Todd Rundgren: Hawking (Live)

I see bodies strong and running, with minds not comprehending
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Perhaps the greatest song ever written about a world-famous scientist, this 1990 performance by Todd Rundgren of “Hawking” is one of the best I’ve seen. It’s quite a bit slower than the album version (which must have been hard for the musicians — playing really slow and keeping good time can be very difficult), but Todd’s voice is amazing and the band is just terrific.

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Whenever I, I close my eyes
Then I don’t mind being the way I am
But whenever I try explaining why
I know I never can

Now that it’s
Gone, paths I used to travel
Gone, things I used to handle
Gone, once I had a choice what to be

But then God kissed me
And I lost it when I fainted in his arms
Have pity on me brother, I’m trapped behind the mirror
I’m out here on the border

Wondering why, why was it I?
Maybe my mind wouldn’t have come this way
If I’d taken my time, answers only unwind
When you can’t look away

Maybe ‘cause
I want the secret broken
I want the casket open
I need to see what no eyes can see

And when God kissed me
Then I dreamed them when I fainted in her arms
Now I’ve got to go on sleeping
Lean in a little closer and I’ll tell you what I’m dreaming
I’ll tell you what I’m dreaming

I see time without beginning
Space without an ending
I see bodies strong and running
With minds not comprehending

Have pity on your brother
Please have pity on your sister
Take pity on each other
And on every living creature, have pity somebody

Whenever I open my eyes, I can’t believe it’s real
It’s a jungle outside, yes it is, yes it is
People just survive
They can’t reach the high ideal

But I know if I can’t recover
At least I know, I know the book from cover to cover
And who knows? I might dream forever
Since I’ve met the world’s greatest lover

When God kissed me
And I knew it when I fainted in his arms
Let’s dream together people

Have pity on your brother
Have pity on your sister, please
Take pity on each other
And on every living creature

We’re all trapped behind the mirror
Out here on the border, yes we are
Please have pity

Pity on your brother
Pity on your sister
Pity on each other
Every living creature

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286 comments
1 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:24:16pm

There are horribly too few odes to scientific genius. Kind of sad when you think about it.

2 Mocking Jay  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:25:48pm

re: #1 Slumbering Behemoth

There are horribly too few odes to scientific genius. Kind of sad when you think about it.

My favorite is Mr. Roboto...

3 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:26:19pm

re: #1 Slumbering Behemoth

There are horribly too few odes to scientific genius. Kind of sad when you think about it.

Not to many things rhyme with Galileo or Anton van Leeuwenhoek!!!

4 Kragar  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:26:24pm

re: #1 Slumbering Behemoth

There are horribly too few odes to scientific genius. Kind of sad when you think about it.

Case in point

Youtube Video
5 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:27:02pm

re: #1 Slumbering Behemoth

There are horribly too few odes to scientific genius. Kind of sad when you think about it.

Youtube Video
6 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:27:29pm

re: #2 I Am Jack's Medulla Oblongata

I'm going to pound your soul into silly putty for that.

7 Mocking Jay  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:28:35pm

re: #6 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm going to pound your soul into silly putty for that.

Domo arigato!

8 Kragar  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:29:39pm

re: #6 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm going to pound your soul into silly putty for that.

Not a Tesla fan I take it?

9 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:31:37pm

I think the Collapse of Syria is having a positive effect on Israel-Palestine, as horrible as it is to say. From ResearchChok:

Mid East Settlement On The Horizon? : Israel to annex settlement blocs, but not Jordan Valley- PA Gives Qualified Approval

10 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:34:14pm

re: #9 ProGunLiberal

I think the Collapse of Syria is having a positive effect on Israel-Palestine, as horrible as it is to say. From ResearchChok:

Mid East Settlement On The Horizon? : Israel to annex settlement blocs, but not Jordan Valley- PA Gives Qualified Approval

His nic is actually "ResearchOk".

Don't feel bad. For the longest time I thought it was "ResearchCock".

And I'm not just making a dick joke, I really thought that's what it was.

11 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:34:19pm

re: #9 ProGunLiberal

I would also like to point out that a collapse of Syria would likely drag Lebanon in too.

I think what maybe going on here is that both sides agree that a much, much more serious problem is about to occur.

12 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:34:54pm

re: #10 Slumbering Behemoth

Of course, of course...

13 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:35:18pm

re: #10 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm going off of the name I saw above the page.

14 Mocking Jay  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:35:40pm

re: #12 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Of course, of course...

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Sometimes...

15 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:35:59pm

re: #9 ProGunLiberal

I think the Collapse of Syria is having a positive effect on Israel-Palestine, as horrible as it is to say. From ResearchChok:

Mid East Settlement On The Horizon? : Israel to annex settlement blocs, but not Jordan Valley- PA Gives Qualified Approval

I'm not real optimistic.

16 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:36:29pm

[x] Egg Roll
[x] Pan Fried Dumplings - Pork
[x] Red Stripe Beer
[x] FTW

17 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:36:55pm

re: #13 ProGunLiberal

I'm going off of the name I saw above the page.

That one is still spelled "researchok", not "researchchock". Just sayin'.

18 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:37:27pm

re: #9 ProGunLiberal

I think the Collapse of Syria is having a positive effect on Israel-Palestine, as horrible as it is to say. From ResearchChok:

Mid East Settlement On The Horizon? : Israel to annex settlement blocs, but not Jordan Valley- PA Gives Qualified Approval

Sorry,, but 4 months of pressure just to get two people into the same room where there is still a "“yes, but…” with both sides presenting a list of reservations isn;t exactly promising

We've been here many many many times before

19 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:39:41pm

re: #15 Look At My Grandbaby!

I see your skepticism. However, I think there is a chance for something to happen. Especially considering the fact that Syria seems to be imploding.

The only thing I would like to see added is assurances about the Al-Aqsa Mosque, and the Dome of the Rock. Likud is no better than the BJP, who 20 years ago incited the destruction of Babri Mosque. I want it in writing that those two will not be allowed to be touched.

re: #17 Slumbering Behemoth

I just noticed what you are talking about.

20 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:39:42pm

re: #10 Slumbering Behemoth

His nic is actually "ResearchOk".

Don't feel bad. For the longest time I thought it was "ResearchCock".

And I'm not just making a dick joke, I really thought that's what it was.

Aaah... he will be glad to know. //

21 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:41:35pm

re: #20 Your ad could be here.

I think I may have told him that already, and long time back.

22 Mocking Jay  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:42:21pm

re: #21 Slumbering Behemoth

I think I may have told him that already, and long time back.

And after you had already put in all of those painstaking hours of research...

23 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:42:53pm

and on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

24 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:44:24pm

re: #22 I Am Jack's Medulla Oblongata

And yet the gov't continues to deny my grant applications to further my studies.

25 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:45:18pm

The Beastles - Let It Beast

MP3 Audio
26 Kragar  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:45:49pm

Ah, that wonderful movement when you slice into some chicken kiev and squirt scalding hot butter onto your hand.

27 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:45:52pm

Number of dead in Syria has now passed 8,800. I would expect that the number will probably pass 9,000 by this time next week.

28 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:46:21pm

re: #26 Kragar

Ah, that wonderful movement when you slice into some chicken kiev and squirt scalding hot butter onto your hand.

Better than when you slice straight into your hand, I guess.

29 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:46:41pm

re: #26 Kragar

Ah, that wonderful movement when you slice into some chicken kiev and squirt scalding hot butter onto your hand.

Commie.

30 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:47:37pm

Sensuality and smart people are taking over the universe.

31 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:48:15pm

re: #30 Gus

'Bout fucking time!

32 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:48:31pm

re: #26 Kragar

Ah, that wonderful movement when you slice into some chicken kiev and squirt scalding hot butter onto your hand.

Czarist.

33 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:48:58pm

re: #32 Obdicut

Czarist.

Butterist.

34 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:50:13pm

re: #33 Gus

Butterist.

Mme Butterfly.

35 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:51:05pm

re: #30 Gus

Sensuality and smart people are taking over the universe.

What? When? How? I'm late?

36 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:51:13pm

Sergey, you should become a guitar sensation and be known as "The Czarist Guitarist"

37 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:51:16pm

We got a real problem:

PublicPolicyPolling @ppppolls
10% of Michigan primary voters think Santorum's too liberal

HOW?!?!?!?!

38 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:51:16pm

re: #34 Your ad could be here.

Mme Butterfly.

Looks like a purty city.

39 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:51:52pm

re: #35 Your ad could be here.

What? When? How? I'm late?

Santorum said it is so! Satan is the accomplice.

40 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:52:20pm

re: #37 ProGunLiberal

For not hating gays enough?

41 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:52:28pm

re: #39 Gus

Santorum said it is so! Satan is the accomplice.

Was there an orgy at least?

42 freetoken  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:53:08pm

re: #37 ProGunLiberal

HOW?!?!?!?!

Some of the radical glibertarian types take issue with Santorum's voting record on spending, as well as his willingness to be flexible on right-to-work laws.

43 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:53:26pm

re: #41 Your ad could be here.

Was there an orgy at least?

I don't know. Probably a biblical orgy and you know how those get. What with ma, pa, and sis being the only people being 'round.

//

44 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:53:29pm

re: #37 ProGunLiberal

We got a real problem:

HOW?!?!?!?!

Have you not read Upchuck's sermon?

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

(Surprisingly, he does make a couple of good points.)

45 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:53:30pm

re: #19 ProGunLiberal

The only thing I would like to see added is assurances about the Al-Aqsa Mosque, and the Dome of the Rock. Likud is no better than the BJP, who 20 years ago incited the destruction of Babri Mosque. I want it in writing that those two will not be allowed to be touched.

I don't agree with you. Likud hasn't done anything to touch the Al Aqsa mosque or the Dome of the Rock. Or do you think that allowing Jews to move their lips in prayer is somehow damaging the mosques?

46 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:55:49pm

Hang on! We're going to fly through this storm.

Please fasten your seat belts.

[POONG]

47 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:56:35pm

re: #45 Look At My Grandbaby!

This is the same party that still whitewashes the King David Hotel bombing, done by their predecessor groups, among other actions around that time. The same party that went into coalition with that asshole Lieberman's party, and several more things that are not at the top of my head at the moment.

I simply don't and never will trust Likud. They simply are too similar to the BJP in India for me to trust them.

48 Kragar  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:56:50pm

re: #39 Gus

Santorum said it is so! Satan is the accomplice.

Youtube Video
49 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:56:59pm

See. Kiev is like what? 1500 years old? And still. It looks. Well. Damn. Why can't we have cities that look like that?

50 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:57:05pm

re: #43 Gus

I don't know. Probably a biblical orgy and you know how those get. What with ma, pa, and sis being the only people being 'round.

//

Yeah, all of us are inbreds, coming from Adam and Eve.

51 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:57:49pm

re: #46 Gus

Do you feel disturbance in the force, bro?

52 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:57:52pm

re: #46 Gus

Hang on! We're going to fly through this storm.

Please fasten your seat belts.

[POONG]

"Shields up, weapons online"
"Not equipped with shields? Well then, buckle up!"

53 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:58:23pm

re: #50 Your ad could be here.

Yeah, all of us are inbreds, coming from Adam and Eve.

Well it sure as hell wasn't Adam and Steve!
/hyuck

54 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:58:34pm

re: #52 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

What's with the av?

55 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:58:44pm

Andrew Breitbart has unblocked me - probably because he noticed that my post about his camp follower Dana Loesch has gone viral. Suddenly I'm not so irrreelevant any more.

56 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:58:52pm

re: #53 Slumbering Behemoth

Well it sure as hell wasn't Adam and Steve!
/hyuck

[Dobro slide]

57 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:59:03pm

re: #52 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

QUIT CHANGING YOUR AVATAR!

:high fives CuriousLurker:

58 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:59:21pm

re: #56 Your ad could be here.

I saw that thing yesterday.

What does that mean?

59 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:59:38pm

re: #54 Your ad could be here.

What's with the av?

Buster-kun.

60 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:59:51pm

re: #47 ProGunLiberal

This is the same party that still whitewashes the King David Hotel bombing, done by their predecessor groups, among other actions around that time. The same party that went into coalition with that asshole Lieberman's party, and several more things that are not at the top of my head at the moment.

I simply don't and never will trust Likud.

Well, considering they have never done anything to damage the mosques, what makes you think that they have any intention of doing so? Also: they're in power, so they would have already started by now, don't you think?

It's impossible in Israel for any party to hold complete power, they always have to join with little one-issue parties in order to get a coalition.

The major issue in Israel at this moment considers "Haredim" the enemy, not Palestinians, Arabs or Muslims.

61 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:59:51pm

re: #58 ProGunLiberal

I saw that thing yesterday.

What does that mean?

Gus will explain better than me.

62 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:00:10pm

re: #49 Gus

See. Kiev is like what? 1500 years old? And still. It looks. Well. Damn. Why can't we have cities that look like that?

We have Detroit.

63 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:01:49pm

Seems like there should be a new LGF FAQ.

64 Kragar  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:01:55pm

re: #59 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Buster-kun.

Youtube Video
65 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:02:06pm

re: #58 ProGunLiberal

I saw that thing yesterday.

What does that mean?

It's like in a movie or maybe it was on Dukes of Hazard. When trouble is coming up the road and suddenly you here a quick sound of the slide guitar but on the Dobro. Rockford Files too.

66 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:03:59pm

re: #64 Kragar

Wawazzat?

67 Kragar  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:04:53pm

re: #66 Your ad could be here.

Wawazzat?

The Pillows

more

Youtube Video
68 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:06:06pm
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69 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:07:36pm

re: #68 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

So, you're a little buster?

70 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:08:08pm

What is wrong with Michigan?

71 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:08:15pm

re: #68 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Youtube Video
72 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:09:12pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

What is wrong with Michigan?

He was a big spender, apparently, and not sufficiently anti-tax or anti-union. I've been seeing this rolling around various right-wing websites.

73 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:09:17pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

What is wrong with Michigan?

WTF?

Maybe next time I shouldn't just hang up on those robo-call opinion polls.

74 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:09:45pm

re: #60 Look At My Grandbaby!

I understand that. However, in both Sweden and Finland, when far-right parties managed to get into parliament, they were completely ignored and neglected in terms getting coalitions for governments together. Sweden had an almighty conniption over as a bonus.

Likud on the other hand, decided going with Lieberman's party was a plus. In my mind, this means that Likud approves of what Lieberman thinks in regards to the Arabs.

And, to be honest, the Haredi seem like Jewish version of Salafis to me. However, as I have never met a Jewish Person in real life, I admit that this might be more than a little off.

75 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:10:31pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

I don't think it's Michigan. I think it's Republicans overall.

76 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:10:33pm

re: #74 ProGunLiberal

However, as I have never met a Jewish Person in real life, I admit that this might be more than a little off.

What the fuck? Do you not leave your house or something?

77 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:10:33pm

re: #71 Obdicut

[Video]

Ah, the classics.

78 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:10:52pm

re: #69 Your ad could be here.

So, you're a little buster?

Yep.

79 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:10:52pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Andrew Breitbart has unblocked me - probably because he noticed that my post about his camp follower Dana Loesch has gone viral. Suddenly I'm not so irrreelevant any more.

Hrrrmmm, imagine that...

80 Lidane  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:11:12pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

What is wrong with Michigan?

That's been a common trope on the Paulbot sites lately:

[Link: www.ronpaul2012.com...]

81 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:12:43pm

re: #80 Lidane

That's been a common trope on the Paulbot sites lately:

[Link: www.ronpaul2012.com...]

You've just discovered an alternate universe.

82 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:12:51pm

Even Romney is pretending to be more conservative than Santorum:

Romney on Friday accused Santorum of expanding government during his two terms as a congressman and two terms as a senator.

"I hope that people take a very close look at his record because he was in Congress for about 20 years and during that time the size of the federal government doubled," Romney said.

"And, by the way, he voted to raise the debt ceiling five different times without compensating cuts," Romney added. He said Santorum voted for "billions of dollars in earmarks."
[Link: www.kansascity.com...]

83 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:12:56pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

What is wrong with Michigan?

10% of Michigan primary voters think Santorum's too liberal

This anti-Rantorum attack video has been getting local media time:

Youtube Video

Yes, insanely, they are trying to portray Sick Rantorum as "too liberal"

Since the "Bridge to Nowhere" is mentioned, this ad was at least partially funded by the Bridge Troll and the Koch Brothers.

84 freetoken  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:13:28pm

Because in the past Santorum has gone along on various spending bills many of the diehard fiscal conservatives think he's too "liberal".

Yes, really.

85 Kragar  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:13:43pm

re: #71 Obdicut

[Video]

Oh yeah?

Youtube Video
86 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:13:44pm

re: #76 Obdicut

No, there was just never a Jewish student in the schools I went to in COS. Thinking about it, that isn't surprising.

And here, the little campus groups tend to be isolated from one another.

87 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:13:58pm

re: #76 Obdicut

What the fuck? Do you not leave your house or something?

Seriously. I figure I have a 78% chance of running into at least one of Alouette's decedents whenever I leave the house.
/

88 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:14:15pm

re: #82 jaunte

"And, by the way, he voted to raise the debt ceiling five different times without compensating cuts,"

Look at Romney pretending the compensating cuts thing is something the GOP has always done, rather than something they invented so they could fight with Obama.

89 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:14:24pm

re: #74 ProGunLiberal

I understand that. However, in both Sweden and Finland, when far-right parties managed to get into parliament, they were completely ignored and neglected in terms getting coalitions for governments together. Sweden had an almighty conniption over as a bonus.

Likud on the other hand, decided going with Lieberman's party was a plus. In my mind, this means that Likud approves of what Lieberman thinks in regards to the Arabs.

And, to be honest, the Haredi seem like Jewish version of Salafis to me. However, as I have never met a Jewish Person in real life, I admit that this might be more than a little off.

I am Haredi, we come in a bunch of different flavors. Some Haredim are asshats, but most of us are just normal people.

90 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:14:43pm

re: #85 Kragar

Oh yeah?

[Video]

HOT MERGING ACTION

91 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:14:47pm

re: #86 ProGunLiberal

Trust me, you've met Jewish people. Here's a tip: We don't actually look different from normal humans.

Sheesh.

92 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:15:02pm

re: #81 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

You've just discovered an alternate universe.

The 4th Wingnut-Dimension.

93 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:15:07pm

re: #89 Look At My Grandbaby!

I am Haredi, we come in a bunch of different flavors. Some [fill in every single type of religion out there] are asshats, but most of us are just normal people.

94 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:15:49pm

re: #83 Look At My Grandbaby!

This anti-Rantorum attack video has been getting local media time:

[Video]Yes, insanely, they are trying to portray Sick Rantorum as "too liberal"

Since the "Bridge to Nowhere" is mentioned, this ad was at least partially funded by the Bridge Troll and the Koch Brothers.

Well, that's just another pitfall of tying fiscal concepts to social terms. Santorum is a conservative no matter how big a spender he really is.

95 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:15:57pm

re: #91 Obdicut

Trust me, you've met Jewish people. Here's a tip: We don't actually look different from normal humans.

Sheesh.

I lived in Lakewood, NJ.
;)

96 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:16:09pm

re: #93 Meh.

I knew a Quaker once who was a total fucking jerk, and I admit that surprised me.

On the other hand, world's most famous Quaker is probably Nixon.

No, wait, it's the guy on the oatmeal can.

97 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:16:34pm

re: #91 Obdicut

Trust me, you've met Jewish people. Here's a tip: We don't actually look different from normal humans.

Sheesh.

Girl Jews don't have horns, makes it easier for us to blend in. The males have to file theirs down with sanders, like Hellboy.

98 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:16:46pm

re: #91 Obdicut

Well, I mean people who introduce themselves as such, or something like that. People who talk about their background and stuff. If that makes any sense, I know I am not good at explaining.

99 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:16:51pm

re: #84 freetoken

Because in the past Santorum has gone along on various spending bills many of the diehard fiscal conservatives think he's too "liberal".

Yes, really.

It's actually really embarrassing to use the term 'fiscal conservative' to describe these people.

There is nothing, nothing, conservative about this brand of cultish lunacy. Nor, in fact, is there anything fiscal. It's radical nihilism. It's frothing rage created out of whole cloth by media, nothing more than Pavlovian anger at the words 'debt' or 'spend' without any understanding of what they mean.

100 Kragar  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:17:08pm

re: #90 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

HOT MERGING ACTION

Youtube Video
101 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:17:17pm

re: #95 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

I lived in Lakewood, NJ.
;)

Really? You ought to come up and visit sometime. I'll buy you lunch.

102 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:17:51pm

re: #95 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

I lived in Lakewood, NJ.
;)

You're surrounded.

103 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:18:19pm

re: #98 ProGunLiberal

The most generous interpretation I can find of your statement is that even though you're entirely ignorant about Jews, you're nonetheless making sweeping statements about some Jews.

Which makes very little sense.

104 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:18:19pm

re: #97 Look At My Grandbaby!

Girl Jews don't have horns, makes it easier for us to blend in. The males have to file theirs down with sanders, like Hellboy.

That explains the kippot! //

105 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:18:25pm

re: #98 ProGunLiberal

Then again, I think I was spoiled in Colorado Spring with people wearing their religion on their sleeves, and blaring it from the speakers. Somehow, I think only a minority of people do that.

106 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:18:55pm

re: #97 Look At My Grandbaby!

Girl Jews don't have horns, makes it easier for us to blend in. The males have to file theirs down with sanders, like Hellboy.

I've actually been asked where my horns were twice, once in the deep South and once in a hickish part of the UK.

107 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:19:00pm

re: #80 Lidane

Heh...

Rick Santorum voted with Barbara Boxer with this: S Amdt 3230 – Gun Lock Requirement Amendment

When a relative of mine learned that a local Republican mayor worked with Feinstein to craft legislation, she wilted in agony. Almost like seeing G.W. Bush hug Bill Clinton.

- Allows damages for emotional distress to be taxed.

THE LIBERTARIANS HAVE DISCOVERED PERPETUAL MOTION!!!

108 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:19:29pm

re: #101 Obdicut

Really? You ought to come up and visit sometime. I'll buy you lunch.

re: #102 Look At My Grandbaby!

You're surrounded.

Heh.
I lived there from...91ish to 97ish.
Live in Not Really Virginia, Virginia now.
:)

109 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:19:40pm

re: #106 Obdicut

I've actually been asked where my horns were twice, once in the deep South and once in a hickish part of the UK.

Would you believe they recycled that one for the Mormons. That's why Mormon missionaries were told not to wear hats; the rumors about horns.

110 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:20:03pm

re: #108 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Ah. In that case, you ought to visit my brother in DC and make him give you lunch.

111 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:20:15pm

re: #109 Meh.

Would you believe they recycled that one for the Mormons. That's why Mormon missionaries were told not to wear hats; the rumors about horns.

Yeah, and you call non-Mormon's "gentiles."

112 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:20:24pm

re: #106 Obdicut

I've actually been asked where my horns were twice, once in the deep South and once in a hickish part of the UK.

How did you reply?

113 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:20:32pm

re: #109 Meh.

Would you believe they recycled that one for the Mormons. That's why Mormon missionaries were told not to wear hats; the rumors about horns.

But Mormons aren't even an ethnic group so that makes even littler sense. Wow that's dumb.

114 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:21:11pm

re: #111 Look At My Grandbaby!

Yeah, and you call non-Mormon's "gentiles."

Heh.

I'm not sure anyone does it non-ironically any more.

Well, anyone of my generation.

115 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:21:35pm

re: #113 Obdicut

But Mormons aren't even an ethnic group so that makes even littler sense. Wow that's dumb.

We can't even get first-hand rumors and insults!

Sigh.

116 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:22:05pm

re: #95 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

I lived in Lakewood, NJ.
;)

So that's the disturbance in the Force I get driving through Freehold once a month. Proximity.

117 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:22:17pm

re: #106 Obdicut

I've actually been asked where my horns were twice, once in the deep South and once in a hickish part of the UK.

So you discovered chavs?

///

118 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:22:38pm

re: #106 Obdicut

I've actually been asked where my horns were twice, once in the deep South and once in a hickish part of the UK.

"Bend over, I'll show you".

119 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:23:05pm

re: #108 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

re: #102 Look At My Grandbaby!

Heh.
I lived there from...91ish to 97ish.
Live in Not Really Virginia, Virginia now.
:)

You remember driving through old Jackson? NJ.

120 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:23:07pm

re: #103 Obdicut

I will admit to getting my understanding from News Stories. However, this is quite limited in terms of learning about people.

I'm going to push to have a MSA-Hillel(?) get together before I go. I will push against the Salafi if he wants to bitch about it.

121 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:23:16pm

re: #112 Your ad could be here.

How did you reply?

In the South, I explained to the earnest and well-meaning man that Jews do not, in fact, have horns and that it's a mistranslation of 'coruscua', rays of light, as 'cornua', horns, which was then repeated and showed up in art.

In the UK, being drunk, I threw up the horns and screamed "Metal gods can never die!"

Image: ronnie_james_dio.jpg

122 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:24:10pm

re: #121 Obdicut

In the South, I explained to the earnest and well-meaning man that Jews do not, in fact, have horns and that it's a mistranslation of 'coruscua', rays of light, as 'cornua', horns, which was then repeated and showed up in art.

In the UK, being drunk, I threw up the horns and screamed "Metal gods can never die!"

Image: ronnie_james_dio.jpg

Do you mean the Moses "horns"?

123 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:24:47pm

re: #120 ProGunLiberal

I will admit to getting my understanding from News Stories.

Don't believe everything you read about Haredim in "Haaretz" or "YNet" or "The Forward." Those idiots want to live in Haredi women's vaginas.

All right, I just totally icked myself out.

124 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:24:54pm

re: #122 Your ad could be here.

Do you mean the Moses "horns"?

Yeah, exactly. That's probably the origination of it, then befouled and entangled in general antisemitism.

125 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:26:08pm

re: #123 Look At My Grandbaby!

Don't believe everything ANYTHING you read about Haredim in "Haaretz" or "YNet" or "The Forward." Those idiots want to live in Haredi women's vaginas.

All right, I just totally icked myself out.

126 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:26:50pm

I hit the "quote" button instead of the pencil icon.

I'm still icked out.

127 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:28:44pm

re: #119 Gus

You remember driving through old Jackson? NJ.

Driving, no. Jackson, yes.
I was a teen when I was living in NJ. My grandmother lives in Forked River. I went to Lakewood when I was up there during this past summer. It got way bigger.

128 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:29:03pm

re: #121 Obdicut

In the UK, being drunk, I threw up the horns and screamed "Metal gods can never die!"

Gawt damned right!

129 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:29:07pm

re: #120 ProGunLiberal

I will admit to getting my understanding from News Stories. However, this is quite limited in terms of learning about people.

I'm going to push to have a MSA-Hillel(?) get together before I go. I will push against the Salafi if he wants to bitch about it.

Alouette, can you recommend any literature that might help him understand the world of the Haredi? How is The Chosen for authenticity?

130 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:29:41pm

re: #124 Obdicut

Heh, found this interesting note. Turns out it was not merely Jerome's mistranslation.

[Link: ancienthebrewpoetry.typepad.com...]

131 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:30:41pm

Horns are totally sexy.
Just sayin'.

132 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:30:56pm

re: #127 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Driving, no. Jackson, yes.
I was a teen when I was living in NJ. My grandmother lives in Forked River. I went to Lakewood when I was up there during this past summer. It got way bigger.

Yeah. Almost all suburbia now. But not completely because of the Pinelands. Just thinking back about driving or riding my bike through Jackson with the old Russian Orthodox Church there. Used to be a lot of pre-revolution Russian immigrants there.

133 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:31:41pm

re: #131 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Horns are totally sexy.
Just sayin'.

What about those hand-tentacles?

134 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:31:41pm

re: #131 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Didn't know you swung that way, dude. NTTAWWT

135 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:32:01pm

re: #132 Gus

Yeah. Almost all suburbia now. But not completely because of the Pinelands. Just thinking back about driving or riding my bike through Jackson with the old Russian Orthodox Church there. Used to be a lot of pre-revolution Russian immigrants there.

Heh, I remember getting yelled at for riding my bike on Route 9.

136 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:32:58pm

re: #133 Your ad could be here.

What about those hand-tentacles?

Nope.re: #134 Slumbering Behemoth

Didn't know you swung that way, dude. NTTAWWT

Demon chicks are hot.
Sue me.
:P

137 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:33:34pm

re: #136 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Chicks. Riiight.

138 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:34:19pm

re: #137 Slumbering Behemoth

Chicks. Riiight.

Like you're one to talk with all your dick jokes.
:P

139 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:34:27pm

re: #130 Your ad could be here.

Wow, a Waldensian. I haven't seen one of those around in a long time.

Anyway, yeah, at absolute most maybe Moses had something going on that in some way was horn-like, most likely rays of light curling out of his head. Which would be cool.

But there's no way that can reasonably be extrapolated to "Therefore, all Jews have horns".

140 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:36:10pm

re: #138 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Like you're one to talk with all your dick jokes.
:P

I've put a lot of research into my dick... jokes, thank you very much.

141 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:37:09pm

Waldensians.
Learn something new everyday.

142 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:44:03pm

re: #141 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Waldensians.
Learn something new everyday.

People that live near Walden Pond?

143 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:45:01pm

Where's Walden...software?

144 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:45:54pm

You know. Maybe they're right. Maybe Santorum isn't far to the right enough. They should broker the convention and find someone that's even crazier to the right to run in November.

//

145 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:46:50pm

re: #144 Gus

Of course they should. Don't jinx it!

146 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:47:48pm

re: #145 Your ad could be here.

Of course they should. Don't jinx it!

Too late!

Santorum. Obama. Seriously man. There's no difference.

//

147 Digital Display  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:48:13pm

Hi Lizards.. Interesting thread...I'm multitasking tonight..Reading here.. Signing and reading court sh*t papers for my Folks estate and The Star Trek movie is on in the background..I never watch Sci-Fi so this is a change up..
OK..I saw this scene where they stopped the space ship in 3 seconds..Really? Trillions of MPH to zero without anybody wearing seatbelts?

148 Kragar  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:48:17pm

re: #144 Gus

You know. Maybe they're right. Maybe Santorum isn't far to the right enough. They should broker the convention and find someone that's even crazier to the right to run in November.

//

You know, the only thing preventing the GOP from sweeping into power is their candidates haven't been conservative enough.
/

149 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:48:56pm

Pressure differential sucks.

150 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:49:14pm

re: #147 The Hoopster

Hi Lizards.. Interesting thread...I'm multitasking tonight..Reading here.. Signing and reading court sh*t papers for my Folks estate and The Star Trek movie is on in the background..I never watch Sci-Fi so this is a change up..
OK..I saw this scene where they stopped the space ship in 3 seconds..Really? Trillions of MPH to zero without anybody wearing seatbelts?

Inertial dampers.

151 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:49:15pm

re: #148 Kragar

You know, the only thing preventing the GOP from sweeping into power is their candidates haven't been conservative enough.
/

If they swing anymore to the right they're going to have to start wearing their boots on the outside of their pants.

//

152 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:49:40pm

DeSmog blog posted their letter from the Heartland Institute:

Heartland Demands DeSmogBlog Remove ''Climate Strategy" Document

Heartland Institute general counsel Maureen Martin has sent letters to the DeSmogBlog and several other publications demanding that we remove all Heartland-related documents that we posted on February 14, as well as all related commentary.

After due consideration, we could see no basis in fact or law for Heartland's demand that we remove these documents.

The Heartland letter is reproduced in full below with our observations.

153 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:51:28pm

re: #152 jaunte

DeSmog blog posted their letter from the Heartland Institute:

Heartland Demands DeSmogBlog Remove ''Climate Strategy" Document

Whiners whine.

154 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:52:33pm

re: #152 jaunte

DeSmog blog posted their letter from the Heartland Institute:

Heartland Demands DeSmogBlog Remove ''Climate Strategy" Document

I'm going to post the email I received tomorrow.

155 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:52:42pm

re: #144 Gus

Even Joad Cressbeckler ain't crazy enough for the die hard wingnut.

156 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:52:48pm

re: #152 jaunte

DeSmog blog posted their letter from the Heartland Institute:

Heartland Demands DeSmogBlog Remove ''Climate Strategy" Document

That's all HI's got?
Weaksauce is weak.

157 freetoken  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:53:23pm

re: #147 The Hoopster

Almost no so called "sci-fi" movies or TV shows even give a nod to the physical concept of "momentum".

The "inertial dampeners" that was mentioned was an idea floated some time ago and has been used in various stories whenever a writer is afraid someone might raise the issue.

158 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:54:25pm

re: #157 freetoken

Almost no so called "sci-fi" movies or TV shows even give a nod to the physical concept of "momentum".

The "inertial dampeners" that was mentioned was an idea floated some time ago and has been used in various stories whenever a writer is afraid someone might raise the issue.

Handwavium is an awesome power.

159 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:55:34pm

re: #152 jaunte

"We have not identified any."

There seems to be a serious factual mistake in the alleged memo:

[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

Koch says that their contribution was for health care, not global warming:

The documents presented by the blog indicate "[the Foundation] returned as a Heartland donor in 2011 with a contribution of $200,000. We expect to push up their level of support in 2012...if our focus continues to align with their interests." But this is not so. The Foundation gave just $25,000 to Heartland in 2011 (the only such donation to that organization in more than 10 years) and that funding was specifically directed to a healthcare research program, and not climate change research, as was erroneously reported.

Statistically speaking, the Foundation's contribution represents approximately one-twentieth of one percent of Heartland's total funding over that ten year period. The Foundation has made no further commitments of funding to Heartland.

And indeed, when you look at the fundraising document, the coding next to Koch's donation is "HCN" which certainly seems to be their health care code--other donors with that code include Bayer, Amgen, EliLilly, and GlaxoSmithKline.

Just another of many reasons it's suspect.

160 Kragar  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:57:11pm

re: #157 freetoken

Almost no so called "sci-fi" movies or TV shows even give a nod to the physical concept of "momentum".

The "inertial dampeners" that was mentioned was an idea floated some time ago and has been used in various stories whenever a writer is afraid someone might raise the issue.

Babylon 5 was pretty good about it.

161 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:57:37pm

Can you imagine Captain Kirk/Picard/Sisko/Janeway talking about Δv?
Yeah...

162 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:57:52pm

re: #160 Kragar

Babylon 5 was pretty good about it.

Star Fury.

163 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:58:34pm

re: #147 The Hoopster

Hi Lizards.. Interesting thread...I'm multitasking tonight..Reading here.. Signing and reading court sh*t papers for my Folks estate and The Star Trek movie is on in the background..I never watch Sci-Fi so this is a change up..
OK..I saw this scene where they stopped the space ship in 3 seconds..Really? Trillions of MPH to zero without anybody wearing seatbelts?

Yep. You have to hope that the inertial dampener tech doesn't run in MS-DOS or something else where a sudden BDOS will destroy the ship.

164 Kragar  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 7:59:33pm

re: #162 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Star Fury.

Mentions of pilots passing out due to G forces.

165 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:00:17pm

re: #159 Your ad could be here.

You should be very very skeptical of any claims made by Megan McArdle - she is deeply connected to the Koch Brothers and other climate change denial groups, and is definitely NOT a disinterested observer in this.

167 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:00:39pm

re: #163 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Yep. You have to hope that the inertial dampner tech doesn't run in MS-DOS or something else where a sudden BDOS will destroy the ship.

Image: 3g601665550.gif

168 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:01:55pm

And by pointing this out, I'm not making any judgment about whether that document is faked. I'm just noting that the person who's making these claims has serious conflict of interest problems.

169 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:02:13pm
Koch says that their contribution was for health care, not global warming:

The documents presented by the blog indicate "[the Foundation] returned as a Heartland donor in 2011 with a contribution of $200,000.

Presumably this is in aid of talking us all into HSA's.

Spending on health care would fall by approximately 30 percent, without negative effects on health, if more people chose high-deductible insurance and self-insured for small medical expenses by opening health savings accounts (HSAs). Health care providers would become more efficient if they had to compete for our health care dollars. A whole layer of bureaucracy in government agencies, health maintenance organizations (HMOs), and insurance companies could be eliminated.[Link: heartland.org...]

170 freetoken  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:02:31pm

re: #160 Kragar

Babylon 5 was pretty good about it.

The class of warships that Earth had in B5 were shown, initially, using rotating sections, to provide inhabitants with an acceleration to force them down to the floor rather than just float around.

Only one problem - angular momentum. Rotating mass is difficult to deal with in real life, and in fiction is pretty much ignored.

The B5 ships with their rotating sections could not have been turned in direction very easily, and trying to force the issue would probably have torn the ships apart (based upon their design and likely construction.)

Ok, ok... perhaps I'm asking for too much.

171 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:02:52pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

It doesn't depend on her credibility, though. The other documents show that the Koch contribution was marked for health care-- not that that's any better, morally since the Heartland Institute's propaganda on that subject is repellent and foul. But it does make the 'strategy' document that much more questionable.

The big question, of course, is who the million-dollar anonymous donor is.

Oh, and if Heartland violated its 503(c) status with lobbying and candidate support.

172 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:03:30pm

re: #167 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Image: 3g601665550.gif

Brilliant. Forwarded that to some Trekkies I know.

173 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:03:51pm

re: #170 freetoken

The class of warships that Earth had in B5 were shown, initially, using rotating sections, to provide inhabitants with an acceleration to force them down to the floor rather than just float around.

Only one problem - angular momentum. Rotating mass is difficult to deal with in real life, and in fiction is pretty much ignored.

The B5 ships with their rotating sections could not have been turned in direction very easily, and trying to force the issue would probably have torn the ships apart (based upon their design and likely construction.)

Ok, ok... perhaps I'm asking for too much.

Heh, yeah, been there. Real life space combat will be, well, boring.

174 freetoken  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:04:07pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

I don't know if they are fake or not, but the irony I'm savoring from having the CLIMATEGATE!! exploiters having their own documents released publicly is the best tasting irony I've savored in a long while.

175 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:04:26pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

You should be very very skeptical of any claims made by Megan McArdle - she is deeply connected to the Koch Brothers and other climate change denial groups, and is definitely NOT a disinterested observer in this.

I don't see how connections refute arguments, though. It's not like I rely on unverifiable opinions. The Fundraising PDF is available, see p. 22 for the table. It clearly states that 200,000$ is not a 2011 donation but a projected 2012 donation, so the memo got it mixed up. And the code is indeed HCN, as in Pfizer et al., so the memo is outright incorrect in tying it to AGW agitprop.

176 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:05:01pm

re: #154 Charles Johnson

I'm going to post the email I received tomorrow.

You've already know an email you receive tomorrow? Precognitive emailing.

177 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:05:36pm

re: #176 SH1T My Conscience Says

BEHAVE YOURSELVES!

178 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:06:21pm

The rest of the documents are clearly real, judging by the HI actions.

179 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:10:51pm

re: #169 jaunte

Presumably this is in aid of talking us all into HSA's.

Yea, but that makes them culpable since it allows the offset of other funds towards funding abortions AGW is not real propaganda.
:P
/

180 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:11:05pm

I'd like to savor the moment of Heartland asking for something to disappear from the internet.

Have they never met the internet?

181 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:12:56pm

re: #180 Obdicut

I'd like to savor the moment of Heartland asking for something to disappear from the internet.

Have they never met the internet?

Pre-enlightenment times didn't have the Internet.

182 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:13:21pm

re: #180 Obdicut

I'd like to savor the moment of Heartland asking for something to disappear from the internet.

Have they never met the internet?

They never learned from the Church of Scientology.

183 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:13:29pm

A comment at DeSmog Blog:

Snapple - Sun, 2012-02-19 17:23
Joe Bast could clear up everything if he posted a screen shot of the email that was sent. We could see what documents they sent and whom they were sent to.

Wouldn't the place that sent the email have the address they sent it to?

184 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:13:32pm

Wow. The Heartland Institute's director of communications, Jim Lakely, retweets white supremacist Robert Stacy McCain's link to the stalker blog:

[Link: twitter.com...]

185 Kronocide  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:14:43pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

Wow. The Heartland Institute's director of communications, Jim Lakely, retweets white supremacist Robert Stacy McCain:

And who did RSM link to in that tweet? None other than the Stalker Blog.

186 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:15:24pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

Wow. The Heartland Institute's director of communications, Jim Lakely, retweets white supremacist Robert Stacy McCain:

Has twitter turned a number of adults into 5th grade children?

187 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:16:49pm

The bedfellows are getting stranger and stranger.

188 Lidane  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:16:53pm

re: #186 SH1T My Conscience Says

Has twitter turned a number of adults into 5th grade children?

Yes.

189 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:17:13pm

re: #186 SH1T My Conscience Says

Has twitter turned a number of adults into 5th grade children?

These types of things tend to expose your real age.

190 Lidane  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:17:15pm

Brilliant as always:

[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]

191 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:17:27pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

Thanks for telling me that. I'm someone who doesn't know about the connections of many of these people.

192 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:17:51pm

Like all those Tweets Jaunte? ;)

193 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:18:44pm

re: #189 Meh.

These types of things tend to expose your real age.

In that case I ain't using twitter ever again.

194 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:18:50pm
195 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:19:08pm

re: #192 Gus

I'm sure they were listed in there somewhere. Maybe "shroomheads, hacks, fakirs, and aggressive dorks" covered it.

196 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:20:07pm

re: #193 SH1T My Conscience Says

In that case I ain't using twitter ever again.

Vow of Keystroke Chastity.

197 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:20:43pm

re: #194 Gus

Is that written in Phlegmish?

198 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:21:25pm

re: #197 SH1T My Conscience Says

Is that written in Phlegmish?

Russian. But that reminds me! Dutch!

199 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:21:50pm

re: #196 Decatur Deb

Vow of Keystroke Chastity.

I'm going to go have a Chastity belt of 18 year old whisky.

200 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:22:06pm

re: #175 Your ad could be here.

(Just to be sure, at ThinkProgress the project codes are explained as follows: BTN=Budget & Tax News; ECN=Environment & Climate News; FIRE=Finance Insurance and Real Estate ; GO=General Operating; HCN=Health Care News; ITTN=Information Technology & Telecom News; SRN=School Reform News.)

201 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:22:44pm

re: #199 SH1T My Conscience Says

I'm going to go have a Chastity belt of 18 year old whisky.

"Old enough to go out on its own"

202 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:22:53pm

re: #194 Gus

Eh?

203 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:23:12pm

re: #202 Your ad could be here.

Eh?

Google.

204 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:23:44pm

re: #202 Your ad could be here.

Eh?

Click the link and see if it makes sense.

205 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:23:50pm

re: #190 Lidane

I swear if I hear one more rickety crank preface an argument or observation with "In My Day", as if there were something fucking good about it, my head is gonna pop.

206 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:24:49pm

re: #205 Slumbering Behemoth

I swear if I hear one more rickety crank preface an argument or observation with "In My Day", as if there were something fucking good about it, my head is gonna pop.

In my day, no one had even thought up ageism.

207 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:25:07pm

re: #198 Gus

Russian. But that reminds me! Dutch!

Never dutch while seated at a desk, or your head may meet the desktop while still accelerating.

208 Digital Display  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:25:42pm

re: #205 Slumbering Behemoth

I swear if I hear one more rickety crank preface an argument or observation with "In My Day", as if there were something fucking good about it, my head is gonna pop.

Youtube Video
209 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:25:46pm

re: #204 Gus

But the reason?

210 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:25:55pm

re: #206 Decatur Deb

...pop...

211 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:26:07pm

re: #209 Your ad could be here.

But the reason?

Spread the word.

212 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:26:07pm

re: #207 SH1T My Conscience Says

Never dutch while seated at a desk, or your head may meet the desktop while still accelerating.

And dutching like that can really take the finnish off the table.

213 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:27:26pm

re: #212 Obdicut

And dutching like that can really take the finnish of the table.

Italia what, better knock off the ethnic puns.

214 Kronocide  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:28:41pm

Loesch is ranting for progs to condemn Occupy rapes.

215 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:29:36pm

re: #212 Obdicut

And dutching like that can really take the finnish off the table.

You can always sweden up the finnish with a french rub.

216 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:29:55pm

Santorum finally compares Obama to Hitler:

Santorum sees the situation as so dire that during a Lincoln Day Dinner in Mason, Ohio on Friday, he likened the election to World War II and urged voters in the state to model themselves after the Greatest Generation of the 1940s that fought the war. He extended that metaphor on Sunday in a speech to more than 2,000 supporters at a megachurch in Cumming, about an hour outside of Atlanta.

"Remember, the greatest generation for a year and a half, sat on the sidelines while Europe was under darkness," Santorum said, going on to explain why Americans delayed entering the war. "We're a hopeful people. We think, 'Well, you know, it'll get better. Yeah, he's a nice guy. I mean, it won't be near as bad as what we think. This will be okay. I mean, yeah, maybe he's not the best guy after a while, after a while you find out some things about this guy over in Europe who's not so good of a guy after all ... '"

"It'll be harder for this generation to figure it out. There's no cataclysmic event," he said.

217 Lidane  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:30:27pm

re: #214 Kronocide

Loesch is ranting for progs to condemn Occupy rapes.

Why? Wouldn't that get in her way of slut-shaming all the women who went to Occupy? After all, they should have known better and besides, it's no worse than getting a trans-vaginal ultrasound.

///

218 Coracle  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:31:16pm

re: #214 Kronocide

Loesch is ranting for progs to condemn Occupy rapes.

Does she mean these?

219 Lidane  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:32:35pm

re: #218 Coracle

Does she mean these?

Oh come on. Everyone knows that Occupy is just about the rapey stabby. Haven't you been paying attention these last few months?

///

220 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:33:06pm

re: #216 Bishop Cornwallis Gobbletot

He sounds more disconnected from reality every day.

221 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:33:20pm

re: #216 Bishop Cornwallis Gobbletot

Yeah, except Santorum is closer to Hitler than any liberal will ever be. And even then, let's be fair, Santorum is several parsecs from Adolf. But he sure got no sense whatsoever.

222 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:35:10pm

re: #213 Decatur Deb

Italia what, better knock off the ethnic puns.

Why are you russian him like that?

223 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:35:10pm

Lakely now claiming fraudulent "docs" plural.

224 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:36:23pm

re: #220 jaunte

He sounds more disconnected from reality every day.

Self-solving problem. In 10 months he'll be talking at Knights of Columbus dinners in Kansas.

225 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:36:46pm

re: #216 Bishop Cornwallis Gobbletot

It's always Apocalyptic Armageddon when someone is trying to get votes, and when they get in office and things get worse it's all about "Calm down, people. This isn't the end of the world".

226 Kronocide  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:37:19pm

Oh Lakely is trying the rhetoric fu'. Keep digging the hole Jim.

227 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:38:03pm

Good night.
Sleepy time.

228 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:38:28pm

re: #222 Your ad could be here.

Why are you russian him like that?

Norway I want a pun thread at this hour.

229 engineer cat  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:39:03pm

just saw the documentary about dusko popov, the "real james bond"

230 Kronocide  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:39:36pm

When u need pee, u russian
When u go, european
When done, you finnish.

231 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:39:50pm

re: #228 Decatur Deb

Ainu this would happen if it was left unczeched.

232 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:40:01pm

re: #226 Kronocide

Speaking of... I found it rather telling that an industry shill and Heartland stooge felt in necessary to register here and spew propaganda. Very telling, actually, in more than one way.

Keep up the good work, Charles.

233 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:40:44pm

re: #227 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Good night.
Sleepy time.

LIES!!! The sun isn't even close to coming up yet.

234 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:41:52pm

re: #233 Slumbering Behemoth

LIES!!! The sun isn't even close to coming up yet.

It is in Somalia.

235 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:43:16pm

I'm taking my whisky and I'm going to kill some pigs by flinging birds at them.

'Night all.

236 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:44:01pm

re: #235 SH1T My Conscience Says

I'm taking my whisky and I'm going to kill some pigs by flinging birds at them.

'Night all.

In some future day, archeologists will wonder why our society was so consumed with visceral hatred of green pigs.

237 sagehen  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:45:10pm

re: #222 Your ad could be here.

Why are you russian him like that?

Because syriasly, it's time to finnish. Everybody haitis puns.

238 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:45:17pm

re: #236 Meh.

In some future day, archeologists will wonder why our society was so consumed with visceral hatred of green pigs.

No, they're going to be busy trying to figure out just how many times zombie apocalypses occurred.

239 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:46:53pm

re: #237 sagehen

Because syriasly, it's time to finnish. Everybody haitis puns.

That was good, but don't basque on your laurels.

240 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:47:33pm

re: #238 Obdicut

No, they're going to be busy trying to figure out just how many times zombie apocalypses occurred.

Teenager: Individual who was complete and detailed plans for the zombie apocalypse, but has no idea if their math homework is done, or even when it's due.

241 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:48:21pm

re: #239 Decatur Deb

That was good, but don't basque on your laurels.

Ainu this is quite silly, but we should polish this off and be done with it.

242 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:48:25pm

re: #240 Meh.

Teenager: Individual who was complete and detailed plans for the zombie apocalypse, but has no idea if their math homework is done, or even when it's due.

Depending on circumstances the survival plan might be more important.

243 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:48:31pm

re: #237 sagehen

Because syriasly, it's time to finnish. Everybody haitis puns.

Agree, and those who don't stop will be banned. And now, Cubans.

244 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:49:13pm

re: #241 Meh.

Ainu this is quite silly, but we should polish this off and be done with it.

Yeah, I'll just copt to fatigue and be done with it.

245 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:49:51pm

re: #243 Your ad could be here.

Agree, and those who don't stop will be banned. And now, Cubans.

Ja maican me angry.

246 Kronocide  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:49:53pm

So just to rehash:

stalker blog notes Charles' commenting about Heartland sending an email to cease and desist

RSM links to stalker blog story:

Did Little Green Footballs LIBEL the Heartland Institute? [Link: diaryofdaedalus.com...] GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!

Heartland lackey Lakely retweets RSM's link to stalker blog.

247 jaunte  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:49:55pm

re: #243 Your ad could be here.

Venezuelan says stop the pun thread, people turn and ask "what's a zuelan?"

248 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:51:06pm

re: #246 Kronocide

So just to rehash:

stalker blog notes Charles' commenting about Heartland sending an email to cease and desist

RSM links to stalker blog story:

Heartland lackey Lakely retweets RSM's link to stalker blog.

Amazing, isn't it? It's like a window into the right wing hate machine.

249 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:51:16pm

re: #246 Kronocide

So just to rehash:

stalker blog notes Charles' commenting about Heartland sending an email to cease and desist

RSM links to stalker blog story:

Heartland lackey Lakely retweets RSM's link to stalker blog.

Great Circle of Derp.

250 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:51:28pm

re: #244 Decatur Deb

Yeah, I'll just copt to fatigue and be done with it.

Dogon it, you gotta go sleep, cossack waits for you.

251 engineer cat  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:52:06pm

oh we're falling off the puns asinorum agin i kin seere: #247 jaunte

Venezuelan says stop the pun thread, people turn and ask "what's a zuelan?"

en espanol se dice 'de guatamala a guatapeor'

252 sagehen  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:52:24pm

re: #235 SH1T My Conscience Says

I'm taking my whisky and I'm going to kill some pigs by flinging birds at them.

'Night all.

I just want to brag that on Year of the Dragon, my ranking is below 4000. Ha!! (most of the seasons, I'm in the mid-5 figures).

253 Gus  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:53:10pm

re: #249 Decatur Deb

Great Circle of Derp Jerk.

FTFY

254 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:53:37pm

re: #250 Your ad could be here.

Dogon it, you gotta go sleep, cossack waits for you.

Benin to bed already--just woke up.

255 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:54:08pm

re: #242 Decatur Deb

Depending on circumstances the survival plan might be more important.

I don't really have much of a zombie plan. I figure I'll zip down to Costco and hole up there while everyone else is busy getting shot by the gun shop owner who actually wants to keep his guns and shit.

Then, after about four days or so, I'll ring up the gun shop guy and see if he wants to trade any guns for butter. He should be pretty hungry by then.

256 sagehen  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:55:50pm

re: #255 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't really have much of a zombie plan. I figure I'll zip down to Costco and hole up there while everyone else is busy getting shot by the gun shop owner who actually wants to keep his guns and shit.

Then, after about four days or so, I'll ring up the gun shop guy and see if he wants to trade any guns for butter. He should be pretty hungry by then.

Hungry enough to shoot you and take your butter. And he'll still have his guns (and your wife and your gold and your heritage seeds).

257 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:56:17pm

re: #254 Decatur Deb

Benin to bed already--just woke up.

I don't believe you, it's all just a fars.

258 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:57:47pm

re: #256 sagehen

Well, I don't have a wife, or gold, or heritage seeds. But guess what I will have? I may be slow, but I'm not dumb enough to end up on the Darwin Awards: Apocalypse Edition.

259 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:58:46pm

re: #257 Your ad could be here.

I don't believe you, it's all just a fars.

Don't karelia, just want something to croat.

260 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 8:59:24pm

re: #259 Decatur Deb

Don't karelia, just want something to croat.

Don't worry, hun, have a danish.

261 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:00:22pm

re: #260 Your ad could be here.

I so want an Apple danish.

Not even kidding.

262 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:00:56pm

re: #261 ProGunLiberal

I so want an Apple danish.

Not even kidding.

With some hot Java?

263 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:01:04pm

re: #260 Your ad could be here.

Don't worry, hun, have a danish.

Frankly, I could use a berliner.

264 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:01:57pm

re: #263 Decatur Deb

Frankly, I could use a berliner.

You'll have to do with a hamburger, and let's not spill any more inka on this.

265 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:03:04pm

re: #264 Your ad could be here.

You'll have to do with hamburger, and let's not spill any more inka on this.

A hamburger, or wiener, and I'd be berber all night.

266 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:03:38pm

re: #265 Decatur Deb

A hamburger, or wiener, and I'd be berber all night.

You say it, but kenya do it?

267 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:03:47pm

re: #262 Your ad could be here.

No, don't like coffee.

Seriously, where can I get apple danishes? On campus, they have cherry and Cheese Danishes.

268 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:05:32pm

re: #266 Your ad could be here.

You say it, but kenya do it?

Anatolya once, I never welsh on a dare.

269 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:06:36pm

re: #268 Decatur Deb

Anatolya once, I never welsh on a dare.

OK then. But I would still recommend cheese kurds, good for your health.

270 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:06:46pm

re: #268 Decatur Deb

Anatolya once, I never welsh on a dare.

Y'all are making my head spin with the speed of these puns, I'm impressed. Maya join you guys?

271 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:07:53pm

re: #270 Slumbering Behemoth

Y'all are making my head spin with the speed of these puns, I'm impressed. Maya join you guys?

No. Mad?

272 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:08:56pm

re: #270 Slumbering Behemoth

Y'all are making my head spin with the speed of these puns, I'm impressed. Maya join you guys?

You pict a bad time to show up.

273 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:09:13pm

re: #272 Decatur Deb

You pict a bad time to show up.

True. Now I'm hungary.

274 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:10:54pm

You guys might like this little page...

275 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:11:10pm

re: #273 Your ad could be here.

True. Now I'm hungary.

FRY up some bologna.

276 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:12:10pm

re: #275 Decatur Deb

FRY up some bologna.

I'm better off with a juicy mandarin.

/I could go there, but...

277 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:13:16pm

You could only hopi to join this thread.

278 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:13:48pm

re: #277 Meh.

You could only hopi to join this thread.

Don't be a Stinkard.

279 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:16:32pm

re: #277 Meh.

You could only hopi to join this thread.

Try collecting instead. Seychelles, or stones.

280 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:16:51pm

A pun thread is a good way to doukhobur.

281 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:18:08pm

re: #280 Decatur Deb

A pun thread is a good way to doukhobur.

Yes, punic threads can be epic.

282 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:20:46pm

Ok, I think I'll tagalog with others upstairs. Tatar!

283 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:21:01pm

re: #281 Your ad could be here.

Yes, punic threads can be epic.

It is fun, inuit?

284 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:22:19pm

re: #283 Decatur Deb

It is fun, inuit?

Yes, and the turkey is tasty, but I'm dungan.

285 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:31:29pm

re: #284 Your ad could be here.

Yes, and the turkey is tasty, but I'm dungan.

Too much greece in turkey.

286 dell*nix  Sun, Feb 19, 2012 9:51:59pm

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