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Virginia House Delays Vote on GOP Uterus Inspection Bill (Again)

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For the second day in a row, the Virginia House of Delegates has put off voting on the Republican Party’s uterus inspection bill: Va. Vote on Abortion Ultrasound Bill Pushed Back a Day.

A House of Delegates vote on a bill that would require women to undergo an ultrasound test before having an abortion was delayed until tomorrow after a short, contentious debate this afternoon.

The move came as a public outcry to bills restricting abortion has prompted some lawmakers to hint they may soften the ultrasound bills.

Two legislators — one a conservative Republican — speaking today on the condition of anonymity said one idea officials have discussed is making the ultrasound legislation optional rather than mandatory.

Other options are to pass the bills by or park them in committee. Either of those moves could effectively shelve the legislation for the year.

The House also delayed the vote for another measure that hasn’t gotten the same attention as the slut-shaming legislation, but is at least as offensive and backward: a Republican bill that would allow adoption agencies to discriminate against gay parents.

Maddowblog has an update on the situation from Democratic delegate David Englin:

Quick update on Va. GOP’s vaginal penetration ultrasound mandate: The Senate version of the bill (Senate Bill 484) was scheduled for debate and final vote today, but House Republicans again made a motion to push off the debate and vote by another day. The same happened for Senate Bill 349, the so-called “conscience clause” bill that allows state-funded adoption and foster care agencies to discriminate against GLBT families and youth.

House Democrats then attempted a parliamentary maneuver that would have killed the ultrasound bill forever, but that failed on a party-line vote. Therefore, both bills are now scheduled for debate and vote tomorrow.

Virginia Republicans are suddenly running scared of their own social agenda!

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176 comments

1 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:03:26pm

Based upon views of PilotOnline and other boards, my guess is that delegates are getting an earful from female constituents on this. They likely expected that the bill would go with little comment until it was already on McDonnell's desk, letting them pass the buck to him.

2 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:06:48pm

Saw earlier the reason it has been a silent protest is because VA has made it illegal to hold signs or hold rallies at the capital.

Way to go, you defenders of liberties!

3 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:08:17pm

re: #2 Kragar

Saw earlier the reason it has been a silent protest is because VA has made it illegal to hold signs or hold rallies at the capital.

Way to go, you defenders of liberties!

No doubt in the interests of "security."

4 jaunte  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:11:20pm
Two legislators — one a conservative Republican — speaking today on the condition of anonymity said one idea officials have discussed is making the ultrasound legislation optional rather than mandatory.

Who's afraid of making a medical procedure optional?

5 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:12:37pm

re: #4 jaunte

Who's afraid of making a medical procedure optional?

Optional legislation aka monumental waste of time

6 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:13:00pm

re: #4 jaunte

Who's afraid of making a medical procedure optional?

Any one that's afraid of being seen as having "sold out." Seriously, wanna see the wingnuts blow a gasket? Make the ultrasound optional and still pass the bill. They will lose their fucking minds.

7 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:13:46pm

re: #5 Kragar

Optional legislation aka monumental waste of time

Yeah, it already is optional, you fucking jackasses. Doctors aren't prevented from doing it if they see a medical need for it.

8 jaunte  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:14:54pm
The House also delayed the vote for another measure that hasn’t gotten the same attention as the slut-shaming legislation, but is at least as offensive and backward: a Republican bill that would allow adoption agencies to discriminate against gay parents.

I want to make the point again, that this kind of legislation designed to assuage the feelings of religious bigots is damaging not just to gay couples, but to the children who are wards of the State of Virginia waiting to be adopted and have parents. Laws like this consign a great many of them to a childhood spent in foster care.
(Because the people in favor of laws like this don't want to adopt those waiting children, they just don't want gays to be allowed to do it).

9 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:16:47pm

re: #7 Obdicut

Yeah, it already is optional, you fucking jackasses. Doctors aren't prevented from doing it if they see a medical need for it.

Yeah, they're going to make something that's already optional optional. It is to laugh.

But the Republicans will never go for that. Making it mandatory is the whole point of slut-shaming.

10 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:19:09pm

re: #7 Obdicut

Yeah, it already is optional, you fucking jackasses. Doctors aren't prevented from doing it if they see a medical need for it.

Why bother wasting time, money, and effort for "This is the law, except if you don't want to follow it, because its optional."

They're terrible people for trying to make this a law and complete idiots for suggesting to make it optional instead of just dropping it.

11 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:19:20pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Yeah, they're going to make something that's already optional optional. It is to laugh.

But the Republicans will never go for that. Making it mandatory is the whole point of slut-shaming.

Exactly. If they make it optional, then the bill will be DOA. No Democrat will vote for it and only a few braindead Republicans looking to pad their "pro-life" credentials will, while the hardcore Bible-thumpers of the party will disown it immediately.

No, they'll keep it mandatory and try to move Heaven and Earth to make it seem a "good idea" to female voters. If they fail at that, they'll find a way to let it quietly die, hoping that voters forget about it by November.

12 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:21:13pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Yeah, they're going to make something that's already optional optional. It is to laugh.

But the Republicans will never go for that. Making it mandatory is the whole point of slut-shaming.

BURN THE WITCHES!

13 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:21:34pm

Call the CDC--I'm expecting an outbreak of flu in the statehouse.

14 brennant  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:22:01pm

re: #12 thedopefishlives

BURN THE WITCHES!

She turned me into a newt!

15 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:22:27pm

re: #14 brennant

She turned me into a newt!

*looks skeptical* A newt?

16 brennant  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:22:44pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

*looks skeptical* A newt?

I got better.

17 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:23:10pm

re: #14 brennant

She turned me into a newt!

I did somewhat mean my comment in that sort of jest, but if you think about it for a second, that's actually the direction the discourse in this country is taking. Terrifyingly enough, we could be seeing a full-scale American Inquisition if some of these nutjobs get their way.

18 jaunte  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:28:25pm

I don't see how delay will be a productive tactic for the bill's sponsors.

19 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:31:36pm

re: #18 jaunte

I don't see how delay will be a productive tactic for the bill's sponsors.

Delay's an effort to wear down the opposition, hoping that they'll move on.

20 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:35:17pm

re: #13 Decatur Deb

Call the CDC--I'm expecting an outbreak of flu in the statehouse.

When you have to delay a vote like that it really means they need to vote it down but lack the single scintilla of courage that would require.

21 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:35:20pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

Delay's an effort to wear down the opposition, hoping that they'll move on.

If we stall long enough, maybe those dumb women will forget our assault of their rights and get back to the kitchen where they belong.

///

22 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:38:14pm

The House of Delegates in Virginia are afraid of their constituents. I say "be afraid very afraid" with a very evil looking grin.

23 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:39:18pm

re: #21 Lidane
Yeah in the kitchen in front of my computer on the internet. /

24 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:39:44pm

re: #21 Lidane

The wingnuts are basically saying what is in the Wingnut text in all but the actual words. They are just camouflaging it now. Camouflaging it badly.

Bit cooler now. I had to go grocery shopping.

25 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:41:10pm

re: #2 Kragar

Saw earlier the reason it has been a silent protest is because VA has made it illegal to hold signs or hold rallies at the capital.

Way to go, you defenders of liberties!

It's to prevent terrorist acts! Probably something stupid like that. Or at least worded as such. Then you get the goons that will say something like "signs aren't protected by the Constitution!" No doubt you can probably being your gun(s) instead.

26 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:41:57pm

The Heartland Institute is gleefully celebrating Peter Gleick's admission that he's the whistle-blower who leaked their documents (now confirmed to be genuine, except for one which has not yet been confirmed or refuted).

They've actually launched a horribly designed website already.

[Link: fakegate.org...]

27 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:42:11pm

re: #2 Kragar

Is it me, or is that dangerously un-democratic?

Also, this just popped up on my feed:

Edit: Why is it still not working?

28 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:43:14pm

re: #27 ProGunLiberal

Is it me, or is that dangerously un-democratic?

Also, this just popped up on my feed:

It's worth noting that in the last few months Republicans have attacked The Muppets, the Girl Scouts and breast cancer screenings.
— Josiah Bartlet (@Pres_Bartlet) February 21, 2012

"When they came for the Fraggles..."

29 jaunte  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:43:59pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

This time they're eager to "find the criminals."

30 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:44:07pm

re: #27 ProGunLiberal

I copied the Code Twitter gave me, and it still doesn't enbed the Tweet. :(

31 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:45:14pm

re: #29 jaunte

This time they're eager to "find the criminals."

They should call O.J. Simpson. He's got experience looking for the "real culprit".

32 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:45:48pm

re: #30 ProGunLiberal

I copied the Code Twitter gave me, and it still doesn't enbed the Tweet. :(

Reload the page - it can't do it dynamically just yet.

33 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:46:22pm

I suspect that the representatives of Virginia know that if this bill become law they are going to share the fate of Orpheus and Pentheus.

34 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:47:05pm

More and more thinking that the direction that APO is going at my university is a very, very bad one. Tweet from one of the most prominent members.

took the disney prince quiz and I got prince naveen from princess and the frog. ew, why am I a kalu magnet?

35 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:49:13pm

re: #31 Lidane

They should call O.J. Simpson. He's got experience looking for the "real culprit".

Yeah, on every golf course in America.

36 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:49:45pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

The Heartland Institute is gleefully celebrating Peter Gleick's admission that he's the whistle-blower who leaked their documents (now confirmed to be genuine, except for one which has not yet been confirmed or refuted).

They've actually launched a horribly designed website already.

[Link: fakegate.org...]

LOL. Oh yes lets find the criminals that exposed the ugly truth. This is legit whistle blowing. Far from the approach of say Wikileaks. And far less threatening than what Anon does. Whistleblowers often pay a high price. It's a shame he had to resign, if that's even true.

You and Huffpo etc. have nothing to apologize for. Nothing at all.

37 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:54:30pm

re: #34 ProGunLiberal

For those who are unfamaliar with the term "kalu," it is basically the South Asian way of calling someone the N-Word.

The person in question is South Asian, so they know exactly what they are saying. The University of Oklahoma Chapter of Alpha Phi Omega is becoming racist.

38 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:54:52pm

OT but man I'm pissed. Pardon my French but check out this fucking asshole's Tweets to Jessica Ahlquist.

[Link: twitter.com...]

39 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:55:41pm

re: #38 Gus

Time to call the police. Some of those looked threatening.

Also, fuck that guy.

40 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:57:35pm

re: #38 Gus

OT but man I'm pissed. Pardon my French but check out this fucking asshole's Tweets to Jessica Ahlquist.

[Link: twitter.com...]

Wow. Somebody's got serious issues.

I feel bad for that kid.

41 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:59:56pm

The pure desperation coming off of Romney in this video is a little on the repulsive side.

42 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:00:55pm

OT:

Romney now show as being statistically tied with Santorum in Arizona, 36%-32%, with a debate tomorrow night. If Romney doesn't come out of that looking like the second-coming of Ronald Reagan, then next Tuesday's gonna be mighty interestin'.

43 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:01:42pm

re: #38 Gus

Because nothing conveys the love of Jesus like wishing for someone to be gang raped and have their throat cut along with who knows how many other threats.

For people who have such strong faith,alot of them are sure scared shitless when not surrounded every waking moment by something to remind them of their religion.

44 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:02:52pm

re: #37 ProGunLiberal

Am I correct in thinking that I should abandon this group?

Last year, it was much more welcoming, and the officers didn't allow this sort of trouble, or for people to be neglected (like me, and 2 others who are also in my boat). And now, they seem to be allowing racism to run free.

45 bubba zanetti  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:03:59pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

fakefakegate.com and .org are still available...

46 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:04:18pm

Did a screen capture. Twitter of course is worthless when it comes to reporting even these sorts of things.

47 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:04:31pm

re: #45 bubba zanetti

Who has a credit card? We should buy those up.

48 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:06:41pm

re: #46 Gus

Did a screen capture. Twitter of course is worthless when it comes to reporting even these sorts of things.

[Video]

It's weird that you can only report a twitter account for spam, not hate speech or threats.

49 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:08:23pm

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

It's weird that you can only report a twitter account for spam, not hate speech or threats.

Money. They don't give a crap really. They'll probably wind up facing some kind of civil suit in the future however. Perhaps the same things that Facebook encountered.

50 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:10:40pm

re: #44 ProGunLiberal

Also, should I take action in any other way?

51 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:11:02pm

re: #49 Gus
The person who is receiving these "messages" is under 18? I do not know if this group can help but it may be worth a try. [Link: www.co.bedford.va.us...]

52 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:13:42pm

re: #50 ProGunLiberal

If you're uncomfortable then stop being with these people. End your association and leave it at that. Maybe the others who feel they don't fit would be interested in forming social connections with you if you have any common interests. Don't overcomplicate it. (all this is my opinion of course,take it for what it's worth)

53 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:14:45pm

re: #49 Gus

Money. They don't give a crap really. They'll probably wind up facing some kind of civil suit in the future however. Perhaps the same things that Facebook encountered.

In a way it's a throwback, reflecting a 90's view of the internet, where commercial activity was heavily frowned upon by many and cyberspace was seen as a new wild west. It's really odd though, hypothetically if one were to offer to sell guns on Twitter, face to face with no paperwork or FFL transfer, their account would get banned for spam, not violating federal law.

54 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:16:11pm

re: #52 A Mom Anon

I already told one other person who was disenchanted with what was going on.

However, I wonder if they are breaking some campus rules.

55 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:16:29pm

re: #50 ProGunLiberal

Also, should I take action in any other way?

No.

Graduate and get the hell on with your life. You've got to stop getting worked up by shit that's going to be irrelevant in a couple of months.

56 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:18:55pm

re: #50 ProGunLiberal
Walk away from them. If they are breaking campus rules mention it to someone who handles all of the frats and sororities on campus.

57 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:19:06pm

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

They will eventually get in trouble then, and be forced to reform. I still have one or two others who had their own issues.

58 erik_t  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:20:17pm

Talk to other people who have more knowledge and understanding of the issue than a bunch of people on the internet who have seen a single tweet. Might I recommend your classmates and colleagues?

59 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:20:49pm

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

No.

Graduate and get the hell on with your life. You've got to stop getting worked up by shit that's going to be irrelevant in a couple of months.

This. Walk away and just get on with life.

60 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:22:01pm

re: #58 erik_t

I have talked to it to others. In several cases, they don't see a problem.

The former President of MSA from last year didn't like it. I don't think APO and MSA will be cooperating for a while, as there are a number of African-Americans in it.

61 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:24:32pm

re: #60 ProGunLiberal

And by others, I mean others in APO. This occurred on a smaller scale last semester.

I also talked to a person in MSA about it.

62 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:27:19pm

re: #55 goddamnedfrank
To Pro Life Liberal:
I agree with frank,you're about to graduate college. You have Asperger's,do you realize how fortunate you are to be that far along and to have this opportunity? You should be excited about your future and where you're going with that education. Count your blessings dude,seriously.

I would give anything for a college education for me or my kid. My son has AS too,but his grades and an inability to do well on tests means college is out of the question. As it is he will barely make it through high school. We have no money for schooling here,we're hanging on financially,just barely. I always wanted to go to art school or to get a degree in some botany related field. I gave up that dream to be a full time mom. I don't regret it,but I sure wish I could have gone to school too. It just wasn't possible.

There will ALWAYS be people around you who are asshats,break the rules and are just jerks,forget about them. People like that end up hanging themselves eventually,they don't need you to be the police,they will get theirs eventually. Focus on YOUR future,you won't be sorry.

63 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:27:32pm

As important as it is to stop these kinds of bills from passing, it's equally important to never forget that the GOP tried to pass these bills. Americans and their ability to forget how the GOP behaves when they are in power has got to stop. Moderates and so-called independents are as responsible for this crap as the crazy right wingers are. They went for the okie-doke about the GOP being focused on fiscal responsibility and leaving the social stuff alone. They lied. Fool me once..............................

64 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:30:32pm

re: #57 ProGunLiberal

They will eventually get in trouble then, and be forced to reform. I still have one or two others who had their own issues.

Here's the thing, workplace politics is going to be a total bitch for you unless you learn to adapt to the situations you find yourself in and stop getting all bunged up about crap you have no control over.

"Father, give us courage to change what must be altered, serenity to accept what cannot be helped, and the insight to know the one from the other."

-Reinhold Niebuhr

65 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:33:24pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

Here's the thing, workplace politics is going to be a total bitch for you unless you learn to adapt to the situations you find yourself in and stop getting all bunged up about crap you have no control over.

That's a good point.

Do you have any ideas what you want to do? Have you thought about the things you might be able to do as a small business owner and/or sole proprietor? It's not easy dealing with co-workers or customers but perhaps if you only have one of them to deal with?

66 Altermite  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:37:11pm

Optional likely means an opt-out procedure, rather than the current opt-in implementation. This would have the effect of forcing doctors to ask about it every time, changing it from state mandated penetration to state mandated harassment.

67 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:37:56pm

re: #66 Altermite

"Want me to stick this in there and be creepy? No? Great."

68 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:38:51pm

Georgia is trying to secede again. Except this time they want the feds to keep sending them money.

[Link: www.ajc.com...]

69 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:40:12pm

re: #38 Gus

OT but man I'm pissed. Pardon my French but check out this fucking asshole's Tweets to Jessica Ahlquist.

[Link: twitter.com...]

Just in case people don't know. This is Jessica:

Jessica Ahlquist, Atheist Student In Prayer Banner Fight, Gets $40,000 Scholarship Fund

70 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:40:50pm

re: #69 Gus

Heh, yeah, I'd already sent her a "Don't sweat the jerks" tweet before I realized why they were after her.

71 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:41:40pm

re: #68 Obdicut

Georgia is trying to secede again. Except this time they want the feds to keep sending them money.

[Link: www.ajc.com...]

"Yankee go home, but leave your money!"

//

72 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:42:26pm

re: #65 William Barnett-Lewis

Oh, I know exactly what I want to do.

I want to work with GIS, or in others words, make and work with maps. I get a great sense of enjoyment out of doing that (Not that kind).

73 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:43:04pm

re: #68 Obdicut

Georgia is trying to secede again. Except this time they want the feds to keep sending them money.

[Link: www.ajc.com...]

Uncle Billy Sherman had a better plan:

74 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:43:07pm

re: #70 Obdicut

Heh, yeah, I'd already sent her a "Don't sweat the jerks" tweet before I realized why they were after her.

Yeah. She's a good candidate to starting taking handgun lessons and getting a CCW permit. It's unfortunate but that's the reality IMO especially in this crazed environment.

75 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:45:25pm

re: #74 Gus
Even so she should not have to put up with any of that crap.

76 erik_t  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:46:52pm

re: #74 Gus

Yeah. She's a good candidate to starting taking handgun lessons and getting a CCW permit. It's unfortunate but that's the reality IMO especially in this crazed environment.

Don't be silly. All atheists are liberals, and all liberals hate guns.

77 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:46:53pm

Georgia is trying to

imma put georgia on probation until it sobers up

78 Altermite  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:47:53pm

re: #72 ProGunLiberal

Oh, I know exactly what I want to do.

I want to work with GIS, or in others words, make and work with maps. I get a great sense of enjoyment out of doing that (Not that kind).

As someone who has done GIS, you're probably going to have to deal with people. GIS work typically means working with other agencies or labs or corporations on a continuous basis, even as an independent contractor.

79 Petero1818  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:49:47pm

I wonder if those same Conservative Republicans that kicked and screamed about Obama's so called "death panels" that never existed are at all concerned about their Republican colleagues having become the embodiment of the panel itself. I seem to recall something about Palin and friends crying that the government had no business making medical decisions.

80 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:50:20pm

re: #76 erik_t

Don't be silly. All atheists are liberals, and all liberals hate guns.

Yeah. Ain't that the truth. Let me tell you when I saw those Tweets I wasn't thinking about singing Kumbaya other than in the Bruce Willis sort. Growl.

81 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:50:38pm

BIAB

82 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:51:03pm

re: #74 Gus

Yeah. She's a good candidate to starting taking handgun lessons and getting a CCW permit. It's unfortunate but that's the reality IMO especially in this crazed environment.

Unfortunately minors have very limited legal recourse in self defense. Federal law prohibits those under 21 from buying handguns and 18 from buying long guns. While they can be given by parents, laws are extremely strict. She could possibly legally own pepper spray depending on RI's laws.

Frankly, If I were her parents I'd just hire an armed bodyguard for her until she is legally old enough to CCW. There are just too many RWNJ's out there.

Yet another (alas) good reason for a liberal to be armed in modern America.

83 Altermite  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:52:17pm

Also, most greek letter organizations have internal mechanisms for dealing with that sort of thing, almost always with a non-retaliatory clause. You should try contacting your regional whatever if you want it to change. Simply say that some of the members/officers have been using racial slurs, it isn't being dealt with, and you feel uncomfortable.

84 Petero1818  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:53:32pm

"The America I know and love is not one in which ............... will have to stand in front of ................."panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.
Health care by definition involves life and death decisions. Human rights and human dignity must be at the center of any health care discussion."

Sarah Palin, August 7, 2009

Perhaps it was just the gotcha media putting words into her mouth.

85 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 4:57:54pm

re: #68 Obdicut

Georgia is trying to secede again. Except this time they want the feds to keep sending them money.

[Link: www.ajc.com...]

Dear Georgia,

Since you're so big on "heritage" and history, please try to remember what happened the last time you exempted yourself from federal law.

Thanks in advance,
Me

86 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:00:04pm

re: #79 Petero1818

I wonder if those same Conservative Republicans that kicked and screamed about Obama's so called "death panels" that never existed are at all concerned about their Republican colleagues having become the embodiment of the panel itself. I seem to recall something about Palin and friends crying that the government had no business making medical decisions.

They're not concerned in the least. In their minds, this isn't them making decisions or imposing their will, it's them "fixing" what they view as "wrong" with America. They support "big government," they just disagree with us "liberals" on how the monster should act. They think it should be guided by their twisted views on what is "moral" and what isn't, rather than equality or freedom under the law.

Or, in short, all their talk about how liberals support big government because they think they know better than other people is projection that would rival an IMAX theater.

87 Petero1818  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:05:22pm

re: #86 Targetpractice

They're not concerned in the least. In their minds, this isn't them making decisions or imposing their will, it's them "fixing" what they view as "wrong" with America. They support "big government," they just disagree with us "liberals" on how the monster should act. They think it should be guided by their twisted views on what is "moral" and what isn't, rather than equality or freedom under the law.

Or, in short, all their talk about how liberals support big government because they think they know better than other people is projection that would rival an IMAX theater.

I agree totally. Which I think is why they will have a hard time in a general election trying to paint themselves as small government conservatives. I think Obama will be able to expose them completely as ideological bullies no less prone to government intervention, simply government intervention to impose a state religion.

88 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:08:31pm

re: #82 William Barnett-Lewis

Unfortunately minors have very limited legal recourse in self defense. Federal law prohibits those under 21 from buying handguns and 18 from buying long guns. While they can be given by parents, laws are extremely strict. She could possibly legally own pepper spray depending on RI's laws.

Frankly, If I were her parents I'd have hire an armed bodyguard for her until she is legally old enough to CCW. There are just too many RWNJ's out there.

Yet another (alas) good reason for a liberal to be armed in modern America.

RI doesn't have restrictions on percussion cap black powder handguns. She could buy a reproduction revolver.

I want a LeMat.

89 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:11:02pm

re: #87 Petero1818

I agree totally. Which I think is why they will have a hard time in a general election trying to paint themselves as small government conservatives. I think Obama will be able to expose them completely as ideological bullies no less prone to government intervention, simply government intervention to impose a state religion.

Thing is, in recent years, they've started to work towards arguing that secularism is, itself, a religion. These dipshits are trying to convince anyone who will listen that the government saying that no religion will be given special privileges is itself an attempt to impose a "religion" upon the American people. That saying that America is a secular nation, rather than a Christian/Catholic/Protestant one is "respecting an establishment of religion."

90 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:12:22pm

re: #84 Petero1818

"The America I know and love is not one in which ... will have to stand in front of ..."panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.
Health care by definition involves life and death decisions. Human rights and human dignity must be at the center of any health care discussion."

Sarah Palin, August 7, 2009

Perhaps it was just the gotcha media putting words into her mouth.

palin and other republicans don't speak these days so much as extract foot

91 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:14:12pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

RI doesn't have restrictions on percussion cap black powder handguns. She could buy a reproduction revolver.

I want a LeMat.

Good point. But a short barrel repro of the 1849 Pocket Revolver in .31 might be a wee bit easier to carry. The LeMat is big!

Image: 1849_pocket.jpg

92 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:14:22pm

All I heard today on the drive home is Santorum and Romney painting President Obama as anti-religion.

This is their theme, and they are sticking to it. I'm sure their surveys showed the Muslim Matter still resonates with the idjits.

Really, 2012 GOP? You assholes.

Article Six of the United States Constitution establishes the Constitution and the laws and treaties of the United States made in accordance with it as the supreme law of the land, forbids a religious test as a requirement for holding a governmental position

Assholes and propaganda preying on the weak American voter! Cause, that's all they've got.

93 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:15:02pm

Fuck yes! Brietbart has to face Sherrod. She gets pre-trial discovery.

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

Nail him to the damn wall.

94 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:17:58pm

santorum

i'm gonna wait till he gets to the ablative plural before making my decision

95 jaunte  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:18:31pm

Marjorie Moon @MarjorieMoon

Jeff Beck & Mick Jagger playing whitehouse.gov/live NOW

96 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:18:38pm

re: #94 engineer cat

santorum

i'm gonna wait till he gets to the ablative plural before making my decision

"It says Romans go home."

97 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:18:43pm

re: #93 Obdicut

Fuck yes! Brietbart has to face Sherrod. She gets pre-trial discovery.

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

Nail him to the damn wall.

She gets discovery? That should be both hilarious and fun.

98 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:19:46pm

re: #92 2012. Birth Control is NOT a political issue.

All I heard today on the drive home is Santorum and Romney painting President Obama as anti-religion.

This is their theme, and they are sticking to it. I'm sure their surveys showed the Muslim Matter still resonates with the idjits.

Really, 2012 GOP? You assholes.

Assholes and propaganda preying on the weak American voter! Cause, that's all they've got.

You'd think that Romney would be trying to steer clear of the religious litmus test, lest it force the rubes to stop and reconsider their views on whether or not the church he belongs to is a "cult."

99 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:19:52pm

re: #91 William Barnett-Lewis

Speaking of which....

For suspect, gun is a pain in the ...

HOW?!?!? How did he do it?!?!?

I saw this story a few weeks ago on a radio show I watch on Mondays.

I curled into a ball and whimpered when that story came up. Also, I don't think that is rust of the gun.

100 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:21:28pm

re: #99 ProGunLiberal

Speaking of which...

For suspect, gun is a pain in the ...

HOW?!?!? How did he do it?!?!?

I saw this story a few weeks ago on a radio show I watch on Mondays.

I curled into a ball and whimpered when that story came up. Also, I don't think that is rust of the gun.

One can hope he kept the action well lubricated.

101 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:21:58pm

re: #97 Lidane

She gets discovery? That should be both hilarious and fun.

In the end, it's ironically easier for her to collect damages, because she did, in fact, get fired, even if she got rehired.

102 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:22:13pm

re: #99 ProGunLiberal
That is not my idea of concealed carry.

103 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:22:14pm

re: #98 Targetpractice

You'd think that Romney would be trying to steer clear of the religious litmus test, lest it force the rubes to stop and reconsider their views on whether or not the church he belongs to is a "cult."

Santorum too. There are an awful lot of RWNJ evangelicals who think that the Catholic Church is a satanic, polytheistic cult.

104 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:23:07pm

re: #89 Targetpractice

Thing is, in recent years, they've started to work towards arguing that secularism is, itself, a religion.

105 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:23:32pm

re: #98 Targetpractice

You'd think that Romney would be trying to steer clear of the religious litmus test, lest it force the rubes to stop and reconsider their views on whether or not the church he belongs to is a "cult."

His quote was (paraphrase) I understand completely religious persecution, and President Obama is doing this to us!

Fucking pitiful. Heard he has to put some of his own money in soon.

106 jaunte  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:23:52pm

re: #104 Interesting Times

It's the tyranny of "off-ism."

107 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:24:21pm

re: #102 PhillyPretzel

Exactly.

It's large gun too.

HOW DID IT FIT THERE?!?! Seriously, the logisitics of it are mind-boggling! Also, they are scary.

108 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:24:31pm

re: #99 ProGunLiberal

Speaking of which...

For suspect, gun is a pain in the ...

HOW?!?!? How did he do it?!?!?

I saw this story a few weeks ago on a radio show I watch on Mondays.

I curled into a ball and whimpered when that story came up. Also, I don't think that is rust of the gun.

Permission to burn that image from my mind with a hot brand?

//

109 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:24:56pm

re: #99 ProGunLiberal

Speaking of which...

For suspect, gun is a pain in the ...

HOW?!?!? How did he do it?!?!?

I saw this story a few weeks ago on a radio show I watch on Mondays.

I curled into a ball and whimpered when that story came up. Also, I don't think that is rust of the gun.

The suspect didn't, I'd wager. I think it was a story invented to cover an incompetent search.

110 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:25:39pm

re: #105 2012. Birth Control is NOT a political issue.

His quote was (paraphrase) I understand completely religious persecution, and President Obama is doing this to us!

Fucking pitiful. Heard he has to put some of his own money in soon.

You mean Willard will have to start paying his way soon? Oh say it aint' so!

//

111 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:25:52pm

re: #109 William Barnett-Lewis

A cop friend of mine retrieved a gun from some really overweight dude's asscrack once. That might be it. just exaggeration. I hope.

112 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:26:46pm

re: #111 Obdicut

A cop friend of mine retrieved a gun from some really overweight dude's asscrack once. That might be it. just exaggeration. I hope.

Yeah, a little duct tape back there might work.

113 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:27:27pm

re: #108 Targetpractice

Permission granted. I have a good enough memory I can't do that.

114 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:29:53pm

re: #108 Targetpractice

Research shows the gun to be a Smith & Wesson Model 10

115 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:30:39pm

re: #108 Targetpractice

Permission to burn that image from my mind with a hot brand?

Here, have the Disney version instead :P

116 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:31:43pm

re: #115 Interesting Times

That might actually be smaller than S&W Model 10.

Does anyone here have that gun, out of curiosity? Is it a good gun?

117 jaunte  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:32:43pm

blues guitarist Gary Clark Jr, now performing [Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

[Link: www.garyclarkjr.com...]

118 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:33:39pm

Charlie Pierce over at Esquire is hilarious. This is a fun read:

What Are The Gobshites Saying These Days?

Kicking us off today is an old favorite, Princess Dumbass Of The Northwoods, who favored us with a President's Day message on YouTube that has been interpreted as her ever-coy announcement that she's willing to accept a draft at a brokered convention in Tampa, provided it comes with a car and a driver, and a clothing allowance, and 229 days paid vacation, and that she'll be glad to accept just as soon as they pry the Republican National Committee (and Todd) out of the Mons Venus in time to start the convention....

Heh.

120 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:34:54pm

re: #117 jaunte

blues guitarist Gary Clark Jr, now performing [Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

[Link: www.garyclarkjr.com...]

I was just watching Mick and Jeff Beck. Plus looking at #ProblematicVaginas currently trending. Plus reading a story about some guy with a gun up his bum #HappinessIsAWarmGun bang bang shoot shoot

I ♥ social media.

121 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:36:31pm

re: #120 marjoriemoon

Happiness Is A Warm Gun lol

122 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:37:31pm

re: #120 marjoriemoon

The meaning of that phrase has been permanently altered for me.

123 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:39:02pm

re: #93 Obdicut

Fuck yes! Brietbart has to face Sherrod. She gets pre-trial discovery.

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

Nail him to the damn wall.

What's Pre-Trial discovery exactly?

124 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:39:57pm

re: #120 marjoriemoon

I was just watching Mick and Jeff Beck. Plus looking at #ProblematicVaginas currently trending. Plus reading a story about some guy with a gun up his bum #HappinessIsAWarmGun bang bang shoot shoot

Should humanity stave off extinction for the next 1000 years, and this comment is somehow uncovered by digital archeologists around that time, the efforts at scholarly analysis and interpretation would be epic.

125 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:40:11pm

re: #114 ProGunLiberal

Research shows the gun to be a Smith & Wesson Model 10

I own one. :blink:

Not possible without surgery. Gotta be the butt crack thing.

126 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:40:24pm

re: #123 jamesfirecat

What's Pre-Trial discovery exactly?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

127 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:41:36pm

re: #117 jaunte

blues guitarist Gary Clark Jr, now performing [Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

[Link: www.garyclarkjr.com...]

This is quite awesome. Even though I missed Beck.

128 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:41:37pm

re: #126 Obdicut
You beat me to it. Darn.

129 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:41:46pm

re: #123 jamesfirecat

What's Pre-Trial discovery exactly?

Thats the part of the trial where lawyers google the term.
/

130 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:43:27pm

re: #123 jamesfirecat

What's Pre-Trial discovery exactly?

That's the part of the trial where Breitbart gets hoisted on his own petard and decides to try and settle before they go in front of a judge for real.

131 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:44:20pm

re: #116 ProGunLiberal

That might actually be smaller than S&W Model 10.

Does anyone here have that gun, out of curiosity? Is it a good gun?

Been in continuous production since 1899 (Smith & Wesson Military & Police Model, name changed in the 1950's to Model 10.). Best. Combat. Revolver. in .38 special +P.

IMO & all that. But a really good design that is reliable, accurate & has a delightful double action trigger. I heartily recommend them to anyone looking for their first centerfire handgun.

I need another one ;)

132 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:44:29pm

re: #126 Obdicut

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Umm everything I know about the legal system I learned from playing Phoenix Wright, could I have the cliff notes /highlights /why it is important to this case version from some legal minded lizard while I try and muddle through the wikipedia version?

133 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:44:37pm

re: #119 Lidane

Also, this:

The New Republic: Why Mitt Romney’s Presidential Prospects May Not Be Salvageable

Willard's entire campaign boils down to "Yeah, I'm bad, but they're worse."

It's like watching an SNL skit in real time, but already knowing the punchline.

134 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:46:21pm

re: #125 William Barnett-Lewis

Look at the guys mugshot! It looks like there's a stick up his ass. And, unfortunately, that is reasonably correct.

135 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:46:44pm

re: #132 jamesfirecat

Sure.

Subdivision (b) is the heart of the discovery rule, and defines what is discoverable and what is limited. Anything that is relevant is available for the other party to request, as long as it is not privileged or otherwise protected. Under &sect1, relevance is defined as anything more or less likely to prove a fact that affects the outcome of the claim. It does not have to be admissible in court as long as it could reasonably lead to admissible evidence.

Very little will be privileged information.

136 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:46:56pm

Yeah, except for the part where you vetoed a law giving them full equality:

137 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:47:23pm

re: #136 Lidane

"Not a bigot, just supportive of bigots."

138 jaunte  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:47:45pm

re: #132 jamesfirecat

The Heartland Institute relies on working secretly behind the scenes. Just the revelation that they're paying prominent 'skeptics' is damaging to them. More damage will be done to them by discovery.

139 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:47:50pm

re: #136 Lidane

Yeah, except for the part where you vetoed a law giving them full equality:

"I'm not a bigot, I'm a two-faced asshole politician. Totally different things!"

140 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:48:15pm

re: #138 jaunte

The Heartland Institute relies on working secretly behind the scenes. Just the revelation that they're paying prominent 'skeptics' is damaging to them. More damage will be done to them by discovery.

This isn't Heartland. This is Brietbart/Sherrod.

141 jaunte  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:48:48pm

re: #140 Obdicut

Ah, ok. Too many windows open!

142 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:49:04pm

re: #132 jamesfirecat

Umm everything I know about the legal system I learned from playing Phoenix Wright, could I have the cliff notes /highlights /why it is important to this case version from some legal minded lizard while I try and muddle through the wikipedia version?

It means Andy's about to have every dark secret spread out on the front lawn for all to see.

143 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:49:22pm

re: #139 Targetpractice

"I'm not a bigot, I'm a two-faced asshole politician. Totally different things!"

Exactly why peeps say that Pat Buchanan is such a NICE GUY.

Do not trust your own and everyone else's "experience" Facts, just the facts.

Amazing.

144 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:50:13pm

re: #142 Targetpractice

It means Andy's about to have every dark secret spread out on the front lawn for all to see.

Now THAT I can understand!

145 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:50:25pm

re: #119 Lidane

Also, this:

The New Republic: Why Mitt Romney’s Presidential Prospects May Not Be Salvageable

Completely ignoring the real money problem Romney has due to the contested primary season he's ended up with.

146 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:50:42pm

The President is feeling it.

Thanks MM for the tip to watch!

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

147 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:50:59pm

re: #136 Lidane

Yeah, except for the part where you vetoed a law giving them full equality:

Name one, we'll ask him.

148 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:52:13pm

re: #124 Interesting Times

Should humanity stave off extinction for the next 1000 years, and this comment is somehow uncovered by digital archeologists around that time, the efforts at scholarly analysis and interpretation would be epic.

rofl! I managed to cover a lot of ground there!

149 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:52:52pm

re: #145 Kragar

Completely ignoring the real money problem Romney has due to the contested primary season he's ended up with.

Which is no doubt partially due to donors becoming unsure that he can seal the deal and win the nomination, let alone the presidency.

150 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:53:20pm

I am mildly interested in watching the Christie interview coming up on CNN, but not enough to sit through an hour with Piers Morgan.

151 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:54:00pm

Man, Google is crawling the hell out of LGF right now. More than a dozen googlebots are scouring through every page at the site.

152 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:54:16pm

re: #149 Targetpractice

Which is no doubt partially due to donors becoming unsure that he can seal the deal and win the nomination, let alone the presidency.

The real problem is Romney has mostly been financed by big money donors, who've already reached their annual donation limit. Romney isn't making any real money off the regular folks the way the other candidates have been.

153 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:55:06pm

re: #152 Kragar

The real problem is Romney has mostly been financed by big money donors, who've already reached their annual donation limit. Romney isn't making any real money off the regular folks the way the other candidates have been.

So he's burned through most of his warchest already and still getting his ass handed to him? The Great Romney Deathstar is running out of juice?

154 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:55:26pm

The stats panel shows more than 6400 online -- but more than half of those are googlebot hits.

155 RogueOne  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:55:29pm

Thought I'd share:

Girl Scout cookies plentiful in Indiana House as controversy crumbles
[Link: www.indystar.com...]

After controversial remarks by one Republican lawmaker attacking Girl Scouts as a radical group that supports abortion, House Speaker Brian Bosma made his feelings clear Tuesday, one Thin Mint cookie at a time.

Bosma, R-Indianapolis, pointedly offered Girl Scout cookies throughout the day and munched them as he presided over the House.

It was a snack prompted by State Rep. Bob Morris, a Fort Wayne Republican who recently sent an email to fellow GOP lawmakers explaining why he had been the lone lawmaker opposing a resolution honoring the 100th anniversary of the Girl Scouts.
......
Morris tried to quell the controversy by telling reporters the legislature has "other issues we need to move on to . . . so we can do the people's work."

Bosma clearly felt the same, but also clearly wanted people to know he didn't share Morris' views.

At one point Tuesday, he told House colleagues he had "purchased 278 cases of Girl Scout cookies in the last 48 hours."

156 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:55:52pm

re: #151 Charles Johnson

That flew over my head. Explain please.

157 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:56:40pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

So he's burned through most of his warchest already and still getting his ass handed to him? The Great Romney Deathstar is running out of juice?

This inevitability shit is damn expensive!

158 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:57:45pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

So he's burned through most of his warchest already and still getting his ass handed to him? The Great Romney Deathstar is running out of juice?


Two Charts That Should Make Romney Gulp

As you can see, Romney is the clear anomaly by a long shot, raising nearly 90 percent of his total haul from larger contributions. By contrast, only around 40% of Obama’s donations are from individuals who have given more than $200 total and his smaller contributors alone raised more money in total than Romney’s entire fundraising operation. For the rest of the Republican field, the ratio is somewhere closer to 50-50 — take a look at the total small donor cash for Gingrich and Paul, for example, and you see that their huge disadvantage versus Romney is almost entirely due to the frontrunner’s bigger contributors.

“What it shows is that [Romney] does not have a broad base of support among small donors, who are motivated to give small amounts to the campaign,” campaign finance expert and UC-Irvine professor Richard Hasen told TPM.

But the real worry for Romney is maxed out donors, who have given the $2,500 limit to his primary run and can no longer legally contribute. The chart below shows what percentage of each candidate’s total cash as of the start of 2012 came from top dollar donations.

Once again, Romney stands out big time, with 67% of his overall money derived from max donors. And after turning in a weaker than expected $6.5 million haul for January while burning through $18.8 million in expenses, wealthy backers tapping out may be a real problem. Hillary Clinton experienced similar troubles right around the same time in her presidential run, forcing her to donate $5 million of her own money in February 2008. At the start of that year, 56% of Clinton’s campaign donations came from max contributors vs. 40% for President Obama, who was running rings around her with under-$200 donors.

159 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:58:12pm

re: #155 RogueOne

Thought I'd share:

Girl Scout cookies plentiful in Indiana House as controversy crumbles
[Link: www.indystar.com...]

Good on Brian Bosma! That said, I'm really more of a Trefoils man myself....

160 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:58:35pm

I am now watching a doctor give Ice T's wife's butt an ultrasound on CNN.

161 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:59:40pm

re: #156 ProGunLiberal
There are a lot of folks using LGF as a search engine. I think.

162 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:59:45pm

re: #123 jamesfirecat

What's Pre-Trial discovery exactly?

In practice, it's the time where suddenly the only thing Breitbart knows how to say is "I don't recall."

163 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 5:59:52pm

re: #155 RogueOne

Thought I'd share:

Girl Scout cookies plentiful in Indiana House as controversy crumbles
[Link: www.indystar.com...]

Can he ship a couple boxes by FedEx?

//

164 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:01:41pm

Shocker: IAEA 'Disappointed' as Iran Blocks Experts From Visiting Military Site

The U.N. agency says Iran rejected the team's request to inspect the Parchin complex near Tehran, suspected of housing a secret underground nuclear facility. It says Iran denied a similar request when the IAEA team visited in late January. The IAEA also says it reached no agreement with Iran on a document to clarify unresolved issues including "possible military dimensions" to the Iranian nuclear program.

165 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:02:21pm

re: #160 I Am Jack's Medulla Oblongata

I am now watching a doctor give Ice T's wife's butt an ultrasound on CNN.

I am Jack's total disgust with the human race.
/

166 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:02:48pm

re: #158 Kragar


Two Charts That Should Make Romney Gulp

At the same time, the SuperPACs are not to be ignored, as they're what's keeping Newt's "campaign" afloat right now. But you're right, Willard's own ability to convince voters to send him money to fight the general with seems to be totally lacking. He might as well wear a hat saying "Mr. 1%."

167 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:03:31pm

Has anyone posted this? From Sally Kohn, who often goes up against Fox News as the resident Lib.

Sally Kohn @sallykohn

Summing up contraception controversy in one picture:

[Link: sallykohn.com...]

168 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:04:19pm

Maddow's doing a segment on O'Donnell about some extreme religiosity...

169 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:06:21pm

Brain set. Spy off. Chelada on.

170 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:07:11pm

re: #167 2012. Birth Control is NOT a political issue.

Has anyone posted this? From Sally Kohn, who often goes up against Fox News as the resident Lib.

Sally Kohn @sallykohn

Summing up contraception controversy in one picture:

[Link: sallykohn.com...]

Visuals are good things. And I agree.

171 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:07:56pm

re: #167 2012. Birth Control is NOT a political issue.

Has anyone posted this? From Sally Kohn, who often goes up against Fox News as the resident Lib.

Sally Kohn @sallykohn

Summing up contraception controversy in one picture:

[Link: sallykohn.com...]

That's a kick-ass bit of argument. Hope it travels far and wide.

172 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:10:27pm

re: #171 Decatur Deb

And so easily incorporates 99% v 1% With a pope hat!

173 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:13:06pm

Buddy Guy sitting? Forgive me, the blues sinner.

174 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:38:58pm

Is there a debate coming up? I'm starting to itch.

175 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:46:50pm

re: #155 RogueOne

Thought I'd share:

Girl Scout cookies plentiful in Indiana House as controversy crumbles
[Link: www.indystar.com...]

Good for him. Anyone who's deranged enough to think the Girl Scouts are evil should be forced to watch all their colleagues snacking on Girl Scout cookies all day, knowing that they're the odd person out.

176 Egregious Philbin  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:20:20pm

As a native Arizonan, I just gotta say sorry.

Sheriff Joke is a disgrace to mankind. At least he is really old and according to the actuarial tables, he won't live much longer


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Randall Gross
Unpacking Unpaused Global Warming - Climate Models Got It Right
Although the global climate has continued to build up heat at an incredibly rapid rate, there has been a keen focus among climate contrarians and in the media on the slowdown of the warming at the Earth's surface. The ...

9 hours, 25 minutes ago
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FemNaziBitch
How an Extreme Athlete Uncovered Her Genetic Flaw - Pacific Standard: The Science of Society
In other words, Kim was right. "I'm beyond impressed," says Michael Ackerman, a geneticist at the Mayo Clinic. He specializes in inherited heart disorders like ARVC that can cause sudden death at any time. Such diseases make for people ...

1 day, 16 hours ago
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sagehen
Doctor Who Spoiler Thread
For those who want to post immediately... live... without having to hide spoilers behind the button.

4 days, 5 hours ago
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EiMitch
Escapist: Maniac Cop
escapistmagazine.com Link broken? The gist is that this is an impressively sarcastic review of an old slasher flick based on the "unrealistic" premise of a cop abusing his power to murder people.

5 days, 5 hours ago
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Hyped Up On Ganja
Hunt for German neo-Nazis was ‘complete disaster’
BERLIN (AP) -- Police and security services in Germany's eastern state of Thuringia bungled the hunt for three neo-Nazis, who years later turned out to be the main suspects in a far-right murder spree. Story

5 days, 23 hours ago
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Rightwingconspirator
A Lizard’s Regenerating Tail
Don't ya hate it when that happens? You feel so short for a month. Anoles are curious little lizards capable of ditching their tails when they feel threatened. This self-amputation, called autotomy, takes about 25 days for the tail to ...

6 days, 7 hours ago
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CriticalDragon1177
Io9 - Everything You Need To Know About Lemuria, The Lost Continent Of Lemurs
Esther Inglis-Arkell talks about the weirdest lost continent myth, I've ever heard. Its the only one I know of that ever included giant telepathic lemurs. No seriously! In 1858 a young zoologist, playing around with an idea, came up with ...

6 days, 9 hours ago
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Laughing Gas
Scumbag “HBD believer” claims Michael Brown charged officer
WARNING: LINK TO HATE SITE He links to some ijreview, a right wing site: This guy makes me sick.

1 week, 2 days ago
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BadExampleMan
“Growth” and Some Jellyfish
This piece was basically just to use up some scraps I had sitting around. I liked the way the frit lace turned out but I didn't really have a use for it. I've been on a jellyfish kick lately. This ...

1 week, 5 days ago
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 Frank says:

I write the music I like. If other people like it, fine, they can go buy the albums. And if they don't like it, there's always Michael Jackson for them to listen to. -- Frank was talking about his music from the Yellow Shark.