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1 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:52:08pm

No good for you,no better for me.

2 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:05:42pm

what a weird day

3 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:05:45pm

Since this is the overnight, I am going to to repost this from the last thread. It think it needs discussion:

Does anyone else find this insurance debate tedious? Birth control pills have been a safe and effective prevention of unwanted pregnancy for 50 years. That would be half a century.

This is a basic ability for women to control when and if they become pregnant, and to do so when they are ready, emotionally and financially, to have a child.

The fact that this is a debate in any way, shape, or form is indicative of how far we have regressed as a society because of the influence of people who simply cannot accept the modern world.

These are social Luddites. Religious dead enders. Fanatics. Viable Republican candidates.

4 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:07:15pm

re: #3 austin_blue

the entire thing is election cycle politics. republican politicians desperately grasping for something to go after the black fellow in the white house with.

5 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:09:44pm

re: #3 austin_blue

Since this is the overnight, I am going to to repost this from the last thread. It think it needs discussion:

Does anyone else find this insurance debate tedious? Birth control pills have been a safe and effective prevention of unwanted pregnancy for 50 years. That would be half a century.
...

Let's see... 2012 - 50 = 1962.

Well, that's almost there... almost to the magickal realm of 1950's America.

6 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:10:16pm

re: #4 SpaceJesus

the entire thing is election cycle politics. republican politicians desperately grasping for something to go after the black fellow in the white house with.

My man, I wish it was true. But how can they backtrack off of these extreme positions? "Just Kidding!" doesn't feed the bulldog.

7 jaunte  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:11:11pm

re: #3 austin_blue

Desperate old men who see their grip on power slipping.

8 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:12:31pm

re: #7 jaunte

Desperate old men who see their grip on power slipping.

Then why would any woman support them?

9 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:13:19pm

re: #6 austin_blue

I dunno, but it's something they've been doing since the 70s. The religious right is like some creature living under the stairs that the GOP has been feeding for decades. Now it wants a seat at the table, and the GOP leadership is scared shitless.

10 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:13:25pm

re: #8 austin_blue

Then why would any woman support them?

Don't you know? Women were created to serve man, and will only be fulfilled when they submit to their husbands.

11 jaunte  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:13:49pm

re: #8 austin_blue

It's mysterious. Stockholm syndrome maybe?

12 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:14:45pm

Forgive me... I've been reading fundamentalists blogs analyzing their recent gnashings over the genetic impossibility of there being just one Adam and Eve a few thousand years ago.

13 Ghazicide  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:18:15pm

re: #3 austin_blue

Does anyone else find this insurance debate tedious?

Yes.It's all they got.

November should be quite a hoot.

14 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:18:44pm

re: #4 SpaceJesus

the entire thing is election cycle politics. republican politicians desperately grasping for something to go after the black fellow in the white house with.

Pretty much. Even though this is something that continues to poll increasingly against them, they're convinced that it's the tonic that they need...for now, anyways. With the defeat of Blunt's amendment, it's likely that tactic will be moved to the backburner for awhile, as they try to attack him more and more on the gas price front.

15 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:20:08pm

We get a bonus "letter to the editor" tonight (previous one is downstairs):

LETTER: Release time schools

Concerning the letter “Distractions” in the March 1 Gadsden Times, the writer referred to “the ridiculous release time initiative by Rep. Blaine Galliher.” [A proposed Alabama law allowing public school children to attend religion classes at private facilities, for credit.] Since the writer is so enthusiastic about evolution, he should ask his school board to allow him to establish a released time school in his district. He could teach kids how Mr. Darwin passionately hated God and had no other motivation than to destroy Christianity; how to invert the Second Law of Thermodynamics so that things get better through the ages rather than worse.

Creation and evolution are opposite, irreconcilable world views. Neither is a legitimate subject for science since neither can be subjected to observation and cannot be reproduced. Since neither philosophy can be scientifically proven, if one calls itself science, so should the other. Creationism, based as it is upon the Bible, was entirely satisfactory to believers, and creation science would not exist if evolution had not challenged the Creator.

RT schools, as Mr. Galliher envisions them, will be taught by teachers with degrees in science from accredited institutions. Mr. Galliher, like most of us, believe that people should have evidence so they can decide for themselves what they wish to believe. If it is “ridiculous,” then let the student and his parents decide. We don’t need letter writers to tell us what is ridiculous. The NEA and the National Science Foundation do that very efficiently.

Speaking of books, try “The Biblical Basis for Modern Science” by Henry M. Morris, available from ICR.

Joseph Kennedy

Southside

2ND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS!!

This is America.

16 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:23:11pm

re: #15 freetoken

We get a bonus "letter to the editor" tonight (previous one is downstairs):

LETTER: Release time schools

2ND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS!!

This is America.

Okay, that bit of "wisdom" just made my head hurt. It sincerely sounds to me like somebody trying to sound smart and "scientific" and simply sounding like a well-educated idiot instead.

17 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:25:55pm

re: #12 freetoken

sounds like you need a change of pace, here try this one on for size

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

18 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:26:48pm

re: #12 freetoken

But don't you know? Noah's impossible colossus of a boat ended up turning into the continent of Australia. That's why there's all those weirdy-woo creatures down under.
/

19 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:27:44pm

re: #13 Kronocide

Yes.It's all they got.

November should be quite a hoot.

It's hard to tell what is going to happen...I think the GOP race has gone to just about every tangent possible..I'm pretty sure the uncoming Oct. Surprise won't surprise anyone at this point

20 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:31:39pm

re: #15 freetoken

This is America.

It is the world. As a country, we are not alone in the shallow pool of ignorance and stupidity.

And no, this fact does not comfort me in any way.

21 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:31:58pm

re: #19 HoosierHoops

It's hard to tell what is going to happen...I think the GOP race has gone to just about every tangent possible..I'm pretty sure the uncoming Oct. Surprise won't surprise anyone at this point

At this point, the only October Surprise I could see actually swinging things in any major fashion would be an attack on Iran or a Greek/Chinese economic collapse that precipitated a run on the stock market.

22 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:32:25pm

Neither is a legitimate subject for science since neither can be subjected to observation and cannot be reproduced

evolution is a fact. darwin proposed a theory as to how it operates

if you deny that the fossil record demonstrates that evolution is a fact, either you fall down a rabbit hole of epistemological theorizing about "how do we know what we know?", or you take an acid trip in a fairy tale land where god waves his magic wand to make reality whatever he wants it to be, and nobody is allowed to ask how you prove god by subjecting him to scientific observation

it all reminds me of the famous story about bishop berkeley - who, most appropriately, the people's republic of berkeley is named after - and samuel johnson:

After we came out of the church, we stood talking for some time together of Bishop Berkeley's ingenious sophistry to prove the nonexistence of matter, and that every thing in the universe is merely ideal. I observed, that though we are satisfied his doctrine is not true, it is impossible to refute it. I never shall forget the alacrity with which Johnson answered, striking his foot with mighty force against a large stone, till he rebounded from it -- "I refute it thus."

so, we might respond the idea that evolution cannot be proven by taking a large dinosaur jaw and whacking some creationist upside the head while saying "i refute it thus!"

23 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:33:26pm

re: #18 Slumbering Behemoth

Amazingly, that's sort of what it all boils down to.

Some of them are very, very well educated, as far as traditionalism and classics (theology, Greek & Latin, philosophy) are concerned. Multi-syllabic words are no problem; extensive grammatically correct English in its full Germanic glory - no problem.

Yet the back flips needed to defend the idea that a literal Adam and Eve are absolutely required defies any rational explanation. That's why I contend that creationism is a mental illness - it really is a distortion of the human ability to perceive the world around them with their senses. Even the ancient Greeks had come to the conclusion that things change and they had no modern tools for analysis.

24 Lidane  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:34:05pm

re: #7 jaunte

Desperate old white men who see their grip on power slipping.

FTFY

25 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:35:42pm

re: #17 SpaceJesus

Best laugh line in that thread:

Are they trying to scare off Arpaio. He must be getting close.

26 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:36:10pm

re: #15 freetoken

We get a bonus "letter to the editor" tonight (previous one is downstairs):

LETTER: Release time schools

2ND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS!!

This is America.

This is abject madness.

27 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:36:31pm

re: #22 engineer cat

Creationism is a coping mechanism for those who don't want to accept and feel the depth of the painful world around them.

That's the best I've come up with.

28 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:37:14pm

re: #21 Targetpractice

At this point, the only October Surprise I could see actually swinging things in any major fashion would be an attack on Iran or a Greek/Chinese economic collapse that precipitated a run on the stock market.

We know this..Anything can happen this year in politics...Anything..
It's amazing to watch

29 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:37:14pm

re: #5 freetoken

Let's see... 2012 - 50 = 1962.

Well, that's almost there... almost to the magickal realm of 1950's America.

They'll get there and discover that the actual fifties was nothing like their Nostalgia-VisionTM concept of it. If the puritans ever read Halberstam's The 50s, they'd start aspiring to push us back to the 30s. Then again, maybe the idea of wife-swapping and rampant VD in Levittown secretly titillates them....

30 Lidane  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:39:22pm

re: #16 Targetpractice

Okay, that bit of "wisdom" just made my head hurt. It sincerely sounds to me like somebody trying to sound smart and "scientific" and simply sounding like a well-educated idiot instead.

One of my classmates today was telling the story of how her sister went to college out at a small school in East Texas and in her college biology course, the professor had to explain evolution as something entirely new to the world, because the schools in the area didn't teach it.

This was just a couple of years ago. The kids in my classmate's sister's class were in college, had never been exposed to Darwin, and reacted accordingly. They thought the whole thing was bullshit. That scares me. WTF. How the hell are we supposed to compete in terms of math, science, and technology in the world if basic science like evolution just will not be accepted by people?

31 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:45:54pm

re: #29 The Ghost of a Flea

They'll get there and discover that the actual fifties was nothing like their Nostalgia-VisionTM concept of it. If the puritans ever read Halberstam's The 50s, they'd start aspiring to push us back to the 30s. Then again, maybe the idea of wife-swapping in Levittown secretly titillates them...

i wouldn't be surprised if republican politicians starting railing against short skirts, close dancing, poodle dogs, mixed drinks, and the devil's music next

32 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:46:10pm

re: #30 Lidane

One of the ironic things shaking out of this whole Adam/Eve/genetics mess is that the creationists who cling to an Old Earth idea are now finding themselves on the defense against those Young Earthers who are pointing out that the Old Earth folk have already swallowed the "naturalism" heresy. So, the Old Earth folk are going to find themselves under increasing pressure by the "true" believers.

Ultimately they all will find themselves caught in a fruitless exercise of solipsism.

33 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:46:42pm

re: #27 freetoken

Creationism is a coping mechanism for those who don't want to accept and feel the depth of the painful world around them.

That's the best I've come up with.

The physical world isn't "painful". It's just the world. Young world Creationism assumes that God salted the world with fossils that show that Darwinism is wrong in his fundamental assumptions. It assumes an Active God in the manipulation of the world and its inhabitants.

34 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:49:54pm

re: #31 engineer cat

i wouldn't be surprised if republican politicians starting railing against short skirts, close dancing, poodle dogs, mixed drinks, and the devil's music next

35 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:50:04pm

re: #33 austin_blue

The physical world isn't "painful". It's just the world. Young world Creationism assumes that God salted the world with fossils that show that Darwinism is wrong in his fundamental assumptions. It assumes an Active God in the manipulation of the world and its inhabitants.

Bill Hicks did a great bit about that.

36 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:50:27pm

re: #23 freetoken

Even five year old children do not engage in that kind of olympic grade mental gymnastics when confronted with the idea that Santa Claus might not be real.

As to the average "member of the flock"? Well, I've met many people who believe in the mystical healing powers of rocks.

As to the average profiteer who disseminates such pablum? I think they know full well they are spreading bullshit thick and wide, and haven't a care for it's effect so long as they can profit from it. Tax exempt, of course.

37 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:52:34pm

i think you can only push back the horror with progress back to about 3000 bc, with its newfangled "writing", and "cities", and "wheeled vehicles"

hah! who needs 'em?

much farther back than that and you'd have to be against agriculture

38 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:53:07pm

re: #33 austin_blue

It assumes an Active God in the manipulation of the world and its inhabitants.

Sometimes that is just assumed, and at other times it is more explicitly stated.

Yet the question remains - why do they assume/believe that?

39 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:53:44pm

re: #35 The Right Height

Bill Hicks did a great bit about that.

I miss Hicks. I got drunk with Hicks in 1990 here in Austin. He was a hoot.

40 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:54:37pm

re: #30 Lidane

One of my classmates today was telling the story of how her sister went to college out at a small school in East Texas and in her college biology course, the professor had to explain evolution as something entirely new to the world, because the schools in the area didn't teach it.

This was just a couple of years ago. The kids in my classmate's sister's class were in college, had never been exposed to Darwin, and reacted accordingly. They thought the whole thing was bullshit. That scares me. WTF. How the hell are we supposed to compete in terms of math, science, and technology in the world if basic science like evolution just will not be accepted by people?

It truly does confuse the fuck out of me how such folks can expect to spend their lives denying basic scientific truths or "explaining" them through "creation science," and then expect us to compete on the same terms as others across the globe. There's kids in China who'd look upon that little college student and laugh their ass off.

41 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:55:59pm

re: #38 freetoken

Sometimes that is just assumed, and at other times it is more explicitly stated.

Yet the question remains - why do they assume/believe that?

Because they truly believe that God can intercede and change their lives.

42 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:56:12pm

re: #30 Lidane

How the hell are we supposed to compete in terms of math, science, and technology in the world if basic science like evolution just will not be accepted by people?

I seems like a lot of fundamentalists think that they can just excise bits of scientific information that they're uncomfortable with and that everything else will keep going...In particular that applied science can march on while basic research is curtailed because it poses uncomfortable questions.

There may be a hard core who really think that there's no need for science, period, but most are ignorant of the scope and impact of their demand.
Basically, they want Lysenkoism with a theocratic twist.

43 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:56:27pm

re: #37 engineer cat

i think you can only push back the horror with progress back to about 3000 bc, with its newfangled "writing", and "cities", and "wheeled vehicles"

hah! who needs 'em?

much farther back than that and you'd have to be against agriculture

This is why the Amish are the ultimate hypocrites. There, I said it.

44 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:58:34pm

re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth

This is why the Amish are the ultimate hypocrites. There, I said it.

What?!?! It's not like any Amish person is gonna read that and get offended.
/

45 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:59:35pm

re: #44 Slumbering Behemoth

What?!?! It's not like any Amish person is gonna read that and get offended.
/

It's the Quakers you need to watch out for...

46 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 9:59:37pm

re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth

This is why the Amish are the ultimate hypocrites. There, I said it.

By and large the most efficient small plot farmers in the US. Bad SB!

47 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:02:28pm

re: #41 austin_blue

Because they truly believe that God can intercede and change their lives.

Yes, or in some cases "no" (for those who don't believe in intercessory prayer) as far as volitionally changing what is around them.

Still, this just kicks the can down the road.

By having a God that can change reality willy-nilly they can try and pretend that something they don't like can be magically changed. My contention is simply that this desire to get away from something(s) that is too painful for them to just accept is the drive that forces them to build a house of cards when it comes to understanding the universe around them.

48 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:06:23pm

By God's Will, we abhor modern technology. Except for the bits that allow us to harness beasts, build houses, barns, and carriages, plow and harvest fields, weave clothing that is much more than simple scraps of animal hide in order to properly hide our shame, and forge the tools to do all of the above and more.

If we were in any way honest or true to the nature of our philosophy, we would live in natural caves, fully naked and feeding on grubs. But hey, it's religion.

49 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:07:05pm

re: #42 The Ghost of a Flea

Addendum:

There's an interrelated issue of knowledge, validity, and power in the question of science versus religion. The scientific method incorporates questioning, methods of checking claims, and re-testing. The most aggressive anti-science religious folk are also against asking questions of scripture or of religious authorities. Essentially all knowledge is revealed knowledge, and there is a limited circle of people that possess it.

50 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:08:04pm

re: #45 HoosierHoops

It's the Quakers you need to watch out for...

Fuckin' pacifists. Being all objectively pro-fascist and what not.

51 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:08:38pm

re: #31 engineer cat

i wouldn't be surprised if republican politicians starting railing against short skirts, close dancing, poodle dogs, mixed drinks, and the devil's music next

TAWDRY FLOOZIES RIDING MOTORBIKES!!! WILL THEY INFECT YOUR TOWN NEXT WITH THEIR SOCIALIST PILLS?!?! FASTER LIBERAL! KILL KILL!

52 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:09:05pm

re: #45 HoosierHoops

It's the Quakers you need to watch out for...

their oats will mess you up man

53 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:18:21pm

re: #47 freetoken

Yes, or in some cases "no" (for those who don't believe in intercessory prayer) as far as volitionally changing what is around them.

Still, this just kicks the can down the road.

By having a God that can change reality willy-nilly they can try and pretend that something they don't like can be magically changed. My contention is simply that this desire to get away from something(s) that is too painful for them to just accept is the drive that forces them to build a house of cards when it comes to understanding the universe around them.

Oh, I agree with you completely. Understand that I am come to this argument as a happy Deist. I can't deny or affirm that there was a Creator of the Universe. It's not provable either way. I just don't believe that it (if it exists) it has any actual influence in our world since its creation. As opposed to Theism where we are under some great powers control.

54 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:21:52pm

Gotta wingnut trying to start up the "Obama had Breitbart killed" bit. And all I can do is roll my eyes as I consider the long list of critics of Obama's, many of whom have claimed at one time or another to have the "big scoop" on him that would "end his presidency." You'd think that, if Obama was so paranoid as to knock off anybody who made such a claim, there'd be a lot more critics pushing up daisies right about now.

56 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:31:25pm

re: #54 Targetpractice

Gotta wingnut trying to start up the "Obama had Breitbart" killed bit. And all I can do is roll my eyes as I consider the long list of critics of Obama's, many of whom have claimed at one time or another to have the "big scoop" on him that would "end his presidency." You'd think that, if Obama was so paranoid as to knock off anybody who made such a claim, there'd be a lot more critics pushing up daisies right about now.

Well, no duh. Since he subverted Seal Team 6 to kill OBL to further his political agenda (the destruction of America!!) it's only reasonable that he is using them to target his enemies. But he's being *really smart* about it, secret Muslim, foreign born, Communist that he is. Next are the high school educated pundits Sean and Rush. After that, who knows?

It will undoubtedly be you or me.

Time to buy more guns!

57 Lidane  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:42:07pm

re: #54 Targetpractice

Gotta wingnut trying to start up the "Obama had Breitbart killed" bit. And all I can do is roll my eyes as I consider the long list of critics of Obama's, many of whom have claimed at one time or another to have the "big scoop" on him that would "end his presidency." You'd think that, if Obama was so paranoid as to knock off anybody who made such a claim, there'd be a lot more critics pushing up daisies right about now.

It's just like the paranoid nutbags who swore up and down that Bill Clinton was murdering his critics and anyone who could end his presidency, only with added racism.

58 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:42:26pm

Coming soon to a dance floor on your TV:

59 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:43:36pm

re: #57 Lidane

Heh, as I mentioned downstairs, find the person who killed Vince Foster and you're on the path to finding out who killed Andrew.

Really, there are people who believe that.

60 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:44:15pm

re: #59 freetoken

Heh, as I mentioned downstairs, find the person who killed Vince Foster and you're on the path to finding out who killed Andrew.

Really, there are people who believe that.

Col. Mustard with the revolver.

//

61 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:45:04pm

re: #54 Targetpractice

re: #55 Kragar

First, he'd have to be a credible threat. Drunken, smarmy, deceptively libelous and outright fraudulent is not a "credible threat". If it were, Alex Jones would have disappeared during Bush Sr.'s administration.

Second, if any such speculation held merit, we would be as the poor citizens of North Korea. Constantly observed and threateningly scrutinized for the adequacy of our public adulation of "Dear Leader". Which does not include a private individual or public personality saying "I think you're a dick for calling Obama a jerk" to another private individual or public personality. Not even close.

Third, were any such speculation valid... we would hear nothing of it. No where. Ever. And even if we thought so ourselves, we'd never dare to speak so even to our closest friends for fear of our own lives.

These fuckers want so desperately to believe they live under the thumb of absolute tyranny, yet tragically fail to see the irony in their publicly aired assertions.

62 freetoken  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:47:20pm

Also on DWTS this season:

63 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:48:40pm

re: #61 Slumbering Behemoth

It's like all those who asserted that Loose Change "proved" that 9/11 was a hoax. How do we know it wasn't? Because the creators, their families, and everybody remotely connected to them are still alive and the film is still in circulation. If the government were as omniscient and omnipotent as so many of its crazier critics believe, none of them would still be drawing breath.

64 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 10:57:28pm

I'm very surprised that, in 2012, birth control has become a hot-button issue in a Presidential campaign.

And I would love to see some form of real Universal Health Care in this country.

And I think the arguments the Churches have been using wrt to its paid non-clergy staff are nonsense. Our synagogue doesn't care if our facilities manager eats pork. In fact we want someone who has a different religious perspective because we need someone who's able to work on Friday night and Saturday! Non-Jews are intentionally hired for certain jobs because they're not bound by Jewish law.

That being said, there's one tiny reservation I have to "must cover" provisions in health care: depending on how they're implemented, they prevent people in many states from getting affordable "high-deductable" health insurance. I would love to be able to purchase a plan that covers 0% of my medical expenses up to, say, $7000, and 100% thereafter. Plans like this could be cheap, and could form the basis of a high-risk pool for which a universal catastrophic plan can be based.

But because so many states have "must cover" provisions that even prohibit a deductible, affordable high-deductible coverage is not available in many places. Some states have deductible exclusions for certain childhood ailments, making affordable high-deductible coverage for a woman who can get pregnant unavailable.

Because of this, I have some reservations sticking my neck out to say insurance "must cover" certain things, esp. if those things are mandated to be apart from deductible requirements.

65 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:01:00pm

re: #63 Targetpractice

It's just another form of magical thinking. Like horoscopes, crystal power, Allah, Jesus, or alien abductions.

People want to believe, so they set about constructing an elaborate facade around their most beloved false premise.

As a species, we have progressed by gigantic leaps and bounds scientifically. Emotionally? Not so much.

66 Amory Blaine  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:02:40pm

Saudi Arabia May Be Tied to 9/11, 2 Ex-Senators Say

WASHINGTON — For more than a decade, questions have lingered about the possible role of the Saudi government in the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, even as the royal kingdom has made itself a crucial counterterrorism partner in the eyes of American diplomats.

Now, in sworn statements that seem likely to reignite the debate, two former senators who were privy to top secret information on the Saudis’ activities say they believe that the Saudi government might have played a direct role in the terrorist attacks.

68 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:20:46pm

re: #66 Amory Blaine

Non Sequitur: If Wikileaks is truly about transparency, should they not have already exposed such malfeasance?

Conjecture: It would appear that WL is only interested in smearing American sourced entities.

69 Amory Blaine  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:21:12pm

U.S. court approves warrantless searches of cell phones

(Reuters) - U.S. police can search a cell phone for its number without having a warrant, according to a federal appeals court ruling.

Officers in Indiana found a number of cell phones at the scene of a drug bust, and searched each phone for its telephone number. Having the numbers allowed the government to subpoena the owners' call histories, linking them to the drug-selling scheme.

One of the suspects, Abel Flores-Lopez, who was convicted and sentenced to 10 years in prison, argued on appeal that the police had no right to search the phone's contents without a warrant.

The U.S. Court of Appeal for the 7th Circuit rejected that argument on Wednesday, finding that the invasion of privacy was so slight that the police's actions did not violate the Fourth Amendment's ban on unreasonable searches.

70 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:25:16pm

re: #69 Amory Blaine

U.S. court approves warrantless searches of cell phones

Times like these I do find myself wondering if the tin-foil beanie crowd might not be somewhat right about the slow dissolution of our individual rights.

71 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:26:31pm

re: #63 Targetpractice

It's like all those who asserted that Loose Change "proved" that 9/11 was a hoax. How do we know it wasn't? Because the creators, their families, and everybody remotely connected to them are still alive and the film is still in circulation. If the government were as omniscient and omnipotent as so many of its crazier critics believe, none of them would still be drawing breath.

If this argument is correct, then it is self-defeating, since then the government would indeed leave them alive just to prove it had nothing to do with 9/11. Therefore this argument is not correct. :P

72 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:27:44pm

re: #56 austin_blue

Well, no duh. Since he subverted Seal Team 6 to kill OBL to further his political agenda (the destruction of America!!) it's only reasonable that he is using them to target his enemies. But he's being *really smart* about it, secret Muslim, foreign born, Communist that he is. Next are the high school educated pundits Sean and Rush. After that, who knows?

It will undoubtedly be you or me.

Time to buy more guns!

Come to think of it, Pam Geller has already condemned "Obama's SEALs" (no kidding), so there's just one logical step here.

73 Amory Blaine  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:28:17pm

To get paranoid people going I start like this "Why would the government need to implant transmitters in our bodies when we willingly carry around all the tracking devices they could hope for?"

He he.

74 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:29:13pm

re: #71 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

Observation: There is no end to the rabbit hole. It is an infinite suck of conspiratorial stupidity.

75 Amory Blaine  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:29:56pm

re: #74 HK-47

Wish I was chilling in your den man. ;)

76 Lidane  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:37:01pm

Job applications, cover letters, and resumes... oh my!

The job search rolls on. Even got a new set of business cards for SXSW next week. Should be fun.

77 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:37:27pm

re: #75 Amory Blaine

Statement: My "den" as you call it is an inhospitable environment for imperfect meatbags such as yourself. Sir.

78 Amory Blaine  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:38:02pm

Sounds pretty cool.

79 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:39:52pm

Well, that was distracting for a moment or two. Now, back to you're regularly scheduled Behemoth.

/dik joaks!

80 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:43:43pm

And now a word from my (NSFW) sponsor...

81 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:00:26am

re: #3 austin_blue

These organizations can still continue to oppose the use of birth control and are free to speak out on it. But making it available is not the same as encouraging its use.

But we are dealing with a point of view that seems to feel that everything not forbidden must be made mandatory...

82 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:04:40am

re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth

This is why the Amish are the ultimate hypocrites. There, I said it.

Amish do not reject science or learning. They simply reject everything they see as superfluous to fulfilling our purpose here in life, which they understand as loving and helping each other.

Although I could never embrace their lifestyle, that very view is part of the philosophy that guildes me to determine what is necessary in my own life and what I can live without.

83 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:14:02am

re: #44 HK-47

What?!?! It's not like any Amish person is gonna read that and get offended.
/

I'll make sure to carve this on a birch bark and send it out to them with homing pigeons.

84 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:20:02am

re: #16 Targetpractice

Okay, that bit of "wisdom" just made my head hurt. It sincerely sounds to me like somebody trying to sound smart and "scientific" and simply sounding like a well-educated idiot instead.

It's just somebody who had Chick tracts for textbooks during their homeschooling.

1/2 /

85 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:25:12am

re: #15 freetoken

For chrissakes, any "theory" that posits the existence of a Supreme Being is not objectively verifiable and beyond the scope of science.

The facts that support the theory of Evolution are objectively verifiable. They are subject to scrutiny and varying interpretations but that is how science works - as opposed to religion, which is about believing things that cannot be verified...

The point is that a literal interpretation of Genesis precludes belief in Evolution. There are plenty of people (including the Pope himself) who see no inherent contradiction between a non-literal interpretation of Genesis and Darwin.

86 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:28:56am

re: #82 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Just last night I saw a documentary on a certain sect that only allowed their children to attend public school up to eighth grade but no further, and got pulled up in court for it like anyone else would, while crying "freedom of religion" for something no other could legally do wrt the education of their children.

Meh, another convo for another day, perhaps?

87 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:30:05am

re: #85 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

For chrissakes, any "theory" that posits the existence of a Supreme Being is not objectively verifiable and beyond the scope of science.

It's not about positing the existence as such but rather about requiring active participation of supernatural forces in the process.

88 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:31:05am

re: #83 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

I'll make sure to carve this on a birch bark and send it out to them with homing pigeons.

Beware the Birchmen!

89 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:31:57am

Larry Sinclair is all over the Breitbart story. Figures.

90 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:37:36am

re: #89 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

He's dead, Jim Sergey.

Anything more to be said on this day is for eulogists, apologists, and despicable vultures looking to feed upon the rancid carrion of schadenfreude.

91 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:39:30am

re: #90 Slumbering Behemoth

Yes, yes, I'm patient. /

92 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:42:24am

re: #87 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

It's not about positing the existence as such but rather about requiring active participation of supernatural forces in the process.

Which is something you just have to believe in, innit?

I remember those "studies" that attempted to prove the "effectiveness" of prayer in healing illness.

Of course I had to ask if they had a control group pf people just holding rosaries but chanting from the Koran or the Sutras, for example. Is there a SPU (standard prayer unit), one that, say, consists of three Hail Marys and/or two Our Fathers?

93 Kragar  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:45:14am

Oceans are acidifying faster than ever

The burning of fossil fuels and the release of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere don't affect just the air--it also impacts the Earth's oceans, according to U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

Oceans absorb the carbon dioxide, which in turn increases the water's pH acidity levels. What this means is that coral reefs are growing at a slower rate and the survival of marine species is decreasing, according to NOAA.

Now, the speed at which ocean pH level is changing is faster than any time in the last 300 million years, according to a new study published in the journal Science today.

"Ocean acidification may have severe consequences for marine ecosystems," reads the study. "However, assessing its future impact is difficult because laboratory experiments and field observations are limited by their reduced ecologic complexity and sample period."

94 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:46:41am

re: #92 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Which is something you just have to believe in, innit?

Sure. All attempts to prove such an interaction usually and up as arguments from ignorance ("too complex to evolve, ergo...").

bbl

95 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:47:41am

re: #91 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

I dig it. If you'd like to see how I think it should be done, you can see my comment on this thread about the death of Ted Kennedy.

/how I roll, and what not.

96 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 12:56:50am

re: #94 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

Sure. All attempts to prove such an interaction usually and up as arguments from ignorance ("too complex to evolve, ergo...").

bbl

again, science is about the how, religion is about the why.

I see it partly as a failing in our basic system of education: people do not learn how science works, where it applies and where it doesn't.

97 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 1:02:38am

In a way, I suppose this explains Mitt Romney's popularity.

Robot Fish Moves to the Head of the School

Through a series of experiments, researchers from Polytechnic Institute of New York University (NYU-Poly) aimed to increase understanding of collective animal behavior, including learning how robots might someday steer fish away from environmental disasters. Nature is a growing source of inspiration for engineers, and the researchers were intrigued to find that their biomimetic robotic fish could not only infiltrate and be accepted by the swimmers, but actually assume a leadership role.

98 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 1:08:12am

re: #97 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

In a way, I suppose this explains Mitt Romney's popularity.

Robot Fish Moves to the Head of the School

Is Mitt Romney the prototype GOP robot fish?

99 Alexzander  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 1:14:28am

Evening/night/morning folks.

100 researchok  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 1:18:06am

Morning, all

101 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 1:27:15am

re: #100 researchok

Morning, all

Night, all.

102 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:18:58am

SB eat thread!

103 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:20:36am

re: #96 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

again, science is about the how, religion is about the why.

I see it partly as a failing in our basic system of education: people do not learn how science works, where it applies and where it doesn't.

Assuming by "why" you mean "life purpose" and some such stuff: religion is about both how and why.

104 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:21:06am

re: #99 PEANUT BUTTER

Evening/night/morning folks.

Good afternoon to you too.

105 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:22:07am

re: #102 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Hey, I've run into quite a few Germans, on vacation, who were pretty wild. But all of them said that this is their vacation mode, that back home in Germany they're totally different. Is this a cultural German thing, that when on vacation it's okay to shed inhibitions and just go ass-over-teakettle?

106 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:28:36am

re: #103 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

Assuming by "why" you mean "life purpose" and some such stuff: religion is about both how and why.

science ain't at all about why. and since religion does not limit itself to the scientific method, it can be a lot more creative on the how aspect

107 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:31:17am

re: #105 Obdicut

Hey, I've run into quite a few Germans, on vacation, who were pretty wild. But all of them said that this is their vacation mode, that back home in Germany they're totally different. Is this a cultural German thing, that when on vacation it's okay to shed inhibitions and just go ass-over-teakettle?

Yes, Germans get 25-30 days of vacation a year. that, (along with their 11-14 paid holidays) is their allotted window to blow off steam and do what they like.

Rest of the time they are solid, responsible citizens.

108 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:35:32am

re: #107 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

So if I take them up on their offers to visit them in Germany, I should come prepared for stolidness? Or, because I'll be on vacation, am I allowed to act like a wild man?

And, does this also apply to Austrians, or should I not generalize between Germans and Austrians?

109 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:35:59am

re: #106 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

science ain't at all about why. and since religion does not limit itself to the scientific method, it can be a lot more creative on the how aspect

I'm not in control of religion, neither are you. Saying that religion is only about why is factually incorrect. It certainly is about how in a lot of instances.

110 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:37:32am

re: #109 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

I'm not in control of religion, neither are you. Saying that religion is only about why is factually incorrect. It certainly is about how in a lot of instances.

Doesn't what he just wrote-- that religion can be a lot more creative on the 'how' aspect-- imply that he thinks religion can be about the how?

I may be wrong. It's 5:37 here, and I'm only halfway through my oatmeal.

111 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:37:41am

Heh, these two have sure shoveled some shit on the fan:

[Link: jme.bmj.com...]

112 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:39:11am

re: #110 Obdicut

Yes, but it's a modification of the original thesis in #96.

113 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:40:58am

re: #112 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

I submit that such modifications are only proper when accompanied by baked goods.

114 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:41:39am

re: #113 Obdicut

I submit that such modifications are only proper when accompanied by baked goods.

The Dark Side stole all the baked goods.

115 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:44:23am

re: #114 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

The Dark Side stole all the baked goods.

I think Varek is still sleeping off his insomnia.

116 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:50:03am

re: #61 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #55 Kragar

Second, if any such speculation held merit, we would be as the poor citizens of North Korea. Constantly observed and threateningly scrutinized for the adequacy of our public adulation of "Dear Leader".

Remember that in the mind of Conservativists, there is no difference between Obama and Kim Jong-Il. And by 2016, there will be no difference between the US and North Korea.

The fact that they will be posting their beliefs on the internet, rather than scrabbling in the dirt, does not change the fact that they cannot be convinced otherwise.

117 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:50:59am

re: #116 Renaissance_Man

And by 2016, there will be no difference between the US and North Korea.

Oh, one can only hope, but I doubt NK will progress so quickly. //

118 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:51:32am

re: #108 Obdicut

So if I take them up on their offers to visit them in Germany, I should come prepared for stolidness? Or, because I'll be on vacation, am I allowed to act like a wild man?

And, does this also apply to Austrians, or should I not generalize between Germans and Austrians?

Hope that they take some vacation time off. Yes, it will be comfortable, well-organized but a bit stodgy. Not sure about Austrians, never spent much time there, but it seems to be similar.

But that was my experience in a nutshell: we met some butt-nekkid German girls in the Grand Canyon, had a great time with them, came over to find them very different.

I stayed anyways. That had a lot more to do with the point in time: 1989 when all those interesting things started happening in Germany and all over Europe.

Things have loosened up a lot since I came over in the late 80's. Even though I am no fan of soccer, the 2006 World Cup was like a cultural shoulder massage for Germany; there was a considerable change of atmosphere as a result.

119 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:53:24am

re: #109 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

I'm not in control of religion, neither are you. Saying that religion is only about why is factually incorrect. It certainly is about how in a lot of instances.

yes, you are correct. but religion is not restricted to applying only the scientific method. it can be a lot more creative on the how because it does not need to be objectively verifiable.

120 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:53:39am

re: #118 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Thanks. The only time I've visited Germany was as a kid, for a short while, and it'd be fun to visit as an adult.

121 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:55:03am

re: #120 Obdicut

Thanks. The only time I've visited Germany was as a kid, for a short while, and it'd be fun to visit as an adult.

you will find it a very different place.

Only problem is the exchange rate. 1 euro = around $1.30. Although prices here are very reasonable compared to the rest of europe, they are still higher than in the US.

122 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:55:10am

re: #119 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

yes, you are correct. but religion is not restricted to applying only the scientific method. it can be a lot more creative on the how because it does not need to be objectively verifiable.

The less such creativity, the better IMHO.

123 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:57:44am

re: #122 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

The less such creativity, the better IMHO.

exactly. I want my science to be boring, consistent and independently verifiable under all conditions.

124 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:58:24am

Huh. I hadn't heard anything about this. A couple of ex-Senators have sworn in affidavits that they've seen evidence that convinces them the Saudi government played a direct role in the 9/11 attacks.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

125 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:59:31am

re: #123 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

No, I mean from religion. They tend to spread this creativity on non-followers. See the anti-choice debates, for example.

126 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 3:01:35am

re: #124 Obdicut

Yeah, the link was posted somewhere above or in another thread. I wouldn't take these affidavits as any sort of serious evidence. It's a "possibility of a possibility", so to say. If they have the hard goods, let them present them. Otherwise they can just say whatever.

127 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 3:03:43am

re: #126 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

And even though they say a direct link, what I'm seeing is allegations that Saudi-sponsored charities were involved, which is more of an indirect link.

128 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 3:14:03am

re: #125 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

No, I mean from religion. They tend to spread this creativity on non-followers. See the anti-choice debates, for example.

This is the problem. as long as it's harmless, like baptizing dead Jews, I find it amusing.

And once again. they are free voice their opposition to birth control all they want and to discourage their employees from using it. But I think they should have to provide it.

If you work for Jehovah's Witnesses, should your employer be allowed to refuse to cover blood transfusions?

129 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 3:15:52am

re: #127 Obdicut

And even though they say a direct link, what I'm seeing is allegations that Saudi-sponsored charities were involved, which is more of an indirect link.

I still remember the initial reports of 9/11 that stated that several of the suspects "had Saudi passports" as if they just could not bring themselves to admit that they were bloody Saudis.

130 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 3:34:37am

re: #97 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

In a way, I suppose this explains Mitt Romney's popularity.

Robot Fish Moves to the Head of the School

The T-250 will be released with the mission to hunt down and eliminate Nemo.

131 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 3:59:15am

Occupy protesters piss on a family's mail.

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

A family claims Chicago police broke into their house, urinated on their mail, spit in the coffee maker, stomped and slapped them and told them "You've been punk'd," while searching for someone who had not lived there for at least a year.

The family says, "they heard several cars outside screech to a halt and looked out and saw three unmarked cars in front and two in back of the building. Seconds later, seven to eight police officers in plainclothes and one in uniform crashed through two hall doors with a slam bar.

"The officers came in with guns drawn, were wearing plainclothes, and had no identifying information or badges displayed.

"The officers immediately yelled to the plaintiffs to get on the ground. The police were yelling obscenities and all police officers had drawn guns, including a shotgun and at least one automatic rifle.

"The officers were verbally and physically abusive, actually striking the plaintiffs on several occasions, while plaintiffs offered no resistance whatsoever.

"Plaintiffs were never asked for identification by any of the officers.

"Ray Robinson Sr. has diabetes and walks with a cane. Ray Robinson Sr., Ray Robinson Jr., and George Graham, who was recuperating from a stroke, were handcuffed and assaulted. The officers repeatedly yelled 'where are the drugs?,' while striking plaintiffs.

"The apparent leader of the police was a short, white, chubby officer wearing a white shirt, with blondish hair. This individual appeared to get more and more agitated as the officers, tearing through the apartment, had found no contraband or any gun. He yelled he was going to 'burn' someone.

"After about an hour of entering and searching through every conceivable hiding place, including drawers, closets, and appliances, a sergeant came into the first floor apartment, walked around, and while leaving, stated (apparently to the other officers): 'You fucked up another one.' [Parentheses in complaint.]

"The officers destroyed the apartment, doing, but not limited to, the following acts:

"a) threw the television off its stand;
"b) took multiple DVD's belonging to plaintiffs;
"c) stole or tore up plaintiffs' 'Link' cards;
"d) threw food from the pantry and refrigerator around the apartment;
"e) the same Latino officer that strip searched Ray Robinson Jr., actually urinated on the plaintiffs' mail;
"f) broke the washer and the air conditioner;
"g) tore up books and clothes;
"h) threatened to charge George Graham with bank robbery;
"i) told George Graham 'you've been punked';
"j) threw a music system on the floor of the apartment;
"k) tore the pipes to the hot water heater off the wall;
"l) tore the hot water heater off the wall;
"m) dumped the contents of every drawer in the unit on the ground;
"n) dumped the contents of the refrigerator on the ground;
"o) tore up photographs in a funeral memorial book, and tore up photographs in an album;
"p) spit into the plaintiffs' coffee maker;
"r) took George Graham's keys and threw them across the street.

"No guns, drugs or contraband were found in the apartment on the first floor and plaintiffs did not resist, interfere or impede the defendants in any way.

"The first floor plaintiffs were cuffed throughout the search.

"No names were displayed on any badges, nor was any identification of individual officers made to any plaintiff.

"The defendants never showed the plaintiffs a search or arrest warrant. They left a copy of the warrant on the floor on their way out of the premises around 3:00 p.m."

The family claims the cops then repeated the process on their landlord, co-plaintiff Burns' second-floor apartment, where they also found nothing, but trashed the place.

132 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:05:54am

re: #131 Obdicut

In Chicago? I'm stunned...

133 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:08:27am

re: #131 Obdicut

If that indeed will be proven to have happened, what will happen to the cops?

134 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:09:02am

re: #132 RogueOne

Even for Chicago cops, that's pretty assholic behavior.

In 2008, Chicago paid out $78 million to settle lawsuits against the PD.

That's about 8% of its total budget, going to pay for its fuckups.

135 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:09:37am

re: #133 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

If that indeed will be proven to have happened, what will happen to the cops?

Not much if anything. Tearing up the house during a search is SOP.

136 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:10:28am

re: #133 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

If that indeed will be proven to have happened, what will happen to the cops?

Probably nothing. They city will pay out a few million to settle the lawsuit. Chicago rarely disciplines cops, let alone prosecutes them, even for violence.

137 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:15:24am

re: #135 RogueOne

re: #136 Obdicut

Why? What are the laws for?

138 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:15:55am

re: #133 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

This is an off-duty Chicago cop beating up a bartender for refusing to serve him alcohol.

He wound up with two years probation.

During the trial, fellow police officers threatened reporters with arrest and ticketed their vehicles, and he was allowed to enter the courtroom through a side door to avoid the press.

139 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:17:57am

re: #137 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

Why? What are the laws for?

There isn't a law against officers serving a search warrant destroying property.

Chicago needs an entirely separate PD to investigate their PD. It's one of the most corrupt in the country.

I was hoping Rahm Emmanuel would do something, but he's just been dicking around with small-change stuff.

140 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:18:38am

re: #139 Obdicut

There isn't a law against officers serving a search warrant destroying property.

Why?

141 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:21:15am

re: #140 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

Why?

Because the war on drugs, basically. Real criminals are pretty good at hiding their crap inside water heaters, inside furniture, inside the walls. They're good at barricading doors and windows so you have to do a ton of damage to get inside.

The problem really isn't the damage caused, but the execution of search warrants based on far, far, far, far too little evidence-- and, in this case, on completely wrong, out of date evidence.

A lot of this kind of crap by police officers is the reason why Alex Jones and other conspiracy nuts gain credibility. I do blame the cops for a lot of that. It's not hard to make up conspiracies about coverups when there's a constant string of coverups.

142 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:22:38am

re: #140 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

Why?

I assume it is because they are doing in the course of their duty, which is to search. They are not to let considerations of tidiness get in the way of their prime directive.

But I assume this would only apply if a legal warrant has been issued. And that is where one should seek to redress grievances: to the persons who issued the warrant.

143 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:23:58am

Have a nice Friday all, off to Frankfurt...

144 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:26:33am

re: #141 Obdicut

...........
The problem really isn't the damage caused, but the execution of search warrants based on far, far, far, far too little evidence-- and, in this case, on completely wrong, out of date evidence.
.......

This. When judges are willing to pass search warrants out like candy based strictly on the word of 1 person there are going to be a lot of mistakes.

My brothers crazy (no hyperbole, she's crazy) ex called the police on him while he was at work. She told them he was a massive coke dealer. They pulled him over as he left work and tore up his car on the side of the road. They never even gave him an opportunity to consent to a search. They got him out of the car, put the cuffs on, and tore up the car.

145 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:27:35am

re: #141 Obdicut

OK, but much of the damage described above is not search related.

"a) threw the television off its stand;
"b) took multiple DVD's belonging to plaintiffs;
"c) stole or tore up plaintiffs' 'Link' cards;
...
"e) the same Latino officer that strip searched Ray Robinson Jr., actually urinated on the plaintiffs' mail;
...
"j) threw a music system on the floor of the apartment;
"o) tore up photographs in a funeral memorial book, and tore up photographs in an album;
"p) spit into the plaintiffs' coffee maker;
"r) took George Graham's keys and threw them across the street.

Why are there no laws against wanton non-search-related destruction of property?

146 kirghazi  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:29:42am

re: #21 Targetpractice

At this point, the only October Surprise I could see actually swinging things in any major fashion would be an attack on Iran or a Greek/Chinese economic collapse that precipitated a run on the stock market.

Way late, I know, but I wanted to run with this.

An attack on Iran wouldn't hurt Obama, not if it was in October. An attack before August might.

The attack itself wouldn't because we as a nation tend to stick with the leader in position during what we perceive as emergencies. Wartime president and all that stuff would be in play. Not even with the immediate jump in the price of oil would do him in.

What would hurt him in that regard is the same thing as your Greek collapse -- the long-term drain on our pockets after time to think about it. Two, three, or more months of very high oil prices and the secondary effect of global oil shortages relative to demand. (Worth recalling that if there's a war in Iran, the gulf through which the plurality of the world's oil exports flow becomes a war zone. Insurance rates go extreme, and several shippers don't ship.)

Caveat to the caveat, this assumes we do the attacking. If Israel attacks and doesn't kill the beast, forcing us to get into it as Iran counters, we as a nation bite the bullet. If Netanyahu wants to act so as to tarnish Obama's election, an attack in Iran is a bad idea.

changing slightly.

China's economic collapse isn't going to happen, not on a scale to rattle the world. Yes, they have a real estate bubble. Yes, the signs are it's big enough to pop. On the other hand, they seem to get that keynesian economics works (a major reason they recovered first) and they have an interesting resource sump into which to bleed the losses. That is, they've got a huge and (relatively) undeveloped nation and population. Doesn't mean it won't pop, it's just that these are the reasons the economic collapse predicted for the past twenty years hasn't happened, and I see no reason to think they'll suddenly reverse course today.

Greece, however, is an issue. As are the rest of the EU peripherals. Yes, the Greeks were wastrels. On the other hand the ECB was pretty much throwing money their way. There's a lot of blame to throw; lots of glass houses over there. Anyway, at this point its too late; Greece is in early default, it'll get worse over the next six months, and the question is not if the CDS domino trail goes but when it goes.

No, that's not quite right. The question is whether there are any bad dominoes in the trail.

No, that's not right either. The question is how many bad dominoes there are, and how big they are. When the dominoes start falling we will see some bank and investment firm and even a few nations turn out to be unable to pay their tabs. Those will cause their own domino trails to start falling. If we're all lucky and critical points learned enough from 2008 to build some buffers and redundancies the effect will only be a minor recession. At worst... 2008 was foreshadowing.

And that would hammer Obama. It's pretty much the only thing at this point that will do so.

Pardon me while I go bite my nails.

147 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:29:50am

re: #145 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

OK, but much of the damage described above is not search related.

Why are there no laws against wanton non-search-related destruction of property?

What are you, pro-criminal or something?
///

148 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:30:27am

re: #147 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

What are you, pro-criminal or something?
///

Because I hate Murika.//

149 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:31:33am

re: #148 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

Because I hate Murika.//

Ah, one of those Russian Mafia types. With all the tats.
// ;)

150 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:31:35am

re: #145 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

OK, but much of the damage described above is not search related.

Why are there no laws against wanton non-search-related destruction of property?

In this case, I have to plead "I am not a lawyer". There probably are such laws, but the cops will testify the objects were broken in the course of the search, not in excessive retaliatory stupidity, so it's he-said/she-said between the cops and ordinary citizens, often ordinary citizens with rap sheets.

It's the classic who watches the watchmen scenario. The cops aren't really going to investigate this crap. IA is still part of the Chicago PD, and they mostly give 'recommendations' rather than actually pursuing prosecutions, and they become part of the larger political game in the Chicago PD.

151 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:34:57am

re: #150 Obdicut

In this case, I have to plead "I am not a lawyer". There probably are such laws, but the cops will testify the objects were broken in the course of the search, not in excessive retaliatory stupidity, so it's he-said/she-said between the cops and ordinary citizens, often ordinary citizens with rap sheets.

It's the classic who watches the watchmen scenario. The cops aren't really going to investigate this crap. IA is still part of the Chicago PD, and they mostly give 'recommendations' rather than actually pursuing prosecutions, and they become part of the larger political game in the Chicago PD.

And if anyone can carry out major harassment of ordinary citizens, it's a local police department. That's a major reason why you should really be fearing who runs your local government more than the federal or even state one. The latter two are probably just interested in cash from you for the most part in an abstract sense. The local one can get personal real quick.

152 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:35:23am

re: #150 Obdicut

Another problem with the Chicago PD is its balkanization. There's lots of 'good' cops on the chicago PD, but because of its structure and the way that commands are organized and teams are arranged, birds of a feather tend to flock together. A good cop with a unit with some shady stuff will report the shady stuff, and a 'bad' captain will move him over to a 'good' unit. Problem solved. If you're a 'good' cop, would you rather work with some other good cops right away, or would you rather stick with the bunch of assholes you see doing shady shit while the investigation slowly works its way through the system, your career probably stalls, and the shady assholes probably try to set you up as the bad guy?

So, you get units of cops in the Chicago PD who are awesome, and other units who are just criminal gangs.

153 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:36:50am

re: #151 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

And if anyone can carry out major harassment of ordinary citizens, it's a local police department. That's a major reason why you should really be fearing who runs your local government more than the federal or even state one. The latter two are probably just interested in cash from you for the most part in an abstract sense. The local one can get personal real quick.

And why idiots who think that local government is more responsive to citizen complaints are fucking idiots. A local government with an entrenched power structure is the hardest political entity in the world to reform. That's why so often the feds or state have to get involved to fix it.

154 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:37:07am

re: #150 Obdicut

Chicago PD is dirty all the way through. This study is a couple years old but it hasn't gotten any better over the last few years:

Chicago Police Abuse Cases Exceed Average
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Chicago police officers are the subject of more brutality complaints per officer than the national average, and the Police Department is far less likely to pursue abuse cases seriously than the national norm, a legal team at the University of Chicago reported Wednesday.
....
According to the new report, rogue police officers abuse victims without fear of punishment, and the lack of accountability has tainted the entire department, resulting in a loss of public confidence. Patterns of abuse and disciplinary neglect were worst in low-income minority neighborhoods, said the authors, Craig B. Futterman, H. Melissa Mather and Melanie Miles.

The national average among large police departments for excessive-force complaints is 9.5 per 100 full-time officers. For a department of Chicago’s size (13,500, second only to New York), that would correspond to 1,283 complaints a year. From 1999 to 2004, however, citizens filed about 1,774 brutality complaints a year against Chicago officers. Less than 5 percent of the department was responsible for nearly half of abuse complaints, from 2001 to 2006.
....
Analyzing a broader array of complaints in another breakdown, the authors said that from 2002 to 2004 civilians filed 10,149 complaints accusing officers of excessive force, illegal searches and false arrests, and of abusing them sexually or because of race.

The rate at which the department found enough evidence to believe that the charge of abuse might have occurred in order to sustain a case was 1 percent (124 of the 10,149 complaints), the report said, compared with a national average of 8 percent from 2002, the most recent year for which national data is available.

Just 19 of the 10,149 complaints in Chicago led to suspensions of a week or more, said Mr. Futterman of the University of Chicago.

155 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:39:00am

re: #154 RogueOne

Well, as it says in that article:

Less than 5 percent of the department was responsible for nearly half of abuse complaints, from 2001 to 2006.

That's one of the real problems, that problem officers aren't dealt with, but instead stuck together in the same unit where they get worse and worse and worse.

There's the normal amount of 'good' cops covering for bad ones, but Chicago makes it a lot worse by the way the command structure and transfers work.

156 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:39:27am

re: #150 Obdicut

In this case, I have to plead "I am not a lawyer". There probably are such laws, but the cops will testify the objects were broken in the course of the search, not in excessive retaliatory stupidity, so it's he-said/she-said between the cops and ordinary citizens, often ordinary citizens with rap sheets.

But it's not a he-said/she-said if the nature of the destruction does not fit the search goal.

The only he-said/she-said is whether the things were destroyed in such a way indeed (and in case of urination DNA analysis should be able to verify or debunk the claim), and that's certainly a sticky point, but assuming both sides agree that the things were destroyed by the police in such a way, an impartial judge can certainly see beyond the he-said/she-said defense - that is, unless the police can offer good explanations for each and every particular act.

157 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:41:40am

re: #156 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

The only he-said/she-said is whether the things were destroyed in such a way indeed (and in case of urination DNA analysis should be able to verify or debunk the claim), and that's certainly a sticky point, but assuming both sides agree that the things were destroyed by the police in such a way, an impartial judge can certainly see beyond the he-said/she-said defense - that is, unless the police can offer good explanations for each and every particular act.

Yeah, the cops will probably claim that the victims did the damage themselves. The cop who pissed may have, in fact, screwed himself by doing so, but I don't think a civil case can compel DNA testing and that's all this is at the moment.

158 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:46:21am

re: #151 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I think you're right, small-town local cops can be the worst usually because they know everyone. Sometimes though that can be a help. My 16yr old nephew got caught with a pipe at school this week. The officer that responded to the call (because schools call the cops whenever a kid does anything wrong anymore) knew my brother and told him "we'll pretend this didn't happen" rather than giving the kid a drug record.

The only reason the feds aren't as bad is because they don't have the manpower. Given the opportunity, they're just as bad. As evidence:

The FBI investigative report on the radical anti-american group...The Monkees:
[Link: vault.fbi.gov...]

159 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:56:13am

I see all the american NGO workers got the hell out of Egypt. Good for them:
Sam LaHood, NGO workers exit Egypt
[Link: www.politico.com...]

160 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 4:59:53am

Speaking of small town cops....

Gauley Bridge police under investigation
Reason unclear, but speeding tickets remain highest in state
[Link: wvgazette.com...]

GAULEY BRIDGE, W.Va. -- The West Virginia State Police have seized boxes of records and several computers as part of an investigation into the Gauley Bridge Police Department, said Fayette County Prosecuting Attorney Carl Harris.
....
Gauley Bridge Mayor Byron Winebrenner said he heard rumors a year ago about the State Police looking into the city's records involving citations. The mayor said a man on the street told him that a State Police trooper was loading boxes of Gauley Bridge police files into a cruiser.

In the past four years, police in Gauley Bridge -- which has 614 residents, according to the 2010 Census -- have issued more than 6,000 speeding tickets. That's more than any other city or town in the state, according to the state Division of Motor Vehicles.

In 2002, Gauley Bridge reported issuing 28 speeding ticket convictions to the DMV for the entire year. That number rose to 268 the following year, after current Police Chief Shawn Whipkey joined the force in December 2002.

About 50 percent of the town's revenue is generated from speeding citations, according to records.

IT'S A (speed) TRAP!

161 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:10:26am

Mass. school quickly fixes racist typo on menu
[Link: wvgazette.com...]

METHUEN, Mass. -- School officials in a Massachusetts town are apologizing for sending home a lunch menu that listed KKK Chicken Tenders as an option.

About 6,500 students in four Methuen schools went home with new menus Tuesday, a day after the original one mistakenly listed chicken seemingly in the style of the Ku Klux Klan.

Superintendent Judith Scannell tells The Eagle-Tribune the menu was supposed to list KK Chicken Tenders, with the KK standing for a creatively spelled "Krispy, Krunchy,'' but an employee mistakenly hit the "K'' key one too many times.

Scannell apologized if anyone was offended. The food service director got one complaint.

A student pointed out to WCVB-TV that it there would've been no issue if officials just spelled the words correctly, with the letter C.

162 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:12:43am

re: #161 RogueOne

"for a creatively spelled"
*sigh* Why, oh why?

Well, no matter. Suppose they misspelled CC as CCC. That's still a whole Council of Conservative Citizens right there.

163 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:12:59am

re: #161 RogueOne

I have to enter a comment every time I commit files to my version control system. Since most of the time, the comment is unnecessary since the file itself is self-explanatory or I've documented the change elsewhere, I often just type a few random characters. You need at least 3 for it to accept the comment.

I was going over my commit history the other day, and a lot of them were "KKK".

164 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:14:09am

re: #162 sator arepo tenet opera rotas
On the positive side, at least the students know how to spell crunchy and chicken.

KKK Chicken Tenders: Flame-broiled, all white meat with ranch dressing segregated in its own little section on the tray.

165 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:16:03am

Crunchy, crusty, chirpy chicken chides capitalist conservative class: "Cowards!".

166 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:18:58am

If he were a teacher he'd be headed to prison:

Catoosa County sheriff’s deputy fired
[Link: timesfreepress.com...]

A Catoosa County, Ga., sheriff’s deputy was fired on Wednesday for violating departmental policy, authorities said.
...
The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is investigating Crossen to make sure he didn’t break the law by having a relationship with a juvenile female, said Special Agent in Charge Jerry Scott.

Summers said some news sources reported that Crossen has been arrested, but he hasn’t been arrested and it isn’t likely.

167 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:23:44am

mmmmmmm
KFC fried chicken
mmmmmm
Popeyes biscuits.
DAMN YOU ALL!

168 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:24:25am

BTW, is it 24h yet? /

169 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:26:28am

re: #163 Obdicut

I have to enter a comment every time I commit files to my version control system. Since most of the time, the comment is unnecessary since the file itself is self-explanatory or I've documented the change elsewhere, I often just type a few random characters. You need at least 3 for it to accept the comment.

I was going over my commit history the other day, and a lot of them were "KKK".

I've found decade-old multiple paragraph political rants buried in old source code as comments. Someone was having a bad hair day.

I also put one in once at the start of a sub-section that just said, "And then a miracle occurs..."
;)

170 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:28:50am

This entire story is depressing:

Pinellas detective dressed as Progress Energy worker in search of marijuana
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

A Pinellas sheriff's detective says that in an effort to seek out homegrown marijuana, he donned a Progress Energy uniform as a "ruse" and then entered a homeowner's property without a search warrant.
.....
While wearing the uniform, Detective Paul Giovannoni found no evidence of marijuana, and the resident of the home was not charged with any crime.

But the revelation follows others about tactics the Sheriff's Office used while investigating "grow houses," and conducting surveillance on the Simply Hydroponics shop in Largo. The Sheriff's Office used a camera outside the store, which has since been removed, to gather information on customers. In one of the investigations, a deputy was suspended for five days for mishandling evidence.

Attorney John Trevena, who conducted the interview of the detective, called a deposition, called it "indicative of problems with the narcotics unit at the Sheriff's Office that go beyond just this trespassing incident. … It is apparent now that this is a rogue unit, and there needs to be an outside agency to investigate."
....
Although Gualtieri criticized the tactic, he was less quick to criticize his detective. "He's a young detective who I think thought he was just being creative," Gualtieri said. "I put more responsibility with the supervision." He said he wanted to think about whether to discipline anyone.
...
Progress Energy spokeswoman Suzanne Grant called this "an isolated case of an employee acting alone without approval or authority," and contrary to policy. She said Progress Energy "doesn't permit or support anyone, including law enforcement, to pose as employees." She said customers can call the utility's customer service numbers to confirm an employee's identity.

She said the worker who supplied the uniform no longer works for Progress Energy, but declined to say more.

The utility worker lost their job but not only does the officer still have a job (even though he intentionally violated a citizens constitutional rights) he hasn't even been disciplined .

171 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:28:51am

Brave freedom-loving rebels!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

172 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:29:51am

Happy Friday to all Lizards!

Overcast and cool (but above freezing) here in Philly.

Go-live weekend for a project, so I get to come in tomorrow (yay!) and be on-call on Sunday. It is job security though. I hope to use the time to catch up on a bunch of lower priority items and do work on the project that goes live April 1.

No biscuits, but someone did bring donuts in this morning. Om Nom Nom.

173 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:30:24am

re: #167 Tommy

Popeyes kicks KFC's ass!

174 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:31:53am

re: #171 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

Wow. It's hard to believe it's getting uglier by the week.

175 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:33:52am

Belarussian KGB confirms Breivik's contacts with a Minsk woman Nadezhda Rutkovskaya (currently supposedly lives in North Carolina):

[Link: www.kgb.by...]

176 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:35:44am

re: #174 RogueOne

Wow. It's hard to believe it's getting uglier by the week.

You should not assume it's a new video.

177 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:36:04am

re: #175 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

Woah. They didn't change acronyms? The KGB wasn't seen as a tainted term?

178 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:37:23am

Puppycide:

St. Pete police shoot and kill dog while responding to disturbance
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

ST. PETERSBURG — Esther Flesner saw white fur streak past her seconds before she heard the gunshots and saw her daughter's dog bleeding on the sidewalk.

Phero, the dog many in the Crescent Lake neighborhood knew and loved, was dead.

The shooting occurred when St. Petersburg police responded to an apartment house Thursday afternoon at 421 10th Ave. N after multiple 911 callers reported people yelling, officials said. At least one caller said someone had a knife. Then police heard there was a stabbing.

When officers arrived, they drew their guns, then saw what was described as a pit bull terrier charging them from the back of the house, officials said. Officer Jeremy Hayes fired three times from about 10 feet away.
.....
Debra Vachon, 58, Flesner's daughter, has cared for the dog since her son adopted it four years ago. Vachon, who lives in one of the apartments, was at work at the time of the shooting but came home afterward.

Vachon sat weeping in the back of a sport utility vehicle hours after the shooting as she caressed a yellow sheet that shrouded her dog's lifeless body.

"He's not a pit bull, that's the thing," Vachon said. "He doesn't look like a regular dog because they cropped his ears too short."
....
Phero's death is the latest in a string of dog shootings involving St. Petersburg police. In 2011, officers were involved in at least seven fatal dog shootings, prompting police Chief Chuck Harmon to change a number of policies for dealing with dogs.

179 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:38:59am

re: #177 Obdicut

Woah. They didn't change acronyms? The KGB wasn't seen as a tainted term?

Funny, but apparently not, acc. to [Link: www.kgb.by...]

Note that Belarus did go through a brief democratic period. I guess they thought that changing the substance would be enough. Heh.

180 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:40:37am

re: #178 RogueOne

I think a new law is necessary: for each needlessly killed dog the officer gets one ball cut off.

181 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:41:33am

re: #178 RogueOne

Shrug. If you can't keep it under control, things like this happen. If it had been locked in a kennel when shot? Then I'll be ourraged. This? Not so much.

182 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:43:33am

Florida is on a roll:

Bill banning foreign law passes House over protests
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

Muslim, Jewish and activist groups united against HB 1209 as it advanced through the hearing process in recent weeks. About 50 opponents drove to Tallahassee on Tuesday only to be shut down when time-crunched lawmakers skipped witnesses and passed the bill in a 5-2 vote.

Critics have dubbed the bill as "anti-Sharia," referring to the Koran-based code of some Islamic countries. But Rep. Elaine Schwartz, D-Hollywood, expressed concern that the measure could void divorces mediated through Jewish tribunals.

and....

School prayer bill passes House, awaits Rick Scott's signature
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

Under the bill, local school districts would be able to vote to allow any student to deliver "inspirational messages" at public school events. Teachers and other school employees could not take part.

The lopsided 88-27 vote in the House came after an hour of impassioned debate.

Sen. Gary Siplin, an Orlando Democrat who shepherded the proposal, had said the concept of an "inspirational message" was open to interpretation.

183 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:43:58am

WND is reporting that Michael Savage thinks Breitbart was murdered, o my. I like to listen to Mike when he talks about growing up in NYC or his sailing trips in San Francisco, but he is a nut.

184 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:44:49am

re: #181 William Barnett-Lewis

Shrug. If you can't keep it under control, things like this happen. If it had been locked in a kennel when shot? Then I'll be ourraged. This? Not so much.

When we start allowing citizens and postal workers to start shooting dogs that are running free I'll agree. Until then cops need to learn to deal with their fear of dogs without shooting them on sight.

185 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:50:40am

Ooh, I even know a guy or two who will love this ad:

Image: b-adeci-31212a.jpg

186 Ghazicide  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:54:31am

A wolf in sheep's clothing. Clever.

I've never heard of the group that created it.

187 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:54:38am

re: #185 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

Which has already been denounced by Dershowitz and others quoted in it.

188 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:55:54am

re: #187 Obdicut

I don't see why though. They wrote those statements. The technical argument on whether or not they approved of usage in ads is neither here, nor there IMHO.

189 Ghazicide  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:56:56am

Michael Savage is worse than Limbaugh. And that's saying a lot.

The first time I heard him was when he had weekend segments on KSFO in SF. He said 'every woman who claims sexual harassment should be fined $50.' I thought he was being outlandish to make a point but didn't seriously believe it.

I soon realized he was being serious.

190 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 5:57:33am

re: #185 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

Ooh, I even know a guy or two who will love this ad:

Image: b-adeci-31212a.jpg

DEMON SHEEP!

191 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:01:03am

re: #188 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

Heh. It's an interesting point. Dershowitz has said plenty of crazy crap about Media Matters. I think that it's that this new group is just too obvious and crashing around about this, they don't have the heft and respect (earned or not) Dershowitz has, and so they actually work against their own side.

192 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:01:49am

Misplaced priorities:

In Missouri, murderers can get food stamps, but those with drug convictions can’t
[Link: www.kansascity.com...]

JEFFERSON CITY -- Get out of prison for murder, child molestation or just about any other felony in Missouri and you can still get food stamps.

But if you have a felony drug conviction, forget it. You’re banned for life.

To Johnny Waller, who had a drug conviction in his past, that just doesn’t seem fair. And that’s why the 34-year-old Kansas City resident traveled this week, as he has for years, to the state Capitol to speak out for legislation lifting the lifetime ban.
....
Missouri is one of only nine states where a felony drug conviction means a lifetime ban from ever qualifying for food stamps. Congress allows states to opt out of the ban, which was imposed in 1996 as part of welfare reform legislation. To date, 41 states and the District of Columbia have lifted or modified the ban, including Kansas in 2006.

Waller believes he’s the poster child for why Missouri should change its ways, because he has. He was 18 when he was convicted of possession of narcotics with the intent to sell, a felony that landed him in prison for more than two years.

But in the 13 years since completing his sentence, Waller said he’s stayed on the straight and narrow. He started a business and eventually went back to school. He’s currently attending Rockhurst University on an academic scholarship.

He even received a pardon last year from the governor of Nebraska for his crime, which he committed in that state.

Yet under current state law, he would still be permanently ineligible for food stamps.

193 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:02:09am

re: #189 Kronocide

I've only ever heard him in cabs, but he always sounds so... defeated, to me. So steeped in bitterness. There's no positivity to him at all. I found it really repellent.

194 Ghazicide  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:07:17am

re: #193 Obdicut

I've only ever heard him in cabs, but he always sounds so... defeated, to me. So steeped in bitterness. There's no positivity to him at all. I found it really repellent.

You nailed it. Add a heavy dose of ego and some crazy libertardian views with a old school persona and there you have it.

195 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:07:52am

I stopped listening to talk radio and watching cable news programs years ago. It's too annoying. Yesterday when I took off I put on a local channel to see if they were talking about Breitbart. Turns out he had given an interview with them the day before he died and they were replaying it. He said something like he was in one of those "rare times of extreme clarity" and he knew "what the next 6 months" were going to look like for him.....

196 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:08:54am

re: #189 Kronocide

There was a piece - at salon IIRC - that argued that Savage may just be an act. They cited his liberal youth, as well as his recent donations to a Democrat.

197 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:09:35am

re: #195 RogueOne

Ouch.

198 Ghazicide  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:12:49am

re: #196 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

There was a piece - at salon IIRC - that argued that Savage may just be an act. They cited his liberal youth, as well as his recent donations to a Democrat.

I initially thought he was an act too.... so I laughed off the 'fine women $50 who claim sexual harassment.' But after a while of irregular talk radio listening I realized that he's not an act. If I have time later I'll see if I can find that on Salon and read it.

199 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:15:02am

re: #197 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

Found it. I misheard slightly....
[Link: www.wibc.com...]
Feb. 28th: about 1:00 min in...
"Rare moments of hyperfocus where I'm starting to figure out what the next 6 months are going to be"

200 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:19:30am

OK, does anyone know if Penn and Teller finally got it right on AGW, or not?

201 darthstar  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:21:36am

re: #195 RogueOne

He said something like he was in one of those "rare times of extreme clarity" and he knew "what the next 6 months" were going to look like for him...

You know, the guy was a professional asshole, but I'm guessing when he went to the hospital his clarity probably had more to do with his family than politics.

202 darthstar  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:22:13am

re: #200 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

OK, does anyone know if Penn and Teller finally got it right on AGW, or not?

Aren't they a Vegas act? Who gives a fuck what a fat guy and a mime think?

203 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:23:32am

re: #202 darthstar

Aren't they a Vegas act? Who gives a fuck what a fat guy and a mime think?

"Isn't he a washed up magician? Who gives a fuck what Randi says?", etc.

204 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:25:28am

re: #202 darthstar

They had that Bullshit TV show, and well, this is America, so they influence some public opinion. Better that they get it right than wrong.

And I don't know if they have gotten it right, in the end.

205 darthstar  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:26:16am

re: #203 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

"Isn't he a washed up magician? Who gives a fuck what Randi says?", etc.

Who is Randi? Seriously, though...Penn & Teller are an act. If they say throwing confetti causes cancer, fine. I regularly burn toast in hopes of seeing Jesus' face on white bread so I can sell it on eBay.

206 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:27:21am

re: #205 darthstar

Seriously though, they're not just "an act".

207 darthstar  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:27:27am

re: #204 Obdicut

They had that Bullshit TV show

Donald Trump has a bullshit TV show and nobody takes him seriously...except Mitt Romney, but that fucker's desperate.

208 darthstar  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:30:22am

re: #206 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

Seriously though, they're not just "an act".

I saw the big fucker on TV once...getting interviewed...Las Vegas strip for a backdrop. I have no idea what he said or what was asked. I just thought, "Meatloaf has a fan club?"

209 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:32:43am

re: #208 darthstar

For better or worse, they're in the "spreading the skepticism/rationalism message thru entertainment" business, so it does matter that they get it right.

210 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:34:00am

re: #208 darthstar

I know a few young pagan girls that are really into Meatloaf. I dunno why.

211 darthstar  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:34:40am

re: #205 darthstar

Who is Randi? Seriously, though...Penn & Teller are an act. If they say throwing confetti causes cancer, fine. I regularly burn toast in hopes of seeing Jesus' face on white bread so I can sell it on eBay.

Aw crap...I'm wasting my time on the toast.

A Nebraska woman is auctioning a three-year-old McDonald's Chicken McNugget she believes resembles our nation's first president, George Washington. And it looks like she's on pace to make some cash in the sale. But, it's all for a good cause.

The Sioux City Journal reports that Rebekah Speights is selling the patriotic McNugget to help raise money for a church summer camp. As of posting time, the McNugget had received 17 different bids and was going for $356 on Ebay. The auction is scheduled to end on March 1st

Three years old! It's still fresh enough to eat.

212 kirghazi  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:36:04am

re: #166 RogueOne

If he were a teacher he'd be headed to prison:

Catoosa County sheriff’s deputy fired
[Link: timesfreepress.com...]

No. Or at least not yet. datapoint: this is the county in which I live. So I've got one or two additional pieces.

First and foremost is the question of whether there was anything "there". There's some ugliness in the juvenile's family. The family has had a couple of arrest incidents, with this particular deputy being involved in the arrests. It is not the juvenile who made the complaint, it's family of the juvenile.

Another point that will turn to be relevant when more is released is the fact that Deputy Crossen was one of the primary officers in the Tonya Craft case. Yes, I think some of the law enforcement stepped way over the line in that case. However, secondhand rumor says some names involved in this case were incidentally connected to that case as well.

Bottom line is that I want to see what the GBI turns up before I join talking about how he should be in prison.

Oh, an amusing irrelevancy. Deputy Crossen's calf made the local news a few months back. He's got a tattoo on his calf (I think it's the right). It's an anthropomorphed pig - a boar, actually - in a police uniform encircled by a donut. (Cake donut, pink frosting, no sprinkles.) (picture) He was in shorts, a local radio team spotted it and commented (that's the link by the way) and it got a little splash.

213 deadletterboy  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:37:53am

OT: Today's page of 'The Gutters' is pretty awesome. Usually they just joke about the comic book industry, but today's is pretty serious.

The Gutters On One Million Moms

214 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:39:19am

Morning. I was yapping away with my fingers again last night. Yap, yap, yap.

215 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:41:05am

re: #210 Obdicut

I know a few young pagan girls that are really into Meatloaf. I dunno why.

Meatloaf is easily the worst live show I've ever seen. Absolutely tedious.

216 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:42:34am

Obama to meet with Netanyahu. Wingnuts will be on full alert looking for the slightest imperfection.

217 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:43:45am

re: #215 RogueOne

Meatloaf is easily the worst live show I've ever seen. Absolutely tedious.

You're not supposed to listen to meatloaf, silly.
You eat it.

218 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:43:57am

A golden oldie from Alex Jones

the government creates gay people


219 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:44:09am

re: #216 Gus

As we know, if Obama doesn't obey Bibi's whims, he's really an anti-Israeli antisemitic Muslim.

220 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:44:36am

re: #216 Gus

Obama will frown, the secret service will have Netanyahu enter through some entrance or another, or they'll disagree on anything and the wingnuts will jump up so fast they'll knock their boners off.

221 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:46:39am

re: #219 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

As we know, if Obama doesn't obey Bibi's whims, he's really an anti-Israeli antisemitic Muslim.

They probably expect an attack on the next day. Maybe Obama will offer to let Bibi "push the button."

//

222 darthstar  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:47:59am

re: #213 deadletterboy

cool site...some funny shit there.

223 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:48:57am

re: #212 kirkspencer

Ha! Great tattoo!

You're right that the story doesn't actually say there was a sexual relationship, I may have jumped to the wrong conclusion.. Didn't GA have a problem with their sex with students law that they fixed a couple years ago? I'm under the impression that consent doesn't matter there anymore, any sexual activity between a student and a teacher is considered sexual assault.

224 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:49:13am

I wonder if any US senators or reps will meet with Bibi too? There might be a stampede. Hopefully Bibi won't be stupid enough to actually meet with any prominent Obama critics in a private setting.

225 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:50:36am

re: #224 Obdicut

Well, he was stupid enough to promise a video speech at the Awakening 2012 (regardless of whether he will cancel or not).

226 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:50:40am

re: #217 Varek Raith

You're not supposed to listen to meatloaf, silly.
You eat it.

I went because of a girl. That's how I ended up seeing "Riverdance" too. Gotta do what you gotta do and all.

227 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:50:49am

re: #224 Obdicut

Hell, given how likely the GOP is to say batshit insane things, probably best if he avoid them altogether.

228 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:51:09am

re: #216 Gus

Obama to meet with Netanyahu. Wingnuts will be on full alert looking for the slightest imperfection.

Obama to Iran and Israel: 'As President of the United States, I Don't Bluff'

In the most extensive interview he has given about the looming Iran crisis, Obama told me earlier this week that both Iran and Israel should take seriously the possibility of American action against Iran's nuclear facilities. "I think that the Israeli government recognizes that, as president of the United States, I don't bluff." He went on, "I also don't, as a matter of sound policy, go around advertising exactly what our intentions are. But I think both the Iranian and the Israeli governments recognize that when the United States says it is unacceptable for Iran to have a nuclear weapon, we mean what we say."

The article presumes that there's a bit of conflict between Obama and Netanyahu but I think the differences are probably pretty minor. The press plays up the differences to create drama.

229 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:51:29am

re: #224 Obdicut

I wonder if any US senators or reps will meet with Bibi too? There might be a stampede. Hopefully Bibi won't be stupid enough to actually meet with any prominent Obama critics in a private setting.

Like Gohmert, King, et al. Hmmm, he probably will meet with them and more.

230 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:54:46am

re: #228 Killgore Trout

Obama to Iran and Israel: 'As President of the United States, I Don't Bluff'

The article presumes that there's a bit of conflict between Obama and Netanyahu but I think the differences are probably pretty minor. The press plays up the differences to create drama.

More drama equals better ratings in the long run. Yeah, they pretty much do this with everything they get their hands on. The longer the story can run the better.

231 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:56:34am

"A senior official at the White House who requested to remain anonymous told us that Netanyahu..."

232 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:57:30am

re: #231 Gus

"A senior official at the White House who requested to remain anonymous told us that Netanyahu..."

...farts rainbows"

233 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:57:55am

Indiana is still trying to deal with the fallout over the state supreme court ruling last year. The Senate already passed a bill now it's the House's turn:

Right to resist police in Indiana clarified in legislation
[Link: www.indystar.com...]

The measure -- Senate Bill 1 -- is aimed at overturning a controversial Indiana Supreme Court decision from last May. That 3-2 decision said people have no right to resist if police officers illegally enter their homes.

The House sponsor of the bill, Rep. Jud McMillin, R-Brookville, said the bill tries to balance the rights of residents against unlawful search and seizure with protecting law enforcement officers who cannot let a closed door on a home stop them from pursuing a criminal or trying to protect someone from serious injury. It passed the House 74-24.
....
House Speaker Brian Bosma, R-Indianapolis, made a rare speech on a bill in the House, saying the bill simply provides "jury instructions" so that if a case involving police entry into a home makes it to court, people will understand what is and is not allowed. In fact, the Supreme Court, in its decision, basically invited the legislature to clarify Indiana's law.

234 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:58:24am

Adbusters calls for a "spiritual insurrection" starting May 1

#OCCUPYCHICAGO will be the focal point of this global spiritual insurrection… 50,000 of us will converge on the windy city and confront the G8 and NATO leaders with an ultimatum. We will set up impromptu encampments throughout the city and wage a full-spectrum memewar backed up by new tactics of anarchic swarming. Our militant in-your-face nonviolence will inspire thousands of towns, cities and campuses around the world to rise up in solidarity just like they did last October. . .

Heh

235 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:58:46am

re: #232 Varek Raith

...farts rainbows"

Friendship is magic!

236 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:02:01am

re: #234 Killgore Trout

Adbusters calls for a "spiritual insurrection" starting May 1

Heh

NATO? WTF. Oh right. They helped the rebels overthrow the Gaddafi regime. Or something. Screwballs.

237 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:03:49am

Paperwork finished, time to get to the real work. Enjoy the day peoples!

238 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:04:11am

Full-spectrum memewar!

Derp.

239 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:04:20am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. If you're anywhere in the Midwest, be sure to check your local weather forecasts closely - and keep tabs on the local radio/streaming reports because forecasters are predicting a banner day for severe storms likely to produce tornadoes. This map indicates where risk is highest for severe storms.

Terra Haute and that area are under severe t-storm warnings.

The early arrival of severe storms coincides with the fact that we're dealing with a warming than usual winter and "cold" air coming in from the NW is hitting warm and unstable air from the Gulf - mixing over the Tennessee and Ohio River Valleys.

240 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:06:45am

re: #236 Gus

NATO? WTF. Oh right. They helped the rebels overthrow the Gaddafi regime. Or something. Screwballs.

My guess is they see NATO as part of the colonial war machine. Over the next year or so they're going to advocate a "peace at all costs" policy towards Iran. Like Iraq, there's plenty of reasonable debate to be had about Iran but the "anti-war" fundamentalists don't have much to contribute to the conversation.

241 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:07:25am

re: #238 Gus

Full-spectrum memewar!

Derp.

I think that means lots of Guy Fawkes masks.

242 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:07:44am

re: #240 Killgore Trout

Agreed. And neither do those who beat the drums for the Iraq war in 2000s.

243 deadletterboy  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:11:11am

re: #222 darthstar

Yeah, it's actually a good place to get context on comic book news.

244 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:11:31am

re: #242 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

Agreed. And neither do those who beat the drums for the Iraq war in 2000s.

True. But we're talking anti-war puritans who think you can stop conflicts by squinting really hard and making chants. They opposed intervention in Libya, Bosnia, etc.

245 deadletterboy  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:12:06am

re: #216 Gus

My first thought was 'Why is he meeting with a rapper?' Then I realized I was still tired and that Netanyahu is very different from Matisyahu.

246 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:12:16am

re: #244 Gus

True. But we're talking anti-war puritans who think you can stop conflicts by squinting really hard and making chants. They opposed intervention in Libya, Bosnia, etc.

Ron Paul!

//

247 deadletterboy  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:13:20am

re: #245 deadletterboy

Not to disparage his visits with Common or any other rappers. Jesus, I'm tired.

248 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:13:51am

re: #244 Gus

And we're talking about pro-war fundamentalists who dream up false excuses to re-engineer geopolitics by bombing or invasion, no matter the facts on the ground or human cost.

249 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:13:55am

re: #247 deadletterboy

I'm sure if you ask nicely Jesus will let you go home early.

250 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:15:21am

re: #248 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

And this guy should still be remembered, and those like him.

Image: 480px-Robert_McNamara_official_portrait.jpg

251 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:15:50am

re: #217 Varek Raith

You're not supposed to listen to meatloaf, silly.
You eat it.

Does Tim Curry do the carving of it still?

252 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:15:59am

re: #248 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

And we're talking about pro-war fundamentalists who dream up false excuses to re-engineer geopolitics by bombing or invasion, no matter the facts on the ground or human cost.

Yes. But NATO leaders were largely opposed to the Iraq invasion save a few such as Tony Blair. I'm looking at this specific protest.

I wonder if Chris Hedges will show up at this protest.

253 deadletterboy  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:16:29am

As penance for confusing my 'yahus.

254 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:17:10am

re: #251 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Does Tim Curry do the carving of it still?

Add some Carrot Top and Spice Girls, and you're ready to go.

255 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:19:29am

re: #252 Gus

Yep, yep. I once gathered all the silly conservative cartoons that were churned out when France and Germany refused to support the war. "Chickens" was the most kind image. Good times.

256 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:21:55am

re: #242 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

Agreed. And neither do those who beat the drums for the Iraq war in 2000s.

I still don't think there's been a decent reflection on Iraq, I feel pretty confident that the Arab spring uprisings (with a lot of help from the USAF) would have taken out Saddam by now. The following ethnic violence probably would be pretty severe but leaving Saddam in power while Iran is getting close to a nuclear bomb would be a disaster waiting to happen. I wasn't an advocate of the war but the "anti-war" movement was, and still is, a huge turn off to me.

257 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:23:42am

Reading here. It takes 35 gallons of water to make a cup of coffee? Think I'll make some more coffee and read up some more.

258 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:30:56am
259 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:38:41am

The people of Syria could use NATO's help.

260 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:42:36am

re: #163 Obdicut

I have to enter a comment every time I commit files to my version control system. Since most of the time, the comment is unnecessary since the file itself is self-explanatory or I've documented the change elsewhere, I often just type a few random characters. You need at least 3 for it to accept the comment.

I was going over my commit history the other day, and a lot of them were "KKK".

When I have to termServ into a server to do something and it had gone down for some reason and rebooted, it asks me for a reboot code and a reason. So for the reboot code I put "ID10T" and for the reason I put "I don't know!". Wonder how may of our hardware people actually look at the reboot log at my antics.

Our code base also wants a reason every time we check in checked out code. When I change code just to test something and then change it back, I just check it in with the reason "Wouldn't you like to know". I could just undo the checkout but what fun would that be?

261 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:44:58am

Foreign NGO workers reach Cyprus after leaving Egypt

Seventeen foreign democracy activists, including Americans, at the centre of a row between Egypt and the US, have left Cairo after a travel ban was lifted.

A US military plane flew them from Cairo to Cyprus on Thursday. They were expected to fly home on Friday.

See. It all ends with a whimper. No trial and the nine Americans will be coming home.

262 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:45:25am

Iran goes to the polls, but if you dig deeper, you find that the same guy will hold the power after all's said and done. Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei really holds the power - and his smackdown of Ahmadinejad following Ahmadinejad's attempted sacking of a minister a while back shows who really holds power.

The Guardian Council gets to pick and choose who gets to run, and Khamenei gets to shape the Council. There are factions involved to be sure, but they all have to essentially go through Khamenei - who uses the factions to maintain and enhance his power.

In sum, this is little more than rearranging deck chairs - particularly when you have the opposition groups and leaders like Mousavi (himself selected to run against Ahmadinejad in the last presidential election by the Council) under house arrest. Reform groups are not going to go far so the election comes down to which hardline faction owing its power to Khamenei and the mullahs gets to dominate the parliament.

Some outlets are trying to play up the distinction between Ahmadinejad's faction and the Khamenei factions, but the power rests in Khamenei's hands - not Ahmadinejad's. Khamenei remains in power and Ahmadinejad is term-limited. He's gone no matter what when the position comes up for election next.

263 kirghazi  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:46:50am

re: #260 RayFerd

When I have to termServ into a server to do something and it had gone down for some reason and rebooted, it asks me for a reboot code and a reason. So for the reboot code I put "ID10T" and for the reason I put "I don't know!". Wonder how may of our hardware people actually look at the reboot log at my antics.

Our code base also wants a reason every time we check in checked out code. When I change code just to test something and then change it back, I just check it in with the reason "Wouldn't you like to know". I could just undo the checkout but what fun would that be?

On behalf of my former troubleshooting peers, I officially hate you. Not despise you, mind, that's reserved for the people who don't put anything or who just mash the keyboard.

That point noted, that's funny and would have drawn a laugh from me at during log-reading.

264 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:46:53am

re: #261 Gus

What about their Egyptian counterparts?

265 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:48:57am

re: #263 kirkspencer

I had to tell a software manager once not to tell his employees "Comment your code so we know what the hell you were doing once you get fired".

266 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:51:32am

re: #264 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

What about their Egyptian counterparts?

Don't know. I'm sure that will continue. The article indicates that the people released may be tried in absentia at some future date. This was interesting:

Mohamed ElBaradei, the Nobel Prize-winning former head of the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), called the political interference in the judicial process "a fatal strike to democracy".

Does this mean that ElBaradei wanted a trial to go ahead?

267 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:54:08am

Good times.

Egyptian government rapped for lifting travel ban on NGO workers

CAIRO: Several Egyptian lawmakers on Friday accused the government of bowing to United States pressure by allowing a group of foreign NGO workers on trial in Cairo to leave the country.

Independent MP Mustafa Bakri has demanded that Prime Minister Kamal El-Ganzouri and the justice and foreign ministers explain to Parliament why the travel ban on US NGO workers was lifted.

“What happened is a scandal,” Bakri said on the Good Morning Egypt TV show on Thursday.

Bakri has a rich history of making controversial statements. In February he accused Mohamed ElBaradei of inciting American and Zionist agents who want to “hijack the revolution.”

A total of 43 Egyptian and foreigners working for non-governmental organizations (NGOs) are facing charges of receiving illegal funding from abroad. They include a number of US nationals, who left Cairo on Thursday aboard a US military plane after a travel ban on them was lifted...

268 kirghazi  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:54:40am

re: #265 Obdicut

I had to tell a software manager once not to tell his employees "Comment your code so we know what the hell you were doing once you get fired".

Yeah, positive messaging instead. "Comment your code so we know what the hell you were doing once you leave us for the better job I was supposed to get."

///

269 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:57:23am

re: #266 Gus

Hmmm...

270 Simply Sarah  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:57:57am

re: #268 kirkspencer

Yeah, positive messaging instead. "Comment your code so we know what the hell you were doing once you leave us for the better job I was supposed to get."

///

I'll admit, I generally had commenting code, especially with the documentation standards my company put into place a while back that means making a change to an existing program can mean spending more time documenting everything already there that was never documented than I do actually making my code change. That being said, good documentation can really help in some places, although I suppose that's often when the code in question is a terrible mess to start with, so maybe fixing the latter is a better idea.

271 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 7:58:30am

NY Times:

Evening television talk shows brimmed with indignation. Even Mohamed ElBaradei, the Nobel Prize-winning former international diplomat and a reliable advocate for such nonprofit groups, called the political interference in the judicial process “a fatal strike to democracy.”

U.S. Defendants Leave Egypt Amid Growing Backlash

272 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:00:00am

re: #271 Gus

NY Times:

U.S. Defendants Leave Egypt Amid Growing Backlash

...

As part of a deal, the groups, which rely on government financing, each paid more than $330,000 in bail for each of their foreign-born employees, who were required to sign a statement pledging to return for the next day of trial. American officials have said privately that it is almost unthinkable that they will return, noting that the defendants in Egyptian criminal cases are humiliated by standing imprisoned in a metal cage that serves as a docket.

273 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:01:06am

re: #268 kirkspencer

Yeah, positive messaging instead. "Comment your code so we know what the hell you were doing once you leave us for the better job I was supposed to get."

///

"Comment your code so that you know what the hell you were doing when you have to look at it again for the upgrade in five years time."

274 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:02:08am
275 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:03:03am

I'll take that as endorsement from ElBaradei for a trial in which "defendants in Egyptian criminal cases are humiliated by standing imprisoned in a metal cage that serves as a docket."

Needless to say I was never a "fan" of his.

276 kirghazi  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:03:26am

re: #270 Simply Sarah

I'll admit, I generally had commenting code, especially with the documentation standards my company put into place a while back that means making a change to an existing program can mean spending more time documenting everything already there that was never documented than I do actually making my code change. That being said, good documentation can really help in some places, although I suppose that's often when the code in question is a terrible mess to start with, so maybe fixing the latter is a better idea.

It's not just fixing it that matters. Sooner or later there will be upgrades. There will be other software competing for resources, some of which are at least supposed to integrate.

The problem is, as you said, it can take longer to document than it takes to do the code itself especially given some standards.

I've often wondered if things might not work better with a voice recorder that tied sound to keystrokes, then having another specialist who did nothing but enter comments using those two items (and an occasional persuasive visit to recalcitrant programmers.)

277 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:06:35am

Just curious, but what do the folk doing IT and related work using for change control software and processes?

For Example:
In old VAX days we had the CMS and MMS applications tied together and used for version tracking and also rebuilding of executables.

Currently it's TeamTrack for non-SAP and using SAP Solution Manager (SolMan) for SAP work.

278 Simply Sarah  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:06:43am

re: #276 kirkspencer

It's not just fixing it that matters. Sooner or later there will be upgrades. There will be other software competing for resources, some of which are at least supposed to integrate.

The problem is, as you said, it can take longer to document than it takes to do the code itself especially given some standards.

I've often wondered if things might not work better with a voice recorder that tied sound to keystrokes, then having another specialist who did nothing but enter comments using those two items (and an occasional persuasive visit to recalcitrant programmers.)

For upgrades, I tend to find quality (Or lack thereof) of code and design are the most important factors, although comments are helpful if things are entirely non-obvious.

279 Simply Sarah  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:10:08am

re: #277 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Just curious, but what do the folk doing IT and related work using for change control software and processes?

For Example:
In old VAX days we had the CMS and MMS applications tied together and used for version tracking and also rebuilding of executables.

Currently it's TeamTrack for non-SAP and using SAP Solution Manager (SolMan) for SAP work.

I think the best answer I can give here is "We have something resembling what might by some people be considered to be a vague and loose form of a change control process." I mean, it works, kinda, in most cases, generally. *coughs*

280 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:10:34am

re: #278 Simply Sarah

For upgrades, I tend to find quality (Or lack thereof) of code and design are the most important factors, although comments are helpful if things are entirely non-obvious.

That's where the organization and design of the code makes all the difference. I dealt with a 10,000 line IBM mainframe COBOL program once that was pure spaghetti code. Dated from the bad old GOTO days.

I purposefully tried to keep program modules and even "paragraph" sections to a couple of pages to aid readability. Then again a poor database table design also forced me to write some combinational IF statements that took two pages just to define the "IF" criteria itself.
(Date logic in a table where year, month, and day were separate fields.)

281 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:10:40am

re: #265 Obdicut

I had to tell a software manager once not to tell his employees "Comment your code so we know what the hell you were doing once you get fired".

The reason you must comment your code is because otherwise Future_You is eventually going to be strongly motivated to spend the rest of your life building a time machine solely for the purpose of coming back to kick Present-Day_You in the nuts.

It's really easy to get into the mindset of thinking, "pffft, I know what I'm doing and this is trivial anyway. Anyone should be able to just read it and understand what's going on". Then, a year later you need to revisit it for whatever reason, and you are completely mystified as to what the flippin' fuck you were doing, why you did it that convoluted way as opposed to some vastly more intuitive way, etc. Then you spend half a day "simplifying" it, all the while patting yourself on the back for having improved your skill so much since then, only to remember the hard way why the simple way wasn't useful the first time around. It really does make you want to go back and slap the piss out of yourself.

Now, the thought of someone else having to suffer through the enigmatic undocumented spaghetti code you leave behind after being fired? That's hilarious.

282 Simply Sarah  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:12:43am

re: #281 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

The reason you must comment your code is because otherwise Future_You is eventually going to be strongly motivated to spend the rest of your life building a time machine solely for the purpose of coming back to kick Present-Day_You in the nuts.

It's really easy to get into the mindset of thinking, "pffft, I know what I'm doing and this is trivial anyway. Anyone should be able to just read it and understand what's going on". Then, a year later you need to revisit it for whatever reason, and you are completely mystified as to what the flippin' fuck you were doing, why you did it that convoluted way as opposed to some vastly more intuitive way, etc. Then you spend half a day "simplifying" it, all the while patting yourself on the back for having improved your skill so much since then, only to remember the hard way why the simple way wasn't useful the first time around. It really does make you want to go back and slap the piss out of yourself.

Now, the thought of someone else having to suffer through the enigmatic undocumented spaghetti code you leave behind after being fired? That's hilarious.

This is basically the reason I suffer through commenting code. Since I'm the only person currently really supporting my area of the software, there's a good chance that the person that will need to deal with that code in the future will be me. I like me.

283 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:15:27am

That's sort of the same mindset that has us despising helpdesks* while laughing hilariously at the "IT Support Person From Hell" files.

* - My dislike of helpdesks is a complex thing that will not be explained here and now.

284 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:17:01am

Boom!

285 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:19:58am

That comes with a MBF however:

Boehner calls Limbaugh remarks 'inappropriate'
By By Frank Thorp, Luke Russert and Michael O'Brien

House Speaker John Boehner distanced himself on Friday from Rush Limbaugh, calling the conservative radio host's words toward a women's rights advocate "inappropriate."

Amid a growing media firestorm over comments Wednesday by Limbaugh toward Sandra Fluke, a Georgetown Law student who testified before a Democratic panel on the use of contraception, Washington's top Republicans said through a spokesman that Limbaugh was wrong.

"The speaker obviously believes the use of those words was inappropriate, as is trying to raise money off the situation," Boehner spokesman Michael Steel said in a statement.

286 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:20:19am

re: #284 Gus

Actually..

Washington's top Republicans said through a spokesman that Limbaugh was wrong.

"The speaker obviously believes the use of those words was inappropriate, as is trying to raise money off the situation," Boehner spokesman Michael Steel said in a statement.

So he doesn't have the balls to say it himself, and he's taking a swipe at the women's groups who are using the incident to fundraise opposition to the GOP's attempts to get rid of contraception coverage.

287 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:20:50am

re: #284 Gus

Ooh noo, guys, we have a badass here. Boner say something against Master Limp Rushdick. Boner will be very sad soon. Will have to kiss Rushdick's sweaty buttocks.

288 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:21:00am

re: #284 Gus

289 jaunte  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:21:17am

Bryan Fischer still acting up, unclear on the whole Emancipation concept:
Fischer: Like Slavery, America 'Cannot Exist Half-Gay and Half-Straight'

We cannot exist half-gay and half-straight, as a nation. We can't do it any more than we could exist half-slave and half-free, as Abraham Lincoln said. We cannot do it. We cannot endure half-gay and half-straight. We're going to have to make a choice between the two because liberty and the homosexual agenda cannot exist.

290 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:21:21am

The tornado outbreak underway - apparent tornado touched down near Huntsville AL with damage reported.

It was the first reported tornado as a new storm system threatened regions of the Midwest and South that had been battered by storms earlier this week.

Authorities have reports of houses damaged in Madison County, said Paige Colburn, an Alabama emergency management official.

Forecasters said the areas most at risk for twisters on Friday would be southern Indiana, southern Ohio, most of Kentucky, central Tennessee, northeastern Mississippi and northwestern Alabama.

Storms were expected to proliferate during the afternoon, with the most likely window for tornadoes between 4 and 8 p.m. ET, according to CNN meteorologist Sean Morris.

There is the potential for widespread damaging wind gusts, large hail and violent tornadoes in some areas.

The storm system is expected to weaken overnight as it heads north and east - giving rain to the NYC metro area with chance for t-storms and gusty winds, but not likely to bring severe storms.

291 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:21:33am

Start the Limbaugh Apology Clock™ in 3, 2, 1...

292 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:23:12am

re: #286 Obdicut

Actually..

So he doesn't have the balls to say it himself, and he's taking a swipe at the women's groups who are using the incident to fundraise opposition to the GOP's attempts to get rid of contraception coverage.

True. Including the MBF of the Democrats fund raising on Limbaugh's comments. However, I'm pretty sure the wingnuts will throw a fit against Boehner.

293 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:24:24am

Won't be surprised in the least if Boner actually asked Master Rushdick's permission beforehand.

294 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:27:06am

- But my lord, I need to say something to the lamestream media!
- Oh, OK, stop whining. Let your flunky do the job and don't forget to balance it. Also prepare for some public rimming you'll have to do.

295 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:31:26am
296 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:33:52am

re: #295 Gus

Anti 1st-amdt gun!

297 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:34:17am

re: #295 Gus

Speech-Jamming Gun Stops People Mid-Sentence

Can't wait to see the responses from the Paulians.

Be afraid! Be very afraid! Government drones armed with speech-jamming guns are coming for your children!

298 jaunte  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:35:32am

re: #295 Gus

Just a little too late for Arpaio's press conference.

300 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:38:08am

Seems like pretty easy to override it - close your ears.

301 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:38:57am

re: #300 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

You could probably train yourself to override it, too.

302 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:39:26am

Michael Savage: Was Breitbart assassinated?
Media activist recently promised to publish revealing Obama videos

Derp! World Nut Daily.

303 Ghazicide  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:41:01am

re: #284 Gus

Boom!

Boehner says 'inappropriate?' Talk about understatement.

I hope he doesn't have to walk that back.

304 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:41:15am

Hey all!

I finally downloaded Google Chrome (ggt takes bow). Now, it imported my favorites from Safari, which I haven't used in a long time. I was using Firefox and it didn't even give me the option of importing from Firefox.

How do I tell it to get my "favorites" from Firefox?

Oh, I think curs-ed virus and sinus infection are finally abating.

How are you?

305 brennant  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:41:22am

re: #302 Gus

Michael Savage: Was Breitbart assassinated?
Media activist recently promised to publish revealing Obama videos

Derp! World Nut Daily.

Oh for fuck's sake

306 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:41:51am

re: #302 Gus

Michael Savage: Was Breitbart assassinated?
Media activist recently promised to publish revealing Obama videos

Derp! World Nut Daily.

Comments are a hoot. Por ejemplo:

this is not the first coincidental death and it reveals a pattern...

we already know li'barry has problems with one grandmother claiming he was born in kenya...

so that begs the question about the other grandmother...did she too die from 'natural causes' or did someone give the order to wack li'barry's grandmother in hawaii so close to the election?...

was she planning to come forward with evidence that would dispute his hawaiian birth claims or was it just needed to get the papers she had to make sure they would never become public?

was is it barry himself? rahm? soros? axelrod? michelle? who gave the order?

we must remember that marxists and communists will do ANYTHING to gain and keep totalitarian power..."the ends justify the means"

307 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:42:16am

re: #305 brennant

Oh for fuck's sake

Wait, 24h not over yet!

Oh wait, yes they are. Proceed. //

308 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:42:51am

Breitbart was a racist scumbag.

309 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:44:04am

re: #275 Gus

I'll take that as endorsement from ElBaradei for a trial in which "defendants in Egyptian criminal cases are humiliated by standing imprisoned in a metal cage that serves as a docket."

Needless to say I was never a "fan" of his.

I'm not a fan of ElBaradei either. I must say that the "cage" I've seen in news photos seems to imply "guilty before proven".

310 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:46:06am

re: #304 ggt

Hey all!

I finally downloaded Google Chrome (ggt takes bow). Now, it imported my favorites from Safari, which I haven't used in a long time. I was using Firefox and it didn't even give me the option of importing from Firefox.

How do I tell it to get my "favorites" from Firefox?

Oh, I think curs-ed virus and sinus infection are finally abating.

How are you?

I switched to chrome to. Works really well. In the upper right there's a wrench icon. Click it and go to bookmarks, then import bookmarks. There should be an option for Firefox.
I have a damn cold too. All week i've been sleeping 12 hours per night plus a couple hours of nap time. I'm beat and I have a shitload of physical work to be done. Very frustrating.

311 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:48:02am

Just when I was beginning to love my new Canon 60D, out comes Canon with the Canon 5D Mark III. *drool*

No way the Mrs. would let me buy that unless I go pro. And that's not happening - yet...

The Mark III has vastly improved low light capabilities - ISO range of 100 to 25600 is expandable, when shooting stills, all the way up to 102,400 (two stops higher than the D800) and down to 50. When switched over to video mode there’s a hard-stop at 25,600, same as its predecessor.

On the 60D, I've got a range of 100 to 12800, though the Mark III doesn't have the tilt-swivel back monitor.

312 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:52:09am

re: #233 RogueOne

Indiana is still trying to deal with the fallout over the state supreme court ruling last year. The Senate already passed a bill now it's the House's turn:

Right to resist police in Indiana clarified in legislation
[Link: www.indystar.com...]

On my fb.

This is the most mind boggling court decision I've read about. It seems to directly challenge the Constitution yet it got little national press.

314 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:53:13am

re: #310 Killgore Trout

I switched to chrome to. Works really well. In the upper right there's a wrench icon. Click it and go to bookmarks, then import bookmarks. There should be an option for Firefox.
I have a damn cold too. All week i've been sleeping 12 hours per night plus a couple hours of nap time. I'm beat and I have a shitload of physical work to be done. Very frustrating.

feel better Kilgore!

Thanks for the Chrome mini-lesson.

315 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:53:49am

re: #310 Killgore Trout

I switched to chrome to. Works really well. In the upper right there's a wrench icon. Click it and go to bookmarks, then import bookmarks. There should be an option for Firefox.
I have a damn cold too. All week i've been sleeping 12 hours per night plus a couple hours of nap time. I'm beat and I have a shitload of physical work to be done. Very frustrating.

nah, it only gave me the Safari option.

316 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:55:04am

re: #311 lawhawk

Just when I was beginning to love my new Canon 60D, out comes Canon with the Canon 5D Mark III. *drool*

No way the Mrs. would let me buy that unless I go pro. And that's not happening - yet...

The Mark III has vastly improved low light capabilities - ISO range of 100 to 25600 is expandable, when shooting stills, all the way up to 102,400 (two stops higher than the D800) and down to 50. When switched over to video mode there’s a hard-stop at 25,600, same as its predecessor.

On the 60D, I've got a range of 100 to 12800, though the Mark III doesn't have the tilt-swivel back monitor.

I'm still trying to figure how how to take a good picture of my dogs with my new Sony Cybershot.

Dogs keep sniffing the lens and I get lots of "noise" as a result.

317 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:55:18am

re: #299 Gus

Here's the paper:

SpeechJammer: A System Utilizing Artificial Speech Disturbance with Delayed Auditory Feedback

We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.

318 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:57:05am

Ah, for some reason Safari must be set as my default. Which doesn't make any sense, but I will go with that theory.

How do I tell my macbook that firefox is my default?

319 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:57:26am

re: #315 ggt

nah, it only gave me the Safari option.

under "Import bookmarks and settings"? Hmmm...I'm stumped.

320 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:57:56am

re: #315 ggt

Could your FF be installed improperly?

321 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:58:33am

re: #320 sator arepo tenet opera rotas

Could your FF be installed improperly?

Of course, it has been giving me all kinds of problems. Spinning wheel of death, loud fan noises . . . .

322 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:59:26am

re: #318 ggt

Ah, for some reason Safari must be set as my default. Which doesn't make any sense, but I will go with that theory.

How do I tell my macbook that firefox is my default?

"Open Safari

Go to preferences

'General' Tab

Select the default browser from there."

Something I just Googled.

323 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:59:40am

re: #321 ggt

Of course, it has been giving me all kinds of problems. Spinning wheel of death, loud fan noises . . .

Loud fan noises?
Have you cleaned out your PC's case?

324 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:59:56am

re: #322 Gus

"Open Safari

Go to preferences

'General' Tab

Select the default browser from there."

Something I just Googled.

You are sooo kewl!

325 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:00:40am

re: #323 Varek Raith

You can clean PC?! I'm just throwing mines out each month! :(

//

326 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:02:02am

re: #323 Varek Raith

Loud fan noises?
Have you cleaned out your PC's case?

Yeah, I took it to the Apple Genius Bar. They opened the back and blew it out. I bought a plastic thingy to cover the keyboard to keep the cig ashes out.

It only does it when I have photoshop and firefox open at the same time and the Activity Monitor shows I am out of space. So as long as I don't have too many applications open at once, all is good. If I run FF I can run only FF or my "activity" space is used up.

327 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:03:19am

re: #326 ggt

Yeah, I took it to the Apple Genius Bar. They opened the back and blew it out. I bought a plastic thingy to cover the keyboard to keep the cig ashes out.

It only does it when I have photoshop and firefox open at the same time and the Activity Monitor shows I am out of space. So as long as I don't have too many applications open at once, all is good. If I run FF I can run only FF or my "activity" space is used up.

Most fans ramp up their speed automatically as the heat increases. Using photoshop can certainly cause that.

328 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:04:02am

re: #322 Gus

"Open Safari

Go to preferences

'General' Tab

Select the default browser from there."

Something I just Googled.

There is no 'General" tab.

329 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:04:07am
330 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:04:43am

re: #327 Varek Raith

Most fans ramp up their speed automatically as the heat increases. Using photoshop can certainly cause that.

Yeah, it started when I installed Photoshop, so I figured that was it. The "Genius" seemed to think it shouldn't do that.

Oh well.

331 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:05:30am

re: #330 ggt

Yeah, it started when I installed Photoshop, so I figured that was it. The "Genius" seemed to think it shouldn't do that.

Oh well.

Well...
I'd take their word over mine.
You have a Mac?
I'm not too knowledgeable about them.

332 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:06:55am

re: #331 Varek Raith

Well...
I'd take their word over mine.
You have a Mac?
I'm not too knowledgeable about them.

I know, They guy wasn't too concerned. He hooked it up to whatever they hook it up to and told me it was running fine.

I figured he was a guy and probably never multi-tasked the way I multi-task. I just close applications and it seems to get better.

333 Lidane  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:07:01am

Morning, Lizards!

Looks like El Rushbo's disgusting, sexist attacks are getting noticed on the right. First Carly Fiorina and her demon sheep are mad:

And Erick, Son of Erick and the idiots at RedState show they just don't get it.

334 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:07:09am

re: #328 ggt

There is no 'General" tab.

Try this.

[Link: support.mozilla.org...]

335 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:07:35am

Volunteer Posse Guy verbifies a noun:

[...]

And Zullo insisted Arpaio has jurisdiction.

He said the electronic document put up online by the White House "was a representation made to the people of Maricopa County," he said. "You fraud one person in Maricopa County with that, you fraud every person in Maricopa County."

Zullo stressed, though, "we are not accusing Mr. Obama of creating this document."

"At this juncture, we have advised Sheriff Arpaio we believe there should be a full-blown criminal investigation because a fraud has been committed in Maricopa County and the state of Arizona," Zullo said. "The document is fake. The representations, therefore, are fake."

Arpaio said the investigation was not designed to divert attention from the Justice Department investigation into allegations of racial profiling by his deputies.

It was started before he was notified he was under investigation, Arpaio said.

336 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:08:27am

re: #335 wrenchwench

There's this handy word 'defraud' they could try out.

337 jamesfirecat  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:08:39am

re: #333 Lidane

Morning, Lizards!

Looks like El Rushbo's disgusting, sexist attacks are getting noticed on the right. First Carly Fiorina and her demon sheep are mad:

[Embedded content]And Erick, Son of Erick and the idiots at RedState show they just don't get it.

"Well of course Rush Limbaugh was being insulting. It is not something I would do, "

Says the man who called a supreme court judge a goat f***er if memory serves.

338 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:09:05am

Its lunch time and I'm singing showtunes from Annie.

339 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:09:09am

re: #336 Obdicut

There's this handy word 'defraud' they could try out.

He thought that meant 'unfraud'.

340 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:09:14am

Are there practical legal ways of getting rid of Arpaio based on the birther thing? Like sheer incompetence. I figure not, but I had to ask.

341 Ghazicide  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:09:17am

re: #333 Lidane

Erick Erickson, for lack of a better term, is a fucking moron.

And he's an editor of a blog.

Which demeans the title.

342 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:09:17am

I had dinner at Olive Garden last night.
I had the steak toscano.
It was awesome.

343 jaunte  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:09:34am

re: #333 Lidane

Erick need to read Adam Serwer's piece:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

344 Simply Sarah  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:09:46am

re: #333 Lidane

Morning, Lizards!

Looks like El Rushbo's disgusting, sexist attacks are getting noticed on the right. First Carly Fiorina and her demon sheep are mad:

[Embedded content]And Erick, Son of Erick and the idiots at RedState show they just don't get it.

Shockingly (Not really), it seems to mostly be guys that don't get it. What Rush said was an attack not just on Ms. Fluke but on women in general. He deserves any blowback he gets from this and I hope there's a lot of it.

345 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:09:55am

re: #336 Obdicut

There's this handy word 'defraud' they could try out.

Stop trying to fraud him out of a word usage!
Jerk.

346 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:10:39am

re: #345 Varek Raith

Stop trying to fraud him out of a word usage!
Jerk.

Dejerk that!

347 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:11:17am

Heh, bomb squad at Rush's house.

348 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:11:29am

re: #340 The Ineffable Name

Are there practical legal ways of getting rid of Arpaio based on the birther thing? Like sheer incompetence. I figure not, but I had to ask.

There is already a recall effort underway, unrelated to this latest stupidity. And then there's Father Time...

349 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:11:29am

re: #347 Tommy

Heh, bomb squad at Rush's house.

Oh geez.

350 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:11:39am

re: #338 Tommy

Its lunch time and I'm singing showtunes from Annie.

The sun will come out, tomorrow!

351 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:11:42am

re: #277 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Just curious, but what do the folk doing IT and related work using for change control software and processes?

For Example:
In old VAX days we had the CMS and MMS applications tied together and used for version tracking and also rebuilding of executables.

Currently it's TeamTrack for non-SAP and using SAP Solution Manager (SolMan) for SAP work.

We are using SourceGear Vault for source control/versioning. It is ok (and much better than SharePoint that one job I was on was trying to make work). My area of responsibility right now is more of a "fix as needed" type thing or totally new job request. It is a custom job scheduling platform running on distributed servers (of all different windoze versions and service pack levels, adding to the pain). The actual scheduling platform is pretty set with just a few tweaks that need done (eventually). Most updates are by way of separate jobs dll's needed updated and sent to the server to execute when scheduled (dll's are loaded dynamically so they are not bound to the scheduler execution engine until runtime).

352 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:11:43am

re: #334 Gus

Try this.

[Link: support.mozilla.org...]

Yeah, thanks,

It is set as default, but Chrome still only gives me the safari option.

I'm still not feeling well enough to deal with this today. I'll let it go for now.

Thanks for all your help.

353 jaunte  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:11:45am

re: #336 Obdicut

That might smirch his vocabulary; then it besmirched.

354 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:11:51am

re: #347 Tommy

That's some crazed confederate sent him a fan package.

355 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:12:04am

re: #347 Tommy

Heh, bomb squad at Rush's house.

Again? They were there yesterday. Guess they liked his house.

356 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:12:26am

re: #355 The Ineffable Name

Again? They were there yesterday. Guess they liked his house.

They were?
Yikes.

357 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:12:39am

re: #350 Gus

You in my house? Come on out, chicken chili, meek and mild like me.

358 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:12:49am

re: #344 Simply Sarah

Shockingly (Not really), it seems to mostly be guys that don't get it. What Rush said was an attack not just on Ms. Fluke but on women in general. He deserves any blowback he gets from this and I hope there's a lot of it.

It's an attach on human beings, not just women.

To objectify one subset of humans is an assault on all humans.

359 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:14:14am

ICYMI

Package at Rush Limbaugh's Home Not Harmful, Police Say

Instead, police say the item investigated Thursday turned out to be an electronic plaque sent by a listener of the radio talk show host's program as a "business opportunity" for him. It concerned the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln by John Wilkes Booth.

...

The sender apologized when investigators contacted him.

360 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:14:24am

re: #355 The Ineffable Name

He is talking about it today, musta been yesterday.

361 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:15:18am

Rush x-rays his mail, who woulda thought that?

362 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:16:13am

Just as we suspected:

Town police and the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office bomb squad opened the unsolicited 18-by-18-inch package around 7 p.m. to discover it contained an electronic plaque commemorating the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln by John Wilkes Booth, said Fred Hess, Palm Beach police spokesman.

[Link: www.palmbeachpost.com...]

363 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:17:13am

re: #362 Gus

Just as we suspected:

Town police and the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office bomb squad opened the unsolicited 18-by-18-inch package around 7 p.m. to discover it contained an electronic plaque commemorating the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln by John Wilkes Booth, said Fred Hess, Palm Beach police spokesman.

[Link: www.palmbeachpost.com...]

Nutter.

364 Simply Sarah  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:17:15am

re: #358 ggt

It's an attach on human beings, not just women.

To objectify one subset of humans is an assault on all humans.

Well, true, but it hits more directly and harder against women in this case. Everyone suffers for it in the end, though. And it comes from a utter lack of respect for women from Rush.

365 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:20:23am

Limbaugh last year.

Image: x999.jpg

366 allegro  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:24:37am

re: #344 Simply Sarah

Shockingly (Not really), it seems to mostly be guys that don't get it. What Rush said was an attack not just on Ms. Fluke but on women in general. He deserves any blowback he gets from this and I hope there's a lot of it.

And I keep seeing this "demand for taxpayers to pay for their sex" lie. This has nothing to do with taxes and never has. It is a requirement for health insurance companies with prescription plans to eliminate the co-pay for prescription birth control. Those plans are paid for in premiums by the women directly and in the form of employer contribution that is part of their salary package. Why is this lie continuing to go uncorrected?

367 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:26:59am

Lunch is here!

Have a great day all!

368 kirghazi  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:28:23am

re: #366 allegro

And I keep seeing this "demand for taxpayers to pay for their sex" lie. This has nothing to do with taxes and never has. It is a requirement for health insurance companies with prescription plans to eliminate the co-pay for prescription birth control. Those plans are paid for in premiums by the women directly and in the form of employer contribution that is part of their salary package. Why is this lie continuing to go uncorrected?

Because people are dealing with a shotgun blast and have only tweezers.

It's a group of lies. People are trying to deal with them in what they perceive as priority order. Unfortunately this means some, like the one you note, linger so long they become harder to challenge, part of "conventional wisdom". (An oxymoron, I admit.)

369 Simply Sarah  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:28:41am

re: #366 allegro

And I keep seeing this "demand for taxpayers to pay for their sex" lie. This has nothing to do with taxes and never has. It is a requirement for health insurance companies with prescription plans to eliminate the co-pay for prescription birth control. Those plans are paid for in premiums by the women directly and in the form of employer contribution that is part of their salary package. Why is this lie continuing to go uncorrected?

And not just that, but since birth control saves money in the long run, there's really no added cost to the insurance companies. Rather, it lowers the cost for them to provide coverage. Really, what is being said is "I want workers/taxpayers to pay more because I don't want people having sex!"

370 Neutral President  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:28:53am

re: #366 allegro

The same reason that "Obamacare = Government healthcare" (even though it's hardly anything of the sort) lie keeps getting tossed around. People believe it and think all this contraception talk is part of that "government health care" stuff.

371 Simply Sarah  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:31:54am

re: #370 ArchangelMichael

The same reason that "Obamacare = Government healthcare" (even though it's hardly anything of the sort) lie keeps getting tossed around. People believe it and think all this contraception talk is part of that "government health care" stuff.

Of course, if you say anything to these same people about cutting Medicare, well, watch your head.

372 Neutral President  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:38:03am

re: #371 Simply Sarah

Of course, if you say anything to these same people about cutting Medicare, well, watch your head.

To be fair... Part of that attitude can be attributed to them paying into the fund for that throughout their career separately from their income taxes.

373 Simply Sarah  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:39:41am

re: #372 ArchangelMichael

To be fair... Part of that attitude can be attributed to them paying into the fund for that throughout their career separately from their income taxes.

So? It's still a government run plan. I just don't buy that line of thinking.

374 allegro  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:39:55am

re: #372 ArchangelMichael

To be fair... Part of that attitude can be attributed to them paying into the fund for that through out their career separately from their income taxes.

And health insurance is paid by premiums that are separate from income taxes as well.

375 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:40:02am

Last night's dinner, thought I'd share the recipe:

BBQ pork and Kale potatoes:

3-4 lbs. Pork spareribs
1 bunch fresh Kale
10 potatoes
1 lb bacon
Milk

Sauce: (I double this)
1 cup Ketchup
1/3 cup Worcestershire sauce
1/2 cup water
1 tsp chili powder
1 tsp Salt

Sauce directions:
Combine ingredients in a sauce pan and bring to a boil stirring occasionally. Let simmer for a little while (you can use it once it hits boiling).

Meat:
Heat oven to 450 degrees, place ribs in baking dish and salt them. Roast at 450 for half an hour then reduce heat to 350, pour sauce over ribs and cover dish. Bake for 1 1/2 hours basting with the sauce every 15 minutes or so.

Potatoes:
Cook bacon and allow to cool then crumble into small pieces, set aside and save the bacon grease. Chop up potatoes and kale and boil together until done. Combine bacon and potatoes/kale in a large bowl for mashing, add in about 2 tbsp of bacon grease and milk, mash.

Pull ribs from oven and let cool, put sauce in a dish with a spoon to serve over meat and potatoes.

376 Neutral President  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:42:40am

re: #373 Simply Sarah

So? It's still a government run plan. I just don't buy that line of thinking.

Yes but to call it a taxpayer-funded entitlement (and saying entitlement as if it's a pejorative like GOP talking heads always do) is incorrect.

377 austin_blue  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:42:43am

re: #90 Slumbering Behemoth

He's dead, Jim Sergey.

Anything more to be said on this day is for eulogists, apologists, and despicable vultures looking to feed upon the rancid carrion of schadenfreude.

Charles? Rotating title?

378 Simply Sarah  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:45:19am

re: #376 ArchangelMichael

Yes but to call it a taxpayer-funded entitlement (and saying entitlement as if it's a pejorative like GOP talking heads always do) is incorrect.

That's true, but I'm really not interested in playing that game, since what is 'good' government versus 'bad' government is a constantly phase-shifting, time-traveling, dimension-warping target.

379 Neutral President  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:50:19am

re: #378 Simply Sarah

That's true, but I'm really not interested in playing that game, since what is 'good' government versus 'bad' government is a constantly phase-shifting, time-traveling, dimension-warping target.

I wasn't trying to excuse or justify these people's attitudes, just offer an explanation of what version of pretzel-logic they were using to come to the conclusion and ignore the cognitive dissonance.

380 Kragar  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:52:16am

Dog In Voter Fraud Stunt Belonged To Heather Wilson Senate Campaign Staffer

Is it just me or are the only people committing Voter Fraud Republicans trying to warn people about Voter Fraud?

381 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:53:31am

10 questions with Rick Santorum.

He.Just.Doesn't.Get.It.

Name the subject, and he just doesn't get it - economics, etc.

But he had a curious comment that capitalism encourages morality. That got my attention.

Q: You’re known as a critic of American culture and someone who’s concerned about the morality of the culture. When you look at corporate America and Wall Street, do you admire the culture?

A (Santorum). Capitalism actually encourages morality because capitalism can’t function well if people can’t trust each other and people aren’t honest, if a deal isn’t a deal. That’s not to say that people don’t do bad things and commit fraud. But the more moral the people are in their business dealings, the less paperwork you need, the more handshakes you can have, the more the wheels of capitalism work better because there’s trust in the marketplace. Business ethics is not a joke. And, in fact, I think most businesses that I’ve dealt with encourage exactly that type of behavior.

Sorry, but capitalism and morality are separate and distinct - if your motivation is profit, then you're going to do whatever it is to maximize profit. A company or businessperson engaging in transactions that encourages a moral position (take green policies) would be willing to sacrifice profit for their position - that's not encouraged under capitalism. It's the opposite.

Encouraging moral behavior requires a level of regulation - good business practices so that there's transparency on transactions, businesses don't pollute to avoid the costs of disposal of wastes, etc.

Santorum seems to ignore that many business practices he speaks of are responses of legislative and regulatory codes to clean up business practices (take employment discrimination, safe working environments, etc.)

382 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:55:59am

re: #380 Kragar

Dog In Voter Fraud Stunt Belonged To Heather Wilson Senate Campaign Staffer

Is it just me or are the only people committing Voter Fraud Republicans trying to warn people about Voter Fraud?

Just priming the pump for when the barrage of Voter ID laws hit this summer.

383 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:57:35am

re: #381 lawhawk

couple that with a recent study showing the rich are less ethical than the rest of us.

384 allegro  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:59:40am

re: #380 Kragar

Dog In Voter Fraud Stunt Belonged To Heather Wilson Senate Campaign Staffer

Is it just me or are the only people committing Voter Fraud Republicans trying to warn people about Voter Fraud?

They are trying get ready for the ass trouncing the party is fixing to get in November.

386 Simply Sarah  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:03:49am

re: #381 lawhawk

10 questions with Rick Santorum.

He.Just.Doesn't.Get.It.

Name the subject, and he just doesn't get it - economics, etc.

But he had a curious comment that capitalism encourages morality. That got my attention.

Sorry, but capitalism and morality are separate and distinct - if your motivation is profit, then you're going to do whatever it is to maximize profit. A company or businessperson engaging in transactions that encourages a moral position (take green policies) would be willing to sacrifice profit for their position - that's not encouraged under capitalism. It's the opposite.

Encouraging moral behavior requires a level of regulation - good business practices so that there's transparency on transactions, businesses don't pollute to avoid the costs of disposal of wastes, etc.

Santorum seems to ignore that many business practices he speaks of are responses of legislative and regulatory codes to clean up business practices (take employment discrimination, safe working environments, etc.)

This seems to just be an example of the Cold War originated meme that Capitalism = Democracy = Moral/Right/Good. If anything, it seems to have picked up steam since the USSR fell. And, of course, it uses a rather twisted definition of capitalism.

387 Neutral President  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:03:52am

re: #384 allegro

They are trying get ready for the ass trouncing the party is fixing to get in November.

The certainty of that ass-trouncing might be in question if the average apathethic 'merkin who doesn't pay attention or think deeply about politics or world issues can be made to believe:

Obama can't help the economy (or made it worse because he's MAO!).
Gas Prices are the democrats fault because they wont let us drill baby drill.
The above is more important than idiots ranting about abortion and contraception.

388 Simply Sarah  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:06:02am

re: #387 ArchangelMichael

The certainty of that ass-trouncing might be in question if the average apathethic 'merkin who doesn't pay attention or think deeply about politics or world issues can be made to believe:

Obama can't help the economy (or made it worse because he's MAO!).
Gas Prices are the democrats fault because they wont let us drill baby drill.
The above is more important than idiots ranting about abortion and contraception.

I have to agree here. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned with how out of touch with reality so many voters seem to be.

389 Gus  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:13:23am

Good to see Limbaugh getting hammered from almost all sides today. What a puke.

390 Stanghazi  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:14:14am

Stephen White ‏ @sgw94
RT @rkref RT @mpoindc:

President Obama just called Sandra Fluke in the green room before Fluke goes on @mitchellreports.

6m Talking Points Memo ‏ @TPM
Fluke on Obama: "He said I should tell my parents that they should be proud"

391 Kragar  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:14:20am

re: #389 Gus

Good to see Limbaugh getting hammered from almost all sides today. What a puke.

He started his show with another misogynistic rant, but it took him a whole 10 minutes before he linked it back to Fluke.

392 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:16:47am

THE NEWLYWEDS are here for the weekend.

393 Simply Sarah  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:16:55am

re: #391 Kragar

He started his show with another misogynistic rant, but it took him a whole 10 minutes before he linked it back to Fluke.

I really, really hope this ends up being a bridge too far for him. I'm mean, I know that realistically that's not going to happen with the amount of money he brings in, but a girl can dream, can't she?

394 Kragar  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:19:15am

re: #393 Simply Sarah

I really, really hope this ends up being a bridge too far for him. I'm mean, I know that realistically that's not going to happen with the amount of money he brings in, but a girl can dream, can't she?

I'm hoping one of his RentBoys comes forward.

395 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:24:57am

re: #389 Gus

Good to see Limbaugh getting hammered from almost all sides today. What a puke.

He finally said something that even those on the far right can hate.
Didn't think he could do that.
Amazing.

396 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:27:49am

It's too bad that Limbaugh hasn't gotten this in the past because he's said equally vile crap. Glad he is though nonetheless. The man's made a career out of being a jerk and judging other people while he clearly has problems himself.

397 Simply Sarah  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:29:50am

re: #396 HappyWarrior

It's too bad that Limbaugh hasn't gotten this in the past because he's said equally vile crap. Glad he is though nonetheless. The man's made a career out of being a jerk and judging other people while he clearly has problems himself.

Oh, he's long overdue for being knocked down several pegs, to say the least.

398 Neutral President  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:32:56am

re: #397 Simply Sarah

Oh, he's long overdue for being knocked down several pegs, to say the least.

I'm just waiting to see if he gets sued over this. He slanders a law student on national radio and expects no repercussions?

399 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:39:53am

re: #397 Simply Sarah

Oh, he's long overdue for being knocked down several pegs, to say the least.

Yep, I really too think he went a step too far this time though. It's getting attention from people who aren't usually politically. My cousin isn't political at all but she had a nice post today on facebook calling him out for the ass he is.

401 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:44:36am

re: #400 Kragar

Obama Calls Georgetown Law Student Who Testified At Contraception Hearing

A classy move on the President's part.

402 Simply Sarah  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:44:45am

re: #399 HappyWarrior

Yep, I really too think he went a step too far this time though. It's getting attention from people who aren't usually politically. My cousin isn't political at all but she had a nice post today on facebook calling him out for the ass he is.

The question is: Why now? As you and others have said, this is far from the first time Rush has made comments like there. Rather, he makes them all the time as best as I can tell. Was it because of how much of an uproar already exists around these issues right now? Was it because this wasn't a known political figure he targeted? Or was it, as I fear it might be, because he targeted a young, attractive white girl this time and that was able to get better play?

403 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:49:52am

re: #402 Simply Sarah

The question is: Why now? As you and others have said, this is far from the first time Rush has made comments like there. Rather, he makes them all the time as best as I can tell. Was it because of how much of an uproar already exists around these issues right now? Was it because this wasn't a known political figure he targeted? Or was it, as I fear it might be, because he targeted a young, attractive white girl this time and that was able to get better play?

I think it was the fact she's an ordinary person not some politician or abstract group. Like if he had said liberal women are sluts, there wouldn't be the outrage, not saying I would agree with that but when he calls Sandra Fluke, a woman who wanted to testify about her friend losing an ovary due to these policies, a woman that I imagine many women could see as themselves or daughters and men could see as their girlfriend, sister, or daughter, then I think that's when people get upset. And what's unfortunate is the President calling her is going to make Limbaugh, Malkin, and those other jerks justify it.

404 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:51:35am

re: #400 Kragar

What a great guy.

405 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 2, 2012 11:09:52am

re: #404 The Ineffable Name

What a great guy.

And in the sceptical world the POTUS doing something classy causes his opponents to double down on something stupid they've done.
Coincidence?


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