Rick Santorum Doubles Down: JFK Really Does Make Him Want to Barf - Update: Or Maybe Just Gag a Little

Religious insanity takes over the GOP

WingnutsFebruary 2012 • Views: 26,511

The most extreme religious fanatic in the Republican presidential race, Rick Santorum, is not going to back down on his crazed statement that John F. Kennedy makes him want to puke.

It’s hard to believe that this kind of hateful, childish ranting is going to get Santorum elected. But it might get him the nomination, because the base of the GOP has gone completely bug-eyed nuts.

Former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum, who has made his conservative stance on religious and social issues one of the centerpieces of his Republican presidential campaign, today questioned the idea of a complete separation of church and state. Santorum stood by comments he made last year when he said after reading President John F. Kennedy’s famous 1960 speech about the separation of church and state, “I almost threw up.”

Santorum said his disagreement with Kennedy came from the line in Kennedy’s speech that read, “I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute.”

“I don’t believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute,” Santorum said today on ABC’s “This Week.’’ “The idea that the church should have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical of the objectives and vision of our country.”

John F. Kennedy did not say anything like that in his speech, of course; Santorum is blatantly distorting the truth, and it’s working with the ignorant base.

UPDATE at 2/28/12 9:47:20 am

But wait — now we discover that despite standing by his absurdly false characterization of JFK’s speech, Santorum regrets saying it made him want to hurl.

Rick Santorum regrets saying that he wanted to “throw up” in response to watching a video clip of President John F. Kennedy’s 1960 speech about the separation of church and state.

“I wish I had that particular line back,” Santorum said Tuesday on Laura Ingraham’s radio show.

That particular line may have been so offensive that even Rick Santorum understands he went too far, but the way he’s portraying JFK’s justly famous speech as an attack on religious people is even more offensive.

Jump to bottom

136 comments

Mocking Jay Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:39:43am

Yeah, we're watching a political party meltdown in real time here.

Gus Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:39:48am

What a coincidence. Rick Santorum makes me want to barf.

erik_t Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:41:27am

The idea that ~~the~~ my church should have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical of the objectives and vision of our country.

FTFY

Firstinla Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:42:17am

Old Frothful...Santorum doesn't need Secret Service protection so much as we need a park ranger standing nearby to warn that he about to spew again

Shiplord Kirel Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:43:22am

Santorum is without a doubt the craziest and scariest bastard we have had get even this close to the White House in a long time. The religious right's 30 year drive to power is about to end, either with its actual achievement, or (hopefully) with the movement's collapse into defeat and humiliation.

HappyWarrior Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:43:58am

Rick Santorum: Perhaps the inquisition wasn't so bad.

shutdown Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:46:12am

Dominionism is the new red.

b_sharp Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:46:20am

re: #2 Gus

What a coincidence. Rick Santorum makes me want to barf.

Make sure to clean up the mess when you're done.

lawhawk Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:46:42am

Quoted for truth:

I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute--where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishoners for whom to vote--where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference--and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.

I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish--where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source--where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials--and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.

For while this year it may be a Catholic against whom the finger of suspicion is pointed, in other years it has been, and may someday be again, a Jew--or a Quaker--or a Unitarian--or a Baptist. It was Virginia's harassment of Baptist preachers, for example, that helped lead to Jefferson's statute of religious freedom. Today I may be the victim- -but tomorrow it may be you--until the whole fabric of our harmonious society is ripped at a time of great national peril.

That Santorum thinks that separation of church and state as addressed by JFK is gag worthy is itself gag worthy. Santorum clearly has no intention of holding to any separation of church and state and wants to impose his religious views on others, regardless of the constitutionality of such acts. Broadly, he wants to impose his views on birth control and womens' rights, but he doesn't stop there.

He has pushed for creationism in science classrooms before - and as President, Santorum would do so again. Considering that science and technology are so critical to future economic development, throwing creationism into the mix in biology classrooms would hamper long term economic opportunities and undermine the American prowess in biotech sectors (one of the few bright spots in technology and manufacturing these days).

It's all the more reason to find Santorum objectionable.

Gus Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:46:56am

re: #7 Turnabout is Fair Play

Dominionism is the new red.

We now await for Santorum to announce his war against Freemasonry.

jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:47:00am

re: #6 HappyWarrior

Rick Santorum: Perhaps the inquisition wasn't so bad.

Torquemada was a terrific dancer!

lawhawk Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:47:09am

re: #8 Flaming Dumpster

Naw, Newt'll get the kids to do it for free.

Mocking Jay Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:47:17am

re: #8 Flaming Dumpster

Make sure to clean up the mess when you're done.

We have people for that, but their classes aren't over for another couple of hours...

shutdown Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:47:20am

re: #5 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

Religious zealots have boundless energy and a bottomless appetite for humiliation.

HappyWarrior Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:48:15am

re: #11 jamesfirecat

Torquemada was a terrific dancer!

I thought dancing was sinful but wow a Spanish inquisition musical.

mikec6666 Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:48:25am

Everything I hate about the modern republican party is boiled into this one cretin. It's actually quite convenient.

mikec6666 Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:49:13am

re: #6 HappyWarrior

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

shutdown Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:49:53am

re: #9 lawhawk

It's all the more reason to find Santorum objectionable.

"Objectionable"? His sweater vests are "objectionable". Santorum is a theocratic, proto-fascist, un-American, Constitution-hating sociopath.

erik_t Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:50:58am

re: #16 mikec6666

Everything I hate about the modern republican party is boiled into this one cretin. It's actually quite convenient.

Oooh, that's a tough one. He's still rather highly educated. Perhaps a cross-breed with not-Joe the not-plumber?

Gus Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:51:42am

re: #18 Turnabout is Fair Play

"Objectionable"? His sweater vests are "objectionable". Santorum is a theocratic, proto-fascist, un-American, Constitution-hating sociopath.

"Yes but he can turn this into an economic argument! I've seen him do this before." -- S.E. Cupp

iossarian Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:52:49am

re: #20 Gus

"Yes but he can turn this into an economic argument! I've seen him do this before." -- S.E. Cupp

//

You can't see the economic argument?

You have to look really hard, and of course, you have to be a true conservative to see it.

shutdown Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:53:03am

re: #20 Gus

"Yes but he can turn this into an economic argument! I've seen him do this before." -- S.E. Cupp

//

Took me a while then I remember seeing that interview segment.

Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:53:42am

re: #6 HappyWarrior

Rick Santorum: Perhaps the inquisition wasn't so bad.

You joke. My priest/professors had no trouble defending it.

Gus Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:54:07am

re: #22 Turnabout is Fair Play

Took me a while then I remember seeing that interview segment.

Yep. This is about jobs! Derp.

Simply Sarah Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:55:11am

I really hate that it happens, but people like Santorum sometimes make me have to fight really hard mentally not to just become anti-religion in general. I know people like him don't represent religion in general, but I can be only be pushed so far before it starts to feel like it's worth tossing the baby out with the bathwater.

shutdown Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:55:36am

re: #21 iossarian

You can't see the economic argument?

You have to look really hard, and of course, you have to be a true conservative to see it.

His argument for everything is the same. If we only agree to live, as a people, according to his narrow interpretation of Christianity, layered thick with a Dominionist trowel, Republican Jesus will take care of the economy. Or is that Trickle Down Jesus? I have a problem keeping the Wingnut Pantheon straight.

HappyWarrior Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:56:10am

re: #23 Decatur Deb

You joke. My priest/professors had no trouble defending it.

I wish I could be shocked but granted the Crusades revisionism I've seen the past five years I am not.

Gus Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:56:38am

re: #26 Turnabout is Fair Play

His argument for everything is the same. If we only agree to live, as a people, according to his narrow interpretation of Christianity, layered thick with a Dominionist trowel, Republican Jesus will take care of the economy. Or is that Trickle Down Jesus? I have a problem keeping the Wingnut Pantheon straight.

Free-Market Jesus covers the economy while Jesus-General takes care of our national security.

Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:56:41am

re: #15 HappyWarrior

I thought dancing was sinful but wow a Spanish inquisition musical.

Nah. Catholic church has no hard prohibition on dancing, drinking, gambling or cannibalism. It's mostly just sex that drives them ballistic.

HappyWarrior Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:57:17am

re: #29 Decatur Deb

Nah. Catholic church has no hard prohibition on dancing, drinking, gambling or cannibalism. It's mostly just sex that drives them ballistic.

I know that but Santorum doesn't act like your garden variety Catholic.

Simply Sarah Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:57:57am

re: #25 Simply Sarah

This is, of course, largely a result of the fact that people that aren't assholes about their religion don't stand out nearly as much because they aren't spending their every waking moment trying to ram their beliefs down my throat and into every other hole in my body.

Targetpractice Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:58:04am

re: #25 Simply Sarah

I really hate that it happens, but people like Santorum sometimes make me have to fight really hard mentally not to just become anti-religion in general. I know people like him don't represent religion in general, but I can be only be pushed so far before it starts to feel like it's worth tossing the baby out with the bathwater.

It really is hard not to write off religious folks as all being nutbars when rants like this one are met, not with near unanimous disgust or disapproval, but rather with shrugs and mutterings of "Well, some really feel that strongly about it."

Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:58:06am

re: #30 HappyWarrior

I know that but Santorum doesn't act like your garden variety Catholic.

He and Jindal both are fringies at best.

lawhawk Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:58:16am

re: #28 Gus

Yet, as a Penn State Alum, Santorum had to oppose Touchdown Jesus on general principle /

b_sharp Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:58:19am

re: #25 Simply Sarah

I really hate that it happens, but people like Santorum sometimes make me have to fight really hard mentally not to just become anti-religion in general. I know people like him don't represent religion in general, but I can be only be pushed so far before it starts to feel like it's worth tossing the baby out with the bathwater.

Especially when the baby looks like this.

shutdown Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:58:51am

re: #28 Gus

Free-Market Jesus covers the economy while Jesus-General takes care of our national security.

//

Ok, thanks - but where does that leave:
Image: raptor-jesus-10.jpg

shutdown Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:59:57am

My son has a couple of frees, and we are off to grab some father-son time (over lunch). BBL

Gus Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:00:41am

So I can't help but notice. Santorum has taken up a bit of the "Valley Girl" speech patterns. "Like you know JFK like totally makes me want to barf."

Tigger2005 Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:02:38am

Rick, you told us all how you REALLY feel. Why would you want to take it back? Have the courage of your convictions, man!

Simply Sarah Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:02:52am

re: #32 Targetpractice

It really is hard not to write off religious folks as all being nutbars when rants like this one are met, not with near unanimous disgust or disapproval, but rather with shrugs and mutterings of "Well, some really feel that strongly about it."

Honestly, the only reason I think I've been able to avoid doing it is because I've had enough exposure to thoughtful, respectful, and supportive religious people in my life to know that it can be a good thing, too.. I suppose that's true for anything, though. Much easier to respect/understand/at least tolerate a group when you can put a non-negative face to them.

Tigger2005 Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:03:28am

re: #38 Gus

So I can't help but notice. Santorum has taken up a bit of the "Valley Girl" speech patterns. "Like you know JFK like totally makes me want to barf."

"He should have, like, put a sock in it! What he said was like, so gross, totally."

HappyWarrior Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:03:40am

re: #38 Gus

So I can't help but notice. Santorum has taken up a bit of the "Valley Girl" speech patterns. "Like you know JFK like totally makes me want to barf."

Well his campaign is as shallow as a valley girl's. So like he totally has that going for him.

HappyWarrior Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:04:06am

re: #41 Tigger2005

"He should have, like, put a sock in it! What he said was like, so gross, totally."

I we should totally not allow the gays in the military since they're like totally gay.

dragonfire1981 Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:04:14am

I'm starting to believe that a brokered convention is more and more the likely outcome of the GOP nominating contest. The stupid thing about that is that it gives Obama even MORE of an advantage, since whoever gets chosen as the nominee will have had much LESS time to make themselves and their platform known.

I think the GOP can kiss 2012 goodbye. If I was one of their political strategists, I'd be working full bore on a plan for 2016 by now.

Gus Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:04:32am

re: #43 HappyWarrior

I we should totally not allow the gays in the military since they're like totally gay.

Totally. Fer shur.

Targetpractice Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:04:53am

re: #40 Simply Sarah

Honestly, the only reason I think I've been able to avoid doing it is because I've had enough exposure to thoughtful, respectful, and supportive religious people in my life to know that it can be a good thing, too.. I suppose that's true for anything, though. Much easier to respect/understand/at least tolerate a group when you can put a non-negative face to them.

True enough. I've met plenty of religious folks in my life whose company I enjoyed, mostly because they felt that their religious beliefs were not something to push upon me. It's folks like Frothy, who think that not only is it right to push their religion, but to hold a very bad opinion of anyone who isn't as nutty as they are, who give God's fan club a bad name.

Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:04:54am

re: #40 Simply Sarah

Honestly, the only reason I think I've been able to avoid doing it is because I've had enough exposure to thoughtful, respectful, and supportive religious people in my life to know that it can be a good thing, too.. I suppose that's true for anything, though. Much easier to respect/understand/at least tolerate a group when you can put a non-negative face to them.

Good point--Santorum is not only damaging the TPGOP, but also degrading the Catholic 'brand' when it already has troubles of it's own.

dragonfire1981 Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:05:17am

And the stupid thing is that if the GOP do lose in 2012, they are going to look and blame everything they can:

They're going to blame Obama and Chicago Politics and Liberals and George Soros and Blacks and Illegals and whomever else makes a convenient target.

Everyone except the true cause of the problem: Themselves.

Tigger2005 Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:06:04am

re: #43 HappyWarrior

I we should totally not allow the gays in the military since they're like totally gay.

"If that Marine wants to kiss his bf he should like bag their faces! Like, ewwww."

The Left Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:06:27am

re: #48 dragonfire1981

And the stupid thing is that if the GOP do lose in 2012, they are going to look and blame everything they can:

They're going to blame Obama and Chicago Politics and Liberals and George Soros and Blacks and Illegals and whomever else makes a convenient target.

Everyone except the true cause of the problem: Themselves.

Oh, they'll really lose their minds when Obama is reelected. It's gonna be ugly.

Simply Sarah Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:07:04am

re: #47 Decatur Deb

Good point--Santorum is not only damaging the TPGOP, but also degrading the Catholic 'brand' when it already has troubles of it's own.

Oh, don't get me started on the Catholic Church. Born and raised there. Probably the reason I'm not really religious anymore. Lots of great people are part of it, but the leadership makes me sick.

HappyWarrior Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:07:15am

re: #49 Tigger2005

"If that Marine wants to kiss his bf he should like bag their faces! Like, ewww."

"It was like oh my god is he actually kissing him, that is like totally a sin and they're totally gonna burn in hell."

celticdragon Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:07:49am

re: #23 Decatur Deb

You joke. My priest/professors had no trouble defending it.

Going into a German village and burning/drowning/flaying every single female in sight is teh awesome, apparently.

Witch hunting became particularly widespread in Central Europe during the Thirty Years War. In the province of Fulda, for example, the Lord Abbot of Fulda, Balthasar von Bernbach (a Catholic), led a mobile Inquisition in search of witches as part of his campaign against Protestantism. Within three years von Bernbach had put 250 witches to death. Protestants hunted witches as well. The anti-witch campaigns reached a climax in Germany in the 1620s. Around 900 were burned to death in Würzburg and around 600 in Bamberg.

The latest scholarly estimates suggest that in the period between 1450 and 1750 as many as 50,000 trials and executions of witches may have taken place, with roughly 75% of these being against women.[2]

An example of the Catholic Church's campaign against witches is the December 9, 1484 announcement by Pope Innocent VIII of the Papal Bull Summis desiderantes affectibus. Innocent's bull condemned witchcraft following reports of an alleged outbreak in the Rhineland and assigned responsibility for combating it to inquisitorial courts. According to the Summis desiderantes:

"It has indeed lately come to Our ears, not without afflicting Us with bitter sorrow, that in some parts of Northern Germany, as well as in the provinces, townships, territories, districts, and dioceses of Mainz, Cologne, Tréves, Salzburg, and Bremen, many persons of both sexes, unmindful of their own salvation and straying from the Catholic Faith, have abandoned themselves to devils, incubi and succubi, and by their incantations, spells, conjurations, and other accursed charms and crafts, enormities and horrid offences, have slain infants yet in the mother's womb, as also the offspring of cattle, have blasted the produce of the earth, the grapes of the vine, the fruits of the trees, nay, men and women, beasts of burthen, herd-beasts, as well as animals of other kinds, vineyards, orchards, meadows, pasture-land, corn, wheat, and all other cereals; these wretches furthermore afflict and torment men and women, beasts of burthen, herd-beasts, as well as animals of other kinds, with terrible and piteous pains and sore diseases, both internal and external; they hinder men from performing the sexual act and women from conceiving, whence husbands cannot know their wives nor wives receive their husbands; over and above this, they blasphemously renounce that Faith which is theirs by the Sacrament of Baptism, and at the instigation of the Enemy of Mankind they do not shrink from committing and perpetrating the foulest abominations and filthiest excesses to the deadly peril of their own souls, whereby they outrage the Divine Majesty and are a cause of scandal and danger to very many.

Targetpractice Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:08:11am

re: #44 dragonfire1981

I'm starting to believe that a brokered convention is more and more the likely outcome of the GOP nominating contest. The stupid thing about that is that it gives Obama even MORE of an advantage, since whoever gets chosen as the nominee will have had much LESS time to make themselves and their platform known.

I think the GOP can kiss 2012 goodbye. If I was one of their political strategists, I'd be working full bore on a plan for 2016 by now.

A brokered convention would mean finding somebody who wouldn't throw the base into an even greater uproar than a Willard nomination while at the same time not being so toxic as to scare off independents. I just don't think anybody like that exists in the GOP right now who would be willing to throw his '16 chances away.

But I think the party's come to realize that and is giving up on the presidency, focusing instead on Congress and the chance at holding or even expanding the numbers of seats they hold right now. A bad nominee will hurt that, but if they can find somebody that at least garners tepid support, they can hope to hold their current numbers.

Iwouldprefernotto Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:08:25am

Is Rick even trying to win? At the beginning I thought he was just in the race so he could get his next gig on Fox. I think he got more votes than even he expected and his never adapted to a more "Moderate" position.

Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:09:27am

re: #53 celticdragon

"Mistakes were made..."

erik_t Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:09:40am

re: #55 Iwouldprefernotto

Is Rick even trying to win? At the beginning I thought he was just in the race so he could get his next gig on Fox. I think he got more votes than even he expected and his never adapted to a more "Moderate" position.

I think he's hoping for a position in a Romney administration, probably head of DERP.

The Left Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:10:33am

re: #57 erik_t

I think he's hoping for a position in a Romney administration, probably head of DERP.

Holy cow, there really is a DERP!

Simply Sarah Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:10:39am

re: #46 Targetpractice

True enough. I've met plenty of religious folks in my life whose company I enjoyed, mostly because they felt that their religious beliefs were not something to push upon me. It's folks like Frothy, who think that not only is it right to push their religion, but to hold a very bad opinion of anyone who isn't as nutty as they are, who give God's fan club a bad name.

While I admit it's not really fair for me to say, especially coming from someone that doesn't currently buy the whole "Jesus as divine" thing, but I tend to view myself as more Christ-like than a lot of these so-called Christians. Not say they don't have honest beliefs, but I think they've really, really lost their way and missed the message.

Targetpractice Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:10:41am

re: #55 Iwouldprefernotto

Is Rick even trying to win? At the beginning I thought he was just in the race so he could get his next gig on Fox. I think he got more votes than even he expected and his never adapted to a more "Moderate" position.

That's because he's not aiming at moderating, he thinks that it's his lunacy that's attracting the votes. He either doesn't realize or acknowledge that he's being seen as a candidate-of-last-resort, the guy that so many are flocking to just to avoid voting for Willard.

Tigger2005 Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:10:49am

re: #53 celticdragon

Going into a German village and burning/drowning/flaying every single female in sight is teh awesome, apparently.

And people wonder why the Founders were so adamant about Church/State separation, and why even religious people of all stripes supported it. Because they knew. They were only a few generations removed from the horrifying violence and oppression of state-sponsored religious terrorism.

Gus Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:12:22am

re: #58 Klaatu barada nikto

Holy cow, there really is a DERP!

[Link: www.derp.org...]

Kragar Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:12:25am

Jon Stewart: Both Romney And Santorum Are Pretty Weak

Jon Stewart had a question for Mitt Romney on Monday: How are you not crushing Rick Santorum?

Santorum over the weekend said a 1960 speech by John F. Kennedy about the separation of church and state made him want to “throw up.”

But Mitt Romney isn’t doing himself any favors. From talking about his wife’s couple of Cadillacs to his friends who own NASCAR teams, how is Santorum not crushing Romney? Stewart asked. Maybe it’s calling President Obama a “snob” for wanting everyone in America to go to college.

“Just to be clear, you’re coming out against people educating their kids because it’s fancy,” Stewart said. “Explain that…”

Gus Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:12:52am

http://chzderp.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/hurr-durr-derp-face-ima-at-grammeeeesss.jpg

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:13:23am

re: #61 Tigger2005

And people wonder why the Founders were so adamant about Church/State separation, and why even religious people of all stripes supported it. Because they knew. They were only a few generations removed from the horrifying violence and oppression of state-sponsored religious terrorism.

I"m reading over the list of the witch's crimes, and I think I've found the real culprit.

No offense, guys, but why is it that in primitive cultures, when a guy loses his mojo, he blames witches first.

I think they were doing this somewhere in Africa recently, as in the last ten years.

HappyWarrior Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:13:29am

re: #61 Tigger2005

And people wonder why the Founders were so adamant about Church/State separation, and why even religious people of all stripes supported it. Because they knew. They were only a few generations removed from the horrifying violence and oppression of state-sponsored religious terrorism.

After all Jefferson's famous letter on the wall between church and state was a letter he wrote to Baptists.

celticdragon Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:13:37am

re: #25 Simply Sarah

I really hate that it happens, but people like Santorum sometimes make me have to fight really hard mentally not to just become anti-religion in general. I know people like him don't represent religion in general, but I can be only be pushed so far before it starts to feel like it's worth tossing the baby out with the bathwater.

I have communicated with conservative catholic (pre Vatican II types) who truly believe in the same things Santorum says. They want birth control banned under "Natural Law" as intrinsically evil. They want people like me to be declared "disordered" and possibly forced into a mental hospital. They want the coercive power of the government to promote and enforce their beliefs on every other person under the guise that this is a "Christian nation" and that their beliefs are also indicative of "Natural Law" as described by Thomas Aquinas.

They are really, really freaky about wanting to control the sexuality of other people.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:14:18am

re: #64 Gus

http://chzderp.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/hurr-durr-derp-face-ima-at-grammeeesss.jpg

But I'm still a very pretty, very rich young lady.

The Left Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:15:32am

re: #62 Gus

[Link: www.derp.org...]

Another DERP!

Targetpractice Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:15:58am

re: #63 Kragar

Jon Stewart: Both Romney And Santorum Are Pretty Weak

Not seen: The Obama campaign laughing their asses off non-stop.

Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:16:20am

re: #61 Tigger2005

And people wonder why the Founders were so adamant about Church/State separation, and why even religious people of all stripes supported it. Because they knew. They were only a few generations removed from the horrifying violence and oppression of state-sponsored religious terrorism.

Less than that. The last execution inspired by the execution was 50 years after the Declaration of Independence.

Gus Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:16:34am

re: #69 Klaatu barada nikto

Another DERP!

Uh oh. Just saw a butthurt sighting.

The Left Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:17:22am

re: #72 Gus

Uh oh. Just saw a butthurt sighting.

//

where the butthurt?

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:17:29am

re: #72 Gus

Uh oh. Just saw a butthurt sighting.

//

No, just pointing out that Taylor Swift is high successful and rich, banjo or no.

celticdragon Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:17:43am

re: #31 Simply Sarah

This is, of course, largely a result of the fact that people that aren't assholes about their religion don't stand out nearly as much because they aren't spending their every waking moment trying to ram their beliefs down my throat and into every other hole in my body.

As a side note, My parents told me on Sunday that they are boycotting my Graduation from Guilford College on may 5 because I am registered and will graduate under my female name (which is not my birth name they gave me). My father said "You are engaging in a lifestyle that we cannot approve of" and then went on to lecture me from Deuteronomy.

Sunday was not a good day.

Gus Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:17:54am

re: #74 To hold my temper, most of the time.

No, just pointing out that Taylor Swift is high successful and rich, banjo or no.

Not you.

ProGunLiberal Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:18:07am

re: #76 Gus

Me. :P

The Left Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:18:17am

re: #75 celticdragon

I'm really sorry.

Gus Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:18:24am

re: #77 ProGunLiberal

Me. :P

Yep. :P

Sionainn Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:18:48am

re: #75 celticdragon

As a side note, My parents told me on Sunday that they are boycotting my Graduation from Guilford College on may 5 because I am registered and will graduate under my female name (which is not my birth name they gave me). My father said "You are engaging in a lifestyle that we cannot approve of" and then went on to lecture me from Deuteronomy.

Sunday was not a good day.

{{{celticdragon}}} That's terrible.

Targetpractice Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:19:02am

re: #75 celticdragon

Sorry to hear.

jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:19:03am

re: #75 celticdragon

As a side note, My parents told me on Sunday that they are boycotting my Graduation from Guilford College on may 5 because I am registered and will graduate under my female name (which is not my birth name they gave me). My father said "You are engaging in a lifestyle that we cannot approve of" and then went on to lecture me from Deuteronomy.

Sunday was not a good day.

{hug}

(Hope I did that right)

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:19:46am

Oh, well, my kids just found the Schoolhouse Rock DVD. I had forgotten how many of the songs are distinctly country.

We're currently on the times 9.

Obdicut Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:20:09am

re: #82 jamesfirecat

{hug}

(Hope I did that right)

Great, now she's pregnant.

Simply Sarah Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:21:36am

re: #67 celticdragon

I have communicated with conservative catholic (pre Vatican II types) who truly believe in the same things Santorum says. They want birth control banned under "Natural Law" as intrinsically evil. They want people like me to be declared "disordered" and possibly forced into a mental hospital. They want the coercive power of the government to promote and enforce their beliefs on every other person under the guise that this is a "Christian nation" and that their beliefs are also indicative of "Natural Law" as described by Thomas Aquinas.

They are really, really freaky about wanting to control the sexuality of other people.

What really disappoints me about the Catholic Church is reading about the possibilities coming out of Vatican II and how so much of that potential was lost. Like the time leading up to Humanae Vitae, where Paul VI ignored the majority of the commission suggesting allowing at least some form of birth control for married couples.

ProGunLiberal Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:21:36am

re: #75 celticdragon

My mom says that, despite my FB, and my general mannerisms, my Dad does not in fact know that I am Muslim. My own graduation may have some fireworks.

ProGunLiberal Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:21:55am

re: #79 Gus

You had to know what my response was going to be.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:22:46am

re: #87 ProGunLiberal

You had to know what my response was going to be.

I was thinking, "I hope PLL is not on here."

erik_t Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:23:09am

re: #63 Kragar

Jon Stewart: Both Romney And Santorum Are Pretty Weak

I hadn't actually seen the video.

'A, uh, couple of Cadillacs actually hehe'

good god man.

Gus Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:23:42am

re: #87 ProGunLiberal

You had to know what my response was going to be.

Yep. Bomb Buenos Aires!

HappyWarrior Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:25:28am

Just watched the Stewart clip. Santorum has to be the most ignorant sob I've ever seen and Mitt has to be the most out of touch one.

Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:25:34am

re: #85 Simply Sarah

What really disappoints me about the Catholic Church is reading about the possibilities coming out of Vatican II and how so much of that potential was lost. Like the time leading up to Humanae Vitae, where Paul VI ignored the majority of the commission suggesting allowing at least some form of birth control for married couples.

Conclaves have consequences.

Simply Sarah Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:25:47am

re: #75 celticdragon

As a side note, My parents told me on Sunday that they are boycotting my Graduation from Guilford College on may 5 because I am registered and will graduate under my female name (which is not my birth name they gave me). My father said "You are engaging in a lifestyle that we cannot approve of" and then went on to lecture me from Deuteronomy.

Sunday was not a good day.

Ugh. I'm really sorry to hear that. It's a sick joke that your parents can't be happy about an accomplishment of their daughter just because they have some confused view of what's right and because they gave you a male name by mistake.

ProGunLiberal Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:25:49am

re: #88 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Bad luck then.

Of course, I can be a more sensible fanboy than most. So all Gus gets is a downding. :P Different tastes and all.

celticdragon Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:26:06am

re: #82 jamesfirecat

{hug}

(Hope I did that right)

I appreciate it.

Thanks everybody.

I try really hard not to hold all of this against them. They are products of a very different time and they have very rigid and inflexible religious views. My mother is convinced that Obama is a Marxist and a Muslim, and she tries to tell me about Scripture she finds that links him to prophecies about the Anti-Christ.

No joke.

I love them and I know they are hurt by what they see as my rejection of their faith and values by being a transgendered woman. I just have to procede with knowing that they may never be a big part of my life anymore.

celticdragon Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:27:32am

re: #86 ProGunLiberal

Related:

My mom says that, despite my FB, and my general mannerisms, my Dad does not in fact know that I am Muslim. My own graduation may have some fireworks.

Wow. You may want to clear that up with him before hand.

Good luck. I'm sending positive thoughts your way, and congrats on graduation. :)

nines09 Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:28:30am

re: #75 celticdragon

Don't drink from their cup. It is ultimately their loss, even though right now it hurts.

Someone Please Beam Me Up! Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:28:41am

re: #95 celticdragon

I'm sorry about this, too. People do change their attitudes though -- try not to close all your channels of communication.

(I skipped my college graduation entirely, and am none the worse for it.)

ProGunLiberal Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:29:23am

re: #96 celticdragon

Considering the fact my Dad has EVERYONE against him because of his actions towards me, my mom, and my sister, I am not worried. I have friends in Colorado and my Grandparents and other family around.

Apparently, the time when I openly said it, he thought I was sarcastic, according to my mom.

100

ProGunLiberal Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:30:19am

re: #98 Schadenfreude 'r' Us

I want to skip mine. In front of 10 people, I become a stuttering, nervous wreck.

This is more than 10 people.

101

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:30:25am

re: #95 celticdragon

Totally OT-

I have this seal. It's upstairs in the kids room, because they carried it up there.

You reminded me I have to go and look for it. This is no small task--they have something like ten boxes of small parts of toys.

[Link: www.nostalgicimpressions.com...]

102

Sheila Broflovski Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:30:42am

I just flew back from the Big Apple and boy are my arms tired!

103

Simply Sarah Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:31:07am

re: #75 celticdragon

As a side note, My parents told me on Sunday that they are boycotting my Graduation from Guilford College on may 5 because I am registered and will graduate under my female name (which is not my birth name they gave me). My father said "You are engaging in a lifestyle that we cannot approve of" and then went on to lecture me from Deuteronomy.

Sunday was not a good day.

Also: Lifestyle my ass. All you're doing is living your life honestly and in the only way which gives you the potential to be mentally healthy. You just want to be yourself. Apparently deciding to no longer live a lie is a terrible lifestyle.

104

AK-47% Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:31:14am

Funny thing is, Santorum does not seem the least bit cynical about misquoting JFK or Obama:

Unlike Romney, who had no trouble cynically misrepresenting the latter in a campaign ad.

Santorum seems to truly believe the crap that he spouts. And people notice that: a lot of folks see it as a positive thing that he has a set of clearly defined principles that he sticks to, even if they disagree with those prinicples. They want somebody who will behave in ways they
find predictable and consistent.

It was an image that Dubya was good at projecting, and certainly a major reason for him getting elected and re-elected.

105

celticdragon Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:31:25am

re: #99 ProGunLiberal

Considering the fact my Dad has EVERYONE against him because of his actions towards me, my mom, and my sister, I am not worried. I have friends in Colorado and my Grandparents and other family around.

Apparently, the time when I openly said it, he thought I was sarcastic, according to my mom.

Then it is his problem and he can deal with it or not. You and I can still enjoy our day as graduates.

106

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:32:06am

re: #100 ProGunLiberal

I want to skip mine. In front of 10 people, I become a stuttering, nervous wreck.

This is more than 10 people.

I never walked. I had had a baby just a few weeks earlier and was in another state from the college. It just wasn't high on my list of priorities. Sleep was my main priority right then, if I remember correctly.

(I had left with three classes left to go and finished up independent study.)

107

celticdragon Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:32:09am

re: #101 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Totally OT-

I have this seal. It's upstairs in the kids room, because they carried it up there.

You reminded me I have to go and look for it. This is no small task--they have something like ten boxes of small parts of toys.

[Link: www.nostalgicimpressions.com...]

I like it! I want one!

108

dragonfire1981 Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:32:11am

Ok, so a lot of right wing people I know are freaking out about this:

[Link: www.prisonplanet.com...]

Summary: Obama is apparently launching an "African americans for Obama" thing where black people can volunteer to help with the campaign.

The freakout is because they feel they'd be vilified if they had "Whites for Rick Santorum" or something like that.

To be honest, I'm a bit torn on this. I think recognizing and trying to engage minority voters is important in America today, but I'm not sure this is the best way to go about doing so.

109

Simply Sarah Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:32:37am

re: #105 celticdragon

Then it is his problem and he can deal with it or not. You and I can still enjoy our day as graduates.

Exactly! Fuck anyone that says otherwise!

110

kirkspencer Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:33:00am

re: #95 celticdragon

I appreciate it.

Thanks everybody.

I try really hard not to hold all of this against them. They are products of a very different time and they have very rigid and inflexible religious views. My mother is convinced that Obama is a Marxist and a Muslim, and she tries to tell me about Scripture she finds that links him to prophecies about the Anti-Christ.

No joke.

I love them and I know they are hurt by what they see as my rejection of their faith and values by being a transgendered woman. I just have to procede with knowing that they may never be a big part of my life anymore.

Just tell them you love them, regularly, and go on with your life the best you can.

111

ProGunLiberal Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:35:10am

re: #106 To hold my temper, most of the time.

I suffer from Stage Fright and get very, very uncomfortable around large groups of people.

This is my 2 worst sorts of awful combined into one shit-tastic combo.

112

Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:36:03am

Morning all!

Curse-ed Virus has morphed into Painful Sinus Infection. Been on antibiotics since last night.

Deep Thoughts from Ice-T. I like Ice-T.

How is everyone?

113

Sinistershade Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:36:36am

re: #108 dragonfire1981

Ok, so a lot of right wing people I know are freaking out about this:

[Link: www.prisonplanet.com...]

Summary: Obama is apparently launching an "African americans for Obama" thing where black people can volunteer to help with the campaign.

The freakout is because they feel they'd be vilified if they had "Whites for Rick Santorum" or something like that.

To be honest, I'm a bit torn on this. I think recognizing and trying to engage minority voters is important in America today, but I'm not sure this is the best way to go about doing so.

Come talk to me after whites have been held in chattel slavery for a few centuries. Blacks have been guaranteed the vote for only four decades, and efforts to suppress their votes continue. As a white guy, I'm going to give them a whole lot of slack in encouraging their participation.

114

blueraven Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:37:06am

re: #95 celticdragon

I appreciate it.

Thanks everybody.

I try really hard not to hold all of this against them. They are products of a very different time and they have very rigid and inflexible religious views. My mother is convinced that Obama is a Marxist and a Muslim, and she tries to tell me about Scripture she finds that links him to prophecies about the Anti-Christ.

No joke.

I love them and I know they are hurt by what they see as my rejection of their faith and values by being a transgendered woman. I just have to procede with knowing that they may never be a big part of my life anymore.

Thats's really sad celticdragon, and one day they will probably regret their decision. Hopefully it will not be too late.

115

Someone Please Beam Me Up! Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:37:11am

re: #112 ggt

Try a very hot wet washcloth over your nasal area. If you haven't already.

116

Simply Sarah Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:37:37am

re: #112 ggt

Morning all!

Curse-ed Virus has morphed into Painful Sinus Infection. Been on antibiotics since last night.

Deep Thoughts from Ice-T. I like Ice-T.

How is everyone?

I'm well! I was about to say I can't complain, but then I remembered I spent $500 on car work this morning, so I guess I have that. Still, outside of that I'm good!

117

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:38:05am

re: #99 ProGunLiberal

Considering the fact my Dad has EVERYONE against him because of his actions towards me, my mom, and my sister, I am not worried. I have friends in Colorado and my Grandparents and other family around.

Apparently, the time when I openly said it, he thought I was sarcastic, according to my mom.

I thought the antlers were a dead giveaway. Oh wait, you said "Muslim".

Never mind.

118

Obdicut Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:38:20am

re: #108 dragonfire1981

Minorities are still minorities.

119

Someone Please Beam Me Up! Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:40:12am

re: #100 ProGunLiberal

I want to skip mine. In front of 10 people, I become a stuttering, nervous wreck.

This is more than 10 people.

I remember one Ph.D. diploma award (I work at a university) where the recipient walked across the stage, seized his document and kept walking. You could do that. Or you could say "thanks to all," and walk on.... the audience will thank you for it (although they'll never say so).

120

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:40:32am

re: #101 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Totally OT-

I have this seal. It's upstairs in the kids room, because they carried it up there.

You reminded me I have to go and look for it. This is no small task--they have something like ten boxes of small parts of toys.

[Link: www.nostalgicimpressions.com...]

Ooo. That'd be killer for props for RPG sessions. Especially since I'm planning on starting an Arthurian one in a few weeks.

121

HappyWarrior Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:40:39am

re: #108 dragonfire1981

Ok, so a lot of right wing people I know are freaking out about this:

[Link: www.prisonplanet.com...]

Summary: Obama is apparently launching an "African americans for Obama" thing where black people can volunteer to help with the campaign.

The freakout is because they feel they'd be vilified if they had "Whites for Rick Santorum" or something like that.

To be honest, I'm a bit torn on this. I think recognizing and trying to engage minority voters is important in America today, but I'm not sure this is the best way to go about doing so.

Other candidates have had an "African Americans" or other groups for so and so before. Hardly unique to Obama.

122

SpaceJesus Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:41:56am

Please please let this crazy asshole be the GOP nominee, please.

123

HappyWarrior Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:43:05am

Wait you have to speak at your graduation? I thought you just got your diploma from whoever and that was that. Like PGL I too suffer from getting nervous in front of large groups of people. I get nervous, forget what I am supposed to say, rush myself, and it's frustrating. Oh well, it's an improvement from my high school years where I consistently struggled with eye-contact and even some one one one conversations. Still need to improve but that's life.

124

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:43:05am

re: #121 HappyWarrior

Other candidates have had an "African Americans" or other groups for so and so before. Hardly unique to Obama.

I'm waiting for the claims that there is an "Anti-Americans for Obama" group, along with a copy of a fund-raising letter on their letterhead.

125

HappyWarrior Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:43:51am

re: #124 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I'm waiting for the claims that there is an "Anti-Americans for Obama" group, along with a copy of a fund-raising letter on their letterhead.

Anti-American Americans for Obama :D. And you know there will be a Muslim Americans for Obama group and that will have the Shariaholics in an uproar.

126

kirkspencer Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:45:58am

re: #121 HappyWarrior

Other candidates have had an "African Americans" or other groups for so and so before. Hardly unique to Obama.

2004. "African Americans for Bush." Chairman J.C. Watts.

127

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:46:52am

re: #125 HappyWarrior

Anti-American Americans for Obama :D. And you know there will be a Muslim Americans for Obama group and that will have the Shariaholics in an uproar.

How about "ShariaHawks for Geller"?
:)

128

kirkspencer Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:48:19am

re: #123 HappyWarrior

Wait you have to speak at your graduation? I thought you just got your diploma from whoever and that was that. Like PGL I too suffer from getting nervous in front of large groups of people. I get nervous, forget what I am supposed to say, rush myself, and it's frustrating. Oh well, it's an improvement from my high school years where I consistently struggled with eye-contact and even some one one one conversations. Still need to improve but that's life.

It depends. Some schools offer all graduates the opportunity. Some only allow those with honors to speak, or higher honors, or only the valedictorian. Or nobody. The largest constraint seems to be how many people have to walk across the stage.

129

HappyWarrior Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:49:19am

re: #128 kirkspencer

It depends. Some schools offer all graduates the opportunity. Some only allow those with honors to speak, or higher honors, or only the valedictorian. Or nobody. The largest constraint seems to be how many people have to walk across the stage.

Ah ok. I got my degree at a fairly big college and one of the bigger subcolleges- college of the humanities and social sciences.

130

ProGunLiberal Tue, Feb 28, 2012 11:02:08am

re: #128 kirkspencer

It's just walking across the stage, and some stuff afterwards.

But there are so many people.

131

Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 28, 2012 11:07:36am

re: #113 Sinistershade

Come talk to me after whites have been held in chattel slavery for a few centuries. Blacks have been guaranteed the vote for only four decades, and efforts to suppress their votes continue. As a white guy, I'm going to give them a whole lot of slack in encouraging their participation.

An NYC politician does not skip the St. Patrick's Day parade. Screw the wingnuts.

132

kirkspencer Tue, Feb 28, 2012 11:12:03am

re: #130 ProGunLiberal

It's just walking across the stage, and some stuff afterwards.

But there are so many people.

Ah.

yeah. I know people who freeze that way. fwiw, most colleges and universities have run into this. Unless the panic drives you to fleeing madly down the field or into a faint, they'll help you. You can almost do it with your eyes closed thanks to the help. Knowing that, I'll give two suggetions.

1) Breath.
2) Just focus on "next". Next person, next step, next action, etc., For the most part that's "focus on and follow the person in front of you." You'll get a slight pause at the stage itself, but (especially with large schools) you won't have the stage to yourself. The pause is so the president or whomever has time to pick up the next casing to hand to you without getting rushed.

This, too, shall pass.

133

Lidane Tue, Feb 28, 2012 11:14:54am

The best form of birth control is visualizing Rick Santorum.
— Andy Borowitz (@BorowitzReport) February 28, 2012

134

Bulworth Tue, Feb 28, 2012 11:25:44am

“The idea that the church should have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical of the objectives and vision of our country.”

But we are under threat from Shariah law... //

135

labman57 Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:26:02pm

Well, when you swallow your own vitriolic vomit, you end up with bad breath and a burning sensation in your throat. Rick could use a few Altoids right about now.

136

CuriousLurker Tue, Feb 28, 2012 7:55:26pm

re: #75 celticdragon

As a side note, My parents told me on Sunday that they are boycotting my Graduation from Guilford College on may 5 because I am registered and will graduate under my female name (which is not my birth name they gave me). My father said "You are engaging in a lifestyle that we cannot approve of" and then went on to lecture me from Deuteronomy.

Sunday was not a good day.

I don't know if you're subscribed to this thread and will see tis, but I'm really sorry to hear about your parents' decision. Sometimes we pay a really high price for being true to ourselves, but I firmly believe that in the end it's worth it.

Remind us the day before your graduation is coming up and we'll be there with you in spirit if not in person. {celticdragon}

Spy Mode Auto

This article has been archived.
Comments are closed.

Jump to top

Rick Santorum Doubles Down: JFK Really Does Make Him Want to Barf - Update: Or Maybe Just Gag a Little

► LGF Headlines

► Top 10 Comments

► Bottom Comments

► Recent Comments

► Tools/Info

► Tag Cloud