Pamela Geller Spews Hatred at Sandra Fluke: ‘Banging It Five Times a Day’

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Rush Limbaugh may have “apologized” (disclaimer: not a real apology) for his caveman comments about Sandra Fluke, but the right wing blogosphere continues to spew torrents of venom at her.

Tonight’s case in point is hate group leader Pamela Geller, parroting the latest talking point that Ed Schultz is somehow equivalent to Rush Limbaugh, and calling Sandra Fluke a “prostitute” who is “banging it five times a day:” SLUTGATE: CONTACT CARBONITE - DROP ED SCHULTZ!!!!! - Atlas Shrugs.

A 30-year-old poses as a 23-year-old, chooses a Catholic University to attend at $65,000 per year and can not afford ALL the birth control pills she needs… so she wants the US taxpayers to pay for her rampant sexual activity. By all accounts she is banging it five times a day. She sounds more like a prostitute to me. She must have an gyno bill to choke a horse (pun intended). Slut was a softball.

Obama calls her and tells Sandra Slut Fluke that her parents should be so proud of her.
He’s a pimp.
Did he call the sole survivor of the Fogel family massacre?
He is morally bankrupt.

As for Rush calling a spade a spade, or in this case, a slut a slut, advertiser Carbonite is playing selective outrage. Contact Carbonite here and demand that they drop their ads from Ed Schultz’s program.

UPDATE at 3/4/12 8:20:42 pm

Pamela Geller’s audience comments:

you know what.. I hope fluke gets circumcised totally..

she supports muslims wholeheartedly..

may her clit be sliced to the root..

fuck fluke

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1 S.D.  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:20:01pm

It's Pamela Geller: Of course that wack job goes off the rails...

2 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:20:05pm

Holy shit.

How do so many people achieve-- or pretend-- ignorance about how birth control works?

3 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:21:23pm

I'm so sorry I called you a crack-head, sleazy, child-candy-stealing, lazy, nasty creep.

I didn't mean that to be a personal insult.

4 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:22:39pm

Pam getting the facts behind a story 100% ass backwards and coming across as a total scumball while doing it? What are the odds?

5 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:22:57pm

re: #3 To hold my temper, most of the time.

I'm so sorry I called you a crack-head, sleazy, child-candy-stealing, lazy, nasty creep.

I didn't mean that to be a personal insult.

'No offence, but you're a crack-head, sleazy, child-candy-stealing, lazy, nasty, creep.'

That opening disclaimer is key.

6 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:24:56pm

Where is she getting the facts about "pretending to be 23" (does Law School have a maximum age), and "banging it 5 times a day?"

7 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:26:07pm

re: #6 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Where is she getting the facts about "pretending to be 23" (does Law School have a maximum age), and "banging it 5 times a day?"

The same place where some asshole said Fluke was talking about sex.

8 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:26:59pm

The Deep Resentment of Having to Think About It: Rush Limbaugh and Sandra Fluke

"Rush Limbaugh didn’t attack Sandra Fluke because of her or anyone else’s sexual behavior. Given his personal history — and his more general ideological proclivities — it’s fair to say that he is vigorously protective of behaviors which are, as a function of what they are, fundamentally dependent on women who behave precisely in the manner of the straw-woman he is attacking. That’s not what this is about. Limbaugh called Sandra Fluke a “slut” because she asserted her right to speak publicly about and make publicly thinkable a set of experiences and problems that he has a very direct and personal interest in excluding from public space."

Geller is just a squawking attack parrot, doing the bidding of the leader of the dittoheadGOP.

9 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:27:17pm

Are these the "conservative principles" they are always touting? Being a raging, all-out, gutter-trash-talking, crazy-talking lunatic? Really?

Geller, Vinnie, Limbaugh, and all the rest of these creeps sound like street hustlers. They keep talking about "sluts" but they sure have the talk of the streets down pat.

10 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:27:30pm

Sandra Fluke never pretended to be 23 years old. This is another right wing myth.

11 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:32:14pm

Again, good on President Obama for calling her. She showed courage that deserves to be recognized.

I think part of the fury from these assholes is that I really doubt she gives a shit what they say about her. She cares that they're trying to block contraception access, I"m sure, but I really doubt she gives a rat's ass what these hateful fucks think of her.

She knows she has the respect of good men and women.

12 Lidane  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:35:13pm

I think I've watched Sandra Fluke's testimony three or four times now, and I'm still trying to figure out how any of what she said before Congress merits this sort of misogyny and outright slander of an intelligent, well-spoken, educated young woman.

I can't come up with anything except these people just being hateful assholes. That's the only explanation that makes any sense.

13 SpaceJesus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:35:52pm

Of course all of this will conveniently be ignored 40 years from now by future conservatives, just like how today's conservatives ignore how conservatives of the past opposed women's suffrage.

14 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:37:54pm

re: #12 Lidane

As long as it's a conversation about someone's sexual habits, people will be distracted from the conversation about equal healthcare coverage.

15 dragonfire1981  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:39:24pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Sandra Fluke never pretended to be 23 years old. This is another right wing myth.

Apparently right wingers expect all college students to be no older than 23. It's like they got their entire concept of "college students" from either a porn film or a teen sex comedy.

16 dragonfire1981  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:39:56pm

And on another note, I just can't understand how a person could live with that much hate inside them. I would go crazy being in a rage all the time.

17 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:41:13pm

re: #12 Lidane

I think I've watched Sandra Fluke's testimony three or four times now, and I'm still trying to figure out how any of what she said before Congress merits this sort of misogyny and outright slander of an intelligent, well-spoken, educated young woman.

I can't come up with anything except these people just being hateful assholes. That's the only explanation that makes any sense.

The only conclusion I can come to, as I voiced earlier today, is that she's being hated for bringing facts into the debate that they can't simply argue away. That birth control pills have uses besides contraception, that insurance companies utilize such archaic regulations to deny claims on technicalities, that contraception is not "cheap" for those working on strict budgets, and that women are suffering from otherwise treatable conditions due to inability to afford something that should be covered by every comprehensive insurance plan.

So the only recourse they see is to destroy not only her, but her testimony. That means demeaning her, dubbing her a "liar" and a "fraud," and doing everything possible to make people reflexively avoid her testimony.

18 Lidane  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:41:16pm

re: #14 jaunte

As long as it's a conversation about someone's sexual habits, people will be distracted from the conversation about equal healthcare coverage.

I guess. I mean, if you look at her comments, she confines them to health-related issues and about how the lack of access to contraception hurts women in their health care.

She never once says anything about her sex life or anyone else's sex life. She was respectful of the Congressional leaders she was speaking to, she was well-dressed, and she handled herself with poise. Nothing about her testimony should merit the sheer amount of hate and rage she's gotten from the right. They're insane.

19 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:43:46pm

re: #18 Lidane

I think the followers are quite willing to act insane when given the lead, but Limbaugh himself is deliberately focusing on a fictional sex story to prevent contraception coverage from being the center of a real discussion.

20 Lidane  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:44:25pm

re: #17 Targetpractice

That birth control pills have uses besides contraception

I think this is the biggest thing. These morons can't even imagine that The Pill has uses other than just preventing pregnancy. They clearly think that anyone on birth control is just doing it to "bang it five times a day" or whatever without the possibility of pregnancy.

It never occurs to these cretins that there are very valid reasons to take birth control pills that have nothing to do with avoiding pregnancy.

21 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:45:17pm

7th advertiser pulls out of Limbaugh's show

22 Lidane  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:47:26pm

re: #19 jaunte

I think the followers are quite willing to act insane when given the lead, but Limbaugh himself is deliberately focusing on a fictional sex story to prevent contraception coverage from being the center of a real discussion.

True. Because it's easier to suggest that a woman is a slut instead of actually paying attention to what she said and to the valid issues she raised.

And imbeciles like Pam Geller go right along with it. It's lunacy.

23 SpaceJesus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:47:46pm

Pamela Geller is an angry person

24 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:48:23pm

re: #21 Gus

7th advertiser pulls out of Limbaugh's show

HEHEHE PULL OUT HEHEHEHE

/Beavis & Butt-Head do Politics

25 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:48:32pm

re: #23 SpaceJesus

Pamela Geller is an angry person

They all are. Been that was since 9/11.

26 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:49:10pm

U-G-L-Y, she ain't got no alibi, her brain is ugly, ey ey, it's ugly.

27 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:50:06pm

re: #19 jaunte

I think the followers are quite willing to act insane when given the lead, but Limbaugh himself is deliberately focusing on a fictional sex story to prevent contraception coverage from being the center of a real discussion.

Rush's tactic, as well as the rest of the wingnuts, seems to be to go with the contraception angle but argue that only women who need to have it covered so badly are the ones having "too much sex." That good, prim, and proper women who even contraception do so so infrequently that it's "cheap" for them.

28 SpaceJesus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:50:32pm

re: #25 Gus

I wonder how ISLAMISTS JIHADIS view contraceptives

29 Tigger2005  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:53:41pm

re: #16 dragonfire1981

And on another note, I just can't understand how a person could live with that much hate inside them. I would go crazy being in a rage all the time.

I think my teeth would be worn to nubs from all that gnashing and grinding.

30 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:54:01pm

re: #28 SpaceJesus

I wonder how ISLAMISTS JIHADIS view contraceptives

Apparently like the average wingnut.

31 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:54:04pm

re: #27 Targetpractice

Rush's tactic, as well as the rest of the wingnuts, seems to be to go with the contraception angle but argue that only women who need to have it covered so badly are the ones having "too much sex." That good, prim, and proper women who even contraception do so so infrequently that it's "cheap" for them.

The fact is that oral contraceptives (which are used for other purposes than birth control) have to be taken in measured doses over a period of time...NOT every time you have sex.

But hey, why let FACTS get in the way of a good rant?

32 Lidane  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:55:22pm

re: #28 SpaceJesus

I wonder how ISLAMISTS JIHADIS view contraceptives

Exactly like Pam Geller, Rush Limbaugh and the rest of the RWNJs.

Someone should tell Pam she's agreeing with the Sharia-loving Muslims she hates so much.

33 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:55:34pm

re: #17 Targetpractice

The only conclusion I can come to, as I voiced earlier today, is that she's being hated for bringing facts into the debate that they can't simply argue away. That birth control pills have uses besides contraception, that insurance companies utilize such archaic regulations to deny claims on technicalities, that contraception is not "cheap" for those working on strict budgets, and that women are suffering from otherwise treatable conditions due to inability to afford something that should be covered by every comprehensive insurance plan.

So the only recourse they see is to destroy not only her, but her testimony. That means demeaning her, dubbing her a "liar" and a "fraud," and doing everything possible to make people reflexively avoid her testimony.

I think you're overcomplicating it. It has been demonstrated many times that bringing facts into a debate, incontrovertible facts, is utterly irrelevant when dealing with a cult. It doesn't matter how obvious the fact is, the equation remains the same. Shout angrily against the facts, rant about something unrelated, use the appropriate keywords, and the following will happen:
1. Conservative cultists will be enraged and attack the same target/support the rant.
2. Conservativist media will create a story out of whole cloth that bears only a passing resemblance to the actual story.
3. All other news sources will report the actual facts/story as one side of the story, faithfully teaching the controversy.
4. Average Americans will get upset that 'everything is so polarised', 'both sides are fighting', and believe that the truth lies somewhere between the facts and the made-up rant.

The point is, they don't need to attack Sandra Fluke to discredit her facts. They don't need to reframe the debate to have people avoid any uncomfortable truths. Facts are not important. What matters is that you present a visceral, emotive reaction to her so that everyone, most importantly the cultists who are looking to you to know what their reaction should be and the journalists who are waiting to know whether they can report this as a story of two opposing views, knows what emotional response is appropriate.

What Sandra Fluke said is irrelevant. She was up there to testify in support of a Thing Liberals Like. Therefore, it is important to Conservativists that she be demonised, so everyone in America knows what emotional response they should have. Even if you now remind everyone that she didn't say any of the things she's being demonised about, and that the facts are really obvious and not especially debatable, it's too late. Everyone has now had their emotional response, and now their minds cannot be changed. It is now 'fact' that she was talking about her sex life, and that one side thinks she's a slut and the other side is defending her right to be a slut. And average Americans now think that yes, Rush and the rest are totally inappropriate to be calling her names like that, but Congress definitely shouldn't be wasting time hearing about people's sex lives when we're in so much debt and we're totally broke.

And if you then demonstrate that she didn't talk about her sex life, they will be upset that both sides are fighting.

34 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:55:37pm

re: #31 Learned Mother of Zion

The fact is that oral contraceptives (which are used for other purposes than birth control) have to be taken in measured doses over a period of time...NOT every time you have sex.

But hey, why let FACTS get in the way of a good rant?

Because the first ones to start the "slut/prostitute" bits were men, who automatically went "$3000 sounds like a lot of condoms."

35 Egregious Philbin  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:56:32pm

Typical, she didn't actually watch, or read the testimony...

This is biting the nutcase conservatives in the arse, and they are scared. Will be an interesting week, because there is NO way to spin this other than that Rush is a woman hating, out of touch asshole.

36 SpaceJesus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:56:33pm

re: #32 Lidane

Slut shaming doesn't follow geographical borders, it's something near and dear to conservatives the world over.

37 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:56:56pm

re: #29 Tigger2005

I think my teeth would be worn to nubs from all that gnashing and grinding.

In the end, you might win up with a purty mouth...

/squeal like a pig

///

38 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:57:36pm

If I remember correctly. Dinesh D'souza once wrote that conservatives [sic] have a lot in common with the Taliban.

D'Souza once again turns his eye for social criticism to liberals, this time asserting their responsibility for the rise of anti-Americanism abroad and perhaps even the terrorist attacks of 9/11. The cultural Left in the U.S., by pressing for sexual freedom for women and gays through birth control, no-fault divorce, and support for gay marriage, has not only undermined American culture but also provoked the ire of religious conservatives in other nations, most prominently Islamic fundamentalists. Contrary to President Bush's assertions that terrorists and their supporters hate American freedom, D'Souza asserts that what they really hate is our licentious culture. He notes that American conservatives have more in common with Islamic Fundamentalists than with American liberals.

Review for The Enemy At Home: The Cultural Left and Its Responsibility for 9/11 by Dinesh D'Souza.

39 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:58:09pm

re: #35 Egregious Philbin

Typical, she didn't actually watch, or read the testimony...

This is biting the nutcase conservatives in the arse, and they are scared. Will be an interesting week, because there is NO way to spin this other than that Rush is a woman hating, out of touch asshole.

The spin has already begun, with screeching about how Rush didn't need to apologize, that Fluke is a slut ("what else do you call someone who has so much sex?"), and criticizing "liberals" for turning the whole thing towards contraception when it should be about "religious freedom."

40 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:58:42pm

re: #12 Lidane

I think I've watched Sandra Fluke's testimony three or four times now, and I'm still trying to figure out how any of what she said before Congress merits this sort of misogyny and outright slander of an intelligent, well-spoken, educated young woman.

I can't come up with anything except these people just being hateful assholes. That's the only explanation that makes any sense.

They are who we thought they were.

41 Typhaeon  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:58:50pm

As opposed to Geller herself, who must bang it at least 100 times a day to get a shiny dome like that. Her forehead, that is.

Okay, so it may be a little tacky to dog her for her looks given the repugnance of her ideas, but hey, it's fun.

42 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:00:18pm

re: #41 Typhaeon

As opposed to Geller herself, who must bang it at least 100 times a day to get a shiny dome like that. Her forehead, that is.

Okay, so it may be a little tacky to dog her for her looks given the repugnance of her ideas, but hey, it's fun.

Here weave (wig?) is a ridiculous rat's nest.

43 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:00:24pm

Even conservatives are reluctant to admit that some radical Muslims may have valid objections to American society. -- Dinesh D'Souza.

44 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:00:44pm

re: #33 Renaissance_Man

"Congress definitely shouldn't be wasting time hearing about people's sex lives when we're in so much debt and we're totally broke."

The fact that contraception saves a ton of downstream healthcare costs doesn't seem to penetrate the heads of even the self-identified 'fiscal conservatives.'

45 S.D.  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:00:59pm

re: #5 Renaissance_Man

'No offence, but you're a crack-head, sleazy, child-candy-stealing, lazy, nasty, creep.'

That opening disclaimer is key.

No, No, it has to end with "But I mean it in the Best Way!"

46 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:01:36pm

re: #23 SpaceJesus

Pamela Geller is an angry person

Geller is blinded by hate.

47 nines09  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:01:44pm

Actually what I intend to do is to fire off an email and thank Carbonite for having more decency than the entire GOP/TP.

48 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:01:51pm

Peer into the mind:

We should not dismiss the Islamic or traditional critique so easily. In fact, as our own domestic and cultural debate shows, we know that many of the concerns raised by the radical Muslims are widely-shared in our own society. Indeed, many conservative and religious Americans agree with the Islamic fundamentalists that American culture has become increasingly vulgar, trivial and disgusting. I am not merely referring to the reality shows where contestants eat maggots or the talk shows where guests reveal the humiliating details of their sex lives. I am also referring to “high culture,” to liberal culture that offers itself as refined and sophisticated.

Here, for example, is a brief excerpt from Eve Ensler’s “The Vagina Monologues,” a play that won rave reviews and Hollywood accolades and is now routinely performed (according to its own publicity materials) in “more than 20 countries, including China and Turkey.” In the book version of the play—now sold in translation in Pakistan, India, and Egypt—Ensler offers what she terms “Vagina Occurrences”: “Glenn Close gets 2,500 people to stand up and chant the word ****…There is now a **** Workshop at Wesleyan University…Roseanne performs ‘What Does Your Vagina Smell Like?” in her underwear for two thousand people…Alanis Morisette and Audra McDonald sing the **** piece.”[xxx] And so on. If all of this makes many Americans uncomfortable and embarrassed—which may be part of Ensler’s objective—one can only imagine how it is received in traditional cultures where the public recitation of such themes and language is considered a grotesque violation of manners and morals. Nor is Ensler an extreme example. If the garbage heap of American excess leaves many Americans feeling dirty and defiled at home, what gives America the right to dump it on the rest of the world?

Dinesh D'Souza

49 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:02:31pm

For the record Sandra's estimate of the upper end of birth control pill cost for female law students was actually a bit low. The most expensive combined hormonal non-emergency pill is Alesse, with a brand cost $129 per menstrual cycle (generic cost $99.99)

At the lower generic cost that's $1200 per year, or $3600 for 3 years of law school. This cost is incurred regardless of the number of times a woman has sex, a chaste virgin using the Pill solely for medical reasons unrelated to pregnancy would pay the same. This estimate also ignores the cost of the gynecological visit and pelvic exams necessary to get the prescription, which if they're written up as relating to the prescription may not be covered by Catholic insurance either.

50 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:02:32pm

re: #44 jaunte

The fact that contraception saves a ton of downstream healthcare costs doesn't seem to penetrate the heads of even the self-identified 'fiscal conservatives.'

Because they've got it drilled into their heads that "Obamacare" is taking money out of their pockets, thus to them, this mandate is just one more thing looking to suck money from them.

51 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:03:33pm

re: #38 Gus

If I remember correctly. Dinesh D'souza once wrote that conservatives [sic] have a lot in common with the Taliban.

Review for The Enemy At Home: The Cultural Left and Its Responsibility for 9/11 by Dinesh D'Souza.

While sounding like a complete douchebag themselves.

52 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:03:37pm

re: #49 goddamnedfrank

For the record Sandra's estimate of the upper end of birth control pill cost for female law students was actually a bit low. The most expensive combined hormonal non-emergency pill is Alesse, with a brand cost $129 per menstrual cycle (generic cost $99.99)

At the lower generic cost that's $1200 per year, or $3600 for 3 years of law school. This cost is incurred regardless of the number of times a woman has sex, a chaste virgin using the Pill solely for medical reasons unrelated to pregnancy would pay the same. This estimate also ignores the cost of the gynecological visit and pelvic exams necessary to get the prescription, which if they're written up as relating to the prescription may not be covered by Catholic insurance either.

That can't be right! I've been told you can get the pill down at Wal-Mart for $9!

53 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:03:40pm

re: #48 Gus

Shorter Dinesh: "Men all over the world are uncomfortable with the idea of lady parts. Stop talking about them!"

54 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:06:11pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

Because they've got it drilled into their heads that "Obamacare" is taking money out of their pockets, thus to them, this mandate is just one more thing looking to suck money from them.

Today's conservative movement seems to be rooted in the notion that half of the country is mooching off of the other half of the country and conservatives of course never, ever see themselves as the moochers.

55 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:07:06pm

re: #38 Gus

If I remember correctly. Dinesh D'souza once wrote that conservatives [sic] have a lot in common with the Taliban.

Review for The Enemy At Home: The Cultural Left and Its Responsibility for 9/11 by D'Souza.

American Taliban.

56 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:07:23pm

re: #43 Gus

Even conservatives are reluctant to admit that some radical Muslims may have valid objections to American society. -- Dinesh D'Souza.

Sorry, but in my book, Dinesh D'Souza is a D'ope.

I watched several debates between him and Hitchens.

57 McSpiff  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:07:26pm

re: #54 moderatelyradicalliberal

Today's conservative movement seems to be rooted in the notion that half of the country is mooching off of the other half of the country and conservatives of course never, ever see themselves as the moochers.

Ha! you wish. Its the 99% mooching off the 1%.

58 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:07:54pm

re: #53 jaunte

Shorter Dinesh: "Men all over the world are uncomfortable with the idea of lady parts. Stop talking about them!"

It is interesting that Dinesh D'Souza was willing to admit this. He's probably one of a very small number. We like to joke about it but it's true.

59 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:08:26pm

re: #53 jaunte

Shorter Dinesh: "Men all over the world are uncomfortable with the idea of have no idea what to do with lady parts. Stop talking about them!"

60 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:08:54pm

re: #48 Gus

Fine. Let sniveling little theocratic douchebag D'Souza move to a place where he'd be more comfortable, like Saudi Arabia.

61 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:08:58pm

re: #57 McSpiff

Ha! you wish. Its the 99% mooching off the 1%.

Which is why we're not already ruling the world as everyone accepts our inherent military and moral superiority.
/

62 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:09:43pm

re: #56 b_sharp

Sorry, but in my book, Dinesh D'Souza is a D'ope.

I watched several debates between him and Hitchens.

D'Souza is wrong in his assessment of these social issues. But in noting the commonalities between Middle Eastern fundamentalists and American fundamentalists. I remember when he came out with this book and the wingnuts were outraged that he made that observation.

63 Tigger2005  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:09:58pm

re: #33 Renaissance_Man

4. Average Americans will get upset that 'everything is so polarised', 'both sides are fighting', and believe that the truth lies somewhere between the facts and the made-up rant.

This.

This is something I have tried over and over to get across to my niece's husband. He puts the blame for our current political situation on "both sides." "Both sides" need to stop fighting and get down to business. I keep explaining that it's only one side that's fighting, the other side is trying desperately to have a rational conversation.It just doesn't seem to sink in. And this "polarization" won't stop, even if Rush goes away, until people are able to acknowledge the real issue, that one "side" in the "debate" has jumped the shark. The "Red Scare" didn't stop until enough Americans faced up to the fact that McCarthy was not rational, and thousands of lives were destroyed before the witch hunt ended.

64 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:10:26pm
65 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:10:34pm

re: #53 jaunte

Shorter Dinesh: "Men all over the world are uncomfortable with the idea of lady parts. Stop talking about them!"

To some men, lady parts are just sex toys to masturbate with.

66 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:10:55pm

It's pretty crazy stuff too. Read this from Dinesh:

The Bush administration and the conservatives must stop promoting American popular culture because it is producing a blowback of Muslim rage. With a few exceptions, the right should not bother to defend American movies, music, and television. From the point of view of traditional values, they are indefensible. Moreover, why should the right stand up for the left’s debased values? Why should our people defend their America? Rather, American conservatives should join the Muslims and others in condemning the global moral degeneracy that is produced by liberal values.

67 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:11:56pm

re: #62 Gus

D'Souza is wrong in his assessment of these social issues. But in noting the commonalities between Middle Eastern fundamentalists and American fundamentalists. I remember when he came out with this book and the wingnuts were outraged that he made that observation.

What is that saying about a stopped clock?

68 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:13:43pm

re: #66 Gus

It's pretty crazy stuff too. Read this from Dinesh:

So he thinks we should align ourselves with the Taliban? Derp!

69 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:13:59pm

re: #66 Gus

"the global moral degeneracy that is produced by liberal values."

Alrighty then.

70 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:14:02pm

re: #66 Gus

It's pretty crazy stuff too. Read this from Dinesh:

Dinesh D'Souza: Douchebag theocratic RWNJ.

71 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:14:50pm

re: #66 Gus

It's pretty crazy stuff too. Read this from Dinesh:

Rather, American conservatives should join the Muslims and others in condemning the global moral degeneracy that is produced by liberal values.

Then I suppose it's reasonable to speculate if he favors executing gays or mutilating women's genitals. After all, the people who do those things share his precious conservative values.

*spit*

72 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:15:10pm

re: #67 b_sharp

What is that saying about a stopped clock?

Well the problem is he never seemed to be alarmed by the similarities. Of all groups of people to align yourself with the Taliban shouldn't be on your list.

73 BongCrodny  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:15:44pm

D'erp.

74 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:16:13pm

re: #71 Interesting Times

Then I suppose it's reasonable to speculate if he favors executing gays or mutilating women's genitals. After all, the people who do those things share his precious values.

*spit*

Perhaps instead of calling women sluts, we should just go back to public stonings?

75 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:17:09pm
"...so she wants the US taxpayers to pay for her rampant sexual activity. By all accounts she is banging it five times a day."

"And by 'all accounts' I mean that fantastical porno running in my head that causes me to hate that bitch sooo much because I imagine her getting more action in a day than I get in a decade".

/too much?

76 freetoken  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:20:17pm

re: #63 Tigger2005

... He puts the blame for our current political situation on "both sides." "Both sides" need to stop fighting and get down to business....

People differ in their ability to handle conflict (for many reasons), and whenever I hear someone trying to put a boundary around a conflict by equating all the parties as a single entity (them) and thus attempting to dismiss any effort to analyze the conflict - I wonder why that person just doesn't come out and admit that they just don't want to deal with issue.

Rarely are "both sides" equal (in guilt, or culpability, or ability) when it comes to a conflict, IMO. Almost always there is a superior and an inferior party - some sort of asymmetry exists.


I accept that we humans, being naked apes, are like the rest of the primates and are tribal animals with males fighting for dominance (and likewise females fighting for dominance). Whenever there is a conflict my default starting position is that one party is trying to position themselves higher in the relationship/family/group/tribe than the other.

In the case of current American politics this is rather straightforward, given the nakedness of the grab for power of the participants.

77 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:20:48pm

re: #69 jaunte

"the global moral degeneracy that is produced by liberal values."

Alrighty then.

And that does sound very familiar. It's an extremist fundamentalist view which is almost universal. That is also the basis for the rhetoric from Rush Limbaugh, Pam Geller, and all the rest of them. But I guess we all know this already. I'm almost fascinated by the detail he goes through with this. Dinesh has a rather loathsome view of modern American culture. It's almost comical like watching Archie Bunker rant away.

78 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:20:52pm

Liberal values: If you don't believe in gay marriage, don't marry a homosexual. If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one.

79 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:22:06pm

re: #78 Kragar

Liberal values: If you don't believe in gay marriage, don't marry a homosexual. If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one.

Personal responsibility, it is an amazing thing, isn't it?

80 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:22:42pm

re: #66 Gus

I hereby condemn Elvis Presley, close dancing, and the usage of the phrase "darn it", unless it's a command given to a female to stitch up socks.
/

81 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:22:51pm

re: #78 Kragar

Liberal values: If you don't believe in gay marriage, don't marry a homosexual. If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one.

Just. Say. No.

82 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:23:58pm

re: #79 Targetpractice

Personal responsibility, it is an amazing thing, isn't it?

Personal responsibility and freedom only works when strictly regulated by the government, unlike the banking, oil or housing industries.

83 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:24:57pm

re: #82 Kragar

Personal responsibility and freedom only works when strictly regulated by the government, unlike the banking, oil or housing industries.

Indeed, we must save people from themselves. Unlike them evil liberals, who think they know better than others!

///

84 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:26:22pm

This really is some pretty crazy shit we're watching.

85 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:27:02pm

re: #84 Gus

This really is some pretty crazy shit we're watching.

What, Terminator Salvation on TNT? Yeah, I think it's pretty cool what they did, but I still think the franchise is dead.

Wait, that's not we're talking about?

//

86 ElCapitanAmerica  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:28:18pm

From breitbart.com ... on an unrelated article (about Andrew's last column ...)
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

--------------------------------------------------------------
LOS_PEPES
I really have great sympathy for Ms. Fluke and so in order to help her out I want to urge everyone to place at least one (unused) condom in an envelope and send to her at:

Sandra Fluke C/O
[Address redacted]

Maybe if enough of us respond she can make it through at least the next few months.

A LIKE REPLY
-------------------------------------------------------

87 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:28:38pm

re: #77 Gus

And that does sound very familiar. It's an extremist fundamentalist view which is almost universal. That is also the basis for the rhetoric from Rush Limbaugh, Pam Geller, and all the rest of them. But I guess we all know this already. I'm almost fascinated by the detail he goes through with this. Dinesh has a rather loathsome view of modern American culture. It's almost comical like watching Archie Bunker rant away.

People like D'Souza ultimately hearken back to old-time religion concepts of moral contagion and collective culpability. If they could just get rid of or tamp down the "wrong kind of people" then social ills would evaporate. But until then the Demiurge demands witch hunts and pillory.

88 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:28:39pm

re: #84 Gus

Contraception is huge.

89 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:28:41pm

re: #77 Gus

Dinesh has a rather loathsome view of modern American culture. It's almost comical like watching Archie Bunker rant away.

Except Archie Bunker, unlike theocratic little turd D'Souza, had redeeming qualities. Maybe I'm just sensitive after this whole Limbaugh thing, and reading earlier of how 90% of Egyptian girls and women are still subject to FGM, but I. have. HAD IT with these self-righteous festering globs of Fournier gangrene goo. I wish I could do the Twilight Zone thing and turn Douche D'Souza into a Somalian woman or a gay man in Uganda.

90 BongCrodny  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:28:52pm

re: #85 Targetpractice

Wait, that's not we're talking about?

//

Maybe it's Walking Dead. Big-time ending on tonight's episode.

91 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:30:06pm

re: #88 jaunte

Contraception is huge.

Apparently.

92 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:30:42pm
93 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:30:56pm

re: #86 ElCapitanAmerica

But he was a good man in His private life.

//

94 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:32:22pm

re: #86 ElCapitanAmerica

What a lovely touch that he has to specify (unused).

95 BongCrodny  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:34:01pm

re: #86 ElCapitanAmerica

From breitbart.com ... on an unrelated article (about Andrew's last column ...)
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

---
LOS_PEPES
I really have great sympathy for Ms. Fluke and so in order to help her out I want to urge everyone to place at least one (unused) condom in an envelope and send to her at:

Sandra Fluke C/O
[address redacted]

Maybe if enough of us respond she can make it through at least the next few months.

A LIKE REPLY
---

The idea is bad enough, but even more frightening is there are going to be hundreds of like-minded dipshits who are likely to take him up on it.

96 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:35:42pm

[Link: towleroad.typepad.com...]

97 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:35:42pm

From my perspective, the current right wing blogsphere is what happens when a hive mind doesn't have any critical thinking skills.

98 Mocking Jay  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:36:55pm

Wait, doesn't every woman pretend to be at least five years younger?

/

99 Lidane  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:37:40pm

re: #90 BongCrodny

Maybe it's Walking Dead. Big-time ending on tonight's episode.

NO SPOILERS! I'm working on finishing an exam so I haven't seen tonight's episode yet. :(

101 BongCrodny  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:39:29pm

re: #99 Lidane

NO SPOILERS! I'm working on finishing an exam so I haven't seen tonight's episode yet. :(

Aw, I wouldn't tell you that mumble mumble mumble mumble mumble...

102 ElCapitanAmerica  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:39:58pm

And a reply to the "mail her condoms" comment on the same thread;

------------
OENONE
Please, unused condoms only. We don't want any evidence...

A LIKE REPLY
3 minutes ago in reply to Los_Pepes F
------------

The shocking part is the person who posted that is a woman!!! wow ...

103 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:40:08pm

Well Sandra, you're suffering the wingnut shitstorm. I'm sorry it's happening, but I hope you stick to your guns. Fuck the haters.

104 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:41:50pm

re: #88 jaunte

Contraception is huge.

Quit bragging. Your lady friends tell me otherwise.

105 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:41:53pm

re: #100 Gus

Kirk Cameron: "Marriage is almost as old as dirt, and it was defined in the garden between Adam and Eve. One man, one woman for life till death do you part."

"Then, in the generations after Adam and Eve, there's a lot of incest, which was apparently okay."

106 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:42:20pm

re: #100 Gus

Breaking: Kirk Cameron Doesn't Like Gays: VIDEO |Gay News|Gay Blog Towleroad

Fundamentalist.

Sure, the banana expert really knows what's up with nature.

107 Lidane  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:42:21pm

re: #100 Gus

Breaking: Kirk Cameron Doesn't Like Gays: VIDEO |Gay News|Gay Blog Towleroad

Fundamentalist.

Kirk Cameron is an idiot. He got a co-star on Growing Pains fired because she'd been in Playboy and was such a prude and an overly moralistic douche in trying to scrub scripts on the show that Alan Thicke had to step in and tell him that maybe more explicitly Christian stuff would be to his tastes, since Growing Pains was barely offensive at all.

108 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:43:04pm

re: #105 jaunte

Kirk Cameron: "Marriage is almost as old as dirt, and it was defined in the garden between Adam and Eve. One man, one woman for life till death do you part."

"Then, in the generations after Adam and Eve, there's a lot of incest, which was apparently okay."

Yeah well, if they couldn't have sex with their sisters, then who else were they supposed to have sex with? APES??

109 Lidane  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:43:47pm

re: #102 ElCapitanAmerica

The shocking part is the person who posted that is a woman!!! wow ...

Slut shaming is an equal opportunity past-time for some people. Even other women can be misogynists.

110 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:44:10pm

re: #107 Lidane

Kirk Cameron is an idiot. He got a co-star on Growing Pains fired because she'd been in Playboy and was such a prude and an overly moralistic douche in trying to scrub scripts on the show that Alan Thicke had to step in and tell him that maybe more explicitly Christian stuff would be to his tastes, since Growing Pains was barely offensive at all.

This screenshot captures that essence so well.

111 dragonath  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:44:40pm

Has anyone seen the latest NBC polls? They have Obama up by double digits in Virginia and Ohio. I don't know if they're huge outliers, or some kind of indication that this issue finally woke people up.

112 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:44:53pm

re: #107 Lidane

Kirk Cameron is an idiot. He got a co-star on Growing Pains fired because she'd been in Playboy and was such a prude and an overly moralistic douche in trying to scrub scripts on the show that Alan Thicke had to step in and tell him that maybe more explicitly Christian stuff would be to his tastes, since Growing Pains was barely offensive at all.

It's amazing who gets a platform in our culture. So many smart, intelligent people out there. Instead we have to be exposed to ignorant dolts like Kirk Cameron and listen to his useless and archaic opinions. He wasn't even a good actor. Growing Pains? Seriously? Kirk Cameron? Of course he's "smart" enough for the RWNJs.

113 Mocking Jay  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:45:18pm

re: #110 Interesting Times

Wow, Piers is really pulling in the big gets, huh?

114 freetoken  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:45:37pm

re: #100 Gus

Breaking: Kirk Cameron Doesn't Like Gays: VIDEO |Gay News|Gay Blog Towleroad

Fundamentalist.

On the issue of marriage equality Cameron remarked, “Marriage was defined by God a long time ago. Marriage is almost as old as dirt, and it was defined in the garden between Adam and Eve — one man, one woman for life till death do you part. So I would never attempt to try to redefine marriage. And I don’t think anyone else should either. So do I support the idea of gay marriage? No, I don’t.”

Just another example why the scientific evidence against a literal one man and one woman begetting all humans, starting but a few thousand years ago, being well proven by now is extremely bothersome to the fundamentalists.

115 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:45:53pm

Pamela Geller: Housewives of Johnny Walker

116 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:46:57pm

re: #115 windupbird is in the gravity well

Absolut Hater.

117 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:47:34pm

re: #105 jaunte

I haz ribs. I can haz brides?

118 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:47:44pm

All I can say to Pamela on this is every scintilla on attention paid to her is one too many. Not to be taken as dissing the thread, just because it is a call out against hate speech. But past that, anyone going for this needs a serious gut check. Brain scan. Whatever might illuminate the problem.

119 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:48:13pm

re: #114 freetoken

Just another example why the scientific evidence against a literal one man and one woman begetting all humans, starting but a few thousand years ago, being well proven by now is extremely bothersome to the fundamentalists.

Yep. See! God done it! God "made" marriage. Sure "he" did. This is another one of my arguments. Intelligent design goes beyond evolution. To say that "God created marriage" is another form of intelligent design.

120 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:48:48pm

re: #110 Interesting Times

It looks like he is doing something....else.

121 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:50:05pm

re: #112 Gus

It's amazing who gets a platform in our culture. So many smart, intelligent people out there. Instead we have to be exposed to ignorant dolts like Kirk Cameron and listen to his useless and archaic opinions. He wasn't even a good actor. Growing Pains? Seriously? Kirk Cameron? Of course he's "smart" enough for the RWNJs.

smart intelligent people who have good safe jobs and don't want to be media personalities


Kirk Cameron is an actor, therefore his personality is dialed into a "look at me all the time" need, he'll always find a way to get the attention he wants

And that way I guess is neanderthal christianity for dumb hausfraus!

Honestly, it's probably the easiest money and fame he's ever seen, he doesn't need to work, he just babbles word salad hate from the good book on TV and radio to idiots in idiot america, and is celebrated for it


beats working for a living I guess, fortune tellers make a killing nowadays me oh my

122 BongCrodny  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:50:10pm

"Show me a fat, ugly dude. That's where I see dollars." -- Comic Book Men.

Well, fuck.

123 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:50:11pm

re: #119 Gus

It's also a claim that makes it easy to point out that conservative leaders like Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh have no respect for God's plan.

124 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:51:07pm

re: #112 Gus

It's amazing who gets a platform in our culture. So many smart, intelligent people out there. Instead we have to be exposed to ignorant dolts like Kirk Cameron and listen to his useless and archaic opinions. He wasn't even a good actor. Growing Pains? Seriously? Kirk Cameron? Of course he's "smart" enough for the RWNJs.

basically, he went out and got the platform, that's why he has it

125 austin_blue  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:51:21pm

re: #118 Daniel Ballard

All I can say to Pamela on this is every scintilla on attention paid to her is one too many. Not to be taken as dissing the thread, just because it is a call out against hate speech. But past that, anyone going for this needs a serious gut check. Brain scan. Whatever might illuminate the problem.

But it *is* dissing the thread. That is surely your point. I won't downding you, but Pammie jumped the shark, to say the least. Her post is just full of lies.

126 freetoken  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:51:56pm

re: #119 Gus

To say that "God created marriage" is another form of intelligent design.

And the cause and effect relationship is this: fundamentalist American Christians wish for "God created marriage" (and "God said this or that") and thus there was "intelligent design".

That is, the desire for the social order to be what they want is the motivating factor for coming up with schemes such as "intelligent design".

127 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:53:16pm

re: #86 ElCapitanAmerica

From breitbart.com ... on an unrelated article (about Andrew's last column ...)
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

---
LOS_PEPES
I really have great sympathy for Ms. Fluke and so in order to help her out I want to urge everyone to place at least one (unused) condom in an envelope and send to her at:

Sandra Fluke C/O
[address redacted]

Maybe if enough of us respond she can make it through at least the next few months.

A LIKE REPLY
---

You just know that someone is going to load said envelope with talcum powder as well. And then be surprised when they end up getting a visit from concerned law enforcement personnel.

128 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:54:16pm

When I think Pamz couldn't go any deeper in the hole, she does.

Extremely vile.

129 BongCrodny  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:55:09pm

re: #118 Daniel Ballard

All I can say to Pamela on this is every scintilla on attention paid to her is one too many. Not to be taken as dissing the thread, just because it is a call out against hate speech. But past that, anyone going for this needs a serious gut check. Brain scan. Whatever might illuminate the problem.

So, you think if people ignored what Limbaugh said he would have apologized?

130 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:55:43pm

re: #125 austin_blue

But it *is* dissing the thread. That is surely your point. I won't downing you, but Pammie jumped the shark, to say the least. Her post is just full of lies.

There's no sharks on the internet, Alex Jones jumped the entire pacific rim years ago, and he's making a fortune, Pt Barnum's spirit is in the packets

Pamela Geller can go right up to advocating Sandra Fluke be stoned in the town square, and her readership will love her for it

131 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:55:53pm

re: #126 freetoken

They clearly have taken the following to heart, and very much wish to implement it...

“Give me just one generation of youth, and I'll transform the whole world.”
― Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

132 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:56:22pm

re: #114 freetoken

Just another example why the scientific evidence against a literal one man and one woman begetting all humans, starting but a few thousand years ago, being well proven by now is extremely bothersome to the fundamentalists.

I don't see Kirk beating the bushes much about outlawing divorce. You know, the "til death do you part" bit. Maybe he can ask The GREAT AND POWERFUL RUSH about that.
//

133 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:56:57pm

re: #128 Kronocide

When I think Pamz couldn't go any deeper in the hole, she does.

Extremely vile.

it can always get worse, always

The internet is full of a million wannabe father coughlins

134 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:57:15pm

re: #130 windupbird is in the gravity well

There's no sharks on the internet, Alex Jones jumped the entire pacific rim years ago, and he's making a fortune, Pt Barnum's spirit is in the packets

Pamela Geller can go right up to advocating Sandra Fluke be stoned in the town square, and her readership will love her for it

I'm officially a WUB groupie now. You should write more.

135 freetoken  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:57:35pm

re: #132 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I don't see Kirk beating the bushes much about outlawing divorce. You know, the "til death do you part" bit. Maybe he can ask The GREAT AND POWERFUL RUSH about that.
//

Divorce... and whore-mongering... and drug use... and not keeping the Sabbath... and....

136 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:59:09pm

God created marriage between a man and a woman: subjective.

Marriage can be between a man and a woman; a woman and a woman; a man and a man: objective.

137 Digital Display  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:59:11pm

re: #103 Slumbering Behemoth

Well Sandra, you're suffering the wingnut shitstorm. I'm sorry it's happening, but I hope you stick to your guns. Fuck the haters.

I see big things for that young lady..3 to 1 she works for a big Time Washington DC Law firm in two years..She is the most known young aspiring lawyer in the world this week and the arrow meant to slay her (slut) Only made her bullet proof..She has a bright future..
2 to 1 in 4 years she will be a assistant AG in the DOJ advocating for some group in the name of America and justice..
I wish her the best

138 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:01:10pm

re: #129 BongCrodny

So, you think if people ignored what Limbaugh said he would have apologized?

Oh no not at all. He bowed slightly to the only pressure he respects. The wallet bruising his butt.

139 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:01:32pm

re: #15 dragonfire1981

Apparently right wingers expect all college students to be no older than 23. It's like they got their entire concept of "college students" from either a porn film or a teen sex comedy.

Isn't she a law student?

140 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:01:34pm

re: #137 HoosierHoops

I'm hoping she sues that corpulent piece of shit into oblivion.

141 freetoken  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:03:47pm

re: #136 Gus

I believe "marriage" technically isn't actually discussed with that terminology and concept until the story of Abram/Abraham, I believe. Before that there is the story of the daughters of men having sex with some mysterious beings, begetting monsters/great men, and the story of Noah and his family in which Noah is described to have a wife (but there are no details.)

And, for all the whining these folk do about "marriage" being God ordained, I wonder why they don't elaborate on the marriage laws in the rest of the Pentateuch, eh? They always seem to want to skip over those.

142 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:07:00pm

re: #125 austin_blue

But it *is* dissing the thread. That is surely your point. I won't downding you, but Pammie jumped the shark, to say the least. Her post is just full of lies.

Pamela has just hateful things to say. It's just sad how people will buy in to hate. Calling it out for what it is for the purpose of shunning it is the right thing to do.

Pammie needs to STFU

143 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:08:10pm

re: #137 HoosierHoops

The tactic of slut shaming seems to backfired for now. I give her big props for sticking to her guns so far, and to our POTUS for taking a moment of his time to encourage her.

144 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:09:23pm

re: #114 freetoken

Just another example why the scientific evidence against a literal one man and one woman begetting all humans, starting but a few thousand years ago, being well proven by now is extremely bothersome to the fundamentalists.

The rabbis say that while there may have been other couples scattered around, we are told about only one, so that no one will brag of a greater lineage than anyone else's.

The Torah's strategy, if this is indeed it, begins to break down, when confronted with people who derive not moral but biological lessons from it.

145 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:09:26pm

Catholic cardinal criticises gay marriages plan

The government's plans for gay marriage have been criticised by the most senior Roman Catholic cleric in Britain.

Cardinal Keith O'Brien, the leader of the Catholic Church in Scotland, said the plans were a "grotesque subversion of a universally accepted human right".

He said the idea of redefining marriage, which David Cameron has said he supports, would "shame the United Kingdom in the eyes of the world".

He said it was wrong to deliberately deprive a child of a mother or father...

Read the rest. He reminds me of Dinesh D'Souza and his other allies.

146 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:12:34pm

re: #145 Gus

I looked up that clown. He's somebody who is openly advocating for the splintering of Scotland from Britain. Apparently, he doesn't like the UK. He's probably a good chunk of the reason the UK and the Vatican don't see eye-to-eye. I can't imagine how sad he'll be when the Referendum likely fails in 2014.

147 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:12:57pm

I want to know this: Why do conservatives hate America?

They're framing all the questions as "We don't believe in X, so why should we be forced to pay for Y?" Why? Because we're Americans, living in a country based on the idea that if we don't all hang together, we'll hang separetly. No matter who is in power, money goes to programs and projects I don't personally benefit from or believe in, but the system works because there are other programs I do get something out of. Their whole argument attacks the basis of our government.

148 Digital Display  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:13:49pm

re: #140 ProGunLiberal

I'm hoping she sues that corpulent piece of shit into oblivion.

You know what is crazy? She was accused of being some type of advocate..
Has there been any person in the History of the United States that did not appear in front of Congress that was not advocating for something? From the Left to the Right every person has testified before Congress with their views..Freaking period. In fact if you don't have an opinion strongly held one way or the other you are not sitting in front of the Mics and cameras in a Congressional committee meeting on some topic...Rush is so dumb

149 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:14:02pm

re: #145 Gus

Catholic cardinal criticises gay marriages plan

Read the rest. He reminds me of Dinesh D'Souza and his other allies.

Meanwhile, molesting children and covering it up for decades is A-Okay.

The moral high ground only works when you're on a solid foundation.

150 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:15:29pm

Pamela Geller's audience comments:

you know what.. I hope fluke gets circumcised totally..

she supports muslims wholeheartedly..

may her clit be sliced to the root..

fuck fluke

Posted by: vangrungy | Sunday, March 04, 2012 at 10:48 PM

151 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:16:10pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

Disgusting people.

152 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:16:54pm

re: #145 Gus

Cold comfort, knowing that other "enlightened" nations are full of the same fucked up, backwards assholes as mine.

153 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:19:11pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

Pamela Geller's audience comments:

VanGrungy

154 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:19:55pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

I got a severe case of itchy fists.

155 sagehen  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:20:10pm

re: #105 jaunte

Kirk Cameron: "Marriage is almost as old as dirt, and it was defined in the garden between Adam and Eve. One man, one woman for life till death do you part."

Lilith and Eve, Vashti and Esther, Leah and Rachel, Michal and Ahinoam and Abigail and Maachah and Haggith and Abital and Eglah and Bathsheba.... gently suggest that perhaps Kirk Cameron has reading comprehension problems.

156 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:20:20pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

Pamela Geller's audience comments:

Do they wear white sheets? I really can't tell much of a difference now.

157 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:22:18pm

re: #156 Kronocide

Do they wear white sheets? I really can't tell much of a difference now.

Brown shirts, arm bands...

158 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:22:23pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

Pamela Geller's audience comments:

I. have. no. words. (well, none that can be repeated here)

Do you have a screenshot or webarchive of that? It rises to the "bring to the attention of law enforcement" category.

159 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:22:27pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

Okay, all that other stuff is just to hideous for me to comment on, but where the fuck does this come from...

she supports muslims wholeheartedly..

160 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:22:50pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

Pamela Geller's audience comments:

The irony of course being that VanIdiot sounds like a Jihadist fundie.

161 ozbloke  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:22:53pm

re: #146 ProGunLiberal

I looked up that clown. He's somebody who is openly advocating for the splintering of Scotland from Britain. Apparently, he doesn't like the UK. He's probably a good chunk of the reason the UK and the Vatican don't see eye-to-eye. I can't imagine how sad he'll be when the Referendum likely fails in 2014.

Gday ProGunLiberal,
I might be missing something here, but what is the issue with people having the view that Scotland should be separated from England.
Its not like he was the first to think of it?

162 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:23:26pm

re: #159 Slumbering Behemoth

Okay, all that other stuff is just to hideous for me to comment on, but where the fuck does this come from...

Someone's ass.

163 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:24:40pm

re: #161 ozbloke

Gday ProGunLiberal,
I might be missing something here, but what is the issue with people having the view that Scotland should be separated from England.
Its not like he was the first to think of it?

It has been in the past and probably will be again.

164 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:24:45pm

re: #157 Kragar

Brown shirts, arm bands...

All those comparisons are totally valid: white sheets, brown shirts, even Taliban turbans (their favorite enemy).

The Circle of Evil continues.

165 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:24:54pm

re: #161 ozbloke

I think it was just the way he said it that bothered me so much. There was slimy factor to the way he said it.

However, I don't expect Scotland to pop off. There are too many factors against it. Further Devolution will occur though.

166 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:24:57pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

Pamela Geller's audience comments:

How did Muslims get into this?

(I know--it's Pam Geller's site...)

167 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:25:06pm

"From Hell's Heart I Stab At Thee...Alinskyyy..yyyy..yyy..yy!!!!!"

168 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:25:47pm

re: #166 SanFranciscoZionist

How did Muslims get into this?

(I know--it's Pam Geller's site...)

See, first you get the secular atheists...

169 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:26:05pm

I hope Sandra Fluke has a bodyguard, man

170 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:26:07pm

re: #155 sagehen

Lilith and Eve, Vashti and Esther, Leah and Rachel, Michal and Ahinoam and Abigail and Maachah and Haggith and Abital and Eglah and Bathsheba... gently suggest that perhaps Kirk Cameron has reading comprehension problems.

Hannah and Peninah, Adah and Zillah...

171 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:27:08pm

re: #170 SanFranciscoZionist

Hannah and Peninah, Adah and Zillah...

Bill and Ted.

172 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:27:39pm

re: #155 sagehen

gently suggest that perhaps Kirk Cameron has reading comprehension problems.

We're talking about a man who is confused by bananas. Reading comprehension is the least of his problems.

173 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:29:39pm

These people are nuts.

174 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:30:50pm

re: #167 jaunte

"From Hell's Heart I Stab At Thee...Alinskyyy..yyy..yyy..yy!!!"

Obama-Alinsky Release 2008.2

Boring! Red meat for their dumb readership however. Revenue generator.

175 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:31:19pm

re: #171 b_sharp

Bill and Ted.

Jim and Tammy Fay...

176 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:31:23pm

When people on the internet start calling for you to have your genitals mutilated, time to arm yourself, mace, stun gun, .44, whatever

because there's always someone out there who wants to be a hero to the brownshirts, watch out

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:31:54pm

re: #171 b_sharp

Bill and Ted.

David and Jonathan.

178 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:31:55pm

re: #173 Gus

These people are nuts.

There you go, bringing genitalia into the debate again.

179 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:31:58pm

re: #166 SanFranciscoZionist

How did Muslims get into this?

(I know--it's Pam Geller's site...)

Just like how they got into everything else. They stole the election discussion.

180 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:32:22pm

re: #176 windupbird is in the gravity well

Maybe it is just me, but I would go with a .44

181 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:33:23pm

re: #171 b_sharp

Bill and Ted.

Bogus!

/

182 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:33:29pm

Breaking news! Obama went to a play about Alinsky 14 years ago!

Derp.

Fail.

183 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:34:15pm
184 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:34:15pm

Also apparently Obama calling Sandra Fluke means OMG HE HATES TOE TROOPEZ CALL TEH FAMILEES OF TEH DED SOLDYERZ!!11

that's the new twitter RW meme, zany stuff, I wonder what it's like to be that fucking stupid, it must be bizarre

185 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:35:00pm

re: #154 Resistance is futile. You'll be discombobulated.

I'm feeling a case of mistlefoot myself. But I generally try to not let the pond scum bother me much.

Still, that's pretty fucking sickening.

186 Sophia77  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:35:28pm

The comments on Ms. Geller's thread are appalling.

It reminds me of how mobs attacked the Jews in Germany, or the stoning of the widow in Zorba the Greek.

Evil actions begin with evil words. The treatment of women in certain parts of the world begins with the thought that we have to be "controlled," that simply being human is "bad," and we wind up with FGM and acid in the face.

187 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:37:02pm

And just think, all this started over really minor health care policy

Imagine what these people will do when Obama wins in November

188 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:37:40pm

re: #178 Kragar

In his case it's not such a big deal.

/or so his lady friends tell me

189 Sophia77  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:37:51pm

PS, what happened to Ms. Geller to make her so full of hate? I used to check in on her column periodically; somewhere along the line she really lost it.

The attack on Sandra Fluke is bizarre and horrible.

People say, sticks and stones, and words cannot hurt - but words do hurt. Words can cut like a lash, destroy a reputation, make a perfectly lovely, innocent woman feel ashamed and dirty.

This is hateful and wrong.

Pamela, stop it. Please apologize.

190 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:38:26pm

re: #187 windupbird is in the gravity well

And just think, all this started over really minor health care policy

Imagine what these people will do when Obama wins in November

I think it will go a little something like this...

Youtube Video
191 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:38:29pm

re: #189 Sophia77

PS, what happened to Ms. Geller to make her so full of hate? I used to check in on her column periodically; somewhere along the line she really lost it.

She figured out she could make more money by acting that way, lots of ads being bought on her site

192 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:38:38pm

re: #190 Kragar

YES

193 Digital Display  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:38:56pm

re: #173 Gus

These people are nuts.

No..They are smart people...I really think since 2008 a lot of Conservatives became poisoned in their thoughts...Remember back then they were just jumping off the far right wing cliff? We watched it in real time on LGF.
You know 2008 could have been a real time of reform for the GOP with the election loss..What did we see? A positive way forward or ugliness America hasn't seen for years? They Rebounded bad on in my opinion..Nope they are not nuts..They have been poisoned

194 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:40:59pm

re: #190 Kragar

this is Fox News on their screens on election day

Youtube Video
195 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:42:30pm

re: #186 Sophia77

It makes me wonder, as loud as I assume the folks over at that blog decry the practice of FGM, and it should decried in the strongest and loudest possible terms, it makes me wonder how a comment like that would be received over there. Are other participators comfortable with that?

196 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:43:43pm

re: #194 windupbird is in the gravity well

this is Fox News on their screens on election day

[Embedded content]

And the Fox nation commenters

Youtube Video
197 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:44:19pm

PS

Event Horizon was an under-rated movie.

198 freetoken  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:44:42pm

re: #193 HoosierHoops

You know 2008 could have been a real time of reform for the GOP with the election loss..What did we see? A positive way forward or ugliness America hasn't seen for years? They Rebounded bad on in my opinion..Nope they are not nuts..They have been poisoned

The election of Barrack Obama to President turns out to have heralded a great event: the venting of 150 years of American (yes, since the Civil War) social angst that had been actively suppressed (for good reasons) over our cultural composition.

For far too long our society pretended to be "over" long held divides in race and class. The pretense has turned out to be too heavy to maintain.

The reality of American society is that we still struggle with looking at each other equally.

199 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:45:04pm

OT. I would like to know why URL shorteners are becoming so popular, except with spammers.

I get a lot of spam that uses goo.gl (even though Google claims to filter it). All I see is a way to hide the real URL until after it is clicked and with copy/paste, typing a dozen characters or less is no savings in most cases anyway.

What's the big deal?

200 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:45:28pm

re: #194 windupbird is in the gravity well

Genre mixing horror and sci-fi is bad ass when it produces stuff like that. One of my all time favorites.

201 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:45:55pm

re: #193 HoosierHoops

No..They are smart people...I really think since 2008 a lot of Conservatives became poisoned in their thoughts...Remember back then they were just jumping off the far right wing cliff? We watched it in real time on LGF.
You know 2008 could have been a real time of reform for the GOP with the election loss..What did we see? A positive way forward or ugliness America hasn't seen for years? They Rebounded bad on in my opinion..Nope they are not nuts..They have been poisoned

If they're poisoned then that was self-induced poisoning. That itself implies a poisoning of the mind or a state of nuttiness. People can be smart and nuts at the same time. They drove themselves crazy. They drove themselves over that cliff. I chose not to follow that path and am better for it. A state of nuttiness has a cure however and it could be attained through therapy which is what many of these people need. 911 caused a great deal of PTSD in people. PTSD also causes changes in brain chemistry. Houston, we've got a problem and it's really beginning to look like a mental illness pandemic of sorts.

202 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:48:52pm

re: #158 Interesting Times

Do you have a screenshot or webarchive of that? It rises to the "bring to the attention of law enforcement" category.

Just made a screenshot of it myself. At the time I did, no one was condemning the comment.

203 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:51:13pm

re: #200 Slumbering Behemoth

Genre mixing horror and sci-fi is bad ass when it produces stuff like that. One of my all time favorites.

re: #197 Kragar

you guys have seen Sunshine, right?

204 Digital Display  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:51:56pm

re: #201 Gus

Hey you!
I think the political well of the GOP is poisoned and yes they are to blame Gus..Each party has a choice in front of them after a lose..Reform and grow or slide backwards...nothing stays the same..

205 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:53:11pm

re: #203 windupbird is in the gravity well

re: #197 Kragar

you guys have seen Sunshine, right?

Nope. Event Horizon is considered by a lot of 40k fans to be a Warhammer movie.

206 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:56:31pm

re: #203 windupbird is in the gravity well

you guys have seen Sunshine, right?

No. Gotta link?

re: #205 Kragar

Nope. Event Horizon is considered by a lot of 40k fans to be a Warhammer movie.

Heh. Nerdy, wishful thinking.

/though I can kinda see why

207 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:58:22pm

re: #204 HoosierHoops

Hey you!
I think the political well of the GOP is poisoned and yes they are to blame Gus..Each party has a choice in front of them after a lose..Reform and grow or slide backwards...nothing stays the same..

I don't know if it will happen in my lifetime at this point. But after seeing this lunacy I would welcome a return to normal conservatism. Right know I really don't even know what this is. It's like a madhouse of right-wing reactionaries.

208 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:58:32pm

re: #180 ProGunLiberal

Maybe it is just me, but I would go with a .44

Nah, shot placement is key. 9mm. RA9TA works wonderfully... /// :)

209 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:00:32pm

re: #176 windupbird is in the gravity well

When people on the internet start calling for you to have your genitals mutilated, time to arm yourself, mace, stun gun, .44, whatever

because there's always someone out there who wants to be a hero to the brownshirts, watch out

Yes, times 10.

210 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:02:50pm

I was just discussing this with my wife. She declared "Pam isn't a woman anymore."

I replied, "No. She's an ambulatory carnivorous fungus."

Then she spit up her soda.

211 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:03:20pm

re: #197 Kragar

PS

Event Horizon was an under-rated movie.

My mother took me to see that when I was 17. She is usually very against gore and violence. She has walked out on several movies that were much milder ( Batman 1989, for example ). So when it was over I thought she would chew me out over seeing it. Instead she thought it was a good movie...

212 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:15:42pm

Charles Johnson,

Pamela Geller and her supporters have such class. NOT! Seriously, if people didn't think she was crass before, a lot more of them will now.

213 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:27:42pm

Charles Johnson,

Speaking of your old "friends" Spencer and Geller, here's a story that mentions them that I tipped off Loon Watch to, awhile back and they decided to run with it.

Pennsylvania “Sharia Court”: Loons Jump the Gun AGAIN on Ginned up “Legal Jihad”
[Link: www.loonwatch.com...]

Bet you're really glad you no longer support them and their cause.

214 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:36:02pm

re: #206 Slumbering Behemoth

No. Gotta link?

re: #205 Kragar

Heh. Nerdy, wishful thinking.

/though I can kinda see why

Sunshine

Youtube Video


it's Danny Boyle, so if you liked his other stuff you'll dig it

215 labman57  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:03:27pm

Most conservatives are certainly smart enough to realize that posting mean-spirited and petty racist ... or homophobic ... or misogynistic comments online will eventually come back to bite them in the ass. (Yes, I am giving them the benefit of the doubt regarding their innate intelligence ...)

Alas, they cannot help themselves -- uttering and posting base, bellicose blather is in their nature.

216 net observer  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:50:11pm

So many of the comments here are so appropriate and so well-said, I'm almost afraid to add anything. But indeed, it is fascinating to hear these self-anointed purveyors of traditional values. Especially when they can hide their real identities in cyberspace.

Mama always said there's only one way to judge a person's character. "How do they act when no one is looking?"

My politics lean very libertarian. Ergo, I'm not likely to agree with Ms. Fluke on many things. Having said that, I hope this young lady writes a best-seller, gets her own hit talk show and becomes the watershed symbol of an Obama 40-state landslide.

217 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:54:32pm

re: #216 net observer

Welcome, hatchling.

What is it in Ms. Fluke's views (as far as we know them) that conflicts with libertarianism?

218 net observer  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 4:29:18pm

re: #217 wrenchwench

I had to look up "hatchling" first =) In any event, an excellent question.

I saw Fluke's youtube clip from "The View" this morning. I honestly don't know more than that. But she certainly comes across as a fledgling "Rachel Maddow" of sorts.

I'm only basing that on her vibe (if I can say that) and her style of language. i.e., she took the opportunity to poke at other right-wing talk radio hosts besides Limbaugh. She gave a shout-out to Media Matters. She sounded very aware of the enormity of the situation politically and very clear about her beliefs.

She absolutely did not come across like a damsel in distress or a deer in the headlights. She seemed "ready" for this.

So I just kinda jumped to the conclusion that she wouldn't be a fan of the Cato Institute =)

219 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 4:40:09pm

re: #218 net observer

I had to look up "hatchling" first =) In any event, an excellent question.

I saw Fluke's youtube clip from "The View" this morning. I honestly don't know more than that. But she certainly comes across as a fledgling "Rachel Maddow" of sorts.

I'm only basing that on her vibe (if I can say that) and her style of language. i.e., she took the opportunity to poke at other right-wing talk radio hosts besides Limbaugh. She gave a shout-out to Media Matters. She sounded very aware of the enormity of the situation politically and very clear about her beliefs.

She absolutely did not come across like a damsel in distress or a deer in the headlights. She seemed "ready" for this.

So I just kinda jumped to the conclusion that she wouldn't be a fan of the Cato Institute =)

You are likely correct.

I'm not a fan of the Cato Institute either. Maybe I have an idealized view of what libertarians "ought" to believe, but the Cato Institute seems more corporatist than anything else.

I'm always shocked when "libertarians" like Ron and Rand Paul come out in favor of government interference in women's lives.

220 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:31:22pm

re: #218 net observer

But she certainly comes across as a fledgling "Rachel Maddow" of sorts.

I'm only basing that on her vibe (if I can say that) and her style of language. i.e., she took the opportunity to poke at other right-wing talk radio hosts besides Limbaugh. She gave a shout-out to Media Matters. She sounded very aware of the enormity of the situation politically and very clear about her beliefs.

She absolutely did not come across like a damsel in distress or a deer in the headlights. She seemed "ready" for this.

Uh.

Are women supposed to be "damsels in distress" when under pressure? Or "deer in the headlights?"

If you think so, I have some news for you.

221 net observer  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:48:27pm

re: #220 Charles Johnson

Charles,

You said, "Uh" to my comments. To yours, I must say, "Huh?"

[Are women supposed to be "damsels in distress" when under pressure?]

I don't think any individual is "supposed to be" anything, pressure or no pressure. To be honest, I'm not quite sure what prompted your response.

But maybe I can put it this way: With the exception of public figures, I don't expect most people to come across as smoothly as Ms. Fluke did on "The View", especially considering the circumstances.

All the news media know her by name. Even the president gave her a call. Hefty advertising dollars have shifted course because the biggest name in talk picked a fight with her. Now, thousands of "ditto-heads" are raking her over the coals, while thousands of passionate supporters are cheering her on all the way.

If I were in Fluke's shoes right now, on a good day, my stomach would be churning constantly. But she's acting like this is all a day at the office.

I won't say "she's a fluke". (I don't wanna get banned from the series =)) But let's just say I'm impressed. Are you saying that I shouldn't be? Or that she's really not all that special?

222 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 3:55:17am

re: #216 net observer

Libertarian of the modern, confederate version, or something more sensible, like a Georgist?


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