Daily Caller: ‘There Should Be Humiliation and Pain in Government Assistance’

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Earlier we had our Wingnut Jaw-Dropper of the Day, but now we have our Crazed Right Wing Social Engineering Scheme of the Day, in a blatantly racist, hallucinatory article by Brion McClanahan at the Daily Caller: ‘Damn, I just want some jam’.

For those of you who missed it, several months ago “Mr. EBT” went viral with his hit tune “My EBT.” Classic examples of Shakespearean prose from the song include this passage: “Damn, I just want some jam. Walkin’ down the aisle ’cause I’m lookin’ for the haaaamm. Wham! Where da hell da cheese at?” And who could forget this line: “I wish I could buy some weed with my EBT, but the drug dealer frontin’ me. I mean, who cares? I mean, who cares? It’s an EBT, it’s not food stamps.” Catchy and brilliant! Mr. EBT is quite the wordsmith. Of course, he would lose his street cred without his Yankees hat and leather coat. Heck, it wasn’t even his Electronic Benefit Transfer card! He “borrowed” it from his sister! And now we have Jesse Jackson telling us Barack Obama should be honored to be the “food stamp president” because food stamps pay for everything under the sun and save lives. What’s going on, America?

McClanahan has a solution to this plague of lesser races leeching off patriotic citizens like himself; he envisions a perverse right wing socialism, in which giant centralized government stores dispense generic products directly to an underclass of food stamp recipients. If that sounds bizarre and dehumanizing, that’s because it is, deliberately.

McClanahan would also take away the right to vote from anyone receiving government aid, and subject them to monthly drug testing … because in his view, these people are “slaves to the government,” who should be humiliated and made to suffer as much as possible.

Wow.

Fourth, anyone who accepts government aid would have to submit to a monthly tobacco and drug test. Food stamp recipients are, after all, wards of the state. They are slaves to the government and should be reminded of that fact. If a recipient is found to have tobacco or drugs in his system, he would be dropped from the program. People on government aid would also lose the privilege of voting. That way they couldn’t vote for greater benefits or easier terms (most of them don’t vote, but now they couldn’t). …

There should be humiliation and pain in government assistance. Every time someone accepts food stamps, they are spitting on the principles of independence, and they, not the taxpayers who fund the program, should be reminded of that fact.

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306 comments
1 Kragar  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:15:20pm

Just when you think they've hit bottom, they pull out the blasting caps

2 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:15:44pm

What this guy proposes is a huge increase in the government, by the way.

3 Lidane  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:16:20pm
McClanahan would also take away the right to vote from anyone receiving government aid

Well, that's one way to disenfranchise college students accepting financial aid, and the poor who rely on Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid.

I'll bet money that it doesn't apply to corporate persons, though. Or farmers receiving government subsidies.

4 Altermite  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:16:37pm

the gop plan for winning the election is making liberal heads explode from reading these things.

5 erik_t  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:16:58pm

Whoops, starting to look a little bit evil. Better roll out a few more 'Party of Lincoln' references. That'll freshen the party right up.

6 Tigger2005  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:17:01pm

So, will corporate welfare recipients be subjected to said pain and humiliation as well?

7 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:17:01pm

He also appears to be really ignorant of the actual food stamp and assistance usage statistics in the country. But then again, that's not playing to the desired narrative for the day.

8 Lidane  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:17:47pm

re: #2 Obdicut

What this guy proposes is a huge increase in the government, by the way.

I'm also wondering how it's legal. Denying the right to vote because of government aid? How the hell is that not a violation of the 24th Amendment?

9 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:17:56pm
McClanahan has a solution to this plague of lesser races leeching off patriotic citizens like himself; he envisions a perverse right wing version fo socialism, in which giant centralized government stores dispense generic products directly to food stamp recipients. If that sounds bizarre and dehumanizing, that’s because it is, deliberately.

Reads more like a line out of "How to Stalinize America." How socialist of him.

"Yes comrade, there is food for all! The bread line is over there!"

10 erik_t  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:18:09pm

And fuck the Constitution, obviously. Sort of de rigueur these days, but it needs to be repeated now and again.

11 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:18:40pm

re: #8 Lidane

I'm also wondering how it's legal. Denying the right to vote because of government aid? How the hell is that not a violation of the 24th Amendment?

Oh, of course it's illegal. This is the Daily Caller. It's not supposed to be a serious proposal, it's supposed to make the assholes reading it rub their nipples in delight as they contemplate their own fictional self-sufficiency.

12 Kragar  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:18:42pm

re: #2 Obdicut

What this guy proposes is a huge increase in the government, by the way.

When have they ever said they wanted less government? They said smaller, but never less.

13 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:18:55pm

Deus, Patria, Familia. Nothing else seems to matter to the right wing anymore.

Hey GOP? Francisco Franco is still dead.

14 nines09  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:19:25pm

This must be the GOP/TP talking point of the day; "Piss on everybody!"

15 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:22:44pm

re: #6 Tigger2005

So, will corporate welfare recipients be subjected to said pain and humiliation as well?

Hahaha, oh dear no.

16 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:22:46pm

He's bitter because the EBT card looks just like one of his credit cards.

They should be HUMILIATEDDD!!1!

17 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:23:45pm

"Slaves to the government." I can't get over that line.

18 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:24:32pm

ignorant moron is who?

Brion McClanahan received a B.A. in History from Salisbury University in 1997 and an M.A. in History from the University of South Carolina in 1999. He finished his Ph.D. in History at the University of South Carolina in 2006, and had the privilege of being Clyde Wilson's last doctoral student. He is the author or co-author of four books, The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Founding Fathers, (Regnery, 2009), The Founding Fathers Guide to the Constitution (Regnery History, 2012), Forgotten Conservatives in American History (Pelican, 2012), and The Politically Incorrect Guide to Real American Heroes, (Regnery, 2012). He has written for TheDailyCaller.com, LewRockwell.com, TheTenthAmendmentCenter.com, Townhall.com, and HumanEvents.com. McClanahan is a faculty member at Tom Woods' Liberty Classroom, has appeared on dozens of radio talk shows, and has spoken across the Southeast on the Founding Fathers and the founding principles of the United States. If you would like to book Dr. McClanahan for a speaking appearance, please send him an email with all pertinent information.

i would like to book him for a "speaking appearance" where i could pay him to shut the fuck up

19 erik_t  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:24:36pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

"Slaves to the government." I can't get over that line.

Uh, shit, uh.... LINCOLN LINCOLN LINCOLN LINCOLN LINCOLN LINCOLN LINCOLN.

20 Lidane  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:25:10pm

re: #6 Tigger2005

So, will corporate welfare recipients be subjected to said pain and humiliation as well?

Corporations are people, my friend. Rich people, who never, ever get government aid. Ever.

///

21 mr.fusion  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:26:04pm

This plan would apply to anyone receiving government assistance, right? Payroll taxcuts, oil subsidies, anyone using a public school or road? Or is it just for those free-loading “you know what’s”?

22 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:27:07pm

re: #18 engineer cat

ignorant moron is who?

Brion McClanahan received a B.A. in History from Salisbury University in 1997 and an M.A. in History from the University of South Carolina in 1999. He finished his Ph.D. in History at the University of South Carolina in 2006, and had the privilege of being Clyde Wilson's last doctoral student. He is the author or co-author of four books, The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Founding Fathers, (Regnery, 2009), The Founding Fathers Guide to the Constitution (Regnery History, 2012), Forgotten Conservatives in American History (Pelican, 2012), and The Politically Incorrect Guide to Real American Heroes, (Regnery, 2012). He has written for TheDailyCaller.com, LewRockwell.com, TheTenthAmendmentCenter.com, Townhall.com, and HumanEvents.com. McClanahan is a faculty member at Tom Woods' Liberty Classroom, has appeared on dozens of radio talk shows, and has spoken across the Southeast on the Founding Fathers and the founding principles of the United States. If you would like to book Dr. McClanahan for a speaking appearance, please send him an email with all pertinent information.

i would like to book him for a "speaking appearance" where i could pay him to shut the fuck up

not to mention that both of this moron's alma maters are public universities

23 Lidane  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:27:31pm

re: #21 mr.fusion

This plan would apply to anyone receiving government assistance, right? Payroll taxcuts, oil subsidies, anyone using a public school or road? Or is it just for those free-loading “you know what’s”?

It's for those freeloading you know what's that he doesn't like.

It's also for college students on financial aid or receiving grants, and for the poor that rely on Medicaid, Social Security, and Medicare.

24 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:29:08pm

re: #21 mr.fusion

It's for people who don't make enough money. They need to be humiliated. As though we don't already have a consumerist society set up to do exactly that.

25 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:32:10pm

///I suggest that the population of every state that takes in more federal aid than they pay taxes to the federal government should loose the ability to vote. Alaska we can start with you.

26 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:33:21pm

re: #25 jamesfirecat

Hell, let's get this over with and just let people vote according to how much money they have. Every buck gets you a vote.

27 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:33:27pm

Daily Caller: ‘There Should Be Humiliation and Pain in Government Assistance to corporations

fixed

28 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:33:40pm

re: #23 Lidane

It's for those freeloading you know what's that he doesn't like.

It's also for college students on financial aid or receiving grants, and for the poor that rely on Medicaid, Social Security, and Medicare.

But only for those who blame their poverty on anything other than "big government."

29 jaunte  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:35:25pm

re: #22 engineer cat

M.A. in History from the University of South Carolina

Where he learned about "The War of Northern Aggression."

30 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:36:11pm
31 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:36:44pm

re: #22 engineer cat

not to mention that both of this moron's alma maters are public universities

OF COURSE LOL

32 darthstar  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:37:27pm

I knew it! People ask for government assistance because it's a status symbol.
//

33 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:39:25pm

re: #18 engineer cat

ignorant moron is who?

Brion McClanahan received a B.A. in History from Salisbury University in 1997 and an M.A. in History from the University of South Carolina in 1999. He finished his Ph.D. in History at the University of South Carolina in 2006, and had the privilege of being Clyde Wilson's last doctoral student. He is the author or co-author of four books, The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Founding Fathers, (Regnery, 2009), The Founding Fathers Guide to the Constitution (Regnery History, 2012), Forgotten Conservatives in American History (Pelican, 2012), and The Politically Incorrect Guide to Real American Heroes, (Regnery, 2012). He has written for TheDailyCaller.com, LewRockwell.com, TheTenthAmendmentCenter.com, Townhall.com, and HumanEvents.com. McClanahan is a faculty member at Tom Woods' Liberty Classroom, has appeared on dozens of radio talk shows, and has spoken across the Southeast on the Founding Fathers and the founding principles of the United States. If you would like to book Dr. McClanahan for a speaking appearance, please send him an email with all pertinent information.

i would like to book him for a "speaking appearance" where i could pay him to shut the fuck up

Ah, one of those totally-lacking-in-empathy Libertarians.

34 carlaschluge  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:39:42pm

Free food, free cell phones, free contraceptives, free housing, free medical . . . except, it's not free, is it? Instead of a way of life, government assistance should be at subsistence level, and should be discouraged, so I agree with the premise of the article.

35 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:39:47pm

When conservatives keep making noises that they want to create an underclass of minorities who can't vote, believe them


True colors shining through! The new Klan doesn't need sheets, they just need blogs reach their fellow whitey

36 Gus  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:40:31pm

Charles. You might be interested in this.

[Link: www.stephendleeinstitute.com...]

He's listed there as being part of their faculty:

Brion McClanahan - Professor of History at Chattahoochee Valley Community College and author of The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Founding Fathers.

From there about us page:

About Us

The SCV’s Best Hope For Success is Knowledge of the Truth

One hundred years ago (1906) General Stephen D. Lee, Commander-in-Chief of the United Confederate Veterans, gave a charge to the next generation of Southerners. This charge has defined the mission of the Sons of Confederate Veterans ever since:

To you, Sons of Confederate Veterans, we submit THE VINDICATION OF THE CAUSE FOR WHICH WE FOUGHT; to your strength will be given the DEFENSE OF THE CONFEDERATE SOLDIER’S GOOD NAME, the guardianship of his history, the emulation of his virtues, THE PERPETUATION OF THE PRINCIPLES HE LOVED and which made him glorious and which you also cherish. Remember, it is your duty to see that THE TRUE HISTORY OF THE SOUTH IS PRESENTED TO FUTURE GENERATIONS....

He's a damn Confederate.

37 carlaschluge  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:40:51pm

re: #35 windupbird is in the gravity well

When conservatives keep making noises that they want to create an underclass of minorities who can't vote, believe them

True colors shining through! The new Klan doesn't need sheets, they just need blogs reach their fellow whitey

That's because the so-called "underclass" will keep voting to take things (unconstitutionally I might add) from those who produce.

38 erik_t  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:41:04pm

Cool, a multi-subject troll.

39 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:41:32pm

re: #34 carlaschluge


Are you going to jump the General Lee over Little Green Footballs today, sir


let me get my popcorn, you go fetch your overalls and your jug and whistle us a good ol' boy tune

40 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:42:06pm

re: #37 carlaschluge

That's because the so-called "underclass" will keep voting to take things (unconstitutionally I might add) from those who produce.

You're so being banned :D What fun, white man! Dance a jig for us before you're vaporized into internet giblets

41 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:42:22pm

re: #38 erik_t

Cool, a multi-subject troll.

He can think with his dick AND ass!

42 erik_t  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:42:22pm

I typed a few responses, but... but it's just so stupid. I refuse.

43 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:43:48pm

The poor are poor because they have chosen to be poor. Not being able to find a job is not an excuse for living off the government's, and by proxy my, teet. They could very easily try a little harder, give up being so damn lazy and create a business of their own. It's what the founding fathers would have done.

44 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:44:58pm

re: #36 Gus

Charles. You might be interested in this.

[Link: www.stephendleeinstitute.com...]

He's listed there as being part of their faculty:

From there about us page:

He's a damn Confederate.

I was just seeing that myself.

June
26th 2008

Come to the League of the South Summer Institute
RedPhillips

Posted under The South

The League of the South Summer Institute is 12 July. Get details here.

Dr. Clyde Wilson, Dr. Brion McClanahan, Ray McBerry, and Dr. David Aiken will speak on Southern Heroes; Lessons for Today. The Saturday program will last from 8:00 to 5:30.

I thought I caught a whiff of RS McCain...

45 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:45:29pm

re: #37 carlaschluge

That's because the so-called "underclass" will keep voting to take things (unconstitutionally I might add) from those who produce.

what do you "produce"?

46 Gus  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:45:30pm

re: #44 wrenchwench

I was just seeing that myself.

I thought I caught a whiff of RS McCain...

You have. Or at least it's pretty close.

47 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:45:58pm

re: #34 carlaschluge

Free food, free cell phones, free contraceptives, free housing, free medical . . . except, it's not free, is it? Instead of a way of life, government assistance should be at subsistence level, and should be discouraged, so I agree with the premise of the article.

How do you know it isn't already at subsistence level?

Also if a man doesn't have a cell phone, how do you expect people to contact him if they're giving him a job offer?

48 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:46:08pm

re: #37 carlaschluge

That's because the so-called "underclass" will keep voting to take things (unconstitutionally I might add) from those who produce.

But let me guess, you're entitled to Medicare and Social Security when you retire, right?

49 jaunte  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:46:10pm

"government assistance should be at subsistence level, and should be discouraged"

According to USASpending.gov, in 2010 there were $536.7 billion in government contracts awarded to approximately 303,000 contractors.
[Link: www.cnbc.com...]


Slaves of the government!

50 Gus  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:46:52pm

re: #44 wrenchwench

I was just seeing that myself.

I thought I caught a whiff of RS McCain...

From another page:

The Stephen D. Lee Institute’s goal is to organize accomplished and distinguished professional scholarship to inform our members and the general public of the Southern side of the war. To that end the Institute makes available recognized scholars to present such subjects as states' rights and the Constitutional aspects of the war; economic motives for invasion of the South; the dubious benevolence behind the slavery issue; Union Army war crimes and other unsavory aspects of the war against the South in 1861–1865; and other aspects of the true causes and nature of the war.

51 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:47:03pm

re: #37 carlaschluge

That's because the so-called "underclass" will keep voting to take things (unconstitutionally I might add) from those who produce.

As opposed to the "overclass" who will keep voting (and spending a few million in pocket change) to take things from those who actually produce in the form of tax cuts they clearly don't need.

52 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:47:29pm

re: #37 carlaschluge

That's because the so-called "underclass" will keep voting to take things (unconstitutionally I might add) from those who produce.

Sure is nice company you're putting yourself in with this time, Carl or Carla.

53 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:48:24pm

Would this elitist's opinion change if he knew that most food stamps recipients are white? That a large % work? That food stamps feed millions of children?

Unlikely, eh? If someone is pathetic enough to hate tens of millions of Americans for the simple fact that they're poor, it's doubtful that any of the specifics would alter his world view.

54 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:48:42pm

Free food, free cell phones, free contraceptives, free housing, free medical

it's a miracle that we all don't just quit our jobs and lounge around luxuriously on welfare

///

55 carlaschluge  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:48:46pm

re: #53 Talking Point Detective

Would this elitist's opinion change if he knew that most food stamps recipients are white? That a large % work? That food stamps feed millions of children?

Unlikely, eh? If someone is pathetic enough to hate tens of millions of Americans for the simple fact that they're poor, it's doubtful that any of the specifics would alter his world view.

No.

56 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:48:53pm

Well, that was fun


Get me some more constitutional scholars from The Ol' Miller Pond!

57 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:48:56pm

re: #51 jamesfirecat

As opposed to the "overclass" who will keep voting to take things from those who actually produce in the form of tax cuts they clearly don't need.

Come now, we know they can't be producers, because they wouldn't need government help if they did! Every person on welfare's a welfare king/queen who does nothing but sit at home all day, watching TV, wasting my tax dollars on booze and hookers!

58 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:49:14pm

re: #37 carlaschluge

That's because the so-called "underclass" will keep voting to take things (unconstitutionally I might add) from those who produce.

Underclass? You mean like bigots?

59 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:49:18pm

re: #52 wrenchwench

Sure is nice company you're putting yourself in with this time, Carl or Carla.

indeed

"underclass" - really???

60 sagehen  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:49:36pm

re: #37 carlaschluge

That's because the so-called "underclass" will keep voting to take things (unconstitutionally I might add) from those who produce.

I'm going to take a response (from somebody I've never met, to another post on another topic on another blog), because this just seems the exact perfect place for such a quote:

I keep thinking of responding to this…and then I keep thinking, what the fucking fuck? Don’t I have better things to do, like think about greasy black marsh mud? In South Carolina where my dad lives, there are several types of mud in the saltwater marsh, one of which is a peculiarly oily blackish-gray, and not only fetid with decomposed marsh grass roots but brutally slippery, such that if you step on a patch without realizing it you are likely to fall right on your ass with your hand on a pile of oyster shells, which will give you long, shallow but jagged cuts. And the cuts get full of mud too! Damn but that smarts. I think I’ma just think about that for a while; it’s more restful than considering whether anyone, anywhere, might be this much of a godforsaken moron, even a libertarian.

61 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:49:36pm

re: #55 carlaschluge

No.

So do you drink stew out of your boot or do you have a hat for that purpose

62 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:49:46pm

re: #34 carlaschluge

Free food, free cell phones, free contraceptives, free housing, free medical . . . except, it's not free, is it? Instead of a way of life, government assistance should be at subsistence level, and should be discouraged, so I agree with the premise of the article.

re: #37 carlaschluge

That's because the so-called "underclass" will keep voting to take things (unconstitutionally I might add) from those who produce.

Fuck off, you slimy sack of shit. That article goes beyond hateful, ignorant racism and straight into the sick sadism of monsters who enjoy torturing small animals. You've been coming in here every chance you get and leaving your stinking turds on the carpet. Go find a wingnut pigsty where you'll feel more at home rolling around in the collective mental filth that passes for right-wing "ideals" nowadays.

You're beyond pathetic & disgusting.

63 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:51:21pm

re: #43 Flaming Dumpster

The poor are poor because they have chosen to be poor. Not being able to find a job is not an excuse for living off the government's, and by proxy my, teet. They could very easily try a little harder, give up being so damn lazy and create a business of their own. It's what the founding fathers would have done.

With the momentary influx of "new ideas" to LGF, and the use of nic-nics, you probably want the sarc slashes for a while

64 carlaschluge  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:51:26pm

re: #59 engineer cat

indeed

"underclass" - really???

Note the quotes. I repeated the term that was used by one of you in his/jher in the earlier post.

65 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:51:29pm

re: #37 carlaschluge

That's because the so-called "underclass" will keep voting to take things (unconstitutionally I might add) from those who produce.

Good point. Tens of millions of American working poor. Tens of millions of American children born into poverty. Tens of millions of American seniors.

Bunch o' parasites if you ask me.

66 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:52:31pm

re: #64 carlaschluge

Note the quotes. I repeated the term that was used by one of you in his/jher in the earlier post.

Still suck pretty bad when it comes to citations, eh?

67 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:52:48pm

re: #45 engineer cat

what do you "produce"?

Gas.

68 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:53:08pm

re: #45 engineer cat

what do you "produce"?

Verbal diarrhea is apparently the only thing carlaschluge produces.

69 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:53:19pm

re: #64 carlaschluge

Note the quotes. I repeated the term that was used by one of you in his/jher in the earlier post.

way to miss the point!

70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:53:34pm

re: #62 CuriousLurker

You should be more outspoken.

I'm just sayin'...

71 jaunte  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:54:11pm

re: #37 carlaschluge

That's because the so-called "underclass" will keep voting to take things (unconstitutionally I might add) from those who produce.

You'd better run off to the Anglosphere, if you can find one.

72 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:54:48pm

re: #70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You should be more outspoken.

I'm just sayin'...

Some people just aren't cut out for lurkin'.

73 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:55:57pm

re: #70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You should be more outspoken.

I'm just sayin'...

Heh, well there are just some things that are way, way beyond the pale. Did I mention that I have a short fuse when it comes to certain subjects? //

74 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:56:44pm

re: #62 CuriousLurker

re: #37 carlaschluge

Fuck off, you slimy sack of shit. That article goes beyond hateful, ignorant racism and straight into the sick sadism of monsters who enjoy torturing small animals. You've been coming in here every chance you get and leaving your stinking turds on the carpet. Go find a wingnut pigsty where you'll feel more at home rolling around in the collective mental filth that passes for right-wing "ideals" nowadays.

You're beyond pathetic & disgusting.

Wow.
Good post.

75 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:57:39pm

re: #74 Flaming Dumpster

Wow.
Good post.

Needs moar scat.

76 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:58:19pm

re: #64 carlaschluge

Note the quotes. I repeated the term that was used by one of you in his/jher in the earlier post.

The term isn't the problem, it's the attitude that there is a group of people less worthy than you simply because they are poor.

77 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 3:59:01pm

re: #36 Gus

Charles. You might be interested in this.

[Link: www.stephendleeinstitute.com...]

He's listed there as being part of their faculty:

From there about us page:

He's a damn Confederate.

Yep, a racist neo-Confederate. I suspected as much when I saw the Lew Rockwell connection, and the Regnery Books.

78 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:00:33pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

Yep, a racist neo-Confederate. I suspected as much when I saw the Lew Rockwell connection, and the Regnery Books.

Chattahoochee Valley CC is about a half-hour east of the Von Mises loonery at Auburn. Don't ask how I know.

79 dragonfire1981  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:00:38pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

Yep, a racist neo-Confederate. I suspected as much when I saw the Lew Rockwell connection, and the Regnery Books.

Is this publisher noted for producing wingnut friendly stuff?

80 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:00:46pm

re: #37 carlaschluge

Come on folks, carla has to become the new anne france.

81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:01:08pm

I don't think we'll ever cure poverty. But we can sure as hell not have hungry neighbors.

82 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:01:38pm

re: #78 Decatur Deb

Chattahoochee Valley CC is about a half-hour east of the Von Mises loonery at Auburn. Don't ask how I know.

Actually, now I have to ask.

83 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:01:43pm

re: #81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't think we'll ever cure poverty. But we can sure as hell not have hungry neighbors.

///But how can we feel good about our wealth if we can't look our window and see the starving masses beyond?

84 Coracle  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:02:09pm

Inhumane.

As if it's not inhumane enough to have lost your job, and have to rely on a handout in order to survive. As if it's not humiliating enough to be stuck in a cycle of poverty because you were born there, or abandoned there.

85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:02:47pm

re: #83 jamesfirecat

///But how can we feel good about our wealth if we can't look our window and see the starving masses beyond?

Oh, let them eat... wait! It's my cake.

Let them eat something that's not my cake.

86 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:02:51pm

I'm going home to recuperate some more.

Later, lizards.

You too, Carl or Carla.

87 carlaschluge  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:03:21pm

re: #62 CuriousLurker

Fuck off, you slimy sack of shit. That article goes beyond hateful, ignorant racism and straight into the sick sadism of monsters who enjoy torturing small animals. You've been coming in here every chance you get and leaving your stinking turds on the carpet. Go find a wingnut pigsty where you'll feel more at home rolling around in the collective mental filth that passes for right-wing "ideals" nowadays.

You're beyond pathetic & disgusting.

Government assistance should be geared toward helping those on need of the basics. Government assistance should not be allowed to be a way of life. Unfortunately too many have become too dependent on Government handouts.

88 Gus  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:03:26pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

Yep, a racist neo-Confederate. I suspected as much when I saw the Lew Rockwell connection, and the Regnery Books.

Some other trash pieces of his:

Solidifying the Cult of Lincoln, Penny Wise
By Brion McClanahan

The Mount Rushmore Myth
By Brion McClanahan

Found here.

89 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:03:26pm

re: #82 Talking Point Detective

Actually, now I have to ask.

SIL finished there after he drank himself out of Auburn. Daughter 1 got all the booze out of him, but there is still a good bit of libertarian BS.

90 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:04:19pm

re: #87 carlaschluge

Government assistance should be geared toward helping those on need of the basics. Government assistance should not be allowed to be a way of life. Unfortunately too many have become too dependent on Government handouts.

What do you suggest should be done with those people and how do you tell if someone "has become too dependent on Government handouts"?

91 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:04:26pm

re: #62 CuriousLurker

Amen, preach it. 

92 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:04:43pm

O, Praise Be To Thee, Job Creators!

I Am Honored To Be Allowed To Labor In Your Private Company - Supreme In Its Overwhelming Efficiency And Social Darwinian Success And Winningness - Even Though You Don't Need Me And Are Self Sufficiently Producing All By Your Job Creating, Producer Class Self!!!

Woe Be To Me If I Ever Offend You, O Job Creators, Or Question Your Self Evident Superiority! I Know Well That I Need You More Than You Need Me, Since You Can Create Wealth Merely Through Your Sacred And Magical Business Acumen, Without Any Need For The Labor Of Unworthy Munchkins Such As Myself

I Am Humbled And Honored Merely To Tread The Carpets Of The Cube Farm You've Provided Out Of The Goodness Of Your Heart, Amen

93 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:04:59pm

re: #87 carlaschluge

Government assistance should be geared toward helping those on need of the basics. Government assistance should not be allowed to be a way of life. Unfortunately too many have become too dependent on Government handouts.

How many? Show me the data. I'll be waiting for your link to a non-partisan report.

94 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:05:17pm

re: #84 Coracle

Inhumane.

As if it's not inhumane enough to have lost your job, and have to rely on a handout in order to survive. As if it's not humiliating enough to be stuck in a cycle of poverty because you were born there, or abandoned there.

I employ a woman to help take care of a family member. She spends her days cleaning up after people, doing the things that people with more money are too fragile and squeamish to face. She's on food stamps.

One of the most dignified people I've ever met.

95 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:05:40pm

re: #43 Flaming Dumpster

The poor are poor because they have chosen to be poor. Not being able to find a job is not an excuse for living off the government's, and by proxy my, teet. They could very easily try a little harder, give up being so damn lazy and create a business of their own. It's what the founding fathers would have done.

BTW, this was sarcasm, for those who don't know me.
(that means you MikeySDCA)

96 Coracle  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:05:56pm

re: #87 carlaschluge

Government assistance should be geared toward helping those on need of the basics. Government assistance should not be allowed to be a way of life. Unfortunately too many have become too dependent on Government handouts.

Numbers. How many is too many. How dependent is too dependent.
Quantify.
Put up or shut up.

97 Linden Arden  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:05:58pm

re: #34 carlaschluge

Its worth a discussion at least.

Food stamps cost $75 billion last year and now feed 50 million people in this country. That makes the program easily the most cost effective program we have.

Two percent of federal spending feeds 17% of our people?

Its the minimum we can do.

98 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:06:06pm

re: #87 carlaschluge

Government assistance should be geared toward helping those on need of the basics.

Right on, comrade! Bring on the bread lines!

//

Government assistance should not be allowed to be a way of life. Unfortunately too many have become too dependent on Government handouts.

You're right, let's begin by ending corporate welfare.

99 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:06:43pm

re: #92 engineer cat

O, Praise Be To Thee, Job Creators!

I Am Honored To Be Allowed To Labor In Your Private Company - Supreme In Its Overwhelming Efficiency And Social Darwinian Success And Winningness - Even Though You Don't Need Me And Are Self Sufficiently Producing All By Your Job Creating, Producer Class Self!!!

Woe Be To Me If I Ever Offend You, O Job Creators, Or Question Your Self Evident Superiority! I Know Well That I Need You More Than You Need Me, Since You Can Create Wealth Merely Through Your Sacred And Magical Business Acumen, Without Any Need For The Labor Of Unworthy Munchkins Such As Myself

I Am Humbled And Honored Merely To Tread The Carpets Of The Cube Farm You've Provided Out Of The Goodness Of Your Heart, Amen

Just wait for the Triple A's, one day you too can be a citizen not of the United States of America, but of Ares Macrotechnology, making the world a safer place!

100 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:07:04pm

re: #34 carlaschluge

Free food, free cell phones, free contraceptives, free housing, free medical . . . except, it's not free, is it? Instead of a way of life, government assistance should be at subsistence level, and should be discouraged, so I agree with the premise of the article.

You fucking moron, do you think people CHOOSE to be on public assistance as a way of life, living off 10% of what they could earn with a real job?

Duh, yes wingnuts really do think people actually CHOOSE to be unemployed and destitute. They don't even have a clue that living on unemployment benefits and public assistance UTTERLY SUCKS.

Oh and BTW, people working at Walmart and Mickey D's also have to accept public assistance BECAUSE THEY DON'T GET PAID ENOUGH TO SURVIVE.

*face palm*

101 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:07:18pm

re: #87 carlaschluge

Government assistance should not be allowed to be a way of life. Unfortunately too many have become too dependent on Government handouts.

What does this mean? Have you ever met anyone on food stamps? Talked to them?

Do you think that inter-generational poverty didn't exist before welfare? Have you bothered to look at poverty rates in this country prior to public assistance?

102 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:08:02pm

re: #81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The wife and husband who run the awesome Museum of Jurassic Technology have often been quite poor. I hope they're doing better these days, since they had a book published about them, but they're not in it for the money.

They have a daughter, who one day asked her mother, "Mommy, are we poor?"

She said, "Yes, but not without hope."

I don't want people to be without hope. I want people to be able to try their small businesses, their little charities, their hopes and dreams without the danger that if they fail they'll be crushed and starve in the gutter with no medical care.

There are plenty of lazy assholes who are employed, too, shirking their way through the workday. There are plenty of people at the poverty line working their asses off.

Honestly, who looks at a poor person and thinks they need more humiliation?

103 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:08:06pm

It appears the main problem Conservativists have with the poor is that they don't hate themselves as much as Conservativists hate them.

104 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:08:38pm

re: #87 carlaschluge

Really? Name some government 'handouts' that lasts indefinitely.

105 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:08:42pm

re: #87 carlaschluge

Government assistance should be geared toward helping those on need of the basics. Government assistance should not be allowed to be a way of life. Unfortunately too many have become too dependent on Government handouts.

They Have Offended The Sacred Job Creators By Willing Themselves To Be Unemployed And Therefore Must Suffer

106 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:09:03pm

re: #62 CuriousLurker

Oh, damn it, you took what I wanted to say.

re: #64 carlaschluge

I don't know what rock you crawled in from, but I am going to say you seem to be an inhuman monster who has not a shred of empathy or sympathy. Why don't you go off to Saudi Arabia? You'll fit in very well, there you snake!

107 jaunte  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:09:03pm

In local anecdotal economic news, I'm happy to report that I was able to rehire a designer I had to lay off last spring. Our corporate clients are finally beginning to come out of their caves and spend money.

108 carlaschluge  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:09:28pm

re: #93 CuriousLurker

Put this in your pipe and shove it.

[Link: c1355372.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com...]

109 SmithCommaJohn  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:10:49pm

They're one step away from arguing that the rich should be allowed to hunt the poor for sport.

110 erik_t  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:10:54pm

re: #108 carlaschluge

Put this in your pipe and shove it.

[Link: c1355372.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com...]

LOL GET IT YOUR PIPE BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY SMOKE ROCKS JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE POORS

111 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:10:57pm

re: #90 jamesfirecat

What do you suggest should be done with those people and how do you tell if someone "has become too dependent on Government handouts"?

They start voting for Republicans.

112 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:11:15pm

re: #87 carlaschluge

It could be the result of massive level discrimination in the past causing depressed economic conditions, which have been subsequently neglected by the US at large that could be responsible, could.

Go back to your little inbred farm there, Cletus.

113 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:12:19pm

re: #108 carlaschluge

Put this in your pipe and shove it.

[Link: c1355372.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com...]

Ah, so you're one of those who thinks that folks should stop being "slaves" to the government and instead be forced to rely upon charities that are either A) operating on limited resources or B) free to deny aid to those they feel "sinful" or "not worthy of help."

114 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:12:58pm

re: #108 carlaschluge

Put this in your pipe and shove it.

[Link: c1355372.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com...]

Your link just broke my browser (made it stop responding) how about you quote the important parts?

115 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:13:10pm

re: #108 carlaschluge

Also, there have already been "Free-Market"attempts to alleviate poverty. Perhaps you have heard of the Irish Potato Famine? Yeah, the worst of it was because the British Government at the time though that Free Market would magically solve it.

Your views were made morally bankrupt before you were even born.

116 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:14:06pm

re: #87 carlaschluge

Government assistance should be geared toward helping those on need of the basics. Government assistance should not be allowed to be a way of life. Unfortunately too many have become too dependent on Government handouts.

You mean like the people who are working at Walmart for minimum wage, with no benefits because Walmart finds it more cost-effective to hire two disposable human beings to work one 40-hour shift, hiring twice as many people for half as much money?

Why do I even bother?

117 dragonfire1981  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:14:11pm

re: #87 carlaschluge

Government assistance should be geared toward helping those on need of the basics. Government assistance should not be allowed to be a way of life. Unfortunately too many have become too dependent on Government handouts.

You mean like Big Oil companies?

118 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:14:43pm

re: #99 jamesfirecat

Just wait for the Triple A's, one day you too can be a citizen not of the United States of America, but of Ares Macrotechnology, making the world a safer place!

do i get to sacrifice myself in its battle against the Insect Spirits???

119 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:15:03pm

re: #87 carlaschluge

Government assistance should be geared toward helping those on need of the basics. Government assistance should not be allowed to be a way of life. Unfortunately too many have become too dependent on Government handouts.

Right.

So no corporate welfare then. No bailouts, no tax breaks, no incentives.

Corporations can't starve to death or die of exposure.
They don't have dependents with critical developmental needs.
They don't develop illnesses because of diet deficits, nor can their diseases be cured with a cheap prescription.

So why should the government dump money into them, such that a tiny stream of that income gets turned into jobs...jobs that may not cover basic expenses because the rise in wages is far flatter than the rise of rent, food prices, and household expenses.

If a corporation can't hack it without a tax break, it's a parasite on society.

120 Coracle  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:15:11pm

re: #108 carlaschluge

Put this in your pipe and shove it.

[Link: c1355372.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com...]

This is rich.

The welfare state teaches poor people that they are different from middle class and wealthy Americans. Along with each monthly check, it sends the unspoken, unwritten message that beneficiaries are incapable of doing what their self-sufficient compatriot are doing - earning for themselves. That message gets internalized by otherwise capable Americans, and furthers the cycle of poverty. It robs the poor of dignity.

What you want to do in supporting the punitive measures proposed in the thread's linked post is change the unspoken theft of dignity to overt murder of it.

121 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:15:33pm

re: #101 Talking Point Detective

What does this mean? Have you ever met anyone on food stamps? Talked to them?

Do you think that inter-generational poverty didn't exist before welfare? Have you bothered to look at poverty rates in this country prior to public assistance?

It doesn't mean squat. Of course carlaschluge hasn't done any research, s/he's just a right-wing troll spewing wingnut talking points in order to rile up people on the left. It's what they do, what they're best at. Ethics, compassion, honesty, tolerance, not of it means a damned thing to them. Their talk about God and country and the Constitution is utter, self-serving bullshit.

122 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:15:36pm

re: #117 dragonfire1981

You mean like Big Oil companies?

Also, everyone who lives in a rural area depends on the government for a lot of assistance, from the highway system to rural electrification.

123 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:15:47pm

re: #118 engineer cat

do i get to sacrifice myself in its battle against the Insect Spirits???

"Sacrifice" is such an ugly word. Who do you we are, Aztechnology?

124 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:16:00pm

re: #108 carlaschluge

Put this in your pipe and shove it.

[Link: c1355372.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com...]

A quote from that screed that assumes people have chosen to be poor because there they have some fundamental subhuman flaw that prevents them from getting off their lazy asses unless they go hungry.

"Today, our too-big welfare state throws a wrench
in this incentive structure. Instead of offering poor
Americans with the basic choice between productive
hard work and nonproductive hardship, the welfare
state rewards nonproductive behavior and makes it
a more attractive option than it should be."

125 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:16:49pm

re: #121 CuriousLurker

It doesn't mean squat. Of course carlaschluge hasn't done any research, s/he's just a right-wing troll spewing wingnut talking points in order to rile up people on the left. It's what they do, what they're best at. Ethics, compassion, honesty, tolerance, not of it means a damned thing to them. Their talk about God and country and the Constitution is utter, self-serving bullshit.

Riled is good. I'm planning to maintain a slowly increasing level of riled until GOTV.

126 Altermite  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:16:53pm

re: #34 carlaschluge

You one of them anti- sexcrazedcoed republicans I keep hearing about?

127 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:17:08pm

re: #108 carlaschluge

Put this in your pipe and shove it.

[Link: c1355372.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com...]

You actually think I'm gonna click on that? You're even stupider than I thought, you ass-wipe.

128 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:19:08pm

re: #127 CuriousLurker

I'm impressed at how angry you have gotten. Usually, I'm the angry one on here.

There is history all over the place to disprove that snake's assertion. The Irish Potato Famine was only the most obvious example to my mind.

129 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:19:49pm

re: #128 ProGunLiberal

Notice that even though she's angry, she's not resorting to group blame, nor advocating mass murder.

130 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:20:13pm

What you can buy with an EBT:
High end Coffee
Imported sausage
Caviar
Truffles
Capers
Blah, blah, blah, you get the idea already...

What you cannot buy with an EBT:
Toilet paper
Paper towels
Soap
Shampoo
Toothpaste
Dish soap
Laundry soap
Blah, blah, blah, again...

I freely admit that the EBT system needs some tweaking, I am as disgusted as anyone else when I'm behind someone at Aldi's buying 17 twelve packs of cola and a cart full of chips and cookies and then using an EBT card to pay for it all. I know that crap is all that is going to fed to their kids for the next month and it pisses me off.

Still what alternative is there? Let the children actually starve?

I personally would love to see the types of items for foodstuffs restricted somewhat while adding necessities like toilet paper, dish soap, and toothpaste.

Currently there is a hugh and thriving "black market" where people trade porkchops, or canned soup, or steak for toilet paper, or laundry soap, or whatever, (at a major discount from what they spent). Every week some little convenience store in some poor part of whatever town gets busted for this fraud and ends up closing because they can't accept EBT anymore and can't be profitable without it.

The very nature of the EBT system creates fraud as it excludes items that are necessities for everyday life from purchase while still allowing the purchase of luxury foodstuffs as long as your balance can cover it.

131 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:20:33pm

re: #129 Obdicut

Notice that even though she's angry, she's not resorting to group blame, nor advocating mass murder.

Focused, it is.

132 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:20:42pm

re: #127 CuriousLurker

You actually think I'm gonna click on that? You're even stupider than I thought, you ass-wipe.

You know CL, if we weren't already married...

133 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:21:05pm

re: #108 carlaschluge

Put this in your pipe and shove it.

[Link: c1355372.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com...]

From your link - my favorite part:

The welfare state teaches poor people that they are different from middle class and wealthy Americans. Along with each monthly check, it sends the unspoken, unwritten message that beneficiaries are incapable of doing with their self-sufficient compatriots are doing - earning for themselves. That message gets internalized by otherwise capable Americans, and furthers the cycle
of poverty. It robs the poor of dignity.

Aside from the stunning condescension and elitism about what they know that those dupes without money don't realize about the process by which they are being brainwashed - what about the baseline stupidity of not realizing how many people on welfare work, are children, are seniors or are disabled?

134 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:21:42pm

re: #128 ProGunLiberal

I'm impressed at how angry you have gotten. Usually, I'm the angry one on here.

There is history all over the place to disprove that snake's assertion. The Irish Potato Famine was only the most obvious example to my mind.

It's not anger, it's overwhelming, unmitigated DISGUST.

135 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:22:11pm

re: #108 carlaschluge

Put this in your pipe and shove it.

[Link: c1355372.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com...]

This Christmas season, we can give a helping hand to the millions of
Americans who rely on federal assistance by reforming and shrinking the
welfare state. The best gift we can give Americans of all social classes is
greater opportunity to succeed.

by all means, please do tell us what YOU have done to "give Americans of all social classes ... [a] greater opportunity to succeed"

of course, you have yet to tell us what you "produce", so i don't expect much by way of an answer

from the looks of your little brochure, y'all get together and eat cookies while talking about how y'all so much better people than those liberals with their awful "compassion" and "helping"

136 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:22:31pm

re: #121 CuriousLurker

It doesn't mean squat. Of course carlaschluge hasn't done any research, s/he's just a right-wing troll spewing wingnut talking points in order to rile up people on the left. It's what they do, what they're best at. Ethics, compassion, honesty, tolerance, not of it means a damned thing to them. Their talk about God and country and the Constitution is utter, self-serving bullshit.

Actually, I've run into people who sincerely believe this shit. It's kind of fun to watch them scramble when you ask them to try to explain their logic.

137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:22:58pm

re: #132 Flaming Dumpster

You know CL, if we weren't already married...

You're married to CL?

LUCKY!
-Napoleon Dynamite

138 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:23:07pm

re: #134 CuriousLurker

It's not anger, it's overwhelming, unmitigated DISGUST.

Okay, and a little bit of anger. //

139 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:23:19pm

re: #115 ProGunLiberal

Also, there have already been "Free-Market"attempts to alleviate poverty. Perhaps you have heard of the Irish Potato Famine? Yeah, the worst of it was because the British Government at the time though that Free Market would magically solve it.

Your views were made morally bankrupt before you were even born.

The Irish Potato Famine was caused by monoculturing one specific type of potato, and not planting other types of potato, which might have produced some crops that were not affected by the blight.

Monoculturing is still being done by all the big potato farms that produce very specific type of potato for ONE CUSTOMER, guess who that is.

140 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:23:46pm

re: #127 CuriousLurker

You actually think I'm gonna click on that? You're even stupider than I thought, you ass-wipe.

it's a cute little self-satisfied smug brochure in a tasteful pink motif

141 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:23:55pm

re: #134 CuriousLurker

For me, Disgust turns to anger very quickly. At least this form of disgust.

142 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:24:03pm

re: #137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You're married to CL?

LUCKY!
-Napoleon Dynamite

No, no, no. That's not what I meant.

143 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:24:30pm

re: #136 Talking Point Detective

Actually, I've run into people who sincerely believe this shit. It's kind of fun to watch them scramble when you ask them to try to explain their logic.

About 3/5ths of the people within 200 miles of me believe that shit.

144 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:25:01pm

re: #143 Decatur Deb

About 3/5ths of the people within 200 miles of me believe that shit.

Nice shot.

145 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:26:49pm

re: #144 Flaming Dumpster

Nice shot.

Six people in my ZIP code donated to Obama's campaign.

146 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:27:55pm

re: #139 Learned Mother of Zion

However, the British exacerbated it to famine proportions. For one, they still exported food from Ireland. Also, when a new Whig Government took over, they ended the food aid in return for Workhouses that did not pay enough to even buy food, and the general letting laissez-faire economics do the work of providing a solution.

The Ottoman Empire under Sultan Abdulmecid did more to help the Irish, and the Ottoman and the British had a rather significant squawk over this.

Free-Market Malarky has been proved false for over 160 years. The dead of the Irish Potato Famine are proof of this.

147 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:28:22pm

re: #108 carlaschluge

Put this in your pipe and shove it.

[Link: c1355372.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com...]

So you're totally missing the irony of citing a "report" that claims that welfare robs people of their dignity in a thread about an opinion piece where the author asserts that welfare recipients need to be humiliated more.

148 JamesWI  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:29:25pm

I just want to know what Michael Crichton thinks about this issue.

149 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:31:30pm

re: #146 ProGunLiberal

However, the British exacerbated it to famine proportions. For one, they still exported food from Ireland. Also, when a new Whig Government took over, they ended the food aid in return for Workhouses that did not pay enough to even buy food, and the general letting laissez-faire economics do the work of providing a solution.

The Ottoman Empire under Sultan Abdulmecid did more to help the Irish, and the Ottoman and the British had a rather significant squawk over this.

Free-Market Malarky has been proved false for over 160 years. The dead of the Irish Potato Famine are proof of this.

The freakn' Choctaw and Cherokee donated to the Irish relief, and they weren't far from famine themselves.

[Link: pantherfile.uwm.edu...]

150 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:32:13pm

re: #62 CuriousLurker

Your post was a freaking work of art, like Babe Ruth calling his shot.

151 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:32:41pm

re: #147 The Ghost of a Flea

So you're totally missing the irony of citing a "report" that claims that welfare robs people of their dignity in a thread about an opinion piece where the author asserts that welfare recipients need to be humiliated more.

Totally logical. Not internally logical, of course, as the two ideas contradict each other.

But both opinions are deeply rooted in the time honored tradition of raising one's own self-esteem through the denigration of others.

It's the logic of hatred.

152 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:32:47pm

re: #145 Decatur Deb

Six people in my ZIP code donated to Obama's campaign.

I thought the 3/5 was a shot at a geographic area that at one time included a group of people considered 3/5 of a person for tax purposes.

153 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:33:15pm

re: #146 ProGunLiberal

Here is more detailed information from the Wiki:

The measures undertaken by Peel's successor, Lord John Russell, proved comparatively "inadequate" as the crisis deepened. Russell's ministry introduced public works projects, which by December 1846 employed some half million Irish and proved impossible to administer. Sir Charles Trevelyan, who was in charge of the administration of Government relief to the victims of the Irish Famine, limited the Government's actual relief because he thought "the judgement of God sent the calamity to teach the Irish a lesson". For his policy, he was commemorated in the song The Fields of Athenry. The Public Works were "strictly ordered" to be unproductive—that is, they would create no fund to repay their own expenses. Many hundreds of thousands of "feeble and starving men" according to John Mitchel, were kept digging holes, and breaking up roads, which was doing no service.

A memorial to the victims of the Doolough Tragedy (30 March 1849). In order to continue receiving relief, hundreds were instructed to travel many miles in bad weather. A large number died on the journey.
The new Lord John Russell Whig administration, influenced by their laissez-faire belief that the market would provide the food needed but at the same time ignoring the food exports to England, then halted government food and relief works, leaving many hundreds of thousands of people without any work, money or food. In January, the government abandoned these projects and turned to a mixture of "indoor" and "outdoor" direct relief; the former administered in workhouses through the Poor Law, the latter through soup kitchens. The costs of the Poor Law fell primarily on the local landlords, who in turn attempted to reduce their liability by evicting their tenants. This was then facilitated through the "Cheap Ejectment Acts." The poor law amendment act was passed in June 1847. According to James Donnelly in Fearful Realities: New Perspectives on the Famine, it embodied the principle popular in Britain that Irish property must support Irish poverty. The landed proprietors in Ireland were held in Britain to have created the conditions that led to the famine. It was asserted however, that the British parliament since the Act of Union of 1800 was partly to blame. This point was raised in the Illustrated London News on 13 February 13, 1847, "There was no laws it would not pass at their request, and no abuse it would not defend for them." On the 24 March the Times reported that Britain had permitted in Ireland "a mass of poverty, disaffection, and degradation without a parallel in the world. It allowed proprietors to suck the very life-blood of that wretched race."

The "Gregory clause" of the Poor Law prohibited anyone who held at least ¼ of an acre from receiving relief. This in practice meant that if a farmer, having sold all his produce to pay rent, duties, rates and taxes, should be reduced, as many thousands of them were, to applying for public outdoor relief, he would not get it until he had first delivered up all his land to the landlord. Of this Law Mitchel was to write: "it is the able-bodied idler only who is to be fed — if he attempted to till but one rood of ground, he dies." This simple method of ejectment was called "passing paupers through the workhouse" — a man went in, a pauper came out. These factors combined to drive thousands of people off the land: 90,000 in 1849, and 104,000 in 1850.

154 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:33:58pm

re: #152 Flaming Dumpster

I thought the 3/5 was a shot at a geographic area that at one time included a group of people considered 3/5 of a person for tax purposes.

Ah, no. It's a considered guess. They surround us.

155 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:34:00pm

re: #148 JamesWI

I just want to know what Michael Crichton thinks about this issue.

Not a lot. I don't think he thinks any more.

156 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:35:47pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

Ah, no. It's a considered guess. They surround us.

My faith in your ironic irony has just taken a hit.

157 erik_t  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:36:51pm

re: #155 Flaming Dumpster

Not a lot. I don't think he thinks any more.

Yeah, but he could have foretold it with his soothsaying powers.

158 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:37:05pm

re: #155 Flaming Dumpster

I would like to point out how little a man Crichton was:

Michael Crowley of The New Republic alleged that, in retaliation for his having written a negative review of Crichton's previous novel State of Fear, Crichton named a character with a mercifully small penis who rapes a baby after him. From page 227: "Alex Burnet was in the middle of the most difficult trial of her career, a rape case involving the sexual assault of a two-year-old boy in Malibu. The defendant, thirty-year-old Mick Crowley, was a Washington-based political columnist who was visiting his sister-in-law when he experienced an overwhelming urge to have anal sex with her young son, still in diapers." Both Crowleys were Washington-based political columnists who had graduated from Yale.

159 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:37:26pm

re: #139 Learned Mother of Zion

The Irish Potato Famine was caused by monoculturing one specific type of potato, and not planting other types of potato, which might have produced some crops that were not affected by the blight.

Monoculturing is still being done by all the big potato farms that produce very specific type of potato for ONE CUSTOMER, guess who that is.

That Scottish burger joint?

160 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:38:12pm

re: #156 Flaming Dumpster

My faith in your ironic irony has just taken a hit.

Hopelessly mired in the literal.

161 BongCrodny  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:40:54pm

re: #114 jamesfirecat

Your link just broke my browser (made it stop responding) how about you quote the important parts?

The Independent Women's Forum is largely funded by Richard Mellon Scaife.

Nice non-partisan source she found there.

162 JamesWI  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:41:02pm

re: #158 ProGunLiberal

Ha....just saw this in the Wiki for "State of Fear."

For example, United States Senator Jim Inhofe, who once pronounced global warming "the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people", made State of Fear “required reading” for the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, which he chaired from 2003–2007, and to which he called Crichton to testify before in September 2005.

Yes, these people really do take Michael Crichton novels more seriously than the work of actual scientists in the field.

163 Kragar  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:42:41pm

re: #162 JamesWI

Ha...just saw this in the Wiki for "State of Fear."

For example, United States Senator Jim Inhofe, who once pronounced global warming "the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people", made State of Fear “required reading” for the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, which he chaired from 2003–2007, and to which he called Crichton to testify before in September 2005.

Yes, these people really do take Michael Crichton novels more seriously than the work of actual scientists in the field.

How many scientists are on the Best Seller's List, hmm?
/

164 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:43:20pm

re: #163 Kragar

How many scientists are on the Best Seller's List, hmm?
/

Counting Vampirology?

165 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:43:56pm

re: #162 JamesWI

Ha...just saw this in the Wiki for "State of Fear."

Yes, these people really do take Michael Crichton novels more seriously than the work of actual scientists in the field.

Him and L. Ron Hubbard.

166 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:44:59pm

re: #153 ProGunLiberal

Here is more detailed information from the Wiki:

generally speaking, following the history of the british government in regard to the poor in the 19th century demonstrates empirically that the GOP "solution" to poverty has been tried and found to fail

indeed, it's startling to see how the social darwinistic proposals that Our Trool is parroting were first found in the mouths of ignorant 19th members of parliament in exactly the same form!

but let's not remember the lessons of history - it's too depressing...

167 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:45:10pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

Ah, no. It's a considered guess. They surround us.

What's interesting about that to me, is that probably many of your neighbors who vote for politicians who spew this hateful nonsense, also contribute to charities, reach out to poor people in their communities, etc.

It's not that they hate poor people, so much as it's that they think that most poor people are different than the poor people they know (and that it's government's fault, of course).

168 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:45:15pm

re: #162 JamesWI

Ha...just saw this in the Wiki for "State of Fear."

Yes, these people really do take Michael Crichton novels more seriously than the work of actual scientists in the field.

Imhofe once saw Peter Pan and then tried to resurrect Ronald Reagan by clapping.

169 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:46:10pm

re: #163 Kragar

How many scientists are on the Best Seller's List, hmm?
/

Dawkins, Hawking, and Diamond are the only ones I can think of.

170 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:46:17pm

re: #87 carlaschluge

Government assistance should be geared toward helping those on need of the basics. Government assistance should not be allowed to be a way of life. Unfortunately too many have become too dependent on Government handouts.

Yep. Medicare. Highway subsidies. Airline subsidies. Farm subsidies. College assistance. Law enforcement. ...

yeah, we're way too dependent on government handouts.

///

171 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:46:23pm

re: #167 Talking Point Detective

What's interesting about that to me, is that probably many of your neighbors who vote for politicians who spew this hateful nonsense, also contribute to charities, reach out to poor people in their communities, etc.

It's not that they hate poor people, so much as it's that they think that most poor people are different than the poor people they know (and that it's government's fault, of course).

I've heard it from volunteers on Habitat sites. The mind is a funny thing.

172 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:47:27pm

re: #139 Learned Mother of Zion

The Irish Potato Famine was caused by monoculturing one specific type of potato, and not planting other types of potato, which might have produced some crops that were not affected by the blight.

Monoculturing is still being done by all the big potato farms that produce very specific type of potato for ONE CUSTOMER, guess who that is.

re: #159 ArchangelMichael

That Scottish burger joint?

It ain't McDowell's...

173 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:47:43pm

um, i think teh trool haz crawlded off n hid...

174 erik_t  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:48:44pm

Exit polls currently suggesting 41% of Michigan GOP primary voters are Democrats or independents.

This could be amusing.

175 Coracle  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:49:54pm

re: #169 Flaming Dumpster

Dawkins, Hawking, and Diamond are the only ones I can think of.

Stephen Jay Gould, Carl Sagan, Neil deGrasse Tyson

176 Kragar  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:50:09pm

re: #174 erik_t

Exit polls currently suggesting 41% of Michigan GOP primary voters are Democrats or independents.

This could be amusing.

177 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:50:30pm

re: #174 erik_t

Exit polls currently suggesting 41% of Michigan GOP primary voters are Democrats or independents.

This could be amusing.

I think Willard might be starting to feel a bit glum right about now.

178 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:51:03pm

re: #175 Coracle

Stephen Jay Gould, Carl Sagan, Neil deGrasse Tyson

I wasn't sure about Gould, I forgot about Sagan and I haven't read anything by Tyson.

179 Kragar  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:51:06pm

re: #175 Coracle

Stephen Jay Gould, Carl Sagan, Neil deGrasse Tyson

And when was the last time one of their books got made into a movie?
/

180 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:53:23pm

re: #171 Decatur Deb

I've heard it from volunteers on Habitat sites. The mind is a funny thing.

Exactly.

Demonization of the "other," tribalism, etc. - primitive and fundamental human tendencies. They lie deeper than conscious reasoning and they take concerted effort to counteract.

181 Coracle  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:53:40pm

re: #179 Kragar

And when was the last time one of their books got made into a movie?
/

1997. Contact (more recently than the original Jurassic Park, in fact)

182 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:53:41pm

re: #177 Targetpractice

I think Willard might be starting to feel a bit glum right about now.

If Mitt loses narrowly to Santorum because of it, both parties will probably overhaul the process.

183 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:54:27pm

re: #182 Decatur Deb

If Mitt loses narrowly to Santorum because of it, both parties will probably overhaul the process.

I think there will also be 'honest' Democratic voters voting for Mitt because they're horrified by Santorum.

184 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:55:00pm

re: #181 Coracle

1997. Contact (more recently than the original Jurassic Park, in fact)

Pretty good adaption too. For one thing, they didn't go for the sappy bit of leaving one of the main characters alive in the movie.

185 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:56:18pm

re: #183 Obdicut

I think there will also be 'honest' Democratic voters voting for Mitt because they're horrified by Santorum.

Fairly subtle. "Sporting" Dems wouldn't cross over.

186 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:57:32pm

I see this comment at 538.

And let's not forget that Mr. Romney previously admitted that he himself voted in the 1992 democratic primary for Paul Tsongas because he thought he would be the weaker candidate. "A dirty trick?" His hypocrisy truly knows no bounds.

He admits it.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Claims doing it on his own is different than encouraging others to do it. I don't see why. If strategic voting is a dirty trick, doing it yourself is bad, right?

187 BongCrodny  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:58:09pm

This could get really interesting.

If this thing between Romney and Santorum goes all the way to the convention, exactly how much power does that give Newt Gingrich? As the likely third-place finisher, wouldn't that give him some serious juice to influence the platform/ticket?

188 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:58:38pm

re: #187 BongCrodny

Serious newt-juice.

189 Kragar  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:58:51pm

re: #185 Decatur Deb

Fairly subtle. "Sporting" Dems wouldn't cross over.

But I thought all dems were lying communist atheists?
/

190 BongCrodny  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:59:24pm

re: #181 Coracle

1997. Contact (more recently than the original Jurassic Park, in fact)

The last time Matthew McConaughey was tolerable onscreen.

191 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 4:59:59pm

re: #189 Kragar

But I thought all dems were lying communist atheists?
/

Oh sure, all that and more--but I'd never call myself a Republican.

192 Atlas Fails  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:00:01pm

What more can I say about the bizarre right-wing fantasies that are now proudly displayed for all to see? Considering most food stamp recipients are poor children, I think mandatory monthly drug and tobacco testing to remind them of their inferior status is just a little overboard. Oh, and tobacco testing? Tobacco is legal product, so WTF.

193 JamesWI  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:00:06pm

re: #187 BongCrodny

This could get really interesting.

If this thing between Romney and Santorum goes all the way to the convention, exactly how much power does that give Newt Gingrich? As the likely third-place finisher, wouldn't that give him some serious juice to influence the platform/ticket?

At this point, I'd put my money on Paul finishing third, not Newt. Newt's supporters have probably realized by now that they probably should just vote for their next favorite, while Paul's rabid, cult-like followers will stay with him to the end.

194 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:01:21pm

re: #186 Obdicut

I see this comment at 538.

He admits it.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Claims doing it on his own is different than encouraging others to do it. I don't see why. If strategic voting is a dirty trick, doing it yourself is bad, right?

What's funny is that people like Romney point the fingers at others as having a sense of entitlement:

Mitt Romney is pretty upset about Rick Santorum robo-calling Democrats to try and get them out to vote for him. Romney called it "a real effort to kidnap our primary process."

This might be why. In 2000, John McCain won Michigan by 8 points, 51%-43%, over George W. Bush. And about 10 percent of the people who voted for McCain were Democrats.

[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

195 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:02:28pm

re: #183 Obdicut

I think there will also be 'honest' Democratic voters voting for Mitt because they're horrified by Santorum.

I know, could you really pull the lever for Santorum? Voting is important, I would not want to feel responsible for a very very scary possible situation.

Overconfidence is crazy.

196 Kragar  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:03:43pm

re: #190 BongCrodny

The last time Matthew McConaughey was tolerable onscreen.

See Frailty

197 aagcobb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:04:54pm

re: #187 BongCrodny

This could get really interesting.

If this thing between Romney and Santorum goes all the way to the convention, exactly how much power does that give Newt Gingrich? As the likely third-place finisher, wouldn't that give him some serious juice to influence the platform/ticket?

Could earn a VP nomination for Gingrich or Rand Paul.

198 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:05:00pm

re: #195 College is GOOD you asshat.

I know, could you really pull the lever for Santorum? Voting is important, I would not want to feel responsible for a very very scary possible situation.

Overconfidence is crazy.

Yeah. Scenario:

1. I throw the nomination to Santorum.
2. President Obama is struck by a meteorite.
3. I look for an old DC3 and walk into the propeller.

199 BongCrodny  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:05:35pm

re: #193 JamesWI

At this point, I'd put my money on Paul finishing third, not Newt. Newt's supporters have probably realized by now that they probably should just vote for their next favorite, while Paul's rabid, cult-like followers will stay with him to the end.

I'd rather see Paul finish third than Newt, if only because it would "up the crazy" at the Republican convention.

However, I think that with Sheldon Adelson breaking open the piggybank whenever Newt gets on the phone, Newt gets to go the distance.

200 ramex  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:05:44pm

What is the Daily Caller? Is it representative of the right wing? Is it moderate within their extremism? What this George III is calling for is crazy. Why did we bother with that whole revolution thing? Let's just appoint a king and only allow rich, white land owners to vote.

201 BrainSurfer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:08:44pm

re: #70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You should be more outspoken.

I'm just sayin'...

Yeah, I agree.... must be a caring Liberal. Just sayin'.

202 BongCrodny  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:08:59pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

Yeah. Scenario:

1. I throw the nomination to Santorum.
2. President Obama is struck by a meteorite.
3. I look for an old DC3 and walk into the propeller.

If 2 happened, I think Hillary would step in.

I think you might be able to forestall that propeller walk for another four years. :-)

203 BadgerB  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:12:38pm

re: #139 Learned Mother of Zion

The Irish Potato Famine was caused by monoculturing one specific type of potato, and not planting other types of potato, which might have produced some crops that were not affected by the blight

While true its worse than that. Ireland was net EXPORTER of food during the worst of the famine years. A large portion of the land was owned by English landlords and as a whole Ireland was very poor country. It was much more profitable to export some of what was produced and sell it in other (richer) countries than to sell it domesticly dispite the urgent need.

All very free market and libertarian, owners of capital maximizing profit and all that. [and if you find yourself tempted to follow on with comments mumbling about an example of the effects of income inequality or such, please feel free]

204 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:15:42pm

re: #201 BrainSurfer

Yeah, I agree... must be a caring Liberal. Just sayin'.

What are you honestly trying to suggest, I don't follow....

205 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:18:35pm

re: #204 jamesfirecat

What are you honestly trying to suggest, I don't follow...

The brain-dead troll is essentially saying:

Durr hurr, you called my dumb little nasty fellow troll out on their bullshit, and that makes you a hypocritical meanie-head because libruls are supposed to just lie down and take it and never fight back. Derp.

206 BadgerB  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:18:50pm

Sorry, typing on my iPad is slow, people had Ireland green and beautiful covered up above.

207 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:19:14pm

re: #201 BrainSurfer

Yeah, I agree... must be a caring Liberal. Just sayin'.

Nice. I see you average around 8 down-dings per post. Shocker.

But your "concern" for someone who thinks that poor people are spoiled by being treated with dignity is duly noted.

208 BrainSurfer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:27:39pm

re: #204 jamesfirecat

What are you honestly trying to suggest, I don't follow...

I do not care for people who rely on gutter language to try to intimidate or prove a point. Based on my reading blogs of all political leanings which I generally do daily, it seems to me that those on the left far outnumber those on the right for filthy mouth syndrome. CuriousLurker fits that category.

209 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:27:46pm

I work in a grocery store, and I've seen just as many whites as other minorities use EBT cards, and many women using WIC cards. The reason they use them is to have one less expense to worry about (in this case, food) with their limited money. The reason they have such limited funds is because they are not bringing in enough money to pay monthly bills such as house payments, rent/lot rent, groceries and utilities, and those are the essentials. Then you add in cell phone bills (needed to keep in contact with work or for seeking employment) and an internet bill (as it seems like every place has you applying online nowadays), and you're looking at a hefty chunk taken out of your pay (if you have a job). If you're on minimum wage, you will have to choose which bill gets paid and which ones don't, then worry about late fees and shut-offs, none of which are good.

And stories like this piss me off because I'm also on government assistance (food stamps), which go to feeding three people (thankfully I have a brother that also works). By not worrying about food, I can pay off the necessary bills and have a quality life. It's not luxurious, but it's comfortably warm during winter, cool during summer (utilities), I have water (cooking and bathing), I have a way to communicate to work if I'm late/sick or if they want me in early (more money coming in).

Let's see some of these pro-corporation fuckers working shifts 4 to 8.5 hours a day for $7.40 an hour, standing in one place for up to 2 hours, push in trains of carts from the parking lot, returning items customers don't want, and also cleaning out the bathrooms. That's what I do nearly everyday. They wouldn't last past 10 minutes of carts before whining and complaining.

210 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:29:24pm

re: #208 BrainSurfer

I do not care for people who rely on gutter language to try to intimidate or prove a point. Based on my reading blogs of all political leanings which I generally do daily, it seems to me that those on the left far outnumber those on the right for filthy mouth syndrome. CuriousLurker fits that category.

Gutter language maybe... but "intimidation to prove a point" I think you would be greatly mistaken to say that liberals do that far more than conservatives.

Either way I strive to be civil with everyone.

211 BrainSurfer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:30:26pm

re: #207 Talking Point Detective

Nice. I see you average around 8 down-dings per post. Shocker.

But your "concern" for someone who thinks that poor people are spoiled by being treated with dignity is duly noted.

Not at all, Talking Point Detective. I am one of the poor people who are partaking of President Obama's magnanimity. Unemployed, kids getting free lunch. But, the one thing that I am now wondering about... how can I get a free phone. Now that would be nice.

212 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:30:54pm

re: #208 BrainSurfer

Cut the PC bullshit.

213 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:31:40pm

re: #211 BrainSurfer

Not at all, Talking Point Detective. I am one of the poor people who are partaking of President Obama's magnanimity. Unemployed, kids getting free lunch. But, the one thing that I am now wondering about... how can I get a free phone. Now that would be nice.

Borrow a phone and call United Way's 211 number. They will know about programs in you area.

214 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:31:57pm

re: #211 BrainSurfer

Not at all, Talking Point Detective. I am one of the poor people who are partaking of President Obama's magnanimity. Unemployed, kids getting free lunch. But, the one thing that I am now wondering about... how can I get a free phone. Now that would be nice.

No idea, ask carlaschluge since he/she brought the issue of free phones up.

215 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:32:10pm

re: #208 BrainSurfer

I do not care for people who rely on gutter language to try to intimidate or prove a point. Based on my reading blogs of all political leanings which I generally do daily, it seems to me that those on the left far outnumber those on the right for filthy mouth syndrome. CuriousLurker fits that category.

I'll take "filthy mouth" over filthy values any day of the week, stalker-blog brain-dead troll.

216 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:32:36pm

re: #215 Interesting Times

I'll take "filthy mouth" over filthy values any day of the week, stalker-blog brain-dead troll.

Burn!

217 BrainSurfer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:32:50pm

re: #210 jamesfirecat

Gutter language maybe... but "intimidation to prove a point" I think you would be greatly mistaken to say that liberals do that far more than conservatives.

Either way I strive to be civil with everyone.

As do I, while keeping an open mind and a sense of humor. . But, would it be fair to say that liberal do a little more than conservatives?

218 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:33:33pm

re: #217 BrainSurfer

As do I, while keeping an open mind and a sense of humor. . But, would it be fair to say that liberal do a little more than conservatives?

Fuck no!!

219 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:33:58pm

re: #217 BrainSurfer

As do I, while keeping an open mind and a sense of humor. . But, would it be fair to say that liberal do a little more than conservatives?

Intimidate or have foul mouths?

220 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:34:32pm

re: #208 BrainSurfer

I do not care for people who rely on gutter language to try to intimidate or prove a point. Based on my reading blogs of all political leanings which I generally do daily, it seems to me that those on the left far outnumber those on the right for filthy mouth syndrome. CuriousLurker fits that category.

Better gutter language than a gutter morality that cares nothing for the weakest and most vulnerable amongst us. Odd that you're more offended by the former and not the latter. Then again, maybe not so odd based on what I've seen of your posts. I can't tell you how pleased I am that you don't care for me. I wouldn't have it any other way.

221 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:35:08pm

re: #215 Interesting Times

I'll take "filthy mouth" over filthy values any day of the week, stalker-blog brain-dead troll.

Coke jinx!

222 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:36:45pm

re: #208 BrainSurfer

I do not care for people who rely on gutter language to try to intimidate or prove a point. Based on my reading blogs of all political leanings which I generally do daily, it seems to me that those on the left far outnumber those on the right for filthy mouth syndrome. CuriousLurker fits that category.

Admittedly, we liberals do say the word "vagina" a whole bunch.

I guess if we were more respectable commenters like on Hot Air, we'd avoid the dirty words and cut straight to violent fantasies and cunningly masked versions of the N-word.

223 BrainSurfer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:36:49pm

re: #219 jamesfirecat

Intimidate or have foul mouths?

Well, based on the above, a bit of both. But, what the hell, they really love me, I know it. Place would be dull without me, at least until carlaschluge showed up tonight. Boy did he stir up the hornets nest.

224 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:37:56pm

re: #223 BrainSurfer

You're really boring, and the conversation is a lot more interesting when you're not around, dropping years-old, completely debunked talking points, while being prissy and humorless about it.

225 jaunte  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:38:08pm

re: #223 BrainSurfer

Boring.

226 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:38:13pm

re: #223 BrainSurfer

Well, based on the above, a bit of both. But, what the hell, they really love me, I know it. Place would be dull without me, at least until carlaschluge showed up tonight. Boy did he stir up the hornets nest.

He? Oops...perhaps you really are a tag team. LOL

227 BrainSurfer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:38:13pm

re: #221 CuriousLurker

Coke jinx!

OK, Curious - name me a filthy value you think I have.

228 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:38:19pm

re: #223 BrainSurfer

Well, based on the above, a bit of both. But, what the hell, they really love me, I know it. Place would be dull without me, at least until carlaschluge showed up tonight. Boy did he stir up the hornets nest.

Were you looking for a BDSM forum when you showed up here?

229 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:39:05pm

re: #227 BrainSurfer

OK, Curious - name me a filthy value you think I have.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

230 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:39:08pm

re: #192 Atlas Fails

What more can I say about the bizarre right-wing fantasies that are now proudly displayed for all to see? Considering most food stamp recipients are poor children, I think mandatory monthly drug and tobacco testing to remind them of their inferior status is just a little overboard. Oh, and tobacco testing? Tobacco is legal product, so WTF.

That's intended to put a means test on something that will probably be failed, therefore providing an excuse to suspend all relief.

Plans like this are not intended to work in terms of generating relief. They're proposed in order to create humiliation and feeling of superiority for those supposedly lording over the largesse.

231 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:39:12pm

re: #227 BrainSurfer

OK, Curious - name me a filthy value you think I have.

Point out where I said you had filthy morals.

232 jaunte  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:39:31pm

re: #226 CuriousLurker

He? Oops...perhaps you really are a tag team. LOL

Dunning And Kruger.

233 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:39:33pm

re: #223 BrainSurfer

Well, based on the above, a bit of both. But, what the hell, they really love me, I know it. Place would be dull without me, at least until carlaschluge showed up tonight. Boy did he stir up the hornets nest.

In honesty I must plead ignorance either way as I don't spend anywhere near as much time combing the entire internet as you do to properly gauge left win versus right win profanity.

Just please keep the following link in mind if at any point you believe the right wing does not engage in fowl language.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Examine any story that involves the phrase "Spews Racist Hatred"

Speaking of Carlschulge, what did you think of his/her comments on how people who are on government handouts need to be humiliated by the experience?

234 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:41:44pm

re: #233 jamesfirecat

fowl language.

Titmouse!

Woodpecker!

Greater Northern Crested Fuckbeak!

235 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:42:21pm

re: #234 The Ghost of a Flea

Titmouse!

Woodpecker!

Greater Northern Crested Fuckbeak!

I think you forgot blue footed booby.

236 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:43:07pm

re: #227 BrainSurfer

OK, Curious - name me a filthy value you think I have.

re: #231 CuriousLurker

Point out where I said you had filthy morals.

I'm waiting... *tap, tap, tap*

237 palomino  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:43:49pm

re: #211 BrainSurfer

Not at all, Talking Point Detective. I am one of the poor people who are partaking of President Obama's magnanimity. Unemployed, kids getting free lunch. But, the one thing that I am now wondering about... how can I get a free phone. Now that would be nice.

What makes you so sure that poor people are getting free cell phones? Most poor people used to have phones in their homes; now they've probably dropped the land line and gotten a really cheap cell phone with minutes they pay for individually, as opposed to unlimited calling plans. Why would a poor person having a cell phone be an outrage if there's no proof the govt paid for it?

238 BrainSurfer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:45:28pm

re: #233 jamesfirecat

In honesty I must plead ignorance either way as I don't spend anywhere near as much time combing the entire internet as you do to properly gauge left win versus right win profanity.

Just please keep the following link in mind if at any point you believe the right wing does not engage in fowl language.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Examine any store that involves the phrase "Spews Racist Hatred"

Speaking of Carlschulge, what did you think of his/her comments on how people who are on government handouts need to be humiliated by the experience?

Went to the link - can't disagree that there are far-out wackos on both sides haunting the boards (including this one). Let's call it a draw - equal number of wackos (wingnuts & moonbats) on both sides.

As for carlschulge, I don't like taking a government handout, and would go deep serious if someone tried to humiliate me for doing so.

239 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:46:22pm

LOL @ MBF

240 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:46:37pm

re: #237 palomino

What makes you so sure that poor people are getting free cell phones? Most poor people used to have phones in their homes; now they've probably dropped the land line and gotten a really cheap cell phone with minutes they pay for individually, as opposed to unlimited calling plans. Why would a poor person having a cell phone be an outrage if there's no proof the govt paid for it?

I think there are Fed or private programs to get limited phones into the hands of the homeless unemployed. If you don't have a number, you're not getting the call from Personnel.

241 palomino  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:46:56pm

re: #217 BrainSurfer

As do I, while keeping an open mind and a sense of humor. . But, would it be fair to say that liberal do a little more than conservatives?

I don't know who uses more profanity (although I'd guess you'll find more racial/ethnic slurs on right wing sites.)

Either way, why don't you embark on an in-depth study, and read millions of blog posts and comments to see if indeed liberals are more potty-mouthed? Then you can get back to us with your results.

242 BrainSurfer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:47:14pm

re: #236 CuriousLurker

re: #231 CuriousLurker

I'm waiting... *tap, tap, tap*

Your funny! Well, da, "coke jinx"! What am I supposed to think? .....Huh? ... Huh?

243 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:47:17pm

re: #238 BrainSurfer

...can't disagree that there are far-out wackos ... haunting the boards (including this one).

You said it.

244 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:47:47pm

re: #238 BrainSurfer

Went to the link - can't disagree that there are far-out wackos on both sides haunting the boards (including this one). Let's call it a draw - equal number of wackos (wingnuts & moonbats) on both sides.

As for carlschulge, I don't like taking a government handout, and would go deep serious if someone tried to humiliate me for doing so.

Why haven't you down dinged his/her post then, given that he's advocating such behavior?

245 BrainSurfer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:48:31pm

re: #241 palomino

I don't know who uses more profanity (although I'd guess you'll find more racial/ethnic slurs on right wing sites.)

Either way, why don't you embark on an in-depth study, and read millions of blog posts and comments to see if indeed liberals are more potty-mouthed? Then you can get back to us with your results.

OMG, that's such an awesome idea.. OK - will do it right now.... don't go away.... be right back.

246 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:48:57pm

re: #242 BrainSurfer

Your funny! Well, da, "coke jinx"! What am I supposed to think? ...Huh? ... Huh?

You really should work on your reading comprehension.

247 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:48:59pm

re: #238 BrainSurfer

Went to the link - can't disagree that there are far-out wackos on both sides haunting the boards (including this one).

We even get AGW deniers and people who believe in intelligent design around here, yammering about how they understand science better than people who spend their lives in the field.

They're kinda pathetic.

248 BrainSurfer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:50:42pm

re: #237 palomino

What makes you so sure that poor people are getting free cell phones? Most poor people used to have phones in their homes; now they've probably dropped the land line and gotten a really cheap cell phone with minutes they pay for individually, as opposed to unlimited calling plans. Why would a poor person having a cell phone be an outrage if there's no proof the govt paid for it?

Well, I read about it on the internet.... carlaschluge mentioned it - free phones, free housing, free (forget the rest). I figured it must be true.

249 palomino  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:50:48pm

re: #245 BrainSurfer

OMG, that's such an awesome idea.. OK - will do it right now... don't go away... be right back.

No, please take your time. We're all so interested that we want a really in-depth report.

250 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:51:49pm

re: #248 BrainSurfer

Well, I read about it on the internet... carlaschluge mentioned it - free phones, free housing, free (forget the rest). I figured it must be true.

If you believe everything you read on the internet than I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you....

251 BrainSurfer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:52:09pm

re: #249 palomino

No, please take your time. We're all so interested that we want a really in-depth report.

Oh... in that case, I will get back to you when I am done. I'll start tomorrow.

252 BrainSurfer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:53:13pm

re: #247 Obdicut

We even get AGW deniers and people who believe in intelligent design around here, yammering about how they understand science better than people who spend their lives in the field.

They're kinda pathetic.

Uh.... what if I have spent my life in the field?

253 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:55:36pm

re: #252 BrainSurfer

Uh... what if I have spent my life in the field?

Then you should be able to link to the journal published papers you've written on the subject... since if you spend your entire life in the field and don't have any papers to show for it, what do you have to show for your research?

254 BrainSurfer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:55:48pm

re: #250 jamesfirecat

If you believe everything you read on the internet than I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you...

Really? Where? or, Which one? How much?

255 BongCrodny  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:55:56pm

re: #252 BrainSurfer

Uh... what if I have spent my life in the field?

Then you'd be an outlier.

256 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:55:59pm

re: #252 BrainSurfer

Uh... what if I have spent my life in the field?

Well, excuse me, I didn't realize we were in the presence of a scientist. What was your field of study?

257 jaunte  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:56:23pm

re: #255 BongCrodny

Out lying in the field?

258 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:57:04pm

re: #254 BrainSurfer

Really? Where? or, Which one? How much?

///You'll have to wait for a while since Aztechnology needs to rebuild it first since me and a few friends blew it up about a month ago, insurance purposes its complicated chummer.

259 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:57:09pm

re: #252 BrainSurfer

Uh... what if I have spent my life in the field?

Then we wonder who the dumbass was that let you into the field.

260 BrainSurfer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:57:25pm

re: #253 jamesfirecat

Then you should be able to link to the journal published papers you've written on the subject... since if you spend your entire life in the field and don't have any papers to show for it, what do you have to show for your research?

Well, hell (pardon the language), I am a damn (ditto) farmer. What the hell (once again) do you expect?

261 palomino  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:57:25pm

re: #248 BrainSurfer

Well, I read about it on the internet... carlaschluge mentioned it - free phones, free housing, free (forget the rest). I figured it must be true.

You're a really deep and critical thinker...hey, if carla says it, must be true.

Fact is the numbers and expenditures on welfare programs have dropped dramatically since the reform of the 90's. The reason govt assistance seems higher now is the increase in the unemployed over the last 5 years.

The poor are a convenient scapegoat, and their demonization is reprehensible. Moral leaders from Jesus to Gandhi to MLK all said the same thing about the poor. A society that wants to further humiliate its already least fortunate members has truly lost its bearings.

262 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:58:20pm

re: #260 BrainSurfer

Well, hell (pardon the language), I am a damn (ditto) farmer. What the hell (once again) do you expect?

Then that would be a pune or play on words.

263 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 5:58:28pm

re: #260 BrainSurfer

Well, hell (pardon the language), I am a damn (ditto) farmer. What the hell (once again) do you expect?

You should probably announce "THIS IS A JOKE" every time you try to tell one, because they're entirely bereft of humor and nobody will be able to tell otherwise.

264 palomino  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 6:00:17pm

re: #260 BrainSurfer

Well, hell (pardon the language), I am a damn (ditto) farmer. What the hell (once again) do you expect?

What crops do you grow? In what part of the country?

265 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 6:02:10pm

By the way Brain you still haven't down dinged the posts that got all this started, do you find offensive language more insulting to your sensibilities than the idea that you and your children should be pubic ally humiliated for accepting government handouts?

266 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 6:02:10pm

re: #263 Obdicut

You should probably announce "THIS IS A JOKE" every time you try to tell one, because they're entirely bereft of humor and nobody will be able to tell otherwise.

Oh, now I see. That was a joke.

Being a farmer's nothing to be ashamed of. But farmers should be the ones most concerned about climate change and what it means for them and their children, instead of doing their best to shill for companies that are only concerned about their bottom lines.

267 BrainSurfer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 6:15:49pm

re: #256 Charles Johnson

Well, excuse me, I didn't realize we were in the presence of a scientist. What was your field of study?

Charles, I'm no scientist. Studied astronautics and engineering sciences in school years ago. Spent most of the past thirty years in Asia in business. Have been studying the rise of civilization and man's prehistory both formally and informally over the 35+ years. Have had an active interest in what is now called "climate change" for over three decades - civilizations have been changed, failed, destroyed by changes in climate, and by catastrophic changes, so you can't study one without being much aware of the effects of climate change on past civilizations.

I will not pass myself off as a climate change expert in any way. But I do consider myself as keeping somewhat up to date on issues, although my time has been more devoted to trying to find a real job recently than worrying about the finer points of the AGW or no AGW argument.

268 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 6:17:28pm

re: #267 BrainSurfer

If you're not scientist, why do you think you understand climatology better than climatologists-- so much so that you can say exactly how much their models are off by?

269 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 6:30:52pm

re: #267 BrainSurfer

Charles, I'm no scientist. Studied astronautics and engineering sciences in school years ago. Spent most of the past thirty years in Asia in business. Have been studying the rise of civilization and man's prehistory both formally and informally over the 35+ years. Have had an active interest in what is now called "climate change" for over three decades - civilizations have been changed, failed, destroyed by changes in climate, and by catastrophic changes, so you can't study one without being much aware of the effects of climate change on past civilizations.

I will not pass myself off as a climate change expert in any way. But I do consider myself as keeping somewhat up to date on issues, although my time has been more devoted to trying to find a real job recently than worrying about the finer points of the AGW or no AGW argument.

Uh, OK. So are you a farmer, or was that another joke?

270 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 6:31:38pm

re: #265 jamesfirecat

By the way Brain you still haven't down dinged the posts that got all this started, do you find offensive language more insulting to your sensibilities than the idea that you and your children should be pubic ally humiliated for accepting government handouts?

You've down dinged another post with naughty language post Brain but not the one that supports the idea that you should have your write to vote to taken away and proclaim that you are a drain on society.

I just don't understand your priorities Brainsurfer...

271 BrainSurfer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 6:38:19pm

re: #263 Obdicut

You should probably announce "THIS IS A JOKE" every time you try to tell one, because they're entirely bereft of humor and nobody will be able to tell otherwise.

Good suggestion. You are right - everyone seems so serious on this board and bereft of humor. Will keep it in mind next time a I think a joke might be appropriate.

272 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 6:41:25pm

re: #271 BrainSurfer

No, you misunderstood me. It's that your 'jokes' suck.

You do get the meta-humor, since you, yourself, provide comedy with the amount of pie you smear on your own face.

273 BrainSurfer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 6:42:02pm

re: #269 Charles Johnson

Uh, OK. So are you a farmer, or was that another joke?

Yes - just a joke. I will have to take Obdicutt's suggestion to write "This is a joke" at the top of my post next time to alert everyone that some humor might be included.

274 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 6:42:48pm

re: #273 BrainSurfer

Or you could try actually including some humor.

275 BrainSurfer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 6:48:36pm

re: #274 Obdicut

Or you could try actually including some humor.

Ok - This is a Joke!

A woman walked into the kitchen to find her husband
stalking around with a fly swatter.

'What are you doing?' She asked.

'Hunting Flies' He responded.

'Oh!, Killed any?' She asked.

'Yep, 3 males, 2 Females', he replied.

Intrigued, she asked. 'How can you tell?'

He responded, '3 were on a beer can, 2 were on the phone'.

276 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 6:50:16pm

My lack of amusement is increasing.

277 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 6:53:30pm

re: #275 BrainSurfer

Ok - This is a Joke!

A woman walked into the kitchen to find her husband
stalking around with a fly swatter.

'What are you doing?' She asked.

'Hunting Flies' He responded.

'Oh!, Killed any?' She asked.

'Yep, 3 males, 2 Females', he replied.

Intrigued, she asked. 'How can you tell?'

He responded, '3 were on a beer can, 2 were on the phone'.

Here's a joke, I know a guy who was more insulted by naughty language than by someone suggesting that his children needed to be humiliated because he had fallen upon tough economic times!


....

...

...

...

(Crickets)

Guess you had to be there.

278 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 6:57:06pm

re: #273 BrainSurfer

Yes - just a joke. I will have to take Obdicutt's suggestion to write "This is a joke" at the top of my post next time to alert everyone that some humor might be included.

So you pretend to be a farmer in order to inflict a guilt trip on everyone who's been criticizing the right wing BS you've been spouting, and then you expect to be taken seriously ever again?

279 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 7:09:18pm

Two things.

1. All things aside, he obviously has not thought this through. A chain of government stores? Poor people are all over the US, in different numbers. They all would have to have an access to such stores. This would involve building a lot of such stores - in every small town, etc. - to account for those who won't be able to drive to a nearby city. This would involve planning on a scale not seen since the USSR. This would also involve incredible waste, since you can't predict who will buy what, and these stores would not work on a free market principle, and you still have to always have fresh supplies, so a lot of products would just be spoiled.

2. When you propose such a giant social re-engineering process, you just open the door to any giant social re-engineering process. For then one would have to ask not only what do the poor people contribute to society, but what all the right-wing millionaires and billionaires are good for and whether it's would not be advisable to take certain drastic fiscal measures against them.

280 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 7:10:29pm

re: #278 Charles Johnson

So you pretend to be a farmer in order to inflict a guilt trip on everyone who's been criticizing the right wing BS you've been spouting, and then you expect to be taken seriously ever again?

Manipulative asshole, isn't he?

I wonder if he's related to the Pielkes.

281 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 7:11:38pm

re: #279 Sergey Romanov

Two things.

1. All things aside, he obviously has not thought this through. A chain of government stores? Poor people are all over the US, in different numbers. They all would have to have an access to such stores. This would involve building a lot of such stores - in every small town, etc. - to account for those who won't be able to drive to a nearby city. This would involve planning on a scale not seen since the USSR. This would also involve incredible waste, since you can't predict who will buy what, and these stores would not work on a free market principle, and you still have to always have fresh supplies, so a lot of products would just be spoiled.

2. When you propose such a giant social re-engineering process, you just open the door to any giant social re-engineering process. For then one would have to ask not only what do the poor people contribute to society, but what all the right-wing millionaires and billionaires are good for and whether it's would not be advisable to take certain drastic fiscal measures against them.

You mean he's short sighted? I'm not surprised.

282 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 7:12:34pm

re: #279 Sergey Romanov

Two things.

1. All things aside, he obviously has not thought this through. A chain of government stores? Poor people are all over the US, in different numbers. They all would have to have an access to such stores. This would involve building a lot of such stores - in every small town, etc. - to account for those who won't be able to drive to a nearby city. This would involve planning on a scale not seen since the USSR. This would also involve incredible waste, since you can't predict who will buy what, and these stores would not work on a free market principle, and you still have to always have fresh supplies, so a lot of products would just be spoiled.

But sir, you are missing the point!

283 BrainSurfer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 7:18:52pm

re: #276 Charles Johnson

My lack of amusement is increasing.

Not even a slight smile? Dang, I thought that one was not too bad.

Come on, Charles, what do you want me to do? Agree with everyone one here? Be uber-liberal and utterly profane (not hard at all to do) so that I fit in with even the most liberal of the crowd. Say the word, and I will do it - I can become CuriousLurker's Liberal Cussing Cousin .... or, tell me that you do not want independent thinkers here, and I will stop posting,.... or, just let me be myself - I have no problem being the pinata here, but will always be civil and keep a sense of humor.

I might learn a thing or two, have some of my opinions change, or provide some food for thought as well. I do realize that I have to be on my toes when posting on issues if I expect to sway this crowd in any way, if that's even possible - not a problem. I like the debating of issues with logic and facts. Hell, I might even go full fledged liberal instead of the half-assed one I am right now.

284 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 7:28:26pm

re: #283 BrainSurfer

Not even a slight smile? Dang, I thought that one was not too bad.

Come on, Charles, what do you want me to do? Agree with everyone one here? Be uber-liberal and utterly profane (not hard at all to do) so that I fit in with even the most liberal of the crowd. Say the word, and I will do it - I can become CuriousLurker's Liberal Cussing Cousin ... or, tell me that you do not want independent thinkers here, and I will stop posting,... or, just let me be myself - I have no problem being the pinata here, but will always be civil and keep a sense of humor.

I might learn a thing or two, have some of my opinions change, or provide some food for thought as well. I do realize that I have to be on my toes when posting on issues if I expect to sway this crowd in any way, if that's even possible - not a problem. I like the debating of issues with logic and facts. Hell, I might even go full fledged liberal instead of the half-assed one I am right now.

I'd like some consistency from you.

You said you "would go deep serious if someone tried to humiliate me for doing so. [Taking government handouts]"

This is exactly what carlaschluge was arguing needs to be done.

Why have you not downdinged him/her if you disagree with his/her positions so violently?

285 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 7:30:33pm

re: #283 BrainSurfer

You don't use any facts when you debate. You use debunked talking points, and then attempt to distract from the fact that you've got nothin'.

286 BrainSurfer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 7:40:08pm

re: #284 jamesfirecat

I'd like some consistency from you.

You said you "would go deep serious if someone tried to humiliate me for doing so. [Taking government handouts]"

This is exactly what carlaschluge was arguing needs to be done.

Why have you not downdinged him/her if you disagree with his/her positions so violently?

"Never even thought about dinging people. Is that something that get's a lot of attention here? What's a ding here or there from me to matter anyway?

287 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 7:40:31pm

The "middle class" that the Republicans bend over backwards to accommodate wouldn't exist at all if it weren't for massive government handouts.

(Remember during the 2008 VP debate when McCain said he wanted the Government to buy mortgages from underwater seniors in Florida?)

288 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 7:41:52pm

re: #286 BrainSurfer

"Never even thought about dinging people. Is that something that get's a lot of attention here? What's a ding here or there from me to matter anyway?

You bothered to down ding the people who swore.

Why not put your mouse where your mouth is on the issues you claim to support and downding carlaschluge's for his/her comments?

I mean does the idea that you and your family should be humiliated for taking government support bother you or not?

289 BrainSurfer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 7:47:43pm

re: #285 Obdicut

You don't use any facts when you debate. You use debunked talking points, and then attempt to distract from the fact that you've got nothin'.

Guilty - it's been about six months or so since I have done any extensive AGW posting debates so I have had to resort to quick google searches to sites (e.g. WUWT) for some info to post on the fly. Don't remember these latest facts as being debunked, more to the contrary, which is why the terminology has moved from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change". And I definitely believe our Climate is Changing.

290 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 7:50:34pm

re: #289 BrainSurfer

Don't remember these latest facts as being debunked

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291 freetoken  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 7:50:38pm

re: #289 BrainSurfer

... Don't remember these latest facts as being debunked, more to the contrary, which is why the terminology has moved from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change". And I definitely believe our Climate is Changing.

Sigh... another denier meme.

"Climate change" as a term was used years ago. It is simply more inclusive, and therefore more descriptive of the larger problem, than the more particular "global warming", which while accurate focuses too much of the listeners' attention onto "warming" when other factors such as precipitation are important.

292 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 7:55:19pm

re: #289 BrainSurfer

Guilty - it's been about six months or so since I have done any extensive AGW posting debates so I have had to resort to quick google searches to sites (e.g. WUWT) for some info to post on the fly. Don't remember these latest facts as being debunked, more to the contrary, which is why the terminology has moved from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change". And I definitely believe our Climate is Changing.

The move from AGW to Climate Change was initiated by Frank Luntz in a 2003 memo to the Bush administration suggesting they change their rhetoric to the less threatening Climate Change.

In fact, Climate Change predates AGW.

You see, the info you have is wrong.

293 BrainSurfer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 7:55:37pm

re: #288 jamesfirecat

You bothered to down ding the people who swore.

Why not put your mouse where your mouth is on the issues you claim to support and downding carlaschluge's for his/her comments?

I mean does the idea that you and your family should be humiliated for taking government support bother you or not?

Well, what if I simply am not in the least bothered by the ramblings of (people who have opinions different than mine)? I really don't give a shit when it comes to dinging. If it is really important to everyone here, then I will ding the hell out of posts I like or don't like

PS - Question - is there an easy way to tell which posts someone dings without having to look at each individual post?

294 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 7:57:09pm

re: #289 BrainSurfer

Guilty - it's been about six months or so since I have done any extensive AGW posting debates so I have had to resort to quick google searches to sites (e.g. WUWT) for some info to post on the fly. Don't remember these latest facts as being debunked, more to the contrary, which is why the terminology has moved from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change". And I definitely believe our Climate is Changing.

WUWT is the wrong place to get accurate information. As a simple example of this, Tony doesn't understand base periods or anomolies.

295 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 8:00:20pm

re: #289 BrainSurfer

Guilty - it's been about six months or so since I have done any extensive AGW posting debates so I have had to resort to quick google searches to sites (e.g. WUWT) for some info to post on the fly. Don't remember these latest facts as being debunked, more to the contrary, which is why the terminology has moved from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change". And I definitely believe our Climate is Changing.

And again, the dishonest troll flag goes up.

296 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 8:00:26pm

re: #293 BrainSurfer

Well, what if I simply am not in the least bothered by the ramblings of (people who have opinions different than mine)? I really don't give a shit when it comes to dinging. If it is really important to everyone here, then I will ding the hell out of posts I like or don't like

PS - Question - is there an easy way to tell which posts someone dings without having to look at each individual post?

I still think your priorities are wrong if you downding people whose opinions you agree with, just not the way they express them, but leave alone people who would say call your family paracites just because you have fallen upon hard economic times.


LFG Spies shows you the dings as they occur (within a min or two) but after that not really.

297 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 8:13:22pm

re: #283 BrainSurfer

Not even a slight smile? Dang, I thought that one was not too bad.

Come on, Charles, what do you want me to do? Agree with everyone one here? Be uber-liberal and utterly profane (not hard at all to do) so that I fit in with even the most liberal of the crowd. Say the word, and I will do it - I can become CuriousLurker's Liberal Cussing Cousin ... or, tell me that you do not want independent thinkers here, and I will stop posting,... or, just let me be myself - I have no problem being the pinata here, but will always be civil and keep a sense of humor.

I might learn a thing or two, have some of my opinions change, or provide some food for thought as well. I do realize that I have to be on my toes when posting on issues if I expect to sway this crowd in any way, if that's even possible - not a problem. I like the debating of issues with logic and facts. Hell, I might even go full fledged liberal instead of the half-assed one I am right now.

Boring and fake.

You're mock-sincere and are leaving sticky smudges of rhetorical fallacy all over the place. You've selected a posture of pantomime earnestness plus condescension, but can't help posting passive aggressive digs that are obvious passive aggressive digs. This is an information-poor medium and you're still a bad actor.

You're predictable, and the clock is ticking on when your decision tree of whiny statements and weak insults collapses.

298 BrainSurfer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 8:26:05pm

re: #292 Flaming Dumpster

The move from AGW to Climate Change was initiated by Frank Luntz in a 2003 memo to the Bush administration suggesting they change their rhetoric to the less threatening Climate Change.

In fact, Climate Change predates AGW.

You see, the info you have is wrong.

Sure does. Back in the 60's and 70"s, scientific community was worried about significant Climate Change, a coming Ice Age - Global Cooling. The 1957 International Geophysical Year - an international effort to study the earch - observed that considerably more ice was building up on the South Polar Cap versus the North Polar Cap. One line of thinking was that the earth would become imbalanced due to the large difference in ice volume and weight between the poles, and one possible result was a shift in the earth's axis.

A scientist, John White, wrote a book published in 1980 (which I read years ago) which discussed this possibility based on the scientific observations first begin with the 1957-1958 IGY plus some mythology and legends thrown in as well. The book was given serious consideration because of the author's credentials. So - from my perspective we have swung from experts proclaiming coming ice ages to pole shifts to global warming and glaciers melting and seas rising and mankind dying (and now back to a mini-ice age?) I agree the seas are rising - they have risen over 200 meter over the past 10000 plus years. Not so much recently. I also agree that CO2 levels have increased dramatically, but the temps have not risen as forecast. There are factors involved in our climate change which cannot be explained, and I remain very interested in learning more and have a very open mind on this. But I don't consider the science as being settled, nor do I accept the statement that all scientists agree with AGW.

299 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 8:27:23pm

re: #298 BrainSurfer

Sure does. Back in the 60's and 70"s, scientific community was worried about significant Climate Change, a coming Ice Age - Global Cooling. The 1957 International Geophysical Year - an international effort to study the earch - observed that considerably more ice was building up on the South Polar Cap versus the North Polar Cap. One line of thinking was that the earth would become imbalanced due to the large difference in ice volume and weight between the poles, and one possible result was a shift in the earth's axis.

A scientist, John White, wrote a book published in 1980 (which I read years ago) which discussed this possibility based on the scientific observations first begin with the 1957-1958 IGY plus some mythology and legends thrown in as well. The book was given serious consideration because of the author's credentials. So - from my perspective we have swung from experts proclaiming coming ice ages to pole shifts to global warming and glaciers melting and seas rising and mankind dying (and now back to a mini-ice age?) I agree the seas are rising - they have risen over 200 meter over the past 10000 plus years. Not so much recently. I also agree that CO2 levels have increased dramatically, but the temps have not risen as forecast. There are factors involved in our climate change which cannot be explained, and I remain very interested in learning more and have a very open mind on this. But I don't consider the science as being settled, nor do I accept the statement that all scientists agree with AGW.

///Yeah, only more than 95% of them do!

300 freetoken  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 8:29:17pm

re: #298 BrainSurfer

Sigh... how many of these denier memes do you plan on rolling out tonight?

301 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 8:30:19pm

re: #298 BrainSurfer

Sure does. Back in the 60's and 70"s, scientific community was worried about significant Climate Change, a coming Ice Age - Global Cooling. The 1957 International Geophysical Year - an international effort to study the earch - observed that considerably more ice was building up on the South Polar Cap versus the North Polar Cap. One line of thinking was that the earth would become imbalanced due to the large difference in ice volume and weight between the poles, and one possible result was a shift in the earth's axis.

A scientist, John White, wrote a book published in 1980 (which I read years ago) which discussed this possibility based on the scientific observations first begin with the 1957-1958 IGY plus some mythology and legends thrown in as well. The book was given serious consideration because of the author's credentials. So - from my perspective we have swung from experts proclaiming coming ice ages to pole shifts to global warming and glaciers melting and seas rising and mankind dying (and now back to a mini-ice age?) I agree the seas are rising - they have risen over 200 meter over the past 10000 plus years. Not so much recently. I also agree that CO2 levels have increased dramatically, but the temps have not risen as forecast. There are factors involved in our climate change which cannot be explained, and I remain very interested in learning more and have a very open mind on this. But I don't consider the science as being settled, nor do I accept the statement that all scientists agree with AGW.

By the way, wake me when you feel like getting back to the topic of this thread, people saying other people should be humiliated for taking government assistance.

(Seriously folks I am going to bed)

302 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 8:36:16pm

re: #300 freetoken

Sigh... how many of these denier memes do you plan on rolling out tonight?

It's pathetic. And he seems to think we've never seen this crap before.

303 BrainSurfer  Tue, Feb 28, 2012 8:43:49pm

re: #295 Charles Johnson

And again, the dishonest troll flag goes up.

Not dishonest at all, Charles. Quite honest in fact at admitting to making quick searches to get info for my replies rather than relying totally on memory, which still works fairly well. Alternative is to pull out files from my filing cabinets and craft well-thought out and researched responses. In hindsight, maybe that would have been best, rather than get sucked into another AGW discussion. Seems like I did that all through 2010 and well into 2011.

304 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:14:50am

re: #303 BrainSurfer

Not dishonest at all, Charles. Quite honest in fact at admitting to making quick searches to get info for my replies rather than relying totally on memory, which still works fairly well. Alternative is to pull out files from my filing cabinets and craft well-thought out and researched responses. In hindsight, maybe that would have been best, rather than get sucked into another AGW discussion. Seems like I did that all through 2010 and well into 2011.

haha the laughingstock can't get enough!


The sympathy aw shucks play doesn't work, dude, we've seen it all before, read it all before


How long you been doing this whole internet thing, anyway?

305 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 3:32:30am

re: #298 BrainSurfer

You realize every bit of crap you spew comes pre-debunked, right?

[Link: www.skepticalscience.com...]

1970s ice age predictions were predominantly media based. The majority of peer reviewed research at the time predicted warming due to increasing CO2.

306 Bulworth  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:52:57am
There should be humiliation and pain in government assistance. Every time someone accepts food stamps, they are spitting on the principles of independence, and they, not the taxpayers who fund the program, should be reminded of that fact.

True. It would be more independent of these people to rob a store or burgularize a house or two to get their food.// Does the Daily Caller also understand that people who work, taxpayers that is, are eligible for Food Stamps, so the recipients in fact are helping to fund the program?


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