CNN’s Dana Loesch Defends Pat Buchanan Against Evil Liberal Censorship

“Fascist squeaky wheels”
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Here we see CNN contributor and Andrew Breitbart editor Dana Loesch defending recently-fired MSNBC contributor Pat Buchanan, saying that Buchanan’s First Amendment rights have been violated by a “progressive” conspiracy to silence “diversity of thought:” Controversial Pat Buchanan Forced Off of MSNBC by Van Jones, Media Matters - Big Journalism.

“Diversity of thought” is a rather ironic phrase to apply to Pat Buchanan, a man who is viciously opposed to diversity in any other form. And “controversial” is an oddly watered down word to apply to someone who has a history of associating with open white supremacists. But on with Loesch’s apology for Pat:

Regardless what you think of Pat Buchanan’s controversial and questionable views, it’s troublesome when the First Amendment is abridged by small, partisan groups who’ve made it their mission to streamline diversity of thought to less voices, not more. Buchanan announced last night that he was forced off air by Van Jones’s Color of Change and the under-fire Media Matters …

That’s the difference between conservatives and progressives: conservatives want the diversity of voices, even if they disagree with the thought or if the thought is offensively over-the-top sensational. They’re eager to debate it out in the open and prove it wrong. They desire nothing more than to win converts by proving how illogical or immoral the opposite viewpoint is while using logic and reason. Progressives, on the other hand, desire none of those things, regardless whether or not the opposing viewpoint is sensational or simply one with which they disagree. Their idea of debate is quasi-censorship: blacklisting diversity from the airwaves. They’re either too lazy or too incompetent to debate the issues, so they resort to hiding them altogether. They don’t engage, they persecute and suppress. It’s weak and unAmerican.

I may whole-heartedly disagree with your sentiment, but I’m not going to call for your removal from the airwaves. I’ll debate you in the public square but I won’t press for your firing as my belief in your free speech doesn’t hinge upon whether or not you believe in mine; and my belief in the right of a private company to set standards as it pleases — except when those decisions come by way of outside pressure from fascist squeaky wheels who demand that their influence on an entity exceed their actual relevance in reality.

Of course, when Dana Loesch says “I’ll debate you in the public square,” she actually means she’ll call you a “pervert” and a child molester.

But it’s really awful that poor Paleo Pat’s constitutionally guaranteed free speech has been unceremoniously stripped away by the evil liberal cabal, isn’t it?

For more on this abominable censorship, read Pat Buchanan’s latest column at Townhall.com, RealClearPolitics.com, HumanEvents.com, World Net Daily, Creators Syndicate, and practically every other right wing site on the Internet.

Meanwhile, in objective reality, Pat Buchanan’s First Amendment rights have not been “abridged,” because the First Amendment pledges that the government will not make laws censoring speech, and Buchanan’s firing by MSNBC has nothing to do with the government. As you can see, he is still perfectly free to promulgate his hateful ideology at any website and/or cable news channel that will allow it. (Hey, Fox News — opportunity’s knocking.)

Dana Loesch clearly doesn’t understand the First Amendment to the US Constitution.

The First Amendment guarantees the right of free speech, without government censorship. It does not guarantee racist dirtbags like Pat Buchanan a “right” to be employed by MSNBC or any other private company that chooses not to help him spread hatred.

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549 comments
1 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:13:19pm

Well, as I already consider Dana to be a despicable slug, she might as well go for broke.

2 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:13:32pm

Funny that a defense of controversy and 'diversity' of thought can in the first two-sentence paragraph turn into an implication that the reader ignore Media Matters because they're "under fire."
Very twisty thinking.

3 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:16:01pm

I stopped reading after conservatives want to debate the issues. She might as well as stated that dinosaurs invented the internet and the Ipod.

4 nines09  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:18:24pm

Pat should look on the bright side. Now that he's no longer on MSNBC he can completely drop the facade and say what's really on his mind. The other brown shirts will flock to him as is happening right now.

5 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:18:31pm

Why do these people keep confusing the right to free speech, and "the right to have their own cable TV show"?

6 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:18:34pm

I wonder if she's feeling a bit of heat from CNN over some of her recent, nasty comments, and with this she is engaging in a bit of a preemptive strike.

7 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:18:51pm

What about the freedom of CNN to employ those it chooses?
Will no one consider the poor corporations?

8 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:19:43pm

re: #5 jamesfirecat

Y U FIRED ME AN KILLED MAI FREED SPEECHES!!!!

9 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:20:00pm

(Charles, you probably wanted to link to her tweet - instead it goes to your article.)

10 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:20:21pm
conservatives want the diversity of voices, even if they disagree with the thought or if the thought is offensively over-the-top sensational.

Biggest lie I've read all day week month.

Hey Pat:

Frank says:

Whenever you're down, just think about how you got there.

11 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:23:21pm
That’s the difference between conservatives and progressives: conservatives want the diversity of voices, even if they disagree with the thought or if the thought is offensively over-the-top sensational. They’re eager to debate it out in the open and prove it wrong.

Maybe Dana will register here and bring the debate to a place where she can't cut off the microphone.

12 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:23:43pm
conservatives want the diversity of voices, even if they disagree with the thought or if the thought is offensively over-the-top sensational.

You mean like when someone goes around calling other people child molesters after their bullshit screed gets called into question?

13 Four More Tears  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:23:53pm

Wow. It sounds like this Conservative would be in favor of some sort of Doctrine, something that would promote Fairness in the realm of public discourse...

14 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:23:56pm

re: #10 wrenchwench

Biggest lie I've read all day week month.

Hey Pat:

I don't know about that, it seems like Conservatives spend a lot of time saying things they later admit are "offensively over-the-top sensational." when others call them on it.

15 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:24:06pm

THE POOR POOR RACIST WHITE OLD MAN WHO ONCE RAN FOR PRESIDENT, ALLOW US ALL TO WEEP FOR HIS POOR FORTUNES, I AM SURE HE IS PENNILESS AND WITHOUT A FRIEND IN THE WORLD

16 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:25:58pm

re: #12 Slumbering Behemoth

You mean like when someone goes around calling other people child molesters after their bullshit screed gets called into question?

She trolls herself, it's awesome

I love that a CNN commentator is on the knife's edge of being in a common teenager flamewar

17 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:26:34pm

Pat Buchanan: "Those who believe the rise to power of an Obama rainbow coalition of peoples of color means the whites who helped to engineer it will steer it are deluding themselves. The whites may discover what it is like to ride in the back of the bus."

Is that really a 'controversial' view, or just insane?

18 Four More Tears  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:26:36pm

re: #16 windupbird is in the gravity well

She trolls herself, it's awesome

I love that a CNN commentator is on the knife's edge of being in a common teenager flamewar

SHUT UP!

19 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:29:10pm

This is why she hates Media Matters.

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

They've busted her for lying about a zillion times.

20 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:29:15pm
21 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:30:08pm

Pat Buchanan:

Americans who seek stricter immigration control have been charged with many social sins: racism, xenophobia, nativism. Yet none has sought to expel any fellow American based on color or creed. We have only sought to preserve the country we grew up in. Do not people everywhere do that, without being reviled? What motivates people who insist that America’s doors be held open wide until the European majority has disappeared?

What is their grudge against the old America that eats at their heart?

Shouldn't CNN have a regular raving eurotribal fantasy broadcast?

22 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:31:05pm

Beer run. While I'm gone, maybe Dana can tell us how gov't mandated, non-consensual, vaginal probes are not a violation of a person's 4th amendment rights, and/or not an example of big gov't intrusion.

23 What, me worry?  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:31:51pm

Right on, Charles.

Andrew Sullivan did some unexpected (at least in my mind) whining about the "silencing of Pat Buchanan" yesterday. I can't make hide nor tails out of that mess.

24 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:33:51pm

re: #23 marjoriemoon

I think all these assholes know that they've got plum gigs and when one of them goes down, it makes them all nervous. I mean, Sullivan is a half-decent writer who became obsessed with the idea that Sarah Palin was the real mother of Trig in a really, really creepy way. It's not like he's a mile away from Buchanan. He may lack most of the offensive views, but he's got the shallowness and short-sightedness.

25 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:33:58pm

re: #19 Obdicut

Someone (didn't catch who) on the Mark Levin show was talking about having a mole inside MM that was going to expose some agenda or something. So I guess we have that outrageous outrage to look forward to.

/Now, beer run.

26 Four More Tears  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:34:16pm

re: #23 marjoriemoon

Right on, Charles.

Andrew Sullivan did some unexpected (at least in my mind) whining about the "silencing of Pat Buchanan" yesterday. I can't make hide nor tails out of that mess.

This, along with his Ron Paul endorsement, makes me think he just doesn't understand racism and why it bothers others people so damn much.

27 b_snark  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:34:40pm
[Conservatives] desire nothing more than to win converts by proving how illogical or immoral the opposite viewpoint is while using logic and reason.

All the while responding emotionally and negatively to the proven logic and reason of science. This woman wouldn't know logic if Adam Smith wrote it out for her.

28 What, me worry?  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:35:33pm

re: #24 Obdicut

I think all these assholes know that they've got plum gigs and when one of them goes down, it makes them all nervous. I mean, Sullivan is a half-decent writer who became obsessed with the idea that Sarah Palin was the real mother of Trig in a really, really creepy way. It's not like he's a mile away from Buchanan. He may lack most of the offensive views, but he's got the shallowness and short-sightedness.

I don't know. Praising Pat's "intellectual prowess" just kinda makes me want to puke so I don't get any of that.

But to say anyone is SILENCING him is unadulterated BS.

29 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:35:35pm

re: #26 Oppressed White Male

This, along with his Ron Paul endorsement, makes me think he just doesn't understand racism and why it bothers others people so damn much.

"If you don't like racism, stop being a minority!"

30 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:35:44pm

This really shows how a lot or right-wingers are merely paying lip service to Israel and Jews since no one who defends either could come to the defense of Buchanan.

31 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:35:50pm

re: #24 Obdicut

Here's the explanation, I think:

Sixteen years ago, when I came out as HIV-positive and quit TNR's editorship, Buchanan, who had sparred relentlessly in public with me over gay equality, wrote me a personal hand-written note. He wrote he was saddened by what he heard - which was then regarded as an imminent death sentence - and wanted to say how he would pray that I would survive, if only so we could continue to argue and fight and debate for many more years. He was one of only two Washingtonians who did such a thing. I was moved beyond words. But he knew I loved a good argument as well. Over a gulf of ideological and philosophical difference, we could debate reasonably.

32 EdDantes  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:36:33pm

There is nothing in the first amendment that says an anti-Semite cannot be fired. I'd have fired his nasty ass too.

33 Four More Tears  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:36:52pm

re: #29 Obdicut

"If you don't like racism, stop being a minority!"

It sounds really odd coming from a gay Brit living in America, but that's the gist of it.

34 b_snark  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:36:57pm

re: #5 jamesfirecat

Why do these people keep confusing the right to free speech, and "the right to have their own cable TV show"?

Their version of the entitlement culture.

35 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:37:19pm

Or put another way. You can't support Israel or Jews and defend Pat Buchanan.

36 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:37:54pm

No surprise that conservatives don't know a damn thing about the Constitution in this reality.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Basically, the First Amendment prevents the government from acting against your speech (within limits, such as yelling fire in a crowded theater, death threats, and profanity and obscenity on TV/radio via the FCC). It says nothing about a private entity (in this case, MSNBC) having an open forum for someone to spout whatever he/she wants. MSNBC does not have an obligation to give airtime to a white nationalist and anti-Semite unless they support his bigoted views, and since they don't, they have the freedom to let him go, and they have. That's their choice, and no one from any level of government can interfere unless they want a lawsuit on their hands.

MSNBC exercised their First Amendment rights by dumping someone that held poisonous and bigoted views. Buchanan is free to go to other venues that would support his white nationalism and bigotry.

37 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:37:57pm

re: #34 SH1T My Conscience Says

Their version of the entitlement culture.

When you're handed everything, you begin to expect everything

38 What, me worry?  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:38:27pm

There is never going to be a time, as long as that man is alive, that we are not going to be privy to his twisted ideals. Quite unfortunately.

39 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:38:52pm

re: #23 marjoriemoon

Right on, Charles.

Andrew Sullivan did some unexpected (at least in my mind) whining about the "silencing of Pat Buchanan" yesterday. I can't make hide nor tails out of that mess.

I'm noticing that an awful lot of paleocons are Catholic. I don't understand it, it's not the Catholicism I grew up in, but it's there.

40 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:39:58pm

re: #29 Obdicut

"If you don't like racism, stop being a minority!"

////It worked for Micheal Jackson right?
(Too mean?)

41 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:40:01pm

Loesch is one of the meanest, immature wingnuts on TV.

42 Four More Tears  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:40:03pm

re: #31 Director of the Stratosphere

Here's the explanation, I think:

Buchanan's private support would, I think, earn a similar response from me if I were in Andrew's shoes. Not such a public statement.

43 EdDantes  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:40:50pm

re: #30 Ricardo Montalbán with Soft Corinthian Leather

This really shows how a lot or right-wingers are merely paying lip service to Israel and Jews since no one who defends either could come to the defense of Buchanan.

I'm a right-wing supporter of Israel and Jews and I have condemned him for at least ten years.

44 Four More Tears  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:41:00pm

re: #35 Ricardo Montalbán with Soft Corinthian Leather

Or put another way. You can't support Israel or Jews and defend Pat Buchanan.

Well if that's the criteria then I think Sullivan is in the clear...

45 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:41:13pm

re: #23 marjoriemoon

Andrew Sullivan: "But here's another thing he has always been: true to his own ideas and a gifted writer. He truly believes what he says and has read and researched a huge amount and has thought carefully about his extreme out-of-the-mainstream views."

He's "thought carefully" about the war on Christianity, so we should listen respectfully and not point out any contrary evidence.

From the chapter, “The Death Of Christian America”:
"Obama’s White House thus enlisted in the long and successful campaign to expel Christianity from the public square, diminish its presence in our public life, and reduce its role to that of just another religion. "

46 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:41:55pm

re: #45 jaunte

He thought carefully, but unfortunately he was using a defective brain to do so. Result: Derp.

47 Four More Tears  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:41:57pm

re: #39 wrenchwench

I'm noticing that an awful lot of paleocons are Catholic. I don't understand it, it's not the Catholicism I grew up in, but it's there.

It's about maintaining the status quo.

48 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:42:52pm

re: #43 EdDantes

I'm a right-wing supporter of Israel and Jews and I have condemned him for at least ten years.

I use the phrase loosely and it should read "a lot of" meaning a segment or fraction of.

I thought you were a fellow traveler? ;)

49 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:43:10pm

re: #47 Oppressed White Male

It's about maintaining the status quo.

That makes sense. They're all "pre-Vatican II" Catholics.

50 b_snark  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:45:45pm

re: #37 windupbird is in the gravity well

When you're handed everything, you begin to expect everything

They've been told they deserve everything.

51 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:46:04pm

Later, lizards.

52 What, me worry?  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:49:03pm

re: #45 jaunte

I KNOW. IT MAKES ME INSANE LOL

How about this one, "He is a passionate writer who loves nothing more than a good argument with a worthy opponent..."

Good grief!

53 EdDantes  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:52:32pm

re: #48 Ricardo Montalbán with Soft Corinthian Leather

I see your point. I'm surprised that some of the right is defending his "freedom of speech."

54 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:54:48pm

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

55 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:59:08pm

re: #39 wrenchwench

I'm noticing that an awful lot of paleocons are Catholic. I don't understand it, it's not the Catholicism I grew up in, but it's there.

There's a straight line from Father Coughlin to Pat Buchanan.

56 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 6:59:20pm

re: #45 jaunte

He's "thought carefully" about the war on Christianity, so we should listen respectfully and not point out any contrary evidence.

Or this quote from Buchanan:

Because Hitler wanted to end the war in 1940, almost two years before the trains began to roll to the camps.

57 freetoken  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:02:15pm

I realize someone posted this in a Page earlier today... but I'm still flummoxed that a leading candidate for the nomination for President of the US could say the following in the year 2011 and it not be seen as, well, so far out on the limb that something is really wrong:

Santorum says Obama agenda not "based on Bible"

Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum challenged President Barack Obama's Christian beliefs on Saturday, saying White House policies were motivated by a "different theology."

A devout Roman Catholic who has risen to the top of Republican polls in recent days, Santorum said the Obama administration had failed to prevent gas prices rising and was using "political science" in the debate about climate change.

Obama's agenda is "not about you. It's not about your quality of life. It's not about your jobs. It's about some phony ideal. Some phony theology. Oh, not a theology based on the Bible. A different theology," Santorum told supporters of the conservative Tea Party movement at a Columbus hotel.

When asked about the statement at a news conference later, Santorum said, "If the president says he's a Christian, he's a Christian."

But Santorum did not back down from the assertion that Obama's values run against those of Christianity.

"He is imposing his values on the Christian church. He can categorize those values anyway he wants. I'm not going to," Santorum told reporters.

[...]

At a campaign appearance in Florida last month, Santorum declined to correct a voter who called Obama, a Christian, an "avowed Muslim."

Santorum told CNN after that incident, "I don't feel it's my obligation every time someone says something I don't agree with to contradict them, and the president's a big boy, he can defend himself."

[...]

Essentially, Santorum is implying that unless the President of the US expressly institutes "values" in line with fundamentalist American Christianity then the President is somehow not properly executing the duties of the office of the President.

That's just a straight-up theocratic model of governance.

Oh, and on top of that Santorum directly assigns the responsibility for managing gasoline prices to the office of the President. And here these Tea Partiers whine and whine about "command" economics! Clue to the tea partiers - gasoline prices are where they are becauseof the "free market". Yes, really.

58 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:03:33pm

"He is imposing his values on the Christian church."

Which one of the many?

59 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:08:25pm

It's a little ironic that the paranoids chose Van Jones as the reasoning behind his firing. When it was they who had Van Jones "fired" for a lot of distorted reasons. And it is they (Breitbart and company) that led to Shirley Sherrod to lose her job with Agriculture.

60 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:08:38pm

re: #57 freetoken

"Command" economics are not against their principles, they just want to be on the side that commands.

61 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:09:14pm

Phoenix New Times has a followup to the Babeu story:

Babeu Vows to Continue Congressional Run
Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu turned a nearly hour-long press conference to address allegations of threats that he and his attorney made to Babeu's ex-boyfriend into a parade of people defending his right to be gay.

62 What, me worry?  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:09:16pm

re: #57 freetoken

Obama's agenda is "not about you. It's not about your quality of life. It's not about your jobs. It's about some phony ideal. Some phony theology. Oh, not a theology based on the Bible. A different theology,"

Nod, nod, wink, wink.

63 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:09:28pm

re: #17 jaunte

Pat Buchanan: "Those who believe the rise to power of an Obama rainbow coalition of peoples of color means the whites who helped to engineer it will steer it are deluding themselves. The whites may discover what it is like to ride in the back of the bus."

Is that really a 'controversial' view, or just insane?

All of the above.

Pat's a grizzled old racist bigot who can't get over the fact that people like him are and should be a dying breed, so he (and those like him) keep stoking the fires of discontent and discord to ensure that there will be shitbirds to take his place.

64 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:11:15pm

Some phony theology.

"Mine is the true theology!"

65 freetoken  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:12:05pm

re: #60 jaunte

"Command" economics are not against their principles, they just want to be on the side that commands.

this.

66 Achilles Tang  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:12:25pm

re: #11 jaunte

Maybe Dana will register here and bring the debate to a place where she can't cut off the microphone.

That was going to be my quote too, except my point was the obvious state of mind that she/they are always right in all regards. In fact it is a belief system, not a logic system. Reminds me of fundy creationists.

That’s the difference between conservatives and progressives: conservatives want the diversity of voices, even if they disagree with the thought or if the thought is offensively over-the-top sensational. They’re eager to debate it out in the open and prove it wrong.

67 Cap'n Magic  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:12:30pm

re: #26 Oppressed White Male

To fully understand Sully, all one has to do is look how he handled the Komen debacle-specifically, the length of time it took him to even acknowledge the incident-it was well over 3 days. As Th Ballon Juice crowd so rightly point out, the only difference between the American Evangelicals and the Taliban are which badge they wear. Or, as I like to call them: "Neo Pharisees" and the temple moneychangers, who fail to grasp the nostrum of 'Render unto Caesar what is Caesars'.

68 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:14:05pm

re: #56 Gus

Or this quote from Buchanan:

Because Hitler wanted to end the war in 1940, almost two years before the trains began to roll to the camps.

Because I mean, c'mon, it's not Adolf's fault that all those other countries just didn't roll over and submit to Nazi rule.
/

69 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:15:46pm

re: #64 jaunte

Some phony theology.

"Mine is the true theology!"

There can be only one.

/unless you're a polytheist, I guess.

70 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:16:15pm
71 freetoken  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:16:41pm

Yes, they want to be the ones doing the commanding:

[...]

But Mr. Boehner’s message to his members echoes the aggressive talk coming from the Republican campaign trail, where the men vying for the right to challenge Mr. Obama are increasingly blaming Mr. Obama’s administration for rising gas prices. A gallon of gas had dropped to $1.89 when Mr. Obama took office in 2009, in large part because of the fall in oil demand caused by the financial crisis, and has almost doubled since.

“They want higher energy prices. They want to push their radical agenda on the public,” Rick Santorum said at a campaign event last week, accusing Democrats of pushing alternatives to oil. “We need a president who is on the side of affordable energy.”

Newt Gingrich wrote on Twitter on Friday that “gasoline prices are unacceptable. We can do better!” He urged his supporters to sign a petition on his Web site calling for a return to $2.50-a-gallon gas. “Drill here. Drill now. Pay less,” the petition says.

And talking points from the Republican National Committee that go out to conservative commentators every Friday often include rising gas prices among the “Top Line Messaging” for the week. A recent “Pundit Prep” document cited the national debt, unemployment and the price of gas as the three best ways to define the “Obama economy.”

[...]

Note: the facts are not on their side. Drilling has been up all during the Obama administration, as has US crude petroleum production.

The idiots like Santorum want people to believe that by increasing demand for oil that gasoline prices will go down.

These people who worship the "free market" are hypocrites to their own (frankly, idolatrous) religion.

72 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:17:54pm

re: #71 freetoken

Since oil is a worldwide commodity, the price of gas tends to depend on how much the Chinese want at the time.

73 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:18:03pm

re: #71 freetoken

Yes, they want to be the ones doing the commanding:

Note: the facts are not on their side. Drilling has been up all during the Obama administration, as has US crude petroleum production.

The idiots like Santorum want people to believe that by increasing demand for oil that gasoline prices will go down.

These people who worship the "free market" are hypocrites to their own (frankly, idolatrous) religion.

Really? You mean if I sign a petition the price of gasoline will go down to $2.50 a gallon because right now "those prices are unacceptable?"

Derpity do!

74 Interesting Times  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:18:38pm

re: #65 freetoken

On an OT note, this page inspired me to do my own research on Norman Borlaug, but it left me very confused - he seems to be quite popular on denier sites, but what were his actual thoughts on the matter? No big deal and tech will fix everything, i.e. the Bjorn Lomborg variety?

75 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:18:42pm

I think the price of peanut butter is way too high!

76 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:19:00pm

re: #73 Gus

Really? You mean if I sign a petition the price of gasoline will go down to $2.50 a gallon because right now "those prices are unacceptable?"

Derpity do!

Excellent.
I can now get that DHS grant for an APC.

77 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:19:27pm

These candidates and their economic advisers aren't that dumb about oil prices, they're just playing to ignorant voters

78 freetoken  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:20:14pm

re: #72 jaunte

Since oil is a worldwide commodity, the price of gas tends to depend on how much the Chinese want at the time.

Not just oil, but all products made from oil, such as gasoline.

Indeed, just in the news a few weeks ago, and trumpeted with lots of smoke and delusional mis-statements by the tea partying wingnuts, the US is a net exporter of products. That's because US based refineries can find ready markets for their products around the world.

79 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:20:14pm

re: #77 jaunte

These candidates and their economic advisers aren't that dumb about oil prices, they're just playing to ignorant voters

I thought they were dumb but I never realized they were this dumb.

80 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:21:06pm

re: #75 Gus

I think the price of peanut butter is way too damn high!

McMillan-ed that for you.

81 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:21:22pm

re: #62 marjoriemoon

Nod, nod, wink, wink.

"True believers, read between the lines and you will find that devil worship called Islam!"

82 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:22:03pm

re: #69 Slumbering Behemoth

There can be only one.

/unless you're a polytheist, I guess.

Or Duncan MacLeod...

83 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:22:06pm

@thinkprogress
"Liberals are asking us to give Obama more time + I think 25-to-life would be a good start" - Ohio House speaker intro-ing Santorum tonight

84 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:22:36pm

re: #72 jaunte

Since oil is a worldwide commodity, the price of gas tends to depend on how much the Chinese want at the time.

And the Indians.

85 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:22:39pm

re: #72 jaunte

Since oil is a worldwide commodity, the price of gas tends to depend on how much the Chinese want at the time.

Which is all priced according to the commodities market and by what the market would bear. The petrol companies aren't going to "voluntarily" lower gasoline prices because we might "drill here and drill now." It wouldn't make a spit of difference how much more we drill here and now.

86 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:24:16pm

re: #82 talon_262

Or Duncan MacLeod...

"Yay!! I won!! What?!?! A fucking sequel?!?! Gawt damnit!!!"

87 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:24:22pm

That's like saying we'll grow more wheat here and the price of bread will go down to 25 cents a loaf like it was "back in the good old days."

88 freetoken  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:24:26pm

re: #74 Interesting Times

Borlaug was from another time. His type of "solution" depends upon the availability of inexpensive energy to convert one set of substances into others, as part of a strategy for living (in his case, increased food production.)

As world population increases, simultaneously with continued depletion of fossil fuels, a strategy that succeeds won't be dependent upon cheap fossil fuels.

The reason some "denier" writers/sites my like Borlaug is because his is an All-American story, one that fits the myth of the pioneering American able to overcome all odds and lead the US to be Savior of the The World.

89 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:24:52pm

re: #87 Gus

A loaf of whole derp.

90 What, me worry?  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:26:17pm

So this is what people like Andrew Sullivan, Andrew Breitbart and Dana Loesch defend when they defend the bigot:

[Link: www.adl.org...]
1990: "The problem is: Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide to kill anybody." - NY Post, March 17, 1990 (from a column about the trial of accused Nazi war criminal John Demjanjuk)

1990: "In the late 1940’s and 1950’s…race was never a preoccupation with us, we rarely thought about it….There were no politics to polarize us then, to magnify every slight. The ‘Negroes’ of Washington had their public schools, restaurants, bars, movie houses, playgrounds and churches; and we had ours." - Right From the Beginning

1990: "Does this First World nation wish to become a Third World country? Because that is our destiny if we do not build a sea wall against the waves of immigration rolling over our shores…..The Negroes of the ‘50s became the blacks of the ‘60’s; now, the ‘African-Americans’ of the 90’s demand racial quotas and set-asides, as the Democrats eagerly assent and a pandering GOP prepares to go along. Who speaks for the Euro-Americans, who founded the U.S.A.? …Is it not time to take America back? - - NY Post, June 20, 1990

[Link: www.fair.org...]
"If we had to take a million immigrants in, say Zulus, next year, or Englishmen, and put them up in Virginia, what group would be easier to assimilate and would cause less problems for the people of Virginia?" ("This Week With David Brinkley," 1/8/91)

91 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:27:34pm

Louis CK learns about the Catholic Church

/For comedy purposes only, not intended as serious theological/political thought

92 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:29:29pm

re: #77 jaunte

These candidates and their economic advisers aren't that dumb about oil prices, they're just playing to ignorant voters

re: #79 Gus

I thought they were dumb but I never realized they were this dumb.

That's the thing...most of the TPGOP candidates aren't stupid or ignorant, but they want to make and keep their electorate stupid, ignorant, and free of critical thinking skills because it makes it much easier for them get and keep political power.

Once they have that power, the world is their oyster...and the rest of us are well and truly fucked.

93 Cap'n Magic  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:30:22pm

re: #59 Gus

And the latest on the Brietbart/Shrrod lawsuit states that Ol' penis-picture collector Andy can't use Anti-SLAPP as a defense retroactively.

Now if only O'Keefe would be indicted for vote fraud...

94 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:35:47pm

re: #91 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

Ouch. Although for folks familiar with that comedian would see the name "Louis CK" as just as good a label as "NSFW", it probably wouldn't have hurt to put an actual "NSFW" tag on that one.

95 Interesting Times  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:36:00pm

re: #88 freetoken

The reason some "denier" writers/sites my like Borlaug is because his is an All-American story, one that fits the myth of the pioneering American able to overcome all odds and lead the US to be Savior of the The World.

From what I gathered, they seem to like him because he feeds into their "environmentalists bad, petrochemicals good" mantra, and that, since his work initially prevented 1960s/70s "population bomb" predictions from coming true, AGW predictions re food supply disruptions are also wrong. In other words, increased conventional industrial agriculture (through magical increased "drill, baby drill" fossil fuels) will automatically save the world no matter how much population increases.

96 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:38:37pm

"And I promise you! If elected! The price of gasoline will go back to two dollars and 50 cents a gallon!"

[P.T. Barnum voice.]

97 Interesting Times  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:40:09pm

re: #96 Gus

"And I promise you! If elected! The price of gasoline will go back to two dollars and 50 cents a gallon!"

Well, gas prices did plummet after the 2008 financial crisis, so all they have to do to keep that promise is bring about another one.

98 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:42:48pm

re: #61 jaunte

Phoenix New Times has a followup to the Babeu story:

I found a very damning line earlier in another story:

Babeu told reporters he believed the man, identified only by his first name Jose, was living in the country legally.

If this Washington Post story is true and Babeu actually said this to reporters, he's toast. It backs up the claim that Babue and his attorney falsely lied to the man in asserting that his visa had expired, and in repeating the lie to the press Babeu might have engaged in an actionable slander.

Edit: Nevermind, drunk.

99 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:45:33pm

re: #19 Obdicut

This is why she hates Media Matters.

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

They've busted her for lying about a zillion times.

It's also that Fox News has mounted an anti-Media Matters campaign recently, with most of the attacks being against David Brock. The latest was a Bagua-esk "psychological analysis" of Brock by a shrink Fox retrains as a commentator.

100 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:47:29pm

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

The Washington Post repeated Babeu's spin in their headline:

Arizona sheriff facing allegations of misconduct forced to publically announce he is gay

101 Interesting Times  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:51:05pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

The latest was a Bagua-esk "psychological analysis" of Brock by a shrink Fox retrains as a commentator.

That would be whack-quack "Dr" Keith Ablow, appropriately named as the dribbling, bigoted, knuckle-dragging idiocy he calls analysis must surely result from a blow to the head.

102 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:53:42pm

re: #100 jaunte

The Washington Post repeated Babeu's spin in their headline:

It's like the words were shoved down his throat, so to speak.

Papi . . . this is no good.

103 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:54:17pm

re: #95 Interesting Times

From what I gathered, they seem to like him because he feeds into their "environmentalists bad, petrochemicals good" mantra, and that, since his work initially prevented 1960s/70s "population bomb" predictions from coming true, AGW predictions re food supply disruptions are also wrong. In other words, increased conventional industrial agriculture (through magical increased "drill, baby drill" fossil fuels) will automatically save the world no matter how much population increases.

But I'm pretty sure the population bomb prediction will eventually become true. The world can only sustain so many human beings. But they deny that as well.

104 freetoken  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:58:15pm

re: #103 Gus

But I'm pretty sure the population bomb prediction will eventually become true. The world can only sustain so many human beings. But they deny that as well.

Most certainly.

Just ask the Duggars.

105 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 7:58:36pm

Golden oldie outrage:
Newsbusters resurrected Fox News' "terrorist fist bump" slam today:

Roberta Flack & Soledad O'Brien at Whitney Houston funeral

106 Four More Tears  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:00:32pm

re: #105 jaunte

Golden oldie outrage:
Newsbusters resurrected Fox News' "terrorist fist bump" slam today:

Roberta Flack & Soledad O'Brien at Whitney Houston funeral

Oh for fuck's sake...

107 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:02:00pm

re: #104 freetoken

Most certainly.

Just ask the Duggars.

Yeah. Supporting Santorum I see. I'm glad they're thinking about their childrens' futures. The guy that wants to turn all public land into one big giant Mall of America.

108 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:03:04pm

re: #105 jaunte

Golden oldie outrage:
Newsbusters resurrected Fox News' "terrorist fist bump" slam today:

Roberta Flack & Soledad O'Brien at Whitney Houston funeral

Derp.

109 What, me worry?  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:04:06pm

re: #105 jaunte

Golden oldie outrage:
Newsbusters resurrected Fox News' "terrorist fist bump" slam today:

Roberta Flack & Soledad O'Brien at Whitney Houston funeral

lol The bump was pretty awesome.

I watched maybe 30 mins of the funeral. I caught it when her sister was speaking. She really gave an eloquent eulogy.

110 Four More Tears  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:04:20pm

re: #90 marjoriemoon

So this is what people like Andrew Sullivan, Andrew Breitbart and Dana Loesch defend when they defend the bigot:

A small sampling of Pat Buchanan's bigoted comments...from 1990-1991.

111 What, me worry?  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:07:19pm

re: #110 Oppressed White Male

A small sampling of Pat Buchanan's bigoted comments...from 1990-1991.

Lots more at those links.

112 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:09:09pm
113 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:09:35pm

61 degrees today in the mountains of SW VA. Tomorrow? They're expecting 8 inches of snow.

I took pictures of blooming daffodils today.

Kwazy.

114 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:09:50pm

Bush fist bumping.

[Link: www.zimbio.com...]

115 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:10:10pm

re: #105 jaunte

Golden oldie outrage:
Newsbusters resurrected Fox News' "terrorist fist bump" slam today:

Roberta Flack & Soledad O'Brien at Whitney Houston funeral

What's that you say? Obama is wearing a flag pin?

BURN ALL THE FLAGS!!!

116 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:11:35pm

re: #112 Gus

BREAKING NEWS! JEB BUSH FIST BUMPING!

INVASION OF THE FIST SNATCHERS!!

117 palomino  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:12:04pm

If conservatives really wanted to debate everything out in the open, then don't you think their media outlets would have more liberal voices? There are no liberals hosting shows on FoxNews. Limbaugh doesn't talk to liberal guests on his show...conservatives only. How many liberals have columns at Breitbart's sites.

And once again, you hear conservatives trying to make this a 1st Amendment issue. It clearly isn't, anymore than one of us being fired for comments at work. As a teacher, I could tell a nonwhite kid that America is better as a white nation. I'd get fired, I'd deserve it, and there would be no constitutional issue whatsoever, since the govt did nothing to prevent my free speech.

You're free to say whatever you want. You're not free to do so without consequences. Words have consequences, at least at MSNBC. I see Loesch is still at CNN, so maybe less consequences there.

118 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:14:31pm

re: #116 jaunte

Wort. Pr0n. Evar.

119 palomino  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:15:15pm

re: #17 jaunte

Pat Buchanan: "Those who believe the rise to power of an Obama rainbow coalition of peoples of color means the whites who helped to engineer it will steer it are deluding themselves. The whites may discover what it is like to ride in the back of the bus."

Is that really a 'controversial' view, or just insane?

If a paid commentator at MSNBC said something similar about the TP, the right would want his/her head. I don't remember the right running to David Letterman's support when his joke about Bristol Palin elicited calls from the Palinistas that he be fired.

120 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:15:23pm

re: #117 palomino

It's just more self-comfort word salad burbling, she doesn't really mean what she says.

121 prairiefire  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:17:25pm

re: #118 Slumbering Behemoth

Wort. Pr0n. Evar.

So bad it burned your tongue.

122 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:17:59pm

"who likes Dim Sum?"
[Link: news.daylife.com...]

Nice Buns!
[Link: news.daylife.com...]

123 freetoken  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:20:23pm

Back to the Borlaug thing...

One of the trendy movements of the day are the local "farmers' markets". I shop at one myself for fresh fruit once a week.

However, there is a problem that is now arising (at least in San Diego): there aren't enough farmers to meet the increasing number over "markets".

I asked one fruit grower - he says the water prices are one of the reasons.

I suspect that another is simply that the suburbanization of so much farmland has simply done in too many growers. During the last 4 decades, all around San Diego county, thousands and thousands of acres have been paved over and turned into suburbs.

It's so typical (of humans): not being able to connect cause and effect. Take away farm land, take away food production.

124 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:21:41pm

re: #119 palomino

If a paid commentator at MSNBC said something similar about the TP, the right would want his/her head. I don't remember the right running to David Letterman's support when his joke about Bristol Palin elicited calls from the Palinistas that he be fired.

These are the same people that never stopped yelling for Keith Olbermann to get fired. The same folks that wanted to get Andrea Mitchell fired. The same ones that wanted to blacklist the Dixie Chicks. In the end was Olbermann cancelled because of the right wing's efforts? How would they feel if Noam Chomsky became a regular on MSNBC?

125 palomino  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:24:24pm

re: #41 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Loesch is one of the meanest, immature wingnuts on TV.

Is she still employed by CNN? If so, how the hell can she say that only the right wants dissenting voices to be aired? Both she and Erick McErick get plenty of face time on CNN, which (though less liberal than MSNBC) is hardly run by Roger Ailes or his ilk.

126 BongCrodny  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:27:30pm

re: #124 Gus

These are the same people that never stopped yelling for Keith Olbermann to get fired. The same folks that wanted to get Andrea Mitchell fired. The same ones that wanted to blacklist the Dixie Chicks. In the end was Olbermann cancelled because of the right wing's efforts? How would they feel if Noam Chomsky became a regular on MSNBC?

I heard the Dixie Chicks on the radio the other day and I was stunned.

'Course, I live in the great socialist northeast, so maybe it's to be expected.

127 Interesting Times  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:31:19pm

re: #123 freetoken

It's so typical (of humans): not being able to connect cause and effect. Take away farm land, take away food production.

I just found something that almost reads like the Page you can't bring yourself to write:

Why the demise of civilisation may be inevitable

Doomsday scenarios typically feature a knockout blow: a massive asteroid, all-out nuclear war or a catastrophic pandemic (see "Will a pandemic bring down civilisation?"). Yet there is another chilling possibility: what if the very nature of civilisation means that ours, like all the others, is destined to collapse sooner or later?

A few researchers have been making such claims for years. Disturbingly, recent insights from fields such as complexity theory suggest that they are right. It appears that once a society develops beyond a certain level of complexity it becomes increasingly fragile. Eventually, it reaches a point at which even a relatively minor disturbance can bring everything crashing down.

128 palomino  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:32:27pm

re: #124 Gus

These are the same people that never stopped yelling for Keith Olbermann to get fired. The same folks that wanted to get Andrea Mitchell fired. The same ones that wanted to blacklist the Dixie Chicks. In the end was Olbermann cancelled because of the right wing's efforts? How would they feel if Noam Chomsky became a regular on MSNBC?

Two of America's more embarrassing moments over the last decade: 1) Crowds of Americans pouring French wine into gutters to protest their refusal to join the coalition of the willing (in retrospect, I'm sure the French really feel like they made a mistake staying out of Iraq.//////)

2) Americans destroying Dixie Chicks CD's in the streets because they said something critical of W, which the right couldn't tolerate.

Yeah, those conservatives just love a good debate and never want to silence their critics. What a load.

129 freetoken  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:33:34pm

One of the more illustrative examples of why our society ends up exactly as it is: the local national-chain supermarket imports picked-too-early, poorly tasting navel oranges and sells them for $1.99/lb during the summer and fall months (when the California navels are out of season), when all around town there are much superior flavored "valencia" (seed bearing) oranges falling off of trees and rotting.

Yet people go ahead and buy the overpriced crap at the supermarket instead of eating what is at their doorstep.

And then we wonder how idiots like the current Clown Car riders get to be the picked "leaders" of one of our two major political parties.

130 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:34:08pm

re: #128 palomino

Two of America's more embarrassing moments over the last decade: 1) Crowds of Americans pouring French wine into gutters to protest their refusal to join the coalition of the willing (in retrospect, I'm sure the French really feel like they made a mistake staying out of Iraq.///)

2) Americans destroying Dixie Chicks CD's in the streets because they said something critical of W, which the right couldn't tolerate.

Yeah, those conservatives just love a good debate and never want to silence their critics. What a load.

Freedum fries baby!

Can you point to Iraq on this map?

Is this a trick question?

//

131 freetoken  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:35:36pm

re: #127 Interesting Times

Tainter and the complexity argument have been quite popular in the doomer circles for a while.

I don't doubt that it is true, but at the same time such an inherently chaotic system probably can't be predicted sufficiently ahead of time to (1) be proven to be correct as a prophet, and (2) do anything about it.

132 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:39:07pm

Way too intellectual in here.

:P

133 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:43:34pm

re: #132 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

No, I'm still logged in.

/DICK JOAK!!!

134 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:44:20pm

re: #133 Slumbering Behemoth

No, I'm still logged in.

/DICK JOAK!!!

Image: funny-gifs-politics.gif

135 freetoken  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:44:52pm

re: #132 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Way too intellectual in here.

:P

136 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:45:17pm

re: #131 freetoken

Tainter and the complexity argument have been quite popular in the doomer circles for a while.

I don't doubt that it is true, but at the same time such an inherently chaotic system probably can't be predicted sufficiently ahead of time to (1) be proven to be correct as a prophet, and (2) do anything about it.

One of the problems is that we inhabited some of the most fertile regions in this country (world). Fertile land is not really a requirement for human habitation. The same can be said about inhabiting delicate coastal regions and along bodies of water.

137 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:46:35pm

And when we do inhabit those traditionally uninhabitable areas we demand that it look like a lush green gold course with sodded lawns and massive shade trees.

138 EdDantes  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:47:00pm

re: #134 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Image: funny-gifs-politics.gif

Not funny. cheap shot.

139 BongCrodny  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:48:40pm

Funny AND cheap shot.

140 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:49:33pm

re: #132 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Way too intellectual in here.

:P

Fixed:
Wasilla High Covers Art Because it Looks Like Girl Parts

PZ Myers comments:
Next, throw a bag over the Washington Monument

141 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:50:01pm

re: #138 EdDantes

Not funny. cheap shot.

No, this.
Image: funny-gifs-kicking-balls.gif

142 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:50:36pm

re: #139 BongCrodny

Funny AND cheap shot.

I was wondering where that shot went.

//

143 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:51:02pm
"But back to the girly bits. It’s not clear when Wasilla plans to shield us all from looking at almonds, footballs, human eyes in perpendicular configuration, halved avocados or sliced figs, all of which are suspiciously shaped. And if you squint just right when you look at that Jesus fish… I’m just saying."

Lol.

144 BongCrodny  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:51:13pm

re: #140 jaunte

Fixed:
Wasilla High Covers Art Because it Looks Like Girl Parts

PZ Myers comments:
Next, throw a bag over the Washington Monument

"Yup. It's a hoohoo alright."

Awesome.

145 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:51:38pm

re: #138 EdDantes

How dare he cum in here spurting such nonsense!

147 jaunte  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:52:07pm

re: #146 Gus

Quick, a tarp!

148 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:52:42pm

Image: cap1.jpg
Clearly a giant boob.

149 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:53:03pm

re: #140 jaunte

Fixed:
Wasilla High Covers Art Because it Looks Like Girl Parts

PZ Myers comments:
Next, throw a bag over the Washington Monument

PZ needs to get his mind out of the gutter. The Washington Monument is not a phallic symbol, but a symbol of humanity's triumph over the vampire hordes.

150 EdDantes  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:53:11pm

re: #141 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

That is funny.

151 BongCrodny  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:53:19pm

re: #146 Gus

Image: concrete_phallus_umm.jpg

Kinky. It even has a metal ring.

152 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:53:38pm

I demand that they rename the Grand Tetons into something more decent!

153 EdDantes  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:57:38pm

re: #145 Slumbering Behemoth

How dare he cum in here spurting such nonsense!

Eeeeew!

155 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 8:58:29pm

re: #152 Gus

I demand that they rename the Grand Tetons into something more decent!

Image: funny-gifs-peek-a-boo.gif

156 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:01:33pm

re: #155 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Boobs made of marshmallows and jello. This is how I know all Japanese animators are virgins.

157 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:03:55pm

re: #156 Slumbering Behemoth

Boobs made of marshmallows and jello. This is how I know all Japanese animators are virgins.

[Link: www.abcb.com...]

158 Lidane  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:05:19pm

Oh, hey. Look at that. After a week filled with lots of talk about women's health issues, check out the Sunday talk show lineup:

ABC's "This Week" — Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.; Robert Gibbs, adviser to President Barack Obama's re-election campaign.

___

NBC's "Meet the Press" — Reps. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., and Chris Van Hollen, D-Md.

___

CBS' "Face the Nation" — GOP presidential candidate Rick Santorum.

___

CNN's "State of the Union" — GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul; Gov. Mitch Daniels, R-Ind.

___

Do we get an all-female panel somewhere to talk about Viagra and Cialis, or maybe treatments for prostate cancer?

159 blueraven  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:05:49pm

re: #71 freetoken

Yes, they want to be the ones doing the commanding:

Note: the facts are not on their side. Drilling has been up all during the Obama administration, as has US crude petroleum production.

The idiots like Santorum want people to believe that by increasing demand for oil that gasoline prices will go down.

These people who worship the "free market" are hypocrites to their own (frankly, idolatrous) religion.

US refined oil exports were larger than ever last year. We have plenty of refined oil, but we are exporting more than we should to meet our domestic demand. They can blame the oil companies, they can blame the free market, but stop blaming the President unless they want him to impose government control over oil exports.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

160 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:07:22pm

re: #158 Lidane

Oh, hey. Look at that. After a week filled with lots of talk about women's health issues, check out the Sunday talk show lineup:

Do we get an all-female panel somewhere to talk about Viagra and Cialis, or maybe treatments for prostate cancer?

Not only that but one Democrat. Hmmm.

161 Interesting Times  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:09:04pm

re: #158 Lidane

Do we get an all-female panel somewhere to talk about Viagra and Cialis, or maybe treatments for prostate cancer?

162 Lidane  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:10:00pm

re: #160 Gus

Not only that but one Democrat. Hmmm.

ZOMG! Librul media!

163 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:13:31pm

I think they should modify the law in Virginia to include urethral catheterization for the father. Doesn't have to be for long. Maybe 20 minutes will do. Just to check and make sure everything is right up there. Just a quick in and out with the surgical tubing.

//

164 prairiefire  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:14:04pm

re: #26 Oppressed White Male

This, along with his Ron Paul endorsement, makes me think he just doesn't understand racism and why it bothers others people so damn much.

I do think he has a strong reactionary, conservative streak. A British conservative could easily become a muddled American Libertarian.

165 freetoken  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:14:53pm

re: #159 blueraven

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

That article was part of the "smoke" of which I wrote. The way the WSJ phrased the article title is part of the problem.

The use of the words "fuel" and "oil" are often tied to dogma. That is why I prefer to use the more accurate terms such as "crude petroleum" and "refined products".

The US is still the worlds largest importer of energy that comes via liquids.

166 blueraven  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:23:28pm

re: #165 freetoken

That article was part of the "smoke" of which I wrote. The way the WSJ phrased the article title is part of the problem.

The use of the words "fuel" and "oil" are often tied to dogma. That is why I prefer to use the more accurate terms such as "crude petroleum" and "refined products".

The US is still the worlds largest importer of energy that comes via liquids.

Absolutely, and their only solution to high gas price is to "drill baby drill" which is stoopid, and does not help with gas prices when we are exporting as much refined fuel as we possibly can.

"It's the profit stupid"

167 Kragar  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:31:01pm

I love how censorship has become refusing to pay someone to spout shit on your own time.

168 freetoken  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:33:17pm

re: #166 blueraven

Gasoline prices are what they are in the US because that is what the market can bear.

Ironically, as Americans use less gasoline - either by driving less or using more efficient vehicles - the refiners know they have ready markets elsewhere.

This is what Jon Huntsman tried to interject into the Clown Car Circus, to no avail (as expected) - that Americans operate in an international market, a world tightly connected.

The hyper-individualism of the tea partiers and the glibertarians is running aground on the reality of a world that grows smaller day by day.

169 Lidane  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:41:40pm

re: #168 freetoken

The hyper-individualism of the tea partiers and the glibertarians is running aground on the reality of a world that grows smaller day by day.

I keep trying to explain that to the Paulbots I know. They don't understand that the world has completely changed and that Luap Nor's ideas are just as much of an outdated relic as he is.

170 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:42:12pm

Good night all.

171 CuriousLurker  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:42:44pm

OT Drive-by post:

Tiny Hippo and the Tiny Train ;)

~~~gone~~~

172 Lidane  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:48:14pm

The Freepers are predictable in their reaction to the Paul Babeu story:

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

173 prairiefire  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:48:18pm

re: #171 CuriousLurker

Good night, CL!

174 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:49:32pm

re: #168 freetoken

Gasoline prices are what they are in the US because that is what the market can bear.

Ironically, as Americans use less gasoline - either by driving less or using more efficient vehicles - the refiners know they have ready markets elsewhere.

This is what Jon Huntsman tried to interject into the Clown Car Circus, to no avail (as expected) - that Americans operate in an international market, a world tightly connected.

The hyper-individualism of the tea partiers and the glibertarians is running aground on the reality of a world that grows smaller day by day.

This is hilarious. Couple of charts.

Here's a gasoline price chart from the Speaker of the House (Boehner) titled Skyrocketing Gas Prices Under the Obama Administration

Now here's a generic chart from 2000-2011

You can see the rise began immediately following 9/11 and continued to "spike" or rise up until the very day of the market crash of 2008. Its climb is corollary with the recovery.

175 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:51:22pm

Here's one from 1920 to 2007.

Image: nytimes_gasoline_price.jpg

176 freetoken  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:51:24pm

re: #174 Gus

Boehner is betting on the average American being innumerate.

It's a good bet.

177 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:51:49pm

re: #176 freetoken

Boehner is betting on the average American being innumerate.

It's a good bet.

Yeah. Apparently the world didn't begin until 2009.

178 Lidane  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:52:28pm

re: #176 freetoken

Boehner is betting on the average American being innumerate.

It's a good bet.

Considering that most of his party base is stupid enough to think that the POTUS has any input at all on oil and gas prices, then yeah. It's a safe bet.

179 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:53:18pm

So adjusted for inflation you're asking for 1940s prices at 2.50 a gallon.

180 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:53:45pm

Or parts of the 20s and 30s.

181 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:57:42pm

Still remember when gas above $2/gal drew accusations of price gouging. Now we sit around, praying we'll one day see $2.50/gal gas again.

It's sad how quickly we can get used to the "new normal."

182 freetoken  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 9:59:15pm

re: #179 Gus

So adjusted for inflation you're asking for 1940s prices at 2.50 a gallon.

It's more profound than that.

To get an insight into what is going on, we need to look at what fraction of one's annual income goes into transportation, and what portion of that is for fuel.

Back in the 20's, most Americans were not buying gasoline. Or if they had a car which used gasoline then they didn't buy gasoline often. And a car and gasoline were tantamount to a luxury.

Boehner, besides counting on innumeracy, knows that people have very, very short term memories and likewise short term horizons.

183 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 10:02:17pm

re: #181 Targetpractice

SB: "Remember when The Overlords used to just stick the needles into us, rather than first heating them up to flesh searing temperatures like the do now"?

TP: "Yup. I wish we could go back to that".

184 freetoken  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 10:02:27pm

Both sets of my grandparents were farmers.

They farmed with horses.

Yes, really. Or, at least they started with horses and moved to mechanized farming later in life.

My mother still remembers the hitching posts at her school house... though by the time she was in school they weren't used much anymore.

Automobiles are ideal vanities. They appeal to the young to express independence from their parents, and to the middle aged to express social status to their peers.

185 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 10:02:59pm

re: #181 Targetpractice

Still remember when gas above $2/gal drew accusations of price gouging. Now we sit around, praying we'll one day see $2.50/gal gas again.

It's sad how quickly we can get used to the "new normal."

Price of crude goes up they raise gasoline prices. That's expected. But they raise it so much that they end up making profits regardless. Even with driving miles going down. Which obviously means they're over-compensating and taking advantage of the particular crisis which might affect crude.

186 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 10:04:01pm

re: #184 freetoken

Too me, they just express an ability to get my mom or grandma to their doctor's appointments and what not.

187 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 10:06:05pm

re: #185 Gus

Price of crude goes up they raise gasoline prices. That's expected. But they raise it so much that they end up making profits regardless. Even with driving miles going down. Which obviously means they're over-compensating and taking advantage of the particular crisis which might affect crude.

It's not simply that, but also the reality that we're no longer the biggest economy on the block. China and India are modernizing like mad, which means a greater thirst for oil and petroleum-based products. We cut back our usage, they pick up the slack. Not to mention rampant speculation, which we've still not done anything to discourage, for fear that we'll harm the recovery.

188 freetoken  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 10:06:22pm

re: #186 Slumbering Behemoth

Like nearly all Americans, you are now part of a landscape where owning an automobile is required for daily tasks. Lots of reasons for this, but the dispersal of the population over a greater area greatly increases the requirement for transportation.

189 prairiefire  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 10:16:19pm

re: #184 freetoken

My grandma and great aunt had to do the plowing at times as young girls. Hard work! I appreciate the vault into the 21st Century. I'm not going back. I think the GOP has lost about 12% of voter support, just this week.

190 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 10:18:47pm

re: #188 freetoken

Cars are about utility for me. Point A, Point B, blah blah blah. I don't invest much of my identity in them, but me and those who depend on me would be fucked without one.

I did have a car I once loved. I let the insurance lapse because I needed the money to make some repairs on her. Wasn't drivable anyway, so why not?

Shortly after I finished those repairs, it was stolen and stripped. The assholes didn't even have the common fucking curtsey to take the parts I spent so much time and money installing.

191 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 10:26:48pm

re: #188 freetoken

Like nearly all Americans, you are now part of a landscape where owning an automobile is required for daily tasks. Lots of reasons for this, but the dispersal of the population over a greater area greatly increases the requirement for transportation.

Well. Does DST add to nationwide mileage? If you add one hour "after work" to peoples' lives that also add another hour of people driving around, well, basically, fucking off and driving to places instead of going home when it gets dark.

192 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 10:30:43pm

re: #190 Slumbering Behemoth

common fucking curtsey

I hate you, spellcheck

193 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 10:31:03pm

re: #192 Slumbering Behemoth

I hate you, spellcheck

I know I bowed.

194 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 10:34:06pm

Gus802 is calling to repeal daylight savings time! Sound the alarms! Grab the bag of Cheetos! Derp.

Yep. Apparently I also still have the stomach flu too. Irgh.

195 freetoken  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 10:41:30pm

And now, a message from your government:

Health For The Americas: Planning for Good Eating (1946)

196 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 10:46:34pm

Splodey head news?

NASCAR cancels 'General Lee' parade lap

NASCAR and track officials canceled plans to have golfer Bubba Watson drive the car from the television series "The Dukes of Hazzard" at Phoenix International Raceway because of concerns about a negative reaction to an image of the Confederate flag.

Watson was scheduled to drive the 1969 Dodge Charger, known as the "General Lee," on a parade lap before the March 4 race at Phoenix. The car has a large Confederate flag on its roof, just as it did when it appeared on the show.

"The image of the Confederate flag is not something that should play an official role in our sport as we continue to reach out to new fans and make NASCAR more inclusive," NASCAR spokesman David Higdon said in a statement on Friday.

197 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 10:48:11pm

re: #196 Gus

Splodey head news?

NASCAR cancels 'General Lee' parade lap

They're trying to take the redneck out of NASCAR. Good luck with that.

198 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 10:50:30pm

re: #197 Targetpractice

They're trying to take the redneck out of NASCAR. Good luck with that.

Well. No one can say that NASCAR isn't trying. I don't mean about the redneck part but the Confederate stuff.

199 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 10:54:12pm

re: #198 Gus

Well. No one can say that NASCAR isn't trying. I don't mean about the redneck part but the Confederate stuff.

Grown up around rednecks most of my life, believe me, they believe it when they say that they view it as part of their "heritage." I have an uncle that's participated more than once in the reenactment of the Battle of Mill Springs. And practically every guy's first truck has the "Stars & Bars' somewhere on it.

200 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 10:54:59pm

Cool birthmark, or...

Best. Birthmark. Evar.

201 prairiefire  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 10:55:59pm

re: #200 Slumbering Behemoth

Eww, it's on her iris?

202 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 10:57:32pm

re: #200 Slumbering Behemoth

Cool birthmark, or...

Best. Birthmark. Evar.

Just needs one on the other iris and she can claim she's a Betazoid.

/

203 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 10:59:19pm

re: #200 Slumbering Behemoth

Cool birthmark, or...

Best. Birthmark. Evar.

NCIS LA

204 freetoken  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:07:17pm

Oh, for the good ol' days of politics...

Hell-Bent For Election (1944)

205 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:14:08pm

re: #203 Gus

I caught an episode of that recently. Bored as shit with nothing to do, sue me.

The whole time I'm thinking "Am I drunk, or is there something up with that chick's eye". So I looked it up. Turns out both were true.

206 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:14:53pm

re: #201 prairiefire

Yup. I think it looks cool.

207 Four More Tears  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:17:46pm

re: #205 Slumbering Behemoth

I caught an episode of that recently. Bored as shit with nothing to do, sue me.

The whole time I'm thinking "Am I drunk, or is there something up with that chick's eye". So I looked it up. Turns out both were true.

I can't tell the difference between those procedural shows half the time.

208 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:21:47pm

re: #207 Oppressed White Male

I like to watch Bones occasionally. Not sure why.

209 freetoken  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:23:28pm

And now a real classic, with song by Cab Calloway:

Betty Boop: Snow White (1933)

210 boxhead  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:30:24pm

re: #203 Gus

NCIS LA

My brother-in-law works on that show. Alas, I have never seen it.

So is it the back iris you are referring to? very cool...

211 Gus  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:34:49pm

re: #210 boxhead

My brother-in-law works on that show. Alas, I have never seen it.

So is it the back iris you are referring to? very cool...

I thought it was just one eye being hazel and the other black. Saw the show a few times at first. Being I was a fan of the original NCIS you know that's a tough sell.

212 boxhead  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:38:15pm

re: #211 Gus

cool... I have not seen the original either... :)

213 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:41:01pm

re: #212 boxhead

cool... I have not seen the original either... :)

NCIS is a pretty good show..

214 prairiefire  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:41:35pm

re: #209 freetoken

And now a real classic, with song by Cab Calloway:

Betty Boop: Snow White (1933)

I have watched some old Betty Boop's that were quite surreal. I wondered if the artists were smoking opium or doing dope.

215 boxhead  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:47:52pm

re: #213 The Hoopster

I am watching an older Iron Chef America right now. The Ace of Cakes, Duff vs Symon.

216 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:50:12pm

re: #211 Gus

I watch that one occasionally. Better than the "LA" spinoff, I think.

I just don't watch a lot of television. Not because I'm "cool" or "home schooled", or whatever. I just constantly forget there might be something interesting to watch.

"In today's entertainment news... After eight months of ratings success, hit show blah blah blah was officially canceled by network blah blah blah this week".

Me: "Wait. What? I was gonna watch that".

217 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:53:02pm

re: #215 boxhead

I am watching an older Iron Chef America right now. The Ace of Cakes, Duff vs Symon.

I'm watching the ending of the outlaw Josie Wales..
I'm still winding down from the Saturday night dance...It was pretty fun tonight

218 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:53:56pm

re: #214 prairiefire

¿Porque no los dos?

219 boxhead  Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:59:59pm

re: #217 The Hoopster

I'm watching the ending of the outlaw Josie Wales..
I'm still winding down from the Saturday night dance...It was pretty fun tonight

good movie...... The other day I finally watched Good Bad Ugly from start to finish in one sitting. "Heeey, Blondie!"

Saturday Night Fever? heheh....

220 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:08:15am

re: #219 boxhead

"Fist Full of Dollars" and "For a Few Dollars More" are also required watching.

This is my favorite scene of all three, for the music and the way it helps build the tension of the scene.

221 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:08:17am

Blech. Freaking someone using European Union Times website as a news source on Twitter. Hello!

Racist Skinhead’s Wife Behind European ‘News’ Website

The online news site European Union Times (EUT) — which recently “broke” a story about President Obama preparing for an imminent civil war — is being cited as a credible source by several libertarian bloggers who are hyping the story.

It turns out the EUT was created in October and is registered to the wife of a racist skinhead gang member who was involved in a bizarre stabbing incident last month.

The story began on Dec. 9 when the EUT reported that Obama has ordered 200,000 troops to be redeployed to the U.S. Northern Command in preparation for a civil war within the United States before the end of winter...

222 Digital Display  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:09:04am

re: #219 boxhead

good movie... The other day I finally watched Good Bad Ugly from start to finish in one sitting. "Heeey, Blondie!"

Saturday Night Fever? heheh...

I've always liked dancing..But till they moved me Oklahoma I hadn't really done country dancing much. Now I can do a 2 step and line dancing.
You know the girls in Oklahoma are pretty cool..They are fun and friendly and love to teach you to dance on the floor..

223 boxhead  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:12:05am

re: #220 Slumbering Behemoth

"Fist Full of Dollars" and "For a Few Dollars More" are also required watching.

This is my favorite scene of all three, for the music and the way it helps build the tension of the scene.

I agree on the movies and hell YEAH, that music was perfect... Of course High Plains Drifter was way cool as well.

224 boxhead  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:13:12am

re: #222 The Hoopster

I've always liked dancing..But till they moved me Oklahoma I hadn't really done country dancing much. Now I can do a 2 step and line dancing.
You know the girls in Oklahoma are pretty cool..They are fun and friendly and love to teach you to dance on the floor..

I updinged you for being brave and doing line dancing... LOL

225 freetoken  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:15:43am

re: #220 Slumbering Behemoth

226 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:18:40am
227 boxhead  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:23:39am

re: #226 Slumbering Behemoth

Ennio Morricone is a fooking genius.

ahh yes... grave yard scene i believe...

228 freetoken  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:25:28am

The Ecstasy of Gold:

229 prairiefire  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:26:41am

re: #218 Slumbering Behemoth

Apparently "Sympatico" is a huge email cache, or I would try for a witty response.[Link: www.ehow.com...]

230 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:31:51am

re: #225 freetoken

When I was a young teen, me and a buddy went to see this action/horror film.

When some alien/demon/whatever got blasted, and there was that slight pause between annihilation and the next bit of dialog, my buddy loudly whistled a perfect "Aiee aiee ahhh, wah wah wah". The entire theater busted out laughing.

231 freetoken  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:33:43am

re: #220 Slumbering Behemoth

This is my favorite scene of all three, for the music and the way it helps build the tension of the scene.

"La Resa Dei Conti"

232 Lidane  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:34:44am

Since western films are a topic, I just watched this tonight:

It's basically Yojimbo, Django, the Man With No Name films, and War of the Roses combined, and directed by Takashi Miike.

I saw it and I'm still not sure if I liked it. I'm going to have to think about it for a while.

233 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:35:51am

Time to inspect that back of my eyelids.

'Night.

234 boxhead  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:42:24am

re: #230 Slumbering Behemoth

When I was a young teen, me and a buddy went to see this action/horror film.

When some alien/demon/whatever got blasted, and there was that slight pause between annihilation and the next bit of dialog, my buddy loudly whistled a perfect "Aiee aiee ahhh, wah wah wah". The entire theater busted out laughing.

When I first read your post, from reason I thought of this..

'Ai! ai!' wailed Legolas. 'A Balrog! A Balrog is come!'

235 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:48:01am

re: #233 Gus

Which means it's time for me to inspect their fronts.

/yeah, I stare at you as you sleep...

236 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:51:33am

re: #232 Lidane

Must. Fucking. Watch.

Gimme!

237 Kragar  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 1:09:39am

Paul: U.S. "slipping into a fascist system"

Paul staged his rally near the nation's World War I museum, asserting that the U.S. got off track about 100 years ago during the era of President Woodrow Wilson, who led the nation through World War I and unsuccessfully advocated for the nation's involvement in a forerunner of the United Nations.

"We've slipped away from a true Republic," Paul said. "Now we're slipping into a fascist system where it's a combination of government and big business and authoritarian rule and the suppression of the individual rights of each and every American citizen."

Although campaign aides were aware, Paul told reporters after his speech that he did not know his rally was coinciding with long-established Missouri and Kansas Republican Party events, where Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell — a vice presidential prospect — was the keynote speaker.

Several Republicans slipped away from the banquets to join the Paul rally. Among them was Ralph Munyan, a Republican committeeman in Kansas City's home county, who said he agreed with Paul's warnings of a "fascist system" and his pledge to the end nation's involvement in wars overseas and against drugs.

"His foreign policy is one of peace," Munyan said.

238 freetoken  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 1:19:17am

re: #237 Kragar

Question is, which is melting faster: the GOP, or the Arctic sea ice?

My guess is the former.

239 boxhead  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 1:35:16am

re: #238 freetoken

Question is, which is melting faster: the GOP, or the Arctic sea ice?

My guess is the former.

And most likely worse for the USA. And I will put that at the feet of FOX and the Right Wing radio hosts. Put who is pulling their chains?

240 researchok  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 1:35:37am

Good morning, you godless heathens.
/

241 boxhead  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 1:37:38am

re: #240 researchok

Good morning, you godless heathens.
/

arrrrr good morn and fair winds to you...

242 researchok  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 1:41:13am

re: #240 researchok

I've got my AM music fix and coffee going.

Listening to FT's 231 now.

Love the drama

243 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 1:42:08am

re: #237 Kragar

Paul: U.S. "slipping into a fascist system"

"We've slipped away from a true Republic," Paul said. "Now we're slipping into a fascist system where it's a combination of government and big business and authoritarian rule and the suppression of the individual rights of each and every American citizen."

And Republicans have done more to encourage this than just about anyone else, as far as I can see.

244 dragonath  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 1:42:13am

re: #209 freetoken

I always thought Fleischer cartoons always had some of the most classy and iconic looking opening titles ever.

Popeye. An authentic nautical scene rendered in beautiful shades of gray ... a really cool folky theme song with a sing along chorus ... sliding doors that reveal the credits and close to the beat. It's dignified, it's exquisite... a living reminder that there actually was such a thing as a golden age of animation.

245 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 1:42:34am
246 boxhead  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 1:42:37am

re: #242 researchok

I've got my AM music fix and coffee going.

Listening to FT's 231 now.

Love the drama

lol... got my beer fix and ready for sleep now... :)

247 researchok  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 1:46:04am

re: #245 Director of the Stratosphere

Nice!

248 Digital Display  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 1:47:09am

re: #240 researchok

Good morning, you godless heathens.
/

Crap I thought everybody went to bed cause the thread is dead at 3:30am and..It's about time for bed for me also..
What the hell
So I might be smitten with someone..We have gotten to know each other for the last month or so..We danced tonight..
She is a tall cute redhead that is really awesome...I love the way she dresses.. Total stylish and she is a professional working for the state.
We seem to hit it off.. Any way she dresses with clothes and jelwery like Paris or Montreal or SF.. Just classy...And I love her soul and spirit..
We have had fun together..
This is why it's almost 4am and I can't sleep

249 researchok  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 1:50:19am

re: #248 The Hoopster

Outstanding!

No feeling like it.

I hope it flies for you.

250 researchok  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 1:51:48am

re: #225 freetoken

Another good catch of the genre.

I feel the saddle sores.
/

251 researchok  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 1:52:45am

re: #245 Director of the Stratosphere

And just so we're clear, I will not waltz with you.
//

252 researchok  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 1:54:58am

re: #248 The Hoopster

You ought to call and tell her that.

Even if it means waking her up (though she might be unable to sleep as well!)

Those special women need to know just how memorable they are- and love hearing it.

253 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 2:02:38am

re: #251 researchok

And just so we're clear, I will not waltz with you.
//

8(

254 Digital Display  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 2:03:30am

re: #249 researchok

Outstanding!

No feeling like it.

I hope it flies for you.

I know! we seem to have so many like interests..She sings great, Tall Athletic... We laugh...You know that laugh..joy, inside jokes, making fun of certain people laughing together at a table..We have talked serious stuff and it feels comfortable....I guess it's time to ask her out to dinner..So far it has been with other friends around .. A real date..To the freaking most expensive joint I can find in OKC...Then find a nightclub in Bricktown with live music....

255 researchok  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 2:06:56am

re: #254 The Hoopster

Or, you can go out for an cream, stop at a bakery and buy a couple of decadent desserts....

Sky's the limit.

Sometimes you make a bigger impression outside the box.

256 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 2:08:14am

just getting back to lgf after some days away...

msnbc is a business.

it made a business decision to terminate pat buchannan's employment.

why do pat and dana hate capitalism? we're supposed to like to be able to fire people!!!

257 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 2:11:59am

re: #256 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

It's a secret appendix to the 1st amendment, known only to socons. "The right of conservatives to promote their views anywhere they like shall not be abridged."

258 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 2:15:58am
259 Digital Display  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 2:19:08am

re: #255 researchok

Or, you can go out for an cream, stop at a bakery and buy a couple of decadent desserts...

Sky's the limit.

You may be on to something.. Think I'll ask her out for a lunch on the West Side..Much more comfortable.. But.. I am a very very picky eater.. No shit desserts or ice cream shops..She is into healthy food so food is a great common ground for us...It's now almost 4:30am I I'm not sleepy at all..Crap!

260 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 2:19:12am

re: #257 Director of the Stratosphere

It's a secret appendix to the 1st amendment, known only to socons. "The right of conservatives to promote their views anywhere they like shall not be abridged."

and "the right of religious fanatics to impose their interpretation of their choice of scripture on America shall not be restricted the least"

261 researchok  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 2:19:31am

re: #258 Director of the Stratosphere

Who is that? Great guitar player

262 researchok  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 2:21:40am

re: #259 The Hoopster

OK- How about a trip to the local farmer's market? Spend some time walking around, plan a meal or two based on what looks good

And then some natural ice cream. You aren't that picky
/

263 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 2:26:41am

re: #261 researchok

Who is that? Great guitar player

Orchestra of Goskino SSSR.

264 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 2:46:20am

re: #258 Director of the Stratosphere

[Video]

sounded like film music...

265 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 2:49:03am

re: #232 Lidane

Since western films are a topic, I just watched this tonight:

[Video]It's basically Yojimbo, Django, the Man With No Name films, and War of the Roses combined, and directed by Takashi Miike.

I saw it and I'm still not sure if I liked it. I'm going to have to think about it for a while.

Interesting audience reviews on Netflix; the majority are either five-star or one-star.

Sounds very much like a love it or hate it movie.

266 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 3:03:23am

re: #181 Targetpractice

Still remember when gas above $2/gal drew accusations of price gouging. Now we sit around, praying we'll one day see $2.50/gal gas again.

It's sad how quickly we can get used to the "new normal."

High gas prices will help the GOP: it will hit the people hardest at the bottom of the income ladder, where a larger proportion of their income goes for gas & groceries.

And it will allow them to lay the blame on Obama for not doing more to promote domestic (i.e. Canadian) production, more offshore drilling and more tar-sands exploitation.

Pressure on Iran will keep up tensions there, which will also help to keep crude prices peaking, at least until November.

267 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 3:13:53am

Morning all!

Someone is going to hell for taking this picture. Tempting Feline Overlord Fate is not wise.

How is everyone?

268 Kragar  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 3:15:06am

re: #267 ggt

Morning all!

Someone is going to hell for taking this picture. Tempting Feline Overlord Fate is not wise.

How is everyone?

No linky

269 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 3:16:12am

Critics of the Federal Safety Net are using more and more of it.

NY Times article.

270 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 3:17:07am

re: #268 Kragar

No linky

try again. I fixted it.

271 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 3:18:20am

I shot the Sheriff, but I did not shoot the deputy:

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]


These guys just keep giving it up, and we enjoy no end of fun laughing at them for it.

272 Kragar  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 3:23:46am
273 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 3:25:51am

karmaderived from the Sanskrit root kr meaning to do, to make. The work karma means action, work, and deed. Only secondarily does karma refer to the result of past deeds, which are more properly known as the phalam or fruit of action.

274 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 3:47:31am

Fine!

I killed the thread.

275 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 3:54:36am

it was your karma, dude...

276 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 4:06:08am

I'm going back to bed.

Insomnia AND morning suck!

:0

277 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 4:07:00am

re: #276 ggt

I'm going back to bed.

Insomnia AND morning suck!

:0

morning suck-ness...

278 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 4:13:39am

re: #266 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Toldja:

279 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 4:50:15am
280 Lidane  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 4:58:04am

re: #236 Slumbering Behemoth

Must. Fucking. Watch.

Gimme!

Netflix streaming has it.

281 Lidane  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 5:04:07am

Oh, and I love being woken up suddenly when my cat decides to throw up in my bed. Ugh.

All the sheets are now in the washer. I'm going to go back to bed and try to sleep some more.

282 William of Orange  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 5:46:34am

That's a new one for me.


I didn't know that working as an contributor on MSNBC was a first amendment right!

283 KronoGhazi  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 5:48:14am

Whiny Conservative seems to be a constantly reinforced stereotype. Good job Dana.

284 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 5:52:13am

re: #281 Lidane

Oh, and I love being woken up suddenly when my cat decides to throw up in my bed. Ugh.

All the sheets are now in the washer. I'm going to go back to bed and try to sleep some more.

Been there, had that done to me, except that it was human baby, not cat.

285 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:00:42am

re: #282 William of Orange

That's a new one for me.

I didn't know that working as an contributor on MSNBC was a first amendment right!

msnbc is a business.

they made a business decision.

we like being able to fire people!

286 Flounder  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:03:41am

My cats are trained carpet barfers.

287 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:28:00am

Another installment from the never ending race to the bottom saga:

Rick Santorum accused President Obama of requiring free prenatal testing in the health care plan he signed in 2010 because it would detect if children were disabled, encourage more abortions and save money.

"One of the things that you don't know about ObamaCare in one of the mandates is they require free prenatal testing," Santorum began telling about 400 people here. "Why? Because free prenatal testing ends up in more abortions and, therefore, less care that has to be done, because we cull the ranks of the disabled in our society. That too is part of ObamaCare -- another hidden message as to what president Obama thinks of those who are less able than the elites who want to govern our country."

Up until now, I gave credit to Santorum, because even though th's a total shit, he didn't seem to be exploiting his daughter's illness for political expediency.

No longer.


[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

288 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:40:14am

re: #287 Talking Point Detective

once again: offering it is seen as tanamount to encouraging it.

289 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:44:15am

re: #287 Talking Point Detective

Another installment from the never ending race to the bottom saga:

Up until now, I gave credit to Santorum, because even though th's a total shit, he didn't seem to be exploiting his daughter's illness for political expediency.

No longer.

[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

That's because Rick Santorum doesn't want women (or couples) making health decisions for themselves. He would rather they be kept ignorant for the sake of his own personal moral comfort with no regard to others moral and mortal values. Instead he would prefer that some women proceed with a pregnancy that could, hypothetically speaking, lead to the mother's death instead of which been prevented, or mitigated towards prevention, through the aid of prenatal-screening. In fact, as the included link to the Mayo Clinic reveals, prenatal testing can also be utilized for the health of not only the mother but the child:

Some prenatal tests detect problems that can be treated while you're pregnant. In other cases, prenatal testing alerts your health care provider to a condition that requires immediate treatment after birth.

290 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:47:49am

Rick Santorum: Republican front runner and ignoramus extraordinaire.

291 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:48:08am

re: #287 Talking Point Detective

To give someone credit for not doing the obviously bad thing is a bit much for me.

292 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:49:22am

Your first prenatal visit - March of Dimes

During your first prenatal visit, your health care provider will check your blood and urine for the following:

• Conditions that could harm your baby (for example, hepatitis B, syphilis and possibly other sexually transmitted infections). You will be offered a test to see if you carry HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.

• Antibodies that show whether or not you are immune to rubella (German measles) and chickenpox , both of which can cause birth defects if the mother is infected for the first time during pregnancy.

• Anemia (low red blood cell count), which could cause you to feel especially tired and possibly increase your risk of preterm delivery.

• Your blood type, including whether you carry a protein called the Rh factor on your red blood cells. Women who lack the Rh factor are said to be Rh negative and usually need treatment to protect their babies from a potentially dangerous blood problem.

• Bacteria in your urine. Up to 10 percent of pregnant women have bacteria in their urine, which indicates a urinary tract infection. Most have no symptoms, but even a symptomless urinary tract infection may spread upwards to the kidneys, where it can pose a serious risk to mother and baby. Urinary tract infections are treated with antibiotics that are safe for mother and baby.

• Sugar in your urine. This can be a sign of diabetes. Your health care provider may suggest additional tests if sugar shows up in your urine.

• Protein in your urine. This can indicate a urinary tract infection or, later in pregnancy, a pregnancy-related condition that includes high blood pressure. Your health care provider may suggest additional tests if your urine has protein in it.

293 KronoGhazi  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:49:39am

re: #290 Gus

RSick SRantorum: Republican front runner and ignoramus extraordinaire.

FIFY

294 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:57:10am

re: #292 Gus

Your first prenatal visit - March of Dimes

You will be checked for the presence of a fetus in you womb. You will be encouraged to kill it so you can continue the irresponsible, dissolute sexual lifestyle that led to you getting pregnant in the first place.

/

295 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:00:17am

re: #294 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

You will be checked for the presence of a fetus in you womb. You will be encouraged to kill it so you can continue the irresponsible, dissolute sexual lifestyle that led to you getting pregnant in the first place.

/

Absolutely. The Great Rick Santorum says as much. It is written.

Onward, Stepford women, marching as to war...

296 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:01:45am

Tough crowd this morning. ;)

//

297 Sionainn  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:09:35am

re: #294 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

You will be checked for the presence of a fetus in you womb. You will be encouraged to kill it so you can continue the irresponsible, dissolute sexual lifestyle that led to you getting pregnant in the first place.

/

I'm beginning to think that that's exactly what Rick Santorum thinks. Against prenatal screening? He really is an idiot who doesn't need to be anywhere near any seat of power.

298 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:22:56am

It's time to bring back the phrase: male chauvinist pig.

Ex. Rick Santorum is a male chauvinist pig.

299 Sionainn  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:28:37am

Looks like my google has been hijacked. I've already run Malwarebytes Antimalware and SuperAntispyware and picked up some trojans to get rid of, but the google issue is still there. Any suggestions on what else I can run? I'd google it, but google doesn't work. LOL.

300 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:28:38am

re: #298 Gus

It's time to bring back the phrase: male chauvinist pig.

Ex. Rick Santorum is a male chauvinist pig.

Don't insult pigs.

301 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:28:41am

Here's a good one.

Morris Davis
@ColMorrisDavis

Gitmo chief prosecutor 2005-07, now an anti-torture & humanitarian law advocate / nat’l security & military law commentator. Faculty@Howard Univ. School of Law.
Washington, DC, area

302 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:29:14am

re: #298 Gus
That is an excellent example. I wish I could up ding that more than once.

303 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:29:31am

re: #297 Sionainn

I'm beginning to think that that's exactly what Rick Santorum thinks. Against prenatal screening? He really is an idiot who doesn't need to be anywhere near any seat of power.

Hee sees the very act of offering contraception, prenatal screening or abortions as tanamount to encouraging those activities.

There is no room for freedom of choice if he disagrees with those choices.

304 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:29:35am

re: #301 Gus

Here's a good one.

Morris Davis
@ColMorrisDavis

Good in who Tweeted it.

305 What, me worry?  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:30:59am

re: #140 jaunte

Fixed:
Wasilla High Covers Art Because it Looks Like Girl Parts

Sorry I missed that one last night. I'm assuming they don't eat Papaya in Wasilla? Oh, excuse me, Fruta de Bomba.

Image: Papaya%20Solo%20.jpeg.jpg

Cubans refer to "papaya" as a woman's bits. I had a g/f who was dating this Cuban fellow and she told me how much she liked ordering papaya juice when they went to Cuban restaurants. She played "ignorant gringa" but it would embarrass the hellouta him which she enjoyed immensely.

306 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:31:35am

re: #302 PhillyPretzel

That is an excellent example. I wish I could up ding that more than once.

Yeah, I was starting to have flash backs about Bobby Riggs versus Billie Jean King. Phyllis Schlafly's head was popping in from the ceiling. Rick Santorum, a step back in time we thought was long forgotten. And he's the front runner? Gadzooks stab me with a spork now.

307 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:31:48am

Pro-Putin pre-election symbol - VV - reminds me of something.

Image: s640x480.jpg

308 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:33:29am

re: #307 Your ad could be here.

Pro-Putin pre-election symbol - VV - reminds me of something.

Image: s640x480.jpg

Oliver Stone?

//

309 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:33:58am

re: #308 Gus

Basically.

310 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:34:47am

re: #309 Your ad could be here.

Basically.

W

311 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:43:29am

Interesting how when I use the #GOP hashtag on Twitter it seems to attract pron spam followers.

312 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:45:17am

re: #307 Your ad could be here.

Pro-Putin pre-election symbol - VV - reminds me of something.

Image: s640x480.jpg

So is Putin attractive to the gang banger/bling wannabes over there?

313 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:46:16am

The Pu-Tang Clan?

314 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:47:27am

re: #312 Gus

So is Putin attractive to the gang banger/bling wannabes over there?

It's another phenomenon, but, let's say, "something like that".

315 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:51:18am

re: #312 Gus

So is Putin attractive to the gang banger/bling wannabes over there?

I think he is tryng to appeal to those who see themselves as modern, young, rich, hip and urban.

316 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:51:29am

re: #296 Gus

Tough crowd this morning. ;)

//

The target encourages it.

317 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:51:57am

Santorum, I mean.

318 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:56:33am

re: #315 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

I think he is tryng to appeal to those who see themselves as modern, young, rich, hip and urban.

Yeah. A lot of pseudo hyper-masculinity, cheap cologne (think AXE), a BMW, and a Youtube video of them doing 150 MPH during rush hour.

Image: Chav-Putin_280_876201a.jpg

319 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:57:08am

I just cracked myself up.

//

320 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:59:23am
321 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:00:41am

re: #320 Gus

Yesterday motorists protested for Putin. ;)

322 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:01:26am

re: #320 Gus

Boobs or gtfo!

323 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:03:05am

re: #322 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Boobs or gtfo!

That's in the Ukraine.

324 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:03:20am

Rick Santorum's role model?


Why can't a woman be more like a man?

325 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:03:31am

re: #323 Gus

That's in the Ukraine.

I don't see your point.
/

326 Tigger2005  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:04:02am

re: #127 Interesting Times

I just found something that almost reads like the Page you can't bring yourself to write:

Why the demise of civilisation may be inevitable

While I'm not saying such a thing couldn't happen (in fact, it probably will), I also think these theoreticians are overlooking the widespread dissemination of knowledge in the modern world. In the past, knowledge was confined within crafts and guilds, and written books were very rare. If a lot of craftsmen or guildsmen died (in war or disease) and written records were destroyed, and communication was disrupted, then knowledge was simply lost, so it took a long time to climb back from the hard times. Still, Europe in the Dark Ages after the fall of Rome didn't simply revert to savagery. Many structures of civilization remained and were adapted to the new situation.

A "collapse" in modern times, assuming a nuclear war doesn't result from the chaos, might not last as long. Communications could be restored fairly quickly, as could localized electric power. There would still be lots of libraries, info stored on discs. In such a crisis, you might see a return of respect for learning. So yes, it would definitely be hell, and things would be changed forever, but I don't know if you would see a thousand year Dark Age. Although I could be wrong!

327 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:04:47am

re: #299 Sionainn

Looks like my google has been hijacked. I've already run Malwarebytes Antimalware and SuperAntispyware and picked up some trojans to get rid of, but the google issue is still there. Any suggestions on what else I can run? I'd google it, but google doesn't work. LOL.

um, what happens when you try to go to google? What browser (and if you've more than one, does it matter if you try another browser?)

328 labman57  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:07:07am

Once again, right wingers display their fundamental ignorance of the U.S. Constitution.
The First Amendment states that the government cannot infringe on your right to free speech. It does not state that a news media network must permit you do to so on their broadcasts.

329 Sionainn  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:08:58am

re: #327 kirkspencer

um, what happens when you try to go to google? What browser (and if you've more than one, does it matter if you try another browser?)

I'm using Firefox. I don't have IE and can't load IE on the computer. I got some virus/trojan a few months back and now I can't load IE.

When I try to google something, I get directed to other pages.

330 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:09:58am

re: #299 Sionainn

Looks like my google has been hijacked. I've already run Malwarebytes Antimalware and SuperAntispyware and picked up some trojans to get rid of, but the google issue is still there. Any suggestions on what else I can run? I'd google it, but google doesn't work. LOL.

Try Spybot Search and Destroy

First run "Check for problems" and then "Immunize."

331 teresa  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:10:02am

So Dana Loesch wouldn't call for the firing of anyone? Hmm, but the dude she works for calls for the firing of regular people often, like a woman named Shirley Sherrod, remember her. He wanted her fired, so he hired his favorite idiot to set her up and doctor some video, so that he could get his wish.

Pat will land on his feet no doubt, he always does. Cnn fired him long ago. But Dana doesn't care about a regular person like Shirley Sherrod does she, who was forced to resign because her buddy/employer the ever toxic drunken Breitbart wanted to ruin Ms. Sherrods life. Loesch is just fine with that, cause federal employees are fair game in her eyes, but Pat Buchanan should not be held accountable, ever.

332 What, me worry?  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:13:25am

re: #311 Gus

Interesting how when I use the #GOP hashtag on Twitter it seems to attract pron spam followers.

Is that what it is??? I had 5 nekkid people following me this morning!

333 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:15:33am

Might also want to try this.

[Link: support.kaspersky.com...]

334 Sionainn  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:16:09am

re: #330 Gus

Try Spybot Search and Destroy

First run "Check for problems" and then "Immunize."

Thanks for the suggestion and the link so I can actually get to it. I'm downloading it now.

335 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:18:01am

re: #332 marjoriemoon

Is that what it is??? I had 5 nekkid people following me this morning!

Happens all the time. I think. Usually when I Tweet to #gop. Some other people mentioned this last week.

336 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:19:31am

re: #329 Sionainn

I'm using Firefox. I don't have IE and can't load IE on the computer. I got some virus/trojan a few months back and now I can't load IE.

When I try to google something, I get directed to other pages.

If you're running a M$ operating system (xp, win7, whatever) and you cannot load and run IE, you have a major problem hiding under your present problem. It is significant enough that my recommendation is to not bother patching and go for a full restart. that is, make sure you have installation disks available, format the drives, and reinstall everything. (The data that is "yours" can be put on separate drives or burned to disks before the format, but be aware you might have to throw it all away.)

Once your system is back, fully patched, all antivirus stuff running, scan (with at least two av systems) the data you set aside.

Yes, that's all drastic, but like I said if you're running a windows system and you can't run IE, you have a major problem. If you take it to computer guru he or she might be able to fix it. Maybe, and after a LOT of hours of work and testing.

337 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:20:03am

re: #332 marjoriemoon

Is that what it is??? I had 5 nekkid people following me this morning!

If those don't work try this one:

Free Virus Scan - Kaspersky Lab

Sometimes you have to hit it with different products. I tried several once when I had malware installed. That was a nightmare. In the end the winner was Kaspersky, Spybot SD, and some Vundo fix.

338 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:21:08am

re: #337 Gus

If those don't work try this one:

Free Virus Scan - Kaspersky Lab

Sometimes you have to hit it with different products. I tried several once when I had malware installed. That was a nightmare. In the end the winner was Kaspersky, Spybot SD, and some Vundo fix.

At the time McAfee didn't discover a thing. I never install anything with the name Norton or Symantec anymore.

339 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:21:49am

Lol, McAfee and Norton.

340 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:22:35am

re: #299 Sionainn

Looks like my google has been hijacked. I've already run Malwarebytes Antimalware and SuperAntispyware and picked up some trojans to get rid of, but the google issue is still there. Any suggestions on what else I can run? I'd google it, but google doesn't work. LOL.

What did you do to get hacked?

341 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:27:39am

re: #339 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Lol, McAfee and Norton.

Image: Norton-Sucks.gif

342 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:31:01am
343 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:31:31am

re: #340 Look At My Grandbaby!

What did you do to get hacked?

She bought a computer!

/

344 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:31:55am

Yep. The Queen.

Coming up next. Joe the Plumber and his views on the Israel-Palestine conflict.

//

345 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:37:20am

re: #344 Gus
Bet she thinks 10 Downing Street is just another address. /

346 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:43:01am

re: #345 PhillyPretzel

Bet she thinks 10 Downing Street is just another address. /

Vice. President. Sarah. Palin.

Whew. That was close.

347 erik_t  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:44:26am

re: #346 Gus

Vice. President. Sarah. Palin.

Whew. That was close.

And let's face it, she could have been more. It's hard to watch the superaging that happens to presidents and not think that John McCain might no longer be with us in his highest office.

348 Sionainn  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:46:26am

re: #336 kirkspencer

If you're running a M$ operating system (xp, win7, whatever) and you cannot load and run IE, you have a major problem hiding under your present problem. It is significant enough that my recommendation is to not bother patching and go for a full restart. that is, make sure you have installation disks available, format the drives, and reinstall everything. (The data that is "yours" can be put on separate drives or burned to disks before the format, but be aware you might have to throw it all away.)

Once your system is back, fully patched, all antivirus stuff running, scan (with at least two av systems) the data you set aside.

Yes, that's all drastic, but like I said if you're running a windows system and you can't run IE, you have a major problem. If you take it to computer guru he or she might be able to fix it. Maybe, and after a LOT of hours of work and testing.

I really, really, really didn't want to hear that.

349 Sionainn  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:47:38am

re: #340 Look At My Grandbaby!

What did you do to get hacked?

I've got no clue. My husband wants to know how I end up with all this stuff, too.

350 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:47:48am

re: #291 Your ad could be here.

To give someone credit for not doing the obviously bad thing is a bit much for me.

I can understand that - but in the reality of partisan politics, I consider expecting anything more than not doing the obviously bad is expecting far more than what you'll get. Probably on both sides of the aisle - but certainly from the Republican side of the aisle.

351 What, me worry?  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:52:27am

re: #338 Gus

At the time McAfee didn't discover a thing. I never install anything with the name Norton or Symantec anymore.

Oddly enough, I seem to get it when I use the #mtp hashtag which I do on Sunday mornings. But I also did some #GOP-ing so who knows. But it's just on the Twitter so I don't think spam blockers could help with that.

352 Stanghazi  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:53:27am

re: #349 Sionainn

I've got no clue. My husband wants to know how I end up with all this stuff, too.

One thing I will pass on that was suggested to me from Windupbird is to install Microsoft Security Essentials. That's all I have and crap cleaner.

No problems for over a year because of it.

353 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:53:43am

re: #351 marjoriemoon

Oddly enough, I seem to get it when I use the #mtp hashtag which I do on Sunday mornings. But I also did some #GOP-ing so who knows. But it's just on the Twitter so I don't think spam blockers could help with that.

Yeah, it's not that big a deal for me. I just "block and report as spam." As for the other idiots they're a different story if you know what I mean.

354 What, me worry?  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:54:35am

re: #353 Gus

Yeah, it's not that big a deal for me. I just "block and report as spam." As for the other idiots they're a different story if you know what I mean.

Indeed I do! It's just a pain.

355 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:57:14am

re: #343 sattv4u2

She bought a computer!

/

I have found, having a wife, that spammers/hackers really go for fake knitting/cooking/decorating type sites that us men never know about.

After all, who is going to put malware on a knitting site?//

356 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:58:17am

re: #355 Red Sea Desjardini Tang

I have found, having a wife, that spammers/hackers really go for fake knitting/cooking/decorating type sites that us men never know about.

After all, who is going to put malware on a knitting site?//

Are you just needling me about this?
Or is that another of your yarns??

357 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:59:25am

re: #348 Sionainn

I really, really, really didn't want to hear that.

Nobody does, really.

Look, Gus is giving good patching advice, and what I'd suggest that way isn't significantly different. I might suggest going to safe mode to run a couple of AV programs, but basically using what he's told you already will catch most of the redirect problems you're suffering.

But you have a problem, and unless/until you fix that problem you're going to have a host of unnecessary secondary annoyances and problems.

358 What, me worry?  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:59:59am

re: #356 sattv4u2

Are you just needling me about this?

He's just trying to keep you in stitches.

359 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:01:57am

Splodey heads...

CNN Contributor Dana Loesch Defends Virginia State-Sponsored Rape Bill As No Different Than Consensual Sex | ThinkProgress

CNN contributor and Andrew Breitbart blogger Dana Loesch, however, sees no problem with a law that effectively legalizes state-sponsored rape, saying the procedure is no different than penetration that occurred during consensual intercourse that “resulted in the pregnancy,” as Little Green Footballs reported...

360 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:02:27am

re: #358 marjoriemoon

He's just trying to keep you in stitches.

So funny, I split my croch-et laughing

361 What, me worry?  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:04:01am

re: #360 sattv4u2

So funny, I split my croch-et laughing

LOL Now you're just knit-picking!

362 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:04:16am

re: #356 sattv4u2

Are you just needling me about this?
Or is that another of your yarns??

Prick yourself.

363 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:04:46am
364 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:05:35am

re: #359 Gus

As who reported? I don't know such blog./

365 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:07:00am

re: #362 Red Sea Desjardini Tang

Prick yourself.

Is that what you kids are calling in now-a-days

For that matter,, thats what ALL kids called it ALL days!!!

366 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:07:02am

No kidding I am watching "Knit and Crochet Now" on PBS.

367 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:07:40am

re: #366 PhillyPretzel

No kidding I am watching "Knit and Crochet Now" on PBS.

So basically, you're telling us you have no life or friends!

368 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:07:50am

re: #299 Sionainn

Looks like my google has been hijacked. I've already run Malwarebytes Antimalware and SuperAntispyware and picked up some trojans to get rid of, but the google issue is still there. Any suggestions on what else I can run? I'd google it, but google doesn't work. LOL.

What do you mean google doesn't work? Can you describe your problem?

Anyway, try running DrWeb CureIt:

[Link: www.freedrweb.com...]

369 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:07:59am

I started this site late last night.

Since then there are 129,000 more people on the planet.

The Lord will provide

370 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:09:24am

Oh brother.

[Link: twitter.com...]

This happened in early August last year. These boobs are Tweeting it like it happened today.

371 KronoGhazi  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:09:51am

I'm sure Dana Loesch would love to be fired from CNN. The loss of $ would be a pittance compared to the Victimization Cred. I would not be surprised if she's pushing buttons to further that end.

372 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:10:09am

re: #367 sattv4u2
Do you understand the concept of taking a day off? I do very little on my days off.

373 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:11:26am

re: #366 PhillyPretzel

No kidding I am watching "Knit and Crochet Now" on PBS.

You have no idea what's out there until you get a web enabled TV.

374 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:13:21am

re: #372 PhillyPretzel

Do you understand the concept of taking a day off? I do very little on my days off.

I seem to vaguely recall having one of those once

375 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:13:54am

re: #373 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
I enjoy my "old fashioned" TV. PBS has a lot of good stuff.

376 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:14:17am

Krogers Private Selection Fire Roasted Vegetable Marble Hearth Baked (frozen) Pizza


feh!

377 William of Orange  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:15:20am

Need more proof that Santorum is possessed by the devil??

With the Republican presidential primary still bitterly contested between the four remaining candidates, every last endorsement counts — especially the crucial support of the Big Four of thrash metal: Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, and Anthrax. Megadeth's Dave Mustaine has come out in support of Rick Santorum.

Via Gawker.

378 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:16:27am

re: #375 PhillyPretzel

I enjoy my "old fashioned" TV. PBS has a lot of good stuff.

Image: old-tv-set.jpg

I hear you can get one that shows the pictures in color now!

379 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:17:59am

re: #378 sattv4u2
I have color TV.

380 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:18:51am

re: #379 PhillyPretzel

I have color TV.

I'm not talking about the cabinet it's in!!

//

381 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:20:42am

re: #380 sattv4u2
LOL. It is a Panasonic with "gasp" AV connections for a VCR or DTV box.

382 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:23:42am

re: #381 PhillyPretzel

LOL. It is a Panasonic with "gasp" AV connections for a VCR or DTV box.

Great

Now all you have to do is get rid of the 8-track player in your car!!!

383 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:24:34am

Following Lidane's post above.

Sunday talk show tip sheet

Guests include:

House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.)
Democrat, Maryland Rep. Chris Van Hollen
Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad (D-N.D.).
Former Sen. Rick Santorum
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.)
House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.).
Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas)
Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.)
Republican Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels
Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz
Retired Air Force Gen. Michael Hayden
Edward Walker, a former U.S. ambassador to Egypt and Israel
Sen. John McCain
Former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs
House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton
California Attorney General Kamala Harris

2 out of 16 are women. And 1 of the 2 women is none other than Michele Bachmann. 10 of the 16 are Republicans.

384 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:26:33am

re: #382 sattv4u2
I do not have a car. My dad has a CD player in his Subaru. :)

385 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:28:10am

re: #383 Gus

I just briefly noticed the half governor on CNN spouting all the usual indignation about the unprecedented powers of the president, which none have ever had before, and so on.

386 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:30:03am

re: #385 Red Sea Desjardini Tang

I just briefly noticed the half governor on CNN spouting all the usual indignation about the unprecedented powers of the president, which none have ever had before, and so on.

Apparently Obama is a magician of sorts with powers undetected by most humans.

387 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:30:24am

re: #383 Gus

They must be out defending religious liberty.

388 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:35:40am

re: #387 jaunte

They must be out defending religious liberty.

That reminds me I need to do my daily part in my "war on Christians." No wait. I already re-Tweeted Dawkins regarding a Faircloth interview on separation of church and state.

Take that Christians! I re-Tweet thee with my mortars of Fairclothian rayguns! Who's laughing now! Hahhahaha!

No wait. Seperation of church and state isn't about one religion. Damn it.

389 KronoGhazi  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:42:25am

re: #385 Red Sea Desjardini Tang

I just briefly noticed the half governor on CNN spouting all the usual indignation about the unprecedented powers of the president, which none have ever had before, and so on.

AKA: The Lamestream Governor

390 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:43:03am

Jonathan Alter:

Republicans are Unprotected on Contraception

...contraception is now the elephant in the bedroom — the issue that no one in the Republican establishment wants to talk about because they know it’s a disaster for them.

The Republicans may end up with a nominee, Rick Santorum, who has warned of “the dangers of contraception in this country.” He said: “It’s not OK because it’s a license to do things in the sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”

This from a candidate who recently said of the president: “He thinks he knows better how to run your lives.”

Imagine what Obama would do with that in a debate.

Instead of running away from Santorum, many Republicans are running toward him — once again, failing to get the memo on when to stop. Senator Scott Brown co-sponsored a bill this week with Senator Roy Blunt that would let any employer with a “moral conviction” (a term left undefined in the legislation) deny access to any health service, including contraception, they personally oppose. This weapon is aimed at Obamacare, but it will probably boomerang on Brown, who is locked in a tight re- election campaign in Massachusetts against Elizabeth Warren.

391 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:47:13am

re: #390 jaunte

Now I'm even happier that I'm volunteering for Warren.

392 Lidane  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:48:10am

re: #287 Talking Point Detective

[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

Like I've said, Torquemada in a sweater vest.

Pre-natal screenings are a GOOD thing. They help discover problems for both mother and child while the pregnancy is developing. If complications occur, the doctors can intervene and help so the baby and the mother will be healthy. If something goes horribly wrong, like an ectopic pregnancy, they will know about it.

He wants people to live in the Dark Ages, since that's where he is. Screw that. This is 2012. We need a POTUS that's smarter than that.

393 Lidane  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:59:05am

We clearly have different definitions of "pro-woman" --


Bachmann: GOP Is 'Extremely Pro-Woman'

CNN's Candy Crowley asked Rep. Michele Bachmann about the recent debate over an all-male panel discussing the new contraception rule. In reponse to the panel, Democrats have cried foul, accusing Republicans of excluding women from a conversation about their health. As Rep. Carolyn Maloney put it, "Where are the women?"

"The Republican Party is extremely pro-woman," Bachmann responded. Bachmann argued instead that the new contraception rule was showing people Obamacare in "3D," showing us new aspects of the law.

Yes, because all the slut-shaming that the GOP engages in, with their invasive ultrasound laws and their denunciations of birth control is totally pro-woman. Really.

394 allegro  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:59:38am

There is an excellent article on Kos that applies Santorum's truly evil beliefs to reality:

His view of birth control is that it permits people to "do whatever [they] want to do without the responsibility that comes with it." His objection, therefore, is rooted in moral censure: people in his view should not be permitted, and indeed prevented, from behaving "irresponsibly" by engaging in non-procreative sex. Because that's what the deprivation of birth control entails. Santorum doesn't qualify or limit his core beliefs to Americans. He's too broad-minded for that. His beliefs apply to everyone. They apply to the world. As a practical matter, then, Santorum's "genuine beliefs" taken to their logical conclusion leave the entirety of humanity with two choices: either not have sex at all, or have sex only to produce babies.
...
With a few exceptions, every single one of Santorum's proposals (set forth above) deals with regulating sexual activity, and in particular, eliminating efforts to moderate childbirths. His personal "beliefs" about birth control are eminently clear. The question therefore becomes at what point does Santorum take responsibility for the ultimate consequences of his beliefs?

Image: santorum_doctrine.jpg

395 Stanghazi  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:01:58am

katherine @capecodgurl

Santorum is revealing himself..he is THAT guy who burnt the witches at Salem..& by witches ladies, I mean us.

396 Sionainn  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:05:33am

re: #368 Your ad could be here.

What do you mean google doesn't work? Can you describe your problem?

Anyway, try running DrWeb CureIt:

[Link: www.freedrweb.com...]

When I google something, I get a list of hits. If I click on any of them, they redirect me to other sites having nothing to do with the google search.

397 KronoGhazi  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:06:45am

re: #393 Lidane

We clearly have different definitions of "pro-woman" --


Bachmann: GOP Is 'Extremely Pro-Woman'

Yes, because all the slut-shaming that the GOP engages in, with their invasive ultrasound laws and their denunciations of birth control is totally pro-woman. Really.

GOP is pro woman just like a cattle farmer is pro cow or a fisherman is pro tuna.

398 allegro  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:06:56am

re: #395 2012. Birth Control is NOT a political issue.

katherine @capecodgurl

Santorum is revealing himself..he is THAT guy who burnt the witches at Salem..& by witches ladies, I mean us.

What I'm seeing as quite revealing is that Ricky does not like having sex - at least not with a woman. It's increasingly clear that he has never found it enjoyable in the least. It's just plain icky for him so that he's "forced" into it so his wife will risk her life to have more babies to make him look like a virile man and good christian soldier.

Cree-eeepy.

399 Lidane  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:07:18am
400 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:08:34am

re: #399 Lidane

"When you have a world view that elevates the earth above man and says we can't take those resources because we're going to harm the earth by things that frankly are just not scientifically proven, like for example the politicization of the whole global warming debate - this is all an attempt to centralize power anhid give more power to the government," Santorum said on CBS Sunday. "This is not questioning the president's beliefs in Christianity, I'm talking about the belief that man should be in charge of the earth."

401 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:09:24am

Fucking aye!

[Laughs]

403 allegro  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:10:13am

re: #400 Gus

"This is not questioning the president's beliefs in Christianity, I'm talking about the belief that man should be in charge of the earth."

Because we've done such a great job with that.

//

404 erik_t  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:10:14am

re: #400 Gus

"When you have a world view that elevates the earth above man and says we can't take those resources because we're going to harm the earth by things that frankly are just not scientifically proven, like for example the politicization of the whole global warming debate - this is all an attempt to centralize power anhid give more power to the government," Santorum said on CBS Sunday. "This is not questioning the president's beliefs in Christianity, I'm talking about the belief that man should be in charge of the earth."

This man might creep me out more than Crazy-Eyes Bachmann. I didn't know that was possible.

406 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:10:54am

re: #400 Gus

Why is the concept of not being wasteful, destructive assholes so offensive to these fuckers? Do they think that we need to use up all the earth's resources so God will declare Game Over and they'll get their score or something?

407 Lidane  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:11:08am

re: #404 erik_t

This man might creep me out more than Crazy-Eyes Bachmann. I didn't know that was possible.

And he's the current GOP front-runner. That should creep people out even more.

408 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:11:39am

OK. Slow down folks. I can only give one up ding at at time. ;)

//

409 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:12:04am

re: #400 Gus

"When you have a world view that elevates the earth above man and says we can't take those resources because we're going to harm the earth by things that frankly are just not scientifically proven, like for example the politicization of the whole global warming debate - this is all an attempt to centralize power anhid give more power to the government," Santorum said on CBS Sunday. "This is not questioning the president's beliefs in Christianity, I'm talking about the belief that man should be in charge of the earth."

re: #404 erik_t

This man might creep me out more than Crazy-Eyes Bachmann. I didn't know that was possible.

This, my friends, is Dominionism writ large.

410 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:12:59am

re: #406 Obdicut

Why is the concept of not being wasteful, destructive assholes so offensive to these fuckers? Do they think that we need to use up all the earth's resources so God will declare Game Over and they'll get their score or something?

He's contradicting himself at the same time.

411 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:13:41am

re: #328 labman57

Once again, right wingers display their fundamental ignorance of the U.S. Constitution.
The First Amendment states that the government cannot infringe on your right to free speech. It does not state that a news media network must permit you do to so on their broadcasts.

Simple confusion. They forgot that they have not quite implemented their program of making corporations officially the government by finishing privatizing it. Once that is achieved than a corporation firing someone would be a violation of their civil rights. (Though at that point I'm sure there would be further amendments made that would probably cover that more to their liking.)
//

412 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:14:16am

Gallup:
Santorum Surges to Tie Romney

The Republican presidential race is now a 32% to 30% statistical tie between Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum, in Gallup interviewing conducted wholly after Santorum's victories in the Feb. 7 nominating contests.

413 Stanghazi  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:14:59am

re: #402 Your ad could be here.

Pro-Putin
Anti-Putin

What's going on?

414 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:15:12am

re: #405 Lidane

Cantor Can’t Explain Why Americans Oppose GOP Agenda

"I've got it! Let's add more derp!"

415 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:15:30am

re: #406 Obdicut

Why is the concept of not being wasteful, destructive assholes so offensive to these fuckers? Do they think that we need to use up all the earth's resources so God will declare Game Over and they'll get their score or something?

Yes, I think some of them do. Wars over dwindling resources could trigger Armageddon, which leads to the Rapture, the Tribulation, and so on. The hardcore "faithful" thinks they'll get what they want, which is them in Heaven and everyone else is screwed.

I just can't wrap my head around that logic, because there is none.

416 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:15:35am

re: #405 Lidane

Cantor Can’t Explain Why Americans Oppose GOP Agenda

It's kind of funny. Their bullshit is finally failing them, and they're at a loss. All they have is bullshit. They don't have any actual accomplishments, real plans, functional goals, they don't have anything, and so when they're told people are on to them all they can do is turn the propaganda knob up further and hope against hope that unlimited campaign dollars will be successful.

But as much as I hate Citizens United and other campaign finance fucker, it looks like we're actually reaching the limits of propaganda.

I wonder how much gets spent every year on propaganda in the US? How much money gets wasted trying to convince people of lies? I mean, if you include product advertising, it's obviously huge, but just sticking with "This that are true about the observable world", we still have an amazing amount of money being spent to bullshit people.

417 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:16:09am

re: #414 BongCrodny

"I've got it! Let's add more derp!"

Needs more graphics:
Image: vapro.png

418 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:19:00am

re: #416 Obdicut

It's kind of funny. Their bullshit is finally failing them, and they're at a loss. All they have is bullshit. They don't have any actual accomplishments, real plans, functional goals, they don't have anything, and so when they're told people are on to them all they can do is turn the propaganda knob up further and hope against hope that unlimited campaign dollars will be successful.

But as much as I hate Citizens United and other campaign finance fucker, it looks like we're actually reaching the limits of propaganda.

I wonder how much gets spent every year on propaganda in the US? How much money gets wasted trying to convince people of lies? I mean, if you include product advertising, it's obviously huge, but just sticking with "This that are true about the observable world", we still have an amazing amount of money being spent to bullshit people.

Hopefully, there is a law of diminishing returns on political crap.

419 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:20:16am

re: #393 Lidane

We clearly have different definitions of "pro-woman" --


Bachmann: GOP Is 'Extremely Pro-Woman'

Yes, because all the slut-shaming that the GOP engages in, with their invasive ultrasound laws and their denunciations of birth control is totally pro-woman. Really.

That's because in the GOP the term "woman" has been redefined. The ones they are affecting with their legislation are WINOs.

420 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:22:27am

re: #396 Sionainn

When I google something, I get a list of hits. If I click on any of them, they redirect me to other sites having nothing to do with the google search.

Try downloading MS malicious software removal tool

I presume you have tried removing and reinstalling your browser, whatever it is.

421 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:23:26am

re: #419 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

That's because in the GOP the term "woman" has been redefined. The ones they are affecting with their legislation are WINOs.

I see what you did there...

422 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:23:26am

re: #417 jaunte

Needs more graphics:
Image: vapro.png

Help! It's like having a dream that you're a woman and being on the exam chair with the stirrups up as the doctor slow approaches you; the long chrome ultrasound rapier like probe appears from the darkness and when the doctor comes into view you realize it's Mitch McConnell...

[SCREAM!]

423 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:23:55am

D. James Kennedy, Pastor of Coral Ridge Ministries:
"Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost. As the vice regents of God, we are to exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors – in short, over every aspect and institution of human society”

424 erik_t  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:24:15am

re: #419 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

That's because in the GOP the term "woman" has been redefined. The ones they are affecting with their legislation are WINOs.

The ones writing their legislation are winos.

425 blueraven  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:25:40am

re: #423 jaunte

D. James Kennedy, Pastor of Coral Ridge Ministries:
"Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost. As the vice regents of God, we are to exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors – in short, over every aspect and institution of human society”

Whoa! WTF?!!

426 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:26:05am

Dear Moron Santorum,

God won't clean-up Chernobyl and neither will it clean-up after itself.

If you have any questions feel free to contact me.

Sincerely,

Gus

427 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:26:23am
428 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:26:39am

re: #423 jaunte

D. James Kennedy, Pastor of Coral Ridge Ministries:
"Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost. As the vice regents of God, we are to exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors – in short, over every aspect and institution of human society”

Yet they have such a great organist. Oh, wait...

429 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:26:54am

Just got a threatening email from the Heartland Institute, demanding that I delete all my posts about their leaked documents, and publish a retraction, and muttering darkly about "civil actions" against everyone who wrote anything about them.

430 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:27:03am

re: #425 blueraven

This is what some of the major backers of Santorum believe.

431 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:27:45am

re: #416 Obdicut

Yes, along with Bachmann on CNN was another recognized crony who I can't remember the name of. He was asked to explain the GOP position in light of the polls showing popular support for birth control and prescription coverage. All he could say was "I don't know about that", and then "this is not about contraception it is about religious freedom".

If anyone doubts the existence of parallel universes, the proof is in the GOP.

432 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:27:59am

re: #429 Charles Johnson

Just got a threatening email from the Heartland Institute, demanding that I delete all my posts about their leaked documents, and publish a retraction, and muttering darkly about "civil actions" against everyone who wrote anything about them.

But I thought they said they were, um, fake... ;)

433 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:28:01am

Normally I do not watch sports but this golf shot and where is landed is funny. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

434 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:28:05am

re: #429 Charles Johnson

Just got a threatening email from the Heartland Institute, demanding that I delete all my posts about their leaked documents, and publish a retraction, and muttering darkly about "civil actions" against everyone who wrote anything about them.

So,
1) Deny
2) Bully
3) ???
4) Profit!!

435 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:28:15am

re: #423 jaunte

D. James Kennedy, Pastor of Coral Ridge Ministries:
"Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost. As the vice regents of God, we are to exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors – in short, over every aspect and institution of human society”

Change one word and the problem with this becomes obvious. Specifically:

"Our job is to reclaim America for Muhammed, whatever the cost. As the vice regents of God, we are to exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors – in short, over every aspect and institution of human society”

436 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:28:47am

re: #432 Gus

But I thought they said they were, um, fake... ;)

THEY ARE!
SO...uh...
...
GODDAMMIT!!!

437 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:29:04am

re: #429 Charles Johnson

Just got a threatening email from the Heartland Institute, demanding that I delete all my posts about their leaked documents, and publish a retraction, and muttering darkly about "civil actions" against everyone who wrote anything about them.

So, are you going to post it?

438 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:29:07am

Tell them to put it in writing. Not an email.

439 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:29:45am

re: #429 Charles Johnson

On what grounds?

440 erik_t  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:30:19am

re: #439 Obdicut

On what grounds?

Hurt fee-fees.

441 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:30:26am

Heartland Institute showing their true scumbag self.

442 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:30:29am

re: #426 Gus

Dear Moron Santorum,

I will clean-up your mess in Chernobyl and neither will it clean-up after itself in about 50,000 years.

If you have any questions feel free to contact me.

Sincerely,

GusGod

443 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:31:18am

re: #439 Obdicut

On what grounds?

Obviously that since LGF is an irrelevant site the pages and comments about it are using up precious storage space and electrons that can use used for other more valuable purposes.

Like comments on FOX.
///

444 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:31:41am

re: #442 Red Sea Desjardini Tang

At least 50K. Best we can do is contain it.

445 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:32:58am

re: #429 Charles Johnson

To: Heartland Institute
Re: "Leaked" Strategy Papers

Kindly go pound sand, please.

Regards,
Me

446 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:33:12am

re: #429 Charles Johnson

Just got a threatening email from the Heartland Institute, demanding that I delete all my posts about their leaked documents, and publish a retraction, and muttering darkly about "civil actions" against everyone who wrote anything about them.

If I tell them to fuck off, will that get me on their shit list?

These guys should hire the Scientologists. They have all the experience about suing critics.

448 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:33:58am

re: #437 kirkspencer

I've been asking various heartland supporters what the crime is. What crime has been committed on which action can be based?

It's important to remember, before chasing the answer, that the organization is a 501(c)(3) organization. As such, many of the trade secret arguments that would normally protect such documents don't exist.

449 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:35:18am

re: #429 Charles Johnson

Just got a threatening email from the Heartland Institute, demanding that I delete all my posts about their leaked documents, and publish a retraction, and muttering darkly about "civil actions" against everyone who wrote anything about them.

I know it would be a pain in the ass for you, but I hope that they sue somebody over it.

Because then that person would get to use the discovery phase.

450 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:36:05am

re: #429 Charles Johnson

Have you been given the legal advise that it's ok to publish the letter in a thread yet?

451 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:36:55am

re: #449 Obdicut

I know it would be a pain in the ass for you, but I hope that they sue somebody over it.

Because then that person would get to use the discovery phase.

Which is exactly why it'd never get anywhere near a courtroom, because discovery would put a lot of their crap in the public record.

452 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:39:09am

re: #429 Charles Johnson

Just got a threatening email from the Heartland Institute, demanding that I delete all my posts about their leaked documents, and publish a retraction, and muttering darkly about "civil actions" against everyone who wrote anything about them.

That's because they never mentioned the leaked IPCC traffic.

[Link: news.heartland.org...]

453 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:40:29am

re: #429 Charles Johnson

Just got a threatening email from the Heartland Institute, demanding that I delete all my posts about their leaked documents, and publish a retraction, and muttering darkly about "civil actions" against everyone who wrote anything about them.

Freedom of speech!//

454 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:40:48am

re: #396 Sionainn

When I google something, I get a list of hits. If I click on any of them, they redirect me to other sites having nothing to do with the google search.

Also, check out

455 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:41:04am

re: #453 Your ad could be here.

Freedom of speech!//

Liburty!

Derp.

//

456 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:41:22am

I wonder how many emails they had to send out.
Leak exposes how Heartland Institute works to undermine climate science

457 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:41:54am

re: #432 Gus

But I thought they said they were, um, fake... ;)

They didn't.

458 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:42:35am

I see a long-lost soul ;)

459 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:43:49am

re: #457 Your ad could be here.

They didn't.

Are they that stupid? Do they honestly think lawsuits or threats are going to stop this now? In this age of anonymous, Wikileaks and the internet? They're going to fight a losing battle and all attempts from now on will merely appear as harassment.

460 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:44:12am

re: #458 Your ad could be here.

I see a long-lost soul ;)

Bullshit.
My soul is right where I left it.

461 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:44:43am

re: #460 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Bullshit.
My soul is right where I left it.

Chamber pot?/

462 allegro  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:45:27am

re: #447 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Dear Heartland: An Open Letter from Climate Scientists to Heartland re Stolen emails

So although we can agree that stealing documents and posting them online is not an acceptable practice, we would be remiss if we did not point out that the Heartland Institute has had no qualms about utilizing and distorting emails stolen from scientists.

So sorry, Heartland. You set the rules. Bummer that they are now biting your asses. Too late to call "foul" now.

463 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:45:46am

re: #459 Gus

Are they that stupid? Do they honestly think lawsuits or threats are going to stop this now? In this age of anonymous, Wikileaks and the internet? They're going to fight a losing battle and all attempts from now on will merely appear as harassment.

heh. Or this is going to be the starting wedge of a fund-raising campaign by them to their patrons for funds to fight these slanderous attacks against them and their cause.

464 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:46:03am

re: #460 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Bullshit.
My soul is right where I left it.

How dare you claim a right to your own soul. Don't you know who has dominion over your soul? Accept Him or burn in Hell you man.

That'll be 10 percent of your income please. Don't thank me.

//

465 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:46:34am

re: #459 Gus

Are they that stupid? Do they honestly think lawsuits or threats are going to stop this now? In this age of anonymous, Wikileaks and the internet? They're going to fight a losing battle and all attempts from now on will merely appear as harassment.

And desperation made of factual guilt.

466 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:46:37am

I don't think they can make this information go back into the box.
Heartland burned by 'DenialGate' memos

The Chicago-based Heartland Institute said Wednesday that at least one of the items — a two-page “Confidential Memo: 2012 Heartland Climate Strategy” — was "a total fake apparently intended to defame and discredit the group."

Some of the other documents “may have been altered,” the institute said in a statement issued nearly 24 hours after the documents were first posted online.

467 KronoGhazi  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:47:01am

re: #429 Charles Johnson

Just got a threatening email from the Heartland Institute, demanding that I delete all my posts about their leaked documents, and publish a retraction, and muttering darkly about "civil actions" against everyone who wrote anything about them.

FUCK OFF HEARTLAND.

468 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:47:04am

re: #432 Gus

But I thought they said they were, um, fake... ;)

Only one, and only the parts of it that are not supported by other documents in either this release or other materials publicly available.

469 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:48:11am
470 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:49:19am

Paging Anon, paging Anon: are you sleeping or what?
/

471 allegro  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:49:41am

re: #466 jaunte

The Chicago-based Heartland Institute said Wednesday that at least one of the items — a two-page “Confidential Memo: 2012 Heartland Climate Strategy” — was "a total fake truthful document apparently intended to defame and discredit the group, by revealing what underhanded propagandists and liars they really are."

fixed

472 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:51:38am

re: #429 Charles Johnson

Just got a threatening email from the Heartland Institute, demanding that I delete all my posts about their leaked documents, and publish a retraction, and muttering darkly about "civil actions" against everyone who wrote anything about them.

So everyone who sees the proverbial cat out of the bag is in big trouble if they write about it. Probably not legal geniuses writing that email to you.

473 KronoGhazi  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:51:44am

re: #449 Obdicut

I know it would be a pain in the ass for you, but I hope that they sue somebody over it.

Because then that person would get to use the discovery phase.

Oh yes, very much so. They're not very smart.

474 erik_t  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:51:54am

re: #468 kirkspencer

Only one, and only the parts of it that are not supported by other documents in either this release or other materials publicly available.

How much is fake?

Uh, well, before we answer that, uh, first... what else do you know?

475 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:51:58am

re: #471 allegro

If it's a fake - which is quite possible - it should not be used. No matter how accurate.

476 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:54:25am

This will be a hot topic when the GOP candidates have their science debate.
/// /// /// ///

477 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:55:39am

re: #475 Your ad could be here.

If it's a fake - which is quite possible - it should not be used. No matter how accurate.

I want it analyzed layer by layer.

478 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:55:47am

re: #475 Your ad could be here.

If it's a fake - which is quite possible - it should not be used. No matter how accurate.

It's not a very important piece of evidence, either, so it's not that big a deal to simply set it aside until veracity is proven.

479 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:57:14am

re: #477 Decatur Deb

I want it analyzed layer by layer.

Pervert. /

480 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:57:44am

re: #479 Your ad could be here.

Pervert. /

Want some candy?

481 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:58:32am

re: #480 Decatur Deb

Want some candy?

Sure.

482 KronoGhazi  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:58:35am
Myron Ebell, director of energy and global warming policy at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, said he didn’t see anything unusual in the information inside the materials purportedly from the Heartland Institute. Environmental groups also try to distribute climate science curriculum in schools, and it's quite common for groups to spell out high fundraising expectations headed into a new year, he said.

"We have memos like that too," Ebell said. "I don't think you'll find a difference between how groups on the left and groups on the right try to raise money."

Ebell also serves as chairman of the Cooler Heads Coalition, a group of climate skeptics that includes the Heartland Institute.

Hey, nothing bad there. It's all good, we're against science, they're for science.

483 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 10:59:29am

re: #423 jaunte

D. James Kennedy, Pastor of Coral Ridge Ministries:
"Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost. As the vice regents of God, we are to exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors – in short, over every aspect and institution of human society”

I'm looking forward to that. You just can't find good Christian porn these days.

484 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:01:46am

re: #480 Decatur Deb

Want some candy?

Thank you CNN.

//

485 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:02:22am

re: #483 BongCrodny

I'm looking forward to that. You just can't find good Christian porn these days.

[Link: www.televictim.com...]

Filmed procreation. Porn the way God intended.

/yes, it's satire

486 Sionainn  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:04:48am

re: #420 Red Sea Desjardini Tang

Try downloading MS malicious software removal tool

I presume you have tried removing and reinstalling your browser, whatever it is.

I'm running it now. No, I haven't removed Firefox and reinstalled.

487 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:05:09am

Lunchtime food for thought

So what if Rod Serling was right? And it could be proven with existing tech?

488 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:06:54am

re: #396 Sionainn

When I google something, I get a list of hits. If I click on any of them, they redirect me to other sites having nothing to do with the google search.

Trojan. If the tool you're running now doesn't help, try drweb, as per above.

489 What, me worry?  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:08:38am

re: #473 Kronocide

Oh yes, very much so. They're not very smart.

So you think Arianna got a copy of the scare letter, too?

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

490 allegro  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:12:18am

The demise of our culture as evidenced by the desperation of cable networks to provide programming. On tonight's TLC menu:

My Strange Addiction

Addicted to my breasts: tape eater. Profiling a woman who has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on breast augmentation, even though the implants have caused an infection; and a woman who can't stop eating adhesive tape.

Drinks Nail Polish; ear digger. A woman's family is worried about her five year habit of drinking nail polish; a woman is obsessed with cleaning her ears.

I wish I was making this up.

491 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:14:58am

re: #475 Your ad could be here.

If it's a fake - which is quite possible - it should not be used. No matter how accurate.

"is quite possible" is... I'm not certain. The claim regarding what's fake has changed several times.

It does not help their position that Heartland has lied in the past about what they were doing.

If it is fake, I agree it should not be used. At this point, however, I think Heartland must show, not just claim, it to be fake before the use is ended.

492 erik_t  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:15:30am

re: #490 allegro

There may not be a sadder fall from grace than TLC. The History Channel could devolve to Ancient Aliens 24/7 and not come close.

493 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:15:52am

Wait, it just dawned on me.

Charles got a cease and desist on SUNDAY?

494 Digital Display  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:16:08am

re: #490 allegro

The demise of our culture as evidenced by the desperation of cable networks to provide programming. On tonight's TLC menu:

I wish I was making this up.

The Boss summed it up nicely

495 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:16:20am

Attacks paid for by big business are 'driving science into a dark era'

...university and government researchers are hounded for arguing that rising carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere are changing the climate. Their emails are hacked while Facebook campaigns call for their dismissal from their posts, calls that are often backed by rightwing politicians. At the last Republican party debate in Florida, Rick Santorum insisted he should be the presidential nominee simply because he had cottoned on earlier than his rivals Newt Gingrich or Mitt Romney to the "hoax" of global warming.

"Those of us who grew up in the sixties, when we put men on the Moon, now have to watch as every Republican candidate for this year's presidential election denies the science behind climate change and evolution. That is a staggering state of affairs and it is very worrying," said Professor Naomi Oreskes, of the University of California, San Diego.

496 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:18:16am

re: #491 kirkspencer

"is quite possible" is... I'm not certain.

You're not certain about what, exactly? That it is possible that it is a fake? It is impossible that it is a fake? Can you defend this statement?

The claim regarding what's fake has changed several times.

Not to my knowledge. Can you elaborate?

It does not help their position that Heartland has lied in the past about what they were doing.

Nor does not hinder the possibility of fakery.

If it is fake, I agree it should not be used. At this point, however, I think Heartland must show, not just claim, it to be fake before the use is ended.

Quite the opposite, the burden of proof is always on the presenter of the leaks.

497 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:20:27am

re: #493 kirkspencer

Wait, it just dawned on me.

Charles got a cease and desist on SUNDAY?

I thought he got an e-mail on Sunday!

498 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:22:08am

re: #491 kirkspencer

"is quite possible" is... I'm not certain. The claim regarding what's fake has changed several times.

It does not help their position that Heartland has lied in the past about what they were doing.

If it is fake, I agree it should not be used. At this point, however, I think Heartland must show, not just claim, it to be fake before the use is ended.

What is telling is that they claim fake in part, not completely. That would be easy to set right if they were prepared to be open and honest about what they presumably believe, and release the original document along with any supporting ones. Obviously they believe they have something to hide.

499 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:22:47am

re: #493 kirkspencer

Wait, it just dawned on me.

Charles got a cease and desist on SUNDAY?

Yep. It was sent via Jim Lakely, who has an LGF account and got his ass handed to him in this thread: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

500 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:24:01am

re: #498 Red Sea Desjardini Tang

What is telling is that they claim fake in part, not completely. That would be easy to set right if they were prepared to be open and honest about what they presumably believe, and release the original document along with any supporting ones. Obviously they believe they have something to hide.

How can you release an original of a non-existent document?

501 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:25:00am

re: #490 allegro

The demise of our culture as evidenced by the desperation of cable networks to provide programming. On tonight's TLC menu:

I wish I was making this up.

Then there is the pretend wrestling on the syfy channel (why they changed from scifi I have no idea).

502 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:25:13am

re: #491 kirkspencer

"is quite possible" is... I'm not certain. The claim regarding what's fake has changed several times.

It does not help their position that Heartland has lied in the past about what they were doing.

If it is fake, I agree it should not be used. At this point, however, I think Heartland must show, not just claim, it to be fake before the use is ended.

I've been reading the claims that the Strategy paper is faked, and I am not convinced. They simply have not proven it. Is it possible that it's a fake? Maybe, but since Heartland has confirmed that the other documents are genuine, it seems very unlikely to me that there would be one fake among them.

503 Coracle  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:28:08am

re: #449 Obdicut

I know it would be a pain in the ass for you, but I hope that they sue somebody over it.

Because then that person would get to use the discovery phase.

Part of me hopes this will be the case, too. A Scopes Monkey Trial on climate change would be a unique opportunity - with concomitant risks.

504 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:28:53am

re: #500 Your ad could be here.

How can you release an original of a non-existent document?

I thought they claimed something had been "changed". Perhaps I am wrong.

Regardless, the fact that they are in a tizzy about a "fake" instead of simply explaining why it is incorrect, and perhaps proving so by other internal documents, tells me it is not fake in essence.

505 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:30:14am

re: #502 Charles Johnson

I've been reading the claims that the Strategy paper is faked, and I am not convinced. They simply have not proven it. Is it possible that it's a fake? Maybe, but since Heartland has confirmed that the other documents are genuine, it seems very unlikely to me that there would be one fake among them.

If there is a fake, it would be introduced by their anonymous source, for whatever purpose (e.g. provocation), so this is not in itself an argument for authenticity.

What is quite weird about the purported memo is both the date of its creation (scanned on Feb. 13 almost right before the release - even though supposedly there would be an electronic copy at hand) and some of the contents. E.g.:

Principals and teachers are heavily biased toward the alarmist perspective. To counter this we are
considering launching an effort to develop alternative materials for K-12 classrooms. We are
pursuing a proposal from Dr. David Wojick to produce a global warming curriculum for K-12
schools. Dr. Wojick is a consultant with the Office of Scientific and Technical Information at the
U.S. Department of Energy in the area of information and communication science. His effort will
focus on providing curriculum that shows that the topic of climate change is controversial and
uncertain - two key points that are effective at dissuading teachers from teaching science. We
tentatively plan to pay Dr. Wojick $100,000 for 20 modules in 2012, with funding pledged by
the Anonymous Donor.

Most deniers do not think of themselves as anti-science. Quite the opposite. And those who are in it only for money are still unlikely to put such words on paper.

No, this doesn't prove it's a fake, but it does make it suspicious.

506 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:31:58am

re: #504 Red Sea Desjardini Tang

I thought they claimed something had been "changed". Perhaps I am wrong.

Regardless, the fact that they are in a tizzy about a "fake" instead of simply explaining why it is incorrect, and perhaps proving so by other internal documents, tells me it is not fake in essence.

No, they claimed 1 document is a total fake, and they did not confirm the full integrity of other documents. They didn't claim they were changed, they only hinted about such a possibility before checking, which is reasonable.
Since a few days passed without further accusations of alterations, we can assume (for the time being) that the rest of the documents have not been altered.

507 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:35:14am

re: #505 Your ad could be here.

focus on providing curriculum that shows that the topic of climate change is controversial and
uncertain - two key points that are effective at dissuading teachers from teaching the science.

A simple typo perhaps, given what most would assume they mean by this statement. Just add "the".

508 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:35:53am

re: #507 Red Sea Desjardini Tang

A simple typo perhaps, given what most would assume they mean by this statement. Just add "the".

What does it matter? They don't think it's science at all.

509 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:36:59am

re: #496 Your ad could be here.

You're not certain about what, exactly? That it is possible that it is a fake? It is impossible that it is a fake? Can you defend this statement?

The specific word to which I object is "quite". "Quite" implies likelihood. I disagree at this time with the implication that it is likely to be a fake.

Not to my knowledge. Can you elaborate?

The original statement was that the strategy was a modified document, with additions and deletions that made it fake. Then Heartland released a statement that said the entire document was fake. Now they are saying that not only is the whole thing fake but parts of the other documents are fake.

Nor does not hinder the possibility of fakery.

You are correct, it does not. What it does, however, is allow reasonable doubt as to the truth of Heartland's claim that it is a fake.

Quite the opposite, the burden of proof is always on the presenter of the leaks.

Actually, no. The claim "it is a fake" is tantamount to a claim of libel; defamation by written word. The first requirement of proving libel is proving that the document is fake.

510 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:37:58am

re: #508 Your ad could be here.

What does it matter? They don't think it's science at all.

Yes they do, just flawed and manipulated. Besides, they misuse the word all the time.

511 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:38:22am

re: #505 Your ad could be here.

If there is a fake, it would be introduced by their anonymous source, for whatever purpose (e.g. provocation), so this is not in itself an argument for authenticity.

There also a security practice in some government and military agencies of mixing in "fake" documents with real ones. It helps track down where documents were stolen from by which "fake" was mixed in with the real stuff.

512 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:39:31am

re: #509 kirkspencer

The original statement was that the strategy was a modified document, with additions and deletions that made it fake. Then Heartland released a statement that said the entire document was fake. Now they are saying that not only is the whole thing fake but parts of the other documents are fake.

This shifting makes their claims hard to believe.

513 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:39:44am

re: #509 kirkspencer

The specific word to which I object is "quite". "Quite" implies likelihood. I disagree at this time with the implication that it is likely to be a fake.

OK.

The original statement was that the strategy was a modified document, with additions and deletions that made it fake. Then Heartland released a statement that said the entire document was fake. Now they are saying that not only is the whole thing fake but parts of the other documents are fake.

Sources for all of this? When did they ever claim the strategy was merely a modified document? When did they claim that parts of other documents are fake, as opposed to might be fake?

You are correct, it does not. What it does, however, is allow reasonable doubt as to the truth of Heartland's claim that it is a fake.

Sure, which no one doubted.

Actually, no. The claim "it is a fake" is tantamount to a claim of libel; defamation by written word. The first requirement of proving libel is proving that the document is fake.

Oh, let the anonymous leaker sue them for libel then. The burden of proof is still on the releasers.

514 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:39:50am

re: #499 Charles Johnson

Yep. It was sent via Jim Lakely, who has an LGF account and got his ass handed to him in this thread: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Ah. I thought some attorneys were involved, and billing extraordinary hours for weekend work.

515 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:40:39am

re: #513 Your ad could be here.

[snip]

Oh, let the anonymous leaker sue them for libel then. The burden of proof is still on the releasers.

Nope, you're missing the point. Heartland is the one claiming libel. It is on them to prove the document is fake.

516 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:40:44am

Communications director demoted to legal intern.

517 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:41:52am

re: #511 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

There also a security practice in some government and military agencies of mixing in "fake" documents with real ones. It helps track down where documents were stolen from by which "fake" was mixed in with the real stuff.

Heartland is not such an agency and I doubt they thought of a possibility of a leak. But anyway, if there was a fake specifically used as a marker, I would assume it wouldn't have been a prima facie damaging text, since any explanations as to its marker nature would sound too ad hoc.

So this hypothesis is not convincing.

518 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:42:32am

re: #515 kirkspencer

Nope, you're missing the point. Heartland is the one claiming libel. It is on them to prove the document is fake.

That's really not how it works. You can't just assume anything 'leaked' is real and valid. It may be, it may not be. I don't care if it's a leaked document showing something I know to be true-- it might still be entirely faked.

And I haven't seen them clam libel, yet, though they're now edging close to it.

519 enigma3535  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:43:00am

Charles:

Very precisely said.

Folks like Loesch probably understand the distinction between government protections on free speech, religious freedom and the fact that no single religion will be sponsored by the US government.

Facts and reality do not help the cause of people like Loesch or Buchanan … so they conflate issues in a manner that sells to their target audience … those that get most [if not all] of their original thoughts from sources that confirm and validate their world view.

Loesch’s point is no different then the meme that there is a “war on Christmas”. As if someone making a point that the nativity scene in front of city hall should not be there is equivalent to the local SWAT team breaking down one’s door on Christmas morning since one is celebrating some religious holiday.

Really? Seriously?

So lame.

520 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:43:03am

re: #515 kirkspencer

Nope, you're missing the point. Heartland is the one claiming libel. It is on them to prove the document is fake.

Maybe from the perspective of those who do believe it's a fake. From a perspective of someone who doesn't believe either side, the burden of proof is on the releaser.

521 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:44:03am

re: #510 Red Sea Desjardini Tang

Yes they do, just flawed and manipulated. Besides, they misuse the word all the time.

Too much ad hoc reasoning to remove suspicion.

522 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:44:42am

re: #501 Red Sea Desjardini Tang

Then there is the pretend wrestling on the syfy channel (why they changed from scifi I have no idea).

You can't register "scifi" as a trademark. You can register "syfy" as a trademark.

523 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:44:52am

re: #512 jaunte

This shifting makes their claims hard to believe.

But there was no shifting.

524 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:46:17am

re: #518 Obdicut

That's really not how it works. You can't just assume anything 'leaked' is real and valid. It may be, it may not be. I don't care if it's a leaked document showing something I know to be true-- it might still be entirely faked.

And I haven't seen them clam libel, yet, though they're now edging close to it.

If I may cite from Charles's earlier post:
re:

525 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:46:35am

re: #499 Charles Johnson

Yep. It was sent via Jim Lakely, who has an LGF account and got his ass handed to him in this thread: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I'm proud to say that I told him to fuck off.

:)

526 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:47:32am

Let me try that again with Charles's post.
re: #429 Charles Johnson

Just got a threatening email from the Heartland Institute, demanding that I delete all my posts about their leaked documents, and publish a retraction, and muttering darkly about "civil actions" against everyone who wrote anything about them.

that's an allegation of defamation, which for written is libel.

527 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:47:46am

re: #511 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

There also a security practice in some government and military agencies of mixing in "fake" documents with real ones. It helps track down where documents were stolen from by which "fake" was mixed in with the real stuff.

I've seen a few of those in our personnel files. Fake employee entries that can be used to trace someone leaking or hacking company files.

Which is a plausible explanation for this at first look. But then you ask yourself what sort of idiots would write such a policy document to use for this purpose.

528 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:47:50am

Hey all,

Hope you are having a great day.

Just a drive-by.

529 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:48:17am

re: #528 ggt

Hey all,

Hope you are having a great day.

Just a drive-by.

Your aim sucks.
/

530 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:49:25am

re: #527 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Besides, they would have already said it's such a special fake that means nothing. (Oh, they can't, because it would be unbelievable? My point exactly!)

531 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:49:37am

re: #523 Your ad could be here.

Someone stole the documents, and they were fakes.

If the second assertion is true, then why the first?

532 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:50:27am

re: #531 jaunte

Someone stole the documents, and they were fakes.

If the second assertion is true, then why the first?

Because they never claimed all documents were fakes.

533 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:52:37am

re: #526 kirkspencer

Let me try that again with Charles's post.


that's an allegation of defamation, which for written is libel.

No, it's not. It's a murky "Or else". And even then, you'd only have to prove that it was a fake in order to win the libel action. it doesn't mean that you can consider the document real and genuine until then.

Seriously, I don't get it. The document may or may not be a fake. There's reason to believe it is-- that it sounds like an over-the-top piece of writing satirizing deniers. There's reason to believe that it isn't-- some deniers are nihilistic or fanatical and might actually write in language like that.

But there is no reason to accept it as genuine until it is proven to be so.

534 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:54:45am

re: #522 BongCrodny

You can't register "scifi" as a trademark. You can register "syfy" as a trademark.

You can also frustrate your former viewership, which was most likely the real impetus.

535 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:55:04am

They're keeping their options open.

However, in an email to the Guardian later on Wednesday, Lakely backtracked on this apparent confirmation that some of the documents were genuine.

"Considering the fact that the individual who committed fraud and identity theft in correspondence with a staffer yesterday also created a fake Heartland document out of whole cloth, we cannot authenticate any of the documents," he wrote.
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

536 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:55:28am

Personally, I suspect some non-affiliated denier trickster might have indeed gotten the documents from HI, and then added the fake, assuming that the focus will be on the fake, rather then on the truth of the allegations.

Far-fetched? Think "Rathergate".

537 Interesting Times  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:56:17am

re: #530 Your ad could be here.

I think arguing over it buys into Heartland's framing and should (from a tactical point of view) be avoided. As someone else said, set it aside for now and concentrate on other damning information. Like Heartland's possible violation of tax laws:

"I believe there was a massive abuse of 501c(3)," Mashey said. "My extensive study of these think tanks showed numerous specific actions that violated the rules – such as that their work is supposed to be factually based. Such as there was a whole lot of behaviour that sure looked like lobbying and sending money to foreign organisations that are not charities."

538 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:57:04am

re: #532 Your ad could be here.

Because they never claimed all documents were fakes.

Exactly. That they acknowledged that someone actually did get a real email from Heartland with real documents attached shows that they know that the veracity of some of them can be proven. That they're only saying one is faked gives credibility to the idea that it is faked-- but it also establishes a very good case that the others are absolutely genuine.

I wish people would spend less time trying to assert the questionable document is definitely real, and more time talking about the contents of the documents that are highly credible-- which basically replicate everything in the strategy document aside from the mustache-twirling.

539 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 11:59:25am

re: #535 jaunte

They're keeping their options open.

Yes, and they were consistent on that. "May have been altered" is what they said about the rest of the documents from the beginning, not denying that they did at least originate with HI.

I also assume that they have not been altered, since in the press release they connected the lack of authentication to Joe Bast's absence (travel), thus implying that such authentication may come later. Obviously, now that Bast had ample time to compare the documents, any alterations could have been pointed out. Obviously, now they just don't want to give any confirmation, since the rest of the documents are actually quite bad, and prefer to keep it dim.

540 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:00:46pm

re: #537 Interesting Times

I think arguing over it buys into Heartland's framing and should (from a tactical point of view) be avoided.

Exactly. But then people should stop actually defending this document.

541 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:15:25pm

The documents that HI said were genuine were more than enough to go after them on.

542 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:22:04pm

re: #541 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Yep.

543 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:23:46pm

To add one more example of why the strategy pdf is suspicious:

Efforts at places such as Forbes are especially important now that they have begun to allow highprofile climate scientists (such as Gleick) to post warmist science essays that counter our own.
This influential audience has usually been reliably anti-climate and it is important to keep
opposing voices out.

Again, that's not how they see themselves. This reads a bit Protocol-ish.

544 Coracle  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:30:06pm

re: #543 Your ad could be here.

Meh. The onus is on them. I find it hard to believe that an intelligent group of political operatives really can ignore the sum total of scientific output. I think groups like Heartland probably know the truth, but fight in opposition for reasons of short term power and profit.

545 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:31:52pm

re: #544 Coracle

Meh. The onus is on them.

In what sense?

I find it hard to believe that an intelligent group of political operatives really can ignore the sum total of scientific output.

I don't find it hard to believe at all. That's how it always is.

546 Coracle  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:34:29pm

re: #545 Your ad could be here.

In what sense?

They claim its fake. the onus is on them to prove it, not to bully people into shutting up about it.

I don't find it hard to believe at all. That's how it always is.

I suppose.

547 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:38:40pm

re: #546 Coracle

They claim its fake. the onus is on them to prove it, not to bully people into shutting up about it.

And the onus for proving the document authentic is on those who claim it to be authentic. It cannot be just assumed to be such.

548 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 12:58:10pm
549 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 1:43:01pm

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