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The GOP’s Slut-Shaming Ultrasound Craze Spreads to Alabama

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The GOP’s uterus inspection device

Here we go again.

Now the Republican Party’s slut-shaming craze has spread to Alabama, with yet another uterus inspection bill requiring women seeking abortions to undergo trans-vaginal ultrasounds.

And notice that State Sen. Clay Scofield openly admits there’s no medical reason whatsoever; the only reason for this insane caveman law is to stop abortion. Pure right wing social engineering.

When a woman in Alabama seeks an abortion procedure, she already has to sign that her doctor has performed an ultrasound and that she either viewed the ultrasound image or rejected seeing it. But state Sen. Clay Scofield (R) is pushing SB 12, a bill in the Alabama legislature that would mandate the physician “to perform an ultrasound, provide verbal explanation of the ultrasound, and display the images to the pregnant woman before performing an abortion.” The physician could also require the woman to submit to a transvaginal ultrasound — “in which a probe is inserted into the vagina, and then moved around until an ultrasound image is produced” — if she or he determines it necessary.

A Senate committee voted 4-1 on Friday to approve the measure, and the state Senate is expected to vote on it early this week. Even though studies have proven that viewing an ultrasound does not lead women to not have abortions, the bill’s sponsor says he hopes it will:

Scofield said he hopes that, if signed into law, his bill will stop some abortions. Though the bill states a woman can look away from the ultrasound image, Scofield wants her to see it.

“So she sees that this is not just a clump of cells as she is told,” he said. “She will see the shape of the infant. And hopefully, she will choose to keep the child.”

The bill wouldn’t require an ultrasound if an abortion is necessary to save a woman’s life, but it does not allow the victims of sexual assault to opt out of viewing the ultrasound.

Related:
The GOP’s Slut-Shaming Ultrasound Craze Spreads to Illinois
GOP Pushing Mandatory Invasive Ultrasound Legislation in Pennsylvania Too
‘Rape by the State’? Court: Texas Can Force Doctors to Deliver Intrusive Vaginal Ultrasound to Abortion Seekers
For Most Women, GOP Sonograms Will Require Invasive Procedure

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159 comments

1 AK-47%  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:03:57pm

I assume her head will be clamped in place and the eyelids clipped open...

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2 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:04:09pm
The bill wouldn’t require an ultrasound if an abortion is necessary to save a woman’s life, but it does not allow the victims of sexual assault to opt out of viewing the ultrasound.

Okay. Going for a walk. Laters all.

3 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:05:14pm

Thank you, Scofield, for at least being honest that this has nothing to do with the practice of medicine, you horrific asshole.

4 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:06:17pm

State-sanctioned rape, coming to a GOP legislature near you.

5 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:06:47pm

re: #3 Obdicut

Thank you, Scofield, for at least being honest that this has nothing to do with the practice of medicine, you horrific asshole.

Truly a first in all the bills that have been put up, a politician coming out to admit that it's nothing more than an effort to traumatize women in the name of an ideology.

6 Simply Sarah  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:07:34pm

I'll have to admit that I'm a bit surprised that this has become the current nationwide focus of the anti-choice crowd. It seems like a relatively risky issue to pursue. I suppose those in charge just don't care anymore about putting up even a paper-thin facade.

7 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:08:16pm

Will you look at that? Another dweeb.

8 Simply Sarah  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:08:53pm

re: #3 Obdicut

Thank you, Scofield, for at least being honest that this has nothing to do with the practice of medicine, you horrific asshole.

Please forgive me if I'm not exactly inclined to give him any credit for that.

9 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:09:10pm

re: #6 Simply Sarah

I'll have to admit that I'm a bit surprised that this has become the current nationwide focus of the anti-choice crowd. It seems like a relatively risky issue to pursue. I suppose those in charge just don't care anymore about putting up even a paper-thin facade.

It's an election-year ballroom blitz, a last-ditch effort to cram this shit through before the voters to the polls in November and defang the Republican majorities they put into place in '10 on the insistence that they would be all about "jobs."

10 AK-47%  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:09:13pm

re: #6 Simply Sarah

I'll have to admit that I'm a bit surprised that this has become the current nationwide focus of the anti-choice crowd. It seems like a relatively risky issue to pursue. I suppose those in charge just don't care anymore about putting up even a paper-thin facade.

And throwing it out at the same time they are railing against mandated contraceptive coverage...

As if they really are so hell-bent on putting through an ideology that they do not care how many voters they are alienating.

11 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:10:07pm

So clearly this is the grand strategy they're going with

Good job, Republicans! You fuckers should all be in prison

12 Simply Sarah  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:10:51pm

re: #9 Targetpractice

It's an election-year ballroom blitz, a last-ditch effort to cram this shit through before the voters to the polls in November and defang the Republican majorities they put into place in '10 on the insistence that they would be all about "jobs."

That seems like the best guess, yes. I just thought they might take a bit more time in an attempt to consolidate power a bit more or something. Take strong, but less obvious actions.

13 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:11:17pm

I'll make a rash prediction: The religious right is at the height of its power just now, but it will collapse with breathtaking speed after this election year. Within a few years no politician with serious electoral aspirations outside the hard-core Bible belt will willingly admit to having consorted with the likes of Bryan Fischer and David Barton. A close analogy would be the amazing collapse of the "Second" Ku Klux Klan in the late 20s. This organization went from millions of members and complete control of several states in 1925 to a marginalized laughingstock by 1929.

14 Interesting Times  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:11:43pm

Chair of Senate Health Committee Is VP Of An Ultrasound Equipment Company

Can you say "conflict of interest," Greg Reed? An alert contributor to the "Alabama Voters Opposed to Forced Ultrasound" Facebook group pointed out that the chair of the Senate committee in charge of this legislation is a vice president at Preferred Medical Systems.

15 AK-47%  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:12:44pm

re: #13 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

I have a feeling that the outcome of this election will lead to a major schism between the Tea Party/socon and "Establishment" wings of the GOP

16 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:13:33pm

re: #12 Simply Sarah

That seems like the best guess, yes. I just thought they might take a bit more time in an attempt to consolidate power a bit more or something. Take strong, but less obvious actions.

They might have if they thought there was a chance they'd hold onto power after November. But in many cases, they've not only failed to create new jobs, they've failed miserably just to keep the jobs that are there from disappearing. So they're now trying to get such bills made law so that, if they do lose their majorities after November, they can at least ensure that it will be damn near impossible to repeal them.

17 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:14:15pm

More freep, now with an ironic sig:

Aghhhhhhh!!! This is disgusting!!! OUTRAGEOUS!!! And with little kids just next to them? WHERE IS THE POLICE???
83 posted on 28 февраля 2012 г. 0:36:53 by American Dream 246 (Open your eyes. Freedom is not a one day fight. Enemies of Freedom are legion.)

18 Amory Blaine  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:14:28pm

All these things are nationally coordinated. The Scott Walker attacks on unions coincided perfectly with Indiana, Ohio, Etc. Voter ID all over the place, now with abortion and contraception. All highly organized attacks. Makes me think they are sharpening up for a real doozy to unload.

19 engineer cat  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:15:02pm

all ultrasound advocates should be required to say "vagina" publicly

and furthermore name all lady parts explicitly and in order

20 Simply Sarah  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:15:07pm

re: #13 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

I'll make a rash prediction: The religious right is at the height of its power just now, but it will collapse with breathtaking speed after this election year. A close analogy would be the amazing collapse of the "Second" Ku Klux Klan in the late 20s. This organization went from millions of members and complete control of several states in 1925 to a marginalized laughingstock by 1929.

Maybe. I wish I had any amount of confidence in that, though. If anything, I see it continuing to grow, even if some of the issues change. Perhaps less focus on homosexuality and more on women, for example.

21 Amory Blaine  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:15:09pm

re: #13 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

I love your optimism. May I borrow a cup?

22 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:15:28pm

re: #17 Sergey Romanov

Enemies of Freedom are legion.

That they are.

23 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:16:08pm

re: #22 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

That they are.

Wrapped in flags, carrying crosses.

24 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:17:56pm

re: #21 Amory Blaine

I love your optimism. May I borrow a cup?

No, but you may order some for $12.95 a gallon from the mental health supplement section of my ministry website.

25 Amory Blaine  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:19:01pm

re: #24 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

Bahh My HSA is empty!!!

26 Sionainn  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:20:28pm
“So she sees that this is not just a clump of cells as she is told,” he said. “She will see the shape of the infant. And hopefully, she will choose to keep the child.”

4-5 weeks
6 weeks
7 weeks
8 weeks
9 weeks
10 weeks
11 weeks
12 weeks

According to Guttmacher, 88% of abortions occur in the first 12 weeks, 61.8% done at less than 9 weeks, 17.1% between weeks 9 and 10, and 9.1% at weeks 11 and 12.

27 The Left  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:21:13pm

If you can't bring yourself to say "vagina", you have no business being near one.

28 Sionainn  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:21:49pm

re: #13 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

I'll make a rash prediction: The religious right is at the height of its power just now, but it will collapse with breathtaking speed after this election year. Within a few years no politician with serious electoral aspirations outside the hard-core Bible belt will willingly admit to having consorted with the likes of Bryan Fischer and David Barton. A close analogy would be the amazing collapse of the "Second" Ku Klux Klan in the late 20s. This organization went from millions of members and complete control of several states in 1925 to a marginalized laughingstock by 1929.

We can only hope...

29 MtnWoman  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:21:56pm

Add Pennsylvania the list.
The bill doesn't mandate transvaginal ultrasound but does require determination of gestational age which can only be done with a transvaginal ultrasound in the early stages.

Here's how Republican Todd Rock, one of the co-sponsors responded:

"I guess it is a little more invasive, but the idea is to take measurements to determine the gestational age, and you have to do it this way to get that kind of detail," Rock said of the transvaginal method. "I don't think that's much to ask if the life of a baby is hanging in the balance."

There's more details of the bill in this article.

30 AK-47%  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:24:48pm

Wouldn't it make sense to simply include basic education on fetal development in school biology curricula so young women are aware of what is going on inside their bodies and don't need a sound poked up them to make the point?

Of course not, because this is not about education. it is about getting women to change their minds about an abortion no matter what it takes.

31 mr.fusion  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:25:52pm

re: #30 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Wouldn't it make sense to simply include basic education on fetal development in school biology curricula so young women are aware of what is going on inside their bodies and don't need a sound poked up them to make the point?

Of course not, because this is not about education. it is about getting women to change their minds about an abortion no matter what it takes.

Education?

What a snob

32 Simply Sarah  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:26:05pm

re: #30 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Wouldn't it make sense to simply include basic education on fetal development in school biology curricula so young women are aware of what is going on inside their bodies and don't need a sound poked up them to make the point?

Of course not, because this is not about education. it is about getting women to change their minds about an abortion no matter what it takes.

Well, either changing her mind or, failing that, making her feel uncomfortable, violated, and shamed.

33 The Left  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:26:12pm

re: #30 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Of course not, because this is not about education. it is about getting women to change their minds about an abortion no matter what it takes.

It's also about slut-shaming; those women who had sex must be made to pay for it.

34 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:26:20pm

re: #30 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Of course not, because this is not about education. it is about controlling women and their bodies.

FTFY.

It's not about the abortion at all, despite all the hysterical bleating from the nutjobs. It's about slut-shaming a woman and traumatizing her because she dared to make a decision about her life and her body that they don't like.

35 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:26:25pm

re: #18 Amory Blaine

All these things are nationally coordinated. The Scott Walker attacks on unions coincided perfectly with Indiana, Ohio, Etc. Voter ID all over the place, now with abortion and contraception. All highly organized attacks. Makes me think they are sharpening up for a real doozy to unload.

They generally are coordinated because they're usually being directed by the same organizations. ALEC's been one of the big movers and shakers, sending out various templates and instruction books on various subjects, giving GOP their marching orders on how to write bills to effect the sort of "change" they want.

36 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:26:30pm

re: #19 engineer cat

all ultrasound advocates should be required to say "vagina" publicly

and furthermore name all lady parts explicitly and in order

In order to what?

Is that in order vertically, horizontally, laterally, linearly or diametrically?

37 MtnWoman  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:26:37pm

Who's behind this rash of legislation?
Maybe it's this group:
The anti-abortion group Americans United for Life has created model legislation for ultrasound policy that, according to the organization, has influenced some of the recent state bills, including Texas’

The title of their model legislation is:
Women's Ultrasound Right to Know Act
(PDF file)

38 erik_t  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:26:45pm

re: #29 MtnWoman

Here's how Republican Todd Rock, one of the co-sponsors responded:

There's more details of the bill in this article.

Mr. Rock, I can tell you with absolute certainty, without sticking anything in anybody's V, that there is no baby inside at twelve weeks. As such, the life of a baby does not hang in the balance, so feel free to go home and not dream up any more idiotic legislation.

39 shutdown  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:27:48pm

Ultimately, the social engineering aspect of things will backfire on those states that show themselves indifferent to equal rights for women (as well as for gays), and position themselves as anti-education and anti-science. These states will experience an emigration of the educated, upwardly mobile strata of society. A de facto partition of the Union into an industrialized, educated, globally engaged North and a backward, inward looking, South which can hope, at best, to be a cheap labour export platform for Northern (and Chinese) goods.

Good-bye, and good luck. (Or to paraphrase Douglas Adams: So long, and thanks or all the laughs)

40 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:28:11pm

re: #29 MtnWoman

Add Pennsylvania the list.
The bill doesn't mandate transvaginal ultrasound but does require determination of gestational age which can only be done with a transvaginal ultrasound in the early stages.

Here's how Republican Todd Rock, one of the co-sponsors responded:

There's more details of the bill in this article.

Thanks - I just did an article about Pennsylvania: GOP Pushing Mandatory Invasive Ultrasound Legislation in Pennsylvania Too.

41 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:29:07pm

This is not off-topic.

California Republican registrations are at an all-time low of 30.9%, something California Republicans View With Alarm.

I just can't imagine why it's happening now....
/

42 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:30:04pm

re: #37 MtnWoman

Who's behind this rash of legislation?
Maybe it's this group:
The anti-abortion group Americans United for Life has created model legislation for ultrasound policy that, according to the organization, has influenced some of the recent state bills, including Texas’

The title of their model legislation is:
Women's Ultrasound Right to Know Act
(PDF file)

I was just checking to see whether ALEC was behind it. I knew these guys weren't having an original thought.

Welcome, hatchling.

43 Bulworth  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:30:22pm
"I guess it is a little more invasive, but the idea is to take measurements to determine the gestational age, and you have to do it this way to get that kind of detail," Rock said of the transvaginal method. "I don't think that's much to ask if the life of a baby is hanging in the balance."

Interesting. But making sure people have health insurance coverage when we know lives do in fact "hang in the balance" is tyranny, apparently.

44 Simply Sarah  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:30:49pm

re: #37 MtnWoman

Who's behind this rash of legislation?
Maybe it's this group:
The anti-abortion group Americans United for Life has created model legislation for ultrasound policy that, according to the organization, has influenced some of the recent state bills, including Texas’

The title of their model legislation is:
Women's Ultrasound Right to Know Act
(PDF file)

Ah. Don't you love how they phrase it? "Women's Ultrasound Right to Know", like it's granting or supporting some right for us women. Right to be violated. Right to be shamed. Right to be preached to for wanting/needing to undergo a medical procedure. Right to be tormented. Good stuff, sign me up.

45 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:31:08pm

re: #39 Turnabout is Fair Play

It's gets even worse when one realizes Immigrants will result in several currently Red States changing sides.

46 Bulworth  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:31:13pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

Thanks - I just did an article about Pennsylvania: GOP Pushing Mandatory Invasive Ultrasound Legislation in Pennsylvania Too.

This should coincide perfectly with the GOP's "less government" campaign against Obama. /

47 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:31:33pm

Apologies for going OT so soon, but Mittens isn't even trying anymore:

48 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:31:46pm

re: #39 Turnabout is Fair Play

Ultimately, the social engineering aspect of things will backfire on those states that show themselves indifferent to equal rights for women (as well as for gays), and position themselves as anti-education and anti-science. These states will experience an emigration of the educated, upwardly mobile strata of society. A de facto partition of the Union into an industrialized, educated, globally engaged North and a backward, inward looking, South which can hope, at best, to be a cheap labour export platform for Northern (and Chinese) goods.

Good-bye, and good luck. (Or to paraphrase Douglas Adams: So long, and thanks or all the laughs)

I think the biggest backfire will be on the tenther, "states rights" crowd. How do you paint the feds as being jackbooted fascists that need to have power stripped from them when your state is mandating the violation of women with wands as a means of shaming them out of an abortion?

49 AK-47%  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:31:53pm

re: #45 ProGunLiberal

It's gets even worse when one realizes Immigrants will result in several currently Red States changing sides.

as long as we can keep 'em from registering, then that's fine...

50 engineer cat  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:32:29pm

re: #36 Flaming Dumpster

In order to what?

Is that in order vertically, horizontally, laterally, linearly or diametrically?

chronological - of course!

51 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:32:47pm

re: #23 Sergey Romanov

Wrapped in flags, carrying crosses.

"God, Nation and Family" like good little Falangists.

52 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:32:58pm

re: #47 Lidane

Apologies for going OT so soon, but Mittens isn't even trying anymore:

Desperation mode. Trying to capitalize on his daddy's memory and hitting all the wrong notes.

53 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:34:33pm

re: #46 Bulworth

This should coincide perfectly with the GOP's "less government" campaign against Obama. /

This is good news for John McCain Mitt Romney!

54 AK-47%  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:34:33pm

re: #52 Targetpractice

Desperation mode. Trying to capitalize on his daddy's memory and hitting all the wrong notes.

"Let Detroit go bankrupt!"

55 shutdown  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:35:22pm

re: #45 ProGunLiberal

It's gets even worse when one realizes Immigrants will result in several currently Red States changing sides.

Union, as we currently know it, is not sustainable if social change progresses at this rate and level of North-South disparity. How is one interpretation of the Constitution going to accomodate Alabama and Massachusetts? Either we agree to burn the Federalist Papers and the notion of common central governance, agreeing to a lowest common denominator regulating no more than common defence and trade (a Paulian dream state), or...?

56 MtnWoman  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:35:30pm

Add Illinois to the list.
They have 2 bills pending - one mandating ultrasound and one establishing structural criteria for the clinics (8 ft wide hallways vs the current 5 ft). All in the name of women's safety.
But just when you thought it couldn't get more offensive, the bills were referred to and reported out of the Agriculture Committee. Agriculture! Now we're farm animals.
But the reason for the Agriculture Committee was strategic:

The Agriculture Committee is dominated by downstate conservatives, and by assigning the bills there Democratic House Speaker Michael Madigan assured the measures would be heard by sympathetic legislators.

Article

57 erik_t  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:36:07pm

re: #47 Lidane

Apologies for going OT so soon, but Mittens isn't even trying anymore:

Eh. The difference between a four-year-old's memory and a negative-nine-month-old's memory is pretty trivial compared to all of the other lies that Mitt has been consciously pushing.

58 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:36:52pm

re: #54 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

"Let Detroit go bankrupt!"

The auto bailouts were payoffs to the union thugs!!! Rush said so!!!

59 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:37:07pm

They're pushing ultrasound bills in a lot of states - including North Carolina, Lousiana, and Texas.

60 erik_t  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:37:43pm

re: #39 Turnabout is Fair Play

Ultimately, the social engineering aspect of things will backfire on those states that show themselves indifferent to equal rights for women (as well as for gays), and position themselves as anti-education and anti-science. These states will experience an emigration of the educated, upwardly mobile strata of society. A de facto partition of the Union into an industrialized, educated, globally engaged North and a backward, inward looking, South which can hope, at best, to be a cheap labour export platform for Northern (and Chinese) goods.

Good-bye, and good luck. (Or to paraphrase Douglas Adams: So long, and thanks or all the laughs)

Have you been to Mississippi or Alabama? Why are you speaking in a future tense?

61 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:37:56pm

re: #46 Bulworth

This should coincide perfectly with the GOP's "less government" campaign against Obama. /

You missed a memo. Now it's "Less Federal Yankee government, more (Confederate) state government."

62 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:38:07pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

They're pushing ultrasound bills in a lot of states - including North Carolina, Lousiana, and Texas.

They're not pushing it here (Texas). It became law about two weeks ago.

63 shutdown  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:38:43pm

re: #60 erik_t

Hmmm. It has been a few years....

64 Bulworth  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:38:50pm

re: #53 Lidane

This is good news for John McCain Mitt Romney!

Must be tough to be Mittens. I think the GOPteabag's war against women campaign is pretty much going on without him.

65 MtnWoman  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:38:58pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

Thank you for doing an article. We have to realize the consequences of the midterms. I feel it was a bait and switch election. Jobs, jobs, jobs was only the mantra until the election was over.

66 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:39:03pm

Meanwhile, in the Falkland Islands....

Argentina turns away two cruise ships in Falkland Islands dispute

If Argentina starts another War, the UK needs to be much harsher than they were in the 80's.

67 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:39:07pm

re: #61 Decatur Deb

You missed a memo. Now it's "Less Federal Yankee government, more (Confederate) state government."

On that note:

68 BongCrodny  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:39:11pm

I remember when some of the ultra-conservatives who post here were downplaying this nonsense, saying stuff like this wouldn't pass because sane Republicans would rein them in or courts would overturn these bills.

I am shocked -- shocked! -- that didn't happen.

69 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:39:58pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

They're pushing ultrasound bills in a lot of states - including North Carolina, Lousiana, and Texas.

Last charge of the Bible-thumpers. Ironically, had they actually spent time on job creation, rather than everything from union-busting to slut-shaming, they might actually be looking at a good chance of retaining their majorities this November. But no, the lobbyist money was too good, so now they're left making Hail Mary plays in hopes that they can get something to stick after November.

70 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:40:17pm

re: #64 Bulworth

Must be tough to be Mittens. I think the GOPteabag's war against women campaign is pretty much going on without him.

He'll find the language to support and oppose it.

71 erik_t  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:40:21pm

re: #66 ProGunLiberal

Meanwhile, in the Falkland Islands...

Argentina turns away two cruise ships in Falkland Islands dispute

If Argentina starts another War, the UK needs to be much harsher than they were in the 80's.

Argentina lacks the capability to make meaningful war on the Falklands.

72 AK-47%  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:41:06pm

re: #66 ProGunLiberal

Meanwhile, in the Falkland Islands...

Argentina turns away two cruise ships in Falkland Islands dispute

If Argentina starts another War, the UK needs to be much harsher than they were in the 80's.

They are cetrailnly better prepared and equipped inan in 1982:

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

73 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:41:15pm

re: #70 Decatur Deb

He'll find the language to support and oppose it.

He's been trying of late. Remember his bit at the last debate, where now he's trying to paint himself as a champion of the anti-choice crowd?

74 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:41:29pm

re: #71 erik_t

I think Britain needs to stop being pushed around. Is there any leverage Britain has against Argentina?

75 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:41:40pm

re: #47 Lidane

Apologies for going OT so soon, but Mittens isn't even trying anymore:

I'm not his strongest partisan, but lots of people have that kind of false memory, enough that it's probably best not to throw stones. He's left us plenty of other targets, after all.

76 shutdown  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:42:02pm

A friend of my son went to visit his mom in Texas over break. He texted my son to tell him that in the local supermarket, there was an aisle labeled "International/Kosher". The kosher goods consisted of a bottle of matzo balls. My son texted him back to tell him to "stay away, it's probably a baited trap to catch the one jew left in town and ship him to new york".

77 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:42:11pm

The current list of states where they're promoting these caveman laws, as far as I know: Virginia, Alabama, N. Carolina, Illinois, Texas, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, and Pennsylvania.

78 Bulworth  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:42:28pm

re: #67 Lidane

On that note:

Well, as Old Hickory lived a century and a half ago, I suspect he would have been pretty surprised about a lot of things in the 21st century. But I realize Newt "Americasgreatesthistorian" Gingrich would be the one to know. /

79 AK-47%  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:42:42pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

Time to make it federal law, then!

/

80 erik_t  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:42:51pm

re: #74 ProGunLiberal

I think Britain needs to stop being pushed around. Is there any leverage Britain has against Argentina?

Take a deep breath. Countries piss in each others' cereal all the time. There is not going to be another Falklands war anytime soon.

81 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:42:59pm

re: #67 Lidane

On that note:

On that note:

#Gingrich, speaking at Tennessee state capitol, says Andrew Jackson would have been "enraged by Barack Obama." #2012

For sure, but then Andrew Jackson was enraged by kittens.

82 shutdown  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:43:17pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

Hey I like the "Show Links" button. I only just noticed it, even though it is probably 100 years old. Anyway, thanks for it.

83 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:44:32pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

Here's the link. It was February 7th.

Your text to link...

"This is a great day for life in Texas," countered Republican state Sen. Dan Patrick, who represents part of Houston and who sponsored the legislation. "This law is about a woman's right to know so she can have all the information she deserves before making a decision to end a life."

Fuck you, Dan.

84 Big Steve  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:44:44pm

re: #76 Turnabout is Fair Play

A friend of my son went to visit his mom in Texas over break. He texted my son to tell him that in the local supermarket, there was an aisle labeled "International/Kosher". The kosher goods consisted of a bottle of matzo balls. My son texted him back to tell him to "stay away, it's probably a baited trap to catch the one jew left in town and ship him to new york".

Don't know what you are talking about but the local supermarket where I live has a gigantic long aisle with kosher food and believe me no where is more bible belt than the part of Texas I live.....

85 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:44:50pm
86 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:45:31pm

Not. Again.

87 erik_t  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:45:52pm

re: #85 ProGunLiberal

Oh for shit's sakes.

88 shutdown  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:45:56pm

re: #84 Big Steve

Don't know what you are talking about but the local supermarket where I live has a gigantic long aisle with kosher food and believe me no where is more bible belt than the part of Texas I live...

I think it's a small town. Anyway, it was an anecdote, rather than political commentary - I like the Dallas Jewish community.

89 Big Steve  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:46:31pm

re: #83 My Camera Does Not Make Me A Good Photographer

Here's the link. It was February 7th.

Your text to link...

Fuck you, Dan.

Dan Patrick was a local TV sports caster back in the day and is most famous for openly crying on the air when Bum Phillips got canned as the coach of the Oilers.

90 MtnWoman  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:46:59pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

Check this Guttmacher Institute Report dated February 7, 2012
State Policies in Brief
Requirements for Ultrasound

91 shutdown  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:47:40pm

re: #89 Big Steve

I knew the name was familiar. I used to watch him back when I covered oil and energy for a bank, and traveled to Houston 4 times a year or so.

92 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:48:31pm

re: #89 Big Steve

Dan Patrick was a local TV sports caster back in the day and is most famous for openly crying on the air when Bum Phillips got canned as the coach of the Oilers.

He owns a radio station here. 700 KSEV.

93 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:48:45pm

re: #87 erik_t

What? Argentina wants to play hard ball, Britain could play the same game, especially when Falklanders can't easily get into Argentina. Make it the same for the Argentinians in regards to Britain.

94 Big Steve  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:49:48pm

re: #88 Turnabout is Fair Play

I think it's a small town. Anyway, it was an anecdote, rather than political commentary - I like the Dallas Jewish community.

But I have a great and true one for you. Current girlfriend of Big Steve's is Jewish. We were out for dinner and had a very chatty black male waiter. At one point he points out some of his fellow waiters and tells us that they are so young they don't know what "going Dutch" means. I mentioned that I used to work in the Netherlands and they consider that phrase as an insult. He then says "well since there aren't many Dutch in Houston, we should call it 'going Jewish'". I looked at him and pointed to my date and said "she is Jewish."

95 shutdown  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:51:10pm

re: #93 ProGunLiberal

The British public is never going to support another war over some godforsaken archipelago inhabited by sheep and 4th generation expatriates. It's not a matter of whether the Falklands become Argentine, but rather when and how. Argentina won't risk losing a war, and Britain can't afford to fight one.

96 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:51:26pm

re: #67 Lidane

#Gingrich, speaking at Tennessee state capitol, says Andrew Jackson would have been "enraged by Barack Obama." #2012
— Ken Thomas (@AP_Ken_Thomas) February 27, 2012

Other equally relevant opinions we should consider:

* Genghis Khan's opinion on solar energy policy
* Isaac Newton's mobile Internet security best practices for White House personnel
* Princess Leia's opinion of Hillary Clinton's diction

97 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:52:23pm

re: #96 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

* Newt Gingrich's opinion on anything.

98 shutdown  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:52:30pm

re: #94 Big Steve

You should have told him he wouldn't have to worry about "keeping his tip".

99 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:53:05pm

re: #95 Turnabout is Fair Play

Again, self-determination is my hill to die on. If Argentina is going to get the islands, I want them to suffer massively for violating a people's right to self-determination.

100 erik_t  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:53:11pm

re: #95 Turnabout is Fair Play

The British public is never going to support another war over some godforsaken archipelago inhabited by sheep and 4th generation expatriates. It's not a matter of whether the Falklands become Argentine, but rather when and how. Argentina won't risk losing a war, and Britain can't afford to fight one.

Acadians will never choose to live in a British-themed society. It's not a question of whether Quebec seeks independence, but rather when and how.

/

101 Big Steve  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:53:42pm

re: #98 Turnabout is Fair Play

You should have told him he wouldn't have to worry about "keeping his tip".

Actually that was my plan but my date insisted that that would only enforce the stereotype so I begrudgingly tipped him.

102 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:54:02pm

re: #95 Turnabout is Fair Play

The British public ar never going to support another war over some godforsaken archipelago inhabited by sheep and 4th generation expatriates. It's not a matter of whether the Falklands become Argentine, but rather when and how. Argentina won't risk losing a war, and Britain can't afford to fight one.

Dunno about that. My old people have been inviting them off their island for 500 years. They're nothing if not a bunch of clingy sods.

103 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:54:04pm

re: #94 Big Steve

Are you in Houston? If so, what restaurant was it?

104 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:55:03pm

re: #99 ProGunLiberal

Piece of advice. You might wanna chill out now.

105 shutdown  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:55:37pm

re: #100 erik_t

Cute analogy, but not quite on point...

re: #99 ProGunLiberal

Anyway, my view is simply that of an observer. In the likely case, there will be some UN supervised referendum on the Falklands that allows all parties to maintain their pride.

106 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:55:46pm

Oops, wrong link. ;)

107 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:55:55pm

re: #95 Turnabout is Fair Play

The British public is never going to support another war over some godforsaken archipelago inhabited by sheep and 4th generation expatriates. It's not a matter of whether the Falklands become Argentine, but rather when and how. Argentina won't risk losing a war, and Britain can't afford to fight one.

My guess is the become nominally "independent" and simply integrate tightly with Argentina.

108 erik_t  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:56:06pm

re: #99 ProGunLiberal

Again, self-determination is my hill to die on. If Argentina is going to get the islands, I want them to suffer massively for violating a people's right to self-determination.

Why are you so hell damned bent on ramping up tensions and festering discord?

Argentina and Great Britain haven't liked each other at any point since the war. Petty little bitchfests happen now and again. It doesn't matter worth a damn. There won't be a war because no physical capability exists to allow for one.

109 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:56:24pm

re: #106 Sergey Romanov

Oops, wrong link. ;)

I was wondering about that. ;)

110 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:56:48pm

and display the images to the pregnant woman before performing an abortion.”

I don't mean to sound flippant, but I see a lot of problems with forcing someone to look at something. For one thing, does this mean that blind women can no longer get an abortion?

111 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:58:14pm

re: #110 reuven

If it is mandated to look, then I guess so. If simply to display....

112 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:58:17pm

re: #99 ProGunLiberal

Again, self-determination is my hill to die on. If Argentina is going to get the islands, I want them to suffer massively for violating a people's right to self-determination.

You might want to define 'them', and then decide whether they should 'suffer massively'.

113 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:58:17pm

re: #110 reuven

Has anyone thought of the blind woman point who brought up? I hadn't thought of it.


re: #104 Gus

I'll be doing some work to cool off.

114 erik_t  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:58:26pm

re: #105 Turnabout is Fair Play

Cute analogy, but not quite on point...

No, it's not - the Falklanders appear to want to stay British far more than the Quebecois want to stay Canadian.

115 shutdown  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 1:58:31pm

re: #110 reuven

That is a really interesting point. And I am not being flip. What if a lobbying group for the blind demanded that the law be equally accessible to the blind and visually impaired? Imagine the costs.

116 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:01:11pm

re: #19 engineer cat

all ultrasound advocates should be required to say "vagina" publicly

and furthermore name all lady parts explicitly and in order

In order? Alphabetically, up, down, inside, out, what?

117 shutdown  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:01:54pm

re: #114 erik_t

You know, I have only been following this thread for 15 minutes, and already I am sick to death of the Falklands. Imagine how 99% of almost everybody not on the islands feel? For jingoistic Argentines and Brits it is not about the rights of some shepherds and hermits i the back end of nowhere. It is a gut reaction to anything foreign.

118 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:02:33pm

re: #99 ProGunLiberal

Can you please shut up with your stupid group blame bullshit?

119 shutdown  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:02:40pm

re: #116 Red Sea Desjardini Tang

In order? Alphabetically, up, down, inside, out, what?

In order of appearance in the Vagina Monologues. Which they should be forced to attend.

120 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:04:07pm

re: #104 Gus

Piece of advice. You might wanna chill out now.

Seconded.

Getting bent out of shape over anything, much less over the Faulklands and Argentina whining about them again, solves nothing.

121 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:04:31pm

re: #117 Turnabout is Fair Play

You know, I have only been following this thread for 15 minutes, and already I am sick to death of the Falklands. Imagine how 99% of almost everybody not on the islands feel? For jingoistic Argentines and Brits it is not about the rights of some shepherds and hermits i the back end of nowhere. It is a gut reaction to anything foreign.

Everyone on the islands don't count to you? The Falklands have been British as long as Argentina has been Spanish. Just because it's closer to Argentina means what?

122 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:04:35pm

re: #117 Turnabout is Fair Play

...snip. It is a gut reaction to anything foreign.

And a useful tool for domestic politics. Nothing like a Splendid Little War when you've screwed the pooch at home.

123 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:06:16pm

The Onion ran this over a year ago

124 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:06:35pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

The current list of states where they're promoting these caveman laws, as far as I know: Virginia, Alabama, N. Carolina, Illinois, Texas, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, and Pennsylvania.


Now Idaho.

125 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:07:11pm
126 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:07:28pm

re: #117 Turnabout is Fair Play

The whole issue of the Faulklands is stupid. As it is, the only reason Argentina made an issue about it at all was because the military junta that ruled them with an iron fist in the 70's and early 80's used the Faulklands as a way to distract people from the shitty economy and very real social ills in the country at the time.

A government using a war against a trumped-up enemy to distract people? Never heard of that before.

127 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:08:03pm

Uh oh.

128 shutdown  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:08:16pm

re: #121 Red Sea Desjardini Tang

Everyone on the islands don't count to you? The Falklands have been British as long as Argentina has been Spanish. Just because it's closer to Argentina means what?

Means that almost nobody give a flying rat's turd about the place. I'm not even sure why anybody here is arguing about it. I stand by my comments that the Argentines lack the ability and the Brits lack the stomach to have another war about that festering pile of nothing in the middle of nowhere. If the inhabitants want to appeal to the UN, have a ball.

Also worth pointing out: Argentina is no longer Spanish

129 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:08:45pm

re: #125 MotherMayEye

Welcome. Enjoy your stay.

130 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:08:50pm

re: #126 Lidane

The whole issue of the Faulklands is stupid. As it is, the only reason Argentina made an issue about it at all was because the military junta that ruled them with an iron fist in the 70's and early 80's used the Faulklands as a way to distract people from the shitty economy and very real social ills in the country at the time.

A government using a war against a trumped-up enemy to distract people? Never heard of that before.

That was then. Since then there are possibilities of oil offshore, so back they come, this time for money.

131 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:10:00pm

re: #125 MotherMayEye

Ah, a birther. Great.

132 shutdown  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:10:28pm

re: #125 MotherMayEye

You're kidding, or you're a sock puppet, or I missed the joke.

133 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:11:02pm

re: #131 Obdicut

Ah, a birther. Great.

See #127. //

134 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:13:04pm

re: #125 MotherMayEye

NoYouMayKnot.

135 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:13:40pm

re: #128 Turnabout is Fair Play

Means that almost nobody give a flying rat's turd about the place. I'm not even sure why anybody here is arguing about it. I stand by my comments that the Argentines lack the ability and the Brits lack the stomach to have another war about that festering pile of nothing in the middle of nowhere. If the inhabitants want to appeal to the UN, have a ball.

Also worth pointing out: Argentina is no longer Spanish

You know what I meant about Spanish. They could have been if they wanted to. The Falklands have always been British and in this case want to stay that way.

You can be unconcerned about a supposedly civilized western nation wanting to invade other territories, and take control of the citizens but some people are not unconcerned.

136 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:14:51pm

re: #125 MotherMayEye

Holy crap there's Vince Foster bullshit in there.

137 brennant  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:15:25pm

Good thing I stapled my tin foil hat on today.

138 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:15:39pm

re: #133 Gus

See #127. //

That's what I said!//

139 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:15:46pm

re: #136 Obdicut

Holy crap there's Vince Foster bullshit in there.

That's some high-octane shit. The pure distillation.

140 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:16:03pm

re: #139 Decatur Deb

It's Timecube meets Freep.

141 makeitstop  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:16:07pm

re: #131 Obdicut

Ah, a birther. Great.

But...but...debossing!

I had no idea 'debossing' was even a word prior to looking at that page.

142 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:16:17pm

re: #138 Sergey Romanov

That's what I said!//

Wow man! That's weird. Freaky!

//

143 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:16:23pm

re: #136 Obdicut

Holy crap there's Vince Foster bullshit in there.

Non-partisan Vince Foster bullshit, please.

144 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:17:13pm

re: #142 Gus

Wow man! That's weird. Freaky!

//

It's like you were leeching off my thoughts! Where's my little tin foil cap?/

145 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:17:38pm

re: #129 Decatur Deb

Welcome. Enjoy your stay.

His stay won't be long.

146 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:17:45pm

re: #143 wrenchwench

Non-partisan Vince Foster bullshit, please.

Guess we've been wrong all along. We should go back to boob puns.

147 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:17:49pm

re: #143 wrenchwench

Non-partisan Vince Foster bullshit, please.

And completely non-partisan birther.

148 makeitstop  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:18:23pm

re: #147 Sergey Romanov

And completely non-partisan PUMA birther.

FTFY

149 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:18:26pm

re: #125 MotherMayEye

derp.

150 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:18:33pm

I may also need a tin foil beardowear.

151 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:19:01pm

Falklands Island oil is probably as legitimate for the people of the UK just as much as Keystone XL oil is legitimate for the American people!

//

152 Amory Blaine  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:19:18pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

The current list of states where they're promoting these caveman laws, as far as I know: Virginia, Alabama, N. Carolina, Illinois, Texas, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, and Pennsylvania.

Here in Wisconsin too..

SB 306 is deceptively called the Coercion and Webcam Abortion Prevention Bill and contains three main components. The first component requires doctors to speak alone and in person with a woman seeking an abortion and to inform her of services for victims of domestic abuse if they believe she’s being coerced into seeking an abortion. Current Wisconsin law has a lengthy script physicians must cover with patients 24 hours prior to the procedure but it does not specify that conversation happen “face-to-face.”

The bill also eliminates the possibility of “webcam” abortions by requiring doctors examine patients in person before prescribing abortion-inducing drugs like mifepristone. In neighboring states like Iowa and Minnesota, patients living in rural areas are able to have mifepristone prescribed via online video conference. This would not be an option for women living in rural Wisconsin.

Finally, the bill requires a woman return to an abortion clinic for a follow-up visit 12 to 18 days after being given the drug. Women who take mifepristone already have a follow-up visit, but most see their primary care physician for that follow-up. This bill forces women to have that follow-up visit at an abortion clinic, putting yet another unnecessary burden on the backs of women trying to access health care services.

The bill now moves to the Assembly before heading to Gov. Scott Walker’s desk where he is expected to sign it.

Plus they are attacking women economically in Wisconsin

Equal Pay Enforcement Act On Verge Of Being Repealed By Wisconsin Republicans

In 2009, the Wisconsin legislature made it easier for victims of wage discrimination to have their day in court. That law is now on the verge of repeal.

The Equal Pay Enforcement Act was meant to deter employers from discriminating by giving workers more avenues to press charges. Among other provisions, it allows individuals to plead their cases in the less costly, more accessible state circuit court system, rather than just in federal court.

In November, the state Senate approved (SB 202) rolling back this provision. On Wednesday, the Assembly did the same. Both were party-line votes. The legislation is now in the hands of Gov. Scott Walker (R). His office did not return a request for comment on whether the governor would sign it.

Not to mention the women who lost Badgercare. The attacks are so many here I lose count.

153 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:19:36pm

re: #150 Sergey Romanov

I may also need a tin foil beardowear.

I'll put on my magic-tin-foil underwear.

//

154 brennant  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:20:06pm

re: #152 Amory Blaine

Not to mention the women who lost Badgercare. The attacks are so many here I lose count.

Googles "Badgercare"

155 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:20:36pm

re: #153 Gus

I'll put on my magic-tin-foil underwear.

//

Beware of papertincuts. Ouch!

156 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:24:13pm

re: #145 My Camera Does Not Make Me A Good Photographer

His stay won't be long.

I glanced at that BS and had to come back to see who posted it (since that is not always clear anymore).

I wonder if we will see more than one post.

157 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:57:20pm

re: #156 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

I glanced at that BS and had to come back to see who posted it (since that is not always clear anymore).

I wonder if we will see more than one post.

Nope.

158 Wayne A. Schneider  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:27:40pm

Charles, May I suggest that you use that same picture every time you report about another state requiring this procedure? That way, if any of the RW news sites want to link to LGF (so that people can know what you actually wrote and not take somebody else's word for it), they'll have to expose their readers to that image.

As James Earl Jones might say (I wish he would), "Heads gonna 'splode." :)

159 RemainCalm  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:12:02am

It is ALL about religious superstitions about embryos and zygotes. No legislation insists a male endure a urethral probe to demonstrate how his penile cavities function before prescribing Viagra. No legislation insists you have a scraping from a suspicious mole tested for cancer before having it removed in its entirety. The “informed patient” bit is a smokescreen for tyrants who want to use government force to impose their superstitious opinions about human life onto other citizens.


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