Arpaio: I Briefed Santorum on My Birther Conspiracy Investigation

How much crazier can this presidential election get?
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Today in Phoenix, Arizona, far right anti-immigrant icon Sheriff Joe Arpaio was thoughtful enough to brief Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum on the status of his investigation into whether Barack Hussein Obama is a sekrit Moslem socialist Manchurian candidate:

Arpaio: I Briefed Santorum on My Birth Certificate Investigation.

Phoenix (CNN) – Joe Arpaio, the sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona, briefed GOP contender Rick Santorum on his investigation into President Barack Obama’s birth certificate, the controversial law enforcement official told reporters Tuesday.

After a speech to a Republican gathering in Phoenix where Santorum appeared earlier in the day, Arpaio explained he wanted to inform the candidate of his investigation “as a matter of fairness in case he wouldn’t want me to support him.”

How considerate of the Sheriff! Right wing thoughtfulness. It’s almost touching, in a perverse way.

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683 comments

1 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:07:59pm

The batshit meeting the batshit. Surprised a wingularity didn't open and swallow them both.

2 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:09:18pm

Well, with Rick Perry out of the race, who else did Arpaio really have to talk to?

3 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:11:21pm

These guys are one big pain in the neck.

4 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:12:02pm

re: #2 Kragar

Well, with Rick Perry out of the race, who else did Arpaio really have to talk to?

The voices in his head?

5 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:12:41pm

The Derp is strong with this one.

6 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:12:53pm

Birther? Really? Doesn't he realize we're on women's vaginas now? Get with the program!

7 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:13:29pm

re: #4 Targetpractice

The voices in his head?

"You want me to talk to your finger?"

"Don't be ridiculous. I want you to talk to the tiny man who lives inside my finger."

8 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:13:30pm

Isn't their a big federal investigation again Arpaio right now?

9 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:14:04pm

obama is singing

10 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:14:09pm

re: #8 ProGunLiberal

Isn't their a big federal investigation again Arpaio right now?

Big time.

And its "there"

11 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:14:27pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

The batshit meeting the batshit. Surprised a wingularity didn't open and swallow them both.

So this is what the Mayan predictions about 2012 were all about!

12 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:14:32pm

re: #9 2012. Birth Control is NOT a political issue.

obama is singing

OPPRESSION!

13 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:14:41pm

hoo whee

14 erik_t  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:15:16pm

God, I wouldn't wish that 'briefing' even on Frothy Mix.

15 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:15:17pm

republican party: catatonic or dogmatic?

16 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:16:05pm

re: #9 2012. Birth Control is NOT a political issue.

obama is singing

ROME IS BURNING AND HES SINGNING!!!???

17 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:16:33pm

re: #15 engineer cat

republican party: catatonic or dogmatic?

Aromatic.

18 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:16:36pm

re: #10 Kragar

Oops on the spelling.

What is the progress on the investigation? And what has been found so far?

19 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:17:58pm

re: #16 I Am Jack's Medulla Oblongata

ROME IS BURNING AND HES SINGNING!!!???

Nah 13K Dow, people are making bank.

20 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:18:50pm

re: #6 marjoriemoon

Birther? Really? Doesn't he realize we're on women's vaginas now? Get with the program pogrom!

FTFY.

21 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:19:18pm

re: #16 I Am Jack's Medulla Oblongata

ROME IS BURNING AND HES SINGNING!!!???

Those aren't the right lyrics!! Derp.

22 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:19:31pm
I’m watching Chopped, and it has four female chefs going head to head, and the appetizer protein was duck testicles, leading to interviews with women earnestly saying “I’ve never worked with testicles before.”

And I laughed, because I am secretly 12 years old.

I love John Cole.

23 jaunte  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:19:51pm

Meghan McCain is on the Maddow show. I'm not sure she can make a case that there are moderate Republicans who are actually paying attention to what their party is doing.

24 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:20:45pm

re: #18 ProGunLiberal

Oops on the spelling.

What is the progress on the investigation? And what has been found so far?

Arpaio's been obstructing the whole deal so far.

25 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:20:47pm

re: #23 jaunte

Meghan McCain is on the Maddow show. I'm not sure she can make a case that there are moderate Republicans who are actually paying attention to what their party is doing.

What did they say about the asylum?

//

26 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:21:39pm

re: #25 Gus

What did they say about the asylum?

//

That they love what's been done with the carpets, but not so sure about the burning crosses and white hoods.

//

27 jaunte  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:21:42pm

re: #25 Gus

She's opposed to the Virgina mandatory ultrasound law; thinks it will be 'radioactive' for supporters.

28 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:23:47pm

re: #23 jaunte

Meghan McCain is on the Maddow show. I'm not sure she can make a case that there are moderate Republicans who are actually paying attention to what their party is doing.

They are, it's just that all of them are effectively huddeling in a corner whimpering and wanting to make the crazies who have taken over their party go away.

29 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:24:07pm

re: #27 jaunte

She's opposed to the Virgina mandatory ultrasound law; thinks it will be 'radioactive' for supporters.

Well good. Of course that's Megan. The GOP needs more folks like her.

30 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:24:32pm

I can imagine the conversation between them.

Frothy: So what have you uncovered?
Arpaio: Not a damned thing!
Frothy: Nothing?
Arpaio: No. He's an American citizen all right.
Frothy: Shit! What do we do know?
Arpaio: Make something up. The people you want voting for you will eat is up, and there's a small chance some independents might buy our bullshit as well.
Frothy: Great idea! Let's do it.

These people are so predictable.

31 jaunte  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:26:05pm

Timing!

AWOOOGAH!!! Conservatives Start To Sound The Alarm Over Rick Santorum’s Extremism

Former Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush administration official Peter Wehner issued a stern warning in the pages of Commentary.

“A wise observer told me years ago that for a politician to be seen as the aggressor in the culture wars is the quickest way to lose them,” the longtime veteran of conservative politics wrote. “That is something Rick Santorum should bear in mind as this race moves forward.”

32 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:26:09pm

re: #24 Kragar

Why did I expect that?

Hoping the Feds can work around him. I've heard of cases of Prisoner mistreatment. I wonder if we can get him on that, then go from there.

33 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:26:38pm

re: #28 jamesfirecat

They are, it's just that all of them are effectively huddeling in a corner whimpering and wanting to make the crazies who have taken over their party go away.

The few Republicans who I've met who continue to describe themselves as "moderates" without it leaving a bad taste in their mouths seem to be living in complete denial. The Titanic is sinking and all they can hear is the band still playing.

34 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:29:41pm

We need to expand on term limits.

35 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:29:48pm

re: #32 ProGunLiberal

Why did I expect that?

Hoping the Feds can work around him. I've heard of cases of Prisoner mistreatment. I wonder if we can get him on that, then go from there.

Supposedly he and the DoJ have worked out an agreement to discuss a "reform road map." But he's also demanding that the DoJ release the details of their case against him.

So yeah, he seems to be admitting that there are reform needed, which pretty much is an admission that there are problems within his office...but he thinks the DoJ's full of shit and is demanding they show their hand.

36 mr.fusion  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:30:25pm

re: #23 jaunte

Meghan McCain is on the Maddow show. I'm not sure she can make a case that there are moderate Republicans who are actually paying attention to what their party is doing.

I think it's time for her to admit she's a Democrat

37 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:30:53pm

re: #27 jaunte

She's opposed to the Virgina mandatory ultrasound law; thinks it will be 'radioactive' for supporters.

The old white hung-up men of the Republican Party have really overreached with this one. It's obvious to any woman what the purpose of this ugly legislation is.

38 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:31:11pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

I would prefer for a full investigation to occur, and in the likely event of finding wrongdoing of whatever sort, him being tried in court.

39 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:32:51pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

The old white hung-up men of the Republican Party have really overreached with this one. It's obvious to any woman what the purpose of this ugly legislation is.

It's obvious to anyone with a brain, which the Good Ol' Boys Club certainly do not possess in any abundance.

40 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:32:57pm

re: #38 ProGunLiberal

I would prefer for a full investigation to occur, and in the likely event of finding wrongdoing of whatever sort, him being tried in court.

All current predictions are that this will go to court, but Arpaio's still screaming at the top of his lungs that the whole investigation is the DoJ under orders from Obama to run ol' Joe out of office.

41 mr.fusion  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:34:47pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

The old white hung-up men of the Republican Party have really overreached with this one. It's obvious to any woman what the purpose of this ugly legislation is.

Women, union workers, teachers, anyone they don't deem a "job-creator," minorities, homosexuals, the unemployed.......who do they have left other than old white hung-up men?

42 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:35:30pm

"I have a Run, Barack, Run bumper sticker, but it's on the front of my car."

-Frank Luntz

43 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:36:05pm

I recently discovered a couple of good friends are birthers.

No, I'm not going to bang my head on the table. I get too many headaches as it is.

(They are also anti-vaxxers, so why am I surprised?)

44 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:36:55pm

I propose renaming the GOP to the GOBC. They certainly look the part.

45 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:37:07pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

The old white hung-up men of the Republican Party have really overreached with this one. It's obvious to any woman what the purpose of this ugly legislation is.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him her with a terrible resolve."

46 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:38:47pm

re: #42 I Am Jack's Medulla Oblongata

"I have a Run, Barack, Run bumper sticker, but it's on the front of my car."

-Frank Luntz

And it got a laugh.

I hope the secret service visits Mr. Luntz.

47 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:40:38pm

And Indiana's election commissioner could be a guy convicted of voter fraud.

48 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:40:58pm

re: #42 I Am Jack's Medulla Oblongata

"I have a Run, Barack, Run bumper sticker, but it's on the front of my car."

-Frank Luntz

They are like cartoon people. Really bad cartoon people.

49 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:41:34pm

America's biggest publicity whore sheriff strikes again.

50 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:43:32pm

You walk up to the guy. Say, "what are you some kind of cartoon?" Then you snap both your fingers on the lapels of his jacket and say, "you think you're going to come into this club and talk like..." Then snap bot' yer hands back up.

51 Petero1818  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:43:52pm

Look at me. Please. Nobody has mentioned my name in a month. Look at me. Look over here. /

52 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:44:08pm

This race has gone from weird to absurdist comedy.

53 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:45:23pm

re: #42 I Am Jack's Medulla Oblongata

"I have a Run, Barack, Run bumper sticker, but it's on the front of my car."

-Frank Luntz

HURR DURR DERP

Luntz is a moron.

54 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:45:34pm

The birther/religious thing is ALL THEY HAVE.

Pitiful, embarrassing democracy you fucks.

Social studies of the future. How the GOP lost it's shit.

55 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:46:59pm

I guess when the economy improves. A return to birtherism, crazy so-cons, etc is what the doctor ordered. And these guys think the American people want more conservatism?

56 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:47:33pm

re: #54 2012. Birth Control is NOT a political issue.

The birther/religious thing is ALL THEY HAVE.

Pitiful, embarrassing democracy you fucks.

Social studies of the future. How the GOP lost it's shit.

Love it. Started thinking about how the GOP needs its own social worker.

57 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:47:36pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

This race has gone from weird to absurdist comedy.

The last two elections have presented rather lackluster candidates on one side or the other, but this year seems to be one of those they'll point to in future history books. Probably to remark "And here's where America officially lost its shit over the idea that a black guy might not only get elected, but reelected to the presidency."

58 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:48:06pm

re: #53 talon_262

HURR DURR DERP

Luntz is a moron.

The thing is, this is a guy who has spent his entire life making a living by doing everything he can to frame issues in that would be as appealing to as many America as possible.

And now he's making a joke about running over the President.

Truly the GOP no longer even cares.

59 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:49:20pm

re: #54 2012. Birth Control is NOT a political issue.

The birther/religious thing is ALL THEY HAVE.

Pitiful, embarrassing democracy you fucks.

Social studies of the future. How the GOP lost it's shit.

It's also why they're now trying so hard to make noise about the EU (Greece in particular) and China, gas prices, the housing market, etc. They're trying everything they can to make the economic picture look "grim" again so that they have something to run on. Because they know that the culture war is a loser, no matter what the loonies like Rush say.

60 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:50:08pm

re: #9 2012. Birth Control is NOT a political issue.

obama is singing

61 Altermite  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:50:28pm

re: #6 marjoriemoon

Birther? Really? Doesn't he realize we're on women's vaginas now? Get with the program!

Like Obama, vaginas are unamerican, so its natural that the two intersect.

62 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:52:57pm

re: #61 Altermite

But they're as American as apple pie.

[Dobro slide.]

//

63 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:54:00pm

re: #62 Gus

But they're as American as apple pie.

[Dobro slide.]

//

Cherry pie.

64 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:54:41pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

This race has gone from weird to absurdist comedy.

Image: volunteersneeded.gif

65 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:56:40pm

re: #64 Lidane

Image: volunteersneeded.gif

Christie? Nah, he's too "moderate."

McDonnell? He's in the process of falling on his own sword.

Scott? That's like chasing a dose of arsenic with a dose of cyanide.

Walker? See "Scott."

Palin? Political wilderness, here we come!

66 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:56:42pm

re: #61 Altermite

One of the funniest hashtags on my Twitter feed tonight:

[Link: twitter.com...]

67 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:57:09pm

re: #63 Kragar

Cherry pie.

[Starts stomping foot. 4/4 beat. Harmonica lead in.]

68 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:57:12pm

re: #64 Lidane

Image: volunteersneeded.gif

The robosaurus that the Onion brought up sounded good.

69 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:58:15pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

The robosaurus that the Onion brought up sounded good.

Careful now. They might want to factcheck The Onion over at Big Government now.

70 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:58:21pm

re: #67 Gus

[Starts stomping foot. 4/4 beat. Harmonica lead in.]

71 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:58:55pm

"They made reference to something called The Onion."

72 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:59:00pm

re: #66 Lidane

One of the funniest hashtags on my Twitter feed tonight:

[Link: twitter.com...]

lol. I'm holding back.

73 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:59:12pm

re: #69 Gus

Careful now. They might want to factcheck The Onion over at Big Government now.

That might save some of those douchebags from reporting Onion articles as fact. =P

74 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:00:17pm

re: #73 Lidane

That might save some of those douchebags from reporting Onion articles as fact. =P

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

76 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:01:47pm

re: #71 Gus

"They made reference to something called The Onion."

"He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor, bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."

77 freetoken  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:02:18pm

The nine tyrants in black robes continue with their indifference to Christian persecution:


Supreme Court won't hear appeal of student's anti-Christian lawsuit

The U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal Tuesday from a former high school student who sued his history teacher for disparaging Christianity in class in violation of his First Amendment rights.

[...]

78 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:02:25pm

re: #76 Kragar

"He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor, bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."

He could even dance the Flamenco.

79 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:03:12pm

re: #77 freetoken

The nine tyrants in black robes continue with their indifference to Christian persecution:

Supreme Court won't hear appeal of student's anti-Christian lawsuit

The War on Religion continues apace!

//

80 palomino  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:03:21pm

If you read the whole article, you'll see Arpaio's claim that he's "doing the President a favor by trying to clear up this whole mess." Haven't we already heard that BS from the Donald? Arpaio is holding a press conference next week to announce his findings. Oooh, I can't wait, maybe it will be as scintillating and informative as Trump's absurd press conference.

And what special evidence does a fucking sheriff in AZ have about birth certificates in Hawaii?

81 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:03:52pm

re: #54 2012. Birth Control is NOT a political issue.

The birther/religious thing is ALL THEY HAVE.

Pitiful, embarrassing democracy you fucks.

Social studies of the future. How the GOP lost it's shit.

But:

go read any [nominally] sane right-wing blog. E.g., not Free Republic. In the alternate universe blogs like Hot Air, Obama is a bumbling neophyte who barely understands which end of the pen the ink comes out of, the GOP is full of serious and lofty intellectuals who are Serious and Lofty. The Elder Job Creators of Ghal-Zharaa sit in the Temple of Commerce and frown grimly at the Shackles of Humiliation and await a Serious and Lofty Redeemer. The Media is in a perpetual conspiracy against the Lofty and Serious people who would make us all potentially tycoons.

82 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:04:10pm

re: #23 jaunte

Meghan McCain is on the Maddow show. I'm not sure she can make a case that there are moderate Republicans who are actually paying attention to what their party is doing.

She's a bellicose but non-crazy terrier, like her father. Good for debating though, since her aggression can keep an opponent off balance.

83 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:04:25pm

re: #77 freetoken

The U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal Tuesday from a former high school student who sued his history teacher for disparaging Christianity in class in violation of his First Amendment rights.

What a worthless little shit. Maybe he should have spent more time paying attention in class rather than looking to be offended.

84 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:05:06pm

The banner on the bottom of clips O'Donnell is playing reads "2012: Campaign for Christ." Heh.

85 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:05:07pm

re: #77 freetoken

The nine tyrants in black robes continue with their indifference to Christian persecution:

Supreme Court won't hear appeal of student's anti-Christian lawsuit

You know this is a pretty good SCOTUS we have now.

86 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:05:53pm

re: #84 I Am Jack's Medulla Oblongata

The banner on the bottom of clips O'Donnell is playing reads "2012: Campaign for Christ." Heh.

How could we forget.

87 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:06:18pm

re: #80 palomino

If you read the whole article, you'll see Arpaio's claim that he's "doing the President a favor by trying to clear up this whole mess." Haven't we already heard that BS from the Donald? Arpaio is holding a press conference next week to announce his findings. Oooh, I can't wait, maybe it will be as scintillating and informative as Trump's absurd press conference.

And what special evidence does a fucking sheriff in AZ have about birth certificates in Hawaii?

For realz, this is so 2008, I wanna hurl.

88 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:06:36pm

re: #80 palomino

If you read the whole article, you'll see Arpaio's claim that he's "doing the President a favor by trying to clear up this whole mess." Haven't we already heard that BS from the Donald? Arpaio is holding a press conference next week to announce his findings. Oooh, I can't wait, maybe it will be as scintillating and informative as Trump's absurd press conference.

And what special evidence does a fucking sheriff in AZ have about birth certificates in Hawaii?

No doubt he looked at a PDF of the released long-form and will inform us that the pixels have been altered, proving it a fake!

///

89 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:06:47pm

re: #80 palomino

If you read the whole article, you'll see Arpaio's claim that he's "doing the President a favor by trying to clear up this whole mess."

Dear Joe,

Image: sorryforthewait.jpg

Sincerely,
Barack Obama

90 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:06:55pm

re: #77 freetoken

Wait... how is that a violation of his First Amendment rights??

91 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:07:01pm
92 dragonfire1981  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:07:55pm

This is interesting, I got curious about abortion laws in my home state here so I did some Googling and found this article from a few years ago:

Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour signed a bill on Thursday that would prohibit abortions in the state should the Supreme Court ever overturn Roe v. Wade. The bill would also require abortion businesses there to allow women considering an abortion to see an ultrasound beforehand.

Under the trigger law, the only cases of abortion that would be allowed after Roe is reversed would be when the abortion directly threatens the life of the mother and in cases of rape.

The bill doesn't have an incest exception but legislators said it would be covered under the definition of rape.

Anyone who would do an illegal abortion if the law goes into effect would be sentenced to as much as 10 years in prison.

Another part of the bill would become law on July 1 and it requires abortion practitioners to allow women considering an abortion to view an ultrasound beforehand. Studies show that most women decide not to have an abortion after seeing the high-tech images of their unborn child.

Mary Spaulding Balch, an attorney for National Right to Life who addresses state legislation, said she was delighted to see Mississippi become the eighth state to enact legislation relating to ultrasounds and abortion.

She said it reflects a growing national trend in which states are increasingly providing women with the full range of information possible before they make the life and death decision of abortion.

"We commend Governor Haley Barbour for supporting women and their unborn children by signing this bill into law," she told LifeNews.com in a statement.

"History shows that if women are given the opportunity to review all of the facts about abortion, the development of their unborn child, and available alternatives, they are less likely to have an abortion," Balch added.

Alabama, Arkansas, Indiana, Michigan, Oklahoma, Utah and Wisconsin all have laws that provide women the opportunity to review ultrasound footage before having an abortion.

One state, Idaho, also has an ultrasound bill currently awaiting the Governor's signature. And, earlier this week, one house in each of the legislatures in South Carolina and Georgia overwhelmingly passed ultrasound legislation.

A final section of the legislation tightens the requirements for when a teenager can have an abortion. The state already has a parental consent law that disallows teens having abortions unless their parents sign off on it and the new provisions would decrease the number of waivers granted.

No legislator stood up against the bill when the House debated it and it passed there on a 95-16 margin.

Mississippi has approved several pro-life laws over the years that have lowered the number of abortions from a high of 4,325 per year in 1997 to 3,041 in 2005. The state has just one abortion business, which is located in Jackson.

I've never before heard that studies indicate that women who see ultrasounds are more likely to keep their child. Surprisingly (or perhaps not, depending on how you look at it) that claim appears to be false:

The research can't speak directly to laws like the proposed Texas bill, Wiebe told LiveScience, because in that study "nobody was ever forced to do something they didn't want to do." But it is the closest thing to research anyone has ever done on state sonogram policies.

The study, published in 2009 in the European Journal of Contraception and Reproductive Health Care, found when given the option, 72 percent of women chose to view the sonogram image. Of those, 86 percent said it was a positive experience. None changed their mind.

93 jaunte  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:08:08pm

Robert Reich:

The GOP’s Big Investors

Have you heard of William Dore, Foster Friess, Sheldon Adelson, Harold Simmons, Peter Thiel, or Bruce Kovner? If not, let me introduce them to you. They’re running for the Republican nomination for president.

....(he goes on to detail the contributions of each)....

Bottom line: Whoever emerges as the GOP standard-bearer will be deeply indebted to a handful of people, each of whom will expect a good return on their investment.

94 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:08:58pm

Oboy. He has Robert Jeffress on telling us more about how Mormonism isn't Christianity.

95 Mich-again  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:09:05pm

re: #77 freetoken

There is no First Ammendment protection against having your feelings hurt by free speech. Why is this such a difficult concept?

96 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:09:05pm

re: #80 palomino

If you read the whole article, you'll see Arpaio's claim that he's "doing the President a favor by trying to clear up this whole mess." Haven't we already heard that BS from the Donald? Arpaio is holding a press conference next week to announce his findings. Oooh, I can't wait, maybe it will be as scintillating and informative as Trump's absurd press conference.

And what special evidence does a fucking sheriff in AZ have about birth certificates in Hawaii?

Only his hostility to Barack Obama and his pathological need for attention. Arpaio's birtherism is what Jonathan Kay calls the "clinical conspiracist" variety, meaning a conspiracist who is actually mentally ill. Arpaio's birtherism seems to me a variation of Munchhausen's Syndrome.

97 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:09:18pm

Dear people of all religions,

I am an atheist. I don't want to get rid of religions.

Signed,

G

PS But I still might wanna bust your balls from time to time. Feel free to do the same.

98 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:09:27pm

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

She's a bellicose but non-crazy terrier, like her father. Good for debating though, since her aggression can keep an opponent off balance.

oooh, kinda bad form, from first read.

You compared her to a dog.

99 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:09:54pm

re: #93 jaunte

Robert Reich:

The GOP’s Big Investors

Have you heard of William Dore, Foster Friess, Sheldon Adelson, Harold Simmons, Peter Thiel, or Bruce Kovner? If not, let me introduce them to you. They’re running for the Republican nomination for president.

...(he goes on to detail the contributions of each)...

Bottom line: Whoever emerges as the GOP standard-bearer will be deeply indebted to a handful of people, each of whom will expect a good return on their investment.

But! Those folks are already getting a "good return."

100 dragonfire1981  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:10:05pm

re: #97 Gus

Dear people of all religions,

I am an atheist. I don't want to get rid of religions.

Signed,

G

PS But I still might wanna bust your balls from time to time. Feel free to do the same.

Dear people of all religions,

I am a Christian. I don't want to get rid of religions.

Signed,

DF

101 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:10:06pm

re: #90 I Am Jack's Medulla Oblongata

Wait... how is that a violation of his First Amendment rights??

Because a teacher criticizing his faith = state-sponsored religious persecution. Or something.

102 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:10:12pm

So it's nothing new really.

103 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:10:49pm

re: #92 dragonfire1981

A couple of things you already know:

If Roe v. Wade goes away, Mississippi will outlaw abortions. You already knew this. This is not new; it has not changed in the last few decades.

That's a pretty big if.

104 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:10:50pm

re: #100 dragonfire1981

Dear people of all religions,

I am a Christian. I don't want to get rid of religions.

Signed,

DF

Yep. Sometimes it works that way too.

105 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:11:17pm

re: #94 I Am Jack's Medulla Oblongata

Oboy. He has Robert Jeffress on telling us more about how Mormonism isn't Christianity.

Dobson and Jeffress Lament the Imminent 'Implosion' of America

106 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:11:59pm

re: #105 Kragar

Dobson and Jeffress Lament the Imminent 'Implosion' of America

Implosion of America. Oh my god that sounds so big. Really now.

107 Mich-again  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:12:43pm

Of course if the SCOTUS actually agreed with the kid, then the next step would be oh by the way, all other religions are offensive to me so they should all go away. It hurts my poor little head to think there are people out there who subscribe to a different faith. Make them go away!

108 freetoken  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:12:44pm

re: #85 Gus

You know this is a pretty good SCOTUS we have now.

Well... we could discuss Citizen's United... or any of a handful of other decisions that may have serious negative consequences and which decisions could be debated.

109 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:12:49pm

Speaking of abortion. I've been reading The Brethren. Just got done reading about the 1972 USSC term. Man I do not pity those justices for that decision. Blackmun and Brennan especially got a lot of harassment after they ruled in favor of Roe.

110 jaunte  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:13:09pm

re: #94 I Am Jack's Medulla Oblongata

Oboy. He has Robert Jeffress on telling us more about how Mormonism isn't Christianity.

According to Jeffress, Mormons are cultists, most Catholics are cultists.
I hope he keeps on shrinking his in-group.

111 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:14:10pm

re: #108 freetoken

Well... we could discuss Citizen's United... or any of a handful of other decisions that may have serious negative consequences and which decisions could be debated.

But that precedes this SCOT'.

112 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:14:23pm

re: #93 jaunte

Robert Reich:

The GOP’s Big Investors

Have you heard of William Dore, Foster Friess, Sheldon Adelson, Harold Simmons, Peter Thiel, or Bruce Kovner? If not, let me introduce them to you. They’re running for the Republican nomination for president.

...(he goes on to detail the contributions of each)...

Bottom line: Whoever emerges as the GOP standard-bearer will be deeply indebted to a handful of people, each of whom will expect a good return on their investment.

Come on, that can't be true! Only Democrats ever use the government to pay back their campaign donors! Solyndra!!!

113 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:15:31pm

re: #97 Gus

Dear people of all religions,

I am an atheist. I don't want to get rid of religions.

Signed,

G

PS But I still might wanna bust your balls from time to time. Feel free to do the same.

Relevant

114 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:15:36pm

re: #108 freetoken

Well... we could discuss Citizen's United... or any of a handful of other decisions that may have serious negative consequences and which decisions could be debated.

Meh. Citizens United just takes advantage of our real problem: an apathetic electorate that doesn't bother to inform itself and is highly susceptible to this crap.

115 jaunte  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:16:04pm

re: #112 Targetpractice

"Quod Erat Demonstrandum"
-- Rick Perry's Lucky Real Estate Deals

116 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:16:11pm

re: #95 Mich-again

There is no First Ammendment protection against having your feelings hurt by free speech. Why is this such a difficult concept?

A lot of conservatives in this country haven't yet figured out that there is no "freedom from criticism" that follows "freedom of speech."

117 Mich-again  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:16:52pm

If the Religious Right were around in Bethlehem, they would have sought charges against the Angel Gabriel for not warning every other parent in town about Herod's campaign to kill all the male children. So then, Gabriel How come you only told Joseph to flee to Egypt with his baby???

118 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:17:49pm

re: #77 freetoken

The nine tyrants in black robes continue with their indifference to Christian persecution:

Supreme Court won't hear appeal of student's anti-Christian lawsuit

I remember this case: The former student in question was so protected "by his helicopter parents that his water-polo team-mates nicknamed him 'princess'". His teacher called him out on his BS, whereupon Princess and his parents sued. The case was a big crock of shit whose incoherence the judge who it was assigned to openly disparaged. Not surprising that SCOTUS refused to hear it, as Supreme Court Justices won't give the time of day to ranting DERPers.

119 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:18:17pm

Good night now!

120 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:19:28pm

re: #113 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

Relevant

[Video]

We were lucky to have him.

121 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:20:22pm

re: #110 jaunte

According to Jeffress, Mormons are cultists, most Catholics are cultists.
I hope he keeps on shrinking his in-group.

Jeffress is affiliated with David "John Knox is more important to America than Thomas Jefferson" Barton, yeah? Really biblical fundamentalists like him are the biggest cultists out there.

122 dragonfire1981  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:20:44pm

Bryan Fischer: The left is responsible for Santorum surge

For social conservatives, Rick Santorum couldn’t have happened at a better time.

One of the most invigorating parts of this campaign for those who believe that moral values are the most important values in any election cycle has been Santorum’s unapologetic defense of social conservatism.

No retreat, no surrender, no hesitation. The pro-family community has longed for a full-throated defense of religion and morality in public life, what George Washington called the “indispensable supports of political prosperity,” and now they have it.

For social conservatives, the reality is that Newt Gingrich is a morally problematic candidate, Mitt Romney spiritually problematic, and Ron Paul politically problematic. Santorum stands alone as a staunch defender of historic Judeo-Christian values in the public arena who also has a history of personal integrity to back it up.

Santorum has faced withering attacks from secular fundamentalists for his stance on social issues, and is now taking unfriendly fire from members of his own party. Ron Paul (who for some strange reason is buddy-buddy with Mitt Romney) yesterday on CNN tried to get as far away from Santorum and social issues as possible, saying social issues are a “losing” proposition for the GOP. If Paul wanted to reassure skeptical values voters that he can be trusted with the power of the Oval Office, that wasn’t the way to go about it.

Here’s what Santorum said at Ave Maria University in 2008, in what has now become a widely circulated speech on the web:

“This is not a political war at all. This is not a cultural war at all. This is a spiritual war. And the Father of Lies has his sights on what you would think the Father of Lies, Satan, would have his sights on: a good, decent, powerful, influential country, the United States of America.”

The left, of course, stands mouths agape, aghast that any public figure would have the temerity to actually agree with Jesus about the reality of Satan. The phrase “Father of Lies,” in fact, was first found on the lips of the Christ (John 8:44). Jesus clearly did believe in the existence of Satan, and either Newt, Mitt and Paul agree with what Santorum said in 2008 or they are not as Christian as they claim. It might just be illuminating for someone to ask them.

Newt would probably squirm a little and agree, Mitt would have to agree since his church teaches not only that Satan exists but that he is the brother of Jesus, and Ron Paul would probably try to change the subject to the Federal Reserve.

Star Parker observes in an excellent column this morning that the left is probably more responsible than anyone for the Santorum surge, since so many pro-family people of faith are alarmed at the recent advances of amoral socialism in America.

Notice that also uses the Judeo-Christian terminology yet AGAIN here.

Also after reading this, I can't believe it but I actually agree with Ron Paul. Social issues ARE a losing proposition for the GOP, especially with regards to the General.

123 freetoken  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:20:50pm

re: #111 Gus

But that precedes this SCOT'.

Ok. But, do you think the little change that the last seated justice has manifested so far indicates it would have been a different decision?

re: #114 I Am Jack's Medulla Oblongata

Meh. Citizens United just takes advantage of our real problem: ...

I suppose that is true of many of the judicial decisions - judges on the whole (at this level anyway) do follow the Constitution or the case laws.

This brings me to something I've not seen many self-declared "conservatives" admit: given the acknowledge non-comprehensiveness of written constitutions and laws, judges have to interpret and adapt old laws to new circumstances and new events. There really isn't an option for a judicial system to not be "activists" in other words - justices respond to their contemporary situations.

124 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:20:54pm

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

Only his hostility to Barack Obama and his pathological need for attention. Arpaio's birtherism is what Jonathan Kay calls the "clinical conspiracist" variety, meaning a conspiracist who is actually mentally ill. Arpaio's birtherism seems to me a variation of Munchhausen's Syndrome.

If the Obama campaign wanted to rub Arpaio's nose in it, they'd send a few of these to his office:

[Link: store.barackobama.com...]

125 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:21:49pm

re: #116 Targetpractice

A lot of conservatives in this country haven't yet figured out that there is no "freedom from criticism" that follows "freedom of speech."

They're lucky this case didn't get heard by the Supreme Court. If it had, you'd likely have seen Stephen Breyer and Antonin Scalia joining forces to tear the OC brat's moron of a lawyer a new asshole. The Supreme Court does not suffer morons gladly.

126 dragonfire1981  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:21:55pm

Something else I wondered after reading the Fischer piece: Just what the heck is a "fundamental secularist"?

127 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:22:17pm

re: #123 freetoken

Ok. But, do you think the little change that the last seated justice has manifested so far indicates it would have been a different decision?

re: #114 I Am Jack's Medulla Oblongata

I suppose that is true of many of the judicial decisions - judges on the whole (at this level anyway) do follow the Constitution or the case laws.

This brings me to something I've not seen many self-declared "conservatives" admit: given the acknowledge non-comprehensiveness of written constitutions and laws, judges have to interpret and adapt old laws to new circumstances and new events. There really isn't an option for a judicial system to not be "activists" in other words - justices respond to their contemporary situations.

I think it might probably stand a better chance.

128 jaunte  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:22:49pm

re: #122 dragonfire1981

What Santorum's campaign needs now is EVEN MORE Bryan Fischer.

129 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:23:02pm

Atheists grief BTW. We even feel guilt.

130 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:23:33pm

Bryan Fischer is why drugs are illegal.

131 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:23:59pm

We even have feelings of longing.

132 jaunte  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:24:25pm

"No retreat, no surrender, no hesitation. Everybody over the cliff!"

133 Mich-again  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:24:37pm

I see Captain Obvious is writing the headlines again..

Nuclear Inspectors Say Their Mission to Iran Has Failed
The Santorum question: Is he too extreme for the middle?

Orly? Who knew?

134 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:24:54pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

The Supreme Court does not suffer morons gladly.

I disagree. Clarence Thomas has been on the bench since 1991. Clearly, there's a bit of a masochistic streak over at SCOTUS.

135 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:24:58pm

What I love about fundies like Fischer is they have no problem at disparaging other religions or belief systems but the second someone criticizes Christian theology, it's the worst possible thing ever. This man is clearly insane.

136 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:25:41pm

re: #128 jaunte

What Santorum's campaign needs now is EVEN MORE Bryan Fischer.

If it's anything like more cowbell, sign me up.

137 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:25:51pm

re: #126 dragonfire1981

Something else I wondered after reading the Fischer piece: Just what the heck is a "fundamental secularist"?

Someone who believes in freedom of religion (which necessarily includes freedom from religion).

138 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:25:53pm

re: #122 dragonfire1981

Bryan Fischer: The left is responsible for Santorum surge

Notice that also uses the Judeo-Christian terminology yet AGAIN here.

Also after reading this, I can't believe it but I actually agree with Ron Paul. Social issues ARE a losing proposition for the GOP, especially with regards to the General.

Has anyone told Bryan that there is talk that the Left may use Michigan's open primaries to give Santorum the win, boosting his chances of being the GOP nominee this fall?

139 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:26:05pm

Playing ST:OTR and just saw an Imperial Guild called "The Tauntaun Macoute"

I really don't know how to react to that.

140 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:26:27pm

re: #136 I Am Jack's Medulla Oblongata

If it's anything like more cowbell, sign me up.

Check out my new avatar then.

141 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:26:32pm

re: #122 dragonfire1981

Bryan Fischer: The left is responsible for Santorum surge

Notice that also uses the Judeo-Christian terminology yet AGAIN here.

Also after reading this, I can't believe it but I actually agree with Ron Paul. Social issues ARE a losing proposition for the GOP, especially with regards to the General.

Compared to Bryan Fischer, Ron Paul is bound to look good, since he himself is not a hater (which Fischer very clearly is). One of the problems with Ron Paul, though, is his willingness to enable haters and pander to them.

142 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:26:35pm

re: #135 HappyWarrior

What I love about fundies like Fischer is they have no problem at disparaging other religions or belief systems but the second someone criticizes Christian theology, it's the worst possible thing ever. This man is clearly insane.

That's because they just don't get it.

143 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:26:38pm

Michele Bachmann’s District No Longer Exists, But She’s Running for Congress Anyway

This morning, a special court in Minnesota ruled that Michele Bachmann's home district is to be folded into another district to reflect population shifts from the last 10 years. Bachmann, who is nothing if not tenacious, says she'll run for re-election, in her home district, anyway — against another incumbent Minnesota Congresswoman. This is going to be the most entertaining Congressional race of 2012.

If Bachmann wants to run in the reconfigured district, she'll have to face six-term incumbent Democrat Betty McCollum, who, for all intents and purposes, is the complete opposite of Bachmann.

144 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:27:40pm

re: #139 Kragar

Playing ST:OTR and just saw an Imperial Guild called "The Tauntaun Macoute"

I really don't know how to react to that.

Bullshit. You laughed. Don't pretend you didn't.

145 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:27:58pm

re: #139 Kragar

Playing ST:OTR and just saw an Imperial Guild called "The Tauntaun Macoute"

I really don't know how to react to that.

There's a guild on my server called Looking for Love in Alderaan Places.

I laughed.

146 palomino  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:28:14pm

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

Only his hostility to Barack Obama and his pathological need for attention. Arpaio's birtherism is what Jonathan Kay calls the "clinical conspiracist" variety, meaning a conspiracist who is actually mentally ill. Arpaio's birtherism seems to me a variation of Munchhausen's Syndrome.

Has Arpaio been a birther all along? Did the Donald's epic fail not dissaude Arpaio from pursuing this? Or is this all a deflection from the scandals in his own office?

147 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:28:38pm

re: #144 I Am Jack's Medulla Oblongata

Bullshit. You laughed. Don't pretend you didn't.

Oh, I got a kick out of it, just not sure it belongs in a game.

148 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:29:00pm

re: #132 jaunte

"No retreat, no surrender, no hesitation. Everybody over the cliff!"

THIS. I've developed a dislike for using war rhetoric to describe domestic problems, on of a very few things I now find myself agreeing with Ron Paul about.

149 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:29:50pm

re: #143 Lidane

Michele Bachmann’s District No Longer Exists, But She’s Running for Congress Anyway

Oh man, it would be great if her career could end and she'd fade away but I am sure Fox News would find a place for her and you know she has a book in the works. Any moron can get a book deal these days. See Palin, Sarah.

150 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:30:16pm

re: #143 Lidane

Michele Bachmann’s District No Longer Exists, But She’s Running for Congress Anyway

Did you hear that there's a grand conspiracy to remove Alan West from office? Yeah, apparently the GOP-dominated legislature is working under the orders of the Vast Liberal Conspiracy to erase his district.

///

151 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:30:16pm

re: #147 Kragar

Oh, I got a kick out of it, just not sure it belongs in a game.

You and maybe three other people on your server would get that. Fuck, I'll bet not even everyone in that guild gets it...

152 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:30:18pm

re: #139 Kragar

Playing ST:OTR and just saw an Imperial Guild called "The Tauntaun Macoute"

I really don't know how to react to that.

That's clever.
In a fucked up kind of way.

153 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:30:58pm

re: #143 Lidane

Finally good see that dimbulb pushed out (hopefully).

Betty McCollum is pretty good, right?

154 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:30:58pm

re: #146 palomino

Has Arpaio been a birther all along? Did the Donald's epic fail not dissaude Arpaio from pursuing this? Or is this all a deflection from the scandals in his own office?

I dunno about the first and last questions. I don't think Trump dissuaded him at all: His ego is far to big for that.

155 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:31:09pm
156 nines09  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:31:54pm
157 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:32:02pm

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

And I have taken to the opposite, using the war rhetoric myself.

158 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:32:10pm

re: #151 I Am Jack's Medulla Oblongata

You and maybe three other people on your server would get that. Fuck, I'll bet not even everyone in that guild gets it...

Probably.

159 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:32:35pm

re: #153 ProGunLiberal

Finally good see that dimbulb pushed out (hopefully).

Betty McCollum is pretty good, right?

Yeah she's fine. Even if she were a Republican, she'd be better than Bachmann chances are because Bachmann is batshit. McCollum is from St. Paul so she's pretty liberal.

160 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:32:37pm

After seeing Rick Santorum, Michele "Big Eyes" Bachmann almost seems like a liberal Democrat.

//

161 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:32:51pm

Arpaio: I Briefed Santorum on My Birther Conspiracy Investigation

Boxer briefs don't count.

162 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:33:11pm

re: #139 Kragar

Playing ST:OTR and just saw an Imperial Guild called "The Tauntaun Macoute"

I really don't know how to react to that.

What is stotr?

163 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:33:43pm

re: #150 Targetpractice

Did you hear that there's a grand conspiracy to remove Alan West from office? Yeah, apparently the GOP-dominated legislature is working under the orders of the Vast Liberal Conspiracy to erase his district.

///

Florida gained representation, so it has to redistrict. Redistricting is controlled by party establishments, not "Tea Party Outsiders". Though you'd think that someone who had risen to be a Lt. Col. in the US Army would understand this and make sure to kiss the ring as needed.

164 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:33:52pm

re: #150 Targetpractice

Did you hear that there's a grand conspiracy to remove Alan West from office? Yeah, apparently the GOP-dominated legislature is working under the orders of the Vast Liberal Conspiracy to erase his district.

///

It's just like how the Republican governor of Hawaii covered up for the fact that Obama is a sekrit Kenyan Mooslim.

165 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:34:10pm

re: #162 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

What is stotr?

Its called I typo SW:OTR, Star Wars: The Old Republic

166 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:34:22pm

re: #163 Dark_Falcon

Florida gained representation, so it has to redistrict. Redistricting is controlled by party establishments, not "Tea Party Outsiders". Though you'd think that someone who had risen to be a Lt. Col. in the US Army would understand this and make sure to kiss the ring as needed.

West is a self entitled prick so of course he doesn't understand.

167 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:34:39pm

re: #158 Kragar

Probably.

Though I suppose I should allow for the possibility that are some of Haitian decent who may find it incredibly offensive... Okay, you might be right.

168 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:34:40pm

Could someone please remind these morons that the internet is forever?

169 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:34:50pm

re: #162 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

What is stotr?

Sup commie.

170 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:35:30pm

re: #165 Kragar

Figures why it didn't google.

171 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:35:37pm

re: #168 Lidane

Could someone please remind these morons that the internet is forever?

Nice try Petey but we all saw it and the later Funny or Die video.

172 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:35:42pm

Got sucked into Star Trek Online.
Heh, never thought I'd play a mmo again...

173 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:36:01pm

re: #167 I Am Jack's Medulla Oblongata

Though I suppose I should allow for the possibility that are some of Haitian decent who may find it incredibly offensive... Okay, you might be right.

They were just walking out of the Guild Registration, I don't expect it to last long.

174 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:36:13pm

re: #153 ProGunLiberal

Finally good see that dimbulb pushed out (hopefully).

Betty McCollum is pretty good, right?

Seriously, it's funny to think that, after this year:

Bachmann will no longer be in Congress because her district no longer exists.

Paul will no longer be in Congress because he's bet the farm on a long shot that would make bookies in Vegas question his sanity.

Perry may very well find his reelection chances hampered by the damage he's done not only to his own reputation, but his state's reputation.

Cain will be stuck at the Tea Party's darling for the next 4 years at least.

And Newt, Romney, and Santorum will go back to inhabiting the political wilderness for another 4 years.

175 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:36:41pm

re: #132 jaunte

"No retreat, no surrender, no hesitation. Everybody over the cliff!"

Heh. Imagine that promoted to the main topic. Perfect description of the TP wing of the Republicans.

176 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:36:45pm

re: #169 Gus

Sup commie.

[Theremin wail]

177 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:36:58pm

re: #172 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Got sucked into Star Trek Online.
Heh, never thought I'd play a mmo again...

Resistance is futile.

178 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:37:38pm

re: #176 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

[Theremin wail]

Huntz tomato sauce!

179 jaunte  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:38:01pm

re: #175 Daniel Ballard

[This campaign based on a graphic novel by Frank Miller]

180 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:38:32pm

Dark -- If you want to understand my opinion of just how shitty of a justice Clarence Thomas is, read the opinion and dissents for this case:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Clarence Thomas wrote a dissent that literally had nothing to do with the matter at hand, and which suggested that he had no idea what the fuck was going on. It's the most miserable excuse for legal thinking I've had the displeasure of reading in a long time.

181 palomino  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:39:03pm

OT: Anybody else notice that a day or two after Santorum says something extremely right wing and controversial, Mitt picks up the issue and imitates Rick. The latest is that Obama "fights against religion."

It's as if a chip in Romney's onboard computer recognizes the latest far-right talking point from his rivals, and instructs the rest of Mitt to mimic a human response that is precisely as far to the right. Craven doesn't even begin to describe his campaign.

It's pure horseshit, of course, and Romney had said basically nothing about the issue until the last couple of days, right on cue after Santorum brought it up.

182 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:39:15pm

re: #174 Targetpractice

I'm hoping Santorum can pull out the nomination. The US needs the Republicans as badly damaged as possible, and he is the most damaging candidate.

183 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:39:33pm

re: #179 jaunte

[This campaign based on a graphic novel by Frank Miller]

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184 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:40:03pm

re: #183 jamesfirecat

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[Link: www.badgerbadgerbadger.com...]

185 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:40:11pm

re: #181 palomino

OT: Anybody else notice that a day or two after Santorum says something extremely right wing and controversial, Mitt picks up the issue and imitates Rick. The latest is that Obama "fights against religion."

It's as if a chip in Romney's onboard computer recognizes the latest far-right talking point from his rivals, and instructs the rest of Mitt to mimic a human response that is precisely as far to the right. Craven doesn't even begin to describe his campaign.

It's pure horseshit, of course, and Romney had said basically nothing about the issue until the last couple of days, right on cue after Santorum brought it up.


It's why Mitt is a political coward.

186 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:40:37pm

re: #182 ProGunLiberal

I'm hoping Santorum can pull out the nomination. The US needs the Republicans as badly damaged as possible, and he is the most damaging candidate.

No, I'd say Paul's the most damaging, but Santorum's actually got a chance of winning the nomination. No, all Paul and his supporters will do at the convention is bitch that the whole thing's "rigged" and they know it because he won the Iowa straw poll and various internet polls.

187 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:41:29pm

re: #186 Targetpractice

True. I should qualify it as Santorum is the most damaging viable candidate.

188 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:41:34pm

re: #186 Targetpractice

No, I'd say Paul's the most damaging, but Santorum's actually got a chance of winning the nomination. No, all Paul and his supporters will do at the convention is bitch that the whole thing's "rigged" and they know it because he won the Iowa straw poll and various internet polls.

Then get baked.

189 freetoken  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:41:46pm

re: #181 palomino

OT: Anybody else notice that a day or two after Santorum says something extremely right wing and controversial, Mitt picks up the issue and imitates Rick. The latest is that Obama "fights against religion."

When marinating Tofu, it is sometimes recommended to let is sit overnight in the marinade, to give it enough time to soak up the flavor.

190 jaunte  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:43:01pm

@Art_Guy1
I donated all my sweater vests to Goodwill today. Thanks Rick Santorum.

191 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:43:15pm

Even if Romney wins he's gonna be forced to pick Santorum or someone alot like him for the VP spot. He's in a position much like McCain was four years ago. The base distrusts him no matter how much he panders to them so he'll need to find a sweetheart to suck up to the conservatives much like McCain did with Palin.

192 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:43:31pm

re: #189 freetoken

When marinating Tofu, it is sometimes recommended to let is sit overnight in the marinade, to give it enough time to soak up the flavor.

So Mitt's marinating in... Santorum? Overnight?

You're disgusting.

193 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:43:32pm

re: #180 Lidane

BTW, it's worth noting that even Scalia calls out Thomas for his shitty legal thinking in the footnotes of the main Court opinion:

JUSTICE THOMAS ignores the holding of Erznoznik, and denies that
persons under 18 have any constitutional right to speak or be spoken to
without their parents’ consent. He cites no case, state or federal,
supporting this view, and to our knowledge there is none.
Most of his
dissent is devoted to the proposition that parents have traditionally had
the power to control what their children hear and say. This is true
enough. And it perhaps follows from this that the state has the power
to enforce parental prohibitions—to require, for example, that the
promoters of a rock concert exclude those minors whose parents have
advised the promoters that their children are forbidden to attend. But
it does not follow that the state has the power to prevent children from
hearing or saying anything without their parents’ prior consent.

194 jaunte  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:43:36pm

Andy Borowitz @BorowitzReport
Fox News Reports: Obama Only Killed bin Laden to Seem Less Muslim

195 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:43:49pm

There you have it then. Most Republican men are celibate.

196 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:44:30pm

re: #194 jaunte

Andy Borowitz @BorowitzReport
Fox News Reports: Obama Only Killed bin Laden to Seem Less Muslim

The sad part is I can totally see Hannity claiming this.
"Oh, you know he only did this to cover up his sympathies with Al Queda."

197 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:45:51pm

re: #182 ProGunLiberal

I'm hoping Santorum can pull out the nomination. The US needs the Republicans as badly damaged as possible, and he is the most damaging candidate.

You're wrong, PLL, though you'll never agree with me. America needs two healthy political parties, it's ultimately the only way forward. But I'll never turn on the GOP, or at least not on my local party.

But I think you and I together prove the saying that all politics is local: We are both Anti-Asshole and we support the party in our locality that is less populated with assholes. In the Chicago suburbs, that party is the Republican party. In Colorado Springs, it is the Democratic Party. We live in different places, but I think at heart we both vote for those we think decent and against those we know to be jerks.

198 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:46:15pm

re: #196 HappyWarrior

The sad part is I can totally see Hannity claiming this.
"Oh, you know he only did this to cover up his sympathies with Al Queda."

AND BILL AYERS! wHY WONT ANYONE TALK ABOUT BILL AYERS!!

199 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:46:47pm

re: #196 HappyWarrior

The sad part is I can totally see Hannity claiming this.
"Oh, you know he only did this to cover up his sympathies with Al Queda."

The GOP's 2 biggest problems:

GM is alive.
Bin Laden is dead.

200 erik_t  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:47:07pm

re: #197 Dark_Falcon

Oooookay, buddy. You just, uh, you just keep moderatin' your GOP pals up there. It's working wonders.

201 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:47:07pm

re: #198 I Am Jack's Medulla Oblongata

AND BILL AYERS! wHY WONT ANYONE TALK ABOUT BILL AYERS!!

AND JEREMIAH WRIGHT.

202 jaunte  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:48:22pm

re: #199 Kragar

Time for the Jimmy McMillan move: "The gas is too damn high!"

203 freetoken  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:48:38pm

re: #199 Kragar

The GOP's 2 biggest problems:

"2"?

Only "2"?

204 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:48:58pm

re: #199 Kragar

The GOP's 2 biggest problems:

GM is alive.
Bin Laden is dead.

Three problems:
The recession ended.

205 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:49:02pm

re: #199 Kragar

The GOP's 2 biggest problems:

GM is alive.
Bin Laden is dead.

3rd biggest?
Closet door won't stay shut...

206 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:49:19pm

I agree we need two political parties and healthy debate but the GOP's turn to social conservatism only alarms me. When I was growing up in Virginia in the 90's, we had John Warner as Senator and my Rep was Tom Davis. Both Republicans but both were not the hardcore dogmatists I see as a large part of the party here in Virginia today. I can't imagine Warner or Davis wanting any part in the Vaginal ultrasound bill that I know you all have heard so much about here. These guys were Republicans but they weren't nutcases like George Allen, Bob McDonnell, Bob Marshall, and Ken Cuccinneli are.

207 erik_t  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:49:30pm

re: #203 freetoken

"2"?

Only "2"?

WHARRGARBL QUOTATION MARKS ARE NOT EMPHASIS MARKS

/deep breaths

ok. ok. i'm ok.

208 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:50:40pm

re: #194 jaunte

Andy Borowitz @BorowitzReport
Fox News Reports: Obama Only Killed bin Laden to Seem Less Muslim

AAUUUGGHH! THE STUUPIDD!! IT BURNNSSS!!!

[runs around screaming]

209 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:50:42pm

re: #197 Dark_Falcon

At this point though, I'm going to go back to the hypothesis that the US has ceased to have a Left-Right fissure. We now have a Reason-Reactionary Religious fissure, much like the Middle East. The scary part is, the Reactionary Religious have more power here than in several Middle East nations. The religious reactionaries are weaker in Jordan, Tunisia, and Morocco. Ideologically the Republicans are much less damaging than the AKP of Turkey, and possibly even the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt. And least the Muslim Brotherhood is shouting down the Salafists, while the Republicans are encouraging the Christian Equivalent.

We need the Republican Party to die away, so another party, without the Theocratic adornments, can take its place

210 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:50:42pm

I mean damn when we have elected officials claiming that the president is a terrorist sympathizer. It's time to evaluate yourself very carefully when you're thinking that way. Did I agree with Bush's foreign policies, no, but did I think he was in cahoots with terrorists? No frigging way.

211 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:51:05pm

re: #203 freetoken

"2"?

Only "2"?

Amongst their problems are such diverse elements as...

CARDINAL FANG! READ THE CHARGES!

212 freetoken  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:52:12pm

Even though I agree that the GOP has waded well into the deep end of the Pool of Stupid, I do not take for granted that President Obama is a shoe-in, or that the GOP will lose control of the House.

In my day to day travels in my community I come across many people (usually older) who seem to voice very negative opinions about President Obama. Especially at the gym where the old farts do their thing - many have no problem sharing their low views of President Obama.

213 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:52:14pm

re: #197 Dark_Falcon

You're wrong, PLL, though you'll never agree with me. America needs two healthy political parties, it's ultimately the only way forward. But I'll never turn on the GOP, or at least not on my local party.

But I think you and I together prove the saying that all politics is local: We are both Anti-Asshole and we support the party in our locality that is less populated with assholes. In the Chicago suburbs, that party is the Republican party. In Colorado Springs, it is the Democratic Party. We live in different places, but I think at heart we both vote for those we think decent and against those we know to be jerks.

As a national party the GOP needs to crash an burn to the point that people like you can create something new in its place.

214 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:52:28pm

re: #200 erik_t

Ooookay, buddy. You just, uh, you just keep moderatin' your GOP pals up there. It's working wonders.

Well, excuse me!

/sarc

215 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:53:59pm

Haha Hahahaha Hahahahahahaha ... (gasp) HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!:

Hoping to make up lost ground in Michigan, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney on Tuesday reversed course and praised labor unions.

At a town hall campaign event in Shelby Township, the candidate told supporters that “labor unions play an important role in our society.”

“There are some like the carpenters union that compete on a fair basis and train their members to have greater skills,” Romney noted. “And so, they are an important part of America’s economy.”

The former Massachusetts governor went on to complain that President Barack Obama was “saluting to the union bosses” instead of looking after the workers.

Just last week, the Romney campaign blasted labor unions, saying that “they too often stand as obstacles to growth and fight against the workers they are supposed to serve.”

216 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:54:06pm

re: #212 freetoken

A hell of a lot can happen between now and November. I'm not taking anything for granted until the votes are counted.

217 erik_t  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:54:16pm

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

Well, excuse me!

/sarc

I ask in all seriousness: when might we see the fruits of your labor? At what point will the GOP have become so radical and insane that they will step back and become amenable to reason and reconsideration?

I don't really expect an answer.

218 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:54:42pm

re: #197 Dark_Falcon

You're wrong, PLL, though you'll never agree with me. America needs two healthy political parties, it's ultimately the only way forward. But I'll never turn on the GOP, or at least not on my local party.

But I think you and I together prove the saying that all politics is local: We are both Anti-Asshole and we support the party in our locality that is less populated with assholes. In the Chicago suburbs, that party is the Republican party. In Colorado Springs, it is the Democratic Party. We live in different places, but I think at heart we both vote for those we think decent and against those we know to be jerks.

America has shed bad political parties in the past, the Whigs for a more prominent example. The GOP disappearing into the mists or being demoted to third party status is an opportunity for a new opposition party to come into its own, perhaps a true center-right party that would not be beholden to an icon or a failed ideology.

219 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:54:43pm

re: #215 goddamnedfrank

Haha Hahahaha Hahahahahahaha ... (gasp) HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!:

So now he likes unions. As soon as that primary's done, he'll be back to his good ole union bashing self.

220 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:54:53pm

re: #213 jamesfirecat

Exactly!

To me, the Republican Party has become the Christian Equivalent of the Al-Nour Party.

All I want to see is a Conservative Party in the pattern of the Conservative Party in Norway

221 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:55:39pm

Obama remains the best candidate.

222 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:55:40pm

re: #215 goddamnedfrank

I think he just shot himself politically, considering the way Republicans are now.

223 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:56:18pm

Four.

224 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:56:42pm

re: #215 goddamnedfrank

Haha Hahahaha Hahahahahahaha ... (gasp) HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!:

Romney: ‘If You Just Cut…As You Cut, You’ll Slow Down The Economy’

225 jaunte  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:56:57pm

re: #223 Gus

?

226 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:57:14pm

re: #225 jaunte

?

More.

227 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:57:18pm

In 1952, it looked like the GOP could have really declined or fell off especially if they had chosen a paleocon like Robert A. Taft as their nominee. They chose a moderate, Dwight Eisenhower and the Republicans adapted to the reality of the post New Deal/WWII world. I think what needs to be done here is an Eisenhower moment. They need to realize the culture wars of the past are over and not worth fighting over. Social conservatism isn't going to be a winning issue in the coming years. Fiscal conservatism may still have a shot but this I hate the government blah blah but I have no problem using it to push my moral beliefs will be a thing of the past or so I hope. I think it will take an ass kicking this year and maybe in 2014 or 16 for the Republicans to realize this though.

228 darthstar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:57:27pm

Hey...wasn't there supposed to be a debate tonight?

229 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:57:28pm

re: #215 goddamnedfrank

Haha Hahahaha Hahahahahahaha ... (gasp) HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!:

So that's praising unions and speaking against ham-handed budget cuts in the same day.

In other news, the Santorum campaign just sent the Romney campaign a fruit basket, the card saying "Thanks for doing our work for us."

230 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:57:30pm

re: #226 Gus

More what?

Edit: Oh, duh!!

231 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:57:59pm

re: #226 Gus

More.

Beers?

232 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:58:01pm

re: #226 Gus

More.

Years. Four more years.

233 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:58:09pm

re: #228 darthstar

I thought it was tomorrow.

234 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:58:33pm

re: #228 darthstar

Hey...wasn't there supposed to be a debate tonight?

As the South Park song goes... Tomorrow Night.

235 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:59:36pm

re: #229 Targetpractice

In other news, the Santorum campaign just sent the Romney campaign a fruit basket, the card saying "Thanks for doing our work for us."

And in more news, the Obama campaign is flummoxed, trying to decide who to send fruit baskets to first -- Romney for praising unions and saying that just cutting spending slows the economy, Santorum for being Santorum, or Newt's sugar daddy for threatening to give him $100 million to keep Newt in the race.

236 darthstar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:59:58pm

re: #233 ProGunLiberal

I thought it was tomorrow.

Okay...that explains the internet silence on it...though I'd love to see it completely ignored for once...wouldn't that be fun? Watching Romney and Gingrich and Santorum trying not to look devastated that nobody gave a crap what they had to say...

237 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:00:19pm

re: #235 Lidane

And in more news, the Obama campaign is flummoxed, trying to decide who to send fruit baskets to first -- Romney for praising unions and saying that just cutting spending slows the economy, Santorum for being Santorum, or Newt's sugar daddy for threatening to give him $100 million to keep Newt in the race.

100,000,000???
O_o

238 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:00:37pm

re: #235 Lidane

And in more news, the Obama campaign is flummoxed, trying to decide who to send fruit baskets to first -- Romney for praising unions and saying that just cutting spending slows the economy, Santorum for being Santorum, or Newt's sugar daddy for threatening to give him $100 million to keep Newt in the race.

At this point, even I'm beginning to wonder if Obama sold his soul to have these dumbasses running against him.

239 freetoken  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:00:43pm

The JBS-esque fear of "Agenda 21" is brewing in the Tea Paryting cauldrons... and doesn't seem to be abating.

A simple Google search for news items on it from the last 24 hours gives several examples:

[Link: www.google.com...]


For example this:

Jesse Helms' nephew continues family's anti-civil rights legacy in North Carolina

The board of commissioners in Wake County, N.C. voted yesterday to endorse a constitutional ban on gay marriage in an effort led by Chairman Paul Coble, the nephew of former U.S. Sen. Jesse Helms (R-N.C.), a pro-segregationist and gay-rights opponent who died in 2008. Coble is running for the Republican nomination for a U.S. House seat.


[...]

While Coble does not engage in the same hateful public speech toward gay people as his uncle, he has taken his uncle's issues with the United Nations to a whole new level of tinfoil hattery. In 2000, Helms -- then chair of the Senate's Foreign Relations Committee -- became the first legislator from any member state to address the U.N. Security Council as part of an effort to get the body to undertake reforms in order to continue receiving U.S. funding [...]

This anti-"Agenda 21" fervor brews in the usual community of neo-confederates and throwbacks... which have not gone away quietly.

240 Gus  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:00:46pm

Breaking news. Obama is re-elected.

241 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:00:53pm

re: #222 ProGunLiberal

I think he just shot himself politically, considering the way Republicans are now.

Whatever way anyone is, he just shot himself in the foot. The man needs to plant his damn feet and hold his lines. If he can't do that tomorrow, he can kiss his home state's votes goodbye.

Mitt Romney needs to remember the fate of Arlen Specter: Voters don't want a windcock, they want someone who will stand for something besides his own ambition.

242 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:00:58pm

re: #237 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

100,000,000???
O_o

Casino mogul ‘might’ give $100 million to help Newt Gingrich

243 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:01:01pm

re: #235 Lidane

And in more news, the Obama campaign is flummoxed, trying to decide who to send fruit baskets to first -- Romney for praising unions and saying that just cutting spending slows the economy, Santorum for being Santorum, or Newt's sugar daddy for threatening to give him $100 million to keep Newt in the race.

Nah, I think the calculus is better for Obama if Gingrich fades allowing Santorum to surge further.

244 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:01:06pm

re: #236 darthstar

Okay...that explains the internet silence on it...though I'd love to see it completely ignored for once...wouldn't that be fun? Watching Romney and Gingrich and Santorum trying not to look devastated that nobody gave a crap what they had to say...

What if there was a GOP debate and nobody gave a shit?

/

245 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:01:53pm

re: #215 goddamnedfrank

Haha Hahahaha Hahahahahahaha ... (gasp) HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!:

Carpenters! Of course! Praaaaisee Jeeesus!/

246 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:01:58pm

re: #235 Lidane

And in more news, the Obama campaign is flummoxed, trying to decide who to send fruit baskets to first -- Romney for praising unions and saying that just cutting spending slows the economy, Santorum for being Santorum, or Newt's sugar daddy for threatening to give him $100 million to keep Newt in the race.

Actually the last one not so much, Maddow did a piece on how, the only chance Romney has at this point is Newt staying in the race. If it wasn't for Newt's sugar daddy, Santorum would be in a much MUCH stronger position.

(In Republican Primary at least)

247 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:03:34pm

re: #238 Targetpractice

At this point, even I'm beginning to wonder if Obama sold his soul to have these dumbasses running against him.

Blessed with the dumbest fucking enemies on the planet.

I don't know if he sold his soul or just a few years off his life, given how the office of the Presidency ages people. Either way, he's exceedingly lucky that the GOP primary has been so awful.

248 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:04:48pm

re: #139 Kragar

Playing ST:OTR and just saw an Imperial Guild called "The Tauntaun Macoute"

I really don't know how to react to that.

Appropriate for an Imperial guild.

249 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:04:51pm

re: #247 Lidane

They are the political equivalent of the Destroyer I posted from Cracked about.

250 freetoken  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:05:27pm

re: #227 HappyWarrior

In 1952, it looked like the GOP could have really declined or fell off especially if they had chosen a paleocon like Robert A. Taft as their nominee. They chose a moderate, Dwight Eisenhower and the Republicans adapted to the reality of the post New Deal/WWII world. I think what needs to be done here is an Eisenhower moment. [...]

As Frum pointed out in his latest essay on a possible GOP "brokered" convention, the "they" who selected Ike were not the rank and file Republicans but the state party machine brokers (usually governors, or maybe heads of assemblies), who were able to think strategically rather than emotionally.

And, as Frum further pointed out, political parties these days don't work that way.

251 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:06:48pm

re: #222 ProGunLiberal

I think he just shot shat himself politically, considering the way Republicans are now.

Fixed.

252 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:08:11pm

re: #250 freetoken

As Frum pointed out in his latest essay on a possible GOP "brokered" convention, the "they" who selected Ike were not the rank and file Republicans but the state party machine brokers (usually governors, or maybe heads of assemblies), who were able to think strategically rather than emotionally.

And, as Frum further pointed out, political parties these days don't work that way.

Yeah Dewey was a huge Ike backer. It's funny as late of '52 that the Republicans had such a large isolationist wing. Ron Paul has expressed admiration for Taft on numerous occasions, hardly a shock.

253 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:09:14pm

"I'm from the Government, and this wand's a little cold."
-- Jon Stewart's take on Ronald Reagan's "nine scariest words".

254 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:10:17pm

Is it just me, or does on the photo above Arpaio look like David Irving?

Image: David%20Irving.jpg

255 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:10:22pm
256 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:10:52pm

re: #250 freetoken

And, as Frum further pointed out, political parties these days don't work that way.

They really don't.

These days, the party conventions are a formality as far as picking the candidate. They're just a big infomercial for whoever is running and whoever the party wants to spotlight as current and future stars. It's supposed to be glossy and organized and a giant pep rally. There's no real precedent for a modern brokered convention.

It would be a nightmare scenario for the RNC. They want to avoid that at all costs.

257 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:11:00pm

re: #239 freetoken

The JBS-esque fear of "Agenda 21" is brewing in the Tea Paryting cauldrons... and doesn't seem to be abating.

A simple Google search for news items on it from the last 24 hours gives several examples:

[Link: www.google.com...]

For example this:

Jesse Helms' nephew continues family's anti-civil rights legacy in North Carolina

This anti-"Agenda 21" fervor brews in the usual community of neo-confederates and throwbacks... which have not gone away quietly.

Describing Jesse Helms as "pro-segregationist and gay-rights opponent", doesn't even begin to touch upon the depth of racist, bigoted rhetoric that ran through the veins of that man.

258 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:11:08pm

re: #239 freetoken

The JBS-esque fear of "Agenda 21" is brewing in the Tea Paryting cauldrons... and doesn't seem to be abating.

A simple Google search for news items on it from the last 24 hours gives several examples:

[Link: www.google.com...]

For example this:

Jesse Helms' nephew continues family's anti-civil rights legacy in North Carolina

This anti-"Agenda 21" fervor brews in the usual community of neo-confederates and throwbacks... which have not gone away quietly.

Uncle Jesse would be proud.

259 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:11:42pm

re: #253 jamesfirecat

"I'm from the Government, and this wand's a little cold."
-- Jon Stewart's take on Ronald Reagan's "nine scariest words".

I liked hearing O'Donnell voice his objection the TSA patdowns and how they violate our liberties...

260 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:12:38pm

re: #257 marjoriemoon

Describing Jesse Helms as "pro-segregationist and gay-rights opponent", doesn't even begin to touch upon the depth of racist, bigoted rhetoric that ran through the veins of that man.

I'll never forget reading about what he did to Carol Moseley Braun and how he bragged about it. "I'm gonna whistle Dixie till she cries." This was in 1993. 19 frigging 93, the year I was in first grade and some thirty years after the March on Washington and I Have a Dream Speech. Helms was a nasty bastard of a man.

261 What, me worry?  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:13:30pm

re: #239 freetoken

He does get into a better description at the end, but I think it needs to be right up front.

262 freetoken  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:14:28pm

I expect the Tea Partying crowd to fan the fires of anti-UN, anti-global cooperation, and anti-governance even more as the year goes on. It's their prime bogeyman:


Your View: UN's 'Agenda 21' is a wolf in sheep's clothing

By Linda Rapoza
Linda Rapoza is state committeewoman for 1st Bristol & Plymouth Senate District and president of the 4th Congressional District Chapter, Massachusetts Republican Assembly.

[...]

One of the biggest threats to U.S. sovereignty is the United Nations' Agenda 21. "Smart Growth," one of the more pleasant-sounding euphemisms used to hide its agenda inside a cloaked presentation of environmental sustainability, is just one of the many tentacles of this beast and is being interwoven into our lives like an aggressive cancer.

Its purpose is the creation of "sustainable societies," the U.N.'s blueprint for social equity through an assault on private property via environmental and economic regulations. As with everything championed by globalists, sustainable living initiatives sound good on the surface, but the ulterior motives comport with the U.N.'s vision of a one-world government controlling your life, your children's lives, and on into perpetuity, all controlled by a select few.

[...]

263 freetoken  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:15:06pm

Beware the evils of "sustainability".

264 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:15:22pm

re: #255 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

Apparently, I saw that the rebels are now bribing some portions of the Syrian Military.

We now have a very, very easy out. Here's one guy's summary.

What you see here is a crack. It is a crack in the military foundation of the power of Syria's regime. The crack is money-shaped. We (the West) have a wedge shaped like that. (It's called "shitloads of money.") Were I in a position of power in a major Western power, that's where I would aim my next blow.

Also, I bought 2 more TSwift Albums tonight. In a similarity to some Queen Albums I have, one is a near complete repeat of the other.

265 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:15:40pm

re: #245 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

I want you to go back to being a Representative of the Bank of Nikolai. I liked that one. LOL

266 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:15:53pm

re: #253 jamesfirecat

"I'm from the Government, and this wand's a little cold."
-- Jon Stewart's take on Ronald Reagan's "nine scariest words".

I somewhat wish Jon Stewart could be taken to Heaven and given a chance to actually interview Ronald Reagan; with the talents for jokes posessed by those two, the resulting segment would be laugh-out-loud hysterical.

267 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:16:41pm

re: #265 CuriousLurker

I want you to go back to being a Representative of the Bank of Nikolai. I liked that one. LOL

Sorry, Peggy on vacation, call in 2 or 3 weeks! //

268 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:17:04pm

re: #265 CuriousLurker

I've given up on him having a consistent name at this point.

I am listening to "Sparks Fly." I is a happy camper.

All I need now is Fearless:Platinum Edition, and I will have everything.

269 Mich-again  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:17:50pm

Here is the winning scenario for a GOP candidate in 2016, seeing as 2012 is already in the bag for Obama and the Dems. Let the other 8 or so formula candidates and retreads fight over the Tea Party and the SoCon vote. The winning candidate will be the Marilyn Munster in the crowd who distances their campaign from the far right and publicly states they want nothing to do with the ignorance and radicalism. The GOP had zero candidates this cycle who chose this tack. I thought perhaps Jon Huntsman would go that route but even he tried to cozy up to them and of course he failed.

Otherwise, Hillary can start writing her Inauguration speech for 2016 right now.

270 freetoken  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:21:07pm

I wonder if Santorum (or Gingrich) will mention "Agenda 21" in tomorrow's "debate." I think Santorum has mentioned it before (or was it Gov. Goodhair?)

Certainly the 4 will try to out wing-nut each other. I just wonder where they'll take their "debate".

271 Irving  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:21:33pm

re: #247 Lidane

Blessed with the dumbest fucking enemies on the planet.

I don't know if he sold his soul or just a few years off his life, given how the office of the Presidency ages people. Either way, he's exceedingly lucky that the GOP primary has been so awful.

I don't know how much luck has to do with it. Obama plays the political game hard and rough; the smart Republicans sat this one out. Remember, this is the man who utterly obliterated any chance Donald Trump would serve in a political office in just one night - utterly humiliated the man in public at the very same time that Seal Team Six was killing Osama bin Laden on his orders. His ground game is stunning, and the SuperPAC system has some very deep weaknesses that are becoming more and more apparent. I really do think that Obama is good hardball politician that scared the "big guns" of the Republican Party away.

272 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:22:07pm

re: #269 Mich-again

Schweitzer or Cuomo would be good too.

273 erik_t  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:24:39pm

re: #271 Irving

I don't know how much luck has to do with it. Obama plays the political game hard and rough; the smart Republicans sat this one out. Remember, this is the man who utterly obliterated any chance Donald Trump would serve in a political office in just one night - utterly humiliated the man in public at the very same time that Seal Team Six was killing Osama bin Laden on his orders. His ground game is stunning, and the SuperPAC system has some very deep weaknesses that are becoming more and more apparent. I really do think that Obama is good hardball politician that scared the "big guns" of the Republican Party away.

I agree, but: I would be hard-pressed to name a 'big gun' in the current Republican Party.

I mean, the best you can offer is Bush's big budget man and a 400lb bully? Really?

274 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:27:22pm

Mosaic of Rick Santorum, made of entirely of gay porn. (May be NSFW, depending on where you work.)

Image: original.jpg

275 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:27:56pm

re: #274 reuven

Who wants to send this to Santorum?

276 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:29:21pm

re: #273 erik_t

I agree, but: I would be hard-pressed to name a 'big gun' in the current Republican Party.

I mean, the best you can offer is Bush's big budget man and a 400lb bully? Really?

Yeah not really impressed with any of them. The one I liked most was Huntsman but he was polling worse than Bachmann so that tells alot about what the party's current values are.

277 austin_blue  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:34:24pm

Joe Arpaio makes me swoon with ecstasy!

278 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:34:39pm

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Yeah not really impressed with any of them. The one I liked most was Huntsman but he was polling worse than Bachmann so that tells alot about what the party's current values are.

Huntsman never had a chance of being taken seriously. Especially not when he was out on stage, talking in reasoned tones while the people he shared the stage with were screaming "OBAMA BAD!"

279 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:37:45pm

re: #277 Joe Arpaio- A Man Among Boys

Joe Arpaio makes me swoon with ecstasy!

I know, right?

280 Mich-again  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:38:35pm

Ryan C. Crocker would make an interesting candidate. I'd take him over anyone running for the GOP nomination now before ever hearing a single speech.

281 erik_t  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:39:37pm

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Yeah not really impressed with any of them. The one I liked most was Huntsman but he was polling worse than Bachmann so that tells alot about what the party's current values are.

Yeah, not really a fan of the whole nuke-the-EPA theory. But he's an adult, I'll give him that.

282 Mich-again  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:42:09pm

I like to remind my right wing friends and family that Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan would both be considered far too liberal for the modern GOP. Its an easy case to make and it does make them pause a bit at least.

283 erik_t  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:43:00pm

re: #282 Mich-again

Anyone who's left is frankly not listening.

284 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:43:17pm

re: #281 erik_t

Yeah, not really a fan of the whole nuke-the-EPA theory. But he's an adult, I'll give him that.

It's a crazy world where a guy who talks like that is seen as a moderate in his party. Don't get me wrong. Obama > Huntsman but I appreciated Huntsman for simply being an adult.

285 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:43:20pm

Rick Santorum defends Satan comments

Rick Santorum said Tuesday that he will “defend everything I’m saying” as 2008 comments he made about Satan having his “sights on” the United States drew renewed fire.

Santorum told roughly 200 supporters at a rally here that when candidates veer from “very structured, very ordered events,” voters believe they have to “worry about everything he says.”

“No, you don’t, because I’ll defend everything I’ll say,” Santorum told the applauding crowd, pledging to “tell you the truth about what’s going on in this country.”

Santorum didn’t specifically mention the four-year-old speech from Ave Maria University in Florida, from which the Satan comments came or a number of other statements on the campaign trail that have raised eyebrows in recent days, including remarks that some say called into question President Barack Obama’s Christian faith. Questions have also arisen over comments Santorum made that appeared to compare the Obama presidency to the rise of Nazism before World War II and remarks about prenatal testing.

Asked about the Ave Maria speech by reporters following the Phoenix rally, Santorum called the question “a joke” and “absurd.”

“You know… I’m a person of faith. I believe in good and evil. I think if somehow or another because you’re a person of faith you believe in good and evil is a disqualifier for president we’re going to have a very small pool of candidates who can run for president,” Santorum said.

286 Digital Display  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:43:22pm

re: #278 Targetpractice

Huntsman never had a chance of being taken seriously. Especially not when he was out on stage, talking in reasoned tones while the people he shared the stage with were screaming "OBAMA BAD!"

Huntsman to me always came off as a CEO type..But he lacked political leadership...and personality.
If he was a college prof you'd likely sleep during class

287 erik_t  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:44:01pm

re: #286 HoosierHoops

Huntsman to me always came off as a CEO type..But he lacked political leadership...and personality.
If he was a college prof you'd likely sleep during class

There's another type of college prof?

/

288 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:44:59pm

re: #281 erik_t

Yeah, not really a fan of the whole nuke-the-EPA theory. But he's an adult, I'll give him that.

Of course he was against the EPA.

It's Huntsman Chemical Corporation.

You didn't know this?

289 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:45:12pm

re: #287 erik_t

There's another type of college prof?

/

Easy, the guy who taught the theater portion of my Irish film and lit class in Galway. That dude was a thrill to watch.

290 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:45:21pm

re: #286 HoosierHoops

Huntsman to me always came off as a CEO type..But he lacked political leadership...and personality.
If he was a college prof you'd likely sleep during class

He pretty much treated debates like lecture halls, using his time to actually lay down some reason and facts while his fellow candidates used two seconds to basically sideline the question asked them to either attack each other or just thrash the invisible effigy of Obama.

291 Girth  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:45:53pm

re: #286 HoosierHoops

Huntsman to me always came off as a CEO type..But he lacked political leadership...and personality.
If he was a college prof you'd likely sleep during class

I liked the music references. Anybody who talks in terms of music is a good egg in my book.

292 freetoken  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:46:01pm

re: #285 Kragar


Dude... you beat me by 60 seconds...

I'll add this part of the story:

In Phoenix, Santorum stuck to his traditional stump speech — embracing the values of “small-town America” and promoting the rebirth of U.S. manufacturing — but he seemed miffed about the reaction to the use of terms like good and evil from his 2008 speech.

This is really getting to the heart of a major problem the atavists have - accepting reality.

Phoenix is not a "small town" - it's a good sized city and an especially sprawling urban conglomeration. And it needs to be governed like a major city, not a small town.

The Tea Partiers really are reality challenged.

293 erik_t  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:46:40pm

re: #288 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Of course he was against the EPA.

It's Huntsman Chemical Corporation.

You didn't know this?

Oh, I knew. I'm just saying I don't really agree with that line of craziness, rational (if vaguely sociopathic) reasons though he may have.

294 erik_t  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:46:59pm

re: #292 freetoken

This is really getting to the heart of a major problem the atavists have - accepting reality.

Phoenix is not a "small town" - it's a good sized city and an especially sprawling urban conglomeration. And it needs to be governed like a major city, not a small town.

The Tea Partiers really are reality challenged.

Fifth biggest in the nation, if I recall.

295 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:47:21pm

re: #292 freetoken

Dude... you beat me by 60 seconds...

I'll add this part of the story:

This is really getting to the heart of a major problem the atavists have - accepting reality.

Phoenix is not a "small town" - it's a good sized city and an especially sprawling urban conglomeration. And it needs to be governed like a major city, not a small town.

The Tea Partiers really are reality challenged.

What caught my eye was this:

"we’re going to have a very small pool of candidates who can run for president,”

GOOD! Way too many complete nutjobs in the running as it is.

296 freetoken  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:49:04pm

Michigan voter remains torn between Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum

Feleiteau Epley, a devout Roman Catholic from this Detroit suburb, was already sold on Rick Santorum when she walked into a Mitt Romney town hall here on Tuesday, merely curious to see another GOP candidate. After hearing his pitch, moved by Romney's gravitas, Epley said she decided to support the former Massachusetts governor in Tuesday's critical primary. But moments after the town hall ended, she changed her mind once more.

"Now, I'm undecided again," said the 58-year-old. "I've got to pray about it and talk to my pastor."

[...]

Because our Mullahs need to tell us what God's will is.

297 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:49:34pm

re: #286 HoosierHoops

If he was a college prof you'd likely sleep during class

He's the college prof you debate music with over beer. I could see Huntsman having a strong opinion on the matter of Gabriel-era Genesis vs. Collins-era Genesis.

298 Mich-again  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:49:41pm

Just like the original Tea Partiers who tried to disguise themselves as Native Americans to elude detection while they dumped tea into Boston Harbor, the modern Tea partiers are cowards who will retreat when confronted and pretend they didn't really mean it.

299 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:49:53pm

re: #296 freetoken

Michigan voter remains torn between Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum

Because our Mullahs need to tell us what God's will is.

Maybe dance with a few snakes, speak in tongues for a while

300 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:50:43pm

To go back to the original topic, if Arpaio came out and said it was all hooey and that Obama was born in Hawaii, it wouldn't matter.

There is no proof that a birther will accept. They want the long form to be a fake, therefore it is a fake.

301 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:51:05pm

re: #292 freetoken

Dude... you beat me by 60 seconds...

I'll add this part of the story:

This is really getting to the heart of a major problem the atavists have - accepting reality.

Phoenix is not a "small town" - it's a good sized city and an especially sprawling urban conglomeration. And it needs to be governed like a major city, not a small town.

The Tea Partiers really are reality challenged.

The Tea Party idolizes the small town, because it's the kinda place their ideology finds fertile ground in. Fewer people from diverse backgrounds, more likely to have their nose in the business of others and unafraid to voice their disapproval of the lifestyle of others. But most importantly, the kinda folks who think that they're "self-sufficient" and thus don't need no "big government" there to help them. Except for the welfare checks...and the Social Security checks...the Medicare checks...farm subsidies...etc.

302 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:51:45pm

re: #294 erik_t

And yet, nothing of value. Unlike Denver.

303 Mich-again  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:54:14pm

I am one of those Michigan registered GOP voters. I could care less who wins the primary because there is zero chance of any Republican winning this State in the General election. I'm thinking of writing in Pedro from Napoleon Dynamite. Its that bad.

304 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:54:33pm

re: #301 Targetpractice

The Tea Party idolizes the small town, because it's the kinda place their ideology finds fertile ground in. Fewer people from diverse backgrounds, more likely to have their nose in the business of others and unafraid to voice their disapproval of the lifestyle of others. But most importantly, the kinda folks who think that they're "self-sufficient" and thus don't need no "big government" there to help them. Except for the welfare checks...and the Social Security checks...the Medicare checks...farm subsidies...etc.

Small towns, like the ones in Deliverance or Straw Dogs...

305 erik_t  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:54:52pm

re: #302 ProGunLiberal

And yet, nothing of value. Unlike Denver.

Well, you know, aside from a major airline, a major bank, a major research university, oversight of major agriculture and major mining, and major aerospace, yeah they don't contribute very much.

306 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:55:49pm

re: #305 erik_t

Well, you know, aside from a major airline, a major bank, a major research university, oversight of major agriculture and major mining, and major aerospace, yeah they don't contribute very much.

And what have the Romans ever done for us...

307 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:56:00pm

re: #300 To hold my temper, most of the time.

To go back to the original topic, if Arpaio came out and said it was all hooey and that Obama was born in Hawaii, it wouldn't matter.

There is no proof that a birther will accept. They want the long form to be a fake, therefore it is a fake.

My hunch is that he will largely confirm the BC but will leave the door slightly ajar with various "buts".

308 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:56:59pm

re: #304 Kragar

Small towns, like the ones in Deliverance or Straw Dogs...

Or the one that my sister lives in, in which the worst thing that happened is that a girl just gave up a full-ride softball scholarship to become an 18 year old mother.

I consider this a bad thing. Do you?

(There are probably more unreported bad things involving trucks, dynamite, and beer, but they are, alas, unreported.)

309 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:57:36pm

re: #307 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

My hunch is that he will largely confirm the BC but will leave the door slightly ajar with various "buts".

I think he'll stretch the investigation for as long as he can get away with asking for donations to assist him.

310 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:57:49pm

re: #305 erik_t

Denver does the same.

And yet, Denver doesn't have an Arpaio.

311 freetoken  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:58:05pm

re: #305 erik_t

And... the greater Phoenix conurbation represents one of the classic "sprawls" in the American landscape. Even more so than here in SoCal, an automobile is required to simply live there. I know (I snow-birded in Scottsdale for a time).

The street intersections there are so large I used to joke that the Japanese could fit an entire town into one of the intersections in Scottsdale.

312 Mich-again  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:58:19pm

re: #300 To hold my temper, most of the time.

To go back to the original topic, if Arpaio came out and said it was all hooey and that Obama was born in Hawaii, it wouldn't matter.

There is no proof that a birther will accept. They want the long form to be a fake, therefore it is a fake.

True. To a conspiracy theorist, any facts that refute the theory are just more evidence of how far the other side will go to conceal the truth.

313 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:59:13pm

re: #310 ProGunLiberal

Denver does the same.

And yet, Denver doesn't have an Arpaio.

WRONG!
Judith Sever Arpaio RN practices nursing (rn) in Denver, Colorado.

I win the internet.

314 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 8:59:22pm

re: #311 freetoken

It's a city with no culture, just sprawl.

315 erik_t  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:00:31pm

re: #310 ProGunLiberal

Denver does the same.

And yet, Denver doesn't have an Arpaio.

I never said that Denver had nothing of value, so feel free to blow smoke.

316 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:00:45pm

re: #314 ProGunLiberal

It's a city with no culture, just sprawl.

And now I have this song in my head:

317 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:00:47pm

re: #313 Kragar

I meant an Arpaio in the meaning of a flamboyantly racist and ignorant Sheriff.

And there is a good chance my mom does transcription for her. :P

318 erik_t  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:02:00pm

re: #311 freetoken

And... the greater Phoenix conurbation represents one of the classic "sprawls" in the American landscape. Even more so than here in SoCal, an automobile is required to simply live there. I know (I snow-birded in Scottsdale for a time).

The street intersections there are so large I used to joke that the Japanese could fit an entire town into one of the intersections in Scottsdale.

Oh, it's quite sprawl-y indeed. The public transit is far better than you give it credit for, at least in the denser parts of Phoenix/South Scottsdale/West Mesa/etc. but it's no New York or Chicago.

319 freetoken  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:02:59pm

I just realized that if the "debate" structure stays true to form, and the 2 central candidates on the stage will be the two nominal "leaders" amongst the polls/results, that Newtie won't be in the middle anymore but once again relegated to the outside (with Paul, probably on the other side.)

I wonder how his ego will handle that? How will Newtie try to steal the discussion?

320 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:03:18pm

re: #315 erik_t

I'm a fan of Denver, so I like firing at Phoenix.

Also, when I think of Phoenix, I think of the guy who decided to throw a close friend away like a piece of trash.

321 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:05:58pm

re: #320 ProGunLiberal

I'm a fan of Denver, so I like firing at Phoenix.

Also, when I think of Phoenix, I think of the guy who decided to throw a close friend away like a piece of trash.

So this is personal?

322 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:07:19pm

Denver and Phoenix both suck ... 805 represent!

323 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:07:57pm

re: #319 freetoken

I just realized that if the "debate" structure stays true to form, and the 2 central candidates on the stage will be the two nominal "leaders" amongst the polls/results, that Newtie won't be in the middle anymore but once again relegated to the outside (with Paul, probably on the other side.)

I wonder how his ego will handle that? How will Newtie try to steal the discussion?

Wait, isn't John King moderating this again?

324 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:08:37pm

Neither Phoenix nor Denver is as cool as Portland.

I could tell you about all the cool stuff here, but you wouldn't have heard of it.

325 Mich-again  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:09:19pm

It makes no sense to live in a highly populated city in the middle of the desert and gripe about Government intervention in the free market. ha. Like there would even be a city of Phoenix without the Federal government.

326 erik_t  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:09:21pm

re: #324 To hold my temper, most of the time.

I've from the Willamette Valley, I've probably heard of it ;)

327 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:09:46pm

re: #321 To hold my temper, most of the time.

To a point, but I honestly think Denver is a better city, the personal issues aside.

re: #322 goddamnedfrank

How does it feel to be in Chicago's shadow. :P

328 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:10:36pm

re: #324 To hold my temper, most of the time.

I've heard Portland is pretty awesome, and to be honest, I can believe that it is better than Denver.

329 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:10:37pm

We New Yawkers think it's cute when you little towns, villages, and hamlets get into pissing matches with each other.

And that's why you all hate us, so it's all good.

330 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:10:49pm

re: #326 erik_t

I've from the Willamette Valley, I've probably heard of it ;)

I can even pronounce Willamette correctly.

Where, exactly? I doubt your town is so small it would identify you.

331 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:13:18pm

re: #329 The Most Interesting Man in My World

I always thought NYC had a right to be a bit arrogant. They are one of the Big 4 Alpha Cities.

All other cities in the US pale in comparison to NYC, only Chicago approaches it.

This song catches all of it.

332 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:13:32pm

re: #328 ProGunLiberal

I've heard Portland is pretty awesome, and to be honest, I can believe that it is better than Denver.

I wouldn't know; I've never been to Denver.

Downtown Portland (the section known as "The Pearl District") is so marinated in hipster vibe it's silly.

333 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:15:00pm

re: #331 ProGunLiberal

To use a video game analogy, New York City is Sephiroth.

Indisputably the best.

334 Digital Display  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:15:27pm

re: #329 The Most Interesting Man in My World

We New Yawkers think it's cute when you little towns, villages, and hamlets get into pissing matches with each other.

And that's why you all hate us, so it's all good.

I think San Fran is the most beautiful city in America
NY as the most exciting
Montreal is the most fun and just plain effen cool..It's like Paris..
San Diego as a dream life style town.

335 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:16:51pm

re: #333 ProGunLiberal

To use a video game analogy, New York City is Sephiroth.

Indisputably the best.

And evil to the bone?

//

336 palomino  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:17:27pm

Are there any prominent Republicans willing to stand up and denounce this kind of garbage? (Just a simple statement, like "He was born in the US, and is a real Christian, not a secret Muslim.") I guess not. The GOP is starting to resemble a church more than a political party.

337 freetoken  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:17:31pm

re: #328 ProGunLiberal

I've heard Portland is pretty awesome, ...

You could get some verification/falsification from KT about that.

I've not been there, but Portland is hyped quite a bit by idealists, probably because for a not-too-big city Portland does have an operational rail station, and there are lots of sustainability/urban agriculture types (and no, not all of them grow weed.)

338 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:18:10pm

re: #334 HoosierHoops

We got so many millionaire cities in the US, anyone can find the perfect city.

I'm not sure for me yet. I prefer Seattle, Portland, Denver, Chicago, Detroit, and Pittsburgh (Dad's side comes from Detroit, Mom's from Pittsburgh).

339 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:18:31pm

re: #334 HoosierHoops

I think San Fran is the most beautiful city in America
NY as the most exciting
Montreal is the most fun and just plain effen cool..It's like Paris..
San Diego as a dream life style town.

Hard to argue with any of that. Every city has it's own groove. I like Philly, too.

340 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:18:52pm

re: #338 ProGunLiberal

We got so many millionaire cities in the US, anyone can find the perfect city.

I'm not sure for me yet. I prefer Seattle, Portland, Denver, Chicago, Detroit, and Pittsburgh (Dad's side comes from Detroit, Mom's from Pittsburgh).

To live in Seattle or Portland, you must not miss the sunshine.

I know people who live here because they really don't like heat.

341 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:19:27pm

re: #335 Targetpractice

Well, certainly the mob is.

However, I liked Crisis Core, and Sephiroth was a nice guy in it. Of course, it also showed how he became so evil.

342 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:19:34pm

re: #336 palomino

Are there any prominent Republicans willing to stand up and denounce this kind of garbage? (Just a simple statement, like "He was born in the US, and is a real Christian, not a secret Muslim.") I guess not. The GOP is starting to resemble a church more than a political party.

The Church of Reagan?

343 erik_t  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:19:49pm

re: #330 To hold my temper, most of the time.

I can even pronounce Willamette correctly.

Where, exactly? I doubt your town is so small it would identify you.

Sorry, I'm paranoid and I've said enough already.

On that note, good night everyone.

344 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:21:26pm

re: #340 To hold my temper, most of the time.

I'm pale white and have major problems with temperature regulation. I will go from freezing one minute to feeling overly warm in the next.

Those two cities (I think?) would take care of me, in a climate sense, with moderation

345 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:22:10pm

re: #343 erik_t

Sorry, I'm paranoid and I've said enough already.

Okay, but now I'll drop random comments about West Salem and Wilsonville to see if I can catch you off guard.

(West Salem MS was one of the cadet competitors at the most recent show.)

346 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:22:22pm

re: #330 To hold my temper, most of the time.

I can even pronounce Willamette correctly.

Where, exactly? I doubt your town is so small it would identify you.

when i first moved out to orygun from th' east i pronounced it 'ora-gone'

they used to tell me "ain't gone no whar"

347 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:22:48pm

re: #346 engineer cat

when i first moved out to orygun from th' east i pronounced it 'ora-gone'

they used to tell me "ain't gone no whar"

When you can say "Sequim" correctly, you're now one of us.

348 Digital Display  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:23:17pm

re: #339 The Most Interesting Man in My World

Hard to argue with any of that. Every city has it's own groove. I like Philly, too.

I liked Philly also..( well I did get robbed there ) But I was working for the Navy when they sent a bunch of us to close the shipyard. The workers were pretty pissed off and would not work.. I spent about 4 months there. Tough crowd..But we dealt with it

349 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:24:28pm

re: #347 To hold my temper, most of the time.

When you can say "Sequim" correctly, you're now one of us.

waal a person could either skink or sequim yanno

350 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:24:29pm

Romneybot slipped, told the truth, and Grover Norquist's head exploded:

Romney: Spending cuts slow economic growth

That sort of comment was sure to raise the eyebrows of fiscal conservatives in the GOP, who have long preached a message of fiscal restraint as a path to economic growth.

"It's hogwash. It confirms yet again that Romney is not a limited government conservative," said Andy Roth, the vice president for government affairs at the fiscally conservative Club for Growth. "The idea that balancing the budget would not help the economy is crazy. If we balanced the budget tomorrow on spending cuts alone, it would be fantastic for the economy."

351 palomino  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:25:21pm

re: #342 Targetpractice

The Church of Reagan?

Ironically Reagan wasn't even that religious.

It just seems like Santorum talks constantly about religion, and Mitt and Newt aren't far behind. As recently as 2008, it was nowhere near this bad. There's an ongoing battle to prove who loves Jesus the most; it's absurd.

352 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:26:00pm

Romney: Spending cuts slow economic growth

s'a desperate cry for help is what it is

would you wanna be th' nominee of that party?

353 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:26:13pm

re: #349 engineer cat

waal a person could either skink or sequim yanno

Clever, very clever.

354 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:26:32pm
355 palomino  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:28:12pm

re: #352 engineer cat

Romney: Spending cuts slow economic growth

s'a desperate cry for help is what it is

would you wanna be th' nominee of that party?

Yeah, that statement was definitely a technical malfunction. He's being returned to the laboratory tonight, for some minor wiring and circuitry adjustments.

356 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:29:22pm

re: #351 palomino

Ironically Reagan wasn't even that religious.

It just seems like Santorum talks constantly about religion, and Mitt and Newt aren't far behind. As recently as 2008, it was nowhere near this bad. There's an ongoing battle to prove who loves Jesus the most; it's absurd.

It's something they've been building to for awhile now. In '04, there was much hooey made about Kerry not being all that religious. And in '08, we got told that Obama was either A) Not a Christian or B) the wrong kind of Christian (i.e. belonging to a "radical" church). That this artificial litmus test has gotten this bad should really be a surprise to nobody.

357 prairiefire  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:30:28pm

re: #356 Targetpractice

It's the bone rattling fringe of the right.

358 Mich-again  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:31:06pm

I would leave it all behind and move to Manhattan at the drop of a hat. I love it there, it is the coolest place in the US. Having spent time in all three cities I would say Chicago compares to Manhattan about like Detroit compares to Chicago. At least an order of magnitude difference.

359 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:31:32pm

re: #357 prairiefire

It's the bone rattling fringe of the right.

Calling them a "fringe" anymore is pretty much a half-truth. They were the fringe, but that was before the GOP handed them the keys to the asylum, under the delusion that they could control them after the '10 elections were over.

360 freetoken  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:32:20pm

re: #350 Lidane

If we balanced the budget tomorrow on spending cuts alone, it would be fantastic for the economy."

That's as much religious dogma as Santorum's statement about Satan.

361 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:34:17pm

re: #360 freetoken

That's as much religious dogma as Santorum's statement about Satan.

And about as believable too. Ask Britain the wonders that austerity is doing for their economy.

362 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:35:15pm

re: #359 Targetpractice

Calling them a "fringe" anymore is pretty much a half-truth. They were the fringe, but that was before the GOP handed them the keys to the asylum, under the delusion that they could control them after the '10 elections were over.

who let the dogmas out?

363 palomino  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:36:44pm

re: #356 Targetpractice

It's something they've been building to for awhile now. In '04, there was much hooey made about Kerry not being all that religious. And in '08, we got told that Obama was either A) Not a Christian or B) the wrong kind of Christian (i.e. belonging to a "radical" church). That this artificial litmus test has gotten this bad should really be a surprise to nobody.

Back in 1976, Jimmy Carter actually got a majority of the evangelical vote. (It helped that he was a southerner and an evangelical, albeit a liberal one.) Since then, the gop has been steadily increasing its share of evangelicals. Now it's over 80% I think. And Santorum, though Catholic, is taking the rhetoric to new extremes. "We need a Jesus candidate." "Obama ignores the Bible in his poltical agenda." The last candidate this overtly religious was probably Pat Robertson. W was downright secular by comparison. Bad juju in the GOP.

364 Mich-again  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:38:10pm

re: #350 Lidane The problem with that theory is that if you did somehow find a way to balance the budget tomorrow, it would mean millions of people would be tossed out of work and their loans would default and they would be on unemployment insurance and then all of a sudden the budget wouldn't be balanced anymore and it would result in a race to the bottom for spending.

365 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:41:52pm
366 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:41:59pm

re: #364 Mich-again

The problem with that theory is that if you did somehow find a way to balance the budget tomorrow, it would mean millions of people would be tossed out of work and their loans would default and they would be on unemployment insurance and then all of a sudden the budget wouldn't be balanced anymore and it would result in a race to the bottom for spending.

Their theory is predicated on the belief that they can't allow tax increases in balancing the budget, because then politicians would just raise taxes in order to cover new spending, meaning taxes would just keep going up. Not only is this a laugh when their cut-only plan is sold on the "spend only what you can afford" bit, but because they always sell their "balanced budgets" alongside tax cuts by claiming that the cuts will either be "revenue neutral" or even raise more money through "increased revenue."

367 freetoken  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:43:20pm

re: #361 Targetpractice

The writer of that piece did a poor job, too. Really didn't grasp the whole point of budgets and why governments want to balance them, or why governments borrow money.

What a balanced budget will do for a nation is to help that nation command a lower interest rate on borrowed money. However, there is no reason for a nation to avoid borrowing money per se. The idea is that any nation that is growing (and that is at its base related to population growth), such as the US has been for many decades, is a good credit risk as long as that nation demonstrates that it will make its debt payments (as the US has always done.)

Only nations in decline, such as Japan, Russia, Italy, etc. have the fundamental problem of not having enough workers to generate the GDP to pay off debt. The US doesn't have that problem.

The US has a tax policy problem - taxes are too low for the expectations we have for and from our society.

368 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:45:01pm

re: #365 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Image: 20120221-lorax2.jpg

Image: 20120221-lorax1.jpg

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Wut, again?

369 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:45:26pm

re: #365 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Image: 20120221-lorax2.jpg

Image: 20120221-lorax1.jpg

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Remember when the worst "outrage" over a movie was the idea that a movie named The Two Towers was "insensitive"? Or that the movie poster for Cloverfield was likewise "insensitive" because it shows the Statue of Liberty missing it's head?

370 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:47:51pm

re: #365 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

And TSwift is a voice of a big character in the movie!

As a somewhat fantasy-minded tree-hugger.

371 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:49:14pm

re: #367 freetoken

The writer of that piece did a poor job, too. Really didn't grasp the whole point of budgets and why governments want to balance them, or why governments borrow money.

What a balanced budget will do for a nation is to help that nation command a lower interest rate on borrowed money. However, there is no reason for a nation to avoid borrowing money per se. The idea is that any nation that is growing (and that is at its base related to population growth), such as the US has been for many decades, is a good credit risk as long as that nation demonstrates that it will make its debt payments (as the US has always done.)

Only nations in decline, such as Japan, Russia, Italy, etc. have the fundamental problem of not having enough workers to generate the GDP to pay off debt. The US doesn't have that problem.

The US has a tax policy problem - taxes are too low for the expectations we have for and from our society.

We have a robber baron problem that results in a tax policy problem

372 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:52:54pm

So Varek, speaking of STO from way earlier, how far along are ya in rank?

373 prairiefire  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:53:18pm

re: #362 engineer cat

Didn't you use to be a dog?

374 freetoken  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:53:30pm

re: #371 windupbird is in the gravity well

We have a robber baron problem that results in a tax policy problem

We Americans have a problem on the whole, of not owning up to the idea that our beliefs about what we as a nation ought to do need to be paid, somehow.

GWB goes flinging the military into two theaters spending trillions of dollars... without even coming up with a payment method.

That's just one, particularly large, example.

375 Mich-again  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:55:06pm

re: #366 Targetpractice
I read through Ron Paul's economic plan just to see WTF he had to say. It was laughable, He was going to eliminate 5 entire Government Departments in 2013, yet there was nothing in his budget to reflect higher unemployment benefits or higher retirement plan costs the next year and also no reduction in income tax revenues. Like all those people whose jobs were eliminated just disappeared. Same with his plan to close all the Military bases overseas, none of the newly unemployed soldiers required any unemployment, pension, or 401(k) funds. Ron Paul needs you to be too stupid to ask any tough questions.

376 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:55:50pm

re: #365 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Image: 20120221-lorax2.jpg

Image: 20120221-lorax1.jpg

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This reminds me of an old, old Daily Show segment with Matt Walsh about a timber industry's exec attempt to counteract the Lorax's message of environmetnalism. I mean really Fox this is what you worry about? Oooh we can't criticize industry and big business at all but we can get our panties bunched up over government doing the slightest thing, great message there corporatist douches.

377 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:57:30pm

re: #334 HoosierHoops

There's really only one City in the United States, and that's New York.

378 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:57:42pm

re: #375 Mich-again

I read through Ron Paul's economic plan just to see WTF he had to say. It was laughable, He was going to eliminate 5 entire Government Departments in 2013, yet there was nothing in his budget to reflect higher unemployment benefits or higher retirement plan costs the next year and also no reduction in income tax revenues. Like all those people whose jobs were eliminated just disappeared. Same with his plan to close all the Military bases overseas, none of the newly unemployed soldiers required any unemployment, pension, or 401(k) funds. Ron Paul needs you to be too stupid to ask any tough questions.

Considering that most of his followers seem to be either A) too young to understand most of that or B) too old to give a damn, my guess is that "stupid" is an understatement. I still maintain that most of Paul's support is based upon his promising to end the "War on Drugs" by doing away with federal drug laws, leading his supporters to conclude that pot will automatically be legalized.

379 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:57:48pm

re: #373 prairiefire

Didn't you use to be a dog?

shhh

i'm still pre-op

380 freetoken  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:58:59pm

re: #375 Mich-again

Of course it is fantasy. And, it's a fantasy for a dictatorship.

Those 5 departments don't just exist in the yearly budget. They are established by law, and to get rid of them new laws would have to be passed, which would also have to find a way to deal with the legal obligations (everything from contracts to international treaties) with which those 5 departments are involved.

The throwback-right are just salivating for their demagogic dictator.

381 Kragar  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 9:59:03pm
382 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 10:01:32pm

re: #380 freetoken

Of course it is fantasy. And, it's a fantasy for a dictatorship.

Those 5 departments don't just exist in the yearly budget. They are established by law, and to get rid of them new laws would have to be passed, which would also have to find a way to deal with the legal obligations (everything from contracts to international treaties) with which those 5 departments are involved.

The throwback-right are just salivating for their demagogic dictator.

It's truly a fantasy, because as much as the GOP may demagogue against those departments, they'd never go along with truly doing away with them once word got out of the hundreds thousands, if not millions, of jobs that would be lost at the same time. Not to mention that there's no way the GOP could win 60 solid votes in the Senate, meaning that the Dems would filibuster any such attempt to begin with.

383 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 10:02:07pm

re: #381 Kragar

Um, that's a massive problem.

384 freetoken  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 10:05:28pm

re: #381 Kragar

That's from January. Looking at their website, MSF doesn't mention it in their press releases about Sudan.

385 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 10:06:34pm

Meanwhile, some soft-headed soldiers have created a crisis for us in Afghanistan.

Hundreds of Afghans hold violent protests against the alleged burning of Qurans at the Bagram Airbase north of Kabul.

386 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 10:10:30pm

re: #372 Targetpractice

So Varek, speaking of STO from way earlier, how far along are ya in rank?

Lieutenant 5.

Still messing around, trying to find what class I like.

387 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 10:14:26pm

re: #386 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Lieutenant 5.

Still messing around, trying to find what class I like.

Ah, still a n00b then. Did you go tactical, engineering, or science?

388 Mich-again  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 10:16:45pm

re: #380 freetoken

Of course it is fantasy. And, it's a fantasy for a dictatorship.

Those 5 departments don't just exist in the yearly budget. They are established by law, and to get rid of them new laws would have to be passed, which would also have to find a way to deal with the legal obligations (everything from contracts to international treaties) with which those 5 departments are involved.

The throwback-right are just salivating for their demagogic dictator.

And add to that the assumption that his policies would somehow spur economic activity even though his platform also states he would use his executive power to rewrite Federal regulations and do away with any unwanted previous executive orders, apprarently ignoring the fact that businesses want some stability as far as legal requirements go. He just assumes that his rewriting executive orders nilly willy would have no chilling effect on economic activity. Its a sign of narcissitic personality disorder. Everyone involved would for some reason just go along with a the notion of a crazy man at the controls. He fails to acknowledge that a lack of legal stability would possibly be a detriment to economic growth or even stability for that matter.

389 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 10:16:54pm

re: #387 Targetpractice

Ah, still a n00b then. Did you go tactical, engineering, or science?

Science.

390 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 10:17:01pm

huhwhat?

"What Japan needs most now is a dictator."

Toru Hashimoto, a lawyer and TV celebrity-turned politician,
was quick to add when he made that widely publicized remark last year that a Hitler-style dictatorship was neither desirable nor possible given Japan's democratic checks and balances.

But the call for strong leadership from the charismatic mayor, whom some believe has ambitions to be Japan's next premier, is resonating with voters frustrated by years of political deadlock that has kept the country from tackling the deep-rooted problems of a fast-ageing society.

Rising voter support for the boyish-faced Hashimoto, 42, who was elected as mayor of the major western city of Osaka last year after serving three years as governor of the broader region, mirrors the sagging fortunes of Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda.

Noda's ratings have sunk below 30 percent in the short time since he became Japan's sixth premier in five years last September.

In sharp contrast, more than double that number expressed hopes for Hashimoto's new party in a weekend poll.

391 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 10:18:52pm

re: #389 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Science.

Ah, going for more of a healer role. Has it's advantages, especially in team situations. I went tactical, too much a loner for my own good.

392 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 10:22:06pm

But it only comes in brown:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

393 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 10:23:36pm

Tomorrow's MSA meeting will be interesting. There are a few ladies I have been talking to for support in the last few weeks. They are aware of the fact that me and the MSA President are hostile to one another. Also, they are aware that I sent a message to the MSA President about his hypocrisy over the "Kill Team" incident.

There is something else about this I would tell you guys, but nobody's here right now. I'll chat about it tomorrow.

394 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 10:23:41pm

re: #392 reuven

But it only comes in brown:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Bad idea. But brilliant.

395 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 10:24:05pm

re: #391 Targetpractice

Ah, going for more of a healer role. Has it's advantages, especially in team situations. I went tactical, too much a loner for my own good.

There doesn't seem to be much distinction between classes.
But, I just started.

396 freetoken  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 10:26:10pm

re: #390 engineer cat

The Japanese are in a tough spot. They are still reeling from the Earthquake last year, the whole Fukushima nuke plant fiasco, and the fact that they are exporting fewer goods and thus can't maintain their lifestyles.

I expect the Japanese to hit some sort of wall eventually - there is too much weighing on them.

In regards to oil, for example, Japan doesn't know if it can stop importing Iranian oil like the US wants them to do. They probably can't. So does the US slap on fiscal penalties to Japan? Of course not.

The world isn't going to fit into anyone's mold of what ought to be.

397 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 10:26:35pm

re: #395 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

There doesn't seem to be much distinction between classes.
But, I just started.

It comes into its own as you level up, particularly depending on the ships you use. Tactical's about dealing damage, engineering about soaking up, and science is basically the "magic" user of the three.

398 Lidane  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 10:31:31pm
399 freetoken  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 10:32:18pm
Some worry [Hashimoto's] populist, right-leaning views could create an opening for a nationalist resurgence in Japan, a concern that has prompted critics to dub his style "Hashism."

"He comes across as a leader who doesn't believe in pluralism. That is shown in his approach to institutional reform (which is that) anything that is obstructive to the chief executive of local government needs to be abolished," said Sophia University political science professor Koichi Nakano.

Hashimoto has also tangled with the leftist teachers' union over members' refusal to stand for the national anthem, still associated by some with Japan's wartime militarism, a stand that will likely attract ultraconservative voters.

Fans say he's Japan's last chance, the sort of risk-taker the country desperately needs.

Hey, the Tea Partiers would love this guy... if only he didn't talk funny.

400 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 10:33:07pm
401 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 10:39:00pm

re: #399 freetoken

Hey, the Tea Partiers would love this guy... if only he didn't talk funny.

Jeez, Jeremy Lin has some good games and suddenly you people want a Korean guy in the White House?

/

402 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:15:38pm

re: #390 engineer cat

A nation whose very self-image has been shattered by political change, economic collapse and a combination of natural and man-made disasters.

Just the sort of nation that feels it needs a dictator to set things "right" again.

403 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:26:49pm

[Link: www.scribd.com...]

Sherrod v Breitbart complaint

404 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:39:40pm

re: #403 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

Plaintiff prays that this Court provide the following relief:(1)

An order requiring Defendant Breitbart to remove the defamatorylanguage and video from his blog;(2)

An order requiring Defendant O’Connor to remove the defamatory videoclips from YouTube.com;(3)

An order enjoining Defendants from engaging in future tortious conductagainst Mrs. Sherrod;(4)

Compensatory and consequential damages for detraction from good nameand reputation, for mental anguish, distress and humiliation, and for injuries to Plaintiff’soccupation in an amount of no less than $5,001;(5)

Punitive damages to punish Defendants’ reprehensible conduct and todeter its future occurrence;(6)

Costs and fees incurred in the prosecution of this action; and(7)

Further relief as this Court shall deem just and proper.

405 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:43:25pm

re: #403 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

[Link: www.scribd.com...]

Andy is so fraked. Even if he could get over his pride long enough to agree to a settlement, I'm not sure Sherrod would accept it. She may very well take this all the way to the end just to see him forced to make a public apology to her.

406 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:46:18pm

re: #405 Targetpractice

Unf. her plea for relief seems too modest, not even mentioning an apology. Doesn't seem as if she will make a large dent.

407 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:49:01pm

re: #406 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

Unf. her plea for relief seems too modest, not even mentioning an apology. Doesn't seem as if she will make a large dent.

Huh, you're right, must have misread. Either way, like I said, I'm not sure Sherrod's gonna let this quietly die with a settlement. Taking Andy's ass to the cleaners, not to mention perhaps pinning down who "John Doe" is, is probably the goal.

408 austin_blue  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:50:56pm

re: #390 engineer cat

huhwhat?

"What Japan needs most now is a dictator."

Toru Hashimoto, a lawyer and TV celebrity-turned politician,
was quick to add when he made that widely publicized remark last year that a Hitler-style dictatorship was neither desirable nor possible given Japan's democratic checks and balances.

But the call for strong leadership from the charismatic mayor, whom some believe has ambitions to be Japan's next premier, is resonating with voters frustrated by years of political deadlock that has kept the country from tackling the deep-rooted problems of a fast-ageing society.

Rising voter support for the boyish-faced Hashimoto, 42, who was elected as mayor of the major western city of Osaka last year after serving three years as governor of the broader region, mirrors the sagging fortunes of Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda.

Noda's ratings have sunk below 30 percent in the short time since he became Japan's sixth premier in five years last September.

In sharp contrast, more than double that number expressed hopes for Hashimoto's new party in a weekend poll.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Hmmm...

409 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 21, 2012 11:54:40pm

re: #390 engineer cat

huhwhat?

"What Japan needs most now is a dictator."

Toru Hashimoto, a lawyer and TV celebrity-turned politician,
was quick to add when he made that widely publicized remark last year that a Hitler-style dictatorship was neither desirable nor possible given Japan's democratic checks and balances.

But the call for strong leadership from the charismatic mayor, whom some believe has ambitions to be Japan's next premier, is resonating with voters frustrated by years of political deadlock that has kept the country from tackling the deep-rooted problems of a fast-ageing society.

Rising voter support for the boyish-faced Hashimoto, 42, who was elected as mayor of the major western city of Osaka last year after serving three years as governor of the broader region, mirrors the sagging fortunes of Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda.

Noda's ratings have sunk below 30 percent in the short time since he became Japan's sixth premier in five years last September.

In sharp contrast, more than double that number expressed hopes for Hashimoto's new party in a weekend poll.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

*sigh* Anybody wanna remind Japan what happened last time they had a prime minister that acted like a dictator?

410 Lidane  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 12:12:32am

re: #406 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

Unf. her plea for relief seems too modest, not even mentioning an apology. Doesn't seem as if she will make a large dent.

Not a lawyer, of course, but reading it, her prayer for relief seems normal:

PRAYER FOR RELIEF

Plaintiff prays that this Court provide the following relief:

(1)An order requiring Defendant Breitbart to remove the defamatory language and video from his blog;

(2) An order requiring Defendant O’Connor to remove the defamatory videoclips from YouTube.com;

(3) An order enjoining Defendants from engaging in future tortious conduct against Mrs. Sherrod;

(4) Compensatory and consequential damages for detraction from good name and reputation, for mental anguish, distress and humiliation, and for injuries to Plaintiff’s occupation in an amount of no less than $5,001;

(5) Punitive damages to punish Defendants’ reprehensible conduct and to deter its future occurrence;

(6) Costs and fees incurred in the prosecution of this action; and

(7) Further relief as this Court shall deem just and proper.

1 and 2 mean that Andy would have to scrub everything from his site and YouTube. 3 means he and his idiot minions would have to leave her alone.

For number 4, this is where things get interesting. As I understand it, consequential damages are damages that are awarded because of entirely foreseeable result of wrongdoing. In this case, it was a foreseeable outcome that Andy's malicious actions would directly lead to Mrs. Sherrod losing her job and income. She'd be entitled to consequential damages (i.e., $$$) for his actions for that.

Compensatory damages would replace what was lost, and nothing more. I'm not sure, but I think it would mean she's entitled to the equivalent of her lost income as a result of his actions.

5 is where the punitive damages come in, and that's the court slapping Andy with a hefty sum of money that he'd owe. It's a punishment and meant to deter him from doing this shit again.

6 would mean that Andy would have to pay Mrs. Sherrod's lawyers for their time and would also have to pay the court costs. And 7 means that if the judge and court can think of anything else, they can toss that in too.

Basically, she doesn't want an apology. She wants to force him to take all the things he said about her down, she wants him to leave her the hell alone, and she wants to take his ass to the cleaners.

411 freetoken  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 12:22:18am
412 freetoken  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 1:03:25am

Monk:

413 researchok  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 1:22:56am

Morning, all

414 researchok  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 1:32:33am

Good with AM coffee

TY, FT

415 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 2:03:47am

re: #410 Lidane

Yes, it's pretty common in lawsuits where you know you have a strong case to not ask for the moon and the stars in damages. The judge (and in some states, jury) can increase the punitive amounts or put other things on the table.

416 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 2:20:05am

Oh, and Limbaugh, suck it:

Gun rack on a Volt.

417 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 2:28:05am

re: #409 Targetpractice

Tojo lost his mojo

418 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 2:35:57am

I love this thing.

Image: tumblr_li3mraaAEG1qbcporo1_400.jpg

I kind of want to buy it.

419 Tigger2005  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:24:12am

re: #165 Kragar

Its called I typo SW:OTR, Star Wars: The Old Republic

ST: OTR must be the wacky TV comedy, Star Trek: Oh, Those Romulans!

420 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:35:30am

Math nerds calculate Death Star cost at $852 quadrillion

If you've ever asked yourself "What am I going to do with the $852 quadrillion I stashed under the sofa cushions?" (Oprah, we're obviously talking to you), why not consider building your own Death Star? According to calculations posted on Centives, a blog run by Econ students at Lehigh University, building Darth Vader's planet-destroying mega weapon would cost "roughly 13,000 times the world's GDP" and would require so much steel -- writing the amount uses 15 zeroes -- it would take more than 833,000 years to produce it.

Good morning.
A quick post before work.
;)

421 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:45:25am

re: #420 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

That's a pretty stupid article. It only talks about steel.

422 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:05:03am

re: #421 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

Why do they think it was made out of steel?

423 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:10:45am

re: #422 Obdicut

Why do they think it was made out of steel?

N/I.

424 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:11:42am

re: #421 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

That's a pretty stupid article. It only talks about steel.

re: #422 Obdicut

Why do they think it was made out of steel?

Heh. True, we have no analog to durasteel.
Really gone this time.
:P

425 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:12:05am

An ancient Greek death star would have been made of bronze.

426 RogueOne  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:21:11am

Fullerton police didn't intend to deceive public in Kelly Thomas' death, report finds

A police watchdog attorney hired by the city says there was no deliberate attempt to make the homeless man, who was beaten by officers, look bad. His father disagrees.
[Link: www.latimes.com...]

There is no evidence that Fullerton police deliberately released false or negative information and an unflattering photograph of a mentally ill homeless man who died last year after being beaten by police officers, a police watchdog attorney hired by the city said Tuesday.

The report comes after community leaders and activists accused the beleaguered Police Department of going out of its way to portray Kelly Thomas as a violent street person with a history of run-ins with police before the deadly July 5 confrontation.

Although police released a two-year-old booking photo showing a disheveled Thomas and incorrectly told the media that he had been so violent that two officers suffered broken bones in the struggle, attorney Michael Gennaco said the negative portrayal of the homeless man was unintentional.

"The Fullerton Police Department did not intend to deceive or falsify information," said Gennaco, who operates the Los Angeles County Office of Independent Review and who was hired to investigate Thomas' death and the officers' actions.

It's just a coincidence that they made the guy they beat to death look bad and that he may have had it coming. Nothing to see here...

427 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:42:18am

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

I somewhat wish Jon Stewart could be taken to Heaven and given a chance to actually interview Ronald Reagan; with the talents for jokes posessed by those two, the resulting segment would be laugh-out-loud hysterical.

I support you so long as "by taken to Heaven" you mean on a day pass kind of thing as opposed to a more permanent arrangement.

428 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:45:38am

The Foster Friess guide to women's health.

Obviously, I was making a little bit of a joke when I suggested that gals might want to hold a Bayer aspirin between their knees to keep from getting pregnant. That was just a thing we used to say back in the old days, and I think it slipped right by some people out there. The truth is, this whole contraception issue has been blown way out of proportion. It's not a costly thing, and I don't see why the government needs a hand in it.

Back in my day, if a gal didn't want to get pregnant, she didn't get married. Simple as that. The taxpayer doesn't need to fund the loose lifestyles of modern women; if these gals don't want a baby, they can just work out a deal with the local soda jerk for to wash between her knees with Pepsi-Cola. It worked for the town prostitute back in Rice Lake, and she was healthy as a bull moose. It was cheap, too. I mean the Pepsi-Cola was cheap, not the town prostitute! She was a real elegant gal.

Image: foster_repro.jpg

429 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:47:00am

re: #428 Obdicut

The Foster Friess guide to women's health.

Image: foster_repro.jpg

What a disgusting shitstain of a human being he is. (I just read the little excerpt, somethingawful is blocked here)

430 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:49:39am

re: #418 Obdicut

I love this thing.

Image: tumblr_li3mraaAEG1qbcporo1_400.jpg

I kind of want to buy it.

Image: chihuahuachz.jpg

431 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:51:08am

re: #429 Look At My Grandbaby!

It's satire, I hope that's clear, but I feel it's a good satire.

432 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:51:53am

re: #431 Obdicut

It's satire, I hope that's clear, but I feel it's a good satire.

That doesn't diminish the shitstain.

433 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:55:23am

re: #428 Obdicut

That article could easily pass the Turing Test for that mindset. All too accurate.

434 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:57:01am

In more leaky news, ExxonMobil accidentally sent some lawyers a document showing negligence on their part, and now they're suing to get it back.

It shows also that the company intentionally withheld data about air quality that they had.

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]


Yeah, good luck with that.

435 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:00:28am

Why are people on twitter joking about Mitt Romney and tree height this morning?

Did he say something stupid?

436 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:06:10am

I fucking hate comment spam.

437 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:11:55am

re: #435 Obdicut

Why are people on twitter joking about Mitt Romney and tree height this morning?

Did he say something stupid?

Perhaps it'd be better put as, does he ever NOT say something stupid?

438 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:13:39am

re: #437 thedopefishlives

Perhaps it'd be better put as, does he ever NOT say something stupid?

Oh wow, he really did.

“I love (Michigan) it seems right here, trees are the right height.”

What the fuck?

439 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:16:02am

re: #438 Obdicut

Oh wow, he really did.

“I love (Michigan) it seems right here, trees are the right height.”

What the fuck?

He's trying to make himself personable and failing in an epic fashion.

440 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:20:03am

re: #438 Obdicut

Oh wow, he really did.

“I love (Michigan) it seems right here, trees are the right height.”

What the fuck?

Maybe he really *is* an android.

(Picture the Terminator HUD)

TARGET SCANNING
TARGET ACQUIRED
(reticule zooms in, outlines tree)
env.obj(ident) RET=colloq('tree')
(numbers and stuff whiz by as it is compared against possible matches)
OBJECT IDENTIFIED
MORPHOLOGICALLY CONSISTENT WITH INDIGENOUS TYPE
NO ANOMALY FOUND

441 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:22:21am

re: #439 thedopefishlives

He's trying to make himself personable and failing in an epic fashion.

The Stepford Candidate has entered the uncanny valley.

442 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:23:31am

re: #440 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

Maybe he really *is* an android.

(Picture the Terminator HUD)

TARGET SCANNING
TARGET ACQUIRED
(reticule zooms in, outlines tree)
env.obj(ident) RET=colloq('tree')
(numbers and stuff whiz by as it is compared against possible matches)
OBJECT IDENTIFIED
MORPHOLOGICALLY CONSISTENT WITH INDIGENOUS TYPE
NO ANOMALY FOUND

I nominate this Santorum anti-Romney ad for "Demon Sheep" award! Most awesome ad of this lame campaign.

443 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:25:33am

I love twinkies.

444 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:28:08am

re: #443 EdDantes

I love twinkies.

You will survive the zombie apocalypse.

445 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:29:22am

re: #438 Obdicut

Oh wow, he really did.

“I love (Michigan) it seems right here, trees are the right height.”

What the fuck?

And how probable, I ask you, is the fact that the trees are the right height? Huh? Huuurgh? That's right! The Intelligent Design!/

446 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:30:09am

Morning, all. Has anyone posted the clip of the President with BB King and Mick Jagger? The show will be on PBS in a week. TPGOP is screwed.

[Link: wonkette.com...]

447 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:31:20am

re: #444 Look At My Grandbaby!

You will survive the zombie apocalypse.

So, I got that going for me.

448 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:31:43am

re: #446 Decatur Deb

Damn he can sing.

449 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:32:52am

re: #448 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

Damn he can sing.

Try to watch that clip with an image of Santorum in your fore-brain.

450 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:33:01am
How Obama's gonna win: He sings America the Beautiful on the first debate against Mitt.
ShinjukuHH 1 час назад
451 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:33:28am

re: #449 Decatur Deb

Try to watch that clip with an image of Santorum in your fore-brain.

Why? I'm weird, but not that weird. Get away from me, weirdo! //

452 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:33:49am

re: #448 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

Damn he can sing.

Yes. His talent is being wasted in the white house. :)

453 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:34:41am

Good night, all.

454 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:35:45am

re: #446 Decatur Deb

Morning, all. Has anyone posted the clip of the President with BB King and Mick Jagger? The show will be on PBS in a week. TPGOP is screwed.

[Link: wonkette.com...]

Awesome!

455 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:35:49am

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Supreme Court agrees to reconsider use of race in college admission decisions

456 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:38:29am

re: #446 Decatur Deb

Morning, all. Has anyone posted the clip of the President with BB King and Mick Jagger? The show will be on PBS in a week. TPGOP is screwed.

[Link: wonkette.com...]

I didn't see it, but the morning radio show I was listening to on the drive in to work played a clip. I was blown away.

457 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:41:23am

re: #420 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Are those free-lance contract workers or salaried employees? We gotta factor that in, too

458 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:42:24am

Obama and Mitt (or Rick) should really have a sing-off (or whatever it is called).

459 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:45:12am

re: #458 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

Obama and Mitt (or Rick) should really have a sing-off (or whatever it is called).

The election would be a lot more fun if the candidates had a reality show like "American Idol" and "Survivor: The White House" all rolled into one.

460 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:55:11am

re: #459 Look At My Grandbaby!

The election would be a lot more fun if the candidates had a reality show like "American Idol" and "Survivor: The White House" all rolled into one.

I thought that's what the GOP primariy debates were all about

461 Gus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:57:06am

[Clunk] Well, I made it.

462 Mocking Jay  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:58:47am

re: #438 Obdicut

Oh wow, he really did.

“I love (Michigan) it seems right here, trees are the right height.”

What the fuck?

Oh man, you have to watch that whole video if you haven't.

463 Gus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:00:53am

re: #458 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

Obama and Mitt (or Rick) should really have a sing-off (or whatever it is called).

Battle of the vocal chords.

464 Gus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:01:51am

Mah brain is bramaged.

465 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:06:36am

Palin: "The Republican Establisment Will Never Come to Me"

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

yes, they are losers, but not complete losers

466 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:17:18am

re: #462 The Most Interesting Man in My World

I haven't and can't seem to find it-- just references to it. Happen to have a link?

467 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:19:20am

Morning all!

How fookin' whacked are these people --birth investigation?

It still morning --so cuteness is needed.

How is everyone?

468 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:19:59am

re: #466 Obdicut

I haven't and can't seem to find it-- just references to it. Happen to have a link?

"Romney Proposes Federal Ideal Tree-Height Standards"

469 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:21:24am

Mornin' everyone...finished three consecutive days of ski patrolling yesterday with a 16 year old snowboarder with a pulled groin...got to give him a sled ride from the top of the mountain that he won't soon forget.

Oh, and today is the first day of Lent...happy Ash Wednesday to all the Papist lizards...the rest of you can hang out with the cool people in purgatory.

470 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:22:11am

Good morning lizards!

471 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:23:55am

re: #469 darthstar

Mornin' everyone...finished three consecutive days of ski patrolling yesterday with a 16 year old snowboarder with a pulled groin...got to give him a sled ride from the top of the mountain that he won't soon forget.

Oh, and today is the first day of Lent...happy Ash Wednesday to all the Papist lizards...the rest of you can hang out with the cool people in purgatory.

Purgatory has it's good points.

Most of my favorite people are there.

472 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:24:19am

re: #469 darthstar

Oh, and today is the first day of Lent...happy Ash Wednesday to all the Papist lizards...the rest of you can hang out with the cool people in purgatory.

What that means to me as a Jew:

Time to start cleaning the house for Passover!

473 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:25:18am

re: #471 ggt

Purgatory has it's good points.

Most of my favorite people are there.

I always thought of it as this place where you could keep most of the bad habits you had all your life, but you didn't get those impossible to keep clean white wings.

474 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:26:22am

re: #446 Decatur Deb

Morning, all. Has anyone posted the clip of the President with BB King and Mick Jagger? The show will be on PBS in a week. TPGOP is screwed.

[Link: wonkette.com...]

I want to send that clip back in time and force the Confederates to watch it.

475 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:26:59am

re: #472 Look At My Grandbaby!

What that means to me as a Jew:

Time to start cleaning the house for Passover!

It takes seven weeks to clean for Passover? I always thought the toads were kind of cool...will always give Moses props for that one. But the lamb's blood on the door post made me think of all the flies it would draw.

477 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:28:23am

re: #472 Look At My Grandbaby!

What that means to me as a Jew:

Time to start cleaning the house for Passover!

OMG! My Jewish Mom hired a cleaning service.

She hates this time of year.

478 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:29:30am

re: #476 Gus

Punanny State - Virginia's Transvaginal Ultrasound Bill

If I was going to start a rock band, I'd call it "Transvaginal Ultrasound"...in weeks there would be teenage boys all across the country with those words across their chests.

479 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:30:24am

re: #477 ggt

OMG! My Jewish Mom hired a cleaning service.

She hates this time of year.

"Feathers Are Us"?

480 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:30:25am

re: #469 darthstar

Oh, and today is the first day of Lent...happy Ash Wednesday to all the Papist lizards...the rest of you can hang out with the cool people in purgatory.

I am not at all Papist, but I have taken to going off meatstuffs during Lent for the past several years now. Not strictly or religiously; I will still eat it if prepared and offered by someone else, but I do not bring any meat home from the store or prepare it.

481 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:30:46am

re: #469 darthstar

Mornin' everyone...finished three consecutive days of ski patrolling yesterday with a 16 year old snowboarder with a pulled groin...got to give him a sled ride from the top of the mountain that he won't soon forget.

Oh, and today is the first day of Lent...happy Ash Wednesday to all the Papist lizards...the rest of you can hang out with the cool people in purgatory.

I was brought up in the Protestant tradition and had never had much practical experience socializing with Catholics. When we moved to Northwest Indiana (a heavily Polish Catholic region associated with Chicago) in the 4th grade, I accidentally discovered the practice of not eating meat on Fridays when I bought a meat entree at the school cafeteria and everybody stared at me like I had horns growing out of my head.

482 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:30:58am

re: #477 ggt

OMG! My Jewish Mom hired a cleaning service.

She hates this time of year.

120 bucks every two weeks for a cleaning service is a godsend.

483 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:31:21am

re: #478 darthstar

If I was going to start a rock band, I'd call it "Transvaginal Ultrasound"...in weeks there would be teenage boys all across the country with those words across their chests.

these guys are halfway there:

484 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:33:48am

Well how about that.

Ultrasounds Already Part of VA Planned Parenthood Abortion Procedure

The backlash against the new Virginia legislation requiring ultrasounds before an abortion procedure – which some have bizarrely compared to “forcible rape” – may be even more overblown than initially thought. Apparently, ultrasounds are already part of the abortion procedures at Virginia Planned Parenthoods.

The Virginia League for Planned Parenthood didn’t immediately return calls yesterday. But here’s what it said on the recording for its abortion services information hotline:

“Patients who have a surgical abortion generally come in for two appointments. At the first visit we do a health assessment, perform all the necessary lab work, and do an ultrasound. This visit generally takes about an hour. At the second visit, the procedure takes place. This visit takes about an hour as well. For out of town patients for whom it would be difficult to make two trips to our office, we’re able to schedule both the initial appointment and the procedure on the same day.

Medical abortions generally require three visits. At the first visit, we do a health assessment, perform all the necessary lab work, and do an ultrasound. This visit takes about an hour. At the second visit, the physician gives the first pill and directions for taking two more pills at home. The third visit is required during which you will have an exam and another ultrasound.”

485 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:34:15am

re: #481 thedopefishlives

I was brought up in the Protestant tradition and had never had much practical experience socializing with Catholics. When we moved to Northwest Indiana (a heavily Polish Catholic region associated with Chicago) in the 4th grade, I accidentally discovered the practice of not eating meat on Fridays when I bought a meat entree at the school cafeteria and everybody stared at me like I had horns growing out of my head.

I grew up in NW Indiana, also of Central European Catholic descent. My mom would save the bacon drippings in a can on the tove and use them to fry the fish on Friday...

486 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:36:01am
487 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:37:19am

re: #482 darthstar

120 bucks every two weeks for a cleaning service is a godsend.

She has to hire a special Kosher cleaning service that knows how to clean for Orthodox Passover.

I have no idea how much it costs. Then she has to buy all new cooking and eating utensils.

She hates it.

488 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:37:57am

re: #485 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

I still think it's funny that the kids at my school had as little experience with a Protestant Christian as I did with Catholics. It was really a collision of two different worlds.

489 Gus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:38:40am

re: #484 NJDhockeyfan

Well how about that.

Ultrasounds Already Part of VA Planned Parenthood Abortion Procedure

[Rolls eyes.]

490 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:40:19am

re: #489 Gus

[Rolls eyes.]

Well, at least it didn't mention Cindy Sheehan.

491 Gus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:41:20am

re: #490 darthstar

Well, at least it didn't mention Cindy Sheehan.

That PP story is a Dana Loesch talking point and a bunch of other wingnuts.

492 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:41:24am

Newly Discovered Legless Amphibians Are Horrifying

Newly discovered legless amphibians live out their lives in underground burrows, tending their slimy pink young, which emerge from their eggs as miniature adults.

If they sound like something out of a monster movie, they look it too: These creatures, part of a group of animals called caecilians, could pass for enormous earthworms. But they're actually vertebrates with backbones, more like salamanders or frogs.

The discovery of new vertebrates is rare, especially outside of tropical rain forests, but the new caecilians come mostly from human-inhabited areas in northeastern India. They've escaped notice for so long because these burrowers spend their lives underground, out of sight of human eyes.

Horrifying? They look like worms.

493 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:42:03am

I really don't understand the preoccupation with other people's sex lives.

494 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:44:21am

Wife is off to church, getting ashed. Think I'll smear myself with a litte bearing grease in solidarity.

495 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:45:01am

re: #487 ggt

She has to hire a special Kosher cleaning service that knows how to clean for Orthodox Passover.

I have no idea how much it costs. Then she has to buy all new cooking and eating utensils.

She hates it.

There is no kosher cleaning service here, just regular cleaning service. I had them last year, but they didn't clean out the fridge and freezer properly and I had to do it all over again.

There's no need to buy all new utensils from year to year, I have special utensils that I keep from year to year and we eat off paper and plastic. I used to have a full set of Corelle and even some Noritake china settings that we use for the seder, but who wants to wash a bunch of dishes?

Last year my daughter came with her family, which was awesome because she wanted all the food prepared her way, so she did all the cooking!

496 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:46:48am

re: #493 ggt

I really don't understand the preoccupation with other people's sex lives.

Dominionism and exceptionalism:

They believe that for a nation to enjoy the favor of The Lord, its laws must reflect (their interpretation of) God's Divine Law and enforce them on Earth in His name.

Since they believe that abortion, homosexuality, drugs, pornography, gambling, etc. are sinful, the laws of their country mush reflect their views on these activity.

Merely using their freedom of speech to voice their disapproval of such acts does not satisfy them: they feel compelled to make it law.

497 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:48:06am

re: #496 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Dominionism and exceptionalism:

They believe that for a nation to enjoy the favor of The Lord, its laws must reflect (their interpretation of) God's Divine Law and enforce them on Earth in His name.

Since they believe that abortion, homosexuality, drugs, pornography, gambling, etc. are sinful, the laws of their country mush reflect their views on these activity.

Merely using one's freedom of speech to voice their disapproval of such acts does not satisfy them: the feel compelled to make it law.

I still don't understand it.

498 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:48:43am

re: #495 Look At My Grandbaby!

There is no kosher cleaning service here, just regular cleaning service. I had them last year, but they didn't clean out the fridge and freezer properly and I had to do it all over again.

There's no need to buy all new utensils from year to year, I have special utensils that I keep from year to year and we eat off paper and plastic. I used to have a full set of Corelle and even some Noritake china settings that we use for the seder, but who wants to wash a bunch of dishes?

Last year my daughter came with her family, which was awesome because she wanted all the food prepared her way, so she did all the cooking!

I think she buys disposable every year.

499 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:48:59am

re: #496 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Dominionism and exceptionalism:

They believe that for a nation to enjoy the favor of The Lord, its laws must reflect (their interpretation of) God's Divine Law and enforce them on Earth in His name.

Since they believe that abortion, homosexuality, drugs, pornography, gambling, etc. are sinful, the laws of their country mush reflect their views on these activity.

Merely using one's freedom of speech to voice their disapproval of such acts does not satisfy them: the feel compelled to make it law.

Wait...who are we talking about here...Christians or Muslims?

500 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:49:12am

re: #495 Look At My Grandbaby!

If Obama can force Catholics to offer birth control, then he will someday force you to serve pork!

(real-life argument voiced at the all-male Senate hearings)

501 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:49:14am

re: #499 darthstar

Wait...who are we talking about here...Christians or Muslims?

EXACTLY!

502 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:49:45am

re: #499 darthstar

Wait...who are we talking about here...Christians or Muslims?

Any sort of fundamentalist.

503 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:50:40am

re: #502 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Any sort of fundamentalist. WHACKO

FTFY

There are people who consider themselves fundamentalists who are not WHACKO.

504 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:50:58am

re: #498 ggt

I think she buys disposable every year.

Why disposable? I read the story of the passover a shitload of times in Catholic School...there was never anything about tossing out the china after all your un-chosen neighbors were exterminated by the great benevolent one in the sky.

505 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:51:41am

re: #504 darthstar

Why disposable? I read the story of the passover a shitload of times in Catholic School...there was never anything about tossing out the china after all your un-chosen neighbors were exterminated by the great benevolent one in the sky.

It's a Orthodox Jewish thing.

I don't understand it any more than I understand eating Fish on Friday.

Tradition . . . .

506 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:51:58am

re: #500 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

If Obama can force Catholics to offer birth control, then he will someday force you to serve pork!

(real-life argument voiced at the all-male Senate hearings)

Not if he's a Marxist/Muslim. He'll take your pork and make you eat USDA-provided baba ganoush.

507 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:52:09am

re: #497 ggt

I still don't understand it.

They feel that if a nation has laws that allow (their religious interpretation of) immoral activity, such as abortions, homosexuality, drugs, gambling, etc, that this nation will fall from favor with The Lord and will fall.

That is what is behind Fundamentalism in almost all of its forms and flavors.

508 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:52:41am

re: #505 ggt

It's a Orthodox Jewish thing.

I don't understand it any more than I understand eating Fish on Friday.

Tradition . . .

Ah...like taking down the Xmas lights before 4th of July...got it.

509 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:53:31am

re: #507 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

They feel that if a nation has laws that allow (their religious interpretation of) immoral activity, such as abortions, homosexuality, drugs, gambling, etc, that this nation will fall from favor with The Lord and will fall.

That is what is behind Fundamentalism in almost all of its forms and flavors.

What I don't understand is that there are REAL problems that can be dealt with. The Morality thing is a lost fight. You cannot control people to that extent and live in the kind of society I want to live in.

510 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:54:03am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The situation in Syria continues to go downhill, and dozens of people were killed across the country by Assad's forces, including two journalists and a blogger. 27 men were lined up and killed in one particular incident - add that to the list of war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by Assad's regime.

But don't expect much in the way of international action. Russia, China, and Iran are all backing Assad and will do pretty much anything to thwart UN or Arab League action that might send Assad packing.

511 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:55:12am

re: #484 NJDhockeyfan

Often times the ultrasounds are not the transvaginal ones, but external ones.

And are you just missing all the bits in the bill about how they have to take a picture and give it to her and stuff?

512 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:55:17am

re: #500 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

If Obama can force Catholics to offer birth control, then he will someday force you to serve pork!

(real-life argument voiced at the all-male Senate hearings)

I had some baby-back, baby-back, baby-back ribs last night at Jason's (a restaurant in King's Beach on Lake Tahoe)...they're so fuckin' good it's hard to describe them...just put a place called Jason's on your to-do list if you're ever in the Lake Tahoe area.

513 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:56:03am

re: #511 Obdicut

Often times the ultrasounds are not the transvaginal ones, but external ones.

And are you just missing all the bits in the bill about how they have to take a picture and give it to her and stuff?

And who is paying for this ultrasound? And the administration to check that it is done etc . . .

514 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:56:33am

re: #511 Obdicut

Often times the ultrasounds are not the transvaginal ones, but external ones.

And are you just missing all the bits in the bill about how they have to take a picture and give it to her and stuff?

in a locket that she wears around her neck...seriously...how Hawthorne are they going to go with these laws. A scarlet A for Abortion?

515 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:57:54am

re: #510 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The situation in Syria continues to go downhill, and dozens of people were killed across the country by Assad's forces, including two journalists and a blogger. 27 men were lined up and killed in one particular incident - add that to the list of war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by Assad's regime.

But don't expect much in the way of international action. Russia, China, and Iran are all backing Assad and will do pretty much anything to thwart UN or Arab League action that might send Assad packing.

Some journalists were killed yesterday.

Marie Colvin killed in Syria

Marie Colvin, the award-winning Sunday Times journalist, has been killed in Syria. It is reported that she died alongside a French photographer in Homs when a house they were staying was shelled.

News agencies say she and the photographer, Remi Ochlik, another veteran war correspondent, were killed by a rocket as they tried to make their escape.

Three other foreign journalists were also reportedly wounded, including Paul Conroy, a British photographer who was working with Colvin. A French reporter with Le Figaro, Edith Bouvier, was injured. The third, a female American journalist who has not been named, was said to be "in a very serious condition."

They were all apparently inside a makeshift media centre set up by anti-regime activists in the Baba Amr district that took a direct hit from a shell.

516 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 6:59:53am

re: #515 NJDhockeyfan

War journalists are about the only general class of journalists I respect anymore, and this is why.

517 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:03:10am

re: #516 Obdicut

And those that are trying to get the story from behind the Assad veil of secrecy are all that more courageous. They're working against the odds - and the government is actively opposed to anyone other than their official mouthpieces telling the story of what's going on in the country particularly in places like Hama and Homs where Assad's crackdown is at its most severe.

Watch for Assad to claim that these journalists were working with and for the opposition "terrorist" groups and that they can't be protected unless they're in official journalist pools that have security minders.

518 Gus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:05:10am

re: #511 Obdicut

Often times the ultrasounds are not the transvaginal ones, but external ones.

And are you just missing all the bits in the bill about how they have to take a picture and give it to her and stuff?

C. The qualified medical professional performing fetal ultrasound imaging pursuant to subsection B shall offer the woman an opportunity to view and receive a printed copy of the ultrasound image and hear auscultation of fetal heart tone and shall obtain from the woman written certification that this opportunity was offered and whether or not it was accepted. A printed copy of the ultrasound image shall be maintained in the woman's medical record at the facility where the abortion is to be performed for the longer of (i) seven years or (ii) the extent required by applicable federal or state law.

[Link: leg1.state.va.us...]

There is no opt-out. The "opinion" piece at right-wing leaning Commentary Magazine makes no mention as to whether PP "requires" or if it's transabdominal or transvaginal. Obviously, the law is politically motivated in the first place and has nothing to do with medical procedures.

519 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:05:31am

re: #516 Obdicut

War journalists are about the only general class of journalists I respect anymore, and this is why.

I feel the same way. People like Andy Rooney and Edward Murrow during WWII showed the way journalism should be. I feel bad for the ones that get killed. It's not a job I would want to do.

520 Gus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:05:44am

re: #511 Obdicut

Often times the ultrasounds are not the transvaginal ones, but external ones.

And are you just missing all the bits in the bill about how they have to take a picture and give it to her and stuff?

But other than that I'm expecting "crickets" to your question.

521 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:06:16am

re: #518 Gus

C. The qualified medical professional performing fetal ultrasound imaging pursuant to subsection B shall offer the woman an opportunity to view and receive a printed copy of the ultrasound image and hear auscultation of fetal heart tone and shall obtain from the woman written certification that this opportunity was offered and whether or not it was accepted. A printed copy of the ultrasound image shall be maintained in the woman's medical record at the facility where the abortion is to be performed for the longer of (i) seven years or (ii) the extent required by applicable federal or state law.

[Link: leg1.state.va.us...]

There is no opt-out. The "opinion" piece at right-wing leaning Commentary Magazine makes no mention as to whether PP "requires" or if it's transabdominal or transvaginal. Obviously, the law is politically motivated in the first place and has nothing to do with medical procedures.

Is that same ultrasound picture going to be maintained on the "sperm donor's" medical record?

WTF?

522 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:06:38am

re: #517 lawhawk

I think there's a very, very direct correspondence to the amount of 'freedom', if we can call the bundle of rights and privledges and citizen-duties we have with that one word, the amount of freedom in a country and the freedom of the press.

523 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:11:09am

Good News in the fight against the radicals:

Operation Linda Nchi: al-Shabaab militant base of Baidoa captured by Ethiopian and Somali forces.

524 Gus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:11:30am
525 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:12:12am

re: #521 ggt

Is that same ultrasound picture going to be maintained on the "sperm donor's" medical record?

WTF?

Sorry, but try to pass any law saying that the man's responsibility goes anywhere beyond ejaculation, and you'll have Mitch McConnell shaking his jowels at you furiously.

526 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:12:19am

re: #519 NJDhockeyfan

Al Gore was a Military reporter in Vietnam. He was in Harvard, he easily could have dodged the draft, but he didn't. He was one of very few kids from his level of wealth and privilege to serve. It's something I very rarely hear anyone on the right give him credit for. I've even heard some assholes disparage him for 'just' being a journalist in the Army, as if he had a choice and as if that's 'just' a job, in a place where the Viet Cong were blowing up soldiers in the cafes in the 'safe' part of Vietnam.

527 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:13:35am

re: #526 Obdicut

Al Gore was a Military reporter in Vietnam. He was in Harvard, he easily could have dodged the draft, but he didn't. He was one of very few kids from his level of wealth and privilege to serve. It's something I very rarely hear anyone on the right give him credit for. I've even heard some assholes disparage him for 'just' being a journalist in the Army, as if he had a choice and as if that's 'just' a job, in a place where the Viet Cong were blowing up soldiers in the cafes in the 'safe' part of Vietnam.

I didn't know that. That is worthy of respect.

528 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:15:08am

re: #522 Obdicut

That correlation/causative relationship between a free press and a free society was understood by our Founding Fathers to the extent that they enshrined that in the First Amendment. Other countries have gone and included freedom of the press in their own constitutions but pay it only lip service.

However, the way we think about the press has changed in recent years thanks to the Internet. The "press" should be expanded to include free flow of information (such as Internet accessibility) since anyone can be a journalist to report on events (and can post videos and other information on twitter and blogs etc). Regimes under siege from protesters demanding reform and change are doing all they can to limit access to information. Iran has repeatedly sought to shut down Internet access during the protests there last year. China has instituted various blocks to prevent certain kinds of searches that might reveal information that the government doesn't want people to see, and other regimes block the Internet or other telecommunications access altogether (think North Korea).

529 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:15:49am

re: #510 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The situation in Syria continues to go downhill, and dozens of people were killed across the country by Assad's forces, including two journalists and a blogger. 27 men were lined up and killed in one particular incident - add that to the list of war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by Assad's regime.

But don't expect much in the way of international action. Russia, China, and Iran are all backing Assad and will do pretty much anything to thwart UN or Arab League action that might send Assad packing.

I think those supporting Assad will end up on the wrong side of history eventually but I think you're right. In the short term I don't see much chance of international support for the uprising.

530 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:16:22am

re: #528 lawhawk

The whole concept of "journalist" has undergone a radical change over the past two decades.

531 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:17:27am

re: #530 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

The whole concept of "journalist" has undergone a radical change over the past two decades.

I agree, there aren't many of what I would call journalists being hired. Most are gossipers, IMHO.

532 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:17:58am

re: #528 lawhawk

Yes, not just freedom of press, but access to information as well. And then, of course, we abut abruptly against what I very strongly believe to be an understood right of privacy in the constitution, but others do not.

I read some anarchist endorsement of identity-theft on a website the other day, because he believed that even fraudulent speech was protected. It was kind of mindblowing, but I checked his other stuff and it wasn't satire, he was just reaaallly earnest.

533 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:19:06am

Off to accomplish something.

Have a great day all!

534 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:19:59am

And yet, with all the freedom our press has, they mainly choose to deliver to the lowest common denominator, and have begun to think of themselves entirely as entertainment, where there are now standards other than that of the perceived audience.

I have no idea how to reform the press, or whether the internet is going to make press far less institutional on a permanent basis.

535 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:20:34am

ACLJ: Sources in Iran - Execution Warrant May Have Been Issued for Christian Pastor

The American Center for Law and Justice, focusing on constitutional and international law, said today it has received information that Iran may have issued an execution order for Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani, who was sentenced to death because he refused to recant his Christian faith. The ACLJ is working to determine whether Pastor Youcef is still alive.

"As of today, we cannot confirm that Pastor Youcef is alive," said Jordan Sekulow, Executive Director of the ACLJ. "The news out of Iran is not encouraging. With Iran now dominating international headlines because of its military actions, it's clear Iran may have decided to move forward by issuing an execution order, knowing that the world's attention is focused elsewhere right now. We also know that Iran's top officials can reject the execution order and release Pastor Youcef if they so desire. We will keep the international pressure on Iran to free Pastor Youcef."

It is still unclear at the present time whether Pastor Youcef would have a right of appeal from the execution order. The head of Iran's Judiciary Chief, Ayatollah Sadegh Larijani, must approve publicly held executions, but only a small percentage of executions are carried out in public. Most executions in Iran are conducted in secret.

This disturbing news comes as more than 35,000 Americans have signed on to an ACLJ petition urging members of Congress to support a resolution condemning Iran for its actions and calling for the immediate release of the Christian pastor.

536 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:20:46am

re: #533 ggt

Off to accomplish something.

Have a great day all!

There you go...screwing up the bell curve for the rest of us...enjoy.

537 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:20:58am

re: #527 NJDhockeyfan

I didn't know that. That is worthy of respect.

Like Kerry and Cleland and some others, he was a democrat so in far too many minds it not only didn't count but some flaw or error or weakness had to be found so it could be turned into a negative. In his case it was the fact he almost never left the rear areas. Why? His father, Senator Albert Gore, Sr.

His father tried to prevent him from going. Then he applied pressure to have Al kept as safe as possible, so he didn't get out of the 'rear' very often and even then (according to various documents) pretty much only on personal initiative.

538 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:21:53am

re: #536 darthstar

There you go...screwing up the bell curve for the rest of us...enjoy.

Nah, someone's got to hold the ends.

539 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:23:04am

re: #537 kirkspencer

Like Kerry and Cleland and some others, he was a democrat so in far too many minds it not only didn't count but some flaw or error or weakness had to be found so it could be turned into a negative. In his case it was the fact he almost never left the rear areas. Why? His father, Senator Albert Gore, Sr.

His father tried to prevent him from going. Then he applied pressure to have Al kept as safe as possible, so he didn't get out of the 'rear' very often and even then (according to various documents) pretty much only on personal initiative.

At least he was there and didn't hide in Canada. I disagree with him on a lot of things but what he did going to Vietnam earns some respect.

540 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:24:11am

U.S. Official Signals Growing Concern Over Anonymous Group's Capabilities

The director of the National Security Agency has warned that the hacking group Anonymous could have the ability within the next year or two to bring about a limited power outage through a cyberattack.

Gen. Keith Alexander, the director, provided his assessment in meetings at the White House and in other private sessions, according to people familiar with the gatherings. While he hasn't publicly expressed his concerns about the potential for Anonymous to disrupt power supplies, he has warned publicly about an emerging ability by cyberattackers to disable or even damage computer network

541 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:25:26am

re: #537 kirkspencer

Yep. But even so-- Image: Scene_of_Viet_Cong_terrorist_bombing_in_Saigon,_Republic_of_Vietnam.,_1965.jpg

That's a Viet Cong terrorist bomb going off.

Image: VietCongBombingNatArchives.jpg

That's another one, don't know who it was in that house, but they're dead.


A lot of people forget that part of the war, the terrorist campaign carried on inside South Vietnam by the Viet Cong.

542 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:26:29am

re: #540 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

We really need to upgrade our utility grid. It is such a goddamn mess now. But man the energy companies are going to whine about it.

543 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:27:51am

Letter to the editor from an OWS supporter:

'Occupy' achieved main goal

Anyone who claims the "Occupy" movement has no clear message is either trying to discredit it or simply isn't paying attention. This protest always has been about economic injustice and the fact that a small handful of people have corrupted our system in their favor ("Editorial: 'Occupy' movement fading out in a whimper").

The fact that so many elites were alarmed and frightened by the initial outcry (including members of Congress, who are supposed to represent all the people — shame on them!) goes to show that they are in fact living in a house of cards.

USA TODAY's editorial is right to say that Occupy might lack clear goals on how to move forward, but the movement has accomplished its main original goal: to protest these injustices, not by simply holding a rally and going home, but by keeping the rally going to underscore the seriousness of this problem. Your piece accuses the protesters of sitting around and doing nothing. So maybe they should take up their Second Amendment-sanctioned guns and storm Wall Street and our nation's capitals. If our country doesn't change, it could very well come to that one day.

Rich Latta; Austin

Storm Wall Street with guns, really?

544 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:27:56am

re: #534 Obdicut

And yet, with all the freedom our press has, they mainly choose to deliver to the lowest common denominator, and have begun to think of themselves entirely as entertainment, where there are now standards other than that of the perceived audience.

I have no idea how to reform the press, or whether the internet is going to make press far less institutional on a permanent basis.

A news network used to be an expensive proposition to build up and maintain: it had a certain reputation for reliability and integrity to defend, which prompted its own sense of quality control.

And they were limited in number by the technical limitations of radio and TV broadcasting.

Now anyone with a computer and a webcam can become a "news journalist" - and standards have gone down considerably.

545 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:28:06am

I think it's good to remember that whenever any report says "Anonymous could do this" that, if true, then China could definitely do that, and probably some other countries as well.

546 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:29:42am

re: #543 NJDhockeyfan

Letter to the editor from an OWS supporter:

'Occupy' achieved main goal

Storm Wall Street with guns, really?

You got a problem with Second Amendment Remedies there, buddy?

/

547 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:30:07am

re: #544 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

See, but i don't know anyone who gets their news from a guy with a webcam and a microphone. Do you? I mean, the vast majority of the stories I see posted here are from actual news outlets, not citizen-journalists. There's a few established web-presences, too, and the occasional johnny-on-the-spot, but it seems to me that the actual reporting is still largely institutional.

So I'm not sure that explains it.

548 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:31:12am

re: #545 Obdicut

I think it's good to remember that whenever any report says "Anonymous could do this" that, if true, then China could definitely do that, and probably some other countries as well.

Esp. as a lot of the Anon is surely abroad (relative to the US).

549 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:31:48am

re: #543 NJDhockeyfan

Letter to the editor from an OWS supporter:

'Occupy' achieved main goal

Storm Wall Street with guns, really?

It's only outrageous if a wingnut says it.

550 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:31:53am

Herr Bailiff, bitte whacken his pee-pee!
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

551 Gus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:32:20am

Derp.

552 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:32:36am

re: #543 NJDhockeyfan

Letter to the editor from an OWS supporter:

'Occupy' achieved main goal

Storm Wall Street with guns, really?

That person was being rhetorical (they'll teach that word in the eighth grade) and asking the USA Today if they'd prefer OWS took the Teabagger approach of threatening "Second Amendment remedies" that the media all but washed over because it made the teabaggers look bad.

553 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:32:52am

re: #547 Obdicut

See, but i don't know anyone who gets their news from a guy with a webcam and a microphone. Do you? I mean, the vast majority of the stories I see posted here are from actual news outlets, not citizen-journalists. There's a few established web-presences, too, and the occasional johnny-on-the-spot, but it seems to me that the actual reporting is still largely institutional.

So I'm not sure that explains it.

A lot of networks rely on reports from computer-and-webcam guys. And what do you relly call a Breitbart, O'Keefe or Geller?

554 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:33:00am

re: #546 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

You got a problem with Second Amendment Remedies there, buddy?

/

Only when the wrong people propose it.

555 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:33:26am

re: #549 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

It's only outrageous if a wingnut says it.

No, it's quite outrageous when a leftist fanatic says it. The diff. being I don't see those hippies and anarchists actually taking up arms.

556 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:34:08am

re: #543 NJDhockeyfan

Austines rising up is just an unbeatably hilarious proposition to me.

I'm sorry, I can't take it seriously. Obviously, his rhetoric is stupid, condemnable, and awful, but Austinite Revolution can't ever be anything more than a prog-math-pop-band.

That guy's sad, man.

557 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:34:15am

re: #498 ggt

I think she buys disposable every year.

I'm talking about pots, pans, mixing bowls, salad bowls, food processors, coffee makers, stuff you need in order to prepare food.

Although I use as much disposable as I can, I generate more garbage during one week than probably for the entire rest of the year!

558 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:34:19am

re: #553 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

A lot of networks rely on reports from computer-and-webcam guys. And what do you relly call a Breitbart, O'Keefe or Geller?

A turd, a weaselly little fucker, and a skank, respectively.

559 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:34:38am

re: #529 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

Not so sure about that last part. The US is apparently contemplating supporting the opposition groups arrayed against Assad - opening the door to possible arms shipments.

In coordinated messages, the White House and State Department said they still hope for a political solution. But faced with the daily onslaught by the Assad regime against Syrian civilians, officials dropped the administration's previous strident opposition to arming anti-regime forces. It remained unclear, though, what, if any, role the U.S. might play in providing such aid.

"We don't want to take actions that would contribute to the further militarization of Syria because that could take the country down a dangerous path," White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters. "But we don't rule out additional measures if the international community should wait too long and not take the kind of action that needs to be taken."

And if it isn't the US sending arms, watch for the French to take the lead on that front. France has historical ties to the Levant (Lebanon, Syria, and parts of Turkey and Jordan) so they're again taking the lead on diplomatic efforts among Western countries.

560 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:35:09am

re: #549 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

It's only outrageous if a wingnut says it.

The outrage would be tremendous. But remember, this is just one person.

561 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:35:27am

re: #545 Obdicut

I think it's good to remember that whenever any report says "Anonymous could do this" that, if true, then China could definitely do that, and probably some other countries as well.

Potentially terrorist organizations as well. It is interesting that Anon is getting closer to being regarded as a terrorist organization themselves. I'm surprised the Feds have let them continue this long but it won't take much to inspire a crackdown on these idiots.

562 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:35:48am

re: #553 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

A lot of networks rely on reports from computer-and-webcam guys. And what do you relly call a Breitbart, O'Keefe or Geller?

I don't think they're relied on that much, though. Breitbart also has a couple of websites, making him an institutional-style journalist to me, not just a dude with a microphone. And even then, with that kind of bare-bones approach, he's on the fringes of journalism-- more stories are about him then by him. He's much more on the 'entertainment' side of the 'serious news' spectrum.

563 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:37:13am

re: #549 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

It's only outrageous if a wingnut says it.

That's only because they usually carry their guns around to show them off...they're dangerous not because they're psychotic, but because they're reckless.

564 Gus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:37:19am

Some of the snark is starting to remind me of the Lizard Lounge before it was closed.

565 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:37:47am

re: #560 NJDhockeyfan

The outrage would be tremendous. But remember, this is just one person.

Just like all those racist Republicans like Tancredo are always just one person who "doesn't represent the Republican party" (hope I'm quoting you correctly).

566 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:38:57am

re: #561 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

Well, as Sergey pointed out, a hell of a lot of Anon is abroad. A lot of them are probably in countries that aren't pally-pally with the US, like China, Russia, and even if they're a country we're very close to, they're going to be leery about cracking down on their own citizens at the behest of another country, when cyber-cases tend to be very hard to prosecute at the best of times.

We could round up every actual hacker who does actual hacks and there'd still be a whole world of hackers out there. Arresting black-hat hackers is a good idea, and internet law needs a makeover so that can be a reality more often, but the internet doesn't stop at the water's edge; we need to be safe from the same sort of attacks from abroad. This is not an area where the US can promise to defend its citizens. It'd take a coordinated world-wide effort to sort out the tangled mess of international law as it applies to the internet.

567 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:38:59am

re: #562 Obdicut

Turd, weasel, and skank are only trying to make names for themselves so they can make money...period. They don't care about any cause or political system...if it becomes more profitable to go after Republicans, they will.

568 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:41:22am

Work is calling. BBIAB maybe.

569 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:42:28am

re: #568 NJDhockeyfan

Work is calling. BBIAB maybe.

And don't forget the fries!

570 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:44:18am

re: #567 darthstar

Turd, weasel, and skank are only trying to make names for themselves so they can make money...period. They don't care about any cause or political system...if it becomes more profitable to go after Republicans, they will.

News networks are commercial enterprises. The product they sell is not news.

The product they sell is advertising time. The purpose of news is to get people's attention so as to make their programming more attractive to their customers, the advertisers.

To that extent, Rush and his EIB Network are highly successful businesspeople: they have a target demographic nailed down and can command top prices for anyone who wants to reach them.

571 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:44:32am

re: #567 darthstar

They do, anyone that stumbles a pace in the madcap GOP race to the bottom, or even just shows a moment of human weakness. They run pieces on "Gaffetastic Santorum" and poke at Romney for being rich. Anything that taps into any hate or mean-spiritedness, that's what they capitalize on.

572 Gus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:46:29am

re: #549 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

It's only outrageous if a wingnut says it.

573 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:52:48am

I just realized that, either in one year or four years, Obama is going to be out of office. People are going to have a hard time adjusting, I think. This has really torn the lid off a lot of stuff.

574 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:54:23am

re: #573 Obdicut

I just realized that, either in one year or four years, Obama is going to be out of office. People are going to have a hard time adjusting, I think. This has really torn the lid off a lot of stuff.

Off a lot of heads.

575 Gus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:55:06am

Fascinating. Santorum beats Obama in Arizona according to the latest NBC News/Marist.

NBC News/Marist 2/19 - 2/20 1222 RV 45 42 Santorum +3

Still ahead of Santorum in the RCP average.

RCP Average 2/8 - 2/21 -- 49.7 43.3 Obama +6.4

576 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:55:37am

re: #573 Obdicut

I just realized that, either in one year or four years, Obama is going to be out of office. People are going to have a hard time adjusting, I think. This has really torn the lid off a lot of stuff.

Five years. January, 2017...and yes, adjusting will be hard, especially if one of these uber-conservative types manage to take over. People will watch their rights going down the toilet while the rich get bigger tax breaks and subsidies and say, "Wait...the black guy never tried to fuck us like that!"

577 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:56:25am

re: #575 Gus

Fascinating. Santorum beats Obama in Arizona according to the latest NBC News/Marist.

NBC News/Marist 2/19 - 2/20 1222 RV 45 42 Santorum +3

Still ahead of Santorum in the RCP average.

RCP Average 2/8 - 2/21 -- 49.7 43.3 Obama +6.4

It would have been sad if even 10% of voters would even consider voting for S***m. This? No comment.

578 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:56:45am

re: #575 Gus

Fascinating. Santorum beats Obama in Arizona according to the latest NBC News/Marist.

NBC News/Marist 2/19 - 2/20 1222 RV 45 42 Santorum +3

Still ahead of Santorum in the RCP average.

RCP Average 2/8 - 2/21 -- 49.7 43.3 Obama +6.4

More electable! Arizona voted for John McCain. Anything's possible there.

579 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:57:19am

But then, I thought the same about Palin in 2008.

580 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:58:19am

re: #579 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

But then, I thought the same about Palin in 2008.

At least Palin was the VP candidate and not a presidential candidate but yeah.

581 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:58:22am

re: #577 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

It would have been sad if even 10% of voters would even consider voting for S***m. This? No comment.

"Anyone but Obama" will still command a large bloc of the electorate.

582 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:58:55am

re: #580 HappyWarrior

At least Palin was the VP candidate and not a presidential candidate but yeah.

1 heartbeat from the office.

583 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:00:10am

re: #582 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

1 heartbeat from the office.

Yeah I know and with an especially old McCain too. I am still astonished Santorum has emerged as Romney's biggest rival. I know him fairly well since I have a lot of family in Pennsylvania and I thought for sure the guy was finished politically after Bob Casey obliterated him in 2006.

584 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:00:22am

re: #582 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

1 heartbeat from the office.

1 72-year-old heartbeat from the office, yes...

585 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:00:22am

re: #582 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

1 heartbeat from the office.

If McCain had won, she'd be president by now...or John Boehner would as she'd have quit.

586 Gus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:00:50am

re: #577 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

It would have been sad if even 10% of voters would even consider voting for S***m. This? No comment.

So out of that 43.3 percent you have the religious nuts and people that don't care about his religiousness. Then again that's the same number of people that believe in YEC. So here we are in 2012 and a good half of America is still with the 18th century thinking.

587 iossarian  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:01:14am

re: #585 darthstar

If McCain had won, she'd be president by now...or John Boehner would as she'd have quit.

"Also, the journalists at the White House press conferences were mean to me and asked gotcha lamestream questions."

588 Big Steve  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:01:50am

re: #576 darthstar

Five years. January, 2017...and yes, adjusting will be hard, especially if one of these uber-conservative types manage to take over. People will watch their rights going down the toilet while the rich get bigger tax breaks and subsidies and say, "Wait...the black guy never tried to fuck us like that!"

Every President gets better once they are out of office.

589 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:01:52am

It really is disturbing to see Santorum as viable as we are in frigging 2012 here. I mean damn.

590 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:02:15am

re: #585 darthstar

If McCain had won, she'd be president by now...or John Boehner would as she'd have quit.

But not without bombing Azerbaijan first.

591 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:03:18am

re: #590 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

But not without bombing Azerbaijan first.

Secretary of Defense Herman Cain would have opted for bombing Ubeki-beki-bekistan first

592 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:03:39am

re: #577 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

Wait, you actually expected a shutout? Some states will vote for the GOP candidate, regardless of who it is. AZ is one of those states that has voted pretty consistently GOP since 1992. Only in 1996 did Clinton beat Dole.

593 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:04:19am

re: #592 lawhawk

Wait, you actually expected a shutout? Some states will vote for the GOP candidate, regardless of who it is. AZ is one of those states that has voted pretty consistently GOP since 1992. Only in 1996 did Clinton beat Dole.

Not a shutout, but 43% in the general? Sheesh.

594 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:06:42am

re: #593 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

Not a shutout, but 43% in the general? Sheesh.

This is Arizona. I know: I used to live there. It is politically backward in a way that puts places like Alabama or South Carolina to shame....

595 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:07:06am

re: #573 Obdicut

I just realized that, either in one year or four years, Obama is going to be out of office. People are going to have a hard time adjusting, I think. This has really torn the lid off a lot of stuff.

Oh, it'll be interesting sooner than five years. (Barring extraordinary event Obama will win this year.)

On the R side, 2016 will be the year the TP says "No more RINOs". Expect to see a lot of almost-under-the-radar work on developing the ground game Santorum needed and didn't have this time around. You can see remarks that way already. Oh, expect 2015 to be fairly intense in determining which non-RINO they're going to support in the nomination against the "establishment" RINO.

On the D side, well, right now there's no viable replacement for Obama. Clinton's resigning next year and claims no more interest. Biden's not a national candidate (demonstrated in multiple campaigns).

heh - Obama would really, truly impress me if he started grooming a small handful of successors for the 2016 contest. Not "an heir", but a small group of people to be the Democratic Leaders of the next decade or two.

596 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:07:48am

re: #594 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

This is Arizona. I know: I used to live there. It is politically backward in a way that puts places like Alabama or South Carolina to shame...

To repeat: "Not a shutout, but 43% in the general?"
AZ is the other number.

597 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:09:03am

re: #595 kirkspencer

I'd watch what Andrew Cuomo does - with an eye towards 2016. There are a couple of other governors that might fit the bill, and who knows - if Elizabeth Warren wins in MA, she might too have her sights set on the White House down the line.

598 Gus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:09:36am

re: #596 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

To repeat: "Not a shutout, but 43% in the general?"
AZ is the other number.

Poll: Majority Believe In Ghosts

(CBS) This Halloween may be filled with trick-or-treaters in scary costumes, but for more than one in five Americans, some costumes might be real: they told CBS News pollsters they have seen a real-life ghost in some form. And whether or not they've seen one, even more Americans believe that ghosts actually do exist.

Nearly half of Americans say they believe in ghosts, or that the dead can return in certain places and situations.

48 percent.

599 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:09:48am

Warner, Cuomo, O'Malley, Schweitzer, all possibilities. Trying to think of some prominent elected women too that may run.

600 Gus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:11:32am

And one more time.

December 17, 2010
Four in 10 Americans Believe in Strict Creationism
Belief in evolutionary origins of humans slowly rising, however
by Frank Newport

PRINCETON, NJ -- Four in 10 Americans, slightly fewer today than in years past, believe God created humans in their present form about 10,000 years ago. Thirty-eight percent believe God guided a process by which humans developed over millions of years from less advanced life forms, while 16%, up slightly from years past, believe humans developed over millions of years, without God's involvement.

601 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:12:13am

re: #600 Gus

And one more time.

December 17, 2010
Four in 10 Americans Believe in Strict Creationism
Belief in evolutionary origins of humans slowly rising, however
by Frank Newport

I believe we have the highest belief in creationism in the West.

602 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:12:37am

re: #593 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

Not a shutout, but 43% in the general? Sheesh.

Kindly recall that in 2008 Obama got just under 53% of the popular vote to McCain's ~46%. 28 states (plus DC and NE-02) vs 22 states (less NE-02). 68% of the electoral college results.

Ask people and they think it was similar to the previous two much closer races. Nope, it was (for our time) a huge margin.

And it's beginning to shape up as being even larger this time around.

603 Gus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:12:42am

re: #601 HappyWarrior

I believe we have the highest belief in creationism in the West.

Yep. Right around Turkey was the last time I checked.

604 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:14:05am

re: #603 Gus

Yep. Right around Turkey was the last time I checked.

Yeah, I think Turkey was the only one with a bigger one. We're a strange nation honest.

605 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:14:21am

Wee-weed up! Ready to go beat Satan!

My favorite line from the narcissistic grifter:

they ran that tape over and over again in the Vice Presidential race trying to make me sound like a whacko

Uh, stupid bitch (it's okay to call Sarah that), it was a Presidential race, not a Vice Presidential race. You didn't actually have to compete, other than posing next to Joe Lieberman in matching two piece swimsuits, to get onto the ticket.

606 Gus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:14:45am

re: #604 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I think Turkey was the only one with a bigger one. We're a strange nation honest.

It's a lot like a colony in many respects.

607 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:16:07am

re: #597 lawhawk

re: #599 HappyWarrior

Agreed, but that's because I'm a bit of a political junkie. None of them have had a chance to shine nationally. Their requirement over the next three years is to become a national name, the way Obama and Clinton were in 2007. That way the actual race can be spent, as with those two, in discussing what needs done and who needs it instead of playing beauty pageant for the various cliques.

608 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:18:01am

OT:
This is just horrific - Buenos Ares commuter train accident kills at least 40, 500+ injured after the train failed to stop before the end of the line.

The commuter train came in too fast and hit the barrier at the end of the platform at about 12 mph, smashing the front of the engine and crunching the leading cars behind it.
One car penetrated nearly 20 feet into the next, Schiavi told reporters at the station.

PhotoBlog: Passengers carried to safety after Buenos Aires train crash
Most damaged was the first car, where passengers make space for bicycles. Survivors told the TeleNoticias channel that many people were injured in a jumble of metal and glass.

Windows explode
Passengers said windows exploded as the tops of train cars separated from their floors.

Watch for whether they find human error involved (that the engineer was driving too fast) or mechanical failure (brakes not functioning properly). In either case, thoughts and prayers go out to those affected.

609 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:18:22am

re: #605 darthstar

Wee-weed up! Ready to go beat Satan!

My favorite line from the narcissistic grifter:

Uh, stupid bitch (it's okay to call Sarah that), it was a Presidential race, not a Vice Presidential race. You didn't actually have to compete, other than posing next to Joe Lieberman in matching two piece swimsuits, to get onto the ticket.

She's a narcissist. I said this in the fall of 2008 but Sarah Palin outside of being a Muslim Communist non-US born is everything the right accuses Obama of being: She's shallow, narcissistic, dumb, etc. She should just be grateful that McCain made her his "Hail Mary" otherwise she'd be another footnote.

610 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:19:56am

re: #607 kirkspencer

re: #599 HappyWarrior

Agreed, but that's because I'm a bit of a political junkie. None of them have had a chance to shine nationally. Their requirement over the next three years is to become a national name, the way Obama and Clinton were in 2007. That way the actual race can be spent, as with those two, in discussing what needs done and who needs it instead of playing beauty pageant for the various cliques.

Any more discussion of the 2016 race, before this one is settled, will be reported to the Internet Management.

611 iossarian  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:20:53am

re: #605 darthstar

[...] other than posing next to Joe Lieberman in matching two piece swimsuits [...]

A mental image I will treasure.

612 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:21:32am

re: #610 Decatur Deb

Any more discussion of the 2016 race, before this one is settled, will be reported to the Internet Management.

And when it gets to my desk I'll decide what action I'll take.
//

613 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:22:43am

re: #612 kirkspencer

And when it gets to my desk I'll decide what action I'll take.
//

So you're the Internet Mangement Intern?

614 Gus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:26:12am
615 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:28:54am

re: #614 Gus

And Christie again shows why he's a prick. Kudos to him for not being a fear mongrel about Muslims but other than that this guy is a jerk between this and his jerkish gay marriage veto.

616 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:29:46am

re: #615 HappyWarrior

And Christie again shows why he's a prick. Kudos to him for not being a fear mongrel about Muslims but other than that this guy is a jerk between this and his jerkish gay marriage veto.

!!

;)

617 Gus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:31:29am

re: #615 HappyWarrior

And Christie again shows why he's a prick. Kudos to him for not being a fear mongrel about Muslims but other than that this guy is a jerk between this and his jerkish gay marriage veto.

Christie To Warren Buffett: "Write A Check And Shut Up"

618 Gus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:36:31am

re: #484 NJDhockeyfan

Well how about that.

Ultrasounds Already Part of VA Planned Parenthood Abortion Procedure

Virginia’s Ultrasound Bill Makes No Exceptions For Rape Or Incest

The Virginia House is due to vote Wednesday on a bill which would require women seeking an abortion to undergo an ultrasound. This is the final step before the bill arrives on the governor’s desk.

The bill requires that the ultrasound operation helps show the physical aspects of the fetus and also detects a heartbeat. Since most abortions are sought during the first 12 weeks of a pregnancy, when the fetus is little larger than a grain of rice, this means many women would not undergo a procedure like the one depicted in the picture above. Instead, they would be obliged to endure an invasive “transvaginal” procedure. This has led opponents of the bill - many of them Democrats - to decry it as “state-sponsored rape.”

This only adds to another controversial aspect of the bill - that unlike many laws which regulate abortion, Virginia’s does not contain exemptions for victims of rape or incest.

Well, how about that.

619 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:37:35am

re: #566 Obdicut

Case in point: Kaspersky Labs have just released a report on DDOS in the 2nd half of 2011. Russia accounted for 16% of attacks (1st place), Ukraine for 12% (2nd place), Thailand for 7% (3rd):

[Link: www.securelist.com...]

Image: gar_nam_pic04.png

620 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:39:02am

re: #619 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

(Although interesting that in the 1st half of 2011 USA was in the 1st place, followed by Indonesia and Poland.)

621 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:40:18am

re: #613 Decatur Deb

So you're the Internet Mangement Intern?

Sure, we'll go with that. /

622 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:42:18am

Here's yesterday's Pussy Riot's punk-prayer in the Church of Christ the Savior:

623 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:42:34am

I just found out a singer I just adore will audition for The Voice. Go Jaime!!
A sample of her work
[Link: www.myspace.com...]

A shot I have of her in action.
[Link: studio11photography.blogspot.com...]

624 Petero1818  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:43:07am

re: #620 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

(Although interesting that in the 1st half of 2011 USA was in the 1st place, followed by Indonesia and Poland.)

So what you are saying is that things are so bad under Obama, we have even outsourced our hacking jobs !///

625 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:43:10am

A response to Newt Gingrich on gun racks and Volts

626 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:43:29am

VA Governor may be backing off support of the abortion ultrasound bill.

Gov. Bob McDonnell is having second thoughts about signing it into law.
According to the Post, McDonnell has stepped back from his promise to sign the bill if it crosses his desk. Additionally, reports AFP, yesterday the House of Delegates put off a third and final vote on the legislation after a day of protests in Richmond.

The most controversial aspect of the law is how the ultrasound, which would not be optional, would be carried out. According to an article by Slate's Dahlia Lithwick last week, the use of the foot-long probe for the transvaginal procedure of no medical necessity would constitute rape* [see my comments below] under the federal definition of the crime. Additionally, critics noted, if a woman chooses not to look at the ultrasound, that fact will be noted in her medical record.

While the FBI definition of rape involves the following:

The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.

Virginia law considers object sexual penetration a felony separate from rape, and this statute would require doctors to carry out an unnecessary medical procedure that meets the definition of that felony crime. So, while the requirement to use this ultrasound probe wouldn't meet the definition of rape under Virginia law, it most certainly is a criminal act under Virginia law.

Under either federal law or Virginia law, the woman seeking a lawful abortion would have to get a medically unnecessary and invasive procedure that meets the FBI definition of rape all because Republicans think that this is the means to overturn Roe and its progeny - to say nothing of the added health care costs associated with the procedures involved.

627 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:44:38am

re: #626 lawhawk

VA Governor may be backing off support of the abortion ultrasound bill.

While the FBI definition of rape involves the following:

Virginia law considers object sexual penetration a felony separate from rape, and this statute would require doctors to carry out an unnecessary medical procedure that meets the definition of that felony crime. So, while the requirement to use this ultrasound probe wouldn't meet the definition of rape under Virginia law, it most certainly is a criminal act under Virginia law.

Under either federal law or Virginia law, the woman seeking a lawful abortion would have to get a medically unnecessary and invasive procedure that meets the FBI definition of rape all because Republicans think that this is the means to overturn Roe and its progeny - to say nothing of the added health care costs associated with the procedures involved.

Wow so McDonnell has some courage after all if he is in fact backing off on this.

628 darthstar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:46:16am

re: #627 HappyWarrior

Wow so McDonnell has some courage after all if he is in fact backing off on this.

That, and his wife told him he wasn't to come near her or his daughters if he signed it...ever.

629 Petero1818  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:49:38am

re: #609 HappyWarrior

She's a narcissist. I said this in the fall of 2008 but Sarah Palin outside of being a Muslim Communist non-US born is everything the right accuses Obama of being: She's shallow, narcissistic, dumb, etc. She should just be grateful that McCain made her his "Hail Mary" otherwise she'd be another footnote.

Not only that, she presided over one of the biggest direct redistributions of wealth that the United States has ever seen when she levied the Windfall tax on oil companies and redistributed it to each and every Alaskan as windfall tax payments and oil wealth savings account payments. So I am not sure you are right when you say "outside of being a ...communist".

630 Petero1818  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:51:22am

re: #627 HappyWarrior

Wow so McDonnell has some courage after all if he is in fact backing off on this.

RINO!!!!///

631 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:51:22am

re: #601 HappyWarrior

I believe we have the highest belief in creationism in the West.

Even the Pope says he sees no conflict between Evolution and Creation.

it is only those who insist on a literal interpretation of the Bible and a highly selective approach to science who feel the need to reject Evolution.

Oddly enough, a lot of these people have no trouble with the concept of Social and Economic Darwinism.

632 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:51:24am

re: #629 Petero1818

Not only that, she presided over one of the biggest direct redistributions of wealth that the United States has ever seen when she levied the Windfall tax on oil companies and redistributed it to each and every Alaskan as windfall tax payments and oil wealth savings account payments. So I am not sure you are right when you say "outside of being a ...communist".

Didn't know about that. I do remember hearing the Socialist presidential candidate saying that she had more socialist in her than she lets on.

635 Petero1818  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:54:58am

re: #632 HappyWarrior

Didn't know about that. I do remember hearing the Socialist presidential candidate saying that she had more socialist in her than she lets on.

Well it was hard for Obama to publicly go after her, and he wouldn't have called her a Socialist, since Obama supports the Windfall tax. But there is a reason Alaskans get checks in the mail for between $2000-3200 to each household. Its called redistribution of wealth, and few have done it as effectively as the half Governor during her half term.

636 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:55:01am

re: #633 Gus

President Obama sings Sweet Home Chicago!

[Video]

This may be even cooler than the "Let's Stay Together." I don't care what people say about Obama but I like the guy.

637 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:55:30am

re: #631 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

The Catholic Church has a tradition of figurative interpretation of the Bible. It helps, since it's one big organization. Protestant churches, not being a single org, can pick and choose what interpretation they follow.

638 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:55:44am

re: #635 Petero1818

Well it was hard for Obama to publicly go after her, and he wouldn't have called her a Socialist, since Obama supports the Windfall tax. But there is a reason Alaskans get checks in the mail for between $2000-3200 to each household. Its called redistribution of wealth, and few have done it as effectively as the half Governor during her half term.

Yeah true.

639 Gus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:56:42am

re: #636 HappyWarrior

This may be even cooler than the "Let's Stay Together." I don't care what people say about Obama but I like the guy.

Pretty big line-up. That's BB King that he's interacting with. Mick Jagger in the background. PBS will show this concert next Monday.

640 Petero1818  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:56:49am

re: #631 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Even the Pope says he sees no conflict between Evolution and Creation.

What does that Dorothy wannabe know?///

641 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:57:32am

re: #469 darthstar

what are the chances of santorum having ashes on his forehead at the debate tonight you think?

642 Gus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:58:59am

re: #634 Gus

Mick Jagger live White House - February 21 2012 - Part 1

[Video]

Whack job comments:

Counter cultural druggies haven't caused enough trouble? There are people in addiction and addictive patterns which are all the Rolling Stones sing about and celebrate.

Just think of all the crime and murders associate with the drug trade and the counter culture and all the effort that was put forth by former White Houses to address it.And they have a God hating guy like Jagger singing in the people's house?Sad

jmc32007

I Love Mick!! I wish my Tax Dollars did NOT pay for Obama to party. GAS IS HIGH AND HES PARTYING WITH mick JAGGER! WHAT ABOUT OUR COUNTRY?

imaStonesFan

643 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:59:22am

re: #641 SpaceJesus

Wow. Really awkward if he does but Gingrich doesn't.

644 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:00:04am

The President tries singing again, and does a great job.

[Link: www.tmz.com...]

645 Gus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:01:06am

Video: Marie Colvin's last call to CNN

American journalist Marie Colvin was with a baby in Syria when he died from his wounds. She described the conditions in Homs to Anderson Cooper. Tragically, Colvin was killed shortly after she gave this interview.

646 allegro  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:01:22am

re: #644 reuven

The President tries singing again!

[Link: www.tmz.com...]

I thought he succeeded quite well. He has a nice voice.

647 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:02:18am

re: #646 allegro

I thought he succeeded quite well. He has a nice voice.

Get the feeling he's holding back a little, in terms of power and volume.

648 Kragar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:03:15am

re: #647 Obdicut

Get the feeling he's holding back a little, in terms of power and volume.

Its a cunning plan to lull us into a false sense of security.
/

649 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:03:21am

re: #637 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

The Catholic Church has a tradition of figurative interpretation of the Bible not being entirely stupid and backwards about everything it does. It helps, since it's one big organization. Protestant churches, not being a single org, can pick and choose what interpretation they follow be as friggin' stoopid as they want to be.

650 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:04:36am

re: #639 Gus

Pretty big line-up. That's BB King that he's interacting with. Mick Jagger in the background. PBS will show this concert next Monday.

I'll have to record that..

651 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:04:51am

re: #627 HappyWarrior

Wow so McDonnell has some courage after all if he is in fact backing off on this.

No, he just did a better headcount.

652 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:04:59am

re: #641 SpaceJesus

what are the chances of santorum having ashes on his forehead at the debate tonight you think?

Lotsa Catholic kids used to show up at our high school on Ash Wednesday with ashes on our foreheads. So we used to rub the ashes from our pre-school hash pipe on our foreheads...

653 Kragar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:05:11am

Fischer: The President Must be an Intercessor on Behalf of the Nation

Yesterday, Fischer was reading from Numbers 21 in which Israelites wandering in the desert began to complain because there was no food or water. In response, God sent venomous snakes to attack them, prompting the people to repent and turn to Moses, begging him to ask God to stop the attacks.

Fischer then explained that the meaning of this passage is that the President of the United States must be an "intercessor for his people" and that voters should elect a president based on who they believe is best suited to praying on behalf of the nation, as this the most important part of the President's job:

/facepalm

654 allegro  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:05:25am

re: #647 Obdicut

Get the feeling he's holding back a little, in terms of power and volume.

I have no doubt. People who don't sing solo in public places are most always shy about belting it out like they would in the car or someplace where they're alone.

655 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:05:51am

re: #652 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

pre-school hash pipe

Wow, you were a precocious toddler.

656 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:05:54am

As a wannabee musician (classical piano), I like to support the most musical candidate. So, for example, I'm a big Nixon fan because he was a great pianist (see YouTube for him accompanying Pearl Baily), and Condoleeza Rice. And of course Bill Clinton.

So when Rick Perry released a video of him playing the piano, I got concerned! Will I have to support Perry? Fortunately, he plays like a 6-year-old who doesn't practice unless his mom forces him.

Now I can confidently stand behind Barack Obama, because he is the best musician among all the candidates.

657 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:06:07am

re: #642 Gus

Whack job comments:

Who the fuck can hate the Stones and Mick? At least the last guy likes the Stones but seriously he acts like no other president has ever done anything like this. It's part of the job. You get to shoot the shit with famous people.

658 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:06:18am

re: #653 Kragar

Fischer: The President Must be an Intercessor on Behalf of the Nation

/facepalm

Just like Governor Rick Perry was supposed to be an intercessor for the State of Texas and pray for rain...

659 Kragar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:06:56am

re: #658 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Just like Governor Rick Perry was supposed to be an intercessor for the State of Texas and pray for rain...

Texas didn't love Jesus enough.
/

They really don't get that separation of Church and State thing at all, do they?

660 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:08:40am

re: #656 reuven

As a wannabee musician (classical piano), I like to support the most musical candidate. So, for example, I'm a big Nixon fan because he was a great pianist (see YouTube for him accompanying Pearl Baily), and Condoleeza Rice. And of course Bill Clinton.

So when Rick Perry released a video of him playing the piano, I got concerned! Will I have to support Perry? Fortunately, he plays like a 6-year-old who doesn't practice unless his mom forces him.

Now I can confidently stand behind Barack Obama, because he is the best musician among all the candidates.


Nixon on the Piano, doing a piece he wrote himself. Truman also was a pianist. My dad has joked that the reason why he preferred Clinton over Bush II and Dole is because he knew the music at the inaugurations would be better.
661 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:09:39am

re: #653 Kragar

Fischer: The President Must be an Intercessor on Behalf of the Nation

/facepalm

I'm awaiting Fischer's angry tirades at America when they overwhelmingly reject his worldview in November.

662 Kragar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:10:22am

re: #661 HappyWarrior

I'm awaiting Fischer's angry tirades at America when they overwhelmingly reject his worldview in November.

663 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:10:28am

re: #654 allegro

I have no doubt. People who don't sing solo in public places are most always shy about belting it out like they would in the car or someplace where they're alone.

Actually, my experience is it's those who don't sing solo go either halfway or let it all hang out. The experienced ones hold back just a little so they don't distort, and have that little extra oomph for the times when the distortion doesn't matter quite as much.

664 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:12:02am

re: #652 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

you smoked hash in preschool? are you dutch?

665 Kragar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:13:28am

re: #664 SpaceJesus

you smoked hash in preschool? are you dutch?

666 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:13:39am

Hail Stan.

667 Kragar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:14:17am

re: #666 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

Hail Stan.

668 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:16:41am

re: #667 Kragar

[Video]

669 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:18:29am

re: #665 Kragar

[Video]

re: #664 SpaceJesus

you smoked hash in preschool? are you dutch?

nah. we just used to buy it from the pre-schoolers in our neighborhood...

670 jaunte  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:21:11am

re: #600 Gus

And one more time.

December 17, 2010
Four in 10 Americans Believe in Strict Creationism
Belief in evolutionary origins of humans slowly rising, however
by Frank Newport

Creationism Kicked: Indiana Bill Killed Over Fears Of Costly Litigation

Indiana House Speaker Brian Bosma has decided to table legislation that would have mandated the teaching of “creation science” in public schools. The bill had passed the Indiana Senate, albeit with a modification requiring the teaching of other theories on the origins of life on Earth from several religions, including Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism and Scientology.

The problem was that no matter how Indiana lawmakers tried to modify the bill, there was no getting around the fact that it was blatantly unconstitutional.

Did Bosma have a change of heart and realize that creationism has no place in public schools? Nothing of the sort. He simply realized that a little thing called the U.S. Supreme Court was in his way.

671 BongCrodny  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:23:18am

re: #619 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

Case in point: Kaspersky Labs have just released a report on DDOS in the 2nd half of 2011. Russia accounted for 16% of attacks (1st place), Ukraine for 12% (2nd place), Thailand for 7% (3rd):

[Link: www.securelist.com...]

Image: gar_nam_pic04.png

I got hit by a nasty bug recently that blacked out my desktop and hid various files. A tech guy I know was able to fix the problem by doing a system restore to the date before the bug hit.

The first clue I had that it was an out-of-country attack was the popup message where they tried to get me to buy software: "Your are not a preferred customer."

672 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:25:04am

re: #671 BongCrodny

Poor grammar/spelling as an indicator of a non-US attack? I'm not convinced ;)

673 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:25:04am

re: #637 Iosif Vissarionovich Arpaio

The Catholic Church has a tradition of figurative interpretation of the Bible. It helps, since it's one big organization. Protestant churches, not being a single org, can pick and choose what interpretation they follow.

So what allows Santorum to disagree with the Pope on evolution? I don't see anything figurative there. I thought the whole thingy about Catholics was that they had a unified belief system, unlike the other thousands of Christian sects.

On the other hand, if one can disagree on contraception, why not evolution? Santorum should run for the American Pope, not president (maybe he doesn't think there is a difference).

674 jaunte  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:27:04am

Robert McDonnell starting to feel the heat:

Virginia governor no longer fully supports ultrasounds before abortions

Until this weekend, McDonnell (R) and his aides had said the governor would sign the measure if it made it to his desk. McDonnell, who strongly opposes abortion, will no longer make that commitment.

675 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:28:12am

re: #673 Red Sea Desjardini Tang

Is this what allows Santorum to disagree with the Pope on evolution? I thought the whole thingy about Catholics was that they had a unified belief system, unlike the other thousands of Christian sects.

On the other hand, if one can disagree on contraception, why not evolution? Santorum should run for the American Pope, not president (maybe he doesn't think there is a difference).

There are a few dogmas, what doesn't contradict them is up for grabs. The Pope's personal opinion on interpretation of the Bible is not binding on the Catholics. But it is influential, which is why I say that being a single big org certainly helps.

676 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:29:23am

re: #674 jaunte

Robert McDonnell starting to feel the heat:

Virginia governor no longer fully supports ultrasounds before abortions

Good.

677 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:30:18am

re: #673 Red Sea Desjardini Tang

So what allows Santorum to disagree with the Pope on evolution? I don't see anything figurative there. I thought the whole thingy about Catholics was that they had a unified belief system, unlike the other thousands of Christian sects.

On the other hand, if one can disagree on contraception, why not evolution? Santorum should run for the American Pope, not president (maybe he doesn't think there is a difference).

The Pope does not see a conflict between Evolution and Creation. One can believe in both or only in the latter.
The Pope does see a conflict between Catholic doctrine and contraception. One cannot believe in one and practice the other.

678 dragonfire1981  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:45:46am

re: #674 jaunte

Robert McDonnell starting to feel the heat:

Virginia governor no longer fully supports ultrasounds before abortions

My guess is this is only a temporary retreat until the heat dies down.

679 Lidane  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:51:31am

Feel the Mitt-mentum!

680 allegro  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 9:53:14am

re: #674 jaunte

Robert McDonnell starting to feel the heat:

Virginia governor no longer fully supports ultrasounds before abortions

I suspect most men might feel a bit hesitant to cross a 1000 women silently staring them down.

681 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 10:19:16am

re: #673 Red Sea Desjardini Tang

So what allows Santorum to disagree with the Pope on evolution? I don't see anything figurative there. I thought the whole thingy about Catholics was that they had a unified belief system, unlike the other thousands of Christian sects.

On the other hand, if one can disagree on contraception, why not evolution? Santorum should run for the American Pope, not president (maybe he doesn't think there is a difference).

The popes and Catholic teachers don't prohibit YEC, they just think it's stupid.

682 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 11:10:36am

re: #681 Decatur Deb

The popes and Catholic teachers don't prohibit YEC, they just think it's stupid.

But when it is taught as religion, their religion, they think stupid is OK?

683 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 11:16:18am

re: #682 Red Sea Desjardini Tang

But when it is taught as religion, their religion, they think stupid is OK?

I can't think of a significant Catholic school that would teach YEC, even in the 1950's. Santorum, like O'Donnell and Jindal, is getting his Catholicism from very fringey sources. (Yes, there is a lot of diversity within 'unified' Catholic belief. Father Coughlin and Dorothy Day both managed to stay just inside the rules.)


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