Bloodthirsty ‘Anti-Jihad’ Bloggers Rant Crazily About Apologies for Koran-Burning

The Bigot Brigade calls for wholesale slaughter, not apologies
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Frank Gaffney with hate group leader Pamela GellerHere’s an astonishingly paranoid article in the Washington Times by anti-Muslim crusader Frank Gaffney, warning right wingers yet again that shariah law is about to take over America, and arguing that people who criticize Gaffney and his conspiracy theories are “precisely the same” as the Ku Klux Klan. In this persecution fantasy, Gaffney plays the part of the civil rights activist.

In short, we find ourselves in what is, properly understood, the civil rights struggle of our time. Those who stand up for freedom against Shariah are quite literally protecting the rights of women, children, people of faith and other minorities sure to be abused by its misogynistic, intolerant and domineering doctrine. That means protecting, as well, Muslim-Americans who have come to this country to escape the long arm of Shariah law. In due course, though, Shariah’s repressive strictures would not simply be a threat to these communities. They would be a toxic blight upon all of us.

Ironically, today, it is defenders of our freedoms who are being denounced as “racists,” “bigots” and “Islamophobes.” Such terms are, in truth, being used in much the same way and for precisely the same purpose as the Ku Klux Klan’s members reviled an earlier generation of civil rights activists for loving blacks: to defame, threaten and isolate their opponents. We cannot, and certainly must not, tolerate the Islamists’ intolerance.

This latest crazy rant was triggered by President Obama’s apology to the Afghan people for US troops mistakenly burning Korans. In fact, that apology has triggered crazy rants from all over the bigoted anti-Muslim blogosphere, including, of course, the always insane Pamela Geller — who wants to see wholesale slaughter of Muslims, not apologies: PAMELA GELLER, WND COLUMN: STOP APOLOGIZING AND START CARPET-BOMBING!!!!! - Atlas Shrugs

The fish stinks from the head down, and this is Obama’s foreign policy. Is it any wonder that jihadist attempts in this country have skyrocketed under this president?

And what is he on his belly for? Why would civilized men apologize for destroying materials that were being used to send jihadist messages to kill our soldiers and our citizens? This is madness. Where are Muslim apologies for 1,400 years of jihadi wars, land appropriations, cultural annihilations and enslavements? Where are their apologies for the relentless jihad warfare against the Jews, the Hindus, Christians and all non-Muslims? Where are the apologies for 9/11, 7/7, 3/11, the U.S.S. Cole, the Khobar Towers, Beslan and Bosnia?

America does not apologize to savages and cannibals and ghouls.

Stop apologizing and start carpet-bombing. Defeat jihad. What’s it going to take?

Stop apologizing to these savages and start fighting. As an American, I do not apologize. I withdraw Obama’s apology. I withdraw Gen. Allen’s apology. I condemn their apology. I do not submit to a culture that suffocates ideas, critical thinking, women, non-Muslims. I do not apologize that the United States of America is “the greatest, the noblest and, in its original founding principles, the only moral country in the history of the world.”

The incoherent, hate-obsessed Pamela Geller now has the temerity to place herself above the commander of US forces in Afghanistan, Gen. John R. Allen. But then, she’s never lacked for self-esteem.

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260 comments
1 erik_t  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:19:19am

The sun rose this morning, and it surprised me more than this event.

2 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:19:43am

And carpet-bombing would achieve... what? Other than lots and lots of dead Afghans.

3 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:21:37am

re: #2 Obdicut

And carpet-bombing would achieve... what? Other than lots and lots of dead Afghans.

But that's exactly what she wants. So, mission accomplished, in a sick and perverted sense.

4 erik_t  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:22:07am

re: #2 Obdicut

And carpet-bombing would achieve... what? Other than lots and lots of dead Afghans.

Oh, dear, don't call them that. Sooner or later you might even think they're people.

/

5 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:22:33am

That's right - in Pamela Geller's feverish brain, if Afghans are upset that US troops burned Korans, the proper response is indiscriminate mass murder.

6 Kragar  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:23:20am

re: #2 Obdicut

And carpet-bombing would achieve... what? Other than lots and lots of dead Afghans.

Pissing off a sizable percentage of the world's population for the indiscriminate targeting of civilians.

7 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:23:51am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

That's right - in Pamela Geller's feverish brain, if Afghans are upset that US troops burned Korans, the proper response is indiscriminate mass murder.

The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim! Culture war! ANTI-JIHAD-JIHAD!

8 blueraven  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:24:19am

Wow

America is "the only moral country in the history of the world.”

The only moral country ever? In the history of the world?

9 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:24:52am

re: #8 blueraven

Wow

America is "the only moral country in the history of the world.”

The only moral country ever? In the history of the world?

That's right. America, FUCK YEAH!

10 General Nimrod Bodfish  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:24:55am

re: #2 Obdicut

And carpet-bombing would achieve... what? Other than lots and lots of dead Afghans.

*waves hand in air* Oooh! Ooh! Pick me! Me!

It would inflame an already tense situation in the Muslim world even further, causing even more Muslims to be radicalized against America and her allies and would lead to more attacks on Western interest/locales (embassies, places where Western tourist frequent, etc).

///

FFS, don't they think out their rhetori- oh, wait, they don't. Nevermind.

11 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:25:35am

The funny thing is that if there was even a smallest chance of a "sharia taking hold" in regard to non-Muslim affairs, we liberals would be the first to fight against it.

12 Coracle  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:25:51am

Jeez. I think it's time to get out of Afghanistan. There's a cultural division there we have failed to breach after a decade. Our erstwhile allies there score local points by badmouthing us. Some of the people we're trying to train are hairtrigger enough to turn the weapons we give them on us.

The folks in Kabul might appreciate what we've been trying to do, but I think the average Afghani sees little difference between our presence and that of the Soviets decades ago.

We've put in the good faith effort, the treasure, the blood. More than enough o all three. Leave with the promise that if we have to come back they'll like us even less.

13 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:25:54am

These people are fucking ghouls.

14 General Nimrod Bodfish  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:26:07am

re: #9 thedopefishlives

That's right. America, FUCK YEAH!

15 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:26:13am

re: #8 blueraven

I'd be interested to see what takes some countries out of the running. Canada? I'm betting Poutine. Costa Rica? They give out mad guilt trips.

16 Simply Sarah  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:26:18am

re: #2 Obdicut

And carpet-bombing would achieve... what? Other than lots and lots of dead Afghans.

As several other people have said, that's precisely her goal. Is it sadistic? Yep. Is it utterly sickening and disgusting? Check. Is it completely irrational? You bet! So it's par for the course for her. She really is pitiful.

17 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:26:45am

re: #11 Sergey Romanov

Did you see that in their fight against contraception, the GOP invited a Muslim dude to say that enforcing contraception coverage would violate Sharia?

18 Simply Sarah  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:27:55am

re: #17 Obdicut

Did you see that in their fight against contraception, the GOP invited a Muslim dude to say that enforcing contraception coverage would violate Sharia?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, even when he's also my enemy.

19 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:28:07am

re: #17 Obdicut

Did you see that in their fight against contraception, the GOP invited a Muslim dude to say that enforcing contraception coverage would violate Sharia?

For realz?

20 Kragar  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:28:23am

re: #17 Obdicut

Did you see that in their fight against contraception, the GOP invited a Muslim dude to say that enforcing contraception coverage would violate Sharia?

You can't buy comedy like that.

21 Simply Sarah  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:28:42am

re: #19 Sergey Romanov

For realz?

Yes for realz.

22 Bulworth  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:29:52am

Can someone update me as to how the burning of the Korans was an accident or a mistake?

23 mr.fusion  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:30:19am

re: #2 Obdicut

And carpet-bombing would achieve... what? Other than lots and lots of dead Afghans.

Step 1: Carpet-bombing
Step 2:
Step 3: Profit!

24 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:30:29am

re: #17 Obdicut

Did you see that in their fight against contraception, the GOP invited a Muslim dude to say that enforcing contraception coverage would violate Sharia?

Say what? You can't buy comedy like that.

25 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:31:00am

re: #3 thedopefishlives

But that's exactly what she wants. So, mission accomplished, in a sick and perverted sense.

Her believing that they want to "Kill us all" proves that they are bloodthirsty savages. Her believing that we should go carpet bomb them and "Kill them all" is moral.

WTF is wrong with these "people"?

26 Coracle  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:31:29am

re: #22 Bulworth

Can someone update me as to how the burning of the Korans was an accident or a mistake?

I think we may never know if it was truly a mistake or a boneheaded malicious choice by someone or some several.

27 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:31:48am

Speaking of religious nuttery. I was reading an article with my Dad during lunch about a RCC priest who denied communion to a lesbian woman at her mother's funeral and later walked out during the woman's eulogy for her mom and refused to go the burial. But it's the gays who are the bullies says Rick Santorum!

28 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:31:59am

re: #23 mr.fusion

Step 1: Carpet-bombing
Step 2:
Step 3: Profit!

If you use "anti-Jihadis" instead of bombs... just might work.

29 The Optimist  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:32:00am

The Afghans are not good hosts. First they extend an invitation for our fine soldiers to visit their country (i..e. 911). Then they go bat-$hit killing crazy when some desecrated Korans are burned by our soldiers when they would have burned the same Korans.

Afghans deserve each other. Lets get out and leave them alone. Of course, if they invite us again, we won't overstay our welcome.

Carpet bombing should be off the list of options.

30 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:32:07am

re: #25 RayFerd

Her believing that they want to "Kill us all" proves that they are bloodthirsty savages. Her believing that we should go carpet bomb them and "Kill them all" is moral.

WTF is wrong with these "people"?

If we knew, the discovery would be worth millions to the mental health community.

31 Simply Sarah  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:32:13am

re: #25 RayFerd

Her believing that they want to "Kill us all" proves that they are bloodthirsty savages. Her believing that we should go carpet bomb them and "Kill them all" is moral.

WTF is wrong with these "people"?

Cognitive dissonance isn't a river in Egypt.

32 blueraven  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:33:28am

Meh...Papal law, Sharia law, what's the diff?

/half

33 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:34:13am

re: #8 blueraven

Wow

America is "the only moral country in the history of the world.”

The only moral country ever? In the history of the world?

Getting back to this, remember, these people are staunch believers in the revisionist history that America, unique among the nations of the world, was founded as a "Christian nation". That gives us the unique position of being the only country created with God's explicit blessing and the attendant moral imperatives. This completely deranged talk of willful mass murder is the logical end of this line of thought.

34 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:34:25am

re: #19 Sergey Romanov

For realz?

For realz.

[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

In their ongoing attempt to portray the Obama administration’s birth control rule as infringing on religious freedom, House Republicans invited a Muslim witness to a hearing who pointed out that such a precedent could permit the government to make laws that violate Islamic code.

35 Simply Sarah  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:35:05am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Speaking of religious nuttery. I was reading an article with my Dad during lunch about a RCC priest who denied communion to a lesbian woman at her mother's funeral and later walked out during the woman's eulogy for her mom and refused to go the burial. But it's the gays who are the bullies says Rick Santorum!

Believe it or not, the priest should be reprimanded for doing that, even under the normally backwards rules of the Roman Catholic Church. The teachings of the Church actually say that, outside a specific decree from leadership to do so, no one should deny communion to someone seeking it. It is supposed to be up to the person taking it to judge whether or not they should be doing it. Between them and God, basically.

36 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:35:23am

re: #8 blueraven

Wow

America is "the only moral country in the history of the world.”

The only moral country ever? In the history of the world?

Yes. You see, Israel is immoral, acc. to Pam.

37 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:36:19am

re: #34 Obdicut

For realz.

[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

So, now they're concerned with preserving Sharia law after all this talk about how Sharia Law is creeping. And as I've argued since the Sharia paranoia mess started, the best way to stop Sharia Law isn't to weaken the separation of church and state, it's to strengthen it but these idiots think separation of church is a Nazi Marxist idea and makes them puke at least in Frothy's case.

38 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:36:37am

Since people have been trying and failing since Alexander to conquer Afghanistan, the only reasonable policy was to go in quickly, strike hard at Al-Qaeda (and the Taliban if they sheltered them) and get out. Instead, people-whose-names-I-won't-mention turned to knocking over Iraq.

I confess I haven't a clue what we should do now, but we should be looking for a way out (we got bin Laden, victory!), as there is no real victory possible there.

39 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:36:40am

re: #36 Sergey Romanov

Yes. You see, Israel is immoral, acc. to Pam.

Well, they DID kill Jesus, remember.

40 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:36:49am

re: #34 Obdicut

They must have found a complete and total lunatic. Most Muslims find Birth Control acceptable and non-controversial. Whoever this nut is must be roughly where the Taliban are, because only the Taliban were the only group nutty enough to ban Birth Control.

Which means this guy better the hell be on a watch list.

41 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:36:59am

re: #35 Simply Sarah

Believe it or not, the priest should be reprimanded for doing that, even under the normally backwards rules of the Roman Catholic Church. The teachings of the Church actually say that, outside a specific decree from leadership to do so, no one should deny communion to someone seeking it. It is supposed to be up to the person taking it to judge whether or not they should be doing it. Between them and God, basically.

Ah I didn't know that. Dad and I both agreed that the priest was a huge jerk for doing so.

42 Bulworth  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:37:09am

In any event, I can't believe you all are criticizing Gaffney. He's a civil rights activist! He said so. //

43 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:37:13am

re: #39 thedopefishlives

Well, they DID kill Jesus, remember.

And Pam is not even a Christian.

44 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:37:17am

Gaffney:

Today, every bit as much as in the civil rights struggles of the past, there are those who are prepared to go along with what they know is wrong in order to get along. Now, as then, the few who recognize that any such accommodation makes more certain the ultimate triumph of evil, may be vilified and even harmed. But now, as then, more and more Americans are emerging who see the danger posed by our time’s totalitarian threat - Shariah - and will do their part to secure freedom against it, both here and, as necessary for that purpose, elsewhere.

Toxic Word Salad, with the choking Croutons of Lies.

45 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:37:38am

re: #40 ProGunLiberal

Sorry, it looks like I misspoke-- he was just saying the government could possibly mandate something that violated Islamic law.

46 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:37:41am

re: #42 Bulworth

In any event, I can't believe you all are criticizing Gaffney. He's a civil rights activist! He said so. //

And Pam is a human rights activist.

47 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:38:15am

I worry about Sharia so much that I have a 12 pack of Sierra Nevada and ham in the fridge.

48 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:38:41am

re: #43 Sergey Romanov

And Pam is not even a Christian.

I actually didn't know that. She talks like one of the completely off-the-rails unhinged fundamentalists.

49 Bulworth  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:38:49am
But now, as then, more and more Americans are emerging who see the danger posed by our time’s totalitarian threat - Shariah - and will do their part to secure freedom against it, both here and, as necessary for that purpose, elsewhere.

IOW, total and permanent war.

50 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:39:07am

re: #47 HappyWarrior

I worry about Sharia so much that I have a 12 pack of Sierra Nevada and ham in the fridge.

I think Gaffney worries about Sharia so much that each day he takes a liquified ham bath.

51 erik_t  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:39:08am

re: #40 ProGunLiberal

They must have found a complete and total lunatic. Most Muslims find Birth Control acceptable and non-controversial. Whoever this nut is must be roughly where the Taliban are, because only the Taliban were the only group nutty enough to ban Birth Control.

Which means this guy better the hell be on a watch list.

So... just like all of the Christians they had on the panel?

52 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:41:11am

re: #50 Sergey Romanov

I think Gaffney worries about Sharia so much that each day he takes a liquified ham bath.

Probably. Seriously the Sharia paranoia crap is the most pathetic fear based campaign I've ever witnessed in this country.

53 blueraven  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:41:27am

re: #45 Obdicut

Sorry, it looks like I misspoke-- he was just saying the government could possibly mandate something that violated Islamic law.

The point still stands though. A set of religious laws should not impede on the rights of Americans.

54 Kragar  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:42:34am

re: #45 Obdicut

Sorry, it looks like I misspoke-- he was just saying the government could possibly mandate something that violated Islamic law.

Gee, its too bad they didn't include a religious exemption ...

Wait a sec.

55 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:44:31am

re: #54 Kragar

Gee, its too bad they didn't include a religious exemption ...

Wait a sec.

NO! CANT WAIT! MUST FIHGT SHIRAH!!H

56 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:44:37am

By the way, just to be clear, I find the Afghans' response to this incident to be appalling; desecration of their holy book does not give them license to murder.

But this is the reality in that part of the world, and calling for simply wiping them out in response is just as bad.

57 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:44:41am

re: #54 Kragar

It's basically like complaining that mandating doctors be educated to practice medicine violates the religious law of religions that believe in faith-healing.

I'm going to start a religion that's against just about everything, including showing up to court.

58 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:45:03am

re: #56 Charles Johnson

By the way, just to be clear, I find the Afghans' response to this incident to be appalling; desecration of their holy book does not give them license to murder.

But this is the reality in that part of the world, and calling for simply wiping them out in response is just as bad.

Yep. This.

59 CuriousLurker  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:46:16am

re: #40 ProGunLiberal

They must have found a complete and total lunatic. Most Muslims find Birth Control acceptable and non-controversial. Whoever this nut is must be roughly where the Taliban are, because only the Taliban were the only group nutty enough to ban Birth Control.

Which means this guy better the hell be on a watch list.

Try investigating a little before you badmouth people. "He" is a she and this is the almuslimah.com web site. It's hardly a nest of deranged Talibanis.

re: #45 Obdicut

Sorry, it looks like I misspoke-- he was just saying the government could possibly mandate something that violated Islamic law.

She's still getting it wrong WRT contraception as no one is mandating that anyone take contraceptives. From the article:

“If the government mandated everything that had positive health benefits, it could possibly mandate that everyone drink red wine for heart health even though it violates the religious beliefs of Muslims,” Uddin said.

She went on: “And it could mandate that everyone eat shellfish, even though that violates the religious beliefs of Jews. And it could mandate gym memberships because it’s widely accepted that exercise is beneficial.”

That is simply not what's happening.

60 KettleKat  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:46:37am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

But it's the gays who are the bullies says Rick Santorum!

Lying bigot spouts lies and bigotry, news at 11.

I'd like to see a comparison of the importance of the major forms of bigotry among modern Republicans. How do I, as a someone with multiple letters from LGBT, and a practitioner of a non-Abrahamic religion, stack up in the overall ranking against blacks, Mexicans, and Jews?

EDIT: Can't BELIEVE I forgot Muslims!!

61 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:46:57am

I seem to recall conservatives equally getting their panties in a knot over flag burning. Just like Flag burning, Koran burning is a terrible idea, and it makes a terrible statement and shows profound disrespect. We should not engage in it on foreign soil, or even give the appearance that we have disrespect for Islam.

62 Kragar  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:47:56am

re: #57 Obdicut

It's basically like complaining that mandating doctors be educated to practice medicine violates the religious law of religions that believe in faith-healing.

I'm going to start a religion that's against just about everything, including showing up to court.

I face religious oppression everyday because the Government refuses to recognize my rights as a Khorne worshiping American. I can't even walk the streets with a bloody chainaxe without being hassled by the police.

63 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:48:27am

The whole "pay for sin" thing tends to cancel the taxes too. I mean, you give away money and have no control over the purposes towards which it is used.

64 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:49:34am

NEWS FLASH! Davy Jones of the Monkees has died.

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

65 Kragar  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:49:37am

re: #60 rainkettle

Lying bigot spouts lies and bigotry, news at 11.

I'd like to see a comparison of the importance of the major forms of bigotry among modern Republicans. How do I, as a someone with multiple letters from LGBT, and a practitioner of a non-Abrahamic religion, stack up in the overall ranking against blacks, Mexicans, and Jews?

Rush spent a good 10 minutes on his show explaining how the Democrats have been the one attacking women's rights and trying to press their religious beliefs on Americans.

66 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:49:48am

re: #60 rainkettle

Lying bigot spouts lies and bigotry, news at 11.

I'd like to see a comparison of the importance of the major forms of bigotry among modern Republicans. How do I, as a someone with multiple letters from LGBT, and a practitioner of a non-Abrahamic religion, stack up in the overall ranking against blacks, Mexicans, and Jews?

I want to know why they feel the gays persecute them. As a straight God believing white male, I don't feel threatened by same sex marriage and relationships one bit.

67 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:50:19am
68 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:50:56am

re: #56 Charles Johnson

By the way, just to be clear, I find the Afghans' response to this incident to be appalling; desecration of their holy book does not give them license to murder.

But this is the reality in that part of the world, and calling for simply wiping them out in response is just as bad.

Any second now you will be accused of supporting the riots.

69 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:51:09am

re: #60 rainkettle

Lying bigot spouts lies and bigotry, news at 11.

I'd like to see a comparison of the importance of the major forms of bigotry among modern Republicans. How do I, as a someone with multiple letters from LGBT, and a practitioner of a non-Abrahamic religion, stack up in the overall ranking against blacks, Mexicans, and Jews?

At least you can check your self into a couple of rightwing 'clinics' and be 'cured'! Think of the poor Blacks and Mexicans who were born that way!

///

70 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:51:26am

re: #68 Sergey Romanov

Any second now you will be accused of supporting the riots.

I know, totally predictable.

71 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:51:35am

re: #61 reuven

I seem to recall conservatives equally getting their panties in a knot over flag burning. Just like Flag burning, Koran burning is a terrible idea, and it makes a terrible statement and shows profound disrespect. We should not engage in it on foreign soil, or even give the appearance that we have disrespect for Islam.

It shouldn't have been done in plain view of local translators, police, eployees etc. They burned the Qurans because prisoners were using them to pass messages to each other. It should have been done discreetly and out of public view.

72 samuraishake  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:51:35am

Just to piss her off even more, Obama should apologize to the world every time she publishes an article.

73 KettleKat  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:51:53am

re: #66 HappyWarrior

I want to know why they feel the gays persecute them. As a straight God believing white male, I don't feel threatened by same sex marriage and relationships one bit.

I think it's because they believe their god is going to punish them if they don't destroy the gays.

74 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:52:59am

re: #44 wrenchwench

Upding for "croutons of lies".

75 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:53:04am

re: #73 rainkettle

I think it's because they believe their god is going to punish them if they don't destroy the gays.

I guess. Yet the allmighty if he's the all powerful being they see him as has allowed people to be gay for centuries now.

76 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:53:08am

re: #73 rainkettle

I think it's because they believe their god is going to punish them if they don't destroy the gays.

Eh, sort of. It's more along the lines of, they feel that gays are pressuring to eliminate the Christian influence on legislation. Which is not only entirely true, but pretty well justified, to boot. I'm a dedicated Christian and I don't believe the Bible should be codified as the rule of law in our country.

77 CuriousLurker  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:53:10am

re: #64 reuven

NEWS FLASH! Davy Jones of the Monkees has died.

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

Aw, man. I had a big crush on him when I was a kid.

Okay, time to get back to work.... *sigh*

78 KettleKat  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:54:28am

re: #69 wrenchwench

At least you can check your self into a couple of rightwing 'clinics' and be 'cured'! Think of the poor Blacks and Mexicans who were born that way!

///

I know, at least I have a chance of salvation, unlike those horribly deformed creatures. St. Torum have mercy on their tortured souls.

79 Kragar  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:54:33am

Pennsylvania Legislators Considering One Of The Most Far-Reaching Ultrasound Bills In The Nation

In addition to mandating the much-maligned transvaginal ultrasound requirements since rejected by the state of Virginia, Pennsylvania legislators proposed strongly encouraging women to view and listen to the ultrasounds, forcing technicians to give the women personalized copies of the results and mandating how long before any abortion the ultrasound much be performed — and that’s just for starters. [...]

“This bill definitely suffers the legislators-playing-doctor problem. … There are a number of requirements in this bill that are medically unnecessary,” Nash said, pointing out that so many requirements packed into the 22-page bill could make it logistically difficult for abortion providers to comply with them. “This bill is something that would be unacceptable to most women seeking an abortion.”

Additionally, Nash points out that the length of the legislation hides bizarre and unprecedented requirements, such as asking women who gets an ultrasound more than 14 days before her abortion to view a state-approved video on fetal gestation. The bill, unlike many other ultrasound requirements, does offer exceptions for victims of rape and incest; the bill does not require victims to have reported the incidents to the authorities.

80 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:56:17am

re: #29 The Optimist

The Afghans are not good hosts. First they extend an invitation for our fine soldiers to visit their country (i..e. 911). Then they go bat-$hit killing crazy when some desecrated Korans are burned by our soldiers when they would have burned the same Korans.

Afghans deserve each other. Lets get out and leave them alone. Of course, if they invite us again, we won't overstay our welcome.

Carpet bombing should be off the list of options.

Not to mention the cost of buying all those carpets to drop. We'd probably have to import them from... IRAN!?!?!

;)

81 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:56:39am

re: #79 Kragar

Pennsylvania Legislators Considering One Of The Most Far-Reaching Ultrasound Bills In The Nation

How far can an ultrasound reach? Surely there is a limit?

82 KettleKat  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:57:27am

re: #81 wrenchwench

How far can an ultrasound reach? Surely there is a limit?

Up to the cervix, I think.

83 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:58:02am

re: #81 wrenchwench

How far can an ultrasound reach? Surely there is a limit?

Farther than a Republican can, that's for sure.

/ducks

84 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:58:07am
85 General Nimrod Bodfish  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 10:59:27am

Helicopters fire on Syrians as siege intensifies, activists say

(CNN) -- Helicopter gunships fired on civilians Wednesday in the besieged neighborhood of Baba Amr as Syria's intensifying campaign triggered fears among residents that a full-fledged ground invasion could be imminent, opposition activists said.

Baba Amr, in the opposition stronghold of Homs, was also under its heaviest shelling yet and ground troops advanced in al Hakura, in the old part of the neighborhood.

While helicopters have flown over the area in previous days, Wednesday marked the first time they fired at people on the ground, opposition activists in Baba Amr said.

86 Simply Sarah  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:01:02am

re: #84 HappyWarrior

More small government huh.

Small enough to fit, well, you know.

87 jaunte  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:01:31am
Stop apologizing and start carpet-bombing. Defeat jihad. What’s it going to take?

Stop apologizing to these savages and start fighting. As an American, I do not apologize. I withdraw Obama’s apology. I withdraw Gen. Allen’s apology. I condemn their apology. I do not submit to a culture that suffocates ideas, critical thinking, women, non-Muslims. I do not apologize that the United States of America is “the greatest, the noblest and, in its original founding principles, the only moral country in the history of the world.

Geller wants us to sacrifice whatever morality we might have to pursue her private revenge fantasy. Sick.

88 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:01:48am

John McCain: "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran".
Pammy and Franky: "Burn, burn, burn Koran".

89 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:02:46am

re: #87 jaunte

Geller wants us to sacrifice whatever morality we might have to pursue her private revenge fantasy. Sick.

Dear Afghanistan:

I apologize on behalf of the United States for Pamela Geller.

Sincerely,
The Dopefish

Now then. When can I wait for her to issue a fatwa on me for pandering to "those savages"?

90 Kragar  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:03:12am

Vaginal Ultrasound Bills A Smokescreen, Say Pro-Choice Groups

Elizabeth Nash, a Public Policy Associate for the Guttmacher Institute, told TPM that there’s “definitely concern” that “the huge outcry around vaginal ultrasound is masking other provisions in the bill that are just as terrible.”

For example, Nash said, Virginia’s bill also mandates that a woman make multiple trips to the doctor before she can get an abortion. The new law requires a 24-hour waiting period after the ultrasound, in addition to the one already mandated by the state before an abortion to begin with. The law also requires that the doctor give a detailed verbal description of the image or show it to the woman. “All of these requirements are pretty awful, and they are getting lost in the shuffle in the outrage over the vaginal ultrasound,” Nash said.

“There is a fear that if you think of [ultrasound bills] as a continuum — that is to offer the woman the ultrasound is one side of it, and the [mandatory] vaginal ultrasound is the other side of it, a plain old ultrasound is in the middle,” she said.

But, Nash said, there was a time a few years ago when a mandated transabdominal ultrasound was not seen in such an agreeable light. When South Carolina was considering this type of legislation, the “people rebelled,” and it was ultimately three years before they could pass anything. In the end, South Carolina wound up with a law that only requires that if the ultrasound is performed as part of the preparation for an abortion, the doctor must offer the woman the chance to look at it.

Nash also pointed out that though there is new attention on the issue of a whether an ultrasound is transvaginal, it’s not necessarily a new consequence of these types of requirements. Oklahoma and North Carolina have both passed laws that amount to the same thing, but both laws are enjoined pending the outcome of court cases looking to overturn them. However, Nash said, Texas has this kind of law already on the books.

“There’s been a lot of movement in what the requirements are for ultrasounds in the past couple years, and now that we’re seeing this recognition that you have to require a vaginal ultrasound, perhaps we’ll step back from that kind of requirement,” she said.

Vicki Saporta, President and CEO of the National Abortion Federation, the professional association of abortion practitioners, agreed that ultimately people are “totally missing the big picture” when it comes to these ultrasound bills. “Really the abdominal versus transvaginal ultrasound issue is a distraction, one that has gotten a lot of publicity. But I think that the bill that was passed in Virginia is every bit as bad as what was being introduced there last week. I don’t think that the few changes they made make it any less burdensome for women seeking abortions.”

“What the public should be uncomfortable about is not the specific kind of ultrasound, but that the government is mandating medical procedures,” she said.

“These bills are forcing doctors to do medically unnecessary procedures, and are totally politically motivated,” Saporta continued. “An ultrasound is not necessary in the first trimester, yet you have many states trying to pass mandatory ultrasound bills in order to make it more difficult for women to access abortions.” Alabama, for example, is one of 11 states that introduced ultrasound bills this year, when in fact they already had an ultrasound law on the books.

“They’re just trying to make it more restrictive,” Saporta said.

91 KettleKat  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:04:23am

re: #84 HappyWarrior

More small government huh.

Just small enough to fit in a uterus.

92 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:06:43am

re: #91 rainkettle

Just small enough to fit in a uterus.

Basically, Norquist's dream.

93 KettleKat  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:07:15am

re: #90 Kragar

I fully support a law requiring all wingnuts seeking Viagra to undergo a medically-unnecessary colostomy first.

94 Kragar  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:07:15am

After Deliberating For Three Minutes, Florida Senate Panel Approves Anti-Sharia Bill

A Florida Senate panel approved a measure to ban the use of Sharia law in the Sunshine State yesterday after deliberating for just three minutes and turning dozens away who sought to give their testimony.

SB 1360, which already passed the Senate Judiciary Committee, was approved by the Criminal and Civil Justice Appropriations Subcommittee on Tuesday by a 5-2 vote. A concurrent anti-Sharia bill in the House was also sent out of committee last week and will be voted receive a floor vote in the next few days.

The proposed legislation, which would ban the use of “foreign law,” is drawing ire not only because it’s been used as a way to attack Muslims in this country, but also because it could have a number of unintended consequences. As the Orlando Sun-Sentinel notes, many Jewish groups are calling the legislation discriminatory against them as well:

95 Kragar  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:08:39am

re: #93 rainkettle

I fully support a law requiring all wingnuts seeking Viagra to undergo a medically-unnecessary colostomy first.

I think a uretha scraping would be more practical.

96 Lidane  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:09:21am
97 KettleKat  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:10:05am

re: #92 Sergey Romanov

Basically, Norquist's dream.

Now I'm going to be plagued by horrifying visions of Norquistian parasites.

Oh, wait.

98 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:10:06am

re: #93 rainkettle

I fully support a law requiring all wingnuts seeking Viagra to undergo a medically-unnecessary colostomy first.

Full cardio workup, including EKG.

99 Kragar  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:10:34am

Illinois GOP Congressional Candidate: ‘The Holocaust Never Happened’


As far as I’m concerned, the Holocaust is nothing more than an international extortion racket by the Jews. It’s the blackest lie in history. Millions of dollars are being made by Jews telling this tale of woe and misfortune in books, movies, plays and TV.

The more survivors, the more lies that are told.

100 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:11:13am

re: #99 Kragar

Pages.

101 KettleKat  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:11:25am

re: #98 Schadenfreude 'r' Us

Full cardio workup, including EKG.

See, that borders on being necessary.

102 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:11:55am

re: #95 Kragar

I think a uretha scraping would be more practical.


TRUS biopsies.

You could actually make a medical case for it too, especially for all this Low-T rubbish and testosterone replacement that pharma is pushing now. Given the prevalence of prostate cancer, replacing testosterone in your fifties is not generally a very smart move.

103 Big Joe  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:12:04am
104 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:12:47am

re: #99 Kragar

Just another Illinois Nazi.

105 Lidane  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:12:57am

re: #99 Kragar

Illinois GOP Congressional Candidate: ‘The Holocaust Never Happened’

This should be an immediate disqualification for office.

106 KettleKat  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:13:24am

re: #99 Kragar

Illinois GOP Congressional Candidate: ‘The Holocaust Never Happened’

The more survivors, the more lies that are told.

Um. He's suggesting what I think he's suggesting, isn't he?

107 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:14:08am

re: #106 rainkettle

Um. He's suggesting what I think he's suggesting, isn't he?

Yes, that all survivors lie.

108 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:14:48am

re: #49 Bulworth

IOW, total and permanent war.

with one-sixth of the world's population at that...

109 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:15:10am

You know, there are religions who honestly don't believe in the concept of 'insurance' at all. They see it as foiling 'providence'. So should we exempt any company owned by those types doesn't have to buy any sort of insurance?

That we should allow people to drive without insurance, if they belong to one of those religions?

110 Lidane  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:17:02am

re: #106 rainkettle

Um. He's suggesting what I think he's suggesting, isn't he?

That the Holocaust was one big Jewish lie? Yes. He is.

The guy is admittedly a Nazi, but he's registered as a Republican. If the Illinois GOP had any common sense or decency, they'd withdraw any and all support they've given his campaign so far and they'd refuse to give him anything further.

111 erik_t  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:17:04am

Elapsed time from whiny email to visit from building maintenance guy: 38 minutes.

I could get used to this commercial-tenant thing.

112 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:19:14am

Sharia law totally forbids abortions. Which would make all that ultrasound nonsense completely superfluous.

113 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:20:51am

re: #110 Lidane

I seriously doubt this guy has received a warm stamp from the Illinois GOP in way of support.

Do you see anything indicating he has had support?

114 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:20:55am

carpet bombing? what a loon. geller needs serious psychological help

115 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:21:38am

re: #99 Kragar

Illinois GOP Congressional Candidate: ‘The Holocaust Never Happened’

He's probably saying this just to get some support from the OWS voters.

116 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:22:22am

re: #113 Obdicut

I'm quite sure he's just a loon from the street. David Duke ran both on D and R tickets. Phelps ran on D ticket, IIRC.

117 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:22:39am

Fun Rick Santorum game over at Foreign Policy

[Link: www.foreignpolicy.com...]

118 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:26:00am

re: #99 Kragar

Illinois GOP Congressional Candidate: ‘The Holocaust Never Happened’

From the state that gave us Lyndon LaRouche. He is still a cult hero among the German Right-Wingers

119 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:26:10am

In fact:

The Vietnam War veteran has been an insurance salesman for the past 25 years, and said he is unfairly being frozen out by the Republican Party due to his past involvement with the American Nazi Party.

120 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:26:38am

do these people remind you of the "Hatfields and the McCoys".

121 Lidane  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:27:46am

re: #113 Obdicut

All I'm saying is that if he's gotten anything at all from the Illinois GOP, they should demand it back. Also, they should speak out against him as a party, saying that the Illinois GOP rejects his ideas, or something. That's all.

122 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:28:42am

re: #119 Sergey Romanov

In fact:

The Illionois GOP should be in a position to do without the support of ex-Nazis.

123 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:29:19am

re: #122 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

The Illionois GOP should be in a position to do without the support of ex-Nazis.

The GOP isn't in any way responsible for him.

124 Aye Pod  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:29:21am

What's the fuss here? Aren't human rights issues normally addressed with carpet bombing?

125 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:31:28am

Nothing says "human rights" quite like cluster bombs. Not as loudly, in any case.

126 CuriousLurker  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:31:50am

re: #112 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Sharia law totally forbids abortions. Which would make all that ultrasound nonsense completely superfluous.

No, actually it doesn't forbid it for the first 120 days, though it's certainly frowned upon unless there's good reason for it. After 120 days it's forbidden unless the life of the mother is in danger.

Going back out now...

127 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:32:37am

re: #126 CuriousLurker

I hoped for your comment! Thanks.

128 Aye Pod  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:32:37am

Pamela Geller, very clearly hopped up on that lethal combination of booze and wingnut ideology.

129 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:33:23am

re: #128 Jimmah

Pamela Geller, very clearly hopped up on that lethal combination of booze and wingnut ideology.

She is looking rather (*ahem*) "used" - isn't she?

130 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:34:54am

re: #124 Jimmah

Remember when we MRE-bombed the Afghans?

131 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:35:00am

i want to carpet bomb geller's apartment with halaal turkey and stuffing

132 Aye Pod  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:37:02am

re: #129 ggt

She is looking rather (*ahem*) "used" - isn't she?

Hate isn't a good look.

133 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:37:05am

Oh, this is cute:

Image: lastmeal.png

134 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:38:09am

re: #126 CuriousLurker

No, actually it doesn't forbid it for the first 120 days, though it's certainly frowned upon unless there's good reason for it. After 120 days it's forbidden unless the life of the mother is in danger.

Going back out now...

You mean Shariah is more liberal than Rick Santorum when it comes to abortion?

135 CuriousLurker  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:39:43am

re: #134 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

You mean Shariah is more liberal than Rick Santorum when it comes to abortion?

Yep. Scary thought, huh? ;)

136 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:40:18am

DNC VIDEO: "The Facts" - The facts on Obama and Israel

Zionist warmonger!

137 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:42:11am

re: #134 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

You mean Shariah is more liberal than Rick Santorum when it comes to abortion?

More liberal than every Republican candidate for the nomination, as well as their national platform.

138 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:42:26am

re: #136 Killgore Trout

DNC VIDEO: "The Facts" - The facts on Obama and Israel

[Embedded content]
Zionist warmonger!

It is an article of faith that Obama is ready to sell out Israel. There is no arguing with facts on this issue.

139 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:44:11am

re: #138 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

It is an article of faith that Obama is ready to sell out Israel. There is no arguing with facts on this issue.

After watching that video a second time I think the GOP should start running it on TV. The liberal base is going to hate that ad.

140 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:45:04am

re: #136 Killgore Trout

Of course, the DNC needs to keep these folks from losing interest in them and staying home in 2008.

I don't think Obama's been terrible for Israel, the way some of my more conservative friends do. I visit Israel once a year (next trip is coming up next month) and am very aware of the situation there. I'm not sure he's been able to help wrt the peace process between Israel and the Palestineans, but then again nobody else has ever made much progress, either!

141 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:45:07am

re: #139 Killgore Trout

After watching that video a second time I think the GOP should start running it on TV. The liberal base is going to hate that ad.

In the right-wing fantasy land where the liberal base is anti-Israel, or something?

142 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:45:36am

re: #136 Killgore Trout

A long-needed ad. I hope Bibi was not taken out of context with some "but" ;)

143 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:45:52am

re: #141 Obdicut

In the right-wing fantasy land where the liberal base is anti-Israel, or something?

another article of faith

144 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:46:37am

re: #139 Killgore Trout

Yes! I made that point in my post, with the reference to the OWS who often end up repeating anti-Semitic rhetoric, or not understanding the need to be careful when talking about "bankers who control the world." (Of course, it's elitist of me to presume it's from ignorance, but I'll get into more trouble here if I suggest it's intentional.)

145 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:48:30am

re: #142 Sergey Romanov

A long-needed ad. I hope Bibi was not taken out of context with some "but" ;)

The MSM is hyping stories about Bibi's intention to pressure Obama on next week's visit. Also stories that Israel isn't going to consult with America before launching a strike. I doubt there's much difference of opinion between the US and Israel, some minor details but probably nothing significant.

146 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:49:59am

re: #144 reuven

On one hand, there is Israel, which is where Armageddon must take place to bring about the Second Coming, and then there are filthy Jewish lieral elite bankers, academics and media puppet-masters.

In the GOPverse, these two exist in separate and mutually exclusive planes and it is possible to embrace the former while still railing against the latter.

147 Interesting Times  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:51:51am

re: #140 reuven

Downding for linking to LRA-defending scumblob Limbaugh. Couldn't you have found a better source?

148 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:51:52am

re: #142 Sergey Romanov

A long-needed ad. I hope Bibi was not taken out of context with some "but" ;)

Nope, he wasn't:

[Link: www.cfr.org...]

149 Alexzander  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:52:00am

re: #139 Killgore Trout

After watching that video a second time I think the GOP should start running it on TV. The liberal base is going to hate that ad.

That's some high quality trolling right there.

150 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:52:06am

re: #146 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Don't forget that the GOP loves hanging "judeo" onto their Evangelical Christian bullshit, too.

151 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:52:40am

re: #147 Interesting Times

And I'll upvote you because I'm a good sport.

152 MtnWoman  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:54:22am

It wasn’t the burning per se that made this such an issue - burning is the proper disposal method. However, it was that it was done disrespectfully - they burned the Quran with the trash.
NPR has an interesting article:
How To Properly Dispose Of Sacred Texts
An Iman from Falls Church, Va said:

"If one said, 'Well, we're burning some Qurans today,' that wouldn't incite riots in Afghanistan," he says. "The problem is when one puts a malicious intent as part of the burning."

Malik says the assumption there is that Americans disrespect Muslims. That's why there would be such a visceral response to burning the Quran, even though a layperson could do so under Muslim law — as long as the intent was respectful.

So this mess could have been avoided if someone with some forethought (considering the riots over that idiot in Flordia) would have sought the advice of a local leader or local Imam.

153 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:54:46am

re: #146 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

On one hand, there is Israel, which is where Armageddon must take place to bring about the Second Coming, and then there are filthy Jewish lieral elite bankers, academics and media puppet-masters.

Jews simply call it "Har Megiddo". It's just a little hill.

Megiddo Junction

154 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:54:52am

re: #150 Obdicut

Don't forget that the GOP loves hanging "judeo" onto their Evangelical Christian bullshit, too.

That's because they secretly prefer the Old Testament to the New.

/

155 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:55:35am

Here's a comment from one of the deep thinkers over at the Wash. Times article:

rhcrest

That would be the day that i apologize to a GD moslem! In fact, I like to personally insult them and their stupid allah and mohammed. If i ever see one sitting in a restaurant next to me, I will order a huge order of ribs or pork and keep saying how good it is really loudly.

The cream of America.

156 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:55:58am

re: #154 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

That's becasue they secretly prefer the Old Testament to the New.

/

Even if that's what they were aiming at, they'd be missing by many miles.

157 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:57:13am

re: #152 MtnWoman

It wasn’t the burning per se that made this such an issue - burning is the proper disposal method. However, it was that it was done disrespectfully - they burned the Quran with the trash.
NPR has an interesting article:
How To Properly Dispose Of Sacred Texts
An Iman from Falls Church, Va said:

So this mess could have been avoided if someone with some forethought (considering the riots over that idiot in Flordia) would have sought the advice of a local leader or local Imam.

This was also instrumentlized by some cynical bastards in Afghanistan who knew this would result in riots and and did not care if it would result in deaths, as long as a few Americans got killed in with the locals.

158 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:58:01am

re: #140 reuven

Of course, the DNC needs to keep these folks from losing interest in them and staying home in 2008.

I don't think Obama's been terrible for Israel, the way some of my more conservative friends do. I visit Israel once a year (next trip is coming up next month) and am very aware of the situation there. I'm not sure he's been able to help wrt the peace process between Israel and the Palestineans, but then again nobody else has ever made much progress, either!

Rush Limbaugh? Really? You get your information about the Occupy movement from a ranting racist nutjob?

I'm not a big supporter of OWS, but the fact is that the right wing united to spread outrageous smears and lies about the protesters, and they're still doing it. Rush Limbaugh is a pig.

159 Aye Pod  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:58:20am

re: #145 Killgore Trout

People are questioning whether an attack on Iran's nuclear installations at this time would do anything more than set Iran's plans back a little, while at the same time galvanising opinion against Israel/the US.

Probably just lefty moonbats who hate Israel though//

160 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:58:40am

re: #150 Obdicut

Don't forget that the GOP loves hanging "judeo" onto their Evangelical Christian bullshit, too.

Yes, and I wince every time I hear it. (For example, do you know that, with a few caveats, abortion is permitted according to the Hebrew Bible and the Oral Law?) See [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] In practice, traditionally observant people avoid it, but won't hesitate for a medical emergency or rape.

In fact, I'm not really sure where the Christian obsession over it comes from.

So your claim that they prefer the "Old Testament" implying that they like the "vengeful" old pre-Jesus G-d is a little shaky.

161 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:58:43am

Google Davy Jones and this is what you get.

162 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:58:48am

re: #155 Amory Blaine

Here's a comment from one of the deep thinkers over at the Wash. Times article:

rhcrest

That would be the day that i apologize to a GD moslem! In fact, I like to personally insult them and their stupid allah and mohammed. If i ever see one sitting in a restaurant next to me, I will order a huge order of ribs or pork and keep saying how good it is really loudly.

The cream of America.

Aren't the christians mad that he hates their god? I MAYBE could understand not caring about their (muslim) prophet, but the shared god?

163 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:59:04am

crap, they found me

[Link: www.koat.com...]

164 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:59:10am

re: #157 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

This was also instrumentlized by some cynical bastards in Afghanistan who knew this would result in riots and and did not care if it would result in deaths, as long as a few Americans got killed in with the locals.

And it wasn't really about the Korans. It was sort of a straw that broke the camel's back. I'm sure quite a lot of grievances, real and imagined, were expressed through those riots.

165 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:01:18pm

re: #162 RayFerd

Aren't the christians mad that he hates their god? I MAYBE could understand not caring about their prophet, but the shared god?

"Dad loves me more!!!!!"

It's sibling rivalry.

166 Aye Pod  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:01:52pm

re: #163 SpaceJesus

crap, they found me

[Link: www.koat.com...]

Christ! That's Charles Manson. DO NOT EAT THAT TORTILLA!

167 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:02:29pm

re: #163 SpaceJesus

crap, they found me

[Link: www.koat.com...]

Hiding out with the Mexican's again?

168 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:03:29pm

re: #163 SpaceJesus

crap, they found me

[Link: www.koat.com...]

lol

"I passed it to my mom and the same response came from her, 'Oh my God.'"

169 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:04:11pm

re: #167 ggt

Hiding out with the Mexican's again?

New Mexicans, please.

170 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:04:36pm

re: #163 SpaceJesus

crap, they found me

[Link: www.koat.com...]

Nah, it's not you. His name is George.

171 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:04:38pm

re: #169 wrenchwench

New Mexicans, please.

ah!

172 Lidane  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:05:25pm

re: #155 Amory Blaine

So in other words, that guy is a loud, obnoxious customer that annoys everyone else in the restaurant.

WTF. Just eat your damn food and STFU. No one cares what you ordered or how you think it tastes.

173 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:05:26pm

re: #159 Jimmah

People are questioning whether an attack on Iran's nuclear installations at this time would do anything more than set Iran's plans back a little, while at the same time galvanising opinion against Israel/the US.

Probably just lefty moonbats who hate Israel though//

Probably.

*nods sagely*

174 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:07:15pm

re: #167 ggt

orale

175 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:08:10pm

re: #174 SpaceJesus

orale

You are forcing me to learn Spanglish aren't you?

176 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:09:41pm

re: #169 wrenchwench

"New Mexico has always been known to have interesting things happen during the Lent time."

177 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:12:59pm

re: #176 SpaceJesus

"New Mexico has always been known to have interesting things happen during the Lent time."

You practice Lent?

What did you give-up?

178 Kragar  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:13:32pm

re: #176 SpaceJesus

"New Mexico has always been known to have interesting things happen during the Lent time."

Burning bushes and pillars of light are old school. All the cool deities are appearing in food nowadays.

179 Kragar  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:14:02pm

re: #177 ggt

You practice Lent?

What did you give-up?

Sacrifice.

180 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:14:06pm

About Iran's nuclear program, I found this report very interesting: U.S. Does Not Believe Iran Is Trying to Build Nuclear Bomb.

Reporting from Washington — As U.S. and Israeli officials talk publicly about the prospect of a military strike against Iran's nuclear program, one fact is often overlooked: U.S. intelligence agencies don't believe Iran is actively trying to build an atomic bomb.

A highly classified U.S. intelligence assessment circulated to policymakers early last year largely affirms that view, originally made in 2007. Both reports, known as national intelligence estimates, conclude that Tehran halted efforts to develop and build a nuclear warhead in 2003.

The most recent report, which represents the consensus of 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, indicates that Iran is pursuing research that could put it in a position to build a weapon, but that it has not sought to do so.

Although Iran continues to enrich uranium at low levels, U.S. officials say they have not seen evidence that has caused them to significantly revise that judgment. Senior U.S. officials say Israel does not dispute the basic intelligence or analysis.

181 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:14:22pm

re: #166 Jimmah

i absolutely love the little box he is keeping it in

182 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:14:38pm

re: #177 ggt

catholicism

183 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:14:59pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

Wow.

184 leftynyc  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:15:06pm

re: #139 Killgore Trout

After watching that video a second time I think the GOP should start running it on TV. The liberal base is going to hate that ad.

I'm part of the liberal base and I have no objection whatsoever.

185 Alexzander  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:15:45pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

About Iran's nuclear program, I found this report very interesting: U.S. Does Not Believe Iran Is Trying to Build Nuclear Bomb.

Excellent link. That's pretty definitive.

186 Kragar  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:16:15pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

I think we all know by now that the GOP isn't in the business of listening to the Expert's consensus on any issue.

187 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:16:21pm

re: #152 MtnWoman

I saw what happened as hare-brained idiocy on behalf of some people associated with the military and did a facepalm. I see no malice in what happened. Only Stupid.

Saudi's destruction of Qurans on the other hand is totally and completely filled with malice.

188 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:16:37pm

re: #184 leftynyc

I'm part of the liberal base and I have no objection whatsoever.

There's this weird made-up fantasy with some people that the liberal base is anti-Israel. Not anti-Likud, or critical of the settlements, or not anti-bombing-Iran, but just flat-out anti-Israel.

People saying it need to ignore how many Jews form a part of the liberal base, but that appears to be easy for them.

189 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:17:04pm

re: #185 PEANUT BUTTER

Excellent link. That's pretty definitive.

Addendum: if the report of the report is true.

190 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:17:13pm

re: #172 Lidane

So in other words, that guy is a loud, obnoxious customer that annoys everyone else in the restaurant.

WTF. Just eat your damn food and STFU. No one cares what you ordered or how you think it tastes.

One is called upon to be loud and obnoxious when it comes to offending Muslims and liberals.

191 leftynyc  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:17:22pm

re: #146 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

On one hand, there is Israel, which is where Armageddon must take place to bring about the Second Coming, and then there are filthy Jewish lieral elite bankers, academics and media puppet-masters.

In the GOPverse, these two exist in separate and mutually exclusive planes and it is possible to embrace the former while still railing against the latter.

It has not gone unnoticed that while so many on the right profress a great love for Israel, they saying nothing about the Jews who live there. They're fooling very, very few of us.

192 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:17:55pm

re: #188 Obdicut

Yep. Right-wing mentality.

193 Aye Pod  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:20:22pm

re: #181 SpaceJesus

i absolutely love the little box he is keeping it in

You could keep an emergency stash of - I dunno - cheesy wotsits? in that box.

194 Alexzander  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:20:25pm

re: #189 Sergey Romanov

Addendum: if the report of the report is true.

2nd Addendum: And it is definitive of the US intelligence complex's opinion, not necessarily of the actual reality in Iran.

195 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:20:25pm

re: #117 SpaceJesus

Otherwise known as $#!^ Santorum says.

196 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:20:51pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

About Iran's nuclear program, I found this report very interesting: U.S. Does Not Believe Iran Is Trying to Build Nuclear Bomb.

That headline is a little misleading.

Albright's group estimates that with the centrifuges Iran already has, it could enrich uranium to sufficient purity to make a bomb in as little as six months, should it decide to do so.

It is not known precisely what other technical hurdles Iran would have to overcome, but Albright and many other experts believe that if it decides to proceed, the country has the scientific knowledge to design and build a crude working bomb in as little as a year. It would take as long as three years, Albright estimated, for Iran to build a warhead small enough to fit on a ballistic missile.

197 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:22:09pm

re: #193 Jimmah

I once saw an image of John Boehner in a cheeto. Orange and everything

198 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:22:47pm

re: #196 Killgore Trout

So, once again, they're a year away from a bomb. Three years from a warhead.

Which is pretty much what I hear every year.

199 zora  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:23:20pm

Gingrich Silent On Bush Apology For 2008 Quran Desecration: ‘I Wasn’t A Presidential Candidate’ Then

When CNN’s Wolf Blitzer asked Gingrich yesterday if that standard also applies to President Bush (Bush issued an apology to Iraq for a similar incident there in 2008), the former House Speaker didn’t have an answer. “I wasn’t a presidential candidate at that point,” was all he could come up with. Blitzer tried one more time:
BLITZER: So I just want to be precise. I can — I totally understand where you’re coming from as far as President Obama is concerned, apologizing now. But with hindsight, was it wrong for President Bush to apologize back in 2008?
GINGRICH: Look, I think we should always have respect for various religious documents. But I would also ask you, Wolf, why was it OK for the U.S. Army to burn bibles? I mean I don’t understand this one-sided nature that is always apologizing for Islam while it is dissing Christianity. And it was the U.S. Army policy to burn bibles in 2009. It wasn’t the Obama administration.
And I am just — I personally am — one of the reasons that I’m running for president is that I’m tired of the elite view in this country, you can do anything you want to to Judaism and Christianity, but you have to apologize for Islam as often as necessary and you can never stand up and just say that’s baloney.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

200 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:23:47pm

re: #196 Killgore Trout

That headline is a little misleading.

Damn, the rest of my comment got eated. Let me try again.
The Iranians aren't assembling a bomb now and nobody is claiming that they are. What they are doing is getting the components ready so they can assemble a bomb in a fairly short period of time once they decide to do so.

201 Aye Pod  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:24:09pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

About Iran's nuclear program, I found this report very interesting: U.S. Does Not Believe Iran Is Trying to Build Nuclear Bomb.

Let's invade/bomb the shit out of Iran anyway. We got nothin to lose but the last vestige of our credibility on the international stage!

202 erik_t  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:24:21pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

Damn, the rest of my comment got eated. Let me try again.
The Iranians aren't assembling a bomb now and nobody is claiming that they are. What they are doing is getting the components ready so they can assemble a bomb in a fairly short period of time once they decide to do so.

'Once'? Your preconceptions are showing.

203 Kragar  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:24:23pm

School Prayer Would Have Prevented Ohio School Shooting

There were never school shootings when prayer was in school. Nothing even remotely like it. But now, for the most part, God has been thrown out of our public schools, and they have had to install the metal detector instead. Even that is not fail-proof ... I find it ironic that yesterday’s shooting would occur in the shadow of the 50th anniversary of the infamous school prayer decision. In June 1962, in Engel v. Vitale, the Supreme Court ruled that schools could not officially participate in prayer.

Specifically, the High Court banned this seemingly innocuous prayer: "Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon Thee, and we beg Thy blessing upon us, our parents, our teachers and our country."

...

As long as our schools don’t have a prayer, I suppose some of them need to have a sign installed out in front: Enter at your own risk.

Asshole

204 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:24:37pm

re: #198 Obdicut

I say, don't touch Iran. I still think the country is listing, we should allow it to go through whatever is about to happen.

205 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:25:24pm
207 Aye Pod  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:25:36pm

re: #202 erik_t

'Once'? Your preconceptions are showing.

I think Ahmedinejad et al would like us to do something very very stupid.

208 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:25:39pm

re: #203 Kragar

How in the flying hell will a prayer prevent a lone nut from going into a school and start shooting exactly?

209 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:25:59pm

re: #203 Kragar

School Prayer Would Have Prevented Ohio School Shooting

Asshole

So he wants theistic shariah in schools?

210 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:26:15pm

re: #207 Jimmah

Us and Iran are in a very high stakes game of Chicken.

211 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:26:40pm

re: #188 Obdicut

There's this weird made-up fantasy with some people that the liberal base is anti-Israel. Not anti-Likud, or critical of the settlements, or not anti-bombing-Iran, but just flat-out anti-Israel.

People saying it need to ignore how many Jews form a part of the liberal base, but that appears to be easy for them.

It's a right wing fantasy that revises history to ignore the fact that the right engaged in much of the vicious anti-semitism we've seen in history and why you see them so desperate to claim the Nazis as people of the left.

212 Kragar  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:27:25pm

re: #208 ProGunLiberal

How in the flying hell will a prayer prevent a lone nut from going into a school and start shooting exactly?

Jesus.

213 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:27:38pm

re: #210 ProGunLiberal

No. In the game of chicken, two people are heading towards each other at high speed, seeing who'll blink first.

Iran isn't capable of threatening the US except by very, very backhanded means-- by supporting terrorists who hit the US.

There's not really any resemblance to 'chicken'.

214 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:28:16pm

re: #207 Jimmah

like most of the middle east, they know they can't beat the US in a war, so they get us to overreact and bankrupt ourselves

215 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:29:00pm

re: #213 Obdicut

Thinking about it, I see your point.

So what would be a better equivalent?

216 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:29:02pm

re: #203 Kragar

upthread somebody posted a link to a list of school shootings throughout history.

This is just another Article of Faith that is simply immune to reasoned argument.

217 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:29:44pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

It's comforting to know that right now there is a network of right wing think tanks developing a plan to discredit this information.

218 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:29:48pm

re: #215 ProGunLiberal

It is what it is. Analogies aren't necessary.

219 Kragar  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:30:20pm

Dinosaurs Mentioned in the Bible and We Now Know the Purpose of Their Existence

The transliterated Hebrew word 'tahneeneem' from which the different definitions are derived has been a problem to the early scholars because the word was of doubtful derivation and an exact meaning could not be applied to it.

Professor Solomon Huriash makes the case and proves that what is being referred to are the dinosaurs of yesteryear. In proving that every verse of the Biblical story of creation is in exact sync with the teachings of modern science, Huriash provides the details that explain the dinosaurs place in the scheme of creation.
...
Modern science teaches that dinosaurs appeared on Earth 340-320 million years ago and were classified as 'giant reptiles.' Although dinosaurs were not amphibians, some species spent a great deal of time in the water and we also learn today that all life originated in the seas and then most adapted to the land. There were 700 different dinosaur species and two of them were winged. Within the last 75 years we learned that birds descended from the saurischians dinosaur winged species.

Thus Genesis 1:21 which starts with the dinosaurs shows the perfect chronological order in which the Bible's creation story was written because birds had not yet evolved into great flying entities until after the time period of the creeping living creatures were a fact of life. Thus science, once considered the opponent of the Bible, is actually is sync and is now the proof the Bible is perfect.

SCIENCE!

220 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:31:06pm

re: #218 Obdicut

But I like analogies. :(

221 leftynyc  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:31:34pm

re: #188 Obdicut

There's this weird made-up fantasy with some people that the liberal base is anti-Israel. Not anti-Likud, or critical of the settlements, or not anti-bombing-Iran, but just flat-out anti-Israel.

People saying it need to ignore how many Jews form a part of the liberal base, but that appears to be easy for them.

It does appear that every 4 years they express shock that the large majority of American Jews vote Democratic. They never seem to learn their lesson.

222 Kragar  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:31:57pm

re: #220 ProGunLiberal

But I like analogies. :(

So do I... Oops, misread that.

223 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:32:49pm

re: #219 Kragar

I think this is a very old hypothesis.

224 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:34:14pm

re: #221 leftynyc

It does appear that every 4 years they express shock that the large majority of American Jews vote Democratic. They never seem to learn their lesson.

And then they make some outrageous claim about American Jews. I am not Jewish but if I were, the condescending attitude that these types have to the Jewish people would anger me and honestly it already does because I see the support for Israel they have as being shallow and not based off of any real appreciation for what Israel means as an ally.

225 AK-47%  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:34:31pm

re: #219 Kragar

It indicates that there is nothing in science that is incompatible with a belief in Creation if you do not take it literally.

But if you insist on taking it literally, then you must reject science, and with it objective reality, observation and logic.

226 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:36:09pm

Here:

[Link: www.answersingenesis.org...]

In Genesis 1:21, the Bible says: ‘And God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the
waters swarmed, after their kind.’ The Hebrew word here for ‘sea monsters’ (‘whales’ in KJV) is the word translated elsewhere
as ‘dragon’ (Hebrew: tannin). So, in the fi rst chapter of the fi rst book of the Bible, God may be describing the great sea dragons
(sea-dwelling dinosaur-type animals) He created.
There are other Bible passages about dragons that lived in the sea: ‘the dragons in the waters’ (Psalm 74:13), ‘and he shall slay
the dragon that is in the sea’ (Isa. 27:1). Though the word ‘dino saur’ strictly refers to animals that lived on the land, the sea
reptiles and fl ying reptiles are often grouped with the dinosaurs. The sea-dragons could have included dinosaur-type animals
such as the Mosasaurus.21
Job 41 describes a great animal that lived in the sea, Leviathan, that even breathed fi re. This ‘dragon’ may have been something
like the mighty 55-foot (17 m) long Kronosaurus,22 or the 82-foot (25 m) long Liopleurodon.
There is also mention of a fl ying serpent in the Bible: the ‘fi ery fl ying serpent’ (Isa. 30:6). This could be a reference to one of the
pterodactyls, which are popularly thought of as fl ying dinosaurs, such as the Pteranodon, Rhamphorhynchus or Ornithocheirus.23

I don't know why that item is even news. It's an ancient chestnut.

227 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:37:02pm

IAEA worried about "activities" at Iran site

The report said the IAEA had information that Iran had built a large containment chamber there to conduct high-explosives tests which, it said, were "strong indicators of possible weapon development."

Another diplomat present at the briefing in Vienna quoted Nackaerts as saying there "may be some ongoing activities at Parchin which add urgency to why we want to go".

Nackaerts was reportedly asked by one of the diplomats present whether Iran might be trying to clean the Parchin site.

Nothing to worry about I'm sure they'll allow inspectors to visit the site.
/

228 erik_t  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:38:23pm

re: #227 Killgore Trout

You sound concerned.

229 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:38:36pm

re: #139 Killgore Trout

After watching that video a second time I think the GOP should start running it on TV. The liberal base is going to hate that ad.

Uh...No we don't.

230 Digital Display  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:38:50pm

re: #220 ProGunLiberal

But I like analogies. :(

Just an FYI
Over at the Dems main HQ on Main Street there will be a cornbread and beans lunch this Friday March 2nd. The speaker will be Paula Roberts running in District 45. I'm going to try to make it.

231 leftynyc  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:40:10pm

re: #224 HappyWarrior

And then they make some outrageous claim about American Jews. I am not Jewish but if I were, the condescending attitude that these types have to the Jewish people would anger me and honestly it already does because I see the support for Israel they have as being shallow and not based off of any real appreciation for what Israel means as an ally.

That's cuz you deal with reality. I am Jewish and I laugh at them thinking they're fooling anyone but the brain dead right. As I stated upthread, we know the difference between a love for the land of Israel and a love for the Jews.

232 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:40:41pm

re: #229 Decatur Deb

Uh...No we don't.

Yes you do, OWSnik.

233 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:40:54pm
234 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:41:57pm

re: #152 MtnWoman

It wasn’t the burning per se that made this such an issue - burning is the proper disposal method. However, it was that it was done disrespectfully - they burned the Quran with the trash.
NPR has an interesting article:
How To Properly Dispose Of Sacred Texts
An Iman from Falls Church, Va said:

So this mess could have been avoided if someone with some forethought (considering the riots over that idiot in Flordia) would have sought the advice of a local leader or local Imam.

No need for locals--the Army has its own Muslim chaplains and advisors.

235 Interesting Times  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:42:01pm

re: #233 ggt

Caption Please.

HALP!! Pls dont let Grover Norquist mistake me for govt!!!

236 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:43:00pm

re: #233 ggt

Caption Please.

OMG! It's full of stars!

237 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:44:31pm

re: #236 Sergey Romanov

OMG! It's full of stars!

Stop the contest, we have a winner!

//

238 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:46:03pm

Press TVAmericans 'not afraid of AIPAC'

Despite the notion that American people may fear to oppose policies of the Israeli lobby in the U.S., a group of U.S. citizens are planning a demonstration against the powerful AIPAC lobby, says Medea Benjamin, Washington D.C.-based co-founder of both CODEPINK and the international human rights organization Global Exchange.

Occupy AIPAC is to be held in Washington D.C. in May to oppose the American Israel Public Affairs Committee known as AIPAC, which is expected to meet there at the time.

The reasoning behind organizing such a gathering is to show that “there are Americans who are not afraid of AIPAC,” Benjamin told Press TV’s U.S. Desk on Wednesday.

There are many people in the U.S. who feel AIPAC’s policies are “very dangerous,” she added. Thousands of Americans are expected to join the demonstration.

239 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:47:04pm

re: #238 Killgore Trout

Nice source!/

240 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:47:17pm

Not afraid of the Big Bad Wolf?

Neither am I.

Have a great afternoon all?

241 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:47:47pm

re: #239 Sergey Romanov

Nice source!/

Indeed.

243 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:55:36pm

re: #242 engineer cat

iran has been six months to a year away from building a nuclear weapon for at least six years now

That's about one year for every "Number 2 Al Quaeda" leader that's been smoked.

244 Mocking Jay  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 12:58:19pm

re: #242 engineer cat

They're like a skipping record.

245 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 1:00:51pm

re: #219 Kragar

Dinosaurs Mentioned in the Bible and We Now Know the Purpose of Their Existence

SCIENCE!

No No No. Those bones were put there by Satan to confuse us... or maybe by God to test our faith... or... or... um I like Pizza!

246 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 1:02:29pm

re: #233 ggt

Caption Please.

I HAVE JUST BEEN VIOLATED!!

247 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 1:04:45pm

re: #242 engineer cat

iran has been six months to a year away from building a nuclear weapon for at least six years now

Aren't you supposed to be afraidveryafraid like right now?

248 Kragar  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 1:07:22pm

re: #233 ggt

Caption Please.

"$300 for 30 minutes, no kissing."

249 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 1:14:00pm

re: #248 Kragar

"$300 for 30 minutes, no kissing."

"Me so horny...me love you long time!"

250 leftynyc  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 1:19:14pm

re: #238 Killgore Trout


LOL - now you've moved on to Code Pink? If the Jews haven't been fooled by the right wing yet, what makes you think you have the chops to do it?

251 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 1:20:36pm

re: #219 Kragar

Dinosaurs Mentioned in the Bible and We Now Know the Purpose of Their Existence

SCIENCE!

This is kind of weird. They accept, it seems, the recognized ages and use the word "evolved", but then they go and reinterpret it all into some kind of child's cartoon story.

252 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 1:25:02pm

re: #208 ProGunLiberal

How in the flying hell will a prayer prevent a lone nut from going into a school and start shooting exactly?

Sure as fuck didn't stop their gun nut from killing a doctor in a church.

253 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 1:31:11pm

re: #203 Kragar

School Prayer Would Have Prevented Ohio School Shooting

Asshole

So he's calling for the construction of more Madrassas, then?

255 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 1:47:19pm

re: #242 engineer cat

iran has been six months to a year away from building a nuclear weapon for at least six years now

"We'll save the world but you have to [elect us/bomb/invade/sanction] now to stop it before it's too late!!!"

256 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 2:39:11pm

re: #17 Obdicut

Did you see that in their fight against contraception, the GOP invited a Muslim dude to say that enforcing contraception coverage would violate Sharia?

Politics, as they say, makes strange bedfellows.

257 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 3:32:54pm

re: #206 erik_t

To reiterate, there was no violence in schools before the abolition of in-school prayer.

Derp.

People pick correlations out of their asses.

258 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 4:48:24pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

I worry about Sharia so much that I have a 12 pack of Sierra Nevada and ham in the fridge.

Interesting. I'm sipping on plum brandy and am roasting a picnic ham as I type.

259 Flavia  Wed, Feb 29, 2012 6:53:08pm

re: #72 samuraishake

Just to piss her off even more, Obama should apologize to the world every time she publishes an article.

I could only upding it once, so I'm re-posting it.

But, as to the original cause for her outrage (rolling eyes), just because the response to this accident (& I would like to believe it was an accident, even if the Afghans would have burnt the books themselves) was disgustingly disproportionate, we still did something wrong, & mere politeness & common decency demand an apology! If we're supposed to be so superior, why are we not supposed to act like it?!

260 CriticalDragon1177  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 2:33:59pm

Charles Johnson,

I saw this story Mirrored over at Loon Watch. I made a suggestion to them that maybe one of these days they should interview you. Would like that?


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