Nate Silver: Michigan Too Close to Call

Mitt Romney may lose in his home state
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The polling in Michigan is too close to call; Nate Silver says Romney and Santorum are essentially tied.

People sometimes apply the term “tossup” a bit too broadly, using it to refer to anything close enough that they don’t want to render a prediction about it.

In Michigan, however, the term is appropriate. Rick Santorum, who once trailed Mitt Romney badly in the state, then surged to a clear lead there, then saw Mr. Romney regain his footing and pull back ahead, appears to have some late momentum in the race — perhaps just enough to win, and perhaps not.

It’s kind of amazing that Santorum’s statement that JFK made him “want to throw up” hasn’t damaged his popularity; in the past, statements like that would have pretty much ended a campaign. But Santorum spouts one crazy line after another, and his popularity just keeps growing. It’s an indicator of how far to the right the base has swung — and it’s why I say the Republican base has gone wacky.

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123 comments
1 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:12:27pm

"toss" in some form does come to mind, however

2 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:12:50pm

Don't forget that the president is a snob for thinking every American student should have some shot at post secondary education. Oh wait the idiots applauded him for that one.

3 erik_t  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:13:49pm

In dubious fairness to the GOP base, Romney is just a fucking goddamned terrible candidate. I can't blame them for lashing out for something, anything, there has to be someone else to vote for.

4 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:13:58pm

People sometimes apply the term “tossup” a bit too

is this more about santorum puking?

5 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:15:00pm

I liked Jon Stewart's take on Santorum's puking. "What were you reading in the car or on one of those Coney Island tilting rides?" And he put it better than I did that the president's ideals on education are the opposite of snobbery. Snobbery is exclusionary, fool.

6 erik_t  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:15:56pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

I liked Jon Stewart's take on Santorum's puking. "What were you reading in the car or on one of those Coney Island tilting rides?" And he put it better than I did that the president's ideals on education are the opposite of snobbery. Snobbery is exclusionary, fool.

The 'Why isn't X killing Y?' segment rebranding killed me.

7 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:16:16pm
It’s kind of amazing that Santorum’s statement that JFK made him “want to throw up” hasn’t damaged his popularity; in the past, statements like that would have pretty much ended a campaign.

Not sure there is a statement wacky enough to end a GOP campaign now.

8 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:16:40pm

re: #7 Bulworth

Not sure there is a statement wacky enough to end a GOP campaign now.

"We should raise taxes!"

9 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:17:06pm

re: #8 Targetpractice

"We should raise taxes!"

"Christianity doesn't hold the answers to all of life's issues."

10 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:17:28pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Don't forget that the president is a snob for thinking every American student should have some shot at post secondary education. Oh wait the idiots applauded him for that one.

they also applauded perry for having a record number of inmates executed and applauded ron paul for saying people without insurance should be allowed to die

as long as they keep playing to the gallery, these people will continue to shape policy

11 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:17:47pm
Michigan Too Close to Call

I'm calling Michigan for Obama.

12 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:18:33pm

re: #7 Bulworth

Not sure there is a statement wacky enough to end a GOP campaign now.

Don't worry, Obama has maneouvered them into a position where they will have to oppose a cut in the corporate tax rate because it closes too many of their favorite loopholes...

13 Kragar  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:18:39pm

The suspense is terrible... I hope it'll last.

14 Kragar  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:20:03pm

I just like the fact that the nomination process won't be wrapped up before we reach the CA primary for once.

15 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:20:21pm

Even this story alone should have the GOP's hair turning white. This is a "must-win" state for both candidates, for Romney to maintain his "inevitability" cred, and for Santorum to end Romney's "inevitability," and yet they're stuck in a dead heat in the last hours.

Really, the only way Romney could come away tonight looking good is if he got a solid win, but I just don't see it happening. If he wins tonight, it's gonna be within 5% of the vote, which means tomorrow people are gonna be asking why they should vote for a guy who can't even put the competition away on his own home turf.

16 Max  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:20:47pm
Santorum spouts one crazy line after another, and his popularity just keeps growing. It’s an indicator of how far to the right the base has swung — and it’s why I say the Republican base has gone wacky.

Remember, Michigan is an open primary and Rick Santorum is gaining traction not only among social conservatives, but also with blue-collar workers and so-called "Reagan Democrats."

This close race might not be a good indicator of the Republican Party's temperature.

17 Kragar  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:21:13pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

Even this story alone should have the GOP's hair turning white. This is a "must-win" state for both candidates, for Romney to maintain his "inevitability" cred, and for Santorum to end Romney's "inevitability," and yet they're stuck in a dead heat in the last hours.

Really, the only way Romney could come away tonight looking good is if he got a solid win, but I just don't see it happening. If he wins tonight, it's gonna be within 5% of the vote, which means tomorrow people are gonna be asking why they should vote for a guy who can't even put the competition away on his own home turf.

VOTER FRAUD!11!111!!!1ELEVENTY!1

18 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:21:27pm

i vote rick for "most boring surge of 2012 campaign"

19 Kragar  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:22:20pm

re: #16 Max

Remember, Michigan is an open primary and Rick Santorum is gaining traction not only among social conservatives, but also with blue-collar workers and so-called "Reagan Democrats."

Plus the "lets fuck with the GOP" voters

20 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:22:46pm

apply the term “tossup” a bit too

whatever happens now it will mean that mitt loses

21 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:22:47pm

re: #19 Kragar

Plus the "lets fuck with the GOP" voters

I'm considering being one of those voters next month but Santorum and Newt aren't even on the ballot here.

22 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:23:39pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

I'm considering being one of those voters next month but Santorum and Newt aren't even on the ballot here.

I'm considering it just to see Paul win a state and hear Romney explain how, even when it came down to a race between him and the party's Crazy Uncle, he just couldn't win.

23 erik_t  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:23:50pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

Even this story alone should have the GOP's hair turning white. This is a "must-win" state for both candidates, for Romney to maintain his "inevitability" cred, and for Santorum to end Romney's "inevitability," and yet they're stuck in a dead heat in the last hours.

Really, the only way Romney could come away tonight looking good is if he got a solid win, but I just don't see it happening. If he wins tonight, it's gonna be within 5% of the vote, which means tomorrow people are gonna be asking why they should vote for a guy who can't even put the competition away on his own home turf.

The media hates a decided race and will certainly take no action to facilitate Romney's spin. He'll come out of the night with a 3:1 delegate advantage over Santorum, and that'll be a media loss; the last quarter of delegates wouldn't change anything.

24 Simply Sarah  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:25:09pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

Even this story alone should have the GOP's hair turning white. This is a "must-win" state for both candidates, for Romney to maintain his "inevitability" cred, and for Santorum to end Romney's "inevitability," and yet they're stuck in a dead heat in the last hours.

Really, the only way Romney could come away tonight looking good is if he got a solid win, but I just don't see it happening. If he wins tonight, it's gonna be within 5% of the vote, which means tomorrow people are gonna be asking why they should vote for a guy who can't even put the competition away on his own home turf.

I think one mistake Romney may have made was playing along with the whole "home state" thing. I mean, yes, he was born and mostly raised in Michigan, but he has basically had nothing to do with it since he was a teenager. Yes, his dad was a popular governor, but that was almost 45 years ago. I just don't see his links with the state being all that strong and just makes this whole angle a liability.

25 Kragar  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:25:09pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

I'm considering being one of those voters next month but Santorum and Newt aren't even on the ballot here.

If the CA primary allows write ins, I'm voting for Obama.

26 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:25:17pm

re: #22 Targetpractice

I'm considering it just to see Paul win a state and hear Romney explain how, even when it came down to a race between him and the party's Crazy Uncle, he just couldn't win.

I think Romney wins here but god I'd love to see the egg on McDonnell's face if that happened. He's endorsed Mitt and I think he wants to be Mitt's number 2 which is why he backed out of the vaginal ultrasounds so quickly because he knows it will hurt him nationally.

27 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:25:54pm

re: #9 HappyWarrior

"Christianity doesn't hold the answers to all of life's issues."

42!

28 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:26:12pm

re: #25 Kragar

If the CA primary allows write ins, I'm voting for Obama.

Va doesn't. When Jim Webb first ran for senate here, I seriously considered writing in Thomas Jefferson because I didn't like him or Harris Miller. Webb grew on me though so I ended up making the right decision.

29 zora  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:26:31pm

re: #19 Kragar

Plus the "lets fuck with the GOP" voters

Republican PAC’s Robocall Also Tells MI Dems To Vote Santorum To Spite Romney (AUDIO)

Rick Santorum’s campaign to get Michigan Democrats to vote for him on Tuesday seems to be getting a bit of help from a third party political action committee.

Several TPM readers in Michigan report they have received phone calls that say they are paid for by the Republican political action committee Freedom’s Defense Fund. A woman’s voice asks Democrats to cast ballots for Rick Santorum to send a message to Mitt Romney and Gov. Rick Snyder (R).

[Link: 2012.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

30 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:28:52pm

If Romney only paid 13.9% in taxes, that's okay as long as he was playing by the rules.

If he loses to Santorum due to a lot of "piss in the soup" Democratic voters, then that's okay, because they were just playing by the rules.

31 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:29:25pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

I like this part:

he backed out of the vaginal ultrasounds so quickly because he knows it will hurt him

32 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:29:58pm

Sorry, I'm still kinda sick...

33 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:30:13pm

re: #30 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

If Romney only paid 13.9% in taxes, that's okay as long as he was playing by the rules.

If he loses to Santorum due to a lot of "piss in the soup" Democratic voters, then that's okay, because they were just playing by the rules.

Yep. I can see Mitt whining though if this happens since Mitt thinks only he can bend the rules. See his reaction to having his words twisted but having no problem doing the same to the president. Mitt's a snobby little brat who thinks he's entitled to the presidency.

34 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:31:08pm
35 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:31:31pm

re: #31 wrenchwench

I like this part:

Did you read here or elsewhere about the delegate who didn't get sex from his wife as punishment? I actually worked for that guy's opponent doing some canvassing and a couple friends of mine were the campaign manager and canvassing coordinator. A true grassroots campaign and the candidate, Jack was just the nicest guy. Later got to have a beer with him.

36 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:35:26pm

re: #23 erik_t

The media hates a decided race and will certainly take no action to facilitate Romney's spin. He'll come out of the night with a 3:1 delegate advantage over Santorum, and that'll be a media loss; the last quarter of delegates wouldn't change anything.

Thing is that, even if Romney wins, he loses. The convention may see him made the nominee, but not without some serious concessions on his part, such as having the VP picked for him. Otherwise, we might very well see a brokered convention, which the GOP no doubt wants to avoid at all costs.

37 Kragar  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:35:39pm

Rush Limbaugh’s Sexist Comment Against Danica Patrick: ‘What Do You Expect From A Woman Driver?’


She was talking, Danica Patrick was talking about Obama’s contraception ruling. She was not speaking in general though it applies generally… She said, “I leave it up to the government to make good decisions for America.” … What do you expect from a woman driver? I don’t know why everybody was so shocked.

38 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:35:52pm

Several GOP Voters Turn Out To Vote In Primary

make effort to care about who wins nomination about what something um when's the game on wtf who cares ennyway...

39 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:36:32pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Yep. I can see Mitt whining though if this happens since Mitt thinks only he can bend the rules. See his reaction to having his words twisted but having no problem doing the same to the president. Mitt's a snobby little brat who thinks he's entitled to the presidency.

He dare not whine or this will come back to bite his butt:

[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

"...During his '08 White House bid, it was revealed that Romney voted for Paul Tsongas (D) in the 1992 Democratic primaries. Romney's explanation at the time: "When there was no real contest in the Republican primary, I'd vote in the Democrat primary, vote for the person who I thought would be the weakest opponent for a Republican."

40 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:36:36pm

re: #37 Kragar

Rush Limbaugh’s Sexist Comment Against Danica Patrick: ‘What Do You Expect From A Woman Driver?’

What do I expect from a bloated college dropout? Crap and more crap.

41 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:36:36pm

Anybody?
So within the GOP, how do the customary GOP disenfranchisement efforts play out? Hurts the establishment or the TP segment more?

42 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:37:56pm

re: #24 Simply Sarah

I think one mistake Romney may have made was playing along with the whole "home state" thing. I mean, yes, he was born and mostly raised in Michigan, but he has basically had nothing to do with it since he was a teenager. Yes, his dad was a popular governor, but that was almost 45 years ago. I just don't see his links with the state being all that strong and just makes this whole angle a liability.

That's because, up til a couple weeks ago, Romney really wasn't campaigning in the state. Remember, as recently as last month, he was the run-away favorite to win Michigan and so saw no reason to do more than send out a few campaign fliers. But then Santorum won three in a row and started to surge in the polls and once again Romney's "inevitability" came into question.

He has to put Santorum away tonight in a very real way. Otherwise, he might as well start writing his concession speech.

43 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:39:21pm

I still somehow expect Mitt to win the nomination, the Party cannot afford it any other way.

But he will be heavily damaged from the primaries and the party base will be so disgusted at having an "establishment" candidate foisted on him that he will be able generate almost no enthusiasm among conservative voters, while his right-wing swing to capture the GOP nomination will have turned off a large share of moderate voters.

44 Gus  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:39:46pm
45 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:39:51pm

re: #37 Kragar

Rush Limbaugh’s Sexist Comment Against Danica Patrick: ‘What Do You Expect From A Woman Driver?’

Rush Limbaugh: Inveterate bigot, sexist, and all-around dickhead.

46 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:39:55pm

romney can no longer win - he can only "win"

47 Kragar  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:40:56pm

Virginia State Senate Passes Revised Ultrasound Bill

You cannot vote these assholes into office, ever.

48 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:41:28pm

re: #47 Kragar

Virginia State Senate Passes Revised Ultrasound Bill

You cannot vote these assholes into office, ever.

I hope the idiots who gave the Virginia Republicans the majority in the state legislature are happy, sigh.

49 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:41:34pm

re: #44 Gus

And he helped make it happen.

50 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:43:24pm

The big thing about today is how it fuels expectations over next week.

Next week is Super Tuesday. It's the day we find out if Romney's going to put it away or if it's going to be a long slog.

51 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:43:25pm

re: #41 Daniel Ballard

Anybody?
So within the GOP, how do the customary GOP disenfranchisement efforts play out? Hurts the establishment or the TP segment more?

Since those efforts are aimed at Democrats, the question does not compute. I suppose it would affect those who are less likely to be registered already, so definitely not the establishment.

52 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:44:54pm

re: #43 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

I still somehow expect Mitt to win the nomination, the Party cannot afford it any other way.

But he will be heavily damaged from the primaries and the party base will be so disgusted at having an "establishment" candidate foisted on him that he will be able generate almost no enthusiasm among conservative voters, while his right-wing swing to capture the GOP nomination will have turned off a large share of moderate voters.

It's why there's increasing talk about a brokered convention, as a Romney nomination would pretty much kill not only the GOP's chances at the presidency, but also be toxic in Congressional races. Even if they succeeded in talking him into adopting a more "base-friendly" VP, it would be seen as a joke.

53 Simply Sarah  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:45:14pm

re: #47 Kragar

Virginia State Senate Passes Revised Ultrasound Bill

You cannot vote these assholes into office, ever.

Those fuckers.

54 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:47:50pm

re: #47 Kragar

Virginia State Senate Passes Revised Ultrasound Bill

You cannot vote these assholes into office, ever.

Like how they call it a "revised" bill, when all they really did was change one condition of it so as to give McDonnell an excuse to sign it now. The rest of the bill is still as radioactive as ever, but it hasn't gotten the sort of play that the wanding has, so by McDonnell playing up his "opposition" to the mandatory nature of the wand, he can now sign this pile of pigshit knowing that nobody will raise an alarm about the rest of it until it's too late.

55 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:48:23pm

re: #53 Simply Sarah

Those fuckers rapers.

FTFY.

Deleted some other commentary.

56 BongCrodny  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:49:34pm

re: #7 Bulworth

Not sure there is a statement wacky enough to end a GOP campaign now.

"All things considered, this feller Obama's done a pretty good job."

57 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:49:50pm

Knowing McDonnell and how slimy he is, he'll use the fact he backed out of the vaginal ultrasound as an "example" that he's bipartisan. He's not. He's a hack. Always has been. Just bums me that he got elected in a landslide. Sigh Creigh Deeds why didn't run a better campaign. It should have been at least close.

58 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:50:43pm

re: #56 BongCrodny

"All things considered, this feller Obama's done a pretty good job."

"I think this president is focused on fighting terrorists." You know that would ruin a candidate since the GOP base wants to hear that Obama wants to give every terrorist a big hug even though that Bin Laden guy may disagree.

59 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:53:52pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

Knowing McDonnell and how slimy he is, he'll use the fact he backed out of the vaginal ultrasound as an "example" that he's bipartisan. He's not. He's a hack. Always has been. Just bums me that he got elected in a landslide. Sigh Creigh Deeds why didn't run a better campaign. It should have been at least close.

Which is why he'll likely be brought on as VP if Romney wins the nomination, as he'll likely sell this whole episode as showing he's "open" to concerns from voters while also remaining "true to his principles." And that the Dems lied about this being a war on women, but really all about "informed consent" and making women "aware" of the choice they were making.

60 Kragar  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:54:53pm

Thanks, GOP candidates, for move to far right

To appeal to the Republican base voter these days, GOP candidates are earnestly discussing ways to dismantle government — whether it’s the Energy Department, Education Department or … whatever the third one is. The far right is focused on shrinking government so small that it drowns in a bathtub — but reappears in state-mandated vaginal ultrasound probes.

Attacking the massive deficits that “harm our children’s future” by proposing tax cuts that add a whopping $5 trillion to the deficit. Skewering the rescue of the auto industry in one commercial while boasting about being pro-manufacturing in the next.

Indeed, the long primary will mean that the newly invigorated far right has ensured that the so-called traditional conservatives — like my dad’s generation, the save-your-money, make-prudent-but-conservative-investments kind of conservatives, the pragmatists who are uneasy with the cultural battles — well, they’re obviously disposable.

Dad couldn’t care less about legislating access to women’s contraception or ordering vaginal ultrasound probes — the very subjects make him uncomfortable. He cares about rational economic policy. But his party has left him, gone to tea.

61 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:55:05pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

"I think this president is focused on fighting terrorists." You know that would ruin a candidate since the GOP base wants to hear that Obama wants to give every terrorist a big hug even though that Bin Laden guy may disagree.

"Obama wants to cut the corporate tax rate to boost the economy!"

Except part of that plan involves closing a lot of the loopholes that allow companies like GE to get away with paying no taxes at all...

62 Kragar  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:56:47pm

re: #61 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

"Obama wants to cut the corporate tax rate to boost the economy!"

Except part of that plan involves closing a lot of the loopholes that allow companies like GE to get away with paying no taxes at all...

"Job creation has more to do with the average American having money in his pocket than with giving a Corporation a tax break."

63 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:57:03pm

re: #61 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

"Obama wants to cut the corporate tax rate to boost the economy!"

Except part of that plan involves closing a lot of the loopholes that allow companies like GE to get away with paying no taxes at all...

Yeah, it's not about lower taxes, it's about weaseling out of paying taxes.

64 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:58:02pm

re: #61 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

"Obama wants to cut the corporate tax rate to boost the economy!"

Except part of that plan involves closing a lot of the loopholes that allow companies like GE to get away with paying no taxes at all...

That's one thing he should play up big in his campaign this fall, that the GOP regularly demonizes working class folks who are seen as "free-loaders" for not paying income taxes, but champions companies that pay no taxes at all.

65 Gus  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:58:47pm

re: #60 Kragar

Thanks, GOP candidates, for move to far right

Here lies the Republican Party
1854-2012

66 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:58:59pm

re: #64 Targetpractice

That's one thing he should play up big in his campaign this fall, that the GOP regularly demonizes working class folks who are seen as "free-loaders" for not paying income taxes, but champions companies that pay no taxes at all.

He should totally do that. Really if they're going to call him an elitist, show them for the real elitists they are.

67 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:59:22pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Yeah, it's not about lower taxes, it's about weaseling out of paying taxes.

and its not about hiring more engineers and workforce to produce more products/services, it's about hiring more lawyers to produce more tax exemptions/deductions/deferrals...

68 Gus  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:59:49pm

Cause of death: Suicide (self-inflicted tea leaf poisoning)

69 bluecheese  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:00:14pm

i recall that some dems (kos was calling for it) were voting for mitt 4 years ago to prolong the race. mitt won that go round.

at the time, i didn't think there were enough hard leftys to really make a difference. i still dont think so.

we'll see tonight.

(must be hard for pollsters to figure out what's gonna happen)

70 BongCrodny  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:00:37pm

Back in the 70's, Marvel Comics had a comic book called "Rom," which was about a man stuck in the body of a cyborg.

Now we have Romney, a cyborg stuck in the body of a man.

71 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:01:17pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

He should totally do that. Really if they're going to call him an elitist, show them for the real elitists they are.

The GOP's been playing up this "skin in the game" business for months now, alongside "corporations are people, my friend." Yes, corporations are "people" who apparently don't need "skin in the game" to dictate tax policies, pollution laws, zoning laws, etc.

72 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:02:47pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

The GOP's been playing up this "skin in the game" business for months now, alongside "corporations are people, my friend." Yes, corporations are "people" who apparently don't need "skin in the game" to dictate tax policies, pollution laws, zoning laws, etc.

the more they save on taxes, the more they have to invest in buying politicians to tweak the rules in their favor.

73 aagcobb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:03:12pm

This presidential race is so bizarre its hard to put thoughts about it into words. Santorum, Gingrich and Paul obviously have no business being the presidential nominee of a major party, and yet Romney continues to struggle to get any traction in this race. I don't know if that says more about Romney's weakness as a candidate or if it says more about how insane the GOP has become. An article on The Daily Beast said Romney is basically walking a fine line between saying just enough crazy stuff to win enough votes from the Base to get nominated while at the same time signaling to swing voters that he doesn't really believe this crazy stuff and they can trust him to be a sane president. Its obviously pretty hard to convince anyone you are sincere about anything if you are playing that kind of game.

74 Kragar  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:03:14pm

re: #70 BongCrodny

Back in the 70's, Marvel Comics had a comic book called "Rom," which was about a man stuck in the body of a cyborg.

Now we have Romney, a cyborg stuck in the body of a man.

Excuse me, but Rom was Space Knight, thank you very much, and he was an alien whose mind was in a robotic body to fight the Dire Wraiths.

Get your comics straight man.

75 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:04:28pm

re: #14 Kragar

I just like the fact that the nomination process won't be wrapped up before we reach the CA primary for once.

So we can be subjected to attack advertising 24 hours per day for a month? Waaah, why do you hate Californians?

76 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:05:42pm

re: #75 Schadenfreude 'r' Us

So we can be subjected to attack advertising 24 hours per day for a month? Waaah, why do you hate Californians?

Why, because you're a bastion of liberalness, of course. ///

77 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:05:57pm

Honestly I've been of the thought for the past few years that Romney's an overrated candidate. Sure he "sounds" and "looks" like a president but he's a shitty candidate and panders like crazy. And as much a deal as he makes of his business experience, it's not like he came up with an innovative product and my understanding is he laid more people off than he hired. He's a spineless hypocrite who sees this race as more a means of adding to his resume rather than helping the country.

78 Kragar  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:05:59pm

re: #75 Schadenfreude 'r' Us

So we can be subjected to attack advertising 24 hours per day for a month? Waaah, why do you hate Californians?

I don't watch TV.

79 aagcobb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:06:09pm

re: #75 Schadenfreude 'r' Us

So we can be subjected to attack advertising 24 hours per day for a month? Waaah, why do you hate Californians?

Think of it as a redistributive tax on billionares.

80 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:06:17pm

Market seems to have closed above 13000. Of course those are manipulated data from the Government Czars, disseminated by the in-the-tank lamestream media. ACORN, too.

81 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:07:10pm

re: #80 Decatur Deb

Market seems to have closed above 13000. Of course those are manipulated data from the Government Czars, disseminated by the in-the-tank lamestream media. ACORN, too.

George Soros.

82 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:08:35pm

re: #79 Corporationsarepeopletoo

Posters who regularly change their display names should be required to use an avatar to avoid the discombobulation of fellow posters.

83 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:09:24pm

re: #73 Corporationsarepeopletoo

This presidential race is so bizarre its hard to put thoughts about it into words. Santorum, Gingrich and Paul obviously have no business being the presidential nominee of a major party, and yet Romney continues to struggle to get any traction in this race. I don't know if that says more about Romney's weakness as a candidate or if it says more about how insane the GOP has become. An article on The Daily Beast said Romney is basically walking a fine line between saying just enough crazy stuff to win enough votes from the Base to get nominated while at the same time signaling to swing voters that he doesn't really believe this crazy stuff and they can trust him to be a sane president. Its obviously pretty hard to convince anyone you are sincere about anything if you are playing that kind of game.

Thing is that, from all appearances, neither side believes a word that he says. There's only one man that Willard Romney's concerned about, and that's Willard Romney.

84 BongCrodny  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:09:43pm

re: #74 Kragar

Excuse me, but Rom was Space Knight, thank you very much, and he was an alien whose mind was in a robotic body to fight the Dire Wraiths.

Get your comics straight man.

No space between "Space" and "Knight."

Just because I selectively edit for alleged humor content does not make me less a comics geek than you. :-)

85 Coracle  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:10:20pm

re: #80 Decatur Deb

Market seems to have closed above 13000. Of course those are manipulated data from the Government Czars, disseminated by the in-the-tank lamestream media. ACORN, too.

Damn communists.

It's all part of a plot to raise the economy back to pre-recession levels, lull us into a false sense of security, then take away our guns and force us to read the Koran.

86 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:10:53pm

re: #85 Coracle

re: #80 Decatur Deb

Damn communists.

It's all part of a plot to raise the economy back to pre-recession levels, lull us into a false sense of security, then take away our guns and force us to read the Koran.

and force us all into same sex marriages and use birth control.

87 Coracle  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:11:33pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

and force us all into same sex marriages and use birth control.

Yes! Insult to injury.

And attend Atheist Church.

88 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:12:17pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

and force us all into same sex marriages and use birth control.

In college.

89 Kragar  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:12:33pm

re: #84 BongCrodny

No space between "Space" and "Knight."

Just because I selectively edit for alleged humor content does not make me less a comics geek than you. :-)

Its only humorous if you get the back story right.
/

Plus, I actually owned one of the ROM action figures.

90 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:15:56pm

re: #87 Coracle

Yes! Insult to injury.

And attend Atheist Church.

And attend Athiest Mosque!

91 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:16:25pm

re: #88 Decatur Deb

In college.

What a snob!

92 BongCrodny  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:17:00pm

re: #89 Kragar

Its only humorous if you get the back story right.
/

Plus, I actually owned one of the ROM action figures.

I never bought the books, but I used to read them obsessively at the corner pharmacy.

I seem to remember that every issue was *exactly* the same, and I would marvel (no pun intended) that the damn thing was still being published.

93 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:20:06pm

OK, now it's getting silly. (Note link is via Memorandum's post of a CNS link.)

Sex-Crazed Co-Eds Going Broke Buying Birth Control, Student Tells Pelosi Hearing Touting Freebie Mandate


[Link: cnsnews.com...]

94 Gus  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:21:27pm

Dow closes above 13,000 for first time since financial crisis
By Joe Bel Bruno

Wall Street's bulls have reason to celebrate: The Dow Jones industrial average closed above the psychologically important 13,000 mark for the first time since the financial crisis began in 2008.

The stock market’s best-known indicator has climbed more than 2,000 points in just four months, rising 20% from its recent low of 10,655.30 on Oct. 3. The blue chips' latest milestone has been driven by a stream of evidence indicating that the U.S. economy is on the mend.

The broader market also shared the rally, with the Standard & Poor’s 500 and technology-heavy Nasdaq finishing the session higher...

95 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:21:45pm

re: #93 Decatur Deb

OK, now it's getting silly. (Note link is via Memorandum's post of a CNS link.)

Sex-Crazed Co-Eds Going Broke Buying Birth Control, Student Tells Pelosi Hearing Touting Freebie Mandate

[Link: cnsnews.com...]

I believe that's the GT student that lost an ovary or her friend did.

96 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:22:01pm

re: #94 Gus

Dow closes above 13,000 for first time since financial crisis
By Joe Bel Bruno

Damn socialist!

97 aagcobb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:23:11pm

re: #82 wrenchwench

Posters who regularly change their display names should be required to use an avatar to avoid the discombobulation of fellow posters.

Don't oppress me with your rules, man!

98 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:23:24pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

I believe that's the GT student that lost an ovary or her friend did.

GT recruiters high-five and tie one on.

99 Coracle  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:23:41pm

re: #93 Decatur Deb

OK, now it's getting silly. (Note link is via Memorandum's post of a CNS link.)

Sex-Crazed Co-Eds Going Broke Buying Birth Control, Student Tells Pelosi Hearing Touting Freebie Mandate

[Link: cnsnews.com...]

Nop notch slut-shaming in the comments there.

100 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:24:03pm

re: #99 Coracle

Nop notch slut-shaming in the comments there.

By people of the highest moral character I am sure.//

101 Lidane  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:24:37pm

re: #94 Gus

Dow closes above 13,000 for first time since financial crisis
By Joe Bel Bruno

Worst. Socialist. EVER.

102 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:24:43pm

re: #99 Coracle

Nop notch slut-shaming in the comments there.

I was just about to post about this jaw-dropper.

103 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:25:22pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

Is this a parody or on the level? I can no longer be sure these days...

104 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:25:50pm

re: #97 Youcan'ttouchthis

Don't oppress me with your rules, man!

Eh, just wait. Soon you'll be the only one who hasn't selected a personal avatar, known as 'the guy with the football'.

105 Kragar  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:27:33pm

re: #93 Decatur Deb

OK, now it's getting silly. (Note link is via Memorandum's post of a CNS link.)

Sex-Crazed Co-Eds Going Broke Buying Birth Control, Student Tells Pelosi Hearing Touting Freebie Mandate

[Link: cnsnews.com...]

Its hormone control preventing other serious health issues, but those dumb fucks just want to talk about sex.

106 Coracle  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:27:37pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

The sad part for me is it's so utterly expected, the vitriol doesn't floor me at all.

107 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:28:49pm

Guys like that writer are the same people who think people who voted for Obama did so because they thought he'd give them free shit.

108 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:28:50pm

re: #94 Gus

Dow closes above 13,000 for first time since financial crisis
By Joe Bel Bruno

Not to worry, I've already been assured by wingnuts that it's all an illusion, that it's all being fueled by government money and Obama's buddies, and that it will collapse before the election because it's a "false" recovery.

The wingers seem to be scared shitless that all this good news will continue into the fall, because a bad economy's all they had to run on and it's being stripped from them, piece by piece.

109 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:31:59pm

Confusion alert: There are two CNS organizations. This is Cybercast News Service, a RW astroturf shop. There is also Catholic News Services, sometimes abbreviated CNS. And some times the difference doesn't matter.

111 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:38:57pm

re: #110 Gus

DOW: 5 year graph also showing Bush's decline and Obama's rise in the DOW of approximate 96 percent.

But but Obama bankrupted the economy. Rush Limbaugh the brilliant economist told me so!

112 Kragar  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:39:08pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

$3,000 for birth control in three years? That’s a thousand dollars a year of sex – and, she wants us to pay for it.

What the hell? 3 grand is like a Friday night with a DC escort, and the GOP politicians have us pay them for that all the time.
/

113 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:39:33pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

But but Obama bankrupted the economy. Rush Limbaugh the brilliant economist told me so!

114 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:40:04pm

re: #110 Gus

DOW: 5 year graph also showing Bush's decline and Obama's rise in the DOW of approximate 96 percent.

Word is that the thing that put the Dow over the 13K mark today was the release at 10am of a stronger than expected consumer confidence report. It seems that consumers, seeing last month's jobs numbers, are getting confident that the recovery is actually happening and getting out there to spend again.

115 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:40:27pm

re: #112 Kragar

What the hell? 3 grand is like a Friday night with a DC escort, and the GOP politicians have us pay them for that all the time.
/

I think Senator Vitter's diaper bill is higher than 3 grand.

116 Gus  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:40:28pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

But but Obama bankrupted the economy. Rush Limbaugh the brilliant economist told me so!

Doocy and the rest of the Fox "News" dipshits will be spinning away tomorrow morning.

117 Kragar  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:41:16pm

re: #116 Gus

Doocy and the rest of the Fox "News" dipshits will be spinning away tomorrow morning.

Douchey.

118 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:41:36pm

re: #116 Gus

Doocy and the rest of the Fox "News" dipshits will be spinning away tomorrow morning.

"Obama's fake unemployment 'drop' generated fake consumer confidence, which is pushing a fake boom. We're still very much in deep shit, folks, so get back to hating Obama."

119 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:42:20pm

"Obama's fake dead Bin Laden along with Obama's fake restoring of America's image in the world. And to top it off he says I alot!"

120 AK-47%  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:43:34pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

"Obama's fake unemployment 'drop' generated fake consumer confidence, which is pushing a fake boom. We're still very much in deep shit, folks, so get back to hating Obama."

Gasoline prices will continue to rise, which will be blamed on Obama for not doing more to encourage domestic (which they take to also mean Canadian) drilling.

121 Tigger2  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:56:01pm

re: #120 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Gasoline prices will continue to rise, which will be blamed on Obama for not doing more to encourage domestic (which they take to also mean Canadian) drilling.

More oil drilling won't bring oil prices down that's a right wing fantasy.

122 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 2:05:10pm

re: #114 Targetpractice

What was up with the durable goods worst in 3 years?

123 ElCapitanAmerica  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 2:25:46pm
But Santorum spouts one crazy line after another, and his popularity just keeps growing.

Well, Romney is not getting enough credit for his own crazy/rambling speeches. Sure they are not as fiery, but they're "inventive" enough ...

Romney on Trees, Lakes, and Car World Domination


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