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The GOP Isn’t Going to Repudiate Rush Limbaugh

A Post editorial calls on the GOP to distance itself from Rush Limbaugh - good luck with that
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Today, the Washington Post weighs in on the absolutely vile remarks made by Rush Limbaugh this week, calling law student Sandra Fluke a “slut” and “prostitute” and demanding that she post videos of herself having sex online: The GOP Can No Longer Avoid Its Rush Limbaugh Problem.

For the good of U.S. political culture — or at least its own political self-interest — the GOP must distance itself from Mr. Limbaugh. In response to listener complaints and, apparently, the promptings of its own corporate conscience, Sleep Train Mattress Centers has quit advertising on Mr. Limbaugh’s show. Dare Republican leaders show less decency?

Dare they? You’d better believe they dare. The GOP is not going to distance itself from Rush Limbaugh. Not a chance.

Rush Limbaugh is the unfiltered id of the right wing base. He’s not really “pandering” to the crazies — he’s giving voice to their inner thoughts. And sometimes their outer thoughts too; you can find similar disgusting comments at absolutely any right wing website these days.

In fact, rather than denounce Limbaugh, all of the right wing blogs and media sites have been frantically defending him this week, and viciously furthering his attacks on Sandra Fluke and on women in general.

Irrational anger is a staple food of the Republican Party. Just look at what’s going on in this election: the Republican candidates are all spouting crazy, utterly false talking points that come straight from the deranged base and from Limbaugh. Obama’s “apology tour,” Obama’s “vote in favor of infanticide,” the list goes on and on.

Rush Limbaugh is the de facto head of the right wing, and the reaction from the GOP and from the right wing media this week totally confirms it.

The Republican Party is not going to risk getting him angry at them, because they know what he’s like when he’s angry. And they want that anger. They need that anger on their side.

Rush Limbaugh is the GOP.

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209 comments

1 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:48:27am

As long as Rush keeps losing advertisers, I'm happy.


My bet is that he doubles down and gets extra crazy next week.

2 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:52:55am
3 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:58:30am

The WaPo said this?

The world really is ending.

4 Charleston Chew  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:03:12am

The Post comes to this conclusion now?

When the GOP won control of Congress in the 1994 midterm elections, the freshman Republican class awarded him an honorary membership in their caucus. Here's some things he said before 1994:

"Take that bone out of your nose and call me back."

"Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women access to the mainstream of society."

"Militant feminists are pro-choice because it's their ultimate avenue of power over men. And believe me, to them it is a question of power. It is their attempt to impose their will on the rest of society, particularly on men."

"There are more American Indians alive today than there were when Columbus arrived or at any other time in history. Does this sound like a record of genocide?"

In conclusion: Windmill: 1 Washington Post: 0

5 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:03:56am
Irrational anger is a staple food of the Republican Party.

It's acidifying their system. This time, I think it's starting to eat at their base.

(If I mix chemistry metaphors, do I get an explosion?)

6 SpikeDad  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:04:24am

What you can't separate is that Rush and the Tea Party and racists and sexist Republicans reflect a significant portion of the US population. As sad as this is to say, many people derive their worth from the hatred of others whether that's women, or gays or minorities. They can only find value in their own lives by diminishing other lives.

The difference in these past years is that the election of Pres Obama has elevated the paranoia and combined with the 24/7 hate engine that is Fox News, the social stigma for voicing this hate has been so diminished that they feel safe and comfortable coming out.

Hopefully this will also energize the left and center and independent minded folks to join and fight this cancer. But I am confident that no one on the right will step in front of the bus that is now speeding uncontrolled in our society.

7 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:05:02am

re: #5 wrenchwench

It's acidifying their system. This time, I think it's starting to eat at their base.

(If I mix chemistry metaphors, do I get an explosion?)

Maybe just a mild thermite reaction.

8 Charleston Chew  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:09:51am

re: #4 Charleston Chew

The Post comes to this conclusion now?

Now that I think about it, it's not so much tilting at windmills as it is titling at a mountain. I was thinking of the futility of Don Quixote fantasy battles, but of course Limbaugh is not a fantasy, but the idea of the GOP repudiating him is.

9 prairiefire  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:11:59am

Validation of creepy selfishness is the Circle Jerk in Chief's role. I am sure he will continue apace.

10 Kragar  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:12:32am

Rush loves wallowing like a pig in shit too much to apologize for this.

11 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:12:41am
12 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:13:53am

re: #8 Charleston Chew

Regrets will come after the election. Then we might see the blowback when Obama wins big and has a far less hostile congress to talk to.

13 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:15:14am

re: #5 wrenchwench

It's acidifying their system. This time, I think it's starting to eat at their base.

(If I mix chemistry metaphors, do I get an explosion?)

re: #7 b_sharp

Maybe just a mild thermite reaction.

I'd prefer they melt down to an explosion.

14 blueraven  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:16:04am

I dont think Rush gives a damn about the republican party. His ratings are up with Obama in office. He feeds on it. If a republican wins the presidency, what will he do every day? He will have no one to rail against.

It is not in his self interest for the republicans to win, he needs Obama to feed the narrative, stir up emotions with the daily faux outrageous outrage.

The republicans have boxed themselves in to having a defacto leader who can destroy them on a whim.

15 sunnygal  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:18:49am

"Militant feminists are pro-choice because it's their ultimate avenue of power over men. And believe me, to them it is a question of power. It is their attempt to impose their will on the rest of society, particularly on men."

Project much?

16 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:21:37am

re: #14 blueraven

I dont think Rush gives a damn about the republican party. His ratings are up with Obama in office. He feeds on it. If a republican wins the presidency, what will he do every day? He will have no one to rail against.

He managed just fine when Bush was in office. He'll just go back to the usual bugaboos of evil feminists and liberals hating America and wanting to undermine the Glorious Republican Revolution. Or something.

Then, when some major catastrophe happens, he'll blame it on the Democrats and find some excuse why the Republicans are perfectly blameless.

17 allegro  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:22:38am

Combine this with the advertisers who have pulled their $ in the last 24 hours...

Pop Culture Radio Ratings – Limbaugh And Hannity Down Considerably
December 14, 2011

Radio News –
The just-released Arbitron report – the radio ratings company, indicates that Rush and Hannity are down almost 1/3 their audiences. With a lull in ratings since November, Rush Limbaugh had a 3.0 share of listeners for his radio time slot, which is a 33% slide from October and from last April. Sean Hannity’s national talkshow was reported to be down 28% from its peak numbers in the fall.

Premiere Radio syndicates both shows – and – they are downplaying the report. Inside, they’re panicking because, the number represents millions of listeners. And, lot’s of advertising money just went away. If the trend continues, it won’t bode well with the talkradio format – which today, is an AM radio province.

Could we maybe, just maybe, be finally on the way to seeing this malignancy extracted from the public airways?

18 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:22:52am

I disagree with The Post here:

Those who questioned President Obama’s initial decisions in this area — we among them — were not waging a “war on women,” as Democrats have alleged in strident fundraising appeals.

Even if you grant that the Catholic Church and its allies in this issue are operating on the basis of religious conviction, it is not inconsistent to see that religious conviction as another part of the war on women.

And the implication that fundraising appeals are an inappropriate reaction to this political battle is ludicrous. Money is the language of politics. Now more than ever.

19 Kragar  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:23:33am

Fluke may file lawsuit against Rush

The Georgetown law student branded a “slut” by Rush Limbaugh may file a lawsuit against the conservative shock jock as he revs up his criticism against the woman who found herself at the center of the contraception coverage debate.

Limbaugh continued to rant on Friday that Sandra Fluke is a “prostitute” who is “having so much sex” she can’t pay for contraceptives as Fluke said she may consider legal action.

"I've certainly been told I might have a case," the third-year student told the Daily Beast. "But it's not something I've made any decisions about at this point."

20 dragonath  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:26:41am

I just got an email forwarded to me titled "ARCHIE BUNKER THE PROPHET"

I'm scared to open it.

21 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:27:11am

Case in point:

[Link: twitter.com...]

22 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:28:04am

re: #15 sunnygal

"Militant feminists are pro-choice because it's their ultimate avenue of power over men. And believe me, to them it is a question of power. It is their attempt to impose their will on the rest of society, particularly on men."

Project much?

Feminism came about because men formed a society that left women powerless. The complaining we hear is born of fear women will become the equals to men in all areas, including political power. Loss of white male privilege is the ultimate fear.

This smell we smell is the smell of fear wafting from the vocal right.

23 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:28:08am

re: #21 Charles Johnson

Case in point:

[Link: twitter.com...]

Did you see Donald Douglas throwing a fit at Ta-Nehisi Coates on Twitter?

24 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:29:20am

re: #23 Gus

Did you see Donald Douglas throwing a fit at Ta-Nehisi Coates on Twitter?

No, I blocked that asshole. I'm much happier when I don't even see the garbage they emit.

25 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:30:04am

Meanwhile, racist piece of shit Robert Stacy McCain:

[Link: theothermccain.com...]

26 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:30:19am

re: #24 Charles Johnson

No, I blocked that asshole. I'm much happier when I don't even see the garbage they emit.

Yeah. Ta-Nehisi Coates was re-Tweeting him. It's about this article.

27 Kragar  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:30:23am

re: #21 Charles Johnson

Case in point:

[Link: twitter.com...]

Rent-a-cooch?

There is a man who has healthy relationships with women.
/

28 allegro  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:30:39am

re: #18 wrenchwench

I disagree with The Post here:

Even if you grant that the Catholic Church and its allies in this issue are operating on the basis of religious conviction, it is not inconsistent to see that religious conviction as another part of the war on women.

And the implication that fundraising appeals are an inappropriate reaction to this political battle is ludicrous. Money is the language of politics. Now more than ever.

And then there is this...

The live free or die in childbirth state

It's hard to miss the politics fueling state House Speaker William O'Brien's push to carve out a religious exemption from the contraception mandate.

"The Obama administration is trying to divide this country and to divide women against Catholics," O'Brien said. "The amendment before you, however, is a way of guaranteeing religious freedom by ensuring that we are not forcing employers to purchase health care coverage that violates their belief."

New Hampshire has required contraceptive coverage in all prescription drug plans since 2000. The law was passed by a Republican Legislature and signed by a Democratic governor. Nobody at the time, it seems, saw the policy as a blow against religious liberty.

Democratic state Rep. Terie Norelli, who co-sponsored the law, said that objection never came up.

"There was no discussion whatsoever — I even went back and looked at the history from the bill," she said. "There was not one comment about religious freedoms."

It wasn't just lawmakers who were silent; religious leaders were, too.

"I wasn't here back in 1999," said Diane Murphy Quinlan, chancellor of the Catholic Diocese of Manchester, "and we didn't have a full-time lobbyist in the Legislature. It's possible that it was missed."

Religious liberty? Riiight.

29 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:33:17am

re: #21 Charles Johnson

Further case in point:

CA GOP Communications Director Calls Krystal Ball a "Slut"

“Slut” is the New “Liberal”

This is now par for the course, and accepted rhetoric on the right. They don't see a problem, and if you think it's a problem you're just OUTRAGEOUSLY OUTRAGED ZOMG and don't have a sense of humor.

30 Kragar  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:33:38am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, racist piece of shit Robert Stacy McCain:

[Link: theothermccain.com...]

They better worry about Obama sending someone with the secret heart-attack gun if that video gets around.
/

31 Altermite  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:33:43am

The last prominent member of the GOP to attempt to repudiate Rush was McCain, and we all saw how well that went for him.

32 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:34:38am

Thus begins the road of demise for the current GOP.

33 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:35:17am

re: #26 Gus

Yeah. Ta-Nehisi Coates was re-Tweeting him. It's about this article.

I saw that. Douglas was acting like Ta-Nehisi had kicked his dog or desecrated a funeral or something. WTF.

34 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:36:36am
35 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:36:46am

re: #33 Lidane

I saw that. Douglas was acting like Ta-Nehisi had kicked his dog or desecrated a funeral or something. WTF.

I don't think Douglas is even capable of understanding what Tanehisi wrote. But yeah, they must think he's the Pope or something. Like a tribal leader or, let's see, an al Qaeda commander.

36 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:37:21am

re: #33 Lidane

His final sentence is absolutely true.

It is wholly appropriate to be sorry that Andrew Breitbart died. But in the relevant business, it is right to be sorry for how he lived.

37 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:37:26am

I'm really loving this new easy embedded tweet feature. Makes it incredibly simple to post tweets.

38 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:37:57am

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Wait, what? How the fuck do you present yourself and others as nymphs?

What the hell does that even mean?

39 Kragar  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:38:16am

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Yeah, talking about a friend losing an ovary and the price of prescription drugs is sooo dirty.

40 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:38:36am

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Nymphs? Did the 1800s come back when I wasn't watching? Am I typing this into a difference engine? Should I be calling for my manservant to ready the hackney for a quick jaunt to jeer at suffragettes?

41 allegro  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:39:17am

re: #38 Lidane

Wait, what? How the fuck do you present yourself and others as nymphs?

What the hell does that even mean?

Appearing in public with breasts.

42 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:39:45am

re: #38 Lidane

Wait, what? How the fuck do you present yourself and others as nymphs?

What the hell does that even mean?

He's got a website: "The National Sovereigntist".

Some RWNJ. Probably a virgin too like most RWNJs.

43 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:39:53am

re: #39 Kragar

Yeah, talking about a friend losing an ovary and the price of prescription drugs is sooo dirty.

She was talking about ladyparts. Ergo, she made herself and the rest of the women at Georgetown into nymphs. Or nymphomaniac whores. Or something.

These people truly live in an alternate reality.

44 Kragar  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:40:07am

re: #38 Lidane

Wait, what? How the fuck do you present yourself and others as nymphs?

What the hell does that even mean?

Mention Birth Control. Get labeled as a sex fiend.

45 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:41:18am

re: #42 Gus

Sovereigntist? Gotta be self-parody. Nobody can look at that word and think "Oh yeah, that makes me look like I know what I'm doing", can they?

46 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:42:34am

re: #45 Obdicut

Sovereigntist? Gotta be self-parody. Nobody can look at that word and think "Oh yeah, that makes me look like I know what I'm doing", can they?

Nah. He's one of those sovereign citizen types. Makes up his own laws and stuff.

47 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:43:13am

I think Romney's "not language I would have used" was the most pathetic. Classic non-answer.

48 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:43:16am
49 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:43:26am
50 Kragar  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:44:28am

re: #47 HappyWarrior

I think Romney's "not language I would have used" was the most pathetic. Classic non-answer.

Its not a non answer. It means he agrees with Rush, just not how he said it.

51 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:44:56am

re: #50 Kragar

Its not a non answer. It means he agrees with Rush, just not how he said it.

True that.

52 nines09  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:45:00am

Rush vocalizes what the GOP/TP politicians really think. He's the front. The right wing in this country really does hate anyone that is not them. They are never going to denounce Rush or people like him. They are the party of fear and loathing and Rush is a fear filled loathing bigoted jackal. Just like them.

53 jaunte  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:45:00am

Conservatives are lost in a fantasy. No matter how angry they get, the facts remain that people are going to continue to have sex, contraception provides health benefits outside of sex, and making contraception readily accessible saves money both in healthcare and reducing unwanted pregnancies. They have no sustainable arguments to counter those facts, so they rage.

54 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:45:24am

re: #50 Kragar

Its not a non answer. It means he agrees with Rush, just not how he said it.

Exactly.

55 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:47:46am

re: #53 jaunte

And contraception is just as important whether or not you're married. Having sex with multiple men doesn't (except in a very marginal biological way) increase your chances of getting pregnant.

Their argument is fractally wrong; the entire thing is wrong, each individual argument is wrong, the beginning perspective is wrong, the terminology is wrong, the logic is wrong. Usually not just wrong but 180 degrees away from the truth.

56 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:48:16am

re: #53 jaunte

Conservatives are lost in a fantasy.

True on many levels. To paraphrase Maureen Dowd, they're post-mortem, fighting battles that they lost a long time ago.

No matter how angry they get, the facts remain that people are going to continue to have sex, contraception provides health benefits outside of sex, and making contraception readily accessible saves money both in healthcare and reducing unwanted pregnancies. They have no sustainable arguments to counter those facts, so they rage.

They don't need facts. They just want the mythical, TV-created reality of the perfect 1950's America, where women and minorities knew their place and where gender roles were rigidly defined.

57 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:49:18am
58 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:52:43am

re: #57 Lidane

This is a good question and to answer it, no I don't think they do. It's knee-jerkism at its worst.

59 Kragar  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:54:08am

re: #57 Lidane

Abstinence through lack of opportunity and rejection doesn't equate to the moral highground.

60 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:55:24am
61 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:56:56am

re: #57 Lidane

It is something very confusing. I'm used to right-wing arguments completely denying reality, but this is one hell of an example.

1. They're lying about Fluke's testimony being that she was having a lot of sex.

2. They're lying about Fluke's testimony in regards to the cost of contraception.

3. They're wrong about how birth control works.

4. They're wrong about the economics of birth control.

5. They're lying about who pays for the birth control when it's mandated to be no-copay.


Often, right-wing nutjobs have some kernel of truth in their argument, around which they twist a bunch of lies. But in this case, I can't find a single element of truth to their stupid argument.

62 jaunte  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:57:07am
63 zora  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:57:52am

more of limbaugh's misogyny:

My cat comes to me when she wants to be fed. I have learned this. I accept it for what it is. Many people in my position would think my cat's coming to me because she loves me. Well, she likes me, and she is attached, but she comes to me when she wants to be fed. And after I feed her -- guess what -- she's off to wherever she wants to be in the house, until the next time she gets hungry. She's smart enough to know she can't feed herself. She's actually a very smart cat. She gets loved. She gets adoration. She gets petted. She gets fed. And she doesn't have to do anything for it, which is why I say this cat's taught me more about women than anything my whole life. But we put voices in their mouths.

[Link: andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com...]

his wife is one lucky cat...woman. ///

64 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:59:20am

re: #63 zora

more of limbaugh's misogyny:

[Link: andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com...]

his wife is one lucky cat...woman. ///

You know the more he talks the more he sounds like a total douchebag, I don't think that's a coincidence.

65 jaunte  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:01:29pm

Oh, look, "he didn't mean it." Well, no harm done, then.
Hannity Rushes To Defend Limbaugh's Misogynistic Attacks

On Friday's edition of his radio show, Hannity said that Limbaugh was simply making the point that "for crying out loud, why is the taxpayer bearing the cost of the sex life of students at Georgetown University Law School?" Hannity also said that Limbaugh "did not mean it" when he remarked that that women who have contraceptive coverage should post sex videos online.

66 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:01:34pm

re: #61 Obdicut

Smear tactics. Attack through lies to assault the messenger. They can't debate the issues due to ignorance or biological limitations to their cognitive development so instead they do what they're only capable of: lies, ad hominem to no end, fear mongering, etc.

67 Kragar  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:02:16pm

re: #65 jaunte

Oh, look, "he didn't mean it." Well, no harm done, then.
Hannity Rushes To Defend Limbaugh's Misogynistic Attacks

SATIRE!

68 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:05:11pm

re: #65 jaunte

Oh, look, "he didn't mean it." Well, no harm done, then.
Hannity Rushes To Defend Limbaugh's Misogynistic Attacks

Of course he didn't mean it. Just like he didn't mean to tell a black caller to get a bone out of her nose and the other nasty crap he's said. Gotta love how right wingers like Hannity and Limbaugh have been lecturing others about "personal responsibility" for years and they can't live up to when it's actual personal responsibility in owning up to what you say. Limbaugh could make this better for himself if he simply apologized. He'd still be a jerk in my eyes but it would show some maturity which he has shown repeatedly that he sorely lacks.

69 jaunte  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:05:58pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

I don't think he has it in him.

70 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:06:01pm
71 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:06:25pm

I think the GOP's target audience for this bullshit overlaps heavily with idiot men who buy books like "The Game", and who are just goddamn scared of women.

72 erik_t  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:06:43pm

re: #61 Obdicut

Often, right-wing nutjobs have some kernel of truth in their argument, around which they twist a bunch of lies. But in this case, I can't find a single element of truth to their stupid argument.

Oh, they've got a kernel of truth, but only in the mathematical sense.

73 jaunte  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:07:01pm

On his personal website viewed Thursday before its content was taken down, Ratcliff wrote on the subject of children and spirituality: “I appreciate children in all of their richness and complexity. They can be baffling, frustrating, delightful, and overwhelming. While I have studied child development in depth ... I am particularly interested in the spirituality of children.”

74 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:08:46pm
75 Kragar  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:08:56pm

re: #73 jaunte

Wonder if he gave Rush any tips about tourism in the DR.

76 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:09:33pm

re: #69 jaunte

I don't think he has it in him.

He doesn't, no. In fact I don't think I've ever heard Rush say he was wrong and out of bounds. Part of maturity is admitting when you're wrong and Rush repeatedly shows he's incapable of doing that.

77 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:09:33pm

re: #69 jaunte

I don't think he has it in him.

It might kill him to try. (I was just remembering that Breitbart's last tweet was an apology.)

78 calochortus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:09:39pm

re: #43 Lidane

I mentioned on a page on this topic, that nowhere that I saw did Ms.Fluke refer to her contraception or her sex life or lack of one. She spoke anecdotally and statistically about insurance and reproductive health for women. That some how makes her a slut.

79 erik_t  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:09:46pm

re: #74 Lidane

I feel dirty for even having clicked on that.

80 jaunte  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:11:18pm

re: #74 Lidane

Well, it turns out Fluke, positioned by the media as a 23-year old law student, is actually a 30-year old "reproductive rights advocate".

Where are they getting this 'media positioning' thing? Was her age misreported at first?

81 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:12:21pm

re: #78 calochortus

I mentioned on a page on this topic, that nowhere that I saw did Mx.Fluke refer to her contraception or her sex life or lack of one. She spoke anecdotally and statistically about insurance and reproductive health for women. That some how makes her a slut.

She's a "hardcore activist" who went before Congress, talked about ladyparts, and about the cost of contraception, which hurt one of her friends.

Somehow that gave Limbaugh and the rest of the RWNJ's license to call her a slut, a whore, demand that she post sex tapes of herself, and basically drag this woman through the mud. She spoke out about an important issue. We can't allow that.

82 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:12:39pm

Hey Kilgore! Hey Hoops! You guys are racists now!

(who knew?)

83 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:13:00pm

re: #74 Lidane

Director Blue. Another RWNJ. If I'm not mistaken he was once a Lizard.

Coordinated! Yes! We're coordinating our attacks on Limbaugh from our secret liberal bunkers! Mine is under DIA!

Derp.

84 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:13:16pm

re: #63 zora

more of limbaugh's misogyny:


[Link: andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com...]

his wife is one lucky cat...woman. ///

I see Rush doesn't understand how cats really work either.

85 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:13:33pm

re: #80 jaunte

Where are they getting this 'media positioning' thing?

From the same place they get everything else-- they pulled it out of their ass.

They assume that college students are between 18-22 and that law students are all in their early 20's. The fact that Sandra Fluke is 30 is somehow a media conspiracy or something.

86 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:13:42pm

re: #82 austin_blue

Hey Kilgore! Hey Hoops! You guys are racists now!

(who knew?)

They must be spinning their wheels again. Derp.

87 calochortus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:15:02pm

re: #80 jaunte

Where are they getting this 'media positioning' thing? Was her age misreported at first?

The only references to her age being 23 that I've seen are on conservative sites. She is a law student and testified on February 23rd. I wonder if someone could have conflated the date with the common age of law students?

88 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:15:19pm

re: #83 Gus

Director Blue. Another RWNJ. If I'm not mistaken he was once a Lizard.

Coordinated! Yes! We're coordinating our attacks on Limbaugh from our secret liberal bunkers! Mine is under DIA!

Derp.

Good memory. Blog pimp, it looks like.

89 jaunte  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:15:50pm

re: #85 Lidane

There's no reason why her age should affect her testimony. As a red herring, it's completely colorless.

90 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:16:06pm

re: #85 Lidane

From the same place they get everything else-- they pulled it out of their ass.

They assume that college students are between 18-22 and that law students are all in their early 20's. The fact that Sandra Fluke is 30 is somehow a media conspiracy or something.

Yeah it's not out of the ordinary at all. And 30's not old for a law student at all. Got a friend who is 27 and doing law school. Her age is totally irrelevant. She could be 22, 30, or 50, and Limbaugh's comments would still be equally repulsive.

91 erik_t  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:16:28pm

re: #86 Gus

They must be spinning their wheels again. Derp.

I'm sure that any day now those brave moderate souls still registered as Republicans will finally restore reason, sanity and decency to the GOP. I can sense it. It is near, oh so near.

Any day now.

92 jaunte  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:17:15pm

"Media positioning conspiracy! Big Media is allowing us to make wrong assumptions!"

93 calochortus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:17:30pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

Ah, but at 30, she's a radical activist, not an innocent coed./

94 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:17:33pm

re: #89 jaunte

There's no reason why her age should affect her testimony. As a red herring, it's completely colorless.

But to the RWNJ's it seems to matter for some reason, as if the fact that she's 30 and in law school suddenly invalidates everything she said.

95 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:18:20pm

Not that it matters but I remember it being pretty clear that she was in GT's law school from the start.

96 M. Dubious  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:18:25pm

I did not get the point of that RSM post ‘This Is the Charles Johnson Special’ linked upthread. Was he trying to be funny? How?

97 erik_t  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:19:14pm

re: #94 Lidane

But to the RWNJ's it seems to matter for some reason, as if the fact that she's 30 and in law school suddenly invalidates everything she said.

Obviously it means she did AmeriCorps or Teach for America or some other commie bullshit.

Any red-blooded American would proceed immediately to get their MBA before becoming a full-fledged Job Creator®.

98 jaunte  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:19:24pm

re: #96 M. Dubious

Only he can explain, in a rambling 300-400 word essay.

99 Kragar  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:21:07pm

Conservative media diagram

Misrepresent argument, attack messenger, then discuss the controversy

100 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:21:11pm

re: #93 calochortus

Ah, but at 30, she's a radical activist, not an innocent coed./

Honestly, the whole thing shows how outdated these people are when it comes to things like gender, age, and education. A 30 year old in law school or grad school or whatever isn't that unusual. The fact that they're making it an issue speaks volumes.

These people live in a fantasy world. They can't imagine anyone over 22 in college or anyone out of their 20's seeking degrees. They think that if you're over a certain age and in school, then you're just an activist instead of realizing that these days, older students are not unusual, given the fact that updating your skills and education is pretty much mandatory now.

101 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:22:19pm

re: #100 Lidane

Honestly, the whole thing shows how outdated these people are when it comes to things like gender, age, and education. A 30 year old in law school or grad school or whatever isn't that unusual. The fact that they're making it an issue speaks volumes.

These people live in a fantasy world. They can't imagine anyone over 22 in college or anyone out of their 20's seeking degrees. They think that if you're over a certain age and in school, then you're just an activist instead of realizing that these days, older students are not unusual, given the fact that updating your skills and education is pretty much mandatory now.

Yeah there were a ton of people returning to school when I was an undergrad. Many of them were actually vets on the GI Bill.

102 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:25:30pm

re: #88 wrenchwench

Good memory. Blog pimp, it looks like.

Yes, he was another one of those wingnuts who were perfectly happy to use the free services I provided to hype their dumb blogs. There were a bunch of them, and they all viciously attack me now.

103 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:25:53pm
104 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:27:07pm
105 jaunte  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:27:56pm

re: #103 Lidane

Snobs!

106 BongCrodny  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:28:23pm

re: #73 jaunte

On his personal website viewed Thursday before its content was taken down, Ratcliff wrote on the subject of children and spirituality: “I appreciate children in all of their richness and complexity. They can be baffling, frustrating, delightful, and overwhelming. While I have studied child development in depth ... I am particularly interested in the spirituality of children.”

Ph.D. in creepy.

107 allegro  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:29:03pm

re: #103 Lidane

Twisting the knife:

Obama Will Speak at Commencement at Barnard College

In 1955, Adlai E. Stevenson gave the commencement speech at Smith College, telling the women that their job should be to influence “man and boy” through the “humble role of housewife.”

“It just went down as one of those bad moments,” Ms. Spar said.

ROFL! That has to be one of the most exquisite understatements ever.

108 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:29:11pm

re: #70 Gus
Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice

The researchers controlled for factors such as education and socioeconomic status, making their case stronger, Nosek said. But there are other possible explanations that fit the data. For example, Nosek said, a study of left-wing liberals with stereotypically naïve views like "every kid is a genius in his or her own way," might find that people who hold these attitudes are also less bright. In other words, it might not be a particular ideology that is linked to stupidity, but extremist views in general.

I do find these sorts of studies to be pretty creepy. Maybe it's just they way people interpret them that creeps me out. Using science to to prove that one group inherently superior to others often leads to some ugly places.

109 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:29:47pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

The case of permanent sour grapes. Or, if you will, giant sour green footballs.

110 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:30:34pm

re: #104 Lidane

It's a crazy world when a former Bush adviser is the voice of reason on the right but Dave is right on here.

111 M. Dubious  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:31:01pm

re: #103 Lidane

Twisting the knife:

Obama Will Speak at Commencement at Barnard College

The college’s last three commencement speakers were Sheryl Sandberg of Facebook, the actress Meryl Streep and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Yeah, that college is moving up in the world. Three years ago their commencement speaker was some random lady from Facebook...

112 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:31:48pm

re: #103 Lidane

Twisting the knife:

Obama Will Speak at Commencement at Barnard College

Ooh, too bad my niece doesn't graduate for a couple of years. She'd be thrilled. (And she took a semester off and stayed in Germany, so she won't likely attend the speech.)

113 S.D.  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:32:03pm

re: #1 Iwouldprefernotto

As long as Rush keeps losing advertisers, I'm happy.

My bet is that he doubles down and gets extra crazy next week.

Sadly, That's an easy bet...

114 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:33:22pm

Carla, carla, carla.... Or Carl.

115 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:34:32pm

Derp!

116 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:35:05pm

re: #114 wrenchwench

Carla, carla, carla... Or Carl.

Downdinging this article? He/she must be a Limbaugh fan. I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked! 9_9

117 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:36:05pm

Uh oh, looks like Andrew Breitbart's Twitter account has been hacked. Don't click the 'worldnews' link:

Fastest and most efficient way to remove toxins & lose weightworldnews20.com

— AndrewBreitbart (@AndrewBreitbart) March 3, 2012

118 carlaschluge  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:36:06pm

Rush has nothing to apologize about. If you don't like what what says, you don't have to listento his show. Fluke, on the other hand, should apologize for her utterly stupid, over-the-top, outlandish remarks she made during her testimony. Of course, Pelosi is such a left-wing nut that it should have been expected that she'd call a fellow nut to testify.

119 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:37:17pm

re: #108 Killgore Trout

Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice

I do find these sorts of studies to be pretty creepy. Maybe it's just they way people interpret them that creeps me out. Using science to to prove that one group inherently superior to others often leads to some ugly places.

I find prejudice, racism, hate, etc., to be the creepiest. There's a pathology and ignoring it because it might step on some peoples sensitivities won't get us anywhere. It doesn't lead to ugly places. It begins in ugly places.

120 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:37:20pm

re: #118 carlaschluge

Wow.

Fluke, on the other hand, should apologize for her utterly stupid, over-the-top, outlandish remarks she made during her testimony.

Care to be specific?

121 jaunte  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:37:20pm

re: #118 carlaschluge

You're right, he's not responsible. We shouldn't criticize the mentally incontinent.

122 calochortus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:37:58pm

re: #118 carlaschluge

Which over the top remark, precisely?

123 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:38:23pm

re: #118 carlaschluge

Boring troll is boring. Try harder.

124 allegro  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:38:29pm

re: #118 carlaschluge

Rush has nothing to apologize about. If you don't like what what says, you don't have to listento his show. Fluke, on the other hand, should apologize for her utterly stupid, over-the-top, outlandish remarks she made during her testimony. Of course, Pelosi is such a left-wing nut that it should have been expected that she'd call a fellow nut to testify.

What remarks did Ms Fluke make that were over-the-top and outlandish? Please quote them and tell us how they were inappropriate.

125 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:38:54pm

re: #118 carlaschluge

What remark, specifically-- as in, I'd like a quote from Fluke-- should she apologize for?

126 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:39:16pm

re: #124 allegro

What remarks did Ms Fluke make that were over-the-top and outlandish? Please quote them and tell us how they were inappropriate.

You're just a big meanie, expecting a wingnut to back up a statement.

127 calochortus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:39:44pm

re: #115 Lidane

Apparently some commenters at Fox Nation don't understand anything about contraception:

The contraception debate needs to be investigaged by congress. This time, Nancy Pelosi, and her band of liars need to be called before congress. These phony contraception pills are causing more abortions than preventing pregnancies. Someone needs to investigate the manufacturing company of these pills. I'm beginning to think it's just another racket for the leftwing radicals to take our tax dollars.

128 allegro  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:40:13pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

You're just a big meanie, expecting a wingnut to back up a statement.

I know. It's the old perfesser in me. I expect the children to support their work.

129 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:40:29pm

re: #118 carlaschluge

O.o

And here we get to experience a reality-challenged WN in action!!

130 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:40:32pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

You're just a big meanie, expecting a wingnut to back up a statement.

From the Tone I'd say Alaska Kim is back

131 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:40:35pm

re: #125 Obdicut

The ones where a law student testified about her friend losing an ovary to disease, apparently.

132 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:41:12pm

So cart-of-sludge troll must agree with Limbaugh that women who use contraception should post sex videos of themselves online. I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked!

133 jaunte  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:41:25pm

re: #127 calochortus

Maybe the pharma companies should change the name to 'contraception ammo.'

134 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:41:52pm

re: #119 Gus

I find prejudice, racism, hate, etc., to be the creepiest. There's a pathology and ignoring it because it might step on some peoples sensitivities won't get us anywhere. It doesn't lead to ugly places. It begins in ugly places.

Can you see the irony that you're advocating the idea that those who disagree with you are genetically inferior?

135 calochortus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:42:04pm

re: #133 jaunte

Maybe the pharma companies should change the name to 'contraception ammo.'

Constitutionally protected!

136 Kragar  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:42:38pm

re: #118 carlaschluge

You're an idiot.

137 M. Dubious  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:42:55pm

re: #118 carlaschluge

Rush has nothing to apologize about. If you don't like what what says, you don't have to listento his show. Fluke, on the other hand, should apologize for her utterly stupid, over-the-top, outlandish remarks she made during her testimony. Of course, Pelosi is such a left-wing nut that it should have been expected that she'd call a fellow nut to testify.

Here's the testimony: [Link: www.whatthefolly.com...]

Show me her "...utterly stupid, over-the-top, outlandish remarks..."

138 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:43:06pm

re: #118 carlaschluge

Rush has nothing to apologize about. If you don't like what what says, you don't have to listento his show.

Where have I heard it before?!

139 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:43:35pm

re: #118 carlaschluge

Carl or Carla or whatever...is your post a drive by? Care to elaborate?

140 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:43:37pm

re: #136 Kragar

Nah. Just a very boring troll. They're not even trying.

141 calochortus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:43:59pm

re: #137 M. Dubious

I woulldn't be holding my breath if I were you.

142 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:44:11pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

Can you see the irony that you're advocating the idea that those who disagree with you are genetically inferior?

Genetically? Where does it say that?

143 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:44:32pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

Can you see the irony that you're advocating the idea that those who disagree with you are genetically inferior?

Who said anything about genetics?

144 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:45:23pm

re: #143 Gus

Who said anything about genetics?

Gus, you don't see, it's you're who is the Nazi bigot. *sigh*

145 Kragar  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:45:29pm

re: #140 Lidane

Nah. Just a very boring troll. They're not even trying.

It can be both.

146 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:45:54pm

re: #144 The Ineffable Name

Gus, you don't see, it's you're who is the Nazi bigot. *sigh*

Quit reading my mind!

147 Kragar  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:45:56pm

re: #143 Gus

Who said anything about genetics?

FLUKE STARTED IT!
///

148 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:46:18pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

Can you see the irony that you're advocating the idea that those who disagree with you are genetically inferior?

IQ-- which is a relatively bullshit measurement in the first place-- isn't determined by genetics.

I don't think that it's news to anyone that people who are more ignorant tend to be more prejudiced, is it?

149 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:46:58pm

re: #145 Kragar

It can be both.

True, but in this case, I think they're just trying too hard to be "controversial" by saying that Rush has nothing to apologize for.

150 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:47:01pm

re: #143 Gus

Who said anything about genetics?

Intelligence is partially an inherited trait.

151 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:47:14pm

re: #148 Obdicut

IQ-- which is a relatively bullshit measurement in the firstplace-- isn't determined solely by genetics.

FTFY.

152 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:47:52pm

re: #150 Killgore Trout

Intelligence is partially an inherited trait.

Ugh.

153 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:48:11pm

re: #150 Killgore Trout

Intelligence is partially an inherited trait.

That is possible, but what of it?

154 TedStriker  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:49:21pm

re: #38 Lidane

Wait, what? How the fuck do you present yourself and others as nymphs?

What the hell does that even mean?

The shitheel could even type "nymphos" correctly.

That should say something about their intellectual capacity.

155 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:50:22pm

re: #153 The Ineffable Name

That is possible, but what of it?

Don't you get it? It's all a slippery slope towards eugenics! Eleventy!

156 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:50:45pm

re: #153 The Ineffable Name

That is possible, but what of it?

The belief that a group is inherently inferior is in itself prejudice.

157 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:51:01pm

Good grief.

158 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:51:57pm

re: #156 Killgore Trout

The belief that a group is inherently inferior is in itself prejudice.

Well pardon me if I'm prejudiced against Rush Limbaugh, Rick Santorum, and wingnuts of all kinds. Yep. That's right. I'm prejudiced against these people.

159 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:52:03pm

re: #137 M. Dubious

Here's the testimony: [Link: www.whatthefolly.com...]

Show me her "...utterly stupid, over-the-top, outlandish remarks..."

Thanks. I hadn't read her whole statement before. It's powerful.

Fuck you Carl or Carla.

160 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:53:34pm

re: #156 Killgore Trout

The belief that a group is inherently inferior is in itself prejudice.

Do you think that people with low intelligence are inferior to people with higher intelligence- however you're defining intelligence?

All the stuff about prejudice and conservative attitudes is entirely besides the point, in the argument you're half-making.

I don't think people with lower intelligence are inferior to people with higher intelligence.

161 Kragar  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:54:12pm

re: #157 Gus

Good grief.

Apparently, the GOP has decided to use the Dan Akroyd strategy for the birth control issue

162 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:54:25pm

re: #137 M. Dubious

Here's the testimony: [Link: www.whatthefolly.com...]

Show me her "...utterly stupid, over-the-top, outlandish remarks..."

Easy it was stupid and outlandish because it was contrary to their beliefs. Yeah Rush shouldn't have to apologize at all for what he said because Rush is never wrong. Just like he was never wrong for condoning the LRA in Uganda.

163 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:54:33pm

re: #158 Gus

Well pardon me if I'm prejudiced against Rush Limbaugh, Rick Santorum, and wingnuts of all kinds. Yep. That's right. I'm prejudiced against these people.

ok.

164 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:55:02pm

re: #157 Gus

And that's from a woman whose twitter handle is CAPartyGirl.

165 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:55:08pm

re: #161 Kragar

Apparently, the GOP has decided to use the Dan Akroyd strategy for the birth control issue

[Embedded content]

Yes. But remember this person isn't inherently inferior.

She's equal but opposite.

//

166 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:55:42pm

Get ready for some Super Tuesday hijinks:

Why Rick Santorum’s Ohio Delegate Fiasco Could Get Messy

167 calochortus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:56:55pm

Well, it is a beautiful day out there, and it would be a shame to waste it not working in the yard. Later, all.

168 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:57:21pm

re: #156 Killgore Trout

The belief that a group is inherently inferior is in itself prejudice.

Um, no, what you said is:

Can you see the irony that you're advocating the idea that those who disagree with you are genetically inferior?

I don't see anything about genetics in that study Gus linked to. Low IQ, yes. Intelligence is a product of genes and environment, yes. However, nobody says that bigotry is genetically determined. Maybe it's the environmental part that is responsible, for all we know?

Also, what you're saying now is that it is wrong to be prejudiced against bigots.

169 TedStriker  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:58:40pm

re: #118 carlaschluge

You know, whether you're a garden-variety troll getting your kicks or you really believe the horseshit you're spouting, you're not very smart.

In fact, I don't see why you don't just take your martyr cookie and run over to the Blog of the Damned right now.

170 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:59:16pm

re: #168 The Ineffable Name

The environmental part is actually heavily indicated in that study. It talks about them being attracted to socially conservative positions because of the simplicity of the ideas, and about how those with lower 'cognitive ability' tend to have less contact with those of other races.

So it's not making anything like a genetic deterministic argument.

171 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:59:27pm

Santorum Cites Racist Author To Defend His Views On ‘The Dangers Of Contraception’

Murray co-authored The Bell Curve, which argues that black people score lower on IQ tests because they are genetically inferior to whites. To reach this conclusion, Murray relied on studies backed by the Pioneer Fund, whose original mission was to pursue “race betterment” for people “deemed to be descended predominantly from white persons who settled in the original thirteen states prior to the adoption of the Constitution.”

Oh but I must not be prejudiced against these twirps.

172 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:00:02pm

re: #170 Obdicut

Eggzactly!

173 M. Dubious  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:00:23pm

Wouldn't ugliness be an inheritable, genetically inferior feature as well then? All's I'm saying is I've seen some really hot dames with hippopotamus mothers.

174 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:00:59pm

re: #169 talon_262

I'm sure that's the whole point. Come here, say stupid and/or "controversial" things in order to piss Charles off and get banned, then go and whine about how mean we are.

It's why I'm not moved by their repeated attempts at trolling. Boring, uninspired, blatantly stupid trolls suck.

175 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:02:42pm

Even if bigotry were genetically determined (which I don't believe for a second), it still wouldn't be wrong to be prejudiced against bigots. It would be an immutable characteristic, true, but unlike skin color or sexual orientation that characteristic would actually define moral qualities of a person.

176 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:03:34pm

It's actually been a long-standing desire of mine to reform our education system to help people understand statistics and logic, precisely so that people who are 'lower' in 'intelligence' aren't as likely to be taken advantage of by hucksters, be they selling snake-oil, survival seeds, or race prejudice.

177 TedStriker  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:04:24pm

re: #174 Lidane

I'm sure that's the whole point. Come here, say stupid and/or "controversial" things in order to piss Charles off and get banned, then go and whine about how mean we are.

It's why I'm not moved by their repeated attempts at trolling. Boring, uninspired, blatantly stupid trolls suck.

But, of course...

Thing is, haters are gonna hate, no matter what and I'd just as soon not have to deal with shithead morons.

178 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:07:00pm

re: #176 Obdicut

Logic classes should be mandatory in school. So should classes in critical thinking.

179 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:07:39pm

re: #175 The Ineffable Name

Even if bigotry were genetically determined (which I don't believe for a second), it still wouldn't be wrong to be prejudiced against bigots. It would be an immutable characteristic, true, but unlike skin color or sexual orientation that characteristic would actually define moral qualities of a person.

I would not hire or work for a bigot. Call me prejudiced.

180 aagcobb  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:09:21pm

re: #178 Lidane

Logic classes should be mandatory in school. So should classes in critical thinking.

However, under President Santorum, colleges receiving federal funds will be required to provide balancing courses in illogic and credulous thinking.

181 mr.fusion  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:11:10pm

re: #157 Gus

Good grief.

This is the thing....Limbaugh isn't going to be repudiated because they all agree with him. He didn't go over the line, he just showed the dittoheads where the new line was. They've been dying to call women who use contraceptives or other forms of family planning "sluts" but they didn't think they could get away with it. El Rushbo (ClearChannel, and all their advertisers) just gave them the go ahead to use that type of language.

And this instance really shows just how rudderless the current GOP actually is. I can't imagine that Ronald Reagan would have stood for language like this.....Limbaugh would be ostracized from the party if there were any real leaders. But there aren't. And it's just the latest example that the only thing the GOP has going for it is anger and hate. I'd be shocked if a political party can exist for long when seething hatred is the only reason they give to voters.

182 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:11:36pm
183 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:12:13pm

re: #180 Youcan'ttouchthis

However, under President Santorum, colleges receiving federal funds will be required to provide balancing courses in illogic and credulous thinking.

I thought under the illogic quota cap and tax system that Bob Jones U and Liberty U were buying up all the illogic credits and making a mint on it.
/

184 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:12:24pm

re: #181 mr.fusion

And this instance rally shows just how rudderless the current GOP actually is. I can't imagine that Ronald Reagan would have stood for language like this...Limbaugh would be ostracized from the party if there were any real leaders. But there aren't.

That's just it -- these days people like Rush ARE the leaders of the party. The insane are running the asylum. It's been true for ages.

185 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:12:28pm
186 mr.fusion  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:15:54pm

re: #184 Lidane

That's just it -- these days people like Rush ARE the leaders of the party. The insane are running the asylum. It's been true for ages.

See I disagree with that....I don't think Rush really is the "leader." I don't think they have a leader. I see it more like Lord of the Flies. Just utter chaos, and at this point they're just chasing Piggy around the island.

187 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:17:30pm

re: #185 MikeySDCA

OT:

Fox just had a camera crew in a burg in Alabama that has been hit two years in a row. If it were me, I'd make like Aeneas after the fall of Troy: pack up the Lares and Penates, sling the son over my shoulder, and get the hell out of Dodge.

According to Led Zeppelin the place to move to after the levee breaks is Chicago. I guess for tornados you might consider heading for Pittsburgh.

(Though the downtown Pittsburgh area did manage a tornado touchdown a few years back. Pretty rare given the river valleys and hilly terrain.)

188 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:18:26pm

re: #186 mr.fusion

See I disagree with that...I don't think Rush really is the "leader." I don't think they have a leader. I see it more like Lord of the Flies. Just utter chaos, and at this point they're just chasing Piggy around the island.

The fact that none of the current GOP "leadership" sees fit to truly call Rush out for his disgusting comments shows that he's the de facto leader of the party. They're all playing some sort of delicate dance where they call his language "inappropriate" but then find some bullshit excuse why it's not so bad, like people boycotting his sponsors, or because he's "an entertainer" or some shit.

He's got the GOP "leadership" by the balls and he knows it. They won't move against him. Ever.

189 BrainSurfer  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:19:47pm

re: #99 Kragar

Conservative media diagram

Misrepresent argument, attack messenger, then discuss the controversy

Straight from the Alinsky playbook.

Or .... maybe done out of simple dumbness.

190 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:21:08pm

re: #189 BrainSurfer

Straight from the Alinsky playbook.

Have you actually read Alinsky's playbook?

191 BrainSurfer  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:25:49pm

re: #190 The Ineffable Name

Have you actually read Alinsky's playbook?

In fascinating detail, as well as SunTze's The Art of War, the Clausewitz book, and other military and political strategy titles. Amazing what history can teach us. Rules for Radicals is fascinating, no matter what you political perspective.

192 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:29:10pm

re: #118 carlaschluge

Rush has nothing to apologize about. If you don't like what what says, you don't have to listento his show. Fluke, on the other hand, should apologize for her utterly stupid, over-the-top, outlandish remarks she made during her testimony. Of course, Pelosi is such a left-wing nut that it should have been expected that she'd call a fellow nut to testify.

You're an ignorant moron. Stupidest post on LFG in some time.

193 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:31:04pm

The E and U keys are far apart, so no typo.

That would be lie. I have no idea who the hell SunTze is. Maybe Kaiser Soze's hit man?

194 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:33:29pm

re: #193 Kronocide

The E and U keys are far apart, so no typo.

That would be lie. I have no idea who the hell SunTze is. Maybe Kaiser Soze's hit man?

An alternative translation. His name also appears as Sun Tze, Sun Zi, and a few other variations.

195 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:39:24pm

re: #193 Kronocide

Isn't "Tzu" pretty incorrect on its own, tho?

196 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:40:31pm

Somebody asked about the use of "co-eds" yesterday, today I read it on cracked.

Anyway:
[Link: en.wiktionary.org...]

Noun
co-ed (plural co-eds)
(US, dated, informal, inaccurate) A young woman who attends college.
(US, dated, informal, inaccurate) A (generally young) woman, especially on the campus of a college or other educational institute.

197 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:49:59pm

re: #194 Renaissance_Man

Oh, I've never seen it typed that way.

198 BrainSurfer  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:50:59pm

re: #195 The Ineffable Name

Isn't "Tzu" pretty incorrect on its own, tho?

The book is "Sun Tze on the Art of War", by one of the most famous Generals in Chinese history who lived roughly 500 BC. The book itself is"the oldest military treatise in the world", and is a classic widely read today by those who study leadership, strategy, and tactics.

199 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:53:45pm

re: #198 BrainSurfer

Thanks, Cap.

200 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:55:00pm

re: #195 The Ineffable Name

Isn't "Tzu" pretty incorrect on its own, tho?

Depends on the translation. In some translations, he's known as Sunzi and Sun Wu.

It's basically part and parcel of the fact that we don't have exact translations for a lot of the Chinese language. Even naming conventions can be a challenge.

201 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:56:06pm

re: #198 BrainSurfer

You know what Wikipedia is. Good for you.

202 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:56:18pm

re: #191 BrainSurfer

In fascinating detail, as well as SunTze's The Art of War, the Clausewitz book, and other military and political strategy titles. Amazing what history can teach us. Rules for Radicals is fascinating, no matter what you political perspective.

I've read "Rules.." and "Reveille..". If you put them in the same category as Sun Tzu and Clausewitz, you have fallen for some serious hype.

203 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 2:05:31pm

re: #189 BrainSurfer

Straight from the Alinsky playbook.

Or ... maybe done out of simple dumbness.

Not the dreaded Aliiiinskyyyy! Aieee!

204 BrainSurfer  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 2:27:19pm

re: #201 Lidane

You know what Wikipedia is. Good for you.

Sorry to disappoint, Lidane, but I will throw that dart right back at you. I'm holding my copy of a reprint of the 1964 edition of "Sun Tze on the Art of War" by Lionel Giles, M.A. Picked it up in Taipei back in the early 80's. Just reviewing the history on "Sun Tze" and "Sun Wu" which is a bit ambiguous . The book's intro starts with a reference to one biographer Ssu-ma Chien, who is quoted "Sun Tzu Wu was a native of the Chi State. His Arz of War brought him to the notice of Ho Lu, Kind of Wu..." (spellings per the book).

205 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 2:29:20pm

re: #204 BrainSurfer

I think the joke was more about you restating the obvious. People here know who Sun Tzi is, thank you very much.

206 BrainSurfer  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 2:30:27pm

re: #203 Charles Johnson

Not the dreaded Aliiinskyyy! Aieee!

In Chinese, that would be aiyah!

207 BrainSurfer  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 2:32:46pm

re: #205 The Ineffable Name

I think the joke was more about you restating the obvious. People here know who Sun Tzi is, thank you very much.

Ha - now that's funny!

208 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 3:14:34pm

re: #204 BrainSurfer

Hey, look at that. You can read the dust jacket of a book AND you know what Wikipedia is.

A few more accomplishments and you might just reach the level of boring troll. Keep trying.

209 Decider  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:24:53pm

re: #189 BrainSurfer

Straight from the Alinsky playbook.

Or ... maybe done out of simple dumbness.

Ridicule is the foundation of Conservative talk radio. Talk radio is straight up Alinsky.


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