Law Student Sandra Fluke Responds to Limbaugh’s Crude Attacks

“This language is an attack on all women”
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Georgetown law student Sandra Fluke, who testified at a hearing about women’s health and contraception and was then viciously attacked by Rush Limbaugh in base misogynistic terms, has issued a statement.

“I thank the thousands of women and men, including members of Congress, Georgetown University students and faculty, and total strangers of all political stripes across the country who have offered kind words and support following recent egregious personal attacks.

“We are fortunate to live in a democracy where everyone is entitled to their own opinions regarding legitimate policy differences.� Unfortunately, numerous commentators have gone far beyond the acceptable bounds of civil discourse.

“No woman deserves to be disrespected in this manner. This language is an attack on all women, and has been used throughout history to silence our voices.

“The millions of American women who have and will continue to speak out in support of women’s health care and access to contraception prove that we will not be silenced.”

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1 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:32:04pm

I expect the wingnuts to take this under careful consideration and revise their previous statements continue to make crude statements, misrepresent the argument and look like total assholes the whole time.

2 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:33:48pm

re: #1 Kragar

I expect the wingnuts to take this under careful consideration and revise their previous statements continue to make crude statements, misrepresent the argument and look like total assholes the whole time.

I expect them to just keep on keeping on, screaming "slut!" and arguing that the only birth control is condoms and $3000 in 3 years is a lot of condoms, even though that bears absolutely no resemblance to her testimony at all.

3 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:34:08pm

Get ready for all your personal stuff to be dug through by complete assholes, Sandra Fluke.

4 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:34:41pm

I wish I could be shocked that Ms. Fluke has been attacked but then I remember the attacks on the boy who dared to support SCHIP.

5 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:34:48pm

re: #2 Targetpractice

I expect them to just keep on keeping on, screaming "slut!" and arguing that the only birth control is condoms an aspirin between the knees and $3000 in 3 years is a lot of condoms aspirin, even though that bears absolutely no resemblance to her testimony at all.

ftfy

6 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:35:06pm

re: #2 Targetpractice

I expect them to just keep on keeping on, screaming "slut!" and arguing that the only birth control is condoms and $3000 in 3 years is a lot of condoms, even though that bears absolutely no resemblance to her testimony at all.

"SHE KEEPS TALKING ABOUT SEX!" even though she made no mention of sex.

7 mikec6666  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:38:25pm

If that was my daughter i would give her a kiss on the cheek and then I'd pound fat boy.

8 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:39:00pm

Where oh where are we going to find an internet vigilante brave enough to find videos of this girl, deceptively edit them, then release them to the public in an effort to smear her as something?

9 nines09  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:39:37pm

I knew Rush was a total jerkoff, but he outdid himself here. Maybe the stink will stick this time and take this pile of dung down. Voice of the GOP,eh? Can you hear me now?

10 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:40:10pm

re: #8 SpaceJesus

Somewhere, O'Keefe wakes up out of a Nyquil stupor.

11 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:40:35pm

re: #10 Obdicut

Somewhere, O'Keefe wakes up out of a Nyquil stupor.

He's ready for his close up, Mr. DeMille.

12 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:41:41pm

re: #8 SpaceJesus

Where oh where are we going to find an internet vigilante brave enough to find videos of this girl, deceptively edit them, then release them to the public in an effort to smear her as something?

13 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:42:08pm

re: #9 Big Eyed Bean From Venus

I knew Rush was a total jerkoff, but he outdid himself here. Maybe the stink will stick this time and take this pile of dung down. Voice of the GOP,eh? Can you hear me now?

Eh Limbaugh constantly outdos himself. Remember even in the 90's when he was supposedly more sane he called a teenage girl a dog just because that girl's parents are Bill and Hillary Clinton. Chelsea of course has become an attractive woman and I am sure I don't need to point out the irony in a troll like Limbaugh attacking someone's looks is.

14 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:42:19pm

re: #10 Obdicut

Somewhere, O'Keefe wakes up out of a Nyquil stupor.

He's currently wondering how he is going to pay his legal bills with his sugardaddy gone.

15 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:47:25pm

Sandra Fluke did nothing that would even remotely warrant this type of despicable and outrageous response from this vile piece of human trash, Rush Limbaugh. Anyone, and I mean anyone can't come to the defense of such rhetoric. There is absolutely no reason for this verbal assault against Ms. Fluke and the women of Georgetown University. Mr. Limbaugh is clearly a mentally deranged person and anyone that agrees with him is also suffering from some type of moral and mental deviancy.

16 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:47:47pm

I've been trying to avoid this stuff but I think Matt Taibbi wins the crass partisan hatred award of the day: Andrew Breitbart: Death of a Douche

17 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:48:50pm

re: #16 Killgore Trout

I've been trying to avoid this stuff but I think Matt Taibbi wins the crass partisan hatred award of the day: Andrew Breitbart: Death of a Douche

Partisan?

18 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:48:59pm

Luckily we can count on FoxNation to support Ms. Fluke's statement and...

oh dear

2nd77thdautieng 36 minutes ago

If this girl can't make her men buy the condoms all I can say is she must be one major league dog !
...
2fortea 49 minutes ago

As a woman and a "feminist" I am very disappointed that ANY woman would turn "control" of her body over to another. A "college student" going to a prestige law school should NOT be "entitled" to the fruits of a ditch digger's labor!

Be a GROWN UP! PAY FOR YOUR OWN BIRTH CONTROL IF YOU WANT TO HAVE S E X.

She was APPALLING - a SUPPOSED ADULT - sitting there WHINING about how she needs someone else to PAY so SHE can INDULGE in S E X.

YOU HAVE NOT COME A LONG WAY BABY! YOU HAVE SET US BACK DECADES!

BE the strong and independent and self-reliant woman. Give up a latte and OTHER "unnecessaries". Birth control pills are $9 (an someone else said $5) at WalMart. THAT is PENNIES A DAY!

19 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:49:26pm

re: #3 Obdicut

Get ready for all your personal stuff to be dug through by complete assholes, Sandra Fluke.

Hopefully she won't be physically stalked like that kid on SCHIP

But she probably will. Oh well!

20 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:50:39pm

re: #18 Kragar

Luckily we can count on FoxNation to support Ms. Fluke's statement and...

oh dear

2nd77thdautieng 36 minutes ago

If this girl can't make her men buy the condoms all I can say is she must be one major league dog !
...
2fortea 49 minutes ago

As a woman and a "feminist" I am very disappointed that ANY woman would turn "control" of her body over to another. A "college student" going to a prestige law school should NOT be "entitled" to the fruits of a ditch digger's labor!

Be a GROWN UP! PAY FOR YOUR OWN BIRTH CONTROL IF YOU WANT TO HAVE S E X.

She was APPALLING - a SUPPOSED ADULT - sitting there WHINING about how she needs someone else to PAY so SHE can INDULGE in S E X.

YOU HAVE NOT COME A LONG WAY BABY! YOU HAVE SET US BACK DECADES!

BE the strong and independent and self-reliant woman. Give up a latte and OTHER "unnecessaries". Birth control pills are $9 (an someone else said $5) at WalMart. THAT is PENNIES A DAY!

Do these jackals know anything about why Ms. Fluke wanted to testify? Her friend lost an ovary due to policies that they want in place. Fucking bastards.

21 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:50:50pm

re: #16 Killgore Trout

I agree with every word

22 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:51:10pm

re: #19 windupbird is in the gravity well

God forbid there's some revealing picture of her out there for these assholes to salivate over.

23 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:51:17pm

re: #18 Kragar

Luckily we can count on FoxNation to support Ms. Fluke's statement and...

oh dear

2nd77thdautieng 36 minutes ago

If this girl can't make her men buy the condoms all I can say is she must be one major league dog !
...
2fortea 49 minutes ago

As a woman and a "feminist" I am very disappointed that ANY woman would turn "control" of her body over to another. A "college student" going to a prestige law school should NOT be "entitled" to the fruits of a ditch digger's labor!

Be a GROWN UP! PAY FOR YOUR OWN BIRTH CONTROL IF YOU WANT TO HAVE S E X.

She was APPALLING - a SUPPOSED ADULT - sitting there WHINING about how she needs someone else to PAY so SHE can INDULGE in S E X.

YOU HAVE NOT COME A LONG WAY BABY! YOU HAVE SET US BACK DECADES!

BE the strong and independent and self-reliant woman. Give up a latte and OTHER "unnecessaries". Birth control pills are $9 (an someone else said $5) at WalMart. THAT is PENNIES A DAY!

Oh jeez. What a dick. 2nd77thdautieng = 2nd Battalion - 77th Field Artillery Regiment - 77th Artillery Association

24 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:52:18pm

re: #16 Killgore Trout

I've been trying to avoid this stuff but I think Matt Taibbi wins the crass partisan hatred award of the day: Andrew Breitbart: Death of a Douche

maybe you would think differently if you weren't a privileged white guy

ACORN matters, but not to you

25 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:52:34pm

Do wingnuts even realize that "The Pill" was actually developed to treat medical issues entirely unrelated to "having sex"?

You know, just like, "viagra"

26 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:52:36pm

re: #23 Gus

Oh jeez. What a dick. 2nd77thdautieng = 2nd Battalion - 77th Field Artillery Regiment - 77th Artillery Association

And Dau Tieng is in Vietnam. Some Freeper loser.

27 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:53:30pm

re: #21 windupbird is in the gravity well

actually, he sorta softens it, I would actually go further

28 nines09  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:53:58pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

Eh Limbaugh constantly outdos himself. Remember even in the 90's when he was supposedly more sane he called a teenage girl a dog just because that girl's parents are Bill and Hillary Clinton. Chelsea of course has become an attractive woman and I am sure I don't need to point out the irony in a troll like Limbaugh attacking someone's looks is.

Oh I remember all his projectile vomiting. He's beyond redemption and must really hate himself. He's a Ugly Dwarf.

29 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:54:02pm

re: #25 Learned Mother of Zion

Do wingnuts even realize that "The Pill" was actually developed to treat medical issues entirely unrelated to "having sex"?

You know, just like, "viagra"

don't use this argument, it's legitimizing right wing arguments shaming women for having sex

30 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:54:40pm

re: #16 Killgore Trout

I've been trying to avoid this stuff but I think Matt Taibbi wins the crass partisan hatred award of the day: Andrew Breitbart: Death of a Douche

Breitbart wasn't a douche? Hell, the man practically reveled in being one. It was his ticket to stardom.

31 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:55:34pm

re: #28 Big Eyed Bean From Venus

Oh I remember all his projectile vomiting. He's beyond redemption and must really hate himself. He's a Ugly Dwarf.

Don't insult short people and aesthetically challenged people.

32 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:56:59pm

Sherrod's statement amazed me. That's more than I could to someone who set out to ruin my livelihood.

33 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:57:53pm

re: #29 windupbird is in the gravity well

don't use this argument, it's legitimizing right wing arguments shaming women for having sex

My mother made me get a prescription for "The Pill" back in the '60's to "regulate my periods" but really because she thought I was having sex when I totally wasn't.

I didn't even tell anyone that I was taking medication to "regulate my periods" because it would be like telling people that I took medication for asthma.

34 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:58:09pm

re: #16 Killgore Trout

I've been trying to avoid this stuff but I think Matt Taibbi wins the crass partisan hatred award of the day: Andrew Breitbart: Death of a Douche

I have to agree with Matt, one should not act as though they're saddened by the death of someone who they reviled. I don't agree with his sentiments past that, but I respect that he's remaining true to himself.

35 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:58:22pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

Sherrod's statement amazed me. That's more than I could to someone who set out to ruin my livelihood.

Pure class.

36 nines09  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:58:33pm

re: #31 Learned Mother of Zion

Don't insult short people and aesthetically challenged people.

How about despicable toad? Better?

37 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:58:57pm

Democrats urge Boehner to "repudiate" comments by Limbaugh on contraception testimony

A group of Democratic members of Congress are continuing the political war over contraception and the latest move puts House Speaker John Boehner on the spot. Seventy-five lawmakers are urging the speaker to "repudiate" comments made by conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh.

The Democrats signed a letter to the speaker over comments Limbaugh made on his show on Wednesday calling a Georgetown University law student and women's health advocate a "prostitute" and a "slut" after her testimony before a mock Congressional hearing on birth control coverage.

Using the airwaves to launch a "direct attack on a private citizen is unacceptable," New York Rep. Louise Slaughter wrote to Speaker Boehner. "Mr. Limbaugh repeatedly used sexually charged, patently offensive, and obscene language to malign the character of this courageous young woman who has chosen to be the voice for many of her peers," the letter said.

Boehner's spokesperson declined to comment on on the letter.

Speaker of the House John Boehner, personal bitch to Rush Limbaugh.

38 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:59:06pm

re: #35 Learned Mother of Zion

Pure class.

Yeah, I know.

39 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 3:59:17pm

re: #36 Big Eyed Bean From Venus

How about despicable toad? Better?

WHY U HATE TOAD?!

40 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:00:06pm

re: #37 Kragar

Democrats urge Boehner to "repudiate" comments by Limbaugh on contraception testimony

Speaker of the House John Boehner, personal bitch to Rush Limbaugh.

Boehner will try to weasel out of it. Always does because he's more afraid of hurting Rush's feelings more than actually serving the American people.

41 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:00:20pm

re: #36 Big Eyed Bean From Venus

How about despicable toad? Better?

That's insult to toads. They are living creatures, G-D's creations.

Maybe you can compare Rush to that garbage island in the Pacific, made up of non-biodegradable trash.

42 nines09  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:00:39pm

re: #39 Kragar

WHY U HATE TOAD?!

Slimy stinking stain on the road of life?

43 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:01:06pm

re: #37 Kragar

Democrats urge Boehner to "repudiate" comments by Limbaugh on contraception testimony

Speaker of the House John Boehner, personal bitch to Rush Limbaugh.

Boehner's not gonna do it. Last thing he wants to do in an election year is piss off Limbaugh, especially when Cantor's looking for any weakness to depose him.

44 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:01:41pm

re: #37 Kragar

Democrats urge Boehner to "repudiate" comments by Limbaugh on contraception testimony

Speaker of the House John Boehner, personal bitch to Rush Limbaugh.

Won't happen. Boehner and the rest of them will "conserve" their beliefs. Heck, they likely agree with Limbaugh.

45 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:02:00pm

re: #41 Learned Mother of Zion

That's insult to toads. They are living creatures, G-D's creations.

Maybe you can compare Rush to that garbage island in the Pacific, made up of non-biodegradable trash.

I'm pretty sure Rush is biodegradable. Someday we'll find out.

46 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:03:40pm

Boehner being shown his place by Rush's staff

47 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:04:23pm

Well said, Ms Fluke.

48 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:04:36pm

re: #21 windupbird is in the gravity well

If you agree with him, why did you down ding KT?

49 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:06:15pm

re: #46 Kragar

Boehner being shown his place by Rush's staff

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Funny I was thinking of Rush as Mr. Garrison and Boehner as Mr. Slave but I see we both were on a Parker/Stone wavelength here.

50 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:07:07pm

Wingnut fight.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Crane released this written statement:

“Charles G. Koch has filed a lawsuit as part of an effort to gain control of the Cato Institute, which he co-founded with me in 1977. While Mr. Koch and entities controlled by him have supported the Cato Institute financially since that time, Mr. Koch and his affiliates have exercised no significant influence over the direction or management of the Cato Institute, or the work done here.

“Mr. Koch’s actions in Kansas court yesterday represent an effort by him to transform Cato from an independent, nonpartisan research organization into a political entity that might better support his partisan agenda. We view Mr. Koch’s actions as an attempt at a hostile takeover, and intend to fight it vehemently in order to continue as an independent research organization, advocating for Individual liberty, limited government, free markets and peace.”

51 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:09:20pm

re: #50 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

Wingnut fight.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Oh this is good.

52 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:09:38pm

re: #50 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

Wingnut fight.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

There's a ray of sunshine.

Sadly, the most likely result is that rich lawyers will get richer.

53 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:10:06pm

Over at FoxNation


goodbyeobama 1 hour ago

We could use another 1,000 Limbaugh's too !!

Tiger_Williams 0 minutes ago in reply to goodbyeobama

Dominican pool boys disagree with you.

54 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:14:17pm

re: #53 Kragar

Over at FoxNation

goodbyeobama 1 hour ago

We could use another 1,000 Limbaugh's too !!

Tiger_Williams 0 minutes ago in reply to goodbyeobama

Dominican pool boys disagree with you.

Huh aI don't get the Dominican pool boy ref.

55 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:14:46pm
independent, nonpartisan research organization

They've apparently discovered meanings for this words I hadn't considered before.

into a political entity

What? It wasn't a political entity before? You could have fooled me.

56 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:17:13pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

Huh aI don't get the Dominican pool boy ref.

Rush Limbaugh's Dominican Stag Party
29 Viagra pills, two "24" producers among radio star's all-male crew

57 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:18:15pm

re: #56 Gus

Rush Limbaugh's Dominican Stag Party
29 Viagra pills, two "24" producers among radio star's all-male crew

Ah I see. That's a ton of Viagra.

58 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:26:32pm

James O'Keefe ‏ @JamesOKeefeIII Ответить Ретвитнуть В избранное · Открыть
Filed defamation suit in NJ superior court today against Keith Olbermann, David Shuster and Al Gore's Current TV. @AndrewBreitbart

59 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:27:36pm

re: #58 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

James O'Keefe ‏ @JamesOKeefeIII Ответить Ретвитнуть В избранное · Открыть
Filed defamation suit in NJ superior court today against Keith Olbermann, David Shuster and Al Gore's Current TV. @AndrewBreitbart

Talk about walking into the lion's den.

60 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:28:35pm

re: #59 Targetpractice

Not sure what this is about, but I see Shuster apologizing on twitter for calling JO'Kee a convicted felon.

61 Amory Blaine  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:29:28pm

It should be aspiring felon?

62 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:31:28pm

re: #61 Amory Blaine

It should be aspiring felon?

Aspirin felon.

63 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:31:29pm

Bomb squad at Limbaugh's house. Suspicious package. Probably nothing.

64 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:33:36pm

re: #63 Gus

Bomb squad at Limbaugh's house. Suspicious package. Probably nothing.

65 Amory Blaine  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:34:40pm

re: #63 Gus

Bomb squad at Limbaugh's house. Suspicious package. Probably nothing.

Basket of vegetables?

66 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:35:07pm

re: #60 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

Not sure what this is about, but I see Shuster apologizing on twitter for calling JO'Kee a convicted felon.

Apparently Olbermann got stupid and accused him of being a convicted felon and rapist, though in reality O'Keefe plead down to a misdemeanor in the one case and was never accused of rape in the other but rather harassment.

Quite honestly don't know what compelled them to let this go to court, as the last thing they'd want to do is give O'Keefe an even bigger platform as well as right of discovery. Maybe they hoped that they could bury him in legal paperwork and/or bleed him in dry in legal fees.

67 JamesWI  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:35:13pm

The best part about the Arpaio hilarity . . . This groundbreaking report, showing all this evidence of some conspiracy to fabricate documents and commit fraud . . . is ten pages long.

I think some people here have had "LGF Page" entries longer than his report.

68 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:35:32pm

re: #65 Amory Blaine

Basket of vegetables?

Probably his shipment of Oxycontin and Viagra.

69 Amory Blaine  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:36:11pm

re: #68 Gus

No no. He would know what they look like. ;)

70 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:36:43pm

re: #67 JamesWI

The best part about the Arpaio hilarity . . . This groundbreaking report, showing all this evidence of some conspiracy to fabricate documents and commit fraud . . . is ten pages long.

I think some people here have had "LGF Page" entries longer than his report.

16 pt font, no doubt.

71 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:37:30pm

re: #70 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

16 pt font, no doubt.

Comic Sans

72 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:37:40pm

re: #71 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

Comic Sans

THE FIEND!

73 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:38:04pm

re: #71 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

Comic Sans

And wides margins.

74 Tigger2005  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:38:08pm

A well-worded and principled response, Ms. Fluke.

Now sue.

75 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:41:53pm

re: #50 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

Wingnut fight.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Don't fight the Koch brothers. They will crush you like a bug.

76 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:43:06pm

Limbaugh top story on google news. Please please a step too far.

77 Amory Blaine  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:43:21pm

Wingnut Tears.

Image: Mmm.jpg

78 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:44:37pm

re: #74 Tigger2005

A well-worded and principled response, Ms. Fluke.

Now sue.

Suing Rush would be an exercise in futility. He'd play the same game Breitbart was in the Sherrod case, filing motion after motion to drag things out, with the intention of sucking all the fight out of Fluke's case, then being "kind" enough to negotiate a settlement with her that covered her legal fees and perhaps a little left to buy a nice dress.

79 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:46:05pm

Speaking of druggies. Here's something from Pat Dollard:

More On Breitbart’s Mysterious Death: Walking Alone By House In Dead Of Night, Family Doesn’t Know Exactly Where, Collapses, “It Looks Like A Heart Attack, But No One Knows” – With Video Of Heart Attack-Inducing Gun

They're starting to sound like Hugo Chavez.

80 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:46:55pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

They get discovery too.

81 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:47:55pm

re: #80 Obdicut

They get discovery too.

True, but why give O'Keefe that sort of attention when they could have simply made a quiet apology and called it even?

82 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:48:21pm

re: #79 Gus

Speaking of druggies. Here's something from Pat Dollard:

They're starting to sound like Hugo Chavez.

For the brave you can find the link here. Read the comments.

There sure are a lot of crazy people out there.

83 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:48:42pm

re: #79 Gus

Speaking of druggies. Here's something from Pat Dollard:

They're starting to sound like Hugo Chavez.

The heck do they know.

*puts umbrella in the corner*

84 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:49:49pm

re: #81 Targetpractice

Oh, I think they should have apologized. I dunno. Maybe they'll bring up times that he's accused people of stuff in the same manner, and countersue. Who knows.

Olbermann vs. O'Keefe to me is the fight of the sanctimonious dude who I think is in love with himself with the conniving little shitshow who I think is in love with himself. I can't really root for anything other than a lot of dirty laundry being exposed.

85 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:50:25pm

re: #78 Targetpractice

Suing Rush would be an exercise in futility. He'd play the same game Breitbart was in the Sherrod case, filing motion after motion to drag things out, with the intention of sucking all the fight out of Fluke's case, then being "kind" enough to negotiate a settlement with her that covered her legal fees and perhaps a little left to buy a nice dress.

The answer isn't to sue, the answer is to make sure Limbaugh is seen as the official spokesman of the GOP :D

You don't fight his comments, you make them work for us!

86 JamesWI  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:50:45pm

re: #79 Gus

Speaking of druggies. Here's something from Pat Dollard:

They're starting to sound like Hugo Chavez.

I prefer the standard-issue aneurysm-causing gun, myself. You know, the one all liberals get in the mail to take out conservatives.

87 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:51:00pm

re: #79 Gus

Speaking of druggies. Here's something from Pat Dollard:

They're starting to sound like Hugo Chavez.

Thankfully, only one wingnut I've spoken with so far has done the "wink wink, nudge nudge" on Andy's death. Seems there are some who simply cannot get past their all-encompassing hatred of liberals to believe that he could have died of natural causes.

88 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:53:21pm

re: #84 Obdicut

Oh, I think they should have apologized. I dunno. Maybe they'll bring up times that he's accused people of stuff in the same manner, and countersue. Who knows.

Olbermann vs. O'Keefe to me is the fight of the sanctimonious dude who I think is in love with himself with the conniving little shitshow who I think is in love with himself. I can't really root for anything other than a lot of dirty laundry being exposed.

I've no love for either side, so I'm just keeping the popcorn handy. The airing of dirty laundry on both sides should be good for a laugh.

89 jaunte  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:54:18pm

re: #82 Gus

For the brave you can find the link here. Read the comments.

There sure are a lot of crazy people out there.

Roxanna:
"Simply heart breaking. Just before he was going to drop the bonb of truth about Obama... Makes me pray extra hard for the safety of Sheriff Joe, too."

90 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:55:36pm

re: #89 jaunte

Roxanna:
"Simply heart breaking. Just before he was going to drop the bonb of truth about Obama... Makes me pray extra hard for the safety of Sheriff Joe, too."

...

Rest in Peace Andrew. I hope your killer burns in hell....

and

He was 'Vince Fostered'...I hope his family has security and that all video proofs are also protected. These are the people who burn down buildings in the name of peace...

They're all crazy.

91 makeitstop  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:55:54pm

re: #37 Kragar

Democrats urge Boehner to "repudiate" comments by Limbaugh on contraception testimony

Speaker of the House John Boehner, personal bitch to Rush Limbaugh.

I love when they do that. Rub Boehner's nose in the fact that he's scared to death of a shock jock.

92 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:57:58pm
Does this mysterious death not coincide with the NDAA, where American citizens of all walks can just disappear without due process of law or rights of any kind? Oh, and the military comes to put the hood over your head. bye bye now

Hurr hurr durr.

BTW, Gus, did you see how Obama gutted NDAA's indef. detention provisions?

93 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:58:51pm

re: #82 Gus

For the brave you can find the link here. Read the comments.

There sure are a lot of crazy people out there.

I actually met someone once who believed the gummint could track you from that little strip in the dollar bills.

Mind you, I doubt he knew where or when to vote, so perhaps that anecdote doesn't count.

94 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 4:59:20pm

re: #92 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

Hurr hurr durr.

BTW, Gus, did you see how Obama gutted NDAA's indef. detention provisions?

Partially. I thought he completely nixed indefinite military detentions. The conspiracy nuts were still derping away last night however.

95 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:02:05pm

re: #94 Gus

Partially. I thought he completely nixed indefinite military detentions. The conspiracy nuts were still derping away last night however.

[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Imagine, all that whining and all for nothing - Obama was consistent from the start, when he objected to these parts.

96 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:02:08pm

Taylor Swift's "Love Story" took on a really weird meaning after a discovery on TVTropes. The below from my new FB status should summarize it:

Taylor Swift's "Love Story" takes on a weird meaning when you realize that "Juliet" was the name of a class of Soviet Subs. Becomes even stranger when you realize "Romeo" was as well.

97 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:02:51pm

re: #82 Gus

For the brave you can find the link here. Read the comments.


Stupidity is the one resource of which we won't have to worry about running out.


There sure are a lot of crazy people out there.

98 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:03:43pm

re: #90 Gus

...

and

They're all crazy.

I hope they examine his body, inch by inch. This is not time to let emotion take over intellect. They need experts in forensic medicine to delve into poisons. The Left are not going to proceed by the rules into a defeat. Even if the GOP wins — they are going to ‘fix-it.’ Andrew had a bomb to drop on Obama. He stated as much on a video on this site – Pat will you post that video again?

This is not time to let emotion take over intellect.
This is not time to let emotion take over intellect.

???

BWAHAHAHA!

99 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:03:59pm

re: #95 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Imagine, all that whining and all for nothing - Obama was consistent from the start, when he objected to these parts.

It was the usual "anonymous" suspects. Outrageous outrage! "6 hours before NDAA takes effect!" They really were counting down.

100 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:04:02pm

re: #82 Gus

For the brave you can find the link here. Read the comments.

Let's try this again:

Stupidity is the one resource of which we won't have to worry about running out.

101 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:04:57pm

re: #98 Kragar

I hope they examine his body, inch by inch. This is not time to let emotion take over intellect. They need experts in forensic medicine to delve into poisons. The Left are not going to proceed by the rules into a defeat. Even if the GOP wins — they are going to ‘fix-it.’ Andrew had a bomb to drop on Obama. He stated as much on a video on this site – Pat will you post that video again?

This is not time to let emotion take over intellect.
This is not time to let emotion take over intellect.

???

BWAHAHAHA!

With a needle and a spoon take a trip to the moon! Ha! The scary part is that these people are naturally this way.

102 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:06:25pm

re: #101 Gus

With a needles and spoon take a trip to the moon! Ha! The scary part is that these people are naturally this way.

103 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:08:26pm

BTW, I too was totally surprised by Breitbart's death. I will note that I thought he was older, from his looks.

Also, I won't dump on the dead so I'm not going to belittle him by my favorite nickname for him, yet I can't find much sympathy for him. Breitbart made his fame and money by yellow journalism, and he did a lot of wrong in his quest for fame and recognition.

His websites if they continue on will probably try to keep up the front, and maybe they will succeed but to do so whoever ends up running them will be tempted to outdo the founder, and that could lead to even more idiotic postings on the "BigZZZ" sites.

104 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:09:13pm

re: #86 JamesWI

You Mean this one?

Expect this to one start making the rounds in the near future.

105 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:09:35pm

Well. They opened the package at Limbaugh's house:

The package was sent by a man in Pennsylvania as a "business opportunity" for Limbaugh, Hess said. The man was not identified, but when authorities called him he apologized, Hess said.

The package contained an electronic plaque commemorating the assassinations of Abraham Lincoln and John Wilkes Booth. No further details about the plaque were immediately available.

Looks like a fellow wingnut sent him this.

From: Bomb squad called to Limbaugh residence

106 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:11:35pm

re: #105 Gus

Well. They opened the package at Limbaugh's house:

Looks like a fellow wingnut sent him this.

From: Bomb squad called to Limbaugh residence

an electronic plaque commemorating both Lincoln and Booth's death or just Booth's assassinating Lincoln.

107 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:12:01pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

an electronic plaque commemorating both Lincoln and Booth's death or just Booth's assassinating Lincoln.

That's what I was wondering.

108 Interesting Times  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:12:30pm
109 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:12:38pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

I'm going to guess the latter.

110 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:13:48pm

re: #109 ProGunLiberal

I'm going to guess the latter.

That was my assumption. I can imagine it already: Sic Siemper Tyrannis, the Virginia state motto that Booth shouted as he shot Lincoln. People who justify violence against officials they don't like love that motto.

111 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:13:52pm

In any case. This is another run-away conspiracy. The wingnuts won't read any further and just think of this as "a left wing bomb scare!" Which of course isn't the case.

112 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:14:55pm

re: #111 Gus

In any case. This is another run-away conspiracy. The wingnuts won't read any further and just think of this as "a left wing bomb scare!" Which of course isn't the case.

Or even if they do acknowledge the electronic device, they'll claim it was done by a liberal to make Rush look bad because you know that's liberals do all day is plot ways to make Rush Limbaugh look bad like he doesn't do that himself daily.

113 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:14:58pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

I noticed that comments on that story are also closed. Wise decision.

114 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:14:58pm

Carolyn Maloney: Rush Limbaugh 'Slut' Comment Is Attempt To Silence Women

Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.) angrily walked out of a congressional hearing on the contraception coverage rule last month because the one female witness the Democrats brought, Sandra Fluke, was rejected by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) for being "unqualified" to speak on the topic.

But after hearing that conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh called Fluke, a Georgetown University law student, a "slut" and a "prostitute" on Wednesday night for advocating that employers cover birth control pills in their health plans, Maloney is really fuming.

"I am just aghast," she told The Huffington Post on Thursday. "If the far right can attack people like Sandra Fluke, women are going to be afraid to speak because they're going to be called terrible words. It's an attempt to silence people that are speaking out for women."

Maloney and Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-D.C.) had brought Fluke into the hallway outside the House Oversight Committee hearing on Feb. 16 to allow her to give her testimony to reporters while the all-male panel of religious experts testified on record. Fluke told the story of one of her classmates who lost an ovary because Georgetown, a Jesuit university, did not cover the oral contraceptives that she was prescribed for her condition.

115 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:15:30pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

an electronic plaque commemorating both Lincoln and Booth's death or just Booth's assassinating Lincoln.

Booth wasn't assassinated. He was killed in shady circumstances, but it wasn't an assassination. People who refer to his assassination are normally South Shall Rise Again types.

He was given a chance to surrender, refused, they set the barn he was in on fire, and then one guy shot him. He shouldn't have shot him, it was against orders, but Booth wasn't 'assassinated'.

116 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:16:51pm

re: #115 Obdicut

Booth wasn't assassinated. He was killed in shady circumstances, but it wasn't an assassination. People who refer to his assassination are normally South Shall Rise Again types.

He was given a chance to surrender, refused, they set the barn he was in on fire, and then one guy shot him. He shouldn't have shot him, it was against orders, but Booth wasn't 'assassinated'.

Yep. 100 bucks says this is just some wingnut sending Limbaugh a package. And being that Limbaugh's been a douche of late they've been on "heightened alert."

117 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:16:54pm

re: #115 Obdicut

Booth wasn't assassinated. He was killed in shady circumstances, but it wasn't an assassination. People who refer to his assassination are normally South Shall Rise Again types.

He was given a chance to surrender, refused, they set the barn he was in on fire, and then one guy shot him. He shouldn't have shot him, it was against orders, but Booth wasn't 'assassinated'.

I know. The wording on the story confused me since I knew the circumstances of Booth's death. The guy who shot and killed Booth, Corbett was a weird character in himself.

118 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:17:08pm
119 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:17:26pm

re: #96 ProGunLiberal

Taylor Swift's "Love Story" took on a really weird meaning after a discovery on TVTropes. The below from my new FB status should summarize it:

Um, actually, it's probably correlation, not causation.

The Soviets and Taylor Swift were both riffing off of Shakespeare.

120 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:18:27pm

re: #118 Kragar

Did Obama Kill Andrew Breitbart? Some Idiots Think So

If Obama wanted Breitbart dead, it would have happened a long time ago. That's the biggest fallacy with these Obama is a bloodthirsty tyrant types.

121 celticdragon  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:20:23pm

re: #3 Obdicut

Get ready for all your personal stuff to be dug through by complete assholes, Sandra Fluke.

I imagine that Michelle Malkin is already peeking through her windows to see what kind of counter tops she has.

122 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:20:39pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

If Obama wanted Breitbart dead, it would have happened a long time ago. That's the biggest fallacy with these Obama is a bloodthirsty tyrant types.

He was lulling us into a false sense of security.

Next he's coming for the guns.

You notice this happened the night before Arpaio released his report. I question the timing.

/

123 Amory Blaine  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:20:57pm

Pat Dullard. The Derp Starts Here!!

124 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:22:08pm

re: #121 celticdragon
That's a creepy image that is now stuck in my brain.

125 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:23:09pm

re: #122 Kragar

He was lulling us into a false sense of security.

Next he's coming for the guns.

You notice this happened the night before Arpaio released his report. I question the timing.

/

That was basically was Corsi what clumsily trying to imply at Arapio's presser, noting that Breitbart's last interview was of Sheriff Joe on the subject of his "investigation."

126 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:23:27pm

re: #119 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Um, actually, it's probably correlation, not causation.

The Soviets and Taylor Swift were both riffing off of Shakespeare.

Oh thank God a voice of reason.

Listen to her, Pro.

Later, lizards.

127 celticdragon  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:23:57pm

re: #34 Targetpractice

I have to agree with Matt, one should not act as though they're saddened by the death of someone who they reviled. I don't agree with his sentiments past that, but I respect that he's remaining true to himself.

That was my sense of it.

128 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:23:59pm

Oh glory.

Thanks to the wonders of how Facebook, I now have a window into an entire new world.

One of my cousin's sons is currently engaged in a FB smackdown, complete with lots of misspelled bad words and threats. This is the dropout crowd, apparently.

It's like watching reality tv, only more pathetic and heart breaking, because I'm pretty sure it's not staged.

129 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:24:58pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

That was basically was Corsi was clumsily trying to imply at Arapio's presser, noting that Breitbart's last interview was of Sheriff Joe on the subject of his "investigation."

Isn't Corsi a truther too?

130 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:26:18pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Isn't Corsi a truther too?

Depends on who is in the White House

131 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:26:23pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Isn't Corsi a truther too?

Don't think there's much lunacy the man hasn't latched onto to make a buck.

132 celticdragon  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:28:05pm

re: #74 Tigger2005

A well-worded and principled response, Ms. Fluke.

Now sue.

The lawsuit will be a thing of beauty. She will never actually have to use that law degree for the rest of her life when her legal team gets done with him.

133 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:28:17pm

re: #16 Killgore Trout

I've been trying to avoid this stuff but I think Matt Taibbi wins the crass partisan hatred award of the day: Andrew Breitbart: Death of a Douche

I've been buried in school till just about now. News to me. Spooky too. Breitbart was a jerk, an a-hole, an uninformed twit of fairly high order, but it makes me wonder if I'll drop dead one day from natural causes.

That said, given all that Breitbart was, politically speaking, let's not promote that which celebrates his untimely death. Just a suggestion though.

134 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:28:21pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Isn't Corsi a truther too?

135 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:28:28pm

re: #131 Targetpractice

Don't think there's much lunacy the man hasn't latched onto to make a buck.

I can't wait to see what crazy shit he makes up about the next Democratic nominee.

136 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:28:48pm
137 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:30:48pm

If Breitbart had had films of Obama that made him look bad, they'd already be out there.

138 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:30:56pm

re: #136 Kragar

25 People Who Think President Obama Killed Andrew Breitbart

THE STUPID! IT BURNS!

ARMY OR PARASITES!

139 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:31:21pm

Who killed Breitbart?

It should be pretty straightforward - it's the person who killed Vince Foster.

140 BrainSurfer  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:31:37pm

Have three kids in college. Never thought about this until I listened to Sandra talking about $3000 a year in contraceptive costs. Colleges should probably add this to their "expected tuition, room & board, books and fees, and related expenses" when they provide total annual expenses (per student) which parents should plan on for college. Give me another beer to ease the pain and count me in on having the insurance companies pay for this for free.

141 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:31:46pm

re: #139 freetoken

Who killed Breitbart?

It should be pretty straightforward - it's the person who killed Vince Foster.

Bill, you magnificent son of a bitch.

142 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:31:59pm

re: #137 To hold my temper, most of the time.

If Breitbart had had films of Obama that made him look bad, they'd already be out there.

Yep. Not only that but Breitbart's death should have no bearing on whatever they might release.

143 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:32:18pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

ARMY OR PARASITES!

144 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:32:55pm

re: #142 Gus

Yep. Not only that but Breitbart's death should have no bearing on whatever they might release.

He just doesn't strike me as the kind of person who would sit on something incendiary.

145 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:33:43pm

re: #144 To hold my temper, most of the time.

He just doesn't strike me as the kind of person who would sit on something incendiary.

Yep but see these are facts and logic and facts and logic never get in the way of a conspiracy.

146 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:34:51pm

re: #133 Eclectic Infidel

I've been buried in school till just about now. News to me. Spooky too. Breitbart was a jerk, an a-hole, an uninformed twit of fairly high order, but it makes me wonder if I'll drop dead one day from natural causes.

That said, given all that Breitbart was, politically speaking, let's not promote that which celebrates his untimely death. Just a suggestion though.

Killgore wasn't promoting it. He was calling attention to an asshole who expressed glee at the death of someone who did not deserve to die. Any political faction has such people and when they DERP out their hate, it is normal for that to be used against them.

147 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:35:49pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Yep but see these are facts and logic and facts and logic never get in the way of a conspiracy.

This is not time to let emotion take over intellect. - Poster wondering if Breitbart was murdered

148 Mich-again  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:35:56pm

Rush Limbaugh couldn't stand it that Andrew Breitbart stole his spotlight for the day so he had think up something really big to keep the hyenas' attention.

149 jaunte  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:36:20pm

re: #140 BrainSurfer

Here, read what she actually said before you post about it:
“Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school."

150 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:36:37pm

re: #140 BrainSurfer

GAZE

151 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:37:06pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

Killgore wasn't promoting it. He was calling attention to a asshole who expressed glee at the death of someone who did not deserve to die. Any political faction has such people and when they DERP out their hate, it is normal for that to be used against them.

Well, shut my mouth. Clarification appreciated.

No offense meant Killgore.

152 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:37:22pm

re: #147 Kragar

This is not time to let emotion take over intellect. - Poster wondering if Breitbart was murdered

The irony of that statement is truly a wonder to behold.

153 Mich-again  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:37:47pm

Rush Limbaugh can proudly assert that not a single birth control pill has ever been taken in his name.

154 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:38:27pm

re: #151 Eclectic Infidel

Well, shut my mouth. Clarification appreciated.

No offense meant Killgore.

Do upding him, though. I feel that post got downdinged unfairly.

155 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:38:30pm

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

The irony of that statement is truly a wonder to behold.

Letting Emotion take over intellect has been all the GOP has done as a national party ever since Obama was elected.

156 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:38:37pm

While we're on the subject, or not on the subject, or having discussed it at some point today, did they "prove" that if you buy rubber stamp thingies through postal supply stores, you can make a mockup of the stamps on Obama's SS card?

Well. Yes. And if you buy an old typewriter, you could make a forgery of an old document, if there were only one type of font.

Except for the age of the paper, of course.

157 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:38:44pm

I am not gonna celebrate Mr. Breitbart's death but his fans decrying the people happy about it need to remember what Breitbart did after Teddy Kennedy did. By the way Shirley Sherrod, a woman who was personally affected by this guy probably had the most classy response I saw all day.

158 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:38:56pm

re: #133 Eclectic Infidel

... but it makes me wonder if I'll drop dead one day from natural causes.

.

Weeellll... would you rather go by an unnatural cause?

It's one of those things we normally like to avoid pondering... but frankly I think I'd rather go quickly via some catastrophic failure of an organ, rather than, say be murdered.

159 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:39:54pm

re: #158 freetoken

Weeelll... would you rather go by an unnatural cause?

It's one of those things we normally like to avoid pondering... but frankly I think I'd rather go quickly via some catastrophic failure of an organ, rather than, say be murdered.

I like being struck by a meteorite. You'd never know what hit you, and if you were lucky, they'd name the meteorite after you and you'd get a page on wikipedia, and possibly your own conspiracy theorists.

160 Amory Blaine  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:40:33pm

re: #156 To hold my temper, most of the time.

You could pour coffee on the paper and burn around the edges...

:p

161 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:40:48pm

re: #159 To hold my temper, most of the time.

I like being struck by a meteorite. You'd never know what hit you, and if you were lucky, they'd name the meteorite after you and you'd get a page on wikipedia, and possibly your own conspiracy theorists.

Obama was test firing his mass drivers! You know the navy already has rail cannons!

162 Mich-again  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:41:09pm

re: #158 freetoken

Weeelll... would you rather go by an unnatural cause?

I'd rather go quietly in my sleep like Grandpa did. Not screaming in terror like all his passengers.

/

163 jaunte  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:41:15pm

Sandra Fluke:

“In the media lately, some conservative Catholic organizations have been asking what did we expect when we enroll in a Catholic school?

“We can only answer that we expected women to be treated equally, to not have our school create untenable burdens that impede our academic success.

“We expected that our schools would live up to the Jesuit creed of ‘cura personalis‘ – to care for the whole person – by meeting all of our medical needs.

“We expected that when we told our universities of the problem this policy created for us as students, they would help us.

“We expected that when 94% of students oppose the policy the university would respect our choices regarding insurance students pay for – completely unsubsidized by the university.

“We did not expect that women would be told in the national media that we should have gone to school elsewhere.

“And even if that meant going to a less prestigious university, we refuse to pick between a quality education and our health. And we resent that in the 21st century, anyone think it’s acceptable to ask us to make this choice simply because we are women.

“Many of the women whose stories I’ve shared today are Catholic women. So ours is not a war against the church. It is a struggle for the access to the health care we need."
[Link: www.whatthefolly.com...]

164 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:41:50pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

I am not gonna celebrate Mr. Breitbart's death but his fans decrying the people happy about it need to remember what Breitbart did after Teddy Kennedy did. By the way Shirley Sherrod, a woman who was personally affected by this guy probably had the most classy response I saw all day.

Quite Concur.

165 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:42:13pm

re: #158 freetoken

Weeelll... would you rather go by an unnatural cause?

It's one of those things we normally like to avoid pondering... but frankly I think I'd rather go quickly via some catastrophic failure of an organ, rather than, say be murdered.

Well, I only ponder it because I have been recently diagnosed with severe sleep apnea (breathing interrupted 54 times per hour) and cancer runs rampant on my mother's side of the family. As for unnatural causes, heck, life happens. I'll just continue on my path of good food, drink and quality friends (and occasional lovers) and let the dice fall where they may.

166 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:43:07pm

re: #160 Amory Blaine

You could pour coffee on the paper and burn around the edges...

:p

Did that as a kid. Well, not the coffee. There wasn't any available in my house. But we made a treasure map and burned the edges.

Too bad we didn't have any treasure.

167 BrainSurfer  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:43:19pm

re: #149 jaunte

Here, read what she actually said before you post about it:
“Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school."

Thanks, jaunted. Just confirms in writing what I heard and saw on her testimony. What's your point?

168 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:43:34pm

When Ted Kennedy died, Andrew Breitbart said some truly hateful things, things that if someone posted in a comment at LGF would have gotten them banned. So although it's definitely not my style to celebrate when someone like Breitbart dies unexpectedly, I can almost understand the point Taibbi is making in his piece. He's right that Breitbart would probably understand having it thrown back into his own face.

But I decided long ago that it's worth the effort to resist the impulse to gloat at times like these, even though Andrew's death brings up some very raw issues for me. When he attacked me, it wasn't all "magic ponytail" silliness, he also went for the throat and didn't hesitate to post things he knew were false and outrageously defamatory. I don't forgive him for that, but I'm not going to respond in kind.

I may have some more to write about this in the next couple of days.

169 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:44:02pm

well geez the poor bastard was only 43

very sad that he was so young - RIP

170 Amory Blaine  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:44:04pm

re: #166 To hold my temper, most of the time.

The times had with the map was the treasure.

171 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:44:06pm

re: #158 freetoken

Weeelll... would you rather go by an unnatural cause?

It's one of those things we normally like to avoid pondering... but frankly I think I'd rather go quickly via some catastrophic failure of an organ, rather than, say be murdered.

I want it to be by giant asteroid.
With enough time to say, "Fuck you" to it.
:P

172 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:44:06pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

Killgore wasn't promoting it. He was calling attention to an asshole who expressed glee at the death of someone who did not deserve to die. Any political faction has such people and when they DERP out their hate, it is normal for that to be used against them.

The editorial was written in the spirit of the subject, namely one Andrew Breitbart, a man who had no trouble being utterly vile to those who fell into his crosshairs. I respect Matt for holding to his own belief that one should not feign sadness for the death of a person who, alive, would belittle them for expressing such a belief.

In some ways, I think of Matt's editorial as being somewhat in the same spirit as John Cleese's own eulogy of Graham Chapman.

173 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:45:02pm

re: #167 BrainSurfer

Thanks, jaunted. Just confirms in writing what I heard and saw on her testimony. What's your point?

I think the point Jaunted is trying to make is that law school tends to last more than one year for most people.

174 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:45:10pm

re: #169 engineer cat

well geez the poor bastard was only 43

very sad that he was so young - RIP

I feel most bad for his kids. My understanding is they're really young. Tough to lose a parent and that's what they know him as.

175 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:45:19pm

re: #170 Amory Blaine

The times had with the map was the treasure.

Actually, in my family, being allowed to burn something was the treasure.

We are a bunch of pyromaniacs.

176 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:45:28pm

re: #100 freetoken

Let's try this again:

Stupidity is the one resource of which we won't have to worry about running out.

Sometimes you have to contort the language to avoid that nasty hanging participle.

177 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:45:44pm

re: #173 jamesfirecat

I think the point Jaunted is trying to make is that law school tends to last more than one year for most people.

Well, if they would just love Jesus more...

178 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:46:02pm

re: #140 BrainSurfer

Again, easily checked lies in your post. Such a pathetic ass.

179 jaunte  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:46:42pm

re: #173 jamesfirecat

It's a tough one, isn't it?

180 JRCMYP  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:46:58pm

re: #16 Killgore Trout

I've been trying to avoid this stuff but I think Matt Taibbi wins the crass partisan hatred award of the day: Andrew Breitbart: Death of a Douche

And you're spreading this shit, why??

181 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:47:03pm

re: #140 BrainSurfer

Go away.

182 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:47:17pm

re: #178 Obdicut

Again, easily checked lies in your post. Such a pathetic ass.

The Troll Moth gets zapped by the Electricity of Facts. Again.

183 BrainSurfer  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:49:18pm

re: #178 Obdicut

Again, easily checked lies in your post. Such a pathetic ass.

Obdicut - you are hilarious. Did not realize I was providing material for lies... which are?

184 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:49:34pm

re: #140 BrainSurfer

Have three kids in college. Never thought about this until I listened to Sandra talking about $3000 a year in contraceptive costs. Colleges should probably add this to their "expected tuition, room & board, books and fees, and related expenses" when they provide total annual expenses (per student) which parents should plan on for college. Give me another beer to ease the pain and count me in on having the insurance companies pay for this for free.

Listen jerk....no, you don't listen do you?

There is more to this than your little mind can comprehend.

185 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:50:01pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

The questions isn't what Breitbart or his memory deserves, but what his loved ones-- people he may have been self-sacrificing, generous, and wonderful to-- deserve.

It's not for the dead, but for the living, that decorum is a good idea.

186 Lidane  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:50:23pm

re: #184 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

Pfft. Who cares? They're just an ignorant troll anyway.

187 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:50:53pm

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

The Troll Moth gets zapped by the Electricity of Facts. Again.

The point of the exercise is to get zapped. Instead of counting coup, it's counting DERP.

188 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:51:29pm

re: #183 BrainSurfer

Obdicut - you are hilarious. Did not realize I was providing material for lies... which are?

*Ace Ventura taking deep breath*

189 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:51:45pm

OT but [Link: news.yahoo.com...]
That's creepy as hell.

190 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:52:25pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

When Ted Kennedy died, Andrew Breitbart said some truly hateful things, things that if someone posted in a comment at LGF would have gotten them banned. So although it's definitely not my style to celebrate when someone like Breitbart dies unexpectedly, I can almost understand the point Taibbi is making in his piece. He's right that Breitbart would probably understand having it thrown back into his own face.

But I decided long ago that it's worth the effort to resist the impulse to gloat at times like these, even though Andrew's death brings up some very raw issues for me. When he attacked me, it wasn't all "magic ponytail" silliness, he also went for the throat and didn't hesitate to post things he knew were false and outrageously defamatory. I don't forgive him for that, but I'm not going to respond in kind.

I may have some more to write about this in the next couple of days.

I can also understand the spirit of the article and Breitbart probably wouldn't be offended. I think the issue for me is that many seem eager to embrace the mirror image of the hatred they objected to. At some point people become the very thing they hate most.

191 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:52:43pm

re: #183 BrainSurfer

She said that it could cost $3000 over the entirety of law school. Law school is three years for most, could be four if you have to work at the same side. So, at most, that's $1,000 a year, which would be a double-hormonal prescription, which is given to some women when they have a hormone imbalance.

What do you feel about Limbaugh calling her a slut? As I recall, you're rather prissy about bad language.

192 BrainSurfer  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:52:58pm

re: #184 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

Listen jerk...no, you don't listen do you?

There is more to this than your little mind can comprehend.

OK, Blue Spot - please open up my mind. Enlighten the hell of me.

193 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:53:02pm

re: #119 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Oh, I know.

But changing the meaning of "Romeo" and "Juliet" makes the song kind of weird.

194 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:53:58pm

re: #183 BrainSurfer

Obdicut - you are hilarious. Did not realize I was providing material for lies... which are?

Go Away Gordon.

195 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:54:09pm

re: #186 Lidane

Pfft. Who cares? They're just an ignorant troll anyway.

With three virgins in college?

196 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:54:16pm

re: #192 BrainSurfer

OK, Blue Spot - please open up my mind. Enlighten the hell of me.

Some on this board have been trying.
Not surprised you hadn't noticed.
;)

197 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:56:10pm

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

Go Away Gordon.

Is it the Return of Nodrog?!?!?!

Oh, just a Troll. Don't Feed The Troll.

198 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:56:22pm

re: #191 Obdicut

Also, the cost has nothing at all to do with being in college. It's just what it costs. Given that most people who attempt abstinence fail at it, it's a good precaution for women for whom it's not contraindicated to be on birth control. Always better safe than sorry.

199 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:56:33pm

re: #192 BrainSurfer

OK, Blue Spot - please open up my mind. Enlighten the hell of me.

All you have to do is read more than your own posts. (btw, operative handle is tang)

200 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:57:39pm

re: #193 ProGunLiberal

Oh, I know.

But changing the meaning of "Romeo" and "Juliet" makes the song kind of weird.

True.

And let use this as a chance to post a cover Taylor Swift did. If you were a fan of Ally McBeal, you'll remember this one. It goes out to all those here at LGF who give it to me straight, without BS or evasion:

201 Lidane  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:57:57pm

re: #195 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

With three virgins in college?

Exactly. Blatant red flag that they're just yanking everyone's chain.

202 Linden Arden  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:58:19pm

I am a middle aged Southern male.

Point is - I still believe in chivalry and our most most vulnerable women tend to be teens who rely on Planned Parenthood and similar services.

What kind of asshole (Limbaugh) wants to deprive those young women of reproductive options at that age (Limbaugh). Sometimes on the brink of graduation (Limbaugh).

Seriously - fuck that asshole.

203 Interesting Times  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:59:09pm
204 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 5:59:14pm

re: #202 Linden Arden

I am a middle aged Southern male.

Point is - I still believe in chivalry and our most most vulnerable women tend to be teens who rely on Planned Parenthood and similar services.

What kind of asshole (Limbaugh) wants to deprive those young women of reproductive options at that age (Limbaugh). Sometimes on the brink of graduation (Limbaugh).

Seriously - fuck that asshole.

I think that asshole needs to look at himself before he judges other people. Same way he did with drug users while he was doing Oxy himself.

205 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:00:52pm

re: #192 BrainSurfer

OK, Blue Spot - please open up my mind. Enlighten the hell of me.

Not possible.

206 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:01:11pm

BBL

207 BrainSurfer  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:01:48pm

re: #198 Obdicut

Also, the cost has nothing at all to do with being in college. It's just what it costs. Given that most people who attempt abstinence fail at it, it's a good precaution for women for whom it's not contraindicated to be on birth control. Always better safe than sorry.

Believe it or not , I fully agree with you Obdicutt.

208 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:02:39pm

re: #191 Obdicut

She said that it could cost $3000 over the entirety of law school. Law school is three years for most, could be four if you have to work at the same side. So, at most, that's $1,000 a year, which would be a double-hormonal prescription, which is given to some women when they have a hormone imbalance.

What do you feel about Limbaugh calling her a slut? As I recall, you're rather prissy about bad language.

My little sister had endometriosis. Bad. She went on the pill at 14 so she could function. The slut.

209 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:04:20pm

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

Go Away Gordon.

Shouldn't that be "go away RefrusNiarb"?

//

210 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:04:21pm

re: #208 austin_blue

My little sister had endometriosis. Bad. She went on the pill at 14 so she could function. The slut.

We should be able to watch her tapes.///

211 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:04:34pm

Charles, thank you for your dignified and sensitive response to the sudden death of Andrew Breitbart. We have criticized Breitbart pretty severely here, and deservedly so, but that was while he was still alive to defend himself.
There is another factor in this as well: He was only 43 and he was a talented person in many ways. The potential existed for him to see the error of his ways and become a positive force in the world. Cynics are fond of saying that a leopard cannot change his spots, but experience shows otherwise. It happens all the time. It's true that Breitbart might have continued on the same path as Rush Limbaugh, eventually becoming a self-parody lost in his own delusions and blinded by his own hubris. He could just as easily have taken the kind of path you (and I) have in recent years. Now that potential is gone forever.
Finally, it is my understanding that Andrew's parents, Gerald and Arlene, are both still alive. This must be dreadful for them, they have my deepest condolences.

212 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:04:39pm

re: #191 Obdicut

She said that it could cost $3000 over the entirety of law school. Law school is three years for most, could be four if you have to work at the same side. So, at most, that's $1,000 a year, which would be a double-hormonal prescription, which is given to some women when they have a hormone imbalance.

Don't forget the cost of the office visit and pelvic exam from the doctor that writes the script. If the purpose of that is declared as relating to birth control then it might not be covered by the finicky insurance agency. Assuming once a year visits the cost for these will run between $100 to $600 over the three year course of a typical law school. Since women often need to try various formulation of the Pill to see which works best for them, minimizing negative side effects and such, it's common to have multiple doctor's visits in the beginning.

213 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:04:59pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

Nice people understand other folks losses. And have kind emotions, for the others loss. No matter how mean, and unattractive the dead person might have been. Kindness is a very human emotion.

214 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:05:08pm

go by an unnatural cause

is there a signup sheet somewhere?

215 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:06:11pm

re: #207 BrainSurfer

So what do you feel about her being called a slut by Rush Limbaugh, troll?

216 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:07:12pm

re: #214 engineer cat

At the bottom of the stairs, behind the locked door with a sign saying "Beware of the leopard."

217 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:08:03pm

re: #202 Linden Arden

I am a middle aged Southern male.

Point is - I still believe in chivalry and our most most vulnerable women tend to be teens who rely on Planned Parenthood and similar services.

What kind of asshole (Limbaugh) wants to deprive those young women of reproductive options at that age (Limbaugh). Sometimes on the brink of graduation (Limbaugh).

Seriously - fuck that asshole.

Never mind the moralizing aspect; if anyone believes it makes sense for insurance to pay for preventive medical to reduce future more expensive costs, for all, then contraceptive coverage is probably the most cost effective cost reduction of all, not including the non contraceptive medical reasons for "hormones" which the moonbats like the surfer dude wants to discount.

218 BrainSurfer  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:09:34pm

re: #215 Obdicut

So what do you feel about her being called a slut by Rush Limbaugh, troll?

He's a piece of shit who is pandering to his audience.
He has no sense of honor.

219 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:09:49pm

re: #216 Obdicut

At the bottom of the stairs, behind the locked door with a sign saying "Beware of the leopard."

No problem. Throw a 5-pound pot roast in first. But sign the sheet reeeeal fast.

220 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:11:34pm

Andrew Breitbart, 1969-2012
by David Frum

You have to read the whole thing.

221 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:11:41pm

re: #218 BrainSurfer

He's a piece of shit who is pandering to his audience.
He has no sense of honor.

What audience are you then pandering to by ignoring all the intelligence you could absorb here?

222 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:11:56pm

re: #214 engineer cat

go by an unnatural cause

is there a signup sheet somewhere?

I'm signing up for "Cause of death: Supernova."

223 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:12:58pm

re: #218 BrainSurfer

Good job finally getting around to that.

And do you get that she was talking about $3,000 over the course of law school, as the upper limit for some women?

And that the cost is unrelated to college, so your little crack about colleges telling parents to prepare for that cost-- especially since it generally is included in student health plans-- makes no sense?

I mean, if you agree with me, then surely you already knew how much birth control cost, because you didn't wait until college to encourage your daughters to go on it, right?

224 palomino  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:13:06pm

re: #191 Obdicut

She said that it could cost $3000 over the entirety of law school. Law school is three years for most, could be four if you have to work at the same side. So, at most, that's $1,000 a year, which would be a double-hormonal prescription, which is given to some women when they have a hormone imbalance.

What do you feel about Limbaugh calling her a slut? As I recall, you're rather prissy about bad language.

Just two more points to add:

1) That comes out to a max of $83.33 per month for the Pill. The patient would have a co-pay, which, while small, would be the same as with virtually any other Rx drug. So there's no legit objection, save those brainiacs who honestly believe that contraception is not part of a woman's overall health profile.

2) The insurance cos. WANT women to use contraception. Why else would they go along with the Obama plan in which they would effectively provide it for free? It improves their bottom line in the long run...less prenatal, natal, postnatal care to pay for.

225 Mich-again  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:14:25pm
Breitbart is survived by his wife, Susannah, and their four children: Samson, 12; Mia, 10; Charlie, 6; and William, 4

My condolences to his family, and particularly the children. Hopefully Andrew used his writing skills somewhere along the way to leave some optimistic, positive essays or messages that his kids could read years later when it would make more sense. It would be a shame if his talent all these years was wasted on politically charged crappola.

226 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:14:27pm

what evangelicals don't like about "liberals": sex

what "liberals" don't like about evangelicals: sects

(ducks)

227 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:16:17pm

re: #211 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

Charles, thank you for your dignified and sensitive response to the sudden death of Andrew Breitbart. We have criticized Breitbart pretty severely here, and deservedly so, but that was while he was still alive to defend himself.
There is another factor in this as well: He was only 43 and he was a talented person in many ways. The potential existed for him to see the error of his ways and become a positive force in the world. Cynics are fond of saying that a leopard cannot change his spots, but experience shows otherwise. It happens all the time. It's true that Breitbart might have continued on the same path as Rush Limbaugh, eventually becoming a self-parody lost in his own delusions and blinded by his own hubris. He could just as easily have taken the kind of path you (and I) have in recent years. Now that potential is gone forever.
Finally, it is my understanding that Andrew's parents, Gerald and Arlene, are both still alive. This must be dreadful for them, they have my deepest condolences.

Somebody dying at forty-three means they were shorted two to three decades in which they might have changed.

I don't agree with anything that Andrew Breitbart did, but in addition to being sad for those left to mourn him, I'm sad that he died leaving the legacy he did. Who could he have been, with a few more years? Maybe someone different...it happens. Contrasted with myself over ten years, I'm a different person altogether; over the last five, maybe even a better one.

228 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:17:47pm

re: #225 Mich-again

My condolences to his family, and particularly the children. Hopefully Andrew used his writing skills somewhere along the way to leave some optimistic, positive essays or messages that his kids could read years later when it would make more sense. It would be a shame if his talent all these years was wasted on politically charged crappola.

If all they can remember him by is the OWS rant, I feel for them.

Dude put more into his outrage than I can EVER imagine, his family.

229 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:17:53pm

re: #224 palomino

Just two more points to add:

1) That comes out to a max of $83.33 per month for the Pill. The patient would have a co-pay, which, while small, would be the same as with virtually any other Rx drug. So there's no legit objection, save those brainiacs who honestly believe that contraception is not part of a woman's overall health profile.

2) The insurance cos. WANT women to use contraception. Why else would they go along with the Obama plan in which they would effectively provide it for free? It improves their bottom line in the long run...less prenatal, natal, postnatal care to pay for.

You're missing the part where Fluke goes to Georgetown, a Catholic University. Her heath insurance coverage is dictated by the whims of her school's administrators, who are imposing their institution's affiliated religious doctrines on students who may not in fact be Catholic themselves.

230 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:18:03pm

re: #96 ProGunLiberal

Taylor Swift's "Love Story" takes on a weird meaning when you realize that "Juliet" was the name of a class of Soviet Subs. Becomes even stranger when you realize "Romeo" was as well.

Uh, yeah, but before that, it was a play by Shakespeare about a pair of teenage lovers.

231 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:21:40pm

re: #230 Learned Mother of Zion

I realize that. As I explained, putting in my minor military knowledge make the song weird.

232 Lidane  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:22:19pm

re: #230 Learned Mother of Zion

Uh, yeah, but before that, it was a play by Shakespeare about a pair of teenage lovers.

Who end up killing themselves. A lot of people conveniently forget that part.

233 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:23:03pm

re: #220 Gus

Andrew Breitbart, 1969-2012
by David Frum

You have to read the whole thing.

Frum's exactly right, as Taibbi was, in acknowledging that Breitbart was a polarizing figure, though Frum was much more level-headed in making that point. We can't simply act as though Breitbart was anything other than an ass, but to feign liking the man is to be dishonest.

234 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:23:48pm

re: #232 Lidane

Who end up killing themselves. A lot of people conveniently forget that part.

More to the point they knew next to nothing about each other and were closer to 15 than 18, that people REALLY don't remember.

235 Lidane  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:24:12pm
236 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:25:06pm

re: #235 Lidane

I was just reading that.

237 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:26:03pm

re: #235 Lidane

Kragar: Land not a person, compares Land to "Bag of Dicks"

238 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:26:35pm

re: #233 Targetpractice

I would never feign liking him or his actions, but on the day of his death...

... I shall save my scorn for another time.

239 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:29:12pm

re: #238 Slumbering Behemoth

I would never feign liking him or his actions, but on the day of his death...

... I shall save my scorn for another time.

I've committed myself to holding my tongue for 24 hours, out of respect to the family.

240 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:29:39pm

re: #233 Targetpractice

Frum's exactly right, as Taibbi was, in acknowledging that Breitbart was a polarizing figure, though Frum was much more level-headed in making that point. We can't simply act as though Breitbart was anything other than an ass, but to feign liking the man is to be dishonest.

Sometimes you look at a man and see him not as he is but what he could be. As with all men. Having a smoke outside thinking about all of the rage. How at times I would watch his Twitter feed in the evening and he would be enraged for hours on end. Watching him obsessed with Charles for almost three days straight. Then what we've all seen in his televised appearances.

Was it his own rage that killed him or did it contribute to his death? We can look at this as a learning experience not for its ideology but behavior. Perhaps we can learn to tone down the rage? My final thought was that he like everyone else, never had a chance to redeem himself for those that did not accept his amplified ideology. There will be others who would say otherwise. The fight goes on.

241 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:30:29pm

I'm not happy he died; it's a tragedy when four young kids are left without a father.

But if I were a drinking man, I'd pop one open in support of all the folks who in the future won't fall prey to his idiotic nonsense.

242 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:31:44pm

re: #239 Targetpractice

You'll be a better person for it.

243 BrainSurfer  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:32:03pm

re: #221 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

What audience are you then pandering to by ignoring all the intelligence you could absorb here?

re: #223 Obdicut

Good job finally getting around to that.

And do you get that she was talking about $3,000 over the course of law school, as the upper limit for some women?

And that the cost is unrelated to college, so your little crack about colleges telling parents to prepare for that cost-- especially since it generally is included in student health plans-- makes no sense?

I mean, if you agree with me, then surely you already knew how much birth control cost, because you didn't wait until college to encourage your daughters to go on it, right?

Obviously, you don't have kids in college at this time. And my main point went over your head - college costs are a pain, and when contraception is not covered - it costs a hell of lot.

The Onion should have a post on this - the real costs of college for parents, including four years (3 for law school) of their kids screwing around, drinking and drugging.

244 darthstar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:32:21pm

facebook comment from a friend of mine...

rush. coulter. the other douchebag that died today (god rest his soul). it has nothing to do with facts. it has nothing to do with their personal opinion. it has to do with performance rhetoric, on point, to keep the sheep in the stall on behalf of the gop & their corporate daddies. and to line all the pockets down the row. nothing more than that. simple theater in pursuit of power & profit. that is all.

245 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:32:31pm

re: #240 Gus

My final thought was that he like everyone else, never had a chance to redeem himself for those that did not accept his amplified ideology.

if george wallace had died at 43 he would never had had a chance to redeem himself

246 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:33:30pm

re: #233 Targetpractice

Frum's exactly right, as Taibbi was, in acknowledging that Breitbart was a polarizing figure, though Frum was much more level-headed in making that point. We can't simply act as though Breitbart was anything other than an ass, but to feign liking the man is to be dishonest.

I wonder what the dividing line is with a political figure who incites racial hate, when they die

Where does the line fall, what do you have to do to no longer get the civilized treatment

defamation clearly isn't enough. Attempting to ruin someone's life isn't enough.

if Don Black, founder of Stormfront, were to die tomorrow, would we be going "condolences to his family"?

247 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:33:59pm

re: #240 Gus

Sometimes you look at a man and see him not as he is but what he could be. As with all men. Having a smoke outside thinking about all of rage. How at times I would watch his Twitter feed in the evening and he would be enraged for hours on end. Watching him obsessed with Charles for almost three days straight. Then what we've all seen in his televised appearances.

Was it his own rage that killed him or did it contribute to his death? We can look at this as learning experience not for it's ideology but behavior. Perhaps we can learn to tone down the rage? My final thought was that he like everyone else, never had a chance to redeem himself for those that did not accept his amplified ideology. There will be others who would say otherwise. The fight goes on.

I respect him for speaking his mind and seeing things through to the end. And I think to think that, given time, he might have mellowed out and become more thoughtful in his approach. He left a mark that few will forget and will be seen as an icon of the era that he helped bring into life.

That said, he was an ass and more, but I'll not go farther than that for now.

248 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:34:03pm

re: #245 engineer cat

if george wallace had died at 43 he would never had had a chance to redeem himself

Lee Atwater -- death bed redemption. Robert Byrd through life.

249 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:34:08pm

re: #229 goddamnedfrank

You're missing the part where Fluke goes to Georgetown, a Catholic University. Her heath insurance coverage is dictated by the whims of her school's administrators, who are imposing their institution's affiliated religious doctrines on students who may not in fact be Catholic themselves.

And paying huge bongo bucks to be treated like chattel.

250 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:35:22pm

It's the Catholic in me. Can't shake it. ;)

251 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:36:19pm

re: #235 Lidane

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Gah! Big upside there for Santorum, despite the fact that he's an Opus Dei Papist.

252 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:36:28pm

re: #231 ProGunLiberal

I realize that. As I explained, putting in my minor military knowledge make the song weird.

It's just you.

253 darthstar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:36:42pm

Herman Cain's ad features a psychotic girl killing a goldfish.

254 Lidane  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:37:09pm

A moment of levity:

255 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:37:12pm

re: #243 BrainSurfer

re: #223 Obdicut

Obviously, you don't have kids in college at this time. And my main point went over your head - college costs are a pain, and when contraception is not covered - it costs a hell of lot.

The Onion should have a post on this - the real costs of college for parents, including four years (3 for law school) of their kids screwing around, drinking and drugging.

I spent four years in college without doing any drinking at all or drugging beyond my prescription ADHD meds, though me and my left hand (I'm a southpaw) did get into a committed relationship durring my Senor year (I wish I could quit him)

256 darthstar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:37:39pm

re: #250 Gus

It's the Catholic in me. Can't shake it. ;)

Try doing the stations of the cross backward...it's just like going to a Led Zeppelin concert, only different.

257 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:37:48pm

re: #253 darthstar

Herman Cain's ad features a psychotic girl killing a goldfish.

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Why is Herman Cain still producing adds?

258 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:38:00pm

re: #252 Learned Mother of Zion

I know. I'm quite aware I'm a bit of a special snowflake. :D

259 darthstar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:38:28pm

re: #257 jamesfirecat

Why is Herman Cain still producing adds?

He's against the stimulus...of 2008.

260 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:40:10pm

Gah. I'm updating the Zionist Mall for Passover and all the links for one of my vendors have gone belly up.

Removing that vendor and linking those products to other vendors, or just deleting those products.

261 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:40:48pm

re: #246 windupbird is in the gravity well

I wonder what the dividing line is with a political figure who incites racial hate, when they die

Where does the line fall, what do you have to do to no longer get the civilized treatment

defamation clearly isn't enough. Attempting to ruin someone's life isn't enough.

if Don Black, founder of Stormfront, were to die tomorrow, would we be going "condolences to his family"?

I'll shed no tears, but hold my tongue for at least a day. I'll generally reserve any approval I might take of someone's passing for murderers, rapists, and others who have rendered themselves "irredeemable" in my eyes.

262 BrainSurfer  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:41:00pm

re: #259 darthstar

He's against the stimulus...of 2008.

Who stimulate who in 2008?

263 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:42:02pm

re: #243 BrainSurfer

Again, college has nothing to do with it. You still need contraception outside of college. And you've got a pretty disgusting attitude towards your own daughters.

264 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:42:03pm

re: #243 BrainSurfer

re: #223 Obdicut

Obviously, you don't have kids in college at this time. And my main point went over your head - college costs are a pain, and when contraception is not covered - it costs a hell of lot.

The Onion should have a post on this - the real costs of college for parents, including four years (3 for law school) of their kids screwing around, drinking and drugging.

College costs went over our heads? Seriously?

Do you know where your virgin kids are tonight?

265 darthstar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:42:03pm

re: #262 BrainSurfer

Who stimulate who in 2008?

2009. Go pleasure yourself as a reward for catching that. And it should have been "Who stimulated whom in 2008?"

266 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:42:21pm

re: #221 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

What audience are you then pandering to by ignoring all the intelligence you could absorb here?

They've decided that the quickest way to become enlightened is to huff helium.

267 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:43:37pm

re: #246 windupbird is in the gravity well

Some of the biggest monsters I've known in my life have been attentive, loving fathers.

The ability of people to compartmentalize is astonishing sometimes.

268 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:44:19pm

re: #246 windupbird is in the gravity well

If someone like our host Charles, someone who has been the direct target of absurd, defamatory attacks from Breitbart, has the decency to say on the day of Breitbart's death...

From all accounts, Andrew was a good family man who loved his wife and children, and I want to extend my sincere condolences for their loss.

... it shouldn't be at all difficult to comprehend the tone our host wishes to set for this forum.

269 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:44:52pm

Alex Jones says Andrew Breitbart was murdered because he was about to release a "damaging Obama video."

270 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:46:51pm

re: #260 Learned Mother of Zion

That sucks. Hope that doesn't stress you.

271 BrainSurfer  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:47:32pm

re: #265 darthstar

2009. Go pleasure yourself as a reward for catching that. And it should have been "Who stimulated whom in 2008?"

geez, you sound just like my fifth grade english teacher..... ok, whom..... but, she definitely didn't go the pleasure yourself route. But, ya got my point.

272 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:47:34pm

re: #269 Charles Johnson

Alex Jones says Andrew Breitbart was murdered because he was about to release a "damaging Obama video."

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It was akin to Shirley Sherrod video, I'll wager.

273 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:48:05pm

re: #269 Charles Johnson

Alex Jones says Andrew Breitbart was murdered because he was about to release a "damaging Obama video."

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Was just looking at that from a Tweet. If you would have asked me two weeks ago if I ever would have seen Breitbart as part of some crazed Alex Jones "murder" conspiracy. Well, we would have never guessed it would come to this.

274 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:49:01pm

re: #273 Gus

Was just looking at that from a Tweet. If you would have asked me two weeks ago if I ever would have seen Breitbart as part of some crazed Alex Jones "murder" conspiracy. Well, we would have never guessed it would come to this.

Two weeks ago you never would have guessed Breitbart dead today.

275 RexMundi  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:50:07pm

I

276 jaunte  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:50:21pm

re: #263 Obdicut

Those are just convenient fictional characters.

277 RexMundi  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:50:47pm

oops.

I said, I (heart) Sandra Fluke. But I did it with a greater than 3. heheh oops again.

278 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:51:03pm

re: #271 BrainSurfer

geez, you sound just like my fifth grade english teacher... ok, whom... but, she definitely didn't go the pleasure yourself route. But, ya got my point.

Well then to answer the obvious question, Obama stimulated the economy in 2009.

That's why you get graphs like this Image: 6046326348_60828aafd0.jpg

Let me know if you need any help interpreting it.

279 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:51:50pm

re: #276 jaunte

Well of course, just like he probably isn't a farmer or whatever convenient lie pops up next.

Just like it's fatuous and ridiculous to pretend that colleges should 'warn' parents about the cost of contraception, given that any responsible parent has already had that conversation with their kids, and, in most cases, gotten their daughter a prescription.

280 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:52:06pm

re: #273 Gus

Was just looking at that from a Tweet. If you would have asked me two weeks ago if I ever would have seen Breitbart as part of some crazed Alex Jones "murder" conspiracy. Well, we would have never guessed it would come to this.

Gotta love crazy Alex. He's made the most of that trust fund. Fortunately he's in *deep* South Austin. Not in my 'hood.

281 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:53:01pm

re: #243 BrainSurfer

re: #223 Obdicut

The Onion should have a post on this - the real costs of college for parents, including four years (3 for law school) of their kids screwing around, drinking and drugging.

Let's get real here. I get the impression that you never went to college, but I congratulate you on having your kids do so; I would guess with state assistance.

I have a real question: Given the fact that humans have a God given urge to fornicate, as demonstrated by the more than doubling of population in my lifetime not to mention the last 2000+ years, do you or do you not think it is socially beneficial to collectively have programs to limit population growth and cost of supporting unplanned pregnancies?

282 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:53:32pm

re: #269 Charles Johnson

Alex Jones says Andrew Breitbart was murdered because he was about to release a "damaging Obama video."

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Wow.

283 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:54:09pm

re: #246 windupbird is in the gravity well

I wonder what the dividing line is with a political figure who incites racial hate, when they die

Where does the line fall, what do you have to do to no longer get the civilized treatment

defamation clearly isn't enough. Attempting to ruin someone's life isn't enough.

if Don Black, founder of Stormfront, were to die tomorrow, would we be going "condolences to his family"?

That's when people with manners shut the hell up for a bit...

284 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:54:11pm

re: #279 Obdicut

I am the King of Siam. Everyday, I eat the finest caviar, drink the finest champagne, and have epic three-ways with gorgeous, Swedish flight attendants.

285 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:54:36pm

re: #281 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

Oh, he's all for those programs, if you read his posts. Or rather, he says he wants the insurance companies to pay for it, which is, well, you pay for health insurance, so it's not the insurance companies just flat out paying for it, but whatever.

He just also wants to spread the $3,000 a year line and talk about students screwing around.

'cuz he's a troll.

286 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:55:39pm

re: #284 Slumbering Behemoth

Swedes have the smallest breast size in Europe.

287 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:56:18pm

re: #284 Slumbering Behemoth

I am the King of Siam. Everyday, I eat the finest caviar, drink the finest champagne, and have epic three-ways with gorgeous, Swedish flight attendants.

God Bless SAS.

288 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:56:31pm

Crazy AM radio was replaced by the internet, Youtube, etc. What was once a newsletter that came every 30 days was replaced by the internet, Youtube, etc. So what was available between the hours of 2 AM and 5 AM, 5 days a week on a barely audible AM signal is now there at people's fingertips. What took waiting one whole month for a newsletter that came in the mail and all of 32 pages. Which is now billions of pages from billions of people. 24 hours a day. 7 days a week.

289 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:56:36pm

re: #286 Obdicut

Swedes have the smallest breast size in Europe.

I'm a "less is more" kind of guy. I prefer more modest endowments.

290 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:58:39pm

re: #285 Obdicut

Troll or fool. That is the question. Fools can be educated, trolls can only waste time.

I am going for fool.

Of course I could be the fool for being wrong.

291 Mich-again  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 6:59:38pm

Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Sheriff Joe..

All three are attention whores who couldn't bear to let Breitbart have the limelight for himself today.

292 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:00:03pm

The Jane's All World Military Aircraft at your local library would be missing most UAVs because it would likely be a 6 year old edition.

293 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:00:15pm

re: #288 Gus

INTERNET! FUCK YEAH!

/but there's also free pr0n, so I forgive it.

294 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:00:55pm

re: #291 Mich-again

Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Sheriff Joe..

That sounds like the answer to a really bad Carnac the Magnificent question.

295 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:01:46pm

re: #286 Obdicut

Swedes have the smallest breast size in Europe.

Not a breast man, myself. Minds, eyes, legs. Swedes are very educated.

296 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:02:35pm

re: #293 Slumbering Behemoth

INTERNET! FUCK YEAH!

/but there's also free pr0n, so I forgive it.

Yep. Of course the point being that this means more people are being exposed to more crazy. Much more than ever before. With the good comes the bad. And most of the internet is pretty much bad news. Maybe 50 percent? We never had so much access to crazy. We're fortunate in that we're more grounded to avoid these obsessions.

297 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:03:00pm

re: #246 windupbird is in the gravity well

if Don Black, founder of Stormfront, were to die tomorrow, would we be going "condolences to his family"?

"I did not attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." -- someone

298 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:03:14pm

Evening news is old news.

299 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:05:01pm

re: #295 austin_blue

Not a breast man, myself. Minds, eyes, legs. Swedes are very educated.

It's a random fact I learned when in Sweden from a woman who was complaining about the stereotype of big-busted Swedish women.

I like Sweden, but I honestly find most Swedes amazingly boring. Wonderful people, kind and generous.

300 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:06:43pm

re: #294 BongCrodny

That sounds like the answer to a really bad Carnac the Magnificent question.

Challenge Accepted!

:holds hermetically sealed envelope to forehead:

"A loon, a goon, and a cartoon".

301 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:07:33pm

re: #269 Charles Johnson

Alex Jones says Andrew Breitbart was murdered because he was about to release a "damaging Obama video."

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"A bystander saw him collapse while out on a walk in Brentwood shortly after midnight and called paramedics, who rushed him to the Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center where he was declared dead." -- Associated Press

There's nothing more dangerous than invisible government assassins.

302 Mich-again  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:07:37pm

Juan Cole weighs in on the death of Andrew Breitbart with the No True Scotsman explanation. Dear MSM: Andrew Breitbart was not a Blogger

303 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:08:42pm

IDiots caught being tricksy:

Second thoughts from Springer

A scientific publisher is having second thoughts about a forthcoming cryptocreationist volume, Inside Higher Ed reports (March 1, 2012). The volume in question, entitled Biological Information: New Perspectives, edited by R. J. Marks II, M. J. Behe, W. A. Dembski, B. L. Gordon, and J. C. Sanford, and slated to appear in a series of engineering books dubbed the Intelligent Systems Reference Library, was advertised by Springer as presenting "new perspectives regarding the nature and origin of biological information," demonstrating "how our traditional ideas about biological information are collapsing under the weight of new evidence," and written "by leading experts in the field" who had "gathered at Cornell University to discuss their research into the nature and origin of biological information."

In a February 27, 2012, post at The Panda's Thumb blog, however, Nick Matzke charged, "It looks like some creationist engineers found a way to slither some ID/creationism into a major academic publisher." He asked, "Do you think Springer commissioned any actual population geneticists to peer-review his work and his editing? Any actual biologists at mainstream institutions anywhere? [...]

Addressing the advertisement's claim that the papers derived from a conference at Cornell University, Matzke observed, "a few posts from attendees tell us what actually happened — the conference wasn’t advertised, mainstream scientists with relevant expertise were not invited to attend, and participants were told several times to suppress their apparently otherwise overwhelming tendency to bring in their religion and do fundamentalist apologetics like they do in most other venues. It was basically just another fake ID 'conference' [...]

Subsequently, information about the book disappeared from Springer's website. A spokesperson for Springer told Inside Higher Ed that although the initial proposal for the book was peer-reviewed, "once the complete manuscript had been submitted, the series editors became aware that additional peer review would be necessary [...]


John Sanford, one of the editors of the book and a courtesy associate professor at Cornell's Department of Horticulture told Inside Higher Ed, "Obviously we are only trying to exercise academic freedom and freedom of speech, and are challenging a sacred cow." In May 2005, before the "kangaroo court" on evolution orchestrated by three antievolutionist members of the state board of education in Kansas, Sanford testified that he believes the earth is between 5000 and 100,000 years old, that he rejects the general principle of common descent and the idea that humans are descended from prehominid ancestors, and that he agrees that "the teaching of science as is currently practiced is an indoctrination in naturalism."

ACADEMIC FREEDOM!! FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!

304 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:09:28pm

re: #302 Mich-again

Juan Cole weighs in on the death of Andrew Breitbart with the No True Scotsman explanation. Dear MSM: Andrew Breitbart was not a Blogger

Right. And Saudi Arabia I'd be facing the death penalty for blasphemy.

//

305 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:10:18pm

Just funnin' Thought this line was out of place:

Andrew Breitbart was many things, and in Britain would have been in jail for libel on several occasions. But he was not a blogger.

306 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:10:38pm

re: #300 Slumbering Behemoth

Challenge Accepted!

:holds hermetically sealed envelope to forehead:

"A loon, a goon, and a cartoon".

Rasssin Frassin Obama!

307 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:10:56pm

re: #296 Gus

We're fortunate in that we're more grounded to avoid these obsessions.

I'm fortunate in that I was inundated with bug-nuts crazy, imaginary monster style conspiracy theories by my own family at an early age, such that I can smell that insane bullshit faster than a shark can smell blood.

308 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:11:45pm

BTW, that approach - publishing articles about a certain topic in journals/books that are only circumstantially related to the hot-potato topic of concern, is true in the AGW denialist circuit also.

The engineering and applied science communities are a bit leakier in allowing suspect articles into print, than the pure science journals run by the professional organizations of scientists in basic science (physics, biology, etc.)

309 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:11:56pm

re: #300 Slumbering Behemoth

Challenge Accepted!

:holds hermetically sealed envelope to forehead:

"A loon, a goon, and a cartoon".

Ha! I was going to go with "A fool, a ghoul and a tool."

310 BrainSurfer  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:12:22pm

re: #285 Obdicut

Oh, he's all for those programs, if you read his posts. Or rather, he says he wants the insurance companies to pay for it, which is, well, you pay for health insurance, so it's not the insurance companies just flat out paying for it, but whatever.

He just also wants to spread the $3,000 a year line and talk about students screwing around.

'cuz he's a troll.

Obama wants the insurance companies to pay for it as well, what's the problem? And Sandra Fluke was the one to start the talk about screwing around.... as if college kids haven't been doing that for ages. $1000 or $3000 a year, doesn't really matter, unless you end up paying for it one way or another.

311 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:14:07pm

re: #310 BrainSurfer

Sandra Fluke was talking about a friend of hers who lost an ovary, you pathetic puke. Not about screwing around. You lying stupid hypocrite, claiming Rush has no honor for what he said and then going on to lie about her too, dickweed.

No more attention for you.

Asshole.

312 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:14:50pm

alex jones

in the old days we just had The Amazing Criswell

313 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:15:05pm

re: #306 jamesfirecat

Rasssin Frassin Obama!

Oh, it's like you can read my mind. Y.Sam is precisely who I was thinking of.

314 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:15:13pm

re: #300 Slumbering Behemoth

Challenge Accepted!

:holds hermetically sealed envelope to forehead:

"A loon, a goon, and a cartoon".

Who is featured in the next GOP debate?

315 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:15:38pm

re: #310 BrainSurfer

Obama wants the insurance companies to pay for it as well, what's the problem? And Sandra Fluke was the one to start the talk about screwing around... as if college kids haven't been doing that for ages. $1000 or $3000 a year, doesn't really matter, unless you end up paying for it one way or another.

Completely dishonest.

316 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:17:03pm

re: #314 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Who is featured in the next GOP debate?

beat me to it!

317 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:17:10pm

re: #307 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm fortunate in that I was inundated with bug-nuts crazy, imaginary monster style conspiracy theories by my own family at an early age, such that I can smell that insane bullshit faster than a shark can smell blood.

For me, being a strong atheist helps. I don't even believe in intelligent life on distant planets. It's possible but I'm not agnostic. Long story short I have this huge bullshit detector. Muck like you do. Never believed in any conspiracy. Luck, good luck charms, miracles, the afterlife, the beforelife... only what I see, hear, smell and taste. We've all seen atoms. About the weirdest I get is my theory that there is no such thing as nothingness WRT to space and physics. Which is way out of my league.

318 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:18:21pm

re: #310 BrainSurfer

Obama wants the insurance companies to pay for it as well, what's the problem? And Sandra Fluke was the one to start the talk about screwing around... as if college kids haven't been doing that for ages. $1000 or $3000 a year, doesn't really matter, unless you end up paying for it one way or another.

You're an idiot.

319 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:18:31pm

re: #314 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Who is featured in the next GOP debate?

Y. Sam can also be Ron Paul....

GOLD GOLD GOLD!

320 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:19:03pm

re: #314 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Who is featured in the next GOP debate?

The one for tonight and in five days were cancelled.

The next one scheduled is on PBS, and the participants are still listed as "TBD".

321 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:19:09pm

re: #310 BrainSurfer

Obama wants the insurance companies to pay for it as well, what's the problem? And Sandra Fluke was the one to start the talk about screwing around... as if college kids haven't been doing that for ages. $1000 or $3000 a year, doesn't really matter, unless you end up paying for it one way or another.

If. You. Don't Want. Contraception. Don't. Use. Contraception.

322 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:19:46pm

re: #309 BongCrodny

Ha! I was going to go with "A fool, a ghoul and a tool."

Equally excellent!

323 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:20:40pm

re: #320 freetoken

The one for tonight and in five days were cancelled.

The next one scheduled is on PBS, and the participants are still listed as "TBD".

"TBD"

i think that's what they're calling the actual 2012 republican nominee possibilities these days...

324 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:20:48pm

And don't confuse contraception with prophylactics. Now. Question for the right wing theologians. Should a prostitute with AIDs be able to refuse prophylactic use on religious grounds?

325 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:21:10pm

That was a nice big mortar. :)

326 Kronocide  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:21:20pm

re: #310 BrainSurfer

And Sandra Fluke was the one to start the talk about screwing around...

How did Fluke start talking about screwing around?

327 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:21:34pm

re: #324 Gus

And don't confuse contraception with prophylactics. Now. Question for the right wing theologians. Should a prostitute with AIDs be able to refuse prophylactic use on religious grounds?

You're making my heads hurt.

328 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:21:39pm

re: #323 engineer cat

"TBD"

i think that's what they're calling the actual 2012 republican nominee possibilities these days...

To Be Defeated (by Obama)

329 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:22:00pm

re: #327 BongCrodny

You're making my heads hurt.

Think what it's like to be me!

//

330 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:22:29pm

re: #324 Gus

And don't confuse contraception with prophylactics. Now. Question for the right wing theologians. Should a prostitute with AIDs be able to refuse prophylactic use on religious grounds?

I think you just caused a few brains to blue screen.

331 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:23:00pm

re: #330 Targetpractice

I think you just caused a few brains to blue screen.

Just thought of that question. Mongo like!

332 Mocking Jay  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:23:28pm

re: #310 BrainSurfer

Obama wants the insurance companies to pay for it as well, what's the problem? And Sandra Fluke was the one to start the talk about screwing around... as if college kids haven't been doing that for ages. $1000 or $3000 a year, doesn't really matter, unless you end up paying for it one way or another.

Choke on a dick.

333 jaunte  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:23:37pm

re: #324 Gus

And don't confuse contraception with prophylactics. Now. Question for the right wing theologians. Should a prostitute with AIDs be able to refuse prophylactic use on religious grounds?

Is there a Limbaugh in the picture?

334 BrainSurfer  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:24:05pm

re: #315 BongCrodny

Completely dishonest.

Can't handle truth, BongCrodny? That was Sandra's entire point. Contraceptives cost money and college insurance should pay for it... that it, should pay for all of their medical needs.

335 darthstar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:24:19pm

re: #310 BrainSurfer

Obama wants the insurance companies to pay for it as well, what's the problem? And Sandra Fluke was the one to start the talk about screwing around... as if college kids haven't been doing that for ages. $1000 or $3000 a year, doesn't really matter, unless you end up paying for it one way or another.

Oh, is somebody looking for a 'Fuck you'?

Fuck you.

Happy? Listen, Brainsurfer...I know you're training to be a troll, but don't you fucking dare start echoing moral judgments from Rush Fucking Limbaugh. Sandra Fluke was talking about a friend of hers who used birth control for a MEDICAL treatment...not pregnancy prevention, you fucking twit. Rush and his ass-sucking sycophants like yourself are too fucking retarded (yes, I said 'fucking retarded'...that's not an insult to Sarah Palin's kid who is developmentally disabled, but it is an insult to Sarah Palin who is FUCKING RETARDED) to understand simple English.

Now kindly go fuck yourself.

336 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:24:25pm

re: #324 Gus

And don't confuse contraception with prophylactics. Now. Question for the right wing theologians. Should a prostitute with AIDs be able to refuse prophylactic use on religious grounds?

Trivial tidbit: I actually got written up for offending someone when using that word in an inter office email.

For all they knew, I could have been talking about latex gloves.

337 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:25:17pm

re: #334 BrainSurfer

Can't handle truth, BongCrodny? That was Sandra's entire point. Contraceptives cost money and college insurance should pay for it... that it, should pay for all of their medical needs.

I really don't want to answer you, because, y'know, you're a dick.

338 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:25:51pm

Night Lizards. Been an interesting/conflicted day.

339 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:26:03pm

all this talk about the "cost" of contraception

what about the cost - to society, not just the couple involved - of not having contraception?

340 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:26:08pm

re: #336 Slumbering Behemoth

Trivial tidbit: I actually got written up for offending someone when using that word in an inter office email.

For all they knew, I could have been talking about latex gloves.

Really. Weird stuff man. I once got berated by some cubicle mate -- I was temping fortunately -- for saying "damn". She said something and I just looked at her listening. Responded with "oh."

341 BrainSurfer  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:26:43pm

re: #321 Gus

If. You. Don't Want. Contraception. Don't. Use. Contraception.

Excellent point, as long as you don't screw around, or are willing to risk getting pregnant, which is a really dumb move.

342 jaunte  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:26:53pm

re: #339 engineer cat

There's no reasoning behind it, it's just misogynistic bullshit.

343 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:27:56pm

re: #310 BrainSurfer

I have no idea what kind of creature you are to speculate about some poor woman's activities, but you are truly vile. Birth Control is used for other things than preventing Pregnancy, and preventing Pregnancy is not a bad thing. It means more stable families and kids who are better provided for.

But you don't care about that do you. You care about foisting your social ideals on others, and controlling people, especially women. You seem to want to erase the gains women have made in the last 50-100 years.

Or, in other words, FUCK YOU!!!

344 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:28:14pm

re: #339 engineer cat

all this talk about the "cost" of contraception

what about the cost - to society, not just the couple involved - of not having contraception?

The whole "cost" bit is the fall-back position due to finding nobody gives a shit if people of a particular religion are prevented from forcing their religion upon those not of the faith. Namely now they whine about how it shouldn't be "free," or don't think it "fair" that The Pill will be "free" but other drugs aren't.

345 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:28:21pm

re: #341 BrainSurfer

Excellent point, as long as you don't screw around, or are willing to risk getting pregnant, which is a really dumb move.

Or as long as you're willing to get ovarian cysts.

346 BrainSurfer  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:28:59pm

re: #337 BongCrodny

I really don't want to answer you, because, y'know, you're a dick.

because you really don't have an answer.

347 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:29:19pm

re: #339 engineer cat

all this talk about the "cost" of contraception

what about the cost - to society, not just the couple involved - of not having contraception?

Sluts should be punished by being blessed with a child.

348 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:29:59pm

re: #343 ProGunLiberal

I have no idea what kind of creature you are to speculate about some poor woman's activities, but you are truly vile. Birth Control is used for other things than preventing Pregnancy, and preventing Pregnancy is not a bad thing. It means more stable families and kids who are better provided for.

But you don't care about that do you. You care about foisting your social ideals on others, and controlling people, especially women. You seem to want to erase the gains women have made in the last 50-100 years.

Or, in other words, FUCK YOU!!!

///A little class is all I ask for...

349 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:30:14pm

re: #340 Gus

I got evil stares for debunking astrology once. Pro-tip: the corporate office is not the place to share facts, opinions, politics, ideas about religion, or just about any fucking thing that makes us what we are.

In short, the corporate office ain't no place for a Behemoth.

350 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:30:27pm

Why can't we get a Bill Buckley like right wing troll? Is it too much to ask?

351 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:30:34pm

re: #336 Slumbering Behemoth

Trivial tidbit: I actually got written up for offending someone when using that word in an inter office email.

For all they knew, I could have been talking about latex gloves.

truly

i once used the word at a software design meeting to describe a preventative approach

made the other engineers sit up and take notice

352 Kronocide  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:31:41pm

re: #346 BrainSurfer

because you really don't have an answer.

Your answer is for sluts to keep their legs closed because you don't think it's right for health care to enable sluts. You obviously think contraception is only so women can have sex and not get pregnant.

What is your position on Viagra?

353 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:31:50pm

re: #349 Slumbering Behemoth

I got evil stares for debunking astrology once. Pro-tip: the corporate office is not the place to share facts, opinions, politics, ideas about religion, or just about any fucking thing that makes us what we are.

In short, the corporate office ain't no place for a Behemoth.

Oh jeez. Astrology, rocks, karma, homeopathy, touch healing, pyramids... This is for me obviously. Not saying that people don't have a right to this, stuff.

354 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:32:51pm

re: #345 Kragar

Or as long as you're willing to get ovarian cysts.

That ex-girlfriend that I sometimes reference as having been prescribed the pill for her irregular hormones? She had some before she went on the pill. Was a really sobering "this could be cancer" scare.

355 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:33:46pm

re: #341 BrainSurfer

Excellent point, as long as you don't screw around, or are willing to risk getting pregnant, which is a really dumb move.

Again. You're imposing your own morals on others. It's not realistic because worse case scenario, people will behave badly. You can't socially engineer people and expect good outcomes as you suggest. This is why you hand out free needles in needle exchanges. You can't will people to be as you.

356 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:34:19pm

re: #346 BrainSurfer

because you really don't have an answer.

Here. Here's the transcript of Sandra Fluke's testimony from February 23rd.

Sandra Fluke transcript.

Get back to me when you get to the part about "screwing around."

Or -- don't bother. I'm done with you.

357 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:34:36pm

re: #346 BrainSurfer

No, it's because you are colossal misogynistic asshole. Or, rather, your one of many inflamed putrid hemorrhoids on the ass of America. You are something of no value at all. All you want to do is inflict people with misery. Why, I cannot say, but I would have to guess that it is because you yourself are a miserable human being. A miserable failure.

358 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:35:01pm

re: #334 BrainSurfer

Can't handle truth, BongCrodny? That was Sandra's entire point. Contraceptives cost money and college insurance should pay for it... that it, should pay for all of their medical needs.

I picture a world in which there is a video of BrainSurfer licking a dog's ass until it bleeds...

That would be a visual validation of his essence. And I *really* feel bad for the doggie.

359 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:35:06pm

re: #355 Gus

You can't will people to be as you.

You just say that because you've never mastered Voodoo.

360 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:35:36pm

re: #346 BrainSurfer

Damn, I can't wait for you to go full-on psycho in a post, so that Stinky finally gives you the boot.

/I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul

361 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:35:39pm

re: #359 freetoken

You just say that because you've never mastered Voodoo.

Nope! But I am very willing to listen to Voodoo music.

362 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:35:40pm

re: #353 Gus

Should have went with the double entendre "CRYSTAL HEALING ROCKS"!!!

363 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:36:16pm

re: #341 BrainSurfer

Charles, if I may humbly beseech thee. it's time to let stinky have this one.

364 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:37:01pm

A well enlightened society, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of women to acquire contraception shall not be infringed.

365 Kronocide  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:37:13pm

Maybe BrainSurfer doesn't have sisters or interact with other women. But its been pretty clear for a long time that even sexually inactive women take hormone based birth control to moderate their periods.

The point is contraception means condoms means women having sex for pleasure. But for fucks sake, condoms don't cost a lot of money. So this whole charade about objectivity considering health care costs for women having casual sex is categorically disingenuous.

366 Mocking Jay  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:38:21pm

In case you haven't seen it yet, here's the new Avengers trailer.

I've had to change my underwear four times today.

367 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:39:47pm

re: #365 Kronocide

Condoms really don't cost all that much. But that is not at all what this issue is about. Even Rush is smart enough to know this, though he pretends otherwise to the detriment of all.

368 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:40:01pm

re: #341 BrainSurfer

Excellent point, as long as you don't screw around, or are willing to risk getting pregnant, which is a really dumb move.

Why are you deliberately glossing over the fact that women use contraceptives to prevent things like endometriosis. That was the reason Sandra Fluke went to congress, she wanted to discuss her friend at school who had been diagnosed with polycystic ovarian syndrome. She wanted to testify that her friend had developed tumors and lost an ovary a few months after she could no longer afford the birth control pills that were prescribed to keep her medical condition in check.

This is what people are reacting to, when you said "Sandra Fluke was the one to start the talk about screwing around," that was either a blatant lie or a statement rooted in an absolutely stunning level of ignorance. Her whole point was that birth control pills are prophylactic against far more than just pregnancy.

So either you are a liar or you're just a stupid little piece of trash, which is it?

369 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:40:30pm

One of the greatest tweets of all time:

370 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:40:43pm

I don't want guns. I don't want to live in a house full of guns and going hunting all the time. Or waiting for the next home invasion. That doesn't mean I want others to be like me. If you want a "safe house" I'll draw one in for you.

371 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:41:36pm

BrainSuffer

372 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:42:02pm

re: #368 goddamnedfrank

I assume he is a stupid little piece of trash. He is easier to handle that way.

I assume I may have been too harsh with my last message?

373 Mocking Jay  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:42:48pm

re: #371 Gus

BrainSuffer

BrainFluffer?

374 jaunte  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:43:07pm

re: #368 goddamnedfrank

Both.

375 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:43:15pm

re: #370 Gus

"Don't like guns? Don't have one".

376 jaunte  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:43:50pm

Will Saletan ‏ @saletan
Orrin Hatch calls the contraception insurance mandate an abuse of "the little guy." Corporations aren't just people. They're little people!

377 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:44:04pm

re: #366 The Right Height

In case you haven't seen it yet, here's the new Avengers trailer.

I've had to change my underwear four times today.

[Embedded content]

I've died and have gone to geek heaven.

378 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:44:32pm

re: #346 BrainSurfer

because you really don't have an answer.

Obeisance to the language of civility doesn't change that you're engaged in a more basic form of rudeness by ignoring what other people say while projecting your "interpretations" onto them...Sandra Fluke, posters on this board, etc.

But then again, you're a troll engaging in a predictable arc.

379 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:44:44pm

Bill Hicks analyzes Rush Limbaugh:

Warning: NSFW, and NS for RWNJ.

380 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:45:21pm

re: #366 The Right Height

In case you haven't seen it yet, here's the new Avengers trailer.

I've had to change my underwear four times today.

[Embedded content]

Well.

Perhaps on Netflix.

(which is more than most superzero flicks that aren't X-Men get)

381 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:46:04pm

re: #379 Charles Johnson

Bill Hicks analyzes Rush Limbaugh:

[Embedded content]Warning: NSFW, and NS for RWNJ.

Good ol' Bill. What a loss.

382 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:46:18pm

re: #377 BongCrodny

I've died and have gone to geek heaven.

Let me give you the icing on the cake...

Ryan Reynolds Hints at R-Rated ‘Deadpool’ Movie

383 Kronocide  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:46:47pm

re: #367 Slumbering Behemoth

Condoms really don't cost all that much. But that is not at all what this issue is about. Even Rush is smart enough to know this, though he pretends otherwise to the detriment of all.

Exactly. But Rush assumes or is implying that Fluke is spending $1k on condoms a year. That's the meme, the ploy, the slip.

So the implication that health care support should not pay for unprotected casual sex for pleasure is a ruse to create some objective argument that publicly supported health care should not pay for women engage in casual sex... but what if she's married? What about viagra, or other 'quality of life' remedies?

This is a pathetic straw man.

384 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:46:59pm

re: #382 Kragar

Let me give you the icing on the cake...

Ryan Reynolds Hints at R-Rated ‘Deadpool’ Movie

Only R-Rated?

385 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:47:32pm

re: #379 Charles Johnson

I referenced that the other night, but didn't have the fortitude to link it. As comedic fantasies go, that one is pretty gross.

386 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:48:35pm

re: #384 Targetpractice

Only R-Rated?

In some theater's he'll be leaving the screen to shoot members of the audience, but I've said too much.

387 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:49:02pm

re: #330 Targetpractice

I think you just caused a few brains to blue screen.

can you read their hex dumps?

388 Kronocide  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:49:08pm

re: #368 goddamnedfrank

This is what people are reacting to, when you said "Sandra Fluke was the one to start the talk about screwing around," that was either a blatant lie or a statement rooted in an absolutely stunning level of ignorance. Her whole point was that birth control pills are prophylactic against far more than just pregnancy.

So either you are a liar or you're just a stupid little piece of trash, which is it?

I think it's both.

389 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:53:10pm

A priest that will have intercourse with a woman will obviously use a condom. So the answer is: yes.

390 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:53:47pm

re: #383 Kronocide

Exactly. But Rush assumes or is implying that Fluke is spending $1k on condoms a year. That's the meme, the ploy, the slip.

So the implication that health care support should not pay for unprotected casual sex for pleasure is a ruse to create some objective argument that publicly supported health care should not pay for women engage in casual sex... but what if she's married? What about viagra, or other 'quality of life' remedies?

This is a pathetic straw man.

If we take all of the factors and statements involved and apply troll logic, it's almost like Rush and pals are that men need condoms and Viagra to have casual sex with something other than women....

391 BrainSurfer  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:53:50pm

re: #365 Kronocide

Maybe BrainSurfer doesn't have sisters or interact with other women. But its been pretty clear for a long time that even sexually inactive women take hormone based birth control to moderate their periods.

The point is contraception means condoms means women having sex for pleasure. But for fucks sake, condoms don't cost a lot of money. So this whole charade about objectivity considering health care costs for women having casual sex is categorically disingenuous.

I think the point of contraception means birth control pills for a woman so that she minimizes the risk of getting pregnant from having sex with a man who "at the time" does not have a condom, or the condom breaks or leaks. Use of birth control pills for medical reasons alone would be a minority reason. Contraception would also mean use of the "morning-after pill", as well as condoms, which are far from fool-proof.

Anyone here who says birth control pills are not taken by college age women primarily to avoid the risk of pregnancy is in my opinion not being honest. (And I am well aware of use for birth control pills for medical reasons.)

College women who engage in sex, however, infrequently, and who do not use birth control are not being smart.

This whole debate is just about who should pay for such contraception. Obama says insurance companies should provide it and catholic colleges should fine a way to live with this system.

392 Mocking Jay  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:54:35pm

Damn. Lawrence O'Donnell just had a pretty touching moment talking about Breitbart.

393 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:55:56pm

re: #391 BrainSurfer

I think the point of contraception means birth control pills for a woman so that she minimizes the risk of getting pregnant from having sex with a man who "at the time" does not have a condom, or the condom breaks or leaks. Use of birth control pills for medical reasons alone would be a minority reason. Contraception would also mean use of the "morning-after pill", as well as condoms, which are far from fool-proof.

Anyone here who says birth control pills are not taken by college age women primarily to avoid the risk of pregnancy is in my opinion not being honest. (And I am well aware of use for birth control pills for medical reasons.)

College women who engage in sex, however, infrequently, and who do not use birth control are not being smart.

This whole debate is just about who should pay for such contraception. Obama says insurance companies should provide it and catholic colleges should fine a way to live with this system.

The issue is that those minority of women who need birth control pills for reasons beyond contraception, THEY REALLY NEED THEM and it would be horrible insensitive/cruel of anyone to try and deny them access to them.

394 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:56:58pm

re: #382 Kragar

Let me give you the icing on the cake...

Ryan Reynolds Hints at R-Rated ‘Deadpool’ Movie

I'd pay money to see Deadpool kill Green Lantern.

396 Kragar  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:58:42pm

re: #394 BongCrodny

I'd pay money to see Deadpool kill Green Lantern.

Image: 20090720.jpg

397 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:59:44pm

re: #395 Slumbering Behemoth

"I didn't know 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' had a footnote".

Thou Shalt Always Kill

398 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:59:45pm

re: #391 BrainSurfer

I think the point of contraception means birth control pills for a woman so that she minimizes the risk of getting pregnant from having sex with a man who "at the time" does not have a condom, or the condom breaks or leaks. Use of birth control pills for medical reasons alone would be a minority reason. Contraception would also mean use of the "morning-after pill", as well as condoms, which are far from fool-proof.

Anyone here who says birth control pills are not taken by college age women primarily to avoid the risk of pregnancy is in my opinion not being honest. (And I am well aware of use for birth control pills for medical reasons.)

College women who engage in sex, however, infrequently, and who do not use birth control are not being smart.

This whole debate is just about who should pay for such contraception. Obama says insurance companies should provide it and catholic colleges should fine a way to live with this system.

You're such a bird brain. Don't you understand? If a person of a religious faith is truly committed to not using birth control they won't use it. If someone is opposed to using birth control accepts insurance coverage for birth control then they're not truly committed to their alleged beliefs. You can't even look at it that way?

399 Mocking Jay  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 7:59:55pm

re: #395 Slumbering Behemoth

"I didn't know 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' had a footnote".

It doesn't. The Big Guy made this pretty clear...

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

400 elizajane  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:02:01pm

I think it was a weak standpoint to begin with that they had somebody testify that birth control should be covered because her friend lost an ovary. I mean, the argument ought to be that birth control should be covered because it is a prescription drug that prevents unwanted pregnancy. Period. That is a perfectly good reason for it to be covered by health insurance. This is not about recreation, it is about normal life and physical health.

401 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:02:01pm
402 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:03:18pm

re: #397 Killgore Trout

"Thou shalt not use poetry, art, or music to get into girls' pants. Use it to get into their heads".

Same difference, right?
/

403 Kronocide  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:04:56pm

re: #391 BrainSurfer

I think the point of contraception means birth control pills for a woman so that she minimizes the risk of getting pregnant from having sex with a man who "at the time" does not have a condom, or the condom breaks or leaks. Use of birth control pills for medical reasons alone would be a minority reason. Contraception would also mean use of the "morning-after pill", as well as condoms, which are far from fool-proof.

Anyone here who says birth control pills are not taken by college age women primarily to avoid the risk of pregnancy is in my opinion not being honest. (And I am well aware of use for birth control pills for medical reasons.)

College women who engage in sex, however, infrequently, and who do not use birth control are not being smart.

This whole debate is just about who should pay for such contraception. Obama says insurance companies should provide it and catholic colleges should fine a way to live with this system.

But there is no distinction between birth control to moderate health issues and to protect against pregnancy. You're just saying 'well, most of it is for protecting against pregnancy so the church has a right to protest.' Which is intellectually lazy, careless.

This whole thing about the church not being able to control their morality clashing with the government advocating for women's health.

404 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:06:17pm

My daddy taught me a long time ago to never dance on a man's grave.

405 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:07:25pm

re: #380 William Barnett-Lewis

Well.

Perhaps on Netflix.

(which is more than most superzero flicks that aren't X-Men get)

Ah, This is my inner geek rejoicing.

406 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:08:57pm

re: #402 Slumbering Behemoth

"Thou shalt not use poetry, art, or music to get into girls' pants. Use it to get into their heads".

Same difference, right?
/

There's a difference between shooting somebody and throwing a bullet at them.

407 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:10:22pm

re: #391 BrainSurfer

This whole debate is just about who should pay for such contraception. Obama says insurance companies should provide it and catholic colleges should fine a way to live with this system.

If I have various safety-oriented features on my car, my auto insurance provider happily gives me a break (or waives the higher charges that would otherwise incur, depending on your perspective). In a sense, they are paying me to have antilock brakes, airbags, and other features.

Most life insurance policies are less expensive for non-smokers. In a sense, life insurance policy holders are being paid not to use tobacco.

Unless denying maternity-related coverage (or equally likely, price gouging women just for being women) is on the drawing board, any insurer who opts not to cover contraception, it seems to me, is opting instead for an increased risk of having to cover tens of thousands of dollars worth of prenatal care, delivery, and postnatal care -- assuming everything goes flawlessly. If Baby is 6 weeks premature, then we're into probably a couple hundred thousand for a few weeks of neonatal ICU care.

Withholding a couple thousand on The Pill because of the capricious whims of the Skywizard's self-sanctified representatives on earth seems dumb, to put it mildly.

Unless I'm just utterly wrong, in which case someone will speak up.

408 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:12:20pm

re: #405 William Barnett-Lewis

Ah, This is my inner geek rejoicing.

[Embedded content]

That's definitely a fake.

409 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:12:27pm

re: #404 Gus

Confession time...

I've never liked the Grateful Dead. Their music just never appealed to me, though it did to many of my high school friends.

Anyway, back in the 90's I was listening to the radio just after crawling out of bed when they announced that Jerry Garcia had died. I caught myself just as I was about to do a happy dance and thought "Wait a damn minute. What the fuck is wrong with me? Just because I don't like their music or their message, I should be happy at this man's passing? No, no. Bad Behemoth".

Just one step in the long path away from wingnutistan.

410 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:12:32pm

Pinkie: What are we going to do tonight Brainsurfer?

Brainsurfer: The same thing we do every night Pinkie. Try to troll the Lizards!

//

411 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:12:46pm

Bob Wright and Matt Yglesias discussing reactions to Breitbart's death:

[Link: bloggingheads.tv...]

412 BrainSurfer  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:14:30pm

re: #398 Gus

You're such a bird brain. Don't you understand? If a person of a religious faith is truly committed to not using birth control they won't use it. If someone is opposed to using birth control accepts insurance coverage for birth control then they're not truly committed to their alleged beliefs. You can't even look at it that way?

Uh.... that's the way I see things, too.

To play your bird-brained devil's advocate, would it not be fair to say that someone thinking of attending a school which has strong, committed religious beliefs should know, or at least try to find out, exactly what they are getting into if they decide to attend that school? If so, then why should they be surprised to learn that such school is serious about their beliefs once they are there. Right now the political mood is such that catholic beliefs can and should be challenged to push a more liberal agenda nationally. Birth control and abortion for all is part of that push.

413 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:15:27pm

re: #408 Targetpractice

That's definitely a fake.

Wah. Oh, well that's what I get for a fast skim just hoping for a new one. :)

414 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:15:34pm

re: #391 BrainSurfer

Use of birth control pills for medical reasons alone would be a minority reason.

What's your point? The fact that it's a "minority reason" doesn't invalidate the very real need these women have. Also, "medical reasons alone" is the wrong criteria, what you need to know is how many women use birth control pills in part for reasons above and beyond preventing pregnancy. This is because the fact that they're also interested in the birth control aspects of the medication doesn't invalidate the other concomitant medical reasons justifying their use.

Here, let me do your homework for you, since you're either far too stupid or dishonest to do it yourself:

The most common reason U.S. women use oral contraceptive pills is to prevent pregnancy, but 14% of pill users—1.5 million women—rely on them exclusively for noncontraceptive purposes. The study documenting this finding, “Beyond Birth Control: The Overlooked Benefits of Oral Contraceptive Pills,” by Rachel K. Jones of the Guttmacher Institute, also found that more than half (58%) of all pill users rely on the method, at least in part, for purposes other than pregnancy prevention—meaning that only 42% use the pill exclusively for contraceptive reasons.

So there you go, a plurality of women use the pill for reasons above and beyond preventing pregnancy.

415 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:15:39pm

re: #411 freetoken

Bob Wright and Matt Yglesias discussing reactions to Breitbart's death:

[Link: bloggingheads.tv...]

Can't do it. Those two aren't on my reading list. :) Maybe I'll peek.

416 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:16:05pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

Don't tell the AFP.

/callback

417 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:17:01pm

I iz causing trouble on Twitter. //

418 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:17:03pm

re: #413 William Barnett-Lewis

Wah. Oh, well that's what I get for a fast skim just hoping for a new one. :)

Don't worry, they announced last year that Fox has begun work on X-Men 4, with the promise of an X-Men 5. But it's not hard to tell that that's mostly spliced together bits from the previous films, along with films from different movie studios (semi-truck getting blown up from The Dark Knight).

419 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:17:21pm

re: #412 BrainSurfer

... Right now the political mood is such that catholic beliefs can and should be challenged to push a more liberal agenda nationally.

Gosh, what's next, challenging the Pope on his absolute authority to speak for God?

420 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:17:55pm

Oh right. Brain-Suffer is still on deck.

421 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:18:07pm

re: #412 BrainSurfer

Uh... that's the way I see things, too.

To play your bird-brained devil's advocate, would it not be fair to say that someone thinking of attending a school which has strong, committed religious beliefs should know, or at least try to find out, exactly what they are getting into if they decide to attend that school? If so, then why should they be surprised to learn that such school is serious about their beliefs once they are there. Right now the political mood is such that catholic beliefs can and should be challenged to push a more liberal agenda nationally. Birth control and abortion for all is part of that push.

If the catholic church didn't want to offer the same benefits as every other business in their field, they should get out of that field.

Don't open up hospitals if you care more about "being moral" than saving lives.

Don't open up a school if you care more about "being moral' than seeing that your students get what they need to attend classes and be physically healthy.

422 Kronocide  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:18:54pm

re: #412 BrainSurfer

Uh... that's the way I see things, too.

To play your bird-brained devil's advocate, would it not be fair to say that someone thinking of attending a school which has strong, committed religious beliefs should know, or at least try to find out, exactly what they are getting into if they decide to attend that school? If so, then why should they be surprised to learn that such school is serious about their beliefs once they are there. Right now the political mood is such that catholic beliefs can and should be challenged to push a more liberal agenda nationally. Birth control and abortion for all is part of that push.

Ah, Devil's Advocate. So what about the women who use contraceptives to deal with health issues and not prevent pregnancy?

Screw em?

(pun intended)

423 compound_Idaho  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:19:29pm

re: #407 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

Georgetown offers health insurance for a fee ($1850/yr.). Students do not have to buy the policy offered by the university. The school only requires students have coverage.

I did a quick eheathinsurance.com search in my zip code based on a 21 yr. old women. 44 policies to chose from. Interestingly, most were less than $1,850/yr.

424 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:19:53pm

re: #418 Targetpractice

Don't worry, they announced last year that Fox has begun work on X-Men 4, with the promise of an X-Men 5. But it's not hard to tell that that's mostly spliced together bits from the previous films, along with films from different movie studios (semi-truck getting blown up from The Dark Knight).

Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter.

Because he was already so awesome he needed to be tall just to contain all his awesomeness.

Yes, actually, I'm a major Abraham Lincoln fan.

425 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:20:27pm

re: #391 BrainSurfer

This whole debate is just about who should pay for such contraception. Obama says insurance companies should provide it and catholic colleges should fine a way to live with this system.

Actually, people who receive it pay for insurance, directly or indirectly. I have no doubt that insurance companies, who know the odds better than anyone, would think it a profitable policy to include "preventative" coverage to include birth control, as they do in do in other ways.

People like you with your sexual hangups, and the well known ones of the celibate portion of the Catholic church (but not 98% of Catholic women) along with pandering Republican politicians are the ones who are the hypocrites here.

426 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:20:28pm

re: #415 Gus

Can't do it. Those two aren't on my reading list. :) Maybe I'll peek.

Mostly just the usual filler, but Wright does bring up the point that the legacy is still "congealing" so that there is sort of a battle underway to define exactly what Breitbart did - whether it was good and bad, as this will influence others.

My opinion is made up - Breitbart chose of his own free will to degrade others and to distort the truth, for the sake of money and fame, and thus I do not mind not having to see my society around me have to deal with his distortions anymore.

427 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:21:36pm

re: #412 BrainSurfer

Uh... that's the way I see things, too.

To play your bird-brained devil's advocate, would it not be fair to say that someone thinking of attending a school which has strong, committed religious beliefs should know, or at least try to find out, exactly what they are getting into if they decide to attend that school? If so, then why should they be surprised to learn that such school is serious about their beliefs once they are there. Right now the political mood is such that catholic beliefs can and should be challenged to push a more liberal agenda nationally. Birth control and abortion for all is part of that push.

Georgetown's insurance provides contraception for faculty and staff, but not for students. So it appears that the schools "strong, committed religious beliefs" are something that only the rubes believe in.

428 Kronocide  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:22:27pm

I wonder what the Church's issues with paying for contraception for married women are.

429 BrainSurfer  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:22:36pm

re: #407 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

If I have various safety-oriented features on my car, my auto insurance provider happily gives me a break (or waives the higher charges that would otherwise incur, depending on your perspective). In a sense, they are paying me to have antilock brakes, airbags, and other features.

Most life insurance policies are less expensive for non-smokers. In a sense, life insurance policy holders are being paid not to use tobacco.

Unless denying maternity-related coverage (or equally likely, price gouging women just for being women) is on the drawing board, any insurer who opts not to cover contraception, it seems to me, is opting instead for an increased risk of having to cover tens of thousands of dollars worth of prenatal care, delivery, and postnatal care -- assuming everything goes flawlessly. If Baby is 6 weeks premature, then we're into probably a couple hundred thousand for a few weeks of neonatal ICU care.

Withholding a couple thousand on The Pill because of the capricious whims of the Skywizard's self-sanctified representatives on earth seems dumb, to put it mildly.

Unless I'm just utterly wrong, in which case someone will speak up.

Auto insurance companies also give reduced rates to smart kids over dumb kids. Life is definitely not fair.

Absolutely agree that insurance companies would prefer to pay for contraception far more than for births, and for abortions than for births. It is far more cost efficient. Long term, less babies, avoided or aborted, means lower insurance costs. Makes perfect sense.

Then again, there are many in this world who hold strong beliefs - e.g. Catholic leaders and birth control, Islamic leaders and women's rights.

430 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:23:02pm

re: #424 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter.

Because he was already so awesome he needed to be tall just to contain all his awesomeness.

Yes, actually, I'm a major Abraham Lincoln fan.

I'm definitely going to see it when it comes out. But the one I'm waiting for doesn't come out til December, and that's World War Z.

431 allegro  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:23:08pm

re: #412 BrainSurfer

Right now the political mood is such that catholic beliefs can and should be challenged to push a more liberal agenda nationally. Birth control and abortion for all is part of that push.

The catholic church is pushing a conservative agenda on non-catholics using the public dime to do it and has been for some years. Church members are threatened with excommunication and are refused the sacrament if they choose to vote the wrong way. Non-catholic employees of hospitals and schools that are largely supported by federal tax dollars are being subjected to denial of insurance coverage of their prescription medications that offend the morality of a bunch of bishops.

The only liberal push is a push BACK.

432 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:24:39pm

re: #428 Kronocide

I wonder what the Church's issues with paying for contraception for married women are.

Uhh, the church is only against contraception when it could lead to conception...only the logical follows....//

433 Gus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:25:56pm

re: #426 freetoken

Mostly just the usual filler, but Wright does bring up the point that the legacy is still "congealing" so that there is sort of a battle underway to define exactly what Breitbart did - whether it was good and bad, as this will influence others.

My opinion is made up - Breitbart chose of his own free will to degrade others and to distort the truth, for the sake of money and fame, and thus I do not mind not having to see my society around me have to deal with his distortions anymore.

It's like I just told Bob Cesca. Breitbart didn't invent the genre. The fight goes on.

434 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:26:36pm

re: #423 compound_Idaho

Georgetown offers health insurance for a fee ($1850/yr.). Students do not have to buy the policy offered by the university. The school only requires students have coverage.

I did a quick eheathinsurance.com search in my zip code based on a 21 yr. old women. 44 policies to chose from. Interestingly, most were less than $1,850/yr.

Big deductibles, though.

435 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:28:47pm

re: #434 BongCrodny

Big deductibles, though.

Deductibles do not usually include prescription, nor preventative costs beyond the copay.

436 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:29:27pm

re: #418 Targetpractice

Don't worry, they announced last year that Fox has begun work on X-Men 4, with the promise of an X-Men 5. But it's not hard to tell that that's mostly spliced together bits from the previous films, along with films from different movie studios (semi-truck getting blown up from The Dark Knight).

Cool. I didn't look close enough I suppose.

I should go order First Class from netflix.

437 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:29:56pm

re: #436 William Barnett-Lewis

Cool. I didn't look close enough I suppose.

I should go order First Class from netflix.

Twas good stuff.

438 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:30:30pm

re: #428 Kronocide

I wonder what the Church's issues with paying for contraception for married women are.

Considering the fact that Il Papa just came out telling infertile, married couples that they should just deal with "God's Plan" and not seek fertility treatments, I'd say the the Church's issues are based on highly interpretive fantasies derived from fictional material.

439 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:31:39pm

re: #438 Slumbering Behemoth

Considering the fact that Il Papa just came out telling infertile, married couples that they should just deal with "God's Plan" and not seek fertility treatments, I'd say the the Church's issues are based on highly interpretive fantasies derived from fictional material.

Or that Il Papa is a couple decades behind the rest of us on the technological curve.

440 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:32:35pm

re: #428 Kronocide

I wonder what the Church's issues with paying for contraception for married women are.

Ask them: [Link: www.catholic.com...]

441 BrainSurfer  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:33:36pm

re: #421 jamesfirecat

If the catholic church didn't want to offer the same benefits as every other business in their field, they should get out of that field.

Don't open up hospitals if you care more about "being moral" than saving lives.

Don't open up a school if you care more about "being moral' than seeing that your students get what they need to attend classes and be physically healthy.

It is inaccurate to consider a Catholic organization - a religious organization - to be just like any other business. But, your point to getting out of their fields if they don't like the mandate - they might just decide to do that - close schools, hospitals, charity organizations.

442 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:34:41pm

So can we have single payer yet and get old white men who believe in fairy tales the fuck away from vaginas forever

443 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:34:55pm

re: #441 BrainSurfer

It is inaccurate to consider a Catholic organization - a religious organization - to be just like any other business. But, your point to getting out of their fields if they don't like the mandate - they might just decide to do that - close schools, hospitals, charity organizations.

And be seen as assholes, just as they were for choosing to close down adoption agencies rather than abide by regulations that prevented them from discriminating against gay couples.

444 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:35:30pm

re: #438 Slumbering Behemoth

Considering the fact that Il Papa just came out telling infertile, married couples that they should just deal with "God's Plan" and not seek fertility treatments, I'd say the the Church's issues are based on highly interpretive fantasies derived from fictional material.

In some way I am surprised they couldn't figure out how to hear an OK for fertility treatment (after all it only takes a statement that the Pope heard the Word) since the objective has always been to increase the flock, as they have done almost as well as the Muslims for similar social control reasons.

445 jaunte  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:35:59pm

re: #423 compound_Idaho

Try it in the Georgetown zip code, 20007. The annual fee range is from $1,100 to $2,400 or so, with deductibles of $2,700 - $7,500 on the lower end of the monthly fee.
[Link: www.ehealthinsurance.com...]

446 allegro  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:36:31pm

re: #441 BrainSurfer

It is inaccurate to consider a Catholic organization - a religious organization - to be just like any other business. But, your point to getting out of their fields if they don't like the mandate - they might just decide to do that - close schools, hospitals, charity organizations.

Hey, free market. But give up all those faith-based millions? Please. The threats are just juvenile.

447 compound_Idaho  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:37:02pm

re: #434 BongCrodny

Big deductibles, though.

Some are high. Some are as low. The number that is rarely advertised but is worth paying close attention to is the annual max out of pocket. Those 80/20 or 70/30 co pays cam stick you with a very high bill even with a low deductible.

448 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:37:38pm

re: #446 allegro

Hey, free market. But give up all those faith-based millions? Please. The threats are just juvenile.

Not just the millions made, but also all the federal dollars from grants, scholarships, etc. Agreed, no chance they'll ever go through with the threats.

449 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:37:51pm

re: #441 BrainSurfer

It is inaccurate to consider a Catholic organization - a religious organization - to be just like any other business. But, your point to getting out of their fields if they don't like the mandate - they might just decide to do that - close schools, hospitals, charity organizations.

They ought to. For many, many years they've been taking federal tax dollars to operate such facilities while themselves being exempt from paying taxes, as well as demanding, and overwhelmingly getting, exemption from federal rules that would normally apply to other organizations accepting federal tax dollars.

If ever there was a super-special snowflake...

450 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:38:48pm

re: #445 jaunte

Try it in the Georgetown zip code, 20007. The annual fee range is from $1,100 to $2,400 or so, with deductibles of $2,700 - $7,500 on the lower end of the monthly fee.
[Link: www.ehealthinsurance.com...]

The deductibles are probably not including Rx.

451 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:38:56pm

re: #435 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

Deductibles do not usually include prescription, nor preventative costs beyond the copay.

I do see that on compound's ehealth list; my mistake.

452 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:39:13pm

re: #442 windupbird is in the gravity well

I've been a proponent of a nationalize health care service for coverage of socially impact-full issues wrt health. While this would mostly cover contagious diseases, including STDs, I think it also ought to cover mental health and preventative medicine of many kinds.

Leave "insurance" for the original design of said products - pooling risks for financial back-up when catastrophic events happen - after all, only a small portion of the population will be paralyzed by an auto accident, or get a ladder felled upon them, etc.

And then leave the truly optional stuff - like teeth whitening or aesthetic enhancements - to each individual pocket.

453 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:39:41pm

re: #428 Kronocide

I wonder what the Church's issues with paying for contraception for married women are.

Start here: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

454 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:39:42pm

re: #444 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

Though, in the case of Muslims, we also okay(ed?) Birth Control, by in large.

This is evident in Birth Rates: The Birth Rate in the Middle East has smashed through the floor in the past 60ish years. And there are similar stories all over the Muslim World.

455 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:41:28pm

re: #219 austin_blue

No problem. Throw a 5-pound pot roast in first. But sign the sheet reeeal fast.

You wouldn't say that if you'd had a chance to taste pot roast as cooked by my mother. She does a truly superlative job with pot roast, and her gravy recipe is phenomenally good.

456 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:41:50pm

re: #453 William Barnett-Lewis

Start here: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

In 2008, Pope Benedict XVI called this topic "so controversial, yet so crucial for humanity's future demanding that women fulfill their primary purpose of breeding more catholics because that's what this is about, the tribalism of creating more humans of one's team

457 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:42:41pm

Forgive me if I don't believe that organizations who cover up for rapists should be trusted regarding humanity's future


If charity comes with a catch (shaming women) it ain't charity, it's another control machine

458 Interesting Times  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:43:08pm

re: #443 Targetpractice

And be seen as assholes, just as they were for choosing to close down adoption agencies rather than abide by regulations that prevented them from discriminating against gay couples.

You forgot their refusal to accept food for hungry people because it was donated by the filthy sinners of Planned Parenthood:

An area Catholic food pantry whose mission is to feed the hungry says no to Planned Parenthood.

As part of its Martin Luther King food drive, Planned Parenthood collected 50 pounds of food. It hoped to donate the food to Paul’s Pantry.

“What was told to me was that they simply said we do not want any food donations from you period,” said Lisa Boyce, a spokesperson for Planned Parenthood of Wisconsin.

459 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:43:25pm

re: #455 Dark_Falcon

NOT BETTER THAN MY MOM'S!!!

/I will sooo punch you in the soul if you pipe up!!!

460 BrainSurfer  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:44:27pm

re: #446 allegro

Hey, free market. But give up all those faith-based millions? Please. The threats are just juvenile.

You may be right, although it would be billions, not millions..
"Obama risks $100 billion if Catholic Hospitals Close"
[Link: www.thefiscaltimes.com...]

461 jaunte  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:44:48pm

re: #458 Interesting Times

The canned beans might have had abortion cooties. How Pythagorean.

462 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:44:51pm

re: #441 BrainSurfer

It is inaccurate to consider a Catholic organization - a religious organization - to be just like any other business.

We know it is not so, so you are correct legally, but in practice what is the difference between them and any other group of people who form an organization and say they don't want to pay taxes, nor follow the law of the land and be subsidized by everyone else for their roads, police and fire protection and much more?

463 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:45:27pm

re: #458 Interesting Times

You forgot their refusal to accept food for hungry people because it was donated by the filthy sinners of Planned Parenthood:

Catholic Jesus says fuck off and stay hungry, bitches


control machines, always

464 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:46:32pm

Taxing religion would pay for a lot of health care for needy people

465 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:47:38pm

Tonight's example of that great American tradition - the Letter to the Editor - fits right in. From today:

Web letter by Sharon Hullinger: God is the sole creator

Regarding the Jan. 30 editorial “Creationism is bad science,” I disagree that creationism is bad science, misguided theology and a violation of constitutional principles.

Creationism is what was taught in our country from the beginning. No one heard or talked about evolution or the big bang theory. Since we were a Christian nation from the start, we believed that God created everything. Animals may have adapted to different circumstances and even evolved in some ways, but they were created by God.

Nothing started on its own – by itself! God is the creator of all. God always was and always will be.

SHARON HULLINGER

Wolcottville

So there.

466 Interesting Times  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:48:53pm

re: #457 windupbird is in the gravity well

Forgive me if I don't believe that guys who cover up for rapists should be trusted regarding humanity's future

Yes, thank you, I was wanting to say the same thing: why is a church hierarchy that covered up, aided, and abetted the abuse of children granted any right to rule upon other people's health and welfare?

467 jaunte  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:49:25pm

re: #465 freetoken

SHARON HULLINGER

Wolcottville

(Pop. 998)

468 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:50:19pm

re: #454 ProGunLiberal

Though, in the case of Muslims, we also okay(ed?) Birth Control, by in large.

This is evident in Birth Rates: The Birth Rate in the Middle East has smashed through the floor in the past 60ish years. And there are similar stories all over the Muslim World.

I am of the impression that this is not so, and certainly I am sure that in many places like Saudi the population is exploding. But I do not want to say I know this is for the same logic that the Catholic church presents, so I withdraw my suggestion that the two issues are similar.

Perhaps something to investigate in the future?

469 BrainSurfer  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:54:17pm

re: #462 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

We know it is not so, so you are correct legally, but in practice what is the difference between them and any other group of people who form an organization and say they don't want to pay taxes, nor follow the law of the land and be subsidized by everyone else for their roads, police and fire protection and much more?

Considering that they are about a million non-profit organizations in the US, that is a pretty big group representing a lot of people you are knocking.

Are you suggesting that religious organizations should not be allowed to hold and freely exercise their beliefs? Instead, their beliefs should be subject to government override if government does not agree with them?

470 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:54:57pm

re: #447 compound_Idaho

Some are high. Some are as low. The number that is rarely advertised but is worth paying close attention to is the annual max out of pocket. Those 80/20 or 70/30 co pays cam stick you with a very high bill even with a low deductible.

Agreed. Still, some of the lower-priced ones on the list don't seem to cover much at all.

For example, the Aetna PPO 7500 -- the cheapest one on the list at $93 a month -- requires a $500 emergency room co-pay and 20% for hospitalization.

Given the cost of hospital stays these days, 20% could be a *huge* expense.

471 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:57:09pm

re: #464 windupbird is in the gravity well

Taxing religion would pay for a lot of health care for needy people

You can't tax religion itself, otherwise I would have been paying twice what I had for weed back in the day.

And I don't think that taxing the donations to individual, community houses of worship would be appropriate.

But when it comes to taxing those that use PUBLIC AIRWAVES to profit by spreading, whatever message really, that should definitely be on the taxable table. As should commercial property and the holdings of certain individuals who currently get to write off mansions and private jets in the name of their chosen religion.

472 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:57:31pm

re: #464 windupbird is in the gravity well

Taxing religion would pay for a lot of health care for needy people

It should not be called taxing religion. The reason we have what we have is because in the past religions (the other ones) were prone to taxation by religions (the other other ones) and this was seen as just what they escaped from over the other side, so a justifiable protection was enacted.

These days all it seems like to me is a free ride, at my expense, and boy do they work it. Talk about welfare.//

473 BrainSurfer  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:58:06pm

re: #466 Interesting Times

Yes, thank you, I was wanting to say the same thing: why is a church hierarchy that covered up, aided, and abetted the abuse of children granted any right to rule upon other people's health and welfare?

you could also say why should either political party be allowed to rule upon other people's health and welfare when their ranks are both filled with the corrupt, dishonest, and morally weak

474 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:58:08pm

Does anyone else find this debate tedious? Birth control pills have been a safe and effective prevention of unwanted pregnancy for 50 years. That would be half a century.

This is a basic ability for women to control when and if they become pregnant, and to do so when they are ready, emotionally and financially, to have a child.

The fact that this is a debate in any way, shape, or form is indicative of how far we have regressed as a society because of the influence of people who simply cannot accept the modern world.

These are social Luddites. Religious dead enders. Fanatics. Viable Republican candidates.

475 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:59:06pm

re: #469 BrainSurfer

Considering that they are about a million non-profit organizations in the US, that is a pretty big group representing a lot of people you are knocking.

Are you suggesting that religious organizations should not be allowed to hold and freely exercise their beliefs? Instead, their beliefs should be subject to government override if government does not agree with them?

They're free to hold and exercise their beliefs all they like, provided doing so does not infringe on the rights of others. That includes telling women not of the faith that they will do without insurance coverage of contraception because it offends the religious beliefs of the employer. That insurance is compensation that is given instead of pay, which means that the Catholic Church is essentially demanding the "right" to tell its non-Catholic employees how their money will be spent.

476 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:59:10pm

re: #468 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

Not really. In what we call the Middle East, only 3.5 nations have a birth rate significantly higher than us.

Jordan, Iraq, Yemen, and Palestine.

Outside of that, the only Pakistan and Afghanistan are in the same position. Iran has fewer children than us on average.

I will concede that the Sub-Saharan Muslim Nations are way, higher than all of us though.

477 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:59:25pm

re: #474 austin_blue

Does anyone else find this debate tedious?

No. Sad, yes.

478 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:04:44pm

On the subject of contraception, I shall quote a brilliant person...

Making this about religion or women's health is interesting, but this is more accurately about our ability to maintain a large, functional, middle class in this country. If you are against contraception being easily available to adult women, you are against the only actual triumph of capitalism: the creation and functioning of a merchant and professional middle class. If you are against contraception, you are against one of the most essential social patterns of the United States.

479 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:06:45pm

re: #476 ProGunLiberal

I haven't made a thesis of this, but a quick check tells me that the UK has about 18% of the population under 14, but Saudi (a fairly homogeneous Muslim population) is over 30% and I believe I have seen over 50% under 16.

Those are big differences, but I don't think I can make a topic of this tonight.

480 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:09:28pm

re: #479 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

The UK has a birth rate closer to Iran's (1 < x < 2 children per family on average). Ours is more in line with the one in your (More or less) average Middle Eastern nation (2 < x < 3 children per family on average).

481 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:12:00pm

re: #480 ProGunLiberal

The UK has a birth rate closer to Iran's (1

I will go by what percentage of the population is not mature enough to drive a car, but we will need to pick this up another day as my eyelids just shut down.

Night.

482 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:12:55pm

re: #481 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

And I go by total fertility rate. :P

483 jamesfirecat  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:31:35am

re: #441 BrainSurfer

It is inaccurate to consider a Catholic organization - a religious organization - to be just like any other business. But, your point to getting out of their fields if they don't like the mandate - they might just decide to do that - close schools, hospitals, charity organizations.

Its their right, and in the process they would prove that they care more about their dogma than helping people.

484 jamesfirecat  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:39:26am

re: #473 BrainSurfer

you could also say why should either political party be allowed to rule upon other people's health and welfare when their ranks are both filled with the corrupt, dishonest, and morally weak

///Why let corrupt dishonest and morally weak make judgements on anything, back to anarchy I say!

485 leftynyc  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:02:39am

re: #61 Amory Blaine

It should be aspiring felon?

Convicted criminal - he pleaded to a lower charge.

486 leftynyc  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:15:49am

re: #144 To hold my temper, most of the time.

He just doesn't strike me as the kind of person who would sit on something incendiary.

Only as long as it took him to edit them to make the President look bad.


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#Thegreatpoolpondconversion - 210418Electrics and hydraulics hum along now unattended and without any thought.No more mentions until we add a pump or a panel or... We lived with the partially screened in filter for a week.It didn't feel quite right and it looked ...
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#Thegreatpoolpondconversion - 210411The pumps are pumping along. Like they always should have.They go on when the sun comes out, they go off in the clouds and at night.We barely pay attention to their functioning and now can focus on the sight and ...
Dangerman
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AFI - Dulcería (Official Music Video) "Dulcería" comes from AFI’s new album, Bodies, out June 11. Available for preorder everywhere now: riserecords.lnk.to ​ Directed by Adam Mason, produced by Elizabeth Mason LYRICSI saw sugar there, dancing in the sweet air. When my eyes began to ...
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The Shaolin Afronauts - Winds Across Gayanamede (Live at Adelaide Festival Centre) Recorded 21 January 2012 at Adelaide Festival Centre, Adelaide, Australia. Winds Across Gayanamede is taken from the second album from The Shaolin Afronauts; Quest Under Capricorn. The album drops 16 July on vinyl, CD and digital download via Freestyle ...
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#Thegreatpoolpondconversion - 210404Did you spend all week thinking about solar power and pumps? We didn't either.A week of flawless electrics and hydraulics.The first few days we went out to check on it like hourly.Now we don't even think about itThe proof of ...
Dangerman
2 weeks ago
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Springsteen - “Prove It All Night” Live at Cleveland Agora, 1978This is so perfect.
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Foster the People - Lamb’s Wool (Official Music Video) Official animated music video for Foster The People's single 'Lamb's Wool' off of their most recent EP 'In The Darkest Of Nights, Let The Birds Sing'. Listen to 'Lamb's Wool' here: stem.ffm.to Listen to 'Lamb's Wool (with Poolside)' here: ...
Thanos
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Talk Talk - It’s My Life (Live at Montreux 1986) Live at Montreux 1986 is a concert video release by the British synth pop band Talk Talk of a concert at 1986 Montreux Jazz Festival in Switzerland. The show was part of a tour that started in April 1986 ...
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KALEO - Skinny [OFFICIAL LYRIC VIDEO] Music and Lyrics by JJ Julius SonNew song “Skinny" available now: kaleo.lnk.toFrom the upcoming album Surface Sounds out 4/23: kaleo.lnk.to What makes you feel good?What makes you angry inside? Why don’t you love me?You want to fuck me or ...
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Hania Rani - Live From Studio S2 Listen to 'Live from Studio S2': hania-rani.lnk.to The full live set video was premiered on the evening before the annual Piano Day worldwide celebrations (March 29th). The motivation to make the recording of the live performances which became the ...
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