Islands: ‘Hallways’ (Featuring the Boneyard Boys)
A bouncy little ditty with puppet skeletons
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Feb 25, 2012 5:41:52pm |
Fun video. Vimeo is attracting the best talent.
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Kragar Sat, Feb 25, 2012 5:56:31pm |
The best thing about being sick, catching up on video watching.
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Targetpractice Sat, Feb 25, 2012 5:57:33pm |
re: #2 Kragar
The best thing about being sick, catching up on video watching.
That reminds me, how bad did the doc say?
And is there still time to get penciled into your will?//
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Only The Lurker Knows Sat, Feb 25, 2012 5:58:21pm |
I knew this was going to end bad. This is why you never, ever, walk through a door that opens all by its self. You end up dead.
BTW, Evening Lizards.
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Kragar Sat, Feb 25, 2012 5:59:42pm |
re: #3 Targetpractice
That reminds me, how bad did the doc say?
And is there still time to get penciled into your will?//
Severe stomach flu. On meds for the cramps, so they're not as bad, feeling better today.
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Kragar Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:01:21pm |
re: #5 Bubblehead II
Anything back from the lab yet?
No, they said they would call if they found anything.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:01:26pm |
re: #6 Kragar
Severe stomach flu. On meds for the cramps, so they're not as bad, feeling better today.
"Stomach flu" is usually a euphemism for food poisoning. Eat anything questionable lately?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:02:04pm |
Good stuff, but it's a gimmick with a classic predecessor:
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Targetpractice Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:04:21pm |
re: #6 Kragar
Severe stomach flu. On meds for the cramps, so they're not as bad, feeling better today.
Good to hear.
I'll postpone the grave digging. But hurry up, man, these guys aren't cheap.//
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Kragar Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:05:52pm |
re: #9 Charles Johnson
"Stomach flu" is usually a euphemism for food poisoning. Eat anything questionable lately?
Nope. The UrgentCare said they've seen a bunch of cases lately.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:07:53pm |
A lot of the issues people have reported in the LGF Spy were fixed today -- let me know if you find something that still needs repair.
Working on some new capabilities for the monitor lizards too.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:09:37pm |
re: #10 Dark_Falcon
Good stuff, but it's a gimmick with a classic predecessor:
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One of the few really good things they ever did. Probably had to do with the fact they constrained themselves to a "single" format rather than meandering all over creation with stoner solos.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:16:25pm |
Just today got my "Document Of Registration" from the Writers Guild for my short SciFi film "Sprite". #1553298 I never thought I would have one of those. I'm pretty sure it will go on Vimeo not YouTube when done. Just don't want to be in the crowd with "Costume Dancing Squirrel".
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:18:07pm |
re: #15 Daniel Ballard
Just today got my "Document Of Registration" from the Writers Guild for my short SciFi film "Sprite". #1553298 I never thought I would have one of those. I'm pretty sure it will go on Vimeo not YouTube when done. Just don't want to be in the crowd with "Costume Dancing Squirrel".
Go with vimeo. Much better quality and much better company. I can't wait to see it. How do you think it came out?
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:19:10pm |
Only now did I decide to look at the cause of the riots in Afghanistan. Wikipedia sez:
On 22 February, 2012, United States troops at Bagram Airfield were alleged to have set fire to copies of Quran. John R. Allen, the commander of the International Security Assistance Force, said the copies were taken from the library at the Parwan Detention Facility. A military official said the materials were removed from the detainee center's library because they had "extremist inscriptions" on them and there was "an appearance that these documents were being used to facilitate extremist communications." Afghan garbage collecters working at the base reported this.
On one hand, that was unbelievably moronic that the military people in charge of this didn't think before they did anything. However, why the hell we they given Qurans in the first place. They were defacing Qurans to use for messages. These motherfuckers should be in complete and total isolation. Also, it appears Iran is taking advantage of this to rile people up.
This is why people say Military Intelligence is an oxymoron.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:23:11pm |
re: #17 ProGunLiberal
Only now did I decide to look at the cause of the riots in Afghanistan. Wikipedia sez:
On one hand, that was unbelievably moronic that the military people in charge of this didn't think before they did anything. However, why the hell we they given Qurans in the first place. They were defacing Qurans to use for messages. These motherfuckers should be in complete and total isolation. Also, it appears Iran is taking advantage of this to rile people up.
This is why people say Military Intelligence is an oxymoron.
OT: You read my last reply to you on the previous thread about the computer parts?
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:27:15pm |
re: #18 talon_262
I think I may have missed it.
Also, I found out something if the MSA President wants to give me a hard time:
Guess who the #1 Desecrator/Destroyer of Qurans is?
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austin_blue Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:27:30pm |
Evening, Lizardi!
Just got back from a little meet-up w/ Jon Lebkowski and Bruce Sterling at ATX Hackerspace. Jon founded EFF Austin and is a noted Internet freeware/open source advocate. Bruce is the Pope/Emperor of the Viridian Design Movement, and just got back from a month of teaching a design seminar at the University of Mexico in the DF.
Nice to touch base w/ some old buds. At one point while talking with Bruce, I turned around and saw a crowd of fan boys standing behind me and looking at me with awe. I mean, really? I've known Sterling for twenty years. He's not a God.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:30:17pm |
re: #16 Killgore Trout
Go with vimeo. Much better quality and much better company. I can't wait to see it. How do you think it came out?
It's not done yet. I have shot maybe 20% of it. Mixed time lapse and HD video. Locations include Mt Baldy, Griffith Observatory and Mt Wilson observatory. Oh and a trip to Arizona to get the monsoon clouds building in time lapse. And I get to rent and use a steadycam or glidecam. Or rather LWC does. We hope to finish by fall a couple months after the Arizona location shoot. Production is a bit slow due to financing this straight out of my own pocket.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:32:59pm |
re: #20 austin_blue
Evening, Lizardi!
Just got back from a little meet-up w/ Jon Lebkowski and Bruce Sterling at ATX Hackerspace. Jon founded EFF Austin and is a noted Internet freeware/open source advocate. Bruce is the Pope/Emperor of the Viridian Design Movement, and just got back from a month of teaching a design seminar at the University of Mexico in the DF.
Nice to touch base w/ some old buds. At one point while talking with Bruce, I turned around and saw a crowd of fan boys standing behind me and looking at me with awe. I mean, really? I've known Sterling for twenty years. He's not a God.
I like his books (though probably Gibson's a bit more) but I missed my chance for the one guy I'd have gone fanboy on. Maybe in the next life...
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McSpiff Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:35:06pm |
Howdy Lizards.
Took two days, but I've finally beat the weather (and computer failures!) and made it home from Cincinnati.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:36:03pm |
Charles, I saw this today, via buzz feed. Old mug shots of the 1900's.
You might want to check this guy out. 4th one down.
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:37:05pm |
re: #17 ProGunLiberal
Only now did I decide to look at the cause of the riots in Afghanistan. Wikipedia sez:
On one hand, that was unbelievably moronic that the military people in charge of this didn't think before they did anything. However, why the hell we they given Qurans in the first place. They were defacing Qurans to use for messages. These motherfuckers should be in complete and total isolation. Also, it appears Iran is taking advantage of this to rile people up.
This is why people say Military Intelligence is an oxymoron.
Short Answer: They were given Korans because the US has a long-standing tradition of allowing prisoners to possess their religion's holy book. Even prisoners in super-max are allowed a Bible (or Koran or other as appropriate). To do otherwise has long been seen as unjust and denying that person the opportunity to use their faith to become a better person.
Though I have though we should perhaps show some of the Korans that were so desecrated in the past (the same sort of thing as hollowed-out Bibles such as the one Andy Dufrane (Tim Robbins) uses in The Shawshank Redemption), I've concluded that we'd gain nothing by doing that. More likely, we'd be blamed for those Korans being damaged as well.
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Only The Lurker Knows Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:38:45pm |
re: #24 College is GOOD you asshat.
Charles, I saw this today, via buzz feed. Old mug shots of the 1900's.
You might want to check this guy out. 4th one down.
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]
4th guy down.
Damn Charles, you are even older than I thought. :-)
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McSpiff Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:38:48pm |
re: #25 Dark_Falcon
Short Answer: They were given Korans because the US has a long-standing tradition of allowing prisoners to possess their religion's holy book. Even prisoners in super-max are allowed a Bible (or Koran or other as appropriate). To do otherwise has long been seen as unjust and denying that person the opportunity to use their faith to become a better person.
Though I have though we should perhaps show some of the Korans that were so desecrated in the past (the same sort of thing as hollowed-out Bibles such as the one Andy Dufrane (Tim Robbins) uses in The Shawshank Redemption), I've concluded that we'd gain nothing by doing that. More likely, we'd be blamed for those Korans being damaged as well.
Reasonable and well considered post. I like it!
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austin_blue Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:38:57pm |
re: #22 William Barnett-Lewis
I like his books (though probably Gibson's a bit more) but I missed my chance for the one guy I'd have gone fanboy on. Maybe in the next life...
Bruce is in town until the end of SXSW. You may bump into him and Jasmina. personable folk.
Oh, and generally I like both Gibson's and Stephenson's long-form books better than Sterling's. I thinks he is a better writer of short -> moderate length fiction. Read Taklamakan and be awed.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:39:25pm |
Beautiful day for a long walk. Discovered some outstanding loquats.
One thing I've noticed compared to last year is an increase is for-sale signs on properties. However, I've also noticed lots of properties which have not been maintained properly, and came across one tonight in which the mortgage holder (BofA) had covered the door with a "vacancy" notice - apparently an abandoned property.
All of this in a neighborhood with house prices well above the national average - i.e., "nice" neighborhoods.
It strikes me as amazingly hollow the course of current American political discourse which cannot deal with this systematic problem - the real estate bubble and financial distress. Few politicians are willing to tell the truth (and that includes President Obama), because the truth will hurt the egos of many, many people.
In other words, our eyes are bigger than our wallets.
We build for ourselves grandiose faux mansions with faux fixings and faux landscaping (e.g., Astroturf), all of it being sold by real estate salesmen with a promise of magickal value appreciation and thus the borrowers won't have to worry about a debt far, far too large for their income.
Someone's got to call our society on itself for the lies it is selling each and every one of us, and the current President and wanna-be candidates are not it.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:42:34pm |
I assume most of you know who I am talking about.
Here's an account of how the Saudis carried on when they seized the city of Taif in 1802. It's taken the compilation Advice for the Muslim, edited by the Turkish scholar Hilmi Isik and published by Hakikat Kitabevi in Istanbul:
The Wahhabis tore up the copies of the Koran . . . and other Islamic books they took from libraries, mosques and houses, and threw them down on the ground. They made sandals from the gold-gilded leather covers of the Koran and other books and wore them on their filthy feet. There were verses of the Koran and other sacred writings on those leather covers. The pages of those valuable books thrown around were so numerous that there was no space to step in the streets of Taif. . . . The Wahhabi bandits, who were gathered from the deserts for looting and who did not know the Koran, tore up all the copies they found and stamped on them. Only three copies of the Koran were saved from the plunder of a major town, Taif.
This pisses me off so fucking much. If that Saudi Snake tries to give me crap ever again, I will mention this to him. I will make it clear he comes from a nation that calls itself Muslim, but destroys more Qurans than anyone else. The Saudi Family/Wahhabs are absolutely awful. Everytime I take a closer look, the worse it gets.
re: #25 Dark_Falcon
I like your response. I just think that anyone in the Taliban is beyond redemption. They will be consigned to hell, and deserve no mercy for their atrocities and genocides. They will get the bare minimum humane treatment, but that's it.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:42:35pm |
re: #21 Daniel Ballard
It's not done yet. I have shot maybe 20% of it. Mixed time lapse and HD video. Locations include Mt Baldy, Griffith Observatory and Mt Wilson observatory. Oh and a trip to Arizona to get the monsoon clouds building in time lapse. And I get to rent and use a steadycam or glidecam. Or rather LWC does. We hope to finish by fall a couple months after the Arizona location shoot. Production is a bit slow due to financing this straight out of my own pocket.
If you can slap together a passable trailer you might try posting it to reddit. They love that kind of stuff there. Great source for viral marketing.
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Interesting Times Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:43:48pm |
re: #30 freetoken
Someone's got to call our society on itself for the lies it is selling each and every one of us
As you said earlier, people like to be told lies that make them feel good. Conversely, they hate to be told truths that make them feel bad.
How would you suggest combating such a fundamental and formidable flaw of human nature?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:45:25pm |
re: #30 freetoken
Beautiful day for a long walk. Discovered some outstanding loquats.
One thing I've noticed compared to last year is an increase is for-sale signs on properties. However, I've also noticed lots of properties which have not been maintained properly, and came across one tonight in which the mortgage holder (BofA) had covered the door with a "vacancy" notice - apparently an abandoned property.
All of this in a neighborhood with house prices well above the national average - i.e., "nice" neighborhoods.
It strikes me as amazingly hollow the course of current American political discourse which cannot deal with this systematic problem - the real estate bubble and financial distress. Few politicians are willing to tell the truth (and that includes President Obama), because the truth will hurt the egos of many, many people.
In other words, our eyes are bigger than our wallets.
We build for ourselves grandiose faux mansions with faux fixings and faux landscaping (e.g., Astroturf), all of it being sold by real estate salesmen with a promise of magickal value appreciation and thus the borrowers won't have to worry about a debt far, far too large for their income.
Someone's got to call our society on itself for the lies it is selling each and every one of us, and the current President and wanna-be candidates are not it.
My fat lesbian neighbor is being foreclosed on. She's quite upset about it. It's a shame what we've done to ourselves but even worse that we're not done yet. Much more stupidity to follow.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:48:12pm |
re: #32 Killgore Trout
That's coming. I did have a pal set up a facebook fan page for it, I have really rough tiny bit up now.
[Link: www.facebook.com...]
I may go the kickstarter route to get some gear for the Griffith shoot.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:48:21pm |
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:50:25pm |
re: #19 ProGunLiberal
I think I may have missed it.
Repost from last thread:
Yeah, the first iteration of Bulldozer hasn't lived up to the hype, but it still a serviceable, cost-effective option AFAIK, even more so with upcoming revisions. I was talking more about the A-series APUs, which is where AMD's processor fortunes may ultimately lie for their future in the consumer arena.
My brothers have laptops with AMD's low/midrange E-series APUs in them (1 Dell, 1 Toshiba); for what they are and what was paid for them (about 300-400 a piece), their performance isn't bad. The A-8 APUs are AMD's top-of-the-line in that segment; you get quad CPU cores and Radoen 65xx graphics baked-in for less than 150 bucks. The Gigabyte motherboards I saw at Newegg for the A-series APUs have good features and expandablity for a good price.
As an AMD user (Phenom II quad-core @ 3.5 GHz, 8 GB RAM, Radeon 4850 X2 [which, through sheer brute force, is still a serviceable video card over three years on]), I would highly recommend considering an AMD APU setup, if you want good performance for the dollar and aren't hung up on raw processor power.
Priced out a rig with a Cooler Master Gladiator 600 case, 850W power supply, AMD A8-3870K APU, Gigabyte GA-A75-UD4H motherboard, 8 gigs of RAM, a 120 GB SSD for the OS, a 2 TB hard drive for storage, and a Blu-ray reader/DVD burner combo drive; without a discrete video card, it came to about $810 (+ tax and S&H) or about $1050 (+ tax and S&H) with a discrete Radeon 6950 video card (1 GB).
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:50:47pm |
re: #31 ProGunLiberal
Everything that I continue to learn about these Wahhabist/Salafi assholes makes me hate them more and more. It's a more passive anger though than the Norwegian one.
This is what makes me want a repeat of the Ottoman-Saudi War, to stamp the Saudi Government and its evil supporters. This is something that makes me incredibly hawkish on them and other fanatics of their type.
Also, rather large boom outside my window.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:50:54pm |
re: #29 austin_blue
Bruce is in town until the end of SXSW. You may bump into him and Jasmina. personable folk.
Oh, and generally I like both Gibson's and Stephenson's long-form books better than Sterling's. I thinks he is a better writer of short -> moderate length fiction. Read Taklamakan and be awed.
Heh, I won't be there, alas. That is a good point on his shorter works - I remember Mirrorshades (red star, winter orbit) fondly. Islands in the Net was good too.
Makes me remember Mike Ford though, who I only ever knew through the web. "to absent friends".
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freetoken Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:52:10pm |
re: #33 Interesting Times
How would you suggest combating such an fundamental and formidable flaw of human nature?
We cannot be expected to "correct" this flaw, at least short of genetically engineering a new human.
Politicians are humans, and each human, each of us, have to decide every morning how we can live with ourselves. Some of us have more sensitive consciences than others, and will feel guilt or shame for doing "wrong" more than others.
Our politicians have to make choices - pander or tell the truth. The former is a way to gather quick supporters. But, I believe in the long wrong we respect those who tell us the truth more than those who lie to us. Problem is with our political system "accountability" is difficult, outside of the rather titillating areas of sexual misconduct which seems to have the power of outing and replacing politicians even when far deeper and damaging sins go unpunished.
How can any of us make a difference? I think we each have to make decisions for long term planning purposes, not short term gain. We can't make others follow us (unless they are our dependents), but individuals simply acting in wise ways will affect others around them. You can make a difference in a group by willfully going a different direction, and I think anybody has the ability to influence others.
As for me, I'm wrestling with what to do with my "golden years" now set before me, given Plan A and Plan B (and Plan C) didn't work out. If I get to Plan 9 I'll know I'm screwed.
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:52:10pm |
re: #38 ProGunLiberal
Everything that I continue to learn about these Wahhabist/Salafi assholes makes me hate them more and more. It's a more passive anger though than the Norwegian one.
This is what makes me want a repeat of the Ottoman-Saudi War, to stamp the Saudi Government and its evil supporters. This is something that makes me incredibly hawkish on them and other fanatics of their type.
Also, rather large boom outside my window.
You might be interested in this video: Saudi Sheikh weeping as he demands that Saudi Columnist Hamza Kashgari gets executed
Sheikh Nasser Al Omar pleads to the king that Saudi writer Hamza Kashgari gets executed for supposedly writing "shameful" comments about prophet Mohammed on Twitter.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:55:27pm |
re: #34 Killgore Trout
It's a shame what we've done to ourselves but even worse that we're not done yet. Much more stupidity to follow.
The real estate shakeout is nowhere near done yet. It still has the possibility of generating some real heartache for this country.
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Interesting Times Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:55:28pm |
re: #40 freetoken
We can't make others follow us (unless they are our dependents), but individuals simply acting in wise ways will affect others around them. You can make a difference in a group by willfully going a different direction, and I think anybody has the ability to influence others.
Excellent point, which segues rather nicely into another item I was just about to post:
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:57:48pm |
re: #44 Interesting Times
Excellent point, which segues rather nicely into another item I was just about to post:
That story dripped of snark ;-P
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:58:58pm |
re: #41 Gus
I am mildly curious what this Journalist said to get the Saudis all pissy.
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:02:32pm |
re: #46 ProGunLiberal
I am mildly curious what this Journalist said to get the Saudis all pissy.
• On your birthday, I will say that I have loved the rebel in you, that you've always been a source of inspiration to me, and that I do not like the halos of divinity around you. I shall not pray for you.
• On your birthday, I find you wherever I turn. I will say that I have loved aspects of you, hated others, and could not understand many more.
• On your birthday, I shall not bow to you. I shall not kiss your hand. Rather, I shall shake it as equals do, and smile at you as you smile at me. I shall speak to you as a friend, no more.
Astonishingly mild.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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jaunte Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:03:11pm |
Heartland Funding Disinformation Echo Chamber
Here is an organization that, after 10 days has still not found time to authenticate the documents that it broadcast (stupidly) to Dr. Peter Gleick. (Check the emails on the Fakegate site; Gleick wrote and said, "Could you please add … this personal emai address to to the Board mailing list for all future Board communications?" and the credulous staff at Heartland said, sure. Say what you will about the ethical questions surrounding Gleick's actions, this was not exactly a sophisticated hack.)
Yet, in less than a week, it picked the its favourite meme "fakegate," and ran up an entire website including everything from a section dedicated to inciting people to harass Heartland critics to a solicitation for funding for Heartland's "legal defence."
Funny, people usually only need a legal defence is someone has sued them - or if they have done something illegal. Is there something we're missing?
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:03:40pm |
re: #46 ProGunLiberal
I found what what he said. It seems more a statement of doubt.
I take the position of the Association of British Muslims:
On February 12, the Association of British Muslims called for King Abdullah to drop any charges laid against Kashgari, stating "Thought crime is no crime at all, ... Any state enforced penalty for perceived blasphemy runs contrary to the true spirit of Islam, and of our Prophet, peace be upon him, who was compassionate even to those who scorned him. ... No one should be legally prosecuted, imprisoned or detained for simply expressing themselves."
The Saudi Family and their little snake followers can go and play "Hide and Go Fuck Yourself."
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:07:47pm |
re: #49 ProGunLiberal
I found what what he said. It seems more a statement of doubt.
I take the position of the Association of British Muslims:
The Saudi Family and their little snake followers can go and play "Hide and Go Fuck Yourself."
I seriously doubt that SA will execute him (state sanctioned murder). Sheikh Nasser Al Omar is a nutcase.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:08:14pm |
re: #50 Gus
I'm less optimistic than you.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:08:31pm |
I'm sure this is at the top of everybody's reading list:
Inhofe writes book on 'hoax' of global warming
U.S. Sen. Jim Inhofe years ago declared man-made global warming a hoax and more recently declared victory over his opponents in that long-running debate.
Still, the Oklahoma Republican believes his work is not done.
Next week, the senator said his plans for the book's introduction include interviews with several broadcast personalities known for being on the other side of the debate.
Published by WND Books, which described it as a coup de grace to the global-warming movement, the book is titled "The Greatest Hoax," with the subtitle "How the Global Warming Conspiracy Threatens Your Future."
[...]
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austin_blue Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:12:34pm |
Charles, you'll love this.
Lady Gaga via Fugue Bachination:
[Link: video.search.yahoo.com...]
Thank She Who Must Be Obeyed for referring this to me. Harpists rule.
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Interesting Times Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:13:13pm |
re: #50 Gus
I seriously doubt that SA will execute him (state sanctioned murder). Sheikh Nasser Al Omar is a nutcase.
Apropos description of such types:
.@MrSmolin on Santorum: Religious extremists commit the greatest blasphemy of all: They think God needs their help.
— Steve Silberman (@stevesilberman) February 25, 2012
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:13:42pm |
re: #54 Interesting Times
I'm taking that.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:16:37pm |
re: #37 talon_262
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:16:46pm |
re: #44 Interesting Times
Excellent point, which segues rather nicely into another item I was just about to post:
I want to be one of those little kite flying white boys.....
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austin_blue Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:17:00pm |
re: #54 Interesting Times
Apropos description of such types:
Well, yeah, as famously noted on this Board (Lidane? Was it you?) Santorum is Torquemada in a Sweater Vest. Trademark that shit!
As a retired Catholic, that's a beautiful and appropriate description.
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:18:29pm |
re: #51 ProGunLiberal
I'm less optimistic than you.
I find being optimistic in these cases helps maintain my sanity. I'm going to remain optimistic with the Saudis. They would have much to lose if they execute Hamza Kashgari not only for their own people but Islam at large. Executing him on blasphemy charges would only feed into a stereotype. I think the Saudis are bigger than this. Executing him is something that the Taliban would do. There is hope for Kashgari.
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Only The Lurker Knows Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:19:52pm |
Night Lizards. May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you and those you love.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:20:48pm |
re: #59 Gus
I tend pessimistic if I am in a bad mood. I am right now, for various reasons.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:22:18pm |
More evidence that Friedman really doesn't know anything about the subjects upon which he often writes:
Too much to unpack here, but Friedman is no more near the truth than Newt Gingrich.
He perpetuates (others') lies about the US having a 'surplus' of "oil" (a term not properly defined), about the US being an exporter, etc.
Just stupid.
Just like in real estate, the inability to tell the truth - which in this case can be verified by the statistics kept by the EIA - is going to do us in.
Again, NYT's fave Friedman is just as delusional as Newt Gingrich. It's only for the sake of political theater that one is assigned to the "left" and the other to the "right".
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:23:40pm |
re: #61 ProGunLiberal
I tend pessimistic if I am in a bad mood. I am right now, for various reasons.
Whatever works for you works best. ;) Myself I have to temper my rage and I do that by looking for a best possible outcome.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:23:50pm |
re: #50 Gus
I seriously doubt that SA will execute him (state sanctioned murder). Sheikh Nasser Al Omar is a nutcase.
This is the Saudi's. They execute people faster than Texas or even China. I'd put even money he's in the ground before the end of the year.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:23:56pm |
re: #56 ProGunLiberal
Depends; if you're wanting to build a balls-to-the-wall rig where money is no problem, no. For me, though, it is; I go for the best bang for the buck.
That AMD APU rig I quoted you is something that I'd build for myself if I had the funds; relatively inexpensive, with headroom to upgrade.
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:24:14pm |
re: #64 William Barnett-Lewis
This is the Saudi's. They execute people faster than Texas or even China. I'd put even money he's in the ground before the end of the year.
100 bucks? ;)
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:25:51pm |
re: #58 austin_blue
Well, yeah, as famously noted on this Board (Lidane? Was it you?) Santorum is a Falangist Torquemada in a Sweater Vest. Trademark that shit!
As a retired Catholic, that's a beautiful and appropriate description.
Just a slight addition from the home of several members of The Lincoln Brigade.
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Interesting Times Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:26:04pm |
re: #64 William Barnett-Lewis
This is the Saudi's. They execute people faster than Texas or even China.
...when no one is looking and no one cares. A fierce-enough firestorm of bad publicity might have an (albeit small) possibility of making them back down in this specific case.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:26:33pm |
re: #61 ProGunLiberal
Part of it is the relationship thing. Seeing so many people around me engaged and in relationships is lowing my own mood. Mostly out of fear that the combo of being Aspie and Muslim has dwindled the number of potential people down to "i", if you get the math meaning of the term.
And alot of it is being worn down by the family issues (Grandfather's health is failing, the stuff with Dad). I'm just emotionally weakening. Islam's greatest gift to me is giving me an emotional floor, so I don't contemplate suicide.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:26:40pm |
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:27:44pm |
re: #70 William Barnett-Lewis
To your prefered charity?
I might be chickening out right about now. :)
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:28:27pm |
re: #71 Gus
Something about betting on a person's life seems very, very, very wrong.
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:29:03pm |
re: #72 ProGunLiberal
Something about betting on a person's life seems very, very, very wrong.
Good point.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:30:58pm |
re: #68 Interesting Times
...when no one is looking and no one cares. A fierce-enough firestorm of bad publicity might have an (albeit small) possibility of making them back down in this specific case.
The fact that the Indonesian government was complicit in sending him back, tried to falsely pin it on Interpol (when they had nothing to do with it), and nothing was noted of it in their immigration records pisses me off even more.
Theocratic good ol' boys scratching each other's backs...
*spit*
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:31:01pm |
re: #72 ProGunLiberal
Something about betting on a person's life seems very, very, very wrong.
That is why I was pointing back to a charity, though you're right.
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Digital Display Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:31:41pm |
It's NBA all star weekend.. I really like this time of year..Durant lost to Love in the 3 point shooting contest...So far..The music is lame...
The dunk contest will suck.. Nobody does it anymore.. No more MJ dunks folks..Everybody can't seem to figure out why the Dunk Contest sucks any more..Boo-Hoo! Dear NBA..Offer a million dollar prize and you will see the most awesome dunks in the world
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:33:34pm |
re: #74 talon_262
Malyasia, not Indonesia.
Indonesia has it's own issues, but this isn't one of them.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:34:32pm |
And I can't let the day end without yet another letter to the editor in some fine news outlet somewhere in this great land:
Science priests can be wrong in creation debate
I support the former science teacher in her faith in science ("Creationism: Shouldn't be taught in school," Your Views). The problem is not with science but with the scientific community.
Every generation looks back to correct the errors of its predecessors. A scientist 100 years ago would have said the universe had no beginning, is infinite and unchanging. Now, the converse is true. [No, not really, these issues are still discussed.]
A scientist may believe there is no God, but if stated as fact, he is not behaving scientifically. He is creating a postulate that is not provable by scientific method.
The writer calls the teaching of creationism "scientifically false." What experiment can be performed to disprove historical accounts? She addresses "evolution" of bacteria. Resistance is more about natural selection (the process of adaptation within a species) than evolution. The capacity to survive the antibiotic is already present in a small number. These fittest bugs survive to create a stronger species, but not a different one.
The letter writer says the Bible is not a scientific textbook. True. But that does not make it inconsistent with science. She calls it "myth, legend and history" -- value judgments outside the scope of science.
There is ample basis to hold current theories of origins with suspicion. Irreducible complexities within cells, the statistical improbability of life and the sheer necessity of intelligent design logically support a theistic viewpoint. If God is, and he has acted, how foolish to exclude his role from discussion.
L. Clark Simpson
Birmingham
Nothing quite like assuming the answer to show that the answer is true, eh?
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:35:08pm |
re: #68 Interesting Times
...when no one is looking and no one cares. A fierce-enough firestorm of bad publicity might have an (albeit small) possibility of making them back down in this specific case.
Precisely. It's above the radar now. In recent cases the Saudis have erred on the side of, well, I guess we can call it reason.
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:39:45pm |
re: #78 freetoken
And I can't let the day end without yet another letter to the editor in some fine news outlet somewhere in this great land:
Science priests can be wrong in creation debate
Nothing quite like assuming the answer to show that the answer is true, eh?
Science priests. Now where have I heard that one before? Thinking.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:39:52pm |
re: #77 ProGunLiberal
Malyasia, not Indonesia.
Indonesia has it's own issues, but this isn't one of them.
Damn, you're right...still, the way the Malaysian government just shipped Kashgari right back off to, at the very least, a certain lengthy prison sentence where guilt is established before he even gets a trial for apostasy is seriously fucked up.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:40:41pm |
re: #82 talon_262
Same point, different country.
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jaunte Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:42:14pm |
re: #78 freetoken
The letter writer says the Bible is not a scientific textbook. True. But that does not make it inconsistent with science. She calls it "myth, legend and history" -- value judgments outside the scope of science.
Maybe the writer didn't do that well in English class either.
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:44:45pm |
Climate change science is always changing and readjusting. Correcting in some cases as well. It's not as massive as critics would have you think.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:47:46pm |
re: #81 Gus
Speaking of priests... here is another open tab I've got with an interesting little story:
1,500-year-old handwritten Bible includes depiction of Last Supper
A Bible [technically I think it is a "gospel" as it sounds like it is just one book] that is currently being kept in a museum in Ankara and is thought to be 1,500 years old includes a drawing of the Last Supper, media reports said on Friday.
On Thursday Culture and Tourism Minister Ertuğrul Günay confirmed reports that a 1,500-year-old Bible that was discovered by police during an anti-smuggling operation in 2000 is being kept in Ankara today.
A smuggling gang was reportedly convicted of smuggling various items seized during the operation, including the Bible, and all the artifacts were kept in a safe at an Ankara courthouse. The Bible, which was reportedly kept at the courthouse for years, was only recently handed over to the care of the Ethnography Museum of Ankara.
The 52-page Bible is written in Aramaic, the language Jesus spoke. The depiction of the Last Supper shows Jesus dining with his 12 Apostles.
The handwritten Bible also includes a depiction of the crucifixion of Jesus, a symbol of the sun and a cross. There is also a depiction of a cave and a large rock in the Bible that are thought to be the grave of Jesus.
The Bible will be sent abroad for examination where carbon dating will used to determine the book’s actual age. Zülküf Yılmaz, head of the General Directorate of Museums and Cultural Assets, said the Bible was entrusted to the judiciary in 2003 and only sent to the Ethnography Museum several weeks ago. Regarding claims that the book could in fact be the Gospel of Barnabas, Yılmaz said: “I have seen such claims in the media. I hope that is the case.” The Gospel of Barnabas contradicts the canonical New Testament account of Jesus and his ministry but has strong parallels with the Islamic view of Jesus. Much of its content and themes are in line with Islamic ideas, and it includes a prediction by Jesus of the Prophet Muhammad coming to earth.
Yılmaz added that the Bible would be put on public display after restoration.
If it really is a 1500 year old version of the Gospel of Barnabas then this would be a big find. While it would no doubt still be psuedepigraphic if it indeed has contents that paint a Jesus more similar to the one in the Koran it would be a monumental find, as it would pre-date the Koran.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:51:29pm |
As the Wikipedia link which I put in the previous post describes, many people confuse the Gospel of Barnabas with the Epistle of Barnabas. I forgot about that... and now that I think about it the book in Turkey would more likely be a version of the Epistle of Barnabas - an important work as it is probably the oldest existing Christian document that is non-canonical.
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:52:13pm |
re: #86 freetoken
Speaking of priests... here is another open tab I've got with an interesting little story:
1,500-year-old handwritten Bible includes depiction of Last Supper
If it really is a 1500 year old version of the Gospel of Barnabas then this would be a big find. While it would no doubt still be psuedepigraphic if it indeed has contents that paint a Jesus more similar to the one in the Koran it would be a monumental find, as it would pre-date the Koran.
I like the carbon dating aspect. Lending the science based on an element nearly 60,000 years old (beyond Genesis) and providing a bit of chuckle when considering the context. It would certainly be the oldest texts of "the greatest story ever told."
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:53:41pm |
psuedepigraphic
Nice. I didn't know that one. I'm still trying to say it.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:53:48pm |
re: #88 Gus
I gather it is standard practice to use carbon dating on all old writings that involve organic matter.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:57:58pm |
re: #90 freetoken
I gather it is standard practice to use carbon dating on all old writings that involve organic matter.
If the Churches allow it. The Shroud of Turin has been dated and found to be a fake, for example, but the Catholic church still withholds official opinion one way or the other, presumably since it is a useful piece of propaganda.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:01:49pm |
re: #86 freetoken
This could be a minor boon to Turkey. Get a heavily guarded Museum, and now who get some more Tourist Money.
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:05:12pm |
In space, no one can hear you scream.
"NASA Cassini Image: The Plumes of Enceladus"
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Kragar Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:09:45pm |
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:09:56pm |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:13:30pm |
Saudi Sheikh weeping as he demands that Saudi Columnist Hamza Kashgari gets executed
Sheikh Nasser Al Omar pleads to the king that Saudi writer Hamza Kashgari gets executed for supposedly writing "shameful" comments about prophet Mohammed on Twitter.
Got 99 problems and a wingnut ain't one.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:14:35pm |
re: #31 ProGunLiberal
I assume most of you know who I am talking about.
Here's an account of how the Saudis carried on when they seized the city of Taif in 1802. It's taken the compilation Advice for the Muslim, edited by the Turkish scholar Hilmi Isik and published by Hakikat Kitabevi in Istanbul:
This pisses me off so fucking much. If that Saudi Snake tries to give me crap ever again, I will mention this to him. I will make it clear he comes from a nation that calls itself Muslim, but destroys more Qurans than anyone else. The Saudi Family/Wahhabs are absolutely awful. Everytime I take a closer look, the worse it gets.
I like your response. I just think that anyone in the Taliban is beyond redemption. They will be consigned to hell, and deserve no mercy for their atrocities and genocides. They will get the bare minimum humane treatment, but that's it.
Don't think like that. No man is beyond redemption while his soul is still on this mortal plain (no woman either, to be clear). It is well and just to hate the Taliban, but one must still hope its members forsake their evil beliefs and find salvation. Hell exists, yet we must never be pleased that someone ended up there. My perspective is admittedly a Christian one, rather than a Muslim one, but I think it still valid.
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austin_blue Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:16:59pm |
re: #78 freetoken
And I can't let the day end without yet another letter to the editor in some fine news outlet somewhere in this great land:
Science priests can be wrong in creation debate
Nothing quite like assuming the answer to show that the answer is true, eh?
Well, that's the problem, isn't it? Science is based on the ability to prove/disprove a theory. Creationism/Intelligent Design is based on the holes that have not been documented. Unfortunately for them, the holes of twenty years ago have been mostly closed. They are now desperately seeking more and more esoteric holes in the body of data that fits their religious beliefs. Eventually, these data holes will be filled by science.
What will they do then?
I'll bet they will note the presence of God as the prime mover, without *any* data supporting it and claim that they've won. And the 50% of people in the US who do not believe in evolution will be content.
What can we do to influence the left side of the bell curve?
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:19:26pm |
re: #100 Killgore Trout
Saudi Sheikh weeping as he demands that Saudi Columnist Hamza Kashgari gets executed
[Embedded content]Got 99 problems and a wingnut ain't one.
No mercy. "That is the way of our religion" (the last words uttered, and not by the actor, but quoted of the biggest actor).//
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freetoken Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:20:14pm |
re: #103 austin_blue
Eventually, these data holes will be filled by science.
What will they do then?
The same thing they're doing now.
As for filling the holes, genetics has pretty much done that wrt human origins and the story of Adam and Eve. That's why I've been posting on the Adam/Eve/genetics stuff - it's pretty much a closed book, so much so that Evangelicals who work in the field of genetics are doing back-flips to create new narratives to help their less-educated brethren deal with the truth (e.g., Biologos' numerous postings.)
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:20:27pm |
re: #100 Killgore Trout
Saudi Sheikh weeping as he demands that Saudi Columnist Hamza Kashgari gets executed
[Embedded content]Got 99 problems and a wingnut ain't one.
You gotta be faster!
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Interesting Times Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:23:09pm |
re: #100 Killgore Trout
Saudi Sheikh weeping as he demands that Saudi Columnist Hamza Kashgari gets executed
[Embedded content]Got 99 problems and a wingnut ain't one.
Au contraire - wingnuts, Saudi version, are the source of his problems in the first place.
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:23:34pm |
re: #107 Interesting Times
Au contraire - wingnuts, Saudi version, are the source of his problems in the first place.
There is that.
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austin_blue Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:24:44pm |
re: #105 freetoken
The same thing they're doing now.
As for filling the holes, genetics has pretty much done that wrt human origins and the story of Adam and Eve. That's why I've been posting on the Adam/Eve/genetics stuff - it's pretty much a closed book, so much so that Evangelicals who work in the field of genetics are doing back-flips to create new narratives to help their less-educated brethren deal with the truth (e.g., Biologos' numerous postings.)
How are they spinning the fact that Homo arose through a series of different genomes?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:25:35pm |
I was in the middle of writing a big long screed about religious freedom in the schools when I decided: Nah.
I did find this interesting article. It appears that in Canada, a class that teaches about other religions will remain mandatory.
As long as the class is taught by a neutral teacher, fine. Have faith in your faith that it will stand up well to comparison.
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Interesting Times Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:26:32pm |
re: #109 austin_blue
How are they spinning the fact that Homo arose through a series of different genomes?
"genomes" are just a theory from librul elitist college-indoctrinated snobs.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:27:59pm |
re: #103 austin_blue
If God is, and he has acted, how foolish to exclude his role from discussion.
(from the link)
Indeed. How foolish to exclude so fallible and vain and selfish and arrogant and petty a being from a discussion regarding the need, no, the desire, to worship such a being.
(methinks there are too many atheist here to make this very interesting)
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:28:57pm |
re: #111 Gus
Sheikh Nasser Al Omar does not speak for all Muslims.
No, but he speaks for a sufficient number of Muslims to be dangerous: The Salafists who, though small in terms of percentage of the population, are still numerous enough in absolute terms to be great dangerous to everyone else.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:29:03pm |
re: #103 austin_blue
What can we do to influence the left side of the bell curve?
Selective breeding?//
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:29:16pm |
re: #114 Gus
And the Afghani protesters don't speak for all Muslims.
There isn't any Muslim that speaks for all Muslims, is there?
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:29:26pm |
re: #115 Dark_Falcon
No, but he speaks for a sufficient number of Muslims to be dangerous: The Salafists who, though small in terms of percentage of the population, are still numerous enough in absolute terms to be great dangerous to everyone else.
True but glass half full.
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:30:20pm |
re: #117 To hold my temper, most of the time.
There isn't any Muslim that speaks for all Muslims, is there?
Many people seem to think so.
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:31:13pm |
We have to resist judging others based on the actions of a few. And sometimes that few numbers in the millions.
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austin_blue Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:31:21pm |
re: #113 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
(from the link)
Indeed. How foolish to exclude so fallible and vain and selfish and arrogant and petty a being from a discussion regarding the need, no, the desire, to worship such a being.
(methinks there are too many atheist here to make this very interesting)
Well, I'm a happy Deist, so I'm out of the brawl.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:31:48pm |
re: #109 austin_blue
How are they spinning the fact that Homo arose through a series of different genomes?
About which "they" are you asking?
The creationists deny it ever happened in the first place.
The theistic evolutionists are resorting to one of two models: (1) the mythological narrative of Genesis is there to describe Israel's origin - this is the standard accepted explanation by mainline churches; and (2) for those who don't want to accept Genesis stories as mostly myth the idea of Homo divinus is introduced, as a special subset of the Homo population, being a sub-population in which some sort of self-awareness and the existence of God comes about, and thus "Adam" and "Eve" were the first two recognized in this sub-population.
Yeah, the latter option fails Ockham's razor massively... but some theistic evolutionists are going with it.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:35:29pm |
re: #111 Gus
Sheikh Nasser Al Omar does not speak for all Muslims.
He speaks for all those rioting in Afghanistan now.
Your point is understood, but Christianity has been able to break, in large part, with this kind of literalist ignorance. If decent Muslims, and there are many, wish to really distance themselves from this kind of perversion they need a theological separation with meaning. One that will likely call for their death.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:36:38pm |
re: #121 austin_blue
Well, I'm a happy Deist, so I'm out of the brawl.
So, what days do you celebrate the flying spaghetti monster?
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:38:23pm |
re: #123 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
He speaks for all those rioting in Afghanistan now.
Your point is understood, but Christianity has been able to break, in large part, with this kind of literalist ignorance. If decent Muslims, and there are many, wish to really distance themselves from this kind of perversion they need a theological separation with meaning. One that will likely call for their death.
They already have called for his death. But you still can't make an overall assessment with 100% certainty. And they already are distancing themselves as PLL pointed out. We have to temper ourselves however. We can't judge them anymore than those on foreign soil that would judge us by the words of the great Santorum. Or would we?
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jaunte Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:38:29pm |
re: #123 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
...Christianity has been able to break, in large part, with this kind of literalist ignorance.
In large part, with some prominent holdouts.
"I don't think there is such a thing," he said of Obama as a liberal Christian. "To take what is plainly written and say that 'I don't agree with that, therefore I don't have to pay attention to it,' means you're not what you say you are. You're a liberal something, but you're not a Christian."
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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Kragar Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:40:24pm |
re: #119 Gus
Many people seem to think so.
Remember, one Muslim represents all Muslims, but Christians are all lone wolves.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:40:46pm |
re: #125 Gus
They already have called for his death. But you still can't make an overall assessment with 100% certainty. And they already are distancing themselves as PLL pointed out. We have to temper ourselves however. We can't judge them anymore than those on foreign soil that would judge us by the words of the great Santorum. Or would we?
We can judge, and we always do right here. If we don't we are nothing.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:40:49pm |
re: #123 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
He speaks for all those rioting in Afghanistan now.
Your point is understood, but Christianity has been able to break, in large part, with this kind of literalist ignorance.
Christianity didn't do it. The Enlightenment and secularism did it. And even now, I don't see how you can claim Christianity has broken with it when we have so many literal creationists in the US.
Moderate Muslims who live in secular societies behave basically the same way moderate Christians in secular societies do.
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:40:53pm |
There's a lot at play in Afghanistan. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some atheists in those protests. Things are more complicated than they seem. Humans work like organism even on a social level. There are secular reasons for many things including those masked in religion.
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:41:56pm |
re: #128 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
We can judge, and we always do right here. If we don't we are nothing.
OK. Nothing wrong with that. You have a right to express yourself as well. I'm making an obvious point here I reckon.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:44:10pm |
re: #131 Gus
OK. Nothing wrong with that. You have a right to express yourself as well. I'm making an obvious point here I reckon.
You have the right to express yourself, and I have the right to point out if I think you are wrong. Then you have the right to point out that I am wrong. Then I express myself on the matter, possibly involving hand puppets and quotation of Ancient Sumerian scripture, and you can reply through interpretive dance if you wish.
I love this country.
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:45:17pm |
re: #132 To hold my temper, most of the time.
You have the right to express yourself, and I have the right to point out if I think you are wrong. Then you have the right to point out that I am wrong. Then I express myself on the matter, possibly involving hand puppets and quotation of Ancient Sumerian scripture, and you can reply through interpretive dance if you wish.
I love this country.
Yes. I can say...
God is dead.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:46:59pm |
re: #133 Gus
Yes. I can say...
God is dead.
Ah, then I can point out that "God" in the English language is a word that is defined differently in many different religions, and consequently this death is without definitive time and place.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:47:42pm |
re: #134 jaunte
Sumer is icumen in.
The ewe bleats after the lamb
The cow lows after the calf.
The bullock stirs, the stag farts,
Merrily sing, Cuckoo!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:49:26pm |
The ewe bleats after the lamb
Let me translate this out of Sheepese for you:
Get your furry little butt back over here! Did I say you could go over there and poke your nose into that dung pile? Did I? Don't look at me like that.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:55:05pm |
Scandinavian cuisine is becoming popular in the UK.
Why? They have awesome Indian, Pakistani, Carribean food. Why the hell is herring suddenly a great thing?
Scandinavians know their cuisine blows. Only the seafood is good and even then the best Scandinavian restaurants use French and Spanish techniques on their seafood.
This is like Absolut; it's a shit vodka in Sweden, that homeless people drink.
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Lidane Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:55:29pm |
re: #121 austin_blue
Well, I'm a happy Deist, so I'm out of the brawl.
And I'm a happy atheist. I've survived without church and without religion in my life for far longer than I ever had any faith. I like knowing that I don't answer to some "higher authority" trying to guilt and shame me into believing what they believe. That works for me. :)
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:56:55pm |
re: #129 Obdicut
Moderate Muslims who live in secular societies behave basically the same way moderate Christians in secular societies do.
What about moderate Muslims who live in theocratic Muslim societies?
They behave as they have to survive, but they still call themselves members of the same society that would kill them in the name of Allah, for obvious reasons. So what does that leave for the future?
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:57:37pm |
re: #140 Lidane
And I'm a happy atheist. I've survived without church and without religion in my life for far longer than I ever had any faith. I like knowing that I don't answer to some "higher authority" trying to guilt and shame me into believing what they believe. That works for me. :)
Proud to take responsibility for one's own evil, as well of that of the rest of the species rather than rely on a higher power to supply the impetus?
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Sheila Broflovski Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:58:57pm |
Reason #469845 why I hate New York and I will never live here:
It's 12:00 midnight and some asshole in the next apartment is playing the guitar--for crap.
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Lidane Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:59:31pm |
re: #142 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Proud to take responsibility for one's own evil, as well of that of the rest of the species rather than rely on a higher power to supply the impetus?
That too. I've made my mistakes and done the wrong thing. I'm not going to blame it on demons or Satan or whatever. I own that, just like I own doing my best to be a good person.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 25, 2012 8:59:58pm |
re: #141 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
What about moderate Muslims who live in theocratic Muslim societies?
They behave as they have to survive, but they still call themselves members of the same society that would kill them in the name of Allah, for obvious reasons. So what does that leave for the future?
No clue what you're asking.
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austin_blue Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:00:01pm |
re: #122 freetoken
About which "they" are you asking?
The creationists deny it ever happened in the first place.
The theistic evolutionists are resorting to one of two models: (1) the mythological narrative of Genesis is there to describe Israel's origin - this is the standard accepted explanation by mainline churches; and (2) for those who don't want to accept Genesis stories as mostly myth the idea of Homo divinus is introduced, as a special subset of the Homo population, being a sub-population in which some sort of self-awareness and the existence of God comes about, and thus "Adam" and "Eve" were the first two recognized in this sub-population.
Yeah, the latter option fails Ockham's razor massively... but some theistic evolutionists are going with it.
This is the problem I have always had with Theists. They continue to demand that God has always had his fingers in our genetic pie. If so, God is an incompetent Deity, in many ways. God is purported to be actively omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent.
But we, as a species, collectively suck. We are viscous killing machines who indulge in lording it over our fellow humans. On the other hand, we produce music, art and word that is beautiful beyond our apparent skills.
I see no Hand Of God in what we are.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:00:48pm |
re: #143 Learned Mother of Zion
A friend of mine told me tonight that all the hipsters are moving out of Brooklyn and moving to Detroit. I said if they really are, that they're going to last about five minutes.
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:01:47pm |
re: #141 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
What about moderate Muslims who live in theocratic Muslim societies?
They behave as they have to survive, but they still call themselves members of the same society that would kill them in the name of Allah, for obvious reasons. So what does that leave for the future?
But I thought we invaded Iraq for God and country.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:02:24pm |
re: #146 austin_blue
We are viscous killing machines who indulge in lording it over our fellow humans.
As well as over the rest of the planet. We're the ultimate hunters, destroyers of species, and we love it.
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Sheila Broflovski Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:02:46pm |
re: #147 Obdicut
A friend of mine told me tonight that all the hipsters are moving out of Brooklyn and moving to Detroit. I said if they really are, that they're going to last about five minutes.
Meh. I don't even live in Detroit, I live on the "other side" of 8 Mile.
We could use some hipsters in Detroit. I hear they tastes good and has tender buttocks.
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austin_blue Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:03:06pm |
re: #124 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
So, what days do you celebrate the flying spaghetti monster?
Every anti-Theist day is one of celebration, whatever the excuse. Although noodley appendages are a bonus.
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:03:12pm |
re: #146 austin_blue
This is the problem I have always had with Theists. They continue to demand that God has always had his fingers in our genetic pie. If so, God is an incompetent Deity, in many ways. God is purported to be actively omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent.
But we, as a species, collectively suck. We are viscous killing machines who indulge in lording it over our fellow humans. On the other hand, we produce music, art and word that is beautiful beyond our apparent skills.
I see no Hand Of God in what we are.
Sometimes I wish there was a God.
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:03:52pm |
re: #151 austin_blue
Every anti-Theist day is one of celebration, whatever the excuse. Although noodley appendages are a bonus.
Ah but I know the truth.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:04:13pm |
re: #139 Obdicut
Scandinavian cuisine is becoming popular in the UK.
Why? They have awesome Indian, Pakistani, Carribean food. Why the hell is herring suddenly a great thing?.
You must be kidding. Indian, Pakistani, Carribean food from Scandinavia? The former were prominent in London in the 70's.
Maybe it's marketing, and you got caught.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:04:44pm |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:04:46pm |
re: #152 Gus
Sometimes I wish there was a God.
I don't. It would truly be like a Twilight Zone episode then.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:06:38pm |
re: #148 Gus
But I thought we invaded Iraq for God and country.
No we didn't. Let's keep politics out of this and stick to gods.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:07:15pm |
re: #147 Obdicut
NO, NO, NO!
Hipsters would make Detroit worse. Again, I say have Detroit serve as city for refugees escaping Syria.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:07:16pm |
re: #153 Gus
Ah but I know the truth.
I'm sorry, but that's simply not possible. There's only One Truth™ and that would be mine, naturally. All others are just lies & delusions. //
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:07:29pm |
re: #157 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
No we didn't. Let's keep politics out of this and stick to gods.
I'll give it a shot.
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:08:27pm |
re: #159 CuriousLurker
I'm sorry, but that's simply not possible. There's only One Truth™ and that would be mine, naturally. All others are just lies & delusions. //
Yep. I was being sarcastic about men inventions and those that claim "to know the truth."
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Sheila Broflovski Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:08:36pm |
re: #158 ProGunLiberal
NO, NO, NO!
Hipsters would make Detroit worse. Again, I saw have Detroit serve as city for refugees escaping Syria.
That would be Dearborn.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:08:47pm |
re: #152 Gus
Sometimes I wish there was a God.
Translation: "I wish I was still suckling something soft and warm with not a care in the world, whatever that is."
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austin_blue Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:09:09pm |
re: #152 Gus
Sometimes I wish there was a God.
Me too. it's such a nice concept. A benevolent Deity who loves us. Helps us. Comforts us.
Too bad in the real world we have rampant rape, murder, war, disease, slavery, and senseless death.
Oh, God, Whereart Thou?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:09:35pm |
re: #149 freetoken
As well as over the rest of the planet. We're the ultimate hunters, destroyers of species, and we love it.
A predator must enjoy killing, at least to a certain extent, otherwise it will be unable to survive. And what is Homo Sapiens if not a predator species?
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:10:07pm |
re: #164 austin_blue
Me too. it's such a nice concept. A benevolent Deity who loves us. Helps us. Comforts us.
Too bad in the real world we have rampant rape, murder, war, disease, slavery, and senseless death.
Oh, God, Whereart Thou?
Taking lab notes and discussing the experiment with his assistants.
:p
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Sheila Broflovski Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:10:12pm |
It must be my lucky night. It only took me about 20 minutes to find a parking spot half a block from the building after I dropped off my daughter at her apartment.
Shit, the crappy guitar player has turned up the amps!
I hope the other neighbors beat the crap out of him.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:10:27pm |
re: #162 Learned Mother of Zion
Dearborn is too small. Detroit is right there, and has every sort of empty space.
Just get them in there. Dearborn can help those poor-shell shocked people join in the American Soup. Along with several Battalions of Psychotherapists.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:11:23pm |
re: #168 ProGunLiberal
Dearborn is too small. Detroit is right there, and has every sort of empty space.
Just get them in there. Dearborn can help those poor-shell shocked people join in the American Soup. Along with several Battalions of Psychotherapists.
Just make sure they can get summer cabins in the UP. The skeeters need fed too!
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freetoken Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:12:31pm |
Changing business models:
Los Angeles Times to begin charging for online access
[...]
Like other US newspapers, the Los Angeles Times has been grappling with declining print advertising revenue and falling circulation and seeking new sources of revenue.
[...]
I propose that it's not just the old newspaper business model that is failing, but our entire social structure is heaving under the burden of weight, weight from old ways of doing business, weight of old memes, the weight of old beliefs.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:12:34pm |
re: #159 CuriousLurker
I'm sorry, but that's simply not possible. There's only One Truth™ and that would be mine, naturally. All others are just lies & delusions. //
Now this is the truth. No need for sarc tags.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:12:40pm |
re: #169 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Skeeters?
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freetoken Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:13:24pm |
Hmmm... sounds like a good Page title: The Weight of Old Beliefs
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:13:57pm |
re: #158 ProGunLiberal
NO, NO, NO!
Hipsters would make Detroit worse. Again, I say have Detroit serve as city for refugees escaping Syria.
Hipsters might be better. The jobs created recently in Detroit are mostly high-tech jobs connected the auto industry. Those are jobs Americans have to do, because refugees cannot do them.
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dell*nix Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:14:38pm |
Just completed an exercise if futility. Finished writing my state and federal reps about the gop war on Planned Parenthood. Not going to do any good, but hey. Just remembered I forgot Perry. Off to insane land.
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:15:06pm |
re: #164 austin_blue
Me too. it's such a nice concept. A benevolent Deity who loves us. Helps us. Comforts us.
Too bad in the real world we have rampant rape, murder, war, disease, slavery, and senseless death.
Oh, God, Whereart Thou?
Precisely.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:16:04pm |
re: #174 Dark_Falcon
But their DAMN HIPSTERS!!
I'd much rather train a refugee than have hipsters move to Detroit. I fucking hate Hipster. About 80% as much as I hate a Salafi.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:16:50pm |
re: #158 ProGunLiberal
NO, NO, NO!
Hipsters would make Detroit worse. Again, I saw have Detroit serve as city for refugees escaping Syria.
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Lidane Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:17:22pm |
re: #174 Dark_Falcon
Hipsters might be better. The jobs created recently in Detroit are mostly high-tech jobs connected the auto industry. Those are jobs Americans have to do, because refugees cannot do them.
A lot of those jobs require a college degree, which we all know is a sign of liberal indoctrination.
Nope. Better leave those jobs for the Real Americans instead of the hipsters who most likely went to college. Can't let the higher education cabal ruin the American auto industry, after all.
///
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:17:59pm |
re: #159 CuriousLurker
Goodnight all, and CL, you're cool, even while incomprehensible.
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What, me worry? Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:18:08pm |
re: #164 austin_blue
Me too. it's such a nice concept. A benevolent Deity who loves us. Helps us. Comforts us.
Too bad in the real world we have rampant rape, murder, war, disease, slavery, and senseless death.
Oh, God, Whereart Thou?
You don't have to look too hard really. If you want Gd to make up your mind for you, tell you what to do and lead your life for you, you'll be constantly disappointed. That's not His job. That's your job.
Being created in His image means we were given a mind that can make those choices. We were given free will, something other non-human beings do not possess. That is the essence of Gd within us. Our brains, power of thought, speech, communication which also encompasses beauty, art, music. And also by helping and respecting each other, the planet and other life forms.
At any rate, this is where I see Gd.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:18:36pm |
re: #180 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
Goodnight all, and CL, you're cool, even while incomprehensible.
G'nite, Naso. Pleasant dreams. ;)
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:18:55pm |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:19:07pm |
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CuriousLurker Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:20:33pm |
re: #181 marjoriemoon
And I owe someone an email...TYLL, lizards!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:23:36pm |
Do you know what I wish? Do you know what I truly wish?
I wish my brilliant hare-brained daughter would learn that Big People take their keys and their licenses with them when they leave the house. They don't take them only if they plan on needing them, because they know that plans change, and it is best to be prepared.
We just spend twenty minutes dropping off and then picking up a car from the school. I get to go and get her at 2 am because of the aforementioned leaving home of the keys.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:24:32pm |
And a bigger Skeeter for Gus...
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:25:14pm |
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:25:27pm |
re: #17 ProGunLiberal
On one hand, that was unbelievably moronic that the military people in charge of this didn't think before they did anything.
...
This is why people say Military Intelligence is an oxymoron.
The Qurans were burned by contractors. This is another cluster-fuck brought to you by outsourcing. The actual military might, I'd like to think, have taken the five minutes to figure out the proper way of disposing of muslim holy texts and not burned them in a garbage pit. The fallout, both political and in terms of lives lost due to this incident will rival Blackwater's bloodbath at Nisour Square in Iraq.
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:25:51pm |
Excellent article by John Hellemann on the GOP:[Link: nymag.com...]
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Gus Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:26:17pm |
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:26:52pm |
re: #190 goddamnedfrank
This is why PMCs are awful shit, and their use by the US Government should be banned.
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What, me worry? Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:27:00pm |
re: #185 CuriousLurker
And I owe someone an email...TYLL, lizards!
Oh please stay. After the "Does God Exist" thread, we're planning on discussing the pros and cons of abortion! It's fun for the whole family!
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:29:06pm |
For a Computer case, which position for a Power Supply is better.
Top or Bottom?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:30:10pm |
re: #194 marjoriemoon
Oh please stay. After the "Does God Exist" thread, we're planning on discussing the pros and cons of abortion! It's fun for the whole family!
And then where the best pizza is to be bought!
And whether or not the English should give back the Elgin marbles.
And why are they called the Elgin marbles? What did Elgin have to do with them, other than moving them?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:34:05pm |
re: #195 ProGunLiberal
For a Computer case, which position for a Power Supply is better.
Top or Bottom?
Mr. EmmmieG says bottom, but only by a little bit. He builds all of our computers from parts. The one he's on right now he also designed the Motherboard.
I had to wait a second because His Caped crusaderness was killing thugs. The thugs were wearing black and orange jumpsuits, if that means anything to anyone.
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Lidane Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:34:09pm |
re: #195 ProGunLiberal
For a Computer case, which position for a Power Supply is better.
Top or Bottom?
I would think that all depends on the motherboard, CPU, RAM and cards that you're going to have in the computer. Go with whatever layout will be the cleanest so you minimize the clusterfuck of cables inside the case.
YMMV, of course.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:34:44pm |
re: #195 ProGunLiberal
For a Computer case, which position for a Power Supply is better.
Top or Bottom?
Bottom I'd think. Heat rises and you want to put the extractor fan where it can do the most good. As a secondary consideration power supplies are dense/heavy, and placing them on the bottom lowers the center of gravity of the whole unit.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:34:57pm |
re: #196 To hold my temper, most of the time.
At this point, the English have a foolproof strategy. They can say that they will only approve the bailout for Greece if Greece relinquishes all claims on the Elgin Marbles and other Greek Artifacts.
After the way Greece helped the Serbs turning the Bosnian Genocide, and the attacks on Kosovo, I want to see Greece have to pay for it. I want Greece thoroughly humiliated.
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kirkspencer Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:36:14pm |
re: #195 ProGunLiberal
For a Computer case, which position for a Power Supply is better.
Top or Bottom?
Either is mostly fine, and it depends.
I like top for mine for two reasons. First, it is less likely to pick up dust. Second, airflow (the way I'm set up) comes from a bottom fan, over the CPU, and into the power supply airstream. That means what hits the CPU isn't pre-heated.
On the other hand my brother likes bottom better. It puts the heaviest object at the bottom for center of gravity. And his opinion is that the heat from the PS not only isn't that much but is compensated by a cleaner airflow through the box.
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Digital Display Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:36:35pm |
re: #195 ProGunLiberal
For a Computer case, which position for a Power Supply is better.
Top or Bottom?
Oh dear Lord.. PGL will be a OU grad soon...Help us.. THE TOP! *wink*
The Top! We really need to talk! LOL
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:37:11pm |
re: #200 ProGunLiberal
At this point, the English have a foolproof strategy. They can say that they will only approve the bailout for Greece if Greece relinquishes all claims on the Elgin Marbles and other Greek Artifacts.
After the way Greece helped the Serbs turning the Bosnian Genocide, and the attacks on Kosovo, I want to see Greece have to pay for it. I want Greece thoroughly humiliated.
Well, personally, I don't care about the humiliation, but Greece hasn't been entirely stable for the last century or so. If I could pick up and move the Parthenon entirely, I would do it.
(All Greeks will now come after me.)
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:38:00pm |
re: #201 kirkspencer
See, I notice that there are many fewer cases for top than bottom right now.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:38:39pm |
re: #202 HoosierHoops
Well, you said something about the Cleveland County Democrats having meetings. When is the next one.
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kirkspencer Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:39:36pm |
re: #187 To hold my temper, most of the time. [EmmmieG]
Do you know what I wish? Do you know what I truly wish?
I wish my brilliant hare-brained daughter would learn that Big People take their keys and their licenses with them when they leave the house. They don't take them only if they plan on needing them, because they know that plans change, and it is best to be prepared.
We just spend twenty minutes dropping off and then picking up a car from the school. I get to go and get her at 2 am because of the aforementioned leaving home of the keys.
If it is any help at all, it took my daughter getting into college to learn that lesson. High school, not so much. Especially since she didn't have her own car.
annoyance? been there.
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What, me worry? Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:40:11pm |
re: #196 To hold my temper, most of the time.
And then where the best pizza is to be bought!
And whether or not the English should give back the Elgin marbles.And why are they called the Elgin marbles? What did Elgin have to do with them, other than moving them?
Oh dear, I am not learned in the way of Elgin marbles.
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austin_blue Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:41:23pm |
re: #194 marjoriemoon
Oh please stay. After the "Does God Exist" thread, we're planning on discussing the pros and cons of abortion! It's fun for the whole family!
Believe me, being a party to the abortion of a six week old embryo is not joyous, from a man's viewpoint. That could have been my son. But I am now 56 years old, married, and because my wife is a DES baby, childless.
I was seventeen at the time and neither one of us was in a position to raise a child. Her decision, I agreed, and our parents were aghast that we had done such a thing but agreed to the termination. I paid for it. Have I wondered? Sure. But it was the right choice at that time.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:41:30pm |
re: #203 To hold my temper, most of the time.
I like Turkey better. I just wish they would get past the paranoia and ultra-nationalism.
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kirkspencer Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:42:07pm |
re: #204 ProGunLiberal
See, I notice that there are many fewer cases for top than bottom right now.
Again - it really doesn't matter a lot for most of us, not unless you're packing fairly tight.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:42:42pm |
re: #207 marjoriemoon
Oh dear, I am not learned in the way of Elgin marbles.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Here, read up on an ongoing 200 year controversy.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:43:19pm |
re: #208 austin_blue
If I have a male child (assuming I haven't missed the boat with the person I mention alot or that I am lucky enough to find someone else), I have to hope, pray, and many other things that their genes would be able to override mine.
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Digital Display Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:43:35pm |
re: #205 ProGunLiberal
Well, you said something about the Cleveland County Democrats having meetings. When is the next one.
I got an email the other day..We missed the Chili cook-off last friday night.. I don't do the Friday night thing in Norman.. We will be doing a lunch on the West Side in March with a speaker.. I'll let you know the date soon.. I'll pay for you and your friends to come out...
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:45:15pm |
re: #212 ProGunLiberal
If I have a male child (assuming I haven't missed the boat with the person I mention alot or that I am lucky enough to find someone else), I have to hope, pray, and many other things that their genes would be able to override mine.
The young man I know with Asperberger's is currently expecting his first child. (Please note: I did not say he was pregnant. His wife is pregnant, therefore they are expecting.)
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:45:54pm |
re: #214 To hold my temper, most of the time.
If he was pregnant, I'd have questions.
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What, me worry? Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:46:03pm |
re: #208 austin_blue
Believe me, being a party to the abortion of a six week old embryo is not joyous, from a man's viewpoint. That could have been my son. But I am now 56 years old, married, and because my wife is a DES baby, childless.
I was seventeen at the time and neither one of us was in a position to raise a child. Her decision, I agreed, and our parents were aghast that we had done such a thing but agreed to the termination. I paid for it. Have I wondered? Sure. But it was the right choice at that time.
Pro and con was probably not the best phrasing. It's never pro. Sometimes, as you say, the right choice.
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austin_blue Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:47:12pm |
re: #216 marjoriemoon
Pro and con was probably not the best phrasing. It's never pro. Sometimes, as you say, the right choice.
Thank you!
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The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:48:04pm |
re: #123 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
He speaks for all those rioting in Afghanistan now.
Your point is understood, but Christianity has been able to break, in large part, with this kind of literalist ignorance. If decent Muslims, and there are many, wish to really distance themselves from this kind of perversion they need a theological separation with meaning. One that will likely call for their death.
Whether or not Christianity as a structure has actually "broken" with anything is debatable...but then again, so is whether Christianity has ever been one thing. The "civilizing" of Christianity has a lot to do with cultural changes caused by transformation of social structure and politics, especially the de-coupling of civil and religious law...not so much with expounded doctrine. In countries with infrastructure and secular authority, Christianity is impacted by what the government's monopoly of just authority and punishment. And even that's less black and white than a permeable membrane: the ugly tribal, superstitious aspects are just kept tamped down.
Go out into hinterlands where a church has more power as a central authority because of the diffusion or absence of secular power, and you'll see something very different. Look at what's happening in Africa with the power of charismatic preachers basically shielding them from prosecution: you've got churches with enforcers who harass and attack critics, administer punishments to the laity, and detain and imprison people for "exorcisms." Even in India, out in the rural countryside the Hindus avoid converted Christian villages because of the likelihood of being harassed, beaten, or forcibly converted.
Heck...look at where I live in the Midwest...the local Christian religion is all magic wards against Satan. A lot of my neighbors are afraid of my house because it's festooned with Hindu and Buddhist art--the Gautama out in the yard is occasionally vandalized; as is the Jewish cemetery down the road. I've dealt with a lot of ugliness, especially toward my mother, on the basis of our non-saved, corrupting influence, up to and including phone harassment. All of that, and we've never done anything against the local churches...we're just the outliers.
re: #141 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
What about moderate Muslims who live in theocratic Muslim societies?
They behave as they have to survive, but they still call themselves members of the same society that would kill them in the name of Allah, for obvious reasons. So what does that leave for the future?
They push back in small ways and live, push back in big ways and die, or they flee.
If they leave the society...then nothing changes in the place they call home. The people that opt to stay...as opposed to those that have no choice...want better things for the community around them...even for the stupid hateful people who put them in harms way to start with. That's what they're weighing: staying and pushing things by tiny, frustrating, increments...small things on a generational scale...or leaving and ceding the field of contest to the fundamentalists.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:48:20pm |
My current FB status:
So apparently, the city of Detroit is becoming popular with Hipsters. This must be stopped at all costs.
I will now more advocate the re-settlement of Syrian Refugees to Detroit, if only to crowd out the Hipsters. They should be willing to be educated for whatever jobs they would need.
/half. I would be advocating it anyway.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:52:13pm |
re: #193 ProGunLiberal
This is why PMCs are awful shit, and their use by the US Government should be banned.
It wasn't PMCs who fucked up this time. It was ordinary contractors hired to dispose of garbage. We have those sorts of contractors stateside, in the form of sanitation companies.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:52:19pm |
re: #218 The Ghost of a Flea
Go out into hinterlands where a church has more power as a central authority because of the diffusion or absence of secular power, and you'll see something very different. Look at what's happening in Africa with the power of charismatic preachers basically shielding them from prosecution: you've got churches with enforcers who harass and attack critics, administer punishments to the laity, and detain and imprison people for "exorcisms." Even in India, out in the rural countryside the Hindus avoid converted Christian villages because of the likelihood of being harassed, beaten, or forcibly converted.
The case of India is fairly complicated. Hindus associated with the BJP and its affiliate organizations will attack Christians in many areas, up to an including burning Churches, burning kids, killing Christians, raping nuns, and many other things. I would wonder if the Christian villages attacking Hindus is a misguided retaliation for the BJP attacks.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:55:09pm |
re: #220 Dark_Falcon
Well, some dumb motherfucker dropped the ball hard, and an investigation is needed pronto.
Still Saudi does worse. They will destroy elaborate, elagant Qurans because they are "signs of idolatry."
More and more, I believe the only way to deal with the Saudi-Promoted Radicalism is a modern day repeat of the Ottoman-Saudi War. To make sure the Salafis don't come back. I realize I am mostly likely well to your right on this, DF.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:58:47pm |
re: #222 ProGunLiberal
Well, some dumb motherfucker dropped the ball hard, and an investigation is needed pronto.
Still Saudi does worse. They will destroy elaborate, elagant Qurans because they are "signs of idolatry."
More and more, I believe the only way to deal with the Saudi-Promoted Radicalism is a modern day repeat of the Ottoman-Saudi War. To make sure the Salafis don't come back. I realize I am mostly likely well to your right on this, DF.
I would hope for an Enlightment first. William Wilberforce ended slavery in the British Empire without firing a (literal) shot.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Feb 25, 2012 9:59:27pm |
re: #220 Dark_Falcon
It wasn't PMCs who fucked up this time. It was ordinary contractors hired to dispose of garbage. We have those sorts of contractors stateside, in the form of sanitation companies.
My question is who told them these Qurans were garbage? Do we have contractors pulling guard duty in the prison too?
There's something rotten about Bagram:
Bribery Was Rampant at Bagram Airfield
An eighth conspirator, a former major in the Army National Guard, was sentenced to five years in federal prison for taking bribes from military contractors at Bagram Airfield in Afghanistan for verifying receipt of concrete bunkers and barriers that were never delivered.
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Digital Display Sat, Feb 25, 2012 10:00:26pm |
re: #223 To hold my temper, most of the time.
I would hope for an Enlightment first. William Wilberforce ended slavery in the British Empire without firing a (literal) shot.
Yes..No more wars.. It doesn't work
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freetoken Sat, Feb 25, 2012 10:02:02pm |
"We're basically stop-overs, from soil to soil".
Quote from tonight's video, Soil: From Dirt to Lifeline
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 10:03:57pm |
re: #223 To hold my temper, most of the time.
I simply see no way for a peaceful way to work. They are hyper-aggressive and do not want peace, only ignorance and control.
I believe this must be dealt with by force, within the Muslim World. Basically, such a war would be the Muslim Version of the Thirty Years War, with the US taking the role of the Ottoman Empire. And European nations taking the role of Morocco.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Feb 25, 2012 10:09:44pm |
re: #227 ProGunLiberal
I simply see no way for a peaceful way to work. They are hyper-aggressive and do not want peace, only ignorance and control.
I believe this must be dealt with by force, within the Muslim World. Basically, such a war would be the Muslim Version of the Thirty Years War, with the US taking the role of the Ottoman Empire. And European nations taking the role of Morocco.
I really doubt that change can be imposed from the outside.
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Lidane Sat, Feb 25, 2012 10:13:46pm |
re: #228 To hold my temper, most of the time.
I really doubt that change can be imposed from the outside.
It can't. The only way that fundamental change happens in a society is from within. Trying to force it from outside would just lead people to circle the wagons and defend themselves from an invading force.
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The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Feb 25, 2012 10:15:48pm |
re: #221 ProGunLiberal
The case of India is fairly complicated. Hindus associated with the BJP and its affiliate organizations will attack Christians in many areas, up to an including burning Churches, burning kids, killing Christians, raping nuns, and many other things. I would wonder if the Christian villages attacking Hindus is a misguided retaliation for the BJP attacks.
Nope.
I'm not denying that Hindus can be bigots and have done horrible things, and I don't like the BJP in the slightest...but no, I can't concur with that generalization of who's retaliating and who's initiating. It's not a one way thing.
I've lived and worked in villages near missionary projects. The nicest thing I can say is that new converts trying to proselytize often feel an urgency to share the Good News, and lack an understanding of personal boundaries...but there can also be bullying, harassment, and a general lack of respect for non-Christians.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Feb 25, 2012 10:34:31pm |
re: #227 ProGunLiberal
I simply see no way for a peaceful way to work. They are hyper-aggressive and do not want peace, only ignorance and control.
I believe this must be dealt with by force, within the Muslim World. Basically, such a war would be the Muslim Version of the Thirty Years War, with the US taking the role of the Ottoman Empire. And European nations taking the role of Morocco.
Do not underestimate the power of ideas.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 25, 2012 10:34:49pm |
re: #167 Learned Mother of Zion
It must be my lucky night. It only took me about 20 minutes to find a parking spot half a block from the building after I dropped off my daughter at her apartment.
Shit, the crappy guitar player has turned up the amps!
I hope the other neighbors beat the crap out of him.
I have a small boy learning to play the piano across the courtyard from me.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Feb 25, 2012 10:38:13pm |
re: #232 SanFranciscoZionist
I have a small boy learning to play the piano across the courtyard from me.
Are they IN THE HOUSE?
Three pianos and a trumpet.
We outlawed drums.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 25, 2012 10:40:10pm |
re: #196 To hold my temper, most of the time.
And then where the best pizza is to be bought!
And whether or not the English should give back the Elgin marbles.And why are they called the Elgin marbles? What did Elgin have to do with them, other than moving them?
Elgin "obtained a controversial permit from the Ottoman authorities to remove pieces from the Acropolis."
You donate it, it gets named after you.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 25, 2012 10:40:41pm |
re: #200 ProGunLiberal
At this point, the English have a foolproof strategy. They can say that they will only approve the bailout for Greece if Greece relinquishes all claims on the Elgin Marbles and other Greek Artifacts.
After the way Greece helped the Serbs turning the Bosnian Genocide, and the attacks on Kosovo, I want to see Greece have to pay for it. I want Greece thoroughly humiliated.
That stuff doesn't belong to England.
I'd be glad to see it go home.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Feb 25, 2012 10:41:27pm |
re: #234 SanFranciscoZionist
Elgin "obtained a controversial permit from the Ottoman authorities to remove pieces from the Acropolis."
You donate it, it gets named after you.
Yeah, I guess "Anonymous Awesome Greek Sculptors from Thousands of Years Ago" Marbles doesn't roll off the tongue.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 25, 2012 10:41:43pm |
re: #219 ProGunLiberal
My current FB status:
I will now more advocate the re-settlement of Syrian Refugees to Detroit, if only to crowd out the Hipsters. They should be willing to be educated for whatever jobs they would need.
/half. I would be advocating it anyway.
What about Syrian refugees who are hipsters?
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 25, 2012 10:43:51pm |
re: #237 SanFranciscoZionist
Now that is a conundrum....
Put them in Portland with the other hipsters. :P
/half
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Feb 25, 2012 10:44:01pm |
re: #238 EdDantes
Show of hands. How many are here tonight?
27 registered users, and I'm talking myself into going to bed.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 25, 2012 10:47:25pm |
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EdDantes Sat, Feb 25, 2012 10:49:30pm |
Neither am I. I'm a fig newton of your imagination.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 25, 2012 11:10:10pm |
I see HI has released the Gleick-HI email exchange.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 25, 2012 11:16:16pm |
Bast boasts to Curry:
I read with interest your post, “Why Heartland?” Thankfully, I can’t read Peter Gleick’s mind, but I suspect he targeted us because we have done so very much to document and rebut the assumptions and exaggerations of the global warming alarmists. Please let me describe some of the ways we’ve done that, and you decide.
We send publications to every national, state, and 8,400 county and local officials in the U.S. on average about once a week. 79% of state legislators say they read at least one of our publications. “Environment & Climate News,” one of six monthly publications we produce, is read by 57% of state legislators, a higher percentage than read the New York Times. It has been published continuously for 15 years, and every issue features the work of leading climate realists. No other organization produces a regular publication that reaches more people with this message.
Many policymakers and other opinion leaders in the U.S. and around the world recognize the names of (to use those in your list) Pat Michael, Chris Horner, Anthony Watts, Steve McIntyre, Richard Lindzen, and Roy Spencer only because they read their work or about their work in Environment & Climate News.
ECN is just the tip of the iceberg. You know about our International Conferences on Climate Change (ICCCs) – six held since 2008, total attendance of more than 3,000 people. The press and online coverage of these conferences was greater than anything else done by climate realists, and the videos of the presentations posted online have been viewed hundreds of thousands of times. The personal connections created among scientists from all around the world created a genuine social movement in favor of a more realistic understanding of climate change.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 25, 2012 11:39:11pm |
And some clueless Kossack just had to quote the exact place in the suspect memo that contains a grave mistake:
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
Desmogblog broke the story with a copy of the Heartland documents and is not backing down from Heartland's request that it delete the documents. From the documents.....
We will also pursue additional support from the Charles G. Koch Foundation. They returned as a Heartland donor in 2011 with a contribution of $200,000. We expect to push up their level of support in 2012 and gain access to their network of philanthropists, if our focus continues to align with their interests. Other contributions will be pursued for this work, especially from corporations whose interests are threatened by climate policies.”
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 25, 2012 11:43:53pm |
DailyKos is a right-wing site!!1
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
SAT FEB 25, 2012 AT 10:55 PM PST
We Should Have Nuked Afganistan
by TherapyI am fucking outraged about the recent killings of US Officers in Afganistan. Especially considering the reports that the murderer got past a coded entrance. Yea yea, argue all you want about whether we should have been there this long etc etc and security procedures, I am no fan of Bush's policy, but to all my fellow progressives who might think diplomacy is the answer-fuck that!
No, I don't think there were WMDs in Iraq and no I don't think searching the mountains for OBL for a decade was a good idea, but YES, I think carpet bombing every living/standing thing in a hostile country at the Outset of war is a good idea.
Disagree??? Put on the uniform and serve before you utter a word. If you have, I respect your view since you have been there like I have...
However, war is Not pretty and those who allow others to take over their country are complicit in what happens in their country. Personally, I think we should have CRUSHED all resistance a long time ago!
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freetoken Sat, Feb 25, 2012 11:54:30pm |
re: #246 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
Those of us who have been following HI's long running disinformation campaign easily understand that they've been doing the dirty deed for vested interests for many years, a very many years.
Yet I still think Gleick erred in the manner he approached this whole issue. As I've written before, scientists on the whole have a pretty tin ear when it comes to propaganda and how societies are influenced, and Gleick himself was probably baited into doing something stupid by that first package he received unsolicited in the mail. It was a trojan horse, from a propaganda point of view.
The news stories are running headlines that now make the "climate scientists" even more suspect in the public eyes. Probably the inverse of what Gleick had hopped.
The battle over AGW and how that should change nations' policies has never been about the science. That's one thing many scientists and quite a few activists still fail to truly grasp. It has always been about influencing people - crowds of people - and that is done by those with skills developed for the cause: propaganda, politics, rhetoric, etc.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 25, 2012 11:57:10pm |
re: #248 freetoken
Gleick himself was probably baited into doing something stupid by that first package he received unsolicited in the mail
That is, if he really did receive anything. I'm really not sure about that.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 25, 2012 11:59:33pm |
re: #249 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
That is, if he really did receive anything. I'm really not sure about that.
Well, if he fabricated that whole letter/memo then why release it with the actual material he received from HI? Certainly the latter is juicy enough - why water down that material's possible use by releasing a fabrication whose authenticity can not be determined?
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Lidane Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:04:05am |
Suicide car bomber attacks prominent church in troubled Nigerian city of Jos, killing at least two people, reports say
— BBC Breaking News (@BBCBreaking) February 26, 2012
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EdDantes Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:04:44am |
re: #248 freetoken
If you emulate the strategy of the enemy that you find despicable you had better be as good at it as they are. If you are a fish that does not understand the fisherman you will swallow the bait.
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freetoken Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:12:46am |
This is an example of the net result of Gleick's effort:
Ok, so it is by Jack Kelly, well known idiot.
But that is the point - no one goes broke by underestimating the American public, a public which consumes junk news like it does junk food.
American news outlets love to run stuff like Jack Kelly's ramblings because people love to read it, and thus it generates revenues.
The truth is often boring, and quite often takes a lot of work to decipher. We'd much rather watch programs about Ancient Aliens and their underwater cities that actually read about climatology.
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Lidane Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:23:26am |
Police intelligence officer named as main suspect in killing of senior US officers in #Afghan interior ministry on Sat bbc.in/wbDtxS
— BBC News (World) (@BBCWorld) February 26, 2012
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:34:38am |
re: #250 freetoken
First of all, a disclaimer: I'm not claiming Gleick did it. I'm only arguing for a serious possibility that he did it.
Well, if he fabricated that whole letter/memo then why release it with the actual material he received from HI?
The whole purpose behind him faking it - if he did it - would be to gild the lily and focus attention on specific issues. The "if he faked it, why he included" question is self-contradictory, because the only reason for him to fake it would be to include it.
Certainly the latter is juicy enough - why water down that material's possible use by releasing a fabrication whose authenticity can not be determined?
Because of the media "tl;dr" factor. The media needs juicy short soundbites. If they're as evil-sounding as the memo, so is the better.
As to the risk... Gleick has already shown himself to be a bit of a flake through his action. So we cannot appeal to his rationality to dismiss such a possibility.
Then there's the question of why he sent the memo out at all, without distinguishing it from the other documents in the bundle.
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As to why I'm not excluding the serious possibility of him being the culprit.
First of all, the anonymous mail story is rather improbable in itself. From the POV that the memo is authentic, a high-placed HI insider had to send it - why, and why not send the rest of the docs?
If it's fake and it was really sent from HI, such an insider would have to fake it. I proposed that it might be some of a trojan horse/Rathergate-like deception, but it's just a bit too far-fetched, because simply sending such a memo doesn't really do anything. How would anyone know his reaction? Why was it sent only to him? Wouldn't trolling have to be wider than that? Why include any authentic info in such a trolling attempt at all? And why use the untypical language that no denier uses to describe themselves ("anti-climate", "dissuading from teaching science", "undermining IPCC")? Surely a trolling effort by a denier would not use such a language naturally? (While some hothead out to get HI could, indeed, use such language without even noticing it.)
Second, a lot of denier blogs/commenters pointed fingers at Gleick *before* he confessed - because they thought that his mention (instead of Mann et al.) is an anomaly. Turns out they were right. (They now also point to alleged stylistic correlations between the memo's language and Gleick's unedited language, like alleged misuse of punctuation and use of "anti-climate". These are weaker arguments, of course.)
Finally, the clincher for me for not dismissing this as a serious possibility is the very amazing coincidence that we see here: supposedly Gleick received on the first try the documents that almost mirror the memo's claims (well, aside from the grave mistake in the memo). Sure, could be some amazing luck. People do win lottery sometimes. But...
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:39:05am |
re: #253 freetoken
The truth is often boring, and quite often takes a lot of work to decipher.
This should answer one of your questions above ;)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:44:00am |
re: #256 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
Gleick could try to put to rest such speculations by providing to proper authorities the original memo and the envelope it came in, for all the relevant testing.
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freetoken Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:55:02am |
re: #256 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
I'm just working off the basic premise that any document whose provenance is in question immediately becomes useless to any proponent of such a document, in front of an impartial jury.
I'm also quite open to the idea of a third party being involved, say someone who had it in for Gleick and perhaps knew him well enough to know how to trap him.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:59:34am |
re: #259 freetoken
I'm just working off the basic premise that any document whose provenance is in question immediately becomes useless to any proponent of such a document, in front of an impartial jury.
The memo's provenance is in question, yet Gleick sent it out, so there's no difference either way.
I'm also quite open to the idea of a third party being involved, say someone who had it in for Gleick and perhaps knew him well enough to know how to trap him.
That third party would have to have access to the high-level HI documents then. Sounds like more epicycles to me.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:02:52am |
re: #260 freetoken
Is it a standalone piece, or from a movie?
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freetoken Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:03:23am |
re: #262 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
These are all Morricone movie pieces.
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EdDantes Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:05:43am |
re: #263 freetoken
These are all Morricone movie pieces.
I love "The Mission". Second cd I bought in the 80's.
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freetoken Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:07:56am |
re: #261 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
That third party would have to have access to the high-level HI documents then.
Why? Could not someone have had just a few pieces of information, sent that to Gleick to whet his appetite and get him hooked?
Since we acknowledge that we don't seem to have a complete story here, I'm just trying to figure out how the whole event was seeded.
And, as you already suspect Gleick of creating the juicy memo, and yet he denies it, I'm trying to figure out if Gleick really could have been foolish enough to take credit for the release of all the information and yet not be aware that would make him the #1 suspect for crafting the memo?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:26:11am |
re: #266 freetoken
Why? Could not someone have had just a few pieces of information, sent that to Gleick to whet his appetite and get him hooked?
But it's not a few at all. These pieces of information would include the knowledge of existence of the Fundraising and Budget memos (which are explicitly mentioned) and the very specific details and numbers from all over those memos. There's no question to me that anyone who wrote the memo did it with the help of these documents.
I'm sure, that some of these PDF's might have gone to circles that are a bit wider than the Board and somehow could have ended up in the lap of a non-HI denier trickster who also knew Gleick and his m.o and decided to target him. It just doesn't seem like the likeliest possibility even on its own.
And, as you already suspect Gleick of creating the juicy memo, and yet he denies it, I'm trying to figure out if Gleick really could have been foolish enough to take credit for the release of all the information and yet not be aware that would make him the #1 suspect for crafting the memo?
Let's look at the variants then.
1. He's innocent of fakery. Then he knows that he only has to answer for impersonation. This more or less fits together.
2. He's the culprit.
2a. He's the culprit who knows there's no chance he'll be caught.
In such a case it would be foolish to confess.
2b. He's the culprit who knows that he will be caught because he didn't use the anonymizing tools while trolling for the docs (or because of some other reason).
The best strategy in such a case is to come clean on the trolling and to make up a scenario in which he is innocent of fakery.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:29:18am |
re: #267 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
and the very specific details and numbers from all over those memos
That includes a lot of almost direct citations of text chunks.
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freetoken Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:36:16am |
re: #268 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
Well, sounds like you've thought this through pretty much.
As I stated at the outset of this thing, I think any story like this eventually comes to no good, as all it does is provide ammo to writers of cheap headlines.
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freetoken Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:37:29am |
More movie music... though I don't think John Williams has been as original as Morricone, he still has shown the ability to set good mood music:
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:41:40am |
re: #269 freetoken
Well, sounds like you've thought this through pretty much.
It's more of, it came together in the last few days of reading pro and con posts and comments. Thinking in terms of subjective probabilities, it's 95% the memo is fake, 70% Gleick did it. And yes, I would be very glad to have egg on my face in this situation, with the real culprits identified and them not being any climate scientists. Maybe it's just my m.o. of "safer to expect the worst".
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:46:25am |
re: #270 freetoken
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 3:03:28am |
re: #273 freetoken
And what's that? Sounds like Hans Zimmer :)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 3:07:43am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:23:23am |
Muscovites have locked the "big white ring" along Moscow's Garden ring today. It's a demonstration for honest elections.
[Link: www.ridus.ru...]
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Kragar Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:23:24am |
Santorum: Obama is ‘a snob’ because he wants ‘everybody in America to go to college’
“Not all folks are gifted in the same way,” Santorum told a crowd of more than 1,000 activists at the Americans for Prosperity forum in Troy, Mich. “Some people have incredible gifts with their hands. Some people have incredible gifts and ... want to work out there making things. President Obama once said he wants everybody in America to go to college. What a snob.”
As the crowd applauded, Santorum continued.
“There are good decent men and women who go out and work hard every day and put their skills to test that aren’t taught by some liberal college professor trying to indoctrinate them,” he said. “Oh, I understand why he wants you to go to college. He wants to remake you in his image. I want to create jobs so people can remake their children into their image, not his.”
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:27:11am |
re: #276 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
Muscovites have locked the "big white ring" along Moscow's Garden ring today. It's a demonstration for honest elections.
[Link: www.ridus.ru...]
Here's the Garden ring btw:
[Link: feb26.ru...]
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:30:16am |
re: #278 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
Here's the Garden ring btw:
[Link: feb26.ru...]
214--Napoleon slept here.
309--Von Paulus didn't sleep here.
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RogueOne Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:31:54am |
People are starting to wake up so I guess it's safe to add my contribution to the sunday morning music thread:
Justice:
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Kragar Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:32:27am |
re: #280 RogueOne
People are starting to wake up so I guess it's safe to add my contribution to the sunday morning music thread:
Justice:
[Embedded content]
I'm getting ready to go to bed.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:32:52am |
re: #281 Kragar
How are you?
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Kragar Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:37:46am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:39:22am |
re: #283 Kragar
That make Mongo glad.
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Kronocide Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:42:53am |
re: #283 Kragar
Doing much better, ridden out the worst of it.
What did you have? I had novovirus a few weeks ago. Two days of Junk in the Trunk and fever.
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Kragar Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:48:48am |
re: #285 Kronocide
What did you have? I had novovirus a few weeks ago. Two days of Junk in the Trunk and fever.
They just said gastroenteritis.
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RogueOne Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:50:52am |
re: #285 Kronocide
What did you have? I had novovirus a few weeks ago. Two days of Junk in the Trunk and fever.
I thought that was a puppy disease. You're lucky they didn't put you down...
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Kragar Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:01:10am |
'Little Horny Man': Rock Carving of Giant Phallus Discovered
A stick figure man with a giant phallus dubbed "the little horny man" by its discoverers is the oldest rock carving found yet in the Americas, researchers say.
Proof that human evolution does not exist.
/
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:04:25am |
re: #44 Interesting Times
Excellent point, which segues rather nicely into another item I was just about to post:
Missed this last night. Where did you find it? Is it old?
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:30:29am |
re: #288 Kragar
'Little Horny Man': Rock Carving of Giant Phallus Discovered
Proof that human evolution does not exist.
/
If your schlong can be used to knap flint, you've been too long without:
[Link: www.theregister.co.uk...]
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William of Orange Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:36:52am |
Oh Mitt, Mitt, Mitt. You done it again.
[Link: www.thestar.com...]
Front page story in today's Toronto Star. Mitt tells story of attending 1946 Golden Jubilee of the Automobile - 9 months before he was born.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:38:51am |
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Sionainn Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:39:32am |
re: #277 Kragar
Santorum: Obama is ‘a snob’ because he wants ‘everybody in America to go to college’
Too bad that's not really what Obama said. He said that he wanted students to be "career and college ready" and that anyone who wants to go to college should have the opportunity. Looks like Santorum failed comprehension in school. Makes me wonder how he ever managed to graduate from college himself.
Oh, and it's yet another case of Santorum with his "do as I say, not as I do."
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RogueOne Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:47:08am |
When my home was broken into a few years ago I told my spouse to make sure our dogs were locked in the back room before the police showed up. She thought I was being paranoid.....
Glorieta dog killed by State Police officer
[Link: www.santafenewmexican.com...]
A Glorieta family woke up Friday without Jilly.
The family's 11-year-old dog was shot and killed Thursday by a New Mexico State Police officer who was on the family's property.
The department tells our media partners at KOB-TV that it will investigate the incident, but initially sees no cause for disciplinary action.
.....
Victoria Baca on Thursday morning called police to file a report about an internet scam she recently fell victim to. State Police could not come immediately, so Baca went to run errands with her young children and asked that she be called when the officer was on the way so she could meet the officer at the home.The officer, she says, went to her home and never called. The officer hopped the fence to her property — a fence with a clearly posted "Beware of Dog" sign — and says one of two dogs Baca had on the property bit him. The officer shot and killed Jilly.
State police said the officer thought Baca was home and entered her property.
Police called Baca after the shooting and when she and her children arrived home, Jilly was dead on the front porch of their home.
"My 4-year-old's response was, 'Did they shoot our dog?'" Baca said. "My son walked up the stairs and started shaking her, trying to wake her up."
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:49:16am |
re: #294 RogueOne
When my home was broken into a few years ago I told my spouse to make sure our dogs were locked in the back room before the police showed up. She thought I was being paranoid...
Glorieta dog killed by State Police officer
[Link: www.santafenewmexican.com...]
I hope the bite at least was painful. And infected.
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kirkspencer Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:00:10am |
[severe thread hijack warning]
Charles, for the past couple of days LGF's been having conflicts on my system. I'm using chrome 17.0.963.56 m on a Windows XP (SP3) box. When I go to LGF it crashes my skype toolbar and my shockwave flash plugin. Obviously neither are OMG FIXIT NOW stuff. It is, however, a nuisance. More important, it's something of which I think you need to be aware in case it's actually important somewhere else.
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Sionainn Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:04:22am |
re: #292 College is GOOD you asshat.
He was tired. Rough primary and all that.
ha ha!
Love the name.
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RogueOne Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:08:06am |
Ben & Jerry's drops fortune cookies from 'Lin-Sanity'
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Ben & Jerry's has apologized for putting fortune cookies in pints of its "Taste the Lin-Sanity" frozen yogurt sold at its Harvard Square, Massachusetts, location in honor of basketball sensation Jeremy Lin.
"We offer a heartfelt apology if anyone was offended by our handmade Lin-Sanity flavor," read a statement issued Friday on behalf of Ben & Jerry's Boston Scoop Shops.
Ooops
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:12:21am |
re: #298 RogueOne
That is offensive how?
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Kronocide Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:13:33am |
I assume it's because it has fortune cookies in it. Sounds delicious to me.
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RogueOne Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:13:54am |
re: #299 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
That is offensive how?
After the last couple of weeks I think they might be trying to be extra-sensitive. Plus, I think the official cookie of Taiwan is the Panda Cookie....
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:14:04am |
Fortune cookies are now racist?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:15:05am |
re: #301 RogueOne
After the last couple of weeks I think they might be trying to be extra-sensitive. Plus, I think the official cookie of Taiwan is the Panda Cookie...
But extra-sensitive in what way? I don't need the explanation for "chink in the armor". With this I'm tring in vain to scramble for anything involving an offense.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:16:03am |
Oh.
nguyenle2
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gwedwards, fortune cookies are not Chinese-Americans. Chinese-Americans don't associate themselves with the fortune cookie. No Asian-American culture celebrates the fortune cookie as part of their heritage. They are simply something passed out in Chinese restaurants as a novelty. Associating an entire culture with something that they don't associate themselves with is stereotypical and racist.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:17:51am |
PremiumMind
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If I was fortunate enough to have an Ice-Cream named after me, and if Ben & Jerry's was creative enough to find a way to put Bagels into my brand of Ice Cream, I wouldn't cry about them offending Jewish people. It would be awesome... why should I be ashamed to represent or be associated with a part of my culture? (And just like China is to fortune cookies, Bagels are to Israel, neither of them was invented in the country they are associated with).
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sattv4u2 Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:19:13am |
re: #303 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
But extra-sensitive in what way? I don't need the explanation for "chink in the armor". With this I'm tring in vain to scramble for anything involving an offense.
Thats because your, well ,,, normal
Some can find an offense in anything! As a matter of fact, some (imho) NEED there to be an offense in things
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:20:10am |
Now if he were Russian and they would put frozen vodka in that ice-cream... nah, still would be awesome. //
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RogueOne Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:20:11am |
re: #304 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
I'm guessing someone found an offensive fortune in their ice cream and no one wants that...
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Kronocide Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:22:16am |
Sensitivities are heightened for sure. But so is the sensitivity to political correctness, as illustrated by Hugh Hewitt:
All Bigotry Alike? Three Like Cases and Three Different Results
Hewitt is a lawyer, so I would expect him to get his analysis correct. But he's also a partisan, so I expect him to get his arguments straight despite facts.
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Kronocide Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:23:09am |
re: #306 sattv4u2
Some can find an offense in anything! As a matter of fact, some (imho) NEED there to be an offense in things
Yes, for example, Hugh Hewitt.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:23:58am |
re: #310 Kronocide
Yes, for example, Hugh Hewitt.
There's a long list regardless of political/ social/ economic bent
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:25:25am |
re: #309 Kronocide
"the ESPN headline writer who unwittingly upset the fans of Jeremy Lin specifically and Chinese generally"
The chances he used "chink" "unwittingly" are close to zero.
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Kronocide Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:27:47am |
re: #311 sattv4u2
There's a long list regardless of political/ social/ economic bent
Yes, true. I've been listening to Beck on AM rail about this for the past week then read Hewitt's blog post. Ironic that complaints about political correctness and sensitivity are founded upon an alternate political correctness and sensitivity.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:28:49am |
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Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:31:43am |
re: #315 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
Shows you have one! That's a plus in this world./
Was looking for it. I seem to have found it. Now I'm afraid to look at the international news. Here goes...
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Kronocide Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:32:30am |
So yeah... maybe our society is a little sensitive about racial stereotypes and offending others. Is it such a bad thing?
But these recent examples of reaction aren't all being 'too sensitive.' Maybe the Ben Jerry's fortune cookie thing, but the others Hewitt notes in his failed comparison seem like reasonable reactions from a better society.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:33:17am |
re: #317 Kronocide
So yeah... maybe our society is a little sensitive about racial stereotypes and offending others. Is it such a bad thing?
But these recent examples of reaction aren't all being 'too sensitive.' Maybe the Ben Jerry's fortune cookie thing, but the others Hewitt notes in his failed comparison seem like reasonable reactions from a better society.
Yes.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:33:19am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:35:57am |
As for Mormons and "magic underwear" comment... I don't know. If people made fun of someone's scientologic beliefs (like that never happened!) would there be even an apology, like in Blow's case?
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RogueOne Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:39:51am |
re: #320 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
I've harassed a friend about wearing magic underwear under his army uniform....if you're sensitive we probably can't be friends.....and if you wear granny panties and you ain't a granny, you're asking for it.
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Sionainn Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:41:09am |
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Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:41:10am |
re: #320 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
As for Mormons and "magic underwear" comment... I don't know. If people made fun of someone's scientologic beliefs (like that never happened!) would there be even an apology, like in Blow's case?
Sometimes people apologize to get the complainants to shut up. I was surprised to see that Blow apologized but that's his decision.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:41:13am |
re: #321 RogueOne
I've harassed a friend about wearing magic underwear under his army uniform...if you're sensitive we probably can't be friends...and if you wear granny panties and you ain't a granny, you're asking for it.
Must be a real close friend if you know what kind of panties he's wearin'!!!
NTTAWWT!!!
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:41:17am |
re: #320 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
As for Mormons and "magic underwear" comment... I don't know. If people made fun of someone's scientologic beliefs (like that never happened!) would there be even an apology, like in Blow's case?
Dems using "Magic underwear" is a cheap and immaterial shot, worthy of Freep. What's wrong with Romney isn't his haberdashery. (Hubbard's people are never funny--they're dangerous.)
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RogueOne Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:42:31am |
re: #325 Decatur Deb
I agree but it's still funny. Personally, I'd rather not know what kind of underwear my elected officials wear.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:42:52am |
re: #325 Decatur Deb
(Hubbard's people are never funny--they're dangerous.)
I agree if you mean the hierarchy. But if you mean an average member, I don't see how this is different from disparaging all Muslims or Mormons. Just an illustration of the imbalance, as per above.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:45:06am |
An average scientologist is a victim, rather than a danger to anyone.
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Sionainn Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:45:18am |
re: #325 Decatur Deb
Dems using "Magic underwear" is a cheap and immaterial shot, worthy of Freep. What's wrong with Romney isn't his haberdashery. (Hubbard's people are never funny--they're dangerous.)
I've never liked the "magic underwear" remarks. I don't find it necessary to make fun of anyone's traditions.
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RogueOne Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:46:53am |
re: #325 Decatur Deb
Dems using "Magic underwear" is a cheap and immaterial shot, worthy of Freep. What's wrong with Romney isn't his haberdashery. (Hubbard's people are never funny--they're dangerous.)
Haberdashery? Ground floor:
Image: areyoubeingserved_1.jpg
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:47:02am |
re: #327 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
I agree if you mean the hierarchy. But if you mean average member, I don't see how this is different from disparaging all Muslims or Mormons. Just an illustration of the imbalance, as per above.
The power of the hierarchies, good or bad, comes from the support of their people. My wife is not totally innocent of any harm her archbishop might do.
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Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:47:07am |
re: #327 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
I agree if you mean the hierarchy. But if you mean average member, I don't see how this is different from disparaging all Muslims or Mormons. Just an illustration of the imbalance, as per above.
Well. In his case Rush Limbaugh would be apologizing every single day of the week.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:48:21am |
re: #331 Decatur Deb
The power of the hierarchies, good or bad, comes from the support of their people. My wife is not totally innocent of any harm her archbishop might do.
Then it's OK to blast any religion as a group.
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The Left Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:49:02am |
OK, people are having a little bit too much fun with the redefinition of Santorum when they write headlines-- check this one out:
Poll: Santorum comes from behind in Alabama three-way
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:49:53am |
re: #334 Klaatu barada nikto
OK, people are having a little bit too much fun with the redefinition of Santorum when they write headlines-- check this one out:
Poll: Santorum comes from behind in Alabama three-way
Those are the people forever traumatized by the Tubgirl (don't google).
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:50:14am |
re: #333 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
Then it's OK to blast any religion as a group.
Any religion, any party, any voluntary society, insofar as they do harm outweighing their good.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:51:01am |
re: #336 Decatur Deb
Any religion, any party, any voluntary society, insofar as they harm outweighing their good.
Which is subjective. So that means everyone. Muslims, religious Jews, Christians, you name it.
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Sionainn Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:51:18am |
re: #335 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
Those are the people forever traumatized by the Tubgirl (don't google).
I learned my lesson with tubgirl and actually paying attention to warnings from fellow lizards not to google when warned not to google.
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Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:51:26am |
re: #336 Decatur Deb
Any religion, any party, any voluntary society, insofar as they harm outweighing their good.
Sepultura fans.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:52:05am |
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:52:38am |
re: #337 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
Which is subjective. So that means everyone. Muslims, religious Jews, Christians, you name it.
Yup, pain-in-the-ass atheist trick or treaters, too.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:53:02am |
re: #342 Decatur Deb
Yup, pain-in-the-ass atheist trick or treaters, too.
And most of all, snotty agnostics. /
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RogueOne Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:53:19am |
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Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:53:35am |
re: #343 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
And most of all, snotty agnostics. /
Snickering fence sitters!
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:53:48am |
re: #343 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
And most of all, snotty agnostics. /
Yup--anybody rapey-stabby.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:54:01am |
re: #343 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
And most of all, snotty agnostics. /
BTW, it's not bigoted for me to say it. Like Dawkins, I'm an agnostic.
;)
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RogueOne Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:56:11am |
Personally, I think if we're going to make fun of people over the slightest of issues (which we are because that's what humans do) it's offensive to leave certain groups out based on some weird pc sensibilities. I'm offended and outraged.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:56:46am |
re: #350 RogueOne
Personally, I think if we're going to make fun of people over the slightest of issues (which we are because that's what humans do) it's offensive to leave certain groups out based on some weird pc sensibilities. I'm offended and outraged.
I'm offended and outraged at anyone offended and outreaged!
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:57:01am |
re: #348 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
BTW, it's not bigoted for me to say it. Like Dawkins, I'm an agnostic.
;)
Not bigoted at all. We're talking about 'blasting' the support given to hierarchies that do harm, discounted by the good they do. Tithe collections, like elections, have consequences.
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RogueOne Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:58:14am |
I have a baptist friend who was just placed on "probation" by his church because he's living with his girlfriend. Damn right I made fun of him for it.
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jaunte Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:59:30am |
re: #353 RogueOne
What penalty do they impose, other than telling everyone he's been successful with a girl?
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:00:15am |
re: #354 jaunte
What penalty do they impose, other than telling everyone he's been successful with a girl?
They presume he's been dancing.
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RogueOne Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:00:36am |
re: #354 jaunte
That's what I asked. I told him to wait until they find he likes to dance too. Instant excommunication.
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allegro Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:00:42am |
I dunno, when a religion as a matter of doctrine tells those of us who are not of their herd that we are going to burn in hell for an eternity, that we are evil unless we repent and accept their goofy belief systems, etc. then teasing about magic underwear seems pretty minor in comparison.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:01:23am |
re: #352 Decatur Deb
Not bigoted at all. We're talking about 'blasting' the support given to hierarchies that do harm, discounted by the good they do. Tithe collections, like elections, have consequences.
It's OK to denigrate those Catholics who are faithful enough to donate to the Church, then?
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RogueOne Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:01:24am |
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:01:51am |
re: #357 allegro
I dunno, when a religion as a matter of doctrine tells those of us who are not of their herd that we are going to burn in hell for an eternity, that we are evil unless we repent and accept their goofy belief systems, etc. then teasing about magic underwear seems pretty minor in comparison.
They do it out of loving-kindness.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:03:28am |
re: #357 allegro
I dunno, when a religion as a matter of doctrine tells those of us who are not of their herd that we are going to burn in hell for an eternity, that we are evil unless we repent and accept their goofy belief systems, etc. then teasing about magic underwear seems pretty minor in comparison.
It seems like a confused statement. The Catholics don't wear sacred underwear. The Mormons don't believe every non-Mormon will go to hell.
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allegro Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:03:35am |
re: #358 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
It's OK to denigrate those Catholics who are faithful enough to donate to to the Church, then?
When they are voluntarily contributing financially to a system that they know is corrupt, as in the child molestation cover-ups, then yes, they must accept some of the responsibility.
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Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:03:41am |
re: #357 allegro
I dunno, when a religion as a matter of doctrine tells those of us who are not of their herd that we are going to burn in hell for an eternity, that we are evil unless we repent and accept their goofy belief systems, etc. then teasing about magic underwear seems pretty minor in comparison.
In that case the Mormon Church owes me an apology!
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:04:21am |
re: #359 RogueOne
someone else knows a lot of southern baptists
Wife was raised one, converted to RC before we met. MIL threw out her brandied fruit when we explained she had really fermented alcohol. She kept her squaredancing dispensation, though.
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RogueOne Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:05:22am |
re: #364 Decatur Deb
Wife was raised one, converted to RC before we met. MIL threw out her brandied fruit when we explained she had really fermented alcohol. She kept her squaredancing dispensation, though.
HaHaHa...god loves a good polka.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:05:59am |
re: #361 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
It seems like a confused statement. The Catholics don't wear sacred underwear. The Mormons don't believe every non-Mormon will go to hell.
Actually, very many of us did--a vestigal monastic scapular.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Sionainn Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:06:24am |
re: #357 allegro
I dunno, when a religion as a matter of doctrine tells those of us who are not of their herd that we are going to burn in hell for an eternity, that we are evil unless we repent and accept their goofy belief systems, etc. then teasing about magic underwear seems pretty minor in comparison.
I'll fight back against anyone who dares to impose their religious beliefs on me, but as a general principle, I don't attack people's beliefs or make fun of them. If they leave me alone, I leave them alone.
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Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:07:33am |
re: #365 RogueOne
HaHaHa...god loves a good polka.
You have offended the people of greater Pittsburgh! I demand an apology.
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Sionainn Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:07:51am |
re: #365 RogueOne
HaHaHa...god loves a good polka.
I don't. I lived for three years right above a guy who played that shit nonstop. Drove me crazy.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:08:04am |
re: #366 Decatur Deb
Actually, very many of us did--a vestigal monastic scapular.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
I'm judging by the photo here - Image: Escapulariocafe.JPG - but is that string panties?
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RogueOne Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:08:39am |
re: #368 Sionainn
It's not like I walk up and break out my catholic jokes on people when I see them wearing a crucifix or anything but I don't see any harm in a writer making fun of someones religious underwear.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:08:53am |
re: #369 Gus
You have offended the people of greater Pittsburgh! I demand an apology.
//
Every Sunday it was AM radio Mass in the morning, Frankie Yankovich and the Yanks in the afternoon.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:10:28am |
re: #371 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
I'm judging by the photo here - Image: Escapulariocafe.JPG - but is that string panties?
//
Around the neck, Binkey. (Two squares of cloth about 3 cm on a side)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:10:55am |
re: #374 Decatur Deb
Around the neck, Binkey. (Two squares of cloth about 3 cm on a side)
I figured they were too small. //
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Sionainn Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:11:08am |
re: #372 RogueOne
It's not like I walk up and break out my catholic jokes on people when I see them wearing a crucifix or anything but I don't see any harm in a writer making fun of someones religious underwear.
I don't see much of a difference between the two.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:13:39am |
re: #372 RogueOne
It's not like I walk up and break out my catholic jokes on people when I see them wearing a crucifix or anything but I don't see any harm in a writer making fun of someones religious underwear.
Jokes between friends depend on the friends. I'm talking against the MU as a dogwhistle for Romney's political opposition.
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RogueOne Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:14:29am |
Chicago man files civil rights lawsuit against Police
[Link: www.wgntv.com...]
A federal civil rights lawsuit has been filed against the city and a group of 25th district police officers.
31-year-old Erick Fields says he was fixing his car in his own garage last year, when police snuck onto his property and shot him in the stomach. The west side Chicago man reportedly needed multiple blood transfusions and emergency surgery to save his life. And he's saddled with half-a-million dollars worth of medical bills in a shooting that his lawyer says was completely unjustified.
"The problem here is that they silently crept through his yard, onto the property of an innocent man," according to civil rights lawyer Torreya Hamilton. "And then they shot him in his own garage without warning."
Hamilton filed the civil rights lawsuit in federal court, Thursday morning.
I guess that will teach him. Good thing his dog was in the house.
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jaunte Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:15:25am |
re: #377 Decatur Deb
It does seem like a pretty useless criticism. "Your faith tradition is sillier than mine, so nyahh."
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Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:17:35am |
re: #372 RogueOne
It's not like I walk up and break out my catholic jokes on people when I see them wearing a crucifix or anything but I don't see any harm in a writer making fun of someones religious underwear.
He works for the New York Times. You know how the wingnuts are practically demanding they "apologize" for something or another on a daily basis. Just as much as we get the anti-NY Times propaganda being paged here by "Camera" about some alleged anti-Israel story they printed.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:18:46am |
re: #380 Gus
He works for the New York Times. You know how the wingnuts are practically the "apologize" for something or another on a daily basis. Just as much as we get the anti-NY Times propaganda being paged here by "Camera" about some alleged anti-Israel story they printed.
"But you should see that Third Jihad movie, clickie right here!!1"
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Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:20:17am |
re: #381 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
"But you should see that Third Jihad movie, clickie right here!!1"
I don't think Aigle (?) ever made one comment.
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The Left Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:21:07am |
re: #383 Gus
I don't think Aigle (?) ever made one comment.
He doesn't even comment on his own links.
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Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:21:33am |
I mean. Seriously.
ANNA RAND @OBAMA_CZAR
Charles M. Blow, communist, er, columnist for The New York Times, pulled back the curtain on the progressive mindset this week
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RogueOne Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:22:37am |
re: #380 Gus
I see a difference between a joke and a serious concern/criticism. If someone is concerned about a candidates choice of underwear they're the one with a problem. I don't think the Blow magic underwear comment falls into that category.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:22:46am |
re: #384 Klaatu barada nikto
He doesn't even comment on his own links.
That other guy, Reuters Middle East Watch, actually accused CAMERA of plagiarism from their blog.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:25:00am |
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The Left Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:25:18am |
re: #387 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
That other guy, Reuters Middle East Watch, actually accused CAMERA of plagiarism from their blog.
I missed that!
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Sionainn Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:25:25am |
re: #378 RogueOne
Chicago man files civil rights lawsuit against Police
[Link: www.wgntv.com...]I guess that will teach him. Good thing his dog was in the house.
Holy cow! That's crazy stuff.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:25:59am |
re: #385 Gus
I mean. Seriously.
Where do they get the energy to maintain that level of berserker outrage?
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Interesting Times Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:26:22am |
re: #289 College is GOOD you asshat.
Missed this last night. Where did you find it? Is it old?
Don't know. Got it from here:
uh... that’s so weird! RT @ScottCandage: @AngryBlackLady Check this out: "The Racist Tree" i.imgur.com/upuAg.jpg
— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) February 26, 2012
| 393 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:27:52am |
Hey all,
I am now on day 3 of the 5/6 day curs-ed virus. My Mom just called to say she has it.
How are you?
| 394 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:30:09am |
re: #393 ggt
Hey all,
I am now on day 3 of the 5/6 day curs-ed virus. My Mom just called to say she has it.
How are you?
Covering my face while talking to you!
| 395 |
The Left Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:30:34am |
re: #393 ggt
Hey all,
I am now on day 3 of the 5/6 day curs-ed virus. My Mom just called to say she has it.
How are you?
helping Jimmah cook a curry, listening to BBC Radio 4, and keeping an eye over here. Sorry to hear about your virus! hope you feel better soon.
| 396 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:30:52am |
| 397 |
Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:32:26am |
re: #358 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
It's OK to denigrate those Catholics who are faithful enough to donate to to the Church, then?
Missed this above. It's OK to ask them what portion of the donation goes to settle victims' suits, and what they have done to discipline the system.
| 398 |
Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:36:39am |
re: #391 Decatur Deb
Where do they get the energy to maintain that level of berserker outrage?
Moron James Taranto joined the right-wing pile on with this Godwin:
@CharlesMBlow likens detractors to lice. Himmler had something similar. publicculture.org/articles/view/…
— James Taranto (@jamestaranto) February 24, 2012
| 399 |
RogueOne Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:37:26am |
Before I get started and get in trouble, am I allowed to make fun of this guy?
Saudi Sheikh Sobs As He Demands Death Penalty For Blogger
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]
The fact that the blogger isn't dead yet really hurts his feelings. He has a sad. I tried to find an appropriate LOLcat picture to go with the story but shockingly I can't find a "god wants you dead" one.
| 400 |
Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:39:52am |
re: #398 Gus
Moron James Taranto joined the right-wing pile on with this Godwin:
Geez, I'm being contrary today. I hate the use of that language for anyone, anyplace. It does start you to Babi Yar or the killing fields. (Don't know Taranto, guessing the 'lice' quote is real and from the NYT guy.)
| 401 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:40:23am |
re: #399 RogueOne
Before I get started and get in trouble, am I allowed to make fun of this guy?
The Rainbow Conclave will decide this on Tuesday. You shall refrain from mocking the beardie until then.
| 402 |
Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:41:08am |
re: #400 Decatur Deb
Geez, I'm being contrary today. I hate the use of that language for anyone, anyplace. It does start you to Babi Yar or the killing fields. (Don't know Taranto, guessing the 'lice' quote is real and from the NYT guy.)
The idea that a lice analogy is herein seen as a Nazi analogy is absurd.
| 403 |
Mocking Jay Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:42:08am |
re: #399 RogueOne
Before I get started and get in trouble, am I allowed to make fun of this guy?
Saudi Sheikh Sobs As He Demands Death Penalty For Blogger
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]The fact that the blogger isn't dead yet really hurts his feelings. He has a sad. I tried to find an appropriate LOLcat picture to go with the story but shockingly I can't find a "god wants you dead" one.
OMG, that poor man!!!
| 404 |
Killgore Trout Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:42:16am |
re: #399 RogueOne
Before I get started and get in trouble, am I allowed to make fun of this guy?
Saudi Sheikh Sobs As He Demands Death Penalty For Blogger
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]The fact that the blogger isn't dead yet really hurts his feelings. He has a sad. I tried to find an appropriate LOLcat picture to go with the story but shockingly I can't find a "god wants you dead" one.
I posted that video upthread somewhere last night. I didn't check to see how many downdings I got for it.
| 405 |
Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:42:19am |
You can read Taranto's garbage here:
'Right Wing Lice'
Bigoted and hateful rhetoric from a New York Times columnist.
| 406 |
Sionainn Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:43:23am |
re: #399 RogueOne
Before I get started and get in trouble, am I allowed to make fun of this guy?
Saudi Sheikh Sobs As He Demands Death Penalty For Blogger
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]The fact that the blogger isn't dead yet really hurts his feelings. He has a sad. I tried to find an appropriate LOLcat picture to go with the story but shockingly I can't find a "god wants you dead" one.
Okay, you can make fun of that guy.
Why would God need men to do the punishment for him? Silly.
| 407 |
RogueOne Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:43:33am |
re: #401 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
The Rainbow Conclave will decide this on Tuesday. You shall refrain from mocking the beardie until then.
I would seriously hate to be in that poor kids shoes. I doubt they'll cut off his head but, at a minimum, he's probably going to be lashed and he's going to need to move out of the country.
| 408 |
Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:43:34am |
re: #404 Killgore Trout
I posted that video upthread somewhere last night. I didn't check to see how many downdings I got for it.
Quit your whining. It got 2 updings which includes one from me.
| 409 |
Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:43:55am |
re: #402 Gus
The idea that a lice analogy is herein seen as a Nazi analogy is absurd.
Don't have the details on this case, but Jud Suss kind of finished animal metaphors.
| 410 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:44:12am |
re: #400 Decatur Deb
Geez, I'm being contrary today. I hate the use of that language for anyone, anyplace. It does start you to Babi Yar or the killing fields. (Don't know Taranto, guessing the 'lice' quote is real and from the NYT guy.)
Only partially concur. Nothing wrong with saying this about particular bad guys, as long as you are very careful with delineation. E.g.: neo-Nazis are lice.
"Right-wing lice" is indeed out of bounds.
| 411 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:44:33am |
Always the victim.
| 412 |
Killgore Trout Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:45:28am |
re: #408 Gus
Quit your whining. It got 2 updings which includes one from me.
Nice! I expected to end up on the bottom comments list again.
| 413 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:46:16am |
re: #412 Killgore Trout
Nice! I expected to end up on the bottom comments list again.
Maybe your detractors had already used up their monthly quota of Kilgore Down Dings!!!
| 414 |
Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:46:20am |
re: #410 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
Only partially concur. Nothing wrong with saying this about particular bad guys, as long as you are very careful with delineation. E.g.: neo-Nazis are lice.
"Right-wing lice" is indeed out of bounds.
Bleh. Reading too much into this. Here's the Tweet:
[Link: twitter.com...]
I re-Tweeted it within minutes. Thought it was funny.
| 415 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:46:58am |
re: #413 sattv4u2
Maybe your detractors had already used up their monthly quota of Kilgore Down Dings!!!
Just you watch.
/
| 416 |
Killgore Trout Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:47:00am |
| 417 |
Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:47:07am |
Time to scratch some of this right wing lice out of my timeline. Be back in a sec... #block
— Charles M. Blow (@CharlesMBlow) February 23, 2012
| 418 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:48:05am |
re: #416 Killgore Trout
You guys are grumpy this morning.
"Did you wake up grumpy this morning"?
"No,, I let her sleep while I got ready for work!!"
OUCH ,,, oh ,, hi honey,, didn't see you standing behind me!!
| 419 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:48:17am |
re: #417 Gus
Dehumanization of political opponents is not good, unless they're something like the real Nazis.
| 420 |
Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:48:43am |
re: #419 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
Dehumanization of political opponents is not good, unless they're something like the real Nazis.
He was referring to Twitter assholes.
| 421 |
Sionainn Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:48:49am |
re: #419 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
Dehumanization of political opponents is not good, unless they're something like the real Nazis.
Geez, do you always have to be so reasonable?
//
| 422 |
jaunte Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:49:14am |
re: #404 Killgore Trout
That sheikh is grotesque and ridiculous, tearing up over someone not being killed fast enough.
| 423 |
Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:50:10am |
re: #419 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
Dehumanization of political opponents is not good, unless they're something like the real Nazis.
Don't need to dehumanize, just toggle a load of 500lb HE on their asses and move on.
| 424 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:50:16am |
re: #422 jaunte
That sheikh is grotesque and ridiculous, tearing up over someone not being killed fast enough.
Works his fingers to the bone and this is the thanks he gets.
| 425 |
Interesting Times Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:50:19am |
re: #417 Gus
Still can't get over what whiny-ass, wimpy, projecting, bawling little babies right-wingers turn into when their own nasty rhetoric is turned back on them. Pissy little hypocrites.
| 426 |
RogueOne Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:51:31am |
Wyoming House advances doomsday bill
[Link: m.trib.com...]
CHEYENNE — State representatives on Friday advanced legislation to launch a study into what Wyoming should do in the event of a complete economic or political collapse in the United States.
House Bill 85 passed on first reading by a voice vote. It would create a state-run government continuity task force, which would study and prepare Wyoming for potential catastrophes, from disruptions in food and energy supplies to a complete meltdown of the federal government.
The task force would look at the feasibility of
Wyoming issuing its own alternative currency, if needed. And House members approved an amendment Friday by state Rep. Kermit Brown, R-Laramie, to have the task force also examine conditions under which Wyoming would need to implement its own military draft, raise a standing army, and acquire strike aircraft and an aircraft carrier.
Someone is really bad at geography.
| 427 |
Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:51:40am |
re: #425 Interesting Times
Still can't get over what whiny-ass, wimpy, projecting, bawling little babies right-wingers turn into when their own nasty rhetoric is turned back on them. Pissy little hypocrites.
It's a freaking Godwin if I ever saw one.
| 428 |
Killgore Trout Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:52:13am |
| 429 |
Sionainn Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:53:23am |
re: #426 RogueOne
Wyoming House advances doomsday bill
[Link: m.trib.com...]Someone is really bad at geography.
LOL.
| 430 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:53:55am |
re: #426 RogueOne
Wyoming House advances doomsday bill
[Link: m.trib.com...]Someone is really bad at geography.
Hey ,,, Utah might invade via the Flaming Gorge Recreation Area!!
Wha ,,,, it could happen!!
| 431 |
jaunte Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:54:40am |
re: #426 RogueOne
The mighty W.S.S. Conestoga, the first multiwheel, land-based aircraft carrier.
| 432 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:56:10am |
re: #426 RogueOne
Wyoming House advances doomsday bill
[Link: m.trib.com...]Someone is really bad at geography.
I'm thinking this is a waste of resources. Sounds like a good idea --better to be prepared and all, but with the constant and mind-staggering advancements in technology happening right now, I'd think any plan they would come up with would be outdated when they needed it.
I can see contingency plans for law enforcement, hospitals, utilities, but how is that any different from normal emergency planning?
| 433 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:56:24am |
re: #409 Decatur Deb
Don't have the details on this case, but Jud Suss kind of finished animal metaphors.
Disagree.
Example: ...-wing parrots.
;)
| 434 |
Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:57:40am |
re: #404 Killgore Trout
I posted that video upthread somewhere last night. I didn't check to see how many downdings I got for it.
I think that video wound up being linked 4 times here.
| 435 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:58:22am |
re: #434 Gus
I think that video wound up being linked 4 times here.
Yep. I noticed at least 3 times.
| 436 |
Digital Display Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:58:46am |
Good Morning Lizards
Thought for the day..
When Fish are in Schools.. They sometimes take debate
| 437 |
Daniel Ballard Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:58:53am |
Okay a candidate sponsoring a car at Daytona is a cool thing.
Why did it have to be Santorum?
| 438 |
allegro Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:58:57am |
re: #432 ggt
I'm thinking this is a waste of resources. Sounds like a good idea --better to be prepared and all, but with the constant and mind-staggering advancements in technology happening right now, I'd think any plan they would come up with would be outdated when they needed it.
I can see contingency plans for law enforcement, hospitals, utilities, but how is that any different from normal emergency planning?
There's a black Muslim in the WH about to go jihad on our asses. They can't build that aircraft carrier too soon!
//
| 439 |
RogueOne Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:59:07am |
re: #434 Gus
I think that video wound up being linked 4 times here.
I hadn't seen it until today but Buzzfeed has had it for 3 days so it's old.
| 440 |
Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:59:15am |
re: #435 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
Yep. I noticed at least 3 times.
K. 3 times.
Side note. All that crying was obviously faked.
| 441 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:00:22am |
re: #438 allegro
There's a black Muslim FOREIGNER in the WH about to go jihad on our asses. They can't build that aircraft carrier too soon!
//
You forgot. ftfy
| 442 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:00:58am |
re: #440 Gus
K. 3 times.
I'm not disputing 4 times. I only say I've noticed 3 ;)
Side note. All that crying was obviously faked.
Let's send Beck there?
| 443 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:01:28am |
re: #437 Daniel Ballard
Okay a candidate sponsoring a car at Daytona is a cool thing.
Why did it have to be Santorum?
OTOH
UAW to fly anti-Mitt banner at Daytona 500
[Link: www.politico.com...]
| 444 |
Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:01:41am |
re: #442 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
I'm not disputing 4 times. I only say I've noticed 3 ;)
Let's send Beck there?
I think you're on to something here. :)
| 445 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:01:44am |
| 446 |
Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:02:36am |
re: #443 sattv4u2
OTOH
UAW to fly anti-Mitt banner at Daytona 500
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Don't they realize that banner is "hateful and hurtful"?!?
Found a trend here. ;)
| 447 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:04:23am |
Well, anyway, since when are wingnuts the defenders of Mormon sensibilities? Some deliberate reversal is going on here. That Hewitt even had to write a book marketing Mitt to Republicans as a Mormon in 2008 is a sign of that.
| 448 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:05:21am |
Here: [Link: www.amazon.com...]
| 449 |
Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:05:47am |
re: #447 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
Well, anyway, since when are wingnuts the defenders of Mormon sensibilities? Some deliberate reversal is going on here. That Hewitt even had to write a book marketing Mitt to Republicans as a Mormon in 2008 is a sign of that.
How can we forget the rhetoric from the far-right Christians in the GOP and their treatment of Mormonism. No so subtle irony here is there.
| 450 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:06:11am |
I'm going back to bed.
Have a great one all!
| 451 |
Daniel Ballard Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:07:10am |
re: #443 sattv4u2
OTOH
UAW to fly anti-Mitt banner at Daytona 500
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Oh yeah the very union that almost choked out GM. After all it is widely regarded that union concessions fixed the balance sheets. Otherwise the losses would have continued another year at least. Or the bailout money would not have saved it.
| 452 |
Daniel Ballard Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:08:06am |
| 455 |
Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:10:04am |
Perry Refuses Romney’s Request to Disavow Extremist Pastor
Cult leader calls Romney a cultist, Rick Perry co-signs
| 456 |
Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:10:49am |
So yeah. Charles M. Blow "Tweets something" and they all get outraged.
What a freaking joke.
| 457 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:11:22am |
re: #455 Gus
No, you don't get it. It's liberals who are anti-Mormon, anti-Hispanic, sexist, racist, anti-Muslim (as per Geller), homophobic, etc.
| 458 |
Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:11:35am |
One of the reasons Santorum is ahead of Romney is because of Romney's Mormonism. Just another clueless wingnut cluster-fuck.
| 459 |
Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:12:11am |
re: #457 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
No, you don't get it. It's liberals who are anti-Mormon, anti-Hispanic, sexist, racist, anti-Muslim (as per Geller), etc.
Nazi Liberals. Worst kind.
| 460 |
Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:15:55am |
re: #459 Decatur Deb
Nazi Liberals. Worst kind.
Jonah Goldberg wrote a book comparing liberals to Nazis (Hitler mustache and all) and vice versa. There's another Godwin for certain. So much so that now the ignorant wingnuts all see Hitler as some kind of liberal. Figure that one out -- I gave up though. Charles M. Blow calls a bunch of wingnut Twitter stalkers lice and they're all up in arms based on some obscure Himmler reference. Which means they're still comparing liberals to Nazis.
So. Who in fact is dehumanizing whom?
| 461 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:17:03am |
re: #460 Gus
Sure, Hitler did have a welfare state. A deeply conservative welfare state.
| 462 |
Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:18:19am |
BTW. Keep in mind that while that Wahabi Sheik was calling for the death of the alleged blasphemer that there are people in this country who have also called for the death of Jessica Ahlquist in no uncertain terms.
| 463 |
Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:18:58am |
I do love Twitter--a chance to beclown yourself at nearly the speed of light.
| 464 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:20:42am |
re: #462 Gus
BTW. Keep in mind that while that Wahabi Sheik was calling for the death of the alleged blasphemer that there are people in this country who have also called for the death of Jessica Ahlquist in no uncertain terms.
Why do you hate Americans?
/
| 465 |
Varek Raith Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:21:04am |
re: #463 Decatur Deb
I do love Twitter--a chance to beclown yourself at nearly the speed of light.
Jim Hoft does it at warp 9.
| 466 |
Interesting Times Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:22:04am |
re: #460 Gus
Jonah Goldberg wrote a book comparing liberals to Nazis (Hitler mustache and all) and vice versa.
| 467 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:23:53am |
re: #464 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree
Why do you hate Americans?
/
You've never been in a mall parking lot at Christmas, have you!!
| 468 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:25:23am |
| 469 |
Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:25:35am |
Damn. Looking around now. I didn't realize that Charles M. Blow's comments became a sort of national catastrophe for the wingnuts. They all jumped on the nontroversy including Hot Air. Yet looking through Hot Air I see a lot of references to "magic underwear" and Romney prior to said event.
| 470 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:28:19am |
Ah, there's nothing like waking up, getting a cup of tea, and seeing an on-going label fight.
Though in this case at least it's comments about the permanent on-going external one, and not an internal one among the Lizards.
| 471 |
Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:29:20am |
They're just trying to get revenge for the firing of Pat Buchanan from MSNBC and the firing of Anthony Federico from ESPN.
| 472 |
The Left Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:30:24am |
re: #471 Gus
They're just trying to get revenge for the firing of Pat Buchanan from MSNBC and the firing of Anthony Federico from ESPN.
I missed the Federico story-- what happened?
| 473 |
Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:31:05am |
re: #472 Klaatu barada nikto
I missed the Federico story-- what happened?
Fired ESPN Editor Anthony Federico Apologizes for Jeremy Lin “Chink in the Armor” Headline
| 476 |
Kronocide Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:34:19am |
re: #475 Klaatu barada nikto
No surprise there.
It's as if wingnuts are hypersensitive themselves. Go figure..
| 477 |
Daniel Ballard Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:34:45am |
Hoops? You watching Daytona?
Lenny Kravitz put on a good show at Daytona. Not a single middle finger or wardrobe malfunction. //
Looks like it's cold in Florida today.
| 478 |
Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:34:53am |
re: #475 Klaatu barada nikto
No surprise there.
Screw 'em. OMG now I must apologize for saying "screw 'em." Won't happen. But yeah they're probably pissed off still since Charles M. Blow apologized and nothing became of this. More seething wingnut outrage.
| 479 |
Kronocide Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:36:40am |
In a sober light, ESPN satiated the thirst for vengeance. Apologies and honest discussions of racial issues are productive. Ruining careers for malice-free mistakes and engendering a climate of fear is counterproductive. Unlike with Max Bretos, however, what Frederico did was demonstrably wrong. His “Chink in the Armor” headline was offensive and avoidable. Readers are conditioned to expect wordplay, puns and double entendres in headlines. The link between the headline and the racial slur was, in that context, logical and direct. The gaffe was unintentional, but it should have been apparent beforehand.Firing Federico was unmerciful. We feel for the former editor and wish him well, but when your mistake causes a PR disaster for a multi-billion dollar enterprise, termination is, sadly, not outside the range of reasonable outcomes.
| 480 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:36:52am |
re: #467 sattv4u2
You've never been in a mall parking lot at Christmas, have you!!
I'm pretty sure this is why napalm was invented.
| 481 |
simoom Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:38:16am |
Seems that, through some unintended hole in China's Great Firewall, some Chinese citizens are able to access Google+, which has lead to this:
(BBC) Chinese 'netizens' inundate Obama's Google+ page
Every current topic on Mr Obama's Google+ page attracted hundreds of Chinese comments.
Some contributors made jokes; others said they were occupying the site in the style of western Occupy campaigns.
Google+ is normally blocked in China along with other social media that the authorities deem unacceptable.
Since Google+ was launched in 2011, software known informally as the Great Firewall had appeared to block it within China.
But on 20 February 2012 internet-users in many parts of China found they could gain access to the site - prompting some to suggest occupying it, in a tongue-in-cheek reference to the Occupy Wall Street campaign.
On 24 and 25 February, to the consternation of American readers, every current topic on President Obama's 2012 election campaign page attracted hundreds of comments, apparently from China.
You can see a number of the comments translated over at the Chinese news aggregation site ChinaSMACK: [Link: www.chinasmack.com...]
President Obama's Google+ page: [Link: plus.google.com...]
| 482 |
Gus Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:41:05am |
Speaking of crazy:
You're Al Sharpton & Tawana Brawley wrapped into one, smearing feces all over your body and trumpeting a blatant falsehood. @DavidShuster
— AndrewBreitbart (@AndrewBreitbart) February 26, 2012
| 483 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:43:14am |
re: #481 simoom
Seems that, through some unintended hole in China's Great Firewall, some Chinese citizens are able to access Google+, which has lead to this:
(BBC) Chinese 'netizens' inundate Obama's Google+ page
You can see a number of the comments translated over at the Chinese news aggregation site ChinaSMACK: [Link: www.chinasmack.com...]
President Obama's Google+ page: [Link: plus.google.com...]
My favorite:
Robert Bridgewater (American writing in English):
If they can’t speak English, they most likely aren’t even legal and shouldn’t be voting anyways! Who paid for this? It better not have come from any tax payers!
| 484 |
Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:44:07am |
Our temps don't go below 46f for the next 10 days or more. Off to furl up the greenhouse cover. BBL
| 485 |
Varek Raith Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:44:32am |
| 490 |
simoom Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:54:30am |
re: #483 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII
My favorite:
Robert Bridgewater (American writing in English):
If they can’t speak English, they most likely aren’t even legal and shouldn’t be voting anyways! Who paid for this? It better not have come from any tax payers!
That G+ comment in full:
Robert Bridgewater - If they can't speak English, they most likely aren't even legal and shouldn't be voting anyways! Who paid for this? It better not have come from any tax payers! You can pay for your own crap Obummer. Um Cale Monson apparently you are the moron. If you read the heading of this entire comment section you will see that he is promoting barakcobama.com in spanish and the image is in spanish as well.
It was a comment under a post on the Obama Campaign's Spanish Language site: [Link: plus.google.com...]
| 491 |
Digital Display Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:57:06am |
re: #477 Daniel Ballard
Hoops? You watching Daytona?
Lenny Kravitz put on a good show at Daytona. Not a single middle finger or wardrobe malfunction. //Looks like it's cold in Florida today.
Kravitz was pretty awesome...Hope it doesn't rain all day in Florida.
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Alone in a Bathroom: The Fear and Uncertainty of a Post-Roe Medication Abortion Angel tucked two white pills into each side of her mouth, bracing herself as they began to dissolve. Her deepest fears and anxieties took over. Angel had wanted to talk to a doctor before she took the pills to ...
Cheechako
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They Were Desperate to Get Pregnant. Then IVF Gave Them Extra Embryos. One morning last spring, Ashley Harrolle put her 1-year-old daughter down for a nap and went to the kitchen. She pulled up her fertility clinic’s contact information. It was time to make the call. In a freezer several hundred ... Cheechako
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Views: 250 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1- Pictures From Today’s Exhibition of Paintings Done by Jane LilienthalPROPS TO MICHELE AND SAGEHEN FOR CATCHING THE SPELLING ERROR IN THE TITLE THAT MY DIABETIC EYES COULDN'T CATCH I wanted to share pictures of the art show I visited today. The portraits were created by the mother of my ...Joe Bacon ✅
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March FavoritesYou've seen these all already but looking back, just because. These are my favorite shots of this last month. That 1937 Zeiss Sonnar is such a gloriously wonderful bit of glass. Thanks for looking.
William Lewis
3 weeks ago
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Russia’s New Combat Robots Blown Up by Drones Near Avdiivka When we landed on the moon, I thought about how science fiction had become real. Now, the robot wars have begun. It's more poignant somehow on the ground than in the missile wars we have in the air as ...
Rightwingconspirator
3 weeks ago
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Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... Cheechako
3 weeks ago
Views: 508 • Comments: 1 • Rating: 5- A Closer Look at the Eastman State Bar DecisionTaking a few minutes away from work things to read through the Eastman decision. As I'm sure many of you know, Eastman was my law school con law professor. I knew him pretty well because I was also running in ...KGxvi
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Abortions Outside Medical System Increased Sharply After Roe Fell, Study Finds The number of women using abortion pills to end their pregnancies on their own without the direct involvement of a U.S.-based medical provider rose sharply in the months after the Supreme Court eliminated a constitutional right to abortion, according ... Cheechako
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Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ... Cheechako
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
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