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Santorum: JFK’s Speech on Separation of Church and State Makes Me Want to Puke

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As Rick Santorum’s star continues to rise, his rhetoric just keeps getting more and more extreme. Today on ABC News, Santorum said that John F. Kennedy’s famous 1960 speech on the separation of church and state makes him want to puke.

And in Santorum’s opinion, every American should feel just as nauseated as he does.

GOP presidential hopeful Rick Santorum said today that watching John F. Kennedy’s speech to the Baptist ministers in Houston in 1960 made him want to “throw up.”

“To say that people of faith have no role in the public square? You bet that makes you throw up. What kind of country do we live that says only people of non-faith can come into the public square and make their case?” Santorum said.

“That makes me throw up and it should make every American who is seen from the president, someone who is now trying to tell people of faith that you will do what the government says, we are going to impose our values on you, not that you can’t come to the public square and argue against it, but now we’re going to turn around and say we’re going to impose our values from the government on people of faith, which of course is the next logical step when people of faith, at least according to John Kennedy, have no role in the public square,” he said. …

“I don’t believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute. The idea that the church can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our country,” said Santorum. “This is the First Amendment. The First Amendment says the free exercise of religion. That means bringing everybody, people of faith and no faith, into the public square. Kennedy for the first time articulated the vision saying, no, ‘faith is not allowed in the public square. I will keep it separate.’ Go on and read the speech ‘I will have nothing to do with faith. I won’t consult with people of faith.’ It was an absolutist doctrine that was foreign at the time of 1960,” he said.

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249 comments

1 Kronocide  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:49:17am

There's no such thing as a moderate atheist.

2 allegro  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:50:58am

He is not doing his fellow christians any favors at all.

3 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:53:00am

IMO he just disqualified himself from running. He can't honestly take the oath. Not kidding, not sarc. Of course Kennedy never said that people of faith could not speak up, hold office etc.

What a person of faith (or of none) is obligated to do is govern by the law as seen in the constitution and passed since. No more and no less.

4 austin_blue  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:53:14am

Or a moderate follower of Opus Dei.

5 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:55:07am

I don't suppose this knucklehead realizes that his very own presence in this election is a contradiction to his own claims.

6 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:55:12am

That cost Santorum votes. I know a number of people who while pretty staunchly Republican think very highly of JFK for various reasons.

7 The Left  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:55:35am

My current favourite Santorum headline:

Poll: Santorum Comes from Behind in Alabama Three-Way.

8 austin_blue  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:57:43am

re: #7 Klaatu barada nikto

My current favourite Santorum headline:

Poll: Santorum Comes from Behind in Alabama Three-Way.

Great nic, Ice.

9 The Left  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:59:01am

re: #8 austin_blue

Great nic, Ice.

Thanks! I think I'll keep it for a while.

10 jaunte  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:00:28am

Rick, I think you've thrown up enough.

11 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:01:14am

Neither do I see any proof of an "America where the separation between church and state is absolute." Nothing could be further from the truth.

12 austin_blue  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:01:25am

re: #9 Klaatu barada nikto

Thanks! I think I'll keep it for a while.

Is Jimmah watching the Carling Cup final? Cardiff has taken Liverpool into extra time, tied at one.

13 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:02:21am

re: #2 allegro

He is not doing his fellow christians any favors at all.

That's what's killing me. These theocrats like Santorum and Bachmann are literally ruining the brand. Not just "right" or "conservative" or "Republican" but whole swaths of religious and political though.

14 austin_blue  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:03:03am

re: #11 Gus

Neither do I see any proof of an "America where the separation between church and state is absolute." Nothing could be further from the truth.

That's his straw man. Why doesn't anyone call him on it? He's sitting *right there*, for pity's sake.

15 TDG2112  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:03:45am

I'm going from vague memory here, but JFK was the first Catholic to win the presidency. So this speech was much like Romney's speech a while back about Mormonism and the presidency. Essentially he was saying we shouldn't exclude Americans based on their religion. (lots of bigotry towards Catholics at the time out of fear that any Catholic would be beholden to the pope, thus making the US subject to papal law, gosh doesn't that all sound like the Sharia nonsense of late?)

So really, if you reject this speech you are rejecting any religion not your own.

16 jaunte  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:05:46am

re: #14 austin_blue

"...look, I’ve gone through it. I went through it at Penn State. You talk to most kids who go to college who are conservatives, and you are singled out, you are ridiculed, you are – I can tell you personally, I know that, you know, we – I went through a process where I was docked for my conservative views."
[Link: livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Emo chip-on-shoulder conservative.

17 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:06:15am

Transcript: JFK's Speech on His Religion

Excerpt:

I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute, where no Catholic prelate would tell the president (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote; where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference; and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the president who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.

I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials; and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.

For while this year it may be a Catholic against whom the finger of suspicion is pointed, in other years it has been, and may someday be again, a Jew— or a Quaker or a Unitarian or a Baptist. It was Virginia's harassment of Baptist preachers, for example, that helped lead to Jefferson's statute of religious freedom. Today I may be the victim, but tomorrow it may be you — until the whole fabric of our harmonious society is ripped at a time of great national peril.

18 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:06:44am

For reference: this is what makes Rick want to puke.
[Link: www.americanrhetoric.com...]

19 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:06:59am

Keep in mind that this plays into classic JFKDS which is much like ODS.

20 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:07:02am

re: #17 Gus

Transcript: JFK's Speech on His Religion

Excerpt:

Beat me to it.

21 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:08:08am

re: #19 Gus

Keep in mind that this plays into classic JFKDS which is much like ODS.

Evil libruls. They're all the same.

22 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:08:19am

re: #20 HappyWarrior

Beat me to it.

Here's a direct link to the audio.

[Link: www.npr.org...]

23 nines09  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:08:44am

He's a real loving Christian, isn't he?

24 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:10:51am

JFK is/was 100 percent correct. OK, maybe a 6.9 on a scale of 1 to 7.

25 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:13:22am

It is a coincidence that I happened upon this from Volokh's blog, but it's illustrative of what happens when you ignore the separation:

[Link: oll.libertyfund.org...]

The free, equal, and undisturbed enjoyment of religious opinion, whatever it may be, and free and decent discussions on any religious subject, is granted and secured; but to revile, with malicious and blasphemous contempt, the religion professed by almost the whole community, is an abuse of that right. Nor are we bound, by any expressions in the constitution, as some have strangely supposed, either not to punish at all, or to punish indiscriminately the like attacks upon the religion of Mahomet or of the Grand Lama; and for this plain reason, that the case assumes that we are a Christian people, and the morality of the country is deeply ingrafted upon Christianity, and not upon the doctrines or worship of those imposters.

26 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:13:44am
27 jaunte  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:13:47am
The majority of Americans (60% to 76%) identify themselves as Christians, mostly within Protestant and Catholic denominations, accounting for 51% and 25% of the population respectively.[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Santorum is probably betting that he can get this majority to counteract the Supreme Court.

28 Sionainn  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:15:52am

re: #10 jaunte

Rick, I think you've thrown up enough.

He does seem to have chronic vomiting. Perhaps he should see a gastroenterologist for that.

29 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:15:58am

"And always omitting, of course, the statement of the American Bishops in 1948 which strongly endorsed Church-State separation, and which more nearly reflects the views of almost every American Catholic. "
Rick forgets the strong tradition in American Catholicism that embraces church and state separation.

30 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:16:22am

re: #27 jaunte

Santorum is probably betting that he can get this majority to counteract the Supreme Court.

The problem he's going to have is, not all of those self-identified Protestants are going to go along with his bullshit. For example, me.

31 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:17:25am

re: #25 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

(Notice how in those olden times the "Judeo-" beard has not yet grown.)

32 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:18:01am

This is the kind of America I believe in, and this is the kind I fought for in the South Pacific, and the kind my brother died for in Europe. No one suggested then that we may have a "divided loyalty," that we did "not believe in liberty," or that we belonged to a disloyal group that threatened the "freedoms for which our forefathers died."

And in fact ,this is the kind of America for which our forefathers died, when they fled here to escape religious test oaths that denied office to members of less favored churches; when they fought for the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom; and when they fought at the shrine I visited today, the Alamo. For side by side with Bowie and Crockett died McCafferty and Bailey and Carey. But no one knows whether they were Catholic or not, for there was no religious test at the Alamo. -- John F. Kennedy

33 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:18:34am

re: #16 jaunte

Emo chip-on-shoulder conservative.

I suspect that if Rick got harassed for his political views it was probably for being an intolerant asshole in how he expressed them.

My social group in college (mainly engineers and IT guys) were mainly conservative and/or libertarian with a cross-section of religions and social justice beliefs. Discussions about politics and social issues were heated, but generally respectful. And like most discussions of this sort, went around and around in circles.

However, on the other hand, the College Republican Club (or whatever it was actually called at Pitt) was pretty much universally disdained as being a bunch of jackasses with a superiority complex.

34 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:19:15am

re: #16 jaunte

Emo chip-on-shoulder conservative.

It is true that some conservative views will get you 'docked' in college. Conservative views like believing AGW doesn't exist, that evolution isn't true, that separation of church and state doesn't exist. This isn't because the views are conservative, but because they're wrong.

I swear, conservatives like Santorum are the biggest moral relativists of all. For them, as long as something is a personal conviction on the 'conservative' side of the spectrum, it should be above challenge and never be held against the person. It's so wimpy.

35 The Left  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:22:28am

re: #12 austin_blue

Is Jimmah watching the Carling Cup final? Cardiff has taken Liverpool into extra time, tied at one.

Nah, he really only watches the World Cup. Off to eat dinner-- great to see you!

36 Sionainn  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:22:47am

I'm listening to the clip right now, and Santorum just lies through his f-ing teeth. I really despise that man.

37 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:23:27am

Rick Santorum as the conservative emo candidate. Love it.

38 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:24:06am

re: #34 Obdicut

It is true that some conservative views will get you 'docked' in college. Conservative views like believing AGW doesn't exist, that evolution isn't true, that separation of church and state doesn't exist. This isn't because the views are conservative, but because they're wrong

It's not that straightforward.
What of these articles including one study about the left lean of most Professors?
[Link: www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org...]

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

[Link: www.campus-watch.org...]

39 austin_blue  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:24:36am

re: #35 Klaatu barada nikto

Nah, he really only watches the World Cup. Off to eat dinner-- great to see you!

Be well, lassie!

40 jaunte  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:24:48am

"What kind of country do we live in where only people of non-faith can come in the public square and make their case?"

The United States of Strawmen!

41 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:26:05am

re: #35 Klaatu barada nikto

Nah, he really only watches the World Cup. Off to eat dinner-- great to see you!

Hello and goodbye, {ice}.

42 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:28:21am

re: #40 jaunte

"What kind of country do we live in where only people of non-faith can come in the public square and make their case?"

The United States of Strawmen!

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43 Charleston Chew  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:30:31am

re: #15 TDG2112

I'm going from vague memory here, but JFK was the first Catholic to win the presidency. So this speech was much like Romney's speech a while back about Mormonism and the presidency. Essentially he was saying we shouldn't exclude Americans based on their religion. (lots of bigotry towards Catholics at the time out of fear that any Catholic would be beholden to the pope, thus making the US subject to papal law, gosh doesn't that all sound like the Sharia nonsense of late?)

So really, if you reject this speech you are rejecting any religion not your own.

What a difference a half century makes. Then, Republicans worried about the President being beholden to the Pope. Now Republicans demand that the president be beholden to the Pope!

44 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:30:50am

re: #42 Gus

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45 austin_blue  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:31:53am

re: #44 Gus

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Must have been one heck of a comment!

46 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:32:03am

re: #43 Charleston Chew

What a difference a half century makes. Now Republicans demand that the president be beholden to the Pope!

They'll revert to Catholic bashing if it serves them. I still remember Beck's comments about the church's promotion of social justice being akin to Nazism. Any self respecting Catholic would stay away from Beck's "We're all Catholics" now clap trap.

47 Sionainn  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:32:44am

re: #45 austin_blue

Must have been one heck of a comment!

Just Rick being Rick.

48 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:34:03am

OT - Cue the wingnut outrage!

49 Digital Display  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:34:15am

re: #45 austin_blue

Must have been one heck of a comment!

That can't be right..7000 down dings? 1 comment? No way

50 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:34:30am

I've already commented before that if Santorum gets the GOP nomination and loses the religious nutcases will blame it on him not being Protestant enough.

51 jaunte  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:34:48am

@fivethirtyeight
67% of Americans think "the First Amendment requires a clear separation of church and state"; 28% do not.

The First Amendment Center conducted a general public survey of attitudes about the First Amendment once again in 2011. The questionnaire was administered to a national sample of 1,006 American adults by telephone. The questionnaire was developed by Dr. Ken Dautrich of The Pert Group and First Amendment Center Executive Director Gene Policinski. The survey was conducted in June 2011.
.....
The number of Americans who believe that the First Amendment requires a clear separation of church and state remains about the same as last year, with 67% agreeing there is a clear separation and 28% disagreeing with the statement.

52 labman57  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:36:11am

Is anyone really shocked?

The problem with many Christians who identify with the so-called "religious right" is that they are long on self-righteousness and short on selflessness, long on callousness and short on compassion, long on intimidation and short on tolerance.

The values and morals of ANY religion have absolutely no place in politics with respect establishing public policy or writing legislation. We need to focus on secular, societal ethical behavior and leave religious morality in the church and within every individual's home. One religion's virtue could be another religion's sin.

We were never a "Christian" nation. Neither are we a "Caucasian" nation or an "Anglo" nation. Although most of the Founding Fathers considered themselves to be religious (some were Christians, others were deists), they also realized the folly of the government attempting to impose a particular religion and its ideology onto the populace.

Spirituality comes in many forms. Whether or not an individual regards themselves as a Christian says nothing about the person's character or value as a human being, nor does it speak to their loyalty and patriotism toward our nation.

The notion that one group of religions is more righteous or more American than any other is contrary to the tenets established by our founding fathers when they endorsed the "separation of church and state" as a fundamental concept in the US Constitution.

53 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:36:21am

re: #49 HoosierHoops

That can't be right..7000 down dings? 1 comment? No way

...not meant to be a factual Lizard.

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54 A Mom Anon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:37:23am

I'm having issues with LGF. In IE9 I can't click on any links,the site freezes if I do. In Chrome,when I come here the site will only partially load and I get a little window that pops up telling me something is crashing. Googleads is one,I think a flash player is another one. Then the browser just shuts itself down. I can't log in using Chrome at all. I've run scans for everything I can rub them for,but LGF is the only site I'm having issues with. Is it just me or is anyone else having problems?

55 austin_blue  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:38:24am

re: #49 HoosierHoops

That can't be right..7000 down dings? 1 comment? No way

Well, if anyone could do it...

56 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:38:41am

Wow. Just when you think you have heard all that you never expected to hear, he just keeps on giving.

I am however confused. Who says people of faith can't speak?

I think he is confusing speak with dictate.

57 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:40:18am

re: #54 A Mom Anon

Running fine here. Might try a removal & re install of chrome. IE is hardly worth fixing, in as much as that's possible. I run Firefox mostly, Win7 & a 10 mbps AT&T DSL.

58 Digital Display  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:40:52am

re: #53 Gus

...not meant to be a factual Lizard.

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LOL Thank Goodness..
I saw Rick on MTP this morning..He really had a poor showing.. He would be a really good 7th grade debater.. The writer from the WAPO just shredded him in her commentary on the panel

59 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:41:05am

re: #52 labman57

The notion that one group of religions is more righteous or more American than any other is contrary to the tenets established by our founding fathers when they endorsed the "separation of church and state" as a fundamental concept in the US Constitution.

That's just it -- religious fanatics like Santorum don't recognize the separation of church and state at all. To them, the idea that there's some sort of divide is judicial activism, liberal tyrants in black robes destroying what the Founders actually intended, which was an openly Christian nation. Or something.

I wish I was kidding, but as Santorum's comments make clear, it's not an isolated worldview.

60 A Mom Anon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:41:12am

re: #56 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
Yep. Also free speech means no one is allowed to challenge,make fun of or disagree with them. Or repeat what they said if it makes them look stupid or silly.

61 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:42:12am

re: #53 Gus

...not meant to be a factual Lizard.

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Meh. Still less than Buck.

62 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:43:31am

BTW, thanks Charles for expanding the hover feature in the Spy! Now the "ding" boxes can also be hovered over.

63 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:43:43am

re: #56 Red Sea Desjardini Tang

I am however confused. Who says people of faith can't speak?

Every religious fanatic in this country who equates the separation of church and state with tyranny against Christians. That's who. They're convinced that the evil secular gubmint is determined to destroy Christianity because the separation of church and state gets enforced at all.

64 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:43:56am

The Santorum derpiness spreads.

Which leads to:

Michigan Tea Partiers Share Rick Santorum’s Fears Over Obama’s College Push

TROY, MICHIGAN — Rick Santorum’s contention here Saturday that President Obama’s plan to make college more accesible is really a scheme to brainwash people into becoming liberals may have struck some outside observers as a little odd.

But for the tea party crowd gathered here as part of an Americans For Prosperity rally, Santorum’s words about higher education were right on point.

“President Obama wants everybody in America to go to college,” Santorum said. “What a snob!”

65 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:44:03am

re: #56 Red Sea Desjardini Tang

Wow. Just when you think you have heard all that you never expected to hear, he just keeps on giving.

I am however confused. Who says people of faith can't speak?

I think he is confusing speak with dictate.

It's a pander attempt. The little folks' religious freedom to have government and the country succeed by following God's dictates (their version) is being oppressed by the Satan-following Obama and his Anti-American minions.
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66 jaunte  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:44:57am

re: #64 Gus

“Diversity and sensitivity and all that crap."

67 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:45:29am

re: #66 jaunte

“Diversity and sensitivity and all that crap."

Shades of Anders Breivik.

68 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:45:49am

“They try and disguise it with, you know, ‘equal opportunity’…” Stephen Clement began.

“It’s communism,” Murrow said, cutting him off. “The professors are all teaching the kids…”

“Where does the social engineering stop?” Clement jumped back in, fired up. “Does it stop after we send everybody to college, or does it stop after we set their curriculum and said, ‘these are the things you’re allowed to study?’ Does it become the Soviet Union?”

69 jaunte  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:46:44am

re: #67 Gus

"Sensitivity to your religion is just political correctness. Sensitivity to my religion is simply the respect God is due."

70 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:48:16am

And of course it's mostly a load of horse manure coming from Santorum. This is from Obama's 2009 speech:

It is our responsibility as lawmakers and educators to make this system work. But it is the responsibility of every citizen to participate in it. And so tonight, I ask every American to commit to at least one year or more of higher education or career training. This can be community college or a four-year school; vocational training or an apprenticeship. But whatever the training may be, every American will need to get more than a high school diploma. And dropping out of high school is no longer an option. It’s not just quitting on yourself, it’s quitting on your country – and this country needs and values the talents of every American. That is why we will provide the support necessary for you to complete college and meet a new goal: by 2020, America will once again have the highest proportion of college graduates in the world.

71 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:49:30am

re: #17 Gus

I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute, where no Catholic prelate would tell the president (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote; where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference; and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the president who might appoint him or the people who might elect him

Of course Kennedy made this speech to address concerns about a Catholic in the White House who many thought would be taking orders from the Vatican in his decision making. Santorum Seems to think this is a good idea.

72 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:50:05am

And there was this:

Flashback: In 2006, Rick Santorum Wanted To Send All Pennsylvanians To College

“In addition to Rick’s support of ensuring that primary and secondary schools in Pennsylvania are equipped for success, he is equally committed to ensuring the every Pennsylvanian has access to higher education,” the site reads. “Rick Santorum has supported legislative solutions that provide loans, grants, and tax incentives to make higher education more accessible and affordable.”

73 allegro  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:50:58am

re: #70 Gus

And of course it's mostly a load of horse manure coming from Santorum. This is from Obama's 2009 speech:

Sounds pretty much like the same speech I got repeatedly growing up from my staunchly Republican parents. Of course, that was long before the party lost its collective mind and purpose other than power for the sake of self and crony enrichment.

75 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:53:26am

re: #74 Gus

Studies Refute Santorum’s Claim That Attending College Reduces Religiosity

What? Rick Santorum is wrong? That can't be! THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!

76 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:54:21am

re: #74 Gus

Studies Refute Santorum’s Claim That Attending College Reduces Religiosity

What? Then what are they good for, those colleges? *spit*

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77 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:55:43am

re: #75 thedopefishlives

What? Rick Santorum is wrong? That can't be! THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!

Rick Santorum is a liar which makes him a sinner so unless he repents for these lies he will burn in Hell!

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78 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:55:51am

I just skimmed the comments on this topic at Hot Air. Even most of the wingnuts understand that Santorum is an unelectable douche. They're a little confused on the Church-State concept but most of them seem to get it on some level.

79 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:57:32am

re: #78 Killgore Trout

I just skimmed the comments on this topic at Hot Air. Even most of the wingnuts understand that Santorum is an unelectable douche. They're a little confused on the Church-State concept but most of them seem to get it on some level.

Starting to believe the conspiracists: These clowns are all taking a dive.

80 bubba zanetti  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:58:21am

re: #54 A Mom Anon

The site was really giving Firefox on Leopard fits until I installed Flashblock. Now it's tolerable, but still seems laggy sometimes.

81 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:59:04am

re: #78 Killgore Trout

I just skimmed the comments on this topic at Hot Air. Even most of the wingnuts understand that Santorum is an unelectable douche. They're a little confused on the Church-State concept but most of them seem to get it on some level.

"If we've lost Hot Air, We've lost middle America!"
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82 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:59:49am

re: #54 A Mom Anon
Same here and I am IE8. I do not have the money to buy a new computer.

83 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:59:53am

re: #81 Son You got a panty on your head.

"If we've lost Hot Air, We've lost middle America!"
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84 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:00:31am

re: #79 Decatur Deb

Starting to believe the conspiracists: These clowns are all taking a dive.

While we have our tinfoil hats on I'll speculate that maybe the GOP establishment is going to push for Sontorum to save Romney for a future run. More Republicans are starting to notice that the party has been pushed off the rails and has little chance for a future with its current course.

85 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:00:52am

re: #83 Gus

Non-
Athletic
Sport
Centered
Around
Rednecks

86 Interesting Times  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:02:05am

re: #16 jaunte

"...look, I’ve gone through it. I went through it at Penn State. You talk to most kids who go to college who are conservatives, and you are singled out, you are ridiculed..."

87 aagcobb  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:04:47am

re: #54 A Mom Anon

I'm having issues with LGF. In IE9 I can't click on any links,the site freezes if I do. In Chrome,when I come here the site will only partially load and I get a little window that pops up telling me something is crashing. Googleads is one,I think a flash player is another one. Then the browser just shuts itself down. I can't log in using Chrome at all. I've run scans for everything I can rub them for,but LGF is the only site I'm having issues with. Is it just me or is anyone else having problems?

I'm having trouble here the last two days with Chrome as well. I'm having to use Firefox.

88 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:06:05am

Photo: Large Naked Woman Stomps On Car In Noe Valley

(nsfw)

[Link: sfist.com...]

How would you even fill out the insurance form!?!?
//

89 bubba zanetti  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:06:35am

Profiling the main page with Firebug, I'm seeing some really slow responses from the S7.addthis thingAMaJig, something called "hub" from Twitter, and the Google +1 button calls. They should all be on callbacks so they shouldn't block the rendering of the page, but they do seem to be jamming things up.

90 aagcobb  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:06:41am

re: #82 PhillyPretzel

Same here and I am IE8. I do not have the money to buy a new computer.

You don't have to buy a new computer, just download Firefox. Its free.

91 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:09:37am

re: #90 Corporationsarepeopletoo
I cannot download my computer won't let me. /

92 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:10:19am

re: #89 bubba zanetti

Profiling the main page with Firebug, I'm seeing some really slow responses from the S7.addthis thingAMaJig, something called "hub" from Twitter, and the Google +1 button calls. They should all be on callbacks so they shouldn't block the rendering of the page, but they do seem to be jamming things up.

See ,,, this is why we can't have nice things!!

93 aagcobb  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:11:28am

Its real simple Rick. If the only reason you have for a policy is theological, it shouldn't be imposed by law.

94 aagcobb  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:13:28am

re: #91 PhillyPretzel

I cannot download my computer won't let me. /

Are you using a computer at work?

95 Interesting Times  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:17:43am
96 jaunte  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:19:27am

re: #88 sattv4u2

Luckily he has the photo, for insurance and bar bets later.

97 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:21:35am

re: #54 A Mom Anon

I'm having issues with LGF. In IE9 I can't click on any links,the site freezes if I do. In Chrome,when I come here the site will only partially load and I get a little window that pops up telling me something is crashing. Googleads is one,I think a flash player is another one. Then the browser just shuts itself down. I can't log in using Chrome at all. I've run scans for everything I can rub them for,but LGF is the only site I'm having issues with. Is it just me or is anyone else having problems?

I posted same problem yesterday. For me it's chrome on a WinXP box. (the failures are flash and skype toolbar.)

Tang suggested a virus/malware. I've been pretty diligent about checks but I'm going to do a full check with a pure source in a bit.

98 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:23:01am
“To say that people of faith have no role in the public square?"

There is nothing in Kennedy's speech that even remotely resembles this statement.

99 steve_davis  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:23:08am

re: #5 Gus

I don't suppose this knucklehead realizes that his very own presence in this election is a contradiction to his own claims.

JFK is viewed as the last of the Democratic hawks. Of course, among other things, he got hoodwinked into Vietnam, and he got conned by his generals into intitiating a ballistic missile race, at a time when most of Russia's liquid-fueled rockets would have taken hours to fuel, and when their bombers could not have actually made it to most U.S. targets.

100 steve_davis  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:23:47am

re: #99 steve_davis

crap. have no idea why that reply went to you. Sorry!

101 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:24:34am

re: #98 BongCrodny

There is nothing in Kennedy's speech that even remotely resembles this statement.

That's understandable. There's nothing in Rick Santorum's public comments that even remotely resembles reality.

102 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:31:19am

re: #98 BongCrodny

There is nothing in Kennedy's speech that even remotely resembles this statement.

Rick is counting on most of the folk not fact-checking and just taking his word for it.

103 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:33:45am

If our government worked the way Frothy wanted, then Catholics would have been marginalized from the US government since the era of the Know-Nothing Party.

The total lack of perspective is amazing. Does anybody remember when the right was fear-mongering about post-modernism in universities? Because it seems like they've embraced the most self-indulgent aspects of that movement to construct their walled-in worldview.

104 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:53:27am

Heh:

105 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:54:16am

re: #54 A Mom Anon

I'm having issues with LGF. In IE9 I can't click on any links,the site freezes if I do. In Chrome,when I come here the site will only partially load and I get a little window that pops up telling me something is crashing. Googleads is one,I think a flash player is another one. Then the browser just shuts itself down. I can't log in using Chrome at all. I've run scans for everything I can rub them for,but LGF is the only site I'm having issues with. Is it just me or is anyone else having problems?

This seems to be a problem that only happens in Windows XP, and it's somehow related to the Adobe Flash Player. I'm still looking into it, but in the meantime if you can use Firefox, that browser seems to work fine in Win XP.

You should consider updating to Windows 7, though -- Win XP is really showing its age, and problems like this are probably just going to get worse as time goes on.

106 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:56:59am
“I don’t believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute. The idea that the church can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our country,” said Santorum Frothy Mixture.

He didn't have a chance in hell anyway, but this paragraph alone is an automatic disqualification for the nomination based on a clear ignorance of the Bill of Rights. What a fucking moron.

107 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:01:03pm

The thing most of the conservative christian office holders forget is that you aren't voted into office to fulfill your personal values, instead you are voted into office to represent all of your constituents - not JUST the conservative fundamentalist christian ones.

108 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:01:47pm

re: #106 My Camera Does Not Make Me A Good Photographer

He didn't have a chance in hell anyway, but this paragraph alone is an automatic disqualification for the nomination based on a clear ignorance of the Bill of Rights. What a fucking moron.

Sadly, there are morons out there who think that these statements by Santorum make him more electable, not less. They'll praise him for speaking the truth and blast anyone who criticizes him as an uninformed heathen who's been corrupted by the evil, secular, liberal education system.

I wish I was kidding.

109 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:01:50pm

re: #107 Randall Gross

The thing most of the conservative christian office holders forget is that you aren't voted into office to fulfill your personal values, instead you are voted into office to represent all of your constituents - not JUST the conservative fundamentalist christian ones.

But those are all of their constituents. See, anyone who isn't a hyper-conservative Christian fundamentalist isn't worthy of being represented. Now do you understand how the game is played?

110 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:03:01pm
111 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:03:04pm

re: #97 kirkspencer

I posted same problem yesterday. For me it's chrome on a WinXP box. (the failures are flash and skype toolbar.)

Tang suggested a virus/malware. I've been pretty diligent about checks but I'm going to do a full check with a pure source in a bit.

I confirmed that it's a problem in Windows XP, no need to do a virus scan.

I think I've narrowed it down to the cause. If you visit this page in Chrome now, it should work fine:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

112 austin_blue  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:06:57pm

re: #106 My Camera Does Not Make Me A Good Photographer

He didn't have a chance in hell anyway, but this paragraph alone is an automatic disqualification for the nomination based on a clear ignorance of the Bill of Rights. What a fucking moron.

But he's *not* running for Prexie right now. He's running to beat Mittens. The R's have brought this down from on high. It's almost as if God Almighty is serving up a big dish of Whoopass.

Which would be hilarious, if true.

113 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:11:53pm

The Freepers are starting to bleat about Santorum's comments on JFK:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

114 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:11:56pm

re: #107 Randall Gross

The thing most of the conservative christian office holders forget is that you aren't voted into office to fulfill your personal values, instead you are voted into office to represent all of your constituents - not JUST the conservative fundamentalist christian ones.

I think the liberals forget that as well. Gay Republican representatives for example shouldn't be required or expected to govern on a "pro-gay" agenda. They are representing their district not their personal belief system. Obama couldn't be elected if he ran on a "pro-black"/Al Sharpton platform.

115 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:12:18pm

re: #106 My Camera Does Not Make Me A Good Photographer

He didn't have a chance in hell anyway, but this paragraph alone is an automatic disqualification for the nomination based on a clear ignorance of the Bill of Rights. What a fucking moron.

At this point I'm not sure it's ignorance that leads them--by which I mean all the various stripes of theocrat currently circulating in this nation--to these conclusions about interpreting the Constitution. Rather, they've already decided how the country should work, and now are engaged in sophistry to convince others--and perhaps themselves--that this is how it always should have been. Hence the fetishism of "original intent," et cetera.

Essentially they're approaching the Constitution and the Bill of Rights as gnostic (small g) documents that can only be properly interpreted by a small group of "elect" people. It's eerily similar to the way they twist the contents of the Bible to create Free Market Warrior Jesus & the Gospel of Sharks go to Heaven; Sheep and Goats should STFU and accept their low-caste status.

116 Tigger2005  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:13:59pm

I wonder if this makes Santorum want to puke too?

“Well, let me speak plainly: The United States of America is and must remain a nation of openness to people of all beliefs. Our very unity has been strengthened by this pluralism. That’s how we began; this is how we must always be. The ideals of our country leave no room whatsoever for intolerance, anti-Semitism, or bigotry of any kind — none. The unique thing about America is a wall in our Constitution separating church and state. It guarantees there will never be a state religion in this land, but at the same time it makes sure that every single American is free to choose and practice his or her religious beliefs or to choose no religion at all. Their rights shall not be questioned or violated by the state.” — Remarks at the International Convention of B’nai B’rith, 6 September 1984 (President RONALD WILSON REAGAN)

117 jaunte  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:15:57pm

Divine intervention:

Karen Santorum, the wife of GOP presidential front-runner Rick Santorum, told talk show host Glenn Beck on Thursday that it is "God's will" that her husband is seeking the presidency though she was initially opposed to the idea.
....
"I did always feel in my heart that God had big plans for Rick," she said. "Eventually it was there, tugging at my heart. When Obamacare passed, that was it. That put the fire in my belly."[Link: www.christianpost.com...]

Insurance companies will now be barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Apparently this is against God's will.

118 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:16:18pm

re: #114 Killgore Trout

Remember those downdings you were looking for before??

///

119 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:16:26pm

re: #116 Tigger2005
Probably so. He is also thinking Ron was a "traitor."

120 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:17:53pm

re: #113 Lidane

The Freepers are starting to bleat about Santorum's comments on JFK:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

I hear all these people who also think religion has no place anywhere near government. These are the people who remove original crosses and such from seals of cities. Don’t they read the constitution? Our government was based on Gd. Do they really only want atheists in office?

I thought "Gd" was funny.

121 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:19:32pm

Maureen Dowd sums it up nicely:

Ghastly Outdated Party

The Republicans, with their crazed Reagan fixation, are a last-gasp party, living posthumously, fighting battles on sex, race, immigration and public education long ago won by the other side.

They’re trying to roll back the clock, but time is passing them by.

122 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:19:39pm

re: #116 Tigger2005

I wonder if this makes Santorum want to puke too?

That was just Ronnie pandering to the Jewish vote at time. He didn't really mean it. Newt said so!

123 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:21:39pm

re: #122 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

That was just Ronnie pandering to the Jewish vote at time. He didn't really mean it. Newt said so!
lol

124 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:22:16pm

re: #114 Killgore Trout

I think the liberals forget that as well. Gay Republican representatives for example shouldn't be required or expected to govern on a "pro-gay" agenda. They are representing their district not their personal belief system. Obama couldn't be elected if he ran on a "pro-black"/Al Sharpton platform.

There's also the factor of acting both as a representative and a leader. part of the latter is a willingness to take flak in pulling and pushing to get the *right* thing done.

Of course there is also this silly issue with what actions are actually "right".

125 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:22:25pm

re: #117 jaunte

"I did always feel in my heart that God had big plans for Rick Frothy," she said. "Eventually it was there, tugging at my heart. When Obamacare passed, that was it. That put the fire in my belly."[

Good grief, Mrs. Frothy. What in the world makes you think God has big plans for some and not big plans for others? The arrogance of this statement is so aggravating.

126 blueraven  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:22:38pm

re: #114 Killgore Trout

I think the liberals forget that as well. Gay Republican representatives for example shouldn't be required or expected to govern on a "pro-gay" agenda. They are representing their district not their personal belief system. Obama couldn't be elected if he ran on a "pro-black"/Al Sharpton platform.

Perhaps not, but a "pro equal rights" agenda is always a good idea.
One does not need to be so openly against certain groups of people.
Americans dont take kindly to rights being taken away.

127 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:24:54pm

re: #114 Killgore Trout

Gay Republican representatives for example shouldn't be required or expected to govern on a "pro-gay" agenda. They are representing their district not their personal belief system. Obama couldn't be elected if he ran on a "pro-black"/Al Sharpton platform.

WTF is a "pro-gay" agenda? For that matter, what is "pro-black"?

If you're talking about being in favor of equal rights and civil rights under the law, then yeah. You'd think that people who belong to a minority group would be sympathetic to the idea of being treated as equals under the law.

128 Tigger2005  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:25:05pm

re: #121 Lidane

Maureen Dowd sums it up nicely:

Ghastly Outdated Party

Hell, I wish they WERE still fixated on Ronald Reagan. The REAL Reagan, not the Christlike figure they've encased in carbonite and mounted on the wall and turned into whatever they want him to be. They've actually shown that they've become willing to trash the real Reagan when they have to. He and Saint Ronnie are different things. Just like they can praise Jesus and ignore 95% of what he (or the people who wrote the Gospels, anyway) had to say.

129 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:25:36pm

re: #120 My Camera Does Not Make Me A Good Photographer

I thought "Gd" was funny.

They just don't get it.

130 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:26:08pm

re: #110 Lidane

Line of the day.

Correct me, but Dowd is not especially an Obama fangirl, IIRC.

131 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:27:37pm

re: #114 Killgore Trout

I think the liberals forget that as well. Gay Republican representatives for example shouldn't be required or expected to govern on a "pro-gay" agenda. They are representing their district not their personal belief system. Obama couldn't be elected if he ran on a "pro-black"/Al Sharpton platform.

You're missing a key difference though. Obama's positions are in fact more pro black than his opposition, the fact that he doesn't overtly run on such a platform doesn't say much when it also happens to be a more effective way for him to advance liberal interests. Gay, atheist, brown and black Republicans on the other hand belong to a party that actively works against their interests, through membership they're tacitly supporting the subversion of their own cause.

132 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:29:21pm

The establishment clause clearly states that government cannot be in the business of religion. At the same time it also cannot obstruct the free practice of any or no religion. IOW they can watch but not rule through any preferred religion. Bottom line is that religion stays out of government as is reasonably possible.

133 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:32:40pm

re: #114 Killgore Trout

I think the liberals forget that as well. Gay Republican representatives for example shouldn't be required or expected to govern on a "pro-gay" agenda. They are representing their district not their personal belief system. Obama couldn't be elected if he ran on a "pro-black"/Al Sharpton platform.

Mmm.

One thing I'd add is that all elected officials are supposed to be cognizant of the basic rights and liberties guaranteed to all citizens, which are not trumped by the wishes of a dominant population bloc or the majority of one's constituency. "Representing your constituency" by promising to deprive others of civil liberties, or by closing down discussion of civil liberty issues such that groups continue to be marginal, is and should be controversial.

What makes me flinch regarding the current direction of US conservatism is how often the platform of social conservatives incorporates just the above: divvying who gets what civil liberties to create de facto layers of citizenship rights.

134 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:35:06pm

re: #131 goddamnedfrank

Gay, atheist, brown and black Republicans on the other hand belong to a party that actively works against their interests, through membership they're tacitly supporting the subversion of their own cause.

A lot of evangelicals think secular government is working against "their own cause". It's not up to me to criticize what somebody else's cause should be. There are Jews who promote antisemitic conspiracy theories about AIPAC and Israel. I find it more constructive to critisize their ideas and leave their ethnicity, religion or sexual preference out of it.

135 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:35:15pm

It's a bit hilarious. The same people that are telling people in the Middle East to create secular governments in fear of the Islamists are the same ones that want to create a theocratic Christian state in the USA. They also fail to see the slippery slope of their overt adherence to their Gods and the dismantling of the separation of church and state.

136 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:38:13pm

Here's a useful article for everyone:

How to delete your Google Browsing History before new policy

137 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:38:19pm

re: #135 Gus

It's a bit hilarious. The same people that are telling people in the Middle East to create secular governments in fear of the Islamists are the same ones that want to create a theocratic Christian state in the USA. They also fail to see the slippery slope of their overt adherence to their Gods and the dismantling of the separation of church and state.

It appears that hypocrisy is a liberal construct.

138 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:42:42pm

Those Windows XP lockups and crashes are now fixed -- reload the page in IE or Chrome and it should be fine.

139 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:49:08pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson
It is a little faster but I am still getting the script running message.

140 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:50:27pm

re: #135 Gus

It's a bit hilarious. The same people that are telling people in the Middle East to create secular governments in fear of the Islamists are the same ones that want to create a theocratic Christian state in the USA. They also fail to see the slippery slope of their overt adherence to their Gods and the dismantling of the separation of church and state.

I'm not sure it is just lack of perception. They want Islamists out because they close the ideological market, not because of a broader objection to theocratic influence on the state. Indeed I suspect they're thinking strategically that in a secular nation, they can use money and influence to push their brand of Christianity, and bottom-up push toward their ideology controlling civil governance. That's pretty much what's going down in Uganda.

Basically, there's no governing principle regarding the possibility of a slippery slope, just a tribal differance of their slope versus others....

141 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 12:51:09pm

I am sure it does make him sick. Imagine all the f---ed up things he is unable to propose so long as Jesus isn't mentioned in the Constitution.

142 A Mom Anon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:01:32pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

I have Windows 7. This computer is only about a yr old. Chrome is still crashing,but IE9 is sort of doing better,I can get the links to open now,but it's really slow.

143 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:01:38pm

re: #136 Lidane

Here's a useful article for everyone:

How to delete your Google Browsing History before new policy

Thanks. I'm guessing this is something I ought to do, at least to make Google's irritating doomesday popup go away.

144 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:01:40pm

re: #136 Lidane

Here's a useful article for everyone:

How to delete your Google Browsing History before new policy

Thanks, I just did it.

145 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:18:56pm

re: #142 A Mom Anon

I have Windows 7. This computer is only about a yr old. Chrome is still crashing,but IE9 is sort of doing better,I can get the links to open now,but it's really slow.

Then I can't duplicate the problem, I'm afraid. I'm logged in with Windows 7 using Chrome right now and it's working fine. IE9 also works.

There definitely was a problem that was crashing the Flash player, but that's fixed now. Don't know what's causing your symptoms.

146 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:20:19pm

Grand Mufti calls for dialogue about the internet

Sheikh Ali Gomaa, the Grand Mufti of Egypt and one of the world's most respected Islamic jurists, has called for greater dialogue and tolerance over the growing challenges created by the explosive growth of social-networking sites such as Twitter and Facebook.

He spoke out after calls for the execution of a young Saudi journalist over remarks he made about the Prophet Mohammed on Twitter, with Sheikh Ali saying: "We don't kill our sons, we talk to them."

147 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:22:52pm

re: #136 Lidane

Here's a useful article for everyone:

How to delete your Google Browsing History before new policy

I think my only Google 'account' is a gmail that I don't use. If I just trash it, would that have any effect on simple Google searches? I see this becoming a page.

148 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:24:21pm

re: #136 Lidane

Here's a useful article for everyone:

How to delete your Google Browsing History before new policy

I went there, then remembered that I actually have web history switched off.

149 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:28:16pm

I found this comic strip about Santorum. "Theocalypse Now," lol.

Your text to link...

150 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:29:42pm

re: #142 A Mom Anon

I have Windows 7. This computer is only about a yr old. Chrome is still crashing,but IE9 is sort of doing better,I can get the links to open now,but it's really slow.

Does Firefox work better?

151 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:29:44pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

A lot of evangelicals think secular government is working against "their own cause".

So? If it's a theocracy they're after they're right, no hypocrisy there, just an abhorrent view of the role of religion in government.

It's not up to me to criticize what somebody else's cause should be.

Yeah, that's total bullshit. You criticize people's causes all the time, spamming the board with every marginal failure even remotely associated with the occupy movement. You even lied blatantly about the women who were pepper sprayed in order to justify your criticism.

What you mean is that in this particular case your facade of neutrality is more important than criticizing obvious hypocrisy.

There are Jews who promote antisemitic conspiracy theories about AIPAC and Israel. I find it more constructive to critisize their ideas and leave their ethnicity, religion or sexual preference out of it.

LOL, you bring up the meme of the self loathing Jew and then claim that their Jewishness isn't part of the story. I don't buy it. I've never seen people mention Neturai Karta or Satmar's anti-zionism in a way that was free from ethnic and religious context, because it's a relevant part of the story. While they demonstrate the complexity of Jewish and Israeli politics, for many their identity makes their positions in a post Holocaust world all the more difficult to understand.

152 blueraven  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:32:12pm

re: #149 My Camera Does Not Make Me A Good Photographer

I found this comic strip about Santorum. "Theocracy Now," lol.

Your text to link...

Theocalypse Now

153 A Mom Anon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:34:51pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson
I've never used Firefox. Hell,I just got used to Chrome ,lol. I'll try it after I get the family some dinner and stuff.

154 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:35:20pm

And so it begins.

155 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:35:25pm

re: #152 blueraven

Theocalypse Now

Fixed just after I posted.

156 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:38:34pm

re: #136 Lidane

Here's a useful article for everyone:

How to delete your Google Browsing History before new policy

Lobotomized it, I think. Is taqiyya a Google construct?

157 blueraven  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:39:19pm

re: #155 My Camera Does Not Make Me A Good Photographer

Fixed just after I posted.

Damn spellchecker!

The comic strip is spot on!

158 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:40:07pm

More photos from the Moscow's "Big White Ring" action for honest elections:

[Link: drugoi.livejournal.com...]

159 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:42:20pm

re: #158 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

More photos from the Moscow's "Big White Ring" action for honest elections:

[Link: drugoi.livejournal.com...]

Image: fts-st-pete-16.jpg

160 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:42:43pm

re: #158 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

More photos from the Moscow's "Big White Ring" action for honest elections:

[Link: drugoi.livejournal.com...]

I can hear the strains of KumBaYa from here!!!

161 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:43:00pm

re: #158 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

More photos from the Moscow's "Big White Ring" action for honest elections:

[Link: drugoi.livejournal.com...]

All those open, hopeful faces. Where is Commissar Pepperspray?

162 Kragar  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:44:34pm

Santorum doubles down on his college hatred screed

Santorum: Obama is ‘a snob’ because he wants ‘everybody in America to go to college’

“Not all folks are gifted in the same way,” Santorum told a crowd of more than 1,000 activists at the Americans for Prosperity forum in Troy, Mich. “Some people have incredible gifts with their hands. Some people have incredible gifts and ... want to work out there making things. President Obama once said he wants everybody in America to go to college. What a snob.”

As the crowd applauded, Santorum continued.

“There are good decent men and women who go out and work hard every day and put their skills to test that aren’t taught by some liberal college professor trying to indoctrinate them,” he said. “Oh, I understand why he wants you to go to college. He wants to remake you in his image. I want to create jobs so people can remake their children into their image, not his.”

Because who needs an affordable college education to get ahead in life when all you need is to do love Jesus and read the Bible?

163 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:45:07pm

re: #161 Decatur Deb

All those open, hopeful faces. Where is Commissar Pepperspray?

Wait till March 5.

164 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:45:35pm

re: #97 kirkspencer

I posted same problem yesterday. For me it's chrome on a WinXP box. (the failures are flash and skype toolbar.)

Tang suggested a virus/malware. I've been pretty diligent about checks but I'm going to do a full check with a pure source in a bit.

Just a guess, but you might try turning off your firewall/virus and try again. Also reset your browser settings to default.

165 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:46:02pm

I want pancakes.

//

166 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:46:13pm

re: #162 Kragar

Oh for fuck's sake, Frothy.

167 erik_t  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:46:24pm

re: #162 Kragar

Santorum doubles down on his college hatred screed

Santorum: Obama is ‘a snob’ because he wants ‘everybody in America to go to college’

Because who needs an affordable college education to get ahead in life when all you need is to do love Jesus and read the Bible?

Man, I fucking hate opportunity.

168 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:46:32pm

re: #164 Red Sea Desjardini Tang

I see Charles has figured it out.

169 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:46:45pm

re: #163 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Wait till March 5.

Bull Connorski's birthday celebration?

170 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:46:52pm

re: #164 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
I am still having script running issues.

171 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:47:43pm

Image: 610x.jpg

A police officer with a sticker attached to his helmet by a protester observes an opposition rally called The White Ring, as protesters build a human chain along the Garden Ring road in Moscow, February 26, 2012. Thousands of Russians joined hands to form a ring around Moscow city centre on Sunday in protest against Vladimir Putin's likely return as president in an election next week. The sticker reads, "Boycott elections".

172 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:48:33pm
173 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:49:10pm

re: #171 Gus

Just a note: "boycott elections" is probably by Limonov's idjits or some such. Boycotting elections = making things easier to falsify = Putin thanks you.

174 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:49:15pm

Russian woman levitating over crowd. //

Image: 610x.jpg

175 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:49:49pm

re: #162 Kragar

1149 comments and counting on that Frothy post. I liked this one:

roblimo
1:37 PM CST
I went into the Army instead of going to college. Got an ASEE and worked as en electronics tech, then as a hardware engineer. Am I a snob because I'm a veteran while Santorum and Obama ducked their military obligation? Not really.

Barack Obama, you're welcome in my house (mobile home in Florida). Bring the wife, kids, and dog if you like. We'll put something on the BBQ grill for you. Give us a little notice and our kids & grandkids from Baltimore will come, too.

Rick Santorum, you're a religious loon. I don't think we have anything in common. Sorry.

176 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:49:57pm

re: #174 Gus

Russian woman levitating over crowd. //

Image: 610x.jpg

Actually, it's the annual CATCH A BRIDE contest

177 erik_t  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:50:49pm

I'm trying to remember the last ostensibly-serious presidential candidate that I heard saying various schools of thought made him 'want to puke', or talking about how so-and-so was a 'snob'.

Palin might be more nuanced.

178 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:51:03pm

re: #176 sattv4u2

Actually, it's the annual CATCH A BRIDE contest

That's from another event.

A Russian woman is thrown in the air as she and others have fun enjoying celebrations of Maslenitsa, or Pancake Week, outside the village of Aksyonovo, some 30 kms (18 miles) east of Moscow, Russia, Sunday, Feb. 26, 2012. Maslenitsa is traditional Russian holiday marking the end of winter that dates back to the pagan times.

[Link: news.daylife.com...]

179 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:51:06pm

re: #176 sattv4u2

Actually, it's the annual CATCH A BRIDE contest

Does WKRP drop them from helicopters?

180 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:51:40pm

re: #162 Kragar

Santorum doubles down on his college hatred screed

Which is hilarious considering his education:

Santorum attended Pennsylvania State University for his undergraduate studies, serving as chairman of the university's College Republicans chapter and graduating with a Bachelor of Arts with honors in political science in 1980. He then completed a one-year Master of Business Administration program at the University of Pittsburgh's Joseph M. Katz Graduate School of Business, graduating in 1981. Santorum received a JD with honors from the Dickinson School of Law in 1986.

So he's got a BA, an MBA, and a JD. That's actually one more degree than Barack Obama, since the POTUS has a BA and a JD.

181 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:52:11pm

re: #178 Gus

Maslenitsa <- maslo, butter/oil.

182 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:52:14pm

re: #179 Decatur Deb
lol That is only for turkeys. /

183 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:52:44pm

re: #181 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Maslenitsa <- maslo, butter/oil.

Uh oh! Get the pepper spray!

Image: 610x.jpg

Page here.

184 Sionainn  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:53:46pm

re: #153 A Mom Anon

I've never used Firefox. Hell,I just got used to Chrome ,lol. I'll try it after I get the family some dinner and stuff.

Firefox is easypeasy and it has a good ad blocker as well...just download that after you install Firefox. I had nothing but problems with IE.

186 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:54:35pm

re: #179 Decatur Deb

Does WKRP drop them from helicopters?

Richard Sanders actually got gigs on radio stations doing recreations of the Les Nessman/"Turkeys Away" play-by-play.

187 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:54:45pm

re: #178 Gus

Here are some celebration photos:

[Link: www.ridus.ru...]

188 Kragar  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:55:17pm

re: #175 My Camera Does Not Make Me A Good Photographer

1149 comments and counting on that Frothy post. I liked this one:

This:

kerryberger
8:42 AM PST
Santorum wants to keep a college education out of the hands of the masses and only available for elitists like him. That is why he calls Obama a snob. In today's economy, a community college or university degree is becoming more and more important. Interestingly, I believe Santorum and other Republican candidates are scared at the statistics of more women graduating from university then men, which means that the reign by white, male politicians is numbered. Mr. Santorum is a fool and a dangerous one. He is not presidential material.

189 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:55:17pm

re: #183 Gus

Uh oh! Get the pepper spray!

Image: 610x.jpg

Page here.

[Link: www.ridus.ru...]

190 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:56:21pm

re: #187 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Here are some celebration photos:

[Link: www.ridus.ru...]

Happy and healthy.

191 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:56:54pm

Pagans!

Derp. //

192 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:57:30pm

re: #186 BongCrodny

Richard Sanders actually got gigs on radio stations doing recreations of the Les Nessman/"Turkeys Away" play-by-play.

I'm pretty certain I remember a real-life screwup that inspired the script. It was in the IN/KY/Southern IL area.

193 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:58:57pm

re: #192 Decatur Deb
I believe it was Gordon Jump who worked at a station that actually preformed the "drop."

194 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:59:03pm

re: #190 Gus

Happy and healthy.

Needs more zombie popes.

195 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:59:24pm

re: #191 Gus

Pagans!

Derp. //

It is pagan, but everybody celebrates it.

BTW, maslenitsa in Australia:

Image: Au_maslenitsa.JPG

196 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:59:44pm

re: #194 Decatur Deb

Needs more zombie popes.

And less choking. //

197 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:01:00pm

re: #195 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

It is pagan, but everybody celebrates it.

BTW, maslenitsa in Australia:

Image: Au_maslenitsa.JPG

Maslenitsa

Maslenitsa (Russian: Ма́сленица, Ukrainian: Масниця, Belarusian: Масьленіца, Maślenica, also known as Butter Week, Pancake week or Cheesefare Week), is a Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian religious and folk holiday. It is celebrated during the last week before Great Lent—that is, the seventh week before Pascha (Easter). Maslenitsa corresponds to the Western Christian Carnival, except that Orthodox Lent begins on a Monday instead of a Wednesday. The Orthodox date of Easter can differ greatly from the Western Christian date. In 2008, for example, Maslenitsa was celebrated from March 2 to March 8 and in 2012 it is celebrated from February 20 to February 26.

Maslenitsa has its origins in both pagan and Christian traditions. In Slavic mythology, Maslenitsa is a sun festival, celebrating the imminent end of the winter.

On the Christian side, Maslenitsa is the last week before the onset of Great Lent. During Maslenitsa week, meat is already forbidden to Orthodox Christians, making it a myasopustnaya nedelya (Russian: мясопустная неделя, English "meat-empty week" or "meat-fast week"). It is the last week during which milk, cheese and other dairy products are permitted, leading to its other name of "Cheese-fare week" or 'Pancake week. During Lent, meat, fish, dairy products and eggs are forbidden. Furthermore, Lent also excludes parties, secular music, dancing and other distractions from the spiritual life. Thus, Maslenitsa represents the last chance to partake of dairy products and those social activities that are not appropriate during the more prayerful, sober and introspective Lenten season.

198 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:01:53pm

re: #193 PhillyPretzel

I believe it was Gordon Jump who worked at a station that actually preformed the "drop."

Somebody called out "Hey, Jump!" and turkeys, being turkeys....

199 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:02:00pm

This is offensive. I will now proceed to choke you.

//

200 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:02:25pm

re: #199 Gus

This is offensive. I will now proceed to choke you.

//

Calm down, Darth! /

201 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:03:35pm

[Link: www.ridus.ru...]

202 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:03:41pm

Dog festival. BBL

203 Kragar  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:04:32pm

Gingrich warns Ga. church of role of “secular left” in America

“The forces of the secular left believe passionately and deeply, and with frankly a religious fervor, in their world view and they will regard what I am saying as a horrifying assault on what they think is the truth,” Gingrich said. “Because their version of the truth is to have a totally neutral government that has no meaning.”

204 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:05:05pm

re: #201 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

[Link: www.ridus.ru...]

Same dude?

Image: 999x.jpg

205 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:05:35pm

re: #174 Gus

Russian woman levitating over crowd. //

Image: 610x.jpg

Hrmmm...

206 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:06:53pm

They're taking over!

Image: 999x.jpg

207 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:07:09pm

re: #204 Gus

Same dude?

Image: 999x.jpg

I don't think so. Also, something tells me the dude in the car might be a dudette. ;)

Anyway, all this means that this action is a terrorist anti-Israel gathering.

208 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:07:27pm

re: #206 Gus

They're taking over!

Image: 999x.jpg

Either that ,, or they all have the same father with strong genes!!

209 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:07:36pm

re: #207 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

I don't think so. Also, something tells me the dude in the car might be a dudette. ;)

Anyway, all this means that this action is a terrorist anti-Israel gathering.

Clearly.

//

210 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:08:59pm

re: #209 Gus

Clearly.

//

"Then we are agreed!" (c) Mr.Cholmondeley-Warner

211 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:09:05pm

re: #207 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Nah, it means that they're all Catholic theocrats. Who knew there were so many in Moscow?

212 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:09:18pm

re: #203 Kragar

Gingrich warns Ga. church of role of “secular left” in America

“Because their version of the truth is to have a totally neutral government that has no meaning.”

Dear Jackass,

A government that represents ALL of its people by remaining neutral in terms of favoring one religion over another isn't evil. It's what the Founders intended.

A real historian would know that. Also, kindly STFU and get bent, you batshit crazy carnival barker.

No love,
Me

213 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:09:33pm

re: #207 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

I don't think so. Also, something tells me the dude in the car might be a dudette. ;)

Anyway, all this means that this action is a terrorist anti-Israel gathering.

1000s of anti-Israeli protesters in Guy Fawkes masks gather in Moscow to protest Putin.

//

214 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:09:35pm

re: #211 Obdicut

Nah, it means that they're all Catholic theocrats. Who knew there were so many in Moscow?

Clearly Vatican-sponsored.

215 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:10:00pm

re: #212 Lidane

Dear Jackass,

A government that represents ALL of its people by remaining neutral in terms of favoring one religion over another isn't evil. It's what the Founders intended.

A real historian would know that. Also, kindly STFU and get bent, you batshit crazy carnival barker.

No love,
Me

Can I get an "Amen" for this?

///

216 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:10:15pm

re: #214 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Clearly Vatican RON PAUL! -sponsored.

FTFY

217 Kragar  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:10:43pm

Santorum stands by ‘snob’ comment, says conservatives ‘singled out’ and ‘ridiculed’ at colleges

Asked by Stephanopoulos on Sunday about the “indoctrination” comment, Santorum defended the remark, arguing that conservatives are “singled out” and “ridiculed” at most American colleges.

“I mean, you look at the colleges and universities,” Santorum said. “This is not something that’s new for most Americans, is how liberal our colleges and universities are and how many children in fact are – look, I’ve gone through it. I went through it at Penn State.”

“You talk to most kids who go to college who are conservatives, and you are singled out, you are ridiculed, you are — I can tell you personally. . . I went through a process where I was docked for my conservative views. This is sort of a regular routine. You know the statistic . . . that 62 percent of kids who enter college with some sort of faith commitment leave without it. This is not a neutral setting.”

DAMN YOU REALITY!

218 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:10:49pm

re: #216 Gus

FTFY

Personally, I suspect the Zombie Pope is the culprit.

219 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:12:20pm

re: #211 Obdicut

Nah, it means that they're all Catholic theocrats. Who knew there were so many in Moscow?

Actually, Gus and I found exactly 2. ;)

220 Kragar  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:13:18pm

re: #217 Kragar

Santorum stands by ‘snob’ comment, says conservatives ‘singled out’ and ‘ridiculed’ at colleges

DAMN YOU REALITY!

The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.
Thomas Aquinas

221 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:13:41pm

re: #217 Kragar

His statistic is complete bullshit. Colleges don't produce 62% of atheists out of believers. There's a drop of religious activity while people are in college. Because there's beer and sex and foozball. Some people switch religions. And then they graduate and religious activity picks back up again.

In fact, education positively affects religious participation, devotional activities, and emphasizing the importance of religion in daily life

222 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:13:56pm

re: #219 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Actually, Gus and I found exactly 2. ;)

2... 1,000s. What's the difference?

//

223 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:14:42pm

re: #222 Gus

2... 1,000s. What's the difference?

//

As I said yesterday, and I quote, there are 10 kinds of people: those who get binary and those who don't. /

224 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:15:11pm

re: #220 Kragar

The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.
Thomas Aquinas

What the hell would Thomas Aquinas know? He's probably some snobby European intellectual or something.

/Santorum

225 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:17:10pm

Puppets?

[Link: www.ridus.ru...]

226 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:18:11pm

re: #225 Gus

Puppets?

[Link: www.ridus.ru...]

Yep.

227 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:18:55pm

D'oh!

Jerry Brown takes on Washington Times reporter

Gov. Jerry Brown tangled with a reporter from the conservative Washington Times newspaper after his meeting with Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius on Saturday.

At one point Brown, who was defending his earlier tenure as governor and his efforts to bridge the state’s budget gap, asked the reporter: “Are you a Moonie?”

The Washington Times was founded in 1982 by Sun Myung Moon, head of the Unification Church, whose followers were often referred to informally as Moonies...

228 blueraven  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:19:18pm

re: #217 Kragar

Santorum stands by ‘snob’ comment, says conservatives ‘singled out’ and ‘ridiculed’ at colleges

DAMN YOU REALITY!

He is wrong on his facts again

A study published 2007 in the journal Social Forces — which PBS reports that Santorum’s claim is based on, although his spokesman didn’t respond to TPM’s request for confirmation — finds that Americans who don’t go to college experience a steeper decline in their religiosity than those who do.
“Contrary to our own and others’ expectations, however, young adults who never enrolled in college are presently the least religious young Americans,” the journal concluded, noting that “64 percent of those currently enrolled in a traditional four-year institution have curbed their attendance habits. Yet, 76 percent of those who never enrolled in college report a decline in religious service attendance

Read more: [Link: www.digitaljournal.com...]

229 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:20:04pm

re: #228 blueraven

He is wrong on his facts again

That's a feature, not a bug.

230 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:21:36pm

re: #226 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Yep.

Are you a Moonie?

//

231 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:22:12pm

Brown just Tweeted that article and that Tweet just went missing.

232 blueraven  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:22:41pm

re: #229 Lidane

That's a feature, not a bug.

True, but it needs to be pointed out and...ahem, spread about as much as possible.

233 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:22:56pm

re: #217 Kragar

Santorum stands by ‘snob’ comment, says conservatives ‘singled out’ and ‘ridiculed’ at colleges

Y'know, Rick, there's always Bob Jones University, Oral Roberts University, or Liberty University.

234 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:23:37pm

The whole Big White Ring in 5 minutes:

235 allegro  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:25:20pm

re: #233 BongCrodny

Y'know, Rick, there's always Bob Jones University, Oral Roberts University, or Liberty University.

He'd be an asshole there too and say that they just weren't pure enough... or something.

236 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:30:40pm
“To say that people of faith have no role in the public square? You bet that makes you throw up. What kind of country do we live that says only people of non-faith can come into the public square and make their case?” Santorum said.

No one has ever said that you dipshit and you know it, nice use of over exaggerated hyperbolic hyperbole though. Sort of like how God has supposedly been Banned! from the nations schools and children aren't allowed prayer or even bible reading on school property.

In this country the government is supposed to follow the Constitution and the decisions made by the courts on matters of law, not your own personal interpretation of the Bible.

237 erik_t  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:34:03pm

re: #233 BongCrodny

Y'know, Rick, there's always Bob Jones University, Oral Roberts University, or Liberty University.

You need more quotation marks.

238 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:38:34pm

re: #237 erik_t

You need more quotation marks.

Then again, maybe if you go to those "schools" you do come out less religious than when you started.

239 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:39:58pm

BBL

240 Amory Blaine  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:42:07pm

I'm pretty sure Santorum is the best conservatives can come up with.

241 Kragar  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:45:17pm

re: #240 Amory Blaine

I'm pretty sure Santorum is the best conservatives can come up with.

And according to Conservatives, the only reason they can lose is because the candidates aren't conservative enough.

242 engineer cat  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 3:05:01pm

christ died for your sins but only the archbishop can shred them

243 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 3:30:26pm

re: #153 A Mom Anon

I've never used Firefox. Hell,I just got used to Chrome ,lol. I'll try it after I get the family some dinner and stuff.

I finally switched to Firefox from I.E. because of this site a couple of years ago, threads with 600 plus posts would crash I.E. while Firefox worked perfectly even when threads occasionally hit over a thousand posts.

Firefox works with absolutely no problems on about 99.5% of the sites I visit and unlike Chrome I don't have to worry about Google keeping a record of every single site I visit and every link I click while I'm there to target me with more ads themselves and to sell to other advertisers.

Firefox does have one stupid feature though, if you go to a site that causes you to crash/lock-up it will automatically go back there when you open it again after using ctrl-alt-dlt or a reboot to clear the problem, and just crash/lock-up your computer again without even asking your preference of whether to load the old pages or not.

The only way to stop this is to manually edit the Mozilla Config file which is not a very user friendly approach for those who aren't really that comfortable with or knowledgeable about altering programs. I wish the Mozilla team would just add it to the preference menu...

244 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 3:40:52pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout
I am probably not properly understanding your points but to me the left and right causes are no longer balanced.
I don't see high profile democratic political leaders being pro gay or pro black in the same sense that the Republican party is pro Christian.
There are no Democratic pro gay leaders who run on a platform of anti straight or anti white who demonize all straight or all white people.
Sure the white nationalist who have also taken over the modern Republican party have been successful in convincing a lot of people that whites or straights or Christians are the true minority or victims but the ones who fall for it are weak little cowards anyways.

245 ReamWorks SKG  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 3:42:42pm
Separation of church and state" (sometimes "wall of separation between church and state") is a phrase used by Thomas Jefferson (in his 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptists) and others expressing an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. The phrase has since been repeatedly cited by the Supreme Court of the United States.

The First Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...." and Article VI specifies that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

246 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 3:49:36pm

re: #242 engineer cat

christ died for your sins but only the archbishop can shred them

You obviously have not played "The Darkness II"....

247 Tigger2005  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 4:03:29pm

re: #116 Tigger2005

I wonder if this makes Santorum want to puke too?

You know, even though I no longer adore Reagan like I used to (I voted for the first time for his re-election in 1984), and I know he and his advisors and cabinet members did things while in office that may not have bothered me at the time but do now, I am not ashamed or embarrassed to say I voted for him. For all his faults he certainly had a much better understanding of what America is all about than those today who claim him as their demigod.

248 jamesfirecat  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:30:23pm

re: #128 Tigger2005

Hell, I wish they WERE still fixated on Ronald Reagan. The REAL Reagan, not the Christlike figure they've encased in carbonite and mounted on the wall and turned into whatever they want him to be. They've actually shown that they've become willing to trash the real Reagan when they have to. He and Saint Ronnie are different things. Just like they can praise Jesus and ignore 95% of what he (or the people who wrote the Gospels, anyway) had to say.

Ronald Reagan is like the God Emperor of Mankind, a spirit which is not being allowed to depart from this world as his worshippers bind him in place and twist all his teachings at the same time.

249 Areopagitica  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:07:56pm

I don't understand how people like him can claim to be a strict constitutionalist?

Ricky is basically saying that the Federalists Papers, Jefferson, Franklin, Locke and lets throw in Joseph Priestly, and Roger Williams to boot, folks who directly and indirectly influenced the ideals which what would become the U.S. Constitution are just wrong. What a sick joke, and as mentioned before, he is basically saying that he will not preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. I can truly not think of anyone more unfit to be the President and any GOPer voting for him should go flog themselves for undermining this country. I'm shocked that this nimrod Sanatarium even got elected to a public office in the first place.

Maybe Rick can go star in a silent film so that we no longer have to hear the garbage that he spews from his speak hole. Oh wait, holes are sinful, corrupting human features that are disgustingly promoted by Obama's desire to subvert Christianity by wanting kids to go to college...uh huh


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Randall Gross
Android 5.0 Lollipop Encryption Found to Hamper Storage Performance by Up to 80 Percent - TechSpot
None should be surprised that strong disk encryption requires more resource, it's a known factor that we need to take into account in all new designs. SHA 256 and up take up some computer resource, and that's why future disks ...

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teleskiguy
“Chelsea Hotel” performed by Tal Wilkenfeld
I first saw Austrailian bass player Tal Wilkenfeld play with Jeff Beck (not live, mind you. On YouTube) and was amazed at her skills and chops. She was only 20 when she scored that gig. She's coming into her own ...

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FemNaziBitch
History of Laws Concerning Immigration and Naturalization in the United States -WIKI
The United States Constitution was adopted on September 17, 1787. Article I, section 8, clause 4 of the Constitution expressly gives the United States Congress the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization.[1] Pursuant to this power, Congress ...

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Lumberhead
Former Senator Jim Webb Launches Presidential Exploratory Committee
On Wednesday night, the former one-term Virginia senator and Navy secretary in the Reagan administration announced the launch of a presidential exploratory committee for 2016. While not a formal campaign committee, the move allows Webb, a Democrat, to raise ...

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MichaelJ
COMFORTABLY NUMB - Peahi Nov 12 on Vimeo
Channel angle of the Nov 12th swell at Peahi.

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Romantic Heretic
Money Makes Us Less Rational
Here's an interesting article on scientific studies that demonstrate how rationality and empathy break down is the presence of large amounts of money.

1 week ago
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Indy GOP Refugee
Dissent Goes Missing in Pro-Labor L.A. City Council - LA Times
That is not good govenance. The San Fernando Valley lawmaker stood up at a recent meeting and rattled off numbers from a new report on the city's economic health. Sales tax revenue? Up 26% since 2009. Business tax revenue? Up ...

1 week, 4 days ago
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wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality
Uncomfortable Xi-Abe Handshake Spawns New Winnie the Pooh Comparison
Asian powerhouses China and Japan have not been on the best of terms lately, following disagreements over who has claim to some islands -- and possible undersea gas and oil fields -- in the South China Sea. So perhaps we ...

1 week, 5 days ago
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EiMitch
CollegeHumor: If Call of Duty Were Treated Like A Real Thing
Mildly NSFW (bleeped-out language) CollegeHumor seems to be doing a bit of cross-promotion with CoD: Advanced Warfare. Consider that disclosure. That aside, it was funny because... Actually I can't explain without spoiling it. As for the game being advertised, I ...

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Three Chord Monty
Michael Moore defends Bill Maher
"You may not agree with Bill on everything. Yet I'm guessing you love it when he goes after the Uterun Police/Protectors of Child Rapists (also known as The Vatican), or when he brilliantly satirizes the crazy Christian Right which ...

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 Frank says:

The single-child yuppo-family that uses the child as a status object: 'A perfect child? Of course! We have one here -- he's under the coffee table. Ralph, stand up! Play the violin!'