Limbaugh Blames His Hate Speech on the Left (Of Course)

But the mask has dropped
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This is absolutely typical behavior for Rush Limbaugh, and you can now expect all the right wing blogs to start spouting the same talking point in unison: Limbaugh: “I Acted Too Much Like The Leftists Who Despise Me”.

Yes, he’s blaming the left.

Rush Limbaugh has accomplished something very real with his piggish remarks, though. Before this, the Republican Party was having some success in reframing the debate over contraception as an issue of “religious freedom.” It was a stupid angle, but they were playing it hard and sowing confusion for all they were worth.

But since Rush Limbaugh launched this sickeningly personal attack on a woman whose only offense was to testify about the need for private insurance to cover contraception, and since the right wing media and blogosphere closed ranks around their idol and ferociously doubled down on Rush’s misogyny, it’s become crystal clear that the GOP’s “religious freedom” ruse was simply that — a sham.

This debate over contraception is about the religious right wing’s reactionary compulsion to try to control the awesome power of the vagina, and it always has been.

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216 comments

1 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:26:42am

Repost:

Well, Rush, good going.

You managed to totally derail the topic of what an insurance plan should or should not cover, and now it’s all about you, and about misogyny and why men who have sex out of wedlock are allowed to call women who have sex out of wedlock bad names.

Can the adults in the room go back to talking?

2 Iwouldprefernotto  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:27:00am

So I’m responsible for everything this idiot says?

3 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:27:37am

Obviously, the response from the right-wing blogs has shown that this sort of this is totally out of bounds.

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4 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:29:04am

Moving the goal posts while deflecting. 5 yard penalty. Still first down.

Where’s the “personal responsibility” Mr. Limbaugh?

5 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:29:27am

The leader of the GOP is a hardcore misogynist.

6 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:29:46am

All that whining reminds me of the line from Deliverance “Squeal like a pig!”

Of course he is squealing as he is watching those dollars just walk away.

7 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:31:02am

He’s stepped all over the GOP’s talking points and made the story about him.

I’d laugh at his incompetence and at the GOP for now having to endure this story going on and on, but you reap what you sow.

8 erik_t  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:31:57am

I believe Mr. Johnson means the ‘awesome power of the V’. Let’s keep the language polite and appropriate.

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9 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:32:59am

re: #7 Lidane

He’s stepped all over the GOP’s talking points and made the story about him.

I’d laugh at his incompetence and at the GOP for now having to endure this story going on and on, but you reap what you sow.

Well, he wanted to make the story about himself, screw the original debate and the GOP. His only apparent miscalculation was underestimating just how much he’d end up making the story about him and just how badly it would hurt him at the bank.

10 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:33:09am

As if harsh speech can’t be found on the right all day long… Wow jaw dropping self delusion.

11 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:33:31am

Also, the advertisers who left did it because they don’t want the listeners business, not because of the shit Rush said.

12 RadicalModerate  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:34:02am

For what it’s worth, David Frum ain’t buying Limbaugh’s bill of goods.

Are we being fair to Rush Limbaugh?

Bolded sidebar quote:

I can’t recall anything as brutal, ugly, and deliberate ever being said by such a prominent person and so emphatically repeated.

13 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:34:43am

QFT:

Don’t clap for destroying America. This place is as good as you want to make it. — Zappa introduced “Billy the Mountain” by revealing that Billy and Ethel took a vacation trip across the United States, destroying it in the process. This was Zappa’s response to the applause and cheers from the audience. Cleveland Colliseum, 1971

From “Frank says:”

14 Blue Point  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:34:52am

Of course it’s somebody else’s fault. It always is. He was momentarily possessed. Poor Rush. He probably needs an Oxy right about now.

15 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:35:51am

re: #14 This just in…..

Of course it’s somebody else’s fault. It always is. He was momentarily possessed. Poor Rush. He probably needs an Oxy right about now.

He keeps a jar under his desk. The Rush-man wants for nothing.

16 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:37:46am
Frum:
Point 4: Most fundamentally, why the impulse to counter one outrageous stunt by rummaging through the archives in search of some supposedly offsetting outrageous stunt? Why not respond to an indecent act on its own terms, and then — if there’s another indecency later — react to that too, and on its own terms?

And the fact is, Limbo has been saying this kind of stuff for decades now. I don’t think there’s a liberal equivalent of “feminazi”.

17 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:38:56am

It’s all about personal responsibility when it comes to someone else, but when you’re forced to take responsibility for your own actions it’s because he adopted language used by the left.

There is no more blatant example of abdication of personal responsibility than that non-apology. He’s apologizing for adopting the language of the left? Really? The Left (and who exactly is Left?) forced him to use that language in a personal attack - instead of commenting on the content of her statement, he launched a personal attack.

He’d have better luck claiming that he was Show Hosting Under the Infuence, There! (SHUtIT).

18 Blue Point  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:38:59am

re: #15 Phlebas

I would not doubt that for a moment. I hope I’m still around when the skeletons fall from his closet.

19 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:39:48am

re: #12 RadicalModerate

Point 4: Most fundamentally, why the impulse to counter one outrageous stunt by rummaging through the archives in search of some supposedly offsetting outrageous stunt? Why not respond to an indecent act on its own terms, and then — if there’s another indecency later — react to that too, and on its own terms?

Instead, public life is reduced to a revenge drama. Each offense is condoned by reference to some previous offense by some undefined “them” who supposedly once did something even worse, or anyway nearly as bad, at some point in the past.

Pfft. If people responded to each incident on its own terms the entire RWNJ blogosphere would cease to exist.

20 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:39:56am

re: #18 This just in…..

I would not doubt that for a moment. I hope I’m still around when the skeletons fall from his closet.

A daily glass of red wine and moderate exercise. You’ll make it!

21 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:40:57am

Posted this in the last thread, but I’ll repost here for relevance:

From the Los Angeles Times:

Sandra Fluke: Rush Limbaugh’s apology doesn’t change anything

The 30-year-old Georgetown law student noted in a Monday appearance on “The View” that Limbaugh had only apologized for his choice of words, as she sought to refocus the discussion on access to contraceptives being a matter of women’s rights
.

Limbaugh goes into the sewer, and Fluke opts to not follow him there.

Awesome.

22 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:41:04am

Let’s see…I moved back to the US in what, 1991, 1992?

Rush was a disgusting pig then. I got to hear his statements about women—crap about Feminazis, crass objectification—echoed by my 12-year-old contemporaries.

The man has consistently been a bully and a misogynist. This claim…like all of his other excuses…just demonstrate that he’s a coward as well.

23 sizzzzlerz  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:42:26am

I do believe the good guys just won. First the notpology, now blaming the left. All we need is to be called nazis and we have the trifecta.

24 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:43:29am

re: #22 The Ghost of a Flea

Let’s see…I moved back to the US in what, 1991, 1992?

Rush was a disgusting pig then. I got to hear his statements about women—crap about Feminazis, crass objectification—echoed by my 12-year-old contemporaries.

The man has consistently been a bully and a misogynist. This claim…like all of his other excuses…just demonstrate that he’s a coward as well.

Yeah, this isn’t new for him. He just pushed things a bit too far and at the wrong person this time. But I’ve long been unable to even hear his voice without cringing.

25 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:43:44am

re: #22 The Ghost of a Flea

Let’s see…I moved back to the US in what, 1991, 1992?

Rush was a disgusting pig then. I got to hear his statements about women—crap about Feminazis, crass objectification—echoed by my 12-year-old contemporaries.

The man has consistently been a bully and a misogynist. This claim…like all of his other excuses…just demonstrate that he’s a coward as well.

He’s a fat twat who likes his private plane and all the luxuries of unelected punditry. He is relevant because he cleverly taps, and gives voice to, the primal fears of racists and unempowered rednecks.

26 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:43:49am

re: #17 lawhawk

It’s all about personal responsibility when it comes to someone else, but when you’re forced to take responsibility for your own actions it’s because he adopted language used by the left.

There is no more blatant example of abdication of personal responsibility than that non-apology. He’s apologizing for adopting the language of the left? Really? The Left (and who exactly is Left?) forced him to use that language in a personal attack - instead of commenting on the content of her statement, he launched a personal attack.

He’d have better luck claiming that he was Show Hosting Under the Influence, There! (SHUtIT).

“The Left” is the nickname of the man behind the curtain. THE GREAT AND POWERFUL RUSH demands that you ignore him. And get that little dog off my lawn!

27 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:43:52am

re: #23 sizzzzlerz

I do believe the good guys just won. First the notpology, now blaming the left. All we need is to be called nazis and we have the trifecta.

Do Feminazis count?

28 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:45:01am

If I’m not mistaken this is a codependency and/or addiction symptom:

• Blaming others for any set of consequences usually constitutes denial.
• Denial keeps all addicts in their addictions.

Limbaugh is blaming the left which is denial. That denial will therefore allow him to internally justify his addiction to his anti-social speech.

29 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:45:30am

re: #23 sizzzzlerz

I do believe the good guys just won. First the notpology, now blaming the left. All we need is to be called nazis and we have the trifecta.

I’ve heard mafia goons committing extortion. Close enough?

30 A Mom Anon  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:45:42am

I swear if I had any musical talent “The Awesome Power of the Vagina”(or maybe just Power of the Vagina-POV) would either be my band name or a song. Heehee.

31 RadicalModerate  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:46:16am

re: #19 Lidane
There’s one point that I have to disagree with Frum about, the part he said at the closing of his article.

It is the bottom of the barrel of shock talk.

And the good news is that from the bottom of the barrel, there is nowhere to go but up.

Unfortunately, each and every time I think that individuals like Limbaugh has hit the absolute lowest point of discourse, they will inevitably find a way to go to an even more disgusting low.

32 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:46:51am
This debate over contraception is about the religious right wing’s reactionary compulsion to try to control the awesome power of the vagina…

As someone who somehow managed to contend with that awesome power for thirteen years before divorce finally ended it, I have this to say to the G.O.P.

“They own the Vagina, Resistance is Futile”

/

33 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:47:14am

re: #31 RadicalModerate

There’s one point that I have to disagree with Frum about, the part he said at the closing of his article.

Unfortunately, each and every time I think that individuals like Limbaugh has hit the absolute lowest point of discourse, they will inevitably find a way to go to an even more disgusting low.

He carries a drill for that very purpose.
/

34 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:50:16am

She obviously won’t read this, but I just want to put it out here on the Intertubes:

Hey, Sandra? If you ever feel like moving up here to the great state of Maine, we’ve got a Senate seat opening up in the near future. :-)

35 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:50:18am

re: #33 Simply Sarah

He carries a drill for that very purpose.
/

The GOP is more afraid of the Chinese Communists than the Democrats because they’ve dug so deep they’re closer to the former than the latter.
/

36 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:52:47am
37 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:54:24am

Rush Limbaugh ‘slut’ comment reveals a double standard on sex

Rush Limbaugh apologized for calling student Sandra Fluke a ‘slut’ for her views on contraception. His offensive remarks revealed an old double standard on sex: Only a ‘coed’ – that is, a female – can be promiscuous. The rest of us males are just taking what’s rightfully ours.

38 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:54:29am

re: #21 BongCrodny

Posted this in the last thread, but I’ll repost here for relevance:

From the Los Angeles Times:

Sandra Fluke: Rush Limbaugh’s apology doesn’t change anything

Limbaugh goes into the sewer, and Fluke opts to not follow him there.

Awesome.

Good for her.

39 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:55:11am

re: #30 A Mom Anon

I swear if I had any musical talent “The Awesome Power of the Vagina”(or maybe just Power of the Vagina-POV) would either be my band name or a song. Heehee.

You would have to cover this song:

40 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:57:00am

re: #37 Kragar

Rush Limbaugh ‘slut’ comment reveals a double standard on sex

Well, the article is correct in that it reflects the double standard that exists, but that double standard has always been amazingly easy to see if you were willing to look. Just looking at our language, never mind popular culture and law and everything else, should be enough to reveal it.

41 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:57:47am

I’m still laughing over:

I’m sorry for calling you a creepy, slimy, gelatinous, blob of unevolved slime.

It wasn’t mean to be a personal insult.

42 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:58:19am

re: #40 Simply Sarah

Well, the article is correct in that it reflects the double standard that exists, but that double standard has always been amazingly easy to see if you were willing to look. Just looking at our language, never mind popular culture and law and everything else, should be enough to reveal it.

True, but quite often that thing everyone can see is what people really don’t want to talk about.

43 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:58:49am

re: #40 Simply Sarah

Well, the article is correct in that it reflects the double standard that exists, but that double standard has always been amazingly easy to see if you were willing to look. Just looking at our language, never mind popular culture and law and everything else, should be enough to reveal it.

The fact that we don’t really have a male word for “slut” tells you everything you need to know.

44 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:59:23am

re: #42 Kragar

True, but quite often that thing everyone can see is what people really don’t want to talk about.

All too true, all too true. It’s sad that it takes something like this for the topic to even get play in the mainstream. And it will likely fade back out of it soon enough.

45 EdDantes  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:59:34am

re: #32 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

All your vagina are belong to us!

46 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:00:00am

re: #21 BongCrodny

In his apology, Limbaugh said that he believes “it is not our business whatsoever to know what is going on in anyone’s bedroom nor do I think it is a topic that should reach a presidential level.”

So, Rush supports Gay marriage now. Good to know.

47 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:00:43am

re: #43 To hold my temper, most of the time.

The fact that we don’t really have a male word for “slut” tells you everything you need to know.

Yep. Instead, guys are “pimps” or “players” or other terms used to describe men that exploit women. And those terms are considered positive.

48 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:00:53am

Control the vagina, control the world.

49 M. Dubious  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:01:24am
This debate over contraception is about the religious right wing’s reactionary compulsion to try to control the awesome power of the vagina, and it always has been.

Heh. You’ve grown to become quite the feminist…

50 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:01:24am

Sorry if my typing is off, but I was down on the floor teaching the 6 year old when I saw what I thought were bits of cut off lamination (entirely possible in this house) and went to scrape them up and throw them away.

A bandaid, a quick trip out of the room for the 6 year old, a thorough vacuuming (along with a vacuum cleaning, unfortunately), and a thorough eyeballing of the floor later, I have resolved to be more careful about the broken slip covers from the microscope kit and make sure they get properly thrown away.

51 A Mom Anon  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:02:30am

re: #39 wrenchwench

Bwahahaha. I just scared the dog. LOL.

52 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:02:32am

Of course you realize the wingnuts will go apeshit that she dismissed Rush nonpology.

53 ElCapitanAmerica  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:02:39am

Charles;

it’s become crystal clear that the GOP’s “religious freedom” ruse was simply that — a sham.

There is a legitimate argument on that end, it was raised by religious groups (like the Catholic Bishops and even the less conservative groups within the Church). This though, after the compromise and all the other stuff is the GOP taking the ball and tripping all over themselves.

54 erik_t  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:02:57am

re: #52 Kragar

Of course you realize the wingnuts will go apeshit that she dismissed Rush nonpology.

Clearly SHE is the rude one!

/

55 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:03:07am

re: #47 Simply Sarah

Yep. Instead, guys are “pimps” or “players” or other terms used to describe men that exploit women. And those terms are considered positive.

Uh…No. Neither are ‘dog’ and ‘cockhound’ where I come from.

56 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:03:28am

I’m sorry that I called you a mouth-breathing, unwashed, imbecilic neanderthal.

It wasn’t meant to be a personal insult.

57 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:03:49am
58 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:04:03am

OK, I listened to the clip. At the end, Limbaugh says, ‘OK, I’ve got to take a break…”

My thought: ‘For what? Advertisements? Hahahahaha!’

59 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:04:33am

re: #58 wrenchwench

OK, I listened to the clip. At the end, Limbaugh says, ‘OK, I’ve got to take a break…”

My thought: ‘For what? Advertisements? Hahahahaha!’

Oxycotin was wearing off.

60 erik_t  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:04:46am

re: #57 Kragar

Minnesota State GOP Rep. Compares Food Stamp Program To Feeding ‘The Animals’

It’s like the perpetual blueness of Minnesota drives the right wing of the state a little battier than usual. I don’t quite understand it.

61 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:05:47am

re: #57 Kragar

Minnesota State GOP Rep. Compares Food Stamp Program To Feeding ‘The Animals’

How do idiots like this get elected? Oh and as for Limbaugh, more of it’s never Rush’s fault I guess.

62 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:05:56am

re: #53 ElCapitanAmerica

Charles;

There is a legitimate argument on that end, it was raised by religious groups (like the Catholic Bishops and even the less conservative groups within the Church). This though, after the compromise and all the other stuff is the GOP taking the ball and tripping all over themselves.

They wanted not just exemptions for themselves. They overreached. They wanted anybody to be able to claim a moral exemption.

The goal of the Church is control of women, too. I don’t see anything legitimate about that.

63 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:06:51am

Female Veterans Demand Rush Limbaugh’s Show Be Pulled From American Forces Network

Rush Limbaugh has a freedom of speech and can say what he wants, but in light of his horribly misogynistic comments, American Forces Radio should no longer give him a platform. Our entire military depends on troops respecting each other – women and men. There simply can be no place on military airwaves for sentiments that would undermine that respect. When many of our female troops use birth control, for Limbaugh to say they are “sluts” and “prostitutes” is beyond the pale. It isn’t just disrespectful to our women serving our country, but it’s language that goes against everything that makes our military work. Again, we swore to uphold our Constitution, including the freedom of speech, and would not take that away from anyone – even Limbaugh. But that does not mean AFN should broadcast him. In fact, it shouldn’t.

64 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:07:36am

re: #63 Kragar

Female Veterans Demand Rush Limbaugh’s Show Be Pulled From American Forces Network

I fully expect these women veterans to be attacked. It’s MO.

65 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:07:46am

re: #53 ElCapitanAmerica

There is a legitimate argument on that end

No there wasn’t, particularly after President Obama altered the mandate. He gave them a win/win situation and they blew it.

66 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:08:42am

re: #61 HappyWarrior

How do idiots like this get elected? Oh and as for Limbaugh, more of it’s never Rush’s fault I guess.

It’s clearly laid out in the wingnut caste system that there are the Blameless and the Always-Culpable. Pointing it out over and over is just ungracious.

67 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:08:51am

re: #53 ElCapitanAmerica

Charles;

There is a legitimate argument on that end, it was raised by religious groups (like the Catholic Bishops and even the less conservative groups within the Church). This though, after the compromise and all the other stuff is the GOP taking the ball and tripping all over themselves.

I totally disagree. There is NO legitimate argument in favor of allowing employers to decide whether women employees should have contraception.

This argument is bogus. It’s intended to play on feelings of religious persecution, that are themselves bogus, invented grievances. It’s a fake issue, designed to mask the real intent - controlling women.

68 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:08:54am

re: #62 wrenchwench

They wanted not just exemptions for themselves. They overreached. They wanted anybody to be able to claim a moral exemption.

The goal of the Church is control of women, too. I don’t see anything legitimate about that.

I have a moral dilemma with money going to any program I don’t directly benefit from. This means I can stop paying my taxes, right?
/

69 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:09:24am

re: #64 HappyWarrior

I fully expect these women veterans to be attacked. It’s MO.

Lets see what Bryan Fischer has to say…
/

70 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:10:40am

re: #53 ElCapitanAmerica

What’s the valid point, though? Why should an employer say that certain medical treatments are immoral? Should an employer also be able to forbid an employee from spending their paycheck on other ‘immoral’ things?

71 munu  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:11:26am

I’m curious. What was said on this blog, about Bill Maher’s comments?

72 Four More Tears  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:11:37am

I would like to offer my apologies for making Mr. Limbaugh say those disgusting things. We on the far left should now take our hand out of Rush’s ass.

So sorry.

73 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:11:41am

re: #53 ElCapitanAmerica

Charles;

There is a legitimate argument on that end, it was raised by religious groups (like the Catholic Bishops and even the less conservative groups within the Church). This though, after the compromise and all the other stuff is the GOP taking the ball and tripping all over themselves.

I imagine some arguments based on fiscal conservatism that might at least sound plausible, even if they’re wrong.

Argument based on religion? You kiddin’? Religion is completely arbitrary, so there should be no policy that reflects such arbitrariness.

74 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:11:45am

Incoming!

75 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:11:50am

re: #64 HappyWarrior

I fully expect these women veterans to be attacked. It’s MO.

I sincerely hope Rush is as stupid as I believe him to be, and he takes the bait.

If the Fluke episode wasn’t enough to scuttle him for good, squaring off against female veterans most certainly would do the job.

76 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:12:43am

re: #71 munu

I’m curious. What was said on this blog, about Bill Maher’s comments?

Welcome hatchling.

There’s a search box in the upper left hand corner.

77 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:12:44am
78 aagcobb  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:13:06am

re: #36 Kragar

9 advertisers drop Rush

The news keeps getting better and better. I found out which radio stations in my area are Clear Channel, then I emailed Clear Channel to inform them I will no longer listen to their stations as long as they keep Limbaugh on the air. Ratings equal $$, and that is a language Clear Channel understands.

79 erik_t  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:13:14am

re: #71 munu

I’m curious. What was said on this blog, about Bill Maher’s comments?

I’m guessing they were made in English.

Could you be more specific as to which comments we are supposed to discuss?

80 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:13:26am

re: #71 munu

I’m curious. What was said on this blog, about Bill Maher’s comments?

What comments? To be pertinent, we would sort of need be aware of them. Compare the audience sizes.

81 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:13:46am

re: #71 munu

I’m curious. What was said on this blog, about Bill Maher’s comments?

Bill Maher represents whom?

82 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:14:01am

re: #53 ElCapitanAmerica

Charles;

There is a legitimate argument on that end, it was raised by religious groups (like the Catholic Bishops and even the less conservative groups within the Church). This though, after the compromise and all the other stuff is the GOP taking the ball and tripping all over themselves.

You need to understand, the issue here is that birth control is specifically excluded from being a covered medication under some plans. We’re talking about drug plans that otherwise cover just about everything that is an approved drug. Birth control is being specifically singled out because of supposed moral reasons, not even because of cost. It’s not like these places aren’t offering drug coverage (Although some have threatened to drop it) and are expected to cover BC and only BC.

83 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:14:09am

re: #70 Obdicut

What’s the valid point, though? Why should an employer say that certain medical treatments are immoral? Should an employer also be able to forbid an employee from spending their paycheck on other ‘immoral’ things?

If you’re going to offer insurance, cover everything or don’t say you’re offering insurance. If you don’t want to cover birth control directly, then hire a benefits company that you pay, and let the benefits company provide it.

And these same assholes worry about Sharia law taking over.

84 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:15:06am

re: #77 Charles Johnson

Image: sleeper.jpg

85 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:15:25am

re: #83 Kragar

And these same assholes worry about Sharia law taking over.

Their only concern about Sharia is that it’s the “wrong” religious law. They’ve got no problem shoving their own religious law and their own morals down everyone else’s throats.

86 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:15:29am

re: #71 munu

Things.

87 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:16:05am

re: #71 munu

Go back to bed, Rip van Winkle.

88 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:16:35am

re: #71 munu

Boehner consulted with Rush on the debt plan.

Has Pelosi or any other prominent Democrat ever consulted with Maher on policy?

89 RadicalModerate  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:17:03am

re: #71 munu

Read the David Frum column I referenced above. He specifically addresses attempts of equivalence between Limbaugh’s statements and Maher’s.

90 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:17:23am

re: #71 munu

I’m curious. What was said on this blog, about Bill Maher’s comments?

So that’s your game? OK, I’ll actually play. Maher is also a disgusting misogynist, perhaps just as bad as Rush. Just for that fact alone I cannot stand the man and I want nothing to do with him. I do not support him, I do not like him, I push back against his comments as strongly as possible. I would not want to do business with any company that sponsored him.

There. How does that work for you?

91 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:17:38am

re: #53 ElCapitanAmerica

Charles;

There is a legitimate argument on that end, it was raised by religious groups (like the Catholic Bishops and even the less conservative groups within the Church). This though, after the compromise and all the other stuff is the GOP taking the ball and tripping all over themselves.

I disagree.

The money put towards insurance is part of the pay package of the worker: it’s the employee’s money to do with what they please.

In addition to the heinous woman-controlling aspect of this, there’s a more subtle but still heinous way that this argument re-frames labor compensation. Treating health insurance as though it’s bestowed by the largesse of the employer…and that therefore the latter has a say in how it’s used…is like a callback to a manor-house, upstairs/downstairs class-stratified model of work.

92 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:18:24am

re: #80 Decatur Deb

What comments? To be pertinent, we would sort of need be aware of them. Compare the audience sizes.

He called Sarah Palin a ****. He’s an asshole for doing so.

[Link: www.alternet.org…]

That’s an article criticizing him for it, from a progressive.

93 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:18:35am

re: #71 munu

I’m curious. What was said on this blog, about Bill Maher’s comments?

A) We’ve been very critical of Bill Maher, when appropriate, here at LGF over the years and even to this day; B) Maher never spent a week attacked an ordinary citizen using such vile language; and C) I detect an attempt at employing a magical balance fairy.

94 celticdragon  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:18:36am

re: #71 munu

I’m curious. What was said on this blog, about Bill Maher’s comments?

Maher can be a pig.

However, nobody really cares what he says. He does not shape opinion in the political left, and no politician is even remotely worried about offending him.

95 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:18:55am

re: #90 Simply Sarah

So that’s your game? OK, I’ll actually play. Maher is also a disgusting misogynist, perhaps just as bad as Rush. Just for that fact alone I cannot stand the man and I want nothing to do with him. I do not support him, I do not like him, I push back against his comments as strongly as possible. I would not want to do business with any company that sponsored him.

There. How does that work for you?

Worse, for a comedian, he’s pretty unfunny.

96 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:19:14am

Apology tour!

97 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:20:29am

re: #95 Decatur Deb

Worse, for a comedian, he’s pretty unfunny.

That and Maher’s an anti-vaxxer and woo-woo nut. He’s got his moments of insightful commentary now and then, but he’s basically a stopped clock.

98 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:21:13am

re: #96 Lidane

Apology tour!

Awesome. Maybe he can be joined by Dinesh D’Souza.

//

99 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:21:41am

re: #97 Lidane

That and Maher’s an anti-vaxxer and woo-woo nut. He’s got his moments of insightful commentary now and then, but he’s basically a stopped clock.

He also is really obviously in love with himself.

Not as much as Rush, though.

I think Rush is going to be the new Beck after this. He’s not really going to be reference-able by a lot of the people he previously was.

100 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:21:57am

re: #97 Lidane

That and Maher’s an anti-vaxxer and woo-woo nut. He’s got his moments of insightful commentary now and then, but he’s basically a stopped clock.

What is woo-woo?

101 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:22:18am

re: #96 Lidane

Apology tour!

Hell, when I travelled abroad, thats one of the things people liked!

102 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:22:24am

re: #95 Decatur Deb

Worse, for a comedian, he’s pretty unfunny.

His (to my mind) counterpoint on the right is Dennis Miller. I don’t agree with Miller on much of what he says, but he is amusing most of the time, and he is judicious in the way he expresse his opinions. Disclaimer: I listen to Miller once every couple of weeks; so I could be way off in my assessment.

103 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:23:02am

re: #95 Decatur Deb

Worse, for a comedian, he’s pretty unfunny.

Wow…never thought of Maher as a comedian.

re: #100 Decatur Deb

What is woo-woo?

Believer is assorted superstitious/magical-thinking derived nonsense, like pseudoscience.

104 Tumulus11  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:23:29am

. At the start of her Congressional testimony Ms. Fluke said ’ My name is Sandra Fluke …’ pronouncing it ‘Flook’. On Wednesday when Rush called her ‘a slut’, he pronounced her name with obvious relish ‘Miss Fluke’. Today, while claiming that ‘the Leftists’ made him do it, he took the opportunity four times to rhyme her name with the F word, calling her ‘Sandra Fluck’ and ‘Miss Fluck’. On Saturday, Rush wrote: ‘I sincerely apologize to Ms. Fluke for the insulting word choices.’ Today he lets us know how much that ‘apology’ was worth.

105 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:23:31am

re: #101 Kragar

Hell, when I travelled abroad, thats one of the things people liked!

Nobody parties harder than a Saudi on vacation in America!

//

106 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:24:20am

re: #102 Phlebas

His (to my mind) counterpoint on the right is Dennis Miller. I don’t agree with Miller on much of what he says, but he is amusing most of the time, and he is judicious in the way he expresse his opinions. Disclaimer: I listen to Miller once every couple of weeks; so I could be way off in my assessment.

Yes, I equate and confuse those two. Unfortunately, I also sometimes mix in Dennis Leary, who is funny.

107 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:24:34am

re: #81 Saint Putin on a Toast

Bill Maher represents whom?

Bill Maher.

Bozo the Clown.

108 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:24:37am

re: #100 Decatur Deb

What is woo-woo?

Homeopathy, etc. Bill’s one of those ZOMG BIG PHARMA conspiracy loons who thinks that alternative treatments for cancer and other illnesses work, but that the evidence is being suppressed, or something. It goes right along with his anti-vaxxer idiocy.

109 dragonath  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:25:07am

The story about this on Yahoo has the comments running againt Rush. That’s the first time I’ve ever seen that happen there.

110 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:25:22am

re: #71 munu

I’m curious. What was said on this blog, about Bill Maher’s comments?

What do you care, Mr. nonparticipant?

111 allegro  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:25:31am

re: #53 ElCapitanAmerica

Charles;

There is a legitimate argument on that end, it was raised by religious groups (like the Catholic Bishops and even the less conservative groups within the Church). This though, after the compromise and all the other stuff is the GOP taking the ball and tripping all over themselves.

No, there is not. There is no more legitimacy to demanding what medications a person may be covered for by insurance than there is to demanding that an individual spend an earned salary in accordance with an employers religious beliefs.

112 munu  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:25:52am

WOW! Didn’t expect that kind of reaction.

113 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:26:00am

re: #103 The Ghost of a Flea

Wow…never thought of Maher as a comedian.

re: #100 Decatur Deb

Believer is assorted superstitious/magical-thinking derived nonsense, like pseudoscience.

re: #108 Lidane

Homeopathy, etc. Bill’s one of those ZOMG BIG PHARMA conspiracy loons who thinks that alternative treatments for cancer and other illnesses work, but that the evidence is being suppressed, or something. It goes right along with his anti-vaxxer idiocy.

Oh. So he’s just an idiot.

114 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:26:02am

re: #110 jaunte

What do you care, Mr. nonparticipant?

You talked to it. I disappoint, son.

115 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:26:14am

re: #112 munu

WOW! Didn’t expect that kind of reaction.

What did you expect?

116 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:26:35am

re: #115 Saint Putin on a Toast

What did you expect?

The comfy chair.

//

117 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:26:59am

re: #116 Gus

The comfy chair.

//

The Spanish Inquisition

118 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:27:02am

re: #112 munu

WOW! Didn’t expect that kind of reaction.

[dobro slide]

119 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:27:10am

re: #71 munu

I’m curious. What was said on this blog, about Bill Maher’s comments?

And there ya go.

A whole bunch of comments regarding Bill Maher, and very few (if any) of them positive.

Happy?

120 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:27:13am

re: #115 Saint Putin on a Toast

What did you expect?

Well, he certainly didn’t expect some kind of Spanish Inquisition…

121 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:27:54am

re: #112 munu

WOW! Didn’t expect that kind of reaction.

You mean you didn’t expect us to notice that you’re parroting yet another right wing talking point that you picked up at Hot Air, Newsbusters, Gateway Pundit, etc. etc. etc.?

122 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:29:11am

I suspect Maher belives weed is a cure-all… I always think he’s high when I watch his show.

123 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:29:21am

re: #121 Charles Johnson

You mean you didn’t expect us to notice that you’re parroting yet another right wing talking point that you picked up at Hot Air, Newsbusters, Gateway Pundit, etc. etc. etc.?

Reading comprehension and cognitive ability are not crucial wingnut skills

124 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:29:27am

re: #112 munu

WOW! Didn’t expect that kind of reaction.

What kind?

125 Ming  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:29:37am

In this case, I think it’s about the awesome power of the dollar.

Like the saying from the move The Right Stuff, no bucks, no Buck Rogers. Limbaugh so desperately wants his cash flow restored, he’s actually willing to make a quasi-non-apology.

Maybe he’ll go on Fox, on Greta’s show, or Huckabee’s, and do the full Monty non-apology. He wants those advertiser dollars back, right now.

126 M. Dubious  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:30:24am

re: #112 munu

WOW! Didn’t expect that kind of reaction.

What do you mean by “expect”?

127 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:31:07am

re: #125 Ming

I’m not so sure. Each of these apologies is actually just another parcel of insults. He’s not really backing down at all, just enjoying the attention.

He’s already incredibly rich. I doubt he really wants much more money. The apologies aren’t working, either, since they’re so obviously inadequate.

128 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:31:09am

re: #100 Decatur Deb

What is woo-woo?

Magical thinking. Crystals, pyramids, ‘live foods’, living water, ‘natural’ foods, organics, cat and dogs living together.

129 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:31:29am

re: #125 Ming

In this case, I think it’s about the awesome power of the dollar.

Like the saying from the move The Right Stuff, no bucks, no Buck Rogers. Limbaugh so desperately wants his cash flow restored, he’s actually willing to make a quasi-non-apology.

Maybe he’ll go on Fox, on Greta’s show, or Huckabee’s, and do the full Monty non-apology. He wants those advertiser dollars back, right now.

Don’t know why he’d even care. It’s not likely he’ll die hungry under a bridge.

130 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:32:05am

re: #112 munu

WOW! Didn’t expect that kind of reaction.

Define “reaction”.

131 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:32:17am
132 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:32:42am

re: #112 munu

WOW! Didn’t expect that kind of reaction.

What do you mean by “WOW!”?

133 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:33:23am

re: #113 Decatur Deb

re: #108 Lidane

Oh. So he’s just an idiot.

Maher’s one of those people who fails to differentiate between argument by logic and rhetorical flourish. If he can land a snappy comment on someone, it nullifies their structured, evidence-based analysis. Seriously, that’s how he “argues” about pharm and vaccine stuff.

He’s not dumb, but he vastly overestimates his own intelligence and erudition, and is too egoistic to really be a rational thinker. He’s also hateful—specifically towards women and religion—in a way that shows his affectation of “reasoning” is pretty damn thin.

134 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:33:29am

re: #129 Decatur Deb

Don’t know why he’d even care. It’s not likely he’ll die hungry under a bridge.

Great. Another nice daytime fantasy destroyed.

Image: illus2.jpg

135 M. Dubious  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:33:29am
136 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:33:42am

re: #130 Phlebas

Define “reaction”.

Don’t fall for it, Munu! It’s a trap!

137 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:34:32am

re: #71 munu

I’m curious. What was said on this blog, about Bill Maher’s comments?

Bill Maher is an ignorant slut.

Now go back into hibernation for five hundred years, the Idiocracy should be ready for you by then.

138 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:34:40am

re: #129 Decatur Deb

Don’t know why he’d even care. It’s not likely he’ll die hungry under a bridge.

True. I’d put money on ‘face down in the bathroom, OD’d on Oxy’.

139 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:34:52am

re: #130 Phlebas

Define “reaction”.

I’m still focused on WOW.

140 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:34:55am

re: #136 Killgore Trout

Don’t fall for it, Munu! It’s a trap!

A trap trap or a 4chan trap?


DAMMIT why can’t I stop myself?

141 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:35:26am

I’m pretty damned cynical about the right wing, but I have to admit I was a bit astounded by the insanity that poured out of the wingnuts last week.

It was like a mass nervous breakdown — like they just couldn’t stop themselves from spewing hatred. Unreal.

142 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:35:30am
143 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:35:32am

re: #132 Saint Putin on a Toast

What do you mean by “WOW!”?

You shmuck, you read my mind and stole my funny one liner.

144 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:35:44am

re: #139 b_sharp

I’m still focused on WOW.

World of Warcraft?

145 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:36:04am

re: #139 b_sharp

I’m still focused on WOW.

I’m sorta hung up on ‘that.’

147 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:36:23am

re: #141 Charles Johnson

I’m pretty damned cynical about the right wing, but I have to admit I was a bit astounded by the insanity that poured out of the wingnuts last week.

It was like a mass nervous breakdown — like they just couldn’t stop themselves from spewing hatred. Unreal.

Your statement carries the unspoken assumption they would have wanted to stop themselves. I challenge that underlying assumption.

148 M. Dubious  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:36:41am

re: #136 Killgore Trout

Don’t fall for it, Munu! It’s a trap!

God yes. We’re all acquiring the mad skills now and I’ll beat your ass to a question mark later.

149 EdDantes  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:37:35am

re: #95 Decatur Deb

Worse, for a comedian, he’s pretty unfunny.

I’ve seen Maher on tv for over 20 years. The only thing he ever said that I thought was funny was imagining a Jew turned Catholic (in confessional with lawyer)

” Forgive me Father for I have sinned. You know my attorney Mr. Goldstein….?”

150 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:37:46am

re: #137 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

Bill Maher is an ignorant slut.

Now go back into hibernation for five hundred years, the Idiocracy should be ready for you by then.

OK, I have to do my scolding thing here where I say that I really wish you wouldn’t use that term to refer to someone, even if it is intended to be a joke/reference to an old sketch. Yes, clearly the best way to tell if I’m around and paying attention to call someone a bad name.

151 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:37:51am

re: #144 Phlebas

World of Warcraft?

I was confused by that possibility.
Is he human or an Orc?

152 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:38:05am

Ok, OT: Does anybody else here realize that there is no way in hell you will NOT go to the 3 Stooges movie, even given the strong likelihood they will make a hash of it?

153 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:38:45am

re: #151 b_sharp

I was confused by that possibility.
Is he human or an Orc?

If you have to ask, you can’t afford it. Or something.

154 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:39:05am

re: #152 Phlebas

Something about wild horses…

155 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:39:13am

re: #150 Simply Sarah

OK, I have to do my scolding thing here where I say that I really wish you wouldn’t use that term to refer to someone, even if it is intended to be a joke/reference to an old sketch. Yes, clearly the best way to tell if I’m around and paying attention to call someone a bad name.

Gumdrop is a bad name!

156 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:39:35am

re: #149 EdDantes

I’ve seen Maher on tv for over 20 years. The only thing he ever said that I thought was funny was imagining a Jew turned Catholic (in confessional with lawyer)

” Forgive me Father for I have sinned. You know my attorney Mr. Goldstein…?”

Ah, but who can forget Maher in his greatest cinematic achievement ever, “Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death”?

157 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:40:05am

Interesting: Thirteen French officers ‘captured by Syrian Army’

Thirteen French officers have been captured by Syrian forces according to the Lebanon-based Daily Star newspaper, the first mainstream media outlet to report on rumours of Western troops on the ground.

158 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:40:21am

re: #152 Phlebas

Ok, OT: Does anybody else here realize that there is no way in hell you will NOT go to the 3 Stooges movie, even given the strong likelihood they will make a hash of it?

If I want to see the 3 Stooges, I’ll watch the 3 Stooges

159 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:40:30am

re: #154 jaunte

Something about wild horses…

I saw the preview yesterday. My rational side tells me that there is no way in hell that this project can succeed. My lizard brain, on the other hand, is jumping up and down and screaming “Why, I oughta……”

160 allegro  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:40:49am

re: #152 Phlebas

Ok, OT: Does anybody else here realize that there is no way in hell you will NOT go to the 3 Stooges movie, even given the strong likelihood they will make a hash of it?

Not even tempted. I only like the ones with the original Curly that no one could ever equal.

161 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:41:13am

re: #158 Kragar

If I want to see the 3 Stooges, I’ll watch the 3 Stooges

Hannity, O’Rielly, & Beck.

162 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:41:37am

re: #158 Kragar

If I want to see the 3 Stooges, I’ll watch the 3 Stooges

Hated them for over 60 years.

163 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:41:39am

re: #157 Killgore Trout

Fog of war and all that. I wouldn’t lend 100% credence to a Lebanese paper reporting on Syria.

164 erik_t  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:41:52am

re: #157 Killgore Trout

Interesting: Thirteen French officers ‘captured by Syrian Army’

And not a solitary enlisted man? Is this a language/translation issue or a sign of BS?

165 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:42:01am

Pigboy’s last line of defense: rappers!!!

“Talk about a double standard,” Limbaugh said on air Monday, according to Dylan Stableford. “Rappers can say anything they want about women [and] it’s called art. And they win awards.”

Imus tried that. Didn’t work then, either.

166 EdDantes  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:42:12am

re: #156 BongCrodny

Ah, but who can forget Maher in his greatest cinematic achievement ever, “Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death”?

Is that available on Blue Ray? I’m all about the classics.

167 allegro  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:42:28am

re: #159 Phlebas

I saw the preview yesterday. My rational side tells me that there is no way in hell that this project can succeed. My lizard brain, on the other hand, is jumping up and down and screaming “Why, I oughta…”

What I won’t be able to resist is Johnny Depp as Tonto in the Lone Ranger. Can’t even wait for that one.

168 M. Dubious  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:42:42am

re: #141 Charles Johnson

I’m pretty damned cynical about the right wing, but I have to admit I was a bit astounded by the insanity that poured out of the wingnuts last week.

It was like a mass nervous breakdown — like they just couldn’t stop themselves from spewing hatred. Unreal.

Political lemmings.

169 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:43:05am

re: #163 Phlebas

Fog of war and all that. I wouldn’t lend 100% credence to a Lebanese paper reporting on Syria.

Seem to remember that some groups call all Europeans “Franks”, since the crusades.

170 ElCapitanAmerica  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:43:12am

re: #67 Charles Johnson

I totally disagree. There is NO legitimate argument in favor of allowing employers to decide whether women employees should have contraception.

Actually, if there was no legitimate argument over it the president wouldn’t have offered a compromise. A compromise I might add that was accepted by some parts of the Church (even the more liberal ones), while the bishops still had objections. Its at that point that I was referring to.

The GOP picked the ball from that point and are pushing something else, I’m not sure what it is, but to say that the initial proposal from the president didn’t pose some issues that needed to be discussed is kind of ignoring what is going on here. Issues that could come up to the supreme court.

Hey I know this is an unpopular opinion here (see some of the responses), but I think a distinction has to be made between the original objection to the plan which even Biden didn’t like, and the current “discussion” after the compromise who the lunatic fringe of the GOP has now picked up.

You guys want to say both things are the same, be my guest of course.

171 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:43:27am

re: #165 makeitstop

Pigboy’s last line of defense: rappers!!!

Imus tried that. Didn’t work then, either.

Yeah, and it’s horrible that is what happens. What happened to not sinking down to other people’s levels, Rush?

172 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:43:27am

re: #164 erik_t

And not a solitary enlisted man? Is this a language/translation issue or a sign of BS?

Anything is possible. It might be a bogus report, they might be military advisers or facilitators.

173 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:43:28am

re: #157 Killgore Trout

I’ve said for some time now that France is taking the lead due to their historic ties to the Levant (including Lebanon and Syria) so it’s not exactly surprising that they might have boots on the ground - special forces potentially trying to meet up with FSA leadership and/or coordinating activities.

Also, not surprising that the French foreign ministry says no troops on the ground while the French defense ministry says they can’t confirm or deny. Those are SOP talking points when the government can’t or wont respond.

174 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:43:30am

re: #161 b_sharp

Hannity, O’Rielly, & Beck.

Or Iggy

175 erik_t  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:43:57am

re: #170 ElCapitanAmerica

Actually, if there was no legitimate argument over it the president wouldn’t have offered a compromise.

Uh… welcome to politics, friend.

176 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:45:13am

Damn. Click on the link to read the letter sent to Charles M. Blow.

More of that right-wing love.

177 allegro  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:45:31am

re: #170 ElCapitanAmerica

There’s a difference between “justifiable” and “politically expedient.”

178 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:45:35am

re: #170 ElCapitanAmerica

Actually, if there was no legitimate argument over it the president wouldn’t have offered a compromise.

That makes zero sense, especially with President Obama, who often compromises with views he finds not to have legitimate arguments in order to get something actually done.

179 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:45:42am

re: #152 Phlebas

Ok, OT: Does anybody else here realize that there is no way in hell you will NOT go to the 3 Stooges movie, even given the strong likelihood they will make a hash of it?

No. See, I have no intention of going to see it.

First, because I have not gone to the theater for a movie since Serenity, and I almost didn’t go then.
Second, because I’m not interested. I wasn’t all that impressed with the originals. The trailers make the copycats look worse.

If I have nothing else to do someday when it’s showing free on late-night channels, I might watch it. Depends how long it’s been since I washed the cats or cleaned the septic tank, I suppose.

180 erik_t  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:45:47am

re: #172 Killgore Trout

Anything is possible. It might be a bogus report, they might be military advisers or facilitators.

The latter feels dubious to me. The idea of a Western military group of any size with zero logistical or organizational tail is not impossible, but it certainly raises my eyebrow.

181 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:46:00am

re: #170 ElCapitanAmerica

tl;dnr.

Also: Corporations ≇ People, thus do not have “moral positions”. That is a modern conservative construct. The law is the law, liberty is liberty, and you, along with Rush, Rick, and Mittens can all go fuck yourselves.

182 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:46:17am

re: #152 Phlebas

Ok, OT: Does anybody else here realize that there is no way in hell you will NOT go to the 3 Stooges movie, even given the strong likelihood they will make a hash of it?

The original casting — Benecio del Toro, Sean Penn and Jim Carrey sounded a hell of a lot more interesting than Chris Diamantopolous, Sean Hayes and Will Sasso.

Saw the trailer. Should have been in black and white.

183 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:46:49am

re: #173 lawhawk

I’ve said for some time now that France is taking the lead due to their historic ties to the Levant (including Lebanon and Syria) so it’s not exactly surprising that they might have boots on the ground - special forces potentially trying to meet up with FSA leadership and/or coordinating activities.

Also, not surprising that the French foreign ministry says no troops on the ground while the French defense ministry says they can’t confirm or deny. Those are SOP talking points when the government can’t or wont respond.

I’m pleasantly surprised that NATO (or maybe just the French) are getting involved. I thought Libya would have been enough adventurism for them.

184 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:47:14am

re: #182 BongCrodny

The original casting — Benecio del Toro, Sean Penn and Jim Carrey sounded a hell of a lot more interesting than Chris Diamantopolous, Sean Hayes and Will Sasso.

Saw the trailer. Should have been in black and white.

There is something compelling about relative unknowns being cast. I thought the preview made a remarkably good impression.

185 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:47:43am

re: #182 BongCrodny

The original casting — Benecio del Toro, Sean Penn and Jim Carrey sounded a hell of a lot more interesting than Chris Diamantopolous, Sean Hayes and Will Sasso.

Saw the trailer. Should have been in black and white.

The best 3 Stooges moment in any movie was their Cameo in “It’s a Mad, Mad, Mad World.”

It was just a capstone. It said, “You think this is chaos? These people don’t know from chaos.”

186 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:47:52am

re: #170 ElCapitanAmerica

Actually, if there was no legitimate argument over it the president wouldn’t have offered a compromise.

Not so. Political compromise does not mean you recognize the opposition’s argument as legitimate.

You guys want to say both things are the same, be my guest of course.

I’m not saying both things are the same, but I am saying neither thing is legitimate.

187 ElCapitanAmerica  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:47:52am

re: #181 Phlebas

tl;dnr.

Also: Corporations ≇ People, thus do not have “moral positions”. That is a modern conservative construct. The law is the law, liberty is liberty, and you, along with Rush, Rick, and Mittens can all go fuck yourselves.

Uh … ok ??? So because I said there was a more reasonable debate in the middle of this thing that justifies you lumping me with these guys who I don’t even agree with?

Religious organizations do have moral positions, I’m not sure why you’re talking to me about that. Please read what I wrote.

188 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:48:47am

re: #180 erik_t

The latter feels dubious to me. The idea of a Western military group of any size with zero logistical or organizational tail is not impossible, but it certainly raises my eyebrow.

The only time I’ve ever seen 13 officers w/o enlisted is in a class or instructional staff ride.

189 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:49:16am

re: #176 Gus

Damn. Click on the link to read the letter sent to Charles M. Blow.

More of that right-wing love.

And he’s such a sweetie pie. I don’t know why I started following him, but he makes chocolate chip cookies and he cried when Whitney died.

190 General Nimrod Bodfish  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:50:54am

re: #183 Killgore Trout

I’m pleasantly surprised that NATO (or maybe just the French) are getting involved. I thought Libya would have been enough adventurism for them.

On CNN.com’s Breaking News banner

Sen. John McCain calls for U.S. to lead an international effort to carry out airstrikes on Syrian government forces.

191 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:51:05am

re: #71 munu

I’m curious. What was said on this blog, about Bill Maher’s comments?

I was just about to post about the Maher equivocation…

192 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:51:20am

re: #189 wrenchwench

And he’s such a sweetie pie. I don’t know why I started following him, but he makes chocolate chip cookies and he cried when Whitney died.

I know. I started following him a couple off months ago. They really got bent out of shape with the “magic underwear” thing. Which is funny because even the wingnuts were joking about “magic underwear” prior to that. Seriously? Telling him that he will be going back to “picking cotton” and singing “Mammy”? WTF.

193 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:52:06am

Time for a rerun:

284 Sergey Romanov 3/03/2012 8:17:59 am PST

munu-munu
papa pararam
munu-munu
paparapam

194 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:52:16am

re: #187 ElCapitanAmerica

No, and no. Religious organizations represent, or proselytize, or support a certain moral position. In America, this moral position cannot be extended to those not interested in it. The Church receptionist has the same right to healthcare as the IBM receptionist.

195 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:53:30am

Well, hell.

Jane Lynch is in “Three Stooges”?

I won’t say I’m convinced, but…

196 erik_t  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:54:16am

re: #194 Phlebas

No, and no. Religious organizations represent, or proselytize, or support a certain moral position. In America, this moral position cannot be extended to those not interested in it. The Church receptionist has the same right to healthcare as the IBM receptionist.

And IBM has every (that is, zero) right to foist their morals on me as does the Church.

197 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:54:44am

re: #196 erik_t

Your point being?

198 erik_t  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:55:15am

re: #197 Phlebas

Agreement, I think.

199 ElCapitanAmerica  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:57:45am

Geez … I think some people are in attack mode and can’t even sense when somebody is just backing up their arguments. Calm people, calm …

200 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:59:58am
“Talk about a double standard,” Limbaugh said on air Monday, according to Dylan Stableford. “Rappers can say anything they want about women [and] it’s called art. And they win awards.”

Rush can say anything he wants just like those rappers. And people can say anything they want about it. So Rush, go ahead and keep calling women sluts. You’re free to do it.

It’s amazing how Rush is acting exactly like the caricature he has painted of the left.

201 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:00:14pm

re: #198 erik_t

Agreement, I think.

Thought so. Inflection is tough on the internet….

202 munu  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:01:06pm

re: #115 Saint Putin on a Toast

I expected an answer to my question.

203 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:02:53pm

re: #202 munu

I expected an answer to my question.

You got them, though, right? Maher gets criticized on this site a lot. I’ve personally criticized him for the way he talks about Palin.

What more are you looking for?

204 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:03:27pm

re: #202 munu

I expected an answer to my question.

Define “answer”.
Actually, define “question” and “Maher”.

205 erik_t  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:03:59pm

re: #196 erik_t

And IBM has every (that is, zero) right to foist their morals on me as does the Church.

Derp. Has the same right, which is to say: zero right.

How do I English?

206 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:04:25pm

re: #204 Phlebas

Maher = vaccine denying loon.

207 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:04:27pm

re: #202 munu

I expected an answer to my question.

Did you try the search box?

208 munu  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:06:16pm

That was all. Thank You

209 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:10:51pm

re: #208 munu

That was all. Thank You

I’ll miss him/her/it. He/she/it was a breath of fresh air an unbearable turd.

210 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:15:04pm

re: #150 Simply Sarah

OK, I have to do my scolding thing here where I say that I really wish you wouldn’t use that term to refer to someone, even if it is intended to be a joke/reference to an old sketch. Yes, clearly the best way to tell if I’m around and paying attention to call someone a bad name.

There’s more to it than a joke and a reference to an old skit. Applying that term to a man, whether Rush or Maher, highlights the colossal double-standard of sexual behavior that exists for men and women in this society, and that was the subject of an earlier discussion. Calling a man promiscuous in some way, an “alley-cat” for example, would either be taken as praise or met with puzzlement.

211 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:18:23pm

re: #210 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

There’s more to it than a joke and a reference to an old skit. Applying that term to a man, whether Rush or Maher, highlights the colossal double-standard of sexual behavior that exists for men and women in this society, and that was the subject of an earlier discussion. Calling a man promiscuous in some way, an “alley-cat” for example, would either be taken as praise or met with puzzlement.

Well, my issue was, in part, with the word choice. If you’d used a term that wasn’t so strongly linked to attacking women, you might have been able to demonstrate the double standard without, in some ways, reenforcing it.

212 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:24:39pm

re: #202 munu

I expected an answer to my question.

Try reading.

I have better things to do than play dumb moral equivalence games with right wing parrots, but there are quite a few direct answers to your talking point.

213 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:25:54pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

Try reading.

There you go again with your liberal, elitist expectations.

214 Jimmi the Grey  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:59:50pm

re: #53 ElCapitanAmerica

Charles;

There is a legitimate argument on that end, it was raised by religious groups (like the Catholic Bishops and even the less conservative groups within the Church). This though, after the compromise and all the other stuff is the GOP taking the ball and tripping all over themselves.

Got here late, but feel the need to respond.

The legitimate argument of religious freedom is that no church has a right to use law to enforce it’s dogma. That was one of the prime intents of the separation of church and state. The church is presenting the argument that it does and that by denying it the ability it violates said separation.

215 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:27:13pm

re: #164 erik_t

And not a solitary enlisted man? Is this a language/translation issue or a sign of BS?

The French Army is experimenting with the ST:NG rank system. Did anyone check how many of them had red uniforms?
/

216 ipsos  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 4:03:25pm

re: #200 Kronocide

Rush can say anything he wants just like those rappers. And people can say anything they want about it. So Rush, go ahead and keep calling women sluts. You’re free to do it.

Somebody help me here…what was that rap song that specifically called out a private individual about her (alleged) sex life, 53 times? I just can’t quite think of it…anyone? anyone?


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