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GOP Pushing Mandatory Invasive Ultrasound Legislation in Pennsylvania Too

The Republican Party’s total war on women’s rights
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The GOP’s uterus inspection device

Virginia isn’t the only state in which Republicans are trying to pass vicious slut-shaming mandatory ultrasound laws, of course; the GOP is also pushing this misogynistic legislation in Louisiana, North Carolina, Texas, and now Pennsylvania.

A bill that would require women to have an ultrasound at least 24 hours before an abortion, passed through the Pennsylvania House Health Committee earlier this month.

House Bill 1077, sponsored by State Rep. Kathy Rapp, R-District 65, would also require doctors performing the ultrasounds to position the screen so that the patient can easily see the full image.

It would also provide women with ultrasound images in sealed envelopes, one to keep and one to provide to the doctor performing the abortion.

Maria Gallagher, the legislative director of the Pennsylvania Pro-Life Federation, called the bill a “victory for patients’ rights.” …

“It’s essentially an attempt to shame women into not having an abortion,” said Andy Hoover, legislative director for the ACLU of Pennsylvania.

Hoover said the bill falsely suggests that women aren’t capable of making informed decisions of their own.

“This legislation brings the government into a place where it does not belong,” Hoover said. “Into an exam room, into a doctor’s office where a doctor is consulting with a patient. And it’s cruel to women, quite frankly.”

Related:
CNN’s Dana Loesch Equates Mandatory Trans-Vaginal Ultrasound to Having Sex

Also see:
Invasive Abortion ‘Ultrasound’ Bill Passes House Committee

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220 comments

1 dragonfire1981  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:11:43am

I look forward to the first case where a doctor refuses to perform one of these sonograms in violation of the law and the whole thing ends up in court.

2 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:12:16am

I am really pissed off at all the 'moderate' Republicans who somehow convinced themselves this shit wouldn't happen.

This is not surprising. This is what has been predicted since the GOP made a deal with the devil (heh) and got in bed with the deep religious right. They gave them access, and patronizingly thought they could keep them under control.

They couldn't.

Welcome to the USA, 2012.

3 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:13:51am

re: #2 Obdicut

I am really pissed off at all the 'moderate' Republicans who somehow convinced themselves this shit wouldn't happen.

This is not surprising. This is what has been predicted since the GOP made a deal with the devil (heh) and got in bed with the deep religious right. They gave them access, and patronizingly thought they could keep them under control.

They couldn't.

Welcome to the USA, 2012.

All the more reason not to vote for any Republican for any reason. The moderates will back their assholes every time "for the good of the party."

4 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:13:58am

re: #2 Obdicut

I am really pissed off at all the 'moderate' Republicans who somehow convinced themselves this shit wouldn't happen.

This is not surprising. This is what has been predicted since the GOP made a deal with the devil (heh) and got in bed with the deep religious right. They gave them access, and patronizingly thought they could keep them under control.

They couldn't.

Welcome to the USA, 2012.

Yep, for years, what did they say? "The fringe doesn't matter, because they will never have the numbers to get this shit out of committee."

Then '10 happened, now the moderates who are still with the party are left either making excuses or just staying silent.

5 Coracle  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:15:00am

re: #1 dragonfire1981

I look forward to the first case where a doctor refuses to perform one of these sonograms in violation of the law and the whole thing ends up in court.

That's what it's going to take to get it to stop. Probably nothing short.

6 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:15:26am

re: #4 Targetpractice

Even last election, I had moderate Republican friends saying that they'd somehow root these people out of the party after the election. Always after the election.

I can't tell if they were fooling themselves or me.

7 mr.fusion  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:15:30am

Fiscal responsibility!!!

8 Artist  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:15:48am

On behalf of my state: Fuck you, GOP.

9 The Left  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:17:18am

FAQ: What is “slut-shaming”?

Short answer: Slut-shaming, also known as slut-bashing, is the idea of shaming and/or attacking a woman or a girl for being sexual, having one or more sexual partners, acknowledging sexual feelings, and/or acting on sexual feelings. Furthermore, it’s “about the implication that if a woman has sex that traditional society disapproves of, she should feel guilty and inferior” (Alon Levy, Slut Shaming). It is damaging not only to the girls and women targeted, but to women in general an society as a whole. It should be noted that slut-shaming can occur even if the term “slut” itself is not used.

10 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:18:13am

Looks like the American Taliban™ has finally found a gimmick in which to easily hamper a woman's freedom of choice.

11 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:19:35am

re: #9 Klaatu barada nikto

FAQ: What is “slut-shaming”?

Short answer: Slut-shaming, also known as slut-bashing, is the idea of shaming and/or attacking a woman or a girl for being sexual, having one or more sexual partners, acknowledging sexual feelings, and/or acting on sexual feelings. Furthermore, it’s “about the implication that if a woman has sex that traditional society disapproves of, she should feel guilty and inferior” (Alon Levy, Slut Shaming). It is damaging not only to the girls and women targeted, but to women in general an society as a whole. It should be noted that slut-shaming can occur even if the term “slut” itself is not used.

See also Scarlet Letter.

12 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:20:45am

Ohio state House speaker jokes that Obama should be sent to jail

“The liberals are asking us to give Obama more time. And I think 25-to-life would be a good start,” Batchelder told a crowd of more than 1,000 people at the Summit County Republican Party Lincoln Day Dinner. He made the remarks as he was introducing former senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), who has been spending the past two days campaigning in the Buckeye State.

Some in the post-dinner audience responded to Batchelder’s remarks with laughter, and the state House speaker continued.

“I don’t want to say that he’s incompetent, but as you’ll recall, Jimmy Carter endorsed him early on,” he said. “The reason for that is so that Jimmy Carter wouldn’t be the worst president in the history of the United States.”

13 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:23:53am

re: #6 Obdicut

Even last election, I had moderate Republican friends saying that they'd somehow root these people out of the party after the election. Always after the election.

I can't tell if they were fooling themselves or me.

Miniscule variant of "We'll get our shit together after the Glorious Revolution succeeds" and exactly as feasible.

14 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:24:51am

re: #6 Obdicut

Even last election, I had moderate Republican friends saying that they'd somehow root these people out of the party after the election. Always after the election.

I can't tell if they were fooling themselves or me.

I remember many, myself included, saying through '10 that the Tea Party would be a legislative flash in the pan. That as soon as they got to D.C., the leadership would hijack them and bring them to heel. Throw them a little red meat now and then, but otherwise just farm them for votes.

Funny how that's not how it worked out, huh?

15 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:24:56am

re: #2 Obdicut

I am really pissed off at all the 'moderate' Republicans who somehow convinced themselves this shit wouldn't happen.

I'll defer to John Cole here:

ATTN: Moderate Republicans- at this point, you are out of excuses. No more BS about trying to take the party back. No more crap about your principles or how you are an old school conservative or just don’t feel comfortable with Democrats. You vote Republican, you vote for the maniacs. No more bullshit excuses to help you sleep at night. You vote for them, you are one of them. Period.

16 leftynyc  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:26:38am

WTF is wrong with the right?!!! How do they think this is going to get them votes? Do they really think the majority of women are willingly going to go back in time and give men control over our bodies again? At the same time they scream about small government? Who are these people?

17 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:27:00am

Is this more of that less government they keep promising us?

18 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:27:48am

re: #17 Bulworth

Is this more of that less government they keep promising us?

Government small enough to fit in a woman's uterus.

19 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:28:35am

re: #17 Bulworth

Is this more of that less government they keep promising us?

Its smaller government, which means they can afford to make a lot more. They never said less.

20 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:28:44am

Well. Like Idaho. What can I say. Now we're talking Pennsyltucky.

21 Coracle  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:28:45am

re: #16 leftynyc

Who are these people?

These are people who think a woman should do as she's told.

22 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:30:36am

re: #16 leftynyc

WTF is wrong with the right?!!! How do they think this is going to get them votes? Do they really think the majority of women are willingly going to go back in time and give men control over our bodies again? At the same time they scream about small government? Who are these people?

QFT, but also:

The answer that wraps all those elements together is: They don't want to gain voters, they want to constrain the total voting pool.

23 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:31:06am

Image: Pennsyltucky.png

Red and blue are the metro areas. But barely mind you. The white areas represent greater Pennsyltucky.

24 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:31:13am
25 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:31:19am

re: #21 Coracle

These are people who think a woman should do as she's told.

Like this woman? She obeys orders, it seems.

[Link: campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com...]

She shames me and my sedentary ways.

26 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:31:26am

Remember when the Teabaggers were warning about death panels and over-intrusive government via the ACA? Good times...

27 erik_t  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:34:26am

re: #23 Gus

Image: Pennsyltucky.png

Red and blue are the metro areas. But barely mind you. The white areas represent greater Pennsyltucky.

OT, pretty neat that you can actually see the geography of the Appalachians reflected in some of those center (not Centre) counties.

28 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:35:16am

Do you suppose the drill sergeant called her "maggot?"

"Don't you maggot me, young man. You close that mouth, or I'll show you maggot."

29 iossarian  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:35:33am

re: #2 Obdicut

I am really pissed off at all the 'moderate' Republicans who somehow convinced themselves this shit wouldn't happen.

Where the fuck is that clown Buck, for starters.

"Blah blah blah, Roe vs. Wade is settled law, blah blah blah."

30 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:36:45am

re: #26 Bulworth

Remember when the Teabaggers were warning about death panels and over-intrusive government via the ACA? Good times...

Yeah, I do indeed remember. I also remember saying the same thing then I say now, that the Tea Party and the GOP at large are not against "big government," so long as they're the ones calling the shots.

31 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:37:31am

The past couple of weeks have sure double-quadruple-doubled the crazy level. Somehow we've managed to go from birth control to Santorum rising to pre-abortion rape laws. Can't keep up.

32 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:37:38am

Pennsylvania - the same state where they couldn't be bothered to actually enforce the laws on the books to shut down illegal abortions carried out by Gosnell (they caught him only after a completely separate investigation into running a pill mill exposed investigators into illegal 3d trimester abortions, lack of sanitary practices, and potentially killing several women in botched abortions).

Instead, they're going to impose invasive and costly procedures that serve no purpose other than to further shame women who are seeking to access a still legal medical procedure.

I can't seem to come up with an equivalent procedure for men, but perhaps this will do - if men want cialis or viagra, they must undergo a mandatory prostate examination. It's about as invasive as one can figure, with the same level of medical necessity (which is to say pretty much nil), but costly and only serves to dissuade anyone from the procedure/drug.

33 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:38:47am

The teabaggers will certainly rise en masse and loudly protest this intrusive ultrasound law. (crickets)

34 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:39:22am

I really never had a problem with people who for religious reasons did not want to ever get an abortion.
I also never had a problem with compromising with anti abortionists and i always respected their opinions. Things have changed now.

35 iossarian  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:39:58am

re: #33 Bulworth

The teabaggers will certainly rise en masse and loudly protest this intrusive ultrasound law.

Image: alain_delon_gif.gif

36 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:40:13am

Don't worry. They'll move faster on this then they would to prevent any future Jerry Sanduskys. I see a pattern here.

37 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:41:32am

Fox Pundit Doesn’t Apologize For Saying Women In Military Should ‘Expect’ Sexual Assault

This weekend on Fox News, Trotta tried clarify what she meant, saying that she’s concerned about “the hardline feminists” trying “to force the Pentagon to lift the ban on women in combat.” She added that, “Accordingly, the political correctness infecting the Pentagon has resulted in silly and dishonest fairy tales about female heroism.”

But instead of offering any regret for saying women in the military should expect sexual assault, she dug in a bit further, seeming to agree with the American Family Association’s Bryan Fischer that women should not serve in combat at all because they’re, well, women:

TROTTA: The military is not a social services operation, or a testing ground for gender wars. It is a fighting machine. Women are not as strong as men. Their instincts and reactions in crises are markedly different. There’s a reality the left will not face: biology is not destiny.

How can a mere woman be expected to hold a spear or load a musket and fight in the phalanx along side the men?!

38 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:42:05am

re: #32 lawhawk

I can't seem to come up with an equivalent procedure for men, but perhaps this will do - if men want cialis or viagra, they must undergo a mandatory prostate examination. It's about as invasive as one can figure, with the same level of medical necessity (which is to say pretty much nil), but costly and only serves to dissuade anyone from the procedure/drug.

I believe a state senator somewhere proposed a similar amendment, but it was not put up for a vote.

39 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:42:29am

re: #35 iossarian

///

Hey, anybody know where the teabag townhalls will be to protest this big government ultrasound law? //

40 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:43:34am

re: #39 Bulworth

Because Big Uterus is not part of the big tent of "small" government.

41 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:43:44am

re: #33 Bulworth

The teabaggers will certainly rise en masse and loudly protest this intrusive ultrasound law.

The TPers are totally thrilled with this law, as are their libertarian allies. Even for those who aren't Bible-thumpers or "moral majority" voters, they see it as a good thing because they view abortion as inherently liberal and thus something like this is a "victory" against liberals.

42 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:43:58am

re: #29 iossarian

Where the fuck is that clown Buck, for starters.

"Blah blah blah, Roe vs. Wade is settled law, blah blah blah."

///And remember this isn't rape because the doctors aren't using force!

43 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:44:17am

re: #39 Bulworth
Well to be fair, tea baggers really don't want big government, just big religion!

44 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:44:24am

The GOP has become a 24-hour cable outlet of crazy.

I would have thought they'd run into trouble filling 24 hours a day with crazy, but they seem to have no problem doing so.

45 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:44:26am
House Bill 1077, sponsored by State Rep. Kathy Rapp, R-District 65, would also require doctors performing the ultrasounds to position the screen so that the patient can easily see the full image.

It would also provide women with ultrasound images in sealed envelopes, one to keep and one to provide to the doctor performing the abortion.

Maria Gallagher, the legislative director of the Pennsylvania Pro-Life Federation, called the bill a “victory for patients’ rights.”

Well, see there, the women getting the ultrasound can easily close their eyes.. Patient's rights!! //

46 dragonath  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:44:38am

These guys are really trying to get hammered in November. Then again, I don't know.

In PA, there isn't even a tax on extracting natural gas through fracking, and they got away with it. The state legislature is trying to gut even the most basic environmental protections. They've already gerrymandered the federal congressional districts, cut public education spending by 10% (and are proposing a 30% cut in higher education)... and now this.

Trying to keep up with Santorum I guess.

47 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:44:56am

re: #44 makeitstop

The GOP has become a 24-hour cable outlet of crazy.

I would have thought they'd run into trouble filling 24 hours a day with crazy, but they seem to have no problem doing so.

They should get their own 24 hour cable news channel... no wait.

48 iossarian  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:46:10am

BBL peeps.

49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:46:43am

re: #32 lawhawk

I can't seem to come up with an equivalent procedure for men, but perhaps this will do - if men want cialis or viagra, they must undergo a mandatory prostate examination. It's about as invasive as one can figure, with the same level of medical necessity (which is to say pretty much nil), but costly and only serves to dissuade anyone from the procedure/drug.

How about a Viagra Consent Panel?

50 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:47:08am

re: #46 dragonath

PA previously elected Santorum to Congress, so it's not surprising that the legislature is pursuing a course of action that mirrors that which Santorum believes.

51 The Left  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:48:56am

Jimmah and I are just back from the pub and listening to Kate Bush. We encountered our local racist again. It became apparent to us that he was looking for validation for his NON-racist views--i guess he knows lots of racists but not so many people who aren't.

52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:53:20am

re: #51 Klaatu barada nikto

How I love me some Kate Bush.

53 The Left  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:54:39am

re: #52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How I love me some Kate Bush.

54 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:56:49am
55 leftynyc  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:57:20am

re: #32 lawhawk

I agree your analogy is as close as you're going to get except men will willingly do the prostate exam with the thought it will lead to something pleasurable (getting that erection and having sex). Women will have to go through one more unpleasant experience in order to be "allowed" to go through another unpleasant experience.

56 The Left  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:57:44am

re: #54 Lidane

Haha. The Clenis will run these people's lives for years!

57 Aye Pod  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:58:46am

re: #51 Klaatu barada nikto

Jimmah and I are just back from the pub and listening to Kate Bush. We encountered our local racist again. It became apparent to us that he was looking for validation for his NON-racist views--i guess he knows lots of racists but not so many people who aren't.

Yeah he told us about his black grand daughter today and "how could anyone be racist after looking into her eyes?" This is from the guy who was a week ago complaining about the increase in 'spear-chuckers'. Definitely a person in conflict, looking for a way out of being a bigot.

58 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:00:54pm

re: #57 Jimmah

Yeah he told us about his black grand daughter today and "how could anyone be racist after looking into her eyes?" This is from the guy who was a week ago complaining about the increase in 'spear-chuckers'. Definitely a person in conflict, looking for a way out of being a bigot.

Tell him to watch American History X.

59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:01:46pm

re: #53 Klaatu barada nikto

To me? Her videos are pretentious. Love her music. Notable in this song, there is a single note that runs the entire length of the song as an undercurrent. The only time I've ever noticed that happen. Fascinates me.

Her song "Wow" knocks me out every time I hear it.

60 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:01:53pm

re: #57 Jimmah

Every white supremacist I've met in real life had a black best friend.

I can't explain humans.

61 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:02:11pm

Rand Paul Opposed Synthetic Drug Prohibition To Protect You From Radical Islam

Late last year Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) cited the fact that many prisoners convert to Islam as cause for blocking legislation that would make synthetic drugs illegal.

Paul explained in a December letter sent to Sens. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) and Chuck Grassley (R-IA) recently obtained by the Bowling Green Daily News that he was blocking the bill because the “stigma of incarceration can make it practically impossible for many people to find work after they are finally released from prison.”

But there was also another reason.

“In addition, there has been much discussion in the Senate regarding combatting radical Islam. Notably, Islam is currently the fastest-growing religion among prisoners in the United States. Sending people - often young people - who may already come from broken homes and difficult family situations into a brutal prison environment is potentially a breeding ground for radicalization,” Paul wrote.

62 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:04:22pm

re: #61 Kragar

Rand Paul Opposed Synthetic Drug Prohibition To Protect You From Radical Islam

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Late last year Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) cited the fact that many prisoners convert to Islam as cause for blocking legislation that would make synthetic drugs illegal.

Remind me how Republicans are suppose to be "tough on crime" again?

63 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:06:17pm

re: #62 jamesfirecat

Remind me how Republicans are suppose to be "tough on crime" again?

I got nothing.

64 Aye Pod  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:06:52pm

Later folks :)

65 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:06:55pm

re: #61 Kragar

This came up earlier or in an earlier thread...so we have one of the biggest prison populations in the world and only now we are starting to worry about prisons being a hotbed of fundementalist Islam?

66 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:10:11pm

Afternoon all!

I think I caught my husband's cold.

WTF with the ultrasound. Why are these people so interested in controlling sex all the sudden. I am more than tired of it.

HOw are you?

67 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:10:35pm

re: #65 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

This came up earlier or in an earlier thread...so we have one of the biggest prison populations in the world and only now we are starting to worry about prisons being a hotbed of fundementalist Islam?

Meanwhile, we've got state governors granting pardons to any felon who can convince them they found Jesus.

68 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:10:57pm

re: #2 Obdicut

I am really pissed off at all the 'moderate' Republicans who somehow convinced themselves this shit wouldn't happen.

This is not surprising. This is what has been predicted since the GOP made a deal with the devil (heh) and got in bed with the deep religious right Christian Taliban. They gave them access, and patronizingly thought they could keep them under control.

They couldn't.

Welcome to the USA, 2012.

FTFY

69 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:11:29pm

re: #68 ggt

FTFY

I still prefer the term "Evangeliban."

70 dragonath  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:11:37pm

re: #50 lawhawk

Oh, I know. I'm frustrated with the politics in this state. Most of the complaints about Rendell were about things the Republicans have no compunction about doing themselves.

I should have seen it coming though. During the 2004 election a number of local Republican activists were pushing the Constituion party candidate over Arlen Specter.

71 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:11:58pm

re: #66 ggt

Why are these people so interested in controlling sex all the sudden. I am more than tired of it.

Controlling sex = controlling women = restoring the "natural order" of things.

I wish I was kidding, but that's how these people see it. They're still pissed about the women's liberation movement and are determined to roll it back at all costs.

72 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:13:31pm

re: #9 Klaatu barada nikto

FAQ: What is “slut-shaming”?

Short answer: Slut-shaming, also known as slut-bashing, is the idea of shaming and/or attacking a woman or a girl for being sexual, having one or more sexual partners, acknowledging sexual feelings, and/or acting on sexual feelings. Furthermore, it’s “about the implication that if a woman has sex that traditional society disapproves of, she should feel guilty and inferior” (Alon Levy, Slut Shaming). It is damaging not only to the girls and women targeted, but to women in general an society as a whole. It should be noted that slut-shaming can occur even if the term “slut” itself is not used.

EXELLENT LINK!

. But slut-bashing is a form of sexual harassment, and it is illegal under Title IX, which entitles students to a harassment-free education. If a teacher witnesses slut-bashing, she must make sure that it stops. [...] [Teachers and school administrators] must create and publicize awareness through sexual harassment policies for their schools.

Schools and youth programs have an obligation to talk to kids about the harm in sexual labeling. [

73 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:14:12pm

re: #72 ggt

This is also seen as "returning to the natural order of things"

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:16:42pm

re: #28 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Do you suppose the drill sergeant called her "maggot?"

"Don't you maggot me, young man. You close that mouth, or I'll show you maggot."

I love that the guy she was paired with didn't want to hit her, and she offered to pay for his therapy.

75 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:17:28pm

re: #71 Lidane

Controlling sex = controlling women = restoring the "natural order" of things.

I wish I was kidding, but that's how these people see it. They're still pissed about the women's liberation movement and are determined to roll it back at all costs.

From Juante's post in the previous thread:
Why Patriarchal Men Are Utterly Petrified of Birth Control -- And Why We'll Still Be Fighting About it 100 Years From Now

76 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:22:37pm
77 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:23:41pm

re: #76 Lidane

No it is not and never has been: it is about a perceived vulnerable point in Obama's policies, one that they have decided to use as a rallying point.

78 leftynyc  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:25:47pm

re: #77 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

No it is not and never has been: it is about a perceived vulnerable point in Obama's policies, one that they have decided to use as a rallying point.

Good luck convincing women of that when it only effects us. On second thought, I hope this issue blows the republican party apart at its seams.

79 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:26:09pm

re: #76 Lidane

Its about men being allowed the religious freedom to tell women what to do.

80 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:26:49pm

All this bullshite because a Black Man is in the White House?

Idiocy.

White Patricians are cowards.

81 Coracle  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:28:38pm

re: #78 leftynyc

Good luck convincing women of that when it only effects us. On second thought, I hope this issue blows the republican party apart at its seams.

I wish. It's important, if sad, to note that reactionary women were active and instrumental in the defeat of ERA back in the 70's. This won't be as fracturing as it should be.

82 Mattand  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:29:13pm

re: #2 Obdicut

I am really pissed off at all the 'moderate' Republicans who somehow convinced themselves this shit wouldn't happen.

This is not surprising. This is what has been predicted since the GOP made a deal with the devil (heh) and got in bed with the deep religious right. They gave them access, and patronizingly thought they could keep them under control.

They couldn't.

Welcome to the USA, 2012.

This is what I was alluding to Majorie Moon about last night on the Girl Scout thread last night. I never here the few "moderate" conservatives I know decry this shit.

83 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:29:24pm

re: #43 The fascist squeaky wheels get the grease

Well to be fair, tea baggers really don't want big government, just big religion!

To run the government

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:30:13pm

re: #78 leftynyc

Good luck convincing women of that when it only effects us. On second thought, I hope this issue blows the republican party apart at its seams.

Thing is, it does affect men. Less directly, in some cases, but a man whose female partner can't get birth control through her healthcare is facing a real problem, and is being told that the decisions he and his family are making about their health and future can be interfered with by employers.

So much for the sanctity of the family. They had a sort of Tea Party statement of beliefs going around last year some time, and it had this thing about 'my spouse and I are the ultimate authority for our family, not the state'. Apparently, as long as it's the state upholding your boss, no, not really.

People who trust a couple to decide how hard they can hit their kid, but not whether to have another kid.

85 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:30:18pm

re: #76 Lidane

... well, actually, considering the fascinating article posted previously, he's right.

For those who haven't gone and read it, here's a simple summary.

The pill (in particular and other contraceptives in general) is quite possibly a technological advance that exceeds anything since the wheel given its impact on societies worldwide.

Prior to contraceptives, anatomy was destiny. With contraceptives, pregnancy can be delayed and even avoided making anatomy's destiny optional. With pregnancy no longer being essentially unavoidable, the male role of protector/controller also gets significantly reduced. Given that those two roles are almost axiomatic in most cultures the reduction/elimination is shattering.

Given how long it took to "get over" things like the effect of the printing press or the steam engine or the internal combustion engine, believing that we're done with the chaos a mere 50 years later is wallowing in ignorance.

86 Mattand  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:35:30pm

Paraphrase from my Twitter page about this article:

Every so often I have a Southeast PA resident get in my face about how rotten they think NJ is.* Next time that happens I'm going to remind them about this horseshit. First the Dover Intelligent Design case, and now this.

We've got our problems in NJ, but we haven't sunk this low yet.**

*Not everyone is like this. However, the outright hostility towards NJ that some people display borders on bigotry (and I don't use that word lightly).

**I'm not wild about Christie's gay marriage veto, but I'd like to think he's against unnecessary invasive medical procedures. He may prove me wrong, however.

87 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:35:56pm

re: #85 kirkspencer

Goes away to explain why they are rallying around this one with such a vengeance: they might see this as a last-ditch effort to turn things back to they way they think they ought to be...

88 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:37:33pm

Premature arrival of the Future.

I used to help out at a local used book sale every year. Future Shock by Alvin Toffler was one of the books we had so many copies of we'd give them away free with purchase.

Am beginning to think I should have read it.

89 garhighway  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:38:12pm

re: #86 mattand

Paraphrase from my Twitter page about this article:

Every so often I have a Southeast PA resident get in my face about how rotten they think NJ is.* Next time that happens I'm going to remind them about this horseshit. First the Dover Intelligent Design case, and now this.

We've got our problems in NJ, but we haven't sunk this low yet.**

*Not everyone is like this. However, the outright hostility towards NJ that some people display borders on bigotry (and I don't use that word lightly).

**I'm not wild about Christie's gay marriage veto, but I'd like to think he's against unnecessary invasive medical procedures. He may prove me wrong, however.

Christie's willingness to pander to the religious right is directly correlated with his intention to run for president in 2016.

90 nines09  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:40:20pm

re: #46 dragonath

These guys are really trying to get hammered in November. Then again, I don't know.

In PA, there isn't even a tax on extracting natural gas through fracking, and they got away with it. The state legislature is trying to gut even the most basic environmental protections. They've already gerrymandered the federal congressional districts, cut public education spending by 10% (and are proposing a 30% cut in higher education)... and now this.

Trying to keep up with Santorum I guess.

Check house bill 1950. You just lost your right to refuse drilling.

91 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:40:27pm

re: #89 garhighway

Christie's willingness to pander to the religious right is directly correlated with his intention to run for president in 2016.

I was impressed by him smacking down the knee-jerk Islamophobes who criticized him, but face it: either you pander to the base or you run for President as an independent.

92 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:41:19pm

re: #90 Are You A Mike Huckabee Burned Down House?

Check house bill 1950. You just lost your right to refuse drilling.

Sluts have no right to refuse an invasive practice, remember?

93 carlaschluge  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:43:22pm

The bill has 113 co-sponsors out of 203 house members. The co-sponsors include Democrats.

94 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:44:23pm

re: #91 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

I was impressed by him smacking down the knee-jerk Islamophobes who criticized him, but face it: either you pander to the base or you run for President as an independent.

I was too, but when I saw that he also appointed a gay judge to the NJ Supreme Court, then turned around and vetoed the gay marriage bill, I began to wonder at what point he might also decide that Muslims' civil rights weren't important either.

95 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:44:46pm

re: #93 carlaschluge

The bill has 113 co-sponsors out of 203 house members. The co-sponsors include Democrats.

Yep. There's a lot of asshole conservative/corporatist democrats in PA.

Your point?

96 Mattand  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:45:16pm

re: #89 garhighway

Christie's willingness to pander to the religious right is directly correlated with his intention to run for president in 2016.

Tell me something I don't know. :)

In a way, the gay marriage thing was great strategy for any POTUS/Vice POTUS aspirations:

1. The legislation gets on his desk and he vetoes it, the GOP RW nut jobs think he's a hero.

2. His veto somehow get overridden, he comes off as a conservative who tried to do the "right thing."

3. He get the voter referendum he wants. Regardless of which way it goes, he get to say it wasn't up to him.

As we get closer to 2016, it'll be interesting he gets his Mitt on and starts pandering.

97 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:45:27pm

Future Shock Part 2

Interesting to see what was thought in 1972 as "change"". HA!

Not too long after the "Pill" became available.

98 nines09  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:46:55pm

re: #92 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Sluts have no right to refuse an invasive practice, remember?

They have me so pissed off. Totally pissed off. I pity the next GOP/TP hack who rings my doorbell.

99 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:48:43pm

re: #89 garhighway

Christie's willingness to pander to the religious right is directly correlated with his intention to run for president in 2016 be available as VP for 2012.

I don't think he's setting up for a 2016 run; he's probably figuring that he's got a good chance at being VP nominee in 2012 (especially if Romney wins). This helps with that.

As for the New Jersey-PA social spat, I think it's a Philly versus Southern NJ thing because there's a similar dynamic between Northern and Southern NJ - figuring that the Driscol Bridge on the GSP/New Brunswick on the Turnpike split the state on a n/s bias. Southern NJ really is that bass-ackward, and you get a similar train of thought looking at PA other than Philly and some of its burbs.

100 carlaschluge  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:48:47pm

re: #95 Obdicut

Yep. There's a lot of asshole conservative democrats in PA.

Your point?

At least 13 Democrats are co-sponsoring the bill. I have no idea whether they're aholes, but they probably know what the majority of their constituents want, and they probably want to get re-elected.

101 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:49:07pm
102 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:50:36pm

re: #100 carlaschluge

but they probably know what the majority of their constituents want,

Why do you say that? For example, the US public wants higher taxes on those making high incomes, but the GOP resolutely votes against it.

Are you really that naive to think that congresspeople just do what their constituents want? That special interests, lobbyists, and those who campaign fundraise for them, the SuperPACs, you don't think those have any influence on congresspeople?

103 Mattand  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:51:42pm

re: #99 lawhawk

Southern NJ really is that bass-ackward, and you get a similar train of thought looking at PA other than Philly and some of its burbs.

Whew. For a minute there, I thought you were going to make an unfounded ignorant comment about an area I've lived most of my life in.

Jesus Fucking Christ...

104 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:52:43pm

re: #103 mattand

You're from South Jersey? Coal miner?

105 nines09  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:53:23pm

They succeeded in making totally hostile to church people who go door to door. In the fall some smiling faces came to my door, there was 2 women and a man. Real cheerily the asked me what my religion was. I asked them what business of theirs was my religion. They were taken back. Then they had the audacity to ask how many children lived in my house. I told them they had no right to know anything about me, especially my children, and to consider themselves trespassing and to take it out on the public street they were not welcome nor were they invited back and if they came back I would consider it trespassing and would call the cops. Screw them.

106 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:53:27pm

I have to groom the dogs.

Have a great afternoon all!

107 erik_t  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:53:34pm

re: #100 carlaschluge

At least 13 Democrats are co-sponsoring the bill. I have no idea whether they're aholes, but they probably know what the majority of their constituents want, and they probably want to get re-elected.

You think so? Virginians don't.

108 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:53:36pm

re: #93 carlaschluge

The bill has 113 co-sponsors out of 203 house members. The co-sponsors include Democrats.

No one ever said that stupidity, sexism and religiously-fueled derp was confined to people with an (R) after their name.

109 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:53:40pm

re: #103 mattand

Whew. For a minute there, I thought you were going to make an unfounded ignorant comment about an area I've lived most of my life in.

Jesus Fucking Christ...

South Jersey? Which exit?
/rimshot

110 Mattand  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:54:03pm

re: #104 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Blue Steel, baby!!!

That establishing shot with the caption underneath killed when we saw the movie.

111 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:54:18pm

re: #102 Obdicut

politicians, like the rest of us, tend to act in their perceived self-interest.

112 Mattand  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:55:27pm

re: #109 Kragar

South Jersey? Which exit?
/rimshot

The sad thing is, in my case, the answer was Exit 4.

113 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:55:52pm

re: #111 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

politicians, like the rest of us, tend to act in their perceived self-interest.

Well, there's a biological basis for altruism, and there's the fact that people act in ways they know is harmful to themselves a lot, etc. So I'd say that's a simplification.

114 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:56:19pm

re: #105 Are You A Mike Huckabee Burned Down House?

You missed a great chance to smile cheerily and ask them what their favorite sexual position was, which setting she uses on her vibrator, who sleeps on the wet spot, etc...

If you wanna get personal, we can get personal, too.

115 teresa  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:56:54pm

I have to tell you, this really is fantastic, Republicans everywhere attempting to relegate their party to the dustbin of history, where they belong. I for one am quite pleased with their headlong rush to irrelevancy.
1. They want to keep black (I mean blah) people from voting,
2. Return women to 1950's regarding reproductive health
3. Ditto 2 but replace women with GLBT
4. deny the existence of climate change and of all facts actually, probably even gravity if they could.
Carry on Republicans, I would like to thank you all in advance for returning control of the HoR to Dems and keeping the Senate in the hands of Dem's too, oh yes and keeping Barack Obama the President.
PS hope you got my tweet CJ, in case you haven't yet, those Heartland documents were not fake and the man who leaked them has come out from behind the Heartland door.
[Link: blogs.discovermagazine.com...]

116 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:57:56pm

re: #113 Obdicut

Well, there's a biological basis for altruism, and there's the fact that people act in ways they know is harmful to themselves a lot, etc. So I'd say that's a simplification.

we tend to act in our interest: altruism stands out because it bucks that trend

117 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:00:04pm

re: #115 teresa

You forgot introducing Creationism in schools while still embracing Social Darwinism in business, labor and financial dealings.

118 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:00:30pm

re: #114 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

You missed a great chance to smile cheerily and ask them what their favorite sexual position was, which setting she uses on her vibrator, who sleeps on the wet spot, etc...

If you wanna get personal, we can get personal, too.

The 5 Most Satisfying Tales of Payback

Having decided she had turned the other cheek to unwanted drop-ins far more times than any person should have to, Jane White worked up a plan to give those intrusive Jehovah's Witnesses a taste of their own medicine.

After gathering up all the religious material she possibly could, White showed up at a Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall at 10 a.m. The time was important -- she knew the group would be at the height of their service, and Jane White had designs on interrupting that shit, just like she'd been interrupted so many times before.

After banging on the door for a few minutes, she was let in by a confused church member who, along with every other worshiper in the place, was then subjected to Jane White's special brand of justice. For the next 30 minutes, she preached to the assembled JW's about her religion while handing out magazines. It was exactly like an unwanted visit from a Jehovah's Witness, except for the part where someone called the police and Jane White was escorted out of the building.

But it was no matter by then, because Jane White had her revenge. She was never bothered again, and we're assuming those pesky Jehovah's Witnesses moved on to newer, less vengeful potential converts. They're probably at your door right now.

119 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:11:19pm

I killed it.

120 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:11:47pm

re: #119 Kragar

I killed it.

Everyone left to read the entire Cracked piece you posted.

121 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:12:27pm

re: #120 jamesfirecat

Everyone left to read the entire Cracked piece you posted.

It doesn't take that long.

122 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:15:46pm

re: #121 Kragar

It doesn't take that long.

no, but I got distracted by the bit with the YB-17...

123 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:16:35pm

re: #122 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

no, but I got distracted by the bit with the YB-17...

"Nice girl, that Gina..."

124 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:20:13pm

re: #122 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

no, but I got distracted by the bit with the YB-17...

what, you mean they aren't still watching the extended k-pop video?

125 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:20:52pm

re: #122 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

no, but I got distracted by the bit with the YB-17...

The YB, when you just *have* to have more machineguns.

126 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:22:18pm

GOP pollster: ‘Run, Barack, Run’ sticker belongs on front bumper

Fox News contributor Frank Luntz on Monday made a suggestion about running over the nation’s first black president with his car.

Appearing at an event with Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum in West Michigan, the GOP pollster warmed up the audience with a few jokes. Video of the event was captured by The Grand Rapids Press.

“I actually have a ‘Run, Barack, Run’ bumper sticker, but I put it on the front of my car,” Luntz said.

127 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:23:33pm

And now for a NSFW (language) online dating service advert that further illustrates the necessity of cheap, safe, and effective birth control.

128 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:23:39pm

re: #126 Kragar

I really hope the Secret Service visits him.

129 leftynyc  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:28:45pm

re: #81 Coracle

I wish. It's important, if sad, to note that reactionary women were active and instrumental in the defeat of ERA back in the 70's. This won't be as fracturing as it should be.

Much has happened in the last 40 years - two generations of women have come of age having reproductive freedom - they (we) aren't going back and if it's a battle the right wants, they seriously wont know what hits them.

130 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:31:02pm

re: #128 Obdicut

I really hope the Secret Service visits him.

SATIRE!
/

131 BongCrodny  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:33:52pm

re: #108 Lidane

No one ever said that stupidity, sexism and religiously-fueled derp was confined to people with an (R) after their name.

Nope. But the percentage of Republicans is a *lot* higher under those parameters.

Carlaschluge trumpeted the fact that the bill includes Democratic co-sponsors. That's an incredibly disingenuous statement.

Out of 91 Democrats in the Pennsylvania House, 14 out of 91 co-sponsored the bill.

Republicans?

99 out of 112.

The number of female Democratic co-sponsors is exactly one.

132 Coracle  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:34:14pm

re: #129 leftynyc

Much has happened in the last 40 years - two generations of women have come of age having reproductive freedom - they (we) aren't going back and if it's a battle the right wants, they seriously wont know what hits them.

I sincerely hope you are right.

133 leftynyc  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:34:28pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist


Sorry SFZ - I vehemently disagree. It only affects (I'll never get that effect/affect thing right) men slightly and only inasmuch as it affects his partner. Women are ALWAYS going to get screwed by these laws and while I would hope plenty of men would help us fight this battle, I'm afraid women can't count on that.

134 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:38:00pm

re: #131 BongCrodny

I hope the Democrats can take the State House in 2012, un-gerrymander the seats, and rollback as much of the changes as possible.

However, I think the Democrats now need to fight as dirty as the Republicans.

For example, if we can retake the Congress, we need a BRAC. This BRAC should be used shut down many of the bases and military construction yards in the South, and move them to the North and West Coasts. That will decimate the Red State Economy. They don't want Federal Interference, take away their Federal Dollars. Don't give them Disaster Aid from now on either. They want state's rights, they can deal with the Catastrophes on their own.

135 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:39:22pm

re: #134 ProGunLiberal

Stop your stupid group blame bullshit. Plans to devastate economies cause real human suffering.

136 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:41:03pm

re: #135 Obdicut

You got any other ideas to fight against the Republican Party? All I want to do is show Republicans the consequences of their policies without inflicting it on the others in the nation.

137 erik_t  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:42:09pm

re: #134 ProGunLiberal

I hope the Democrats can take the State House in 2012, un-gerrymander the seats, and rollback as much of the changes as possible.

However, I think the Democrats now need to fight as dirty as the Republicans.

For example, if we can retake the Congress, we need a BRAC. This BRAC should be used shut down many of the bases and military construction yards in the South, and move them to the North and West Coasts. That will decimate the Red State Economy. They don't want Federal Interference, take away their Federal Dollars. Don't give them Disaster Aid from now on either. They want state's rights, they can deal with the Catastrophes on their own.

Yes. All decisions should be made so as to hurt the Others. If they're not with us, they're against us.

The hell is wrong with you?

138 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:42:33pm

re: #136 ProGunLiberal

You got any other ideas to fight against the Republican Party? All I want to do is show Republicans the consequences of their policies without inflicting it on the others in the nation.

Did it ever fucking cross your mind that people who don't vote Republican live in those states too? So you'd fail at that 'without inflicting it on others bit', genius.

Jesus christ.

And yeah, fight the GOP the standard way: get out the vote drives, fundraising, lawsuits, etc. etc.

You're just trying to punish people.

139 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:43:16pm

re: #134 ProGunLiberal

I hope the Democrats can take the State House in 2012, un-gerrymander the seats, and rollback as much of the changes as possible.

However, I think the Democrats now need to fight as dirty as the Republicans.

For example, if we can retake the Congress, we need a BRAC. This BRAC should be used shut down many of the bases and military construction yards in the South, and move them to the North and West Coasts. That will decimate the Red State Economy. They don't want Federal Interference, take away their Federal Dollars. Don't give them Disaster Aid from now on either. They want state's rights, they can deal with the Catastrophes on their own.

We had to destroy that country to save it.

140 leftynyc  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:43:45pm

re: #132 Coracle

I sincerely hope you are right.

Me too. My dad (who is more liberal than I am) thinks I'm pathologically optimistic - I tell him I'm exactly what he raised me to be (except I'm not a lawyer).

141 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:44:55pm

OT - have to leave, don't have time to page this, but it's an absolute must-read:

Crossing the Line as Civilization Implodes: Heartland Institute, Peter Gleick and Andrew Revkin

Does a fantastic job of exposing Andrew Revkin as a useless little concern troll brimming with hypocrisy and enabling the deniers. He won't even allow comments on his anti-Gleick article from people who disagree with its take!

142 chandsolo  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:46:41pm

re: #127 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

And now for a NSFW (language) online dating service advert that further illustrates the necessity of cheap, safe, and effective birth control.

[Video]

Taco!

143 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:46:45pm

re: #134 ProGunLiberal

I hope the Democrats can take the State House in 2012, un-gerrymander the seats, and rollback as much of the changes as possible.

However, I think the Democrats now need to fight as dirty as the Republicans.

For example, if we can retake the Congress, we need a BRAC. This BRAC should be used shut down many of the bases and military construction yards in the South, and move them to the North and West Coasts. That will decimate the Red State Economy. They don't want Federal Interference, take away their Federal Dollars. Don't give them Disaster Aid from now on either. They want state's rights, they can deal with the Catastrophes on their own.

Pro, I like ya, but I live in a red state. I live the largest city in this red state, which relies upon a master jet base for the bulk of its economy. If we go along with your plan, you will decimate this city.

This "us or them," polarization of the country is a foolhardy endeavor. You will throw people who otherwise might have agreed with you into the GOP's arms if only to save their homes, their livelihoods, and their futures. Sorry, but there's no way I can support such a plan.

144 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:56:20pm

re: #134 ProGunLiberal

I hope the Democrats can take the State House in 2012, un-gerrymander the seats, and rollback as much of the changes as possible.

However, I think the Democrats now need to fight as dirty as the Republicans.

For example, if we can retake the Congress, we need a BRAC. This BRAC should be used shut down many of the bases and military construction yards in the South, and move them to the North and West Coasts. That will decimate the Red State Economy. They don't want Federal Interference, take away their Federal Dollars. Don't give them Disaster Aid from now on either. They want state's rights, they can deal with the Catastrophes on their own.

Treating a state like a petulant 4-year-old is no way to run a country.

145 Coracle  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:59:54pm

re: #144 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Treating a state like a petulant 4-year-old is no way to run a country.

Not to mention that most red states have population demographics, that if they actually voted their interests in reproductive and civil rights (if they actually registered and voted), would turn the states sky blue.

146 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 1:59:58pm

Memo to GOP: Get the heck out of my bedroom and my house. And don't let the door hit you on the way out.

147 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:04:35pm

re: #145 Coracle

Not to mention that most red states have population demographics, that if they actually voted their interests in reproductive and civil rights (if they actually registered and voted), would turn the states sky blue.

There are no "solid" states of any one color. Most states are various shades of purple, getting bluer in the cities and redder in rural areas. California, for example, is a handful of bright blue islands in a sea of red.

The whole blue/red bit is the media's creation, not something to base punitive action on. Seriously, how many "red" states went "blue" in '08 to elect Obama?

148 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:07:42pm

Religious Right Hyperbole on Contraception Coverage Mandate goes into Overdrive

Barack Obama is literally forcing insurance companies and self-insured religious organizations to provide contraceptives and abortifacients to Americans who want to pay for neither.

As I told you on Friday, President Obama has once again grossly overstepped the constitutional authority of his office. Thankfully, it appears that Americans have finally had enough.

Former Attorney General Edwin Meese, a leading member of President Ronald Reagan’s Cabinet, recently said the Obama administration is “…as close to a monarchy as there’s been since the days of George III.”

In reality, our situation today may be even worse than during the founding era since King George III merely TAXED the goods that inspired the Boston Tea Party. Even so great a despot as he did not imagine he could FORCE the colonials to BUY the stuff!

149 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:08:25pm
150 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:10:59pm

re: #141 Interesting Times

OT - have to leave, don't have time to page this, but it's an absolute must-read:

Crossing the Line as Civilization Implodes: Heartland Institute, Peter Gleick and Andrew Revkin

Does a fantastic job of exposing Andrew Revkin as a useless little concern troll brimming with hypocrisy and enabling the deniers. He won't even allow comments on his anti-Gleick article from people who disagree with its take!

Thanks. It's unfortunate that this topic didn't even get much traffic either here or on Twitter. Save for a lot of climate denier trolling on the latter. The left seems to be fixated on the recent Republican contraception atrocities and Santorum while ignoring climate change -- much like the mass media as indicated in that TP blog.

I don't know what's motivating Revkin but in light of the alleged seriousness of AGW I am surprised by his puritopian response to Gleick's revelations. Not only in light of the grave threat posed by AGW and Climategate but the NY Times foray into similar behavior with the Pentagon Papers and more recently the CIA agent revelations.

Apparently what Gleick did is bad because the NY Times didn't do it. Yet at the same time he was also passive about the Climategate documents. Makes one wonder who he's really working for. For many people they'll go on their merry way seeing Assange and Manning as "heroes" yet oddly enough they are willing to throw Gleick under the bus.

151 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:11:05pm

“The ‘life’ in ‘pro-life’ denotes not the quality of life, but life itself.

The 30-plus religious-right advocates, in a joint statement Wednesday, said that “most environmental causes promoted as pro-life involve little threat to human life itself, and no intent to kill anyone.”

Rep. John Shimkus (R-Ill.) criticized the Rev. Mitch Hescox, EEN’s president, at Wednesday’s House Energy and Commerce Committee hearing on the EPA rule, which Republicans and some business groups call burdensome.

“The ‘life’ in ‘pro-life’ denotes not the quality of life, but life itself. The term denotes opposition to a procedure that intentionally results in dead babies,” said Shimkus, echoing the statement from the conservative leaders.

Well, at least they're honest about being terrible excuses for human beings.

152 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:11:07pm

re: #147 Targetpractice

There are no "solid" states of any one color. Most states are various shades of purple, getting bluer in the cities and redder in rural areas. California, for example, is a handful of bright blue islands in a sea of red.

The whole blue/red bit is the media's creation, not something to base punitive action on. Seriously, how many "red" states went "blue" in '08 to elect Obama?

It's been a while since I mentioned this, I think it's time again.

I was in the US Army in the 1980s and 1990s. During that whole time, the bad guys were the Red force and the good guys the Blue. The enemy, legacy of 'those dirty commies', were the Reds. Always and everywhere.

I was staggered when, in 2000, the Republicans claimed the Red of the map. For that matter my flabber is still gasted whenever "red" and "blue" sides are discussed. I can't help but feeling there's a little piece of confusion in the mind of everyone 40 and older over the idea of the Red claiming to be the good guys.

153 erik_t  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:11:32pm

re: #148 Kragar

Religious Right Hyperbole on Contraception Coverage Mandate goes into Overdrive

Cranio-rectal inversion is covered under the Affordable Care Act, Edwin.

154 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:13:06pm

re: #151 Kragar

“The ‘life’ in ‘pro-life’ denotes not the quality of life, but life itself.

Well, at least they're honest about being terrible excuses for human beings.

Yeah, I've noticed that being a running theme for years now. See also: Schiavo, Terry.

155 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:13:41pm

re: #149 Targetpractice

*facepalm*

Oh great. Who is going to file the environmental impact statement when an "inspired" group of nuts dresses as Indians and dumps a bunch of condoms into Boston Harbor?

156 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:14:22pm

re: #147 Targetpractice

3ish:

Indiana
Virginia
North Carolina

Now giving more thought to it, but proposed way of dealing with Republicans would only breed staggering amounts of resentment. Which in the long run would make the culture wars even more intense.

The shit over past 1-2 weeks has gotten me very wound up, and combined with a lack of Medicine, I go to very harsh measures. I just want the Republicans to shut up and and start being reasonable.

157 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:15:27pm

re: #155 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
I have no idea but it is not going to be me.

158 erik_t  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:15:40pm

re: #152 kirkspencer

It's been a while since I mentioned this, I think it's time again.

I was in the US Army in the 1980s and 1990s. During that whole time, the bad guys were the Red force and the good guys the Blue. The enemy, legacy of 'those dirty commies', were the Reds. Always and everywhere.

I was staggered when, in 2000, the Republicans claimed the Red of the map. For that matter my flabber is still gasted whenever "red" and "blue" sides are discussed. I can't help but feeling there's a little piece of confusion in the mind of everyone 40 and older over the idea of the Red claiming to be the good guys.

Wikipedia suggests it was just a convention that gradually emerged, without any apparent attempt at standardizing on anything in particular.

More relevantly: HOLY SHIT THAT HAPPENED IN MY QUASI-ADULT LIFETIME?!?

159 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:15:45pm

re: #148 Kragar

Religious Right Hyperbole on Contraception Coverage Mandate goes into Overdrive

Memo to the GOP: Please continue calling birth control evil and making it an electoral issue in 2012. I'm sure it will be a winner for you.

///

161 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:16:03pm

re: #156 ProGunLiberal

3ish:

Indiana
Virginia
North Carolina

Now giving more thought to it, but proposed way of dealing with Republicans would only breed staggering amounts of resentment. Which in the long run would make the culture wars even more intense.

The shit over past 1-2 weeks has gotten me very wound up, and combined with a lack of Medicine, I go to very harsh measures. I just want the Republicans to shut up and and start being reasonable.

They're trying to taunt you into making a mistake...
;)

162 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:17:08pm

re: #156 ProGunLiberal

3ish:

Indiana
Virginia
North Carolina

Now giving more thought to it, but proposed way of dealing with Republicans would only breed staggering amounts of resentment. Which in the long run would make the culture wars even more intense.

The shit over past 1-2 weeks has gotten me very wound up, and combined with a lack of Medicine, I go to very harsh measures. I just want the Republicans to shut up and and start being reasonable.

To see that happen takes losing at the polls, not punitive action. And they're doing all the heavy lifting to make sure their loss at the polls in November is not only excruciatingly painful, but as public as possible so there's no question as to why they lost.

Or, to quote the Little Corporal:

"Never interrupt the enemy when he is making a mistake."

163 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:17:12pm

For some reason, my computer is not producing any audio. It's not muted, and was working earlier.

164 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:18:20pm

re: #160 Kragar

Santorum: Democratic Party An Orgy Of Sex And Homosexuality Preying On Lust

Torquemada in a sweater vest. This guy is a fucking lunatic.

He's also the front-runner. Scary.

165 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:18:26pm

virginia is for levers

166 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:19:08pm

re: #160 Kragar
Was he ever invited? And does he have pictures? I just want to know if his allegations are true.

167 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:19:20pm
168 Kronocide  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:20:10pm

re: #136 ProGunLiberal

You got any other ideas to fight against the Republican Party? All I want to do is show Republicans the consequences of their policies without inflicting it on the others in the nation.

You're talking fascism dude.

169 recusancy  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:20:29pm

re: #163 ProGunLiberal

For some reason, my computer is not producing any audio. It's not muted, and was working earlier.

You better take a baseball bat to it to show it the consequences of its actions.

170 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:20:48pm

re: #160 Kragar

Santorum: Democratic Party An Orgy Of Sex And Homosexuality Preying On Lust

Does Ricky strike anybody else as the kid in class who carried around a lot of anger and resentment because he didn't get invited to all the popular parties?

171 erik_t  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:21:27pm

re: #170 Targetpractice

Does Ricky strike anybody else as the kid in class who carried around a lot of anger and resentment because he didn't get invited to all the popular parties?

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of this rockin' homosexual orgy.

172 garhighway  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:22:06pm

re: #159 Lidane

Memo to the GOP: Please continue calling birth control evil and making it an electoral issue in 2012. I'm sure it will be a winner for you.

///

They are going to have a gender gap like they've never seen before if they keep it up.

173 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:22:22pm

Civilization lies in the balance! But whatever you do, don't use "deception" to gain access to Heartland Institute documents.

Seriously?

174 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:22:23pm

re: #171 erik_t

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of this rockin' homosexual orgy.

175 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:23:06pm

re: #160 Kragar

Santorum: Democratic Party An Orgy Of Sex And Homosexuality Preying On Lust

If I thought about sex half as much as Inquisitor Santorum does, I wouldn't get any work done.

176 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:25:25pm

re: #173 Gus

Civilization lies in the balance! But whatever you do, don't use "deception" to gain access to Heartland Institute documents.

Seriously?

In some strange way that reminds me of this.

"Yeah, we're in deep shit now but hey, at least we didn't lie!"

177 compound_Idaho  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:25:48pm

Given my nic, I felt compelled to comment on the previous thread. News reports state that the bill was kept alive. True enough. It is also true that the maneuver used is a popular technique to make bills disappear without voting them down. There is no scheduled date for the bill to be revisited. My guess is that that chairman of the committee, in this case the chairwoman, will not find the time to bring it back up. We will see.

178 garhighway  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:25:49pm

re: #175 I Am Jack's Medulla Oblongata

If I thought about sex half as much as Inquisitor Santorum does, I wouldn't get any work done.

Stay frothy, my friends, stay frothy.

179 Ming  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:26:30pm

I'm not a health-care professional, but I assume that in medicine, there is no such thing as a "procedure that's ALWAYS harmless". Any time an instrument is inserted into a body cavity, there's the risk of infection (especially, I would think, in a hospital or clinic, where you'll often find antibiotic-resistant bacteria). Some patients may have tissue that's easily-damaged. Some patients may have unusual allergies. Any device can malfunction at some point.

There's always some risk of someone, whether a technician or a nurse or a doctor, making some mistake. Perhaps someone scheduled for one procedure (e.g. an ultrasound) might instead receive some other procedure (e.g. an injection).

I still think that in addition to shaming the female patients, there's an intention behind these laws to discourage health-care workers from specializing in reproductive health. The religious right would love to send the message that specializing in reproductive health is a political act.

180 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:27:41pm

re: #170 Targetpractice

Does Ricky strike anybody else as the kid in class who carried around a lot of anger and resentment because he didn't get invited to all the popular parties?

I have the impression he got wedgied by some hippies while in high school or college and has been stewing ever since.

181 Kronocide  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:27:45pm

re: #173 Gus

Civilization lies in the balance! But whatever you do, don't use "deception" to gain access to Heartland Institute documents.

Seriously?

It's not like he hacked any mail servers or anything....

182 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:28:56pm

re: #149 Targetpractice

*facepalm*

Exactly, and I'm tired of having to fucking pay the bill on their loan for their fucking crusade against Muslims in Iraq. Can I opt out of that? NO, so fucking suck it up and don't use the fucking contraceptives.

184 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:30:30pm

re: #181 Kronocide

It's not like he hacked any mail servers or anything...

The main thing it underscores is how secretive the Heartland Institute is. Most non-profits strive for transparency in their operation. It strives for obfuscation-- and it may be because it's in violation of the law.

They have tons of legislative contact, and they appear to tell donors that they can affect legislation-- which they're expressly forbidden from doing.

185 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:31:08pm

re: #136 ProGunLiberal

You got any other ideas to fight against the Republican Party? All I want to do is show Republicans the consequences of their policies without inflicting it on the others in the nation.

I think a good first step is to avoid making everything they say about Liberals true...

186 foobear2  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:31:30pm

Will the right stop at nothing? Now they're claiming that Virginia's Planned Parenthood's abortion protocol actually includes a pre-procedure ultrasound.

That can't be true, can it?

187 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:31:58pm
188 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:32:01pm

re: #183 Lidane

Heh:

Romney Endorser Corrects Mitt On Auto Rescue: ‘No One Could Have’ Saved The Industry Except The Government

I wish Mittens and the rest of the GOP would just come out and admit that their only problem with the bailout is that the UAW still exists, while a bunch of fat cats on Wall Street got screwed out of money. If a Republican president had used the opportunity to play union buster while ensuring that the boys on Wall Street got their pound of flesh, we'd have commercials on TV every hour telling us how the GOP "saved" Detroit.

189 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:33:24pm

re: #187 Lidane

Cue the 'splodey heads:

Huh? Romney Warns Spending Cuts Will Slow Recovery

Hello, nominee Santorum.

190 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:33:26pm

re: #186 foobear2

Will the right stop at nothing? Now they're claiming that Virginia's Planned Parenthood's abortion protocol actually includes a pre-procedure ultrasound.

That can't be true, can it?

There are various types of ultrasounds, whose results can be displayed in a variety of ways. My bet is they're trying to cloud the issue by comparing apples to pineapples.

191 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:36:32pm

re: #189 Targetpractice

Hello, nominee Santorum.

Wait, he's running for the Republican nomination, right? I just want to be sure I haven't misunderstood this whole process up until now...

192 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:36:51pm

re: #187 Lidane

Cue the 'splodey heads:

Huh? Romney Warns Spending Cuts Will Slow Recovery

Sounds like a severe conservative to me. :p

193 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:38:24pm

re: #186 foobear2

Will the right stop at nothing? Now they're claiming that Virginia's Planned Parenthood's abortion protocol actually includes a pre-procedure ultrasound.

That can't be true, can it?

If it's true, what does it have to with abortions conducted by providers other than PP?

194 recusancy  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:38:34pm

re: #187 Lidane

Cue the 'splodey heads:

Huh? Romney Warns Spending Cuts Will Slow Recovery

Sometimes Republicans make a mistake and tell the truth.

195 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:39:56pm

re: #191 I Am Jack's Medulla Oblongata

Wait, he's running for the Republican nomination, right? I just want to be sure I haven't misunderstood this whole process up until now...

It's easy to get to confused, because it seems that they're now running for Messiah.

196 Kronocide  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:40:18pm

re: #184 Obdicut

It's clear Heartland is a lobbying firm with an agenda. They may be legal by the letter of some law (I'm not sure), but morally they are corrupt.

I'm not entirely comfortable or dismissive of Glieck's deception, but seriously..... it's jaywalking, comparatively speaking.

197 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:40:40pm

They have coordinated states-wide attacks on unions, workers, poor peoples health care, education, abortion etc. Highly organized.

198 foobear2  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:41:22pm

re: #190 Kragar

Does the proposed bill specify the type of ultrasound required?

199 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:41:42pm

re: #195 Targetpractice

It's easy to get to confused, because it seems that they're now running for Messiah.

But but... Hannity keeps telling me that Obama is the anointed One! Oh my stars and garters I am so confused...

200 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:45:40pm

re: #198 foobear2

Does the proposed bill specify the type of ultrasound required?

It does so by making the legal requirements for what they want the ultrasound to show.

201 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:47:33pm

Focus on the Family CEO: Christian Leaders Must Play Offense

What nonsense is this? They've been offensive for years.

202 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:51:08pm

Bryan Fischer can't wait for a Obama vs Santorum election

One reason for values voters to hope for a Rick Santorum nomination win is that the choice between him and Barack Obama in November would be as stark as you can get. Santorum would be the pro-marriage, pro-baby, pro-values candidate running against the anti-family, anti-baby, anti-values incumbent.

America would have a clear choice between two alternatives. Election day would reveal something profoundly disturbing or hopeful about the character of America. We would learn on that day whether or not there is enough moral residue in the American people to arrest our headlong plunge into moral decay. It may be time to find that out.

203 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:52:20pm

re: #202 Kragar

Bryan Fischer can't wait for a Obama vs Santorum election

Hey Bryan, people can have morals without them being your morals.

204 foobear2  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:52:41pm

re: #200 Kragar

A D&E itself is, of course, at least as invasive as a transvaginal ultrasound, but I can understand the objection to mandating that particular type of ultrasound.

205 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:54:54pm

re: #200 Kragar

It does so by making the legal requirements for what they want the ultrasound to show.

Whether specified or not, it is the procedure defended by that idiot tweeter.

206 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:56:36pm

re: #204 foobear2

A D&E itself is, of course, at least as invasive as a transvaginal ultrasound, but I can understand the objection to mandating that particular type of ultrasound.

Your comparison is faulty. You're comparing procedure a woman could consent to if necessary to a state mandated procedure that is not medically necessary.

207 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:58:06pm

re: #204 foobear2

And a conoloscopy is even more invasive, but that doesn't mean it'd be okay for the state to mandate that the doctor also put a vaginal wand in a woman every time she got a colonoscopy, right?

208 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:58:06pm

re: #205 Decatur Deb

Whether specified or not, it is the procedure defended by that idiot tweeter.

Its like saying "You can pick anything you like, as long as it fits this criteria."

"That only leaves me with one choice though."

"So, you picked one out then!"

209 jaunte  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:58:50pm

re: #206 Kragar

This appears to be the spin that the professional pro-life people are putting on the controversy:
Planned Parenthood Already “Rapes” Women in Pre-Abortion Ultrasound

210 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 2:59:52pm

re: #209 jaunte

This appears to be the spin that the professional pro-life people are putting on the controversy:
Planned Parenthood Already “Rapes” Women in Pre-Abortion Ultrasound

Yeah, I picked up a trollish whiff earlier.

211 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:00:44pm

re: #209 jaunte

This appears to be the spin that the professional pro-life people are putting on the controversy:
Planned Parenthood Already “Rapes” Women in Pre-Abortion Ultrasound

Staneck is lying, it shouldn't surprise anyone to hear.

212 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:03:25pm

re: #210 Kragar

I thought there was something stinky in the air...

213 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:04:47pm

Notes from the wingnut fringe: This just arrived in my inbox via Google Alerts. The wingnuts are clearly feeling doomed—or at least this one is—and hoping for a judge to save America (lawsuits). Sheesh, if they read this sort of absurd drivel all day every day, it's no wonder they think they're being persecuted.

Note that except for the first sentence, he refers to POTUS as Hussein Obama. Muslim. Scary. BOO!

1 judge who can save America
By Larry Klayman

As it now stands, with Republican presidential candidates seen as weak and damaged, it is likely that Barack Hussein Obama will be re-elected in 2012. Not that Romney, Santorum and Gingrich would be the solution to the nation's ills — indeed, "We the People" must roll up our sleeves and wage a second American revolution as I have written many times — but the Republicans who could win — Jeb Bush, Chris Christie and Mike Huckabee — are not likely to step forward to bail out the Grand Old Party. They have regrettably put political calculations ahead of the country's interests and are waiting until 2016, when there will be no sitting incumbent president to run against, to likely make their move. But by that time the nation will be nearly destroyed. [...]

He then goes on to explain how POTUS has abandoned Israel and doesn't really feel American because his heart & soul are with his Muslim brothers in Africa. Naturally, FLOTUS is guilty as well because she's such a hater. O_o

Given the prospect that Obama will win another four years to destroy the nation by continuing to try to mold it in a manner his anti-colonial, socialist and Muslim Kenyan father would have been proud of, it is incumbent on all of us to use every legal means to remove this scourge from our body politic. This means pursuing every "legal means" to have courts declare that Hussein Obama is not eligible to be president of the United States.

With God's grace, perhaps the American people can find one judge who has he guts to do what needs to be done: order that Hussein Obama cannot be our president.

So, with this mission in mind, along with other patriots, I pledge my sacred honor to file as many lawsuits as are necessary, in as many states as seem prudent, to try to find this one judge who will help us save the nation and the world. [...]

Google cache link to full article

Seriously? They think they're going to find a judge to stop an incumbent President from pursuing a second term? These people aren't well.

214 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:07:28pm

I seem to have a special knack for posting exactly when Charles is putting up a new article. I wonder if he does that on purpose... *glares suspiciously @ CJ* //

215 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:08:10pm

re: #214 CuriousLurker

I seem to have a special knack for posting exactly when Charles is putting up a new article. I wonder if he does that on purpose... *glares suspiciously @ CJ* //

I blame Obama.
/

216 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:09:33pm

re: #213 CuriousLurker

Wingnuts are really sore friggen' losers.

217 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:11:26pm

re: #216 I Am Jack's Medulla Oblongata

Wingnuts are really sore friggen' losers.

After the re-election, almost all of them will wander off to become someone's obnoxious uncle. A very small number will fondle their ammo and start googling "PETN".

218 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:21:05pm

re: #213 CuriousLurker

Seriously? They think they're going to find a judge to stop an incumbent President from pursuing a second term?

They've spent the last 3+ years trying to find a judge to stop that President from even having a first term. I'm not surprised they're still going with this.

Also, LOL Larry Klayman. I remember him being obsessed with the Clenis back in the day.

219 foobear2  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:25:11pm

re: #206 Kragar

I wasn't trying to compare, per se; I was clumsily agreeing that the invasive ultrasound was not appropriate.

220 foobear2  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:28:05pm

Ooh, the red beans and rice are ready - time for Mardi Gras!

Good evening, all!


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