Overnight Video: Jonathan Coulton, Nobody Loves You Like Me
I’ll use a pencil and that will show you
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:52:08pm |
No good for you,no better for me.
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:05:45pm |
Since this is the overnight, I am going to to repost this from the last thread. It think it needs discussion:
Does anyone else find this insurance debate tedious? Birth control pills have been a safe and effective prevention of unwanted pregnancy for 50 years. That would be half a century.
This is a basic ability for women to control when and if they become pregnant, and to do so when they are ready, emotionally and financially, to have a child.
The fact that this is a debate in any way, shape, or form is indicative of how far we have regressed as a society because of the influence of people who simply cannot accept the modern world.
These are social Luddites. Religious dead enders. Fanatics. Viable Republican candidates.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:07:15pm |
re: #3 austin_blue
the entire thing is election cycle politics. republican politicians desperately grasping for something to go after the black fellow in the white house with.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:09:44pm |
re: #3 austin_blue
Since this is the overnight, I am going to to repost this from the last thread. It think it needs discussion:
Does anyone else find this insurance debate tedious? Birth control pills have been a safe and effective prevention of unwanted pregnancy for 50 years. That would be half a century.
...
Let's see... 2012 - 50 = 1962.
Well, that's almost there... almost to the magickal realm of 1950's America.
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:10:16pm |
re: #4 SpaceJesus
the entire thing is election cycle politics. republican politicians desperately grasping for something to go after the black fellow in the white house with.
My man, I wish it was true. But how can they backtrack off of these extreme positions? "Just Kidding!" doesn't feed the bulldog.
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jaunte Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:11:11pm |
re: #3 austin_blue
Desperate old men who see their grip on power slipping.
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:12:31pm |
re: #7 jaunte
Desperate old men who see their grip on power slipping.
Then why would any woman support them?
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SpaceJesus Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:13:19pm |
re: #6 austin_blue
I dunno, but it's something they've been doing since the 70s. The religious right is like some creature living under the stairs that the GOP has been feeding for decades. Now it wants a seat at the table, and the GOP leadership is scared shitless.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:13:25pm |
re: #8 austin_blue
Then why would any woman support them?
Don't you know? Women were created to serve man, and will only be fulfilled when they submit to their husbands.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:14:45pm |
Forgive me... I've been reading fundamentalists blogs analyzing their recent gnashings over the genetic impossibility of there being just one Adam and Eve a few thousand years ago.
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Ghazicide Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:18:15pm |
re: #3 austin_blue
Does anyone else find this insurance debate tedious?
Yes.It's all they got.
November should be quite a hoot.
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:18:44pm |
re: #4 SpaceJesus
the entire thing is election cycle politics. republican politicians desperately grasping for something to go after the black fellow in the white house with.
Pretty much. Even though this is something that continues to poll increasingly against them, they're convinced that it's the tonic that they need...for now, anyways. With the defeat of Blunt's amendment, it's likely that tactic will be moved to the backburner for awhile, as they try to attack him more and more on the gas price front.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:20:08pm |
We get a bonus "letter to the editor" tonight (previous one is downstairs):
Concerning the letter “Distractions” in the March 1 Gadsden Times, the writer referred to “the ridiculous release time initiative by Rep. Blaine Galliher.” [A proposed Alabama law allowing public school children to attend religion classes at private facilities, for credit.] Since the writer is so enthusiastic about evolution, he should ask his school board to allow him to establish a released time school in his district. He could teach kids how Mr. Darwin passionately hated God and had no other motivation than to destroy Christianity; how to invert the Second Law of Thermodynamics so that things get better through the ages rather than worse.
Creation and evolution are opposite, irreconcilable world views. Neither is a legitimate subject for science since neither can be subjected to observation and cannot be reproduced. Since neither philosophy can be scientifically proven, if one calls itself science, so should the other. Creationism, based as it is upon the Bible, was entirely satisfactory to believers, and creation science would not exist if evolution had not challenged the Creator.
RT schools, as Mr. Galliher envisions them, will be taught by teachers with degrees in science from accredited institutions. Mr. Galliher, like most of us, believe that people should have evidence so they can decide for themselves what they wish to believe. If it is “ridiculous,” then let the student and his parents decide. We don’t need letter writers to tell us what is ridiculous. The NEA and the National Science Foundation do that very efficiently.
Speaking of books, try “The Biblical Basis for Modern Science” by Henry M. Morris, available from ICR.
Joseph Kennedy
Southside
2ND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS!!
This is America.
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:23:11pm |
re: #15 freetoken
We get a bonus "letter to the editor" tonight (previous one is downstairs):
2ND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS!!
This is America.
Okay, that bit of "wisdom" just made my head hurt. It sincerely sounds to me like somebody trying to sound smart and "scientific" and simply sounding like a well-educated idiot instead.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:25:55pm |
re: #12 freetoken
sounds like you need a change of pace, here try this one on for size
[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:26:48pm |
re: #12 freetoken
But don't you know? Noah's impossible colossus of a boat ended up turning into the continent of Australia. That's why there's all those weirdy-woo creatures down under.
/
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Digital Display Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:27:44pm |
re: #13 Kronocide
Yes.It's all they got.
November should be quite a hoot.
It's hard to tell what is going to happen...I think the GOP race has gone to just about every tangent possible..I'm pretty sure the uncoming Oct. Surprise won't surprise anyone at this point
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:31:39pm |
re: #15 freetoken
This is America.
It is the world. As a country, we are not alone in the shallow pool of ignorance and stupidity.
And no, this fact does not comfort me in any way.
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:31:58pm |
re: #19 HoosierHoops
It's hard to tell what is going to happen...I think the GOP race has gone to just about every tangent possible..I'm pretty sure the uncoming Oct. Surprise won't surprise anyone at this point
At this point, the only October Surprise I could see actually swinging things in any major fashion would be an attack on Iran or a Greek/Chinese economic collapse that precipitated a run on the stock market.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:32:25pm |
Neither is a legitimate subject for science since neither can be subjected to observation and cannot be reproduced
evolution is a fact. darwin proposed a theory as to how it operates
if you deny that the fossil record demonstrates that evolution is a fact, either you fall down a rabbit hole of epistemological theorizing about "how do we know what we know?", or you take an acid trip in a fairy tale land where god waves his magic wand to make reality whatever he wants it to be, and nobody is allowed to ask how you prove god by subjecting him to scientific observation
it all reminds me of the famous story about bishop berkeley - who, most appropriately, the people's republic of berkeley is named after - and samuel johnson:
After we came out of the church, we stood talking for some time together of Bishop Berkeley's ingenious sophistry to prove the nonexistence of matter, and that every thing in the universe is merely ideal. I observed, that though we are satisfied his doctrine is not true, it is impossible to refute it. I never shall forget the alacrity with which Johnson answered, striking his foot with mighty force against a large stone, till he rebounded from it -- "I refute it thus."
so, we might respond the idea that evolution cannot be proven by taking a large dinosaur jaw and whacking some creationist upside the head while saying "i refute it thus!"
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freetoken Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:33:26pm |
re: #18 Slumbering Behemoth
Amazingly, that's sort of what it all boils down to.
Some of them are very, very well educated, as far as traditionalism and classics (theology, Greek & Latin, philosophy) are concerned. Multi-syllabic words are no problem; extensive grammatically correct English in its full Germanic glory - no problem.
Yet the back flips needed to defend the idea that a literal Adam and Eve are absolutely required defies any rational explanation. That's why I contend that creationism is a mental illness - it really is a distortion of the human ability to perceive the world around them with their senses. Even the ancient Greeks had come to the conclusion that things change and they had no modern tools for analysis.
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:35:42pm |
re: #17 SpaceJesus
Best laugh line in that thread:
Are they trying to scare off Arpaio. He must be getting close.
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:36:10pm |
re: #15 freetoken
We get a bonus "letter to the editor" tonight (previous one is downstairs):
2ND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS!!
This is America.
This is abject madness.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:36:31pm |
re: #22 engineer cat
Creationism is a coping mechanism for those who don't want to accept and feel the depth of the painful world around them.
That's the best I've come up with.
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Digital Display Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:37:14pm |
re: #21 Targetpractice
At this point, the only October Surprise I could see actually swinging things in any major fashion would be an attack on Iran or a Greek/Chinese economic collapse that precipitated a run on the stock market.
We know this..Anything can happen this year in politics...Anything..
It's amazing to watch
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The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:37:14pm |
re: #5 freetoken
Let's see... 2012 - 50 = 1962.
Well, that's almost there... almost to the magickal realm of 1950's America.
They'll get there and discover that the actual fifties was nothing like their Nostalgia-VisionTM concept of it. If the puritans ever read Halberstam's The 50s, they'd start aspiring to push us back to the 30s. Then again, maybe the idea of wife-swapping and rampant VD in Levittown secretly titillates them....
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Lidane Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:39:22pm |
re: #16 Targetpractice
Okay, that bit of "wisdom" just made my head hurt. It sincerely sounds to me like somebody trying to sound smart and "scientific" and simply sounding like a well-educated idiot instead.
One of my classmates today was telling the story of how her sister went to college out at a small school in East Texas and in her college biology course, the professor had to explain evolution as something entirely new to the world, because the schools in the area didn't teach it.
This was just a couple of years ago. The kids in my classmate's sister's class were in college, had never been exposed to Darwin, and reacted accordingly. They thought the whole thing was bullshit. That scares me. WTF. How the hell are we supposed to compete in terms of math, science, and technology in the world if basic science like evolution just will not be accepted by people?
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:45:54pm |
re: #29 The Ghost of a Flea
They'll get there and discover that the actual fifties was nothing like their Nostalgia-VisionTM concept of it. If the puritans ever read Halberstam's The 50s, they'd start aspiring to push us back to the 30s. Then again, maybe the idea of wife-swapping in Levittown secretly titillates them...
i wouldn't be surprised if republican politicians starting railing against short skirts, close dancing, poodle dogs, mixed drinks, and the devil's music next
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freetoken Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:46:10pm |
re: #30 Lidane
One of the ironic things shaking out of this whole Adam/Eve/genetics mess is that the creationists who cling to an Old Earth idea are now finding themselves on the defense against those Young Earthers who are pointing out that the Old Earth folk have already swallowed the "naturalism" heresy. So, the Old Earth folk are going to find themselves under increasing pressure by the "true" believers.
Ultimately they all will find themselves caught in a fruitless exercise of solipsism.
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:46:42pm |
re: #27 freetoken
Creationism is a coping mechanism for those who don't want to accept and feel the depth of the painful world around them.
That's the best I've come up with.
The physical world isn't "painful". It's just the world. Young world Creationism assumes that God salted the world with fossils that show that Darwinism is wrong in his fundamental assumptions. It assumes an Active God in the manipulation of the world and its inhabitants.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:49:54pm |
re: #31 engineer cat
i wouldn't be surprised if republican politicians starting railing against short skirts, close dancing, poodle dogs, mixed drinks, and the devil's music next
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:50:04pm |
re: #33 austin_blue
The physical world isn't "painful". It's just the world. Young world Creationism assumes that God salted the world with fossils that show that Darwinism is wrong in his fundamental assumptions. It assumes an Active God in the manipulation of the world and its inhabitants.
Bill Hicks did a great bit about that.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:50:27pm |
re: #23 freetoken
Even five year old children do not engage in that kind of olympic grade mental gymnastics when confronted with the idea that Santa Claus might not be real.
As to the average "member of the flock"? Well, I've met many people who believe in the mystical healing powers of rocks.
As to the average profiteer who disseminates such pablum? I think they know full well they are spreading bullshit thick and wide, and haven't a care for it's effect so long as they can profit from it. Tax exempt, of course.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:52:34pm |
i think you can only push back the horror with progress back to about 3000 bc, with its newfangled "writing", and "cities", and "wheeled vehicles"
hah! who needs 'em?
much farther back than that and you'd have to be against agriculture
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freetoken Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:53:07pm |
re: #33 austin_blue
It assumes an Active God in the manipulation of the world and its inhabitants.
Sometimes that is just assumed, and at other times it is more explicitly stated.
Yet the question remains - why do they assume/believe that?
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:53:44pm |
re: #35 The Right Height
Bill Hicks did a great bit about that.
I miss Hicks. I got drunk with Hicks in 1990 here in Austin. He was a hoot.
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:54:37pm |
re: #30 Lidane
One of my classmates today was telling the story of how her sister went to college out at a small school in East Texas and in her college biology course, the professor had to explain evolution as something entirely new to the world, because the schools in the area didn't teach it.
This was just a couple of years ago. The kids in my classmate's sister's class were in college, had never been exposed to Darwin, and reacted accordingly. They thought the whole thing was bullshit. That scares me. WTF. How the hell are we supposed to compete in terms of math, science, and technology in the world if basic science like evolution just will not be accepted by people?
It truly does confuse the fuck out of me how such folks can expect to spend their lives denying basic scientific truths or "explaining" them through "creation science," and then expect us to compete on the same terms as others across the globe. There's kids in China who'd look upon that little college student and laugh their ass off.
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:55:59pm |
re: #38 freetoken
Sometimes that is just assumed, and at other times it is more explicitly stated.
Yet the question remains - why do they assume/believe that?
Because they truly believe that God can intercede and change their lives.
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The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:56:12pm |
re: #30 Lidane
How the hell are we supposed to compete in terms of math, science, and technology in the world if basic science like evolution just will not be accepted by people?
I seems like a lot of fundamentalists think that they can just excise bits of scientific information that they're uncomfortable with and that everything else will keep going...In particular that applied science can march on while basic research is curtailed because it poses uncomfortable questions.
There may be a hard core who really think that there's no need for science, period, but most are ignorant of the scope and impact of their demand.
Basically, they want Lysenkoism with a theocratic twist.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:56:27pm |
re: #37 engineer cat
i think you can only push back the horror with progress back to about 3000 bc, with its newfangled "writing", and "cities", and "wheeled vehicles"
hah! who needs 'em?
much farther back than that and you'd have to be against agriculture
This is why the Amish are the ultimate hypocrites. There, I said it.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:58:34pm |
re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth
This is why the Amish are the ultimate hypocrites. There, I said it.
What?!?! It's not like any Amish person is gonna read that and get offended.
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Digital Display Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:59:35pm |
re: #44 Slumbering Behemoth
What?!?! It's not like any Amish person is gonna read that and get offended.
/
It's the Quakers you need to watch out for...
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:59:37pm |
re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth
This is why the Amish are the ultimate hypocrites. There, I said it.
By and large the most efficient small plot farmers in the US. Bad SB!
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freetoken Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:02:28pm |
re: #41 austin_blue
Because they truly believe that God can intercede and change their lives.
Yes, or in some cases "no" (for those who don't believe in intercessory prayer) as far as volitionally changing what is around them.
Still, this just kicks the can down the road.
By having a God that can change reality willy-nilly they can try and pretend that something they don't like can be magically changed. My contention is simply that this desire to get away from something(s) that is too painful for them to just accept is the drive that forces them to build a house of cards when it comes to understanding the universe around them.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:06:23pm |
By God's Will, we abhor modern technology. Except for the bits that allow us to harness beasts, build houses, barns, and carriages, plow and harvest fields, weave clothing that is much more than simple scraps of animal hide in order to properly hide our shame, and forge the tools to do all of the above and more.
If we were in any way honest or true to the nature of our philosophy, we would live in natural caves, fully naked and feeding on grubs. But hey, it's religion.
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The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:07:05pm |
re: #42 The Ghost of a Flea
Addendum:
There's an interrelated issue of knowledge, validity, and power in the question of science versus religion. The scientific method incorporates questioning, methods of checking claims, and re-testing. The most aggressive anti-science religious folk are also against asking questions of scripture or of religious authorities. Essentially all knowledge is revealed knowledge, and there is a limited circle of people that possess it.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:08:04pm |
re: #45 HoosierHoops
It's the Quakers you need to watch out for...
Fuckin' pacifists. Being all objectively pro-fascist and what not.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:08:38pm |
re: #31 engineer cat
i wouldn't be surprised if republican politicians starting railing against short skirts, close dancing, poodle dogs, mixed drinks, and the devil's music next
TAWDRY FLOOZIES RIDING MOTORBIKES!!! WILL THEY INFECT YOUR TOWN NEXT WITH THEIR SOCIALIST PILLS?!?! FASTER LIBERAL! KILL KILL!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:09:05pm |
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:18:21pm |
re: #47 freetoken
Yes, or in some cases "no" (for those who don't believe in intercessory prayer) as far as volitionally changing what is around them.
Still, this just kicks the can down the road.
By having a God that can change reality willy-nilly they can try and pretend that something they don't like can be magically changed. My contention is simply that this desire to get away from something(s) that is too painful for them to just accept is the drive that forces them to build a house of cards when it comes to understanding the universe around them.
Oh, I agree with you completely. Understand that I am come to this argument as a happy Deist. I can't deny or affirm that there was a Creator of the Universe. It's not provable either way. I just don't believe that it (if it exists) it has any actual influence in our world since its creation. As opposed to Theism where we are under some great powers control.
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:21:52pm |
Gotta wingnut trying to start up the "Obama had Breitbart killed" bit. And all I can do is roll my eyes as I consider the long list of critics of Obama's, many of whom have claimed at one time or another to have the "big scoop" on him that would "end his presidency." You'd think that, if Obama was so paranoid as to knock off anybody who made such a claim, there'd be a lot more critics pushing up daisies right about now.
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Kragar Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:26:22pm |
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:31:25pm |
re: #54 Targetpractice
Gotta wingnut trying to start up the "Obama had Breitbart" killed bit. And all I can do is roll my eyes as I consider the long list of critics of Obama's, many of whom have claimed at one time or another to have the "big scoop" on him that would "end his presidency." You'd think that, if Obama was so paranoid as to knock off anybody who made such a claim, there'd be a lot more critics pushing up daisies right about now.
Well, no duh. Since he subverted Seal Team 6 to kill OBL to further his political agenda (the destruction of America!!) it's only reasonable that he is using them to target his enemies. But he's being *really smart* about it, secret Muslim, foreign born, Communist that he is. Next are the high school educated pundits Sean and Rush. After that, who knows?
It will undoubtedly be you or me.
Time to buy more guns!
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Lidane Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:42:07pm |
re: #54 Targetpractice
Gotta wingnut trying to start up the "Obama had Breitbart killed" bit. And all I can do is roll my eyes as I consider the long list of critics of Obama's, many of whom have claimed at one time or another to have the "big scoop" on him that would "end his presidency." You'd think that, if Obama was so paranoid as to knock off anybody who made such a claim, there'd be a lot more critics pushing up daisies right about now.
It's just like the paranoid nutbags who swore up and down that Bill Clinton was murdering his critics and anyone who could end his presidency, only with added racism.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:42:26pm |
Coming soon to a dance floor on your TV:
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freetoken Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:43:36pm |
re: #57 Lidane
Heh, as I mentioned downstairs, find the person who killed Vince Foster and you're on the path to finding out who killed Andrew.
Really, there are people who believe that.
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:44:15pm |
re: #59 freetoken
Heh, as I mentioned downstairs, find the person who killed Vince Foster and you're on the path to finding out who killed Andrew.
Really, there are people who believe that.
Col. Mustard with the revolver.
//
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:45:04pm |
re: #54 Targetpractice
re: #55 Kragar
First, he'd have to be a credible threat. Drunken, smarmy, deceptively libelous and outright fraudulent is not a "credible threat". If it were, Alex Jones would have disappeared during Bush Sr.'s administration.
Second, if any such speculation held merit, we would be as the poor citizens of North Korea. Constantly observed and threateningly scrutinized for the adequacy of our public adulation of "Dear Leader". Which does not include a private individual or public personality saying "I think you're a dick for calling Obama a jerk" to another private individual or public personality. Not even close.
Third, were any such speculation valid... we would hear nothing of it. No where. Ever. And even if we thought so ourselves, we'd never dare to speak so even to our closest friends for fear of our own lives.
These fuckers want so desperately to believe they live under the thumb of absolute tyranny, yet tragically fail to see the irony in their publicly aired assertions.
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:48:40pm |
re: #61 Slumbering Behemoth
It's like all those who asserted that Loose Change "proved" that 9/11 was a hoax. How do we know it wasn't? Because the creators, their families, and everybody remotely connected to them are still alive and the film is still in circulation. If the government were as omniscient and omnipotent as so many of its crazier critics believe, none of them would still be drawing breath.
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ReamWorks SKG Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:57:28pm |
I'm very surprised that, in 2012, birth control has become a hot-button issue in a Presidential campaign.
And I would love to see some form of real Universal Health Care in this country.
And I think the arguments the Churches have been using wrt to its paid non-clergy staff are nonsense. Our synagogue doesn't care if our facilities manager eats pork. In fact we want someone who has a different religious perspective because we need someone who's able to work on Friday night and Saturday! Non-Jews are intentionally hired for certain jobs because they're not bound by Jewish law.
That being said, there's one tiny reservation I have to "must cover" provisions in health care: depending on how they're implemented, they prevent people in many states from getting affordable "high-deductable" health insurance. I would love to be able to purchase a plan that covers 0% of my medical expenses up to, say, $7000, and 100% thereafter. Plans like this could be cheap, and could form the basis of a high-risk pool for which a universal catastrophic plan can be based.
But because so many states have "must cover" provisions that even prohibit a deductible, affordable high-deductible coverage is not available in many places. Some states have deductible exclusions for certain childhood ailments, making affordable high-deductible coverage for a woman who can get pregnant unavailable.
Because of this, I have some reservations sticking my neck out to say insurance "must cover" certain things, esp. if those things are mandated to be apart from deductible requirements.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:01:00pm |
re: #63 Targetpractice
It's just another form of magical thinking. Like horoscopes, crystal power, Allah, Jesus, or alien abductions.
People want to believe, so they set about constructing an elaborate facade around their most beloved false premise.
As a species, we have progressed by gigantic leaps and bounds scientifically. Emotionally? Not so much.
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Amory Blaine Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:02:40pm |
Saudi Arabia May Be Tied to 9/11, 2 Ex-Senators Say
WASHINGTON — For more than a decade, questions have lingered about the possible role of the Saudi government in the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, even as the royal kingdom has made itself a crucial counterterrorism partner in the eyes of American diplomats.
Now, in sworn statements that seem likely to reignite the debate, two former senators who were privy to top secret information on the Saudis’ activities say they believe that the Saudi government might have played a direct role in the terrorist attacks.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:15:13pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:20:46pm |
re: #66 Amory Blaine
Non Sequitur: If Wikileaks is truly about transparency, should they not have already exposed such malfeasance?
Conjecture: It would appear that WL is only interested in smearing American sourced entities.
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Amory Blaine Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:21:12pm |
U.S. court approves warrantless searches of cell phones
(Reuters) - U.S. police can search a cell phone for its number without having a warrant, according to a federal appeals court ruling.
Officers in Indiana found a number of cell phones at the scene of a drug bust, and searched each phone for its telephone number. Having the numbers allowed the government to subpoena the owners' call histories, linking them to the drug-selling scheme.
One of the suspects, Abel Flores-Lopez, who was convicted and sentenced to 10 years in prison, argued on appeal that the police had no right to search the phone's contents without a warrant.
The U.S. Court of Appeal for the 7th Circuit rejected that argument on Wednesday, finding that the invasion of privacy was so slight that the police's actions did not violate the Fourth Amendment's ban on unreasonable searches.
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:25:16pm |
re: #69 Amory Blaine
Times like these I do find myself wondering if the tin-foil beanie crowd might not be somewhat right about the slow dissolution of our individual rights.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:26:31pm |
re: #63 Targetpractice
It's like all those who asserted that Loose Change "proved" that 9/11 was a hoax. How do we know it wasn't? Because the creators, their families, and everybody remotely connected to them are still alive and the film is still in circulation. If the government were as omniscient and omnipotent as so many of its crazier critics believe, none of them would still be drawing breath.
If this argument is correct, then it is self-defeating, since then the government would indeed leave them alive just to prove it had nothing to do with 9/11. Therefore this argument is not correct. :P
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:27:44pm |
re: #56 austin_blue
Well, no duh. Since he subverted Seal Team 6 to kill OBL to further his political agenda (the destruction of America!!) it's only reasonable that he is using them to target his enemies. But he's being *really smart* about it, secret Muslim, foreign born, Communist that he is. Next are the high school educated pundits Sean and Rush. After that, who knows?
It will undoubtedly be you or me.
Time to buy more guns!
Come to think of it, Pam Geller has already condemned "Obama's SEALs" (no kidding), so there's just one logical step here.
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Amory Blaine Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:28:17pm |
To get paranoid people going I start like this "Why would the government need to implant transmitters in our bodies when we willingly carry around all the tracking devices they could hope for?"
He he.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:29:13pm |
re: #71 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
Observation: There is no end to the rabbit hole. It is an infinite suck of conspiratorial stupidity.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:37:01pm |
Job applications, cover letters, and resumes... oh my!
The job search rolls on. Even got a new set of business cards for SXSW next week. Should be fun.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:37:27pm |
re: #75 Amory Blaine
Statement: My "den" as you call it is an inhospitable environment for imperfect meatbags such as yourself. Sir.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:39:52pm |
Well, that was distracting for a moment or two. Now, back to you're regularly scheduled Behemoth.
/dik joaks!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:43:43pm |
And now a word from my (NSFW) sponsor...
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AK-47% Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:00:26am |
re: #3 austin_blue
These organizations can still continue to oppose the use of birth control and are free to speak out on it. But making it available is not the same as encouraging its use.
But we are dealing with a point of view that seems to feel that everything not forbidden must be made mandatory...
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AK-47% Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:04:40am |
re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth
This is why the Amish are the ultimate hypocrites. There, I said it.
Amish do not reject science or learning. They simply reject everything they see as superfluous to fulfilling our purpose here in life, which they understand as loving and helping each other.
Although I could never embrace their lifestyle, that very view is part of the philosophy that guildes me to determine what is necessary in my own life and what I can live without.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:14:02am |
re: #44 HK-47
What?!?! It's not like any Amish person is gonna read that and get offended.
/
I'll make sure to carve this on a birch bark and send it out to them with homing pigeons.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:20:02am |
re: #16 Targetpractice
Okay, that bit of "wisdom" just made my head hurt. It sincerely sounds to me like somebody trying to sound smart and "scientific" and simply sounding like a well-educated idiot instead.
It's just somebody who had Chick tracts for textbooks during their homeschooling.
1/2 /
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AK-47% Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:25:12am |
re: #15 freetoken
For chrissakes, any "theory" that posits the existence of a Supreme Being is not objectively verifiable and beyond the scope of science.
The facts that support the theory of Evolution are objectively verifiable. They are subject to scrutiny and varying interpretations but that is how science works - as opposed to religion, which is about believing things that cannot be verified...
The point is that a literal interpretation of Genesis precludes belief in Evolution. There are plenty of people (including the Pope himself) who see no inherent contradiction between a non-literal interpretation of Genesis and Darwin.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:28:56am |
re: #82 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
Just last night I saw a documentary on a certain sect that only allowed their children to attend public school up to eighth grade but no further, and got pulled up in court for it like anyone else would, while crying "freedom of religion" for something no other could legally do wrt the education of their children.
Meh, another convo for another day, perhaps?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:30:05am |
re: #85 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
For chrissakes, any "theory" that posits the existence of a Supreme Being is not objectively verifiable and beyond the scope of science.
It's not about positing the existence as such but rather about requiring active participation of supernatural forces in the process.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:31:05am |
re: #83 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
I'll make sure to carve this on a birch bark and send it out to them with homing pigeons.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:31:57am |
Larry Sinclair is all over the Breitbart story. Figures.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:37:36am |
re: #89 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
He's dead, Jim Sergey.
Anything more to be said on this day is for eulogists, apologists, and despicable vultures looking to feed upon the rancid carrion of schadenfreude.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:39:30am |
re: #90 Slumbering Behemoth
Yes, yes, I'm patient. /
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AK-47% Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:42:24am |
re: #87 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
It's not about positing the existence as such but rather about requiring active participation of supernatural forces in the process.
Which is something you just have to believe in, innit?
I remember those "studies" that attempted to prove the "effectiveness" of prayer in healing illness.
Of course I had to ask if they had a control group pf people just holding rosaries but chanting from the Koran or the Sutras, for example. Is there a SPU (standard prayer unit), one that, say, consists of three Hail Marys and/or two Our Fathers?
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Kragar Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:45:14am |
Oceans are acidifying faster than ever
The burning of fossil fuels and the release of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere don't affect just the air--it also impacts the Earth's oceans, according to U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).
Oceans absorb the carbon dioxide, which in turn increases the water's pH acidity levels. What this means is that coral reefs are growing at a slower rate and the survival of marine species is decreasing, according to NOAA.
Now, the speed at which ocean pH level is changing is faster than any time in the last 300 million years, according to a new study published in the journal Science today.
"Ocean acidification may have severe consequences for marine ecosystems," reads the study. "However, assessing its future impact is difficult because laboratory experiments and field observations are limited by their reduced ecologic complexity and sample period."
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:46:41am |
re: #92 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
Which is something you just have to believe in, innit?
Sure. All attempts to prove such an interaction usually and up as arguments from ignorance ("too complex to evolve, ergo...").
bbl
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:47:41am |
re: #91 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
I dig it. If you'd like to see how I think it should be done, you can see my comment on this thread about the death of Ted Kennedy.
/how I roll, and what not.
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AK-47% Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:56:50am |
re: #94 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
Sure. All attempts to prove such an interaction usually and up as arguments from ignorance ("too complex to evolve, ergo...").
bbl
again, science is about the how, religion is about the why.
I see it partly as a failing in our basic system of education: people do not learn how science works, where it applies and where it doesn't.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 2, 2012 1:02:38am |
In a way, I suppose this explains Mitt Romney's popularity.
Robot Fish Moves to the Head of the School
Through a series of experiments, researchers from Polytechnic Institute of New York University (NYU-Poly) aimed to increase understanding of collective animal behavior, including learning how robots might someday steer fish away from environmental disasters. Nature is a growing source of inspiration for engineers, and the researchers were intrigued to find that their biomimetic robotic fish could not only infiltrate and be accepted by the swimmers, but actually assume a leadership role.
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AK-47% Fri, Mar 2, 2012 1:08:12am |
re: #97 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII
In a way, I suppose this explains Mitt Romney's popularity.
Is Mitt Romney the prototype GOP robot fish?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Mar 2, 2012 1:27:15am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:20:36am |
re: #96 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
again, science is about the how, religion is about the why.
I see it partly as a failing in our basic system of education: people do not learn how science works, where it applies and where it doesn't.
Assuming by "why" you mean "life purpose" and some such stuff: religion is about both how and why.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:21:06am |
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:22:07am |
re: #102 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
Hey, I've run into quite a few Germans, on vacation, who were pretty wild. But all of them said that this is their vacation mode, that back home in Germany they're totally different. Is this a cultural German thing, that when on vacation it's okay to shed inhibitions and just go ass-over-teakettle?
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AK-47% Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:28:36am |
re: #103 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
Assuming by "why" you mean "life purpose" and some such stuff: religion is about both how and why.
science ain't at all about why. and since religion does not limit itself to the scientific method, it can be a lot more creative on the how aspect
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AK-47% Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:31:17am |
re: #105 Obdicut
Hey, I've run into quite a few Germans, on vacation, who were pretty wild. But all of them said that this is their vacation mode, that back home in Germany they're totally different. Is this a cultural German thing, that when on vacation it's okay to shed inhibitions and just go ass-over-teakettle?
Yes, Germans get 25-30 days of vacation a year. that, (along with their 11-14 paid holidays) is their allotted window to blow off steam and do what they like.
Rest of the time they are solid, responsible citizens.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:35:32am |
re: #107 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
So if I take them up on their offers to visit them in Germany, I should come prepared for stolidness? Or, because I'll be on vacation, am I allowed to act like a wild man?
And, does this also apply to Austrians, or should I not generalize between Germans and Austrians?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:35:59am |
re: #106 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
science ain't at all about why. and since religion does not limit itself to the scientific method, it can be a lot more creative on the how aspect
I'm not in control of religion, neither are you. Saying that religion is only about why is factually incorrect. It certainly is about how in a lot of instances.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:37:32am |
re: #109 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
I'm not in control of religion, neither are you. Saying that religion is only about why is factually incorrect. It certainly is about how in a lot of instances.
Doesn't what he just wrote-- that religion can be a lot more creative on the 'how' aspect-- imply that he thinks religion can be about the how?
I may be wrong. It's 5:37 here, and I'm only halfway through my oatmeal.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:37:41am |
Heh, these two have sure shoveled some shit on the fan:
[Link: jme.bmj.com...]
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:39:11am |
re: #110 Obdicut
Yes, but it's a modification of the original thesis in #96.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:40:58am |
re: #112 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
I submit that such modifications are only proper when accompanied by baked goods.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:41:39am |
re: #113 Obdicut
I submit that such modifications are only proper when accompanied by baked goods.
The Dark Side stole all the baked goods.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:44:23am |
re: #114 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
The Dark Side stole all the baked goods.
I think Varek is still sleeping off his insomnia.
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Renaissance_Man Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:50:03am |
re: #61 Slumbering Behemoth
re: #55 Kragar
Second, if any such speculation held merit, we would be as the poor citizens of North Korea. Constantly observed and threateningly scrutinized for the adequacy of our public adulation of "Dear Leader".
Remember that in the mind of Conservativists, there is no difference between Obama and Kim Jong-Il. And by 2016, there will be no difference between the US and North Korea.
The fact that they will be posting their beliefs on the internet, rather than scrabbling in the dirt, does not change the fact that they cannot be convinced otherwise.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:50:59am |
re: #116 Renaissance_Man
And by 2016, there will be no difference between the US and North Korea.
Oh, one can only hope, but I doubt NK will progress so quickly. //
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AK-47% Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:51:32am |
re: #108 Obdicut
So if I take them up on their offers to visit them in Germany, I should come prepared for stolidness? Or, because I'll be on vacation, am I allowed to act like a wild man?
And, does this also apply to Austrians, or should I not generalize between Germans and Austrians?
Hope that they take some vacation time off. Yes, it will be comfortable, well-organized but a bit stodgy. Not sure about Austrians, never spent much time there, but it seems to be similar.
But that was my experience in a nutshell: we met some butt-nekkid German girls in the Grand Canyon, had a great time with them, came over to find them very different.
I stayed anyways. That had a lot more to do with the point in time: 1989 when all those interesting things started happening in Germany and all over Europe.
Things have loosened up a lot since I came over in the late 80's. Even though I am no fan of soccer, the 2006 World Cup was like a cultural shoulder massage for Germany; there was a considerable change of atmosphere as a result.
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AK-47% Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:53:24am |
re: #109 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
I'm not in control of religion, neither are you. Saying that religion is only about why is factually incorrect. It certainly is about how in a lot of instances.
yes, you are correct. but religion is not restricted to applying only the scientific method. it can be a lot more creative on the how because it does not need to be objectively verifiable.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:53:39am |
re: #118 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
Thanks. The only time I've visited Germany was as a kid, for a short while, and it'd be fun to visit as an adult.
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AK-47% Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:55:03am |
re: #120 Obdicut
Thanks. The only time I've visited Germany was as a kid, for a short while, and it'd be fun to visit as an adult.
you will find it a very different place.
Only problem is the exchange rate. 1 euro = around $1.30. Although prices here are very reasonable compared to the rest of europe, they are still higher than in the US.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:55:10am |
re: #119 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
yes, you are correct. but religion is not restricted to applying only the scientific method. it can be a lot more creative on the how because it does not need to be objectively verifiable.
The less such creativity, the better IMHO.
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AK-47% Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:57:44am |
re: #122 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
The less such creativity, the better IMHO.
exactly. I want my science to be boring, consistent and independently verifiable under all conditions.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:58:24am |
Huh. I hadn't heard anything about this. A couple of ex-Senators have sworn in affidavits that they've seen evidence that convinces them the Saudi government played a direct role in the 9/11 attacks.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:59:31am |
re: #123 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
No, I mean from religion. They tend to spread this creativity on non-followers. See the anti-choice debates, for example.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 3:01:35am |
re: #124 Obdicut
Yeah, the link was posted somewhere above or in another thread. I wouldn't take these affidavits as any sort of serious evidence. It's a "possibility of a possibility", so to say. If they have the hard goods, let them present them. Otherwise they can just say whatever.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 3:03:43am |
re: #126 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
And even though they say a direct link, what I'm seeing is allegations that Saudi-sponsored charities were involved, which is more of an indirect link.
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AK-47% Fri, Mar 2, 2012 3:14:03am |
re: #125 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
No, I mean from religion. They tend to spread this creativity on non-followers. See the anti-choice debates, for example.
This is the problem. as long as it's harmless, like baptizing dead Jews, I find it amusing.
And once again. they are free voice their opposition to birth control all they want and to discourage their employees from using it. But I think they should have to provide it.
If you work for Jehovah's Witnesses, should your employer be allowed to refuse to cover blood transfusions?
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AK-47% Fri, Mar 2, 2012 3:15:52am |
re: #127 Obdicut
And even though they say a direct link, what I'm seeing is allegations that Saudi-sponsored charities were involved, which is more of an indirect link.
I still remember the initial reports of 9/11 that stated that several of the suspects "had Saudi passports" as if they just could not bring themselves to admit that they were bloody Saudis.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Fri, Mar 2, 2012 3:34:37am |
re: #97 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII
In a way, I suppose this explains Mitt Romney's popularity.
The T-250 will be released with the mission to hunt down and eliminate Nemo.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 3:59:15am |
Occupy protesters piss on a family's mail.
[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]
A family claims Chicago police broke into their house, urinated on their mail, spit in the coffee maker, stomped and slapped them and told them "You've been punk'd," while searching for someone who had not lived there for at least a year.
The family says, "they heard several cars outside screech to a halt and looked out and saw three unmarked cars in front and two in back of the building. Seconds later, seven to eight police officers in plainclothes and one in uniform crashed through two hall doors with a slam bar.
"The officers came in with guns drawn, were wearing plainclothes, and had no identifying information or badges displayed.
"The officers immediately yelled to the plaintiffs to get on the ground. The police were yelling obscenities and all police officers had drawn guns, including a shotgun and at least one automatic rifle.
"The officers were verbally and physically abusive, actually striking the plaintiffs on several occasions, while plaintiffs offered no resistance whatsoever.
"Plaintiffs were never asked for identification by any of the officers.
"Ray Robinson Sr. has diabetes and walks with a cane. Ray Robinson Sr., Ray Robinson Jr., and George Graham, who was recuperating from a stroke, were handcuffed and assaulted. The officers repeatedly yelled 'where are the drugs?,' while striking plaintiffs.
"The apparent leader of the police was a short, white, chubby officer wearing a white shirt, with blondish hair. This individual appeared to get more and more agitated as the officers, tearing through the apartment, had found no contraband or any gun. He yelled he was going to 'burn' someone.
"After about an hour of entering and searching through every conceivable hiding place, including drawers, closets, and appliances, a sergeant came into the first floor apartment, walked around, and while leaving, stated (apparently to the other officers): 'You fucked up another one.' [Parentheses in complaint.]
"The officers destroyed the apartment, doing, but not limited to, the following acts:
"a) threw the television off its stand;
"b) took multiple DVD's belonging to plaintiffs;
"c) stole or tore up plaintiffs' 'Link' cards;
"d) threw food from the pantry and refrigerator around the apartment;
"e) the same Latino officer that strip searched Ray Robinson Jr., actually urinated on the plaintiffs' mail;
"f) broke the washer and the air conditioner;
"g) tore up books and clothes;
"h) threatened to charge George Graham with bank robbery;
"i) told George Graham 'you've been punked';
"j) threw a music system on the floor of the apartment;
"k) tore the pipes to the hot water heater off the wall;
"l) tore the hot water heater off the wall;
"m) dumped the contents of every drawer in the unit on the ground;
"n) dumped the contents of the refrigerator on the ground;
"o) tore up photographs in a funeral memorial book, and tore up photographs in an album;
"p) spit into the plaintiffs' coffee maker;
"r) took George Graham's keys and threw them across the street."No guns, drugs or contraband were found in the apartment on the first floor and plaintiffs did not resist, interfere or impede the defendants in any way.
"The first floor plaintiffs were cuffed throughout the search.
"No names were displayed on any badges, nor was any identification of individual officers made to any plaintiff.
"The defendants never showed the plaintiffs a search or arrest warrant. They left a copy of the warrant on the floor on their way out of the premises around 3:00 p.m."
The family claims the cops then repeated the process on their landlord, co-plaintiff Burns' second-floor apartment, where they also found nothing, but trashed the place.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:08:27am |
re: #131 Obdicut
If that indeed will be proven to have happened, what will happen to the cops?
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:09:02am |
re: #132 RogueOne
Even for Chicago cops, that's pretty assholic behavior.
In 2008, Chicago paid out $78 million to settle lawsuits against the PD.
That's about 8% of its total budget, going to pay for its fuckups.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:09:37am |
re: #133 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
If that indeed will be proven to have happened, what will happen to the cops?
Not much if anything. Tearing up the house during a search is SOP.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:10:28am |
re: #133 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
If that indeed will be proven to have happened, what will happen to the cops?
Probably nothing. They city will pay out a few million to settle the lawsuit. Chicago rarely disciplines cops, let alone prosecutes them, even for violence.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:15:24am |
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:15:55am |
re: #133 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
This is an off-duty Chicago cop beating up a bartender for refusing to serve him alcohol.
He wound up with two years probation.
During the trial, fellow police officers threatened reporters with arrest and ticketed their vehicles, and he was allowed to enter the courtroom through a side door to avoid the press.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:17:57am |
re: #137 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
Why? What are the laws for?
There isn't a law against officers serving a search warrant destroying property.
Chicago needs an entirely separate PD to investigate their PD. It's one of the most corrupt in the country.
I was hoping Rahm Emmanuel would do something, but he's just been dicking around with small-change stuff.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:18:38am |
re: #139 Obdicut
There isn't a law against officers serving a search warrant destroying property.
Why?
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:21:15am |
re: #140 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
Why?
Because the war on drugs, basically. Real criminals are pretty good at hiding their crap inside water heaters, inside furniture, inside the walls. They're good at barricading doors and windows so you have to do a ton of damage to get inside.
The problem really isn't the damage caused, but the execution of search warrants based on far, far, far, far too little evidence-- and, in this case, on completely wrong, out of date evidence.
A lot of this kind of crap by police officers is the reason why Alex Jones and other conspiracy nuts gain credibility. I do blame the cops for a lot of that. It's not hard to make up conspiracies about coverups when there's a constant string of coverups.
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AK-47% Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:22:38am |
re: #140 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
Why?
I assume it is because they are doing in the course of their duty, which is to search. They are not to let considerations of tidiness get in the way of their prime directive.
But I assume this would only apply if a legal warrant has been issued. And that is where one should seek to redress grievances: to the persons who issued the warrant.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:26:33am |
re: #141 Obdicut
...........
The problem really isn't the damage caused, but the execution of search warrants based on far, far, far, far too little evidence-- and, in this case, on completely wrong, out of date evidence.
.......
This. When judges are willing to pass search warrants out like candy based strictly on the word of 1 person there are going to be a lot of mistakes.
My brothers crazy (no hyperbole, she's crazy) ex called the police on him while he was at work. She told them he was a massive coke dealer. They pulled him over as he left work and tore up his car on the side of the road. They never even gave him an opportunity to consent to a search. They got him out of the car, put the cuffs on, and tore up the car.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:27:35am |
re: #141 Obdicut
OK, but much of the damage described above is not search related.
"a) threw the television off its stand;
"b) took multiple DVD's belonging to plaintiffs;
"c) stole or tore up plaintiffs' 'Link' cards;
...
"e) the same Latino officer that strip searched Ray Robinson Jr., actually urinated on the plaintiffs' mail;
...
"j) threw a music system on the floor of the apartment;
"o) tore up photographs in a funeral memorial book, and tore up photographs in an album;
"p) spit into the plaintiffs' coffee maker;
"r) took George Graham's keys and threw them across the street.
Why are there no laws against wanton non-search-related destruction of property?
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kirghazi Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:29:42am |
re: #21 Targetpractice
At this point, the only October Surprise I could see actually swinging things in any major fashion would be an attack on Iran or a Greek/Chinese economic collapse that precipitated a run on the stock market.
Way late, I know, but I wanted to run with this.
An attack on Iran wouldn't hurt Obama, not if it was in October. An attack before August might.
The attack itself wouldn't because we as a nation tend to stick with the leader in position during what we perceive as emergencies. Wartime president and all that stuff would be in play. Not even with the immediate jump in the price of oil would do him in.
What would hurt him in that regard is the same thing as your Greek collapse -- the long-term drain on our pockets after time to think about it. Two, three, or more months of very high oil prices and the secondary effect of global oil shortages relative to demand. (Worth recalling that if there's a war in Iran, the gulf through which the plurality of the world's oil exports flow becomes a war zone. Insurance rates go extreme, and several shippers don't ship.)
Caveat to the caveat, this assumes we do the attacking. If Israel attacks and doesn't kill the beast, forcing us to get into it as Iran counters, we as a nation bite the bullet. If Netanyahu wants to act so as to tarnish Obama's election, an attack in Iran is a bad idea.
changing slightly.
China's economic collapse isn't going to happen, not on a scale to rattle the world. Yes, they have a real estate bubble. Yes, the signs are it's big enough to pop. On the other hand, they seem to get that keynesian economics works (a major reason they recovered first) and they have an interesting resource sump into which to bleed the losses. That is, they've got a huge and (relatively) undeveloped nation and population. Doesn't mean it won't pop, it's just that these are the reasons the economic collapse predicted for the past twenty years hasn't happened, and I see no reason to think they'll suddenly reverse course today.
Greece, however, is an issue. As are the rest of the EU peripherals. Yes, the Greeks were wastrels. On the other hand the ECB was pretty much throwing money their way. There's a lot of blame to throw; lots of glass houses over there. Anyway, at this point its too late; Greece is in early default, it'll get worse over the next six months, and the question is not if the CDS domino trail goes but when it goes.
No, that's not quite right. The question is whether there are any bad dominoes in the trail.
No, that's not right either. The question is how many bad dominoes there are, and how big they are. When the dominoes start falling we will see some bank and investment firm and even a few nations turn out to be unable to pay their tabs. Those will cause their own domino trails to start falling. If we're all lucky and critical points learned enough from 2008 to build some buffers and redundancies the effect will only be a minor recession. At worst... 2008 was foreshadowing.
And that would hammer Obama. It's pretty much the only thing at this point that will do so.
Pardon me while I go bite my nails.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:29:50am |
re: #145 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
OK, but much of the damage described above is not search related.
Why are there no laws against wanton non-search-related destruction of property?
What are you, pro-criminal or something?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:30:27am |
re: #147 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
What are you, pro-criminal or something?
///
Because I hate Murika.//
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:31:33am |
re: #148 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
Because I hate Murika.//
Ah, one of those Russian Mafia types. With all the tats.
// ;)
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:31:35am |
re: #145 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
OK, but much of the damage described above is not search related.
Why are there no laws against wanton non-search-related destruction of property?
In this case, I have to plead "I am not a lawyer". There probably are such laws, but the cops will testify the objects were broken in the course of the search, not in excessive retaliatory stupidity, so it's he-said/she-said between the cops and ordinary citizens, often ordinary citizens with rap sheets.
It's the classic who watches the watchmen scenario. The cops aren't really going to investigate this crap. IA is still part of the Chicago PD, and they mostly give 'recommendations' rather than actually pursuing prosecutions, and they become part of the larger political game in the Chicago PD.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:34:57am |
re: #150 Obdicut
In this case, I have to plead "I am not a lawyer". There probably are such laws, but the cops will testify the objects were broken in the course of the search, not in excessive retaliatory stupidity, so it's he-said/she-said between the cops and ordinary citizens, often ordinary citizens with rap sheets.
It's the classic who watches the watchmen scenario. The cops aren't really going to investigate this crap. IA is still part of the Chicago PD, and they mostly give 'recommendations' rather than actually pursuing prosecutions, and they become part of the larger political game in the Chicago PD.
And if anyone can carry out major harassment of ordinary citizens, it's a local police department. That's a major reason why you should really be fearing who runs your local government more than the federal or even state one. The latter two are probably just interested in cash from you for the most part in an abstract sense. The local one can get personal real quick.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:35:23am |
re: #150 Obdicut
Another problem with the Chicago PD is its balkanization. There's lots of 'good' cops on the chicago PD, but because of its structure and the way that commands are organized and teams are arranged, birds of a feather tend to flock together. A good cop with a unit with some shady stuff will report the shady stuff, and a 'bad' captain will move him over to a 'good' unit. Problem solved. If you're a 'good' cop, would you rather work with some other good cops right away, or would you rather stick with the bunch of assholes you see doing shady shit while the investigation slowly works its way through the system, your career probably stalls, and the shady assholes probably try to set you up as the bad guy?
So, you get units of cops in the Chicago PD who are awesome, and other units who are just criminal gangs.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:36:50am |
re: #151 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
And if anyone can carry out major harassment of ordinary citizens, it's a local police department. That's a major reason why you should really be fearing who runs your local government more than the federal or even state one. The latter two are probably just interested in cash from you for the most part in an abstract sense. The local one can get personal real quick.
And why idiots who think that local government is more responsive to citizen complaints are fucking idiots. A local government with an entrenched power structure is the hardest political entity in the world to reform. That's why so often the feds or state have to get involved to fix it.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:37:07am |
re: #150 Obdicut
Chicago PD is dirty all the way through. This study is a couple years old but it hasn't gotten any better over the last few years:
Chicago Police Abuse Cases Exceed Average
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Chicago police officers are the subject of more brutality complaints per officer than the national average, and the Police Department is far less likely to pursue abuse cases seriously than the national norm, a legal team at the University of Chicago reported Wednesday.
....
According to the new report, rogue police officers abuse victims without fear of punishment, and the lack of accountability has tainted the entire department, resulting in a loss of public confidence. Patterns of abuse and disciplinary neglect were worst in low-income minority neighborhoods, said the authors, Craig B. Futterman, H. Melissa Mather and Melanie Miles.The national average among large police departments for excessive-force complaints is 9.5 per 100 full-time officers. For a department of Chicago’s size (13,500, second only to New York), that would correspond to 1,283 complaints a year. From 1999 to 2004, however, citizens filed about 1,774 brutality complaints a year against Chicago officers. Less than 5 percent of the department was responsible for nearly half of abuse complaints, from 2001 to 2006.
....
Analyzing a broader array of complaints in another breakdown, the authors said that from 2002 to 2004 civilians filed 10,149 complaints accusing officers of excessive force, illegal searches and false arrests, and of abusing them sexually or because of race.The rate at which the department found enough evidence to believe that the charge of abuse might have occurred in order to sustain a case was 1 percent (124 of the 10,149 complaints), the report said, compared with a national average of 8 percent from 2002, the most recent year for which national data is available.
Just 19 of the 10,149 complaints in Chicago led to suspensions of a week or more, said Mr. Futterman of the University of Chicago.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:39:00am |
re: #154 RogueOne
Well, as it says in that article:
Less than 5 percent of the department was responsible for nearly half of abuse complaints, from 2001 to 2006.
That's one of the real problems, that problem officers aren't dealt with, but instead stuck together in the same unit where they get worse and worse and worse.
There's the normal amount of 'good' cops covering for bad ones, but Chicago makes it a lot worse by the way the command structure and transfers work.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:39:27am |
re: #150 Obdicut
In this case, I have to plead "I am not a lawyer". There probably are such laws, but the cops will testify the objects were broken in the course of the search, not in excessive retaliatory stupidity, so it's he-said/she-said between the cops and ordinary citizens, often ordinary citizens with rap sheets.
But it's not a he-said/she-said if the nature of the destruction does not fit the search goal.
The only he-said/she-said is whether the things were destroyed in such a way indeed (and in case of urination DNA analysis should be able to verify or debunk the claim), and that's certainly a sticky point, but assuming both sides agree that the things were destroyed by the police in such a way, an impartial judge can certainly see beyond the he-said/she-said defense - that is, unless the police can offer good explanations for each and every particular act.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:41:40am |
re: #156 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
The only he-said/she-said is whether the things were destroyed in such a way indeed (and in case of urination DNA analysis should be able to verify or debunk the claim), and that's certainly a sticky point, but assuming both sides agree that the things were destroyed by the police in such a way, an impartial judge can certainly see beyond the he-said/she-said defense - that is, unless the police can offer good explanations for each and every particular act.
Yeah, the cops will probably claim that the victims did the damage themselves. The cop who pissed may have, in fact, screwed himself by doing so, but I don't think a civil case can compel DNA testing and that's all this is at the moment.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:46:21am |
re: #151 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
I think you're right, small-town local cops can be the worst usually because they know everyone. Sometimes though that can be a help. My 16yr old nephew got caught with a pipe at school this week. The officer that responded to the call (because schools call the cops whenever a kid does anything wrong anymore) knew my brother and told him "we'll pretend this didn't happen" rather than giving the kid a drug record.
The only reason the feds aren't as bad is because they don't have the manpower. Given the opportunity, they're just as bad. As evidence:
The FBI investigative report on the radical anti-american group...The Monkees:
[Link: vault.fbi.gov...]
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:56:13am |
I see all the american NGO workers got the hell out of Egypt. Good for them:
Sam LaHood, NGO workers exit Egypt
[Link: www.politico.com...]
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:59:53am |
Speaking of small town cops....
Gauley Bridge police under investigation
Reason unclear, but speeding tickets remain highest in state
[Link: wvgazette.com...]
GAULEY BRIDGE, W.Va. -- The West Virginia State Police have seized boxes of records and several computers as part of an investigation into the Gauley Bridge Police Department, said Fayette County Prosecuting Attorney Carl Harris.
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Gauley Bridge Mayor Byron Winebrenner said he heard rumors a year ago about the State Police looking into the city's records involving citations. The mayor said a man on the street told him that a State Police trooper was loading boxes of Gauley Bridge police files into a cruiser.In the past four years, police in Gauley Bridge -- which has 614 residents, according to the 2010 Census -- have issued more than 6,000 speeding tickets. That's more than any other city or town in the state, according to the state Division of Motor Vehicles.
In 2002, Gauley Bridge reported issuing 28 speeding ticket convictions to the DMV for the entire year. That number rose to 268 the following year, after current Police Chief Shawn Whipkey joined the force in December 2002.
About 50 percent of the town's revenue is generated from speeding citations, according to records.
IT'S A (speed) TRAP!
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:10:26am |
Mass. school quickly fixes racist typo on menu
[Link: wvgazette.com...]
METHUEN, Mass. -- School officials in a Massachusetts town are apologizing for sending home a lunch menu that listed KKK Chicken Tenders as an option.
About 6,500 students in four Methuen schools went home with new menus Tuesday, a day after the original one mistakenly listed chicken seemingly in the style of the Ku Klux Klan.
Superintendent Judith Scannell tells The Eagle-Tribune the menu was supposed to list KK Chicken Tenders, with the KK standing for a creatively spelled "Krispy, Krunchy,'' but an employee mistakenly hit the "K'' key one too many times.
Scannell apologized if anyone was offended. The food service director got one complaint.
A student pointed out to WCVB-TV that it there would've been no issue if officials just spelled the words correctly, with the letter C.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:12:43am |
re: #161 RogueOne
"for a creatively spelled"
*sigh* Why, oh why?
Well, no matter. Suppose they misspelled CC as CCC. That's still a whole Council of Conservative Citizens right there.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:12:59am |
re: #161 RogueOne
I have to enter a comment every time I commit files to my version control system. Since most of the time, the comment is unnecessary since the file itself is self-explanatory or I've documented the change elsewhere, I often just type a few random characters. You need at least 3 for it to accept the comment.
I was going over my commit history the other day, and a lot of them were "KKK".
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:14:09am |
re: #162 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
On the positive side, at least the students know how to spell crunchy and chicken.
KKK Chicken Tenders: Flame-broiled, all white meat with ranch dressing segregated in its own little section on the tray.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:16:03am |
Crunchy, crusty, chirpy chicken chides capitalist conservative class: "Cowards!".
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:18:58am |
If he were a teacher he'd be headed to prison:
Catoosa County sheriff’s deputy fired
[Link: timesfreepress.com...]
A Catoosa County, Ga., sheriff’s deputy was fired on Wednesday for violating departmental policy, authorities said.
...
The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is investigating Crossen to make sure he didn’t break the law by having a relationship with a juvenile female, said Special Agent in Charge Jerry Scott.Summers said some news sources reported that Crossen has been arrested, but he hasn’t been arrested and it isn’t likely.
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Shropshire_Slasher Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:23:44am |
mmmmmmm
KFC fried chicken
mmmmmm
Popeyes biscuits.
DAMN YOU ALL!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:24:25am |
BTW, is it 24h yet? /
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:26:28am |
re: #163 Obdicut
I have to enter a comment every time I commit files to my version control system. Since most of the time, the comment is unnecessary since the file itself is self-explanatory or I've documented the change elsewhere, I often just type a few random characters. You need at least 3 for it to accept the comment.
I was going over my commit history the other day, and a lot of them were "KKK".
I've found decade-old multiple paragraph political rants buried in old source code as comments. Someone was having a bad hair day.
I also put one in once at the start of a sub-section that just said, "And then a miracle occurs..."
;)
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:28:50am |
This entire story is depressing:
Pinellas detective dressed as Progress Energy worker in search of marijuana
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
A Pinellas sheriff's detective says that in an effort to seek out homegrown marijuana, he donned a Progress Energy uniform as a "ruse" and then entered a homeowner's property without a search warrant.
.....
While wearing the uniform, Detective Paul Giovannoni found no evidence of marijuana, and the resident of the home was not charged with any crime.But the revelation follows others about tactics the Sheriff's Office used while investigating "grow houses," and conducting surveillance on the Simply Hydroponics shop in Largo. The Sheriff's Office used a camera outside the store, which has since been removed, to gather information on customers. In one of the investigations, a deputy was suspended for five days for mishandling evidence.
Attorney John Trevena, who conducted the interview of the detective, called a deposition, called it "indicative of problems with the narcotics unit at the Sheriff's Office that go beyond just this trespassing incident. … It is apparent now that this is a rogue unit, and there needs to be an outside agency to investigate."
....
Although Gualtieri criticized the tactic, he was less quick to criticize his detective. "He's a young detective who I think thought he was just being creative," Gualtieri said. "I put more responsibility with the supervision." He said he wanted to think about whether to discipline anyone.
...
Progress Energy spokeswoman Suzanne Grant called this "an isolated case of an employee acting alone without approval or authority," and contrary to policy. She said Progress Energy "doesn't permit or support anyone, including law enforcement, to pose as employees." She said customers can call the utility's customer service numbers to confirm an employee's identity.She said the worker who supplied the uniform no longer works for Progress Energy, but declined to say more.
The utility worker lost their job but not only does the officer still have a job (even though he intentionally violated a citizens constitutional rights) he hasn't even been disciplined .
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:28:51am |
Brave freedom-loving rebels!
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:29:51am |
Happy Friday to all Lizards!
Overcast and cool (but above freezing) here in Philly.
Go-live weekend for a project, so I get to come in tomorrow (yay!) and be on-call on Sunday. It is job security though. I hope to use the time to catch up on a bunch of lower priority items and do work on the project that goes live April 1.
No biscuits, but someone did bring donuts in this morning. Om Nom Nom.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:31:53am |
re: #171 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
Wow. It's hard to believe it's getting uglier by the week.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:33:52am |
Belarussian KGB confirms Breivik's contacts with a Minsk woman Nadezhda Rutkovskaya (currently supposedly lives in North Carolina):
[Link: www.kgb.by...]
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:35:44am |
re: #174 RogueOne
Wow. It's hard to believe it's getting uglier by the week.
You should not assume it's a new video.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:36:04am |
re: #175 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
Woah. They didn't change acronyms? The KGB wasn't seen as a tainted term?
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:37:23am |
Puppycide:
St. Pete police shoot and kill dog while responding to disturbance
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
ST. PETERSBURG — Esther Flesner saw white fur streak past her seconds before she heard the gunshots and saw her daughter's dog bleeding on the sidewalk.
Phero, the dog many in the Crescent Lake neighborhood knew and loved, was dead.
The shooting occurred when St. Petersburg police responded to an apartment house Thursday afternoon at 421 10th Ave. N after multiple 911 callers reported people yelling, officials said. At least one caller said someone had a knife. Then police heard there was a stabbing.
When officers arrived, they drew their guns, then saw what was described as a pit bull terrier charging them from the back of the house, officials said. Officer Jeremy Hayes fired three times from about 10 feet away.
.....
Debra Vachon, 58, Flesner's daughter, has cared for the dog since her son adopted it four years ago. Vachon, who lives in one of the apartments, was at work at the time of the shooting but came home afterward.Vachon sat weeping in the back of a sport utility vehicle hours after the shooting as she caressed a yellow sheet that shrouded her dog's lifeless body.
"He's not a pit bull, that's the thing," Vachon said. "He doesn't look like a regular dog because they cropped his ears too short."
....
Phero's death is the latest in a string of dog shootings involving St. Petersburg police. In 2011, officers were involved in at least seven fatal dog shootings, prompting police Chief Chuck Harmon to change a number of policies for dealing with dogs.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:38:59am |
re: #177 Obdicut
Woah. They didn't change acronyms? The KGB wasn't seen as a tainted term?
Funny, but apparently not, acc. to [Link: www.kgb.by...]
Note that Belarus did go through a brief democratic period. I guess they thought that changing the substance would be enough. Heh.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:40:37am |
re: #178 RogueOne
I think a new law is necessary: for each needlessly killed dog the officer gets one ball cut off.
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:41:33am |
re: #178 RogueOne
Shrug. If you can't keep it under control, things like this happen. If it had been locked in a kennel when shot? Then I'll be ourraged. This? Not so much.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:43:33am |
Florida is on a roll:
Bill banning foreign law passes House over protests
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Muslim, Jewish and activist groups united against HB 1209 as it advanced through the hearing process in recent weeks. About 50 opponents drove to Tallahassee on Tuesday only to be shut down when time-crunched lawmakers skipped witnesses and passed the bill in a 5-2 vote.
Critics have dubbed the bill as "anti-Sharia," referring to the Koran-based code of some Islamic countries. But Rep. Elaine Schwartz, D-Hollywood, expressed concern that the measure could void divorces mediated through Jewish tribunals.
and....
School prayer bill passes House, awaits Rick Scott's signature
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Under the bill, local school districts would be able to vote to allow any student to deliver "inspirational messages" at public school events. Teachers and other school employees could not take part.
The lopsided 88-27 vote in the House came after an hour of impassioned debate.
Sen. Gary Siplin, an Orlando Democrat who shepherded the proposal, had said the concept of an "inspirational message" was open to interpretation.
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Shropshire_Slasher Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:43:58am |
WND is reporting that Michael Savage thinks Breitbart was murdered, o my. I like to listen to Mike when he talks about growing up in NYC or his sailing trips in San Francisco, but he is a nut.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:44:49am |
re: #181 William Barnett-Lewis
Shrug. If you can't keep it under control, things like this happen. If it had been locked in a kennel when shot? Then I'll be ourraged. This? Not so much.
When we start allowing citizens and postal workers to start shooting dogs that are running free I'll agree. Until then cops need to learn to deal with their fear of dogs without shooting them on sight.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:50:40am |
Ooh, I even know a guy or two who will love this ad:
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Ghazicide Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:54:31am |
A wolf in sheep's clothing. Clever.
I've never heard of the group that created it.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:54:38am |
re: #185 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
Which has already been denounced by Dershowitz and others quoted in it.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:55:54am |
re: #187 Obdicut
I don't see why though. They wrote those statements. The technical argument on whether or not they approved of usage in ads is neither here, nor there IMHO.
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Ghazicide Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:56:56am |
Michael Savage is worse than Limbaugh. And that's saying a lot.
The first time I heard him was when he had weekend segments on KSFO in SF. He said 'every woman who claims sexual harassment should be fined $50.' I thought he was being outlandish to make a point but didn't seriously believe it.
I soon realized he was being serious.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:57:33am |
re: #185 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
Ooh, I even know a guy or two who will love this ad:
DEMON SHEEP!
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:01:03am |
re: #188 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
Heh. It's an interesting point. Dershowitz has said plenty of crazy crap about Media Matters. I think that it's that this new group is just too obvious and crashing around about this, they don't have the heft and respect (earned or not) Dershowitz has, and so they actually work against their own side.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:01:49am |
Misplaced priorities:
In Missouri, murderers can get food stamps, but those with drug convictions can’t
[Link: www.kansascity.com...]
JEFFERSON CITY -- Get out of prison for murder, child molestation or just about any other felony in Missouri and you can still get food stamps.
But if you have a felony drug conviction, forget it. You’re banned for life.
To Johnny Waller, who had a drug conviction in his past, that just doesn’t seem fair. And that’s why the 34-year-old Kansas City resident traveled this week, as he has for years, to the state Capitol to speak out for legislation lifting the lifetime ban.
....
Missouri is one of only nine states where a felony drug conviction means a lifetime ban from ever qualifying for food stamps. Congress allows states to opt out of the ban, which was imposed in 1996 as part of welfare reform legislation. To date, 41 states and the District of Columbia have lifted or modified the ban, including Kansas in 2006.Waller believes he’s the poster child for why Missouri should change its ways, because he has. He was 18 when he was convicted of possession of narcotics with the intent to sell, a felony that landed him in prison for more than two years.
But in the 13 years since completing his sentence, Waller said he’s stayed on the straight and narrow. He started a business and eventually went back to school. He’s currently attending Rockhurst University on an academic scholarship.
He even received a pardon last year from the governor of Nebraska for his crime, which he committed in that state.
Yet under current state law, he would still be permanently ineligible for food stamps.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:02:09am |
re: #189 Kronocide
I've only ever heard him in cabs, but he always sounds so... defeated, to me. So steeped in bitterness. There's no positivity to him at all. I found it really repellent.
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Ghazicide Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:07:17am |
re: #193 Obdicut
I've only ever heard him in cabs, but he always sounds so... defeated, to me. So steeped in bitterness. There's no positivity to him at all. I found it really repellent.
You nailed it. Add a heavy dose of ego and some crazy libertardian views with a old school persona and there you have it.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:07:52am |
I stopped listening to talk radio and watching cable news programs years ago. It's too annoying. Yesterday when I took off I put on a local channel to see if they were talking about Breitbart. Turns out he had given an interview with them the day before he died and they were replaying it. He said something like he was in one of those "rare times of extreme clarity" and he knew "what the next 6 months" were going to look like for him.....
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:08:54am |
re: #189 Kronocide
There was a piece - at salon IIRC - that argued that Savage may just be an act. They cited his liberal youth, as well as his recent donations to a Democrat.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:09:35am |
re: #195 RogueOne
Ouch.
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Ghazicide Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:12:49am |
re: #196 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
There was a piece - at salon IIRC - that argued that Savage may just be an act. They cited his liberal youth, as well as his recent donations to a Democrat.
I initially thought he was an act too.... so I laughed off the 'fine women $50 who claim sexual harassment.' But after a while of irregular talk radio listening I realized that he's not an act. If I have time later I'll see if I can find that on Salon and read it.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:15:02am |
re: #197 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
Found it. I misheard slightly....
[Link: www.wibc.com...]
Feb. 28th: about 1:00 min in...
"Rare moments of hyperfocus where I'm starting to figure out what the next 6 months are going to be"
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:19:30am |
OK, does anyone know if Penn and Teller finally got it right on AGW, or not?
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darthstar Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:21:36am |
re: #195 RogueOne
He said something like he was in one of those "rare times of extreme clarity" and he knew "what the next 6 months" were going to look like for him...
You know, the guy was a professional asshole, but I'm guessing when he went to the hospital his clarity probably had more to do with his family than politics.
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darthstar Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:22:13am |
re: #200 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
OK, does anyone know if Penn and Teller finally got it right on AGW, or not?
Aren't they a Vegas act? Who gives a fuck what a fat guy and a mime think?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:23:32am |
re: #202 darthstar
Aren't they a Vegas act? Who gives a fuck what a fat guy and a mime think?
"Isn't he a washed up magician? Who gives a fuck what Randi says?", etc.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:25:28am |
re: #202 darthstar
They had that Bullshit TV show, and well, this is America, so they influence some public opinion. Better that they get it right than wrong.
And I don't know if they have gotten it right, in the end.
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darthstar Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:26:16am |
re: #203 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
"Isn't he a washed up magician? Who gives a fuck what Randi says?", etc.
Who is Randi? Seriously, though...Penn & Teller are an act. If they say throwing confetti causes cancer, fine. I regularly burn toast in hopes of seeing Jesus' face on white bread so I can sell it on eBay.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:27:21am |
re: #205 darthstar
Seriously though, they're not just "an act".
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darthstar Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:27:27am |
re: #204 Obdicut
They had that Bullshit TV show
Donald Trump has a bullshit TV show and nobody takes him seriously...except Mitt Romney, but that fucker's desperate.
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darthstar Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:30:22am |
re: #206 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
Seriously though, they're not just "an act".
I saw the big fucker on TV once...getting interviewed...Las Vegas strip for a backdrop. I have no idea what he said or what was asked. I just thought, "Meatloaf has a fan club?"
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:32:43am |
re: #208 darthstar
For better or worse, they're in the "spreading the skepticism/rationalism message thru entertainment" business, so it does matter that they get it right.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:34:00am |
re: #208 darthstar
I know a few young pagan girls that are really into Meatloaf. I dunno why.
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darthstar Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:34:40am |
re: #205 darthstar
Who is Randi? Seriously, though...Penn & Teller are an act. If they say throwing confetti causes cancer, fine. I regularly burn toast in hopes of seeing Jesus' face on white bread so I can sell it on eBay.
Aw crap...I'm wasting my time on the toast.
A Nebraska woman is auctioning a three-year-old McDonald's Chicken McNugget she believes resembles our nation's first president, George Washington. And it looks like she's on pace to make some cash in the sale. But, it's all for a good cause.
The Sioux City Journal reports that Rebekah Speights is selling the patriotic McNugget to help raise money for a church summer camp. As of posting time, the McNugget had received 17 different bids and was going for $356 on Ebay. The auction is scheduled to end on March 1st
Three years old! It's still fresh enough to eat.
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kirghazi Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:36:04am |
re: #166 RogueOne
If he were a teacher he'd be headed to prison:
Catoosa County sheriff’s deputy fired
[Link: timesfreepress.com...]
No. Or at least not yet. datapoint: this is the county in which I live. So I've got one or two additional pieces.
First and foremost is the question of whether there was anything "there". There's some ugliness in the juvenile's family. The family has had a couple of arrest incidents, with this particular deputy being involved in the arrests. It is not the juvenile who made the complaint, it's family of the juvenile.
Another point that will turn to be relevant when more is released is the fact that Deputy Crossen was one of the primary officers in the Tonya Craft case. Yes, I think some of the law enforcement stepped way over the line in that case. However, secondhand rumor says some names involved in this case were incidentally connected to that case as well.
Bottom line is that I want to see what the GBI turns up before I join talking about how he should be in prison.
Oh, an amusing irrelevancy. Deputy Crossen's calf made the local news a few months back. He's got a tattoo on his calf (I think it's the right). It's an anthropomorphed pig - a boar, actually - in a police uniform encircled by a donut. (Cake donut, pink frosting, no sprinkles.) (picture) He was in shorts, a local radio team spotted it and commented (that's the link by the way) and it got a little splash.
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deadletterboy Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:37:53am |
OT: Today's page of 'The Gutters' is pretty awesome. Usually they just joke about the comic book industry, but today's is pretty serious.
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:39:19am |
Morning. I was yapping away with my fingers again last night. Yap, yap, yap.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:41:05am |
re: #210 Obdicut
I know a few young pagan girls that are really into Meatloaf. I dunno why.
Meatloaf is easily the worst live show I've ever seen. Absolutely tedious.
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:42:34am |
Obama to meet with Netanyahu. Wingnuts will be on full alert looking for the slightest imperfection.
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Varek Raith Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:43:45am |
re: #215 RogueOne
Meatloaf is easily the worst live show I've ever seen. Absolutely tedious.
You're not supposed to listen to meatloaf, silly.
You eat it.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:43:57am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:44:09am |
re: #216 Gus
As we know, if Obama doesn't obey Bibi's whims, he's really an anti-Israeli antisemitic Muslim.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:44:36am |
re: #216 Gus
Obama will frown, the secret service will have Netanyahu enter through some entrance or another, or they'll disagree on anything and the wingnuts will jump up so fast they'll knock their boners off.
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:46:39am |
re: #219 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
As we know, if Obama doesn't obey Bibi's whims, he's really an anti-Israeli antisemitic Muslim.
They probably expect an attack on the next day. Maybe Obama will offer to let Bibi "push the button."
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:48:57am |
re: #212 kirkspencer
Ha! Great tattoo!
You're right that the story doesn't actually say there was a sexual relationship, I may have jumped to the wrong conclusion.. Didn't GA have a problem with their sex with students law that they fixed a couple years ago? I'm under the impression that consent doesn't matter there anymore, any sexual activity between a student and a teacher is considered sexual assault.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:49:13am |
I wonder if any US senators or reps will meet with Bibi too? There might be a stampede. Hopefully Bibi won't be stupid enough to actually meet with any prominent Obama critics in a private setting.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:50:36am |
re: #224 Obdicut
Well, he was stupid enough to promise a video speech at the Awakening 2012 (regardless of whether he will cancel or not).
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:50:40am |
re: #217 Varek Raith
You're not supposed to listen to meatloaf, silly.
You eat it.
I went because of a girl. That's how I ended up seeing "Riverdance" too. Gotta do what you gotta do and all.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:50:49am |
re: #224 Obdicut
Hell, given how likely the GOP is to say batshit insane things, probably best if he avoid them altogether.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:51:09am |
re: #216 Gus
Obama to meet with Netanyahu. Wingnuts will be on full alert looking for the slightest imperfection.
Obama to Iran and Israel: 'As President of the United States, I Don't Bluff'
In the most extensive interview he has given about the looming Iran crisis, Obama told me earlier this week that both Iran and Israel should take seriously the possibility of American action against Iran's nuclear facilities. "I think that the Israeli government recognizes that, as president of the United States, I don't bluff." He went on, "I also don't, as a matter of sound policy, go around advertising exactly what our intentions are. But I think both the Iranian and the Israeli governments recognize that when the United States says it is unacceptable for Iran to have a nuclear weapon, we mean what we say."
The article presumes that there's a bit of conflict between Obama and Netanyahu but I think the differences are probably pretty minor. The press plays up the differences to create drama.
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:51:29am |
re: #224 Obdicut
I wonder if any US senators or reps will meet with Bibi too? There might be a stampede. Hopefully Bibi won't be stupid enough to actually meet with any prominent Obama critics in a private setting.
Like Gohmert, King, et al. Hmmm, he probably will meet with them and more.
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:54:46am |
re: #228 Killgore Trout
Obama to Iran and Israel: 'As President of the United States, I Don't Bluff'
The article presumes that there's a bit of conflict between Obama and Netanyahu but I think the differences are probably pretty minor. The press plays up the differences to create drama.
More drama equals better ratings in the long run. Yeah, they pretty much do this with everything they get their hands on. The longer the story can run the better.
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:56:34am |
"A senior official at the White House who requested to remain anonymous told us that Netanyahu..."
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Varek Raith Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:57:30am |
re: #231 Gus
"A senior official at the White House who requested to remain anonymous told us that Netanyahu..."
...farts rainbows"
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:57:55am |
Indiana is still trying to deal with the fallout over the state supreme court ruling last year. The Senate already passed a bill now it's the House's turn:
Right to resist police in Indiana clarified in legislation
[Link: www.indystar.com...]
The measure -- Senate Bill 1 -- is aimed at overturning a controversial Indiana Supreme Court decision from last May. That 3-2 decision said people have no right to resist if police officers illegally enter their homes.
The House sponsor of the bill, Rep. Jud McMillin, R-Brookville, said the bill tries to balance the rights of residents against unlawful search and seizure with protecting law enforcement officers who cannot let a closed door on a home stop them from pursuing a criminal or trying to protect someone from serious injury. It passed the House 74-24.
....
House Speaker Brian Bosma, R-Indianapolis, made a rare speech on a bill in the House, saying the bill simply provides "jury instructions" so that if a case involving police entry into a home makes it to court, people will understand what is and is not allowed. In fact, the Supreme Court, in its decision, basically invited the legislature to clarify Indiana's law.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:58:24am |
Adbusters calls for a "spiritual insurrection" starting May 1
#OCCUPYCHICAGO will be the focal point of this global spiritual insurrection… 50,000 of us will converge on the windy city and confront the G8 and NATO leaders with an ultimatum. We will set up impromptu encampments throughout the city and wage a full-spectrum memewar backed up by new tactics of anarchic swarming. Our militant in-your-face nonviolence will inspire thousands of towns, cities and campuses around the world to rise up in solidarity just like they did last October. . .
Heh
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:58:46am |
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:02:01am |
re: #234 Killgore Trout
Adbusters calls for a "spiritual insurrection" starting May 1
Heh
NATO? WTF. Oh right. They helped the rebels overthrow the Gaddafi regime. Or something. Screwballs.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:03:49am |
Paperwork finished, time to get to the real work. Enjoy the day peoples!
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:04:20am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. If you're anywhere in the Midwest, be sure to check your local weather forecasts closely - and keep tabs on the local radio/streaming reports because forecasters are predicting a banner day for severe storms likely to produce tornadoes. This map indicates where risk is highest for severe storms.
Terra Haute and that area are under severe t-storm warnings.
The early arrival of severe storms coincides with the fact that we're dealing with a warming than usual winter and "cold" air coming in from the NW is hitting warm and unstable air from the Gulf - mixing over the Tennessee and Ohio River Valleys.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:06:45am |
re: #236 Gus
NATO? WTF. Oh right. They helped the rebels overthrow the Gaddafi regime. Or something. Screwballs.
My guess is they see NATO as part of the colonial war machine. Over the next year or so they're going to advocate a "peace at all costs" policy towards Iran. Like Iraq, there's plenty of reasonable debate to be had about Iran but the "anti-war" fundamentalists don't have much to contribute to the conversation.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:07:25am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:07:44am |
re: #240 Killgore Trout
Agreed. And neither do those who beat the drums for the Iraq war in 2000s.
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deadletterboy Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:11:11am |
re: #222 darthstar
Yeah, it's actually a good place to get context on comic book news.
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:11:31am |
re: #242 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
Agreed. And neither do those who beat the drums for the Iraq war in 2000s.
True. But we're talking anti-war puritans who think you can stop conflicts by squinting really hard and making chants. They opposed intervention in Libya, Bosnia, etc.
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deadletterboy Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:12:06am |
re: #216 Gus
My first thought was 'Why is he meeting with a rapper?' Then I realized I was still tired and that Netanyahu is very different from Matisyahu.
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:12:16am |
re: #244 Gus
True. But we're talking anti-war puritans who think you can stop conflicts by squinting really hard and making chants. They opposed intervention in Libya, Bosnia, etc.
Ron Paul!
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deadletterboy Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:13:20am |
re: #245 deadletterboy
Not to disparage his visits with Common or any other rappers. Jesus, I'm tired.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:13:51am |
re: #244 Gus
And we're talking about pro-war fundamentalists who dream up false excuses to re-engineer geopolitics by bombing or invasion, no matter the facts on the ground or human cost.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:13:55am |
re: #247 deadletterboy
I'm sure if you ask nicely Jesus will let you go home early.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:15:21am |
re: #248 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
And this guy should still be remembered, and those like him.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:15:50am |
re: #217 Varek Raith
You're not supposed to listen to meatloaf, silly.
You eat it.
Does Tim Curry do the carving of it still?
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:15:59am |
re: #248 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
And we're talking about pro-war fundamentalists who dream up false excuses to re-engineer geopolitics by bombing or invasion, no matter the facts on the ground or human cost.
Yes. But NATO leaders were largely opposed to the Iraq invasion save a few such as Tony Blair. I'm looking at this specific protest.
I wonder if Chris Hedges will show up at this protest.
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deadletterboy Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:16:29am |
As penance for confusing my 'yahus.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:17:10am |
re: #251 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Does Tim Curry do the carving of it still?
Add some Carrot Top and Spice Girls, and you're ready to go.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:19:29am |
re: #252 Gus
Yep, yep. I once gathered all the silly conservative cartoons that were churned out when France and Germany refused to support the war. "Chickens" was the most kind image. Good times.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:21:55am |
re: #242 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
Agreed. And neither do those who beat the drums for the Iraq war in 2000s.
I still don't think there's been a decent reflection on Iraq, I feel pretty confident that the Arab spring uprisings (with a lot of help from the USAF) would have taken out Saddam by now. The following ethnic violence probably would be pretty severe but leaving Saddam in power while Iran is getting close to a nuclear bomb would be a disaster waiting to happen. I wasn't an advocate of the war but the "anti-war" movement was, and still is, a huge turn off to me.
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:23:42am |
Reading here. It takes 35 gallons of water to make a cup of coffee? Think I'll make some more coffee and read up some more.
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Eventual Carrion Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:42:36am |
re: #163 Obdicut
I have to enter a comment every time I commit files to my version control system. Since most of the time, the comment is unnecessary since the file itself is self-explanatory or I've documented the change elsewhere, I often just type a few random characters. You need at least 3 for it to accept the comment.
I was going over my commit history the other day, and a lot of them were "KKK".
When I have to termServ into a server to do something and it had gone down for some reason and rebooted, it asks me for a reboot code and a reason. So for the reboot code I put "ID10T" and for the reason I put "I don't know!". Wonder how may of our hardware people actually look at the reboot log at my antics.
Our code base also wants a reason every time we check in checked out code. When I change code just to test something and then change it back, I just check it in with the reason "Wouldn't you like to know". I could just undo the checkout but what fun would that be?
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:44:58am |
Foreign NGO workers reach Cyprus after leaving Egypt
Seventeen foreign democracy activists, including Americans, at the centre of a row between Egypt and the US, have left Cairo after a travel ban was lifted.
A US military plane flew them from Cairo to Cyprus on Thursday. They were expected to fly home on Friday.
See. It all ends with a whimper. No trial and the nine Americans will be coming home.
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:45:25am |
Iran goes to the polls, but if you dig deeper, you find that the same guy will hold the power after all's said and done. Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei really holds the power - and his smackdown of Ahmadinejad following Ahmadinejad's attempted sacking of a minister a while back shows who really holds power.
The Guardian Council gets to pick and choose who gets to run, and Khamenei gets to shape the Council. There are factions involved to be sure, but they all have to essentially go through Khamenei - who uses the factions to maintain and enhance his power.
In sum, this is little more than rearranging deck chairs - particularly when you have the opposition groups and leaders like Mousavi (himself selected to run against Ahmadinejad in the last presidential election by the Council) under house arrest. Reform groups are not going to go far so the election comes down to which hardline faction owing its power to Khamenei and the mullahs gets to dominate the parliament.
Some outlets are trying to play up the distinction between Ahmadinejad's faction and the Khamenei factions, but the power rests in Khamenei's hands - not Ahmadinejad's. Khamenei remains in power and Ahmadinejad is term-limited. He's gone no matter what when the position comes up for election next.
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kirghazi Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:46:50am |
re: #260 RayFerd
When I have to termServ into a server to do something and it had gone down for some reason and rebooted, it asks me for a reboot code and a reason. So for the reboot code I put "ID10T" and for the reason I put "I don't know!". Wonder how may of our hardware people actually look at the reboot log at my antics.
Our code base also wants a reason every time we check in checked out code. When I change code just to test something and then change it back, I just check it in with the reason "Wouldn't you like to know". I could just undo the checkout but what fun would that be?
On behalf of my former troubleshooting peers, I officially hate you. Not despise you, mind, that's reserved for the people who don't put anything or who just mash the keyboard.
That point noted, that's funny and would have drawn a laugh from me at during log-reading.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:46:53am |
re: #261 Gus
What about their Egyptian counterparts?
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:48:57am |
re: #263 kirkspencer
I had to tell a software manager once not to tell his employees "Comment your code so we know what the hell you were doing once you get fired".
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:51:32am |
re: #264 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
What about their Egyptian counterparts?
Don't know. I'm sure that will continue. The article indicates that the people released may be tried in absentia at some future date. This was interesting:
Mohamed ElBaradei, the Nobel Prize-winning former head of the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), called the political interference in the judicial process "a fatal strike to democracy".
Does this mean that ElBaradei wanted a trial to go ahead?
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:54:08am |
Good times.
Egyptian government rapped for lifting travel ban on NGO workers
CAIRO: Several Egyptian lawmakers on Friday accused the government of bowing to United States pressure by allowing a group of foreign NGO workers on trial in Cairo to leave the country.
Independent MP Mustafa Bakri has demanded that Prime Minister Kamal El-Ganzouri and the justice and foreign ministers explain to Parliament why the travel ban on US NGO workers was lifted.
“What happened is a scandal,” Bakri said on the Good Morning Egypt TV show on Thursday.
Bakri has a rich history of making controversial statements. In February he accused Mohamed ElBaradei of inciting American and Zionist agents who want to “hijack the revolution.”
A total of 43 Egyptian and foreigners working for non-governmental organizations (NGOs) are facing charges of receiving illegal funding from abroad. They include a number of US nationals, who left Cairo on Thursday aboard a US military plane after a travel ban on them was lifted...
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kirghazi Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:54:40am |
re: #265 Obdicut
I had to tell a software manager once not to tell his employees "Comment your code so we know what the hell you were doing once you get fired".
Yeah, positive messaging instead. "Comment your code so we know what the hell you were doing once you leave us for the better job I was supposed to get."
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:57:23am |
re: #266 Gus
Hmmm...
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Simply Sarah Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:57:57am |
re: #268 kirkspencer
Yeah, positive messaging instead. "Comment your code so we know what the hell you were doing once you leave us for the better job I was supposed to get."
///
I'll admit, I generally had commenting code, especially with the documentation standards my company put into place a while back that means making a change to an existing program can mean spending more time documenting everything already there that was never documented than I do actually making my code change. That being said, good documentation can really help in some places, although I suppose that's often when the code in question is a terrible mess to start with, so maybe fixing the latter is a better idea.
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:58:30am |
NY Times:
Evening television talk shows brimmed with indignation. Even Mohamed ElBaradei, the Nobel Prize-winning former international diplomat and a reliable advocate for such nonprofit groups, called the political interference in the judicial process “a fatal strike to democracy.”
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:00:00am |
re: #271 Gus
NY Times:
...
As part of a deal, the groups, which rely on government financing, each paid more than $330,000 in bail for each of their foreign-born employees, who were required to sign a statement pledging to return for the next day of trial. American officials have said privately that it is almost unthinkable that they will return, noting that the defendants in Egyptian criminal cases are humiliated by standing imprisoned in a metal cage that serves as a docket.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:01:06am |
re: #268 kirkspencer
Yeah, positive messaging instead. "Comment your code so we know what the hell you were doing once you leave us for the better job I was supposed to get."
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"Comment your code so that you know what the hell you were doing when you have to look at it again for the upgrade in five years time."
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:02:08am |
NGO trials in Egypt: erratic due process is blatantly irreconcilable with independent judiciary & genuine democracy
— Mohamed ElBaradei (@ElBaradei) March 1, 2012
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:03:03am |
I'll take that as endorsement from ElBaradei for a trial in which "defendants in Egyptian criminal cases are humiliated by standing imprisoned in a metal cage that serves as a docket."
Needless to say I was never a "fan" of his.
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kirghazi Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:03:26am |
re: #270 Simply Sarah
I'll admit, I generally had commenting code, especially with the documentation standards my company put into place a while back that means making a change to an existing program can mean spending more time documenting everything already there that was never documented than I do actually making my code change. That being said, good documentation can really help in some places, although I suppose that's often when the code in question is a terrible mess to start with, so maybe fixing the latter is a better idea.
It's not just fixing it that matters. Sooner or later there will be upgrades. There will be other software competing for resources, some of which are at least supposed to integrate.
The problem is, as you said, it can take longer to document than it takes to do the code itself especially given some standards.
I've often wondered if things might not work better with a voice recorder that tied sound to keystrokes, then having another specialist who did nothing but enter comments using those two items (and an occasional persuasive visit to recalcitrant programmers.)
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:06:35am |
Just curious, but what do the folk doing IT and related work using for change control software and processes?
For Example:
In old VAX days we had the CMS and MMS applications tied together and used for version tracking and also rebuilding of executables.
Currently it's TeamTrack for non-SAP and using SAP Solution Manager (SolMan) for SAP work.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:06:43am |
re: #276 kirkspencer
It's not just fixing it that matters. Sooner or later there will be upgrades. There will be other software competing for resources, some of which are at least supposed to integrate.
The problem is, as you said, it can take longer to document than it takes to do the code itself especially given some standards.
I've often wondered if things might not work better with a voice recorder that tied sound to keystrokes, then having another specialist who did nothing but enter comments using those two items (and an occasional persuasive visit to recalcitrant programmers.)
For upgrades, I tend to find quality (Or lack thereof) of code and design are the most important factors, although comments are helpful if things are entirely non-obvious.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:10:08am |
re: #277 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Just curious, but what do the folk doing IT and related work using for change control software and processes?
For Example:
In old VAX days we had the CMS and MMS applications tied together and used for version tracking and also rebuilding of executables.Currently it's TeamTrack for non-SAP and using SAP Solution Manager (SolMan) for SAP work.
I think the best answer I can give here is "We have something resembling what might by some people be considered to be a vague and loose form of a change control process." I mean, it works, kinda, in most cases, generally. *coughs*
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:10:34am |
re: #278 Simply Sarah
For upgrades, I tend to find quality (Or lack thereof) of code and design are the most important factors, although comments are helpful if things are entirely non-obvious.
That's where the organization and design of the code makes all the difference. I dealt with a 10,000 line IBM mainframe COBOL program once that was pure spaghetti code. Dated from the bad old GOTO days.
I purposefully tried to keep program modules and even "paragraph" sections to a couple of pages to aid readability. Then again a poor database table design also forced me to write some combinational IF statements that took two pages just to define the "IF" criteria itself.
(Date logic in a table where year, month, and day were separate fields.)
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:10:40am |
re: #265 Obdicut
I had to tell a software manager once not to tell his employees "Comment your code so we know what the hell you were doing once you get fired".
The reason you must comment your code is because otherwise Future_You is eventually going to be strongly motivated to spend the rest of your life building a time machine solely for the purpose of coming back to kick Present-Day_You in the nuts.
It's really easy to get into the mindset of thinking, "pffft, I know what I'm doing and this is trivial anyway. Anyone should be able to just read it and understand what's going on". Then, a year later you need to revisit it for whatever reason, and you are completely mystified as to what the flippin' fuck you were doing, why you did it that convoluted way as opposed to some vastly more intuitive way, etc. Then you spend half a day "simplifying" it, all the while patting yourself on the back for having improved your skill so much since then, only to remember the hard way why the simple way wasn't useful the first time around. It really does make you want to go back and slap the piss out of yourself.
Now, the thought of someone else having to suffer through the enigmatic undocumented spaghetti code you leave behind after being fired? That's hilarious.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:12:43am |
re: #281 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII
The reason you must comment your code is because otherwise Future_You is eventually going to be strongly motivated to spend the rest of your life building a time machine solely for the purpose of coming back to kick Present-Day_You in the nuts.
It's really easy to get into the mindset of thinking, "pffft, I know what I'm doing and this is trivial anyway. Anyone should be able to just read it and understand what's going on". Then, a year later you need to revisit it for whatever reason, and you are completely mystified as to what the flippin' fuck you were doing, why you did it that convoluted way as opposed to some vastly more intuitive way, etc. Then you spend half a day "simplifying" it, all the while patting yourself on the back for having improved your skill so much since then, only to remember the hard way why the simple way wasn't useful the first time around. It really does make you want to go back and slap the piss out of yourself.
Now, the thought of someone else having to suffer through the enigmatic undocumented spaghetti code you leave behind after being fired? That's hilarious.
This is basically the reason I suffer through commenting code. Since I'm the only person currently really supporting my area of the software, there's a good chance that the person that will need to deal with that code in the future will be me. I like me.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:15:27am |
That's sort of the same mindset that has us despising helpdesks* while laughing hilariously at the "IT Support Person From Hell" files.
* - My dislike of helpdesks is a complex thing that will not be explained here and now.
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:17:01am |
Boom!
Boehner calls Limbaugh remarks 'inappropriate' on.msnbc.com/woLsI7
— NBC Politics (@NBCPolitics) March 2, 2012
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:19:58am |
That comes with a MBF however:
Boehner calls Limbaugh remarks 'inappropriate'
By By Frank Thorp, Luke Russert and Michael O'Brien
House Speaker John Boehner distanced himself on Friday from Rush Limbaugh, calling the conservative radio host's words toward a women's rights advocate "inappropriate."
Amid a growing media firestorm over comments Wednesday by Limbaugh toward Sandra Fluke, a Georgetown Law student who testified before a Democratic panel on the use of contraception, Washington's top Republicans said through a spokesman that Limbaugh was wrong.
"The speaker obviously believes the use of those words was inappropriate, as is trying to raise money off the situation," Boehner spokesman Michael Steel said in a statement.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:20:19am |
re: #284 Gus
Actually..
Washington's top Republicans said through a spokesman that Limbaugh was wrong.
"The speaker obviously believes the use of those words was inappropriate, as is trying to raise money off the situation," Boehner spokesman Michael Steel said in a statement.
So he doesn't have the balls to say it himself, and he's taking a swipe at the women's groups who are using the incident to fundraise opposition to the GOP's attempts to get rid of contraception coverage.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:20:50am |
re: #284 Gus
Ooh noo, guys, we have a badass here. Boner say something against Master Limp Rushdick. Boner will be very sad soon. Will have to kiss Rushdick's sweaty buttocks.
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Interesting Times in Benghazi Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:21:00am |
re: #284 Gus
Boehner to give grovelling apology in 3...2...1... RT @NBCPolitics Boehner calls Limbaugh remarks 'inappropriate' on.msnbc.com/woLsI7 #p2
— Interesting Times (@intrstngtimes) March 2, 2012
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jaunte Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:21:17am |
Bryan Fischer still acting up, unclear on the whole Emancipation concept:
Fischer: Like Slavery, America 'Cannot Exist Half-Gay and Half-Straight'
We cannot exist half-gay and half-straight, as a nation. We can't do it any more than we could exist half-slave and half-free, as Abraham Lincoln said. We cannot do it. We cannot endure half-gay and half-straight. We're going to have to make a choice between the two because liberty and the homosexual agenda cannot exist.
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:21:21am |
The tornado outbreak underway - apparent tornado touched down near Huntsville AL with damage reported.
It was the first reported tornado as a new storm system threatened regions of the Midwest and South that had been battered by storms earlier this week.
Authorities have reports of houses damaged in Madison County, said Paige Colburn, an Alabama emergency management official.
Forecasters said the areas most at risk for twisters on Friday would be southern Indiana, southern Ohio, most of Kentucky, central Tennessee, northeastern Mississippi and northwestern Alabama.
Storms were expected to proliferate during the afternoon, with the most likely window for tornadoes between 4 and 8 p.m. ET, according to CNN meteorologist Sean Morris.
There is the potential for widespread damaging wind gusts, large hail and violent tornadoes in some areas.
The storm system is expected to weaken overnight as it heads north and east - giving rain to the NYC metro area with chance for t-storms and gusty winds, but not likely to bring severe storms.
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:23:12am |
re: #286 Obdicut
Actually..
So he doesn't have the balls to say it himself, and he's taking a swipe at the women's groups who are using the incident to fundraise opposition to the GOP's attempts to get rid of contraception coverage.
True. Including the MBF of the Democrats fund raising on Limbaugh's comments. However, I'm pretty sure the wingnuts will throw a fit against Boehner.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:24:24am |
Won't be surprised in the least if Boner actually asked Master Rushdick's permission beforehand.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:27:06am |
- But my lord, I need to say something to the lamestream media!
- Oh, OK, stop whining. Let your flunky do the job and don't forget to balance it. Also prepare for some public rimming you'll have to do.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:33:52am |
re: #295 Gus
Anti 1st-amdt gun!
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:34:17am |
re: #295 Gus
Can't wait to see the responses from the Paulians.
Be afraid! Be very afraid! Government drones armed with speech-jamming guns are coming for your children!
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jaunte Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:35:32am |
re: #295 Gus
Just a little too late for Arpaio's press conference.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:38:08am |
Seems like pretty easy to override it - close your ears.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:38:57am |
re: #300 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
You could probably train yourself to override it, too.
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:39:26am |
Michael Savage: Was Breitbart assassinated?
Media activist recently promised to publish revealing Obama videos
Derp! World Nut Daily.
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Ghazicide Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:41:01am |
re: #284 Gus
Boom!
Boehner says 'inappropriate?' Talk about understatement.
I hope he doesn't have to walk that back.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:41:15am |
Hey all!
I finally downloaded Google Chrome (ggt takes bow). Now, it imported my favorites from Safari, which I haven't used in a long time. I was using Firefox and it didn't even give me the option of importing from Firefox.
How do I tell it to get my "favorites" from Firefox?
Oh, I think curs-ed virus and sinus infection are finally abating.
How are you?
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brennant Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:41:22am |
re: #302 Gus
Michael Savage: Was Breitbart assassinated?
Media activist recently promised to publish revealing Obama videosDerp! World Nut Daily.
Oh for fuck's sake
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:41:51am |
re: #302 Gus
Michael Savage: Was Breitbart assassinated?
Media activist recently promised to publish revealing Obama videosDerp! World Nut Daily.
Comments are a hoot. Por ejemplo:
this is not the first coincidental death and it reveals a pattern...
we already know li'barry has problems with one grandmother claiming he was born in kenya...
so that begs the question about the other grandmother...did she too die from 'natural causes' or did someone give the order to wack li'barry's grandmother in hawaii so close to the election?...
was she planning to come forward with evidence that would dispute his hawaiian birth claims or was it just needed to get the papers she had to make sure they would never become public?
was is it barry himself? rahm? soros? axelrod? michelle? who gave the order?
we must remember that marxists and communists will do ANYTHING to gain and keep totalitarian power..."the ends justify the means"
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:42:16am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:42:51am |
Breitbart was a racist scumbag.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:44:04am |
re: #275 Gus
I'll take that as endorsement from ElBaradei for a trial in which "defendants in Egyptian criminal cases are humiliated by standing imprisoned in a metal cage that serves as a docket."
Needless to say I was never a "fan" of his.
I'm not a fan of ElBaradei either. I must say that the "cage" I've seen in news photos seems to imply "guilty before proven".
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:46:06am |
re: #304 ggt
Hey all!
I finally downloaded Google Chrome (ggt takes bow). Now, it imported my favorites from Safari, which I haven't used in a long time. I was using Firefox and it didn't even give me the option of importing from Firefox.
How do I tell it to get my "favorites" from Firefox?
Oh, I think curs-ed virus and sinus infection are finally abating.
How are you?
I switched to chrome to. Works really well. In the upper right there's a wrench icon. Click it and go to bookmarks, then import bookmarks. There should be an option for Firefox.
I have a damn cold too. All week i've been sleeping 12 hours per night plus a couple hours of nap time. I'm beat and I have a shitload of physical work to be done. Very frustrating.
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:48:02am |
Just when I was beginning to love my new Canon 60D, out comes Canon with the Canon 5D Mark III. *drool*
No way the Mrs. would let me buy that unless I go pro. And that's not happening - yet...
The Mark III has vastly improved low light capabilities - ISO range of 100 to 25600 is expandable, when shooting stills, all the way up to 102,400 (two stops higher than the D800) and down to 50. When switched over to video mode there’s a hard-stop at 25,600, same as its predecessor.
On the 60D, I've got a range of 100 to 12800, though the Mark III doesn't have the tilt-swivel back monitor.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:52:09am |
re: #233 RogueOne
Indiana is still trying to deal with the fallout over the state supreme court ruling last year. The Senate already passed a bill now it's the House's turn:
Right to resist police in Indiana clarified in legislation
[Link: www.indystar.com...]
On my fb.
This is the most mind boggling court decision I've read about. It seems to directly challenge the Constitution yet it got little national press.
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jaunte Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:52:31am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:53:13am |
re: #310 Killgore Trout
I switched to chrome to. Works really well. In the upper right there's a wrench icon. Click it and go to bookmarks, then import bookmarks. There should be an option for Firefox.
I have a damn cold too. All week i've been sleeping 12 hours per night plus a couple hours of nap time. I'm beat and I have a shitload of physical work to be done. Very frustrating.
feel better Kilgore!
Thanks for the Chrome mini-lesson.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:53:49am |
re: #310 Killgore Trout
I switched to chrome to. Works really well. In the upper right there's a wrench icon. Click it and go to bookmarks, then import bookmarks. There should be an option for Firefox.
I have a damn cold too. All week i've been sleeping 12 hours per night plus a couple hours of nap time. I'm beat and I have a shitload of physical work to be done. Very frustrating.
nah, it only gave me the Safari option.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:55:04am |
re: #311 lawhawk
Just when I was beginning to love my new Canon 60D, out comes Canon with the Canon 5D Mark III. *drool*
No way the Mrs. would let me buy that unless I go pro. And that's not happening - yet...
The Mark III has vastly improved low light capabilities - ISO range of 100 to 25600 is expandable, when shooting stills, all the way up to 102,400 (two stops higher than the D800) and down to 50. When switched over to video mode there’s a hard-stop at 25,600, same as its predecessor.
On the 60D, I've got a range of 100 to 12800, though the Mark III doesn't have the tilt-swivel back monitor.
I'm still trying to figure how how to take a good picture of my dogs with my new Sony Cybershot.
Dogs keep sniffing the lens and I get lots of "noise" as a result.
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Varek Raith Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:55:18am |
re: #299 Gus
Here's the paper:
SpeechJammer: A System Utilizing Artificial Speech Disturbance with Delayed Auditory Feedback
We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:57:05am |
Ah, for some reason Safari must be set as my default. Which doesn't make any sense, but I will go with that theory.
How do I tell my macbook that firefox is my default?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:57:26am |
re: #315 ggt
nah, it only gave me the Safari option.
under "Import bookmarks and settings"? Hmmm...I'm stumped.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:57:56am |
re: #315 ggt
Could your FF be installed improperly?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:58:33am |
re: #320 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
Could your FF be installed improperly?
Of course, it has been giving me all kinds of problems. Spinning wheel of death, loud fan noises . . . .
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:59:26am |
re: #318 ggt
Ah, for some reason Safari must be set as my default. Which doesn't make any sense, but I will go with that theory.
How do I tell my macbook that firefox is my default?
"Open Safari
Go to preferences
'General' Tab
Select the default browser from there."
Something I just Googled.
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Varek Raith Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:59:40am |
re: #321 ggt
Of course, it has been giving me all kinds of problems. Spinning wheel of death, loud fan noises . . .
Loud fan noises?
Have you cleaned out your PC's case?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:59:56am |
re: #322 Gus
"Open Safari
Go to preferences
'General' Tab
Select the default browser from there."
Something I just Googled.
You are sooo kewl!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:00:40am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:02:02am |
re: #323 Varek Raith
Loud fan noises?
Have you cleaned out your PC's case?
Yeah, I took it to the Apple Genius Bar. They opened the back and blew it out. I bought a plastic thingy to cover the keyboard to keep the cig ashes out.
It only does it when I have photoshop and firefox open at the same time and the Activity Monitor shows I am out of space. So as long as I don't have too many applications open at once, all is good. If I run FF I can run only FF or my "activity" space is used up.
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Varek Raith Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:03:19am |
re: #326 ggt
Yeah, I took it to the Apple Genius Bar. They opened the back and blew it out. I bought a plastic thingy to cover the keyboard to keep the cig ashes out.
It only does it when I have photoshop and firefox open at the same time and the Activity Monitor shows I am out of space. So as long as I don't have too many applications open at once, all is good. If I run FF I can run only FF or my "activity" space is used up.
Most fans ramp up their speed automatically as the heat increases. Using photoshop can certainly cause that.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:04:02am |
re: #322 Gus
"Open Safari
Go to preferences
'General' Tab
Select the default browser from there."
Something I just Googled.
There is no 'General" tab.
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:04:07am |
More socialism: Obama's top economist picks Milton Friedman as the best guide to the Gt Depression bit.ly/zzTLat
— davidfrum (@davidfrum) March 2, 2012
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:04:43am |
re: #327 Varek Raith
Most fans ramp up their speed automatically as the heat increases. Using photoshop can certainly cause that.
Yeah, it started when I installed Photoshop, so I figured that was it. The "Genius" seemed to think it shouldn't do that.
Oh well.
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Varek Raith Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:05:30am |
re: #330 ggt
Yeah, it started when I installed Photoshop, so I figured that was it. The "Genius" seemed to think it shouldn't do that.
Oh well.
Well...
I'd take their word over mine.
You have a Mac?
I'm not too knowledgeable about them.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:06:55am |
re: #331 Varek Raith
Well...
I'd take their word over mine.
You have a Mac?
I'm not too knowledgeable about them.
I know, They guy wasn't too concerned. He hooked it up to whatever they hook it up to and told me it was running fine.
I figured he was a guy and probably never multi-tasked the way I multi-task. I just close applications and it seems to get better.
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Lidane Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:07:01am |
Morning, Lizards!
Looks like El Rushbo's disgusting, sexist attacks are getting noticed on the right. First Carly Fiorina and her demon sheep are mad:
And Erick, Son of Erick and the idiots at RedState show they just don't get it.
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:07:35am |
Volunteer Posse Guy verbifies a noun:
[...]
And Zullo insisted Arpaio has jurisdiction.
He said the electronic document put up online by the White House "was a representation made to the people of Maricopa County," he said. "You fraud one person in Maricopa County with that, you fraud every person in Maricopa County."
Zullo stressed, though, "we are not accusing Mr. Obama of creating this document."
"At this juncture, we have advised Sheriff Arpaio we believe there should be a full-blown criminal investigation because a fraud has been committed in Maricopa County and the state of Arizona," Zullo said. "The document is fake. The representations, therefore, are fake."
Arpaio said the investigation was not designed to divert attention from the Justice Department investigation into allegations of racial profiling by his deputies.
It was started before he was notified he was under investigation, Arpaio said.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:08:27am |
re: #335 wrenchwench
There's this handy word 'defraud' they could try out.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:08:39am |
re: #333 Lidane
Morning, Lizards!
Looks like El Rushbo's disgusting, sexist attacks are getting noticed on the right. First Carly Fiorina and her demon sheep are mad:
[Embedded content]And Erick, Son of Erick and the idiots at RedState show they just don't get it.
"Well of course Rush Limbaugh was being insulting. It is not something I would do, "
Says the man who called a supreme court judge a goat f***er if memory serves.
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Shropshire_Slasher Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:09:05am |
Its lunch time and I'm singing showtunes from Annie.
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:09:09am |
re: #336 Obdicut
There's this handy word 'defraud' they could try out.
He thought that meant 'unfraud'.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:09:14am |
Are there practical legal ways of getting rid of Arpaio based on the birther thing? Like sheer incompetence. I figure not, but I had to ask.
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Ghazicide Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:09:17am |
re: #333 Lidane
Erick Erickson, for lack of a better term, is a fucking moron.
And he's an editor of a blog.
Which demeans the title.
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Varek Raith Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:09:17am |
I had dinner at Olive Garden last night.
I had the steak toscano.
It was awesome.
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jaunte Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:09:34am |
re: #333 Lidane
Erick need to read Adam Serwer's piece:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Simply Sarah Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:09:46am |
re: #333 Lidane
Morning, Lizards!
Looks like El Rushbo's disgusting, sexist attacks are getting noticed on the right. First Carly Fiorina and her demon sheep are mad:
[Embedded content]And Erick, Son of Erick and the idiots at RedState show they just don't get it.
Shockingly (Not really), it seems to mostly be guys that don't get it. What Rush said was an attack not just on Ms. Fluke but on women in general. He deserves any blowback he gets from this and I hope there's a lot of it.
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Varek Raith Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:09:55am |
re: #336 Obdicut
There's this handy word 'defraud' they could try out.
Stop trying to fraud him out of a word usage!
Jerk.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:10:39am |
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:11:29am |
re: #340 The Ineffable Name
Are there practical legal ways of getting rid of Arpaio based on the birther thing? Like sheer incompetence. I figure not, but I had to ask.
There is already a recall effort underway, unrelated to this latest stupidity. And then there's Father Time...
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Varek Raith Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:11:29am |
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:11:39am |
re: #338 Tommy
Its lunch time and I'm singing showtunes from Annie.
The sun will come out, tomorrow!
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Eventual Carrion Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:11:42am |
re: #277 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Just curious, but what do the folk doing IT and related work using for change control software and processes?
For Example:
In old VAX days we had the CMS and MMS applications tied together and used for version tracking and also rebuilding of executables.Currently it's TeamTrack for non-SAP and using SAP Solution Manager (SolMan) for SAP work.
We are using SourceGear Vault for source control/versioning. It is ok (and much better than SharePoint that one job I was on was trying to make work). My area of responsibility right now is more of a "fix as needed" type thing or totally new job request. It is a custom job scheduling platform running on distributed servers (of all different windoze versions and service pack levels, adding to the pain). The actual scheduling platform is pretty set with just a few tweaks that need done (eventually). Most updates are by way of separate jobs dll's needed updated and sent to the server to execute when scheduled (dll's are loaded dynamically so they are not bound to the scheduler execution engine until runtime).
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:11:43am |
re: #334 Gus
Try this.
[Link: support.mozilla.org...]
Yeah, thanks,
It is set as default, but Chrome still only gives me the safari option.
I'm still not feeling well enough to deal with this today. I'll let it go for now.
Thanks for all your help.
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jaunte Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:11:45am |
re: #336 Obdicut
That might smirch his vocabulary; then it besmirched.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:11:51am |
re: #347 Tommy
That's some crazed confederate sent him a fan package.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:12:04am |
re: #347 Tommy
Heh, bomb squad at Rush's house.
Again? They were there yesterday. Guess they liked his house.
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Varek Raith Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:12:26am |
re: #355 The Ineffable Name
Again? They were there yesterday. Guess they liked his house.
They were?
Yikes.
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Shropshire_Slasher Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:12:39am |
re: #350 Gus
You in my house? Come on out, chicken chili, meek and mild like me.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:12:49am |
re: #344 Simply Sarah
Shockingly (Not really), it seems to mostly be guys that don't get it. What Rush said was an attack not just on Ms. Fluke but on women in general. He deserves any blowback he gets from this and I hope there's a lot of it.
It's an attach on human beings, not just women.
To objectify one subset of humans is an assault on all humans.
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:14:14am |
ICYMI
Package at Rush Limbaugh's Home Not Harmful, Police Say
Instead, police say the item investigated Thursday turned out to be an electronic plaque sent by a listener of the radio talk show host's program as a "business opportunity" for him. It concerned the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln by John Wilkes Booth.
...
The sender apologized when investigators contacted him.
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Shropshire_Slasher Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:14:24am |
re: #355 The Ineffable Name
He is talking about it today, musta been yesterday.
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Shropshire_Slasher Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:15:18am |
Rush x-rays his mail, who woulda thought that?
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:16:13am |
Just as we suspected:
Town police and the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office bomb squad opened the unsolicited 18-by-18-inch package around 7 p.m. to discover it contained an electronic plaque commemorating the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln by John Wilkes Booth, said Fred Hess, Palm Beach police spokesman.
[Link: www.palmbeachpost.com...]
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Varek Raith Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:17:13am |
re: #362 Gus
Just as we suspected:
Town police and the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office bomb squad opened the unsolicited 18-by-18-inch package around 7 p.m. to discover it contained an electronic plaque commemorating the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln by John Wilkes Booth, said Fred Hess, Palm Beach police spokesman.
[Link: www.palmbeachpost.com...]
Nutter.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:17:15am |
re: #358 ggt
It's an attach on human beings, not just women.
To objectify one subset of humans is an assault on all humans.
Well, true, but it hits more directly and harder against women in this case. Everyone suffers for it in the end, though. And it comes from a utter lack of respect for women from Rush.
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allegro Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:24:37am |
re: #344 Simply Sarah
Shockingly (Not really), it seems to mostly be guys that don't get it. What Rush said was an attack not just on Ms. Fluke but on women in general. He deserves any blowback he gets from this and I hope there's a lot of it.
And I keep seeing this "demand for taxpayers to pay for their sex" lie. This has nothing to do with taxes and never has. It is a requirement for health insurance companies with prescription plans to eliminate the co-pay for prescription birth control. Those plans are paid for in premiums by the women directly and in the form of employer contribution that is part of their salary package. Why is this lie continuing to go uncorrected?
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kirghazi Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:28:23am |
re: #366 allegro
And I keep seeing this "demand for taxpayers to pay for their sex" lie. This has nothing to do with taxes and never has. It is a requirement for health insurance companies with prescription plans to eliminate the co-pay for prescription birth control. Those plans are paid for in premiums by the women directly and in the form of employer contribution that is part of their salary package. Why is this lie continuing to go uncorrected?
Because people are dealing with a shotgun blast and have only tweezers.
It's a group of lies. People are trying to deal with them in what they perceive as priority order. Unfortunately this means some, like the one you note, linger so long they become harder to challenge, part of "conventional wisdom". (An oxymoron, I admit.)
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Simply Sarah Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:28:41am |
re: #366 allegro
And I keep seeing this "demand for taxpayers to pay for their sex" lie. This has nothing to do with taxes and never has. It is a requirement for health insurance companies with prescription plans to eliminate the co-pay for prescription birth control. Those plans are paid for in premiums by the women directly and in the form of employer contribution that is part of their salary package. Why is this lie continuing to go uncorrected?
And not just that, but since birth control saves money in the long run, there's really no added cost to the insurance companies. Rather, it lowers the cost for them to provide coverage. Really, what is being said is "I want workers/taxpayers to pay more because I don't want people having sex!"
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Neutral President Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:28:53am |
re: #366 allegro
The same reason that "Obamacare = Government healthcare" (even though it's hardly anything of the sort) lie keeps getting tossed around. People believe it and think all this contraception talk is part of that "government health care" stuff.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:31:54am |
re: #370 ArchangelMichael
The same reason that "Obamacare = Government healthcare" (even though it's hardly anything of the sort) lie keeps getting tossed around. People believe it and think all this contraception talk is part of that "government health care" stuff.
Of course, if you say anything to these same people about cutting Medicare, well, watch your head.
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Neutral President Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:38:03am |
re: #371 Simply Sarah
Of course, if you say anything to these same people about cutting Medicare, well, watch your head.
To be fair... Part of that attitude can be attributed to them paying into the fund for that throughout their career separately from their income taxes.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:39:41am |
re: #372 ArchangelMichael
To be fair... Part of that attitude can be attributed to them paying into the fund for that throughout their career separately from their income taxes.
So? It's still a government run plan. I just don't buy that line of thinking.
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allegro Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:39:55am |
re: #372 ArchangelMichael
To be fair... Part of that attitude can be attributed to them paying into the fund for that through out their career separately from their income taxes.
And health insurance is paid by premiums that are separate from income taxes as well.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:40:02am |
Last night's dinner, thought I'd share the recipe:
BBQ pork and Kale potatoes:
3-4 lbs. Pork spareribs
1 bunch fresh Kale
10 potatoes
1 lb bacon
Milk
Sauce: (I double this)
1 cup Ketchup
1/3 cup Worcestershire sauce
1/2 cup water
1 tsp chili powder
1 tsp Salt
Sauce directions:
Combine ingredients in a sauce pan and bring to a boil stirring occasionally. Let simmer for a little while (you can use it once it hits boiling).
Meat:
Heat oven to 450 degrees, place ribs in baking dish and salt them. Roast at 450 for half an hour then reduce heat to 350, pour sauce over ribs and cover dish. Bake for 1 1/2 hours basting with the sauce every 15 minutes or so.
Potatoes:
Cook bacon and allow to cool then crumble into small pieces, set aside and save the bacon grease. Chop up potatoes and kale and boil together until done. Combine bacon and potatoes/kale in a large bowl for mashing, add in about 2 tbsp of bacon grease and milk, mash.
Pull ribs from oven and let cool, put sauce in a dish with a spoon to serve over meat and potatoes.
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Neutral President Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:42:40am |
re: #373 Simply Sarah
So? It's still a government run plan. I just don't buy that line of thinking.
Yes but to call it a taxpayer-funded entitlement (and saying entitlement as if it's a pejorative like GOP talking heads always do) is incorrect.
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:42:43am |
re: #90 Slumbering Behemoth
He's dead,
JimSergey.Anything more to be said on this day is for eulogists, apologists, and despicable vultures looking to feed upon the rancid carrion of schadenfreude.
Charles? Rotating title?
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Simply Sarah Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:45:19am |
re: #376 ArchangelMichael
Yes but to call it a taxpayer-funded entitlement (and saying entitlement as if it's a pejorative like GOP talking heads always do) is incorrect.
That's true, but I'm really not interested in playing that game, since what is 'good' government versus 'bad' government is a constantly phase-shifting, time-traveling, dimension-warping target.
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Neutral President Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:50:19am |
re: #378 Simply Sarah
That's true, but I'm really not interested in playing that game, since what is 'good' government versus 'bad' government is a constantly phase-shifting, time-traveling, dimension-warping target.
I wasn't trying to excuse or justify these people's attitudes, just offer an explanation of what version of pretzel-logic they were using to come to the conclusion and ignore the cognitive dissonance.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:52:16am |
Dog In Voter Fraud Stunt Belonged To Heather Wilson Senate Campaign Staffer
Is it just me or are the only people committing Voter Fraud Republicans trying to warn people about Voter Fraud?
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:53:31am |
10 questions with Rick Santorum.
He.Just.Doesn't.Get.It.
Name the subject, and he just doesn't get it - economics, etc.
But he had a curious comment that capitalism encourages morality. That got my attention.
Q: You’re known as a critic of American culture and someone who’s concerned about the morality of the culture. When you look at corporate America and Wall Street, do you admire the culture?
A (Santorum). Capitalism actually encourages morality because capitalism can’t function well if people can’t trust each other and people aren’t honest, if a deal isn’t a deal. That’s not to say that people don’t do bad things and commit fraud. But the more moral the people are in their business dealings, the less paperwork you need, the more handshakes you can have, the more the wheels of capitalism work better because there’s trust in the marketplace. Business ethics is not a joke. And, in fact, I think most businesses that I’ve dealt with encourage exactly that type of behavior.
Sorry, but capitalism and morality are separate and distinct - if your motivation is profit, then you're going to do whatever it is to maximize profit. A company or businessperson engaging in transactions that encourages a moral position (take green policies) would be willing to sacrifice profit for their position - that's not encouraged under capitalism. It's the opposite.
Encouraging moral behavior requires a level of regulation - good business practices so that there's transparency on transactions, businesses don't pollute to avoid the costs of disposal of wastes, etc.
Santorum seems to ignore that many business practices he speaks of are responses of legislative and regulatory codes to clean up business practices (take employment discrimination, safe working environments, etc.)
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:55:59am |
re: #380 Kragar
Dog In Voter Fraud Stunt Belonged To Heather Wilson Senate Campaign Staffer
Is it just me or are the only people committing Voter Fraud Republicans trying to warn people about Voter Fraud?
Just priming the pump for when the barrage of Voter ID laws hit this summer.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:57:35am |
re: #381 lawhawk
couple that with a recent study showing the rich are less ethical than the rest of us.
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allegro Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:59:40am |
re: #380 Kragar
Dog In Voter Fraud Stunt Belonged To Heather Wilson Senate Campaign Staffer
Is it just me or are the only people committing Voter Fraud Republicans trying to warn people about Voter Fraud?
They are trying get ready for the ass trouncing the party is fixing to get in November.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:03:24am |
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Simply Sarah Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:03:49am |
re: #381 lawhawk
10 questions with Rick Santorum.
He.Just.Doesn't.Get.It.
Name the subject, and he just doesn't get it - economics, etc.
But he had a curious comment that capitalism encourages morality. That got my attention.
Sorry, but capitalism and morality are separate and distinct - if your motivation is profit, then you're going to do whatever it is to maximize profit. A company or businessperson engaging in transactions that encourages a moral position (take green policies) would be willing to sacrifice profit for their position - that's not encouraged under capitalism. It's the opposite.
Encouraging moral behavior requires a level of regulation - good business practices so that there's transparency on transactions, businesses don't pollute to avoid the costs of disposal of wastes, etc.
Santorum seems to ignore that many business practices he speaks of are responses of legislative and regulatory codes to clean up business practices (take employment discrimination, safe working environments, etc.)
This seems to just be an example of the Cold War originated meme that Capitalism = Democracy = Moral/Right/Good. If anything, it seems to have picked up steam since the USSR fell. And, of course, it uses a rather twisted definition of capitalism.
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Neutral President Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:03:52am |
re: #384 allegro
They are trying get ready for the ass trouncing the party is fixing to get in November.
The certainty of that ass-trouncing might be in question if the average apathethic 'merkin who doesn't pay attention or think deeply about politics or world issues can be made to believe:
Obama can't help the economy (or made it worse because he's MAO!).
Gas Prices are the democrats fault because they wont let us drill baby drill.
The above is more important than idiots ranting about abortion and contraception.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:06:02am |
re: #387 ArchangelMichael
The certainty of that ass-trouncing might be in question if the average apathethic 'merkin who doesn't pay attention or think deeply about politics or world issues can be made to believe:
Obama can't help the economy (or made it worse because he's MAO!).
Gas Prices are the democrats fault because they wont let us drill baby drill.
The above is more important than idiots ranting about abortion and contraception.
I have to agree here. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned with how out of touch with reality so many voters seem to be.
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:13:23am |
Good to see Limbaugh getting hammered from almost all sides today. What a puke.
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Stanghazi Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:14:14am |
Stephen White @sgw94
RT @rkref RT @mpoindc:
President Obama just called Sandra Fluke in the green room before Fluke goes on @mitchellreports.
6m Talking Points Memo @TPM
Fluke on Obama: "He said I should tell my parents that they should be proud"
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Kragar Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:14:20am |
re: #389 Gus
Good to see Limbaugh getting hammered from almost all sides today. What a puke.
He started his show with another misogynistic rant, but it took him a whole 10 minutes before he linked it back to Fluke.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:16:47am |
THE NEWLYWEDS are here for the weekend.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:16:55am |
re: #391 Kragar
He started his show with another misogynistic rant, but it took him a whole 10 minutes before he linked it back to Fluke.
I really, really hope this ends up being a bridge too far for him. I'm mean, I know that realistically that's not going to happen with the amount of money he brings in, but a girl can dream, can't she?
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Kragar Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:19:15am |
re: #393 Simply Sarah
I really, really hope this ends up being a bridge too far for him. I'm mean, I know that realistically that's not going to happen with the amount of money he brings in, but a girl can dream, can't she?
I'm hoping one of his RentBoys comes forward.
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Varek Raith Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:24:57am |
re: #389 Gus
Good to see Limbaugh getting hammered from almost all sides today. What a puke.
He finally said something that even those on the far right can hate.
Didn't think he could do that.
Amazing.
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HappyBenghazi Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:27:49am |
It's too bad that Limbaugh hasn't gotten this in the past because he's said equally vile crap. Glad he is though nonetheless. The man's made a career out of being a jerk and judging other people while he clearly has problems himself.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:29:50am |
re: #396 HappyWarrior
It's too bad that Limbaugh hasn't gotten this in the past because he's said equally vile crap. Glad he is though nonetheless. The man's made a career out of being a jerk and judging other people while he clearly has problems himself.
Oh, he's long overdue for being knocked down several pegs, to say the least.
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Neutral President Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:32:56am |
re: #397 Simply Sarah
Oh, he's long overdue for being knocked down several pegs, to say the least.
I'm just waiting to see if he gets sued over this. He slanders a law student on national radio and expects no repercussions?
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HappyBenghazi Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:39:53am |
re: #397 Simply Sarah
Oh, he's long overdue for being knocked down several pegs, to say the least.
Yep, I really too think he went a step too far this time though. It's getting attention from people who aren't usually politically. My cousin isn't political at all but she had a nice post today on facebook calling him out for the ass he is.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:42:32am |
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HappyBenghazi Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:44:36am |
re: #400 Kragar
Obama Calls Georgetown Law Student Who Testified At Contraception Hearing
A classy move on the President's part.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:44:45am |
re: #399 HappyWarrior
Yep, I really too think he went a step too far this time though. It's getting attention from people who aren't usually politically. My cousin isn't political at all but she had a nice post today on facebook calling him out for the ass he is.
The question is: Why now? As you and others have said, this is far from the first time Rush has made comments like there. Rather, he makes them all the time as best as I can tell. Was it because of how much of an uproar already exists around these issues right now? Was it because this wasn't a known political figure he targeted? Or was it, as I fear it might be, because he targeted a young, attractive white girl this time and that was able to get better play?
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HappyBenghazi Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:49:52am |
re: #402 Simply Sarah
The question is: Why now? As you and others have said, this is far from the first time Rush has made comments like there. Rather, he makes them all the time as best as I can tell. Was it because of how much of an uproar already exists around these issues right now? Was it because this wasn't a known political figure he targeted? Or was it, as I fear it might be, because he targeted a young, attractive white girl this time and that was able to get better play?
I think it was the fact she's an ordinary person not some politician or abstract group. Like if he had said liberal women are sluts, there wouldn't be the outrage, not saying I would agree with that but when he calls Sandra Fluke, a woman who wanted to testify about her friend losing an ovary due to these policies, a woman that I imagine many women could see as themselves or daughters and men could see as their girlfriend, sister, or daughter, then I think that's when people get upset. And what's unfortunate is the President calling her is going to make Limbaugh, Malkin, and those other jerks justify it.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:51:35am |
re: #400 Kragar
What a great guy.
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