Everything Is Different Now - the Breitbartocalypse Is Upon Us

And the universe cried out in terror
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Before his death, Andrew Breitbart had been promising a true BOMBSHELL revelation about Barack Obama, a STUNNER that would finally put an end to Obama’s reign of terror. Some whispered darkly that this may have been the reason for Breitbart’s sudden mysterious collapse.

Tonight, Breitbart’s fearless heirs have unleashed the BREITBARTOCALYPSE! And Barack Hussein Obama can only cower in terror.

The earth-shattering scoop that will blow this baby wide open can now be revealed: 14 years ago Obama attended a play in Chicago.

Yes! A play!

The subject of this nefarious play: the dreaded Saul Alinsky.

It’s over, Barack. You should just resign right now like Sarah Palin; you’ll never recover from this blow. It was fun while it lasted.

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659 comments

1 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:45:38pm
2 freetoken  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:45:43pm

Bwahaha..hahahah... hahaha....

3 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:46:48pm

what is it i dont even

4 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:47:27pm

My wife's reaction on hearing this: "So what?"

These poor loons are really desperate to find something that makes the real world match their fever dreams. Pretty sad.

5 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:48:26pm

"That's it man, game over man, game over! What the fuck are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?"

6 SpaceJesus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:48:33pm

lol

7 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:49:03pm

So this dreck is why Obama assassinated Breitbart with a special CIA gun? // too soon?

8 SpaceJesus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:49:31pm

i watched the passion of the christ in theaters, i guess that makes me either mel gibson or jesus or both

9 RanchTooth  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:50:30pm

Don't forget the whole "Baraka" controversy! That was his seekrut socialist name back in the day!

10 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:51:09pm

re: #7 Resistance is futile. You'll be discombobulated.

It was all for nothing! ///

11 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:51:29pm

OK. I fess up. I once saw a movie with Sean Penn. My political career is ruined.

12 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:51:37pm

Unless the BIG sites can find a cool new figurehead for the sycophants to hang out with, I predict some serious shrinkage.

13 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:52:07pm

re: #11 Gus

OK. I fess up. I once saw a movie with Sean Penn. My political career is ruined.

You saw a Sean Penn movie? Dear lord, man, how do you live with yourself?!

///

14 erik_t  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:52:36pm

Hint to the right: if I have to head to wikipedia to find out who the fuck I'm supposed to be horrified by, it's probably not a terribly damaging attack.

15 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:53:23pm

• Big Hollywood
• Big Government
• Big Journalism
• Big Peace

Big Fail

16 BongCrodny  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:54:17pm

Even bigger scoop:

The play was published by Samuel French.

Take that, lefties!

17 SpaceJesus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:54:28pm

Way to go out with a boom Andrew. I don't know how the left will ever recover from this masterstroke

18 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:54:31pm

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?!?!?!?!

19 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:54:37pm

The local Fox Radio affiliate was discussing this last night. The host of "Coast to Coast" had an extended conversation with Alex Jones on the 'suspicious timing' of Breitbart's death with relation to this 'revelation'.

I've always disliked the fantastical crap spewed on CtC, which I have occasionally listened to since the early 90's, as well as the fantastical crap spewed by AJ, who I became aware of in the mid to late 90's.

20 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:54:43pm

re: #16 BongCrodny

Sacre bleu!

21 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:55:02pm

re: #16 BongCrodny

Even bigger scoop:

The play was published by Samuel French.

Take that, lefties!

French?! WTF Gal darn it...

FREEDOM FRIES!

22 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:55:34pm

Big Prisonplanet

23 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:56:03pm

That's what they think Obama killed Breitbart to prevent coming out?

I suppose it makes sense. After all Obama killed Q-daffy so nobody would know they both secretly like(d) an unpopular flavor of ice cream.

24 SpaceJesus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:56:27pm

Big Plays Nobody Cares About

25 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:56:47pm

re: #18 Resistance is futile. You'll be discombobulated.

26 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:56:54pm

I've seen the same play, for real.

There was only one other person there, a skinny black guy with big ears.*

*(not for real)

27 SpaceJesus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:57:13pm

ooo walking dead is on

28 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:58:29pm

re: #27 SpaceJesus

ooo walking dead is on

Saw it earlier. Serous hard-core, and I don't mean porn.

29 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:58:50pm

Big Derp
Big Wingnut

30 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:59:40pm

Gamechanger. We will mark political time henceforward from the day of this searing, unforgettable revelation.

31 SpaceJesus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:00:05pm

re: #28 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

NO SPOILERS

32 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:01:08pm

And Alinsky really wasn't that much of a radical leftist either. In fact he was also anti-Communist. Not in the right wing sense. But he despised all forms of tyrannical governments. So once again. They're lying.

33 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:01:49pm

re: #22 Gus

Then against my better judgment I went walking out that door I smiled at one person then I nodded to three more. One man asked me for a dollar, I asked him, "What's it for?" He said, "I have seen them", I said, "Okay, it's yours"

Get out! Eject! Escape from the Prison Planet!!!

34 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:02:43pm

Hey, Andrew, I'm saddened by your early demise, and the fact that you left a wife and four kids behind. That being said, what you did to Shirley Sherrod was despicable, and your new "documentary" is bull droppings. I Hope God gives you a fair trial.

35 BongCrodny  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:04:04pm

Amazon has it listed as their #1,948,049th best-selling book.

Clearly, some folks on the left aren't picking up the slack.

36 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:04:40pm

Even now, the wingnuts are no doubt looking at this and going "Wait, I thought this was supposed to ruin his presidency, not make people run to Wikipedia!"

37 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:05:33pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

Even now, the wingnuts are no doubt looking at this and going "Wait, I thought this was supposed to ruin his presidency, not make people run to Wikipedia!"

What about Obama's birth certificate!?

38 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:06:05pm

So when do they bring up Bill Ayers again?

39 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:06:28pm

"Big" comments:

myavast1
It's sad when private citizens like Andrew Breitbart and his team have to do what the Obama-controlled media refuses to do.
The vetting begins today! It's time for zombified America to wake up from its lethargy.

LeftyBegone
Heart races and tear ducts prickle at seeing Breitbart's soul living on. Like he's back from the dead. It's poetic justice. Breitbart isn't leaving anytime soon.

Calm
I'm sick and tired of supporting jews, only to see them vote in liberal democrats. You reap what you sow. Now, deal with it.

AndrewSlater
I don't understand the timing. Why begin the vetting THIS EARLY, allowing the facts to become stale, Obama's handlers to create smoke and defenses, and memories to fade about it? Did you discuss "strategy"?

SaveTheRepublic1791
Hold on people this is only part 1. We already know most of this stuff from the 2008 election thanks to Hannity mostly.
I am excited to see what comes in the next few days.

40 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:06:49pm

I've been having a very emotional and difficult day.

This post made me laugh like a hyena.

Thank you, Charles.

41 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:07:21pm

re: #37 Gus

Manchurian Candidate, by way of Kenya.

/but when you consider the other fantasies such people devote their lives to, I guess such garbage is not much of a leap for them.

42 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:07:25pm

re: #39 jaunte

"Big" comments:

Vetting? LOL This is too much.

43 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:07:25pm

re: #39 jaunte

"Big" comments:

"I'm totally excited about this news...even though it doesn't really mean anything...but it surely will lead to some good things!!"

44 mikec6666  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:07:38pm

They've confused verbose writing for intellectual writing. A lot of garbage, with no core idea.

45 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:07:56pm

re: #40 SanFranciscoZionist

Are you okay? I know I can be a bit of a brute on here, but I hope things are going okay for everyone.

46 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:08:26pm

Hold on people this is only part 1. We already know most of this stuff from the 2008 election thanks to Hannity mostly.

Derp.

47 makeitstop  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:08:32pm

That's the big scoop? That's it??

It makes me wonder if Breitbart didn't actually die of embarrassment.
/

48 freetoken  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:08:53pm

re: #44 mikec6666

I wonder about people who fail to recognize garbage when it is put in front of them.

Then again, this article might contain a clue or two:

Afraid of Your Child's Math Textbook? You Should Be.

49 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:09:39pm

re: #31 SpaceJesus

NO SPOILERS

-Herschel and Dale are outed as gay lovers.
-Fidel Castro arrives with relief supplies but the group mistakes him for a walker and shoots him. They keep the supplies.
-Glenn shoots a water-logged walker who is eventually recognized as the former Osama bin Laden. The group speculates about whether they will still be eligible for a reward if the government ever gets up and running again.

50 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:09:53pm
51 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:10:06pm

While sounding nothing like a clone, I really do think Clutch has captured the spirit of what Black Sabbath once was.

52 BongCrodny  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:11:15pm

re: #49 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

-Herschel and Dale are outed as gay lovers.
-Fidel Castro arrives with relief supplies but the group mistakes him for a walker and shoots him. They keep the supplies.
-Glenn shoots a water-logged walker who is eventually recognized as the former Osama bin Laden. The group speculates about whether they will still be eligible for a reward if the government ever gets up and running again.

You forgot the part about the chorus line.

53 ElCapitanAmerica  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:11:32pm

OK, let's be a bit fair. The "revelation" here is not that he attended the play, but that he was a featured speaker on some panel after the play.

The article doesn't say what then Senator Obama said, but they imply it must have been something positive towards Alinksy. However, that's really not much ... without some incendiary quote, it really doesn't mean anything.

I guess they figure, being featured as a speaker on such a play is scandalous, not just attending ... It does say "part 1" so maybe they have something they believe is more substantial?

54 EdDantes  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:11:44pm

That's it? Obama hearts OlinskY?

55 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:12:23pm

re: #53 ElCapitanAmerica

OK, let's be a bit fair. The "revelation" here is not that he attended the play, but that he was a featured speaker on some panel after the play.

The article doesn't say what then Senator Obama said, but they imply it must have been something positive towards Alinksy. However, that's really not much ... without some incendiary quote, it really doesn't mean anything.

I guess they figure, being featured as a speaker on such a play is scandalous, not just attending ... It does say "part 1" so maybe they have something they believe is more substantial?

I'll be fair too while we're at it.

Saul Alinsky was right.

56 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:12:35pm

re: #40 SanFranciscoZionist

I've been having a very emotional and difficult day.

This post made me laugh like a hyena.

Thank you, Charles.

I am so glad to see this post. I was realizing earlier today that I hadn't see your name is quire some time. That was very depressing; disturbing; to me. I hope things go better for you in the future for I am selfish and I wish to be blessed with more of your wisdom here. :)

57 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:14:01pm

re: #53 ElCapitanAmerica

"The panelists are that era's usual "progressive" suspects: Leon Despres, Monsignor Jack Egan, Studs Terkel . . ."

OMG, Studs Terkel was there? This changes everything!

58 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:14:30pm

re: #53 ElCapitanAmerica

I know - and to make it even more Breitbartocalyptic, the panel included the notorious Stalinist monster, Studs Terkel!

Aieee!

59 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:14:57pm

re: #45 ProGunLiberal

Are you okay? I know I can be a bit of a brute on here, but I hope things are going okay for everyone.

I'm OK, and thank you...it's family stuff, and it will be good...I just had to go through the rough bit today.

60 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:16:50pm

re: #40 SanFranciscoZionist

(((Hugs for SFZ)))
And many more!

61 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:17:47pm

re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist

{{{sfz}}}

62 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:17:51pm

re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist

{{SanFranciscoZionist}}

This is what I'm listening to right now.

And if someone has a problem with it, they can take it to someone who gives a damn.

63 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:17:56pm
Studs Terkel, a Pulitzer Prize-winning author whose searching interviews with ordinary Americans helped establish oral history as a serious genre, and who for decades was the voluble host of a popular radio show in Chicago, died Friday at his home there. He was 96.

His death was confirmed by Lois Baum, a friend and longtime colleague at the radio station WFMT.

In his oral histories, which he called guerrilla journalism, Mr. Terkel relied on his enthusiastic but gentle interviewing style to elicit, in rich detail, the experiences and thoughts of his fellow citizens. Over the decades, he developed a continuous narrative of great historic moments sounded by an American chorus in the native vernacular.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Aha! A self-admitted guerilla!

64 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:18:26pm

This was the "bombshell", Man Obama's toast. Next it will come out that he read parts of the Communist Manifesto.

65 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:18:34pm

re: #60 Floral Giraffe

You give her one from me. I don't want her hubby thinking something odd is going on.

66 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:19:09pm
67 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:19:16pm

re: #63 jaunte

Aha! A self-admitted guerilla!

I have Mr. Terkel's "The Good War" by Breitbartian standards I'm a Commie. I also the horror I know have a copy of Zinn's People's History of the U.S.

68 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:19:30pm

re: #65 Slumbering Behemoth

HEH! You KNOW you want to. And, yes, she's happily married.

69 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:20:41pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

This was the "bombshell", Man Obama's toast. Next it will come out that he read parts of the Communist Manifesto.

"From each according to his ability..."!? Burn the witch!

///

70 sagehen  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:21:33pm

re: #53 ElCapitanAmerica

The article doesn't say what then Senator Obama said, but they imply it must have been something positive towards Alinksy. However, that's really not much ... without some incendiary quote, it really doesn't mean anything.

I guess they figure, being featured as a speaker on such a play is scandalous, not just attending ... It does say "part 1" so maybe they have something they believe is more substantial?

He wasn't a senator then -- he was a first term state legislator, running for reelection in his South Side Chicago district.

71 philosophus invidius  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:21:41pm

Breitbart: Osama bin Laden and Saul Alinsky are two radicals that Obama tries to distance himself from.

Disgusting.

72 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:22:09pm

re: #56 William Barnett-Lewis

I am so glad to see this post. I was realizing earlier today that I hadn't see your name is quire some time. That was very depressing; disturbing; to me. I hope things go better for you in the future for I am selfish and I wish to be blessed with more of your wisdom here. :)

Thanks! Crazy busy these days.

73 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:22:14pm

re: #68 Floral Giraffe

That's why I try not to be too flirty, despite the attraction.

You on the other hand are single, no? Spatula or back-scratcher?

74 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:22:25pm

re: #71 philosophus invidius

Breitbart: Osama bin Laden and Saul Alinsky are two radicals that Obama tries to distance himself from.

Disgusting.

And his fans wonder why people like Matt Taibbi were none too charitable to him when he died.

75 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:22:31pm

re: #62 ProGunLiberal

There are moments when you truely scare me - yeah this is one of them.

What's worse is I actually watched the whole video.

Going to cost me two rosaries & a half dozen candles...

76 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:23:02pm

re: #73 Slumbering Behemoth

Just your bare hands, please?

77 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:23:05pm

re: #71 philosophus invidius

Breitbart: Osama bin Laden and Saul Alinsky are two radicals that Obama tries to distance himself from.

Disgusting.

Heh. A pretty bang up job on the former, I'd say.

78 ElCapitanAmerica  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:23:53pm

re: #70 sagehen

He wasn't a senator then -- he was a first term state legislator, running for reelection in his South Side Chicago district.

the poster says "Sen. Barack OBAMA"

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:23:56pm

re: #71 philosophus invidius

Breitbart: Osama bin Laden and Saul Alinsky are two radicals that Obama tries to distance himself from.

Disgusting.

Ordering someone shot is a pretty good way of distancing yourself from them.

80 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:24:06pm

re: #77 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. A pretty bang up job on the former, I'd say.

Heh it's so absurd that you almost want to laugh and then you realize that AB was saying that the president of the united states sympathized with the man who planned the 9-11 attacks.

81 sagehen  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:24:20pm

re: #78 ElCapitanAmerica

the poster says "Sen. Barack OBAMA"

State Senator.

82 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:24:42pm

re: #75 William Barnett-Lewis

Why would it cost you 2 rosaries and a bunch of candles?

I like metal, and I like Taylor Swift. So that makes me pleased musically. The only way it could be better is if it was TSwift and Bon Jovi, or TSwift and Nightwish.

83 philosophus invidius  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:24:48pm

Alinsky "rips" the McCarthy committee. Traitor!

84 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:25:07pm

Alinsky dares to be left wing, hang him!

85 ElCapitanAmerica  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:25:08pm

re: #81 sagehen

State Senator.

Er ... yeah. I didn't claim otherwise ...

86 ElCapitanAmerica  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:26:43pm

re: #83 philosophus invidius

Alinsky "rips" the McCarthy committee. Traitor!

That's another part I don't get. Who in the 21st century thinks McCarthyism was a good thing?!?!?!

87 BongCrodny  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:26:48pm

All roads lead to Saul Alinsky.

88 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:27:12pm

re: #76 Floral Giraffe

I'll be in my bunk

89 Decider  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:27:21pm

Wow. Maybe we should impeach Obama for this. A play!

90 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:27:52pm

re: #82 ProGunLiberal

For reference, this is Nightwish. In particular, my favorite song from them:

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:28:32pm

re: #86 ElCapitanAmerica

That's another part I don't get. Who in the 21st century thinks McCarthyism was a good thing?!?!?!

An appalling lot of people, these days. McCarthy is on the rehab list, because they hope to do what he did, but with Muslims.

92 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:29:57pm

re: #89 Decider

Wow. Maybe we should impeach Obama for this. A play!

Let's just thank the good Lord that Obama didn't act in a community theater production of "The Producers".

(Although at least one U.S. president got away with previously appearing in a Nazi uniform. :)

93 sagehen  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:30:04pm

re: #86 ElCapitanAmerica

That's another part I don't get. Who in the 21st century thinks McCarthyism was a good thing?!?!?!

Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin.

94 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:30:54pm

The McCarthy revisionism is pretty scary but we have Coulter and some others to thank for that. I remember Bachmann saying she wanted a committee to investigate anti American activity and said she suspected members of Congress to be commies. Witchhunting ala 21st century. Honestly I am not a communist but it would be kind of neat to have a communist in Congress for the debate value.

95 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:31:07pm

re: #90 ProGunLiberal

And here is another song from the same album:

Yes, that is Jazz song done by a Symphonic Metal Band

96 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:31:19pm

re: #15 Gus

• Big Hollywood
• Big Government
• Big Journalism
• Big Peace

Big Fail

Quite Concur. This story is so lame, it arrived in a wheelchair.

97 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:31:34pm

Adam Brandon, a spokesman for the conservative non-profit organization FreedomWorks, which is one of several groups involved in organizing Tea Party protests, says the group gives Alinsky's Rules for Radicals to its top leadership members. A shortened guide called Rules for Patriots is distributed to its entire network. In a January 2012 story that appeared in The Wall Street Journal, citing the organization's tactic of sending activists to town-hall meetings, Brandon explained, "his tactics when it comes to grass-roots organizing are incredibly effective." Former Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey also gives copies of Alinsky's book Rules for Radicals to Tea Party leaders.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

98 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:32:26pm

So, I went to this neat lecture on the burning of Washington today. Had no idea that neighboring Leesburg, Va hid the Declaration, Constittuion, etc from British hands. I of course knew the Dolly Madison saving the Washington portrait story..

99 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:32:52pm

re: #97 Gus

Adam Brandon, a spokesman for the conservative non-profit organization FreedomWorks, which is one of several groups involved in organizing Tea Party protests, says the group gives Alinsky's Rules for Radicals to its top leadership members. A shortened guide called Rules for Patriots is distributed to its entire network. In a January 2012 story that appeared in The Wall Street Journal, citing the organization's tactic of sending activists to town-hall meetings, Brandon explained, "his tactics when it comes to grass-roots organizing are incredibly effective." Former Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey also gives copies of Alinsky's book Rules for Radicals to Tea Party leaders.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

So Dick Armey is a sekrit Marxist aha!

100 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:32:59pm

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

Oh, now that's just mean. I don't think even I would have gone there.

101 BongCrodny  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:32:59pm

Can't wait to hear the whining when the mainstream media ignores this.

102 philosophus invidius  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:33:06pm

Obama was on a panel with someone who was on a Panel with Richard Rorty. OMG!

103 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:33:38pm

re: #97 Gus

Adam Brandon, a spokesman for the conservative non-profit organization FreedomWorks, which is one of several groups involved in organizing Tea Party protests, says the group gives Alinsky's Rules for Radicals to its top leadership members. A shortened guide called Rules for Patriots is distributed to its entire network. In a January 2012 story that appeared in The Wall Street Journal, citing the organization's tactic of sending activists to town-hall meetings, Brandon explained, "his tactics when it comes to grass-roots organizing are incredibly effective." Former Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey also gives copies of Alinsky's book Rules for Radicals to Tea Party leaders.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

So Alinsky is useful, except when Obama sees or reads anything having to do with him, because Barack Obama is Satan. Whatever.

104 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:33:40pm

6 Degrees of Alinsky.

105 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:35:00pm

re: #100 ProGunLiberal

Oh, now that's just mean. I don't think even I would have gone there.

Sometimes the stupidity level of something just gets to me. This is one of those times.

106 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:35:09pm

re: #102 philosophus invidius

Obama was on a panel with someone who was on a Panel with Richard Rorty. OMG!

But. But. He was a radical too!

Image: rorty_sup.jpg

107 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:35:30pm

re: #95 ProGunLiberal

And here is another song from the same album:

[Embedded content]Yes, that is Jazz song done by a Symphonic Metal Band

I'm currently listening to some hack born in Newark, NJ

108 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:36:02pm

Wasn't the infamous panel that Obama and Ayers allegedly served on together a panel that was funded by a rich Republican donor? I forget the man's name off the top of my head.

109 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:36:22pm

re: #104 Varek Raith

6 Degrees of Alinsky.

Any Which Way But Alinsky.

110 ElCapitanAmerica  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:36:55pm

BTW that "GUEST" comment that was removed and is the most liked one in the article?

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LOS_PEPES
I really have great sympathy for Ms. Fluke and so in order to help her out I want to urge everyone to place at least one (unused) condom in an envelope and send to her at:

Sandra Fluke C/O
[address redacted]

Maybe if enough of us respond she can make it through at least the next few months.

A LIKE REPLY
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Look, I'm glad they removed the comment, but it's telling that the comment was voted up by their readers in the first place.

111 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:37:06pm

#IAmBreitbart is attracting the wacky like june bugs to a 500watt nightlight.

112 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:37:09pm

re: #82 ProGunLiberal

I like metal, and I like Taylor Swift.

You are a weird dude, but I get it. I like Slayer, and I like Curve. Broad palates are tasty.

113 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:38:18pm

re: #111 jaunte

#IAmBreitbart is attracting the wacky like june bugs to a 500watt nightlight.

Wow.

114 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:38:38pm

re: #108 HappyWarrior

Wasn't the infamous panel that Obama and Ayers allegedly served on together a panel that was funded by a rich Republican donor? I forget the man's name off the top of my head.

It was the Annenberg Challenge, founded by David Annenberg. Obama and Ayers did indeed serve as part of it at the same time.

115 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:39:15pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

It was the Annenberg Challenge, founded by David Annenberg. Obama and Ayers did indeed serve as part of it at the same time.

Ah Annenberg that was the guy's name, yes.

116 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:39:32pm

re: #82 ProGunLiberal

Why would it cost you 2 rosaries and a bunch of candles?

I like metal, and I like Taylor Swift. So that makes me pleased musically. The only way it could be better is if it was TSwift and Bon Jovi, or TSwift and Nightwish.

It was a wisecrack based on old school roman catholic confession (my mother was roman, I'm anglican. Different but more similar than not. Long story starts with Henry VIII not getting the annulment he wanted and an ambitious priest who really did think Rome had screwed up on a bunch of things. But I digress).

You would go in on Saturday, confess your sins of the past week to the priest and he would assign various levels of penance, which would vary but 99.99% of the time were designed to be done before mass the next morning so you could take communion with the rest of the faithful.

The Rosary is a set of prayers with a set of beads to the Virgin Mary. I really do use a similar form but mine are christo-centric rather than marian. Also the candles tend to be set up at a side altar dedicated to "devotion" to Mary (not worship, mind you, though no one on the outside would see any difference). In my Anglican/Episcopalian parish we have a similar set of devotional votive candles but set up before a crucifix of christ triumphant (another really long theological story) instead of Mary.

None of this makes sense to you I am sure. I only occasionally makes sense to me. Thankfully, even when it doesn't make sense, my heart works in place of my brain.

Suffice it to say, it was a bad elaborate joke that I should be "punished" for enjoying that Ms. Swift would like Def Leopard enough to have them onstage with her.

117 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:41:12pm

re: #104 Varek Raith

6 Degrees of Alinsky.

Oh, I bet I can do that one easy.

118 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:42:24pm

re: #116 William Barnett-Lewis

Oh, I know what rosaries are.

I just didn't see what was sinful about the video that you did. :P

Unlike the most recent comment on the Video on Youtube. Anybody want to see it?

119 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:42:35pm

re: #111 jaunte

#IAmBreitbart is attracting the wacky like june bugs to a 500watt nightlight.

It's sad, actually. The man died far too young. I didn't like him, but hell, I don't like a lot of people.

It feels like cheapening his death to immediately turn him into conspiracy theory fodder--although maybe he would have appreciated it.

120 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:43:13pm

BTW, does anyone know what happens to Shirley Sherrod's case now? Where are we with that?

121 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:44:05pm
122 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:44:18pm

re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW, does anyone know what happens to Shirley Sherrod's case now? Where are we with that?

Last I heard she was planning to resume that. She can sue his estate legally. Not sure other than that though.

123 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:44:46pm

re: #118 ProGunLiberal

Oh, I know what rosaries are.

I just didn't see what was sinful about the video that you did. :P

Unlike the most recent comment on the Video on Youtube. Anybody want to see it.

In that case, get me Taylor Swift with Blue Oyster Cult. I'll bet she could put a good twist on some of the lyrics Patti Smith wrote for them... ;)

124 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:45:19pm

re: #121 jaunte

That's a lawyer too.

BRB. Gonna jump out the window.

125 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:45:29pm

re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW, does anyone know what happens to Shirley Sherrod's case now? Where are we with that?

I think that, alas, this is the proverbial legal definition of Moot.

126 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:45:58pm

re: #117 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, I don't know shit about Alinsky aside from that one quote that wingnuts seem to simultaneously decry and embrace.

"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it".

So six degrees me!

/challenge demented

127 austin_blue  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:46:25pm

A play about a union organizer attended by an Illinois politician will bring down a sitting President? I understand now!

No wonder he was assassinated! Great googly moogly! It's a conspiracy!

128 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:46:28pm

re: #123 William Barnett-Lewis

In that case, get me Taylor Swift with Blue Oyster Cult. I'll bet she could put a good twist on some of the lyrics Patti Smith wrote for them... ;)

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129 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:48:10pm

re: #111 jaunte

hahahaha wow

Yeah lady, go get yourself arrested, awesome

130 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:48:58pm

I see on the Chieftains latest album they did a piece with an astronaut who is a Irish flautist. That's a neat combo. My iPod is the UN of music all over places. I got music that I know my grandparents liked such as Sinatra and especially Como, music from my Dad's generation, and everything in between and beyond.

131 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:50:23pm

re: #111 jaunte

The Secret Service Party Van will be paying a visit tomorrow.

re: #130 HappyWarrior

My MP3 Player is much the same way: 1070 songs. I'll have to get a list of who is on it, and how many.

132 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:50:42pm

re: #131 ProGunLiberal

In fact, I will do that right now. Hold on folks.

133 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:51:41pm

re: #125 William Barnett-Lewis

Could not the Big Whatever company still be liable?

134 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:51:43pm
135 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:52:25pm

re: #134 Gus

50 Reasons America Is A Dumb Country

Top 10 reasons:

I have always believed that America is a dumb country. And now I get to prove it. This is my collection of bizarre facts and mini-rants. This is funny, but in a sad way.

Read on

1. 24 percent of Americans can’t name the country we fought in the Revolutionary War.

2. Two-thirds of Americans don’t know what’s in Roe vs. Wade

3. Half of all Americans don’t know how many U.S. Senators each state has.

4. 29 percent of Americans don’t know who the Vice President is.

5. 40 percent of Americans don’t know the three branches of our federal government.

6. 58 percent don’t know who the Taliban is, even though our soldiers have been fighting and dying in Afghanistan for TEN FUCKING YEARS!

7. 18 percent of Americans think the sun revolves around the Earth!

8. On the eve of the Iraq War, 69 percent of Americans thought Saddam Hussein was responsible for the attacks on 9/11. Eight years later, 34 percent STILL BELIEVE THIS SHIT!

9. Harold Camping, a 90-year old phony preacher with a ministry worth 80 million dollars, convinced a bunch of intellectually-challenged people that the world was going to end on May 21st at 6pm. His followers spent months warning the world that the rapture was coming. They gave away their earthly belongings and drained their savings accounts. That day came, and it went, and no rapture. On May 21st at 7pm I posted this to my twitter account:

"I'm cracking rapture jokes like there's no tomorrow!"

10. Millions of people watch reality TV. This amazes me. I HATE REALITY TV. I hate every one of those damn Basketball Wives. I hate the Real Housewives. I hate the Duggars. I hate Kate Gosselin. I hate The Apprentice. I hate the Bachelor. I hate the Bachelorette. I hate all of them. I don't give a flying fuck about these people. This is trainwreck TV at its worst. I love great scripted television (i.e. Justified, Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, Parks and Rec, Community). But I cannot stand reality TV. I think Miami Herald columnist Leonard Pitts summed it up perfectly in a recent column when he said:

“There is something predatory in searching out these troubled people, these drunks and narcissists, these self-centered, superficial plastic surgery junkies, these screechers and whiners and perpetual adolescents with daddy, esteem, or anger management issues, and pay them to let us watch them implode.”

136 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:54:28pm

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Dispatches from the Anti-Evolution Frontline

Jason Rosenhouse received his PhD in mathematics from Dartmouth College in 2000. He subsequently spent three years as a post-doc at Kansas State University. Observing the machinations of the Kansas Board of Education led to his unhealthy obsession with issues related to evolution and creationism.

137 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:59:00pm

re: #134 Gus

He starts with...

I have always believed that America is a dumb country.

... and then lists a number of "statistics" without citation, anecdotes, and things he hates.

Not that hating is wrong in principle, but I'll pass, thanks.

139 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:02:06pm

re: #137 Slumbering Behemoth

He starts with...

... and then lists a number of "statistics" without citation, anecdotes, and things he hates.

Not that hating is wrong in principle, but I'll pass, thanks.

The reason he says that is likely because America, Americans, see themselves as the smartest country in the world above everyone else in existence. If you look past the title you can see that we are far from being this "exceptional" nation and it populated by a large majority of shall we say, intellectually hindered people. Those are the statistics and that's the reality of this country.

140 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:02:55pm

re: #134 Gus

50 Reasons America Is A Dumb Country

We are lucky to live in the free-ist country in the world. Yes, many of us are stupid, but we are all very blessed to live here.

141 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:03:16pm

Whatever.

142 freetoken  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:03:57pm

re: #134 Gus

50 Reasons America Is A Dumb Country

Heh... just look at one one WND's headlines:

NO. 1 BESTSELLING CHRISTIAN AUTHOR ON 'COAST TO COAST'

Cahn makes the case that America is following a pattern established by ancient Israel in ignoring warnings from God about impending judgment.

Farah, Noory, Coast to Coast, WND... there are four of the 50 reasons right there.

143 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:04:26pm

[Insert jam video here.]

Boo hoo.

144 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:05:11pm

I have to admit as a former history major, it always distresses me how little Americans know about history. I've seen it in my own family and friends sometimes.

145 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:05:13pm

There are not a lot of countries where criticism is allowed...

146 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:05:54pm

re: #142 freetoken

Heh... just look at one one WND's headlines:

NO. 1 BESTSELLING CHRISTIAN AUTHOR ON 'COAST TO COAST'

Farah, Noory, Coast to Coast, WND... there are four of the 50 reasons right there.

I can't stand Coast to Coast AM with George Noori; Art Bell might have believed a lot of the shit his guests put out on the air, but at least he was much more entertaining and engaging, IMO.

147 austin_blue  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:06:06pm

I think I know who killed him. The conspiracy is all laid out in this song:

[Link: video.search.yahoo.com...]

148 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:06:10pm

re: #145 Floral Giraffe

There are not a lot of countries where criticism is allowed...

That's a bit like saying other countries have to deal with the Taliban while we have to deal with "mere" wingnuts.

149 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:06:19pm

re: #139 Gus

The reason he says that is likely because America, Americans, see themselves as the smartest country in the world above everyone else in existence. If you look past the title you can see that we are far from being this "exceptional" nation and it populated by a large majority of shall we say, intellectually hindered people. Those are the statistics and that's the reality of this country.

Thing is, it's very American, this listing of how dumb we are. I sometimes see the Brits do it as well. Maybe an Anglo thing.

150 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:06:58pm

re: #148 Gus

That's a bit like saying other countries have to deal with the Taliban while we have to deal with "mere" wingnuts.

I'd rather deal with the wingnuts. They may be armed, but they ain't running the show.

151 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:07:55pm

re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist

I'd rather deal with the wingnuts. They may be armed, but they ain't running the show.

And?

152 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:09:04pm

re: #147 austin_blue

I think I know who killed him. The conspiracy is all laid out in this song:

[Link: video.search.yahoo.com...]

David Byrne in the large suit, riding a bicycle. Who'd suspect that?

153 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:09:20pm

re: #151 Gus

And?

And the Taliban were, and in many places are.

154 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:10:03pm

re: #153 SanFranciscoZionist

And the Taliban were, and in many places are.

I don't care. I posted that link. SB doesn't like it. That's life. I have no interest in taking this into some weird place.

155 Amory Blaine  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:11:10pm
156 Amory Blaine  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:11:39pm

re: #155 Amory Blaine

Science Quiz

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Fun quiz.

157 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:12:22pm

Charles Johnson

The right's been complaining about Saul Alinsky almost ever since Obama was elected. I think they may even have been talking about him before he was elected. I should know, I used to frequent a lot of right wing blogs. Its not like any of this will be brand new. If most people didn't care before, most people won't care now. This is pretty pathetic actually.

158 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:13:12pm

re: #138 Dark_Falcon

OT, but this is worth reading. CNN's Wayne Drash profiles an Iowa farmer who got hosed in the fall of MF Global. Very much a "Main Street vs. Wall Street" story, but it is well written and actually names Jon Corzine as a Democrat. It's fierce but not a hit piece.

Let me ask this quite carefully and honestly. When you read that, do you begin to understand why there are those of us out here who distrust the whole capitalist system? And that we can do it without hating those who do believe in it?

Why are we still allowing this to happen on a daily basis?

Yeah, Corzine is evil. Lots of other "Democrats" that I can call that too. Even more Republicans. So? No need to MBF this though, because it has less to do with the teams than it does with the system.

How do we get a system that allows individual growth while still protecting the whole of society? That's the question we're trying to answer DF.

159 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:13:13pm

re: #154 Gus

I don't care. I posted that link. SB doesn't like it. That's life. I have no interest in taking this into some weird place.

OK.

I just always want to see how other countries actually do on this. Do the French really know French history? What percentage of Japanese believe weird shit about the cosmos?

We should have some sort of international People Are Too Stupid To Be Real-Off.

160 Mocking Jay  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:15:20pm

re: #157 CriticalDragon1177

Charles Johnson

The right's been complaining about Saul Alinsky almost ever since Obama was elected. I think they may even have been talking about him before he was elected. I should know, I used to frequent a lot of right wing blogs. Its not like any of this will be brand new. If most people didn't care before, most people won't care now. This is pretty pathetic actually.

Or as I like to call it...

Big Deal

161 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:15:53pm

re: #148 Gus

That's a bit like saying other countries have to deal with the Taliban while we have to deal with "mere" wingnuts.

Yes, but that is still valid.

162 freetoken  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:16:45pm

re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist

What percentage of Japanese believe weird shit about the cosmos?

I never got into that kind of stuff when I lived over there, but my general impression is that most Japanese don't really believe the early myths about their own nation's origins.

However, many do hold highly stereotypical views of other peoples.

163 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:16:47pm

re: #139 Gus

If you look past the title...

I read past the title.

Those are the statistics and that's the reality of this country.

Though I may not necessarily be surprised (look at where our population stands wrt evolution for example), he cites nothing to back his 'statistics'.

Like a classical wingnut, he starts with a premise, "I have always believed that America is a dumb country", and then lists without citation the things he believes to support his premise.

Heh. Not that most of it isn't funny. It is. But it can't be taken as serious commentary as a whole.

Now, if I've made the mistake of perceiving it as serious commentary when it should have been perceived as satire, I apologize.

164 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:16:55pm

Yawn.

165 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:17:19pm

re: #155 Amory Blaine

Science Quiz

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The quiz is flawed, there is no Jesus answer.

166 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:17:42pm

re: #156 Amory Blaine

Fun quiz.

Working on.

167 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:19:54pm

re: #160 The Right Height

Still I've got to wonder what they try when this doesn't work. Even after he's elected for the second time, assuming he is, Conservatives won't just give Obama a free pass, so I wonder what else they'll do, when they come to realize that most people don't care about this.

168 freetoken  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:20:05pm

re: #164 Gus

Yawn.

I took it as a piece of humor, not a serious evaluation.

169 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:20:34pm

re: #154 Gus

I don't care. I posted that link. SB doesn't like it. That's life. I have no interest in taking this into some weird place.

Keep your powder dry, cranky pants. I panned it as "Meh", nothing more.

170 Mocking Jay  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:22:56pm

re: #169 Slumbering Behemoth

Keep your powder dry, cranky pants. I panned it as "Meh", nothing more.

Image: sample-meh-romney.jpg

171 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:23:55pm

re: #158 William Barnett-Lewis

Let me ask this quite carefully and honestly. When you read that, do you begin to understand why there are those of us out here who distrust the whole capitalist system?

To answer your question: No, I don't. I don't consider consider this so much "capitalism" as joint private/public fuckup. The problem is the fuckup is so damn complicated it may be impossible to prove anything.

172 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:24:00pm

re: #169 Slumbering Behemoth

Keep your powder dry, cranky pants. I panned it as "Meh", nothing more.

That was 10 minutes ago. I already moved on. You know I watched some David Allan Coe video last night that someone posted with Confederate flags here and there on the guitars but I didn't make a federal case about that. Like a big boy I just made the best of it without "pointing out" my objections. I even updinged the video.

173 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:24:54pm

re: #168 freetoken

I took it as a piece of humor, not a serious evaluation.

re: #163 Slumbering Behemoth

Now, if I've made the mistake of perceiving it as serious commentary when it should have been perceived as satire, I apologize.

Then I missed the mark? Apologies all around.

174 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:26:09pm

re: #173 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #163 Slumbering Behemoth

Then I missed the mark? Apologies all around.

Too late. Now I have a headache.

//

175 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:26:14pm

re: #172 Gus

That was 10 minutes ago. I already moved on.

Now you're making fun of my dyslexia. Nice.
///

176 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:27:10pm

I really need to learn some damn physics and chemistry. Got a 64% on the test, and I would have done worse if they didn't keep tipping their hand with 'and it's named after the Greek goddess of...' kinds of clues, which a humanities type such as myself can use to find the answer without understanding the questions.

177 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:27:14pm

re: #175 Slumbering Behemoth

Now you're making fun of my dyslexia. Nice.
///

Dyslexia? Don't you mean \?

178 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:28:04pm

re: #177 Gus

Dyslexia? Don't you mean ?

kreJ.

179 Mocking Jay  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:28:16pm

re: #176 SanFranciscoZionist

I really need to learn some damn physics and chemistry. Got a 64% on the test, and I would have done worse if they didn't keep tipping their hand with 'and it's named after the Greek goddess of...' kinds of clues, which a humanities type such as myself can use to find the answer without understanding the questions.

No Liberal Arts major left behind.

180 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:28:44pm

re: #178 Varek Raith

kreJ.

Uoy Kcuf!

//

181 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:29:27pm

re: #177 Gus

I type odd and I read odd. I would not be surprised if I had a very mild case.

182 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:29:34pm

re: #179 Meh.

No Liberal Arts major left behind.

"A compound named after an epithet of the goddess Athena..."

DING! I pick palladium. Do I know what it does? Not at all!

183 freetoken  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:30:36pm

re: #176 SanFranciscoZionist

I really need to learn some damn physics and chemistry.

I've yet to find any online sources that present those two subjects well (as in, rigorously) while at the same time being engaging enough to keep people coming back.

Problem is, the physical sciences are based around a systematic treatment of a vast number of observations about reality. To go through these systematically can be, well, boring.

184 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:30:55pm

re: #155 Amory Blaine

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Interesting. I got 44 right. And my "scientific Greek" is better than I thought it was.

185 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:31:42pm

No biased headlines at Fox Nation, nope, never.


Will Obama Return Pig Maher's Dirty Donation?

In recent weeks, tensions amongst the liberal and conservative media have reached epic heights. The impact that media figures hold in the political realm is directly affecting this year’s elections. Two weeks ago Bill Maher donated one million dollars to Barack Obama’s Super Pac. The HBO, talk show host has become a liberal media icon for his notoriously obscene remarks and attacks on conservatives. Over the years Maher has hypocritically made statements that judge, criticize and defame conservative public figures. So should Obama accept such a substantial donation to his Super Pac from a man with such questionable character? Is accepting this money furthering a detrimental trend of biased media, political promotion?

Of course, the whole thing about SuperPACs is they aren't officially a part of the candidates campaign, so its wouldn't be Obama's call anyways, but the people at Fox are willing to overlook that for argument's sake.

186 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:32:58pm

re: #185 Kragar

No biased headlines at Fox Nation, nope, never.


Will Obama Return Pig Maher's Dirty Donation?

Of course, the whole thing about SuperPACs is they aren't officially a part of the candidates campaign, so its wouldn't be Obama's call anyways, but the people at Fox are willing to overlook that for argument's sake.

"Pig Maher", can you imagine if MSNBC or CNN had a headline that referred to "Sexist douchepig Limbaugh."

187 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:33:07pm

re: #185 Kragar

No biased headlines at Fox Nation, nope, never.


Will Obama Return Pig Maher's Dirty Donation?

Of course, the whole thing about SuperPACs is they aren't officially a part of the candidates campaign, so its wouldn't be Obama's call anyways, but the people at Fox are willing to overlook that for argument's sake.

"So, will he return money he has absolutely no control over? Probably not, which is why we're gonna demonize him for it!"

188 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:35:50pm

re: #132 ProGunLiberal

I can't do it. There are too many.

189 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:36:28pm

re: #181 Slumbering Behemoth

linked you to Sunshine trailer on previous thread

190 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:37:41pm

I am up much too late. Thank you all for keeping me company this evening.

Till the 'morrow.

191 freetoken  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:40:42pm

I never really found myself being engaged in studying electricity (and magnetism) in HS physics, so when it came time for my third year E&M classes in college it's not surprising I didn't do that well. I still find that whole area of physics to be, well, sort of stuck in a land of overly opaque equations and misleading analogies (e.g., magnetic "lines").

I suspect many who end up teaching physics have similar experiences... and unconsciously pass along to their students their own dislike of this or that area of specialization.

Furthermore, it's an area of physics that suffers from too much analogical thinking. Classic case are the LC and RC circuits and their applications to other areas (such as acoustics, e.g., loudspeaker design).

It took me some time to realize the real universe doesn't work by analogy, and that what is often presented in physics classes can be quite misleading.


Bottom line is this: science education really is difficult, if one's goal is to produce students with many insights into the universe and a set of tools to use to approach solving problems.

Which, I suppose, is why so many "documentaries" really are more about entertaining the viewers rather than educating them.

192 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:40:56pm

re: #185 Kragar

No biased headlines at Fox Nation, nope, never.


Will Obama Return Pig Maher's Dirty Donation?

Of course, the whole thing about SuperPACs is they aren't officially a part of the candidates campaign, so its wouldn't be Obama's call anyways, but the people at Fox are willing to overlook that for argument's sake.

So which idiot wrote that? Weasel Zippers or Jamie Wearing Moron?

193 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:41:21pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

To answer your question: No, I don't. I don't consider consider this so much "capitalism" as joint private/public fuckup. The problem is the fuckup is so damn complicated it may be impossible to prove anything.

Ah, I see this now. I think I have to request we hold off this discussion for the time being as I need to crash now. But I think this gives us a baseline to work from, sir, in our discussions on economic theory.

Please have a good evening, sir.

W.

194 Mocking Jay  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:44:20pm

re: #185 Kragar

They can't wrap their heads around birth control and you think they've decoded the mechanics of supers PACs?

195 freetoken  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:48:16pm

re: #194 Meh.

They can't wrap their heads around birth control and you think they've decoded the mechanics of supers PACs?

Or much less, magnets or, heaven forbid, tides.

196 krypto  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:51:01pm

If attending a play about Saul Alinsky is proof of being a socialist or whatever, then just imagine how much trouble all the Americans who ever watched a movie like "The Exorcist" (or others movies involving demons, Satan, or other evil spirits) will be in under President Santorum.

197 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:51:15pm

re: #194 Meh.

Pfft! They understand all that and more. Keenly, I'd bet.

Their offense is not in stupidity and ignorance, but in feigning stupidity and ignorance for the purpose of obfuscating the true meat of the issues.

198 Lidane  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:52:57pm

I'm too busy processing tonight's episode of The Walking Dead. More coherent thoughts later.

For now, OMG. WTF. I can't. That came out of nowhere. o_O

199 Mocking Jay  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:58:30pm

re: #195 freetoken

Or much less, magnets or, heaven forbid, tides.

Oh yeah. I forgot about that mind-numbing segment. God is, of course, responsible for everything that Bill O'Reilly is too lazy to Google.

200 Mocking Jay  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:59:38pm

re: #198 Lidane

I'm too busy processing tonight's episode of The Walking Dead. More coherent thoughts later.

For now, OMG. WTF. I can't. That came out of nowhere. o_O

Bleeding heart Liberal that I am, I can't say I was on Dale's side on that issue.

201 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:01:58pm

re: #198 Lidane

NO. FUCKING. SPOILERS.

I'm borrowing and renting, so please do me this courtesy.

At the very least add a...

***WALKING DEAD SPOILER ALERT***

Thanks in advance.

/caveman

202 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:03:33pm

re: #198 Lidane

Frank Darabont owns the film rights to Stephen King's The Long Walk


just thought I'd mention that

203 Lidane  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:06:28pm

re: #201 Slumbering Behemoth

I won't spoil anything. The ending just got to me. o_O

204 sagehen  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:09:07pm

re: #202 windupbird is in the gravity well

Frank Darabont owns the film rights to Stephen King's The Long Walk

just thought I'd mention that

If I were a junior high social studies teacher, I'd be all over assigning Long Walk v. Hunger Games essays.

205 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:16:35pm

re: #203 Lidane

For me, my favorite part of any post-apoc story, be it zombie, nuke, pandemic, or whatever, is the human element. The detail put into character development, and the psychology of every day people wading through the neck deep insanity of this "New Fucked World".

Of the few episodes I've watched, I get the sense that "The Walking Dead" is geared towards my tastes.

206 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:18:06pm

re: #202 windupbird is in the gravity well

Frank Darabont owns the film rights to Stephen King's The Long Walk

just thought I'd mention that

If he does make a movie out of it, let it be as great as Shawshank.

207 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:23:45pm

re: #205 Slumbering Behemoth

For me, my favorite part of any post-apoc story, be it zombie, nuke, pandemic, or whatever, is the human element. The detail put into character development, and the psychology of every day people wading through the neck deep insanity of this "New Fucked World".

Of the few episodes I've watched, I get the sense that "The Walking Dead" is geared towards my tastes.

Think that's generally the best stories I like, the ones that don't end with things magically going back to "normal," society rebuilding itself overnight. The idea that things may get livable, perhaps even close to "normal," but they'll never be "normal" again.

208 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:42:44pm

re: #207 Targetpractice

The strictly pious, loosing their shit and going homicidal for a glass of water. The junkie, in a forced absence of junk and everything else, doing something to help others for a change. The disaffected person who laments "So it's zombies now? Meh, fuck it. Not like my life could get any worse, right"?

And a whole host of other human foibles and triumphs.

I will bag on Stephen King a lot for his idiosyncrasies. He has many. But one thing he gets right is the strangely (sometimes disturbingly) detailed character development.

209 Lidane  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:50:30pm

re: #205 Slumbering Behemoth

Of the few episodes I've watched, I get the sense that "The Walking Dead" is geared towards my tastes.

The Walking Dead isn't about the zombies. Yeah, they're there and a constant danger, but they're really not the main focus IMO.

It's about the people adapting to the new fucked up world. I think Robert Kirkman was even quoted as saying that the title refers to the people who are still alive, not the zombies.

210 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:52:18pm

re: #208 Slumbering Behemoth

The strictly pious, loosing their shit and going homicidal for a glass of water. The junkie, in a forced absence of junk and everything else, doing something to help others for a change. The disaffected person who laments "So it's zombies now? Meh, fuck it. Not like my life could get any worse, right"?

And a whole host of other human foibles and triumphs.

I will bag on Stephen King a lot for his idiosyncrasies. He has many. But one thing he gets right is the strangely (sometimes disturbingly) detailed character development.

If the real Running Man (another "Bachmann book") had got made into a movie, it could have been a classic, depending on the people involved.

Not that I don't like the Ahnold go-go-action version, but as the original story was written, it's deep and depressing as hell.

211 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:54:04pm

re: #210 talon_262

If the real Running Man (another "Bachmann book") had got made into a movie, it would have been a classic, depending on the people involved.

Not that I don't like the Ahnold version, but as written, it's deep and depressing as hell.

I'd like to see Road Work made into a movie.

212 Lidane  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:54:06pm

re: #204 sagehen

If I were a junior high social studies teacher, I'd be all over assigning Long Walk v. Hunger Games essays.

I actually like The Hunger Games books. The author puts her heroine through a world of shit by the end of it all. It's definitely not a happy story. Hopeful, yes. Happy? Not really.

213 freetoken  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:54:26pm

re: #205 Slumbering Behemoth

I've not seen the latest episode (or the two previous.) In fact, I had not even seen the show at all until people on here began to rave about it a few weeks ago.

So, I've been trying to catch up (starting with the pilot.)

Frankly, it's not really my cup of tea. I guess I have no interest in the whole zombie craze. Apocalyptic story-lines can be very interesting and I kind of like how the writers take on the idea of small caravans of people joining up and then separating, though I think they push the male-ego conflict idea a bit too much.

214 freetoken  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 11:58:23pm

As far as the Apocalypse genre is concerned, I wish someone would do a good TV series set maybe 1500 years in the future, after modernity collapses, the ice sheets melt, etc. Not that I trust the major media companies in coming up with really high quality stories though - see what happened to Terra Nova (neat idea that IMO was seriously screwed up by forcing a Spielbergian vision of what a show should be to sell merchandise to 5 year olds.)

215 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:00:24am

re: #208 Slumbering Behemoth

The strictly pious, loosing their shit and going homicidal for a glass of water. The junkie, in a forced absence of junk and everything else, doing something to help others for a change. The disaffected person who laments "So it's zombies now? Meh, fuck it. Not like my life could get any worse, right"?

And a whole host of other human foibles and triumphs.

I will bag on Stephen King a lot for his idiosyncrasies. He has many. But one thing he gets right is the strangely (sometimes disturbingly) detailed character development.

The Stand, even at 1000+ pages, was well worth it for the characterization he brought into it. People watching the old world fall apart around them, spending days, weeks, even months alone in a dead world. Think one of my favorite little side-tracks in it was a collection of short blurbs about other people who, for one reason or another, perished due to the collapse of society.

216 sagehen  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:04:00am

I mostly love The Stand, but it's still, all these years later, the reason I get twitchy every time I have to go through the Lincoln Tunnel. I've been known to go way an hour out of my way to cross by the GW bridge instead.

217 freetoken  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:07:42am
218 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:22:35am

'Star Wars' designer McQuarrie dead at 82

Ralph McQuarrie, the cinematic designer known for the famous "Star Wars" characters such as Darth Vader, Chewbacca and R2-D2, has died at age 82, his website announced Sunday.

McQuarrie, who died Saturday, collaborated with George Lucas on the original "Star Wars" trilogy in the 1970s and with Steven Spielberg on films including "E.T," and "Close Encounters of the Third Kind."

219 simoom  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:22:39am

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said Sunday that if U.S. President Barack Obama is elected to a second term in the White House, Iran would surely become nuclear, AFP reported.

"It's pretty straightforward in my view. If Barack Obama is re-elected, Iran will have a nuclear weapon and the world will change if that's the case," AFP quoted Romney as saying to supporters in Atlanta, Georgia.

"This is a president who has failed to put into place crippling sanctions against Iran. And [has failed to communicate] that it's unacceptable to America for Iran to have a nuclear weapon," he said.

Romney promised his supporters that he will speak out about military options on Iran, saying that Obama had "failed to communicate that military options are on the table."

It's like it's always opposite day when Romney is talking about President Obama's record on just about anything.

220 simoom  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:27:16am

re: #219 simoom

Santorum said something similar on a nuclear Iran (though with more crazy added, obviously) a month or so back:

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum on Thursday accused President Barack Obama of actively seeking ways to allow Iran to gain a nuclear weapon ...

"We're throwing Israel under the bus because we know we're going to be dependent upon OPEC," Santorum said during a speech in Oklahoma City. "We're going to say, 'Oh, Iran, we don't want you to get a nuclear weapon — wink, wink, nod, nod — go ahead, just give us your oil.'

221 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:27:23am

re: #219 simoom

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

It's like it's always opposite day when Romney is talking about President Obama's record on just about anything.

Yeah, what has Obama done for the war on terror...

US to outline legal backing for 'targeted kill' programme

The US attorney general, Eric Holder, plans to address the issue and the underpinning legal principles for using lethal force during remarks at Northwestern University School of Law on Monday afternoon in Chicago, the source said on Sunday, on condition of anonymity.

The Obama administration has increased the use of unmanned aerial drones against terrorism suspects. US officials have said little publicly about the programme but some officials said in 2011 that Americans like Awlaki could be placed on a kill or capture list by a secretive panel of senior US government officials which then informs the president of its decisions.

Holder will likely link the justification with another argument made by the administration: that both civilian and military courts can successfully try terrorism suspects.

The speech will be the latest attempt by the administration to address the issue, an unusual break with the past when there was virtually no discussion about the top-secret programme.

The defence department lawyer Jeh Johnson in February referred to the so-called "targeted kill" programme, saying it pursued legitimate military targets overseas. He rejected suggestions that the United States was engaged in assassination.

"Under well-settled legal principles, lethal force against a valid military objective, in an armed conflict, is consistent with the law of war and does not, by definition, constitute an assassination," Johnson said at Yale Law School.

Oh.

222 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:28:19am

re: #216 sagehen

They have psychiatrists for that, ya know.
/

223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:28:59am

re: #216 sagehen

I mostly love The Stand, but it's still, all these years later, the reason I get twitchy every time I have to go through the Lincoln Tunnel. I've been known to go way an hour out of my way to cross by the GW bridge instead.

That chapter represented (IMO) the best writing in Stephen King's career.

224 boredtechindenver  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:35:30am

re: #49 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

-Herschel and Dale are outed as gay lovers.
-Fidel Castro arrives with relief supplies but the group mistakes him for a walker and shoots him. They keep the supplies.
-Glenn shoots a water-logged walker who is eventually recognized as the former Osama bin Laden. The group speculates about whether they will still be eligible for a reward if the government ever gets up and running again.

The butler did it.

225 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:39:55am

***pimping***
Read 11/22/63.
***pimping***

226 freetoken  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:43:31am

re: #225 Resistance is futile. You'll be discombobulated.

***pimping***
Read 11/22/63.
***pimping***

You just reminded me to check where I'm at on my local library's waiting list for it... I'm #243 of 298 requests! Yay, I'm moving up (last time I checked I was #300.)

227 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:44:48am

re: #226 freetoken

Half a year and you're there ;)

228 researchok  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:49:13am

Morning, all

229 thecommodore  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:57:11am

This is devistating. He was part of a panel on a Q & A about a community organizer who helped poor people.

I bet Part II of this explosive expose is photographic evidence that Obama and William Ayers went to a Cubs game and...(gasp)...Ayers offered to buy Obama a hot dog and (gasp) Obama accepted it and (gasp) EVEN THANKED HIM!!!

It is so over.

230 researchok  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:05:53am

This was over the day Newt Gingrich became a credible candidate for the GOP.

They will have to rethink this whole TP alignment and emphasis on private social issues agenda.

231 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:16:08am

re: #230 researchok

And Santorum.

232 researchok  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:24:31am

re: #231 Resistance is futile. You'll be discombobulated.

That, too.

233 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:25:31am

re: #230 researchok

And Mitt Romney.

234 researchok  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:26:28am

Good morning, Tovarisch.

A new day in Russia. Or so I'm told.

235 researchok  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:27:12am

re: #233 Obdicut

He morphed into unacceptable.

He wasn't ideal, but he was credible.

236 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:30:42am

re: #235 researchok

He morphed into unacceptable.

He wasn't ideal, but he was credible.

His morphing took about 1/2 a second. He was never running as a moderate candidate. He immediately starting running to the right.

237 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:33:43am

re: #234 researchok

New day, like the old day.

238 researchok  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:33:48am

re: #236 Obdicut

That's for sure.

He gave up his best characteristics in the idiotic belief he would become a TP darling.

Politics is like booze. Too much and you become stupid.

239 researchok  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:34:45am

re: #237 Resistance is futile. You'll be discombobulated.

What? No wind induced tears for you?
/

240 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:35:49am

re: #239 researchok

What? No wind induced tears for you?
/

That must've been the famous "wind of change".

241 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:36:11am

re: #238 researchok

During the last (midterm) election, you said that you were planning on voting Republican, and that you (and other conservatives) would sideline the religious fundamentalist types and paleocons after the election.

How does that plan look to you now, in retrospect?

242 researchok  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:37:11am

re: #240 Resistance is futile. You'll be discombobulated.

Or, as the opposition might say, 'The winds of war'.

243 researchok  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:41:15am

re: #241 Obdicut

I'm staying home.

Two good things will happen in my opinion.

The GOP gets beat so bad they will have to rebuild (not a bad idea) sans the TP.

The Dems will over reach on spending and will finally have to confront reality on spending and long term debt. It will be painful but in the end they will do well with the idea. That of course assumes they take the House.

244 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:42:22am
Be courageous! Be Breitbart! Support Newt with your donations.
245 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:42:31am

twitter is awesome

246 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:44:29am

re: #245 windupbird is in the gravity well

twitter is awesome

"Be Breitbart!" is awesome. Should be used instead of FOAD.

247 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:45:09am

re: #243 researchok

I'm staying home.

Two good things will happen in my opinion.

The GOP gets beat so bad they will have to rebuild (not a bad idea) sans the TP.

The Dems will over reach on spending and will finally have to confront reality on spending and long term debt. It will be painful but in the end they will do well with the idea. That of course assumes they take the House.

Just as long as health reform sticks, because it saves money

It'd be great if we confronted our long term debt by knocking off our addiction to the military industrial complex, world domination and empire, but I live in America so I know that's a joke and we'll only stop when America is strangled to death like a dog

248 researchok  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:46:01am

re: #247 windupbird is in the gravity well

Yeah, I laughed.

249 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:46:35am

re: #243 researchok

What I asked was about your plan to sideline the fundamentalists et al. after voting for them in the past election. Do you feel that plan was a success?

The Dems will over reach on spending and will finally have to confront reality on spending and long term debt. It will be painful but in the end they will do well with the idea. That of course assumes they take the House.

Where does raising taxes fit into that?

250 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:47:19am

re: #248 researchok

Yeah, I laughed.

A man can dream of riding a broom and greeting Hagrid as he enters hogwarts for another year :D

251 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:48:21am

re: #249 Obdicut

What I asked was about your plan to sideline the fundamentalists et al. after voting for them in the past election. Do you feel that plan was a success?

Where does raising taxes fit into that?

Bankster? I barely knew her!

252 researchok  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:50:45am

One more thing.

The GOP will have to learn Government has no business in the bedrooms of the nation in both the literal and figurative sens. Ever.

They can certainly embrace ethical and moral positions without going where they don't belong.

The same applies to the progressives. With the advent of newer technologies, the age of fetal viability is getting younger. Focus on contraception, sex education and access to early, quick and accessible abortion will have to be emphasized.

Early viability is very real emotional- and unspoken- line in the sand.

And talk about 'post birth abortions' will not be met with great enthusiasm, to put it mildly.

253 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:53:54am

re: #252 researchok

Nobody, aside from some people following academic inquiry, is talking about 'post-birth abortion'. And how does viability affect the issue of abortion, please? We might one day have the capacity to have fully artificial 'wombs'; would that, in your eyes, change the 'line in the sand' and disallow abortion?

254 researchok  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:54:23am

re: #249 Obdicut

What I asked was about your plan to sideline the fundamentalists et al. after voting for them in the past election. Do you feel that plan was a success?

Where does raising taxes fit into that?

Like Obama says, taxes are only a part o9f solution. You could tax the rich at 90% and barely make a dent in the deficit. Spending has to be cut. If it isn't, the GOP will take both Houses and the WH after this election and will probably get a second shot as well.

Now, what fundamentalist did I vote for? I don't recall saying I ever voted for a fundamentalist.

255 researchok  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:55:44am

re: #253 Obdicut

As the age of viability decreases, there will be an emphasis on earlier abortions. This has been the historical pattern.

And no, I don't believe we are ready to accept an artificial womb in assigning viability, etc.

Not yet, anyway.

256 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:56:30am

re: #252 researchok

Viability by itself is not really a line in the sand, though. Until the cerebral cortex develops, it cannot be said to be a person in any way. The sand line is somewhere in the 6th month, then. And most abortions happen way before that.

257 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:57:31am

re: #254 researchok

I asked about taxes because you entirely left them out of your earlier discussion of spending and debt.

Talking about cutting spending, in the abstract, is really pointless. If you cut some types of spending, you wind up spending more money down the road. Cut spending on fixing the leaky roof, lose money when the roof collapses.

Nothing we are doing is sustainable. We don't have sustainable energy production, sustainable infrastructure, or sustainable industry. All the talk of having to cut spending to be viable long-term ignores that there isn't a workable long-term.

Now, what fundamentalist did I vote for? I don't recall saying I ever voted for a fundamentalist.

You voted GOP in the last election, right? Who did you vote for?

258 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:58:06am

re: #255 researchok

As the age of viability decreases, there will be an emphasis on earlier abortions. This has been the historical pattern.

I asked why, not for a repetition of the assertion, please. Why is viability a line in the sand?

259 researchok  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:58:58am

re: #256 Resistance is futile. You'll be discombobulated.

To date, viability, rather than a developed cerebral cortex is the standard.

260 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:59:36am

re: #259 researchok

To date, viability, rather than a developed cerebral cortex is the standard.

Why should it be?

261 researchok  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:59:43am

re: #258 Obdicut

Because that is how we have moved the goal posts- at least until now.

262 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:01:31am

re: #259 researchok

My test is actually more stringent, since it is against elective abortion after the 20th week, while viability currently is at 24-28 weeks.
And if the viability standard reaches below 20 weeks it will have to be revised.

263 researchok  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:03:58am

re: #257 Obdicut

The whole world recognizes cutting spending as well as raising taxes is necessary- Europe (north and south), Japan, and so on recognize there are limits to spending. That is why they have chosen to reduce spending and funding of unsustainable long term costs.

As for who I voted for, well, it was not a fundamentalist. I do not endorse candidates nor do I discuss who I vote for.

264 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:04:46am

re: #261 researchok

Because that is how we have moved the goal posts- at least until now.

That isn't an answer. That's a fallacious appeal to tradition.

265 researchok  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:04:54am

re: #260 Obdicut

Why should it be?

I don't make those decisions.

Ask the politicians.

266 researchok  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:05:55am

re: #264 Obdicut

That isn't an answer. That's a fallacious appeal to tradition.

And it is also a reality.

267 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:06:42am

re: #263 researchok

Almost every country in the world also passed a stimulus package. Many of them have not cut spending. Your assertion is without basis.

If you won't discuss who you voted for, that's your right, but if they were a member of the GOP they almost certainly favor weakening the barrier between church and state, and by voting for a member of the GOP, it supports that overall.

You made a contention that you-- and others like you-- would be able to sideline the religious and paleocons after the elections. I'm asking you how you feel that plan worked out. So far, you haven't answered. Do you care to do so?

268 researchok  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:07:50am

re: #267 Obdicut

Almost every country in the world also passed a stimulus package. Many of them have not cut spending. Your assertion is without basis.

If you won't discuss who you voted for, that's your right, but if they were a member of the GOP they almost certainly favor weakening the barrier between church and state, and by voting for a member of the GOP, it supports that overall.

You made a contention that you-- and others like you-- would be able to sideline the religious and paleocons after the elections. I'm asking you how you feel that plan worked out. So far, you haven't answered. Do you care to do so?

Which countries have not made spending cuts?

269 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:09:03am

re: #266 researchok

No, it's not a reality that we will continue to view 'viability' as the line in the sand, if viability continues to be pushed back. That is what would be a 'supposition'. I'm asking you to support it. If you're unable to, that's fine.

270 researchok  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:11:05am

re: #268 researchok

You made a contention that you-- and others like you-- would be able to sideline the religious and paleocons after the elections. I'm asking you how you feel that plan worked out. So far, you haven't answered. Do you care to do so?

Yes, the paleocons have yet to be sidelined.

They will be. If not, the GOP will have lost my support until that happens.

I might support the dems if they embraced responsible fiscal policies, both tax and spending wise, but until that happens, I'm on the sidelines.

271 researchok  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:14:07am

re: #269 Obdicut

No, it's not a reality that we will continue to view 'viability' as the line in the sand, if viability continues to be pushed back. That is what would be a 'supposition'. I'm asking you to support it. If you're unable to, that's fine.

Let me know when things change. Until then, I'll live in the real world.

By the way, all I ever said was viability is the current line in the sane.

I never said I supported or didn't support the idea.

272 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:14:27am

re: #268 researchok

Which countries have not made spending cuts?

Norway, for example. Like a sane country, they cut government spending during the boom times, and increased it during the recession. Which is what used to be common-sense economics, before the ghost of Ayn Rand possessed so many.

273 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:15:04am

re: #270 researchok

Yes, the paleocons have yet to be sidelined.

They will be. If not, the GOP will have lost my support until that happens.

How? How will they be? It's the same question I asked you last mid-term election. What was your plan for sidelining them, and how did it fail?

274 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:15:08am

re: #271 researchok

No, you also assumed the standard won't change as technology progresses.

275 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:15:26am

re: #273 Obdicut

...
Profit!

276 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:16:12am

re: #271 researchok

By the way, all I ever said was viability is the current line in the sane.

No, that's not what you said. You said that early viability was a line in the sand- a somewhat confused statement, but you were clearly talking about technology affecting viability.

277 researchok  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:17:25am

Norway.

Well, that's one. And a quick search indicates there are calls to cut spending in Norway as well.


And on that note, my reality beckons- later, all.

278 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:18:50am

Reverse Borat: an anthem mishap in Kazakhstan. Watch the vid:

[Link: tengrinews.kz...]

279 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:27:40am

re: #274 Resistance is futile. You'll be discombobulated.

No, you also assumed the standard won't change as technology progresses.

Which is just kind of ridiculous on it's face when you think about it. If the technology progresses to the point where every single frozen fertilized egg in a lab becomes viable and can be grown in an artificial womb, there's absolutely no reason to believe that society with embrace a moral imperative to grow them all simply because they exist.

280 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:32:59am

re: #277 researchok

Norway.

Well, that's one. And a quick search indicates there are calls to cut spending in Norway as well.
.

Yes, there are idiots calling for spending cuts during a recession everywhere.

However, as I said, Norway cut spending during boom times, intelligently, and increased spending in the recession.

In addition, you appear to have entirely fucking ignored the point that our economy is not sustainable anyway, so attempting to get to some steady state of spending and taxation is entirely fucking moot.

281 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:35:06am

re: #280 Obdicut

Which is also my main problem with the "Occupy" movement. The distribution of wealth is increasingly uneven, and that's a problem, but the way that wealth is generated is unsustainable, and that is the primary problem.

282 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:36:45am

re: #278 Resistance is futile. You'll be discombobulated.

Heh. Is the state band one dude with a boombox?

283 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:41:33am

re: #282 Obdicut

It's some regional thing. Still funny tho.

284 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:41:52am

Man I am such a douche. I've been drinkin all night and an electrician I hired is going to be here in like 2 hrs.

285 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:42:25am

re: #284 Amory Blaine

Just tell him you love him, man.

286 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:45:10am

re: #280 Obdicut

Yes, there are idiots calling for spending cuts during a recession everywhere.

However, as I said, Norway cut spending during boom times, intelligently, and increased spending in the recession.

In addition, you appear to have entirely fucking ignored the point that our economy is not sustainable anyway, so attempting to get to some steady state of spending and taxation is entirely fucking moot.

the ship, it be sinking

287 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:45:46am

I'm on vacation this week. I just started a new bar at our new house so I'm breakin it in. I feel good right now.

288 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:48:16am

I'm not alone so you know I'm sitting with my son right now. :p

289 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:54:26am

Threadkiller

290 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:55:44am

re: #288 Amory Blaine

I"m hoping the son isn't, like, five?

291 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:56:11am

lol 25

292 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:57:09am

re: #291 Amory Blaine

That's all okay, then.

Remember to put pants on before the electrician arrives.

And not on the head.

293 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:58:15am

You always have good advice. I better write that down.

0_o

294 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:58:25am

re: #34 Radiohead Played Reckoner For Me Last Night

He will always have a place of honor in the Right Wing Valhalla for bringing down Rep Weiner.

295 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:58:55am

Weiner was formidable.

296 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 4:10:03am

re: #295 Amory Blaine

Weiner was formidable.

He had a formindable crotch shot, yes...

297 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 4:17:55am

One of the more interesting bands I've heard in awhile.

Kind of a Pixies/Beck/Vampire Weekend/Mercury Rev bunch.

298 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 4:18:44am

re: #297 Obdicut

Whoops.

299 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 4:30:00am

re: #298 Obdicut

Interesting.

300 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 4:35:28am

re: #299 Resistance is futile. You'll be discombobulated.

This is their most famous song:

And while it's kick-ass, I actually find a lot of their other stuff more long-term compelling.

301 Aye Pod  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 4:37:46am

The wingnut 'apology' song:

Sweetness, sweetness I was only joking
When I said I'd like to smash every tooth
In your head

Oh ... sweetness, sweetness, I was only joking
When I said by rights you should be
Bludgeoned in your bed

And now I know how Joan of Arc felt
Now I know how Joan of Arc felt
As the flames rose to her roman nose
And her Walkman started to melt
Oh ...

302 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 4:45:59am

Good Morning Honcos!!

303 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 4:49:52am

re: #302 Prison life's structured...

Hey, I wanted to ask you: How is John Paul Jones viewed in today's Navy? At all an important history in the development of the US Naval tradition, or more an iconoclastic bizarro?

304 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 4:51:01am

re: #303 Obdicut

Hey, I wanted to ask you: How is John Paul Jones viewed in today's Navy? At all an important history in the development of the US Naval tradition, or more an iconoclastic bizarro?

More the Naval tradition piece. Naval Academy grads especially revere him (he's buried there) even though he always struck me as more of a ROTC guy.
//

305 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 4:54:45am

re: #304 Prison life's structured...

People who appear to lack fear always interest me. Jones is one of those dudes who appears to have only gotten angrier the more he got shot at.

306 Sionainn  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 4:55:10am

I woke up early this morning, not particularly pleased, and then I read this huge breaking bombshell about Obama, and laughed my ass off. Priceless.

307 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 4:55:59am

re: #304 Prison life's structured...
The keyboardist for Led Zeppelin is dead?!
I am getttting old.
How the hell did he manage to get buried there?
I guess it happens in fours

308 S.D.  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 4:56:48am

"Breitbart Empire"?
Are they kidding? Did they refer to his web sites as that before his unfortunate demise?

309 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 4:57:39am

re: #308 S.D.

Now that he's dead, he'll be gilded, bronzed, and crowned the perfect courageous lion of the right.

310 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 5:02:38am

what is this i dont even

bbl

311 aug3  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 5:02:47am

wait till they find out that Saul worked with Mitt's dad

312 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 5:06:23am

re: #307 Tommy

The keyboardist for Led Zeppelin is dead?!
I am gettting old.
How the hell did he manage to get buried there?
I guess it happens in fours

On the same lines how did the lead singer for the Monkees get the gig in King Neptunes court/Davy Jones locker(Navy Shellback joke)?!
//

313 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 5:07:00am

re: #309 Obdicut

Now that he's dead, he'll be gilded, bronzed, and crowned the perfect courageous lion of the right.

His Hair was very maneish.
//

314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 5:08:57am

re: #305 Obdicut

People who appear to lack fear always interest me. Jones is one of those dudes who appears to have only gotten angrier the more he got shot at.

I accidentally put a staple (big appliance box staple) through my thumb on Saturday. I've been all but crippled since.

I'm... uh... not what you'd call a "man's man".

315 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 5:12:11am

re: #314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How long was it in there until someone was able to chase you down, tackle you, and pull it out?

316 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 5:12:48am

Morning Lizardim. Looks like I missed a pretty standout batch of batshit crazy yesterday, including that perennial font of all things derp, RS McCain. This is what happens when you take a day off from the Internet, I guess. How are things out there in Lizardia?

317 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 5:22:41am

re: #316 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim. Looks like I missed a pretty standout batch of batshit crazy yesterday, including that perennial font of all things derp, RS McCain. This is what happens when you take a day off from the Internet, I guess. How are things out there in Lizardia?

I been away all weekend, too. No end of fun.

318 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 5:27:29am

If you like Sexy and You Know It by LMFAO
you may like this:
[Link: freebeerandhotwings.com...]
Springsteen/Fallon Sexy and I Know It

319 JRCMYP  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 5:53:13am

re: #49 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

-Herschel and Dale are outed as gay lovers.
-Fidel Castro arrives with relief supplies but the group mistakes him for a walker and shoots him. They keep the supplies.
-Glenn shoots a water-logged walker who is eventually recognized as the former Osama bin Laden. The group speculates about whether they will still be eligible for a reward if the government ever gets up and running again.

Dufus.

320 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 5:53:28am

A play about Alinsky? This is what Comrade Obama contributed to the revolution? I want my party dues back.

321 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 5:53:29am

re: #277 researchok

Norway.

Well, that's one. And a quick search indicates there are calls to cut spending in Norway as well.

And on that note, my reality beckons- later, all.

They are talking of not spending their savings, they are not talking of increasing their debt.

There is a BIG BIG difference between the two.

322 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 5:57:50am

re: #315 Tommy

How long was it in there until someone was able to chase you down, tackle you, and pull it out?

Oh... it was still attached to the appliance box I was ripping open. That way, it was able to leverage itself all the way in; then I yanked my thumb off. Thumbnail's damaged, thumbs swollen... they wouldn't admit me to ICU.

My wife put it very succinctly... "Idiot."

323 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 6:00:19am

Morning Lizards.

Project Go-Live is hectic city. Three "you must fix this right nowwww!" issues the minute I came in the door. (Sounds like the cat.)

Turns out that none of them are directly my fault, but I get to scramble and come up with temporary fixes while revised specs go down to the team in Brazil for implementation. Basically people forgetting things when they put together the original spec.

Luckily I recognized one of the errors right off and was able to steer folk in the right direction instead of a wild goose chase through the security configuration. (whew)

Got a free breakfast out of this in any case. Scrambled eggs, bacon, bacon. Om Nom Nom

324 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 6:01:30am

re: #314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I accidentally put a staple (big appliance box staple) through my thumb on Saturday. I've been all but crippled since.

I'm... uh... not what you'd call a "man's man".

Are you up to date on your tetanus shots?

325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 6:02:16am

re: #322 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh... it was still attached to the appliance box I was ripping open. That way, it was able to leverage itself all the way in; then I yanked my thumb off. Thumbnail's damaged, thumbs swollen... they wouldn't admit me to ICU.

My wife put it very succinctly... "Idiot."

Oh, after spending the weekend in traction over my equivalent of an "Owie", I saw this story on ESPN this morning. So, I just demolished my wife's bathroom and am going to do a surprise renovation for her today.

If I don't finish before she gets home, and gets mad at me? I'll blame this guy.

326 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 6:12:19am

re: #325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Always make sure to apportion blame before starting any new project.

327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 6:19:36am

re: #324 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Are you up to date on your tetanus shots?

Oh yeah. That hurt too.

328 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 6:23:52am

re: #327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh yeah. That hurt too.

Well better than having to change your nick to "Fat Bastard Vegetarian With Lockjaw" That's getting into Sergey territory.

329 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 6:25:00am

re: #326 Obdicut

Always make sure to apportion blame before starting any new project.

He should just leave a couple of extra flyers and signs in there and claim that the Occupy Movement did it. And then show the wife the appropriate Killgore post here to back it up.

330 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 6:33:36am

re: #328 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Well better than having to change your nick to "Fat Bastard Vegetarian With Lockjaw" That's getting into Sergey territory.

My wife prays daily for my oncoming lockjaw.

331 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 6:37:09am

re: #330 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My wife prays daily for my oncoming lockjaw.

If she suddenly starts taking up needlework you might want to be a bit more careful while sleeping.
;)

332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 6:38:23am

Didn't occur to me until just now... I have an open sore on my thumb and I am working on a bathroom.

Even clean ones are not very sanitary.

333 iossarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 6:39:42am

re: #320 Decatur Deb

A play about Alinsky? This is what Comrade Obama contributed to the revolution? I want my party dues back.

The poster has a red background. End of story, QED.

334 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 6:39:55am

re: #332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Except the cleanest spot is typically the toilet seat. /adam savagejamie hyneman

335 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 6:44:39am

Here's another method of winning the elections. Look carefully at the bald guy in black jacket.

336 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 6:51:20am

re: #335 Resistance is futile. You'll be discombobulated.

Shit. You can even see it in the reflection in the window. Wow.

On another subject...

FUCK YEAH! JURY DUTY!
/doubt I'll get picked.

337 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 6:52:54am

re: #332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Didn't occur to me until just now... I have an open sore on my thumb and I am working on a bathroom.

Even clean ones are not very sanitary.

Shouldn't you be, oh,, I dunno,,, finishing your project before wifey gets home and finishes YOU !?!?!

338 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 6:56:39am

re: #336 Slumbering Behemoth

Damn, good catch, I didn't notice. Needless to say, that station had 94% for Putin.

339 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:03:23am

Update on Zedushka:

Still in the hospital, being pumped full of antibiotics all day today. My daughter and her cute new hubby went to take him breakfast, I can't go--being under the weather myself, should avoid being around people even sicker than I am.

Spoke to him, he sound cheerful, all trusting in G-D and doctors and science.

340 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:05:02am

re: #339 Learned Mother of Zion

Best wishes. Hope everything turns out well.

341 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:07:12am

re: #340 Slumbering Behemoth

Best wishes. Hope everything turns out well.

Ditto.

342 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:17:49am

re: #339 Learned Mother of Zion

Update on Zedushka:

Still in the hospital, being pumped full of antibiotics all day today. My daughter and her cute new hubby went to take him breakfast, I can't go--being under the weather myself, should avoid being around people even sicker than I am.

Spoke to him, he sound cheerful, all trusting in G-D and doctors and science.

Trusting in doctors and science? But they can't heal people, only Jesus can. Get with the program./

(Totally kidding, playing off of the current surge of rabid evangelical groupthink in the GOP.)

343 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:20:43am

re: #342 thedopefishlives

Trusting in doctors and science? But they can't heal people, only Jesus can. Get with the program./

(Totally kidding, playing off of the current surge of rabid evangelical groupthink in the GOP.)

The original Scripture says, when someone is sick, "v'rapeh yirapeh" (he shall go to be healed and he shall be healed) the word "healed" is repeated twice, meaning that G-D heals but the physician is given the gift to cause the healing.

344 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:23:10am

re: #343 Learned Mother of Zion

The original Scripture says, when someone is sick, "v'rapeh yirapeh" (he shall go to be healed and he shall be healed) the word "healed" is repeated twice, meaning that G-D heals but the physician is given the gift to cause the healing.

And I would agree with you. I do know some people close to the family, however, who are absolutely convinced that any and all doctors are quacks. It's depressing.

As a complete aside to my facetious tone from earlier, I hope Zedushka stays well and gets turned loose quickly.

345 Charleston Chew  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:23:21am

When I was 19, I went to a boring amateur performance of No Exit with this chick I was trying to bang...

Aw, shit, does that mean I'm a Marxist? And I didn't even know it. That's how easy it is. It could happen to you!

346 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:25:07am

re: #343 Learned Mother of Zion

Another interpretation is that the sick person is going to the doctor for physical healing, while prayer to G-d for spiritual healing - both working in tandem. Either way, the doctor is actively involved in the healing practice.

347 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:27:31am

re: #336 Slumbering Behemoth

FUCK YEAH! JURY DUTY!

Heh. Just checked with the website. I should have checked last night. I'm "on call", and don't have to show up today.

derp

348 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:28:06am

re: #344 thedopefishlives

Playing off of this post, there has been more than one occasion where my in-laws have had to stage an intervention with one particular family in order to get them to take one or more of their kids in to the hospital for treatment. The parents were convinced that there was nothing "physically" wrong with their child, but believe me, the hospital demonstrated differently. It just upsets me that this cycle keeps repeating itself. You'd think they would learn eventually.

349 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:30:59am

hmmm!

Attended a Play! OMG!

I've been listening to a novel about what it was like to live in Communist China in 1971. Somehow, such an accusation seems to belong in the book.

How is everyone this am?

BTW, Brat Puppy won his beauty contest yesterday. He won in his class and then went Best of Winners. Not to shabby for the 'hunting puppy".

350 Charleston Chew  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:32:19am

re: #335 Resistance is futile. You'll be discombobulated.

Here's another method of winning the elections. Look carefully at the bald guy in black jacket.

[Embedded content]

Reminds me of that old Fox show Magic's Biggest Secrets Finally Revealed.

Maybe that guy's excuse for having all that in his coat is, "In Russia, ballot box stuffs you!"

351 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:32:25am

re: #339 Learned Mother of Zion

Update on Zedushka:

Still in the hospital, being pumped full of antibiotics all day today. My daughter and her cute new hubby went to take him breakfast, I can't go--being under the weather myself, should avoid being around people even sicker than I am.

Spoke to him, he sound cheerful, all trusting in G-D and doctors and science.

(((Zedushka))))

352 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:32:32am

Good morning lizards!

March is coming in like a lion. The weather channel said less than an inch in Charlottesville today. We got 6 inches so far and counting.

353 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:34:35am

re: #332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Didn't occur to me until just now... I have an open sore on my thumb and I am working on a bathroom.

Even clean ones are not very sanitary.

Becareful, be very careful!

I myself cut my ankle shaving last week. Was in a hurry, didn't think about too much. It bled, I put a bandaid on it. Well last night I realized that the area still hurt and it had been a couple of days. Look down and low and behold! My ankle is swollen.

Off to the doctor today.

354 Charleston Chew  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:35:19am

re: #352 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

March is coming in like a lion. The weather channel said less than an inch in Charlottesville today. We got 6 inches so far and counting.

March is coming in like a snow leopard.

355 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:35:27am

re: #349 ggt

They (Communists) rounded up all the "intellectuals" and removed them from the population.

The way the wingnuts carry on about "snobs" and "elites", it makes me wonder...

356 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:35:57am

re: #349 ggt

hmmm!

Attended a Play! OMG!

I've been listening to a novel about what it was like to live in Communist China in 1971. Somehow, such an accusation seems to belong in the book.

How is everyone this am?

BTW, Brat Puppy won his beauty contest yesterday. He won in his class and then went Best of Winners. Not to shabby for the 'hunting puppy".

Congratulations to Brat Puppy. I bet he earned himself a nice reward.

357 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:36:24am

re: #352 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

March is coming in like a lion. The weather channel said less than an inch in Charlottesville today. We got 6 inches so far and counting.

Yeah, we're going to have a 55-degree spring day tomorrow. I may even roll down the windows in the Volkswagen on my way to the dentist.

358 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:36:38am

BTW I don't know if I ever mentioned this, but when my dad passed away a year ago, I printed out all the responses of the lizards on that thread and gave them to my mom. She was really touched and said "These messages are all from some people you know on the Internet?" As I recall, someone posted a little poem, and someone else Wiki'ed my dad's service record on the USS White Plains.

It was all very emotional.

359 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:37:04am
The earth-shattering scoop that will blow this baby wide open can now be revealed: 14 years ago Obama attended a play in Chicago.

This truly is devastating. But as is typical, not one word about this shocking expose in the lamestream media. /

360 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:38:18am

re: #352 NJDhockeyfan

Today's high is predicted to be 77, and we've had maybe three days of rain in the last four months.

Farmers are in a tight spot, and I'm not looking forward to this summer at all.

361 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:38:51am

re: #352 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

March is coming in like a lion. The weather channel said less than an inch in Charlottesville today. We got 6 inches so far and counting.

I thought of you this weekend when I saw Goon.


Pretty good hockey movie. Well worth watching if you haven't seen it yet.
362 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:39:06am

re: #355 Slumbering Behemoth

They (Communists) rounded up all the "intellectuals" and removed them from the population.

The way the wingnuts carry on about "snobs" and "elites", it makes me wonder...

Yeah, it's all about pandering to a certain market. . . .

After Limbaugh's use of the word "co-ed" it's become all too clear. An archaic term remembered and used by whom?

363 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:39:53am

Electrician is here. I am drunk. All is well.

364 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:40:11am

re: #356 thedopefishlives

Congratulations to Brat Puppy. I bet he earned himself a nice reward.

Thank you. He was happy just being away for the weekend with his sister and breeder/handler. He loves the shows. Slept all night long.

365 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:41:59am

re: #363 Amory Blaine

Electrician is here. I am drunk. All is well.

Sounds like the beginning of a porno.

366 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:43:21am

Translation from oppo demo in Moscow: [Link: rt.com...]

367 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:43:53am

re: #365 Slumbering Behemoth

Sounds like the beginning of a porno.

"Dear Penthouse,,, I never believed any of the letters in your magazine until one morning I woke up only to find an electrical socket in my bedroom not working and a bottle of scotch that did!!"

368 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:46:28am

re: #358 Learned Mother of Zion

BTW I don't know if I ever mentioned this, but when my dad passed away a year ago, I printed out all the responses of the lizards on that thread and gave them to my mom. She was really touched and said "These messages are all from some people you know on the Internet?" As I recall, someone posted a little poem, and someone else Wiki'ed my dad's service record on the USS White Plains.

It was all very emotional.

The Lizardim, by and large, are good people. One of the safest havens I've ever known on the Internet.

369 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:47:13am

re: #366 Resistance is futile. You'll be discombobulated.

Lookin at that vid again... that sucks ass. Do you think anything can or will be done about it?

370 iossarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:48:31am

re: #369 Slumbering Behemoth

Lookin at that vid again... that sucks ass. Do you think anything can or will be done about it?

My prediction:

- guy in black jacket taken out and shot
- Putin still wins by 94%

371 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:48:43am

re: #369 Slumbering Behemoth

A couple of cases may be investigated just to show fairness, but 64% will remain 64%.

372 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:49:48am

re: #370 iossarian

94% is at that station. Gen. result is 64%.

373 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:49:49am

re: #371 Resistance is futile. You'll be discombobulated.

I haz a sad for y'all. That shit ain't right at all.

374 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:50:07am

re: #361 Killgore Trout

I thought of you this weekend when I saw Goon.

[Embedded content]
Pretty good hockey movie. Well worth watching if you haven't seen it yet.

I may have to buy that one after I get a new TV. I plan on finally buying a flat screen soon. I still have the old fashion TVs in my house.

375 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:52:10am

re: #374 NJDhockeyfan

My mom noticed a dip in her electric bill when she replaced her old, busted CRT with a flat screen. Heh, she watches a lot of tv, even when she's sleeping.

376 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:54:13am

I caught Imus this morning for about 5 minutes just in time to see this.

Don Imus On Rush Limbaugh: ‘He’s A Fat, Gutless, Pill-Popping Loser’

377 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:55:12am

re: #325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, after spending the weekend in traction over my equivalent of an "Owie", I saw this story on ESPN this morning. So, I just demolished my wife's bathroom and am going to do a surprise renovation for her today.

If I don't finish before she gets home, and gets mad at me? I'll blame this guy.

Ok, I"m feeling really wimpy now.

378 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:57:17am

re: #377 ggt

Ok, I"m feeling really wimpy now.

I watched that story with my 9 year old daughter this morning. Very inspiring.

379 darthstar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:57:48am

Mornin' Lizardlandia... Hope everyone had a good weekend. I did...skied my ass off in hot weather and got to run sleds on a number of wrecks - six year old boy hit by a snowboarder was my favorite...and he wasn't hurt bad, just scared.

Feelin' good.

380 iossarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:57:56am

re: #371 Resistance is futile. You'll be discombobulated.

A couple of cases may be investigated just to show fairness, but 64% will remain 64%.

That's basically what I meant.

I'm reading Tony Judt's "Postwar" at the moment. Really well-written history of postwar Europe.

There's very interesting and relevant detail about Soviet bloc elections. In Yugoslavia they had two urns: "Tito" and "Opposition". And a guy behind the table checking which urn you put your ballot in.

"Um, Tito, please."

381 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:58:27am
382 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:58:29am

re: #345 Charleston Chew

When I was 19, I went to a boring amateur performance of No Exit with this chick I was trying to bang...

Aw, shit, does that mean I'm a Marxist? And I didn't even know it. That's how easy it is. It could happen to you!

Around 1968 I went to a college radical fundraiser to get my anticolonialist creds in place. The film was Battle of Algiers. Thirty-five years later our HQDA staff was watching it in the Pentagon, to learn how not to fight a war in Iraq. Sometimes it's hard to keep up.

383 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:05:41am
384 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:08:32am

re: #378 NJDhockeyfan

I watched that story with my 9 year old daughter this morning. Very inspiring.

It's amazing how quickly you get used to seeing him like that, how quickly the pity drops away and he's just impressive.

385 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:11:08am

re: #380 iossarian

That's basically what I meant.

Another correction: the bald guy is more likely to get a medal than a bullet ;)

I'm reading Tony Judt's "Postwar" at the moment. Really well-written history of postwar Europe.

There's very interesting and relevant detail about Soviet bloc elections. In Yugoslavia they had two urns: "Tito" and "Opposition". And a guy behind the table checking which urn you put your ballot in.

"Um, Tito, please."

Heh. Reminds me of a certain Austrian referendum ;)

Recently some documents came to light as to how the Soviets arranged elections in post-war Poland. Extremely fascinating. MGB agents describe in detail how many signatures on protocols they forged, etc., etc.

386 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:11:32am
IN THE DAYS AFTER the death of Andrew Breitbart, perhaps the question can be phrased this way: "What would Andrew do?" Well, first, he would suggest you go to one of his sites to learn the facts -- and in this case a very interesting fact about Sandra Fluke's view of free speech.

Read all the glorious derp here.

387 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:13:27am

Police estimating 14000 at the Pushkinskaya square, but they always underestimate the oppo meetings.

388 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:16:17am

These people truly live in an alternate reality:

389 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:16:45am

What?


State Senator: Single Parenthood Is Child Abuse

Can you guess what state?

390 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:17:26am
391 iossarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:18:29am

re: #390 Lidane

Breaking: Bryan Fisher thinks Big Bird is the debbil.

392 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:18:45am

re: #390 Lidane

I just love how "G-d's" word is always interpreted by MEN. And that interpretation cannot be challenged.

/gah

393 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:19:24am

re: #390 Lidane

Imam Obama sounds like the chorus from a Lion King song.

394 allegro  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:20:44am

re: #388 Lidane

These people truly live in an alternate reality:

Definition of an asshole: structure from which stinking fecal waste emerges daily. Fisher outed himself.

395 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:21:44am

re: #393 Obdicut

Imam Obama sounds like the chorus from a Lion King song.

President Obama Official Birth Video!

396 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:22:45am

Secular Sharia? Fischer is becoming a parody of himself.

Next up: a Godless Pantheon.

397 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:23:55am

re: #396 Slumbering Behemoth

Secular Sharia? Fischer is becoming a parody of himself.

Next up: a Godless Pantheon.

Right, yet you have to rmemember his audience reads only one Book and watches Reality TV the rest of the week.

398 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:23:58am

re: #395 Learned Mother of Zion

Nice slam on Fox, too. Mocking them to their faces. Nice.

399 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:24:33am

re: #398 Obdicut

Nice slam on Fox, too. Mocking them to their faces. Nice.

Especially on Donald Trump.

400 iossarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:24:42am

re: #395 Learned Mother of Zion

President Obama Official Birth Video!

I love the shot of Trump looking stony-faced. What an ass.

401 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:25:00am

re: #390 Lidane

What in the hell. Parody's got nothing on reality. Beam me up, Scotty, there is no intelligent life down here.

402 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:25:26am

re: #395 Learned Mother of Zion

Holy crap. POTUS busting out with the comedy. Nice.

403 wiffersnapper  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:26:26am

It's all over! Oh noes!

404 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:26:35am

re: #392 ggt

I just love how "G-d's" word is always interpreted by MEN. And that interpretation cannot be challenged.

/gah

Funny thing is, it was exactly this sort of legalistic bullshit that Jesus was against in the first place. But, heaven forbid that we point that out, lest we be called backslidden or heretics or simply burned at the stake.

405 Artist  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:26:54am

re: #390 Lidane

Secular Sharia...? That's an oxymoron, moron.

406 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:27:40am

re: #401 thedopefishlives

I don't always...

407 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:32:04am

Well, I have to be productive.

No Excuses.

Have a great day all!

408 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:33:39am

re: #376 NJDhockeyfan

I caught Imus this morning for about 5 minutes just in time to see this.

Don Imus On Rush Limbaugh: ‘He’s A Fat, Gutless, Pill-Popping Loser’

Who can say it like it is? Only another tasteless radio king.

409 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:34:26am

re: #359 Bulworth

This truly is devastating. But as is typical, not one word about this shocking expose in the lamestream media. /

That's why it's lamestream. It's still getting out of bed when the truth is already halfway around the world.
;)

410 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:34:43am

It was a great demo. So many people came after the work. I think the fuckers didn't expect so many, thought everybody is exhausted and dispirited.

411 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:35:37am

re: #410 Saint Putin on a Toast

I've been watching it. Doesn't look like the resistance lacks energy.

412 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:37:35am

re: #391 iossarian

Breaking: Bryan Fisher thinks Big Bird is the debbil.

Nope. Big Bird is a naive secularist. Snuffleupagus is the debbil.

413 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:38:24am
414 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:39:50am

re: #405 Sonic the Hedgehog

Secular Sharia...? That's an oxymoron, moron.

Don't be so hard on the guy. On the spur of the moment, he had to come up with the two most evil things he could think of. It's not his fault he sounds like an idiot. He doesn't have a speech writer.
/

415 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:45:11am

re: #411 Obdicut

Next is March 10.
I don't know for how long people will be gathering, after all one gets tired after a while.
On the other hand, the opposition has shown that unlike in the previous years, many people are fed up. The process may take years, but positive developments - like a true opposition party, "good" propaganda etc. - may yet happen.

416 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:50:16am

re: #177 Gus

Dyslexia? Don't you mean ?

No nurse, I said 'prick his boil'

417 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:50:21am
418 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:53:18am

Conservative 'Pro-Family' Groups Silent on Rush Limbaugh's Sexist Outbursts

The Media Research Center criticized everyone from Perez Hilton and Gossip Girl to the cast of Jersey Shore for using the word “slut,” but after right-wing talk show host tagged law student and women’s rights advocate Sandra Fluke as a “slut” and a “prostitute,” the group that claims to stand up for “people and institutions that hold traditional values” has repeatedly come to Limbaugh’s defense. MRC’s Scott Whitlock said NBC’s depiction of Limbaugh’s sexist remarks as “ugly” represented “a left-wing attack” and Brent Baker dubbed coverage of Limbaugh’s rant a “left-wing effort to impugn and silence Rush Limbaugh.” The American Family Association’s Bryan Fischer and Liberty Counsel’s Matt Barber even tweeted in defense of Limbaugh, Barber even saying that Limbaugh “showed class.”

419 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:56:02am

This is all a left wing attack on free speech by the Soros funded media.

Rush was just being absurd.

420 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:57:10am

re: #418 jaunte

Conservative 'Pro-Family' Groups Silent on Rush Limbaugh's Sexist Outbursts

Because the only families they give a damn about are the ones that agree with them.

421 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:59:53am
Focus on the Family considers the word “slut” a profanity and blamed “hip-hop/rap culture” for making it “become acceptable and even in vogue to be called a ‘slut,’” and urged people to stop buying music with words like “slut” that “objectify women.” But the organization still hasn’t commented on Limbaugh’s misogynist rants. In 2009 the group defended Limbaugh with a video, “When the liberals came for Rush.”
422 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:00:10am

5 percent oppose attack on Iran, Pew finds

Five percent of U.S. adults asked told pollsters they opposed military action against Iranian nuclear facilities, a polling company reported.

The Pew Research Center said 5 percent of those taking part in a mid-February telephone survey said they opposed using military action to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon.

423 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:01:02am
424 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:01:37am

It is strange how Soros been created as a catch all evil entity, the embodiment of pure leftist evil from with all further leftist evil grows.

425 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:01:50am

re: #418 jaunte

Conservative 'Pro-Family' Groups Silent on Rush Limbaugh's Sexist Outbursts

Matt Barber and the Liberty Council? He's part of who is behind Awakening 2012 which Benjamin Netanyahu is supposed to send a video message to this year.

426 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:01:50am

re: #422 Killgore Trout

5 percent oppose attack on Iran, Pew finds

Translation: 95% of people don't realize what attacking Iran would actually entail.

427 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:02:37am

re: #423 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Pow!

428 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:02:54am

re: #422 Killgore Trout

Does the article have any other stats that you may have inadvertently omitted?

429 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:05:39am

re: #422 Killgore Trout

5 percent oppose attack on Iran, Pew finds

That's a shitty headline. Here's the poll
Public Takes Strong Stance Against Iran's Nuclear Program

The public supports tough measures – including the possible use of military force – to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. Nearly six-in-ten (58%) say it is more important to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons, even if it means taking military action. Just 30% say it is more important to avoid a military conflict with Iran, even if it means that country develops nuclear weapons. These opinions are little changed from October 2009.

There have been reports in recent weeks that Israel may soon attack Iran’s nuclear facilities. About half of Americans (51%) say the United States should remain neutral if Israel takes action to stop Iran’s nuclear program, but far more say the U.S. should support (39%) than oppose (5%) an Israeli attack.

430 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:06:01am

[Link: pewresearch.org...]

51% - Most Americans Want U.S. to Stay Neutral if Israel Attacks Iran

About half of Americans (51%) say the U.S. should stay neutral if Israel attacks Iran's nuclear facilities to prevent it from developing a weapon. Nearly four-in-ten (39%) say the U.S. should support Israel, while just 5% say the U.S. should oppose military action.

The issue of Iran's nuclear ambitions, and what to do about them, are expected to be a major topic of discussion when President Obama meets Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the White House today.

There is a wide divide among Republicans on the issue of Iran. Fully 71% of conservative Republicans think the U.S. should support Israel's military action if they attack Iran, compared with 43% of moderate and liberal Republicans. A majority of independents and Democrats (including both liberal and more moderate Democrats) think the U.S. should stay neutral.

While most Americans want the U.S. to stay neutral if Israel attacks Iran, the public supports tough measures -- including the possible use of military force -- to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. Nearly six-in-ten (58%) say it is more important to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons, even if it means taking military action. Just 30% say it is more important to avoid a military conflict with Iran, even if it means that country develops nuclear weapons. These opinions are little changed from October 2009.

431 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:06:25am
432 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:07:12am

re: #428 Saint Putin on a Toast

Does the article have any other stats that you may have inadvertently omitted?

Yeah, I thought something was funky about that story. See #429

433 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:08:18am

re: #431 jaunte

Barber's a real genius:
Barber: Obama 'Might Start Rounding up Priests' and 'Throw Priests in Prison'

434 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:08:42am

The right has studied Alinsky well:

Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it

435 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:09:14am

re: #431 jaunte

Barber's a real genius:
Barber: Obama 'Might Start Rounding up Priests' and 'Throw Priests in Prison'

*sigh*

These people are morons. That kind of paranoia and fail can't be healthy.

436 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:09:17am

If we can pressure the advertisers...

437 Sionainn  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:09:50am

We really need to be listening to Rush live and commenting about it. He's blathering right now about how he's always tried to maintain a high degree of integrity on his broadcast.

438 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:09:51am

re: #435 Lidane

*sigh*

These people are morons. That kind of paranoia and fail can't be healthy.

Yeah, could lead to heart attacks...

439 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:10:20am

re: #435 Lidane

I'd like to see a lot of priests-- and churches-- fined for violations of their tax-free status, given how blatantly they've been involving themselves in politics.

440 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:11:08am

re: #439 Obdicut

I just want to see churches paying taxes. If they're going to involve themselves in politics, let them pay their admission fee like everyone else.

441 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:11:17am

I don't see why religious orgs should be tax-free...

442 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:11:54am

Occupy AIPAC Activists to Protest against Zionism

Occupy AIPAC kicked off the actions in New York City when a member disrupted US President Barack Obama by shouting: "Use your leadership; no war on Iran.”

Occupy AIPAC will urge for a change of pro-Israel, American foreign policy and blocking the influence of wealthy Zionists over the fate of the American people.

Events and protests will draw attention to the role of AIPAC, the most powerful pro-Israel lobby group in Washington, in influencing US policy through its stranglehold over Congress.

"After 10 years of war, the American people need a foreign policy that focuses on diplomacy, but AIPAC takes us down the dangerous path of war with Iran,” Occupy AIPAC organizer Medea Benjamin said.
"We are gathering to demand that our leaders break with AIPAC’s disastrous path of attacking Iran, as well as supporting Israel’s human rights violations and illegal settlements in the West Bank,” said Benjamin.

443 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:12:22am

re: #441 Saint Putin on a Toast

Well, so are flower-arranging societies. Anything non-profit can be tax free, they don't have to be adjudged worthy.

444 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:12:37am

re: #442 NJDhockeyfan

Day late and dollar short. We went through all that nonsense yesterday.

445 Sionainn  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:13:03am

Now, Rush is blathering about how Obama is trying to dictate moral issues to insurance companies...didn't realize that taking birth control was a moral issue.

446 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:13:37am

re: #442 NJDhockeyfan

Occupy AIPAC Activists to Protest against Zionism

They got very excited over the national policy conference this week.

447 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:13:55am

re: #445 Sionainn

I have no idea why they can't understand that monogamous women use the pill too.

448 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:14:57am

re: #446 SanFranciscoZionist

I wonder if the Code Pink women are financially independent, or if they get enough earnest donations to be self-supporting.

449 Sionainn  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:15:14am

re: #447 Obdicut

I have no idea why they can't understand that monogamous women use the pill too.

Uh, I really can't listen to this. He's now explaining how the Democrats played a game with Issa, trying to get someone into his committee to talk about birth control when the issue isn't about birth control.

450 iossarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:15:33am

re: #445 Sionainn

...didn't realize that taking birth control was a moral issue.

Quick question: are you now, or have you ever been, batshit insane?

The answer to your question will help explain a lot about your lack of understanding of right-wing "issues".

451 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:15:36am

re: #447 Obdicut

I have no idea why they can't understand that monogamous women use the pill too.

Because they're stupid.

They seem to think that women have to take birth control every single time they have sex. And they think that only sluts and whores would think to use birth control, and that The Pill only exists to prevent pregnancy. They don't see any other uses for it at all.

452 iossarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:16:39am

re: #451 Lidane

They seem to think that women have to take birth control every single time they have sex.

I thought that got covered in the first five minutes of sex ed.

Oh, wait...

453 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:18:31am

re: #445 Sionainn

Now, Rush is blathering about how Obama is trying to dictate moral issues to insurance companies...didn't realize that taking birth control was a moral issue.

It is, in different ways, for many people. So are a lot of medical decisions. It's better if people don't make moral choices based on what Rush Limbaugh OR an insurance company thinks.

454 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:18:42am

re: #452 iossarian

I thought that got covered in the first five minutes of sex ed.

Oh, wait...

Exactly.

Comprehensive sex ed would have done them all some good. Instead, they took Slut Shaming 101 (i.e., "abstinence only").

455 Sionainn  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:20:16am

Rush: We don't know who these people are that Fluke was talking about.

456 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:20:41am

re: #448 Obdicut

I wonder if the Code Pink women are financially independent, or if they get enough earnest donations to be self-supporting.

Well, Medea has her whole little empire, and I think they have a core paid staff. Others are probably wealthy enough to do the trips...retirees, and people with flexible work schedules.

457 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:21:02am

re: #448 Obdicut

I wonder if the Code Pink women are financially independent, or if they get enough earnest donations to be self-supporting.

Maybe they have a Sugar Mommy.

458 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:21:28am

re: #444 Lidane

Day late and dollar short. We went through all that nonsense yesterday.

Yeah. I tried knocking some sense into Anonymous_Ops to no avail. They're just thumbing their nose at everybody. Their choice and their loss. They'll all remain on the fringes of society.

6 degrees of separation and all that jazz. So the far-left continues to be angry at AIPAC. Obama delivers a very good speech and he still gets hammered by the right wing for not delivering a "Rambo like" speech at AIPAC regarding "bombing Iran." At the same time the puritopians become unhinged that Obama even showed up at AIPAC.

459 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:22:37am
460 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:22:47am

re: #442 NJDhockeyfan

Occupy AIPAC Activists to Protest against Zionism

It was the usual loons from Code Pink, ANWESR, etc. It's really frustrating that the left won't jettison these idiots.

461 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:24:01am

re: #460 Killgore Trout

It was the usual loons from Code Pink, ANWESR, etc. It's really frustrating that the left won't jettison these idiots.

They jettisoned them decades ago. The Democrats haven't listened to the far left since Mondale got humiliated in 1984.

462 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:24:27am
463 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:24:42am

re: #460 Killgore Trout

It was the usual loons from Code Pink, ANWESR, etc. It's really frustrating that the left won't jettison these idiots.

How would the left jettison them?

You realize they're protesting Obama, right?

464 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:25:09am

re: #460 Killgore Trout

It was the usual loons from Code Pink, ANWESR, etc. It's really frustrating that the left won't jettison these idiots.

Hard to define 'the left'. The fringier left IS these idiots.

The mainstream, registered-Democrat left barely knows who these idiots are, and feels no special attachment to them.

There's a very fine strip that could actually cast them out in any way.

465 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:25:49am

re: #461 Lidane

They jettisoned them decades ago. The Democrats haven't listened to the far left since Mondale got humiliated in 1984.

Thankfully the Dems ignore the far left fringes. It's why they're a healthier political party than the Republicans who decided to embrace their loons and give them the keys too the castle.

466 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:25:57am

re: #460 Killgore Trout

It was the usual loons from Code Pink, ANWESR, etc. It's really frustrating that the left won't jettison these idiots.

The left? Really? So you really think that J-Street sides with Code Pink and ANSWER WRT to Israrel?

467 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:27:22am

re: #462 jaunte

Brent has a spine by default doesn't he?

The GOP should consider him in 2016.

468 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:27:23am

re: #465 Killgore Trout

Thankfully the Dems ignore the far left fringes. It's why they're a healthier political party than the Republicans who decided to embrace their loons and give them the keys too the castle.

You mean, the left has jettisoned these idiots?

469 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:27:38am

re: #468 Saint Putin on a Toast

You mean, the left has jettisoned these idiots?

Heh.

470 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:27:56am

re: #431 jaunte

Barber's a real genius:
Barber: Obama 'Might Start Rounding up Priests' and 'Throw Priests in Prison'

I've noticed that Obama might do a lot of things.

Obama might start rounding up priests.
Obama might take away our guns.
Obama might force the Catholic Church to hire women priests.
Obama might be the Antichrist.
Obama might need a mental diagnosis.
Obama might veto the defense bill.
Obama might be a socialist.

Barack Obama: the mightiest President ever.

471 Sionainn  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:28:06am

To Rush Limbaugh:

This issue is not about "religious freedom." If a religious organization takes one penny of government money or makes students purchase a health insurance policy, paid for by the students, they do not have a right to impose their values on the public.

With the utmost contempt,

Me

472 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:28:50am

re: #468 Saint Putin on a Toast

You mean, the left has jettisoned these idiots?

I guess there should have been an official memo published in all the papers under the Soros World Domination Underground letterhead.
/

473 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:29:07am

re: #463 Obdicut

You realize they're protesting Obama, right?

Realizing that would require intellectual honesty instead of just whining about "the left".

474 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:29:36am

re: #463 Obdicut

How would the left jettison them?

You realize they're protesting Obama, right?

I think the best way to get rid of them is to stop supporting the Occupy movement. Not attending rallies or supporting causes organized by these people would be a good place to start.

475 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:30:41am

re: #474 Killgore Trout

I think the best way to get rid of them is to stop supporting the Occupy movement. Not attending rallies or supporting causes organized by these people would be a good place to start.

Well, that's already happened. So, good?

476 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:31:00am

re: #471 Sionainn

To Rush Limbaugh:

This issue is not about "religious freedom." If a religious organization takes one penny of government money or makes students purchase a health insurance policy, paid for by the students, they do not have a right to impose their values on the public.

With the utmost contempt,

Me

They do not have to approve of birth control, they can continue to speak out against it and discourage people from using it. That is still their right.

But they have to make it available. That is the law which applies to everyone.

477 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:31:33am

re: #475 Obdicut

Well, that's already happened. So, good?

Deploy Nancy Pelosi quote WRT to OWS from last year in 3, 2, 1...

//

478 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:31:36am

re: #474 Killgore Trout

The way you use the phrase 'the left' is petty indecipherable.

479 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:31:45am

re: #475 Obdicut

They should also denounce, condemn and refudiate.

480 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:32:22am

re: #475 Obdicut

Well, that's already happened. So, good?

Again, intellectual honesty is needed here. KT's just interested in whining about "the left" and about anything with the Occupy name attached to it.

481 William of Orange  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:34:10am

You can disagree with his politics all you want but at least Ron Paul had the guts to call out Rush Limbaugh.

Ron Paul unimpressed with Limbaugh apology.

Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul expressed doubt on Sunday that conservative radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh truly meant it when he apologized for calling a law student a "slut" over her support for President Barack Obama's new policy on insurance coverage of contraceptives.

"I don't think he's very apologetic. He's doing it because some people were taking their advertisements off his program. It was his bottom line that he was concerned about," Paul told the CBS program "Face the Nation."

"Yes, I think he should have apologized. I had said he used very crude language. And I think he gets over the top at times," added Paul, known for his libertarian views.

Pity he added the words "at times" in that quote or he would have been completely on the money with this one...


Yesterday the tally of advertisers that abandoned the Rush Limbaugh show was six. Today we can add a seventh one!

482 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:35:06am

re: #481 William of Orange

And that the problem goes beyond the language.

483 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:35:29am
484 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:36:02am

Limbaugh is claiming that all the advertisers that left were Democrats.

485 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:36:27am

re: #484 jaunte

Limbaugh is claiming that all the advertisers that left were Democrats.

I'm sure it will be news to all of them.

486 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:36:54am

re: #485 Lidane

Partisanship!

487 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:37:09am

re: #484 jaunte

Limbaugh is claiming that all the advertisers that left were Democrats.

Which isn't true at all.

488 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:37:09am

re: #483 Killgore Trout

AIPAC Works for the 1 Percent

by: Chris Hedges

I take it you liked that piece and posted to share this wisdom with all of us.

489 William of Orange  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:37:15am

re: #484 jaunte

Limbaugh is claiming that all the advertisers that left were Democrats.

The money was not red or blue, it was green.

490 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:37:56am

I was just looking back at Crazy Pam's comments on the Fluke business, and they are a real jaw-dropper.
It's bad enough for a childless old neanderthal like Rush Limbaugh not to know how contraceptives work. For a woman not to know (and Pam apparently doesn't) is beyond the pale.

491 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:38:02am

re: #484 jaunte

Limbaugh is claiming that all the advertisers that left were Democrats.

The Derpus Maximus screed I posted from American Spectator drove the meme that they were Soros inspired minions anyway.

492 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:39:12am

re: #483 Killgore Trout

When you finally get to the point of all your incessant concern trolling, please let us know.

493 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:39:32am

re: #483 Killgore Trout

AIPAC Works for the 1 Percent

by: Chris Hedges

I read that Obama once attended a play in 1983 in which Chris Hedges was in the audience!

//

494 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:39:36am

re: #481 William of Orange

You can disagree with his politics all you want but at least Ron Paul had the guts to call out Rush Limbaugh.

Ron Paul unimpressed with Limbaugh apology.

Pity he added the words "at times" in that quote or he would have been completely on the money with this one...

Yesterday the tally of advertisers that abandoned the Rush Limbaugh show was six. Today we can add a seventh one!

AOL has dropped him for now too. (Suspended. What does suspended mean? To me, it seems to suggest "We'll stop for a week or two and then after things blow over we'll be right back at it.")

495 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:39:38am

re: #484 jaunte

Limbaugh is claiming that all the advertisers that left were Democrats.

He made a bad business decision and now he is paying for it. That's the Free Market in action.

496 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:40:03am

re: #456 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, Medea has her whole little empire, and I think they have a core paid staff. Others are probably wealthy enough to do the trips...retirees, and people with flexible work schedules.

I wonder if this was done by Medea's friends?

Before Obama AIPAC speech, Pro-Hamas graffiti suggests violence

Graffiti reading “Victory to the Taliban,” “Victory to Hamas” and the word “Jihad” written inside a rocket appeared overnight on sidewalks outside the downtown Washington, D.C. convention center where President Barack Obama spoke to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) Sunday.

A trail of graffiti down 7th Street between K and N Streets included the image of a rocket flying through the air with the word “Qassam.” Named after a militant 20th-century Syrian preacher, a Qassam is a rocket preferred by the military arm of Hamas to hit Israeli targets.

Other graffiti said “Victory to Hezballah” and “Victory to Iran,” along with the word “AIPAC” crossed out. Some of the pictures showed rockets striking the word AIPAC.

Some of the roughly 200 protesters who gathered at the convention center to decry the pro-Israel AIPAC gathering condemned the graffiti. Several of the protesters were self-described members of the group Occupy AIPAC.

“I have no idea what this is. I saw these last night. I can assure you none of the people here at Occupy share this sentiment,” said protester Alli McCracken.

“If anything, this is just someone doing this to make us look bad. Last night, we were walking here and we were like, ‘This is crazy, they’re framing us!’ Everyone here is pro-peace, not pro-terrorist groups.”

Palestinian protesters also denied that the graffiti represent their views and hinted at a conspiracy.

497 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:40:08am

General Motors and Rush Limbaugh's non-existent principles
GM is a terrible waste of taxpayer money, until they become a sponsor...

498 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:40:12am

re: #483 Killgore Trout

AIPAC Works for the 1 Percent

by: Chris Hedges

When my local group counterdemoed at an AIPAC dinner in Oakland, one of my colleagues was informed by some women on the other side that 'you are the 1%'.

She's a kindergarten teacher and single mom.

Major, major fail.

499 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:40:56am

re: #484 jaunte

Limbaugh is claiming that all the advertisers that left were Democrats.

Who were content to advertise with Rush Limbaugh until he started screaming "SLUT! SLUT!" every time a young woman walked by him?

500 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:41:54am

re: #493 Gus

I read that Obama once attended a play in 1983 in which Chris Hedges was in the audience!

//

Of course, Obama was in company of Rev. Wright, Rashid Khalidi and Bill Ayers, so they defended him from that Hedges guy.

501 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:43:50am

re: #500 Saint Putin on a Toast

Of course, Obama was in company of Rev. Wright, Rashid Khalidi and Bill Ayers, so they defended him from that Hedges guy.

Damn. Was Studs Terkel there?

502 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:43:58am

I have realized something. Without opining on the efficacy of BHO as President, or judging his legislative priorities, his Presidency is acting as a fantastically strong magnet. All the dirt, filth and slough of almost a hundred ears of Reconstruction is being pulled out of the floorboards, the cracks in the baseboard, the abandoned corners of the collective mind. From under the carpets of the American conscious all the disgisting detritus of slavery, racism, prejudice and simple ugly hate is being dragged out into the open where we are forced to lok at it, to understand it as a reflection of some corner of our collective national soul.

After the Obama Presidency, we wil not be able to simply sweep this vile sludge back into the corner, or under the carpet. We have to deal with it. Have to decide who, and what, we want to be as a society. We cannot make pretend that we are modern, civilized, entitled, worthy of respect while we accept the existence of the Limbaughs, Gellers, McCains and Breitbarts of this world. These base racists, sexistes, chauvinists have risen from some garbage strewn depths and reinvigorated a portion of society - and if we are honest, maybe a little bit of ourselves - that we would prefer to deny exists.

The legacy of the Obama Presidency will not be healthcare reform or financial regulations. It will be bringing Americans face-to-face with the ugly truth that we have not come quite as far in the past 120 years as we would like to think. The fight against this ugliness is only just begun.

503 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:44:43am

re: #501 Gus

Damn. Was Studs Terkel there?

Oh, without doubt. I'm sure Alinsky himself was present in the spirit. It was like a Red-Green Sabbath or something.

504 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:46:23am

re: #503 Saint Putin on a Toast

Oh, without doubt. I'm sure Alinsky himself was present in the spirit. It was like a Red-Green Sabbath or something.

All we need now is to find some connection to ad hoc "unindicted co-conspirator" groups aligned with something or another and we're set!

Obama's goin' down man!

//

505 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:46:40am

O/T and don't know if it's been mentioned but AOL has now dropped advertising on Limbaugh

506 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:46:58am
507 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:47:17am

re: #498 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you know if this bit is true?

I covered Yitzhak Rabin’s 1992 campaign for prime minister when prominent AIPAC donors poured money and resources into Likud to defeat Rabin ... When he made his first visit to Washington after being elected prime minister he dismissed requests from the lobby for a meeting by telling aides: “I don’t speak to scumbags.”

508 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:47:37am

Derp.

509 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:47:59am

re: #504 Gus

All we need now is to find some connection to ad hoc "unindicted co-conspirator" groups aligned with something or another and we're set!

Obama's goin' down man!

//

Oh, that's easy. Take any group that has not ever been indicted - and voila - you got yourself an unindicted group! Then you can attach a conspiracy of your choice.

510 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:48:06am

The New Yorker is great

Image: 4yNPI.jpg

511 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:48:24am

re: #508 Gus

It was helluva speech. Everybody sees in it what they want to see.

512 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:48:41am
513 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:49:12am

re: #496 NJDhockeyfan

I wonder if this was done by Medea's friends?

Before Obama AIPAC speech, Pro-Hamas graffiti suggests violence

I saw that yesterday. There was one pro-Hamas sign at the rally but I suspect that graffiti was probably a wingnut hoax. It really doesn't look like the kind of thing a moonbat or Islamist would write. The fact that the Daily Caller is the only site to "discover it" makes me pretty suspicious. It should be a concern for the Secret Service since it's on DC sidewalks but I don't think anyone else picked up the story.

514 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:52:49am

Everyone is getting in on the act. Good times.

515 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:52:56am

Wow, this is really interesting in retrospect.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

516 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:53:44am

re: #498 SanFranciscoZionist

When my local group counterdemoed at an AIPAC dinner in Oakland, one of my colleagues was informed by some women on the other side that 'you are the 1%'.

She's a kindergarten teacher and single mom.

Major, major fail.

Yeah, I think the 1% meme just too easily morphed into demonizing anyone they could throw into the category. Even when used correctly it still doesn't hold up. I recently checked the exit polls and top earners are still pretty evenly divided between R's and D's. 1% has just become a catch all category to demonize someone as "the other".

517 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:54:31am
518 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:55:51am

Was reading my twitter collection, and noted that there was a bit of a counter-protest/boycott against some of the companies attempting to coalesce, including against Carbonite because they dropped their ad campaigns on Rush.

Who do you think needs the money more? Dr. Laura isn't going to dump sponsors for Rush (she needs the money).

Once again, the business response to Rush's comments (and non-apology apology) is all about money and whether these businesses think that Rush's comments inure to them over the long haul.
[ed update]: Since this is a satellite tv product, we're talking about an endorsement, not a sponsorship - so Dr. Laura isn't profiting here. But if she stops endorsing Carbonite over this, it stakes her to a position that condones Rush's acts.

519 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:56:47am
520 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:58:04am

re: #519 jaunte

He's such an ass. Hope he loses all of his sponsors.

521 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:58:42am

re: #520 Gus

He's such an ass. Hope he loses all of his sponsors.

Why doesn't he just retire and move to Costa Rica like he's been promising to do for years?

522 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:58:45am
523 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:59:20am

re: #518 lawhawk

Once again, the business response to Rush's comments (and non-apology apology) is all about money and whether these businesses think that Rush's comments inure to them over the long haul.

That's one of the reasons I usually don't support these efforts. These forced apologies are meaningless but everybody has to do them to keep their jobs and sponsors. Howard Stern, Don Imus, Rush Limbaugh, etc. don't make much of a secret that these apologies are meaningless.

524 Sionainn  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:59:38am

re: #522 Lidane

Why the fuck does it have to be anyone's "fault"?

525 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:59:42am

re: #521 Learned Mother of Zion

Costa Rica is one of the more socialist, green countries in Central/South America. It's always funny to me that wingnuts talk about it.

526 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:00:14am

re: #523 Killgore Trout

He's capable of giving an actual apology. He just won't, because he's a terrible human being.

527 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:00:45am

re: #523 Killgore Trout

Then they continue to lose sponsors. And they think twice before saying another bigoted things.

528 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:01:45am

re: #524 Sionainn

Why the fuck does it have to be anyone's "fault"?

More to the point, if it's God's will that your house gets flattened by a tornado that he created and that he's sending to your area, who are you to contradict that by praying that the tornadoes stop?

I'm being sarcastic, of course, but the question stands. If the weather and tornadoes are God's will, what good does prayer do in that situation?

529 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:01:47am

re: #526 Obdicut

He's capable of giving an actual apology. He just won't, because he's a terrible human being.

Agreed. That's why his audience listens to him.

530 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:03:11am

re: #522 Lidane

Pray away the tornadoes? Really. Those who died deserved it because they didn't pray sufficiently? How about the toddler whose entire immediate family was wiped out and she survived for a few days? That's somehow her fault too?

I don't have a weather control satellite, which would be the only way to stop such a disaster (wishful thinking there).

Praying doesn't precisely zip to create favorable weather conditions. Wishful thinking doesn't mean that tomorrow will be nice and fair weather.

What an absolute loon.

531 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:03:16am

re: #527 Saint Putin on a Toast

Then they continue to lose sponsors. And they think twice before saying another bigoted things.

I would rather have him out in the open than trying to hide his views with self censorship.

532 iossarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:03:21am

I don't ever ask my kids to apologize when they're misbehaving, because why bother?

They don't really mean it.

/

533 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:03:30am

re: #529 Killgore Trout

Agreed. That's why his audience listens to him.

And so he'll lose more sponsors, and if he gains new one, they'll be places like Goldline and other scamsters.

534 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:03:58am

re: #531 Killgore Trout

I would rather have him out in the open than trying to hide his views with self censorship.

Why? That's not good for society.

535 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:04:05am

re: #507 Obdicut

Do you know if this bit is true?

Never heard of it before. A quick search seems to lead all references back to Hedge, so--could be, couldn't be.

From another source: [Link: www.nytimes.com...]

536 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:04:13am

re: #533 Obdicut

And so he'll lose more sponsors, and if he gains new one, they'll be places like Goldline and other scamsters.

Gooold!

537 iossarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:04:30am

re: #531 Killgore Trout

I would rather have him out in the open than trying to hide his views with self censorship.

Are you serious? You would rather have bigots making racist/sexist/homophobic comments "out in the open", than realizing that such views are unacceptable and "self-censoring"?

That makes not a single lick of sense.

538 Sionainn  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:04:39am

re: #528 Lidane

More to the point, if it's God's will that your house gets flattened by a tornado that he created and that he's sending to your area, who are you to contradict that by praying that the tornadoes stop?

I'm being sarcastic, of course, but the question stands. If the weather and tornadoes are God's will, what good does prayer do in that situation?

Exactly. There's no logic involved. Maybe that's why I'm an atheist. I just can't wrap my mind around any of that stuff.

539 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:04:59am

re: #531 Killgore Trout

I would rather have him out in the open than trying to hide his views with self censorship.

That makes zero sense. He spreads hateful propaganda. It's better for hateful propaganda not to be spread. It'd be best if he didn't think that way, of course, but failing that, obviously it'd be better for the country if he shut the fuck up.

Why do you think him talking is so valuable?

540 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:05:26am

No doubt Limbaugh probably has attained record ratings today. Weird.

541 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:05:33am

re: #529 Killgore Trout

I wonder how much of his audience likes listening to him because they agree with what he says, and how many are listening because they can't wait to see what kind of outrageous stuff he's going to say next (the Howard Stern effect). Either way, many a brain cell are being wasted on Rush that could be far more productive.

542 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:05:43am

re: #522 Lidane

Well, at least Pat is also tasteless and assaholic when white people are getting hit with the wrath of God. That's something, I guess.

543 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:06:18am

re: #535 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, seems circular. But that article is pretty freaking amazing, in how hostile Rabin was towards AIPAC. Good reminder the Israeli-US Jew relationship has never been a simple one.

544 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:06:37am

re: #514 Gus

Everyone is getting in on the act. Good times.

[Embedded content]

Except by my analysis, Israel attacking Iran winds up helping Obama instead of hurting him.

The nutshell is that we don't dump wartime presidents. That he'll be able to say he's reacting to an emergency wrought by others is to his further benefit.

If Israel attacks, Iran will have no political option but to respond, somehow. Since they can't attack directly their only responses are against a proxy (us) or by economic threats (a la "Until the nations of the world punish Israel for this unprovoked aggression, we shall have no choice but to restrict the flow of oil through our straits.") All responses that don't have nations laughing at the helpless bring us into the fight.

For what it's worth, I think this is why Israel won't attack until after the elections (if they do). Netanyahu would rather work with any of the Republicans than with Obama.

545 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:08:01am

re: #531 Killgore Trout

I would rather have him out in the open than trying to hide his views with self censorship.

I like how he is defining the GOP party.

546 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:08:11am

re: #542 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, at least Pat is also tasteless and assaholic when white people are getting hit with the wrath of God. That's something, I guess.

Pat is an equal opportunity asshole.

547 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:09:54am

re: #546 Simply Sarah

Pat is an equal opportunity asshole.

Well, this can go on the list with what he said about Haiti as stuff I will always hold against him.

548 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:10:02am

Rush Limbaugh:

Against my own instincts, against my own knowledge, against everything that I know to be right and wrong, I descended to their level when I used those two words to describe Sandra Fluke. That was my error.

549 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:10:29am

re: #547 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, this can go on the list with what he said about Haiti as stuff I will always hold against him.

He's basically a lower-energy version of Fred Phelps.

550 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:10:45am

I'm sorry! Wasn't my fault. You see, I descended to their level. I was following "their rules" and I was mistaken.

//

551 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:11:27am

re: #547 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, this can go on the list with what he said about Haiti as stuff I will always hold against him.

At this point, I basically just hold his entire existence against him. Look easier to keep track of that way.

552 iossarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:11:35am

re: #548 Gus

Rush Limbaugh:

Against my own instincts, against my own knowledge, against everything that I know to be right and wrong, I descended to their level when I used those two words to describe Sandra Fluke. That was my error.

The tiniest violin, please for rich white male victim Rush.

553 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:11:35am

OMON is trying to disperse the rest of the demonstration (live):

[Link: rt.com...]

555 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:12:09am

re: #537 iossarian

Are you serious? You would rather have bigots making racist/sexist/homophobic comments "out in the open", than realizing that such views are unacceptable and "self-censoring"?

That makes not a single lick of sense.

Sure it does. I like to know what people are about. I don't want to take someone's opinions and thoughts seriously only to later learn that they're a racist or an antisemite. I'd rather people be open about their views so I can determine who I'm listening to. Censorship (enforced or self imposed) only drives hateful ideas underground. I'd rather they be out in the open.

556 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:13:00am

re: #548 Gus

I think he's too angry and egotistical to stop.

557 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:14:04am

Fail! So much for taking personal responsibility.

Wingnut victimhood at its finest.

558 iossarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:14:21am

re: #555 Killgore Trout

Sure it does. I like to know what people are about. I don't want to take someone's opinions and thoughts seriously only to later learn that they're a racist or an antisemite. I'd rather people be open about their views so I can determine who I'm listening to. Censorship (enforced or self imposed) only drives hateful ideas underground. I'd rather they be out in the open.

If you ran a site like LGF, would you censor comments?

559 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:14:28am

re: #548 Gus

Rush Limbaugh:

Against my own instincts, against my own knowledge, against everything that I know to be right and wrong, I descended to their level when I used those two words to describe Sandra Fluke. That was my error.

OK, I don't even know where to start on this. I'm not going to stand for anyone calling a woman a slut, regardless of where their politics are. I think I've made that plenty clear to everyone here.

And, once again, he's not apologizing for the thinking behind the comments or, really, even the comments himself. Disgusting misogynistic asshole.

560 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:14:55am

re: #555 Killgore Trout

Why the hell should have a radio show, though? Seriously, dude, where is the benefit in that?

It's a good thing to drive hateful ideas underground. That way, fewer people are influenced by them.

It's not academic, these things are not just curiosities. Shit like this has real, human consequences.

561 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:15:07am

Man, I just paged this.

Robertson: Tornadoes could have been stopped by prayer

Getting hit by a tornado = your fault
Getting raped = God’s will

562 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:15:11am

re: #553 Saint Putin on a Toast

OMON is trying to disperse the rest of the demonstration (live):

[Link: rt.com...]

It's such a bummer we aren't seeing the same scenes in Iran. There doesn't seem to be any reaction to the election results there.

563 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:16:06am

re: #555 Killgore Trout

It is all in the open. Now time to stop.

564 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:16:15am

re: #561 Kragar

Man, I just paged this.

Robertson: Tornadoes could have been stopped by prayer

Getting hit by a tornado = your fault
Getting raped = God’s will

If you gave Pat Robertson an enema, you could bury him in a matchbox.

565 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:17:09am

re: #558 iossarian

If you ran a site like LGF, would you censor comments?

Yes. Fundamentally, I do not believe in the value of unmitigated free speech. Just because thoughts exist, does not give them some right to be heard. Society has the right to impose a filter on speech, much as it does on actions. Think of it as a harmful weed; just because the seeds exist, does not mean I must permit them to be sown. I know that this is not a popular position, but, there you have it.

566 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:17:12am

re: #548 Gus

Rush Limbaugh:

Against my own instincts, against my own knowledge, against everything that I know to be right and wrong, I descended to their level when I used those two words to describe Sandra Fluke. That was my error.

I've read dozens of posts over the last week or so calling Sandra Fluke a slut.

Interestingly, none of them appear to have been from lefties.

567 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:17:12am

Rush this morning:

I'm the victim, Advertisers hate the listeners, Liberal extortion, double standard, liberals never apologize, liberals hate women, blah blah blah

568 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:17:22am

re: #546 Simply Sarah

Pat is an equal opportunity asshole.

Well...to Pat the pie-chart of the world is split into (1) himself; (2) people that, retroactively, must be sinners such that God's punishing them; and (3) people who might be okay...but maybe God will hit them with a tornado tomorrow, in which case there must be a reason.

He's basically a witch doctor with better tech support.

569 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:18:08am

I like this Rush better.

570 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:18:24am

re: #562 Killgore Trout

It's such a bummer we aren't seeing the same scenes in Iran. There doesn't seem to be any reaction to the election results there.

The opposition has been decimated and reduced to a small shadow of what it used to be.

571 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:18:44am

re: #560 Obdicut

Why the hell should have a radio show, though? Seriously, dude, where is the benefit in that?

It's a good thing to drive hateful ideas underground. That way, fewer people are influenced by them.

It's not academic, these things are not just curiosities. Shit like this has real, human consequences.

Because some people want to listen to him. It's not for me to decide what other people listen to. I don't think it's a good idea to drive hateful ideas underground. It doesn't make them go away. The europeans make it illegal to deny the holocaust but the deniers are still around. Banning books and ideas doesn't work. I can't think of a historical example where it did work.

572 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:18:47am

Sorry Rush. If I act like an asshole it's nobody's fault but my own. It certainly wouldn't be "the right wing's fault." Major fail on "personal responsibility 101". Keep trying.

573 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:18:55am

re: #555 Killgore Trout

Sure it does. I like to know what people are about. I don't want to take someone's opinions and thoughts seriously only to later learn that they're a racist or an antisemite. I'd rather people be open about their views so I can determine who I'm listening to. Censorship (enforced or self imposed) only drives hateful ideas underground. I'd rather they be out in the open.

I disagree, though I understand the principle. Put simply, failing to object and act against it is doing nothing. At that point the allegedly Burkeian quote applies: doing nothing lets evil triumph.

574 Sionainn  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:19:13am

re: #567 Kragar

Rush this morning:

I'm the victim, Advertisers hate the listeners, Liberal extortion, double standard, liberals never apologize, liberals hate women, blah blah blah

Waahh, waahh, waahh.

575 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:19:31am

re: #562 Killgore Trout

It's such a bummer we aren't seeing the same scenes in Iran. There doesn't seem to be any reaction to the election results there.

Didn't they try that a few years ago and the world did nothing but watch? I think that's when Twitter became noticed.

576 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:20:46am

re: #571 Killgore Trout

Oh gee. Now you go with the usual trick of mixing attacks against free speech (making something illegal) with the opposite free speech which doesn't infringe on anyone's rights.

577 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:20:54am

re: #548 Gus

Rush Limbaugh:

Against my own instincts, against my own knowledge, against everything that I know to be right and wrong, I descended to their level when I used those two words to describe Sandra Fluke. That was my error.

Image: homerfail.jpg

578 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:21:21am

What just happened? OMON retreated locally?

579 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:21:47am

re: #571 Killgore Trout

Because some people want to listen to him. It's not for me to decide what other people listen to. I don't think it's a good idea to drive hateful ideas underground. It doesn't make them go away. The europeans make it illegal to deny the holocaust but the deniers are still around. Banning books and ideas doesn't work. I can't think of a historical example where it did work.

Except most people are not saying "Force him off the air!" What is being said is "If you want our business, you'd better not associate with this guy." Granted, this can be and often has been abused for ill means, but that doesn't mean the idea itself is wrong.

Let's replace Rush with something even more offensive. Should there be no backlash for sponsoring, say, a KKK rally or Neo-Nazis or Stalinists or something? And yes, I know the last one doesn't make a lot of sense.

580 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:21:53am

re: #575 NJDhockeyfan

Didn't they try that a few years ago and the world did nothing but watch? I think that's when Twitter became noticed.

Well, sort of. They didn't succeed but I think they may have been the source of the Arab Spring although the Iranians unfortunately not reaping the benefits.

581 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:22:37am

re: #571 Killgore Trout

Because some people want to listen to him.

So fucking what?

It's not for me to decide what other people listen to.

That's not what is being talked about, is it?

I don't think it's a good idea to drive hateful ideas underground.

I'm sorry, I don't know what to say. That's fucking staggeringly naive.

Obviously, propaganda has been part of some of the horrific crimes against humanity. Propaganda allowed slavery to continue, propaganda against Jews allowed the mass murder and persecution of Jews. Propaganda is real, and powerful, and should be treated as such, and confronted.

I haven't mentioned banning a damn thing, so please stop pretending I have. You tried to posit this as a free speech issue the other day, and you're right; it's completely free speech to speak out against hateful speech, confront it, and to try to get other people to speak out against it.

You've got such a bizarre, passive view of this. Again: These things have real world consequences. Nobody is a bystander.

582 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:23:18am

*sigh*

583 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:23:24am

re: #579 Simply Sarah

Except most people are not saying "Force him off the air!" What is being said is "If you want our business, you'd better not associate with this guy." Granted, this can be and often has been abused for ill means, but that doesn't mean the idea itself is wrong.

Let's replace Rush with something even more offensive. Should there be no backlash for sponsoring, say, a KKK rally or Neo-Nazis or Stalinists or something? And yes, I know the last one doesn't make a lot of sense.

Oh, let's be more effective.

Should there be a backlash against sponsors of OWS or the Tea Party?

584 A Mom Anon  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:23:25am

I keep hearing how cheap birth control pills are at Walmart and if women can't afford that something must be wrong with them. The discounted drugs at Walmart are generics. I am not sure,but from what I can remember birth control pills are not generics. They also vary by drug maker and individual type as to the cost. There are not just one or two types or brands. There is a list on Web MD that has at least 50 and I am underestimating that. I see no generic names there. I ran a few of those names through the WalMart pharmacy website to see if the qualified for the cheap prices and none of them did because they had no generic equivalent.

This irks the crap out of me. I've heard it half a dozen times this morning on TV and several more on the radio. It's also insurance companies,NOT the taxpayer that pays for this. And,btw where the hell are the drug and insurance companies on this? It would be nice to hear them say something FFS.

God this annoys the snot out of me.

585 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:23:49am

re: #560 Obdicut

Why the hell should have a radio show, though? Seriously, dude, where is the benefit in that?

It's a good thing to drive hateful ideas underground. That way, fewer people are influenced by them.

It's not academic, these things are not just curiosities. Shit like this has real, human consequences.

We have to ask ourselves, why has Rush been so popular for so long? It's not just him, obviously he tapped into a market that was and is huge. Right or wrong, it's big ratings/big money. No listeners no dollars.

586 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:23:53am

re: #583 kirkspencer

Oh, let's be more effective.

Should there be a backlash against sponsors of OWS or the Tea Party?

I was trying not to go there. :P

587 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:24:09am

re: #441 Saint Putin on a Toast

I don't see why religious orgs should be tax-free...

Representation without taxation. Nice gig if you can get it.

588 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:24:31am

re: #559 Simply Sarah

OK, I don't even know where to start on this. I'm not going to stand for anyone calling a woman a slut, regardless of where their politics are. I think I've made that plenty clear to everyone here.

And, once again, he's not apologizing for the thinking behind the comments or, really, even the comments himself. Disgusting misogynistic asshole.

He's so full of it:

Against my own instincts, against my own knowledge, against everything that I know to be right and wrong, I descended to their level when I used those two words to describe Sandra Fluke. That was my error.

That is opposite of reality. Calling Fluke a slut was his instinct. He thought it to be OK.

He's a terrible person. I am ashamed I listened to him in the early 90's.

589 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:24:43am

re: #584 A Mom Anon

I saw that talking point pop up yesterday. It's entirely besides the point what they cost at Walmart. They should be covered under health insurance like other medication. Since they're preventative, and widely used, having them as no co-pay is a good idea.

590 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:25:16am

re: #588 Kronocide

Against his own instincts, for three straight days.

591 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:25:44am

re: #582 Lidane

*sigh*

I think that, as a general rule, if Concerned Women for America is opposed to something, I should probably be strongly in favour of it. Which isn't to say I think even the modified Violence Against Women Act is perfect, far from it, but to basically dismiss it out of hand? What the hell?

592 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:26:11am

Well, Rush, good going.

You managed to totally derail the topic of what an insurance plan should or should not cover, and now it's all about you, and about misogyny and why men who have sex out of wedlock are allowed to call women who have sex out of wedlock bad names.

Can the adults in the room go back to talking?

593 iossarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:26:35am

re: #555 Killgore Trout

Sure it does. I like to know what people are about. I don't want to take someone's opinions and thoughts seriously only to later learn that they're a racist or an antisemite. I'd rather people be open about their views so I can determine who I'm listening to. Censorship (enforced or self imposed) only drives hateful ideas underground. I'd rather they be out in the open.

I'm going to revisit this. If you truly believe this, why do you keep saying that people should disassociate themselves from the Occupy movement? Isn't that the same thing as encouraging advertisers to pull out of Rush's daily hatefest?

594 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:27:01am

re: #583 kirkspencer

Oh, let's be more effective.

Should there be a backlash against sponsors of OWS or the Tea Party?

Interesting question. I don't support these causes by not attending the rallies. I would still buy Ben and Jerry's ice cream even though they support OWS. It's delicious but I don't agree with their politics. I don't like Rush so I don't listen to his show. If enough people did that he's be off the air but I'm not going to pressure his advertisers to drop a program I don't even listen to.

595 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:27:15am

re: #581 Obdicut

Replying to your post because you replied to all other relevant posts.

I have a problem with American society's reliance on economic exigencies to provide and guarantee balance in speech and thought. The assumption seems to be that acceptable, worthwhile thought attracts revenue whereas detrimental thought does not. First, that is not true. Look at what the Koch brothers fund with their Big Red Hate machine. Then, consider that, if it did work, would that be how you wanted to pass collective judgment over thought and speech. "Oh, it'll stop if I pressure his advertisers". NO. The source has to be attacked. Rush, not Sleep Train. Breitbart, not whoever advertises on his sites.

596 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:27:45am

re: #592 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Well, Rush, good going.

You managed to totally derail the topic of what an insurance plan should or should not cover, and now it's all about you, and about misogyny and why men who have sex out of wedlock are allowed to call women who have sex out of wedlock bad names.

Can the adults in the room go back to talking?

To be entirely fair to Rush, it wasn't the most adult conversation even before he injected himself in the middle of it all.

597 A Mom Anon  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:27:46am

re: #589 Obdicut

That too. I've never in my life heard anyone ever bitch about ANY medication being covered by insurance until this crap started.

598 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:28:15am

re: #595 Phlebas

I'm not making an economic argument.

599 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:28:42am

re: #503 Saint Putin on a Toast

Oh, without doubt. I'm sure Alinsky himself was present in the spirit. It was like a Red-Green Sabbath or something.

How much duct tape was used up at this event?

600 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:29:32am

re: #593 iossarian

I'm going to revisit this. If you truly believe this, why do you keep saying that people should disassociate themselves from the Occupy movement? Isn't that the same thing as encouraging advertisers to pull out of Rush's daily hatefest?

See #594. I don't support OWS so I don't attend the rallies. I'm not going to pressure financial supporters to cut off their support. I don't like Rush so I don't listen. I'm not going to pressure advertisers to drop a program that I don't listen to. They can support whatever they want.

601 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:30:12am

re: #597 A Mom Anon

That too. I've never in my life heard anyone ever bitch about ANY medication being covered by insurance until this crap started.

I mean, I've heard complaints about covering $100,000 a year meds of questionable value, but that's pretty damn valid and involves spending. This is about medication that actually lowers costs being offered, which is the exact opposite of the above.

602 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:30:21am

re: #598 Obdicut

Again, I was not responding directly to you, just adding my thoughts to the sub-thread, since you had replied to relevant posts. It was simpler than scrolling all over the page.

603 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:31:08am

re: #600 Killgore Trout

Isolationism.

604 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:31:22am

re: #600 Killgore Trout

You really, really, really remind me of the people I met at OWS, the ideological non-voters. The ones who made the whole thing a pointless failure.

605 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:32:04am

re: #571 Killgore Trout

Because some people want to listen to him. It's not for me to decide what other people listen to. I don't think it's a good idea to drive hateful ideas underground. It doesn't make them go away. The europeans make it illegal to deny the holocaust but the deniers are still around. Banning books and ideas doesn't work. I can't think of a historical example where it did work.

Nobody's "banning" Rush, though.

Businesses are making a cost/benefit decision about advertising on Rush's show. They did the math and decided they'd lose more money being associated with him than they'd gain in sales by continuing the affiliation.

Rush went too far beyond dog whistles and said something that made his clientele--the advertisers--re-assess his show as a vehicle for their products.

That's not oppression, silencing, or suppression by a liberal agenda. The dude damaged his own asset value, and now he's griping that it's everybody's fault but his.

606 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:32:09am

re: #604 Obdicut

You really, really, really remind me of the people I met at OWS, the ideological non-voters. The ones who made the whole thing a pointless failure.

lol

607 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:32:46am

From the Los Angeles Times:

Sandra Fluke: Rush Limbaugh's Apology Doesn't Change Anything

The 30-year-old Georgetown law student noted in a Monday appearance on "The View" that Limbaugh had only apologized for his choice of words, as she sought to refocus the discussion on access to contraceptives being a matter of women's rights.

Limbaugh goes into the sewer, and Fluke opts to not follow him there.

Awesome.

608 iossarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:34:58am

re: #600 Killgore Trout

See #594. I don't support OWS so I don't attend the rallies. I'm not going to pressure financial supporters to cut off their support. I don't like Rush so I don't listen. I'm not going to pressure advertisers to drop a program that I don't listen to. They can support whatever they want.

This is so intellectually dishonest I don't even know what to say. You constantly crap on about how right-thinking people need to disassociate themselves from Occupy, marginalize their message, shut them up. And then Rush spews his bullshit and you're all: Let the man talk! Let's hear what he has to say!

I'm done on this topic.

609 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:35:33am

re: #588 Kronocide

He's so full of it:


That is opposite of reality. Calling Fluke a slut was his instinct. He thought it to be OK.

He's a terrible person. I am ashamed I listened to him in the early 90's.

He was possessed by the aliens for *three days* after that anal probe he got. It took his total will to not break down and start doing "I wanta Singa" when they commanded it.
//

610 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:37:56am

re: #413 Lidane

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What does one have to do with the other?

611 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:37:57am

re: #608 iossarian

This is so intellectually dishonest I don't even know what to say. You constantly crap on about how right-thinking people need to disassociate themselves from Occupy, marginalize their message, shut them up. And then Rush spews his bullshit and you're all: Let the man talk! Let's hear what he has to say!

I'm done on this topic.

I don't like OWS and I don't think people should be attending their rallies but I'm not going to start a campaign to pressure Ben and Jerry's to drop their support for OWS. In fact, I would still buy their products. I don't think MSNBC should have Al Sharpton on. He has a history of bigoted and offensive remarks. I don't like him so I don't watch his show. Problem solved.

612 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:39:21am

re: #611 Killgore Trout

Very easy and comfortable position. No responsibility involved.

613 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:39:43am

re: #611 Killgore Trout

He has a history of bigoted and offensive remarks. I don't like him so I don't watch his show. Problem solved.

No, it's not. That's kind of the point. But somehow you've managed to convince yourself propaganda isn't harmful.

614 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:44:58am

re: #478 Obdicut

The way you use the phrase 'the left' is petty indecipherable.

I always see it as KT saying, "things and people I disagree with or don't like."

615 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:45:05am

re: #575 NJDhockeyfan

Didn't they try that a few years ago and the world did nothing but watch? I think that's when Twitter became noticed.

Missed this. Did nothing but watch? And what, pray tell, could the world have done, short of invasion?

616 iossarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:45:53am

re: #611 Killgore Trout

I don't think MSNBC should have Al Sharpton on.

I don't understand why you would say that. Isn't it better that he can get his views out in the open, rather than them being suppressed?

/not expecting a coherent answer

617 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:46:40am

re: #616 iossarian

Problem ignored!

618 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:47:45am

re: #616 iossarian

Watching Al Sharpton is painful. He is about as coherent as a three year old ten minutes before bed time.

619 iossarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:48:56am

re: #618 Phlebas

Watching Al Sharpton is painful. He is about as coherent as a three year old ten minutes before bed time.

I'm no Sharpton fan, but I would like to know why some people "shouldn't be on the air" whereas for other it's "better that their views are out in the open".

620 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:51:32am

re: #616 iossarian

I don't understand why you would say that. Isn't it better that he can get his views out in the open, rather than them being suppressed?

/not expecting a coherent answer

If MSNBC wants to give him a job that's fine. It tells me about them and I know it's not a network I want to take seriously. It's not for me but if other people like it that's fine. I'm not going to pressure anybody to drop support if they don't want to.

621 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:51:37am

re: #619 iossarian

I'm no Sharpton fan, but I would like to know why some people "shouldn't be on the air" whereas for other it's "better that their views are out in the open".

It's a difficult discussion and a challenging process for any society to go through. But I don't think the answer is "everybody gets to say what they want". There is no single, definitive answer. We have to be a watchful, diligent democracy.

622 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:51:44am

Sharpton != Limbaugh.

623 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:52:48am

re: #619 iossarian

I'm no Sharpton fan, but I would like to know why some people "shouldn't be on the air" whereas for other it's "better that their views are out in the open".

I'm not advocating they cancel his show but it lets me know that it's not a network I can take seriously. I don't watch it.

624 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:54:03am

re: #623 Killgore Trout

I'm not advocating they cancel his show but it lets me know that it's not a network I can take seriously. I don't watch it.

Unlike PressTV?
*rimshot*

625 iossarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:55:12am

re: #623 Killgore Trout

I'm not advocating they cancel his show but it lets me know that it's not a network I can take seriously. I don't watch it.

But you said, in #611:

I don't think MSNBC should have Al Sharpton on.

So you didn't really mean that, then?

626 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:55:49am
627 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:56:24am

re: #624 Varek Raith

Unlike PressTV?
*rimshot*

I find it morally reprehensible that there's a steady stream of Occupy supporters lined up to appear on Iranian state TV. That's why I point it out.

628 iossarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:57:15am

re: #627 Killgore Trout

I find it morally reprehensible that there's a steady stream of Occupy supporters lined up to appear on Iranian state TV. That's why I point it out.

Do you find it morally reprehensible that Rush has a willing outlet for his bigotry?

629 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:57:22am

Zen Strawberry.
This is KT's game.
;)

630 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:57:37am

re: #627 Killgore Trout

So you don't pay attention to things featuring views you dislike, except when you do, in order to spread the word and condemn them, but people who condemn Rush and say others should are wrong.

Also, propaganda never caused any problems.

631 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:58:23am

re: #629 Varek Raith

Zen Strawberry.
This is KT's game.
;)

wazzat?

632 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:58:27am

re: #625 iossarian

But you said, in #611:

So you didn't really mean that, then?

I stated my opinion but I have no expectation that MSNBC would share my opinion and I'm not going to pressure them to do what I think they should.

633 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:58:55am

re: #631 Saint Putin on a Toast

wazzat?

A man traveling across a field encountered a tiger. He fled, the tiger after him. Coming to a precipice, he caught hold of the root of a wild vine and swung himself down over the edge. The tiger sniffed at him from above. Trembling, the man looked down to where, far below, another tiger was waiting to eat him. Only the vine sustained him. Two mice, one white and one black, little by little started to gnaw away the vine. The man saw a luscious strawberry near him. Grasping the vine with one hand, he plucked the strawberry with the other. How sweet it tasted!

634 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:59:53am

re: #633 Varek Raith

too zen for me

635 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:00:05am

re: #628 iossarian

Do you find it morally reprehensible that Rush has a willing outlet for his bigotry?

It's syndicated. Doesn't work for a "station". The stations can fire him, but, it's not like he works for Fox, NBC, etc.

I have a feeling he's about to get a smaller outlet. But, hell, I haven't listened to Rush in over ten years.

636 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:00:43am

re: #628 iossarian

Do you find it morally reprehensible that Rush has a willing outlet for his bigotry?

No. I find his views reprehensible but I'm not bothered that he has an outlet to speak his mind.

637 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:01:41am

re: #634 Saint Putin on a Toast

too zen for me

It's about learning to live in the moment. Not the past or the future.

638 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:03:12am

re: #637 Killgore Trout

It's looks like it's about giving up, deciding nothing is worth any effort, and consoling yourself that you're not personally responsible and you can't do anything anyway.

639 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:04:13am

re: #638 Obdicut

It's looks like it's about giving up, deciding nothing is worth any effort, and consoling yourself that you're not personally responsible and you can't do anything anyway.

Grab the mice and throw them at the tiger.
While he's eating, run.
I win.

640 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:11:04am

re: #638 Obdicut

It's looks like it's about giving up, deciding nothing is worth any effort, and consoling yourself that you're not personally responsible and you can't do anything anyway.

Heh. When I was in high school, we had a creative writing assignment. "What would you do if you had a billion dollars, an incurable disease, and one year left to live."

I wrote about how I would start a "Save FBV Foundation", with five hundred million in research grants and a hundred million dollar prize to the winner.

She did ask me why I did not put the whole billion forward. I said, "I'm an optimist."

The only "A" I ever got from that teacher.

641 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:15:11am

re: #638 Obdicut

It's looks like it's about giving up, deciding nothing is worth any effort, and consoling yourself that you're not personally responsible and you can't do anything anyway.

No, I consider it being tolerant of other people's views even if I find them offensive and intolerant. I think it's an indicator of intellectual security that our society (in general) is confident enough to allow hateful and offensive speech. Insecure societies enforce blasphemy laws, ban books and ideas. I think it's ultimately damaging to censor ideas. Legally or through economic or social pressure the end result is more or less the same. It's an indicator of insecurity.

642 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:15:48am

re: #641 Killgore Trout

He was talking about the tiger story, silly.

643 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:17:06am

re: #642 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He was talking about the tiger story, silly.

Heh. I guess I got busted living out of the moment. My bad.

644 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:17:56am

re: #643 Killgore Trout

So busted.

645 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:20:11am

re: #642 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He was talking about the tiger story, silly.

In that case; Zen is often mistaken for nihilism. Part of it is "giving up" and realizing that you can't control everything but we spend most of our lives worrying about the past and fearing the future that we forget to appreciate the moment.

646 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:23:32am

re: #641 Killgore Trout

Why do you keep dishonestly saying what I'm talking about is banning anything or censorship?

re: #645 Killgore Trout

Oh god. Are you serious?

Killgore, people who follow Zen don't celebrate women getting pepper-sprayed in the face. Pull the other one.

647 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:24:16am

re: #645 Killgore Trout

I thought it was a cool story.

Garrison Keillor has a great quote in his "95 Theses"...

11. You taught me "When the going gets tough, the tough get going," teaching me to plod forward in the face of certain doom.

It's a very fun read.

The rest of the 95 are here...

648 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:24:51am

re: #646 Obdicut

Killgore, people who follow Zen don't celebrate women getting pepper-sprayed in the face. Pull the other one.

Sure they do.

649 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:28:21am

re: #648 Killgore Trout

Oh god. I think you are serious.

This is fucking sad.

Zen. Sheesh. Pretentiousness on acid.

650 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:31:11am

re: #649 Obdicut

Oh god. I think you are serious.

This is fucking sad.

Zen. Sheesh. Pretentiousness on acid.

It's not pretentious at all. Very close to Stoicisim without all the crap about piety and god. Read some Marcus Aurelius, you'll love it.

651 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:34:07am

re: #650 Killgore Trout

I've Read Marcus Aurelius, thanks. And I'm being totally serious: you do remind me of those idiots at OWS, and I have zero respect for your claim to be Zen. You're ideologically unengaged. You can call it Zen, and pretty it up all you like, it's going to look exactly the same for me.

According to you, you don't care, so please stop trying to convince me, okay?

652 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:34:59am

re: #651 Obdicut

According to you, you don't care, so please stop trying to convince me, okay?

ok

653 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:35:49am

re: #652 Killgore Trout

Oh, and stop lying and claiming what I'm talking about is banning things or censorship, that too.

Unless there's this new part of Zen where you lie a lot.

654 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:36:49am

re: #653 Obdicut

Oh, and stop lying and claiming what I'm talking about is banning things or censorship, that too.

Unless there's this new part of Zen where you lie a lot.

Stop claiming that that I'm claiming something I never claimed.

655 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:40:31am

re: #654 Killgore Trout

You said:

I think it's ultimately damaging to censor ideas. Legally or through economic or social pressure the end result is more or less the same. It's an indicator of insecurity.

Which is complete and utter bullshit, not to mention enormously hypocritical. There is an enormous fucking difference between legal and social pressure on 'banning' ideas. Holocaust denial being rejected by right-thinking people, being ostracized, is entirely different than it being legally banned. And it's not an indicator of insecurity for people to tell Holocaust deniers to shut the fuck up and skulk at the edges.

Your point of view is insupportable on a ethical and practical level, and you completely contradict it on a regular basis.

And you brought up banning, repeatedly, in this thread when no one, at all, advocated banning. You know that you did. So don't play cute, dude. You know better. You call people on the same bullshit you try to pull.

656 iossarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:41:29am

re: #655 Obdicut

You call people on the same bullshit you try to pull.

I think that's some kind of "zen".

657 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:44:28am

re: #655 Obdicut

You said:

I think it's ultimately damaging to censor ideas. Legally or through economic or social pressure the end result is more or less the same. It's an indicator of insecurity.

Indeed I did. That's my opinion.

658 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:48:33am

re: #657 Killgore Trout

And it's wrong. Legally and societally are entirely different ways to reject ideas. We, as a society, reject the idea that slavery is okay, and it's not a fucking sign of insecurity that we do so, or that people who offer that opinion are ostracized. Or any other such opinions.

Pretending propaganda isn't harmful is just pathetically ahistorical.

659 dwbh  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:16:55am

Barack's Vetting, Part II: Obama watched "Ishtar" in the 90's, and secretly wrote a favorable review.


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