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The GOP’s Invasive Ultrasound Craze Spreads to Idaho

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The Republican Party is promoting (or has already gotten signed into law) their Neanderthal “mandatory invasive ultrasound” laws in Virginia, Alabama, N. Carolina, Illinois, Texas, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, and Pennsylvania.

And as of today, we can add Idaho to the list: Pre-Abortion Ultrasound Bill Introduced in Idaho.

The Idaho bill was introduced in the Senate State Affairs Committee this morning on a party-line vote, with only the panel’s two Democrats objecting.

“Because ultrasound is a key element of informed consent, it should be required that a woman have that before she has an abortion upon her,” Kerry Uhlenkott, legislative director of Right to Life of Idaho, told the senators. “Information empowers a women to make true, informed decisions.”

Senate Majority Leader Bart Davis, R-Idaho Falls, immediately moved to introduce the bill, and Senate President Pro-Tem Brent Hill, R-Rexburg, seconded the motion; Sens. Michelle Stennett, D-Ketchum, and Edgar Malepeai, D-Pocatello, then asked Uhlenkott questions about the bill.

“This is requiring an invasive procedure to be done possibly against someone’s wishes as part of a medical process,” Stennett said. “Do you see any contradiction in requiring someone to have a procedure like this?”

Uhlenkott responded, “No, the informed consent is vital for a woman, ultrasound is vital for a women to have, before she makes her decision on whether to have an abortion or not.”

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285 comments

1 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:07:24pm

They’re using women’s rights as some political cards and that’s just evil. Fuck the GOP.

2 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:08:08pm

The triumph of ideology over reason and decency.

3 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:10:34pm
“This is requiring an invasive procedure to be done possibly against someone’s wishes as part of a medical process,” Stennett said. “Do you see any contradiction in requiring someone to have a procedure like this?”

Uhlenkott responded, “No, the informed consent is vital for a woman, ultrasound is vital for a women to have, before she makes her decision on whether to have an abortion or not.”


You will be informed whether you want to be or not.

When my dad had his legs amputated, he didn’t ask a lot of questions and I’m pretty sure the surgeons didn’t feel that it was absolutely necessary for him to know every little detail.

4 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:10:48pm

It’s nice to know that the GOP are so focused on jobs and the economy in an election year.

5 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:13:27pm

re: #4 Lidane

It’s nice to know that the GOP are so focused on jobs and the economy in an election year.

Prediction: We’ll hear in later months that they would have had all kinds of jobs bills become law, if it weren’t for those pesky kids…er, Democrats. Even in the states with Republican governors and Republican legislative super-majorities.

6 SpaceJesus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:15:17pm

Are there jobs or answers to our economy hiding inside American women’s hoo-ha’s? Does the GOP know something I don’t?

Is that what they’re really looking for in there?

7 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:19:04pm

re: #6 SpaceJesus

Are there jobs or answers to our economy hiding inside American women’s hoo-ha’s? Does the GOP know something I don’t?

Is that what they’re really looking for in there?

They’re looking for a Presidential candidate that isn’t made of fail.

8 Kid A  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:20:58pm

Glad to see those time-tested principles of “limited government” and “individual liberty” are being so widely used by the GOP.
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9 funky chicken  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:23:38pm

re: #4 Lidane

It’s nice to know that the GOP are so focused on jobs and the economy in an election year.

Well, somebody’s gonna have to build all these ultrasound machines.

10 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:23:58pm

They don’t want women to know how to prevent a pregnancy, but once she’s pregnant, they want her to become a molecular biologist.

11 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:24:08pm

The GOP should start driving around in Toyota pick-up trucks while carrying AK-47s and commanding the population towards moral purity. Much like a country I know of.

12 SpaceJesus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:25:18pm

re: #7 Lidane

Or maybe they think they’ll strike some more shale oil. I can’t blame them. “Fraking” does kind of sound ambiguous.

13 makeitstop  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:25:51pm

re: #4 Lidane

It’s nice to know that the GOP are so focused on jobs and the economy in an election year.

The closest they’ve gotten to anything related to the economy is praying that gas prices keep going up.

14 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:26:24pm

re: #3 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII


You will be informed whether you want to be or not.

When my dad had his legs amputated, he didn’t ask a lot of questions and I’m pretty sure the surgeons didn’t feel that it was absolutely necessary for him to know every little detail.

Informed consent has its high moments.

My grandmother was told, when going in for cataract surgery, that there was a small possibility she wouldn’t come out from under the anaesthetic.

This is where the patient is supposed to gulp and sign, but my grandmother said that in that case, she wouldn’t take the chance.

They were, to put it mildly, frustrated with her.

15 Four More Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:26:30pm

Charles, I demand a full apology of the utmost sincerity from you for our Neanderthal cousins!

16 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:28:41pm

re: #15 The Right Height

Charles, I demand a full apology of the utmost sincerity from you for our Neanderthal cousins!

They’re dead, Fred.

17 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:31:19pm

re: #13 makeitstop

The closest they’ve gotten to anything related to the economy is praying that gas prices keep going up.

No! Obama ruined it all. We’d all be singing and dancing through sun-kissed meadows under rainbow skies with gumdrop smiles and swimming in rivers made of chocolate if we had done $bullshit instead of Obama’s plan.

18 dragonfire1981  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:31:31pm

Hey Charles, I think this may be spreading to my home state of Mississippi too and based on what I just read, the GOP led legislature seems to be taking a pretty sneaky approach to it.

A portion of Mississippi HB 1107, which if enacted would become law on July 1, 2012:

(i) The physician who is to perform or induce the abortion or an agent of the physician who is also a sonographer certified by a national registry of medical sonographers performs a sonogram on the woman on whom the abortion is to be performed or induced. The sonogram image must be of a quality consistent with standard medical practice in the community, shall contain the dimensions of the unborn child and shall accurately portray the presence of external members and internal organs, if present or viewable, of the unborn child;

(ii) The physician who is to perform or induce the abortion displays the sonogram images in a quality consistent with current medical practice in a manner that the woman may view them;

(iii) The physician who is to perform or induce the abortion provides, in a manner understandable to a layperson, a verbal explanation of the results of the sonogram images, including a medical description of the dimensions of the unborn child, the presence of cardiac activity, and the presence of external members and internal organs; and

(iv) The physician who is to perform or induce the abortion or an agent of the physician who is also a sonographer certified by a national registry of medical sonographers makes audible the heart auscultation of the unborn child for the woman to hear, if present, in a quality consistent with current medical practice and provides, in a manner understandable to a layperson,
a verbal explanation of the results of the sonogram images, including a medical description of the dimensions of the unborn child, the presence of cardiac activity, and the presence of external members and internal organs.

And therein lies the rub. It has to be a “quality” ultrasound. Since most abortions are done early on in pregnancy, guess what that means?

Most prenatal ultrasound procedures are performed topically, or on the surface of the skin, using a gel as a conductive medium to aid in the quality of the image. However, a transvaginal ultrasound is an alternative procedure performed using a tubular probe that is inserted into the vaginal canal. This method of ultrasound produces an image quality that is greatly enhanced, but it is not a common prenatal procedure. However, it may be used early in pregnancy to get a clearer view of the uterus or ovaries if a problem is suspected. It may also be used early in pregnancy to determine how far along you are in your pregnancy

19 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:32:49pm

So, it has come to this.

20 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:33:03pm

I think Costa Cruise Lines may be finished after this incident:

Cruise Ship Adrift in Pirate Infested Indian Ocean

More than a thousand people are awaiting rescue on the Costa Allegra cruise ship after a fire broke out on board causing the luxury liner to lose power.
The ship is adrift in the Indian Ocean more than 200 miles from the Seychelles island nation off mainland Africa, an area that is infested by pirates.

There is no way that Costa Lines can have a good reputation after this.

21 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:33:17pm

I gotta ask the question that no doubt has floated through all our minds at least once since the first bill became public, namely “What other reason do these morons think a woman seeks an abortion, if not to terminate a pregnancy she knows is ongoing?” Seriously, do they think women go into an abortion clinic and fill out the paperwork for shits and giggles?

This idea of “informed consent” giving them the authority to cram a wand up a woman and then guilt trip her with the images on the screen should be the last nail in the coffin that is “states rights.” How do you promote the idea that states should hold control over people’s civil rights when you’re simultaneously working to strip them from women on a state-by-state basis?

22 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:33:55pm

re: #19 Sergey Romanov

So, it has come to this.

Outbreak.

23 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:34:21pm

The GOP has morphed into a larval organism.

24 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:34:38pm

The GOP tapeworm of morality.

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25 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:35:36pm

Can’t wait to see the Obama landslide


Maybe we’ll get some GOP fatties crying on the house floor about how the negra gonna abort all them babies with his sharia

26 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:36:05pm

re: #22 Gus

Outbreak.

Seriously, is there some Institution for Heinous Bullshit think-tank out there drafting legislation for all these yahoos, or what? Why are all the states suddenly coming up with this all at the same time?

27 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:37:46pm

re: #26 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

Seriously, is there some Institution for Heinous Bullshit think-tank out there drafting legislation for all these yahoos, or what? Why are all the states suddenly coming up with this all at the same time?

it’s coordinated, they’re still very organized

just because they want to go back to the middle ages doesn’t mean the banksters and the fat cats aren’t shoveling money into the machine, keeping the organization running

28 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:39:03pm

Also, I LOVE that Stratfor is being exposed by Anon, best thing ever


Many a tangle I have gotten into online with some buzzcut wanna-be army GOP internet twit who was like OMG STRATFOR

29 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:39:06pm

re: #18 dragonfire1981

If they want a really good look at the ‘unborn child’ embryo, they should bring it out into the daylight where everyone can get a good look.

/semi

30 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:40:01pm

re: #21 Targetpractice

How do you promote the idea that states should hold control over people’s civil rights when you’re simultaneously working to strip them from women on a state-by-state basis?

Because the same yahoos talking about states’ rights only care about rich, white, Christian, male landowners. You know, the people the Constitution applied to when it was first drafted.

Women? Gays? Minorities? Pfft. They don’t have rights. They don’t matter. It’s all about the oppressed white man who can’t catch a break.

31 blueraven  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:42:11pm

I am sick of these assholes.
I have been making my own decisions for years and I dont need no damn help from the GOP.
My daughter is 23 and quite capable of making her own decisions too. She is just as capable as my 21 year old son. Why should she be treated differently?
Whats next? No birth control pills?
Will they ban condoms?

32 darthstar  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:42:14pm

Idaho wants the wand now? It’s probably got a scope mounted on it.

33 Four More Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:43:26pm

Still waiting for them to mandate that the letter “A” be tattooed above the vagina after an abortion is conducted.

34 Amory Blaine  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:44:20pm
35 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:44:37pm

re: #31 blueraven

I am sick of these assholes.
I have been making my own decisions for years and I dont need no damn help from the GOP.
My daughter is 23 and quite capable of making her own decisions too. She is just as capable as my 21 year old son. Why should she be treated differently?
Whats next? No birth control pills?
Will they ban condoms?

The two “personhood bills,” the next weapon in their war on women, I’ve seen so far have been written so broadly that they effectively ban several forms of contraception. Not “limit,” not “require prescriptions,” outright ban. So yeah, it’s not impossible to believe that the GOP’s next target will be contraception.

36 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:45:16pm

re: #33 The Right Height

Let’s not give them any ideas.

37 Four More Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:45:35pm

re: #31 blueraven

I am sick of these assholes.
I have been making my own decisions for years and I dont need no damn help from the GOP.
My daughter is 23 and quite capable of making her own decisions too. She is just as capable as my 21 year old son. Why should she be treated differently?
Whats next? No birth control pills?
Will they ban condoms?

Hm. I’m curious now about how much is spent by big pharma to lobby against laws that threaten contraception.

38 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:46:01pm

re: #34 Amory Blaine

Read the comments for this very vital product.

A 45 gal barrel? Just how much tail do you get?

39 erik_t  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:46:06pm

re: #34 Amory Blaine

Read the comments for this very vital product.

If you go on down to our local Abortionplex, they let you dispense right into your own household containers!

40 blueraven  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:47:37pm

re: #37 The Right Height

Hm. I’m curious now about how much is spent by big pharma to lobby against laws that threaten contraception.

And Health Insurance co. too, I would think.

41 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:50:13pm

re: #31 blueraven

Will they ban condoms?

Well, according to noted crazy person David Barton, life begins before conception, so why not?

Sure makes calculating birthdays difficult, though. And contract law? Hell, everyone’s now billions of years old (or at least thousands, depending) so I suspect lots of ink is going to get spilled.

42 darthstar  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:50:51pm

re: #34 Amory Blaine

Read the comments for this very vital product.

I think I’ll stick with foreplay.

43 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:52:08pm

re: #42 darthstar

I seriously doubt a couple could have sex often enough to justify that much lube.

44 darthstar  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:56:11pm

re: #43 ProGunLiberal

I seriously doubt a couple could have sex often enough to justify that much lube.

One 55 gallon drum can make up to 5,000 gallons of Santorum though.

45 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:57:26pm

re: #43 ProGunLiberal

I seriously doubt a couple could have sex often enough to justify that much lube.

A porn studio, OTOH, probably goes through that much in a month. Heh.

46 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:57:48pm

re: #44 darthstar

I think I’m gonna hurl.

47 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:00:24pm

re: #34 Amory Blaine

Read the comments for this very vital product.

The only downside is that I can’t read that with my kids in the room. When they hear me laughing that loud, they have to come and see what the joke is.

48 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:02:44pm

Just downloaded The Oregon Trail video game for the tablet.

Boys will be occupied for the rest of the afternoon, although I’m likely to lose one to snakebite or dysentery now.

49 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:02:46pm

The little dark part of my personality is suggesting that the Dems might kill this issue permanently by bringing it up in the US Congress, suggesting if the GOP wants so badly to force this on women, they might as well skip the middleman and make it a national policy.

Or have Obama come out and endorse it. The GOP would be like rats from a sinking ship.

50 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:02:53pm

Another kook bites the dust.

51 darthstar  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:03:06pm

Watching the clip of Santorum calling President Obama a ‘snob’ for wanting people to go to college.

What a fucking idiot.

52 darthstar  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:04:01pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Another kook bites the dust.

Slap some lube on him and send him down the slip-n-slide to RedState.

53 erik_t  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:04:41pm

re: #48 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Just downloaded The Oregon Trail video game for the tablet.

Boys will be occupied for the rest of the afternoon, although I’m likely to lose one to snakebite or dysentery now.

If you can shoot in more than eight directions, it’s not really Oregon Trail.

54 dragonfire1981  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:08:54pm

Image: 3.PNG

Classic Oregon trail at its finest. I love that game.

55 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:11:27pm

[Link: www.oregontrail.com…]

You can play the game in all its original clunky glory.

Apparently my son just had a child carried off by a bird.

Pretty sure that didn’t happen on the real Oregon Trail.

(I did have an ancestor whose daughter got her leg run over by a cart.)

56 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:12:24pm

re: #55 To hold my temper, most of the time.

That must be one hell of a bird.

57 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:12:40pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Another kook bites the dust.

What, did I miss out on the fun? Whine.

58 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:13:44pm

re: #57 thedopefishlives

What, did I miss out on the fun? Whine.

Just another Birther.

59 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:13:51pm

re: #56 ProGunLiberal

That must be one hell of a bird.

I didn’t actually see it.

The cart, on the other hand, was probably a typical actual meat-world wagon cart, and it’s amazing she lived.

60 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:15:30pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

Just another Birther.

Sigh. At least it wasn’t something fun. Nirtherism is just too easy.

61 erik_t  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:18:39pm

re: #54 dragonfire1981

Image: 3.PNG

Classic Oregon trail at its finest. I love that game.

That’s not classic. I see colors other than green.

62 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:20:22pm

re: #51 darthstar

Watching the clip of Santorum calling President Obama a ‘snob’ for wanting people to go to college when Santorum has more degrees than Obama.

Priceless.

FTFY ;)

63 engineer cat  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:23:05pm

Santorum Wins Presidency Of 15th And 17th Centuries!

must qualify as head of inquisition to assume office, will be tested on transubstantiation and indulgences

Romney Takes 19th Century As Consolation Prize

ron paul sighted in oort cloud; gingrich pacified with dog toys

64 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:24:01pm

re: #63 engineer cat

And he’s openly reaching for the Dems to vote for him:

Santorum Robocall Asks Michigan Dems To Vote For Him (AUDIO)

It has been confirmed that a robocall making the rounds in Michigan the day before the state’s GOP primary comes from the Rick Santorum campaign and urges Democrats to vote for Santorum and against Mitt Romney. TPM obtained audio of the call Monday afternoon.

Santorum spokesman Hogan Gidley confirmed to TPM that the camp was indeed footing the bill. “If we can get the Reagan Democrats in the primary, we can get them in the general,” he told TPM.

65 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:24:25pm

An interesting article: How Israel might strike at Iran

66 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:24:25pm

re: #63 engineer cat

Santorum Wins Presidency Of 15th And 17th Centuries!

must qualify as head of inquisition to assume office, will be tested on transubstantiation and indulgences

Romney Takes 19th Century As Consolation Prize

ron paul sighted in oort cloud; gingrich pacified with dog toys

The 19th century wasn’t so hot for Mormons. Maybe he could take the 20th century.

67 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:24:41pm

re: #64 Lidane

And he’s openly reaching for the Dems to vote for him:

Santorum Robocall Asks Michigan Dems To Vote For Him (AUDIO)

“Reagan Democrats”? Aren’t those extinct?

68 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:25:00pm

Oh brother. Rick Santorum today:

“We need to look at the situation of gas prices today. We went into a recession in 2008 because of gasoline prices,” Santorum said in a speech Monday afternoon.

“The bubble burst in housing because people couldn’t pay their mortgages because we’re looking at $4 a gallon gasoline. And look at what happened, economic decline,” he added.

69 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:26:02pm

re: #61 erik_t

That’s not classic. I see colors other than green.

How many here had a Hercules Graphics Card? :D

70 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:26:04pm

re: #68 Gus

Oh brother. Rick Santorum today:

What in the hell is he smoking, and where can I get some?

/Actually, I wouldn’t want any of that, if it messes up my brain that bad

71 erik_t  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:26:58pm

re: #64 Lidane

“Santorum spokesman Hogan Gidley confirmed to TPM that the camp was indeed footing the bill. “If we can get the Reagan Democrats in the primary, we can get them in the general,” he told TPM.”

Trippin’ balls.

72 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:27:01pm

re: #68 Gus

Oh brother. Rick Santorum today:

Translation: “Forget everything you remember before ‘09, because nothing happened that makes the GOP look bad and/or incompetent.”

73 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:27:54pm

re: #68 Gus

Revisionist history isn’t just for the old times. They try to pull that same shit with things that happened yesterday, too.

74 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:28:15pm

re: #67 Targetpractice

“Reagan Democrats”? Aren’t those extinct?

Pretty much. They’re just like the “moderate Republican” — an endangered species that used to roam around, but which has been hunted to near extinction since 9/11 and with increased fervor since 2008.

76 engineer cat  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:29:18pm

The bubble burst in housing because people couldn’t pay their mortgages because we’re looking at $4 a gallon gasoline

i see. housing prices went up at 3 times the rate that wages did between 1980 and 2008 because of the effect that $4.00/gallon gasoline in 2008 exerted retroactively on the past

got it

77 calochortus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:29:23pm

re: #4 Lidane

It’s nice to know that the GOP are so focused on jobs and the economy in an election year.

They are focused on jobs for men-perpetually pregnant women and women with small children have trouble working outside the home. They can’t afford unsubsidized daycare, so they have to find a man to support them. It’s a win-win. Women are out of the workforce opening up jobs for men, and they’re home breeding as they should be./

78 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:30:14pm

re: #76 engineer cat

The bubble burst in housing because people couldn’t pay their mortgages because we’re looking at $4 a gallon gasoline

i see. housing prices went up at 3 times the rate that wages did between 1980 and 2008 because of the effect that $4.00/gallon gasoline in 2008 exerted retroactively on the past

got it

Yes, and clearly predatory lending practices were because investment bankers weren’t making enough money because of the cost of driving their Hummers around.

79 engineer cat  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:30:22pm

footing the bill

i don’t hold with these pedophiles and their perverted sexual practices

80 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:31:27pm

re: #76 engineer cat

The bubble burst in housing because people couldn’t pay their mortgages because we’re looking at $4 a gallon gasoline

i see. housing prices went up at 3 times the rate that wages did between 1980 and 2008 because of the effect that $4.00/gallon gasoline in 2008 exerted retroactively on the past

got it

Yeah, remember all that shit that the Right’s been claiming was the real cause of the housing burst, from minority loans to Freddie and Fran? No you don’t, they never claimed any of that. Everybody always knew that gas prices caused the housing burst!

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81 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:32:26pm

re: #78 thedopefishlives

Yes, and clearly predatory lending practices were because investment bankers weren’t making enough money because of the cost of driving their Hummers around.

Pay no mind to all that robo-signing!

//

82 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:33:03pm

re: #64 Lidane

And he’s openly reaching for the Dems to vote for him:

Santorum Robocall Asks Michigan Dems To Vote For Him (AUDIO)

When I get home there are going to be a shitload of robocalls on my voice mail.

83 calochortus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:34:40pm

I got a robo call from a candidate in Wisconsin last night. Only problem with that is that I live in California. I didn’t stay on the line long enough to find out if there was a point to the call.

84 engineer cat  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:36:12pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

Yeah, remember all that shit that the Right’s been claiming was the real cause of the housing burst, from minority loans to Freddie and Fran? No you don’t, they never claimed any of that. Everybody always knew that gas prices caused the housing burst!

///

yeah - but actually, the most popular explanation found among freepers, it seems, is that the housing bust was cause by demokratts forcing poor innocent bankers to sell houses to negroes “unqualified minorities”

ok! right! that’s not racist! ///

85 erik_t  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:39:08pm

re: #84 engineer cat

yeah - but actually, the most popular explanation found among freepers, it seems, is that the housing bust was cause by demokratts forcing poor innocent bankers to sell houses to negroes “unqualified minorities”

ok! right! that’s not racist! ///

This naturally explains why near-downtown neighborhoods are a ghost town here, while the exurban McMansion rows are thriving and vibrant.

/

86 makeitstop  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:39:32pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Romney Or Riley: Who sports the meaner slickback?

Gotta go with Riles on that one.

Mitt’s a pretender when it comes to the slickback. Riley was the visual inspiration for Gordon Gekko, after all.

87 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:40:30pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Romney Or Riley: Who sports the meaner slickback?

Pat Riley, of course.

Also, if you want to kill some time today:

[Link: procatinator.com…]

88 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:41:49pm

re: #87 Lidane

Pat Riley, of course.

Also, if you want to kill some time today:

[Link: procatinator.com…]

*shakes fist at screen* Curse you.

89 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:44:13pm

re: #88 thedopefishlives

*shakes fist at screen* Curse you.

The Flashdance one is especially hilarious. Haha.

90 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:46:18pm

re: #89 Lidane

I got the “Oh Yeah” cat first.

91 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:47:59pm

re: #90 ProGunLiberal

I got the “Oh Yeah” cat first.

Another great one:

[Link: procatinator.com…]

92 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:48:00pm

I just saw a cat swinging at air from a Hair Dryer to the tune of “Winds of Change” by the Scorpions.

[Link: procatinator.com…]

93 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:49:34pm

re: #92 ProGunLiberal

I just cat a cat swinging at air from a Hair Dryer to the tune of “Winds of Change” by the Scorpions.

I can’t make heads or tails of your sentence, but +1 for Scorpions.

94 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:49:41pm

It’s the Apococat!

[Link: procatinator.com…]

95 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:50:09pm

re: #93 Sergey Romanov

I saw a cat. I goofed up words.

96 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:50:43pm
97 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:54:04pm
98 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:55:15pm

re: #97 Sergey Romanov

[Embedded content]

Here, where the lonely hooting owl
Sends forth his midnight moans,
Fierce wolves shall o’er my carcase growl,
Or buzzards pick my bones.

99 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:56:19pm

Gentlemen, I found the weird one.

[Link: procatinator.com…]

100 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:57:17pm

stay classy, houston [Link: www.wfaa.com…]

101 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 3:59:56pm

re: #99 ProGunLiberal

And I found the scaly romance one:

[Link: procatinator.com…]

Haha.

102 engineer cat  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:00:06pm

ok, here’s a little pomelet from that growing genre, random email spam poetry…

“my little quote. I looked at the sky. The sky is beautiful. I looked at you. I looked at the sky na lang ulit. awesome as abattoir employees”

kthxwtf?

103 Kid A  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:01:05pm

Mitt Romney, ever the populist:

Mitt Romney went to the Daytona 500 NASCAR race Sunday for what should have been a chance to show he’s one of the guys. Instead, in casual conversation with an Associated Press reporter at the Florida track, he reminded people once again that he is not exactly a regular Joe.

Asked by the AP reporter if he follows NASCAR, Romney responded, “Not as closely as some of the most ardent fans. But I have some great friends who are NASCAR team owners.”

Your text to link…

104 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:01:55pm

re: #103 Stop Asking Me How Much My 400mm 2.8 Costs, Jerk

Mitt Romney, ever the populist:

Your text to link…

*deadpan* My, how humble of him. Truly a son of the soil, he is.

105 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:02:51pm

re: #102 engineer cat

Oh, I used to get things like this in Russian from “Fox Jovovic”. (S)he’s something of a phenomenon with lots of fans. Some of them can be quite poetic indeed.

106 shutdown  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:06:25pm

Quick thought: Shouldn’t men be forced to have a probe inserted in their urethra with a fiberoptic camera at the end to show them the inner workings of their nutsack before having a vasectomy?

107 freetoken  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:07:56pm

A cold and rainy day today here in sunny Southern California…

re: #103 Stop Asking Me How Much My 400mm 2.8 Costs, Jerk

Mitt Romney, ever the populist:

Your text to link…

At least he’s not at his seaside mansion in La Jolla, where “his friends” are suffering cold rain.

108 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:08:19pm

re: #106 Turnabout is Fair Play

Quick thought: Shouldn’t men be forced to have a probe inserted in their urethra with a fiberoptic camera at the end to show them the inner workings of their nutsack before having a vasectomy?

I’m more in favor of a mandatory prostate exam, no exceptions, before they get Viagra or Cialis prescriptions. Oh, and no insurance coverage for either drug, either.

109 shutdown  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:10:21pm

re: #107 freetoken

At least my monied friends have the good sense to keep their traps shut about their good fortune, these days.

110 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:10:25pm

re: #106 Turnabout is Fair Play

Quick thought: Shouldn’t men be forced to have a probe inserted in their urethra with a fiberoptic camera at the end to show them the inner workings of their nutsack before having a vasectomy?

Yeah, that’s another thing that should be getting a lot of play, but isn’t, that the Catholic Church considers vasectomies to be on the same moral level as abortions. Yet there’s been no national effort to ban it as there has been for abortions.

Then again, this is just one of several places where the GOP basically ignores the very Church that supposedly is dictating its war against women.

111 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:13:51pm

re: #110 Targetpractice

Yeah, that’s another thing that should be getting a lot of play, but isn’t, that the Catholic Church considers vasectomies to be on the same moral level as abortions. Yet there’s been no national effort to ban it as there has been for abortions.

Then again, this is just one of several places where the GOP basically ignores the very Church that supposedly is dictating its war against women.

Because men are not the problem. Women are the problem.

112 sunnygal  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:16:07pm

Not only Idaho, but Alabama, is trying to pass this law. I’ve had it. So have a lot of other women. There is a National March Against the War on Women scheduled for April 28, 2012, between 10 a.m. and 2 p.m. in D.C. and in every state capitol. You can find out about it here:

[Link: www.facebook.com…]

113 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:18:42pm

re: #111 thedopefishlives

Because men are not the problem. Women are the problem.

That’s so true on so many levels in Christendom. It’s depressing as all hell.

114 SpaceJesus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:19:34pm

Picture of gay marine’s homecoming has hit the web. Free Republic is thrilled.

[Link: www.freerepublic.com…]

115 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:21:32pm

re: #113 Lidane

That’s so true on so many levels in Christendom. It’s depressing as all hell.

I applaud the more liberal branches of my religion that recognize that women are not to be feared, but respected. The Quakers, though not without faults of their own, at least have the right idea here in that all men and women are equal before God.

116 freetoken  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:22:11pm

re: #109 Turnabout is Fair Play

At least my monied friends have the good sense to keep their traps shut about their good fortune, these days.

Romney’s at a point in this life where he can’t help but brag - it’s part of the male ego, and since his claim to notoriety of manhood is his wealth (versus, say, hand to hand battle in combat, or being a great inventor or writer, etc.) when he discusses his own actualization as a man it will be his wealth that often surfaces.

117 SpaceJesus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:22:39pm
Thanks, all you “fiscal conservatives,” for calling a “truce” on social issues. Hope you’re happy.

48 posted on Monday, February 27, 2012 12:00:27 PM by fwdude

Oh the winger tears. What a horrible hate-filled world these people live in

118 shutdown  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:22:47pm

re: #116 freetoken

Romney’s at a point in this life where he can’t help but brag - it’s part of the male ego, and since his claim to notoriety of manhood is his wealth (versus, say, hand to hand battle in combat, or being a great inventor or writer, etc.) when he discusses his own actualization as a man it will be his wealth that often surfaces.

Sad, but true. Good analysis.

119 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:22:58pm

re: #114 SpaceJesus

Yah, we’ve partaken of their joy a couple of threads ago.

120 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:23:07pm

re: #117 SpaceJesus

Oh the winger tears. What a horrible hate-filled world these people live in

Ah, wingnut tears. A delicious sauce with which to season gamey troll buttocks.

121 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:24:33pm

re: #117 SpaceJesus

Oh the winger tears. What a horrible hate-filled world these people live in

Nothing quite like the sweet taste of schadenfreude.

122 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:27:05pm

re: #114 SpaceJesus

Picture of gay marine’s homecoming has hit the web. Free Republic is thrilled.

[Link: www.freerepublic.com…]

Yeah. Fuck ‘em. That Marine pulled three deployments in four years and deserves his happiness just like anyone else. Besides, it’s a beautiful photo.

OTOH, if a photo of a gay Marine kissing the man he loves is enough to keep the Freepers and their fellow troglodytes out of the military, then I say bring on more gay Marines kissing their partners when they come home from war.

123 jaunte  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:29:43pm

Planned Parenthood to Close Odessa Clinic Due to Lack of Funding 2/24/12

Midland, TX - The Odessa Planned Parenthood office is shutting its doors for good. Without the state funding they depend on, they say they have no other choice.

State leaders signed a rule yesterday that shuts off funding from the Texas Women’s Health Program to Planned Parenthood or any other abortion provider. As a result, Planned Parenthood of West Texas made the decision to close its Odessa clinic.

The Women’s Health Program is a Medicaid waiver program serving nearly 124,000 Texas women.

“They depend on this for basic needs like birth control, annual exams, cancer screenings,” explains Planned Parenthood of West Texas CEO & President Karen Pieper Hildebrand.
…snip…
Because of the state’s decision to withdraw funding, federal money is also now in jeopardy. The Obama Administration says this move is a deal breaker and could take away the $40 million federal Medicaid program provided to the state

Just to clarify, the Odessa clinic does not offer abortion services.

124 freetoken  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:31:34pm

Sadly, and not unexpectedly, some in media chatterbox have given up their own standards for revenge:

Peter Gleick lied, but was it justified by the wider good?

Gleick has been criticised for how his Heartland Institute probe, but perhaps more climate scientists should play dirty

[…]

Suppose you stop a friend from driving after he’s had too many drinks by slipping his keys in your pocket and lying about it until you manage to drive him home yourself. Sometimes lying is the right thing to do – a lie isn’t just wrong full stop. We think through the moral side of our lives with a mixed bag of ideas, but consequences and intentions have a central place here. Maybe lying about the keys is morally right because the consequences of lying are better than the consequences of telling the truth. Or maybe the lie was right because of your intentions – you were trying to prevent harm coming to your friend, not trying to steal his car.

You can see where I’m headed. Gleick’s intentions matter when we try to work out whether he was wrong to lie. It’s worth noticing that he wasn’t lying for personal gain. What resonates for me, though, are the consequences of his action. If Gleick frustrates the efforts of Heartland, isn’t his lie justified by the good that it does?

[…]

Yes, I can see where you (James Garvey) are heading: the ends justify the means.

Problem is, once one starts down this path it can be used to justify just about anything.

And, there is a big difference between deceiving a friend at the moment of a poor decision, say your drunk friend who’s about to drive his car off a cliff, and a planned ruse to sidestep laws that exist in society, whether we like those laws or not.

125 freetoken  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:33:23pm

The last paragraph of Garvey’s, which I didn’t quote, is inane. Comparing Dawkins fighting creationism in schools to Gleick lying to get private documents is just stupid.

126 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:35:19pm

re: #124 freetoken

It’s silly even on a practical level. What Gleick did probably destroyed his career (and that is even without discussing the question of whether he was the real author of the strategy memo). Many other climate scientists should sacrifice their careers? WTF.

127 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:35:27pm

re: #123 jaunte

Planned Parenthood to Close Odessa Clinic Due to Lack of Funding 2/24/12

And the calendar gets turned back even more.

128 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:35:59pm

re: #114 SpaceJesus


I love their comments, you can just smell the right wing beardo old man the-world-is-changing-around-us smell :D

Disgusting! Absolutely disgusting! I can’t believe that we’ve sat back and let obama and his merry band of communist usurpers, including the syncophantic military leaders, civilian and active duty, do this to our country. If we don’t put the brakes on damn soon it wil be too late!

It’s already too late for you, old man, get in the grave and shut up

130 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:36:38pm

re: #128 windupbird is in the gravity well

“But I’m not dead yet!” (c)

131 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:36:47pm

Another great freeper:

Frankly, I wouldn’t want my son, or daughter for that matter, anywhere near the US Military right now. Not until our Resident in chief has been railroaded out of DC.

Support the troops lol GOP

132 freetoken  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:36:51pm

I still maintain that one reason why “climategate” became as big news as it did is because it served the purpose of UK media, for them to have a UK story about which to write (versus the dominance of American, Middle Eastern, and Asian news).

And that includes such supposedly enlightened, liberal media like the Guardian and the BBC. They milked the “climategate” story for far more than they should, when it really was an open and closed case of email theft of scientists who were just grousing about being badgered by meaningless FOIA requests.

133 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:38:25pm

re: #132 freetoken


it’s all right, we’re fucked regardless re: climate change :D

The pigs own too much

134 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:39:27pm

re: #128 windupbird is in the gravity well

I love their comments, you can just smell the right wing beardo old man the-world-is-changing-around-us smell :D

Disgusting! Absolutely disgusting! I can’t believe that we’ve sat back and let obama and his merry band of communist usurpers, including the syncophantic military leaders, civilian and active duty, do this to our country. If we don’t put the brakes on damn soon it wil be too late!

It’s already too late for you, old man, get in the grave and shut up

Shouldn’t that be sycophantic, not syncophantic, or are military leaders out of sync instead of being in lock step?

135 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:40:04pm

re: #134 Flaming Dumpster

It’s already too late for you, old man, get in the grave and shut up

Shouldn’t that be sycophantic, not syncophantic, or are military leaders out of sync instead of being in lock step?

heehee

136 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:40:34pm

re: #131 windupbird is in the gravity well

Support the troops lol GOP

I still say that Maureen Dowd got it right:

The Republicans, with their crazed Reagan fixation, are a last-gasp party, living posthumously, fighting battles on sex, race, immigration and public education long ago won by the other side.

They’re trying to roll back the clock, but time is passing them by.

137 freetoken  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:40:50pm

re: #133 windupbird is in the gravity well

My concern here isn’t so much about climate change, but of society and the ability to tell the truth, and to distinguish truth from lies, and the importance of probity even in these times.

We may be doomed because of many actions on our part and the subsequent results, including climate change, but one can still choose to be an honorable person or not.

138 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:42:06pm

Heh. I thought Michael Ben Ari’s ban from entering the US would explode over the wingnut blogs but it seems it hasn’t happened. Strange.

What I also found is that Nelson Mandela couldn’t enter the US legally (except in an official capacity) until July 2008.

139 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:42:33pm

re: #133 windupbird is in the gravity well

it’s all right, we’re fucked regardless re: climate change :D

The pigs own too much

Too bad they aren’t pigs on the wing.

140 SpaceJesus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:43:27pm

re: #122 Lidane

I would pay money to see a freeper who could run 5 miles

141 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:44:31pm

re: #140 SpaceJesus

I would pay money to see a freeper who could run 5 miles

You might find one who could roll downhill 5 miles.

142 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:44:39pm

Plane made emergency landing at Newark-Liberty - no injuries, but the United Airlines plane’s front landing gear collapsed. 65 passengers evacuated via the chutes. Major delays at the airport (was closed for a while, but one runway has reopened).

143 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:50:03pm

re: #140 SpaceJesus

I would pay money to see a freeper who could run 5 miles

I’ll settle for one who has a functional IQ over 100, or who lives in the real world. Case in point:

99.9% of the Sergeants Majors, Captains, Majors, and Colonels around you would like to have you and your sodomite buddy dragged out back and at the very least pistolwhipped until the dishonorable discharge paperwork is ready, idiot.

In what military would that happen? Is this the Team America Fuck Yeah military that’s run by Rambo and Chuck Norris, or is it the one that actually exists?

144 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:50:22pm

re: #128 windupbird is in the gravity well

I love their comments, you can just smell the right wing beardo old man the-world-is-changing-around-us smell :D

It’s already too late for you, old man, get in the grave and shut up

Yeah, the same generals and admirals who they were lionizing months ago for suggesting that there might be problems with implementing a post-DADT military now are “sycophants” for not speaking out against such a military.

“We support the troops,” my ass.

145 Stan the Demanded Plan  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:53:17pm

re: #144 Targetpractice

Yeah, the same generals and admirals who they were lionizing months ago for suggesting that there might be problems with implementing a post-DADT military now are “sycophants” for not speaking out against such a military.

“We support the troops,” my ass.

The hypocrisy is startling to those who’ve followed politics over the years. Flip flopping = kiss of death THEN
Not worshiping the troops = kiss of death THEN

Too tired to go on, there are more.

146 freetoken  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:56:38pm

Survey: San Diegans subscribe to climate change more than national average

A public opinion poll performed by the San Diego Regional Climate Education Partnership and released Monday suggests that San Diegans are consistently more inclined than others around the country to say climate change is occurring and that it poses significant threats to the regional environment.

The partnership, funded by a National Science Foundation grant and formed by the University of San Diego, conducted a countywide public opinion survey of 1,011 residents Oct. 6-19, 2011. According to USD, survey results showed that 68 percent of respondents knew that gasoline engines and electricity generation emit carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and 54 percent think that a rise in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is a major cause of increased temperatures. Seventy-nine percent expressed concern for the potential impacts of a changing climate and 65 percent feel there is a scientific consensus regarding the science of climate change.

[…]

The San Diego metropolitan area is usually thought of as slightly more “conservative” than most large cities, and has long been a stronghold for the Republican party.

However, there are also many college graduates here, and it is home to Scripps Institute of Oceanography and many USN facilities… lots of smart people.

Yet for only 54% of those surveyed to accept what is pretty much a cut and dried piece of science - that changing the atmosphere by adding more gas opaque to infra red light will change the equilibrium temperature of the atmosphere (given all other variables constant) - is pretty sad in itself, sort of like only a third of American accepting evolution by natural means as the cause of the various species on the planet.

147 Four More Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:57:46pm

re: #144 Targetpractice

Yeah, the same generals and admirals who they were lionizing months ago for suggesting that there might be problems with implementing a post-DADT military now are “sycophants” for not speaking out against such a military.

“We support the troops,” my ass.

Best way to earn their support is to find a couple of enemy corpses and drop trou.

148 SpaceJesus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 4:59:51pm

re: #143 Lidane

Their idea of the military comes from watching John Wayne and pretending to be in the Green Berets on internet forums. Their kind will go extinct in 30 years.

149 erik_t  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:01:03pm

re: #147 The Right Height

Best way to earn their support is to find a couple of enemy corpses and drop trou.

Probably also why women don’t belong in combat roles.

150 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:02:23pm

re: #148 SpaceJesus

Their idea of the military comes from watching John Wayne and pretending to be in the Green Berets on internet forums. Their kind will go extinct in 30 years.

The movie “Green Berets” is probably more realistic than anything you’ll hear from the Freepers.

//

151 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:02:28pm
152 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:03:19pm

Screen Berets

153 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:03:49pm

re: #148 SpaceJesus

Their idea of the military comes from watching John Wayne and pretending to be in the Green Berets on internet forums. Their kind will go extinct in 30 years.

Nah, then they’ll be replaced with the CoD jackoffs who think that playing war games is all the experience you need to know what being in the military is like.

155 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:05:36pm

re: #143 Lidane

I’ll settle for one who has a functional IQ over 100, or who lives in the real world. Case in point:

In what military would that happen? Is this the Team America Fuck Yeah military that’s run by Rambo and Chuck Norris, or is it the one that actually exists?

Rambo and Chuck Norris would never make the cut for Team America, I’m afraid.
Image: GarysEndTable1.jpg

156 jamesfirecat  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:05:43pm

re: #152 Gus

Screen Berets

101rst chairborn.

157 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:06:05pm

re: #156 jamesfirecat

101rst chairborn.

US Chair Force

158 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:07:17pm

re: #157 Gus

US Morones

159 Four More Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:07:28pm

re: #154 Lidane

And in other news we have the Santorum campaign making robocalls to Dems trying to get the vote out for him…

160 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:07:31pm

re: #157 Gus

US Chair Force

Chairborne Rangers.

161 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:08:08pm

re: #157 Gus

What do you think the chances are of Obama participating in an attack on Iran? He’s pretty hawkish, I think he might do it.

162 Four More Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:08:19pm

Lazy Seals.

163 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:08:25pm

re: #160 Targetpractice

US Barmy

164 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:09:11pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

What do you think the chances are of Obama participating in an attack on Iran? He’s pretty hawkish, I think he might do it.

I think he’d be a fool to do so and could pretty much kiss his reelection chances goodbye.

165 jamesfirecat  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:09:11pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

What do you think the chances are of Obama participating in an attack on Iran? He’s pretty hawkish, I think he might do it.

He’s against stupid wars and a US lead war on Iran (as opposed to an Israel lead war on Iran) would in my opinion be a stupid war that would get us locked into rebuilding YET ANOTHER middle eastern country

166 freetoken  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:09:46pm

Today’s news:

EPA Requests Comment on 17th Annual U.S. Greenhouse Gas Inventory

[…]

The draft report shows that in 2010, overall greenhouse gas (GHGs) emissions increased by 3.3 percent from the previous year. This trend is attributed to an increase in energy consumption across all economic sectors, due to increasing energy demand associated with an expansion in the economy. There was also an increase in air conditioning use due to warmer summer weather during 2010. Total emissions from GHGs were about 6,866 million metric tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) equivalent. Overall, emissions have grown by 11 percent from 1990 to 2010.

[…]

167 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:09:53pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

What do you think the chances are of Obama participating in an attack on Iran? He’s pretty hawkish, I think he might do it.

He might. Would likely be after January of next year. Which could mean several years after that. Nothing anytime soon since Obama will insist on letting the sanctions play out first. IMO.

168 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:10:35pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

What do you think the chances are of Obama participating in an attack on Iran? He’s pretty hawkish, I think he might do it.

Hawkish, yes. Stupid, no. He’s not going to get us involved in Iran without a damned good reason.

169 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:11:18pm

I wanna be a Chairborne Ranger…

170 Four More Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:11:24pm

I serioisly doubt he would allow us to attack unilaterally.

171 freetoken  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:11:42pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

What do you think the chances are of Obama participating in an attack on Iran? He’s pretty hawkish, I think he might do it.

He could be talked into it, but I don’t think he’ll be gung-ho to do it on his own.

Reality - many nations have ties to Iran from which they can’t detangle themselves easily. This has been the constraint on all American Presidents since Jimmy Carter, in our ability to act in Iran at our will.

172 Stan the Demanded Plan  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:11:55pm

My goodness, would the right then accept Obama as their President if he did?

Whatta joke.

173 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:12:17pm

re: #170 The Right Height

I serioisly doubt he would allow us to attack unilaterally.

Yeah. All of that as well. Russia. China. It’s complicated.

174 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:12:26pm

re: #170 The Right Height

I serioisly doubt he would allow us to attack unilaterally.

Thing is that any attempt to build a coalition through the UN, which would be the first tactic, would be fruitless. Russia and China are dead-set against any war and will have no compunction against vetoing any attempt to move such an effort through the Security Council.

175 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:12:49pm

re: #172 College is GOOD you asshat.

My goodness, would the right then accept Obama as their President if he did?

Whatta joke.

Nope.

176 Four More Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:13:03pm

re: #172 College is GOOD you asshat.

My goodness, would the right then accept Obama as their President if he did?

Whatta joke.

The second the first bomb were to drop we’d start hearing about how bad an idea it was.

177 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:13:22pm

I don’t think Obama is hawkish at all. Being ready to use military force when necessary is not being hawkish, it’s being reasonable.

178 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:13:26pm

re: #172 College is GOOD you asshat.

My goodness, would the right then accept Obama as their President if he did?

Whatta joke.

Nope, it would just be the latest of their flip-flops, namely “Obama took us into a pointless war to get reelected!!!”

179 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:13:38pm

re: #164 Targetpractice

I think he’d be a fool to do so and could pretty much kiss his reelection chances goodbye.

I don’t know about that. I haven’t seen the polling on the issue but I’m pretty sure it’ll cost him a big chuck of his base.

180 Stan the Demanded Plan  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:13:54pm

re: #175 Gus

Nope.

Like I said before, the hypocrisy would be STUNNING.

They would talk about a non-paid for war.

A nation builder president

INNOCENT PEOPLE, I bet they’d even go that far.

181 Four More Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:13:55pm

re: #176 The Right Height

The second the first bomb were to drop we’d start hearing about how bad an idea it was.

See: Libya.

182 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:15:21pm

re: #170 The Right Height

I serioisly doubt he would allow us to attack unilaterally.

Especially since I’d wager that attacking unilaterally would fuck us over economically by starting a trade war with China. As soon as that first bomb dropped, Beijing would impose sanctions on us.

183 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:15:40pm

re: #179 Killgore Trout

I don’t know about that. I haven’t seen the polling on the issue but I’m pretty sure it’ll cost him a big chuck of his base.

The base would abandon his ass, followed shortly by independents when war drives gas prices past the $5/gal mark and rams a stake through the head of the recovery. It would be political suicide.

184 Four More Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:16:27pm

re: #182 Lidane

Especially since I’d wager that attacking unilaterally would fuck us over economically by starting a trade war with China. As soon as that first bomb dropped, Beijing would impose sanctions on us.

Doubtful. They need us to buy stuff from them.

185 Stan the Demanded Plan  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:17:52pm

Diplomacy. It’s complicated.

Warmongers have it easy.

186 Four More Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:18:15pm

Just don’t ask me if Israel will bomb Iran because I have no friggin’ clue.

187 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:18:49pm

re: #184 The Right Height

Doubtful. They need us to buy stuff from them.

They also need a shitload of oil to run their factories, which Iran helps to provide.

If it comes down to the country buying their shit and the country who helps them run the factories they use to build that shit, who do you think they’re going to side with?

188 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:19:19pm

re: #183 Targetpractice

The base would abandon his ass, followed shortly by independents when war drives gas prices past the $5/gal mark and rams a stake through the head of the recovery. It would be political suicide.

Maybe but the Presidency is a larger job than maintaining gas prices and reelection.

189 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:20:30pm

re: #172 College is GOOD you asshat.

My goodness, would the right then accept Obama as their President if he did?

Whatta joke.

No, they’d turn on a dime and complain that he’s a hawk and getting us into wars we can’t or shouldn’t be fighting.

Fact is that Iran is a threat; they are intent upon developing enrichment capabilities that might eventually lead to nuclear weapons, and they’ve got a leadership that consistently calls for the destruction of Israel and threatens neighboring regimes on a regular basis.

Does this mean that the US should carry out airstrikes? Don’t think so. After all, the US didn’t take any aggressive action when North Korea actually tested nuclear devices (Bush was in power when that happened). South Korea shrugged that off.

Now, are there differences between the regime in Pyongyang and Tehran? Absolutely. Going after Iran’s nuclear scientists and using all manner of spyrcraft short of overt warfare seems to be the name of the game thus far.

190 Four More Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:21:10pm

re: #187 Lidane

They can buy oil from anyone. All we’d really end up doing would be driving up the price.

191 Kragar  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:23:19pm

So, went in and was not chosen for jury duty.

192 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:23:22pm

re: #188 Killgore Trout

Maybe but the Presidency is a larger job than maintaining gas prices and reelection.

It’s not really mission critical so there’s no need for an air strike at this time. Obama will wait for the sanctions to take effect over the next couple of years.

193 freetoken  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:24:35pm

re: #188 Killgore Trout

Maybe but the Presidency is a larger job than maintaining gas prices and reelection.

In a lofty and thoughtful sense… yes.

In a practical sense - no, I really do think the discontent over economic issues, and that includes gasoline prices in our car-obsessed nation, is pretty much all that matters to politics outside of the ethnic/religious wars.

194 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:24:39pm

re: #190 The Right Height

They can buy oil from anyone. All we’d really end up doing would be driving up the price.

Yeah. For China AND for us, both in terms of oil and in terms of the goods we’d get from China as a result.

Bad move all around.

195 Four More Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:25:12pm

re: #193 freetoken

In a lofty and thoughtful sense… yes.

In a practical sense - no, I really do think the discontent over economic issues, and that includes gasoline prices in our car-obsessed nation, is pretty much all that matters to politics outside of the ethnic/religious wars.

That’s… kind of depressing, really.

196 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:25:25pm

re: #188 Killgore Trout

Maybe but the Presidency is a larger job than maintaining gas prices and reelection.

The job of the President is also not acting as though all you have is a hammer when it comes to foreign policy. We can’t afford another war and decade long occupation, nor could we handle the blowback we’d get for declaring war on one of the largest oil exporters to our rivals.

197 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:25:26pm

If you do attack those facilities you’ll open up a new can of worms. So maybe you’ll get rid of one threat but create new ones. Iran will just pick up the pieces and start over again. An attack will also increase support for the Ayatollah and Ahmadinejad. We would also see a huge upswing in Iranian nationalism because such an attack would bring together opposition parties within Iran’s borders.

198 Stan the Demanded Plan  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:25:35pm

re: #191 Kragar

So, went in and was not chosen for jury duty.

DAMN

199 jaunte  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:25:41pm

Newt’s new energy slogan doubles down on the crazy
$2.50 a gallon gas, nickel beer, and all cigars will be legal Cubans.

200 Four More Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:26:39pm

re: #194 Lidane

Yeah. For China AND for us, both in terms of oil and in terms of the goods we’d get from China as a result.

Bad move all around.

Oookay… you know I’m in the “hey, let’s not bomb Iran” camp, right?

201 Stan the Demanded Plan  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:26:40pm

re: #195 The Right Height

That’s… kind of depressing, really.

‘tis

202 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:26:42pm

Make that Ayatollahs instead of Mullahs. Fixed.

203 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:26:49pm

re: #199 jaunte

Newt’s new energy slogan doubles down on the crazy
$2.50 a gallon gas, nickel beer, and all cigars will be legal Cubans.

Nah, can’t be Cubans, because the GOP still think it’s 1963 when it comes to US-Cuban relations.

204 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:26:49pm

re: #192 Gus

It’s not really mission critical so there’s no need for an air strike at this time. Obama will wait for the sanctions to take effect over the next couple of years.

I don’t think the sanctions are going to have any effect on their nuclear program. The Iranians are willing to pay any price no matter how painful. I’m not sure the point of no return is years away.

205 Four More Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:27:34pm

re: #199 jaunte

Newt’s new energy slogan doubles down on the crazy
$2.50 a gallon gas, nickel beer, and all cigars will be legal Cubans.

Yes. Because government influencing the price of something is the pure, distilled essence of Capitalism.

206 freetoken  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:27:41pm

Ever since GWB’s election for a second term we’ve been hearing people lament over an imminent war with Iran.

Poppycock, I say.

It’s just political theater for many.

US Presidents would only attack Iran if an imminent threat to US citizens or interest becomes tangible. And then only strikes to take out key elements of the threat would be done.

207 jaunte  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:28:07pm

re: #205 The Right Height

Newt apparently wants to drive a lot of refineries out of business.

208 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:28:10pm

re: #200 The Right Height

Oookay… you know I’m in the “hey, let’s not bomb Iran” camp, right?

Yeah, I know. It’s just one of those days today is all.

209 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:28:15pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

I don’t think the sanctions are going to have any effect on their nuclear program. The Iranians are willing to pay any price no matter how painful. I’m not sure the point of no return is years away.

Correction, the regime is willing to pay any price. The natives aren’t and they’re getting restless. Wasn’t it you who posted a story yesterday to reports that the pro-reform parties were calling on a boycott of the elections?

210 allegro  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:28:33pm

re: #199 jaunte

Newt’s new energy slogan doubles down on the crazy
$2.50 a gallon gas, nickel beer, and all cigars will be legal Cubans.

Driving around, drinking cheap beer and smoking cigars will be all the wingnut men have when their women go all Lysistrata on their asses. Hope they enjoy themselves.

211 Four More Tears  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:29:32pm

Let the Free Market decide, except when I have to fill up my SUV!

212 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:30:00pm

re: #206 freetoken

Ever since GWB’s election for a second term we’ve been hearing people lament over an imminent war with Iran.

Poppycock, I say.

It’s just political theater for many.

US Presidents would only attack Iran if an imminent threat to US citizens or interest becomes tangible. And then only strikes to take out key elements of the threat would be done.

This president? Yes. But after the Iraq war it’s pretty clear a president can make extremely foolish decisions in this regard.

213 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:30:04pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

I don’t think the sanctions are going to have any effect on their nuclear program. The Iranians are willing to pay any price no matter how painful. I’m not sure the point of no return is years away.

If we do pass a point of no return then Iran would have to accept a policy of AD — assured destruction. If they so decided to use such weapons against an ally.

214 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:31:14pm

re: #211 The Right Height

Let the Free Market decide, except when I have to fill up my SUV!

Who says I deserve to pay high gas bills for driving a Hummer? ZOMG! SOCIALISM!

/Allen West

215 freetoken  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:31:25pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

Many of Iran’s major Asian economic trade partners have expressed doubts that they will be able to limit trade with Iran. Iran’s roughly 2 million bbls of fossil fuels per day is important, and KSA cannot make up the difference.

216 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:31:28pm

I think a centered approach is the way to go with Iran.

217 Kragar  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:33:58pm

re: #198 College is GOOD you asshat.

DAMN

Still on call all this week though.

218 Shvaughn  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:35:27pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

What do you think the chances are of Obama participating in an attack on Iran? He’s pretty hawkish, I think he might do it.

How’s he “pretty hawkish?”

219 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:36:04pm

re: #217 Kragar

Still on call all this week though.

Fry the bastard!!

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220 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:36:58pm

re: #219 Targetpractice

Fry the bastard!!

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Helps if you also show up with bloody gauze taped around your head.

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221 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:38:19pm

ФФФФФФ

222 Tigger2005  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:38:30pm

Robert Mugabe is a PIECE OF SHIT.

Oh, and this Darrell E. Hines, CEO of “Even-Tho Enterprises” from the first comment is a huge pile of steaming, fly-coated excrement as well.

[Link: www.digitaljournal.com…]

223 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:40:43pm

re: #221 Sergey Romanov

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224 freetoken  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:41:26pm

Sanctions risk rerun of oil’s 2011 flash crash

Soaring oil prices and the loss of exports from South Sudan, Syria and Iran pose awkward questions for investors and policymakers.

Last year, a similar surge following the outbreak of the Libyan civil war eventually resulted in the flash crash on May 5 and the decision to release emergency stocks by the United States and other members of the International Energy Agency (IEA) on June 23.

Investors and policymakers are being pressed to explain why the outcome this time will be different.

The problem is that the circumstances are nearly identical.

The IEA is struggling to explain why it made sense to release stocks following the Libyan outage but does not make sense to release them following the loss of production from South Sudan, Yemen and Syria, and the tightening stranglehold on Iran’s exports.

[…]

But this argument ignores the losses of oil from South Sudan, Syria and Yemen, and Iran’s growing difficult in finding buyers for its crude, which appears to have cut the country’s exports by several hundred thousand barrels per day. The tightening timespreads for Brent imply those losses are just as real as in 2011. If the release of 60 million barrels was justified last year, it would seem to be justified again in 2012.

[…]

I wonder when Newt and the rest of the demagogues will admit that their hawkishness on Iran has more to do with expensive gasoline then some EPA regulation.

225 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:42:30pm

re: #157 Gus

US Chair Force

ahahaha chair force

226 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:44:31pm

re: #209 Targetpractice

Correction, the regime is willing to pay any price. The natives aren’t and they’re getting restless. Wasn’t it you who posted a story yesterday to reports that the pro-reform parties were calling on a boycott of the elections?

Yup. That seems to make the most sense to me. I think the best hope is the regime falls in a popular uprising. The Iranian people may still keep the nuclear program and may even keep options open for a nuclear weapon as a source of national pride as a potential world power but it would be much more acceptable with a government that reflects the will of the Iranian people.

227 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:44:31pm

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228 engineer cat  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:45:13pm

re: #199 jaunte

Newt’s new energy slogan doubles down on the crazy
$2.50 a gallon gas, nickel beer, and all cigars will be legal Cubans.

we’ve come to the point where the only person who doesn’t understand that newt’s done and did is newt

he still thinks he’s a gonna beat all with his ‘brilliant’ strategery

229 jaunte  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:46:29pm

re: #228 engineer cat

I need one of those hats…
[Link: grist.org…]

230 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:47:02pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

Yup. That seems to make the most sense to me. I think the best hope is the regime falls in a popular uprising. The Iranian people may still keep the nuclear program and may even keep options open for a nuclear weapon as a source of national pride as a potential world power but it would be much more acceptable with a government that reflects the will of the Iranian people.

I would agree with that. Our best hope now is to continue to tighten the vice, holding off overt moves, until the resulting pressure explodes. Either Iran will make an aggressive move and justify actions taken against it or the people finally get fed up enough to revolt and remove the current regime.

231 jaunte  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:47:30pm

P.J. Nicolatore ‏ @NicoleGennette
Latest #GOP lie. As they try to pass forced humiliation legislation across the US they claim it’s Dems bringing up social issues.

I don’t know if the bolded is original coinage from P.J. Nicolatore, but it sure is accurate.

232 Gus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:47:51pm

re: #224 freetoken

Sanctions risk rerun of oil’s 2011 flash crash

I wonder when Newt and the rest of the demagogues will admit that their hawkishness on Iran has more to do with expensive gasoline then some EPA regulation.

Plus. Gasoline was $2.50 a gallon with those very same EPA regulations in place. ;)

233 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:49:03pm

re: #216 Gus

I think a centered approach is the way to go with Iran.

How zen of you.

234 Bubblehead II  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:50:40pm

Why, just why did I know this shit was going to happen? Probably because these self same Idiots voted down an amendment granting the GLBT groups Human Rights protection.

Idaho. A State to Great to hate. What a fucking lie.

Want to reply “Butch” and the Idaho Republican Party

Here you go.

PLEASE LET THEM KNOW. THEY ARE BEING WATCHED

235 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:51:20pm

re: #227 Sergey Romanov

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You cheat with all those invisible characters. You Leprechaun.

236 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:51:42pm

re: #235 Flaming Dumpster

;)

237 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:52:52pm

LOL!
Congratulations to “Brain Surfer” for his sweep of the bottom 10!
Hi Lizards!

238 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:53:03pm

re: #235 Flaming Dumpster

What invisible characters?

239 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:54:23pm

re: #238 Sergey Romanov

What invisible characters?

How would I know, I can’t see them. I just know you have evil magic.

240 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:54:27pm

Batman? Nonsense.

241 freetoken  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:54:52pm

Was going to do a Page on this over the weekend but it turned out I’m lazier than I thought I was… so I’ll just offer it up here:

Why Bill O’Reilly’s Gasoline Price Solution Doesn’t Work

[….]

During my interview with Alan Colmes, he mentioned an idea that Bill O’Reilly has proposed, and that is to address gasoline prices by discouraging U.S. oil companies from exporting their products. Here is O’Reilly discussing the idea. Let’s dissect a few of his comments:

O’Reilly: We began covering the skyrocketing oil prices last Friday with Lou Dobbs. He was candid. Saying because of the mild winter, there is plenty of oil and gas in the U.S.A. So supply and demand here should dictate lower prices.

With all due respect, Bill O’Reilly has a fundamental misunderstanding about oil supplies. There is not “plenty of oil and gas in the U.S.A.” He is confused over net exports of oil and net exports of finished products as I will get into below.

[…]

242 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:57:15pm

re: #239 Flaming Dumpster

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we surround you

243 danhenry1  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:57:59pm

Way off butjustwatching.
Marie Colvin was quite a remarkable person.
Didn’t like ‘no comment’, nor ‘collateral damage’.

244 Kragar  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:58:37pm

Santorum Says He Doesn’t Want to Impose His Values on the Rest of Us

FMR. SEN. SANTORUM: It’s so funny. I get the question all the time. Why are you talking so much about these social issues, as they, as, as people ask about me about the social issues.
MR. GREGORY: Senator, no, wait a minute.
FMR. SEN. SANTORUM: Look, the…
MR. GREGORY: You talk about this stuff every week. And by the way, it’s not just in this campaign.
FMR. SEN. SANTORUM: No, I talk about, I talk…
MR. GREGORY: Sir, in this campaign you talk about it. And I’ve gone back years when you’ve been in public life and you have made this a centerpiece of your public life. So the notion that these are not deeply held views worthy of question and scrutiny, it’s not just about the press.
FMR. SEN. SANTORUM: Yeah, they, they are deeply held views, but they’re not what I dominantly talk about, David. You’re taking things that over a course of a 20-year career and pulling out quotes from difference speeches on, on issues that are fairly tangential, not what people care about mostly in America, and saying, “Oh, he wants to impose those values.” Look at my record. I’ve never wanted to impose any of the things that you’ve just talked about. These are, these are my personal held religious beliefs, and in many forums that I, that, that are, in fact, religious, because I do speak in front of church groups and I do speak in these areas, I do talk about them. But there’s no evidence at all that I, that I want to impose those values on anybody else.

245 SpaceJesus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:59:13pm

Wyoming is getting ready for the end of the world

“The Wyoming House of Representatives advanced the legislation on Monday, but eliminated language calling for plans to implement its own military draft, army and acquire an aircraft carrier.”

[Link: usnews.msnbc.msn.com…]

246 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:00:09pm

re: #244 Kragar

You mean, he doesn’t even want to impose them, he just will? That’s doubly evil.

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247 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:00:35pm

re: #241 freetoken

Was going to do a Page on this over the weekend but it turned out I’m lazier than I thought I was… so I’ll just offer it up here:

Why Bill O’Reilly’s Gasoline Price Solution Doesn’t Work

With all due respect, Bill O’Reilly has a fundamental misunderstanding about oil supplies. There is not “plenty of oil and gas in the U.S.A.” He is confused over net exports of oil and net exports of finished products as I will get into below.

[…]

O’Reilly: We began covering the skyrocketing oil prices last Friday with Lou Dobbs. He was candid. Saying because of the mild winter, there is plenty of oil and gas in the U.S.A. So supply and demand here should dictate lower prices.

This assumes the market follows supply and demand logically, which it doesn’t.

There is a huge emotional factor in market prices.

248 Kragar  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:00:40pm

re: #246 Sergey Romanov

You mean, he doesn’t even want to impose them, he just will? That’s doubly evil.

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It’s not his will, its God’s will.

249 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:01:07pm

re: #237 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
Congratulations to “Brain Surfer” for his sweep of the bottom 10!
Hi Lizards!

Somebody has to take up the slack for me.
Do you have any tips for humidity control for the greenhouse? I’m learning the basics but it gets complicated. At night when the temp drops the air can’t hold as much water. Temp in the greenhouse gets down to about 50 degrees but humidity jumps to over 90% and there’s lots of condensation on the windows and drips from the ceiling. I tried a dehumidifier but it makes almost no difference. I’m running fans now and that seems to help a lot. Any suggestions?

250 Stan the Demanded Plan  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:01:44pm

re: #244 Kragar

He who pukes at Kennedy wants to tell us wha?

Win Michigan you asshat. por favor.

251 Tigger2005  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:03:06pm

re: #245 SpaceJesus

“The Wyoming House of Representatives advanced the legislation on Monday, but eliminated language calling for plans to implement its own military draft, army and acquire an aircraft carrier.”

[Link: usnews.msnbc.msn.com…]

That boat would’ve required a mighty long ramp to launch from Wyoming through Idaho and Oregon. Somebody probably told them getting the easements would be a nightmare.

252 Stan the Demanded Plan  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:03:31pm

Neil deGrasse Tyson ‏ @neiltyson

Appearing tonight on @TheDailyShow (Comedy Central), discussing “Space Chronicles” of course: bit.ly/xXNEDB Be there.

oooh!

253 freetoken  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:04:06pm

re: #249 Killgore Trout

Most greenhouses I’ve been in inevitably end up using plenty of fans. De-humidifiers are too small (that most anyone can afford.)

You can artificially heat your greenhouse at night, thus raising temps and lowering relative humidity. BTW, night time temps can influence various types of growth, from germination to fruiting.

254 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:05:11pm

re: #242 Sergey Romanov

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we surround you

Stop, you’re scaring me.

255 SpaceJesus  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:05:15pm

re: #251 Tigger2005

this state votes republican.

i think they are just going to put wheels on it and drive it around.

256 jaunte  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:05:20pm

Utah House passes bill to allow schools to skip sex ed

Nehemiah Scudder is ready for his closeup.

257 Kragar  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:06:24pm

re: #250 College is GOOD you asshat.

He who pukes at Kennedy wants to tell us wha?

Win Michigan you asshat. por favor.

At this rate, they’re going to change the entry for Pyrrhic Victory to “see 2012 GOP Primaries”

258 freetoken  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:06:47pm

re: #256 jaunte

That tie… that should have been a clue.

259 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:07:18pm

re: #254 Flaming Dumpster

Stop, you’re scaring me.

Ddddddddoooooooonnnnnnn’t be scared.

260 freetoken  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:07:51pm
“We’ve been culturally watered down to think we have to teach about sex, about having sex and how to get away with it, which is intellectually dishonest,” said bill sponsor Rep. Bill Wright, R-Holden. “Why don’t we just be honest with them upfront that sex outside marriage is devastating?

Yes, the SoCons aren’t done yet.

261 jaunte  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:08:08pm

re: #258 freetoken

These people are dangerously impractical.

262 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:13:15pm

re: #249 Killgore Trout

Fans to move the warm air down from the ceiling to the floor, is my first thought. Do you run any heat? Friend runs a Southern Burner to heat.

263 engineer cat  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:14:25pm

why do i have to think about starving philosophers who need two forks to eat?

264 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:15:21pm

/// re: #259 Sergey Romanov

Ddddddddoooooooonnnnnnn’t be scared.

;///

I will learn your magic.

265 engineer cat  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:15:38pm

re: #262 Floral Giraffe

Fans to move the warm air down from the ceiling to the floor, is my first thought. Do you run any heat? Friend runs a Southern Burner to heat.

i put the cat on my lap and my laptop on my abdomen

pretty warm

266 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:16:12pm

re: #264 Flaming Dumpster

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;///

I will learn your magic.

So far not good. ;)

267 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:16:22pm

re: #253 freetoken

Most greenhouses I’ve been in inevitably end up using plenty of fans. De-humidifiers are too small (that most anyone can afford.)

You can artificially heat your greenhouse at night, thus raising temps and lowering relative humidity. BTW, night time temps can influence various types of growth, from germination to fruiting.

I’ve played around with heating options but it’s hard to tell how well they’re going to work because there are still some pretty drafty spots. The greenhouse company will be out tomorrow to fix them. I think my most economical option is to run a duct from my furnace to blow warm dry air in but I think I’ll still have condensation on the glass. Hopefully the heat duct and a few fans will do the job.

268 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:19:12pm

re: #262 Floral Giraffe

Fans to move the warm air down from the ceiling to the floor, is my first thought. Do you run any heat? Friend runs a Southern Burner to heat.

I’ve been running an electric space heater which does help keep the temps up but not enough to avoid the humidity spike and condensation. I just put fans in there a few hours ago. They definitely help a lot. Also I haven’t been venting the greenhouse because the temps haven’t been high enough yet. I think regular venting will help dry things out enough to keep it under control.

269 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:27:48pm

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270 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:28:26pm

re: #269 Flaming Dumpster

Hooray!

271 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:29:24pm

re: #269 Flaming Dumpster

Altho that is not my method ;)

272 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:30:17pm

re: #271 Sergey Romanov

Altho that is not my method ;)

How are you doing it?

273 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:31:07pm

re: #268 Killgore Trout

Find some greenhouse growers in your area & go visit. Everyone does it a little bit differently. Seeing what others do is HUGELY educational!

274 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:31:12pm

re: #272 Flaming Dumpster

;)

275 engineer cat  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:32:11pm

i will run for presnidint aginst newt on my Cat Based Engerny Plan

cats provide a clean and renewable source of hairballs heat

and they run on peanuts

actually, they don’t really like peanuts

276 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:34:56pm

re: #273 Floral Giraffe

Find some greenhouse growers in your area & go visit. Everyone does it a little bit differently. Seeing what others do is HUGELY educational!

That’s a very good idea.

277 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:35:06pm

I will once again note that the ultrasound measure in Illinois was introduced in the legislature by a Democrat, as was the zoning restriction on abortion clinics. And it was Democrat Mike Madigan, the State House Speaker, who sent the bills to the Agriculture Committee, which he knew would pass them. So don’t blame the GOP for this in my state, not unless you’ve blamed the Donks first.

278 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:37:53pm

re: #276 Killgore Trout

Doesn’t even matter what they grow! You want to see how they do it.
Even if you just drive around, stop & knock on their door, people LOVE to talk about their growing areas. You will find them to be very generous!
It’ll be fun, too!

279 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:39:40pm

re: #277 Dark_Falcon

How about we assign blame in terms of how many people from each party vote for it? That cool with you?

280 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:41:53pm

re: #276 Killgore Trout

Offer to help with whatever they’re working on. They’ll love it & talk forever, if they’re nice!

281 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:46:49pm

re: #279 Obdicut

How about we assign blame in terms of how many people from each party vote for it? That cool with you?

Nope. If the Dems push the bills, Republicans have to vote for them. To vote against them would be to raise doubts as to whether they are sufficiently pro-life.

282 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:47:58pm

re: #281 Dark_Falcon

Nope. If the Dems push the bills, Republicans have to vote for them. To vote against them would be to raise doubts as to whether they are sufficiently pro-life.

Not an excuse.

283 Lidane  Mon, Feb 27, 2012 7:06:43pm

re: #281 Dark_Falcon

Nope. If the Dems push the bills, Republicans have to vote for them. To vote against them would be to raise doubts as to whether they are sufficiently pro-life.

Sorry, but that’s a load of horseshit. You’re basically saying that the GOP has no power of its own and is instead in thrall to anyone who proposes a bill, no matter how bad it might be. What ever happened to the whole concept of personal responsibility that the GOP keeps harping on?

284 RemainCalm  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:14:04am

It is religious superstitions about embryos and zygotes. No legislation insists a male endure a urethral probe to demonstrate how his penile cavities function before prescribing Viagra. No legislation insists you have a scraping from a suspicious mole tested for cancer before giving informed consent to removing its entirety. The “informed consent” bit is a smokescreen for tyrants who want to use government force to impose their superstitious opinions about human life onto other citizens.

285 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:14:35am

re: #281 Dark_Falcon

Nope. If the Dems push the bills, Republicans have to vote for them. To vote against them would be to raise doubts as to whether they are sufficiently pro-life.

I think I’ve found the problem with your political party DF, it’s the base. The base that demands people be 100% pro life. Maybe you can dissolve the public and elect another in its place?


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