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1 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:12:39pm

When is Mr. Aladeen due to arrive?

2 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:13:19pm

re: #1 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

When is Mr. Aladdin due to arrive?

His carpet got a little sewn up, sorry.

3 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:16:05pm

Here's to all women everywhere who are perfectly willing to let someone else, anyone else, do what is necessary to get their body and face into red-carpet shape.

4 Bubblehead II  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:18:10pm

Yawn. I think I will go work on my new Page. Nothing exciting as the Oscars, but perhaps more informative.

5 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:19:41pm
6 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:19:49pm

So, how badly is John Carter going to tank?

7 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:20:05pm

re: #6 The Right Height

So, how badly is John Carter going to tank?

The crater will be viewable from space.

8 engineer cat  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:24:11pm

i'm selling my house in chevy chase and moving to glenn close

9 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:25:25pm

Received today from an admirer in Minnesota:

Fakegate, Climategate. You man-made global warming religion has been taking a beating.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hurr.

10 Kragar  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:26:29pm

re: #5 Gus

Hey. Krager went to the Oscars.

Thats not me.

11 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:28:53pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Received today from an admirer in Minnesota:

Hurr.

Many [topic] deniers I've seen try to present the [topic] as a religion. Wattsupwiththat?

12 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:28:55pm

And we have EmmmieG, who is dressed for the Oscars in a sweatshirt she chose because "I have a cold and I'm trying to get over it," the skirt she wore to church and a pair of fuzzy socks. Her hair is done a la scrunchie, and she is proud to say she was wearing earrings at one point today. Let's ask her about how she prepared.

Did you get any $5,000 makeovers in preparation for this event?

Um, no. Isn't that more like a college scholarship amount?

Did you try any exotic purges?

Not unless someone has invented the cookie dough purge.

Are your shoes worth more than entire South American provinces?

Well, in my mind, if it's raining out and I really need to mail this letter.

Special diet?

No, I just basically ate like a normal person. A normal person who had to be sure the leftovers got eaten up.

Did you borrow your dress from a famous designer?

No, since the day my sister left for college, I stopped borrowing other people's clothes.

Will you be disappointed if you don't win tonight?

Not particularly. I haven't acted in anything since a youth camp skit.

From where you will be watching the Oscars?

I won't. I have to make dinner for my family. But if I were, it would be from a comfy chair.

13 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:29:09pm

re: #5 Gus

Hey. Krager went to the Oscars.

Ah there he is.

14 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:29:47pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Received today from an admirer in Minnesota:

Hurr.

Don't worry. I've already requisitioned a moose to be sent to his house.

15 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:30:27pm

re: #14 thedopefishlives

Don't worry. I've already requisitioned a moose to be sent to his house.

Then the moose will byte his sister. And so it begins...

16 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:30:55pm

I found some good news from Wikipedia:

Nimr al-Nimr

Al-Nimr stated that the United States (US) "wants to humiliate the world." In August 2008, he said that he sees US citizens as a natural ally of Shia as the thinking of both US citizens and Shia is "based on justice and liberty"

He believes that the Saudi government is "particularly reactionary" and that "agitation" is needed to influence governments in general and the Saudi government in particular. Al-Nimr has made statements "perceived as supporting Iran". In August 2008, he stated that he believes that Iran and other states outside of Saudi Arabia act mainly out of self-interest, not out of religious solidarity.

I see an opportunity to weaken Saudi Arabia! Support the "Saudi" Shia, getting them onto our side. Most of the Saudi Oil comes from areas where the Shia are the majority. So, the Saudis lose most of their wealth, massively weakening them. At that point, the mainline Sunni states in the North could be prodded into attacking the remainder, and get rid of the Saudi Government, and smash the Salafi Spider.

17 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:31:07pm

re: #11 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Many [topic] deniers I've seen try to present the [topic] as a religion. Wattsupwiththat?

That's because it hurts! Since we dealing with science and all scientists are atheists it's basically like calling atheism a religion! Take that you, you, atheists!

Derp.

//

18 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:31:43pm

re: #11 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Many [topic] deniers I've seen try to present the [topic] as a religion. Wattsupwiththat?

It's the usual projection BS. Rather than admit that their own beliefs are completely non-rational and false, they project the same level of ignorance onto their enemies -- enemies, in this case, being the world's entire scientific community.

19 engineer cat  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:31:46pm

man-made global warming religion

so when rush limbaugh's mansion in florida is underwater it will be a miracle?

20 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:31:56pm

re: #17 Gus

That's because it hurts! Since we dealing with science and all scientists are atheists it's basically like calling atheism a religion! Take that you, you, atheists!

Derp.

//

Oh, and atheism is just another religion. Derp!/

21 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:32:58pm

Can I just say that I really don't give a damn about the Oscars, the Grammies, the Emmies, the Golden Globes, or any other media industry circlejerks?

I'm not against people getting their dues, but those awards shows tend to be so overproduced and reality-challenged.

22 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:33:28pm

re: #21 talon_262

You know, at first I read that and was hurt.

23 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:34:07pm

re: #22 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Double m. Always keep in mind the double m./

24 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:34:39pm

re: #22 To hold my temper, most of the time.

You know, at first I read that and was hurt.

My bad...present company excluded ;-P

25 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:38:28pm

re: #23 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Double m. Always keep in mind the double m./

What he said...

26 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:38:40pm

I would interested in hearing how all of you prepared for the Oscars.

27 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:39:37pm

OK, that was a good line: "Nothing takes the sting out of worrying about the world's economic problems like watching millionaires present each other with gold statues."

28 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:39:59pm

re: #26 To hold my temper, most of the time.

I would interested in hearing how all of you prepared for the Oscars.

I honestly learned about today's Oscars when Charles posted the thread.

29 Kronocide  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:40:06pm

re: #26 To hold my temper, most of the time.

I would interested in hearing how all of you prepared for the Oscars.

I'm going to do something crazy. Like go to Kona Brewing Company and watch Colin John play two or three sets of acoustic slack key and delta blues.

30 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:40:08pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

OK, that was a good line: "Nothing takes the sting out of worrying about the world's economic problems like watching millionaires present each other with gold statues."

And they wonder why us rubes despise them so much.

31 Kronocide  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:43:36pm

The Oscars have long been about ratings. These 'awards' shows garner a lot of attention so they've grown in the last several years.

32 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:44:52pm

re: #30 thedopefishlives

And they wonder why us rubes despise them so much.

The fact that much less attention and exposure is typically given to the technical awards (and "lesser" or "niche" categories) and their recipients should be all anyone needs to know about the ethos of these shows.

33 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:44:56pm

Two beautiful girls who should get an award.

[Link: www.oregonlive.com...]

34 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:45:20pm
35 Stanghazi  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:45:33pm

My take, like you care:

I like the Oscars. I love the gowns.

Twitter has made it more fun.

Tim Gunn is loved by all he interviewed, you can tell.

Nick Nolte is brain damaged.

36 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:47:19pm

re: #12 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Did you borrow your dress from a famous designer?

No, since the day my sister left for college, I stopped borrowing other people's clothes.

It's a good thing you're a woman.

37 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:47:28pm

re: #35 College is GOOD you asshat.

My take, like you care:

I like the Oscars. I love the gowns.

Twitter has made it more fun.

Tim Gunn is loved by all he interviewed, you can tell.

Nick Nolte is brain damaged.

Penelope Cruz's dress is quite lovely. Like the color.

38 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:47:36pm

re: #34 Gus

*groan*

39 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:48:27pm

re: #38 The Right Height

*groan*

I think he's moved on now to start doing his best impersonation of Sarah Palin.

40 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:48:41pm

re: #30 thedopefishlives

And they wonder why us rubes despise them so much.

If we despised them, they wouldn't exist. The entire industry is based upon popularity.

41 BenghaziHoops  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:48:48pm

My favorite part is the sadness of watching the segment of who died over the last year..So many great actors we have forgotten about..

42 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:49:10pm

Octavia Spencer's choice of dress is better than Melissa McCarthy's.

43 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:50:05pm

re: #34 Gus

Okay.

More Carbon Dioxide is not necessarily good for plants.

However, this "more is better" philosophy is not the way things work in the real world. There is an older, wiser saying that goes, "Too much of a good thing can be a bad thing." For example, if a doctor tells you to take one pill of a certain medicine, taking four is not likely to heal you four times faster or make you four times better. It's more likely to make you sick.

It is possible to help increase the growth of some plants with extra CO2, under controlled conditions, inside of greenhouses. It is based on this that 'skeptics' make their claims. However, such claims are simplistic. They fail to take into account that once you increase one substance that plants need, you automatically increase their requirements for other substances. It also fails to take into account that a warmer earth will have an increase in deserts and other arid lands which would reduce the are available for crops.

Plants cannot live on CO2 alone. They get their bulk from more solid substances like water and organic matter. This organic matter comes from decomposing plants and animals or from man made fertilizers. It is a simple task to increase water and fertilizer and protect against insects in an enclosed greenhouse but what about doing it in the open air, throughout the entire Earth?

Science.

44 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:51:12pm

re: #40 Renaissance_Man

If we despised them, they wouldn't exist. The entire industry is based upon popularity.

Eh, you have a point, but if people were honest, they're as envious of the stars as they are starstruck.

45 BrainSurfer  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:52:22pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

It's the usual projection BS. Rather than admit that their own beliefs are completely non-rational and false, they project the same level of ignorance onto their enemies -- enemies, in this case, being the world's entire scientific community.

"the world's entire scientific community" - using hyperbole here, no? The scientific community has its fair share of climate scientists who are on record as believing the data, as inconclusive as it is, does not support the "proven conclusion" that Global Warming is human caused.

46 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:52:41pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

OK, that was a good line: "Nothing takes the sting out of worrying about the world's economic problems like watching millionaires present each other with gold statues."

You're talking about the Republican debates, right?

47 Kronocide  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:52:45pm

I wasn't so sure before, but now I am.

Santorum is even stupider than Bachmann.

48 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:53:13pm

re: #44 thedopefishlives

Eh, you have a point, but if people were honest, they're as envious of the stars as they are starstruck.

Yes, by and large we are always envious of people who are very popular. Humans are not good at telling emotions apart - strong emotion of any kind is addictive.

49 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:54:30pm

re: #45 BrainSurfer

Right on cue, whenever ANYONE posts anything related to AGW...

///Ugggghhhh

50 Stanghazi  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:54:37pm

OMG NIP

51 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:54:40pm

JLo's dress looks...uncomfortable.

52 Kronocide  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:54:42pm

re: #45 BrainSurfer

"the world's entire scientific community" - using hyperbole here, no? The scientific community has its fair share of climate scientists who are on record as believing the data, as inconclusive as it is, does not support the "proven conclusion" that Global Warming is human caused.

97% is not hyperbole.

.... as inconclusive as it is.... that's hyperbole. It's an assessment detached from reality.

53 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:54:46pm

re: #16 ProGunLiberal

Remember Charlie Wilson & the law of unintended consequences before wishing for something like that.

54 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:55:03pm

re: #45 BrainSurfer

Define 'fair share', troll.

55 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:55:56pm

re: #49 talon_262

Right on cue, whenever ANYONE posts anything related to AGW...

///Uggghhh

In good news, it looks like we're having gamey buttocks for dinner tonight. I'll get the grill going.

56 Kronocide  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:56:30pm

re: #54 Obdicut

Define 'fair share', troll.

Here!

57 Egregious Philbin  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:56:54pm

Billy Crystal reminds me of Milton Berle and Jerry Lewis. I hate Milton Berle and Jerry Lewis.

Bill was funny back when he was on Soap, since then, he nauseates me.

58 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:58:56pm

re: #45 BrainSurfer

I like hyperbola. I use hyperbola a lot. That was to hyperbola as Dan Quale was to John Kennedy.

59 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:58:59pm

re: #51 The Right Height

JLo's dress looks...uncomfortable.

You just want her to take it off, huh!

60 BrainSurfer  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:59:07pm

re: #49 talon_262

Right on cue, whenever ANYONE posts anything related to AGW...

///Uggghhh

Well, here I am enjoying the Oscars, and wondering how AGW got in to thread, when, bam, Charles makes the sweeping statement regarding the "entire" scientific community. Simply ain't so.

61 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:59:25pm

re: #60 BrainSurfer

Again: Define 'fair share', troll.

62 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:00:11pm

The Derp is strong with this one.

63 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:00:14pm

re: #60 BrainSurfer

Well, here I am enjoying the Oscars, and wondering how AGW got in to thread, when, bam, Charles makes the sweeping statement regarding the "entire" scientific community. Simply ain't so.

Just, oh, 98% or so. Projection is a harsh mistress, isn't she?

64 Kragar  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:00:42pm

re: #34 Gus

WTF is this dumbass doing running for President?

65 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:01:33pm

re: #60 BrainSurfer

Well, here I am enjoying the Oscars, and wondering how AGW got in to thread, when, bam, Charles makes the sweeping statement regarding the "entire" scientific community. Simply ain't so.

It made it into the thread because it's Charles's blog, and Charles got an e-mail from an idiot.

See how that works?

66 Kronocide  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:01:43pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

Just, oh, 98% or so. Projection is a harsh mistress, isn't she?

BUT THAT'S NOT ENTIRE AND HOW DARE YOU INJECT AGW INTO A THREAD ABOUT DRESSES!

Oh, wait. Sorry. Go right ahead sir.

67 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:02:24pm

re: #64 Kragar

WTF is this dumbass doing running for President?

Got me. I was just thinking the same thing. What an embarrassment to this nation. That a twit like Santorum is taken seriously even after saying crap like this. You think the news people will even follow up on such a comment? Highly unlikely.

68 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:02:25pm

re: #45 BrainSurfer

"the world's entire scientific community" - using hyperbole here, no? The scientific community has its fair share of climate scientists who are on record as believing the data, as inconclusive as it is, does not support the "proven conclusion" that Global Warming is human caused.

There are geologists with PhDs who believe in 6K y.o. Earth. Does that make the statement "the scientific community considers it a fact that the Earth is more than 4 billion y.o." false?

69 BrainSurfer  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:02:49pm

re: #58 William Barnett-Lewis

I like hyperbola. I use hyperbola a lot. That was to hyperbola as Dan Quale was to John Kennedy.

As do I, but here I will get pelted with empties for posts making generalizations and sweeping hyperbole without support facts. Just saying. Not trying to start an argument tonight, just that there in fact are two sides to the AGW issue which in itself is complex and inconclusive.

70 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:03:10pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

Just, oh, 98% or so. Projection is a harsh mistress, isn't she?

Actually, even among those scientists who are deniers, the projection is still there. There's precious few-- mostly very old guys who haven't published anything in forever, or creationists-- but they do exist. But they're still scientists, and calling AGW a religion-- rather than bad science, or some other scientific critique-- is still a smear against even the scientists who are out of touch enough to deny AGW.

Someone calling evolution a religion is also an insult to the entire scientific community, even though there are scientists who deny evolution.

71 lawhawk  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:03:12pm

re: #66 Kronocide

How much energy went into making that dress.... or how many thousands of man-hours went into the necklace that Natalie Portman wore? That was serious bling. And she looked great to boot.

72 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:03:38pm

re: #69 BrainSurfer

As do I, but here I will get pelted with empties for posts making generalizations and sweeping hyperbole without support facts. Just saying. Not trying to start an argument tonight, just that there in fact are two sides to the AGW issue which in itself is complex and inconclusive.

Well, we know you're a climate change denier, but how do you feel about evolution?

73 BrainSurfer  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:04:01pm

re: #65 BongCrodny

It made it into the thread because it's Charles's blog, and Charles got an e-mail from an idiot.

See how that works?

Agree, the guy's an idiot.

74 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:04:56pm

re: #73 BrainSurfer

Agree, the guy's an idiot.

Which one do you mean?

75 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:06:10pm

re: #74 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Which one do you mean?

"Programs ,,, Get Yer Programs Here,,, Can't tell one idiot from another without yer Programs ,,,"

76 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:06:16pm

That isn't a trick question.

77 lawhawk  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:07:22pm

I detected a bit of Austrian in that German/Chinese accent that Sandra Bullock just spoke. Oh so close... /

78 Kronocide  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:07:33pm

Two sides to the AGW issue:

97% of climate scientists (what most people would consider 'entire').

A small minority of highly motivated and and well funded ideologues lacking any substance or actual science.

Brainsurfer either gives equal merit to both sides.... or more merit to the latter.

79 darthstar  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:07:41pm

The Acadamy Awards belong at the end of March...they moved them to February so they wouldn't have to compete with Wrestlemania. Won't be watching them myself...don't like to hear about a lot of movies I never saw or probably won't...unless my wife wants to go.

Oh, and I like how Romney went to Daytona today to show what a common dude car guy he is and said he knows a couple of guys who own NASCAR teams.

80 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:08:20pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

That isn't a trick question.

There are two sides to evolution, Charles! THERE ARE TWO SIDES!!!

81 engineer cat  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:08:33pm

re: #45 BrainSurfer

"the world's entire scientific community" - using hyperbole here, no? The scientific community has its fair share of climate scientists who are on record as believing the data, as inconclusive as it is, does not support the "proven conclusion" that Global Warming is human caused.

i guess the earth changed over from being flat and at the center of the universe when the election results for roundish and circling an insignificant star reached a level you approved of

82 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:09:00pm

re: #80 The Right Height

There are two sides to evolution, Charles! THERE ARE TWO SIDES!!!

Or more.

83 engineer cat  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:09:19pm

re: #80 The Right Height

There are two sides to evolution, Charles! THERE ARE TWO SIDES!!!

unless evolution is a mobius strip

84 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:09:41pm

re: #79 darthstar

The Acadamy Awards belong at the end of March...they moved them to February so they wouldn't have to compete with Wrestlemania. Won't be watching them myself...don't like to hear about a lot of movies I never saw or probably won't...unless my wife wants to go.

Oh, and I like how Romney went to Daytona today to show what a common dude car guy he is and said he knows a couple of guys who own NASCAR teams.

I guess he just really can't help himself...

85 darthstar  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:09:59pm

re: #26 To hold my temper, most of the time.

I would interested in hearing how all of you prepared for the Oscars.

I watched my wife complete a triathlon this morning, went out to a nice brunch after, took the dogs to the beach, and am now sitting with a Manhattan and have the TV off.

86 lawhawk  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:10:09pm

And Billy just got in another zinger about the GOP and Super Tuesday...

87 darthstar  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:10:26pm

re: #84 The Right Height

I guess he just really can't help himself...

He is what he is.

88 BrainSurfer  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:10:30pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

That isn't a trick question.

Yeah, I know, and I'm not totally hopeless -- the guy in Minneapolis of course. I lived there in the past and the place was full of idiots and mosquitoes. Had to do the lack of sunlight in the winter, I think, with February being peak season for idiot syndrome.

89 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:11:12pm

re: #78 Kronocide

And, of the tiny percentage of climatologists who are deniers, almost none have had papers published in the past 10 years. The few that have have been shown to be of extremely poor scientific quality.

What the deniers usually do is point to a paper that actually clarifies climate science, and claims that it disproves the models because it helps to improve their accuracy.

It's a basic misunderstanding of the way science works. It's additive, mostly, not revolutionary.

90 darthstar  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:11:26pm

re: #86 lawhawk

And Billy just got in another zinger about the GOP and Super Tuesday...

Billy who? Crystal? Did they give the Oscars back to him? Jesus they must be desperate.

91 Shvaughn  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:12:41pm

re: #45 BrainSurfer

"the world's entire scientific community" - using hyperbole here, no? The scientific community has its fair share of climate scientists who are on record as believing the data, as inconclusive as it is, does not support the "proven conclusion" that Global Warming is human caused.

Troll is branching out from anti-choice to global warming denialism. Good for you, troll!

92 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:12:42pm

re: #88 BrainSurfer

Yeah, I know, and I'm not totally hopeless -- the guy in Minneapolis of course. I lived there in the past and the place was full of idiots and mosquitoes. Had to do the lack of sunlight in the winter, I think, with February being peak season for idiot syndrome.

Some of us are able to survive the short winters without going completely braindead. And just so you know, there are several other cities at this same latitude... Or are you painting us all with your broad brush?

93 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:13:28pm

re: #88 BrainSurfer

Yeah, I know, and I'm not totally hopeless -- the guy in Minneapolis of course. I lived there in the past and the place was full of idiots and mosquitoes. Had to do the lack of sunlight in the winter, I think, with February being peak season for idiot syndrome.

That was my question. Charles' was about evolution.

94 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:13:41pm

re: #78 Kronocide

Two sides to the AGW issue:

97% of climate scientists (what most people would consider 'entire').

A small minority of highly motivated and and well funded ideologues lacking any substance or actual science.

Brainsurfer either gives equal merit to both sides... or more merit to the latter.

Fair and balanced, you know.

95 lawhawk  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:15:04pm

re: #90 darthstar

Well, it might have been more entertaining musically if it were Billy Corgan, but yes - it is Billy Crystal doing the show again. Happened when the director for the show went and got himself in a mess, Eddie Murphy quit, and they brought back Billy.

Long story short - it's working a whole lot better than last year's mess

96 darthstar  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:17:32pm

re: #95 lawhawk

Well, it might have been more entertaining musically if it were Billy Corgan, but yes - it is Billy Crystal doing the show again. Happened when the director for the show went and got himself in a mess, Eddie Murphy quit, and they brought back Billy.

Long story short - it's working a whole lot better than last year's mess

I'll go back to watching the Oscars when they go back to airing them as they did in the 70s...with time for the recipients to give thank-you speeches and screw ending in 2 hours and 30 minutes...it's once a year...enjoy the moment. It's all too choreographed now.

97 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:18:00pm

re: #65 BongCrodny

It made it into the thread because it's Charles's blog, and Charles got an e-mail from an idiot.

See how that works?

You're pissing in the wind with this one, Bong. They'll keep pushing and pushing and be a nuisance until, one day, Stinky gives them the stick.

Then, they'll join the Blog of the Damned and wail that they were just minding their own business, then BAM!, booted for no reason.

It's a sad play we've seen many times over the years and one that's complete avoidable, but the troll has to want to.

98 Stanghazi  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:18:00pm

re: #95 lawhawk

Well, it might have been more entertaining musically if it were Billy Corgan, but yes - it is Billy Crystal doing the show again. Happened when the director for the show went and got himself in a mess, Eddie Murphy quit, and they brought back Billy.

Long story short - it's working a whole lot better than last year's mess

Last year was the Anne Hathaway musical, right? not good.

100 Kragar  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:21:07pm

Oh joy, I just called in for my jury duty check in and get to report in down at the courthouse tomorrow.

101 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:21:58pm

re: #100 Kragar

Oh joy, I just called in for my jury duty check in and get to report in down at the courthouse tomorrow.

umm,, where did you think they'd have you report in too,,, Chucky Cheeses!?!?!

102 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:22:22pm

re: #101 sattv4u2

umm,, where did you think they'd have you report in too,,, Chucky Cheeses!?!?!

Hooters...

103 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:23:29pm

re: #102 talon_262

Hooters...

"your honor ,,,, we're a hung jury ,, we'll have to stay right here ,, for a long long time"

104 freetoken  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:23:36pm

Speaking of creationism:

Former state Rep. Lloyd George dies at 85

[...]

For me, George's high mark came in 1981, when Arkansas passed and Gov. Frank White signed the creation science law, to mandate teaching of "creationism" in public schools to balance teaching about evolution (still sorely lacking in many public schools). George, a former biology and physics teacher, was among a tiny band of 18 House members who voted no on the law, eventually invalidated in a landmark federal court ruling. "It's the state meddling where it shouldn't," George said. "Teachers are not qualified to give equal time to teaching the theory according to Genesis."

[...]

Politics is a messy thing... voting rightly, for the wrong reason. Well, what more could one ask?

105 darthstar  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:23:41pm

re: #100 Kragar

Oh joy, I just called in for my jury duty check in and get to report in down at the courthouse tomorrow.

Wear this shirt and you'll be excused in minutes.

106 Interesting Times  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:24:29pm
107 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:24:30pm

re: #34 Gus

Santorum: "CO2 is a pollutant? Tell that to the plants."
— daveweigel (@daveweigel) February 27, 2012

Hey Rick, we need oxygen to survive too, but try breathing 100% O2 for a while and see how that works out for yez.

108 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:24:47pm

re: #97 talon_262

You're pissing in the wind with this one, Bong. They'll keep pushing and pushing and be a nuisance until, one day, Stinky gives them the stick.

Then, they'll join the Blog of the Damned and wail that they were just minding their own business, then BAM!, booted for no reason.

It's a sad play we've seen many times over the years and one that's complete avoidable, but the troll has to want to.

Entirely Concur. When someone is that obtuse, it means they're playing dumb. Charles gets tired of that after a while and gives a warning. If the person wants to actually contribute or just stay here, they tend to either sharpen up or shut up. If they keep DERPing, it means they want a Martyr Cookie.

109 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:24:52pm

re: #104 freetoken

Speaking of creationism:

Former state Rep. Lloyd George dies at 85

Politics is a messy thing... voting rightly, for the wrong reason. Well, what more could one ask?

Wrong reason, or a clever excuse to vote no?

110 engineer cat  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:24:52pm

re: #101 sattv4u2

umm,, where did you think they'd have you report in too,,, Chucky Cheeses!?!?!

chucky's is all filled up with traffic school already

111 Kragar  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:24:56pm

re: #101 sattv4u2

umm,, where did you think they'd have you report in too,,, Chucky Cheeses!?!?!

I've been calling every Sunday night for 3 weeks, and they've told me I wasn't needed, call back next week. This was my last night, hoping I could get by without having to actually go in.

112 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:25:08pm

re: #105 darthstar

Wear this shirt and you'll be excused in minutes.

Or say what my dad said each time he was called

"The cops wouldn't have arrested him if he wasn't guilty"

113 darthstar  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:26:12pm

re: #111 Kragar

I've been calling every Sunday night for 3 weeks, and they've told me I wasn't needed, call back next week. This was my last night, hoping I could get by without having to actually go in.

It's a trap! Do you have any open warrants you may have forgotten about?

114 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:26:30pm

re: #104 freetoken

Speaking of creationism:

Former state Rep. Lloyd George dies at 85

Politics is a messy thing... voting rightly, for the wrong reason. Well, what more could one ask?

Well, yes. Genesis is best covered by Sunday School teachers, in church.

115 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:27:09pm

re: #112 sattv4u2

Or say what my dad said each time he was called

"The cops wouldn't have arrested him if he wasn't guilty"

((btw ,, dad doesn't actually believe that,, it was just his way of knowing he wouldn't be picked)))

116 Stanghazi  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:28:12pm

re: #111 Kragar

I've been calling every Sunday night for 3 weeks, and they've told me I wasn't needed, call back next week. This was my last night, hoping I could get by without having to actually go in.

I've been dying to serve since I was eligible. They can tell. Never picked.

You might get a good one. Be a good peer.

117 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:28:25pm

re: #114 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Well, yes. Genesis is best covered by Sunday School teachers, in church.

For a second my mind pictured a Genesis cover band named Sunday School Teachers...

118 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:28:48pm

re: #116 College is GOOD you asshat.

I've been dying to serve since I was eligible. They can tell. Never picked.

You might get a good one. Be a good peer.

They called me like eight times when I was a nursing mother.

Haven't heard from them since.

119 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:29:26pm

re: #104 freetoken

Speaking of creationism:

Former state Rep. Lloyd George dies at 85

Politics is a messy thing... voting rightly, for the wrong reason. Well, what more could one ask?

Sounds about as wrong-headed and devious as the UK's Lloyd George of around 100 years ago.

120 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:29:52pm

I've been chosen (for juries) twice

Workmans comp cases both times ,,, Snorathons both

121 freetoken  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:30:12pm

And of course, this being America, every American can exercise their First Amendment right of free speech, sometimes done via the "letter to the editor" of a local news outlet. How could I let today go by without one of these letters from America's heartland?

Stopping creationism vote was right; we still need to stop teaching evolution

I'm glad House Speaker Brian Bosma decided not to permit a vote on a bill requiring the teaching of creationism in Indiana's public schools. Teachers are already hogtied by mandates from the feds, the state and the unions. Let them be free to teach.

Just as creationism should not be written into law, evolution — the religion of atheism — should not be forced on students. What damage is done to a child when his teacher and book claim he is descended from an ape or a worm? Why impose Darwin's unproven theory on students who believe God created them in his image and made them his children? Talk about destroying self-esteem! If told you are nothing but an animal, you'll act like one.

Because God's power in creation is so beyond human understanding, the public schools should not seek to undermine our children's God-given faith with a god-forsaken theory.

- Martin Henrichs, Valparaiso

122 lawhawk  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:30:28pm

re: #98 College is GOOD you asshat.

With James Franco.

Awkward is putting it mildly. That pairing just flat out sucked.

123 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:30:48pm

re: #120 sattv4u2

I've been chosen (for juries) twice

Workmans comp cases both times ,,, Snorathons both

My mother really enjoyed being on the case she described as:

Curly, Moe, and Larry rob the mall.

124 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:32:41pm

re: #100 Kragar

Oh joy, I just called in for my jury duty check in and get to report in down at the courthouse tomorrow.

Good luck.

I got called a few years back; they drew my number and I was assigned with other potential jurors to a DWI case.

As soon as the defense attorney found out that I've never had a driver's license, I was dismissed so fast it was like "Whoa...what just happened there?"

125 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:33:49pm

re: #124 BongCrodny

Good luck.

I got called a few years back; they drew my number and I was assigned with other potential jurors to a DWI case.

As soon as the defense attorney found out that I've never had a driver's license, I was dismissed so fast it was like "Whoa...what just happened there?"

They want someone who could sympathize. Which makes me wonder...could they ask my religion? Is that allowed?

126 BrainSurfer  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:33:55pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Well, we know you're a climate change denier, but how do you feel about evolution?

From my perspective, the climate has been changing for the past ten thousand plus years (my interest is in man's ancient past) and there's plenty of evidence worldwide of cities long since inundated. Controversial question today is whether man is the only (primary) cause of what has been recently called "global warming". AGW proponents say we are and CO2 is the culprit. Facts do not conclusively fit the belief. I'm not caught up in the hysteria on either side - trying to understand the facts as best they can be presented by either (or any) side.

As for evolution, I enjoy Stephen Jay Gould's books on evolution. His article: Evolution as Fact and Theory, written thirty years ago, helped shaped by beliefs. As he says "Evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. .....Moreover, "fact" does not mean "absolute certainty."

Definitely not in the "earth was formed in 4000 B.C." category.

127 Stanghazi  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:34:32pm

re: #122 lawhawk

With James Franco.

Awkward is putting it mildly. That pairing just flat out sucked.

Commentary: there actors who are good, and others that just were lucky. Right place right face right time. It's all downhill from there. Nothing really to 'em.

128 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:34:35pm

re: #123 To hold my temper, most of the time.

My mother really enjoyed being on the case she described as:

Curly, Moe, and Larry rob the mall.

I have a very..sheltered..friend. When she was young she thought everyone had an obligation to serve, so she went down to a Mississippi courthouse and volunteered. Says the investigation was amazingly thorough.

129 Interesting Times  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:35:43pm

re: #121 freetoken

What damage is done to a child when his teacher and book claim he is descended from an ape or a worm? Why impose Darwin's unproven theory on students who believe God created them in his image and made them his children? Talk about destroying self-esteem! If told you are nothing but an animal, you'll act like one.

If nothing else, he does a brilliant job of (albeit unintentionally) proving how pathetically weak his personality type is - without the security blanket that is their biblical-literalist world view, they melt and crumble into a blubbering heap of despondent, directionless goo.

(Yes, I'm aware there are millions upon millions more like this. No, I have no idea what to do about it).

130 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:36:21pm

re: #126 BrainSurfer

Definitely not in the "earth was formed in 4000 B.C." category.

Well, yeah, neither are many intelligent design creationists.
But do you accept common descent?

131 engineer cat  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:36:35pm

re: #105 darthstar

Wear this shirt and you'll be excused in minutes.

do you think "Nobody Knows I'm A Lesbian" would work?

132 freetoken  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:36:37pm

More from America's heartland:

Biblical creation topic of two-day area conference

The president of the Creation Museum will visit the Heartland Worship Center and Mid-Continent University March 4-5 to discuss Biblical creation.

Ken Ham said believers in the theory espouse the theory of the origin of the Earth and the universe is recorded accurately in the Bible’s first book Genesis.

This includes the creation of the first man and woman, the disobedience of Adam and Eve in consuming the forbidden fruit, the Tower of Babel and Noah’s flood.

“One thing I do at the conferences is explain what the word science means,” Ham said.

“We use the word science to mean observing what we can with our five senses.”

Faris Sahawneh, professor of computer information and director of the Center of Biblical Creation at Mid-Continent University, said the seminar will include archaeologists, geologists, biologists and other scientists from various disciplines who have graduated from major universities.

They will present scientific support for Biblical creation.

[...]

Wow... real live archeologists, geologists, and biologists... teaching about creationism.

I guess that means creationism must be true.

133 engineer cat  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:37:07pm

re: #130 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Well, yeah, neither are many intelligent design creationists.
But do you accept common descent?

i'm descended from an etym

134 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:38:11pm

re: #132 freetoken

Gerardus Bouw is an astronomer with a PhD. He's also a geocentrist. I guess that means geocentrism is another side.

135 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:38:18pm

re: #125 To hold my temper, most of the time.

They want someone who could sympathize. Which makes me wonder...could they ask my religion? Is that allowed?

Probably.

136 BenghaziHoops  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:38:20pm

When I was a kid I watched the Oscars with my mom every year..
Those were some special moments, eating popcorn and enjoying the show just mom and I.

137 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:38:34pm

re: #126 BrainSurfer

Let's see if the troll can handle simple questions.

Does CO2 trap heat in atmosphere?

Has mankind been putting huge amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere?

138 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:38:40pm

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

139 Shvaughn  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:40:22pm

re: #126 BrainSurfer

Definitely not in the "earth was formed in 4000 B.C." category.

Are you in the "intelligent design" category?

140 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:40:35pm

re: #138 sattv4u2

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

false alarm

I thought it was the overnight guy coming in,,,,, it wasn't

141 lawhawk  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:41:33pm

Bashar al-Assad weighs in on the referendum in Hollywood. He's gone and killed anyone who voted for The Artist over Hugo.

Oh wait, my bad, that was Marty sending in his wiseguys... /

Seriously though, Assad carried out his "referendum" today all while murdering those opposed to the regime. Not much of a referendum or a change. The protesters boycotted the vote and Assad touts it as a real change.

142 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:41:47pm

re: #140 sattv4u2

false alarm

I thought it was the overnight guy coming in,,, it wasn't

It's a trap!

143 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:42:41pm

re: #142 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

It's a trap!

heh,,, nahh ,, it's the cleaning crew

144 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:42:47pm

re: #121 freetoken

If told you are nothing but an animal, you'll act like one.

If this is true, then I guess all we really need to do is start telling each other that we're kind, ethical, inventive, productive geniuses and all societal problems will be solved.

(of course, the amusing part is that we already do act like an animal. It's known as "homo sapiens")

145 lawhawk  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:43:28pm

re: #142 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Admiral Ackbar... is that you?

146 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:45:28pm

re: #126 BrainSurfer

So based on this response and its downdings, guys, should I go get the charcoal? Because it helps if you grill the troll while its still freshly clue-batted.

147 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:45:54pm

re: #141 lawhawk

State TV also showed Mr. Assad and his wife voting at a station after making their way through a crowd of cheering people, who flung their arms at the president and snapped pictures of him with their cellphones.

And in other news, Baghdad Bob stated that there is no opposition to Assad!!

148 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:46:15pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

I really never got into cannibalism.

149 BrainSurfer  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:47:10pm

re: #137 Obdicut

Let's see if the troll can handle simple questions.

Does CO2 trap heat in atmosphere?

Has mankind been putting huge amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere?

Here I am just trying to enjoy the Oscars (nice acrobatics just now), and I end up in the midst of an Inquisition. But I'll play.

Questions are too easy, Obdicut.
1. Historical data record show CO2 levels lag temperature levels, which makes it difficult to say CO2 causes temperature rise based on historical precendent. CO2 can trap heat in the atmosphere, but the big unknown in the equation is the cloud factor - exactly what part do clouds play in the regulating temperature, and what is the relationship between cloud formation and sun activity.
2. Yup.
Now, let's watch the Oscars.

150 Kronocide  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:47:13pm

To the brewery I go. Be nice to the troll.

151 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:48:37pm

We are only animals. That we find the need to classify humans as anything else just shows how ashamed we are of ourselves.

152 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:49:01pm

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons (fer real, this time)

153 freetoken  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:49:05pm

And more on evolution, John Hawks weighs in on a new book:

"American Genesis"

I saw a reference to this new book by Jeffrey Moran: American Genesis: The Evolution Controversies from Scopes to Creation Science. From the description:

In American Genesis, Jeffrey P. Moran explores the ways in which the evolution debate has reverberated beyond the confines of state legislatures and courthouses. Using extensive research in newspapers, periodicals, and archives, Moran shows that social forces such as gender, regionalism, and race have intersected with the debate over evolution in ways that shed light on modern American culture. He investigates, for instance, how antievolutionism deepened the cultural divisions between North and South--northerners embraced evolution as a sign of sectional enlightenment, while southerners defined themselves as the standard bearers of true Christianity. Evolution debates also exposed a deep gulf between conservative Black Christians and secular intellectuals such as W. E. B. DuBois. Moran also explores the ways in which the struggle has played out in the universities, on the internet, and even within the evangelical community. Throughout, he shows that evolution has served as a weapon, as an enforcer of identity, and as a polarizing force both within and without the churches.

This goes along with what I've thought for a while -- evolutionary theory in the U.S. has been radicalized by people who neither know nor care much about it, except as a convenient way to mark their social villains. [...]

Creationism and the debates over evolution are very American and now deeply part of our society.

154 bubba zanetti  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:49:20pm

re: #149 BrainSurfer

"Does CO2 trap heat in atmosphere?" is a yes or no question, by the way.

155 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:49:47pm

re: #149 BrainSurfer

I'm not asking about historical data. I'm asking about very simple science: If you take our earth's atmosphere, put it in a greenhouse, and increase the amount of CO2, will it trap more heat than if the greenhouse was full of normal atmosphere?

156 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:49:49pm

Ah, a Galaxy Note commercial. Finally, phones have gotten too big.

157 Stanghazi  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:50:32pm

re: #136 HoosierHoops

When I was a kid I watched the Oscars with my mom every year..
Those were some special moments, eating popcorn and enjoying the show just mom and I.

There's something about it.

I'm enjoying. Octavia Spencer's acceptance speech was perfect. I think she was really surprised, which is surprising.

158 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:53:45pm

re: #155 Obdicut

But you must agree, that was a nice gambit ;)

159 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:55:49pm

re: #158 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

But you must agree, that was a nice gambit ;)

It might have been nice the first time it's tried. Once you have a page on skeptical science debunking your dumb gambit, it just makes you look like a moron to pull it out.

[Link: www.skepticalscience.com...]

CO2 is not the only thing that can raise the earth's temperature. Doesn't invalidate the fact it can raise it.

Obvious.

160 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:56:25pm

re: #112 sattv4u2

Or say what my dad said each time he was called

"The cops wouldn't have arrested him if he wasn't guilty"

I just count on my record. Once one or both of the attorneys realizes that I have felony convictions (as a "youthful offender" under Florida law) I always get excused from the jury. The prosecution doesn't want me because they think I might be sympathetic to the accused. The defense doesn't want me because they think I might know and explain to the rest of the jurors why the defendants story is a bunch of made up bullshit.

I almost made it on a jury once, the lawyers had questioned me and seemed satisfied, but then the Judge questioned me (something he had not done with anyone else on the panel) and got me to admit that I had been forced to use violence to defend myself while in prison. For some reason this dis-qualified me from service on the jury because this trial was about the use of violence to defend yourself and whether or not the person who used violence was justified.

(Disclaimer: I was exactly two weeks away from my sixteenth birthday when I was sentenced to three years in prison (as an adult) by the state of Florida. I did 28 months. Two years later I did another 13 months on a two year sentence. I have never been in trouble with the law since, this was all more than 25 years ago.)

161 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:57:06pm

re: #158 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

But you must agree, that was a nice gambit ;)

Not really. It was an obvious evasion: first 'Brain Surfer' threw up a smokescreen of (largely correct) verbiage, and then tried to escape answering amidst its concealment. Obdicut, however, saw through the smoke screen and targeted his escape route with a precision fact barrage.

162 BenghaziHoops  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:57:29pm

re: #154 bubba zanetti

"Does CO2 trap heat in atmosphere?" is a yes or no question, by the way.

I don't think so..What does CO2 and Cloud cover have to do with the climate? Just last week I was on Venus and it was a somewhat Balmy 820 degrees above zero..They say run away green house effect is fiction..
I don't see it every time I visit our sister planet...
//
#sendPalintovenus

163 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:57:34pm

re: #159 Obdicut

It might have been nice the first time it's tried. Once you have a page on skeptical science debunking your dumb gambit, it just makes you look like a moron to pull it out.

[Link: www.skepticalscience.com...]

CO2 is not the only thing that can raise the earth's temperature. Doesn't invalidate the fact it can raise it.

Obvious.

Oh, I don't mean the substance of the argument, which is an old chestnut. But how elegantly the troll switched from physical properties to allegedly muddled history. Niice!

164 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:58:22pm

Heh. 14% income tax joke.

165 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 6:59:21pm

re: #163 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

It seems kinda robotic to me. But robots have their own elegance, I guess.

166 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:00:24pm

re: #165 Obdicut

I admit that my fascination is perverted :P

167 bubba zanetti  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:00:31pm

re: #149 BrainSurfer

Historical data record shows that putting the big comforter on my bed lags behind when I turn the thermostat up, which makes it difficult to say the comforter causes a temperature rise in the bed based on historical precedent. The comforter can trap heat in the bed, but the big unknown in the equation is my new windows - exactly what part do double panes play in the regulating temperature, and what is the relationship between window design and furnace activity.

168 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:01:03pm

Lol. Two actors from Skyrim are up for supporting actor. Just not for that.

169 freetoken  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:03:30pm

re: #167 bubba zanetti

You forgot the new flavor of bubblegum to which you switched last week. I'm sure that has something to do with it.

170 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:03:40pm

re: #168 The Right Height

Lol.Two actors from Skyrim are up for supporting actor. Just not for that.

Christopher Plummer just won it. Not a bad choice, and he's a good and decent fellow.

171 engineer cat  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:07:17pm

re: #167 bubba zanetti

Historical data record shows that putting the big comforter on my bed lags behind when I turn the thermostat up, which makes it difficult to say the comforter causes a temperature rise in the bed based on historical precedent. The comforter can trap heat in the bed, but the big unknown in the equation is my new windows - exactly what part do double panes play in the regulating temperature, and what is the relationship between window design and furnace activity.

i question the heat trapping ability of comforters, therefore the question is still controversial and not accepted science

172 BrainSurfer  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:07:32pm

re: #155 Obdicut

I'm not asking about historical data. I'm asking about very simple science: If you take our earth's atmosphere, put it in a greenhouse, and increase the amount of CO2, will it trap more heat than if the greenhouse was full of normal atmosphere?

"full of normal atmosphere"... in a greenhouse? What about the sun, cosmic rays, clouds, the oceans?? You want to cherry pick the scenario to fit your idea of global warming. The earth system is far too complex to try to simplify it down to a greenhouse and increasing CO2.

Besides if you overlook history, you are severely limiting your overall understanding of the how complex the earth's entire ecosystem is. Is man screwing things up - certainly. Do we have all the answers on exactly how we are screwing things up - definitely not.

173 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:08:25pm

re: #172 BrainSurfer

And you still haven't answered a simple question.

174 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:08:58pm

re: #172 BrainSurfer

Yes, normal atmosphere in a greenhouse, vs atmosphere with a higher level of CO2.

It's a pretty simple question; you really can't answer it? That's a sad ignorance of basic science.

Can you really not answer it?

175 freetoken  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:09:31pm

re: #172 BrainSurfer

What about the sun, cosmic rays, clouds, the oceans??

You forgot about bubba zanetti's new flavor of bubblegum. I hear it has powerful warming abilities.

176 b_Snark  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:09:55pm

The CO2 doesn't always lag behind the temp. What happens is some of the warming periods are initiated by something other than CO2 and the oceans become a source, and in some cases CO2 initiates the warming trend and the ocean becomes a CO2 source. The oceans take longer to cool than does the atmosphere and the surface, so they remain a source well after the global temps start dropping. CO2 itself, because of the source/sink relationship stays high for hundreds of years.

Because the denialists only look at graphs, all they see are the peaks where temps start down and some centuries later CO2 heads down. However, the peaks tell us nothing about the original initiator of the warming trend.

177 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:10:15pm

re: #175 freetoken

I've never seen a greenhouse with an ocean in it before.

That'd be rad.

178 bubba zanetti  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:11:08pm

re: #175 freetoken

You forgot about bubba zanetti's new flavor of bubblegum. I hear it has powerful warming abilities.

Let me check...

chewchewchew

Nope, still cold in here.

179 freetoken  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:12:21pm

re: #177 Obdicut

I've never seen a greenhouse with an ocean in it before.

You think Kilgore's new greenhouse has room for some salt water?

180 Mich-again  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:12:32pm

My daughter had a part in "Another Happy Day". She played Samantha the incredibly cute younger daughter of Demi Moore and Thomas Haden Church. It was filmed around here in September 2010. I had a great time hanging around the set watching all the chaos surrounding filming a movie. There was some talk after the film won the Screenplay Award at Sundance last year that Ellen Barkin might get an Oscar nomination but it didn't happen. It might have helped if Sam didn't make the movie so painful to watch and more people had a chance to see it.

181 freetoken  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:13:08pm

re: #178 bubba zanetti

Let me check...

chewchewchew

Nope, still cold in here.

That's because the warming power only becomes clear when Jupiter is in Pisces.

182 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:13:19pm

- See that cannon shooting? It really cannot be explained by powder's explosive properties. You see, each time before the cannon shoots there's somehow a fire seen on the fuse. So how do we know it's not the fuse that is directly responsible for the cannonball flying out?

183 bubba zanetti  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:13:22pm

re: #172 BrainSurfer

"What about the sun, cosmic rays, clouds, the oceans??

Last time I checked, greenhouses weren't immune to the sun, cosmic rays, or clouds.

Try again.

184 BrainSurfer  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:13:25pm

re: #130 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Well, yeah, neither are many intelligent design creationists.
But do you accept common descent?

Seems reasonable to me. Never had any argument with Darwin's theories as such.

185 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:13:37pm

Okay, I really want this cold to be over. *sniffle*

186 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:15:17pm

Wait, this guy beats out John Williams and Howard Shore? Hmph.

187 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:17:22pm

re: #182 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

- See that cannon shooting? It really cannot be explained by powder's explosive properties. You see, each time before the cannon shoots there's somehow a fire seen on the fuse. So how do we know it's not the fuse that is directly responsible for the cannonball flying out?

Quoted for the lutz. Nice takedown, SR.

188 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:19:13pm

re: #172 BrainSurfer

"full of normal atmosphere"... in a greenhouse? What about the sun, cosmic rays, clouds, the oceans?? You want to cherry pick the scenario to fit your idea of global warming. The earth system is far too complex to try to simplify it down to a greenhouse and increasing CO2.

Besides if you overlook history, you are severely limiting your overall understanding of the how complex the earth's entire ecosystem is. Is man screwing things up - certainly. Do we have all the answers on exactly how we are screwing things up - definitely not.

You don't know what you're talking about.

189 BrainSurfer  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:20:11pm

re: #183 bubba zanetti

Last time I checked, greenhouses weren't immune to the sun, cosmic rays, or clouds.

Try again.

Agree fully with you. In fact, a few years ago, the greenhouse in my town failed when a tree limb fell on it during an ice storm, breaking some glass on the roof, and causing a mini-ice age. Even the sun couldn't offset the below-freezing temps which affected the greenhouse as a result. Real bummer was that all the dinosaurs in the exhibit we had died as well.

190 Mich-again  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:20:17pm

re: #176 Grumpy, Not Sneezy

The oceans weigh 250 times as much as the atmosphere and water can hold 4 times more heat per pound, so roughly speaking oceans have 1,000 times the heat capacity of the atmosphere. The oceans drive the long term climate trends. The atmosphere is like the little bird riding around on the rhino's back.

191 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:21:25pm

re: #188 Gus

He's doing the normal denier bullshit of saying that because we don't know 'everything', we know nothing. It's rank idiocy. We don't know everything about the human body, physiology, or even the interactions of some very basic parts of the human immune system; doesn't stop us from being able to do amazing medical treatments.

I don't get why these guys think this kind of snow job is impressive, especially when they're so obviously dodging direct questions. It's kinda pathetic.

192 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:21:42pm

Or, to make it even closer to the argument at hand:

- See that cannon shooting? You say it's because the powder ignites. Yet the fuse ignites before the powder. So there's a lag before the initial ignition and the cannonball flying out. And since there's a lag between ignition and cannonball flight, obviously ignition cannot explain it.

193 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:21:53pm

re: #189 BrainSurfer

Oh god, and then they try humor, and things get really ugly.

194 b_Snark  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:22:26pm

re: #172 BrainSurfer

"full of normal atmosphere"... in a greenhouse? What about the sun, cosmic rays, clouds, the oceans?? You want to cherry pick the scenario to fit your idea of global warming. The earth system is far too complex to try to simplify it down to a greenhouse and increasing CO2.

Besides if you overlook history, you are severely limiting your overall understanding of the how complex the earth's entire ecosystem is. Is man screwing things up - certainly. Do we have all the answers on exactly how we are screwing things up - definitely not.

That is nothing but an argument from ignorance, the belief that since we don't know it all we don't know anything. We may not know everything but we do know enough, and we understand the complexities very well, to know CO2 is trapping warmth and slowing down the radiation of heat from the atmosphere.

Energy in all wave lengths hits the surface of land, water, ice, snow and everything that isn't bounced back as is contributes to heat increases in all surfaces, including melting of ice, and is re-radiated as energy in the IR wavelengths. CO2 is warmed up by this IR and through convection and conduction passes this warmth off to the N2 and O2, and through radiation heats up other CO2 molecules.

Heat can only escape the atmosphere through radiation.

Since a molecule of CO2 doesn't just re-radiate up and to the sides, but also back toward the surface, surface cooling is slowed down. It's this slowdown of heat reaching the upper atmosphere where it can re-radiate to space that is warming the climate.

Natural variations, ocean circulation, melting ice and human introduced aerosols tend to dominate the trend so it looks less steep than it is.

195 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:23:00pm

Why is Charlie Brown being used to sell us life insurance?

196 Stanghazi  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:24:07pm

re: #195 The Right Height

Why is Charlie Brown being used to sell us life insurance?

Met Life has ALWAYS been Snoopy.

The blimp? You've seen it.

197 b_Snark  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:24:15pm

re: #172 BrainSurfer

"full of normal atmosphere"... in a greenhouse? What about the sun, cosmic rays, clouds, the oceans?? You want to cherry pick the scenario to fit your idea of global warming. The earth system is far too complex to try to simplify it down to a greenhouse and increasing CO2.

Besides if you overlook history, you are severely limiting your overall understanding of the how complex the earth's entire ecosystem is. Is man screwing things up - certainly. Do we have all the answers on exactly how we are screwing things up - definitely not.

Nobody ignores history, that's where our understanding of the climate's sensitivity to CO2 comes from, nor are clouds being ignored.

198 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:25:50pm

re: #195 The Right Height

Why is Charlie Brown being used to sell us life insurance?

Because MetLife is like Lucy: Just when we think we've got everything set up perfectly to kick the football of an ideal policy, they'll pull the ball away with a trick clause in set policy.

/I'm kidding, but admit it: You giggled.

199 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:26:01pm

re: #196 College is GOOD you asshat.

Met Life has ALWAYS been Snoopy.

The blimp? You've seen it.

I'm sorry, Angelina Jolie is on my tv screen and I'm not thinking about Charlie Brown anymore...

200 b_Snark  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:27:32pm

re: #183 bubba zanetti

Last time I checked, greenhouses weren't immune to the sun, cosmic rays, or clouds.

Try again.

The Green House Effect really isn't the same as a greenhouse. A real greenhouse heats up because of conduction and a lack of convection. The glass used in a greenhouse is transparent to IR.

201 Stanghazi  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:27:34pm

re: #199 The Right Height

I'm sorry, Angelina Jolie is on my tv screen and I'm not thinking about Charlie Brown anymore...

Stupid leg out the dress pose.

202 Mich-again  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:29:13pm

Not only does CO2 work to hold heat in the atmosphere, the part overlooked is that when fossil fuels were burned that generated the CO2 heat was created. Some of the heat ends up as work, but most of the heat is waste and ends up in the environment and in the ultimate heat sink, the oceans.

203 Interesting Times  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:29:35pm

re: #201 College is GOOD you asshat.

Stupid leg out the dress pose.

204 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:29:47pm

I found out an odd thing about Turkey and Gays serving in the military:

Officially, homosexuals are banned from military service in Turkey. However, it is not regularly applied in practice. Only military hospitals decide whether the person is homosexual by giving "Physico-sexual disorder" diagnosis. A person must prove his sexual orientation with explicit evidence showing he is involving in a sex act.

....
???
Wha?!?! That seems like a form of voyeurism.

205 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:30:35pm

re: #201 College is GOOD you asshat.

Stupid leg out the dress pose.

Wee menn r stoopid.

206 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:30:41pm

re: #195 The Right Height

Why is Charlie Brown being used to sell us life insurance?

That was my first thought, but between winding up flat on his back from missing the football and getting clobbered on the pitcher's mound from hit baseballs, I thought "okay, who needs it more than Charlie Brown?"

207 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:31:40pm

re: #204 ProGunLiberal

*sound of jaw dropping*

208 Stanghazi  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:31:47pm

re: #203 Interesting Times

Imani ABL ‏ @AngryBlackLady

Is that her shoulder bone or is an alien about to squirm out of its Jolie skin? #Oscars

OH LOL.

209 freetoken  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:31:49pm

WND, who btw are the publisher of Sen Inhofe's expose of AGW as THE GREATEST HOAX, warns us of an even greater peril in their top story:

CAN OBAMA'S DETENTION PLANS BE STOPPED?

Yes, apparently Obama is going to round us all up and put us into detention camps.

Be afraid, be very afraid.

210 b_Snark  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:32:43pm

re: #189 BrainSurfer

Agree fully with you. In fact, a few years ago, the greenhouse in my town failed when a tree limb fell on it during an ice storm, breaking some glass on the roof, and causing a mini-ice age. Even the sun couldn't offset the below-freezing temps which affected the greenhouse as a result. Real bummer was that all the dinosaurs in the exhibit we had died as well.

Most large climate variance is caused by Milankovitch Cycles. The last glaciation and the current inter-glaciation are the result of those cycles. According to the current trend in Milankovitch cycles, we should be cooling and heading toward a glacial period in 10,000 years or so. The warming we've seen is in spite of the known warming forcings like increased sun output and the change in Earth's precession.

211 BrainSurfer  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:33:30pm

re: #194 Grumpy, Not Sneezy

That is nothing but an argument from ignorance, the belief that since we don't know it all we don't know anything. We may not know everything but we do know enough, and we understand the complexities very well, to know CO2 is trapping warmth and slowing down the radiation of heat from the atmosphere.

Energy in all wave lengths hits the surface of land, water, ice, snow and everything that isn't bounced back as is contributes to heat increases in all surfaces, including melting of ice, and is re-radiated as energy in the IR wavelengths. CO2 is warmed up by this IR and through convection and conduction passes this warmth off to the N2 and O2, and through radiation heats up other CO2 molecules.

Heat can only escape the atmosphere through radiation.

Since a molecule of CO2 doesn't just re-radiate up and to the sides, but also back toward the surface, surface cooling is slowed down. It's this slowdown of heat reaching the upper atmosphere where it can re-radiate to space that is warming the climate.

Natural variations, ocean circulation, melting ice and human introduced aerosols tend to dominate the trend so it looks less steep than it is.

So.... have you just explained that man's production of CO2 gas is the primary contributing factor in global warming?

212 freetoken  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:33:51pm

re: #202 Mich-again

Not only is does CO2 work to hold heat in the atmosphere, the part overlooked is that when fossil fuels were burned that generated the CO2 heat was created.

We've been through this before (haven't we?) The energy released by the oxidation of fossil fuels is still pretty small compared to the flux of photons from the Sun.

213 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:33:59pm

re: #207 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Exactly. It's good that they have such a lackadaisical policy towards enforcing a ban, but that's mildly squicky they require photos as proof of being gay. In essence, Turkey has a repository of Gay Porn.

214 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:34:41pm

re: #211 BrainSurfer

In order to understand the subject, you're first going to have to understand that CO2 works to trap heat in atmosphere.

Have you managed to grasp that yet?

215 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:35:22pm

re: #209 freetoken

WND, who btw are the publisher of Sen Inhofe's expose of AGW as THE GREATEST HOAX, warns us of an even greater peril in their top story:

CAN OBAMA'S DETENTION PLANS BE STOPPED?

Yes, apparently Obama is going to round us all up and put us into detention camps.

Be afraid, be very afraid.

So the far-left had its FEMA CAMPS!!1 moment back in December when the NDAA for FY2012 passed, so now its the far-right's turn to fall off the Stupid Tree.

Both cases are essentially the same: Morons who hate the government and want to feel that the government hates them back. Fearing being rounded up by the Feds makes them feel consequential.

216 Mich-again  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:35:35pm

re: #212 freetoken

True, but that part of the heat balance equation is outside our control.

217 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:36:45pm

re: #203 Interesting Times

Not smart. She's fond of knives. Trying to tackle her would just get you cut up.

218 Interesting Times  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:36:58pm

re: #209 freetoken

Remember your earlier comments about scientists having a "tin ear" when it comes to effective communication? What do you think of the points Joe Romm raises here?

Apocalypse Not: The Oscars, The Media And The Myth of ‘Constant Repetition of Doomsday Messages’ on Climate

Since this is Oscar night, though, it seems appropriate to start by looking at what messages the public are exposed to in popular culture and the media. It ain’t doomsday. Quite the reverse, climate change has been mostly an invisible issue for several years and the message of conspicuous consumption and business-as-usual reigns supreme.

219 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:37:13pm

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

So the far-left had its FEMA CAMPS!!1 moment back in December when the NDAA for FY2012 passed, so now its the far-right's turn to fall off the Stupid Tree.

The "ZOMG FEMA CAMPZ!!! Eleventy!" fail has been an Alex Jones trope for years. He started that shit after 9/11 and it only intensified after Katrina. NDAA just set him and his idiot minions off again.

220 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:38:16pm

re: #219 Lidane

And Alex Jones is a right-winger, so we're clear.

221 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:38:36pm

Gave up on the Oscars after the opening montage and first two awards. I just haven't seen enough of the films this year to care who wins.

Instead, I got lots of zombie-tastic drama and gore on The Walking Dead. Awesome.

222 freetoken  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:39:22pm

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

I just hope I get put into a camp in a nice warm, sunny state.

223 Interesting Times  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:40:25pm

re: #220 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

And Alex Jones is a right-winger, so we're clear.

And the Republicans who disavow his 9/11 trutherism happily slurp up his "Agenda 21" anti-environment idiocy.

224 bubba zanetti  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:41:00pm

re: #200 Grumpy, Not Sneezy

True, but I believe that we're using the greenhouse in the sense of "a large transparent container we can put living things in".

225 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:41:31pm

re: #223 Interesting Times

And the Republicans who disavow his 9/11 trutherism happily slurp up his "Agenda 21" anti-environment idiocy.

Well, this Republican thinks he's an asshat.

226 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:41:54pm

re: #221 Lidane

Gave up on the Oscars after the opening montage and first two awards. I just haven't seen enough of the films this year to care who wins.

Instead, I got lots of zombie-tastic drama and gore on The Walking Dead. Awesome.

It was, as usual, terrific viewing tonight. Won't spoil it for the view-laters, but I thought the confrontations between the survivors were even better than the zombie-killing.

227 freetoken  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:42:21pm

re: #218 Interesting Times

One of Romm's weaknesses is that he is acting like people really care.

They don't.

I've stated multiple times that I believe climate change to be too slow to affect politics, because the human nature to depreciate the future beyond a couple of weeks is too great.

228 Mich-again  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:43:14pm

I wonder if Alex Jones is reminding all his listeners to make sure to leave the FEMA camp cleaner than they found it.

229 bubba zanetti  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:43:18pm

re: #211 BrainSurfer

Speaking of storing heat, you must have one hell of a straw bale house, judging by your supply of straw men.

230 b_Snark  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:43:31pm

re: #211 BrainSurfer

So... have you just explained that man's production of CO2 gas is the primary contributing factor in global warming?

As soon as you realize the energy balance has been unbalanced by CO2 and humans are putting out the majority of new CO2 then yes, it is the primary cause. CO2 from burning fossil fuels can be identified by the carbon isotope ratios. The amount of CO2 coming from human activities can be calculated from the amount of fossil fuels burned. The amount of CO2 increase measured in the atmosphere is less than the amount humans put out so we not only are the main source of atmospheric CO2 but the cause of the acidification of the oceans since that's where the rest of the human produced CO2 is going.

231 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:43:42pm

re: #226 BongCrodny

It was, as usual, terrific viewing tonight. Won't spoil it for the view-laters, but I thought the confrontations between the survivors were even better than the zombie-killing.

No spoilers here either, but yes. The human drama > the zombie gore this week. Very good episode, without a doubt.

232 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:43:48pm

And look who Michael Savage cites as a source: Naomi Wolf, someone who truly speaks non-sensically. Just quick glance shows this piece to be pure alarmist lunacy.

233 Stanghazi  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:45:41pm

re: #222 freetoken

I just hope I get put into a camp in a nice warm, sunny state.

WISCONSIN, you are very unlucky.

234 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:46:57pm

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

And look who Michael Savage cites as a source: Naomi Wolf, someone who truly speaks non-sensically. Just quick glance shows this piece to be pure alarmist lunacy.

What's funny to me is that I read one of Naomi Wolf's books back in the 90's and didn't think it was that bad. Somewhere along the way, she started believing all her press and fell into a seemingly bottomless pit of fail. When she started advising Al Gore on his clothing choices I knew she was done for.

235 Stanghazi  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:47:11pm

re: #226 BongCrodny

It was, as usual, terrific viewing tonight. Won't spoil it for the view-laters, but I thought the confrontations between the survivors were even better than the zombie-killing.

I'm switching in 15 to watch last weeks. (west coaster) I freaking love that show.

236 Mich-again  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:47:18pm

Deforestation is part of the CO2 story too. Humans have generated a lot of CO2 and at the same time have eliminated a lot of the forest over the last century or so.

237 b_Snark  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:48:18pm

re: #236 Mich-again

Deforestation is part of the CO2 story too. Humans have generated a lot of CO2 and at the same time have eliminated a lot of the forest over the last century or so.

Forests are a great CO2 sink.

238 BrainSurfer  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:48:20pm

re: #174 Obdicut

Yes, normal atmosphere in a greenhouse, vs atmosphere with a higher level of CO2.

It's a pretty simple question; you really can't answer it? That's a sad ignorance of basic science.

Can you really not answer it?

Yes, I can. The more CO2, e.g. the thicker the layer of a (this) major greenhouse gas, the more heat is trapped in the atmosphere. This basic fact is well-established physics and has been known for well over 100 years.

239 Stanghazi  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:49:26pm

LOL, a new twitterer

Angelina Jolie's Leg ‏ @AngiesRightLeg

Hey, check me out!

240 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:49:30pm

No House of Lies this week. I have a sad.

:-(

241 b_Snark  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:50:05pm

re: #238 BrainSurfer

Yes, I can. The more CO2, e.g. the thicker the layer of a (this) major greenhouse gas, the more heat is trapped in the atmosphere. This basic fact is well-established physics and has been known for well over 100 years.

What happened? You made sense.

242 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:50:17pm

re: #231 Lidane

No spoilers here either, but yes. The human drama > the zombie gore this week. Very good episode, without a doubt.

I've read most of The Walking Dead collections; what's happening on TV is the same overall story, but with a lot of detours. In the comic series, Shane is dead; Sophia is still alive.

My point being -- and I do have one -- is if you've been reading the series, whatever you've come to expect ain't necessarily what's going to happen.

243 freetoken  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:50:24pm

re: #236 Mich-again

Deforestation is part of the CO2 story too. Humans have generated a lot of CO2 and at the same time have eliminated a lot of the forest over the last century or so.

Millennia. SW Asia, east Asia, Europe, eastern North America, eastern South America... we've cut them down.

That changes the albedo too, so it is hard to tell if it is a net wash or not wrt warming. Forests tend to be darker than the grasslands that replace them. However, changing the flora also changes the fauna, and we've also, in the past 20,000 or so years, pretty much wiped out most of the large fauna.

So, we've made lots of changes, all of which interact in very complex paths.

244 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:52:31pm

And also from Savage's Magnum DERPus we have this little gem:

t was the Bill of Rights Defense Committee that arranged the online meeting of experts. Officials there noted that during the first few weeks of 2012, at least six jurisdictions have enacted local resolutions opposing the military detention provisions of the NDAA.

And legislation to nullify the act has been introduced in several state legislatures. Just last week a Virginia bill passed the House of Delegates 96-4.

Nullification DERPs would piss me off no matter what, but the fact that such a DERP has actually passed a chamber in Virginia requires my Standing Answer to Neo-Confederates:

245 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:54:55pm

re: #240 The Right Height

No House of Lies this week. I have a sad.

:-(

It's on, just no new episode this week. Showtime is running the series thus far tonight. They didn't want to run new episodes against the Oscars.

246 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:55:05pm

re: #238 BrainSurfer

Yes, I can. The more CO2, e.g. the thicker the layer of a (this) major greenhouse gas, the more heat is trapped in the atmosphere. This basic fact is well-established physics and has been known for well over 100 years.

CO2 doesn't form into layers, idiot. Various layers of the atmosphere have various concentrations, but it doesn't form it's own layer. It diffuses.

But even though you don't really understand it, I'm glad you acknowledge that CO2 traps heat in atmosphere. You've already acknowledged that mankind has been putting out enormous amounts of CO2.

So, since CO2 traps heat in atmosphere, and since we've added a ton of it, we'd expect to see warming. And, lo and behold, we do.

Now, there are four major climate models, each using entirely different software and algorithms, each of them using the wide array of temperature data sources. Each of these is highly accurate in prediction-- as in, if you take the model, take the inputs, they model how our climate has behaved.

So, given that the models are accurate, the basic science is very well-established, and the facts match what we'd expect-- lots of CO2 added to the atmosphere, lots of warming, concurrent with that CO2 increase.


So, good job disproving your own half-assed argument.

247 Interesting Times  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:55:54pm

re: #243 freetoken

So, we've made lots of changes, all of which interact in very complex paths.

Are you sure you aren't underestimating the effects described here? On a business-as-usual (or worse) path, isn't there a possibility of catastrophic vegetation loss with nothing to replace it?

248 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:56:03pm

re: #242 BongCrodny

I haven't read the comics but my boyfriend has, and he told me fairly early on that reading the comics wouldn't really help me follow the show because the show goes in its own direction.

That's fine by me. I've been able to convert some of my friends into watching the show by telling them I haven't read the comics either, but that the show is still great on its own.

249 freetoken  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:56:42pm

re: #227 freetoken

PIMF "discount the future", not "depreciate", though "deprecate" might have been a good choice too.

250 BrainSurfer  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:57:27pm

re: #241 Grumpy, Not Sneezy

What happened? You made sense.

I guess the odds are that if I post enough gibberish, sooner or later, one of them posts might by chance be correct.

251 BenghaziHoops  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:57:29pm

The Oscars are staying excellent tonight

252 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:58:32pm

re: #241 Grumpy, Not Sneezy

What happened? You made sense.

No, he came close, but CO2 doesn't form a layer, so he still failed.

253 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:59:14pm
254 b_Snark  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:59:15pm

re: #246 Obdicut

CO2 doesn't form into layers, idiot. Various layers of the atmosphere have various concentrations, but it doesn't form it's own layer. It diffuses.

But even though you don't really understand it, I'm glad you acknowledge that CO2 traps heat in atmosphere. You've already acknowledged that mankind has been putting out enormous amounts of CO2.

So, since CO2 traps heat in atmosphere, and since we've added a ton of it, we'd expect to see warming. And, lo and behold, we do.

Now, there are four major climate models, each using entirely different software and algorithms, each of them using the wide array of temperature data sources. Each of these is highly accurate in prediction-- as in, if you take the model, take the inputs, they model how our climate has behaved.

So, given that the models are accurate, the basic science is very well-established, and the facts match what we'd expect-- lots of CO2 added to the atmosphere, lots of warming, concurrent with that CO2 increase.

So, good job disproving your own half-assed argument.

He may have meant the troposphere, which is the layer where most CO2 is, is thickening as shown by the tropopause moving upwards.

255 Shvaughn  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 7:59:29pm

re: #250 BrainSurfer

I guess the odds are that if I post enough gibberish, sooner or later, one of them posts might by chance be correct.

What do you think about intelligent design?

256 b_Snark  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:01:02pm

re: #255 Shvaughn

What do you think about intelligent design?

It breaks the 2LoT just like Evilution does.

257 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:01:03pm

re: #254 Grumpy, Not Sneezy

He may have meant the troposphere, which is the layer where most CO2 is, is thickening as shown by the tropopause moving upwards.

The troposphere isn't a CO2 layer, though. It's the lowest layer of the atmosphere. If it was a layer of CO2, we'd be fucked.

258 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:01:18pm

The Godfather's 40th anniversary is May 15, 2012.

Damn, I'm old.

259 b_Snark  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:02:23pm

re: #257 Obdicut

The troposphere isn't a CO2 layer, though. It's the lowest layer of the atmosphere. If it was a layer of CO2, we'd be fucked.

Yah, I know, I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.

260 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:03:37pm

Holy shit, how long is this going to run tonight?

261 Interesting Times  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:04:28pm

re: #254 Grumpy, Not Sneezy

re: #257 Obdicut

I'd also be interested in your thoughts about the info here:

Dead Trees...Dying Forests

Speaking for myself, on a scale of 1 to 10 - with 1 being "meh, not that bad" and 10 being "absolutely fucking terrifying" - it rates about a 15.

262 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:04:40pm

re: #260 The Right Height

Holy shit, how long is this going to run tonight?

Until their egos are satisfied.

263 freetoken  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:05:02pm

re: #247 Interesting Times

I'm not writing off the magnitude of changes that humans have, or can, make.

However, I still stand by my contention that we discount the future sufficiently for all of this to not really force us to change.

Cascading failures in the biosphere are painted for the doomer scenarios, but as I've written before I've not seen any evidence to show that this will happen. I have no doubt that when one looks at the effects the Milankovitch cycles have wrought all during the Pleistocene that the changes were not due just to physical (atmospheric, water) changes but also due to interactions with the biosphere. Yet trying to tease out the causality of life's changes during any period in Earth's past is difficult, and many unknowns remain.

What has been shown, to the best of my knowledge, is that changing precipitation globally changes the flora distribution, and that locally changes to the landscape plants can change local precipitation (see studies done in the Amazon about cloud formation.)

264 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:05:36pm

re: #260 The Right Height

Holy shit, how long is this going to run tonight?

Longer than it should.

265 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:06:12pm

re: #261 Interesting Times

It's all a rich bundle of horror.

266 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:06:24pm

Half of the reason I like Taylor Swift is this kind of stuff. I fanned her on FB, and this popped up a few days ago. This is in response to a male fan asking her to go to Prom with him:

Taylor Swift
Kevin, I'm so sorry but I won't be able to make it to your prom. But I was wondering, the ACM Awards are coming up.. Would you be my date?

Love, Taylor

267 freetoken  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:07:01pm

re: #257 Obdicut

The troposphere isn't a CO2 layer, though. It's the lowest layer of the atmosphere. If it was a layer of CO2, we'd be fucked.

Then I hope one of Obama's detention camps isn't on Mars.

268 BenghaziHoops  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:07:15pm

Those that have passed away.This is the sad part of the Oscars..
beautiful music..Who is that singing? She is awesome

269 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:08:56pm

re: #267 freetoken

Then I hope one of Obama's detention camps isn't on Mars.

If you had to choose between a Mars base, a moon base, and an undersea base, which would it be?

270 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:09:18pm
271 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:10:51pm

re: #269 To hold my temper, most of the time.

If you had to choose between a Mars base, a moon base, and an undersea base, which would it be?

272 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:11:23pm

re: #266 ProGunLiberal

Half of the reason I like Taylor Swift is this kind of stuff. I fanned her on FB, and this popped up a few days ago. This is in response to a male fan asking her to go to Prom with him:

I read about that on CNN. The guy has cancer, and when she made that offer he was too sick to join in the video reply. But the doctors think they'll have him well enough to join her by April.

273 b_Snark  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:11:44pm

re: #263 freetoken

I'm not writing off the magnitude of changes that humans have, or can, make.

However, I still stand by my contention that we discount the future sufficiently for all of this to not really force us to change.

Cascading failures in the biosphere are painted for the doomer scenarios, but as I've written before I've not seen any evidence to show that this will happen. I have no doubt that when one looks at the effects the Milankovitch cycles have wrought all during the Pleistocene that the changes were not due just to physical (atmospheric, water) changes but also due to interactions with the biosphere. Yet trying to tease out the causality of life's changes during any period in Earth's past is difficult, and many unknowns remain.

What has been shown, to the best of my knowledge, is that changing precipitation globally changes the flora distribution, and that locally changes to the landscape plants can change local precipitation (see studies done in the Amazon about cloud formation.)

Have you read anything by James Lovelock and homeostasis?

274 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:11:46pm

re: #269 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Terraform Mars, and have an Undersea Mars Base. :P

275 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:12:10pm

I, personally, would probably choose moon.

I'm claustrophobic, so there goes underwater, and I'm not a big fan of long travel times. Also, a nice Earthscape to look at now and then would be a selling point.

276 Kragar  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:12:14pm

re: #269 To hold my temper, most of the time.

If you had to choose between a Mars base, a moon base, and an undersea base, which would it be?

An undersea base on Mars' moon.

277 Shvaughn  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:12:36pm

re: #268 HoosierHoops

Those that have passed away.This is the sad part of the Oscars..
beautiful music..Who is that singing? She is awesome

Esperanza Spalding

278 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:12:40pm

re: #272 Dark_Falcon

That really sucks about the Cancer. What kind is it?

279 b_Snark  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:12:50pm

re: #269 To hold my temper, most of the time.

If you had to choose between a Mars base, a moon base, and an undersea base, which would it be?

Mars.
I want my ashes sent to Mars.

280 b_Snark  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:13:39pm

re: #276 Kragar

An undersea base on Mars' moon.

Both moons are too small.

281 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:14:06pm

re: #280 Grumpy, Not Sneezy

Both moons are too small.

Just how big is Kragar?

282 b_Snark  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:14:41pm

re: #281 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Just how big is Kragar?

Humungous.

283 Kragar  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:16:54pm

re: #282 Grumpy, Not Sneezy

Humungous.

Have I mention lately that I'm immense and immortal?

284 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:17:30pm

re: #283 Kragar

Have I mention lately that I'm immense and immortal?

So, then, you need a pretty big moon. Jupiter has several candidates.

285 BrainSurfer  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:18:03pm

re: #246 Obdicut

CO2 doesn't form into layers, idiot. Various layers of the atmosphere have various concentrations, but it doesn't form it's own layer. It diffuses.

But even though you don't really understand it, I'm glad you acknowledge that CO2 traps heat in atmosphere. You've already acknowledged that mankind has been putting out enormous amounts of CO2.

So, since CO2 traps heat in atmosphere, and since we've added a ton of it, we'd expect to see warming. And, lo and behold, we do.

We do? No where near as much as all the climate models predict

Now, there are four major climate models, each using entirely different software and algorithms, each of them using the wide array of temperature data sources. Each of these is highly accurate in prediction-- as in, if you take the model, take the inputs, they model how our climate has behaved.

So, given that the models are accurate, the basic science is very well-established, and the facts match what we'd expect-- lots of CO2 added to the atmosphere, lots of warming, concurrent with that CO2 increase.

So, good job disproving your own half-assed argument.

There is a major flaw in your reasoning - the government climate models are not accurate - they have all greatly overestimated the effect of CO2 emissions on global temperatures by roughly a factor of three. The facts as you say do not match what AGW proponents - the IPCC and especially NASA's Hansen - have predicted. On this point we disagree, and its a major difference.

Key consideration is the dampening effect of clouds, oceans, water evaporation, etc, instead of an amplifying effect which the models utilize. Something is at work which is keeping temperature down to the roughly 0.5 degree C rise per century since the 1600's, with short-term warming and cooling trends ever since.

286 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:18:10pm

Oh man. Rediscovering the genius of "All in the Family."

287 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:19:11pm

re: #286 Gus

Oh man. Rediscovering the genius of "All in the Family."

How come nobody ever re-discovers the genius of Mork and Mindy?

Or "CHIPS?"

288 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:19:44pm

re: #285 BrainSurfer

...they have all greatly overestimated the effect of CO2 emissions on global temperatures by roughly a factor of three....

Got a citation for that?

Linky?

289 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:21:20pm

re: #288 Gus

He got the info from the POOMAI, the Pulled Out of My Ass Institute.

290 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:21:23pm

re: #285 BrainSurfer

The government climate models? What about the non-governmental ones?

they have all greatly overestimated the effect of CO2 emissions on global temperatures by roughly a factor of three

I see. The climatologists of the world don't really understand the climate, but you do, so well that you can precisely say how wrong they are. Holy crap.

What a joke. You've shown yourself pretty thoroughly to be a complete fucking moron on this topic. I won't bother asking you any more questions to further display your derpitude.

291 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:21:26pm

re: #278 ProGunLiberal

That really sucks about the Cancer. What kind is it?

Leukemia. Here's the article.

292 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:22:14pm

re: #285 BrainSurfer

There is a major flaw in your reasoning - the government climate models are not accurate - they have all greatly overestimated the effect of CO2 emissions on global temperatures by roughly a factor of three.

Image: CitationNeeded.jpg

293 Stanghazi  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:23:15pm

Fucking multitasking galore.

Walking Dead, Oscars, LGF, twitter.

We are going to either be immune to Alzheimer's because of this, or stroke out earlier.

294 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:23:40pm

re: #285 BrainSurfer

And here comes the Denialism. The grand entrance of the Lord Mockton quote can't be far off.

295 Stanghazi  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:24:26pm

re: #293 College is GOOD you asshat.

:) Darth! Hey!

296 BenghaziHoops  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:24:30pm

Well so far: Brad Pitt 0 Some French guy 1
Who will win between him and George Clooney?
Because MoneyBall is a sports movie I want really Brad to win..
I think Pitt's best movie for his whole career was a River runs through it

297 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:24:41pm

re: #293 College is GOOD you asshat.

298 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:26:14pm

It's from Art Horn. Meteorologist.

The climate models get them all wrong. The missing hotspot and outgoing radiation data both, independently, prove that the amplification in the climate models is not present. Without the amplification, the climate model temperature predictions would be cut by at least two-thirds, which would explain why they overestimated the recent air and ocean temperature increases. Therefore,

* The climate models are fundamentally flawed. Their assumed threefold amplification by feedbacks does not in fact exist.

* The climate models overestimate temperature rises due to CO2 by at least a factor of three.

* The skeptical view is compatible with the data.

IceCap at Desmogblog.

299 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:27:24pm

re: #298 Gus

It's from Art Horn. Meteorologist.

A weatherman is his source?

Words fail.

300 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:27:38pm

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

I hope he can win against the Leukemia. :(

301 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:27:42pm

Basically it's a 3 page "editorial" by the weatherguy.

302 freetoken  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:28:42pm

re: #269 To hold my temper, most of the time.

If you had to choose between a Mars base, a moon base, and an undersea base, which would it be?

Undersea, definitely.

303 b_Snark  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:28:59pm

re: #285 BrainSurfer

There is a major flaw in your reasoning - the government climate models are not accurate - they have all greatly overestimated the effect of CO2 emissions on global temperatures by roughly a factor of three. The facts as you say do not match what AGW proponents - the IPCC and especially NASA's Hansen - have predicted. On this point we disagree, and its a major difference.

Key consideration is the dampening effect of clouds, oceans, water evaporation, etc, instead of an amplifying effect which the models utilize. Something is at work which is keeping temperature down to the roughly 0.5 degree C rise per century since the 1600's, with short-term warming and cooling trends ever since.

Actually, if you refrain from cherry picking and include the error bars, the measured temps fit within the composite model quite nicely. The IPCC graphs show three scenarios and the real temps follow the C scenario quite well. You seem to be getting your information from sites like WUWT where crap is published that shows only that the authors don't know what they are talking about.

There are 21 models, and some of them do incorporate clouds. What is unknown is if clouds are a net positive or negative feedback, but it is known that vapour is a positive feedback.

304 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:29:35pm
305 freetoken  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:32:42pm

re: #273 Grumpy, Not Sneezy

Have you read anything by James Lovelock and homeostasis?

Nah, I don't read anymore, just watch pretty moving pictures.

All the kingdoms of life on Earth have been interacting since their beginning, and flora have been changing the Earth's surface from their beginning, with the advent of oxygen in the atmosphere in meaningful quantities. Change one kingdom, the others will be affected. Yet that doesn't help us figure out what will happen in the next 10, 100, or 1000 years wrt climate change.

307 b_Snark  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:34:15pm

re: #298 Gus

It's from Art Horn. Meteorologist.

IceCap at Desmogblog.

D'Aleo and Watts published a bit where they didn't run any numbers but did show they had no idea what 'anomoly' means.

308 BrainSurfer  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:34:25pm

re: #255 Shvaughn

What do you think about intelligent design?

Shvaugh - Intelligent design - disregarding the politics of today's definition of it - has in my opinion been a very appropriate way to describe how nature has organized itself from the largest (the universe) down to the smallest details, and we continue to discover more and more organization and beauty in nature everywhere we look. Whether or not some one believes in a God, it is hard for anyone not to say that nature is indeed extremely elegant in design.

I recommend the book Chaos by James Gleick - I first read the hardcover back in 1987 (info on the paperback at the link). Covers so many different areas of the science of "chaos", which amazingly is no where as chaotic as it seems.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

309 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:35:01pm

re: #304 Obdicut

Image: watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme.png

Nobody is stopping them from publishing a scientific paper. The few they do publish are riddled errors. If they do the research and put together some real research. Instead we get a lot of junk science and political baggage.

310 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:36:01pm

WND-Science

//

311 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:36:56pm

Don't believe in climate change kid. That's part of the homosexual-atheist-Muslim communistic agenda. Now, here's my science paper.

//

312 bubba zanetti  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:37:42pm

If we're going to talk predictions and models, maybe we should look at how both sides are doing:

Image: Hansen_vs_Lindzen_simple.png

313 EdDantes  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:37:57pm

This guy sounds like Peter Lorre.

314 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:38:36pm

re: #308 BrainSurfer

I'm going to be blunt here.

You are a scientifially-illiterate dumbass who should be reading up on how Evolution and Greenhouse Gases work. I'm going to guess you are the type who thinks the Bible is the only book you think should be taught.

315 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:39:01pm

re: #312 bubba zanetti

If we're going to talk predictions and models, maybe we should look at how both sides are doing:

Image: Hansen_vs_Lindzen_simple.png

[Pow!]

"They got me!"

[Grabs wound and falls into ditch.]

//

316 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:41:59pm

re: #308 BrainSurfer

Intelligent design - disregarding the politics of today's definition of it -

You are avoiding the question by disregarding the meaning of the phrase.

317 bubba zanetti  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:42:03pm

And that's Hansen 1988, bitches.

318 b_Snark  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:42:04pm

re: #308 BrainSurfer

Shvaugh - Intelligent design - disregarding the politics of today's definition of it - has in my opinion been a very appropriate way to describe how nature has organized itself from the largest (the universe) down to the smallest details, and we continue to discover more and more organization and beauty in nature everywhere we look. Whether or not some one believes in a God, it is hard for anyone not to say that nature is indeed extremely elegant in design.

I recommend the book Chaos by James Gleick - I first read the hardcover back in 1987 (info on the paperback at the link). Covers so many different areas of the science of "chaos", which amazingly is no where as chaotic as it seems.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

That is a good book, but what does it have to do with ID?
The universe is amazing in its complexity and beauty and it's very tempting to use the word 'design' when refering to it, but I'm afraid the IDists have flooded the memeverse with a narrow definition of the word.

319 Kragar  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:42:14pm

re: #315 Gus

[Pow!]

"They got me!"

[Grabs wound and falls into ditch.]

//

"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"

ka-pwing!

320 Interesting Times  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:42:25pm

re: #312 bubba zanetti

If we're going to talk predictions and models, maybe we should look at how both sides are doing:

Image: Hansen_vs_Lindzen_simple.png

This one is also a must-see:

Skeptics vs Realists

321 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:42:28pm

re: #308 BrainSurfer

Especially the elegant way that cancer kills people, often with great suffering. That definitely seems like the handiwork of some great deity.

322 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:42:32pm

re: #308 BrainSurfer

Shvaugh - Intelligent design - disregarding the politics of today's definition of it - has in my opinion been a very appropriate way to describe how nature has organized itself from the largest (the universe) down to the smallest details, and we continue to discover more and more organization and beauty in nature everywhere we look. Whether or not some one believes in a God, it is hard for anyone not to say that nature is indeed extremely elegant in design.

I recommend the book Chaos by James Gleick - I first read the hardcover back in 1987 (info on the paperback at the link). Covers so many different areas of the science of "chaos", which amazingly is no where as chaotic as it seems.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Umm...if you don't think there's a god, you don't think there's any design involved at all...

323 b_Snark  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:42:51pm

re: #311 Gus

Don't believe in climate change kid. That's part of the homosexual-atheist-Muslim communistic agenda. Now, here's my science paper.

//

What's this stinky brown stuff on your paper?

324 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:43:12pm

re: #319 Kragar

"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"

ka-pwing!

KAZAM! Just got you with my Moozlamic Rayguns™.

//

325 b_Snark  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:44:05pm

re: #314 ProGunLiberal

I'm going to be blunt here.

You are a scientifially-illiterate dumbass who should be reading up on how Evolution and Greenhouse Gases work. I'm going to guess you are the type who thinks the Bible is the only book you think should be taught.

OK, I'm sorry already. Obdicut made me do it.

326 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:44:12pm

re: #323 Grumpy, Not Sneezy

What's this stinky brown stuff on your paper?

Hmm. Why, you know. That looks like a santorum[15].

327 bubba zanetti  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:45:32pm

re: #308 BrainSurfer

Evidently you've never been kicked in the nuts. There was nothing intelligent about the way those were designed.

328 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:45:43pm

Looks to me like Hansen's been batting 500 on the temps.

329 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:46:20pm

re: #327 bubba zanetti

Evidently you've never been kicked in the nuts. There was nothing intelligent about the way those were designed.

Those puppies need to breathe!

330 b_Snark  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:48:29pm

re: #329 The Right Height

Those puppies need to breathe!

Just how big are yours that you call them puppies?

331 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:49:04pm

The fact is that we're barely doing anything about AGW. Considering many factors. Adding insult to injury is now you have people who are climate change deniers and worse. People that want to remove CAFE standards and close down the EPA. Sell public land to private investors. Etc. How do we get to mitigation from here when in fact almost half of the population in America wants to backwards in time?

332 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:49:21pm

re: #322 The Right Height

Umm...if you don't think there's a god, you don't think there's any design involved at all...

The meaning of the word design requires a designer except in the loosest possible sense (like the misuse of theory). Those who describe the structure of the universe in a non poetic way, are implicitly referencing a designer.

333 BrainSurfer  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:50:43pm

re: #290 Obdicut

The government climate models? What about the non-governmental ones?

I see. The climatologists of the world don't really understand the climate, but you do, so well that you can precisely say how wrong they are. Holy crap.

What a joke. You've shown yourself pretty thoroughly to be a complete fucking moron on this topic. I won't bother asking you any more questions to further display your derpitude.

And you are... the world's expert? Why, when I provide answers to your questions - which you obviously don't like, you resort to swearing at me and indicate you no longer want to debate.

And you refer to my "derpitude" - oh, that was really really low. I am wounded, wounded deeply. (But I will survive!)

Are you so bitter, or close minded, that you cannot accept a difference of opinion. If you (or anyone else here) can convince me that your facts and theories are the best available, then I am with you. Right now I question everythingre: #298 Gus

It's from Art Horn. Meteorologist.

IceCap at Desmogblog.

Art Horn - to be honest, I had not heard of him until you mentioned him just now.

334 BenghaziHoops  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:50:54pm

Well.. That was a pretty good Oscar show tonight..Billy did a good job..
HEADLINES (AP) American Actors Clooney and Pitt get asses kicked by unknown French dudes..Jolie still has sexy legs

335 b_Snark  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:52:18pm

Good night lizards.

336 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:52:39pm

re: #334 HoosierHoops

Well.. That was a pretty good Oscar show tonight..Billy did a good job..
HEADLINES (AP) American Actors Clooney and Pitt get asses kicked by unknown French dudes..Jolie still has sexy legs

She has to show off those legs to distract attention from the scrawny lookin' arms.

337 BrainSurfer  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:53:23pm

And with the Oscars over and done with, I'm signing off. Enjoyed getting beat up over the unexpected AGW discussion. Hold your punches for tomorrow. Cheers.

338 Mich-again  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:54:54pm

re: #331 Gus

How do we get to mitigation from here when in fact almost half of the population in America wants to backwards in time?

On a related note the GOP is simultaneously doing everything possible to gut public education. Dumb people are easier to herd.

339 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:55:22pm

re: #337 BrainSurfer

I love one post whining about how you're being mistreated, following by a claim you enjoyed it.

I'll never understand people like you.

340 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:56:21pm

re: #338 Mich-again

On a related note the GOP is simultaneously doing everything possible to gut public education. Dumb people are easier to herd.

They're also doing everything they can to ensure that those uneducated folks don't learn anything about their bodies and don't have any means of preventing an unwanted pregnancy except prayer. Then those same people get denied any sort of social safety net so they can starve or work for whatever pittance the bosses deign to give them, because the minimum wage is evil.

341 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:56:43pm

Guess I won't bring up the part about US Navy oceanographers and navigators; NASA; Dryden; NOAA; European Space... Are all on board with AGW.

342 jaunte  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:56:53pm

re: #339 Obdicut

Whatever that activity is that he's engaging in, doesn't seem like much fun.

343 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:57:28pm

List is longer obviously. Brevity is the key on the intertoobs.

344 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:57:42pm

re: #341 Gus

Guess I won't bring up the part about US Navy oceanographers and navigators; NASA; Dryden; NOAA; European Space... Are all on board with AGW.

ZOMG Socialist plot!

345 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:58:52pm

re: #326 Gus

Hmm. Why, you know. That looks like a santorum[15].

Mandatory downding.

346 BenghaziHoops  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:58:53pm

re: #336 The Right Height

She has to show off those legs to distract attention from the scrawny lookin' arms.

Lame Tat's..But really..You were looking at her arms? She could win hottest Actress not in a P0rn film every year..
//

347 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 8:59:17pm

re: #345 Dark_Falcon

Mandatory downding.

Oh yeah. Well. I stab you with my pillow! Hardily in fact.

//

348 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:02:04pm

re: #339 Obdicut

I love one post whining about how you're being mistreated, following by a claim you enjoyed it.

I'll never understand people like you.

He's an Internet Martyr: Bravely Speaking the Denial Truth to the Liberal Heathens. Alas, they refuse to listen and attack the Truth Bearer. But he shall return to bother us again with his DERPing, till Charles grows weary of the game and boots him. Whereupon, as has been noted above, the Internet Martyr will speak of his being "persecuted" and lament how he "was banned without one word of warning."

349 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:02:26pm

re: #345 Dark_Falcon

The person you should be down-dinging is Rick Santorum, for being such a retrograde, ignorant douchebag and an embarrassment for any political party trying to run in the 21st century.

350 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:02:59pm

re: #347 Gus

Oh yeah. Well. I stab you with my pillow! Hardily in fact.

//

And I retaliate by farting in your general direction!

//

351 Interesting Times  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:03:11pm

re: #331 Gus

How do we get to mitigation from here when in fact almost half of the population in America want's to backwards in time?

Speaking of backwards...

Texas drought leads to shade tree die-off

The shade tree die-off represents some 10 percent of the state's urban forest, and is in addition to as many as a half-billion rural, park and forest trees that the forest service reported in December were killed in the drought.
...
Removing the trees could cost homeowners, utilities and local governments some $560 million, according to the forest service. Dead trees in urban areas present a safety hazard, and have to be removed so that they do not fall onto power lines, pedestrians, and streets, the service said.

The loss of shade trees will cost Texans an additional $280 million in higher utility bills, according to Smith. And property values will be depressed by the loss of monumental oak and mesquite trees that pepper many Texas lawns.

Durr hurr, trashing the environment is good for the economee! God gave us dominion over all! Derp.

352 jaunte  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:03:41pm

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

The Internet Martyr part is not so bad, but the slow and boring part is really tiresome.

353 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:05:11pm

re: #351 Interesting Times

Speaking of backwards...

Texas drought leads to shade tree die-off

Good point in bringing up the Texas drought. Forgot about that I was just thinking about that outside a couple of minutes ago. Texas drought. Oklahoma temps. California is having a terrible ski season this year. Not enough snow here for a time. Snow isn't a good predictor though. Texas drought and fires were terrible.

354 BenghaziHoops  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:06:12pm

re: #350 Dark_Falcon

And I retaliate by farting in your general direction!

//

If Killing is your only talent..Then I want no one to die for me
-Troy

355 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:06:18pm

re: #349 Lidane

The person you should be down-dinging is Rick Santorum, for being such a retrograde, ignorant douchebag and an embarrassment for any political party trying to run in the 21st century.

This isn't about him, I downdinged because I object to the use of the surname "Santorum" as a word for some disgusting thing or act. I view it as unfairly attacking an entire family for the actions of one of its members. And I also don't like making fun of people's names like that, due my own experience being the subject of attacks of that nature.

356 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:07:36pm

We're talking about sustaining a massive population on limited resources as well. It grows almost exponentially.

357 jaunte  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:07:42pm

re: #353 Gus

It's really sad how many trees were killed by the drought.

An estimated 5.6 million trees that once shaded homes, streets and parks in communities across Texas now are dead as a result of last year’s unrelenting drought.
[Link: txforestservice.tamu.edu...]

358 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:08:56pm

re: #355 Dark_Falcon

I know that. And again, if Rick Santorum wasn't such a retrograde, ignorant douchebag and bigot, the meme never would have started. It's entirely a self-inflicted wound.

359 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:11:40pm

re: #357 jaunte

It's really sad how many trees were killed by the drought.

Fires only work with certain types of pines, conifers. When you hit deciduous trees it's devastating for decades. We have an oddly inefficient forest fire system however. They do great work with what they have but we need larger units and quicker response times.

360 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:12:02pm

re: #358 Lidane

I know that. And again, if Rick Santorum wasn't such a retrograde, ignorant douchebag and bigot, the entire meme never would have started. It's entirely a self-inflicted wound.

I don't care. In my opinion, there are some attacks that should not be made, no matter how deserving the target is, because people who don't deserve to suffer get caught inside the attack's damage radius.

361 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:12:55pm

re: #355 Dark_Falcon

This isn't about him, I downdinged because I object to the use of the surname "Santorum" as a word for some disgusting thing or act. I view it as unfairly attacking an entire family for the actions of one of its members. And I also don't like making fun of people's names like that, due my own experience being the subject of attacks of that nature.

Wow. Hell, I must get 6 or 7 downdings from you a day...

362 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:13:53pm

re: #361 The Right Height

Wow. Hell, I must get 6 or 7 downdings from you a day...

Unlikely. I'm not here most of the time you're posting. During the week I'm only here at night and often only briefly.

363 Interesting Times  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:14:09pm

re: #353 Gus

Good point in bringing up the Texas drought. Forgot about that I was just thinking about that outside a couple of minutes ago. Texas drought. Oklahoma temps. California is having a terrible ski season this year. Not enough snow here for a time. Snow isn't a good predictor though. Texas drought and fires were terrible.

Ironic that two of the biggest denier states (TX and OK) will wind up suffering from AGW the most. Texas wingnuts who derogatorily refer to environmentalists as "tree huggers" just got a none-too-pleasant reminder of what the loss of said item entails.

364 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:16:23pm

re: #363 Interesting Times

Ironic that two of the biggest denier states (TX and OK) will wind up suffering from AGW the most. Texas wingnuts who derogatorily refer to environmentalists as "tree huggers" just got a none-too-pleasant reminder of what the loss of said item entails.

Seems to work that way. Much like the Arab oil countries. It's almost like oil has its own bad karma. I'm not supposed to believe in things like that. Still. Makes you think. Oil is killing us. Or will kill us in the end.

Cause of death: exposure to oil. Thus it read on mankind's tombstone.

365 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:17:13pm

Dark's right. Can we please wipe this thread clean of any traces of Santorum?

366 Mich-again  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:20:08pm

Mitt makes a speech at Ford Field a few days before the Super Tuesday GOP primary and the Lion's fight song is "Four Weird Down the Field" Coincidence?

367 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:23:31pm

re: #366 Mich-again

Mitt makes a speech at Ford Field a few days before the Super Tuesday GOP primary and the Lion's fight song is "Four Weird Down the Field" Coincidence?

Yep, that's all it is. The original site of that event had sold out, so a bigger venue was picked. As it happens, that replacement venue was far too large and the result was seriously bad optics.

368 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:24:26pm

re: #358 Lidane

I know that. And again, if Rick Santorum wasn't such a retrograde, ignorant douchebag and bigot, the meme never would have started. It's entirely a self-inflicted wound.

You gotta figure it took a hell of a lot of pissed-off people to get "santorum" to its honored position on The Google.

369 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:25:08pm

I prefer to call Rick a dumbass.
Not too keen on the whole meme thing.
Besides, everyone uses it. Which automatically makes it not cool.
:P

370 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:26:19pm

re: #369 Varek Raith

I prefer to call Rick a dumbass.
Not too keen on the whole meme thing.
Besides, everyone uses it. Which automatically makes it not cool.
:P

School circle!

//

371 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:26:36pm

re: #369 Varek Raith

I prefer to call Rick a dumbass.

Ah, that would then be a "Santorectum."

372 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:28:02pm

re: #371 BongCrodny

Ah, that would then be a "Santorectum."

Fry: Did you build the Smelloscope?

Professor Hubert Farnsworth: No, I remembered that I'd built one last year. Go ahead, try it. You'll find that every heavenly body has its own particular scent. Here, I'll point it at Jupiter.

Fry: Smells like strawberries.

Professor Hubert Farnsworth: Exactly. And now, Saturn.

Fry: Pine needles. Oh, man, this is great... hey, as long as you don't make me smell Uranus.

Leela: I don't get it.

Professor Hubert Farnsworth: I'm sorry, Fry, but astronomers renamed Uranus in 2620 to end that stupid joke once and for all.

Fry: Oh. What's it called now?

Professor Hubert Farnsworth: Urrectum. Here, let me locate it for you.

Fry: No, no, I, I think I'll just smell around a bit over here.

373 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:31:58pm

re: #372 Varek Raith

Professor Hubert Farnsworth: I'm sorry, Fry, but astronomers renamed Uranus in 2620 to end that stupid joke once and for all.

Fry: Oh. What's it called now?

Professor Hubert Farnsworth: Urrectum. Here, let me locate it for you.

My ten-year-old is poking through. That's got to be my favorite Futurama joke ever.

374 Kragar  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:34:41pm

re: #373 BongCrodny

My ten-year-old is poking through. That's got to be my favorite Futurama joke ever.

Bender: Yeah, well... I'm gonna go build my own theme park, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the park!

375 Mich-again  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:36:45pm

re: #367 Dark_Falcon

Two more coincidences..

Mitt was on artificial turf literally and figuratively. He likes to call Detroit home yet he has no connection left here at all. And, Mitt was recalling his youth while the field turf beneath him was made using ground rubber from recalled Firestone tires from the Explorer debacle. I won't even mention retreads. Mitt will probably win the primary here by process of elimination, but he has zero chance in the general.

376 wee fury  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:38:00pm

It is always fun to watch the Awards. Hopefully, next year they will ask Whoopi Goldberg to host.

377 palomino  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:41:42pm

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

So the far-left had its FEMA CAMPS!!1 moment back in December when the NDAA for FY2012 passed, so now its the far-right's turn to fall off the Stupid Tree.

Both cases are essentially the same: Morons who hate the government and want to feel that the government hates them back. Fearing being rounded up by the Feds makes them feel consequential.

But this isn't some new story. Since before he was elected, right wing fearmongers have warned of concentration and re-education camps that Obama (aka Hitler the Second) was going to force on conservatives, "real" Christians, white people, whatever. WND's version is merely the latest iteration of a long-standing deranged Beckian trope.

378 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:42:06pm

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379 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:42:32pm

re: #369 Varek Raith

I prefer to call Rick a dumbass.

I prefer calling him Torquemada Jr., since that's pretty much who he is.

His comments about the separation of church and state prove it.

380 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:43:44pm

re: #377 palomino

But this isn't some new story. Since before he was elected, right wing fearmongers have warned of concentration and re-education camps that Obama (aka Hitler the Second) was going to force on conservatives, "real" Christians, white people, whatever. WND's version is merely the latest iteration of a long-standing deranged Beckian trope.

I know, and I don't dispute that. I'm just saying its stupid and a sign of minds fleeing reality.

Good Night.

381 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:46:13pm
382 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:47:14pm

re: #379 Lidane

I prefer calling him Torquemada Jr., since that's pretty much who he is.

His comments about the separation of church and state prove it.

And, I have it on good authority that he's "kind of a dick." Did I mention how much a dick he is?

383 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:47:27pm

re: #378 Dark_Falcon

I just managed to stumble back on to the Wikipedia page about the Bosnian Rape camps that the Serbians had.

Then, I found out about the comments Chelsea Handler made last year about Serbia. Unfortunately, my state of mind after the wiki page means I approve of her comments. It doesn't help that I feel massively stressed otherwise.

384 freetoken  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:48:59pm

re: #377 palomino

I just hope Obama's detention camps have the right kind of guards.

385 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:49:31pm

re: #382 Targetpractice

And, I have it on good authority that he's "kind of a dick." Did I mention how much a dick he is?

Some recent article I read about him said he was probably the most friendless person in the Senate.

It takes skill to be the most hated, friendless guy in the Senate.

386 palomino  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:51:30pm

re: #286 Gus

Oh man. Rediscovering the genius of "All in the Family."

Probably my all-time favorite show. I loved it as a 5-year old when it debuted, and I love reruns of it now. Carroll O'Connor and Jean Stapleton were perfect...even Reiner and Struthers were really good, as were many of the supporting actors (Bea Arthur, though not in that many episodes, et al.)

I saw a panel discussion the other day for Breaking Bad. Producer Vince Gilligan used AITF as an example of shows that couldn't get made today for network TV. It was too socially and politically aware, and it was about the struggle of working class people. Cable stations still have interest, to some extent, in such shows. But the networks have wussed out. Pathetic that they've moved backwards over the last 40 years in many ways.

387 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:51:52pm

re: #384 freetoken

I just hope Obama's detention camps have the right kind of guards.

...I'll be in my bunk.

//

388 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:53:32pm

re: #386 palomino

Probably my all-time favorite show. I loved it as a 5-year old when it debuted, and I love reruns of it now. Carroll O'Connor and Jean Stapleton were perfect...even Reiner and Struthers were really good, as were many of the supporting actors (Bea Arthur, though not in that many episodes, et al.)

I saw a panel discussion the other day for Breaking Bad. Producer Vince Gilligan used AITF as an example of shows that couldn't get made today for network TV. It was too socially and politically aware, and it was about the struggle of working class people. Cable stations still have interest, to some extent, in such shows. But the networks have wussed out. Pathetic that they've moved backwards over the last 40 years in many ways.

I couldn't stop laughing. Carol O'Connor was perfect as was the rest of the cast. I grew up on "All in the Family" in many ways. It was a big change of all of us. It was groundbreaking.

389 palomino  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:55:12pm

re: #384 freetoken

I just hope Obama's detention camps have the right kind of guards.

That definitely ain't Jesus Camp.

390 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:56:11pm

REM - Radio Free Europe

First TV appearance in 1983. Damn they were good. Soundtrack performance in one take you can say.

391 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:56:55pm

re: #384 freetoken

I just hope Obama's detention camps have the right kind of guards.

How much do I have to pay to get in?

392 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 9:59:59pm

re: #384 freetoken

I just hope Obama's detention camps have the right kind of guards.

Obama sucks!
Send me to a detention camp please.

393 palomino  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:01:12pm

re: #388 Gus

I couldn't stop laughing. Carol O'Connor was perfect as was the rest of the cast. I grew up on "All in the Family" in many ways. It was a big change of all of us. It was groundbreaking.

My parents were conservative Republicans back then and even they loved the show, as did the rest of my family.

Totally groundbreaking: how many shows before, comedy or drama, depicted political arguments involving the actual current president and issues like poverty, war, social injustice, etc? Even today there's not much like it. Funny thing about how we've changed: Reiner's character (and probably Norman Lear) saw Nixon as a right-wing extremist at the time. Today Nixon would be a centrist Democrat, and would have little tolerance for the evangelization of his party. He was a corrupt guy, but also a reasonable and pragmatic politician (at least some of the time).

394 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:04:28pm

re: #393 palomino

My parents were conservative Republicans back then and even they loved the show, as did the rest of my family.

Totally groundbreaking: how many shows before, comedy or drama, depicted political arguments involving the actual current president and issues like poverty, war, social injustice, etc. Funny thing about how we've changed: Mike (and probably Norman Lear) saw Nixon as a right-wing extremist at the time. Today Nixon would be a centrist Democrat, and would have little tolerance for the evangelization of his party. He was a corrupt guy, but also a reasonable and pragmatic politician (at least some of the time).

I remember doing a research paper on Nixon a couple months after Obama was inaugurated and concluding the same thing. Told my Dad who was a bit of a hippie type in the 60's and early 70's and the type that hated Nixon. He looked at me like I was nuts but the facts don't lie about Nixon domestically. I still don't know how to feel about him overall though. The Southern Strategy is a nasty legacy more so than Watergate for me.

395 freetoken  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:08:19pm

re: #388 Gus

AITF was one of two hallmark shows of that era, the other being M*A*S*H.

Today... I don't keep up with broadcast network television (probably for the same reason I don't have a TV.) If there is something I want to watch I can see it through the internet, but that is dominated by documentaries (and no, not Ancient Aliens) and the occasional reality TV show (DWTS, etc.)

I gather that today's broadcast shows are mostly fluffy sitcoms (rather than the biting social commentary of AITF), reality TV, or fantasy/escape serials. In between sports broadcasts, that is.

Is this any worse than 40 years ago? There was some pretty bad TV 40 years ago too. I remember liking the Carol Burnett Show, but she and her cast were very special. Laugh In was funny at times.

Lots of music shows of that time had the big names but were the shows really that special? Dean Martin, Glenn Campbell... heck, even Hee Haw had the big c&m stars (not to mention the suggestively clad young women.) But I can't remember any episodes or performances from anything I watched, unlike a few (fading but still present) memories of moments from AITF or M*A*S*H.

The Westerns were mostly escapism... spinning tales of a mythic American past even if they did occasionally pick up morality tales and re-type them.

So, I'm not sure that today's TV shows are on the whole any less memorable than the past, but there might be some holes which truly great shows could possibly fill but which the networks refuse to invest the money or take the risk.

396 palomino  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:09:18pm

re: #394 HappyWarrior

I remember doing a research paper on Nixon a couple months after Obama was inaugurated and concluding the same thing. Told my Dad who was a bit of a hippie type in the 60's and early 70's and the type that hated Nixon. He looked at me like I was nuts but the facts don't lie about Nixon domestically. I still don't know how to feel about him overall though. The Southern Strategy is a nasty legacy more so than Watergate for me.

The southern strategy was totally cynical and pernicious...just one more thing Nixon was willing to do to get elected. He didn't possess a lot in the way of scruples, and that was true in his days in Congress as an over the top anti-Communist (sort of a McCarthy wannabe). Not a LOT about him that was redeeming, other than his willingness to actually compromise and govern, unlike today's Republicans, who are mainly irrational ideologues.

397 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:09:47pm

You know next month is the 40th anniversary of the Godfather's release. That's crazy. Got the complete restored set on Blu-Ray at Amazon last week for only 25 bucks in a one day sale though.

398 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:11:28pm

re: #396 palomino

The southern strategy was totally cynical and pernicious...just one more thing Nixon was willing to do to get elected. He didn't possess a lot in the way of scruples, and that was true in his days in Congress as an over the top anti-Communist (sort of a McCarthy wannabe). Not a LOT about him that was redeeming, other than his willingness to actually compromise and govern, unlike today's Republicans, who are mainly irrational ideologues.

Yeah I know. Here's an interesting fact though. He was on the president/vice president ticket more than any other person for the major parties. Five times.
Twice as Ike's running mate, Once when he lost in 1960, and his two wins in 68 and 72. I have a lot that I dislike about him but he intrigues me since he's such a tragic figure to me in some ways.

399 Flavia  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:16:24pm

re: #239 College is GOOD you asshat.

LOL, a new twitterer

Angelina Jolie's Leg ‏ @AngiesRightLeg

Hey, check me out!

Yeah, she totally ruined her entire look with that egregious posturing. Me, I mostly watch for fashion, & I was pleasantly surprised this year - many gorgeous outfits that were both flattering and attractive in & of themselves. I only had 3 beefs, and that was one of them. The other was that red dress with the huge stupid bow - Nicole Kidman did that a few years ago, & it looked dumb on her - how bright do you have to be to want to replicate that? My last complaint was the "fashion gurus" drooling over that orange ruffled monstrosity. Granted, the girl's coloring was actually appropriate (only about 14% of the population can even wear orange!), but the dress was awful in almost every other way. Still (always & forever) hate the whole "regular tie with tux" thing. Negates most of the point for even wearing a tux.

400 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:17:09pm

re: #395 freetoken

No. The fact that Botox and "ultimate examples of beauty" has taken over the movie/television industry is not lost upon me. "All in the Family" was like theater with people you could relate to. That has lessened more and more over the years where now the characters are like super people from another world or pure caricatures. If not over the top, sometime begging, humor.

Needless to say I really don't watch TV anymore. I believe we achieve excellence in stages. Not all endeavors are permanent. Just like we no longer create great massive works of music like Beethoven. The era of great television so too passes its mark. Our best hope is to look forward to a next frontier and stop trying to remake the past. It may be gone but it was great while it lasted and is still there for us to enjoy.

401 palomino  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:21:34pm

re: #398 HappyWarrior

Yeah I know. Here's an interesting fact though. He was on the president/vice president ticket more than any other person for the major parties. Five times.
Twice as Ike's running mate, Once when he lost in 1960, and his two wins in 68 and 72. I have a lot that I dislike about him but he intrigues me since he's such a tragic figure to me in some ways.

He would definitely get his own chapter in the Guinness Book of Presidential Records, if such a thing existed. All those campaigns, plus the beginning of impeachment proceedings, followed by resignation.

My Dad loved him. Was about the same age, and cared mostly about two issues: communism and taxes, both of which he hated. So the Nixon of the 60's was his guy. In his study, my Dad had like 10 photos of the Nixon family under the plate glass that covered his desk.

No question Nixon was a political survivor, and he was in the right place at the right time to pick up the pieces after the Goldwater massacre in 1964. Everyone had written him off after that gov loss in 1962, and he managed a comeback. Incredibly skillful pol done in by his own hubris. I think Watergate kinda broke my Dad's heart politically, and he never supported any pol in either party as much afterward.

402 freetoken  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:22:02pm

re: #400 Gus

What strikes me about AITF and M*A*S*H is that both of them attempted to deal with the social changes that had happened in the 1960's. The former was basically a comedy that included dramatic moments, while the latter was a more even mixture of drama and comedy. Still, both tried to deal with the results of the 60's - post Civil Rights Act, and post Vietnam.

I don't know of any broadcast network show that is trying to do something similar today - say, tackle the issues of our society post boom years, post 9/11, post massive wars in Asia - what shows reflect back on what has happened in America after all of this?

403 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:26:18pm

re: #402 freetoken

What strikes me about AITF and M*A*S*H is that both of them attempted to deal with the social changes that had happened in the 1960's. The former was basically a comedy that included dramatic moments, while the latter was a more even mixture of drama and comedy. Still, both tried to deal with the results of the 60's - post Civil Rights Act, and post Vietnam.

I don't know of any broadcast network show that is trying to do something similar today - say, tackle the issues of our society post boom years, post 9/11, post massive wars in Asia - what shows reflect back on what has happened in America after all of this?

I don't think we'll be seeing that king of content on the networks again any time soon. The real action is on cable. The Wire and it's laser-beam focus on our war on drugs comes to mind.

404 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:27:43pm

re: #401 palomino

He would definitely get his own chapter in the Guinness Book of Presidential Records, if such a thing existed. All those campaigns, plus the beginning of impeachment proceedings, followed by resignation.

My Dad loved him. Was about the same age, and cared mostly about two issues: communism and taxes, both of which he hated. So the Nixon of the 60's was his guy. In his study, my Dad had like 10 photos of the Nixon family under the plate glass that covered his desk.

No question Nixon was a political survivor, and he was in the right place at the right time to pick up the pieces after the Goldwater massacre in 1964. Everyone had written him off after that gov loss in 1962, and he managed a comeback. Incredibly skillful pol done in by his own hubris. I think Watergate kinda broke my Dad's heart politically, and he never supported any pol in either party as much afterward.

I think Watergate disillusioned a lot of people even those who didn't like Nixon. Anyhow this makes me wish I had known my Dad's dad since he was born the same year too and was let go during the Nixon transition. He worked at the NLRB from its inception. Later did private practice arbitration though.

405 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:28:26pm

re: #402 freetoken

What strikes me about AITF and M*A*S*H is that both of them attempted to deal with the social changes that had happened in the 1960's. The former was basically a comedy that included dramatic moments, while the latter was a more even mixture of drama and comedy. Still, both tried to deal with the results of the 60's - post Civil Rights Act, and post Vietnam.

I don't know of any broadcast network show that is trying to do something similar today - say, tackle the issues of our society post boom years, post 9/11, post massive wars in Asia - what shows reflect back on what has happened in America after all of this?

True but MASH came in late for Korea and even Vietnam. Now we still get mostly patriotic interpretations with a slight bit of irony. Built around a bunch of actors with porn-star bodies. Or something. Hollywood has become to self-conscious and lost all sense of irony or self-deprecation. They want to do as little as possible without sacrificing the bottom line.

406 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:31:16pm

Battlestar Galactica also was quite blunt in being a response to the post 9/11 mentality.

407 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:31:28pm

It just won't happen. I'm afraid they stuck in some sort of Saturday Night Life mode. We demand a replacement for Johnny Carson year after year.

408 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:31:32pm

Lol, I just got the kill shot against a Borg Command Ship.
In my lolweak ship.
:D

409 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:31:36pm

“The essence of Christianity is told us in the Garden of Eden history. The fruit that was forbidden was on the tree of knowledge. The subtext is, All the suffering you have is because you wanted to find out what was going on. You could be in the Garden of Eden if you had just keep your fucking mouth shut and hadn't asked any questions.”
― Frank Zappa

410 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:33:34pm

re: #408 Varek Raith

Lol, I just got the kill shot against a Borg Command Ship.
In my lolweak ship.
:D

Congrats, I got curb-stomped by one just a couple hours ago. Time to start grinding for better equipment...again.

411 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:33:56pm

re: #409 Gus

“The essence of Christianity is told us in the Garden of Eden history. The fruit that was forbidden was on the tree of knowledge. The subtext is, All the suffering you have is because you wanted to find out what was going on. You could be in the Garden of Eden if you had just keep your fucking mouth shut and hadn't asked any questions.”
― Frank Zappa

That's a real good point that I never thought about.,

412 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:35:29pm

re: #410 Targetpractice

Congrats, I got curb-stomped by one just a couple hours ago. Time to start grinding for better equipment...again.

I got killed three times in the mission alone.
Just got lucky.

413 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:38:07pm

re: #412 Varek Raith

I got killed three times in the mission alone.
Just got lucky.

Yeah, it still surprises me somewhat that, looking back, I survived as well as I did as a rookie. Especially now with my big ship, which seems to have "Shoot here" painted virtually everywhere.

414 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:38:36pm

re: #411 HappyWarrior

That's a real good point that I never thought about.,

It's pretty wild when you think about it. And that's the basis of our life. It really is. Sometimes we're even told to accept our deaths. I laugh though. You have to. We live in a Bronze Age world to this day.

415 freetoken  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:39:07pm

re: #405 Gus

Hollywood has become to self-conscious and lost all since of irony or self-deprecation.

I'll point out that much of broadcast network television isn't really controlled from Hollywood (or even made there), but from the advertising agencies in New York. Content is driven by the ability to generate ad revenue, which has always been true of "free" television (remember all the cigarette adverts from years ago?), and today ad revenue is gotten by selling to late teens and early 20 year olds. The over 45 market is too small to influence much television.

416 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:39:41pm

re: #413 Targetpractice

Yeah, it still surprises me somewhat that, looking back, I survived as well as I did as a rookie. Especially now with my big ship, which seems to have "Shoot here" painted virtually everywhere.

What kind of ship?
So far, I like cruisers and science ships.
Escorts are too much of a glass cannon for my tastes.

417 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:41:05pm

re: #416 Varek Raith

What kind of ship?
So far, I like cruisers and science ships.
Escorts are too much of a glass cannon for my tastes.

One of these.

418 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:42:45pm

re: #417 Targetpractice

One of these.

Yikes, way high tier.

419 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:43:31pm

re: #415 freetoken

I'll point out that much of broadcast network television isn't really controlled from Hollywood (or even made there), but from the advertising agencies in New York. Content is driven by the ability to generate ad revenue, which has always been true of "free" television (remember all the cigarette adverts from years ago?), and today ad revenue is gotten by selling to late teens and early 20 year olds. The over 45 market is too small to influence much television.

Of course there was always NYC for advertising and soap operas. Broadway as well and it remains in place. But there are no Hitchcocks, Serlings, or Roddenberries. We have to accept that fact. Television has past its prime. We used to have poets and painters on TV. That is no longer. Now it's just the latest social trend mogul.

420 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:44:45pm

re: #418 Varek Raith

Yikes, way high tier.

Yeah, I made Vice Admiral a few days back. Stuck to the cruiser tier, since tanking generally is my play-style. Unfortunately, the only other two cruisers at the top tier are both stuck behind pay walls, and I don't get paid til Friday.

421 Gus  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:46:14pm

Almost the pumpkin hour. Good night.

422 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:47:49pm

re: #420 Targetpractice

Yeah, I made Vice Admiral a few days back. Stuck to the cruiser tier, since tanking generally is my play-style. Unfortunately, the only other two cruisers at the top tier are both stuck behind pay walls, and I don't get paid til Friday.

Leaning towards cruisers myself. They seem to have a decent balance and staying power.

423 freetoken  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:48:13pm

re: #419 Gus

Perhaps on some cable networks there is some real creativity going on.

However, the mass media today really does market to too young of a crowd to expect the artistic frontier work, as an adult (with an educated palate) would want.

424 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:51:23pm

re: #422 Varek Raith

Leaning towards cruisers myself. They seem to have a decent balance and staying power.

They do, just don't expect them to turn on a dime. Best strategy I've found is to focus a lot on beam weapons, whatever flavor your prefer, or even using a variety to combine effects.

425 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:52:34pm

re: #424 Targetpractice

They do, just don't expect them to turn on a dime. Best strategy I've found is to focus a lot on beam weapons, whatever flavor your prefer, or even using a variety to combine effects.

Yeah, I got my fill of turning battles in the Starfleet Command series.
I hate that.
:)

426 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 10:55:14pm

re: #425 Varek Raith

Yeah, I got my fill of turning battles in the Starfleet Command series.
I hate that.
:)

It's why I sorta liked the ship before my current one, because it had a more balanced loadout of two torp launchers and two beam arrays fore and aft. Whittle away their shields in the turns, then nose around to put a couple torpedoes in the weakened shields.

427 Flavia  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:03:51pm

re: #327 bubba zanetti

Evidently you've never been kicked in the nuts. There was nothing intelligent about the way those were designed.

I always thought it was to make you guys behave better - as in TRYING TO AVOID JUST THAT!

428 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:30:20pm

March 2:

2nd Single from Nightwish's Imaginaerum is released. "The Crow, the Owl and the Dove."

This has me as excited as Taylor Swift's "Safe and Sound." In, fact this is one of the few bands to get me to go into Fanboy mode. TSwift is another. The other three are Bon Jovi, Tran-Siberian Orchestra, and Queen.

429 freetoken  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:32:45pm
430 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:37:44pm

Let's compare my favorite TSwift song to my favorite Nightwish song:

431 Lidane  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:40:57pm

I just realized tonight that the actor who plays Hershel on The Walking Dead was the lead, along with Robert Blake, in the original version of In Cold Blood.

Yeah. It's one of those nights. I've got a ton of work to do these next two days, so it's time for bed. Later, lizards!

432 Shvaughn  Sun, Feb 26, 2012 11:59:26pm

More from the War on Women, here's something about Pennsylvania's version of the invasive ultrasound bill:
Amadi Writes to her state representative:

On Tuesday, after liveblogging my read-through of Pennsylvania’s HB1077, the bill which would force unwanted endovaginal ultrasounds on most persons seeking an abortion in the state, I sent a scathing email to my state representative, Harry Readshaw, who is a co-sponsor of the bill. To be entirely fair, I dislike my representative a great deal. He’s nominally a democrat, yet he’s entirely anti-choice, he also introduced a copy of the Arizona “papers please” anti-immigrant bill in this legislative session. I don’t know why he calls himself a democrat, but he does, and I hold him accountable.

And he writes back a totally creepy handwritten response.

433 freetoken  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 12:31:37am
434 researchok  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:27:38am

Morning, all

435 researchok  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:34:59am

That's for the real jazz connoisseur- a real slice in time.

436 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:11:37am

It's such an old story, but wow! I wonder where everybody is now.

[Link: www.anusha.com...]

437 Tigger2005  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:14:00am

re: #90 darthstar

Billy who? Crystal? Did they give the Oscars back to him? Jesus they must be desperate.

I don't know why they don't have Neil Patrick Harris do them. I don't know why Neil Patrick Harris isn't host of The Tonight Show. He is a funny guy.

438 Tigger2005  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:33:48am

re: #406 The Right Height

Battlestar Galactica also was quite blunt in being a response to the post 9/11 mentality.

I never liked that aspect of the Battlestar Galactica remake. Please. The Cylons didn't just try to win the war, they tried to completely wipe the human race from existence. I'm sorry, but at THAT point the idea that the humans should or would have any moral qualms about doing what they had to do, or thought they had to do, to save the less than 1% of their population that survived from extinction is kind of unbelievable.

439 Tigger2005  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:46:11am

re: #333 BrainSurfer

And you are... the world's expert? Why, when I provide answers to your questions - which you obviously don't like, you resort to swearing at me and indicate you no longer want to debate.

And you refer to my "derpitude" - oh, that was really really low. I am wounded, wounded deeply. (But I will survive!)

Are you so bitter, or close minded, that you cannot accept a difference of opinion. If you (or anyone else here) can convince me that your facts and theories are the best available, then I am with you. Right now I question everythingre: #298 Gus

Art Horn - to be honest, I had not heard of him until you mentioned him just now.

Questioning "everything" is kind of silly. Curiosity is wonderful, in fact I highly encourage it, but we do actually know a few things for as close to certain as we possibly can. Because of science.

As for "us" trying to convince you that "our" facts and theories are the best available, why exactly is this our job? Why don't you read the acual scientific papers and articles on the subject.

440 Tigger2005  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:52:31am

I don't want to sound like I'm bashing faith or belief or making fun of anyone's grief here, but this line in one of those poems about deceased loved ones that get passed around on Facebook and etc.:

"God broke my heart to prove
to me he only takes the best."

I guess that comforts some people. I have no idea how. Just trying to figure out how it makes any sense in light of the fact that EVERYBODY dies...

441 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:14:02am

re: #440 Tigger2005

Also, if it means "Only the good die young", I know a lot of idiot selfish drunk assholes who died in car crashes in their teens and twenties to prove that one wrong.

442 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:18:29am

re: #436 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

I don't buy for a fucking second that sex with children is actually unthinkable in Albania. I can believe it's unthinkable to actually talk about or to report, though.

Especially in a country where so many kids are just out in the regular workforce.

443 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:19:09am

re: #441 Obdicut

"Only the good die young"

Stoopidest phrase ever.

444 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:23:49am

re: #436 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

It's such an old story, but wow! I wonder where everybody is now.

[Link: www.anusha.com...]

It's possible to have a tragedy without real villains. Your clip is a classical "culture clash" episode. If there is any comfort to be taken, it's that Plano has shown some progress here. Sixty years ago the dad might well have not made it to the courthouse.

'Morning, all.

445 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:25:40am

re: #436 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Yeah. There's no child molestation in Albania.

Just dudes fucking their daughters.

(based on that story)

446 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:31:26am

re: #445 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I can easily believe that this particular father wasn't actually doing anything sexual; various countries have various amounts of comfort with nudity, touching, conversation, etc. about sex with kids. Pedophilia is something that most parents couldn't force themselves to commit.

But the claim that it couldn't be actual sexual abuse because of the cultural background is ridiculous. Quick googling around finds a report from SDSU saying that the authorities admit to 300 cases of child sexual abuse a year, and that an NGO related to protection of children estimates 2000 child prostitutes in Albania.

[Link: www-rohan.sdsu.edu...]

Child abuse, including sexual abuse, rarely is reported, but authorities and NGO's believe that it exists. According to the Ministry of Public Order, more than 300 cases of child sexual abuse were reported in 2000. According to the Center for the Protection of Children's Rights (CRCA), more than 2,000 children between the ages of 13 and 18 are involved in prostitution rings. According to the same organization, a large number of Albanian children (as many as 4,000) work as child prostitutes in Greece, and trafficking in children was a serious problem. Criminals may kidnap children from families or orphanages to be sold to prostitution or pedophilia rings abroad. Child labor continued to be a problem.

447 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:32:25am

re: #446 Obdicut

I can easily believe that this particular father wasn't actually doing anything sexual; various countries have various amounts of comfort with nudity, touching, conversation, etc. about sex with kids. Pedophilia is something that most parents couldn't force themselves to commit.

But the claim that it couldn't be actual sexual abuse because of the cultural background is ridiculous. Quick googling around finds a report from SDSU saying that the authorities admit to 300 cases of child sexual abuse a year, and that an NGO related to protection of children estimates 2000 child prostitutes in Albania.

[Link: www-rohan.sdsu.edu...]

There are no gays in Iran.

448 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:35:35am

re: #445 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah. There's no child molestation in Albania.

Just dudes fucking their daughters.

(based on that story)

And until recently, no homosexuality in in the US Armed Forces...

449 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:40:52am

re: #446 Obdicut

various countries have various amounts of comfort with nudity, touching, conversation, etc. about sex with kids

I think that "hands under a four year-old's dress sexually fondling her" crosses the molestation boundary, without regard to where a person's from.

450 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:42:35am

re: #447 Decatur Deb

The age of consent in Albania is also 14, with no law regarding an appropriate age gap, so that may be part of it. But age of consent in Europe in general is much lower than it is here in the US. Spain's is 13, which always creeps me out. They have some vague thingy that if 'deceit' is used then it's still illegal if the kid is younger than 16, but still.

So I don't think a country that says that 14 year olds are capable of consent can really claim that the idea of sex with, say, a 12 year old is unthinkable.

451 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:45:02am

re: #450 Obdicut

The age of consent in Albania is also 14, with no law regarding an appropriate age gap, so that may be part of it. But age of consent in Europe in general is much lower than it is here in the US. Spain's is 13, which always creeps me out. They have some vague thingy that if 'deceit' is used then it's still illegal if the kid is younger than 16, but still.

So I don't think a country that says that 14 year olds are capable of consent can really claim that the idea of sex with, say, a 12 year old is unthinkable.

In the 60's the age of consent (marriage) in Tennessee was 12. I think NH is now the youngest in the US, with 14 under some conditions. Jerry Lee wasn't illegal, except about that bigamy part. He was also working within the constraints of his sub-culture.

452 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:51:01am

re: #449 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think that "hands under a four year-old's dress sexually fondling her" crosses the molestation boundary, without regard to where a person's from.

Well, except it might not be 'sexual'. Really, unless you're an actual pedophile, the way that biology and psychology works is that you really can't see your kid as a sexual being.

I know it's icky and terrible to us, but some cultures would say that us allowing our children to dress while exposing the amount of skin they do is obvious sign of our sexual interest in our children. I know families in the US where parents and children kiss on the lips and think nothing of it, because obviously, it couldn't be a romantic or sexual thing. There's plenty of room for cultural leeway.

But there are pedophiles in every population, and pretending otherwise is very, very dangerous.

453 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:58:45am

re: #452 Obdicut

Well, except it might not be 'sexual'. Really, unless you're an actual pedophile, the way that biology and psychology works is that you really can't see your kid as a sexual being.

I know it's icky and terrible to us, but some cultures would say that us allowing our children to dress while exposing the amount of skin they do is obvious sign of our sexual interest in our children. I know families in the US where parents and children kiss on the lips and think nothing of it, because obviously, it couldn't be a romantic or sexual thing. There's plenty of room for cultural leeway.

But there are pedophiles in every population, and pretending otherwise is very, very dangerous.

If the anthropologists of the "Culture and Personality" school could validate a couple societies without pedophilia, it would shed some useful light on causes and prevention. Probably not going to happen for a lot of reasons including the maturity of their methods and difficulty of penetrating that far into a culture.

454 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:01:17am

re: #402 freetoken

What strikes me about AITF and M*A*S*H is that both of them attempted to deal with the social changes that had happened in the 1960's. The former was basically a comedy that included dramatic moments, while the latter was a more even mixture of drama and comedy. Still, both tried to deal with the results of the 60's - post Civil Rights Act, and post Vietnam.

I don't know of any broadcast network show that is trying to do something similar today - say, tackle the issues of our society post boom years, post 9/11, post massive wars in Asia - what shows reflect back on what has happened in America after all of this?

A couple of extremely well written and high quality series that are full of social commentary just off the top of my head - The Sopranos and The Wire. Also still in production - Dexter - which has very interesting and well informed post-religious bullshit meditations on the nature of evil.

TV in the UK is where there is a real void of decent social commentary in drama, also everything seems to be really poor quality at the moment. The programme makers seem to think they can demonstrate their commitment to quality broadcasting by putting everyone in Georgian or Victorian costumes every once in a while.

Having said all that I've yet to see Charlie Brookers recent 3 part drama which I have high hopes for.

455 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:04:09am

re: #453 Decatur Deb

I really don't believe it would happen. I think pedophilia can have multiple causes, but don't see how those causes could be absent in a culture. First of all, I think there's an innate component, given the strength of the compulsions, and I also think there are pedophiles for whom it stems from trauma.

The only places I could see it being a possibility is in the very community-oriented and transparent groups like the San, but even then I doubt it doesn't arise, it's probably 'simply' dealt with by banishment, which is itself a death sentence.

456 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:04:41am

re: #454 Jimmah

Misfits is awesome, and has a lot of social commentary in it, though it gets accused of being exploitative as well.

457 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:06:52am

re: #440 Tigger2005

I don't want to sound like I'm bashing faith or belief or making fun of anyone's grief here, but this line in one of those poems about deceased loved ones that get passed around on Facebook and etc.:

"God broke my heart to prove
to me he only takes the best."

I guess that comforts some people. I have no idea how. Just trying to figure out how it makes any sense in light of the fact that EVERYBODY dies...

"God needed another angel...

and, er was too busy to just make one"

458 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:09:12am

re: #455 Obdicut

I really don't believe it would happen. I think pedophilia can have multiple causes, but don't see how those causes could be absent in a culture. First of all, I think there's an innate component, given the strength of the compulsions, and I also think there are pedophiles for whom it stems from trauma.

The only places I could see it being a possibility is in the very tight-knit and family-oriented groups like the San, but even then I doubt it doesn't arise, it's probably 'simply' dealt with by banishment, which is itself a death sentence.

Even if there were such cultures, academic and non-academic realities would negate much chance of establishing it. If his heart was in it, the Texas prosecutor really dropped the ball letting that expert testimony get by.

459 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:10:16am

re: #457 Jimmah

"God needed another angel...

and, er was too busy to just make one"

I've wanted to say, "Right on schedule.".

But, I don't think the bereaved want to hear the truth while in the throes of their bereavement.

460 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:13:04am

re: #454 Jimmah

The Walking Dead.

461 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:16:54am

Morning Lizardim from the cool and cloudy wild north country. It's the calm before the storm up here - quite literally, as we are bracing for Snowmageddon to arrive tomorrow. If only these events could be conveniently aligned to my work schedule, alas. What's new out there in the land of the odd?

462 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:19:47am
463 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:20:21am

re: #461 thedopefishlives

Overnight low was 51f. I think it snowed last year. We pay it back in August.

464 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:21:25am

re: #462 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

People don't seem to understand that NOTHING good happens in a nightclub at 2AM.

Isn't that when the the wicked witch turns into the beautiful maiden?

465 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:21:28am

re: #462 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've had good things happen in nightclubs at 2:00 AM.

Very good things.

466 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:22:50am

re: #11 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Many [topic] deniers I've seen try to present the [topic] as a religion. Wattsupwiththat?

Then it should be protected and tax exempt. Let those scientists get their equipment and buildings to house them tax free, just like other religions.

467 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:23:03am

re: #462 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

People don't seem to understand that NOTHING good happens in a nightclub at 2AM.

I've had a lot of good things happen to me in a club after 2. It's when it starts getting around 4 that it starts to get dicey.

468 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:23:45am

re: #461 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim from the cool and cloudy wild north country. It's the calm before the storm up here - quite literally, as we are bracing for Snowmageddon to arrive tomorrow. If only these events could be conveniently aligned to my work schedule, alas. What's new out there in the land of the odd?

Hey fishie-- hope the snow isn't too bad! Hello from the land of wind and rain.

469 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:25:34am

re: #459 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've wanted to say, "Right on schedule.".

But, I don't think the bereaved want to hear the truth while in the throes of their bereavement.

Recommended movie - Rabbit Hole. Great performance by Nicole Kidman.

470 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:26:02am

re: #468 Klaatu barada nikto

Hey fishie-- hope the snow isn't too bad! Hello from the land of wind and rain.

Good morning, {ice}. Hope things are well across the pond. The snow is going to be that bad - the current figure being bandied about is 12-15 in. Needless to say, I'm currently writing an email to inform my cow-orkers that I will be working from home starting tomorrow afternoon so that I do not actually have to try to navigate the snowpocalypse. It's not that I'm afraid of driving in snow - it's that I'm afraid of everybody ELSE trying to drive in snow.

471 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:26:52am

re: #461 thedopefishlives

What's new out there in the land of the odd?

I had a dream where I was feuding with a Russian gangster and managed to foil him by advertising a rave on his yacht, during the confusion of which I slipped into his private rooms and stole all his passports and, for some reason, a whole bunch of Transformers figurines.

472 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:27:02am

re: #470 thedopefishlives

Good morning, {ice}. Hope things are well across the pond. The snow is going to be that bad - the current figure being bandied about is 12-15 in. Needless to say, I'm currently writing an email to inform my cow-orkers that I will be working from home starting tomorrow afternoon so that I do not actually have to try to navigate the snowpocalypse. It's not that I'm afraid of driving in snow - it's that I'm afraid of everybody ELSE trying to drive in snow.

Very wise. I'm glad you have the option of staying home!

473 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:31:13am

re: #465 Obdicut

I've had good things happen in nightclubs at 2:00 AM.

Very good things.

Those types of things should not happen in a nightclub. Unless you're in Amsterdam...

474 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:32:38am

re: #471 Obdicut

I had a dream where I was feuding with a Russian gangster and managed to foil him by advertising a rave on his yacht, during the confusion of which I slipped into his private rooms and stole all his passports and, for some reason, a whole bunch of Transformers figurines.

Hey, if those are originals, they could possibly fetch a fair price at auction, y'know.

475 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:33:08am

re: #34 Gus

Santorum: "CO2 is a pollutant? Tell that to the plants."
— daveweigel (@daveweigel) February 27, 2012

Sure thing Ricky. Now tie a plastic bag around your head and talk to me in 20 minutes (if you can). See how that CO2 rich environment treats ya. Plants also like a lot of phosphorus and nitrogen, you having a couple good portions of that for dinner tonight as well.

476 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:33:40am

re: #474 thedopefishlives

Hey, if those are originals, they could possibly fetch a fair price at auction, y'know.

I guess my dream-self is smarter than he looks.

477 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:33:44am

re: #467 RogueOne

I've had a lot of good things happen to me in a club after 2. It's when it starts getting around 4 that it starts to get dicey.

If you've never seen this? I highly recommend it.

478 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:36:48am

re: #476 Obdicut

I guess my dream-self is smarter than he looks.

Our dream selves usually are. Which then leads to the question, what kind of things does the dream-self of the smartest person on Earth do?

479 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:36:48am

re: #60 BrainSurfer

Well, here I am enjoying the Oscars, and wondering how AGW got in to thread, when, bam, Charles makes the sweeping statement regarding the "entire" scientific community. Simply ain't so.

Open thread dooshnozzle.

480 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:37:36am

re: #479 RayFerd

Open thread dooshnozzle.

That reminds me, I need to replace my sink's faucet.

481 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:40:13am

re: #480 Obdicut

That reminds me, I need to replace my sink's faucet.

don't use a douchenozzle, those things spray everywhere.

482 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:43:37am

Good morning Lizards.

Cool (just above freezing) and currently clear here in Philadelphia.

The Feline Overlord expresses distress that a Lizard would advocate extra comforters for bed warming instead of consideration to applying a Feline Overlord factor. Names have been taken.

And I see that many and a troll had fun. I'm sure the troll will be back since it could be considered a successful foray from their point of view.

And I ignored the Oscars last night in favor of reading up on various items in consideration of organizing a RPG campaign to play at the favored FLGS*.

FLGS = Friendly Local Game Shop

483 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:48:41am

re: #149 BrainSurfer

Here I am just trying to enjoy the Oscars (nice acrobatics just now), and I end up in the midst of an Inquisition. But I'll play.

...snip.

No one expects the Lizard Inquisition.

484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:51:36am

re: #483 Decatur Deb

I rarely down-ding... but really hate to down-ding someone who averages over -8 per post.

They pleasure themselves to the dulcet tones of the down-dinging.

485 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:54:40am

re: #484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I rarely down-ding... but really hate to down-ding someone who averages over -8 per post.

They pleasure themselves to the dulcet tones of the down-dinging.

I just scroll past for the most part.

Especially once it was clear that the troll was playing stupid simply to draw responses and insults. A mindset I don't think is worth supporting and wasting time interacting with. Others think differently obviously, and I support Lizards having a wide array of interests in order to make a vibrant community.

486 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:54:52am

re: #124 BongCrodny

Good luck.

I got called a few years back; they drew my number and I was assigned with other potential jurors to a DWI case.

As soon as the defense attorney found out that I've never had a driver's license, I was dismissed so fast it was like "Whoa...what just happened there?"

My one time called and picked to sit in the potential juror candidate seat, I was dismissed because the judge and I had known each other since childhood (his father is my god father). Sometimes it is who you know.

487 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:55:20am

re: #484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There was a guy who would come around to the bars up in Belmont when I was a 'doorman' at one of them. He was 86ed from all of them for trying to start fights and generally being a jerk. He'd still come by, every weekend, and try to get in, and, depending on how drunk he was, would have to have the cops called, by physically restrained, whatever. It appears what he wanted was to be led away in handcuffs while screaming about the injustice of the world.

Didn't mean the cops should have stopped arresting him. Not sure what could be done as a permanent solution; the asshole never swung first.

I suggested the bar take out restraining orders against him, but that was rejected as 'pussified'.

488 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:55:38am

Finally, a political sex tape that doesn't involve a pasty old white dude in his whitey-tighties. I approve....

Sex-tape stunner in Nadia Lockyer case
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

The man, a construction worker, says his relationship with Nadia Lockyer has lasted more than a year, beginning when the two met at a Kaiser outpatient rehab program in 2010. Sources say she was enrolled for abusing alcohol and he for meth addiction.

Rehab love, It almost reads like a romance novel.

Image: 1329259415-nadia_lockyer.jpeg

489 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:55:47am

re: #484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I rarely down-ding... but really hate to down-ding someone who averages over -8 per post.

They pleasure themselves to the dulcet tones of the down-dinging.

Even though I know they don't care and sometimes even enjoy it, I still sometimes find it therapeutic to indulge in a good round of whack-a-troll.

490 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:56:16am

re: #485 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I think there's a benefit in showing the fallacy of bad arguments, no matter how often they're brought up. That way, anyone reading who doesn't know the right of things can see each side play out and come to their own rational decision.

491 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:57:18am

re: #11 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Many [topic] deniers I've seen try to present the [topic] as a religion. Wattsupwiththat?

Some people are too dense or poorly educated to understand the difference between science and religion, between religious scriptures and a science textbook, or between a scientific theory and a religious dogma.

492 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:58:45am

re: #488 RogueOne

She has crazy eyes though.

493 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:05:15am

re: #492 Obdicut

She has crazy eyes though.

I'll have to see the tape before I make a final determination. Where's Anon when you really need them? Messing around with Stratfor like anyone really gives a damn.

494 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:05:36am

Morning dog stuff--BBL

495 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:06:14am

re: #493 RogueOne

Watching methheads fuck? No thanks. Sounds like a punishment.

496 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:07:06am

re: #495 Obdicut

Watching methheads fuck? No thanks. Sounds like a punishment.

or the kind of thing you can find on free downloads in the Internet...

497 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:11:11am

re: #487 Obdicut

"They hurled me out of that night club, and then they decided to square off with me in the parking lot. But I backed down 'cause I didn't know how many of them it was going to take to whip my ass, but I knew how many they were going to use. That's a handy piece of information to have, right there.

"The cops were called 'cause we broke a chair on the way out and I refused to pay for it. I refused to pay for it because we broke it over my thigh. At that point I had the right to remain silent — but I didn't have the ability. The cop was like, "Mr. White, you are being charged with drunk... in... public!" I was like, "Hey! I was drunk in a bar. They threw me into public. I don't want to be drunk in public, I want to be drunk in a bar, which is perfectly legal... arrest them!"

-Ron White

498 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:16:39am

There is a school in the DC area called University of Maryland University College. What the hell does that even mean?!?!

Also, Good Morning Honcos!!

499 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:18:28am

re: #498 Son You got a panty on your head.

It means you're in dutch with the wife.

500 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:19:01am

re: #498 Son You got a panty on your head.

There is a school in the DC area called University of Maryland University College. What the hell does that even mean?!?!

Also, Good Morning Honcos!!

a college is a part of a university. and this particular university has a college in it with the name "University College".

501 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:19:17am

re: #498 Son You got a panty on your head.

There is a school in the DC area called University of Maryland University College. What the hell does that even mean?!?!

Also, Good Morning Honcos!!

[dept.of.silly.names.gif]

I actually GIS that phrase and it came back with:
Image: funny-traffic-signs-police-lazy-lane.jpg

502 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:19:28am

re: #210 Grumpy, Not Sneezy

Most large climate variance is caused by Milankovitch Cycles. The last glaciation and the current inter-glaciation are the result of those cycles. According to the current trend in Milankovitch cycles, we should be cooling and heading toward a glacial period in 10,000 years or so. The warming we've seen is in spite of the known warming forcings like increased sun output and the change in Earth's precession.

There it is in a nut shell. In the 60's and into the 70's in school science I was told we were on the cycle to another possible mini ice age (a cooling time in the cycle). But human interaction with fossil fuels has halted this cycle and TURNED IT AROUND.

503 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:20:02am

re: #498 Son You got a panty on your head.

There is a school in the DC area called University of Maryland University College. What the hell does that even mean?!?!

Also, Good Morning Honcos!!

More word salady than "Indiana University of Pennsylvania".

;)

In this case:
UMUC is a college in the traditional American sense of the word, albeit one associated with a university—hence, "University College." The "University of Maryland" prefix indicates the historical entity to which the college belonged originally. In the university's name, "University College" represents "the specialized concentration on professional development," while "University of Maryland" represents the affiliation of the university with the University System of Maryland.[8] To American ears, the words "university" and "college" may sound synonymous, and "University College" would be redundant in its name. Among the collegiate universities of Europe, however, the practice of giving one college in the university the name "University College" is not uncommon. In England, for example, one of the 39 colleges of the University of Oxford is called University College.

504 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:22:29am

re: #499 Obdicut

It means you're in dutch with the wife.

Prison life's structured, more than some folks care for.

505 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:25:03am

re: #504 Beatings will continue until morale improves

I think the Coens account for about 90% of the quotes my brothers and I toss at each other.

Did you see clip of my brother on the Discovery channel? He was hittin' em with some very Coen-esque humor.


Wolf Research: 'It is incredibly claustrophobic and some people don't care for it'

506 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:25:41am

re: #504 Beatings will continue until morale improves

Nice Avatar pic.

507 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:29:07am

re: #506 RogueOne

Nice Avatar pic.

Not mine or my squadron, but I've seen that view a time or two.

508 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:29:38am

re: #507 Beatings will continue until morale improves

Not mine or my squadron, but I've seen that view a time or two.

At which point you drop water balloons.

509 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:29:55am

re: #507 Beatings will continue until morale improves

Not mine or my squadron, but I've seen that view a time or two.

That's a view I don't think anyone would forget in a hurry.

510 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:29:57am

re: #505 Obdicut

I think the Coens account for about 90% of the quotes my brothers and I toss at each other.

Did you see clip of my brother on the Discovery channel? He was hittin' em with some very Coen-esque humor.

Wolf Research: 'It is incredibly claustrophobic and some people don't care for it'

You're not so special, my brother has been on "Cops"...///

511 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:31:36am

re: #508 Varek Raith

At which point you drop water balloons.

Only if you want to hit a target far ahead or behind of it. Ballistics, man!

Image: projectile-range.gif

512 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:31:56am

re: #497 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

513 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:34:15am

re: #507 Beatings will continue until morale improves

Not mine or my squadron, but I've seen that view a time or two.

Is that the Roosevelt?

514 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:34:45am

re: #508 Varek Raith

At which point you drop water balloons.

Things I have dropped from my helicopter
torpedo
sonobouy
smoke markers (normally from a couple hundred feet, we dropped one from 10,000 feet and it still lit!)
orange
bag of pee pee
roll of toilet paper

Oh the things you do when you are bored...

515 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:35:44am

re: #511 Obdicut

Only if you want to hit a target far ahead or behind of it. Ballistics, man!

Image: projectile-range.gif

New Testament ballistics:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

516 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:37:59am

Off to class. Enjoy the day!

518 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:46:51am

Just going to fan the flames of revolution before I go out by posting this song. I expect World Socialism to be in place by the time we get back ;-)

519 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:50:29am

re: #517 Varek Raith

Four students were wounded in today's shooting at Chardon High School in Ohio, the FBI says. The gunman is in custody.

I'll have to check my one cousin's Facebook page about this later today. They live in that area (east of Cleveland). However, their children are already out of high school and in or past college.

I presume some sort of local freakout is already underway.

520 bubba zanetti  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:50:47am

re: #482 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

The Feline Overlord expresses distress that a Lizard would advocate extra comforters for bed warming instead of consideration to applying a Feline Overlord factor. Names have been taken.

The dogs are already hogging the bed.

521 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:54:05am

re: #520 bubba zanetti

The dogs are already hogging the bed.

Ooo, a dogist heretic as well.

522 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:58:20am

re: #518 Jimmah

Just going to fan the flames of revolution before I go out by posting this song. I expect World Socialism to be in place by the time we get back.

[Embedded content]

I regret to inform you that Scottish World Socialism has failed due to a shortage of oatmeal and decent stout.

A failure to win Wimbledon has also been noted.

523 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:06:54am

re: #442 Obdicut

Oh, sure. But I don't expect a newspaper to get all the nuances of an anthropological testimony right. The thing is, he was acquitted. I guess a state could make an argument that it would be better for the children to stay with the new parents, although this is still dicey, but I would certainly expect some sort of a 7-8 digit settlement to go with it.

524 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:07:47am
525 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:11:05am

re: #327 bubba zanetti

Evidently you've never been kicked in the nuts. There was nothing intelligent about the way those were designed.

Exactly. What intelligent designer creates something as integral to the expansion/survival of the species outside the body (because "it" intelligently designed sperm to be produced at a different, lower temperature than the core temp of the animal producing it) in harms way? Even most of those stupid scientists design things better than that (can't say the same for some car designers, but what can you do).

526 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:14:09am

Morning.

ICYMI

Wyoming Wants Their Own Currency, a Draft, and a Freaking Aircraft Carrier In case of Doomsday

Breaking news: Politicians in Wyoming have way too much time on their hands. Having run out of things to whittle, State Rep. David Miller, R-Riverton, has introduced House Bill 85, which calls for a whole list of batshit crazy things.

527 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:16:00am

re: #523 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Yes, absolutely. Especially since it's the majority culture taking away ethnic immigrant children, which has just a terrible history.

528 bubba zanetti  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:17:32am

re: #525 RayFerd

What intelligent designer creates something as integral to the expansion/survival of the species outside the body (because "it" intelligently designed sperm to be produced at a different, lower temperature than the core temp of the animal producing it) in harms way?

But yet gets it right for the other sex.

And puts the testicles inside the body initially.

529 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:19:18am

re: #528 bubba zanetti

But yet gets it right for the other sex.

And puts the testicles inside the body initially.

And anytime you swim in the Great Lakes between October and May!

530 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:19:44am

re: #526 Gus

Morning.

ICYMI

Wyoming Wants Their Own Currency, a Draft, and a Freaking Aircraft Carrier In case of Doomsday

I'm curious about the aircraft carrier part. It's extemely illogical due to Wyoming's geography. A little brainstorming implies that it might have one of the following explanations:
1. Copy paste error from some sort of ALEC-type document.
2. Adding an aircraft carrier gives some benefit to a political contributor
3. The submitter is batshit insane
4. It's a budget item to hide the costs of building the ICBM silos and protective laser batteries into the top of Devil's Tower.

531 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:19:53am

re: #527 Obdicut

There are a lot of traditions that Western-minded people rightly perceive as icky around the world. As long as they're not immediately harmful (like FGM) they should be phased out through education, not simply throwing people in prison and taking away the kids. But what the heck, that's easier!

532 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:20:12am

STATE OF WYOMING 12LSO-0044 (PDF)
1 HB0085
HOUSE BILL NO. HB0085
Government continuity.
Sponsored by: Representative(s) Miller, Burkhart, Davison,
Edmonds, Jaggi, Kroeker, McKim, Peasley,
Quarberg and Teeters and Senator(s) Jennings
and Peterson

AN ACT relating to governmental studies; providing for a task force to study governmental continuity in case of a disruption in federal government operations; providing for a report; providing appropriations; and providing for an effective date.

also from digest:

"(vii) Conditions under which the state of Wyoming should implement a draft, raise a standing army, marine corps, navy and air force and acquire strike aircraft and an aircraft carrier.". BROWN
2/24/2012 H Passed CoW

533 iossarian  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:20:47am

re: #524 Varek Raith

Heh!

[Embedded content]

Vote for me and I will give you money!

MONEY!

MONNNNEEEEEYYYYY!!!!!!!!

534 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:21:27am

re: #530 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I'm curious about the aircraft carrier part. It's extemely illogical due to Wyoming's geography. A little brainstorming implies that it might have one of the following explanations:
1. Copy paste error from some sort of ALEC-type document.
2. Adding an aircraft carrier gives some benefit to a political contributor
3. The submitter is batshit insane
4. It's a budget item to hide the costs of building the ICBM silos and protective laser batteries into the top of Devil's Tower.

The aircraft carrier is meant to be a weaponized Noah's Ark for them to float away on if global warming should cause the continent to be submerged. Remember, this is Wyoming, there's only 10 of them.

535 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:22:11am

re: #530 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I'm curious about the aircraft carrier part. It's extemely illogical due to Wyoming's geography. A little brainstorming implies that it might have one of the following explanations:
1. Copy paste error from some sort of ALEC-type document.
2. Adding an aircraft carrier gives some benefit to a political contributor
3. The submitter is batshit insane
4. It's a budget item to hide the costs of building the ICBM silos and protective laser batteries into the top of Devil's Tower.

#3. But it's plural, "the submitters are batshit insane."

Needless to say the wingnuts are just wild about this idea. Was just looking at the comments in Big Government.

Another day, another derp.

536 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:22:23am

re: #530 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I'm curious about the aircraft carrier part. It's extemely illogical due to Wyoming's geography

Hey,, you never know when Utah may attack through the Flaming Gorge National Rec Area!!!

537 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:23:10am

re: #531 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

I agree. What I went off on was a tangent, but, I feel, a very important one. The article's careless language, to me, presented a bad case for the man, since it asserted that Albania is free of child sexual abuse, something which is not true. The cultural differences in touch is a perfectly sound defense of the man-- obviously, since he was released in its context-- but I felt the article dangerously presented it in a highly fallible way.

538 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:23:41am

"In case of emergency pull chord."

Hmmm. Maybe they can build an inflatable aircraft carrier.

//

539 iossarian  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:24:20am

Hey, everyone, wouldn't you like to have Monday off work?

How about EVERY MONDAY OFF WORK???

If that sounds like your idea of a good time, then Iossarian should be your presidential candidate.

540 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:24:47am

re: #537 Obdicut

It reminded me of an article linked to here last year about some tribe that doesn't know the practice of homosexuality. Also seems kinda doubtful.

541 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:26:22am

re: #540 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

It reminded me of an article linked to here last year about some tribe that doesn't know the practice of homosexuality. Also seems kinda doubtful.

Iran!?!?!

//
(well,, according to DinneJacket!!)

542 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:26:54am

re: #536 sattv4u2

I'm curious about the aircraft carrier part. It's extemely illogical due to Wyoming's geography

Hey,, you never know when Utah may attack through the Flaming Gorge National Rec Area!!!

I just get the image from the scene from "Secondhand Lions" where there is a large yacht moored out in the pond/lake.

543 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:26:54am

re: #541 sattv4u2

Iran!?!?!

//
(well,, according to DinneJacket!!)

LOL. No, I mean alleged natural absence, not artificial ;)

544 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:27:36am

re: #540 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

It's remotely possible, I'd say, but only in an incredibly genetically isolated tribe continually living in the same environment. The research done on the influence of natal environment on homosexuality means you could have some corner case where the fetus-female interaction could just never chemically work out to a viable homosexual baby, but it'd take a whole lot of genetic coincidences. I really doubt it too.

545 iossarian  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:27:36am

re: #540 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

It reminded me of an article linked to here last year about some tribe that doesn't know the practice of homosexuality. Also seems kinda doubtful.

It's possibly a semantics thing. I think it's fairly standard nowadays to state that, for example, the Ancient Greeks didn't have the concept of "homosexuality" that we have today, which (obviously) doesn't mean that they didn't have man/man sexual relationships.

546 iossarian  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:32:16am

I heard a pretty cool sermon* recently about sexuality in ancient times, which started from the notion that the Wise Men were gay ("The Three Queens").

The whole thing was very enlightening, but I must confess that I most enjoyed the idea of fundy head asplosions as I nonchalantly introduce the subplot of loving gay relationships into the story of Christmas.

* Actually a kind of cross between an academic talk and a sermon.

547 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:35:52am

re: #545 iossarian

Damn, I can't find it now, but IIRC it wasn't about the semantics. As for semantics, same-sex rape in prisons is an even closer analogy.

548 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:41:02am

Ah, there it is.

[Link: www.slate.com...]

549 iossarian  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:47:08am

re: #548 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Ah, there it is.

[Link: www.slate.com...]

Very interesting - thanks for sharing that!

551 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:48:58am

re: #550 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

MY BABY GIRL IS MARRIED!

Congrats!

552 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:49:53am

re: #551 NJDhockeyfan

Congrats!

Oh, congrats to Alouette!

553 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:50:03am

re: #551 NJDhockeyfan

Not mine, I'm just promoting Alouette's page so that it doesn't get lost.

554 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:50:23am

re: #552 NJDhockeyfan

Oh, congrats to Alouette!

Not enough coffee yet?

555 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:53:56am

re: #553 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Not mine, I'm just promoting Alouette's page so that it doesn't get lost.

You getting a commission?
/

556 BongCrodny  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:55:00am

re: #532 Gus

STATE OF WYOMING 12LSO-0044 (PDF)
1 HB0085
HOUSE BILL NO. HB0085
BROWN
2/24/2012 H Passed CoW

This is one awesome bill:

(a) There is created a government continuity task force consisting of the following members:
(i) Two (2) senators appointed by the president of the senate;
(ii) Two (2) representatives appointed by the speaker of the house;

and...

Members of the task force who are legislators shall be paid salary, per diem and mileage as provided in W.S. 28-5-101 for their official duties as members of the task force. Members of the task force who are state employees shall not be paid any additional salary for their official duties as members of the task force.

There is appropriated from the general fund:
(i) Eighteen thousand dollars ($18,000.00) to the legislative service office for purposes of this act and payment of salary, per diem and mileage for legislative task force members;

I will note without further comment that there are 50 Republicans in the Wyoming House and 10 Democrats.

On second thought, fuck that. 43 of the 50 Republicans in the Wyoming House voted for this piece of nonsense, and all 10 Democrats voted against it.

Republicans are easily just as stupid, corrupt and wasteful as Democrats, except with Republicans you get the additional benefit of them being social throwbacks.

557 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:56:17am

re: #556 BongCrodny

Ah, Republicans. Just when we're wondering if they can sink any lower, here comes a round of derp that is refreshingly different, albeit even more stupid than the last.

558 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:57:57am

re: #554 sattv4u2

Not enough coffee yet?

In what world can you drink enough coffee?

559 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:58:32am

re: #558 Flaming Dumpster

In what world can you drink enough coffee?

I don't drink coffee, so I guess it means that's enough for me.

560 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:00:11am

re: #559 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

I don't drink coffee, so I guess it means that's enough for me.

If you don't drink coffee, how can you claim to be fully awake?

561 BongCrodny  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:00:19am

re: #557 thedopefishlives

Ah, Republicans. Just when we're wondering if they can sink any lower, here comes a round of derp that is refreshingly different, albeit even more stupid than the last.

These guys are each getting an extra $4,500 in their pocket to investigate the need for an aircraft carrier in Wyoming?

What. The. Fuck.

562 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:00:23am

re: #554 sattv4u2

Not enough coffee yet?

1/2 cup. Need more.

563 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:00:37am

re: #560 Flaming Dumpster

If you don't drink coffee, how can you claim to be fully awake alive?

ftfy

564 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:01:04am

re: #560 Flaming Dumpster

If you don't drink coffee, how can you claim to be fully awake?

I derive my caffeine from an alternate source. Something with a lot more sugar and a lot less bile.

565 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:01:19am

re: #562 NJDhockeyfan

1/2 cup. Need more.

1/2 CUP!!!

Hell,,,, I measure my daily consumption by the URN!

566 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:01:21am

re: #560 Flaming Dumpster

If you don't drink coffee, how can you claim to be fully awake?

Are you implying I'm in a permanent semi-coma? That would explain things.../

567 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:01:28am

re: #561 BongCrodny

These guys are each getting an extra $4,500 in their pocket to investigate the need for an aircraft carrier in Wyoming?

What. The. Fuck.

And the people doing the actual work get paid nothing extra.

Is this the modern RW in action?

568 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:02:15am

re: #566 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Are you implying I'm in a permanent semi-coma? That would explain things.../

:)

569 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:02:37am

re: #565 sattv4u2

1/2 CUP!!!

Hell,,, I measure my daily consumption by the URN!

What's a sattv4u2 urn?

570 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:02:43am

Hey Sergey, under communism, did the party leaders and suchlike live in a lot of lavish comfort?

571 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:02:57am

re: #568 sattv4u2

:)

Then who is writing all these things? Charles?

572 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:03:02am

re: #561 BongCrodny

These guys are each getting an extra $4,500 in their pocket to investigate the need for an aircraft carrier in Wyoming?

What. The. Fuck.

There's always Jackson Lake or Yellowstone Lake!

//

573 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:03:36am

re: #569 Flaming Dumpster

What's a sattv4u2 urn?

Bout a buckthreesixty

574 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:03:40am

re: #569 Flaming Dumpster

What's a sattv4u2 urn?

Image: DSC05875.JPG

575 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:04:01am

re: #574 NJDhockeyfan

404 not found.

576 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:04:35am

re: #571 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Then who is writing all these things? Charles?


I see NOTHING!!!
Image: 31MRscQCCGL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

577 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:04:48am
578 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:05:43am

re: #575 thedopefishlives

404 not found.

Sattv4u2 urn

579 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:06:05am

re: #570 Obdicut

Hey Sergey, under communism, did the party leaders and suchlike live in a lot of lavish comfort?

Maybe relative to the general population. I guess it was more of, they could readily get things others either couldn't get or could get with difficulty.

580 BongCrodny  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:06:17am

re: #572 Gus

There's always Jackson Lake or Yellowstone Lake!

//

Perhaps they need an aircraft carrier to protect the state's residents against the swarms of immigrants coming in from Idaho, Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska, Colorado and Utah?

581 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:06:36am

re: #578 NJDhockeyfan

Sattv4u2 urn

This thread is now over.

582 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:07:12am

re: #574 NJDhockeyfan

Image: DSC05875.JPG

404. That’s an error.

The requested URL /_-i1w02XxZTY/TFYlp0D9m2I/AAADPE/48pK96jck5U/s1600/DSC05875.JPG was not found on this server. That’s all we know.

583 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:07:16am

re: #579 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Maybe relative to the general population. I guess it was more of, they could readily get things others either couldn't get or could get with difficulty.

Interesting. Anyway, this just always reminds me of how cheap our politicians are. They're really a bargain. It doesn't take that money to buy one.

584 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:07:24am

re: #581 thedopefishlives

This thread is now over.

It can't be

I just made another pot of coffee!!

585 BongCrodny  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:07:24am

re: #578 NJDhockeyfan

Sattv4u2 urn

Not big enough.

586 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:08:10am

re: #585 BongCrodny

Not big enough.

Hear that a lot, do ya?

587 darthstar  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:08:23am

Facebook thread - I think I may have lost some friends just now:

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588 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:08:35am

re: #577 Gus

Splodey heads.

Homecoming Photo Of Gay Marine Kissing Boyfriend Goes Viral

I looked at the photo and started laughing my head off. They look bloody happy to me.

589 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:09:03am

re: #561 BongCrodny

These guys are each getting an extra $4,500 in their pocket to investigate the need for an aircraft carrier in Wyoming?

What. The. Fuck.

Someone has to patrol Lake Yellowstone - so why not with an aircraft carrier. /

590 BongCrodny  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:09:10am

re: #586 sattv4u2

Hear that a lot, do ya?

Actually, no -- but not for any *good* reasons.

591 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:09:11am

re: #587 darthstar

Your comment at the end had me rolling on the floor laughing. I love you.

592 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:09:28am

re: #578 NJDhockeyfan

Sattv4u2 urn

That should last Satt the morning.

593 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:10:38am

re: #592 Flaming Dumpster

That should last Satt the morning commute.

594 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:11:09am

5 people injured at school shooting in Ohio. Suspect is apparently in custody.

The shooting occurred at the cafeteria of Chardon High School around 7:45 a.m. Chardon Local schools Community Coordinator Ellen Ondrey said the district is in "crisis mode." Bus runs for elementary schools have stopped, all classes for the district have been canceled, arrangements to get middle and high school students home are being arranged, the Chardon Police Department remains at the scene and that the school remains on lockdown.

A parent of a student in the cafeteria told Cleveland's WJW-TV his child heard five shots. CNN reports a teacher chased the suspect out of the cafeteria and that law enforcement officials captured the suspect walking down a road near the school. The wounded students were from another school in nearby Auburn waiting for a bus when they were shot.

595 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:11:36am

And on that note,,,,, chores

596 darthstar  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:11:37am

re: #591 thedopefishlives

Your comment at the end had me rolling on the floor laughing. I love you.

I figured what the fuck...I'm up for a flame war...would rather not have these people on my page going into the elections anyway.

597 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:11:51am

re: #580 BongCrodny

Perhaps they need an aircraft carrier to protect the state's residents against the swarms of immigrants coming in from Idaho, Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska, Colorado and Utah?

What are they going to use as an Aircraft Carrier carrier when it needs to get to N.Korea?

Not an European Swallow I hope.

598 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:12:53am

re: #596 darthstar

I figured what the fuck...I'm up for a flame war...would rather not have these people on my page going into the elections anyway.

I can just imagine the stunned, what-the-hell-just-happened looks on their faces when they read it. Followed, of course, by the righteous indignation. Believe me, I get this a lot whenever politics comes up in my family. I try to avoid dropping nuclear bombs on the conversation, though.

599 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:13:29am

re: #577 Gus

Maybe a wrong comparison, but my thought: David kissing Goliath ;)

600 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:14:35am

re: #599 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Maybe a wrong comparison, but my thought: David kissing Goliath ;)

Pretty much. That one guy is huge.

601 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:15:05am

OK. Off to take care of a task. Wish me luck. BBL

602 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:15:10am

re: #586 sattv4u2

Hear that a lot, do ya?

Only when I look in the mirror.

Or the neighbours see me naked.

Or the wife needs some attention.

The cats just sit and laugh.

603 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:15:39am

re: #600 Gus

OK, now I just have to go and get a 5-min hate from freep ;)

604 darthstar  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:17:30am

re: #598 thedopefishlives

I can just imagine the stunned, what-the-hell-just-happened looks on their faces when they read it. Followed, of course, by the righteous indignation. Believe me, I get this a lot whenever politics comes up in my family. I try to avoid dropping nuclear bombs on the conversation, though.

They'll ignore it, most likely. One of my ex-FB friends (I insulted Jesus one too many times for him) is active on this woman's posts...I expect he'll advise her on how to 86 me from her feed.

605 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:17:52am

re: #577 Gus

Splodey heads.

Homecoming Photo Of Gay Marine Kissing Boyfriend Goes Viral

Those guys look like they can hold their own against any assholes that come after them. I wouldn't want them mad at me.

606 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:19:03am

re: #603 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Strangely enough, there's nothing yet. Hands must be busy. /

607 BongCrodny  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:24:14am

I don't often stop by Sullivan's place any more, but I do like this quote he found:

"Six months before this thing got going, every Republican I know was saying, ‘We’re gonna win, we’re gonna beat Obama.’ Now even those who’ve endorsed Romney say, ‘My God, what a fucking mess,'" - Ed Rollins, GOP apparatchik.

608 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:24:24am
609 blueraven  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:24:33am

re: #594 lawhawk

5 people injured at school shooting in Ohio. Suspect is apparently in custody.

Déjà vu all over again. I sure hope all the kids are OK.

Why does this keep happening?

610 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:24:49am

Oh, WHAT THE FUCK?!

[Link: www.afa.net...]

So which version of America would you rather live in?

America 1950 vs. America 2012 - you make the call....

In 1950, a gallon of gasoline cost about 27 cents.

In 2012, a gallon of gasoline costs $3.69.

In 1950, you could buy a first-class stamp for just 3 cents.

In 2012, a first-class stamp will cost you 45 cents.

In 1950, more than 80 percent of all men were employed.

In 2012, less than 65 percent of all men are employed.

In 1950, the average duration of unemployment was about 12 weeks.

In 2012, the average duration of unemployment is about 40 weeks.

In 1950, the average family spent about 22% of its income on housing.

In 2012, the average family spends about 43% of its income on housing.

In 1950, gum chewing and talking in class were some of the major disciplinary problems in our schools.

In 2012, many of our public schools have been equipped with metal detectors because violence has become so bad.

In 1950, mothers decided what their children would eat for lunch.

In 2012, lunches are inspected by government control freaks to make sure that they contain the "correct foods" in many areas of the country. For example, one 4-year-old girl recently had her lunch confiscated by a "lunch monitor" because it did not meet USDA guidelines....

And so it goes on and on.

611 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:26:22am

re: #610 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Translation:

1950s: Blacks know their place.

612 darthstar  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:26:35am

Hey Mitt...this looks worse in print than it did when you were being a condescending prick to your supporters:

But the crowd initially booed Mr. Romney, who occasionally struck a discordant note, as when he approached a group of fans wearing plastic ponchos. “I like those fancy raincoats you bought,” he said. “Really sprung for the big bucks.”

For Pete's sake, I'm running for office! Do you have to wear garbage bags around me?

613 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:26:48am

re: #610 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Oh, WHAT THE FUCK?!

[Link: www.afa.net...]

And so it goes on and on.

Yeah, fuck that.
Always forward, I says.

614 Kronocide  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:26:55am

Let's go back to the 50's!

615 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:27:07am

re: #611 Obdicut

Translation:

1950s: Blacks/Women/Gays/etc know their place.

Politely fixed.

616 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:27:40am

These assholes wouldn't really be satisfied with the 1950s. That was post-WWII, and women were in the workforce in much larger numbers than before, and many were disgruntled after being forced out of it, knowing they could do those jobs.

They want something before that.

617 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:27:46am

re: #611 Obdicut

And wenches. And homos.

I mean, they even say:

Of course there were a lot of things that were not great about America back in 1950, and there are many things that many of us dearly love that we would have to give up in order to go back and live during that time.

Bad things like segregation?

For example, there was no Internet back in 1950.

618 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:28:08am

re: #612 darthstar

What the fuck?

619 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:28:24am

As much as they fetishize the 1950's they'd hate that as soon as they discovered that unionization was still popular then. Agree with Obdi, they want something way before that.

620 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:28:42am

re: #615 HappyWarrior

Politely fixed.

But women didn't know their place, they were gettin' all uppity.

621 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:28:42am

re: #612 darthstar

Hey Mitt...this looks worse in print than it did when you were being a condescending prick to your supporters:

For Pete's sake, I'm running for office! Do you have to wear garbage bags around me?

Is he actively trying to tank his own campaign? I mean, seriously. I've never met a man so completely out of touch.

622 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:28:58am

re: #619 HappyWarrior

As much as they fetishize the 1950's they'd hate that as soon as they discovered that unionization was still popular then. Agree with Obdi, they want something way before that.

Try the Stone Age.

623 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:29:00am

I'll make a page.

624 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:29:13am

re: #620 Obdicut

But women didn't know their place, they were gettin' all uppity.

Didn't the women's lib movement take off in the 60's though?

625 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:29:43am

re: #619 HappyWarrior

And hell, the Army was forced to integrate in the 40s-- they'd prefer something pre-WWII. WWII democratized our society in ways it really hadn't before. Rich and poor met in the front lines, blacks and whites served together, women realized their worth in the workplace. It was a highly transformative period, every bit as important for the liberalization of our society as the 60s and 70s.

626 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:30:06am

re: #612 darthstar

Hey Mitt...this looks worse in print than it did when you were being a condescending prick to your supporters:

For Pete's sake, I'm running for office! Do you have to wear garbage bags around me?

"I'm Mitt Romney and I'm more wealthier than you."
Seriously Mitt we get it you're wealthy, and that's fine but you don't have to be a snobby douche about it.

627 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:30:37am

re: #625 Obdicut

And hell, the Army was forced to integrate in the 40s-- they'd prefer something pre-WWII. WWII democratized our society in ways it really hadn't before. Rich and poor met in the front lines, blacks and whites served together, women realized their worth in the workplace. It was a highly transformative period, every bit as important for the liberalization of our society as the 60s and 70s.

This is a great point.

628 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:32:22am

re: #569 Flaming Dumpster

What's a sattv4u2 urn?

Sounds like an XML schema standard.

629 darthstar  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:34:15am

re: #626 HappyWarrior

"I'm Mitt Romney and I'm more wealthier than you."
Seriously Mitt we get it you're wealthy, and that's fine but you don't have to be a snobby douche about it.

Yes, apparently, he does.

630 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:35:26am

re: #625 Obdicut

And hell, the Army was forced to integrate in the 40s-- they'd prefer something pre-WWII. WWII democratized our society in ways it really hadn't before. Rich and poor met in the front lines, blacks and whites served together, women realized their worth in the workplace. It was a highly transformative period, every bit as important for the liberalization of our society as the 60s and 70s.

Dogs and cats living together.

631 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:35:55am

re: #610 Pam and Bob Sitting in a Tree

Seriously?

That's a self-fisking list. Gasoline cost $.27 in 1950, but as adjusted for inflation we're talking ... wait for it... $2.57 (to 2012 as per this calculator). Add a little international instability and greater demand (with slack supply because foreign producers are trying to keep oil prices at or above $100 a barrel), and you've got your price differential right there.

As a percentage of income dedicated to energy, it's even less (and far fewer people had cars in 1950 than they do now - where many households have not one, but two or more cars).

632 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:36:12am

re: #608 Varek Raith

Lolwut

I figured you had mind control going to get black budget cash for some sort of secret base to get built into Devil's Tower.

633 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:36:47am

re: #629 darthstar

Yes, apparently, he does.

I mean damn. Despite what he believes, people like me have no problem with him being wealthy but there's a fine line between being wealthy and a condescending prick who thinks he's better simply because he's wealthy. Mitt wouldn't be the wealthy man he is today if not for his father. I mean this is a dude who actually had the balls to demonstrate in favor of the draft and then not even serve in that war. Mitt's a coward. Everyone mocks those guys like Bush and Quayle who went to the national guard but at least they did that.

634 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:38:03am

re: #632 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I figured you had mind control going to get black budget cash for some sort of secret base to get built into Devil's Tower.

All that's needed is to melt the ice caps to make full use of that carrier.

635 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:39:04am

re: #631 lawhawk

Seriously?

That's a self-fisking list. Gasoline cost $.27 in 1950, but as adjusted for inflation we're talking ... wait for it... $2.57 (to 2012 as per this calculator). Add a little international instability and greater demand (with slack supply because foreign producers are trying to keep oil prices at or above $100 a barrel), and you've got your price differential right there.

As a percentage of income dedicated to energy, it's even less (and far fewer people had cars in 1950 than they do now - where many households have not one, but two or more cars).

Record oil company profits.
More people in the workforce.
Safer vehicles.
Far less pollution.

636 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:39:49am

What a douche.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

637 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:40:11am

I'm surprised the AFA wants to live in Truman's America so badly. It kind of reminds me of when Glenn Beck was getting all misty eyed and nostlagic at the Mean Joe Greene coke commercial which is an awesome one I will grant him but someone pointed out that ad was made in the heart of the Carter years. Social conservatives like the AFA and Beck are always romanticizing the past and it's understandable why the past gets romanticized when the present feels complicated but me? I'm happy to be here in 2012 where it's a lot easier for someone like me to get an education and as selfish as it sounds I love having gadgets like the kindle and iPod and of course I love how far we've grown as a society. We're alot more open minded than we were in 1950.

638 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:40:16am

re: #634 Varek Raith

All that's needed is to melt the ice caps to make full use of that carrier.

Hang on to your britches son, that's a work in progress.

639 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:40:24am

re: #635 Flaming Dumpster

Record oil company profits.
More people in the workforce.
Safer vehicles.
Far less pollution.

Far less risk of suddenly dying in a nuclear conflagration.

640 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:42:36am

Here, small suggestions welcome.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

641 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:42:56am

re: #639 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Far less risk of suddenly dying in a nuclear conflagration.

Too late.
BOOOMMMM!

642 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:43:24am

re: #636 Varek Raith

What a douche.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

I heard about this guy. What a prick. "Get a real job" is what he wrote on the check. Hmm buddy maybe you should serve yourself next time and make your own food.

643 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:44:42am

re: #642 HappyWarrior

I heard about this guy. What a prick. "Get a real job" is what he wrote on the check. Hmm buddy maybe you should serve yourself next time and make your own food.

He wouldn't know how.

644 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:45:44am

re: #643 thedopefishlives

He wouldn't know how.

Of course he wouldn't. He's an out of touch douche who likes taking his frustration on wait staff.

645 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:45:58am

re: #642 HappyWarrior

I heard about this guy. What a prick. "Get a real job" is what he wrote on the check. Hmm buddy maybe you should serve yourself next time and make your own food.

Image: homer2.jpg

646 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:48:11am

re: #644 HappyWarrior

Of course he wouldn't. He's an out of touch douche who likes taking his frustration on wait staff.

I deliberately go out of my way to be polite and generous with wait staff. I can see all around me the kind of crap they have to put up with on a regular basis. I would never want to do their job, so in return, I try to make it as easy on them as possible. Even if they're less than perfect.

647 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:49:18am

I rarely go out to eat.
But when I do, I tip 30+ percent. A couple of times 50.
Some people just deserve it.
:)

648 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:49:40am

re: #642 HappyWarrior

I heard about this guy. What a prick. "Get a real job" is what he wrote on the check. Hmm buddy maybe you should serve yourself next time and make your own food.

649 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:52:00am

re: #646 thedopefishlives

I deliberately go out of my way to be polite and generous with wait staff. I can see all around me the kind of crap they have to put up with on a regular basis. I would never want to do their job, so in return, I try to make it as easy on them as possible. Even if they're less than perfect.

Yep. I try to be generous as possible with the tip and friendly as possible.

650 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:53:21am

re: #649 HappyWarrior

Yep. I try to be generous as possible with the tip and friendly as possible.

You should see the way the folks at McDonald's change their facial expressions when you tell them "Thank you, have a nice day" after paying for or picking up your order at the drive through. It's like petting an abused puppy.

651 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:54:19am

re: #636 Varek Raith

What a douche.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

He got the math wrong. He got the goddamn math wrong. What a fucking moron.

652 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:54:55am

re: #651 Obdicut

He got the math wrong. He got the goddamn math wrong. What a fucking moron.

Yeah, I chuckled when I saw that.

653 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:00:01am

Morning, Lizards!

I'm bouncing off the walls today, because this was just announced. I'd freak if I ended up winning a ticket to that. It would be amazing and totally make my SXSW experience.

654 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:00:39am

re: #646 thedopefishlives

I deliberately go out of my way to be polite and generous with wait staff. I can see all around me the kind of crap they have to put up with on a regular basis. I would never want to do their job, so in return, I try to make it as easy on them as possible. Even if they're less than perfect.

I've worked in a restaurant. I know first-hand the shit that waitstaff and bartenders go through, and how much of a grind it all is. I'm very forgiving because of it. It means I'm always going to try and tip well, and that if I have to wait a bit for a drink or whatever, I'm not going to be a bitch to the server.

That guy is an asshole. "Get a real job"? Shows they never worked in food service or retail.

655 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:02:33am

I tend to be understanding too. My parents met actually while they were waiting tables and my Dad waited tables for much of my early childhood. It's not easy work. You often deal with jerks like this guy who think they're entitled to treat you like shit.

656 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:04:36am

re: #654 Lidane

Never worked in a restaurant, but my first high school job was working retail. I think everybody should be required to endure a similar experience. It's pretty enlightening.

657 iossarian  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:06:48am

re: #651 Obdicut

He got the math wrong. He got the goddamn math wrong. What a fucking moron.

Maybe he was just deducting his transaction and wealth management fee.

658 Buck  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:11:47am

re: #651 Obdicut

He got the math wrong. He got the goddamn math wrong. What a fucking moron.

Are you saying that because he rounded down instead of rounding up?

I mean is the big math mistake the .005 (half a penny) not counting to round up the tip to $1.34?

Or is there another error I am missing?

659 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:12:32am

re: #658 Buck

I think he's talking about being off by a factor of 10 (1% versus 10%)?

660 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:14:28am

One person confirmed killed in OH school shooting (MSNBC banner - no link).

USA Today - teenage gunman in custody after surrendering to bystanders nearby. 1 person dead, 4 injured.

661 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:14:34am

re: #658 Buck

Buck, if you're seriously going to defend this guy because he rounded down instead of up, do us all a favor and fuck off.

He's an asshole no matter how the math works out.

662 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:14:37am

re: #658 Buck

Yes, he rounded down. An extra insult on top of all the others, the douche.

663 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:15:25am

re: #659 lawhawk

No, but the jerkitude of stealing that extra penny is just... nuts.

664 Buck  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:15:44am

re: #659 lawhawk

I think he's talking about being off by a factor of 10 (1% versus 10%)?

133.54 x 1% = $1.3354

The story seems to be about leaving a 1% tip.

What factor of 10?

665 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:16:13am

re: #664 Buck

He should have at least left 10%, minimum-- and that's if the waitress did a crappy job.

666 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:17:03am

re: #656 thedopefishlives

Never worked in a restaurant, but my first high school job was working retail. I think everybody should be required to endure a similar experience. It's pretty enlightening.

Having done plenty of time in the retail trenches myself, I can say that compulsory retail employment would either result in a more civil society or would increase the homicide rate by an order or magnitude.

667 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:17:07am

Hail Stan. /damn! OK, Hail Stan's neighbor.

668 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:17:31am

re: #665 Obdicut

He should have at least left 10%, minimum-- and that's if the waitress did a crappy job.

Seriously if you're going to get that big of a meal, you should have some common courtesy. I could care less about the whole "99%" and "1%" thing. Take his stupid frustrations out on the waiter and then telling them to get a real job after the person served them is a dickhead move.

669 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:17:41am

Some Monday morning fun:

670 Buck  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:17:59am

re: #665 Obdicut

He should have at least left 10%, minimum-- and that's if the waitress did a crappy job.

Agreed, however his math was not wrong by a factor of 10. He intentionally left a crappy tip. How this is a news story I have no idea.

671 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:18:15am

re: #653 Lidane

Morning, Lizards!

I'm bouncing off the walls today, because this was just announced. I'd freak if I ended up winning a ticket to that. It would be amazing and totally make my SXSW experience.

Who is Bruce Springstein?

(Just kidding, I know he's one of these new pop idols)

672 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:18:41am

re: #669 Lidane

Some Monday morning fun:

Yeah I saw that this morning. FoD has some good stuff. My recent favorite is the Clinton Foundation one. Even shows Sean Penn having a bunch of much needed fun.

673 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:18:56am

Well Lizards, in additiion to marrying off my baby, I have to pay for this fabulous wedding experience. I was sadly informed last month that my Ford contract assignment would not be renewed, and I was worried about paying for the wedding and not having a job, because not having a job sucks.

I didn't want to post this at LGF because I didn't want the stalkers dancing and fist pumping (Yaay! Alouette doesn't have a job! Even though not having a job is usual for the stalkers)

But this morning I got a job offer from Chrysler, at DOUBLE THE RATE that I was getting at Ford.

So that's awesome, now I can pay for the wedding and have money left over. I haven't accepted the offer officially yet because there are other opportunities that I am also considering.

I'm on clouds today!

674 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:19:02am

re: #670 Buck

I didn't say he was off by a factor of 10.

It's a new story because it's about a human being treating another human being like absolute shit-- while referencing an area of national conversation, the income disparity in the US.

Does that help you understand it any better?

675 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:19:03am

re: #665 Obdicut

He should have at least left 10%, minimum-- and that's if the waitress did a crappy job.

Exactly. 10% is the minimum and that's if the service sucks. 15% is the average, and 20% or more is for a job well done, or if you've got a big group.

676 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:19:19am

re: #656 thedopefishlives

Never worked in a restaurant, but my first high school job was working retail. I think everybody should be required to endure a similar experience. It's pretty enlightening.

I worked retail for ~12 years.
Gah!

677 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:19:28am

re: #673 Learned Mother of Zion

Shazam! That's amazing!

678 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:19:45am

re: #673 Learned Mother of Zion

{{Alouette}} Great!

679 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:20:02am

re: #658 Buck

Are you saying that because he rounded down instead of rounding up?

I mean is the big math mistake the .005 (half a penny) not counting to round up the tip to $1.34?

Or is there another error I am missing?

He meant to give 10%.

680 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:20:39am

re: #673 Learned Mother of Zion

Well Lizards, in additiion to marrying off my baby, I have to pay for this fabulous wedding experience. I was sadly informed last month that my Ford contract assignment would not be renewed, and I was worried about paying for the wedding and not having a job, because not having a job sucks.

I didn't want to post this at LGF because I didn't want the stalkers dancing and fist pumping (Yaay! Alouette doesn't have a job! Even though not having a job is usual for the stalkers)

But this morning I got a job offer from Chrysler, at DOUBLE THE RATE that I was getting at Ford.

So that's awesome, now I can pay for the wedding and have money left over. I haven't accepted the offer officially yet because there are other opportunities that I am also considering.

I'm on clouds today!

Huzzah!

681 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:20:40am

re: #676 Flaming Dumpster

I worked retail for ~12 years.
Gah!

Honestly, after my retail experience, I told myself I never wanted to have to stoop to working fast food or retail ever again. I will if I have to, of course, because it pays the bills; but I am smart enough, educated enough, and just plain determined enough to hold down a better job that doesn't require me to mingle amongst the dung of society on a daily basis.

682 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:20:56am

re: #679 Flaming Dumpster

Sez who?

683 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:22:46am
684 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:23:55am

re: #671 Flaming Dumpster

Who is Bruce Springstein?

(Just kidding, I know he's one of these new pop idols)

I believe that's Clarence "Gatemouth" Bieber's rhythm harmonica player. Also played lead tambourine with Aretha Winehouse, if I recall.

685 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:24:35am

re: #682 Obdicut

Sez who?

My jangly crystal balls.

I assume not even an asshole would tip 1%, it isn't worth the effort, but an asshole would tip either nothing or 10%.

It was just my initial reaction when I saw the bill.
It's probably wrong.

686 Buck  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:25:29am

re: #674 Obdicut

I didn't say he was off by a factor of 10.

Right that was someone else, but you were saying his math was off. He rounded down instead of up.... not a huge math error.

It's a new story because it's about a human being treating another human being like absolute shit-- while referencing an area of national conversation, the income disparity in the US.

Did he actually say something that referenced an area of national conversation?

All I see is a bad tip and a snarky remark about her job. I mean we can think the 1% tip was about the 99% OWS.

Does that help you understand it any better?

Not really. I think that there will be thousands of bad tips, and snarky remarks given to wait staff all over the country today. I just don't see how this is a news story.

Not defending the guy, but really? You think this is anything unique?

687 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:25:32am

Limbaugh gives 5000$ tips, but he's still an asshole. //

688 blueraven  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:26:07am

re: #670 Buck

Agreed, however his math was not wrong by a factor of 10. He intentionally left a crappy tip. How this is a news story I have no idea.

Maybe because he is a self identified 1 percenter and he wrote "get a real job" on the check. It is the extreme douchery.

689 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:26:43am

re: #686 Buck

You remind me of a certain dmon, who seemed to think your page was not a news story.

690 jaunte  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:26:57am

re: #688 blueraven

It is the extreme douchery.

Extreme to the point of newsworthiness.

691 Buck  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:27:58am

re: #679 Flaming Dumpster

He meant to give 10%.

OK, I didn't get that from the story.

692 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:28:03am

re: #688 blueraven

Maybe because he is a self identified 1 percenter and he wrote "get a real job" on the check. It is the extreme douchery.

Yeah that's probably it. Maybe it's not the most newsworthy thing in the world but I've seen less newsworthy things get hours of coverage on the cable news.

693 Buck  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:28:28am

re: #689 Sergey Romanov

You remind me of a certain dmon, who seemed to think your page was not a news story.

No dmon thought it was only a story for racists.

694 Kronocide  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:28:53am

re: #690 jaunte

Extreme to the point of newsworthiness.

No no no. This happens 1000's of times a day all over the country.

695 bubba zanetti  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:29:26am

re: #587 darthstar

Facebook thread - I think I may have lost some friends just now:

....Valero on Hartnell.....

I know where that is, and that explains everything.

696 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:29:48am

re: #658 Buck

Are you saying that because he rounded down instead of rounding up?

I mean is the big math mistake the .005 (half a penny) not counting to round up the tip to $1.34?

Or is there another error I am missing?

Yes, because a normal tip should be 15%, actually more like 20%. This asshole left a less than 1% tip, first just because he's an asshole, second because he's so fucking dumb he can't even calculate 1%.

Multiple Fails.

697 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:30:17am

re: #686 Buck

Right that was someone else, but you were saying his math was off. He rounded down instead of up... not a huge math error.

But still an error-- though almost certainly intentional, just to be that more of a prick.

Did he actually say something that referenced an area of national conversation?

Yep.

I think that there will be thousands of bad tips, and snarky remarks given to wait staff all over the country today. I just don't see how this is a news story.

Because it's a 1% tip from a banker to a waitress with an insult on top.

And people are talking about, and highly concerned about, income disparity in this country.

Maybe you're just not concerned about income disparity, and that's why this isn't a story for you. Some people don't care how little a waitress earns in comparison with a banker. That might include you.

Not defending the guy, but really? You think this is anything unique?

Weirdly enough, unique things rarely get reported on. That's because there's very few of them. So no, I don't think it's unique. most of the news items you read today won't be about anything unique.

698 darthstar  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:31:09am

$133 usually gets a $25 tip from me...(I'm a rounder, yes, but I usually fall somewhere between 18% and 22%). I figure if I make it $30 it's not going to kill me, but it's an extra round-trip to work for a waiter (either in gas or public transit).

699 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:33:04am

re: #696 Learned Mother of Zion

Oh, he probably rounded down on purpose, the prick.

700 kirkspencer  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:34:08am

re: #698 darthstar

$133 usually gets a $25 tip from me...(I'm a rounder, yes, but I usually fall somewhere between 18% and 22%). I figure if I make it $30 it's not going to kill me, but it's an extra round-trip to work for a waiter (either in gas or public transit).

It's times like this I realize how much I don't fit. I haven't spent $100 (or more) for a meal in years. Heck, spending $50 for two of us is being extravagant.

$3 to $4 on a $20 dollar meal is our norm.

701 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:34:38am

re: #679 Flaming Dumpster

He meant to give 10%.

So he is such a moron he doesn't even know how to calculate 10% and yet he is in the BANKING INDUSTRY?

TEH FAIL is Costa Concordia level.

702 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:35:01am

re: #701 Learned Mother of Zion

Really think he was trying to leave 1% on purpose.

703 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:36:18am

re: #702 Obdicut

Really think he was trying to leave 1% on purpose.

My daughter in law is taking me to lunch today at some "hipster" restaurant. I think I'll leave a 21% tip on purpose.

704 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:36:38am

re: #685 Flaming Dumpster

My jangly crystal balls.

I assume not even an asshole would tip 1%, it isn't worth the effort, but an asshole would tip either nothing or 10%.

It was just my initial reaction when I saw the bill.
It's probably wrong.

I'm wrong, I should have watched the entire video.

705 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:37:49am

re: #700 kirkspencer

It's times like this I realize how much I don't fit. I haven't spent $100 (or more) for a meal in years. Heck, spending $50 for two of us is being extravagant.

$3 to $4 on a $20 dollar meal is our norm.

I'm actually with you here. The most money I spend on a meal for the two of us is probably $40, when we order a trashcan lid full of barbecued meats and tasty side dishes from Famous Dave's. And we do that maybe 3 times a year, tops.

The only time I've ever spent more than $100 on a meal was when I bought dinner for 5 at an expensive Italian place in the Chicago suburbs, and that was me buying a nice treat for some of my wife's family.

706 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:38:02am

re: #702 Obdicut

Really think he was trying to leave 1% on purpose.

Later in the video it says an employee of his claims it's something he does.

707 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:39:30am

re: #706 Flaming Dumpster

Later in the video it says an employee of his claims it's something he does.

So he purposely leaves a 1% tip to do what, exactly? Make some kind of statement about OWS or income inequality?

What a douche.

708 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:40:04am

re: #706 Flaming Dumpster

I thought they said he leaves 1% on purpose, not 10%.

If he was really trying to leave 10%, then he's slightly less of a jerk, but more incompetent.

709 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:41:13am

re: #707 Lidane

So he purposely leaves a 1% tip to do what, exactly? Make some kind of statement about OWS or income inequality?

What a douche.

Probably not OWS, but I'd guess it's to show how much disdain he has for the lower class. A first-rate asshole, that.

710 Simply Sarah  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:41:29am

I think that regardless of what he intended, we can all agree that he's a huge asshole. The only question is just how huge and if he also can't do math.

711 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:41:54am

re: #707 Lidane

So he purposely leaves a 1% tip to do what, exactly? Make some kind of statement about OWS or income inequality?

What a douche.

Well, he did leave more than $1.33 as a tip. Part two of his tip was "Get a real job" complete with the word 'tip' circled and an arrow to his words of wisdom.

712 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:42:04am

Update on the spiritually white bigot from Saturday. He was seen earlier that day panhandling at the parking lot exit at Wal Mart. Hahahaha! So proud...

And I didn't notice until today that I typed 'the part of Europe where she was born in'. And that was when I was operating at 60% of capacity. Today I'm at more like 30%, so plz frgiv all typoz n lapses of ... something.

713 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:42:19am

re: #707 Lidane

So he purposely leaves a 1% tip to do what, exactly? Make some kind of statement about OWS or income inequality?

What a douche.

Now I understand that he leaves a less than 1% tip 1) because he is an asshole 2) because he is too stupid to calculate exactly 1%. That's some pretty heavy duty asshole stupid.

714 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:42:42am

Here's a first-hand account of having a mastectomy without anesthesia back in the good old days of 1855.

Dr. Ford looked me full in the face, and with great firmness asked: "Have you made up your mind to have it cut out?" "Yes, sir." "Are you ready now?" "Yes, sir; but let me know when you begin, that I may be able to bear it. Have you your knife in that hand now?" He opened his hand that I might see it, saying, "I am going to begin now." Then came a gash long and deep, first on one side of my breast, then on the other. Deep sickness seized me, and deprived me of my breakfast.

715 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:43:19am

re: #708 Obdicut

I thought they said he leaves 1% on purpose, not 10%.

If he was really trying to leave 10%, then he's slightly less of a jerk, but more incompetent.

Yes, that's what I was trying to say, he leaves 1% on purpose.

I haven't slept for 30 hours so I'm not making much sense.

716 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:43:53am

re: #711 Flaming Dumpster

Well, he did leave more than $1.33 as a tip. Part two of his tip was "Get a real job" complete with the word 'tip' circled and an arrow to his words of wisdom.

The waitress has more of a real job than he has. I mean like, what kind of actual banking work can he possibly do, since he has no math skills?

Does he work for a collection agency breaking arms and knees?

717 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:44:44am

re: #716 Learned Mother of Zion

The waitress has more of a real job than he has. I mean like, what kind of actual banking work can he possible do, since he has no math skills?

Considering the financial crisis of recent years, he's probably a bank executive. =P

718 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:45:10am

re: #715 Flaming Dumpster

I haven't slept for 30 hours so I'm not making much sense.

U OK dude?

719 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:45:33am

re: #714 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

Here's a first-hand account of having a mastectomy without anesthesia back in the good old days of 1855.

The olde days were such good tymes.

720 allegro  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:47:48am

I think it should be required service of every American to wait tables. I chalk up some of my most valuable educational experiences to doing that job when I was in college. Being an uppity little liberal woman, I didn't suffer fools gladly even then and that job taught me how to deal with assholes without a) losing my job and b) losing my soul.

My favorite story comes from working at a Denny's type restaurant. It was late at night, after midnight, and a party of folks came in obviously after a night of drinking. One guy in their party was an insulting, insufferable asshole who was quite abusive. Though his behavior clearly offended some others in the party, there was little they could do since he just turned his ugliness oon them. When their order came up, I served them, bringing his food to him in a To Go bag. Man, was he pissed! The rest of his party laughed their asses off. So did my manager when the guy complained.

721 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:48:10am

re: #716 Learned Mother of Zion

I think he has math skills, and knew he was rounding down, and did so on purpose.

722 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:48:38am

re: #718 wrenchwench

U OK dude?

Yah, just a bit more muddle headed than usual. I was on LGF reeducating an AGW denier just before bed and my mind would not shut off. I get bad insomnia sometimes.

723 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:49:09am

re: #715 Flaming Dumpster

That's okay, I'm probably the one who got everyone off on this tangent by thinking that he meant 10% but gave 1% - when the report indicates that he tips like Mr. Pink from Reservoir Dogs - 1% is his customary tip.

It's idiots like this that would suggest switching to a European-style tipping schedule - automatic tip on bill or professionalizing the restaurant industry so that the tips are built into the bill (but that then requires that the restaurants don't screw with the tips - something that all too many do, particularly in the catering business).

724 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:50:10am
725 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:50:33am

On Stratfor, Assange and Anonymous just don't get it

while I've found some Stratfor analysis to be flat wrong, and so perhaps harmful if conclusions are taken by policymakers at face value, I've never seen anything nefarious or dangerous. Yet today, the internet is filled with claims that the Stratfor is some kind of "shadow CIA," with ominous warnings about its hidden influence and functions.
...
Wikileak's says the emails "reveal the inner workings of a company that fronts as an intelligence publisher, but provides confidential intelligence services to large corporations, such as Bhopal's Dow Chemical Co., Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and government agencies, including the US Department of Homeland Security, the US Marines and the US Defense Intelligence Agency. The emails show Stratfor's web of informers, pay-off structure, payment laundering techniques and psychological methods."
The language in that short paragraph is like one long toot on a dog-whistle for the paranoid.

726 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:50:49am

Well on an unrelated plus side, my diploma came today. Finally feels official since the past two months have been an odd limbo.

727 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:50:55am

re: #723 lawhawk

That's okay, I'm probably the one who got everyone off on this tangent by thinking that he meant 10% but gave 1% - when the report indicates that he tips like Mr. Pink from Reservoir Dogs - 1% is his customary tip.

It's idiots like this that would suggest switching to a European-style tipping schedule - automatic tip on bill or professionalizing the restaurant industry so that the tips are built into the bill (but that then requires that the restaurants don't screw with the tips - something that all too many do, particularly in the catering business).

yah, it's your falt.

Nah, I didn't see yours until after I posted mine.

728 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:51:33am
The company's Victoria Allen vents about this in one of the stolen emails. "The media refers to us as a think tank, a political risk consultancy, a security company and worse--academics," she writes. "The Russian media calls us part of the CIA. Arab countries say we are Israelis. It’s wild. The only things we haven’t been called is a hardware store or Druids."

Heh

729 kirkspencer  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:52:18am

re: #725 Killgore Trout

On Stratfor, Assange and Anonymous just don't get it

Stratfor. To quote a friend: "They are better at marketing themselves than at turning out valuable products."

730 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:54:11am

re: #725 Killgore Trout

On Stratfor, Assange and Anonymous just don't get it

It's not uncommon for the feds to have banks "launder" money for them for undercover operations. I've been seeing a bit of those emails. Nothing really that's out of ordinary.

731 Sionainn  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:54:22am

re: #726 HappyWarrior

Well on an unrelated plus side, my diploma came today. Finally feels official since the past two months have been an odd limbo.

Congratulations!

732 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:54:36am

re: #731 Sionainn

Congratulations!

Thanks.

733 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:54:47am

re: #724 Lidane

Sexism In 30 Vintage Ads

Rule #1 for a long marriage - Never give your wife a kitchen appliance as a gift.

734 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:54:56am

re: #723 lawhawk

That's okay, I'm probably the one who got everyone off on this tangent by thinking that he meant 10% but gave 1% - when the report indicates that he tips like Mr. Pink from Reservoir Dogs - 1% is his customary tip.

It's idiots like this that would suggest switching to a European-style tipping schedule - automatic tip on bill or professionalizing the restaurant industry so that the tips are built into the bill (but that then requires that the restaurants don't screw with the tips - something that all too many do, particularly in the catering business).

I'm pretty skeptical of the tip story. The picture was posted on Reddit a week or two ago as an example of a shitty customer. As it circulated later on other sites it had the attached story of a wall street banker shitting on working people. It seems to me that it's just another story from the internet.

735 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:55:01am

re: #725 Killgore Trout

Leave it to wikileaks to respond to the necessity of making what they release seem world shaking. Whether its real or not or important or not.

736 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:55:23am

Now where's my aircraft carrier. I seem to have lost it in the tub.

//

737 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:56:36am

re: #730 Gus

It's not uncommon for the feds to have banks "launder" money for them for undercover operations. I've been seeing a bit of those emails. Nothing really that's out of ordinary.

There's also this: Israel, Kurdish fighters destroyed Iran nuclear facility, email released by WikiLeaks claims
Of course this is nonsense but some idiot put it in an email. It doesn't really mean anything.

738 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:56:45am

re: #714 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

Here's a first-hand account of having a mastectomy without anesthesia back in the good old days of 1855.

Ugh. I saw a video of one from the 1930s. Brutal. Done with anesthesia but still.

739 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:56:48am

re: #736 Gus

Now where's my aircraft carrier. I seem to have lost it in the tub.

//

Please tell me you aren't typing to us from the tub.

740 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:57:37am

re: #736 Gus

Now where's my aircraft carrier. I seem to have lost it in the tub.

//

Destroying the rubber ducky.

741 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:57:53am

re: #725 Killgore Trout

On Stratfor, Assange and Anonymous just don't get it

The Stratfor guys are not only based in Austin, but they're doing a panel at SXSW. I'm going to try and make it.

742 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:59:10am

re: #736 Gus

B-9! You sunk my battleship!! /

743 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:59:24am

re: #737 Killgore Trout

There's also this: Israel, Kurdish fighters destroyed Iran nuclear facility, email released by WikiLeaks claims
Of course this is nonsense but some idiot put it in an email. It doesn't really mean anything.

I noticed those as well. These political assessments which seem to be nothing other than news reports sprinkled with personal opinions. I'm tired of Wikileaks though. Apparently they're only out for revenge and attacking the USA while ignoring Russia, China, Iran, etc. It's all against the USA 24/7. And before all the puritopians get excited they need to remember that some of this garbage can be used against the White House.

744 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:59:36am

re: #737 Killgore Trout

TBH, these emails should be authenticated first.
The stuff about Chaika being Stratfor's informer seems rather doubtful:

[Link: en.ria.ru...]

It's a bit like saying that Eric Holder might be an agent of some private Russian "think tank".

745 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:00:41am

re: #741 Lidane

The Stratfor guys are not only based in Austin, but they're doing a panel at SXSW. I'm going to try and make it.

What does SXSW mean?

746 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:00:59am

re: #745 Flaming Dumpster

What does SXSW mean?

South by...

747 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:02:20am

re: #746 Gus

South by...

Not SeX that's Safe for Work?

748 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:02:23am

re: #745 Flaming Dumpster

What does SXSW mean?

South by Southwest

749 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:02:30am

re: #743 Gus

I noticed those as well. These political assessments which seem to be nothing other than news reports sprinkled with personal opinions. I'm tired of Wikileaks though. Apparently they're only out for revenge and attacking the USA while ignoring Russia, China, Iran, etc. It's all against the USA 24/7. And before all the puritopians get excited they need to remember that some of this garbage can be used against the White House.

I'm with you here. I've never been a terribly big fan of Assange and Co., and the way some people have made them out to be noble martyrs for the First Amendment cause just sickens me.

750 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:04:48am

re: #744 Sergey Romanov

It could, of course, be just a proxy bullshitting Stratfor for money.

751 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:04:57am

re: #749 thedopefishlives

I'm with you here. I've never been a terribly big fan of Assange and Co., and the way some people have made them out to be noble martyrs for the First Amendment cause just sickens me.

For one. True martyrs are willing to be imprisoned for their work. Not look to weasel out of their crimes. You can't engage in spy type work and expect leniency.

752 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:06:38am

Isn't Assange the guy on the corner wearing the trench coat and hawking First Amendment Rolexes?

753 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:06:45am

re: #749 thedopefishlives

I'm with you here. I've never been a terribly big fan of Assange and Co., and the way some people have made them out to be noble martyrs for the First Amendment cause just sickens me.

Yeah I've seen some people say that Assenge should win the Nobel. Please.

754 blueraven  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:07:14am

re: #734 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty skeptical of the tip story. The picture was posted on Reddit a week or two ago as an example of a shitty customer. As it circulated later on other sites it had the attached story of a wall street banker shitting on working people. It seems to me that it's just another story from the internet.

Would you offer the same skepticism to any ridiculous OWS story?

755 b_Snark  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:07:27am

re: #753 HappyWarrior

Yeah I've seen some people say that Assenge should win the Nobel. Please.

You don't think he's a dynamite fellow?

756 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:07:42am

re: #752 Flaming Dumpster

Isn't Assange the guy on the corner wearing the trench coat and hawking First Amendment Rolexes?

He gets those Rolexes for free from his guilt ridden 1 percenter buddies. ;)

757 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:07:48am

re: #754 blueraven

Would you offer the same skepticism to any ridiculous OWS story?

You really have to ask?

758 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:08:10am

re: #753 HappyWarrior

Yeah I've seen some people say that Assenge should win the Nobel. Please.

Well, given the history of the Nobel Peace Prize, it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility.

759 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:08:15am

re: #755 Flaming Dumpster

You don't think he's a dynamite fellow?

Nice pun, well done but No Bell(it's too bad his last name wasn't Nodice)

760 blueraven  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:09:00am

re: #757 Lidane

You really have to ask?

Not really...just curious why the double standard.

761 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:09:21am

re: #758 thedopefishlives

Well, given the history of the Nobel Peace Prize, it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility.

Oh of course but this coming from people who think he's in the same league as a King or even some of the most recent winners. It was weird seeing him a guest voice on The Simpsons two weeks back I will say.

762 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:10:01am

Of course it goes without saying. Stratfor? WTF?

764 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:10:56am
765 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:11:09am

re: #762 Gus

Of course it goes without saying. Stratfor? WTF?

NO STRATFOR YOU!

766 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:11:24am

re: #760 blueraven

Not really...just curious why the double standard.

Because ZOMG OWS, that's why. If it was a story about a waitress mentioning OWS to the banker first, then the 1% tip would be seen as poetic justice, I'm sure.

767 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:12:24am

re: #763 Varek Raith

Lol.
AUDIO: Mitt Romney Not A NASCAR Fan, But Has ‘Some Great Friends’ Who Own Teams

Haha, wow. That's some grade A tone-deafness right there.

768 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:12:28am

So I suppose that the New York Times will refuse to publish and of these emails because they were obtained illegally?

//

769 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:15:52am

re: #763 Varek Raith

Lol.
AUDIO: Mitt Romney Not A NASCAR Fan, But Has ‘Some Great Friends’ Who Own Teams

Who the hell is advising this guy?
"Okay, Mitt try to be condescending and out of touch as possible."
"What do I do if they mention NASCAR?"
"Well we all know you don't watch that lowly sport. Hmmm you probably have friends that own some of the teams though Mitt."
"Wow great idea. I'll talk about that right after I make a crack about ponchos."
"Great, people will love you for sure."

770 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:24:52am
771 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:56:18am

re: #720 allegro

I think it should be required service of every American to wait tables. I chalk up some of my most valuable educational experiences to doing that job when I was in college. Being an uppity little liberal woman, I didn't suffer fools gladly even then and that job taught me how to deal with assholes without a) losing my job and b) losing my soul.

My favorite story comes from working at a Denny's type restaurant. It was late at night, after midnight, and a party of folks came in obviously after a night of drinking. One guy in their party was an insulting, insufferable asshole who was quite abusive. Though his behavior clearly offended some others in the party, there was little they could do since he just turned his ugliness oon them. When their order came up, I served them, bringing his food to him in a To Go bag. Man, was he pissed! The rest of his party laughed their asses off. So did my manager when the guy complained.

You were lucky to have a fairly understanding manager instead of a corporate drone type.

772 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:59:47am

re: #764 thedopefishlives

Mitt Romney (R-eally tone deaf).

I note an article that pointed out that Mitt's boyhood home in Michigan got demolished two years ago and is now just an empty lot. Must not have meant that much to Mr 1%er.

773 Buck  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:06:36am

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