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Paul Babeu’s Gay Mexican Ex-Lover Says Sheriff Threatened Him With Deportation

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Far right anti-immigrant Arizona Sheriff Paul Babeu is the latest Republican icon to have his secret life revealed, after he reportedly threatened to have his gay Mexican lover deported: Paul Babeu’s Mexican Ex-Lover Says Sheriff’s Attorney Threatened Him With Deportation.

Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu — who became the face of Arizona border security nationally after he started stridently opposing illegal immigration — threatened his Mexican ex-lover with deportation when the man refused to promise never to disclose their years-long relationship, the former boyfriend and his lawyer tell New Times.

The latest of the alleged threats were made through Babeu’s personal attorney, who’s also running the sheriff’s campaign for Congress in District 4, the ex-lover says.

He says lawyer Chris DeRose demanded he sign an agreement that he would never breathe a word about the affair. But Jose (New Times is withholding his last name because Babeu and his attorney have challenged his legal status) refused.

The 34-year-old from central Mexico charges that the sheriff’s lawyer warned against mentioning the affair with Babeu. DeRose said gossip about Babeu would focus attention on Jose, attention that could result in his deportation, Jose says.

Babeu was co-chair of Mitt Romney’s campaign in Arizona, and they have just announced that he is stepping down, which is no surprise.

The anti-gay Republican Party sure seems to have a lot of closeted gay men in it.

UPDATE at 2/18/12 11:39:52 am

Live video of Sheriff Babeu’s press conference — he just admitted that he’s gay, but says all the other allegations are “false.”

[Event completed, video removed.]

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370 comments

1 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:18:44am

He's going to hold a news conference which will be shown here in about 10 minutes, or an hour and 10 minutes. I can never remember what time it is in Arizona.

2 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:20:15am

The gays in the GOP upper echelons are so afraid of their 'gayness' they bend over backwards to appear the opposite of gay, which looks like being a muddle headed, hateful, religious zealot.

3 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:22:13am

Gay republicans who claim they support 'fiscal conservatism' have to realize they're just acting as beards for the socons.

4 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:22:56am

It's gotten to the point where if they legalized gay marriage nationwide then half of Republican men would divorce their wives and marry their gay lovers overnight.

//

5 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:23:38am

re: #1 wrenchwench

He's going to hold a news conference which will be shown here in about 10 minutes, or an hour and 10 minutes. I can never remember what time it is in Arizona.

Arizona is UTC -7:00

6 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:23:48am

Ta-Nehisi Coates @tanehisi

Babeu probably about to blame alcoholism and announce a stint in "therapy."

7 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:24:27am

Sometimes people fear most that which they see in themselves.

The Republican Party is on the pinnacle of fear-projection and self-loathing.

8 Randall Gross  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:24:47am

What SW state GOP border hawks really want is a continued state where illegal immigrants can be treated like slaves and feudal serfs instead of with equal rights and wages. Babeu's threat vividly illustrates what's behind the mindset.

9 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:25:07am

re: #5 SH1T My Conscience Says

Arizona is UTC -7:00

You mean it's in some Asian timezone?

10 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:25:46am

re: #6 jaunte

Ta-Nehisi Coates @tanehisi

Babeu probably about to blame alcoholism and announce a stint in "therapy."

Next stop is obvious. Church and "finding the Lord."

11 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:26:10am

Is is time for Pinal County jokes yet?
[Link: pinalcountyaz.gov...]

12 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:26:28am

re: #4 Gus

It's gotten to the point where if they legalized gay marriage nationwide then half of Republican men would divorce their wives and marry their gay lovers overnight.

//

Not likely. They're fundamentally opposed to the existence of 'gayness' and hold gays in contempt. That's why they have such a hard time recognizing and/or accepting it in themselves. Others are deathly afraid of the social consequences of coming out in that toxic atmosphere.

13 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:26:51am

Another one? It gets to the point where you're expecting a really anti gay Republican to be in fact gay. Babeu seems typical.

14 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:27:43am

"I have strayed from my path of righteousness. Had it not been for the influence of a secular-progressive society..."

//

15 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:28:59am

re: #10 Gus

Next stop is obvious. Church and "finding the Lord."

...or checking himself into the clinic of a certain ex-GOP candidate's spouse.

16 FreedomMoon  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:29:02am

So...I guess the moral of the story is it's OK to be gay, just as long as you publicly oppose gay rights/marriage? And also, you're given a pass to have a relationship with an undocumented Latino, just as long as you're an outspoken proponent of deporting them and building a huge ass fence? Boy, this is all really so confusing.

17 Big Joe  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:29:05am
18 simoom  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:29:59am

A couple of the sheriff's starring roles from the 2010 campaign:


"... and complete the danged fence!"

19 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:30:30am

re: #18 simoom

A couple of the sheriff's staring roles from the 2010 elections:

[Video]

Ah I thought I recognized him.

20 Lidanghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:30:39am

re: #16 FreedomMoon

The moral of the story is that you can be gay and Republican as long as you don't act out your sexual desires at all and work hard to make yourself and every other gay person a second-class citizen.

Also, confine your secret, shameful gay love to people that you can easily dispose of by deporting them. Or something.

21 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:32:10am

re: #11 jaunte

Is is time for Pinal County jokes yet?
[Link: pinalcountyaz.gov...]

Nice slogan there: 'Wide open opportunity'

It's the closets that are closed.

22 Coracle  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:34:45am

re: #16 FreedomMoon

So...I guess the moral of the story is it's OK to be gay, just as long as you publicly oppose gay rights/marriage? And also, you're given a pass to have a relationship with an undocumented Latino, just as long as you're an outspoken proponent of deporting them? Boy, this is all really so confusing.

There's a certain twisted logic. If it's all driven underground, and you have authority, then you have the best pick of the prettiest and most vulnerable.

I think for some social conservatives hypocrisy is a sexual fetish.

23 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:35:41am

I recall there being a good line about hypocrites and hypocrisy in Wharton's Age of Innocence. Can't seem to remember it now though.

24 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:37:35am

Here we go.

25 simoom  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:37:50am

Wow, seems like the entire dept is coming out.

27 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:38:19am

re: #8 Randall Gross

What SW state GOP border hawks really want is a continued state where illegal immigrants can be treated like slaves and feudal serfs instead of with equal rights and wages. Babeu's threat vividly illustrates what's behind the mindset.

re: #22 Coracle

There's a certain twisted logic. If it's all driven underground, and you have authority, then you have the best pick of the prettiest and most vulnerable.

I think for some social conservatives hypocrisy is a sexual fetish.

Both apply here, I think.

28 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:39:04am

Deny, deny, deny!

29 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:39:25am

Unless the deportation threat was written, he'll just brazen it out.

30 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:39:25am

re: #7 Gus

Sometimes people fear most that which they see in themselves.

The Republican Party is on the pinnacle of fear-projection and self-loathing.

If you look into the psychology of conservatives you'll see the more conservative they are the more likely they'll respond to fear, so the Repubs are taking a proven path.

To my conservative friends - all of us exhibit both conservative and liberal traits so can be placed on the continuum somewhere between extreme conservatism and extreme liberalism and tend to move around that continuum based on events in our personal lives and our social environment. During times of stress, like attack and severe unemployment, most people tend to swing to conservatism looking for a protective umbrella. Responding to fear under those conditions is part of our evolution, and we're all the offspring of a long line of survivors.

Now jumping off the soapbox.

31 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:39:27am

He admitted to being gay. Hmmm.

32 Sionainn  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:39:30am

He admitted that he's gay, but the rest of it is false.

33 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:39:45am

My feed stopped right after he said, "I am gay."

34 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:40:33am

re: #25 simoom

Wow, seems like the entire dept is coming out.

No pun intended?

35 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:41:01am

re: #9 Interesting Times

Now that is funny.

36 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:41:18am

re: #26 blueraven

But, but its the gay hating progressives...

Gay-Hating “Progressives” Out Congressional Candidate Sheriff Paul Babeu …Update: Sheriff Babeu Issues Response to Accusations …Update: Copy of Cease and Desist Order

Of course Gateway Pundit, it's always the progressives fault. Not that Babeu is crooked.

37 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:41:28am

Just added the live feed to this post.

38 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:41:53am

re: #10 Gus

Next stop is obvious. Church and "finding the Lord."

Not many use lard any more, margarine and butter have kind of taken over.

39 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:41:57am

People should not be defined by their orientation or gender...

40 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:42:14am

re: #36 HappyWarrior

Of course Gateway Pundit, it's always the progressives fault. Not that Babeu is crooked.

I love how dim bulbs like Jim Hoft suddenly turn pro-gay in cases like this.

41 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:43:32am

re: #40 Charles Johnson

I love how dim bulbs like Jim Hoft suddenly turn pro-gay in cases like this.

No kidding. It's like uh are you forgetting that the side you advocate for constantly compares gays to pedophiles and beastists, Jim.

42 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:44:18am

re: #36 HappyWarrior

Of course Gateway Pundit Douche, it's always the progressives fault. Not that Babeu is crooked.

The Dumbest Man On The Internet, Jim 'Dim' Hoft.

43 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:44:29am

"there was a personal relationship"

No pronouns were used in making this passive statement.

44 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:44:44am

It seems the problem is that he's crooked more than anything. He could have done this with a woman and it would be the same nasty hypocrisy. But Babeu is also running for Congress and I'm wagering that his campaign hasn't exactly been gay friendly either.

45 The Yankee  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:45:02am

I am now wondering how many gays work for Santorum. A Homosexual working for Mitt is one thing.

46 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:45:11am

re: #42 Kid A

The Dumbest Man On The Internet, Jim 'Dim' Hoft.

A hard title to win but he earns it with his stupid little photoshops of the president and the first lady.

47 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:45:56am

re: #39 Gus

People should not be defined by their orientation or gender...

Agreed. Which is why, although I disagree with him, he's perfectly entitled to support whatever ideas or policies he wants to. He's also free to support ideas that he disagrees with for political purposes. His sexuality is none of my business. It also appears the legal threat was related to his campaign website.

48 blueraven  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:46:09am

re: #40 Charles Johnson

I love how dim bulbs like Jim Hoft suddenly turn pro-gay in cases like this.

They never get it. Who cares if he is gay? It's the rank hypocrisy, once again.

49 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:46:13am

So don't the moronic wingnuts see that deportation allegations aside that given Babeu's position and career in the military that it nullifies their arguments about gays and gays in military?

50 Stanghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:46:30am

Is Babs on record as being anti gay marriage?

51 The Yankee  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:46:49am

So gays make bad soldiers but good cops?

52 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:47:41am

re: #47 Killgore Trout

Agreed. Which is why, although I disagree with him, he's perfectly entitled to support whatever ideas or policies he wants to. He's also free to support ideas that he disagrees with for political purposes. His sexuality is none of my business. It also appears the legal threat was related to his campaign website.

Right. And that was what Babeu actually said, "People should not be defined by their orientation or gender..." Which is a bit paraphrased.

53 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:48:27am

If Babeu feels that way about orientation, why is he helping out Romney who wants to tell gay people they can't marry anywhere?

54 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:48:52am
55 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:49:10am

It's not courageous for him to address this now. It would have been courageous to come out when he was running for sheriff.

56 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:49:15am

re: #49 Gus

Everything in its own compartment!

57 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:49:19am

And they're arguing against DADT right now.

58 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:49:51am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

A hard title to win but he earns it with his stupid little photoshops of the president and the first lady.

Yeah! Remember this gem?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

59 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:50:12am

re: #55 wrenchwench

It's not courageous for him to address this now. It would have been courageous to come out when he was running for sheriff.

Absolutely right. If he hadn't been exposed by someone else, he would have gone to his grave keeping it a secret. Nothing courageous about this at all.

60 simoom  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:51:03am
"We are not judged in America by our gender, race or sexual orientation ..."

The sheriff is aware which party he's running for office in, right?

61 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:51:12am

re: #58 Kid A

Yeah! Remember this gem?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

What a great artist, //

62 Lidanghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:51:13am

re: #50 2012. Birth Control is NOT a political issue.

Is Babs on record as being anti gay marriage?

Looking at his website, he's positioned himself as a "true conservative" and as the new lawman that Washington DC needs. Lots of law and order, anti-immigration stuff and lots on Fast and Furious. It's all very cowboy and tough guy stuff. Oh, and there's at least one anti-Soros bit in the blog section.

Nothing on any other issues that I can find.

63 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:52:00am

So will future Republican Arizona sheriff candidates be able to be out of the closet and run for future office?

64 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:52:02am

re: #61 HappyWarrior

What a great artist, //

Image: dimjim.jpg

65 The Yankee  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:52:20am

re: #57 Gus

And they're arguing against DADT right now.

The problem is that evolution hasn't made Hypocrisy hurt yet. If only there was a pain equal to that of an ice cream headache associated with hypocrisy things might be different.

66 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:52:28am
Romney spokesperson Andrea Saul gave TPM the following statement:
"Sheriff Babeu has stepped down from his volunteer position with the campaign so he can focus on the allegations against him. We support his decision."

If there's nothing to the allegations, then he shouldn't have to step down.

67 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:52:30am

Suddenly it's OK to be gay with these guys... I need a drink.

68 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:53:08am

I just love all these Republicans coming forth and saying Babeu's sexual orientation is irrelevant.

They're right - in reality, it is irrelevant.

But they are the party that has made the relevance of sexual orientation a gigantic national issue. The hypocrisy may cause my head to asplode.

69 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:53:17am

Honestly guys if tomorrow or next week or next month we heard about Santorum being busted with a male prostitute, I wouldn't be shocked at all. The way these guys rant and rave about gays and gay sex just isn't healthy or normal behavior.

70 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:53:20am

re: #67 Gus

It's not OK enough to stay with the Romney campaign.

71 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:53:23am

It's a courageous silly sideshow.

72 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:53:33am

Does this mean it's no longer God, guns, and gays? Does this mean from this day forward it will be God and guns?

73 Lidanghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:53:37am

re: #59 Charles Johnson

Absolutely right. If he hadn't been exposed by someone else, he would have gone to his grave keeping it a secret. Nothing courageous about this at all.

Exactly.

This is a man who would have kept confining his secret affairs to people that he could easily dispose of through deportation or by destroying their careers or whatever. Choose the vulnerable ones that can't fight back. He's a real courageous soul. =P

74 blueraven  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:53:55am

re: #50 2012. Birth Control is NOT a political issue.

Is Babs on record as being anti gay marriage?

Well he has certainly come out against "illegal aliens".
But its OK for him to have a romantic affair with same.

75 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:54:30am

"He has turned heads"

76 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:54:36am

re: #68 Charles Johnson

I just love all these Republicans coming forth and saying Babeu's sexual orientation is irrelevant.

They're right - in reality, it is irrelevant.

But they are the party that has made the relevance of sexual orientation a gigantic national issue. The hypocrisy may cause my head to asplode.

It's what wingers do. Rail against something for years and then when they're caught on it claim the left are the real bigots. They tried this same bullshit back during Mark Foley's scandal.

77 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:54:39am

"I can't work on the Romney campaign anymore, because of this irrelevant sideshow sexual orientation courageousness."

78 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:55:18am

He better get a couple of women to speak-- oh, here's one.

79 Lidanghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:55:38am

re: #67 Gus

Suddenly it's OK to be gay with these guys... I need a drink.

Oh, it's okay to be gay. Just don't have sex with anyone if you're gay, and pray real hard to see if God cures your "problem". And if you fall in love with someone, don't expect to get married. Oh, and who needs any of those pesky civil rights anyway?

80 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:57:41am

Underwear photos are OK if you're not married, and don't lie about it.

81 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:57:51am

re: #79 Lidane

Oh, it's okay to be gay. Just don't have sex with anyone if you're gay, and pray real hard to see if God cures your "problem". And if you fall in love with someone, don't expect to get married. Oh, and who needs any of those pesky civil rights anyway?

Isn't a true open and free market supposed to take care of civil rights?

82 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:57:59am

"Can't we talk about border security?"

83 Lidanghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:58:44am

re: #81 SH1T My Conscience Says

Isn't a true open and free market supposed to take care of civil rights?

Of course. And if that doesn't work, we can just put civil rights up for a vote.

///

84 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:58:58am

HYPOCRITES

85 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:59:31am

I guarantee there are a lot of right wingers in Arizona who will not be supporting Babeu any more. He can say it's "irrelevant" all he wants, but it's very, very relevant to the religious right.

86 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:59:37am

Still running for Congress.

87 simoom  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:59:37am

re: #76 HappyWarrior

It's what wingers do. Rail against something for years and then when they're caught on it claim the left are the real bigots.

Well, I guess we'll soon have evidence as to just how inclusive the GOP base is, in his congressional district.

Some recent polling from his website:
[Link: www.sheriffpaul.com...]

Paul Babeu – 31%
Paul Gosar – 23%
Ron Gould – 19%

88 shutdown  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:59:57am

Being gay is not a crime. So there are no other "allegations"... Only shit he did wrong when strongarming his ex.

89 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:59:58am

re: #85 Charles Johnson

I guarantee there are a lot of right wingers in Arizona who will not be supporting Babeu any more. He can say it's "irrelevant" all he wants, but it's very, very relevant to the religious right.

He's through.

90 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:00:05pm

...as a fiscal conservative.

91 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:00:30pm

There will likely be a federal investigation. It's not over.

92 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:01:17pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

Honestly guys if tomorrow or next week or next month we heard about Santorum being busted with a male prostitute, I wouldn't be shocked at all. The way these guys rant and rave about gays and gay sex just isn't healthy or normal behavior.

Santorum is a male prostitute.

93 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:01:42pm

Google-My-Name to gay man: "You don't deserve 'privilege' of marriage; gay unions don't benefit society."

Your text to link...

Image: 116003082.jpg

94 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:02:51pm

Sheriff Babeu's defense of his being gay is an invalidation of the Republican Party platform with regards to gays. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

95 The Yankee  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:03:23pm

re: #88 Turnabout is Fair Play

Being gay is not a crime. So there are no other "allegations"... Only shit he did wrong when strongarming his ex.

So is the reason he was threatening his Ex because he didn't want his Ex to come out and tell everyone he is Gay.

If so is this a case of Irony, in which one does something to stop thing (x) from happening. But because of their actions thing (x) occurs.

I guess in the end the one thing you can say about this guy is he is not a racist.

96 Lidanghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:03:28pm

re: #94 Gus

Sheriff Babeu's defense of his being gay is an invalidation of the Republican Party platform with regards to gays. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

As usual, IOKIYAR.

97 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:04:03pm

He won't have to live with the threats. Meanwhile his alleged allies will continue to vilify gays and lesbians all across the land. Right. Got it.

98 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:04:47pm

Dana Loesch defends Pat Buchanan against Van Jones and Media Matters, says his First Amendment rights have been violated: Controversial Pat Buchanan Forced Off of MSNBC by Van Jones, Media Matters - Big Journalism.

Meanwhile, you can read Buchanan's latest column whining about being deprived of his "free speech," at Townhall.com, RealClearPolitics.com, HumanEvents.com, Creators Syndicate, etc. etc. etc.

99 Ben Jhazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:04:58pm

"I've had countless women try to marry me."

Lol

100 Coracle  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:05:56pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

Wait, does being fired from a job violate free speech? Holy shit! I have tenure! We all do.

101 Lidanghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:06:00pm

re: #99 They're pants, essentially...

"I've had countless women try to marry me."

Lol

Did he actually say that?

102 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:06:21pm

re: #101 Lidane

Did he actually say that?

Pretty much.

103 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:06:31pm

re: #95 The Yankee

So is the reason he was threatening his Ex because he didn't want his Ex to come out and tell everyone he is Gay.

If so is this a case of Irony, in which one does something to stop thing (x) from happening. But because of their actions thing (x) occurs.

I guess in the end the one thing you can say about this guy is he is not a racist.

It doesn't appear he's anti-gay either.
Phoenix New Times Outs Paul Babeu

Openly gay Tucson state Representative Matt Heinz was one of two Democratic lawmakers who broke ranks with the party in March 2011 and voted to give Babeu $5 million to combat border violence. Other lawmakers opposed the measure, in part, because Babeu's county is at least 70 miles from the U.S.-Mexico border. The measure finally was pared down to $1.7 million and passed by the Legislature.
About a week after Heinz's nod to Babeu, the sheriff spent the night at Heinz's home, text messages that Jose shared with New Times show.

"I'm at Mat Heinz and his boyfriend for dinner & ice cream . . . we are going out to bar and . . . to their house. [Am] staying over," Babeu texted to Jose at 1:04 a.m. last April 2.

Heinz didn't immediately return a phone call seeking confirmation of the sleepover.

It seems his sexuality has been an open secret for a long time.

104 Ben Jhazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:06:46pm

re: #99 They're pants, essentially...

"I've had countless women try to marry me."

Lol

Translation: If I were straight, I would be an awesome straight, manly man.

105 The Yankee  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:06:55pm

re: #99 They're pants, essentially...

"I've had countless women try to marry me."

Lol

They were probably trying to get a green card.

106 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:07:22pm

Reagan!

Drink!

107 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:07:40pm

I'm just shaking my head here. Amazing.

108 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:07:56pm

re: #99 They're pants, essentially...

"I've had countless women try to marry me."

Lol

Reminds me of the zany Irish professor of theater I had when I studied there.
"I've been married seven times, actually it was only once."

109 simoom  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:08:46pm

If I were in the press gaggle I'd ask him some congressional candidate gay rights issues questions. Do you support gay adoption? Full legal rights for partners? Against sexual orientation workplace discrimination?

Particularly with him waxing poetic about how inclusive his party is...

110 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:09:06pm

re: #93 Kid A

Google-My-Name to gay man: "You don't deserve 'privilege' of marriage; gay unions don't benefit society."

Your text to link...

Image: 116003082.jpg

SANTORUM: You’re not entitled “to special treatment under the law…[Marriage is] not a right, it’s something that has existed since the beginning of human history as an institution where men and women come together for the purposes of forming a natural relationship as God made it to be. And for the purposes of having children and continuing that civilization. It is an intrinsic good…And as a result of that, we extend a privilege. We extend certain privileges to people who do that because we want to encourage that behavior. [...]

Time to dissolve all those childless and 25yr+ marriages I guess.

111 Lidanghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:09:28pm

Yeah, right. Mr. Law & Order tough guy didn't know the immigration status of who he was dating? I call bullshit.

112 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:09:29pm

re: #106 Gus

Reagan!

Drink!

Does every goddamn Republican always have to bring up Reagan? I mean damn let the man rest in peace.

113 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:10:35pm

re: #111 Lidane

Yeah, right. Mr. Law & Order tough guy didn't know the immigration status of who he was dating? I call bullshit.

Not just dating, but employing (as a volunteer) to run his website. I guess it's OK if you're not paying him.

114 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:10:38pm

re: #100 Coracle

Wait, does being fired from a job violate free speech? Holy shit! I have tenure! We all do.

Only if you're being fired for what you say.

115 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:10:40pm

That's a "different standard" all right.

116 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:10:44pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

Does every goddamn Republican always have to bring up Reagan? I mean damn let the man rest in peace.

And he just did. A Big Tent! All men are created equal! Reagan! Which includes gays, lesbians and transgendered people right?

[Crickets]

117 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:11:04pm

re: #116 Gus

And he just did. A Big Tent! All men are created equal! Reagan! Which includes gays, lesbians and transgendered people right?

[Crickets]

Lol, no.

118 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:11:10pm

re: #47 Killgore Trout

Agreed. Which is why, although I disagree with him, he's perfectly entitled to support whatever ideas or policies he wants to. He's also free to support ideas that he disagrees with for political purposes. His sexuality is none of my business.

The ideas supported for political purposes in this case are ones of xenophobic scapegoating, with damaging real world consequences for many people. Also, while his sexuality might be no one else's business, his rank hypocrisy is. He supports and seeks the support of a party that openly hates who he is, classifies his sexuality as deviant and inherently sinful and doesn't think people like him should be allowed to marry or serve in the armed forces.

119 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:11:38pm

re: #117 Varek Raith

Lol, no.

But. But. That's what Babeu's saying.

//

120 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:11:44pm

The Republicans' "Big Tent" houses a carnival sideshow every week it seems.

121 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:12:07pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

Does every goddamn Republican always have to bring up Reagan? I mean damn let the man rest in peace.

Thing is, whenever they invoke Reagan, it's always the mythical one that exists as some sort of far-right icon, not the real man who once served as president. Because everything they claim he did or thought, 9 times outta 10, is either a complete falsehood or at best a half-truth.

122 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:12:34pm

It's amazing his head hasn't exploded yet.

123 Lidanghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:12:43pm

re: #113 wrenchwench

Not just dating, but employing (as a volunteer) to run his website. I guess it's OK if you're not paying him.

Even better. A Congressional candidate running on a platform of deporting illegal immigrants and on law and order doesn't check the immigration status of the people he employs? Furthermore, he dates someone who works for him that he likely knows is here illegally.

It's hypocrisy on top of hypocrisy, like a layer cake of fail.

124 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:12:53pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

Does every goddamn Republican always have to bring up Reagan? I mean damn let the man rest in peace.

Only the dead can aspire to be gods.

(Alternate universe)

125 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:13:56pm

Republicans won't let this harm him politically.

/////

126 Egregious Philbin  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:14:19pm

Babeau has always been a fraud. The FACT is he posted semi nude pictures of himself on gay websites. And that is what took Weiner down.

The guy is a disgrace and a hypocrite. And its SO funny watching the tea party types all of a sudden being for gays now....

Hypocrisy....

127 The Yankee  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:14:22pm

re: #121 Targetpractice

Thing is, whenever they invoke Reagan, it's always the mythical one that exists as some sort of far-right icon, not the real man who once served as president. Because everything they claim he did or thought, 9 times outta 10, is either a complete falsehood or at best a half-truth.

That change the name from Reagan to Jesus and the statement would still ring true.

128 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:14:22pm

re: #123 Lidane

Even better. A Congressional candidate running on a platform of deporting illegal immigrants and on law and order doesn't check the immigration status of the people he employs? Furthermore, he dates someone who works for him that he likely knows is here illegally.

It's hypocrisy on top of hypocrisy, like a layer cake of fail.

It seems to be SOP for the anti-immigrant crowd when caught hiring an illegal: "I didn't know he was illegal! He never told me! Only when he came to me, after 12 years of employment, looking for help to immigrate that I fired him!"

129 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:14:34pm

re: #125 jaunte

Republicans won't let this harm him politically.

///

There is always another bus coming.

130 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:14:40pm

20 years in the military means he preceded DADT.

131 Ben Jhazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:15:17pm

re: #123 Lidane

He can't employ illegals now. He's running for office for Pete's sake!

And now I'm hearing about religious freedom...

132 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:15:24pm

re: #127 The Yankee

That change the name from Reagan to Jesus and the statement would still ring true.

Hell, even Jesus wouldn't support half the shit they do. "He who is without sin" and all that jazz.

133 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:15:24pm

Eek. Blah, blah, blah. OK, Babeu. Go to hell.

134 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:16:03pm

re: #121 Targetpractice

Exactly. Sometimes I wonder if these Reagan worshipers know that:

1.) Reagan was the president of a union.
2.) Reagan legalized abortion as Governor of California.
3.) Reagan lowered taxes, then raised them seven (I think) times. Granted, the tax rates fell dramatically, but you know what I mean.
4.) Reagan cut and run from Lebanon, so he was "soft on terrorism."
5.) Reagan favored "amnesty" by signing the Kennedy-sponsored immigration law in 1986.
6.) Reagan saved Social Security.

135 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:16:23pm

He's just painfully trying to avoid the question about gay marriage.

136 simoom  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:16:54pm

He spoke at CPAC 2012. Was GOPAC banned again this year?

137 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:17:10pm

re: #136 simoom

He spoke at CPAC 2012. Was GOPAC banned again this year?

Yep.

138 Egregious Philbin  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:17:22pm

I posted somethings at Gateway last night..they got pulled immediately. Hoft is a pussy.

Paul's sister Lucy has been posting for years about her brother being gay and promiscuous. Serious fraudster hypocrite

139 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:17:31pm

re: #136 simoom

He spoke at CPAC 2012. Was GOPAC banned again this year?

GOProud I think.

140 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:17:35pm

That is precisely "who we are as Americans" Sheriff. People want to discriminate, and that's why the government has to get involved.

141 simoom  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:17:53pm

re: #139 Gus

GOProud I think.

Ah, oops, you're right.

142 The Yankee  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:17:55pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

He's just painfully trying to avoid the question about gay marriage.

When was the last time you heard a Politician use the term "I don't Know". Many of the smartest people I have ever met use that term almost on a daily basis.

143 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:18:10pm

Since it hasn't been mentioned yet, I'll just drop this here to anyone who doesn't remember Sheriff Babeu from McCain's 2008 "danged fence" ad.

144 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:18:49pm

re: #143 goddamnedfrank

Since it hasn't been mentioned yet, I'll just drop this here to anyone who doesn't remember Sheriff Babeu from McCain's 2008 "danged fence" ad.

[Video]

Priceless memories.

145 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:19:34pm

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

The ideas supported for political purposes in this case are ones of xenophobic scapegoating, with damaging real world consequences for many people. Also, while his sexuality might be no one else's business, his rank hypocrisy is. He supports and seeks the support of a party that openly hates who he is, classifies his sexuality as deviant and inherently sinful and doesn't think people like him should be allowed to marry or serve in the armed forces.

I'm not going to tell him which political party he can join. That's his decision.

146 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:19:36pm

re: #134 Kid A

Exactly. Sometimes I wonder if these Reagan worshipers know that:

1.) Reagan was the president of a union.
2.) Reagan legalized abortion as Governor of California.
3.) Reagan lowered taxes, then raised them seven eleven(I think) times. Granted, the tax rates fell dramatically, but you know what I mean.
4.) Reagan cut and run from Lebanon, so he was "soft on terrorism."
5.) Reagan favored "amnesty" by signing the Kennedy-sponsored immigration law in 1986.
6.) Reagan saved Social Security.

Small fix there, but yeah, the man is not the far-right icon they claim him to be. I've dubbed the man they always invoke as said icon "Ronaldus Magnus," this grand Caesar who dragged up American into a golden age with naught but tax cuts and the power of his smile.

147 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:20:17pm

re: #138 Egregious Philbin

I posted somethings at Gateway last night..they got pulled immediately. Hoft is a pussy.

Paul's sister Lucy has been posting for years about her brother being gay and promiscuous. Serious fraudster hypocrite

Doesn't Hoft look like he got his ass kicked on a daily basis in high school?

148 sagehen  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:20:41pm

re: #134 Kid A

Exactly. Sometimes I wonder if these Reagan worshipers know that:

1.) Reagan was the president of a union.
2.) Reagan legalized abortion as Governor of California.
3.) Reagan lowered taxes, then raised them seven (I think) times. Granted, the tax rates fell dramatically, but you know what I mean.
4.) Reagan cut and run from Lebanon, so he was "soft on terrorism."
5.) Reagan favored "amnesty" by signing the Kennedy-sponsored immigration law in 1986.
6.) Reagan saved Social Security.

And he met with our enemies, without preconditions.

149 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:21:02pm

re: #146 Targetpractice

I was close. Thanks for the correction.

150 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:21:18pm

Mah brain hurtz.

151 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:21:54pm

re: #142 The Yankee

When was the last time you heard a Politician use the term "I don't Know". Many of the smartest people I have ever met use that term almost on a daily basis.

I have no idea.

152 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:22:32pm

re: #148 sagehen

And he met with our enemies, without preconditions.

Appeasement! Enabler!! Negotiating with our enemies!! !11ty!!!

153 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:23:46pm

IOKIYAR

154 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:23:51pm

re: #147 Kid A

Doesn't Hoft look like he got his ass kicked on a daily basis in high school?

I got my ass kicked on a daily basis through primary and high school.
My brain still works.

155 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:25:08pm

re: #154 SH1T My Conscience Says

I got my ass kicked on a daily basis through primary and high school.
My brain still works.

Dim's doesn't.

156 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:25:15pm

re: #153 Gus

IOKIYAR

IHANIWTASF. CYPEIFM?

157 The Yankee  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:25:45pm

re: #140 jaunte

That is precisely "who we are as Americans" Sheriff. People want to discriminate, and that's why the government has to get involved.

It is actually pretty natural for people in general not to like others that are different. It takes a lot of leaning to learn to like people who are different. Way more difficult to not like or even hate people different from your self but respecting their rights and tolerating them.
But the way politics are being played in these days are differences are the fuel these people use to feed their campaigns.

158 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:25:47pm

re: #155 Kid A

Dim's doesn't.

He has no excuse.

159 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:25:59pm

re: #156 SH1T My Conscience Says

IHANIWTASF. CYPEIFM?

It's okay if you're a Republican. DTAYQ? Lol.

160 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:26:33pm

re: #158 SH1T My Conscience Says

He has no excuse.

He's a wingnut, that's his excuse.

161 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:26:54pm

re: #159 Kid A

It's okay if you're a Republican. DTAYQ? Lol.

YID,TY.

162 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:27:20pm

re: #161 SH1T My Conscience Says

YID,TY.

YW.

163 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:28:16pm

re: #162 Kid A

YW.

TLTST.

165 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:29:14pm

Yep. Babeu was on Political Cesspool even.

Oh to count the ways...

166 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:30:41pm

Wonder how they'll feel about him now over at Stormfront.

168 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:34:06pm
169 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:35:26pm

Freeper chimes in:

This story is confusing, and I bet some of the allegations about threatened deportation are untrue, but here's all I need to see (actually way more than I need to see) to know this man does not belong in the Republican Party...

170 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:37:20pm

Well. I know the typical RW response. Babeu will no longer be invited to the usual Republican events that's for sure. But the typical one will be a great deal of silence and zero introspection.

171 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:39:44pm

The question is whether he threatened his ex with deportation. I didn't see proof of that in the Phoenix New Times article.

173 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:40:26pm

re: #170 Gus

Well. I know the typical RW response. Babeu will no longer be invited to the usual Republican events that's for sure. But the typical one will be a great deal of silence and zero introspection.

Probably. It also seems the allegations of legal threats aren't quite true. So he was just outed and his political career is probably over. I can't say I feel any joy about that.

174 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:40:33pm
175 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:40:48pm

re: #169 Gus

Freeper chimes in:

Yep, the excommunication begins.

"You have been found guilty of crimes against the doctrine. For this, you are to be cast out. Banished, without possibility for return to the body. You will tread the Cursed Earth for the rest of your days, stripped from our memories and hearts forever. BEGONE!"

176 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:40:49pm

re: #170 Gus

I join with Father Rick Santorum in blaming Satan:

This is not a political war at all. This is not a cultural war. This is a spiritual war. And the Father of Lies has his sights on what you would think the Father of Lies would have his sights on: a good, decent, powerful, influential country - the United States of America. If you were Satan, who would you attack in this day and age.
[Link: www.rightwingwatch.org...]

177 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:40:51pm

re: #169 Gus

Freeper chimes in:

This story is confusing, and I bet some of the allegations about threatened deportation are untrue, but here's all I need to see (actually way more than I need to see) to know this man does not belong in the Republican Party...

RINO!!1

178 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:41:43pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

Probably. It also seems the allegations of legal threats aren't quite true. So he was just outed and his political career is probably over. I can't say I feel any joy about that.

We can all thank the prevailing conservative mentality on gays for that.

179 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:42:23pm

re: #174 Gus

Image: Paul-Babeu-Underwear-Phoenix-New-Times.png

And I thought he was cute until the tribal tats.
//

180 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:43:01pm

re: #171 wrenchwench

The question is whether he threatened his ex with deportation. I didn't see proof of that in the Phoenix New Times article.

If you look at the hoft link there's a legal document pertaining to hacking/cybersquatting. The allegations of deportation for talking to the press are pretty questionable at this point. It looks like a bitter ex-lover situation.

181 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:43:14pm

re: #176 jaunte

I join with Father Rick Santorum in blaming Satan:

This is not a political war at all. This is not a cultural war. This is a spiritual war. And the Father of Lies has his sights on what you would think the Father of Lies would have his sights on: a good, decent, powerful, influential country - the United States of America. If you were Satan, who would you attack in this day and age.
[Link: [Link: www.rightwingwatch.org...]...]

KFC.

182 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:43:19pm

re: #174 Gus

Image: Paul-Babeu-Underwear-Phoenix-New-Times.png

Good grief, what is it with politicians and cock shots?

183 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:43:51pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

Probably. It also seems the allegations of legal threats aren't quite true. So he was just outed and his political career is probably over. I can't say I feel any joy about that.

Why not? Babeu says he's happy. He feels more free now. And he's still running for Congress.

184 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:44:40pm

re: #183 wrenchwench

Why not? Babeu says he's happy. He feels more free now. And he's still running for Congress.

Time for him to change party.

185 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:45:17pm

re: #183 wrenchwench

Why not? Babeu says he's happy. He feels more free now. And he's still running for Congress.

MAybe. It doesn't seem like his sexuality was much of a secret anyways. Maybe it will work out for him.

186 The Yankee  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:45:20pm

re: #179 Kid A

And I thought he was cute until the tribal tats.
//

I think that is more of a reason his political career is over. Image means a lot.

I think Spitzer has a better chance at getting into office again before Weiner.

187 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:46:21pm

Here's what the Phoenix Times says about the deportation threats:

The latest of the alleged threats were made through Babeu's personal attorney, who's also running the sheriff's campaign for Congress in District 4, the ex-lover says.

He says lawyer Chris DeRose demanded he sign an agreement that he would never breathe a word about the affair. But Jose (New Times is withholding his last name because Babeu and his attorney have challenged his legal status) refused.

The 34-year-old from central Mexico charges that the sheriff's lawyer warned against mentioning the affair with Babeu. DeRose said gossip about Babeu would focus attention on Jose, attention that could result in his deportation, Jose says.

Melissa Weiss-Riner, Jose's attorney, confirms her client's account.

She says she spoke directly to the sheriff's lawyer, DeRose, about the Babeu camp's threats that Jose could be deported if he "revealed the relationship." She says DeRose falsely claimed that Jose's visa had expired.

"Jose came to our firm because he felt he was being intimidated, and he was in fear for his life," Weiss-Riner says. "He wanted his legal rights protected."

Is this proof - no, but when a lawyer goes on record with a claim like this, in a high profile case, I think it's pretty likely to be true.

188 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:47:15pm

re: #185 Killgore Trout

MAybe. It doesn't seem like his sexuality was much of a secret anyways. Maybe it will work out for him.

Here's more about him.

Babeu also spoke and was honored at the Federation for American Immigration Reform’s (FAIR) Hold Their Feet to the Fire gathering earlier this year. FAIR is, of course, the noted anti-immigrant “hate group,” which is part of John Tanton’s controversial network. A few weeks ago, he was invited to speak again by FAIR, this time at its national advisory board meeting. During the talk, Babeu ridiculed the Obama administration’s claim that “the border is more secure than ever,” which, as it happens, is the truth.

189 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:47:26pm
Jose shared text messages between him and Babeu with New Times. A September 4, 2011, text from the sheriff reads: "You can never have business after this and you will harm me and many others in the process . . . including yourself & your family."
[Link: www.phoenixnewtimes.com...]

That does sound like a threat.

190 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:48:46pm

re: #185 Killgore Trout

MAybe. It doesn't seem like his sexuality was much of a secret anyways. Maybe it will work out for him.

Yes. He can be the first openly gay Republican from the great state of Arizona.

191 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:49:42pm

Can others look at my Dashboard?

Babeu.

192 freetoken  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:51:42pm

I wonder how many more surprises will be revealed in this election year.

193 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:51:59pm

re: #180 Killgore Trout

If you look at the hoft link there's a legal document pertaining to hacking/cybersquatting. The allegations of deportation for talking to the press are pretty questionable at this point. It looks like a bitter ex-lover situation.

Dim: "The gay-hating left outed Sheriff Paul Babeu tonight.
It’s their favorite sport."

The "gay-hating left", Dim? Gotcha.

194 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:52:10pm
195 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:52:28pm

Babeu has been hanging out with racists and bigots, and fear-mongering about the border for years. I have little sympathy for him. He will now be the victim of bigots. I'm sorry for him there, but I hope it's a learning and growing experience for him.

196 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:52:43pm

re: #189 jaunte

That does sound like a threat.

Absolutely. And when a thuggish threat like that comes from a hard-line anti-immigrant County Sheriff, there's really no doubt what he's saying.

197 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:53:27pm

re: #195 wrenchwench

Babeu has been hanging out with racists and bigots, and fear-mongering about the border for years. I have little sympathy for him. He will now be the victim of bigots. I'm sorry for him there, but I hope it's a learning and growing experience for him.

This.

198 William of Orange  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:54:45pm

Other worrying news:

Canada is muzzling scientists.

Yes, they also have a neocon problem in politics....

199 The Yankee  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:54:49pm

re: #192 freetoken

I wonder how many more surprises will be revealed in this election year.

I don't think that a Republican coming out the closet is really a surprise any more?

200 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:54:59pm

Person Who Will One Day Become Warlord-Ruler Of What Was Once Nebraska Born In Omaha Hospital

BELLEVUE, NE—Shortly after 8 a.m. Tuesday, Landon Matthew Crowley, a 7-pound, 14-ounce baby boy and the future warlord who will rule over the charred remnants of what was once the state of Nebraska, was welcomed into the world at Omaha's Methodist Hospital, sources reported.

Born to Jack and Monica Crowley of Bellevue, NE, the child is reported to be healthy and happy and unaware that he'll one day violently subdue dozens of warring, radiation-scarred factions under a brutal regime of torture and forced fealty the likes of which the Gamma Quadrant wasteland has never seen.

According to Mr. Crowley, both mother and future mass-murdering tyrant are now resting at home and "doing great."

201 erik_t  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:55:38pm

re: #190 Gus

Yes. He can be the first openly gay Republican from the great state of Arizona.

During my time at Arizona State, the mayor of Tempe was an openly gay Republican.

College town caveat goes here.

202 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:56:05pm

re: #188 wrenchwench

Here's more about him.

Don't get me wrong he's a douchebag for other reasons than being gay. He should be drummed out of office for a lot of things but I'm not supportive of efforts to use someone's sexuality as political sabotage no matter who it's against.

203 freetoken  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:56:32pm

re: #199 The Yankee

I don't think that a Republican coming out the closet is really a surprise any more?

Not really.

However, the irony of the xenophobic party favorite like Babeu being in a hidden relationship with a guy he threatens to deport... that belongs in the Onion, not real life.

204 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:57:02pm

re: #192 freetoken

I wonder how many more surprises will be revealed in this election year.

Wishlist:

1. Roger Ailes in a rare moment of sanity, voids Sarah Palin's Fox contract.
2. Rick Santorum comes out of the closet to not only admit that he's a homosexual, but to also admit that the whole Catholic thing is bullshit, and that he's been a non-believer since the nun smacked his hand with a ruler when he was six-years-old.
3. The GOP says "Fuck it" and concedes the election to Obama before the convention, wanting to save itself from the embarrassment of a prime time Ron Paul screed against government, the Fed, and the cuteness of Boston Terrier puppies.

It's a work in progress.

205 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:57:26pm

re: #195 wrenchwench

Babeu has been hanging out with racists and bigots, and fear-mongering about the border for years. I have little sympathy for him. He will now be the victim of bigots. I'm sorry for him there, but I hope it's a learning and growing experience for him.

Yeah, I usually have a hard time feeling bad about guys like Babeu getting outed, but I guess that's a common theme for when collaborators get caught.

206 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:58:02pm

The 'gay' part of the story shouldn't be allowed to overwhelm the official oppression part of the story.

207 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:58:25pm

Wait a minute. Didn't Babeu violate the new Arizona law by not arresting this alleged undocumented lover?

208 engineer cat  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:58:44pm

hablamos con calzon quitados!

209 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 12:59:08pm

re: #202 Killgore Trout

Don't get me wrong he's a douchebag for other reasons than being gay. He should be drummed out of office for a lot of things but I'm not supportive of efforts to use someone's sexuality as political sabotage no matter who it's against.

I'm not either, but I'm even more opposed to people in a position of power using it to intimidate vulnerable people. I don't know whether Babeu guilty of a crime, but he certainly intimidated Jose.

210 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:00:45pm

re: #207 Gus

Wait a minute. Didn't Babeu violate the new Arizona law by not arresting this alleged undocumented lover?

I think SB1070 required him to ask his immigration status.

I don't know whether that's sarc or not.

211 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:00:54pm

bbl

212 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:00:58pm

re: #201 erik_t

During my time at Arizona State, the mayor of Tempe was an openly gay Republican.

College town caveat goes here.

I believe Gabby Giffords' district was represented by Jim Kolbe who is gay. Remember reading about him in an article I read about the AFA and their past of anti gay bullshit.

213 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:01:12pm

re: #210 wrenchwench

I think SB1070 required him to ask his immigration status.

I don't know whether that's sarc or not.

He broke the law! ;)

214 freetoken  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:02:05pm

re: #206 jaunte

The 'gay' part of the story shouldn't be allowed to overwhelm the official oppression part of the story.

Agree. The whole image of "Mr. Walk The Fence" tea party hero simultaneously protecting and then oppressing someone he might throw back over said fence... that is such a story in itself.

215 Stanghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:02:10pm

re: #213 Gus

He broke the law! ;)

What part of illegal do you not understand Sheriff?

216 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:02:51pm

re: #180 Killgore Trout

The allegations of deportation for talking to the press are pretty questionable at this point. It looks like a bitter ex-lover situation.

I don't agree at all. Not only is there a text message in which Babeu makes a pretty explicit threat, Jose's attorney says Babeu's attorney made an explicit threat as well.

I think it's more likely to be true than not. This is a well-established pattern for closeted right wingers - they abuse their positions of power to get what they want and keep their secrets under wraps.

217 freetoken  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:04:20pm

Given Babeu's relationship with the Tofu campaign, I wonder how Santorum will exploit this. There are so many possibilities.

218 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:07:00pm

re: #198 William of Orange

Other worrying news:

Canada is muzzling scientists.

Yes, they also have a neocon problem in politics...

Old and ongoing news. As soon as the Reform/Conservative party gained power they've been controlling the scientists and the press.

219 The Yankee  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:07:42pm

re: #204 Kid A

Wishlist:


2. Rick Santorum comes out of the closet to not only admit that he's a homosexual, but to also admit that the whole Catholic thing is bullshit, and that he's been a non-believer since the nun smacked his hand with a ruler when he was six-years-old.


It's a work in progress.

Is he from a different part of the Catholic Church most of the Catholics I know are nothing like him. JFK never came close to carrying his religion on his sleeve the way this guy does. I thought that he was a born again Baptize with some of the stuff he has said.
I also didn't know that Catholic Church was ok with the religious part of the GOP cause that is the element which the Chick Tracts come from.

220 erik_t  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:07:43pm

re: #217 freetoken

I think the smart play for Frothy Mix is to ignore this entirely. Stay relatively positive - Romney would love nothing more than to engage in a shit-flinging contest.

221 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:08:06pm

OT, but the number of songs on my MP3 has increased 15, to 1070.

About a third of that was Taylor Swift.

222 engineer cat  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:09:14pm

Canada is muzzling scientists

all scientists should be trained to bite

223 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:09:59pm

re: #195 wrenchwench

Babeu has been hanging out with racists and bigots, and fear-mongering about the border for years. I have little sympathy for him. He will now be the victim of bigots. I'm sorry for him there, but I hope it's a learning and growing experience for him.

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Karma's a bitch, ain't it, Sheriff Babeu?

224 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:10:26pm

re: #219 The Yankee

Is he from a different part of the Catholic Church most of the Catholics I know are nothing like him. JFK never came close to carrying his religion on his sleeve the way this guy does. I thought that he was a born again Baptize with some of the stuff he has said.
I also didn't know that Catholic Church was ok with the religious part of the GOP cause that is the element which the Chick Tracts come from.

I assume he comes from a conservative part of the church that opposed Vatican II. The most bizarre thing about the guy is his anti Science and in particular anti evolution stance. People like Santorum are what led me to reject the church I was baptized into at an early age. The guy couldn't be any more of a judgmental jerk.

225 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:12:17pm

I eagerly await to hear comments from 's Republican front runner, Rick Santorum, on today's events.

226 freetoken  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:12:19pm

Speaking of climate change, Big Think website covers the new NOAA videos that came out this week:

NOAA Video Town Hall Series on the Climate Change Challenge

Probably worth the watch, but I didn't have time. Here is the direct link to the NOAA site:

[Link: www.climatewatch.noaa.gov...]

Most likely quite good in parts, but I still maintain that our society has already made its decision and we are now just trying to assuage our collective conscience.

227 The Yankee  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:13:52pm

re: #224 HappyWarrior

I assume he comes from a conservative part of the church that opposed Vatican II. The most bizarre thing about the guy is his anti Science and in particular anti evolution stance. People like Santorum are what led me to reject the church I was baptized into at an early age. The guy couldn't be any more of a judgmental jerk.

He rejects Vatican II you think. If so the only thing I remember about Vatican II is the decision not to hold the Jews responsible for the death of Jesus. This could be a problem in places like Florida.

228 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:14:36pm

I currently have five windows open on Fox News comment threads, and every one of them is packed with the same openly racist comments.

229 Kragarghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:15:03pm

Well, another GOP tough guy turns out to be gay, what are the odds?

230 The Yankee  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:15:24pm

re: #228 Charles Johnson

I currently have five windows open on Fox News comment threads, and every one of them is packed with the same openly racist comments.

Wait just racist stuff no gay bashing?

231 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:15:58pm

re: #229 Kragar

Well, another GOP tough guy turns out to be gay, what are the odds?

Better than ones you'd find in Vegas.

232 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:17:02pm

re: #227 The Yankee

He rejects Vatican II you think. If so the only thing I remember about Vatican II is the decision not to hold the Jews responsible for the death of Jesus. This could be a problem in places like Florida.

There were other things too I believe but yeah Vatican II really ticked off alot of the Anti-Semites in the church. Mel Gibson and his father fit in this category.

233 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:17:27pm

re: #230 The Yankee

Wait just racist stuff no gay bashing?

Not about Babeu - about Whitney Houston.

234 erik_t  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:17:31pm

re: #227 The Yankee

He rejects Vatican II you think. If so the only thing I remember about Vatican II is the decision not to hold the Jews responsible for the death of Jesus. This could be a problem in places like Florida.

I... what? Why do you think he rejects Vatican II? The man is, by all appearances, in full agreement with the Catholic Church on everything, even the especially stupid stuff. You could mix him in with the Conference of Catholic Bishops and not know the difference.

235 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:17:40pm

re: #228 Charles Johnson

I currently have five windows open on Fox News comment threads, and every one of them is packed with the same openly racist comments.

It wouldn't be a Fox News comment thread without openly racist comments.

236 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:18:31pm

re: #230 The Yankee

Wait just racist stuff no gay bashing?

They're not covering Babeu. They do have one on gay marriage:

eslibs 1 minute ago
Liberals are a sad life form. They can't take care of themselves they can't think for themselves and they don't know what to fukk. Hide the farm animals.

237 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:18:49pm

re: #234 erik_t

I... what? Why do you think he rejects Vatican II? The man is, by all appearances, in full agreement with the Catholic Church on everything, even the especially stupid stuff. You could mix him in with the Conference of Catholic Bishops and not know the difference.

Reason why I think this is because the Catholics who reject Vatican II tend to be really, really, emphasize on the really socially conservative. And no he doesn't agree with the Catholic Church on everything. The church believes in evolution while Rick does not.

238 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:19:07pm

re: #5 SH1T My Conscience Says

Arizona is UTC -7:00

Yes, but Arizona is also the only state in the Union that does not use Daylight Savings Time. So in the winter it is in sync with Colorado and the rest of the year it is in sync with California.

239 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:19:29pm

re: #217 freetoken

Given Babeu's relationship with the Tofu campaign, I wonder how Santorum will exploit this. There are so many possibilities.

Tofu?

240 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:19:44pm

re: #239 Dark_Falcon

Tofu?

Romney.

241 engineer cat  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:20:11pm

Babeu

sounds to me like a nice thing to call your girlfriend in french

ma petite babeau

242 The Yankee  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:20:14pm

re: #234 erik_t

I don't HappyWarrior does. I just didn't realize he was Catholic because he doesn't act like any Catholics I know.

243 Kragarghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:20:24pm
244 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:20:35pm

re: #228 Charles Johnson

I currently have five windows open on Fox News comment threads, and every one of them is packed with the same openly racist comments.

Don't do that to yourself, Charles. That much shittiness can't be good for you.

245 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:21:04pm

re: #236 Gus

They're not covering Babeu. They do have one on gay marriage:

More examples:

tbpatriot 0 minutes ago
a deviate is a deviate is a deviate no matter how you try to change the title of it.

barryshoeshine 1 minute ago
Look at that white haired phaggot in that picture. Looks like he has a dill-doe up his phaggot azzh0le.

dr_stefan_phd 1 minute ago
the clay brained democrats and republicans are being led to the slaughterhouse by luciferian globalist ultrarich puppet Barry Obama....just like Media Matters leads sexually confused citizens down the the road of gun control

But don't worry. I'm sure in light of Babeu's comments today that they will ALL soon have a change of heart.

246 erik_t  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:21:16pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

Reason why I think this is because the Catholics who reject Vatican II tend to be really, really, emphasize on the really socially conservative. And no he doesn't agree with the Catholic Church on everything. The church believes in evolution while Rick does not.

The Church considers evolution compatible with Catholic teaching, but takes no position on whether or not it's correct.

247 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:22:32pm

re: #238 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but Arizona is also the only state in the Union that does not use Daylight Savings Time. So in the winter it is in sync with Colorado and the rest of the year it is in sync with California.

Where I live is the only province in Canada that doesn't go DST.

248 Kragarghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:23:01pm

re: #246 erik_t

The Church considers evolution compatible with Catholic teaching, but takes no position on whether or not it's correct.

Its almost like they're letting scientists handle the science.

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT SHIT?
/

249 Lidanghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:23:27pm
250 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:23:28pm

re: #246 erik_t

The Church considers evolution compatible with Catholic teaching, but takes no position on whether or not it's correct.

I believe Catholic schools teach evolution in their science classes. I am just saying. Santorum acts like a man who thinks the Catholic church grew too liberal in the 60's and beyond, and there are people who believe that and at the same time believe themselves to be devout Catholics.

251 erik_t  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:24:02pm

re: #248 Kragar

Its almost like they're letting scientists handle the science.

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT SHIT?
/

Don't give them too much credit. They're just ignoring the problem because they don't want to piss off either the pro- or anti-science factions, both of which are well represented in the RCC.

252 Kragarghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:24:06pm

re: #249 Lidane

Santorum is campaigning for Obama now?
/

253 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:24:10pm

re: #249 Lidane

"Not based on the Bible"? Good enough for me.

254 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:24:13pm

re: #243 Kragar

You know, sometimes I really like Alec Baldwin...

Alec Baldwin: Andrew Breitbart 'A Festering Boil on the Anus of Public Discourse'

Baldwin can be a prick but I like the guy. Can laugh at himself. More than you can say about Sean Penn.

255 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:24:14pm

For kicks, I went over to Breitfart's Twitter page to see if maybe he chirped about Babeu. Nothing there, but holy shit, does that unshaven fat drunk freak get a ton of worthy abuse. It's fun to look at it in a car-wreck kind of a way.

256 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:24:33pm

re: #246 erik_t

The Church considers evolution compatible with Catholic teaching, but takes no position on whether or not it's correct.

It teaches it in all its schools and universities--has for a hundred years or so. My seminary bio teacher was a Franciscan priest who went fanboy for Watson and Crick.

257 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:24:40pm

re: #243 Kragar

You know, sometimes I really like Alec Baldwin...

Alec Baldwin: Andrew Breitbart 'A Festering Boil on the Anus of Public Discourse'

He's right this time, but I cannot forget the time he said that Americans should "go down to [the late Illinois Congressman] Henry Hyde's house and STONE HIM TO DEATH!". But I have put that outburst mostly in the past, since Alec Baldwin hasn't had a massively wrong outburst since his daughter record one of his outbursts at her and posted it online. I think this is the first "Alec Baldwin Outburst" since then, and it is indeed on target.

258 engineer cat  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:25:26pm

He rejects Vatican II

Vote Santorum and Let America Again Be a Place where Any Citizen has the Right to Dispute Pernicious Innovations in Catholic Theology!

enough of obama and his obsequious bowing to john xxiii!

259 Kragarghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:25:30pm

re: #251 erik_t

Don't give them too much credit. They're just ignoring the problem because they don't want to piss off either the pro- or anti-science factions, both of which are well represented in the RCC.

The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.
- Thomas Aquinas

260 erik_t  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:26:29pm

re: #256 Decatur Deb

It teaches it in all its schools and universities--has for a hundred years or so. My seminary bio was a Franciscan priest who went fanboy for Watson and Crick.

Sure, but that's subtly different from being an official stance of the religious hierarchy as a whole.

261 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:26:43pm

re: #248 Kragar

Its almost like they're letting scientists handle the science.

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT SHIT?
/

The scientific method started with church scientists and was formalized by an angry, calculus waving alchemist.

262 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:27:03pm

re: #254 HappyWarrior

Baldwin can be a prick but I like the guy. Can laugh at himself. More than you can say about Sean Penn.

Have you seen the trailer for 'Rock of Ages' that Baldwin is going to star in this June? I can not wait.

263 The Yankee  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:28:15pm

re: #254 HappyWarrior

Baldwin can be a prick but I like the guy. Can laugh at himself. More than you can say about Sean Penn.

I think sean penn is actually crazy

264 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:28:27pm

re: #249 Lidane

Santorum says Obama agenda based on "some phony theology" that's not "based on the Bible" thkpr.gs/wbou0Z #keep it classy
— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) February 18, 2012

As opposed to his phony theology?

265 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:28:29pm

re: #243 Kragar

You know, sometimes I really like Alec Baldwin...

Alec Baldwin: Andrew Breitbart 'A Festering Boil on the Anus of Public Discourse'

And even on a thread about a white heterosexual male, the racists at Fox Nation feel the need to spew their bigotry:

bigjay Just now in reply to willie281
moochelle farts more intelligent things than this loser says.

"moochelle" is an insult aimed at Michelle Obama, one sometimes also seen on the Stalker Blog.

266 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:28:47pm

re: #260 erik_t

Sure, but that's subtly different from being an official stance of the religious hierarchy as a whole.

True--if you tell a priest/professor you're YEC, he won't think you're a heretic. He'll think you're an idiot.

267 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:29:44pm

re: #256 Decatur Deb

It teaches it in all its schools and universities--has for a hundred years or so. My seminary bio was a Franciscan priest who went fanboy for Watson and Crick.

Was he a fan of Panspermia?

268 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:31:08pm

re: #249 Lidane

Rick Santorum, self-made inquisitor. Who died and made him the giant head and master of all things religious?

269 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:31:32pm

re: #263 The Yankee

I think sean penn is actually crazy

He got pissed at Trey Parker and Matt Stone for Team America. Alec and Matt Damon and George Clooney? Wanted to play themselves.

270 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:31:32pm

re: #259 Kragar

The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.
- Thomas Aquinas

Aquinas was an incredibly clear thinker.
(so I've been told by a philosopher)
(personally I can't understand my own phil papers from 30yr ago)

271 Kragarghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:31:53pm

re: #268 Gus

Rick Santorum, self-made inquisitor. Who died and made him the giant head and master of all things religious?

Who do you want fighting Satan for America?
/

272 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:32:14pm

re: #271 Kragar

Who do you want fighting Satan for America?
/

Ron Paul.

273 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:32:32pm

re: #268 Gus

Rick Santorum, self-made inquisitor. Who died and made him the giant head and master of all things religious?

Torquemada?

/

274 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:32:42pm

re: #271 Kragar

Who do you want fighting Satan for America?
/

Guns, God, and gays. No wait. That changed today.

//

275 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:33:24pm

re: #271 Kragar

Who do you want fighting Satan for America?
/

Bruce Campbell.

276 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:33:38pm

re: #273 Targetpractice

Torquemada?

/

Wouldn't work. Torquemada wasn't a hypocrite, so he would never lasted 12 years in the US Senate.

277 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:33:45pm

re: #267 SH1T My Conscience Says

Was he a fan of Panspermia?

Wasn't an issue (1950s), but it would have been a stretch of his theology to move Adam to another planet. The nuns were already teaching that ET life would have no effect on RC theology--they would have their own redemptive history, if any.

278 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:34:55pm

re: #271 Kragar

Who do you want fighting Satan for America?
/

Crazy Pam?
//

279 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:35:37pm

re: #249 Lidane

Santorum says Obama agenda based on "some phony theology" that's not "based on the Bible" thkpr.gs/wbou0Z #keep it classy

— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) February 18, 2012

A public service announcement from Johnny Cash for all those Bible-thumping hypocrites and heartless theocrats whose stock in trade is hate, fear, superstition, and conflict:

280 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:35:45pm

re: #272 HappyWarrior

Ron Paul.

Motley Crue. "Shout at the devil!!!"

281 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:35:51pm

re: #278 Kid A

Crazy Pam?
//

She can't, she's already fighting for Satan.
They have a contract I think.

282 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:36:25pm

re: #274 Gus

Guns, God, and gays. No wait. That changed today.

//

Good things, all three of those things. God being the highest good, but guns and gays are also quite good things as well. That ain't how the Fundies mean that phrase, but I like to use a different interpretation of a adversary's catchphrase to trip them up and undermine them.

283 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:36:40pm

re: #281 SH1T My Conscience Says

She can't, she's already fighting for Satan.
They have a contract I think.

Yeah, I think she could get sued for breach.

284 Lidanghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:36:44pm

re: #269 HappyWarrior

He got pissed at Trey Parker and Matt Stone for Team America. Alec and Matt Damon and George Clooney? Wanted to play themselves.

George Clooney was on South Park before:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

285 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:36:49pm

re: #281 SH1T My Conscience Says

She can't, she's already fighting for Satan.
They have a contract I think.

One soul, in exchange for being immune to alcohol poisoning.

//

286 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:36:52pm

re: #164 Gus

AZ Sheriff Babeu appears on a white nationalist program, invites listeners to join his "posse"

I'm not going to tell him which Klan cell he can join. That's his decision. /

287 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:36:59pm

re: #279 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

A public service announcement from Johnny Cash for all those Bible-thumping hypocrites and heartless theocrats whose stock in trade is hate, fear, superstition, and conflict:

[Video]

Well chosen, oh so very well chosen!

288 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:38:21pm

Johnny Cash - Hurt.

289 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:38:31pm

re: #284 Lidane

George Clooney was on South Park before:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

He also played Doctor Doctor in the movie.

290 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:39:09pm

re: #288 SH1T My Conscience Says

Johnny Cash - Hurt.

[Video]

Beautiful song by a great artist. Love Reznor form NIN's comment after Johnny released this.

291 sagehen  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:40:23pm

re: #234 erik_t

I... what? Why do you think he rejects Vatican II? The man is, by all appearances, in full agreement with the Catholic Church on everything, even the especially stupid stuff. You could mix him in with the Conference of Catholic Bishops and not know the difference.

Bullshit.

He's in full agreement with the church on everything to do with sex, but in direct opposition to their positions on torture, pre-emptive war, immigration, minimum wage, universal health care....

292 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:40:33pm

10 bucks says Babeu parties like a maniac tonight.

293 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:40:55pm

re: #290 HappyWarrior

Beautiful song by a great artist. Love Reznor form NIN's comment after Johnny released this.

I'm a fan of NIN, but Johnny did a great job of this and made it his.

294 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:41:42pm

re: #292 Gus

10 bucks says Babeu parties like a maniac tonight.

Bottoms up!!!

*COUGH!! COUGH!! COUGH!!*

295 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:41:52pm

I'm free baby! Free! Yeah. Live it.

296 Kragarghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:42:34pm

re: #288 SH1T My Conscience Says

Johnny Cash - Hurt.

[Video]

297 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:42:43pm

On Monday 4 deputies will come out.

298 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:43:39pm

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

I agree with you here, except with one little thing.

The mental image of what he said is disgusting.

299 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:43:51pm

re: #202 Killgore Trout

Don't get me wrong he's a douchebag for other reasons than being gay. He should be drummed out of office for a lot of things but I'm not supportive of efforts to use someone's sexuality as political sabotage no matter who it's against.

It's totally OK to out gays who take openly homophobic stances.

In this case it's other alleged misdeeds that got him outed, so I'm OK with this. Outing him just for the sake of outing wouldn't be proper, IMHO.

300 erik_t  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:44:36pm

re: #291 sagehen

Bullshit.

He's in full agreement with the church on everything to do with sex, but in direct opposition to their positions on torture, pre-emptive war, immigration, minimum wage, universal health care...

You're quite right. I long ago stopped thinking about the Catholic Church's position on such things, as they sure don't seem to give much of a shit about raising hell over them.

What I meant was that Santorum was on the far edge of regular mainstream Catholicism, not a part of some sort of splinter sect like SSPX.

301 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:44:40pm

re: #295 Gus

I'm free baby! Free! Yeah. Live it.

Live it, learn it, love it!

Como estas, Gus?!

302 Lidanghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:44:43pm

Today’s Worst Person in the World

And no, it's not Paul Babeu.

303 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:44:50pm

Trevor Phillips stands by 'ridiculous' Sharia comparison

“You can’t say because we decide we’re different then we need a different set of laws,” he said, in comments reported by The Tablet, the Catholic newspaper.

“To me there’s nothing different in principle with a Catholic adoption agency, or indeed Methodist adoption agency, saying the rules in our community are different and therefore the law shouldn’t apply to us.

Why not then say sharia can be applied to different parts of the country? It doesn’t work.

The comparison needs to be made more often, IMHO.

304 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:45:39pm

re: #301 Klaatu barata nikto

Live it, learn it, love it!

Como estas, Gus?!

OK. Getting over some "stomach" flu thing that had me horizontal almost all day yesterday. It still sounds like a thunderstorm down there sometimes. Youz?

305 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:46:29pm

re: #302 Lidane

Today’s Worst Person in the World

And no, it's not Paul Babeu.

The chairman of my alma mater's economics department. "teaching" kids "freedom" one step at a time. You would think a true libertarian would be up in arms about this but Cowen doesn't give a shit.

306 Kragarghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:46:41pm

re: #302 Lidane

Today’s Worst Person in the World

And no, it's not Paul Babeu.

ASSHOLE!

307 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:47:16pm

re: #298 ProGunLiberal

I agree with you here, except with one little thing.

The mental image of what he said is disgusting.

Agreed, but what Andrew Breitbart does is disgusting as well. So perhaps the metaphor can perhaps be justified on those grounds.

308 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:47:45pm

Put on some techno-dance music for the good sheriff.

Image: Paul-Babeu-Underwear-Phoenix-New-Times.png

//

309 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:47:54pm

re: #300 erik_t

You're quite right. I long ago stopped thinking about the Catholic Church's position on such things, as they sure don't seem to give much of a shit about raising hell over them.

What I meant was that Santorum was on the far edge of regular mainstream Catholicism, not a part of some sort of splinter sect like SSPX.

He dances with Opus Dei, recognizing OD is not the Dan Brown BS, but a very hardcore bunch of Pontiff-oriented fascists (phalangists, for accuracy).

310 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:48:29pm

"It's Raining Men" -- remix, extended version.

311 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:48:34pm

re: #309 Decatur Deb

He dances with Opus Dei, recognizing OD is not the Dan Brown BS, but a very hardcore bunch of Pontiff-oriented fascists (phalangists, for accuracy).

Ah is he confirmed Opus Dei?

312 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:48:38pm

re: #308 Gus

Put on some techno-dance music for the good sheriff.

Image: Paul-Babeu-Underwear-Phoenix-New-Times.png

//

Image: imgres.jpg

313 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:48:39pm

Get a load of this comment from our pal "axmax83" on Fox News -- he still has not been banned despite many openly racist comments.

Actually, they didn't. There was no "country", there were no "borders". There were merely different tribes most of which were busy kiIIing each other over hunting/fishing or just plain us-them disputes. The "white man" was just another "tribe" added to the mix, only a tribe that was superior in morality, culture, and technology . That superiority was acknowledged by the indians and they tried to incorporate as much of it as they could into their culture, which wasn't very successful. They could get their hands on guns, but they had no written language or knowledge to make their own. Hunter gatherers do not need written languages and the time necessary to educate a person is time when they aren't supporting the tribe but hunting and gathering. Their culture did not see the value in any knowledge beyond what was needed for basic survival. This is the mark of a primitive people.

The situation today is not the same at all. An advanced people- the American nation of the mid last century is being overrun and debased by primitive peoples. We are not bringing them up to our level of civilization we are bringing ourselves down to their level.

314 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:49:11pm

re: #304 Gus

OK. Getting over some "stomach" flu thing that had me horizontal almost all day yesterday. It still sounds like a thunderstorm down there sometimes. Youz?

We're good! Sorry to hear about your stomach thing. I liked that you were Totalitarian Progressive the other day.

315 Ben Jhazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:49:23pm

re: #308 Gus

Put on some techno-dance music for the good sheriff.

Image: Paul-Babeu-Underwear-Phoenix-New-Times.png

//

Ummm...you sure do like posting that picture a lot, Gus.

316 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:49:57pm

re: #304 Gus

OK. Getting over some "stomach" flu thing that had me horizontal almost all day yesterday. It still sounds like a thunderstorm down there sometimes. Youz?

If that is the case make sure you point that thing away from us, K?

317 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:50:23pm

re: #310 Gus

"It's Raining Men" -- remix, extended version.

318 engineer cat  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:51:23pm

a tribe that was superior in morality, culture, and technology

what wonderfully superior morality we brought to these shores

////

319 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:51:33pm

re: #311 HappyWarrior

Ah is he confirmed Opus Dei?

No, but his parish is run by them and some of his kids go to their school. Check me on this, I don't have time to dig it up again. (Going to a pre-Mardi Gras shindig at my wife's RC church-hall. Very good local blues band, no booze.)

320 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:51:53pm

re: #317 Klaatu barada nikto

[Video]

Fitting! ;)

321 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:52:06pm

re: #313 Charles Johnson

Get a load of this comment from our pal "axmax83" on Fox News -- he still has not been banned despite many openly racist comments.

That comment is disgusting.

The "white man" was just another "tribe" added to the mix, only a tribe that was superior in morality, culture, and technology .

This especially.

322 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:52:27pm

re: #314 Klaatu barada nikto

We're good! Sorry to hear about your stomach thing. I liked that you were Totalitarian Progressive the other day.

You can thank Dorkus for Gus using that title. He called Gus that about a year ago (along with "Peronist Progressive") and ever since Gus has at times sarcastically described himself with those titles to give Dorkus a much-deserved backhand.

323 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:52:56pm

re: #319 Decatur Deb

No, but his parish is run by them and some of his kids go to their school. Check me on this, I don't have time to dig it up again. (Going to a pre-Mardi Gras shindig at my wife's RC church-hall. Very good local blues band, no booze.)

Ah ok. Doesn't appear to be so but it wouldn't shock me.

324 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:52:58pm

re: #313 Charles Johnson

Get a load of this comment from our pal "axmax83" on Fox News -- he still has not been banned despite many openly racist comments.

Sounds like something straight out of Stormfront.

325 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:53:35pm

re: #322 Dark_Falcon

You can thank Dorkus for Gus using that title. He called Gus that about a year ago (along with "Peronist Progressive") and ever since Gus has at times sarcastically described himself with those titles to give Dorkus a much-deserved backhand.

Peronist Progressive is pretty good too. How you doing, DF?

326 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:53:41pm

re: #321 Klaatu barada nikto

That comment is disgusting.

This especially.

Or American Renaissance like our "friend" Dabney.

327 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:53:45pm

re: #322 Dark_Falcon

You can thank Dorkus for Gus using that title. He called Gus that about a year ago (along with "Peronist Progressive") and ever since Gus has at times sarcastically described himself with those titles to give Dorkus a much-deserved backhand.

Since when did the beer you like become a symbol of political affiliation?
//

328 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:54:43pm

re: #305 HappyWarrior

The chairman of my alma mater's economics department. "teaching" kids "freedom" one step at a time. You would think a true libertarian would be up in arms about this but Cowen doesn't give a shit.

There's no true libertarians that I've seen, just those who adopt the title as an excuse for screeching "I've got mine, so screw you!" Even Luap Nor isn't a true libertarian, he's all for government legislating morality, he just thinks it should be the states doing it and not the feds.

329 Kragarghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:55:12pm

re: #317 Klaatu barada nikto

[Video]

330 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:55:40pm

re: #328 Targetpractice

There's no true libertarians that I've seen, just those who adopt the title as an excuse for screeching "I've got mine, so screw you!" Even Luap Nor isn't a true libertarian, he's all for government legislating morality, he just thinks it should be the states doing it and not the feds.

Another example of "limited government" at work.
//

331 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:56:38pm

re: #327 Pam Geller is a holla back girl

Since when did the beer you like become a symbol of political affiliation?
//

Since it was decided drinking wine wasn't enough to make you elitist!

332 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:56:54pm

He really did mention Reagan.

333 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:57:07pm

re: #328 Targetpractice

There's no true libertarians that I've seen, just those who adopt the title as an excuse for screeching "I've got mine, so screw you!" Even Luap Nor isn't a true libertarian, he's all for government legislating morality, he just thinks it should be the states doing it and not the feds.

Luap Nor's never been a true libertarian. But yeah Tyler Cowen is GMU's economics department chair. For those of you who don't know. The Koch Bros fund the economics department there. And yeah I am skeptical of most "libertarians" especially after seeing one from the same economics department try to use religious arguments with me to explain why gay marriage is a violation of church and state.

334 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:57:42pm

re: #330 Pam Geller is a holla back girl

Another example of "limited government" at work.
//

Remove government from corporate board rooms and put it where it belongs, everyone else's bedroom.

335 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:58:47pm

re: #333 HappyWarrior

Luap Nor's never been a true libertarian. But yeah Tyler Cowen is GMU's economics department chair. For those of you who don't know. The Koch Bros fund the economics department there.

A grand example of what folks will get if they "privatize" schools.

336 Kragarghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:58:52pm

re: #333 HappyWarrior

Best Ron Paul description I've seen:

Ron Paul is like insecticide, 98% is inert and harmless, but that last 2% is toxic.

337 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:59:39pm

re: #321 Klaatu barada nikto

That comment is disgusting.

This especially.

It also entirely fails to describe the Aztecs (Tenochtitlan was a very large city for its day, and the Aztecs had an organized government and known borders), the Incas (same aspects of civilization, but the Incas were even richer and had developed copper-working as well) and the Mississippi Valley (which was not a large empire, but had a number of city-states, rather like Greece or Italy before Rome began its rise). That comment therefore voids any point it attempts to make with its historical illiteracy.

338 Ben Jhazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:59:49pm

re: #336 Kragar

Best Ron Paul description I've seen:

Ron Paul is like insecticide, 98% is inert and harmless, but that last 2% is toxic.

Are you quoting Dave Mustaine?

339 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:00:09pm

re: #336 Kragar

Best Ron Paul description I've seen:

Ron Paul is like insecticide, 98% is inert and harmless, but that last 2% is toxic.

Haha. I remember in the Bush years seeing some lefties like him because they only heard the anti drug war, war, "freedom", etc rhetoric but I knew the guy was an Austrian schooler on economics so I am happy to say I disliked Ron Paul before it was the cool thing to do. And his supporters are the most annoying political supporters ever. Their guy can do no wrong ever.

340 Amory Blaine  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:00:19pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

Does every goddamn Republican always have to bring up Reagan? I mean damn let the man rest in peace.

I hope they use it repeatedly until the name is relegated to irrelevance.

341 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:00:56pm

re: #323 HappyWarrior

Ah ok. Doesn't appear to be so but it wouldn't shock me.

Here's a bunch of returns, most needing checks themselves. If I go partying in different-colored socks it's your fault.

[Link: www.google.com...]

342 Kragarghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:01:23pm

re: #338 They're pants, essentially...

Are you quoting Dave Mustaine?

No, Dave was quoting someone else.

343 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:01:36pm

re: #327 Pam Geller is a holla back girl

Since when did the beer you like become a symbol of political affiliation?
//

"Peronist" refers Juan Peron, a semi-fascist Argentinian political figure who twice served as that nation's president.

344 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:02:06pm

re: #315 They're pants, essentially...

Ummm...you sure do like posting that picture a lot, Gus.

No I don't!

345 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:02:09pm

re: #339 HappyWarrior

Haha. I remember in the Bush years seeing some lefties like him because they only heard the anti drug war, war, "freedom", etc rhetoric but I knew the guy was an Austrian schooler on economics so I am happy to say I disliked Ron Paul before it was the cool thing to do. And his supporters are the most annoying political supporters ever. Their guy can do no wrong ever.

Ron Paul = burgeoning cult of personality.

346 Ben Jhazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:02:12pm

re: #342 Kragar

No, Dave was quoting someone else.

Okay.

Carry on.

347 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:02:55pm

re: #343 Dark_Falcon

"Peronist" refers Juan Peron, a semi-fascist Argentinian political figure who twice served as that nation's president.

He and the Mrs also worth noting huge Nazi sympathizers. The old Colonel helped Eichmann hide. Putting a shameless plug in for a book here but Hunting Eichmann was a great read. I loved reading about the Mossad hunting him down.

348 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:03:21pm

re: #325 Klaatu barada nikto

Peronist Progressive is pretty good too. How you doing, DF?

Often tired, but I get by. February is a hard month for me, always has been.

349 Aye Pod  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:03:32pm

re: #317 Klaatu barada nikto

[Video]

That looks like a really interesting movie - kinda like the follow-up to Derek Jarman's 'Sebastian' :-)

350 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:03:39pm

Gus802 is posting homophobic pictures of the sheriff.

Derp.

Hurr, hurr.

351 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:03:53pm

re: #345 SH1T My Conscience Says

Ron Paul = burgeoning cult of personality.

I still maintain and continue doing so until shown otherwise that much of Paul's "support" boils down to the idea that he'll legalize pot. The stoners apparently are too baked to understand that "nullifying federal drug laws /= legalizing pot."

352 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:04:06pm

re: #343 Dark_Falcon

"Peronist" refers Juan Peron, a semi-fascist Argentinian political figure who twice served as that nation's president.

I think everyone knows that.

It was a joke. It was a rather contrived* joke, but a joke none the less.

*NTTIAWWT

353 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:04:45pm

re: #347 HappyWarrior

He and the Mrs also worth noting huge Nazi sympathizers. The old Colonel helped Eichmann hide. Putting a shameless plug in for a book here but Hunting Eichmann was a great read. I loved reading about the Mossad hunting him down.

Nothing wrong with a plug like that. It is indeed a great story.

354 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:04:55pm

re: #275 Targetpractice

Bruce Campbell.

Hail to the king, baby...

355 Lidanghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:05:33pm

ZOMG! Outrage!

356 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:05:51pm

Oh look a real moron Tweet:

Paul Babeu threatening to deport annoying gay people (which he didn't) might make me more likely to support his campaign!

357 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:05:56pm

re: #344 Gus

No I don't!

Yes you do. Try something else, Babeu actually talking.

358 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:06:16pm

re: #351 Targetpractice

I still maintain and continue doing so until shown otherwise that much of Paul's "support" boils down to the idea that he'll legalize pot. The stoners apparently are too baked to understand that "nullifying federal drug laws /= legalizing pot."

You know hypothetically he'd be just fine with states sentencing drug users to life in prison as long as it was the state. He feels the same way about anti sodomy laws. How Ron Paul became the icon of revolutionary freedom, I'll never know. The guy is a reactionary more than anything. There are some libertarian ideas I agree with I'll concede but if you're a libertarian, you don't want a bigot like Ron Paul carrying your mantle or maybe you do if you're like some of them. I think many of his young supporters are just misinformed kids though.

359 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:06:23pm

re: #351 Targetpractice

I still maintain and continue doing so until shown otherwise that much of Paul's "support" boils down to the idea that he'll legalize pot. The stoners apparently are too baked to understand that "nullifying federal drug laws /= legalizing pot."

That , and his isolationsist stances

360 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:06:48pm

re: #312 Pam Geller is a holla back girl

Image: imgres.jpg

Sounds like Babeu needs to go to the Blue Oyster from Police Academy...

361 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:08:14pm

re: #360 talon_262

Sounds like Babeu needs to go to the Blue Oyster from Police Academy...

362 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:11:58pm

re: #358 HappyWarrior

You know hypothetically he'd be just fine with states sentencing drug users to life in prison as long as it was the state. He feels the same way about anti sodomy laws. How Ron Paul became the icon of revolutionary freedom, I'll never know. The guy is a reactionary more than anything. There are some libertarian ideas I agree with I'll concede but if you're a libertarian, you don't want a bigot like Ron Paul carrying your mantle or maybe you do if you're like some of them. I think many of his young supporters are just misinformed kids though.

I think that's largely what it is, young kids who take him at his word and don't really have idea one what he's really preaching. He's the catnip for the new generation of hippies, legions of idiots who've no idea that he's not leading them to the promised land, he's just stringing them along until he gets into power.

Not that it really matters, since his winning the presidency wouldn't change the fact that Congress will still be there and anything he wants has to go through them. If he thinks that a Democratic Congress, which would be the most likely turnout from a Ron Paul nomination, would go along with any of the shit he proposed, then he's every bit as crazy as he sounds.

363 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:12:05pm

re: #350 Gus

My favorite recent bit from those trolls was when Charles called out Fox for allowing its commentators to spew hate at Whitney Houston's daughter. Dorkus put up a post accusing Killgore and Hoops of planting most of the racist comments, but then followed up with this:

UPDATE:
We have no evidence that Charles Johnson or any of his minions have planted offensive comments at Fox News. With the exceptions of the LGF-sponsored astroturfing of Amazon and Wikipedia, and Killgore’s racist comments posted at Hot Air, the accusations above are speculation and conjecture, until proven otherwise with verifiable documentation.
The Boiler Room Crew

Translation: We knew our post was full of shit when we put it up! DERP!!

364 Lidanghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:12:17pm

re: #351 Targetpractice

I still maintain and continue doing so until shown otherwise that much of Paul's "support" boils down to the idea that he'll legalize pot. The stoners apparently are too baked to understand that "nullifying federal drug laws /= legalizing pot."

That and a lot of them are still in the Cartman stage:

365 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:14:11pm

re: #355 Lidane

ZOMG! Outrage!

Well, at least the comment thread is properly policed.

366 Lidanghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:22:05pm

re: #365 Dark_Falcon

Well, at least the comment thread is properly policed.

It's still full of morons though. Some of them are attacking Michelle Obama for skiing in Colorado instead of closer to the White House. WTF.

367 Lidanghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:23:35pm

re: #354 talon_262

Hail to the king, baby...

Yeah, the REAL king, not that sexist pig Duke Nukem.

368 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:23:48pm

re: #366 Lidane

It's still full of morons though. Some of them are attacking Michelle Obama for skiing in Colorado instead of closer to the White House. WTF.

Agreed. But when you've just been looking at racist sewage, ordinary DERP is clean by comparison.

369 Lidanghazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 2:32:59pm

A moron says what?

370 Tigger2005  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 4:43:05pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

Dana Loesch defends Pat Buchanan against Van Jones and Media Matters, says his First Amendment rights have been violated: Controversial Pat Buchanan Forced Off of MSNBC by Van Jones, Media Matters - Big Journalism.

Meanwhile, you can read Buchanan's latest column whining about being deprived of his "free speech," at Townhall.com, RealClearPolitics.com, HumanEvents.com, Creators Syndicate, etc. etc. etc.

When will people understand...Pat can say anything he wants. Nobody else is obligated to put it on the air or even print it.


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