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Peter Gabriel to Rush Limbaugh: Stop Using My Music

“Appalled”
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Peter Gabriel has issued a statement about Rush Limbaugh’s use of his music to promote hate speech:

“Peter was appalled to learn that his music was linked to Rush Limbaugh’s extraordinary attack on Sandra Fluke. It is obvious from anyone that knows Peter’s work that he would never approve such a use. He has asked his representatives to make sure his music is withdrawn and especially from these unfair aggressive and ignorant comments.”

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1 ElCapitanAmerica  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:46:10am

What song is he referring to specifically?

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:46:26am

Peter Gabriel also supports the Russian democratic opposition. Classy guy all around.

Youtube Video
3 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:46:58am

re: #1 ElCapitanAmerica

Peter's response to 'Sledgehammer' on the Rush Limbaugh show

4 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:47:10am

Limbaugh uses "Big Time" as bumper music.

5 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:47:50am

Yeah - also "Sledgehammer."

6 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:48:40am

Saw PG twice in concert; once in Great Woods in the late 80s, then in Munich in 2003 or thereabouts. Voice pretty much gone, but a great show. IMO, Genesis died when he left.

7 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:48:42am

Maybe Phil Collins will ask him to stop using "Easy Lover," too.

8 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:50:48am

OT, sort of:

The Incredible Shrinking Party:
SC County GOP: If You’ve Had Pre-Marital Sex, You Can’t Be A Republican

Before you can join the Laurens County Republican Party in South Carolina and get on the primary ballot, they ask that you pledge that you’ve never ever had pre-marital sex — and that you will never ever look at porn again.

9 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:52:02am

re: #8 jaunte

OT, sort of:

The Incredible Shrinking Party:
SC County GOP: If You’ve Had Pre-Marital Sex, You Can’t Be A Republican

They're going to need a smaller tent.

10 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:52:13am

re: #8 jaunte

I can promise all kinds of shit.

11 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:53:03am

Maybe these nutters will self select themselves out of existence by not procreating.

12 erik_t  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:53:06am

re: #7 jaunte

Maybe Phil Collins will ask him to stop using "Easy Lover," too.

I believe you mean 'Easy Hysterical Sexer'.

13 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:53:35am

re: #2 Saint Putin on a Toast

Peter Gabriel also supports the Russian democratic opposition. Classy guy all around.

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Your participle is dangling again...

;)

14 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:53:39am

re: #8 jaunte

OT, sort of:

The incredible Shrinking Party:
SC County GOP: If You’ve Had Pre-Marital Sex, You Can’t Be A Republican

They'll handle this the same way they handle other social issues: They'll lie.

15 ElCapitanAmerica  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:53:49am

Surprised he hasn't objected to the use of his songs way before though ...

16 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:54:14am

re: #8 jaunte

OT, sort of:

The incredible Shrinking Party:
SC County GOP: If You’ve Had Pre-Marital Sex, You Can’t Be A Republican

ROFL. As if anyone answering those questions would be telling the truth.

17 R.M, Ramallo  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:55:31am

Hooray !!! Now I love him even more !!!

18 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:55:41am

Romney supports federal mandate

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19 EdDantes  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:56:12am

re: #8 jaunte

OT, sort of:

The Incredible Shrinking Party:
SC County GOP: If You’ve Had Pre-Marital Sex, You Can’t Be A Republican

I'm not a Republican? News to me.

20 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:56:39am

Now playing:

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21 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:56:44am

re: #8 jaunte

OT, sort of:

The Incredible Shrinking Party:
SC County GOP: If You’ve Had Pre-Marital Sex, You Can’t Be A Republican

Their ideal primary candidate would be a blind castrato with a full-auto M-14.

22 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:57:15am

Rush is an ignorant----oh, wait, Sarah is probably still around-----a poorly informed charlatan with the ethics (though not the resourcefulness) of a coke-addicted district attorney who finances his habit by taking bribes from the Sinaloa drug cartel.

23 iossarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:57:23am

re: #10 Obdicut

I can promise all kinds of shit.

I think they also make you promise that all your promises are true. Including that one.

24 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:57:37am

re: #21 Decatur Deb

Their ideal primary candidate would be a blind castrato with a full-auto M-14.

Here ya go:

Image: Varys3.jpg

25 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:57:58am

re: #14 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

They'll handle this the same way they handle other social issues: They'll lie.

Pfft. Saddlebacking isn't pre-marital sex! My wife and I were virgins when we got married.

Why do you hate America?

26 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:58:38am

How does music licensing work? Can Peter Gabriel pull the license and the music?

27 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:58:40am

re: #23 iossarian

I think they also make you promise that all your promises are true. Including that one.

I know where to go for cheap porn and desperately horny chicks....

[Link: www.laurenscountysc.org...]

28 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:59:31am

re: #8 jaunte

OT, sort of:

The Incredible Shrinking Party:
SC County GOP: If You’ve Had Pre-Marital Sex, You Can’t Be A Republican

I think they should bite the bullet and go all out. If you had any sex you can't be a Republican and they can go the way of the Shakers.

29 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:59:34am

re: #26 Daniel Ballard

How does music licensing work? Can Peter Gabriel pull the license and the music?

I think most of the stuff is off copyright.

[Link: ascap.org...]

30 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:00:25pm

re: #26 Daniel Ballard

How does music licensing work? Can Peter Gabriel pull the license and the music?

If he owns the copyrights, then yeah. I'd think he'd have some say in who can and who can't use his music, even if they pay for it.

31 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:00:27pm

Sounds like Mr. Gabriel is shocking the monkey.

32 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:00:36pm

re: #29 Phlebas

I think most of the stuff is off copyright.

[Link: ascap.org...]

Wait--I thought Disney had made copyright last forever and ever.

33 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:01:30pm

re: #32 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Wait--I thought Disney had made copyright last forever and ever.

They did. It's now something stupid like the life of the creator plus 75 years. It might even be more than that, I can't remember.

34 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:01:49pm

What does Rush have against current and former Genesis band members?

First it was using Gabriel's Sledgehammer. Then it's using Phil Collins' Easy Lover.

What's next? Using Mike and the Mechanics' Get Up?

Collins' I Don't Care Anymore?

The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway?

More power to Gabriel for trying to get Rush to quit using his music in association with all this.

Doubt Rush will go and do this - and for that, watch Gabriel to potentially press this with ASCAP.

35 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:01:50pm

World's loneliest girls:

Image: miss%2Blaurens%2Bcounty.jpg

36 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:02:40pm

re: #35 Phlebas

World's loneliest girls:

Image: miss%2Blaurens%2Bcounty.jpg

Image: miss_laurens_county.jpg

37 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:03:02pm

NY Times:

[...]

Mr. Limbaugh, on his program Monday, asserted that the advertisers that had stepped away “have profited handsomely from you” in the past.

Then he said bluntly, “We’ll replace them.”

“Advertising is a business decision, it’s not a social one. Only the leftists try to use extortion, pressure, threats to silence opposing voices. We don’t do that.”

Sounds like what Rush was trying to do to Ms. Fluke. I don't expect him to understand irony, though. Or hypocrisy.

38 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:04:35pm

re: #36 Phlebas

Image: miss_laurens_county.jpg

Wonder why there seems to be two Miss Laurens County's.

39 erik_t  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:04:59pm

re: #36 Phlebas

Image: miss_laurens_county.jpg

You were right upstairs - my language was exactly backwards. Even PIMF can't save me sometimes...

40 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:05:10pm

re: #33 Lidane

They did. It's now something stupid like the life of the creator plus 75 years. It might even be more than that, I can't remember.

Mary Bono has admitted that her husbands wanted copyright to be eternal.

If that were so, Disney would have had to pay the Grimm Brothers foundation for their works as well as the Hans Christian Anderson foundation.

It would be like the land in England, where everything was locked up in entailed estates. I'm against entailment, and I'm against eternal copyrights.

41 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:05:40pm

re: #38 Decatur Deb

Wonder why there seems to be two Miss Laurens County's.

I think one is "Outstanding Teen"

42 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:06:06pm

re: #6 Phlebas

Saw PG twice in concert; once in Great Woods in the late 80s, then in Munich in 2003 or thereabouts. Voice pretty much gone, but a great show. IMO, Genesis died when he left.

Genesis changed, but they didn't die until sometime later when they were infected by the pop virus.

43 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:06:44pm

re: #39 erik_t

You were right upstairs - my language was exactly backwards. Even PIMF can't save me sometimes...

lol. And me in the middle of trying to finish 1Q84, work a bit, and fiddle with Pandora.

44 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:06:57pm

re: #34 lawhawk

What does Rush have against current and former Genesis band members?

First it was using Gabriel's Sledgehammer. Then it's using Phil Collins' Easy Lover.

What's next? Using Mike and the Mechanics' Get Up?

Collins' I Don't Care Anymore?

The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway?

More power to Gabriel for trying to get Rush to quit using his music in association with all this.

Doubt Rush will go and do this - and for that, watch Gabriel to potentially press this with ASCAP.

He may have a case. Remember Chrissie Hynde butted heads with Limbaugh over his using 'My City Was Gone.' Rush only got to keep using Chrissie's song by paying her a half million annually for the rights.

45 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:07:04pm

Fantastic!

46 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:08:15pm

re: #40 To hold my temper, most of the time.

I'm all for creators being paid for their work, but eternal copyright is stupid. Eventually, everything has to revert to the public domain.

Also, it's hilarious that Disney would want eternal copyright given that so much of their material depends on stories and fables in the public domain.

47 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:08:26pm

re: #44 makeitstop

He may have a case. Remember Chrissie Hynde butted heads with Limbaugh over his using 'My City Was Gone.' Rush only got to keep using Chrissie's song by paying her a half million annually for the rights.

So... Chrissie could be bought.

(maybe she's donating the money somewhere)

48 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:08:44pm

What Rush can do under an ASCAP license depends on what rights he had negotiated.

An ASCAP radio license gives the holder:
Access to every variety of music you need to attract and entertain your viewers.
The immediate right to perform great new music written or published by our members.
Access to perform music in the repertories of similar foreign performing rights organizations in nearly every country around the world where copyright law exists.
The right to perform music in commercials and jingles.

The ASCAP license does not provide the right to record copyrighted music, or change the lyric of a copyrighted work and use it in a commercial jingle or station promotion. These are known as "mechanical" or "recording" and "synchronization" rights and you should deal directly with the copyright owners for permission to record music or change a song. You may also want to contact the Harry Fox Agency at[no phone numbers allowed].

49 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:10:48pm

re: #46 Lidane

I'm all for creators being paid for their work, but eternal copyright is stupid. Eventually, everything has to revert to the public domain.

Also, it's hilarious that Disney would want eternal copyright given that so much of their material depends on stories and fables in the public domain.

Lifetime plus fifty was, I think, for the surviving spouse. Still, Disney has taken this to the point of absurdity.

50 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:10:58pm

re: #47 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So... Chrissie could be bought.

(maybe she's donating the money somewhere)

From what I understand, she donates it to PETA.

51 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:11:58pm

re: #46 Lidane

Disney has taken the characters of those stories and for all intents and purposes owns them now and they want to keep it that way.

52 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:12:18pm

re: #45 Gus

Fantastic!

But I don't see Rush Limbaugh.

53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:12:27pm

re: #50 makeitstop

From what I understand, she donates it to PETA.

She'd get under Rush's skin a little more by giving it to an underfunded Planned Parenthood chapter.

54 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:12:58pm

re: #49 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Lifetime plus fifty was, I think, for the surviving spouse. Still, Disney has taken this to the point of absurdity.

It stifles innovation. It's very weird that Disney appropriates so freely from other sources and protects its own copyright so vehemently.

55 Charleston Chew  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:13:34pm

I warned Rush a week ago:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

56 erik_t  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:14:02pm

re: #54 Obdicut

It stifles innovation. It's very weird that Disney appropriates so freely from other sources and protects its own copyright so vehemently.

Weird? It's exactly what an intelligent invisible hand would do. Amoral at best, but certainly acting in its own best interests.

57 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:14:07pm

re: #54 Obdicut

It stifles innovation. It's very weird that Disney appropriates so freely from other sources and protects its own copyright so vehemently.

Well, I'm sure the free market will make them pay for their greed.

58 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:14:46pm

re: #22 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

Rush is an ignorant---oh, wait, Sarah is probably still around---a poorly informed charlatan with the ethics (though not the resourcefulness) of a coke-addicted district attorney who finances his habit by taking bribes from the Sinaloa drug cartel.

Not perfect, but much better. :P

59 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:14:52pm

re: #56 erik_t

Weird? It's exactly what an intelligent invisible hand would do. Amoral at best, but certainly acting in its own best interests.

Meh, it's short-term good, but I think it stifles innovation. Anything that transgresses too far from what's been done before can't be fully supported. Disney is constrained by their legacy.

60 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:15:09pm

re: #57 b_sharp

Well, I'm sure the free market will make them pay for their greed.

Your sarc tags fell off the pooter screen.

61 M. Dubious  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:16:26pm

re: #50 makeitstop

From what I understand, she donates it to PETA.

Rush is funding PETA? Heh.

62 Charleston Chew  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:16:42pm

re: #48 lawhawk

What Rush can do under an ASCAP license depends on what rights he had negotiated.

This is not at all my area, but perhaps one might argue Rush is in violation of "synchronization" rights, because he talks over it. I assume he already has the right to play the music like a normal radio dj.

63 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:16:59pm

re: #60 Phlebas

Your sarc tags fell off the pooter screen.

I ran out of them years ago.

64 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:18:50pm

Caught some wingnut radio when I grabbed lunch. The consensus?

"How dare Fluke not be grateful and feel overawed by Rush's apology?!"

65 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:19:11pm

re: #62 Charleston Chew

That would be my guess.

66 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:19:16pm

Rush probably doesn't even know whose song he's hijacked. Some intern in his media-industrial complex, EIB, probably snagged it somewhere and took it to a producer, who declared, "Hey, that's a catchy tune," and folded it into the show.

67 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:19:24pm

re: #50 makeitstop

From what I understand, she donates it to PETA.

Well, just to piss off Rush, but PETA still sucks.

68 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:21:07pm

re: #50 makeitstop

From what I understand, she donates it to PETA.

She should really piss him off and split the money between PETA, Planned Parenthood, and Amnesty International. That would be fun.

69 M. Dubious  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:21:33pm

re: #67 Learned Mother of Zion

Well, just to piss off Rush, but PETA still sucks.

Their calendar is awesome.

70 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:21:34pm

re: #64 Kragar

Caught some wingnut radio when I grabbed lunch. The consensus?

"How dare Fluke not be grateful and feel overawed by Rush's apology?!"

Are you OK? No serious damage I hope.

71 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:21:46pm

re: #68 Lidane

She should really piss him off and split the money between PETA, Planned Parenthood, and Amnesty International. That would be fun.

How about the Humane Society. They do some very important work.

72 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:23:05pm

Imus gave a lot better and more convincing apology to the Rutgers basketball team. It was excruciating for him, but still relatively straightforward: He said something stupid and crass in a lame attempt to be funny.

It's harder for Rush: When you push the same invective for 3 days running and try to spin it into a major political trope, you can't very well claim it was the result of a thoughtless moment.

73 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:23:12pm

re: #71 To hold my temper, most of the time.

How about the Humane Society. They do some very important work.

They're a great service, but they don't have enough piss potential.

74 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:23:12pm

re: #70 b_sharp

Are you OK? No serious damage I hope.

My allergic reaction to conservative radio consists of Tourette syndrome.

75 Charleston Chew  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:23:23pm

re: #8 jaunte

OT, sort of:

The Incredible Shrinking Party:
SC County GOP: If You’ve Had Pre-Marital Sex, You Can’t Be A Republican

According to a study:

Of those interviewed in 2002, 95% reported they had had premarital sex; 93% said they did so by age 30. Among women born in the 1940s, nearly nine in 10 did. At the same time, people are waiting longer to marry; 2005 data show median age at first marriage is just over 25 for women and 27 for men.

So they've reduced the pool of potential Republicans down to 5%. And half of those people probably don't want to be one, anyway.

76 Interesting Times  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:23:48pm
77 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:25:50pm

re: #72 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

Imus gave a lot better and more convincing apology to the Rutgers basketball team. It was excruciating for him, but still relatively straightforward: He said something stupid and crass in a lame attempt to be funny.

It's harder for Rush: When you push the same invective for 3 days running and try to spin it into a major political trope, you can't very well claim it was the result of a thoughtless moment.

One of the radio djs was pushing the satire, "failed joke" meme as hard as she could.

78 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:25:54pm

re: #66 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

Rush probably doesn't even know whose song he's hijacked. Some intern in his media-industrial complex, EIB, probably snagged it somewhere and took it to a producer, who declared, "Hey, that's a catchy tune," and folded it into the show.

I'm sure Rush knows Peter Gabriel's music.

79 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:26:49pm

re: #72 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

Imus gave a lot better and more convincing apology to the Rutgers basketball team. It was excruciating for him, but still relatively straightforward: He said something stupid and crass in a lame attempt to be funny.

It's harder for Rush: When you push the same invective for 3 days running and try to spin it into a major political trope, you can't very well claim it was the result of a thoughtless moment.

Imus' take on Limbaugh: "He’s an insincere pig."

80 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:27:13pm

re: #78 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT, your avatar is funny, but I really liked the one of you and your mother (may she rest in peace).

81 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:27:20pm

The wingnuts I've talked to are absolutely livid that Fluke stated she won't accept Rush's non-apology. Which is pretty hilarious, because they'll start off with "I don't think he had anything to apologize for, but..."

82 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:28:21pm

re: #81 Targetpractice

The wingnuts I've talked to are absolutely livid that Fluke stated she won't accept Rush's non-apology. Which is pretty hilarious, because they'll start off with "I don't think he had anything to apologize for, but..."

I'm so very sorry that I called you a parasitic, mindless, smelly invertebrate.

I didn't mean it to be a personal insult.

83 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:29:06pm

re: #80 Phlebas

OT, your avatar is funny, but I really liked the one of you and your mother (may she rest in peace).

Oh, thanks. She was only alive for a week after that picture... But the funny thing? She called that her "Aunt Fester" picture.

84 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:29:45pm

re: #82 To hold my temper, most of the time.

I'm so very sorry that I called you a parasitic, mindless, smelly invertebrate.

I didn't mean it to be a personal insult.

Yep, I didn't mean to call you that, that's what Democrats pushed me into doing!

//

85 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:30:01pm
86 Interesting Times  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:30:29pm

re: #77 Kragar

One of the radio djs was pushing the satire, "failed joke" meme as hard as she could.

87 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:30:40pm

Romney To College Student: If You Want Affordable College, ‘Shop Around’ Or Join The Military

Note to Romney, the GI bill helps, but you still have to pay for college when you get out.

88 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:31:27pm

re: #87 Kragar

A real "let them eat cake" moment.

89 erik_t  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:32:34pm

re: #87 Kragar

Romney To College Student: If You Want Affordable College, ‘Shop Around’ Or Join The Military

Note to Romney, the GI bill helps, but you still have to pay for college when you get out.

Just teach your kid to dunk!

90 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:32:51pm

re: #87 Kragar

Romney To College Student: If You Want Affordable College, ‘Shop Around’ Or Join The Military

Note to Romney, the GI bill helps, but you still have to pay for college when you get out.

"Shop around"? Is a college degree now something that you haggle over? If you get a degree from your community college, do you argue that it's "just as good" as the one from MIT?

91 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:33:16pm

re: #87 Kragar

Romney To College Student: If You Want Affordable College, ‘Shop Around’ Or Join The Military

Note to Romney, the GI bill helps, but you still have to pay for college when you get out.

But I thought that wanting to go to college made someone an elitist snob.

Would these people please get their talking points straight already?

92 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:33:52pm

Romney's pants are on fire again.

93 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:34:22pm

re: #91 Lidane

But I thought that wanting to go to college made someone an elitist snob.

Would these people please get their talking points straight already?

Going to a college and getting any sort of government aid to do so (other than from the military) makes you an elitist snob. Having your dad pay for it means you deserve to be there.

94 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:34:32pm

re: #91 Lidane

But I thought that wanting to go to college made someone an elitist snob.

Would these people please get their talking points straight already?

Not a shred of logic in you, woman. That's why you should restrict yourself to cooking, birthing and cleaning.

//

95 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:35:17pm

re: #89 erik_t

Just teach your kid to dunk!


No college for you.

96 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:35:18pm

re: #93 Obdicut

Going to a college and getting any sort of government aid to do so (other than from the military) makes you an elitist snob. Having your dad pay for it means you deserve to be there.

Especially if you get in as a legacy, no matter how much of a dumbass you are.

97 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:36:12pm

re: #94 Phlebas

Not a shred of logic in you, woman. That's why you should restrict yourself to cooking, birthing and cleaning.

//

In which order? Last night my daughter was laughing so hard she was falling off the chair at a website full of placenta recipes.

98 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:36:46pm

re: #93 Obdicut

Going to a college and getting any sort of government aid to do so (other than from the military) makes you an elitist snob. Having your dad pay for it means you deserve to be there.

Getting into a good college proves you loved Jesus more.

99 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:37:27pm

re: #81 Targetpractice

The wingnuts I've talked to are absolutely livid that Fluke stated she won't accept Rush's non-apology. Which is pretty hilarious, because they'll start off with "I don't think he had anything to apologize for, but..."

Had it been an actual apology, I would have said Ms. Fluke would be the bigger person if she accepted it.

But it wasn't an apology, it was just used as another opportunity to repeat the lies told about her testimony.

100 aagcobb  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:38:56pm

re: #87 Kragar

Romney To College Student: If You Want Affordable College, ‘Shop Around’ Or Join The Military

Note to Romney, the GI bill helps, but you still have to pay for college when you get out.

College costs almost nothing, Romney could easily afford to send several of his kids to college on the pittance he receives for public speaking./

101 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:40:04pm

re: #100 Weareallslutsnow

College costs almost nothing, Romney could easily afford to send several of his kids to college on the pittance he receives for public speaking./

The SNL Romney skit was pretty funny.

102 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:40:44pm

re: #99 Slumbering Behemoth

Had it been an actual apology, I would have said Ms. Fluke would be the bigger person if she accepted it.

But it wasn't an apology, it was just used as another opportunity to repeat the lies told about her testimony.

I can't imagine any parent who would, after hearing a man call their daughter a "slut" and a "prostitute" for 3 days, accepting an "apology" that goes "I'm sorry for using the word 'slut,' but still think I'm right about how much sex she has."

103 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:41:19pm

Anti-Gay Pastor Continues Crusade Against Houston Mayor Parker: ‘We Are On The Side That God Has Declared’

“Let all of those who believe that marriage ought to be defined and God defines it, as one man and one woman, stand up once and for all, declare we are on the side that God has declared,” said Pastor Riggle.

In the presence of 3,000 worshipers, the pastor discussed the letter he sent to Houston Mayor Annise Parker.

“A week ago Friday, I sent this letter to Mayor Parker. While we continue to pray for you, we will not support your actions or let you redefine what has always been the definition of marriage,” said Riggle. [...] “76 percent of the people of Texas and 72 percent of Harris County approved of what I respectfully asked you to do, as the Mayor of Houston, Texas, stand with the expressed will of the people and the constitution of Texas on definition of marriage,” said Riggle.

God declared what side he was on? Did I miss a pyrotechnic shrubbery or something?

104 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:42:14pm

re: #97 To hold my temper, most of the time.

In which order? Last night my daughter was laughing so hard she was falling off the chair at a website full of placenta recipes.

I'd be horrified and laughing in equal measure if I saw that.

I get why animals would eat a placenta, since predators might be nearby and they want to protect themselves and their young. There is no reason apart from woo-woo magical thinking for a human to do that. Ever. Gross.

105 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:42:50pm

re: #102 Targetpractice

I can't imagine any parent who would, after hearing a man call their daughter a "slut" and a "prostitute" for 3 days, accepting an "apology" that goes "I'm sorry for using the word 'slut,' but still think I'm right about how much sex she has."

Thats the whole thing right there. He's very sorry he used the words, but he's not sorry he misrepresented her whole testimony and dragged her name thru the mud.

Rush can piss off.

106 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:43:06pm

re: #103 Kragar

Anti-Gay Pastor Continues Crusade Against Houston Mayor Parker: ‘We Are On The Side That God Has Declared’

God declared what side he was on? Did I miss a pyrotechnic shrubbery or something?

There was an announcement in the Washington Times.

107 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:43:43pm

re: #106 Phlebas

There was an announcement in the Washington Times.

God is a moonie?

108 leftynyc  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:43:47pm

re: #72 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

Imus gave a lot better and more convincing apology to the Rutgers basketball team. It was excruciating for him, but still relatively straightforward: He said something stupid and crass in a lame attempt to be funny.

It's harder for Rush: When you push the same invective for 3 days running and try to spin it into a major political trope, you can't very well claim it was the result of a thoughtless moment.

Not only did Imus apologize but he also met with the basketball team and personally apologized. rush doesn't have the class or the huevos for that kind of apology.

109 erik_t  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:44:13pm

re: #103 Kragar

Anti-Gay Pastor Continues Crusade Against Houston Mayor Parker: ‘We Are On The Side That God Has Declared’

God declared what side he was on? Did I miss a pyrotechnic shrubbery or something?

Mitt Romney wouldn't have personally used any of the words 'ni', 'peng' or 'nieeeeWHOM'.

(nieeeeeWHOM)

110 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:45:02pm

re: #87 Kragar

Romney To College Student: If You Want Affordable College, ‘Shop Around’ Or Join The Military

Note to Romney, the GI bill helps, but you still have to pay for college when you get out.

His parents, or my grandparents for that matter, come from a generation where it was possible to go to college and maybe put a down payment on a small house with the GI Bill. They figure "If you could do, why don't you lazy kids get off your asses and do it too"?

They do not understand that the GI Bill today does not even come close to a fraction of a percent of doing what it did in their day.

111 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:47:19pm

re: #87 Kragar

Romney To College Student: If You Want Affordable College, ‘Shop Around’ Or Join The Military

Note to Romney, the GI bill helps, but you still have to pay for college when you get out.

Or have your mommy and daddy pay for your college and then find a way to stay out of the military (Vietnam War) and pick your nose after you graduate. -- Mittens Romney

112 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:47:33pm

re: #110 Slumbering Behemoth

His parents, or my grandparents for that matter, come from a generation where it was possible to go to college and maybe put a down payment on a small house with the GI Bill. They figure "If you could do, why don't you lazy kids get off your asses and do it too"?

They do not understand that the GI Bill today does not even come close to a fraction of a percent of doing what it did in their day.

My GI bill has sat there because I could use it and go to college, or I could work and actually make enough to take care of a wife and 2 kids and pay the bills.

Whoopedy doo.

113 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:50:24pm

re: #87 Kragar

Romney To College Student: If You Want Affordable College, ‘Shop Around’ Or Join The Military

Note to Romney, the GI bill helps, but you still have to pay for college when you get out.

Could the Stepford Candidate get any more clueless?

114 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:50:59pm

re: #112 Kragar

My grandpa went to college while my grandma worked. They were young, though, and hadn't had any kids yet.

115 erik_t  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:51:33pm

re: #113 Learned Mother of Zion

Could the Stepford Candidate get any more clueless?

Well, he could forget how many houses he owns.

Wait, I think we already covered that one.

Shit, who are we talking about again?

116 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:52:38pm

Arpaio’s ‘Volunteer’ Investigator Profits From Birther Probe

A day before the grand announcement, Zullo’s e-book quietly went up for sale online. It was first spotted on Friday by a journalist for Phoenix television station KTVK.

Zullo wouldn’t be the first person to have an eyebrow-raising event benefit their book sales. In January, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) turned a tarmac confrontation with President Obama into big time book sales, with her “Scorpions For Breakfast” skyrocketing on Amazon’s best seller list.

Zullo’s book was co-authored by Jerome Corsi, a writer for the conservative website WorldNetDaily who has been hawking the notion of a phony birth certificate for years. Corsi published his own book last year called “Where’s the Birth Certificate? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President.”

Corsi also took part in last week’s news conference and said he fed information and documents to investigators.

He told the Phoenix TV station that he and Zullo are splitting the profits from the new book, which is similarly titled “A Question of Eligibility: A Law Enforcement Investigation into Barack Obama’s Birth Certificate and His Eligibility to be President.” Neither Arpaio nor the sheriff’s office would be making any money from the book, he said.

“Since he’s a volunteer, Mike owns his work product and as such, he’s permitted to utilize that work product for compensation,” Corsi told the news station.

The sheriff has said the investigation was being conducted by his volunteer “Cold Case Posse” and its expenses were paid for by private donations, without any money coming from taxpayers.

But more recently, Arpaio said he is considering handing the investigation to some of his office’s detectives, who are funded by taxpayers, because the volunteers found what he described as “probable cause” to believe a crime was committed in the creation of the birth certificate.

117 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:55:25pm

re: #114 Slumbering Behemoth

My grandpa went to college while my grandma worked. They were young, though, and hadn't had any kids yet.

Wasn't a viable option in our case.

118 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:55:27pm

re: #116 Kragar

Probable cause? OWHWB.

119 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:56:34pm

re: #118 Slumbering Behemoth

Probable cause? OWHWB.

Occupy Wall Street Has Wascally Bunnies?

120 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:57:30pm

re: #116 Kragar

Arpaio’s ‘Volunteer’ Investigator Profits From Birther Probe

But more recently, Arpaio said he is considering handing the investigation to some of his office’s detectives, who are funded by taxpayers, because the volunteers found what he described as “probable cause” to believe a crime was committed in the creation of the birth certificate.

Translation: "The Birther money's running out, so we're making up a bullshit reason to start using taxpayer dollars on this wild goose chase."

121 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:58:45pm

re: #118 Slumbering Behemoth

Probable cause? OWHWB.

Oscar Wilde Has Written Books

122 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:58:53pm

re: #116 Kragar

Arpaio’s ‘Volunteer’ Investigator Profits From Birther Probe

Do the suckers purchasers of this book seriously believe their gullibilityintense research will lead to Obama being removed as POTUS?

123 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:58:55pm

re: #119 Gus

Heh. "Occupying White House While Black".

124 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:58:58pm

Newt’s Last Stand: I Can Bounce Back Again

He must be a Pharaoh because he certainly is the king of denial.

125 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:59:14pm
126 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:00:19pm

re: #125 Gus

Seems the non-apology and today's excuse-making haven't worked to stem the bleeding.

127 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:00:30pm
128 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:01:13pm

re: #125 Gus

Bonobo monkeys are the only species outside of humans to have sexual intercourse in a face-to-face position. Do not ask me why or how I know this.

129 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:01:27pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

Seems the non-apology and today's excuse-making haven't worked to stem the bleeding.

Yep. Fluke apparently won't accept a phone call apology from Limbaugh. Not that he's offered.

130 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:01:51pm

This should go over well:

Disney Places First Black Princess on Watermelon Candy Packet

131 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:01:54pm

re: #125 Gus

Sounds like they didn't know they were advertising on there.

132 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:02:01pm

re: #125 Gus

Artists rendering of the Limbaugh shows recent history

Youtube Video
133 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:02:31pm

re: #128 Phlebas

Bonobo monkeys are the only species outside of humans to have sexual intercourse in a face-to-face position. Do not ask me why or how I know this.

They're not monkeys, they're chimps. They also really know how to use sex to its full potential.

134 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:02:38pm

re: #127 Lidane

Yes. Because non-Jewish Republicans and conservatives know what's best for Jews.

//

Bleh.

135 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:03:06pm

re: #129 Gus

Yep. Fluke apparently won't accept a phone call apology from Limbaugh. Not that he's offered.

Look for accusations from wingnuts soon that she's holding out for money in order to forgive him.

136 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:03:16pm

re: #127 Lidane

Later on in the show, Rios said that “there are very few” religious people in Israel, “by and large Israel is an atheistic country, they don’t really believe in the God of their fathers, there’s no question about that,” and maintained that Christians must “evangelize and pray for our Jewish brothers and sisters.”

Israeli postal workers refuse to deliver New Testaments to Jewish homes as bulk mail.

137 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:04:38pm

re: #133 b_sharp

They're not monkeys, they're chimps. They also really know how to use sex to its full potential.

You seem to be well versed on issues of pygmy chimp sex. I'm telling Rush on you.

138 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:04:52pm

I'm sorry to hear of rush limbo's misuse of these great Peter Gabriel tunes. Is Limbo also still misusing that Pretender's song, My City Was Gone? Pretty much ruined it for me.

139 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:05:02pm

re: #135 Targetpractice

Look for accusations from wingnuts soon that she's holding out for money in order to forgive him.

They're still stuck on the "She's ungrateful" page of the script today.

140 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:05:52pm

Hmm? So it isn't copyright infringement when Right-wing politicians and Right-wing Media hosts use popular musicians songs in broadcasts to tens of millions of people without the artist's permission. But if I were to download the same song for my own personal and private listening I would possibly be guilty of a felony?

At what point are our supposed moral leaders in the GOP going to realize that "Do as I say, not as I do" simply is not going to work with Americans?

Then again maybe the lesson here is the utter bafflement many of them profess when accused of hypocrisy and double standards. Apparently in their mind talking about how wrong something is publicly absolves you from any guilt when you then actually do that thing. After all you "campaigned" against it, but then your "natural and inherently sinful" human weakness took over and you succumbed to the temptation, err, right? (be it infidelity, using prostitutes, using boy-toys, embezzlement, accepting bribes, or uncompensated use of others copyrighted works). How can you possibly be a hypocrite when you spoke out against something before succumbing to the Devil's temptations and giving in to it?

///(lip curl sneer)

141 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:05:54pm

re: #127 Lidane

Seriously?

a lot of Jewish atheists are some of the ones who have done, just like former Christians or quasi Christians, people who have some dealing with Judeo-Christian ethics, sometimes turn out to be the worst enemies of the country

I'm a Jewish atheist. She's talking about me.

I don't feel like I'm much of an enemy to the country. I work a lot, pay my taxes, and work with organizations to try to get environmental legislation passed.

Looks like the 'secular shariah' thing is spreading. Now it's secular Jews, too, who are the problem. Which means they actually don't like most religious Jews, either, since most religious Jews don't want their religious values imposed in public policy.

142 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:06:00pm

re: #136 Learned Mother of Zion

Israeli postal workers refuse to deliver New Testaments to Jewish homes as bulk mail.

Honestly, if I thought for a moment that it would help thwart the Evangelical right and the CUFI agenda, I would eat a ham sandwich.

143 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:06:05pm

re: #139 Kragar

They're still stuck on the "She's ungrateful" page of the script today.

"Ungrateful," my ass. She's far milder than I'd be, but I think that really suits the situation, because it makes her look like the better person.

144 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:06:45pm

re: #137 Phlebas

You seem to be well versed on issues of pygmy chimp sex. I'm telling Rush on you.

OK, but he'll have to take a number. First come, first served.

145 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:07:16pm

re: #130 Lidane

This should go over well:

Disney Places First Black Princess on Watermelon Candy Packet

*facepalm*

146 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:07:32pm

re: #141 Obdicut

Seriously?

I'm a Jewish atheist. She's talking about me.

I don't feel like I'm much of an enemy to the country. I work a lot, pay my taxes, and work with organizations to try to get environmental legislation passed.

Looks like the 'secular shariah' thing is spreading. Now it's secular Jews, too, who are the problem. Which means they actually don't like most religious Jews, either, since most religious Jews don't want their religious values imposed in public policy.

Depends where. Religious Jews in Israel, work very hard to have their religious and social agenda imposed in Israeli society as a whole

147 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:07:53pm

re: #137 Phlebas

You seem to be well versed on issues of pygmy chimp sex. I'm telling Rush on you.

My first Free Republic name was Pan paniscus.

148 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:07:53pm

re: #127 Lidane

What she's saying is that if you're a Jew and you don't agree with using the state to impose 'judeo-Christian' (which is really just "Evangelical christian") values on others, you're an enemy of the country.

Which means she's saying most Jews are enemies of the country.

149 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:07:59pm

re: #144 b_sharp

OK, but he'll have to take a number. First come, first served.

Literal LOL

150 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:08:29pm

re: #147 b_sharp

My first Free Republic name was Pan paniscus.

But, why?

151 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:08:32pm
152 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:09:03pm

re: #151 Lidane

Boom!

153 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:09:11pm

re: #146 Phlebas

Depends where. Religious Jews in Israel, work very hard to have their religious and social agenda imposed in Israeli society as a whole

Many of the extremists do, but not all, or, I doubt, the majority of religious Jews. And here in the US-- which is what we're talking about-- most Jews agree with separation of church and state.

154 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:09:40pm

re: #152 Gus

Boom!

goes the dynamite?

//

155 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:09:46pm

re: #130 Lidane

They win the Tone-Deaf Award for the month.

I can't believe that Limbaugh is still losing advertisers. I was more pessimistic. Could we actually be watching the fall of this Drug-Addled, Kiddy-Chasing piece of shit. (I've heard people say that the reason he was in the Dominican Republic is because they enforce...things less.)

156 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:09:49pm

Hawaiian Radio station dumps Limbaugh

157 Interesting Times  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:09:52pm
158 bratwurst  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:10:46pm

re: #127 Lidane

Wow, you mean that some folks on the right have love for Israel that is a mile wide, but regard for Jews that is an inch deep? Who could have guessed?!?!

159 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:10:49pm

re: #155 ProGunLiberal

They win the Tone-Deaf Award for the month.

I can't believe that Limbaugh is still losing advertisers. I was more pessimistic. Could we actually be watching the fall of this Drug-Addled, Kiddy-Chasing piece of shit. (I've heard people say that the reason he was in the Dominican Republic is because they enforce...things less.)

Fall, he will not. Humbled, he may yet become.

160 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:10:50pm

re: #146 Phlebas

Depends where. Religious Jews in Israel, work very hard to have their religious and social agenda imposed in Israeli society as a whole

"Religious Jews in Israel" are not a monolith.

161 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:11:08pm

re: #154 Targetpractice

goes the dynamite?

//

Limbaugh's in a flat spin!

162 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:11:23pm

re: #153 Obdicut

Many of the extremists do, but not all, or, I doubt, the majority of religious Jews. And here in the US-- which is what we're talking about-- most Jews agree with separation of church and state.

You'd have to define "religious". I think there are gradations, but there are modern religious Zionists who agree with a good part of the haredi social agenda. Certainly not all of it, but the secularization of the state is a big, big issue.

163 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:11:38pm

re: #150 Phlebas

The creationism debates.

164 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:12:20pm

re: #153 Obdicut

Many of the extremists do, but not all, or, I doubt, the majority of religious Jews. And here in the US-- which is what we're talking about-- most Jews agree with separation of church and state.

Now we need to work on the separation of "judeo" and "christian".
/half

165 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:12:41pm

re: #152 Gus

Boom!

That was a sonic boom. They're leaving faster than Mach I.

166 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:12:51pm
167 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:13:01pm

re: #160 Learned Mother of Zion

Agreed, and modified in a subsequent post

168 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:13:09pm

re: #156 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Hawaiian Radio station dumps Limbaugh

I just contacted his local affiliate and told them I was done listening after hearing their afternoon crew and wouldn't be back unless their local DJs set the record straight on Rush's comments.

I'm not holding my breath.

169 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:13:57pm

re: #158 bratwurst

Wow, you mean that some folks on the right have love for Israel that is a mile wide, but regard for Jews that is an inch deep? Who could have guessed?!?!

Israel is only important for its part in the end times.

170 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:14:16pm

re: #162 Phlebas

You'd have to define "religious".

I let people define it for themselves. But certainly there's plenty of observant Jews in Israel who are not Haredi, for example.

I think there are gradations, but there are modern religious Zionists who agree with a good part of the haredi social agenda.

What's a religious Zionist?

Certainly not all of it, but the secularization of the state is a big, big issue.

But there are also religious Jews who support separation of Church and state.

171 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:14:39pm

re: #165 b_sharp

That was a sonic boom. They're leaving faster than Mach I.

Image: fallinghare.jpg

172 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:14:48pm

re: #161 Gus

Limbaugh's in a flat spin!

I don't think he'll be able to pull it out, so he'll have to bail.

173 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:15:54pm

re: #170 Obdicut

There is a very good, and lengthy, discussion here. Not now, though - too OT and I have a touch of flu.

174 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:16:45pm

Romney has forgotten that most students don't have a BYU available.

BYU (the BYU system, actually, there are 3 schools) is heavily subsidized by the LDS church, bringing down tuition to a manageable rate for students.


BYU also has a unique set up in that the regulatory body that controls BYU has a definite interest in keeping costs down. Most schools don't have this. I saw a really interesting article a few months ago on the fact that most schools have an interest in spending, not saving, as to why the costs keep going up. I'll see if I can find it.

175 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:17:42pm

re: #159 Targetpractice

I found what those people were talking about with the Dominican Republic. From Wikipedia:

Some reports say that child sex tourism is a current problem, particularly in coastal resort areas, with child sex tourist arriving year-round from various countries. It is also reported that the current legislation has inconsistencies and gaps which could obstruct the interpretation and application of the legislation. The Code for the Protection of the Rights of Children and Adolescents, Law 136-03 conceptualizes crime of using children and adolescents in paid sexual activity. Only certain modes of production and dissemination of pornographic material are seen as criminal activities, while possession of child pornography is sanctioned.

I got a new insult for Limbaugh now.

176 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:19:34pm
177 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:19:59pm

re: #174 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Romney has forgotten that most students don't have a BYU available.

BYU (the BYU system, actually, there are 3 schools) is heavily subsidized by the LDS church, bringing down tuition to a manageable rate for students.

BYU also has a unique set up in that the regulatory body that controls BYU has a definite interest in keeping costs down. Most schools don't have this. I saw a really interesting article a few months ago on the fact that most schools have an interest in spending, not saving, as to why the costs keep going up. I'll see if I can find it.

Their grants for the next year will be reduced by the amount they don't spend this year.

178 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:20:10pm

re: #167 Phlebas

Agreed, and modified in a subsequent post

Different religious groups hold different, and frequently contradicting political opinions. That is why on the one hand people complain "Haredim refuse to serve in the IDF!" and on the other hand "There are too many Haredim in the IDF!" failing to recognize that within haredi, and national religious circles there are many differences of opinion.

179 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:21:25pm

re: #173 Phlebas

It's not really a long discussion, no. There are religious Jews in Israel that want to impose their values through the state. There also are religious Jews in Israel that want a more secular state than is currently present in Israel.

I don't have any facts or figures, but i don't think that the majority of religious Jews in Israel support the imposition of religious values through the state. If you do, I'd be interested in seeing it.

180 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:21:39pm

re: #178 Learned Mother of Zion

Different religious groups hold different, and frequently contradicting political opinions. That is why on the one hand people complain "Haredim refuse to serve in the IDF!" and on the other hand "There are too many Haredim in the IDF!" failing to recognize that within haredi, and national religious circles there are many differences of opinion.

Being a Human Rule #1: Everybody is right.

181 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:21:49pm

Damn. Rush is having a very bad day. I almost feel sorry for him.

//

182 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:22:39pm

re: #180 b_sharp

Being a Human Rule #1: Everybody is right.

Kragar Rule #1: Everyone is wrong, including Kragar.
Kragar Rule #2: Needs more fire.

183 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:22:53pm

re: #181 Gus

Damn. Rush is having a very bad day. I almost feel sorry for him.

//

Yah, me too. About as much as I feel sorry for the fly I swatted yesterday.

184 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:22:57pm

re: #179 Obdicut

It's not really a long discussion, no. There are religious Jews in Israel that want to impose their values through the state. There also are religious Jews in Israel that want a more secular state than is currently present in Israel.

I don't have any facts or figures, but i don't think that the majority of religious Jews in Israel support the imposition of religious values through the state. If you do, I'd be interested in seeing it.

Noisy fringers get much more attention than quiet moderates.

185 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:23:17pm

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

I think this is the article that I saw.

186 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:23:54pm
187 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:24:18pm

re: #184 Learned Mother of Zion

Noisy fringers get much more attention than quiet moderates.

I read that as noisy fingers.

I just spent 5 minutes trying to finger out what you meant.

188 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:25:32pm

re: #186 ProGunLiberal

There is nothing amounting to any sort of proof that Rush is a 'kiddie chaser', so please don't throw that around lightly.

189 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:25:48pm

re: #175 ProGunLiberal

I found what those people were talking about with the Dominican Republic. From Wikipedia:

I got a new insult for Limbaugh now.

when he was first nabbed coming back with all that viagra from the Dominican Republic lots of people pointed out that connection.

190 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:25:53pm

re: #186 ProGunLiberal

Steady now.

191 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:26:45pm

re: #189 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

when he was first nabbed coming back with all that viagra from the Dominican Republic lots of people pointed out that connection.

Viagra != pedophile.

192 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:27:03pm

re: #189 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

People also go to the Dominican Republic to fuck adults.

193 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:27:07pm

re: #189 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

That's what I heard. Didn't know the details until about 5 minutes ago.

re: #190 Gus

Aww, okay. :P

It's fun to bash Limbaugh though. I can't explain why.

194 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:27:38pm

re: #193 ProGunLiberal

The subject of child rape should never be 'fun'.

195 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:27:58pm

re: #182 Kragar

Kragar Rule #1: Everyone is wrong, including Kragar.
Kragar Rule #2: Needs more fire.

House Rule #1: Everybody lies.
Corollary: Even when they're not lying, they're lying.

/

196 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:30:00pm

re: #181 Gus

Damn. Rush is having a very bad day. I almost feel sorry for him.

//

;o)

Youtube Video
197 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:31:43pm

re: #196 CuriousLurker

;o)

[Embedded content]

Funny.

198 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:31:55pm

re: #194 Obdicut

It isn't. What I do like is thinking up new and improved nastiness against Limbaugh.

199 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:32:14pm

re: #192 Obdicut

People also go to the Dominican Republic to fuck adults.

They may also go there to purchase Viagra.

200 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:32:26pm

re: #179 Obdicut

It's not really a long discussion, no. There are religious Jews in Israel that want to impose their values through the state. There also are religious Jews in Israel that want a more secular state than is currently present in Israel.

I don't have any facts or figures, but i don't think that the majority of religious Jews in Israel support the imposition of religious values through the state. If you do, I'd be interested in seeing it.

Again, I prefer not to look for numbers and statistics at this point. The threads move to quickly, and besides, I haven't the time. However, I grew up a religious Zionist in a Mizrachi household, and have many friends and family who are politically firmly ensconced within the Gush Emunim political bloc. I have an ongoing connection to the religious and political thinking of this particular group. I also, interestingly, have a large portion of family who are Vishnitz chassidim. A childhood friend of mine, a Satmar, was arrested in the 80s for trying to transport money in a suitcase to the PLO. I have a fairly good overview. The religious Zionist movement is lamenting the loss of religious influence in national affairs, but generally does not make a common cause with the Edut Haredi, even if their objectives are congruent. When you speak of imposing religious values, you have to identify to which values you refer. Most self-identifying religious Jews in Israel, for instance, are unhappy with Saturday bus service in Tel Aviv. How they react to this is different by party and sect affiliation. At the same time, only certain extreme elements are part of the so-called "modesty patrols" in parts of Jerusalem.

201 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:33:31pm

re: #192 Obdicut

Or for the beaches. I don't think of the DR as a giant, open air brothel.

202 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:33:49pm

re: #200 Phlebas

If you have no statistics, then there's really not much point in reciting anecdotal evidence.

203 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:34:06pm

re: #196 CuriousLurker

;o)

[Embedded content]

Sorry, I don't speak lobster.
Or violins.

204 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:34:35pm

re: #202 Obdicut

If you have no statistics, then there's really not much point in reciting anecdotal evidence.

Likewise, I'm sure.

205 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:34:48pm

re: #127 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Why is she plagiarizing Anders Breivik?

206 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:35:03pm

re: #198 ProGunLiberal

It isn't. What I do like is thinking up new and improved nastiness against Limbaugh.

You are entirely too immersed in anger and violence.

207 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:35:51pm

re: #201 Phlebas

Or for the beaches. I don't think of the DR as a giant, open air brothel.

I don't think one needs a viagra prescription under someone elses name to use the beaches.

208 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:36:27pm

re: #202 Obdicut

If you have no statistics, then there's really not much point in reciting anecdotal evidence.

Also, this statement is not true, and creates a barrier to discussing perception. Reports from the "street" are often leading indicators of true feeling amongst the population, and are relevant well before statistics become available. That's why governments maintain intelligence operations in foreign countries, rather than waiting for the CIA fact book to be published.

209 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:37:21pm

re: #207 Kragar

I don't think one needs a viagra prescription under someone elses name to use the beaches.

If this were not a serious discussion, think of all the fun I could have with the phrase "use the beaches".

210 William of Orange  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:38:04pm

Im' not kidding you, I totally expected this move by Gabriel. Knowing what causes he stands for and supports, I simply knew he was not going to let this pass by. I wonder though how far up he has given his cease of play. As we all know the company which airs Rush is owned by Clear Channel, and in turn this is owned by Bain capital.

211 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:39:24pm

re: #208 Phlebas

Also, this statement is not true, and creates a barrier to discussing perception. Reports from the "street" are often leading indicators of true feeling amongst the population, and are relevant well before statistics become available. That's hy governments maintain intelligence operations in foreign countries, rather than waiting for the CIA fact book to be published.

Yes but the question isn't 'are there some who believe', it's 'is there a significant block who believe this way'. Significance is statistical. Threats aren't, they're potentially dangerous well before significance.

212 William of Orange  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:40:02pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Limbaugh uses "Big Time" as bumper music.

In that attack clip it was Steam though.

Youtube Video
213 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:40:21pm

Through the looking glass:
Jeffrey Lord, writing about the advertisers pulling their ads from Limbaugh's show, is worried that Rush is being "bullied" by gender and "skin colorism" addicts.

Do they understand that they are, with enormous effectiveness, voluntarily identifying themselves as peddlers not of mattresses, legal services, high tech gizmos, mortgages, computer back-ups or flowers -- but radical left wing politics designed to deliberately blacklist, insult, target and shut down the free speech of 40 percent of the American people? Their own customers? And that in some cases the people engaged in these efforts use their addiction to skin colorism or judging by gender to do these things?[Link: spectator.org...]

214 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:41:38pm

re: #213 jaunte

Through the looking glass:
Jeffrey Lord, writing about the advertisers pulling their ads from Limbaugh's show, is worried that Rush is being "bullied" by gender and "skin colorism" addicts.

Rush...being bullied?

Did I miss waking up in the mirror universe?

215 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:41:42pm

re: #213 jaunte

Through the looking glass:
Jeffrey Lord, writing about the advertisers pulling their ads from Limbaugh's show, is worried that Rush is being "bullied" by gender and "skin colorism" addicts.

Another "Rush is the real victim, liberals are bad" line of shit.

216 William of Orange  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:42:48pm

re: #7 jaunte

Maybe Phil Collins will ask him to stop using "Easy Lover," too.

He's almost deaf now. Fact.

217 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:43:13pm

re: #214 Targetpractice

Who knew that gender and 'skin colorism' were addictions?

218 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:45:04pm

re: #217 jaunte

Who knew that gender and 'skin colorism' were addictions?

Like cooties and blue balls are diseases.

219 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:45:06pm

re: #211 b_sharp

Yes but the question isn't 'are there some who believe', it's 'is there a significant block who believe this way'. Significance is statistical. Threats aren't, they're potentially dangerous well before significance.

I have reported my informed opinion of the current state of affairs. I have no need, nor do I feel an obligation, to provide statistics. I am perfectly okay with having others disagree with me.

There is only so much wiggle room within religion. Driving a bus on the sabbath is not ok. Eating pork is not ok. How you react to this, is dictated by many factors. I am aware, and have been part of, many groups who are subject to various factors and ways of thinking. Asking me for a statistic to prove that the Gush movement is not ok with complete secularization of government, but does not want to make common cause with Shas due to Mizrachi's traditional Labour roots is irrelevant. I am not going to be able to write a full political exegesis of Israeli society here, and statistics are not the answer, They are merely an excuse not to entertain an argument.

220 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:46:15pm

re: #217 jaunte

Who knew that gender and 'skin colorism' were addictions?

I have no idea what 'skin colorism' even means.

221 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:46:18pm

re: #208 Phlebas

No, sorry, anecdotal evidence is never going to be more than anecdotal evidence. The question is about what the religious population in Israel thinks.

To get that answer, you need data. Anecdotes can provide examples, but that's all.

As you can see from this report, most Jews who consider themselves secular still observe religious traditions in some ways.

[Link: avichai.org...]

This is because religious traditions exist as traditions, as well as religion. There are also secular Jews who are against the running of the buses on Saturday.

222 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:46:26pm

re: #213 jaunte

Through the looking glass:
Jeffrey Lord, writing about the advertisers pulling their ads from Limbaugh's show, is worried that Rush is being "bullied" by gender and "skin colorism" addicts.

It's cool how respect and common decency = peddling radical left wing politics.

That said, in America, not being in apoplectic rage at liberals all the time = radical left wing politics.

223 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:47:14pm

Despite Apology, Limbaugh Continues Attacks On Fluke For Fourth Day

LIMBAUGH: Her testimony was not that of an expert, it was just another expert person in this case, Sandra’s case. 30-year old activist after years of a career championing birth control issues. In fact, she told stories less about birth control as a social tool, which is of course the left’s true agenda, and more about birth control as a medication for treating other conditions, such as pregnancy. To the left, pregnancy is a disease. [...]

Sandra Fluke gave vague examples based on unnamed friends, who she says couldn’t afford birth control to treat medical conditions they had, since Georgetown University wouldn’t pay for them. … Or so she says. We still don’t know who any of these friends of hers are, these other women, and we don’t know what happened to them. Her testimony was hearsay, and it was unprovable. [...]

But the point here is that this was an issue that represents a tiny, tiny slice of what the Democrats really want here. They use Sandra Fluke to create a controversy. Sandra Fluke used them to advance her agenda, which is to force a religious institution to abandon their principles in order to meet hers.

224 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:47:26pm

re: #220 b_sharp

I think it's that first department when you walk into the ground floor of Macy's.

225 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:48:47pm

re: #224 jaunte

I think it's that first department when you walk into the ground floor of Macy's.

Oh, right, cosmetics. I should have guessed.

226 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:48:51pm

re: #223 Kragar

let's throw the bastard some more shovels...

227 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:49:51pm

re: #213 jaunte

Through the looking glass:
Jeffrey Lord, writing about the advertisers pulling their ads from Limbaugh's show, is worried that Rush is being "bullied" by gender and "skin colorism" addicts.

Skin colorism. Now that's hilarious. What a dweeb.

228 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:51:38pm

re: #223 Kragar

What does everyone expect. Limbaugh wouldn't know how to be sincere if it bit him in the ass.

229 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:51:49pm

Public Policy Polling: Limbaugh loosing credibility amongst Republicans

Our numbers suggest that Rush Limbaugh has seen significant erosion in his popularity with Republican voters over the last week. The last time we polled on him nationally he was at 80/12 with GOPers. But now we find him below 50% in all three of these states: he's at 45/28 in Ohio, 46/29 in Tennessee, and 44/30 in Georgia.

Republican women in particular have become very skeptical about Limbaugh in the states holding tomorrow's 2 most competitive contests. He's at only 39/28 with them in Ohio and 36/30 in Tennessee

Feelings about Limbaugh produce a pretty big divide in who GOP voters are planning to cast their ballots for tomorrow. Among Ohio Republicans who like Limbaugh Rick Santorum leads Mitt Romney 39-35. With ones who dislike him Romney has the 39-30 advantage.

230 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:52:17pm

re: #221 Obdicut

No, sorry, anecdotal evidence is never going to be more than anecdotal evidence. The question is about what the religious population in Israel thinks.

To get that answer, you need data. Anecdotes can provide examples, but that's all.

As you can see from this report, most Jews who consider themselves secular still observe religious traditions in some ways.

[Link: avichai.org...]

This is because religious traditions exist as traditions, as well as religion. There are also secular Jews who are against the running of the buses on Saturday.

How is considering yourself secular the same as being religious? I am not talking about what secular Jews think. We were not discussing the common thinking of secular and orthodox Jews. If I tell you that a vast majority of religious Jews have not had a ham sandwich, do you need a statistic? If I tell you that, based on religious and political programmatic precepts in various circles, thinking is thus and thus, then that is how I am portraying to you the situation. You can argue it, you can poke holes in it, but that does not make it any less true.

I am not vested in convincing you. I offered you my thoughts, based on knowledge and experience. Agree, disagree, counterclaim. You aren't really engaging in a discussion when you cry out "prove it with a statistic" every time somebody makes a statement. This is a forum for discussion, not scientific methodology at all costs.

231 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:52:41pm

OT, but I'm one step closer to graduation, since one of my grades just came in. :D

Now if I can get through the rest of the semester financially and find a job, I'll be thrilled.

232 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:53:12pm

re: #227 Gus

Skin colorism. Now that's hilarious. What a dweeb.

Reading that drivel, I wonder if he has a comprehension problem or is just a big fan of confirming his bias.

233 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:53:22pm

re: #223 Kragar

Despite Apology, Limbaugh Continues Attacks On Fluke For Fourth Day

He seems to think that mouthing an "apology" based on it being the other side's fault means he can go back to beating up on her without criticism.

234 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:53:36pm

re: #231 Lidane

Great. Congrats!

235 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:54:35pm

re: #213 jaunte

Through the looking glass:
Jeffrey Lord, writing about the advertisers pulling their ads from Limbaugh's show, is worried that Rush is being "bullied" by gender and "skin colorism" addicts.

WTF is "skin colorism"? Sounds painful.

236 William of Orange  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:55:10pm

Ouch!! This has got to hurt!!

The eight sponsor that left the show is a big one!

Ladies and gentlemen: AOL has left the building!


Kind of sad really. That it took a long time to realize that the values of AOL doing get along with the crap coming from Limbaugh's mouth...

237 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:55:25pm

re: #235 Lidane

I think it's his painful rephrasing of 'reverse racism.'

238 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:55:52pm

re: #235 Lidane

WTF is "skin colorism"? Sounds painful.

Nah, just a bit of lipstick, mascara, rouge and eye liner.

(Did I just show my age?)

239 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:56:17pm

re: #230 Phlebas

How is considering yourself secular the same as being religious?

It's not.

I am not talking about what secular Jews think.

Given that many secular Jews are against running the buses on Saturday, why are you sure the objection of religious Jews to running the buses on Saturday are based in religion and not tradition?

We were not discussing the common thinking of secular and orthodox Jews. If I tell you that a vast majority of religious Jews have not had a ham sandwich, do you need a statistic?

Nope. I'll point out that's true for most secular Jews in Israel too, though.

If I tell you that, based on religious and political programmatic precepts in various circles, thinking is thus and thus, then that is how I am portraying to you the situation. You can argue it, you can poke holes in it, but that does not make it any less true.

I'm pointing out to you that Jews also adhere to things out of tradition, as well as religious observance, as can easily be seen by the large number of Jews who think of themselves as non-religious, as secular, who follow many religious traditions, such as sitting seder, eating kosher, etc.

I am not vested in convincing you.

Why are you posting?

I offered you my thoughts, based on knowledge and experience. Agree, disagree, counterclaim. You aren't really engaging in a discussion when you cry out "prove it with a statistic" every time somebody makes a statement. This is a forum for discussion, not scientific methodology at all costs.

Thanks, I provided statistics already. Feel free to have a look if you'd like, or you can just keep offering your opinions without looking at 'em.

240 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:57:23pm

re: #236 William of Orange

Ouch!! This has got to hurt!!

The eight sponsor that left the show is a big one!

Ladies and gentlemen: AOL has left the building!

Sears and Bonobos, too. Up to 11 now, and the first affiliate station has dropped the show.

I hope he keeps ranting. He's digging his own grave and doesn't even seem to realize it.

241 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:58:17pm

re: #240 makeitstop

Sears and Bonobs, too. Up to 11 now, and the first affiliate station has dropped the show.

I hope he keeps ranting. He's digging his own grave and doesn't even seem to realize it.

All the while screaming he's being oppressed.

242 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 1:59:06pm

Everybody loves to boycott!
Sean Hannity Challenges Guest and Viewers To Find Evidence of Right-Wing Boycotts. I Accept.

One Million Moms first threatened a boycott of JC Penney's to force them to remove Ellen DeGeneres as their new spokeswoman. Their more recent effort is against Toys 'R Us for selling a newly-published Archie comic featuring a gay wedding. Their purpose, as stated on their website: "OMM is strictly an online campaign focusing primarily on the entertainment media (television, music, movies, etc.). The goal of this campaign is to stop the exploitation of children by such media." One Million Moms is a project of the Family Research Council, featured often on Fox News. Current boycott projects include Lifetime Television, ABC and Disney, and Clorox bleach.
In 2009, Rush Limbaugh called on his listeners to boycott GM, saying "nobody wants to support an Obama company." Rasmussen Reports immediately followed up with a poll to see how many would support such a boycott.
Last month the Catholic Family & Human Rights Institute called for a boycott of Girl Scout cookies because they support Planned Parenthood.
Newsbusters, the conservative activist wing of the Media Research Center, criticized networks for playing up a boycott of Lowe's Corporation. The reason for the boycott? Lowe's had advertising placements on TLC's "All-American Muslim", and that outraged right-wing critics. Lowe's bowed to the pressure from enraged right-wingers and pulled the ads. Newsbusters chided networks for "playing up Lowe's outrage."
American Family Association calls for a boycott of Old Navy for supporting the "It Gets Better" project.
USA Christian Ministries calls for Starbucks boycott over tolerance for gay rights and anti-gun stance.
Liberty Counsel calls for a boycott of PayPal after four accounts of anti-gay activists were suspended.
Mike Huckabee, on Fox News, called for a boycott of NPR after Juan Williams was fired.

243 William of Orange  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:00:14pm

Companies that left Rush (as of today)

Quicken Loans
Sleep Train
Sleep Number
Citrix Systems Inc.
Legal Zoom
Por Flowers
AOL
Carbonite

How much money does that ad up in a week? I expect the top brass of the radio station now pretty worried!

244 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:02:01pm

Sometimes I forget, and put on Keith Jarrett's Solo Concert in Bremen/Lausanne, thinking it will be good background music for doing some work.

Then, 20 minutes go by and I realize I've been totally lost in this unbelievably beautiful recording once again. A work of staggering genius.

245 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:02:13pm

re: #243 William of Orange

Companies that left Rush (as of today)

Quicken Loans
Sleep Train
Sleep Number
Citrix Systems Inc.
Legal Zoom
Por Flowers
AOL
Carbonite

How much money does that ad up in a week? I expect the top brass of the radio station now pretty worried!

You're missing Sears and Bonobos.

246 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:02:25pm

re: #230 Phlebas

How is considering yourself secular the same as being religious? I am not talking about what secular Jews think. We were not discussing the common thinking of secular and orthodox Jews. If I tell you that a vast majority of religious Jews have not had a ham sandwich, do you need a statistic?

Well, that's not what we were talking about. I believe you made a generalized statement about "religious Jews" wanting to impose their values upon Israel as a whole. Then you backpedaled a little bit after you had to admit that "religious Jews" come in all varieties and opinions. From there you digressed into little reminiscences.

The fact is that in Israel there are many, many little single-issue parties, some religious, some secular, that have an agenda that they wish to impose upon the general population, and because of the Israeli political system some of these parties can gain influence that is far in excess of their actual size in the population.

247 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:02:38pm

re: #243 William of Orange

Companies that left Rush (as of today)

Quicken Loans
Sleep Train
Sleep Number
Citrix Systems Inc.
Legal Zoom
Por Flowers
AOL
Carbonite

How much money does that ad up in a week? I expect the top brass of the radio station now pretty worried!

It would be ironic if this was the end of him. He's said much worse stuff before. He might go to satellite radio.

248 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:03:14pm

re: #221 Obdicut

Heh. The high number of Jews who believe good deeds are rewarded and bad deeds are punished indicates not enough people read the Book of Job.

249 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:03:44pm

re: #223 Kragar

Despite Apology, Limbaugh Continues Attacks On Fluke For Fourth Day

"Sandra Fluke gave vague examples based on unnamed friends, who she says couldn’t afford birth control to treat medical conditions they had, since Georgetown University wouldn’t pay for them. … Or so she says. We still don’t know who any of these friends of hers are, these other women, and we don’t know what happened to them."

And gosh, what do you think Rush would be doing if he knew who those friends of her were?

Part of the motive for his assault on Fluke is pure intimidation -- to make other women so scared to speak out for their rights before congress or elsewhere that they stay silent and out of the national debate [I]about contraception[/I].

Darrell Issa and Rush Limbaugh have the same goal: excluding young women from speaking about something that affects them, and leaving it up to old religious white men instead.

250 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:04:56pm

re: #230 Phlebas

We were not discussing the common thinking of secular and orthodox Jews. If I tell you that a vast majority of religious Jews have not had a ham sandwich, do you need a statistic?

Yes, actually. Just like I prefer census and similar societal statistical data to tell me how well religious edicts against pre-marital sex and other sins work in the real world. Raw assertion is never much to go on, no matter how well it lines up with one's own biases and sense of how things ought to be. Also the options aren't just secular and orthodox, reform and conservative Jews are still religious, no? I ask because the opinion landscape changes dramatically depending under which flag their opinions are gathered.

251 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:05:13pm

re: #235 Lidane

WTF is "skin colorism"? Sounds painful.

It's the conservative trick of saying anyone who points out that white conservatives are being racist is, themselves, RACIST.

252 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:05:52pm

re: #248 Obdicut

Heh. The high number of Jews who believe good deeds are rewarded and bad deeds are published indicates not enough people read the Book of Job.

And that more people are reading that juicy gossip book by what's her name that was on "The View"

253 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:06:02pm

re: #250 goddamnedfrank

Actually, virtually all the religious Jews I've known have snuck a bit of pork at some point or another, too, if not a ham sandwich.

If you are going to violate kosher, why would you go for ham? The beige of pork products.

254 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:06:22pm

re: #249 Shvaughn

And gosh, what do you think Rush would be doing if he knew who those friends of her were?

Part of the motive for his assault on Fluke is pure intimidation -- to make other women so scared to speak out for their rights before congress or elsewhere that they stay silent and out of the national debate [I]about contraception[/I].

Darrell Issa and Rush Limbaugh have the same goal: excluding young women from speaking about something that affects them, and leaving it up to old religious white men instead.

The most disgusting thing I've heard since her testimony from the Right, especially from women, has been along the lines of "She wanted this attention, she's got it!"

Seriously, that's not much of a step up from "If she didn't want to get raped, she shouldn't have dressed like a hooker!"

255 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:06:28pm

re: #252 Learned Mother of Zion

Whoah, totally Freudian typo there.

256 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:06:34pm

re: #253 Obdicut

Actually, virtually all the religious Jews I've known have snuck a bit of pork at some point or another, too, if not a ham sandwich.

If you are going to violate kosher, why would you go for ham? The beige of pork products.

Guess what: it ain't all that.

257 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:06:48pm

re: #242 Killgore Trout

Everybody loves to boycott!
Sean Hannity Challenges Guest and Viewers To Find Evidence of Right-Wing Boycotts. I Accept.

How many of those would you classify as "outrageous outrages," to use your recent terminology? Just curious.

258 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:06:54pm

re: #243 William of Orange

Plus the most recent addition of Sears and Bonobos, that's only ten.

Who's eleven?

re: #248 Obdicut

Thinking about it, I do need to lessen my propensity for anger. I admit that, in my case, there is an addictive quality to it.

259 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:07:10pm

re: #248 Obdicut

Heh. The high number of Jews who believe good deeds are rewarded and bad deeds are published indicates not enough people read the Book of Job.

Thou shalt clean thy neighbor's toilet.
/I'll be here all night.... Sitting in the corner.
:P

260 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:08:12pm

re: #253 Obdicut

Aside from when I am at home, dealing with my Dad and not wanting him to explode, I haven't had a piggy product in over a year.

261 erik_t  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:08:19pm

re: #253 Obdicut

Actually, virtually all the religious Jews I've known have snuck a bit of pork at some point or another, too, if not a ham sandwich.

If you are going to violate kosher, why would you go for ham? The beige of pork products.

What's the most multiplicitively banned food? Best I could come up with was a bacon cheeseburger with leavened bun during $HOLYDAY, but I have no personal jewish connection.

(meant in good fun, not trying to offend anyone)

262 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:09:07pm

re: #261 erik_t

What's the most multiplicitively banned food? Best I could come up with was a bacon cheeseburger with leavened bun during $HOLYDAY, but I have no personal jewish connection.

Yeah but, if somebody else wants to enjoy that, what do I care?

263 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:09:13pm

Who the hell is Mike Malloy and why am I supposed to care about him?

264 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:09:45pm

re: #257 Shvaughn

How many of those would you classify as "outrageous outrages," to use your recent terminology? Just curious.

Pretty much all of them. I'm not a fan of people enforcing their values on others. That's a pretty short list too. Bill Donahue and the Catholic league are a constant source of boycott calls.

265 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:09:51pm

And when did I boycott anybody's advertisers?

266 shutdown  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:10:01pm

re: #239 Obdicut

It's not.

Given that many secular Jews are against running the buses on Saturday, why are you sure the objection of religious Jews to running the buses on Saturday are based in religion and not tradition?

Nope. I'll point out that's true for most secular Jews in Israel too, though.

If I tell you that, based on religious and political programmatic precepts in various circles, thinking is thus and thus, then that is how I am portraying to you the situation. You can argue it, you can poke holes in it, but that does not make it any less true.

Why are you posting?

Thanks, I provided statistics already. Feel free to have a look if you'd like, or you can just keep offering your opinions without looking at 'em.

Your endless combativeness is a serious hindrance to proper discussion. I post because I appreciate a forum to voice an opinion. If you disagree with that opinion, feel free to express that disagreement. Beyond that, you are neither the thought police, nor the sole arbiter of when people are speaking truth nor of what threshold of "proof" they have to overcome to be permitted to express an opinion.

And your answer to this post is entirely predictable - that I am not addressing your points, etc. But stop and think for a moment: why am I under any kind of obligation to engage you? Are you the paragon of some kind of lgf peer review? I voiced an opinion about religious Jewish thought in Israel. I applied a finer distinction upon Alouette's protests. My opinion is not invalidated by your insistence on statistical proof, nor is your opinion validated by delivering selective surveys which deliver information outside the boundaries of what I was stating. The fact that secular Jews cling to some t

267 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:11:49pm

re: #256 Learned Mother of Zion

Classic Jewish Joke:

There's a Catholic priest and a rabbi sitting in a train together. They start talking, and get along well. After awhile, the priest, somewhat abashed, says, "Rabbi, forgive my curiosity, but I've got to ask. You're human, you have an appetite, you probably had some rebellious phase at some point-- haven't you ever had a bit of ham or bacon?"

The rabbi laughs and says, "No, no, I quite understand, and yes, I've had bacon before."

The priest again apologizes for the curoisity, and they talk baseball for awhile. Finally the rabbi says,

"And you, well, to be frank, I know you're not supposed to lie with a woman, but, well, as you said, you're human, did you...?"

The priest nods, and blushes, and says, "Well, yes, I mean, god forgives, and back in the seminary, and my first couple of years as a priest, I struggled with temptation and gave in a couple of times, but eventually mastered myself."

The Rabbi nods sagely, and then slaps the priest on the back as they pull into the station, seeing his wife waiting for him "Hell of a lot better than a ham sandwich, don't you think?"

268 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:12:07pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

Who the hell is Mike Malloy and why am I supposed to care about him?

More stupidity from Big Fail.

[Link: www.mikemalloy.com...]

269 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:12:21pm

re: #258 ProGunLiberal

Yep. Anger can be healthy, but over-the-top anger when you know you're just revving yourself up, that ain't good.

270 William of Orange  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:12:32pm

re: #265 Charles Johnson

And when did I boycott anybody's advertisers?

Amazon? Or was that the other way around?

271 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:12:45pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

Who the hell is Mike Malloy and why am I supposed to care about him?

A liberal talk show host broadcast on satellite radio:

[Link: www.mikemalloy.com...]

Clearly you're supposed to care because he's got a radio show. Or something.

272 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:13:18pm

re: #253 Obdicut

Actually, virtually all the religious Jews I've known have snuck a bit of pork at some point or another, too, if not a ham sandwich.

If you are going to violate kosher, why would you go for ham? The beige of pork products.

That's my experience too. Making something so ubiquitous a dietary taboo almost guarantees that it will get eaten at some point in an average adherent's life. The rebellious teenage phase spans every culture, religion and language group on the planet.

273 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:13:39pm

re: #267 Obdicut

That's an oldie. Gotta think of a way to work a Muslim in there. Maybe get the Muslim to admit that he's enjoyed a beer or something. Then the Muslim and the Jew say together "Hey that sure beats a beer and a ham sandwich!"

274 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:13:57pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

Who the hell is Mike Malloy and why am I supposed to care about him?

Some self-syndicated fruitloop out West, the guy the wingnuts have latched onto as their "counter" to criticism of Limbaugh.

The Blaze: LIBERAL RADIO HOST MOCKS STORM VICTIMS: ‘THEIR GOD…KEEPS SMASHING THEM INTO LITTLE GREASE SPOTS’

Apparently he's supposed to be the guy all us liberals are supporting because we're not leading a campaign for his head, ala Limbaugh.

275 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:14:01pm

re: #265 Charles Johnson

And when did I boycott anybody's advertisers?

I don't think you did but it's a very popular idea around here. I see I filled up the bottom comments list arguing against the concept in general.

276 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:14:35pm

re: #245 b_sharp

You're missing Sears and Bonobos.

And GoToMeeting, whoever that is.

277 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:14:41pm

re: #275 Killgore Trout

I don't think you did but it's a very popular idea around here. I see I filled up the bottom comments list arguing against the concept in general.

Damn dude. You're really going for it today aren't you.

278 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:14:47pm

I didn't even see that original tweet from @RBPundit, because that moron is already in my Tweetdeck global filter. I saw the immediate retweets from the Wingnut Parrot Squad.

279 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:15:03pm

re: #269 Obdicut

I wonder if anger produces an Adrenaline Rush. The feeling I can get when extremely angry is some similar to rush I get from Thrill Rides.

If anger does produce an Adrenaline Rush, then I know what my problem is. Unfortunately, I would still be quite far from a solution.

280 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:15:48pm

re: #277 Gus

Damn dude. You're really going for it today aren't you.

Don't make me boycott you.
/

281 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:15:53pm

re: #266 Phlebas

Your endless combativeness is a serious hindrance to proper discussion.

Dude, I didn't invent the idea that anecdotal evidence shouldn't be used to prove claims.

Beyond that, you are neither the thought police, nor the sole arbiter of when people are speaking truth nor of what threshold of "proof" they have to overcome to be permitted to express an opinion.

Good thing I'm not trying to stop you or arbiting what you can, huh?

Why not just take a look at the survey I posted, and see how it affects the conversation? Don't you think that the large number of secular Jews who support Jewish traditions being upheld matters, in this context?

282 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:16:03pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

Balance Fairy flailing around drunkenly.

283 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:16:39pm

re: #274 Targetpractice

Some self-syndicated fruitloop out West, the guy the wingnuts have latched onto as their "counter" to criticism of Limbaugh.

The Blaze: LIBERAL RADIO HOST MOCKS STORM VICTIMS: ‘THEIR GOD…KEEPS SMASHING THEM INTO LITTLE GREASE SPOTS’

Apparently he's supposed to be the guy all us liberals are supporting because we're not leading a campaign for his head, ala Limbaugh.

Actually, I think Malloy works out of Georgia.

284 jc717  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:17:00pm

re: #130 Lidane

This should go over well:

Disney Places First Black Princess on Watermelon Candy Packet

This reminds me of the Tosh.O 'Is it racist?' video from last week.

285 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:17:05pm

There is nothing wrong with the concept of boycotts. If anything, they're an appropriate measure for getting your opinion heard.

286 William of Orange  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:17:10pm

re: #258 ProGunLiberal

Plus the most recent addition of Sears and Bonobos, that's only ten.

Who's eleven.

A company called Tax Resolution. Never heard of them but every dollar counts!

So the full roster now:
Quicken Loans
Sleep Train
Sleep Number
Citrix Systems Inc.
Legal Zoom
Por Flowers
AOL
Carbonite
Sears
Bonobos
Tax Resolution

287 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:17:19pm

re: #283 makeitstop

Actually, I think Malloy works out of Georgia.

I think you're right, my bad.

288 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:17:49pm

re: #274 Targetpractice

Some self-syndicated fruitloop out West, the guy the wingnuts have latched onto as their "counter" to criticism of Limbaugh.

The Blaze: LIBERAL RADIO HOST MOCKS STORM VICTIMS: ‘THEIR GOD…KEEPS SMASHING THEM INTO LITTLE GREASE SPOTS’

Apparently he's supposed to be the guy all us liberals are supporting because we're not leading a campaign for his head, ala Limbaugh.

Honestly I don't see why anyone should be outraged. Pat Robertson already told us that these tornadoes were gods wrath....

289 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:18:28pm

re: #264 Killgore Trout

Pretty much all of them. I'm not a fan of people enforcing their values on others. That's a pretty short list too. Bill Donahue and the Catholic league are a constant source of boycott calls.

Do you think the Alabama bus boycott was also a bad idea?

290 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:18:42pm

re: #284 jc717

I don't think was outright racist. I think a lot of people were asleep at the wheel.

291 M. Dubious  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:19:08pm

re: #275 Killgore Trout

I don't think you did but it's a very popular idea around here. I see I filled up the bottom comments list arguing against the concept in general.

"Bottom comments" should be renamed "Killgore's latest".

292 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:19:15pm

re: #279 ProGunLiberal

I wonder if anger produces an Adrenaline Rush. The feeling I can get when extremely angry is some similar to rush I get from Thrill Rides.

If anger does produce an Adrenaline Rush, then I know what my problem is. Unfortunately, I would still be quite far from a solution.

Emotion in general is addictive. Negative emotions are generally stronger, and thus produce a greater reaction. This essentially explains the entire Conservative cult. And, possibly, you.

293 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:20:44pm

re: #288 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Honestly I don't see why anyone should be outraged. Pat Robertson already told us that these tornadoes were gods wrath...

They're outraged because he's a liberal "mocking" their religion. If they believe God killed those folks, that's one thing. But having a liberal "mocking" it, well, that's grounds for a rage-gasm.

As noted above, the MBF being invoked in an effort to cover for Limbaugh's ass, as comparing him to Ed Shultz kept getting met with "But at least Ed had the decency to punish himself!"

294 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:20:56pm

re: #285 Lidane

There is nothing wrong with the concept of boycotts. If anything, they're an appropriate measure for getting your opinion heard.

I agree but I think they're overused. For serious issues boycotts can be effective tools for social change but it's become a casual sport. Everybody does it. It's not really a matter of conscience but just targeting the other side hoping to claim a scalp.

295 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:21:00pm

re: #292 Renaissance_Man

To be fair, when I happy or sad, in real life, you can also tell. In my case, it's like a regulator is busted. So, when I feel something, it's turned up to 11.

296 General Nimrod Bodfish  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:21:25pm

re: #285 Lidane

There is nothing wrong with the concept of boycotts. If anything, they're an appropriate measure for getting your opinion heard.

And as history has shown, it can help bring about social changes for the better of everyone.

297 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:22:07pm

re: #294 Killgore Trout

I agree but I think they're overused. For serious issues boycotts can be effective tools for social change but it's become a casual sport. Everybody does it. It's not really a matter of conscience but just targeting the other side hoping to claim a scalp.

So boycotts are only called for with "serious issues"? What's the alternative you endorse?

298 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:22:23pm

re: #289 Obdicut

Do you think the Alabama bus boycott was also a bad idea?

No. That's a pretty stupid question.

299 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:22:27pm

My Mike Malloy invalidates your Rush Limbaugh!

//

300 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:23:52pm

re: #265 Charles Johnson

And when did I boycott anybody's advertisers?

When did Limbaugh boycott any advertisers? :=)

(Their money is good and what better way to stand for principles than let opponents waste it?)

301 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:24:05pm

By the way, I haven't really seen ANY kind of boycott in this Rush Limbaugh incident. There may have been individuals letting companies know they wouldn't patronize them any more if they advertised on Limbaugh's show, but if there's an organized boycott of some kind I haven't seen it.

And the statements coming from these advertisers are pretty clear that they're not doing this in response to a boycott, but because Rush Limbaugh is a pig.

302 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:24:17pm

re: #294 Killgore Trout

I agree but I think they're overused. For serious issues boycotts can be effective tools for social change but it's become a casual sport. Everybody does it. It's not really a matter of conscience but just targeting the other side hoping to claim a scalp.

So, contraception access to women, and not demonizing women for daring to testify-- not a serious issue?

303 William of Orange  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:24:35pm

Don Imus on Rush:

‘He’s A Fat, Gutless, Pill-Popping Loser’

Coming from mister nappy head.

(Yeah, I'm Dutch bet even I know it Don.)

304 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:24:41pm

re: #294 Killgore Trout

So calling a law student who testified about access to birth control a slut and a whore and demanding sex tapes from her for three goddamn days isn't serious? The slut shaming and misogyny we've seen from the right this past week isn't serious?

Good to know. =P

305 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:25:17pm

re: #301 Charles Johnson

People are complaining to advertisers, and spreading the word about who advertises so that people will get into contact with them. You could call that a word-of-mouth boycott.

306 allegro  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:25:31pm

re: #257 Shvaughn

How many of those would you classify as "outrageous outrages," to use your recent terminology? Just curious.

They're all classified under "hate." That's all I need to know.

307 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:25:52pm

re: #297 Targetpractice

So boycotts are only called for with "serious issues"? What's the alternative you endorse?

Let people say what they want. Don't try to shut down radio shows you don't listen to. Don't like a show? Change the channel. Offended by someones ideas? Get used to it. Take offense, be offended but don't expect the universe to keep you from being offended. We should all be used to being offended, that's what happens in a free society.

308 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:26:59pm

re: #233 Targetpractice

He seems to think that mouthing an "apology" based on it being the other side's fault means he can go back to beating up on her without criticism.

Was his "apology" actually said on air, or was it simply something put up on a web-site? World of difference given his mode of operation.

309 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:27:12pm

re: #264 Killgore Trout

Pretty much all of them. I'm not a fan of people enforcing their values on others. That's a pretty short list too. Bill Donahue and the Catholic league are a constant source of boycott calls.

Do you think this Limbaugh imbroglio is the same kind of "outrageous outrage"?

310 Aye Pod  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:27:22pm

re: #181 Gus

Damn. Rush is having a very bad day. I almost feel sorry for him.

//

Maybe The Smiths will let him use this:

Youtube Video
311 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:27:36pm

re: #307 Killgore Trout

Let people say what they want. Don't try to shut down radio shows you don't listen to. Don't like a show? Change the channel. Offended by someones ideas? Get used to it. Take offense, be offended but don't expect the universe to keep you from being offended. We should all be used to being offended, that's what happens in a free society.

But you're obviously offended by the idea of boycotting Limbaugh no?

312 Mocking Jay  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:27:43pm

re: #307 Killgore Trout

Let people say what they want. Don't try to shut down radio shows you don't listen to. Don't like a show? Change the channel. Offended by someones ideas? Get used to it. Take offense, be offended but don't expect the universe to keep you from being offended. We should all be used to being offended, that's what happens in a free society.

So I guess Charles should let all the stalkers back in then.

313 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:27:46pm

re: #307 Killgore Trout

Let people say what they want. Don't try to shut down radio shows you don't listen to. Don't like a show? Change the channel. Offended by someones ideas? Get used to it. Take offense, be offended but don't expect the universe to keep you from being offended. We should all be used to being offended, that's what happens in a free society.

Oh good fucking lord, that's your answer? "Change the channel"?

314 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:28:01pm

re: #297 Targetpractice

So boycotts are only called for with "serious issues"? What's the alternative you endorse?

Everyone does it. I boycott companies that give poor service or screw me around in some way. Don't you?

I also don't send money to groups I don't support, and so on. And to the extent I can pass my opinion to others, I organize in a small way. What's the deal?

315 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:28:06pm

re: #301 Charles Johnson

By the way, I haven't really seen ANY kind of boycott in this Rush Limbaugh incident. There may have been individuals letting companies know they wouldn't patronize them any more if they advertised on Limbaugh's show, but if there's an organized boycott of some kind I haven't seen it.

And the statements coming from these advertisers are pretty clear that they're not doing this in response to a boycott, but because Rush Limbaugh is a pig.

Lists of advertisers and contact info have been circulating on sites like DKos and Reddit. I seriously doubt this is a spontaneous reaction from advertisers.

316 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:28:24pm
317 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:28:41pm

re: #298 Killgore Trout

No. That's a pretty stupid question.

Why? I think the constant right-wing attacks on women are a serious civil rights issue. You don't?

318 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:28:54pm

re: #315 Killgore Trout

Although I wouldn't touch Reddit with a 39.5 foot pole.

319 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:29:32pm

re: #313 Targetpractice

Oh good fucking lord, that's your answer? "Change the channel"?

Yup, pretty outrageous, eh?

320 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:29:39pm

re: #307 Killgore Trout

Let people say what they want. Don't try to shut down radio shows you don't listen to. Don't like a show? Change the channel. Offended by someones ideas? Get used to it. Take offense, be offended but don't expect the universe to keep you from being offended. We should all be used to being offended, that's what happens in a free society.

Jesus this is some stupid, passive shit. You're saying that the freedom of speech should only flow in one direction, that if you don't like the attacks being made on women you should just not listen and shut the fuck up about it - don't make waves. That's not how shit works, people have an equal right to combat the speech they find offensive with their own right to speak and organize.

321 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:29:42pm

re: #316 jaunte

He's still in a flat spin!

Oh the humanity!

//

322 Aye Pod  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:29:42pm

At this point, any advertisers who are left will be seen as saying "If YOU are called a slut by Mr Limbaugh, we're OK with that. We have no principles whatsoever. Now, about our great product..."

323 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:29:46pm

re: #316 jaunte

That's Allstate's Stand...

///I'll show myself out, and prepare for what punishment, corporal or not, that people here want for that.

324 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:29:53pm

re: #308 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Was his "apology" actually said on air, or was it simply something put up on a web-site? World of difference given his mode of operation.

He gave a new lip-dicked "apology" today, trying to claim ignorance of the "full facts," saying it was wrong because it's "what the Left does," and then capping it off with an "I'm sorry"...before coming back from the break to lay into her yet again.

Had all the sincerity of an abusive husband going "I'll never do it again!"

325 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:30:03pm

re: #315 Killgore Trout

I seriously doubt this is a spontaneous reaction from advertisers.

No shit. What was your first clue? All the statements from the advertisers saying that they'd heard feedback from their customers?

326 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:30:37pm

Spontaneity is over-rated.

327 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:30:58pm

re: #291 M. Dubious

"Bottom comments" should be renamed "Killgore's latest".

Where's the link for "bottom comments" anyway?

328 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:32:00pm

re: #319 Killgore Trout

Yup, pretty outrageous, eh?

Well. Then people could have just changed the channel when they were listening to Dan Rather reporting on Bush's NG record.

329 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:32:40pm

Next time people see something funny in a Reuter's photo spread they should just go to another news site.

330 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:33:20pm

re: #320 goddamnedfrank

No no, the people objecting are the ones who should shut up, not Limbaugh.

Because, that's why.

331 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:34:00pm

re: #305 Obdicut

People are complaining to advertisers, and spreading the word about who advertises so that people will get into contact with them. You could call that a word-of-mouth boycott.

I wouldn't know who any of Limbaugh's advertisers/sponsors are since I don't listen to him. My awareness of who they are is simply from those being mentioned on these threads.

THE GREAT AND POWERFUL RUSH demands your ad dollars! OR FEAR his blaming of you as limp LIBERALS and color worshiping HEATHENS!
//

332 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:34:26pm

re: #328 Gus

Well. Then people could have just changed the channel when they were listening to Dan Rather reporting on Bush's NG record.

Better yet, people could have just changed the channel when the Occupy Wall Street protests were going on instead of getting outraged about them.

333 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:34:34pm

re: #319 Killgore Trout

Yup, pretty outrageous, eh?

When did "freedom of speech" start coming with "freedom from criticism" as part of a package deal?

334 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:34:44pm

re: #328 Gus

Well. Then people could have just changed the channel when they were listening to Dan Rather reporting on Bush's NG record.

I don't recall pressure from and advertiser boycott leading to Dan Rather's firing. He was fired by his employers for sloppy reporting in order to save their reputation and credibility as a news organization.

335 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:35:12pm

re: #327 Shvaughn

Left Side, under the Now Playing CD thingy. Which is under the mini search bars. Is in the Green Arrowpoint group, in the first group, second from the bottom.

336 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:36:21pm

re: #333 Targetpractice

When did "freedom of speech" start coming with "freedom from criticism" as part of a package deal?

I'm not against criticism. I'm just not a fan of applying economic pressure to get people fired for opinions I don't like.

337 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:36:27pm

re: #335 ProGunLiberal

Left Side, under the Now Playing CD thingy. Which is under the mini search bars. Is in the Green Arrowpoint group, in the first group, second from the bottom.

Thanks!

338 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:36:43pm

Fischer: Limbaugh a Victim of "Secular Sharia"

As Fischer sees it, Limbaugh probably should not have called Georgetown student Sandra Fluke a "slut," but only because the word is vulgar. Fischer explained that Fluke does in fact meet the textbook definition of "slut," so much so that she has no shame about telling the US Congress and the entire nation "about how much promiscuous sex she and her classmates are having."

Furthermore, the fact that Limbaugh has been forced to apologize for accurately calling Fluke a slut is proof that "secular fundamentalists" are just like "Islamic fundamentalists" because "leftists are pursuing their own caliphate in America with secular fundamentalism enshrined as their version of sharia law" for the purpose of destroying Christian morality:

339 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:37:19pm

re: #336 Killgore Trout

I'm not against criticism. I'm just not a fan of applying economic pressure to get people fired for opinions I don't like.

What else would you suggest as methods for people to get their opinions across? The only way a corporation is going to listen is if you hit them where it hurts -- their wallet.

340 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:37:34pm

re: #336 Killgore Trout

I'm not against criticism. I'm just not a fan of applying economic pressure to get people fired for opinions I don't like.

Except that changing the channel (and thus not seeing advertisements) is also a way of applying economic pressure, too.

341 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:38:17pm

re: #336 Killgore Trout

I'm not against criticism. I'm just not a fan of applying economic pressure to get people fired for opinions I don't like.

Of course not, you endorse pepper-spraying them.

342 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:38:20pm

re: #338 Kragar

Fischer: Limbaugh a Victim of "Secular Sharia"

Fischer is a horrible and dishonest human being.

343 M. Dubious  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:39:31pm

re: #336 Killgore Trout

I'm not against criticism. I'm just not a fan of applying economic pressure to get people fired for opinions I don't like.

Well, is this not one of the side-effects of capitalism - voting with your wallet?

344 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:39:43pm

re: #334 Killgore Trout

I don't recall pressure from and advertiser boycott leading to Dan Rather's firing. He was fired by his employers for sloppy reporting in order to save their reputation and credibility as a news organization.

Well. Then if you don't like watching the boycott stuff why don't you "change the channel" on the boycott news?

345 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:39:47pm

re: #336 Killgore Trout

I'm not against criticism. I'm just not a fan of applying economic pressure to get people fired for opinions I don't like.

Except for serious issues, of course. Which this isn't, to you.

What, exactly, is wrong with someone calling up an advertiser and saying "Hey, I hear you advertise with a hateful jackass. That makes me think you're okay with that kind of bullshit, and that makes me not want to buy your products."

346 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:39:51pm

If this keeps up, FatBoy isn't going to have a single national account on his show by the end of the week. Gotta love it.

347 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:40:06pm

re: #340 Shvaughn

Except that changing the channel (and thus not seeing advertisements) is also a way of applying economic pressure, too.

Admitting that would mean admitting his entire argument is full of shit. Don't bother.

348 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:40:21pm

re: #342 Shvaughn

Fischer is a horrible and dishonest human being.

Connecting Rush Limbaugh with Christian Morality is probably not where you want to go since it is ludicrous.

"They've gone straight to plaid!"

349 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:40:38pm

Ann Romney: ‘I Don’t Even Consider Myself Wealthy’

Apparently making stupid, out of touch comments is a family tradition.

350 Mocking Jay  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:41:32pm

re: #349 Kragar

Ann Romney: ‘I Don’t Even Consider Myself Wealthy’

Apparently making stupid, out of touch comments is a family tradition.

wow

351 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:41:36pm

re: #349 Kragar

Ann Romney: ‘I Don’t Even Consider Myself Wealthy’

Apparently making stupid, out of touch comments is a family tradition.

Corporations are people too. And the Romneys are definitely poorer than Exxon/Mobil.
/

352 erik_t  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:41:47pm

re: #349 Kragar

Ann Romney: ‘I Don’t Even Consider Myself Wealthy’

Apparently making stupid, out of touch comments is a family tradition.

I cannot think of a more tone-deaf way to even express that sentiment.

353 Aye Pod  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:41:50pm

re: #339 Lidane

What else would you suggest as methods for people to get their opinions across? The only way a corporation is going to listen is if you hit them where it hurts -- their wallet.

It's unfair and dangerous for ordinary people to get organised. States - yeah, corporations, sure - but citizens? ANARHY!

354 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:42:09pm

Chris Leonard, President and General Manager of New West Broadcasting Corp.:

"We have always encouraged spirited discussion about national and local issues on KPUA and from time to time those discussions may be deemed by some to be objectionable. We are strong believers in the first amendment and have recognized Mr. Limbaugh's right to express opinions that often times differ from our own, but it has never been our goal to allow our station to be used for personal attacks and intolerance. The most recent incident has crossed a line of decency and a standard that we expect of programming on KPUA whether it is locally produced or a syndicated program like the Rush Limbaugh show.

While much of the national debate regarding this issue is now being framed in political terms, the decision for us is one of decency and responsibility. Regardless of one's political views on the issue being discussed, we feel the delivery was degrading and the continued comments over several days to be egregious. As a result, we are discontinuing the Rush Limbaugh program on KPUA effective immediately."

355 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:42:17pm

re: #327 Shvaughn

BTW, since you are here, I suggest you look into the usage of sarcasm here. Often, but not always, using the / tag.

You downdinged me a way back for a sarc tagged comment that I don't think you understood as such.

356 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:42:21pm

re: #349 Kragar

Ann Romney: ‘I Don’t Even Consider Myself Wealthy’

LOL wow. Talk about tone deaf and out of touch.

357 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:42:46pm

re: #352 erik_t

I cannot think of a more tone-deaf way to even express that sentiment.

"Who doesn't wipe their ass with twenties? They're practically worthless."

358 William of Orange  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:43:23pm

re: #338 Kragar

Fischer: Limbaugh a Victim of "Secular Sharia"

That is rich...

359 Mocking Jay  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:43:24pm

re: #357 Kragar

"Who doesn't wipe their ass with twenties? They're practically worthless."

I wonder which Cadillac she's driving today...

360 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:43:43pm

re: #349 Kragar

Ann Romney: ‘I Don’t Even Consider Myself Wealthy’

Apparently making stupid, out of touch comments is a family tradition.

It's like watching the Kerry campaign all over again.

361 William of Orange  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:45:06pm

Hawaii station drops Limbaugh!

Tuning out!

362 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:45:29pm

re: #359 Meh.

I wonder which Cadillac she's driving today...

Both of them.

363 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:45:40pm

re: #360 Targetpractice

It's like watching the Kerry campaign all over again.

Except that Kerry had moments of self-awareness. WTF Romney?

364 M. Dubious  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:46:42pm

re: #345 Obdicut

Except for serious issues, of course. Which this isn't, to you.

What, exactly, is wrong with someone calling up an advertiser and saying "Hey, I hear you advertise with a hateful jackass. That makes me think you're okay with that kind of bullshit, and that makes me not want to buy your products."

I'll tell you what's wrong with calling up an advertiser like that: He might be a solid Christian fella and then you'd practically shock him out of his socks by starting out with words like 'jackass' and 'bullshit' and your point would be completely lost.

WWJD? Save the best bits for last.

365 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:47:06pm

re: #361 William of Orange

probably the same station that played the call to prayer when obama was born

366 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:47:07pm

re: #363 Lidane

Except that Kerry had moments of self-awareness. WTF Romney?

Perhaps Dr. Soong forgot to install the emotion chip?

/

367 Aye Pod  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:47:44pm

Go get organised!

Youtube Video
368 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:47:46pm

I'm just LOLing.

369 Jimmi the Grey  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:48:02pm

re: #336 Killgore Trout

I'm not against criticism. I'm just not a fan of applying economic pressure to get people fired for opinions I don't like.

In our society it has been determined that money is speach so applying economic pressure is criticism.

370 William of Orange  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:48:06pm

re: #349 Kragar

Ann Romney: ‘I Don’t Even Consider Myself Wealthy’

Apparently making stupid, out of touch comments is a family tradition.

And Obama is elite??!!

371 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:48:15pm

This spin just arrived in my email, from Fox News:
Image: Screen_shot_2012-03-05_at_4.46.44_PM.png

373 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:49:02pm

You know the GOP field is out of whack when Paul comes across as the reasonable one.

After Gingrich’s appearance, GOP candidate Ron Paul was asked about his views on Obama’s apology. Paul attacked his fellow candidates for going “over the top”:

PAUL: I think the Republicans who are condemning it are a little bit over the top, too, because you know, in ’08, some of our soldiers in Iraq took the Quran and used it for target practice. You know, just to humiliate the Muslims in that country. Ronald Reagan [sic. Actually, George Bush] apologized. And what is so terrible about that if it might calm things down.

374 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:49:09pm

re: #368 Charles Johnson

I'm just LOLing.

Was Malloy a dumbass for saying it? Sure. Does that put him on the same level as Rush? Sure, as soon as they can show me a Democrat who spoke out against Malloy and then apologized the next day.

375 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:49:32pm

re: #368 Charles Johnson

FOX talking point: "Is there a double standard?"

376 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:49:54pm

The difference between "changing the channel" and boycotting something -- boycotts involve telling the station/show/sponsor/etc. that you're going to change the channel, and why you're going to do it.

The first is an entirely passive act that doesn't do or accomplish anything at all. We change the channel all the time when we're looking for something to watch on TV or listen to on the radio. Telling the station/show/sponsor/etc. that you're going to change the channel and why is an active act. You're telling them what you object to and that you're taking your business elsewhere.

It's the beauty of capitalism. We can tell business why we're refusing to give them money. If enough people do it, things can change.

377 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:50:00pm

re: #368 Charles Johnson

The magic ponytail lives!

Malloy is a jackass who's said some dumb things. He doesn't have any pull in the Democratic party. Limbaugh gets consulted on the debt plan.

378 William of Orange  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:50:07pm

re: #368 Charles Johnson

I'm just LOLing.

LOL!!

The fish refuses to take the bait!!

(You're the fish, Charles...)

379 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:50:14pm

re: #374 Targetpractice

Was Malloy a dumbass for saying it? Sure. Does that put him on the same level as Rush? Sure, as soon as they can show me a Democrat who spoke out against Malloy and then apologized the next day.

I don't even know who Malloy is or what he said.

380 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:50:22pm

re: #368 Charles Johnson

I'm just LOLing.

Is that satire?

381 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:50:30pm

re: #371 jaunte

This spin just arrived in my email, from Fox News:
Image: Screen_shot_2012-03-05_at_4.46.44_PM.png

The Magical Balance Fairy's workin' her little ass off today.

382 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:52:25pm

re: #380 Kragar

Is that satire?

No, just weapons-grade stupid.

383 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:52:34pm

re: #340 Shvaughn

Except that changing the channel (and thus not seeing advertisements) is also a way of applying economic pressure, too.

It is. If enough people changed the channel the show would be cancelled. What I oppose is taking the extra step to pressure advertisers to stop advertising on a show I don't listen to.
It's a really odd culture we've created. Everybody envisioned Big Brother as a spooky government agency watching everything we do. In reality we've become Big Brother ourselves. Targeting the other side's pundits, screen capping every drunken tweet, breathlessly following every celebrity scandal. Everybody does it. Even the Kremlin couldn't have imagined such an effective surveillance apparatus. Possibly the strangest twist is the judges of acceptable speech are mattress companies and snack vendors.
It's all kind of surreal if you think about it.

384 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:52:34pm

re: #379 Shvaughn

I don't even know who Malloy is or what he said.

Most folks don't, the guy's in 13 markets plus on one XM/Sirius satellite channel, but apparently he's every bit the "voice of the Left" as Limbaugh is for the Right. And our "refusal" to condemn his words is supposed to make us as bad as the Right who have spent six days now defending Rush.

385 zora  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:53:12pm

Female Veterans Call For Military Radio Channel To Drop Rush Limbaugh After 'Slut' Remark

A group of female military veterans issued a statement on Monday calling for Limbaugh's show to be pulled from the airwaves of the American Forces Network. AFN is a government-run media service that provides television and radio programming to American service members overseas.

"When many of our female troops use birth control, for Limbaugh to say they are 'sluts' and 'prostitutes' is beyond the pale," the women wrote. "It isn't just disrespectful to our women serving our country, but it's language that goes against everything that makes our military work."

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

386 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:53:27pm

re: #383 Killgore Trout

It's a really odd culture we've created. Everybody envisioned Big Brother as a spooky government agency watching everything we do. In reality we've become Big Brother ourselves.

This is such a load of horseshit I don't even know where to begin.

387 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:53:35pm

re: #369 Jimmi the Grey

In our society it has been determined that money is speach so applying economic pressure is criticism.

I say balls to that. Speech is speech and money is money.

388 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:53:53pm

re: #383 Killgore Trout

It is. If enough people changed the channel the show would be cancelled. What I oppose is taking the extra step to pressure advertisers to stop advertising on a show I don't listen to.
It's a really odd culture we've created. Everybody envisioned Big Brother as a spooky government agency watching everything we do. In reality we've become Big Brother ourselves. Targeting the other side's pundits, screen capping every drunken tweet, breathlessly following every celebrity scandal. Everybody does it. Even the Kremlin couldn't have imagined such an effective surveillance apparatus. Possibly the strangest twist is the judges of acceptable speech are mattress companies and snack vendors.
It's all kind of surreal if you think about it.

And you bravely fight against it by sitting on this site and bitching about how you don't approve of any of it?

389 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:54:30pm

re: #388 Targetpractice

And you bravely fight against it by sitting on this site and bitching about how you don't approve of any of it?

Yeah.

390 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:54:45pm

re: #388 Targetpractice

And you bravely fight against it by sitting on this site and bitching about how you don't approve of any of it?

He's a real martyr for the cause.

391 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:55:06pm

re: #389 Killgore Trout

Yeah.

*deadpan* How heroic of you.

392 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:55:20pm

re: #383 Killgore Trout

It is. If enough people changed the channel the show would be cancelled. What I oppose is taking the extra step to pressure advertisers to stop advertising on a show I don't listen to.

You have yet to give a coherent reason why, though.

Can you?

It's a really odd culture we've created. Everybody envisioned Big Brother as a spooky government agency watching everything we do. In reality we've become Big Brother ourselves. Targeting the other side's pundits, screen capping every drunken tweet, breathlessly following every celebrity scandal. Everybody does it. Even the Kremlin couldn't have imagined such an effective surveillance apparatus. Possibly the strangest twist is the judges of acceptable speech are mattress companies and snack vendors.
It's all kind of surreal if you think about it.

What a load of bullshit.

First of all, this was something said by a highly public figure in a highly public channel. It wasn't a drunken tweet, it wasn't a celebrity scandal. It was said by a man who is consulted by the head of the GOP House on the debt plan.

Second of all, the judges of acceptable speech are the people who are calling the mattress companies and snack vendors, not the places themselves.

393 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:55:50pm

re: #368 Charles Johnson

I'm just LOLing.

Another graduate of the the Breitbart School of Reason™. We should be in awe of this brilliance! Senior Fellow at The Right Sphere! Contributor at Big Journalism Fail! Behold the brilliance of mind and the sharpness of character!

Derp.

394 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:56:05pm

re: #381 Targetpractice

To respond to their question:

No, we don't accept CYA apologies anymore. We seem to have finally decided to take a stand. And lo and behold, we seem to be winning against Jabba the Rush.

395 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:56:22pm

re: #372 Meh.

hahahahahahaha

Russia Election 2012: Ballot Box Stuffing Purportedly Caught On Tape (VIDEO)

I posted it on election day. The Central Election Commission actually annulled the results at that polling station. Head of the CEC Churov later said that the members of the local commission made a grave mistake and began feeding "home-voting" ballots from sealed boxes before the station was closed (contrary to the rules).

396 M. Dubious  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:56:26pm

re: #393 Gus

Another graduate of the the Breitbart School of Reason™. We should be in awe of this brilliance! Senior Fellow at The Right Sphere! Contributor at Big Journalism Fail! Behold the brilliance of mind and the sharpness of character!

Derp.

Big Reason.

397 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:56:31pm

re: #392 Obdicut

You have yet to give a coherent reason why, though.

Can you?

Because I think it degrades the culture of free speech.

398 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:56:54pm

re: #392 Obdicut

First of all, this was something said by a highly public figure in a highly public channel.

Also, not just a momentary lapse of taste, but a deliberate multi-day political and crudely personal attack.

399 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:57:00pm

re: #397 Killgore Trout

Because I think it degrades the culture of free speech.

People speaking degrades the culture of free speech in what way?

400 allegro  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:57:06pm

re: #388 Targetpractice

And you bravely fight against it by sitting on this site and bitching about how you don't approve of any of it?

While actively bouncing about the 'net looking for anything OWS or "leftie" to say "OO-OO-OO Lookie what they did!" etc.

Surreal indeed.

401 Aye Pod  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:57:20pm

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Evangelical politics is not, of course, limited to the US. Many social conservatives in the UK align themselves with the Christian right, and MPs such as Nadine Dorries take inspiration from US campaigns against abortion or gay rights. But perhaps the most striking aspect of the study is that it turns on its head the claims by many religious politicians, such as Republican nomination candidates Rick Santorum ("I'm for income inequality"), Rick Perry ("Homosexuality is a sin"), or the UK's Nadine Dorries ("My faith tells me who I am"), that their politics is inspired by their God. This study suggests instead that their God is inspired by their politics.

402 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:57:29pm

re: #397 Killgore Trout

Because I think it degrades the culture of free speech.

Taking issue enough with abuse of freedom of speech to boycott a lard-ass like Rush is itself a degradation of that freedom?

403 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:57:42pm

re: #399 Obdicut

People speaking degrades the culture of free speech in what way?

Because, that's why!

404 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:58:02pm

Romney: ‘In my administration, coal will not be a four-letter word’

Khoal?

405 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:58:09pm
406 M. Dubious  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:58:15pm

re: #397 Killgore Trout

Because I think it degrades the culture of free speech.

I'm semi-sympathetic to your point, if it is along the lines of "fight opinions with ideas and not money" or something.

407 zora  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:58:33pm

re: #397 Killgore Trout

Because I think it degrades the culture of free speech.

you have the same understanding of free speech as sarah palin.

408 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:59:28pm

re: #407 zora

you have the same understanding of free speech as sarah palin.

I'm wondering if Caribou Barbie has a better understanding of it, quite frankly.

409 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 2:59:38pm

re: #399 Obdicut

People speaking degrades the culture of free speech in what way?

of course not. Denouncing Rush is fine. Criticizing is fine. Exposing is fine. I oppose pressuring advertisers or trying to get people fired for expressing opinions that offend me.

410 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:00:28pm

re: #371 jaunte

This spin just arrived in my email, from Fox News:
Image: Screen_shot_2012-03-05_at_4.46.44_PM.png

"Limbaugh's apology not accepted by liberals: is there a double standard?"

Um, Kirsten...

First, it wasn't really an apology, just an excuse to repeat the lies told about Ms. Fluke's testimony.

Second, if we pretend it was an apology, it was extended to Ms. Fluke. There is nothing there for liberals or anyone else to accept or reject.

Third, even if we continue to pretend it was an apology, it is Ms. Fluke's prerogative to either accept it or reject it, and no one else's. Only Ms. Fluke can speak for Ms. Fluke.

Fourth, Kirsten, I'm certain you're smart enough to know all of this without having to be told, which makes your statement intentionally dishonest.

411 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:00:56pm

re: #409 Killgore Trout

I oppose pressuring advertisers

Why? You do know you haven't actually given a reason, right?

What, exactly, is wrong with someone calling up an advertiser and saying "Hey, I hear you advertise with a hateful jackass. That makes me think you're okay with that kind of bullshit, and that makes me not want to buy your products."

412 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:01:08pm

re: #409 Killgore Trout

of course not. Denouncing Rush is fine. Criticizing is fine. Exposing is fine. I oppose pressuring advertisers or trying to get people fired for expressing opinions that offend me.

In reality we've become Big Brother ourselves. Targeting the other side's pundits, screen capping every drunken tweet, breathlessly following every celebrity scandal. Everybody does it.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to call bullshit on this one.

413 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:01:10pm

re: #401 Jimmah

I've known that conclusion for a while.

414 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:01:32pm

re: #292 Renaissance_Man

Emotion in general is addictive. Negative emotions are generally stronger, and thus produce a greater reaction. This essentially explains the entire Conservative cult. And, possibly, you.

Fight or flight response.

415 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:01:48pm

re: #394 ProGunLiberal

To respond to their question:

No, we don't accept CYA apologies anymore. We seem to have finally decided to take a stand. And lo and behold, we seem to be winning against Jabba the Rush.

THE GREAT AND POWERFUL RUSH laughes at your puny efforts. We play along simply for amusement and to smoke out weakling syncophants who do not truly believe.
/

416 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:01:54pm

re: #406 M. Dubious

I'm semi-sympathetic to your point, if it is along the lines of "fight opinions with ideas and not money" or something.

That's pretty much it. I was very critical of Glenn Beck when he was still on the air. I criticized the content of his show and made fun of his conspiracy theories. I never endorsed boycotting his advertisers.

417 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:02:03pm

re: #409 Killgore Trout

So it'd be fine for someone to decide not to buy any more of Advertiser X's products, but it's somehow wrong for them to call them up and tell them why?

Is that, basically, what you're saying?

418 A Mom Anon  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:02:14pm

re: #397 Killgore Trout

Free Speech doesn't entitle you to a 400 million dollar contract for a radio show. Free Speech doesn't mean there are no consequences for what you say,nor does it mean you are immune from challenges to your views. Free Speech means that the government cannot shut you down,imprison or otherwise mess with your life over what you say.

What degrades the culture of free speech is the demonizing and dehumanizing of those you disagree with. Calling Sandra Fluke a slut and a prostitute and blatantly lying about her,repeatedly, degrades the culture of free speech. With freedom comes responsibility,Rush has rarely been held accountable for anything he's done,EVER. It's past time for that to happen.

419 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:02:39pm

re: #381 Targetpractice

The Magical Balance Fairy's workin' her little ass off today.

Poor thing's about to drop.

420 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:03:12pm

re: #418 A Mom Anon

Free Speech doesn't entitle you to a 400 million dollar contract for a radio show. Free Speech doesn't mean there are no consequences for what you say,nor does it mean you are immune from challenges to your views. Free Speech means that the government cannot shut you down,imprison or otherwise mess with your life over what you say.

What degrades the culture of free speech is the demonizing and dehumanizing of those you disagree with. Calling Sandra Fluke a slut and a prostitute and blatantly lying about her,repeatedly degrades the culture of free speech. With freedom comes responsibility,Rush has rarely been held accountable for anything he's done,EVER. It's past time for that to happen.

Fuckin' A!

421 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:03:21pm

re: #372 Meh.

hahahahahahaha

Russia Election 2012: Ballot Box Stuffing Purportedly Caught On Tape (VIDEO)

That's, uh, real covert there.

422 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:03:23pm

re: #349 Kragar

Ann Romney: ‘I Don’t Even Consider Myself Wealthy’

Apparently making stupid, out of touch comments is a family tradition.

No, but if you were busted down to my salary next week you would think you were fucking poor.

423 M. Dubious  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:03:27pm

re: #411 Obdicut

Why? You do know you haven't actually given a reason, right?

What, exactly, is wrong with someone calling up an advertiser and saying "Hey, I hear you advertise with a hateful jackass. That makes me think you're okay with that kind of bullshit, and that makes me not want to buy your products."

Were you not satisfied with the answer yours truly provided, Sir?

424 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:05:22pm

re: #404 Kragar

Romney: ‘In my administration, coal will not be a four-letter word’

Khoal?

ROFL.

425 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:05:24pm

re: #418 A Mom Anon

One addition:

What degrades the culture of free speech is the demonizing and dehumanizing of those you disagree with. Calling Sandra Fluke a slut and a prostitute and blatantly lying about her, (to a broadcast audience of 30 million, many of whom evidence shows believe the lie completely) repeatedly degrades the culture of free speech.

426 blueraven  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:05:24pm

re: #383 Killgore Trout

It is. If enough people changed the channel the show would be cancelled. What I oppose is taking the extra step to pressure advertisers to stop advertising on a show I don't listen to.
It's a really odd culture we've created. Everybody envisioned Big Brother as a spooky government agency watching everything we do. In reality we've become Big Brother ourselves. Targeting the other side's pundits, screen capping every drunken tweet, breathlessly following every celebrity scandal. Everybody does it. Even the Kremlin couldn't have imagined such an effective surveillance apparatus. Possibly the strangest twist is the judges of acceptable speech are mattress companies and snack vendors.
It's all kind of surreal if you think about it.

You know if Rush had called her a slut once, that would be a different story and an apology might have sufficed. But he went on for THREE fucking days. Calling her a prostitute and saying she should make a sex tape. He knew damn well this was going to be repeated all over the TV and radio, blogs and newspapers.

So please dont pretend there is no damage here and no price needs to be paid. This is not about ideology or the suppression of ideas. This is an out of bounds, filthy attack on a private citizen.

The right always preaches free market...that is what is going on with these advertisers. These are not moral judgments, they look at their bottom line and decide Rush is not worth it.

427 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:05:50pm

re: #423 M. Dubious

Were you not satisfied with the answer yours truly provided, Sir?

Nope.

I don't see how calling up an advertiser and telling them you're not buying their products because they advertise with someone whose ideas you loath isn't fighting ideas with ideas.

428 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:06:22pm

re: #411 Obdicut

Why? You do know you haven't actually given a reason, right?

What, exactly, is wrong with someone calling up an advertiser and saying "Hey, I hear you advertise with a hateful jackass. That makes me think you're okay with that kind of bullshit, and that makes me not want to buy your products."

Because that's were it crosses the line for me. If I don't like a show, I don't watch it. If enough people agree the show gets cancelled but if enough people still tune in then the show stays on the air. Applying the extra pressure of advertiser boycotts crosses the line into trying to cancel a show I don't watch. At that point it no longer is about me and what I watch but I would be trying to prevent others from having access to a show that they do watch. I'm not interested in preventing others from news or entertainment that they want.

429 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:06:55pm

re: #397 Killgore Trout

Because I think it degrades the culture of free speech.

People are affirming of their own free will that what is said has consequences. In urging people to stifle their feelings and suppress their exercise of legitimate, legal direct organized action to what they find offensive you are in fact the one attempting to degrade the culture. You would apparently prefer to live in a world of milquetoast un-empowered automatons that never react beyond putting on blinders. That's pretty sick and elitist actually, the idea that only the speech of the wealthy media mouthpieces holds any true value, that the culture of free speech depends on the average person constantly sucking it up, suppressing their voice and refusing to express themselves.

430 Stephen T.  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:08:41pm

re: #46 Lidane

I'm all for creators being paid for their work, but eternal copyright is stupid. Eventually, everything has to revert to the public domain.

Also, it's hilarious that Disney would want eternal copyright given that so much of their material depends on stories and fables in the public domain.

My fear is that Disney isn't done with copyright laws yet. I'm afraid that they will campaign to be able to take things from the public domain and then claim them under their own copyright. The first step on that slippery slop can be found here.

431 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:08:51pm
Youtube Video

Apropos to KT.
:P

432 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:09:31pm

re: #431 Varek Raith

[Embedded content]Apropos to KT.
:P

I'm such a sucker for white suits.

433 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:09:46pm

re: #428 Killgore Trout

You've got a hopelessly outdated view of how things work these days.

The fastest, easiest way for people to express their opinions these days is by going to the websites, Twitter feeds, and Facebook pages of brands and products that they like, and of shows they watch. It's going to happen. It's inevitable. And if enough people say they're going to stop using a product or brand or stop watching a show, things change.

Might I suggest some light reading?

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

434 M. Dubious  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:10:15pm

re: #427 Obdicut

Nope.

I don't see how calling up an advertiser and telling them you're not buying their products because they advertise with someone whose ideas you loath isn't fighting ideas with ideas.

Oh, not that one. See #364.

435 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:10:37pm

re: #428 Killgore Trout

You keep just answering 'because'.

At that point it no longer is about me and what I watch but I would be trying to prevent others from having access to a show that they do watch

What a weird way to put it. But then again, you don't think propaganda is harmful, so I guess it fits.

I'm not interested in preventing others from news or entertainment that they want.

Again: So, you really, really think that if Promise Margarine advertises with Rush, I should stop buying it if that offends me, but not call up Promise and tell them that I did that, because telling them has some coercive power?

436 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:11:22pm

re: #434 M. Dubious

Oh, not that one. See #364.

You're joking, right? It's not about word choice.

437 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:12:15pm

I stopped buying games that had StarForce DRM on it.
I told each developer and publisher of said games why I wasn't going to buy it, even though I wanted too.
COERCION!

438 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:12:50pm

re: #435 Obdicut

You keep just answering 'because'.

What a weird way to put it. But then again, you don't think propaganda is harmful, so I guess it fits.

Again: So, you really, really think that if Promise Margarine advertises with Rush, I should stop buying it if that offends me, but not call up Promise and tell them that I did that, because telling them has some coercive power?

Apparently, you're only option is to stop listening to a radio show you're not listening to in the first place, only getting snippets off of through places like Media Matters, because that is the only way to shut Rush up. My guess is that even telling other fans that they shouldn't be listening to this drivel is somehow harmful to Rush's freedom of speech.

439 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:12:55pm

re: #409 Killgore Trout

of course not. Denouncing Rush is fine. Criticizing is fine. Exposing is fine. I oppose pressuring advertisers or trying to get people fired for expressing opinions that offend me.

I don't normally have the time to do so, but I did once at least, when I saw an ad from a major technology company on a show about talking with the dead.

I asked them if they though many of their customers were moonbats or if not what did they think they were.

I don't know if it made any difference, but I felt I had done my little bit.

440 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:14:07pm

re: #439 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

I don't normally have the time to do so, but I did once at least, when I saw an ad from a major technology company on a show about talking with the dead.

I asked them if they though many of their customers were moonbats or if not what did they think they were.

I don't know if it made any difference, but I felt I had done my little bit.

Great Uncle Bob, who fought in the Civil War, endorses clean coal.

441 M. Dubious  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:14:46pm

re: #436 Obdicut

You're joking, right? It's not about word choice.

Sweet almighty. Of course I'm joking. Do you need sarc tags?

442 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:15:25pm

re: #441 M. Dubious

Sweet almighty. Of course I'm joking. Do you need sarc tags?

Until we get to know you better, it helps.
;)

443 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:15:40pm

re: #441 M. Dubious

Sweet almighty. Of course I'm joking. Do you need sarc tags?

Poe's Law, yes.

444 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:16:25pm

re: #439 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

I don't normally have the time to do so, but I did once at least, when I saw an ad from a major technology company on a show about talking with the dead.

I asked them if they though many of their customers were moonbats or if not what did they think they were.

I don't know if it made any difference, but I felt I had done my little bit.

I thought about it too a while back when XM started running ads for Alex Jones. I'm not totally opposed to the idea but I think it's way overused for partisan politics. I feel it's more about claiming scalps rather than genuine acts of conscience.

445 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:16:40pm

More Than 10,000 GM Owners Demand Company Pull Its Support From Heartland Institute

COERCION

446 M. Dubious  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:16:59pm

re: #442 Varek Raith

re: #443 Obdicut

Ok.

/

447 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:18:36pm

re: #388 Targetpractice

And you bravely fight against it by sitting on this site and bitching about how you don't approve of any of it?

Why don't you just change the channel or go to a different web site?

448 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:18:56pm

re: #383 Killgore Trout

This smacks of some weird ass libertarianism.

449 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:21:15pm

re: #447 Shvaughn

Why don't you just change the channel or go to a different web site?

Is that what you would do if I had a radio show and was telling my listeners that Shvaughn was a dog fucker and cat eater. And maybe I could get 10 million deluded people to believe me. You would just change the channel because, as KT says, no one should get fired for passing around lies and propaganda about someone.

450 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:22:02pm

re: #416 Killgore Trout

That's pretty much it. I was very critical of Glenn Beck when he was still on the air. I criticized the content of his show and made fun of his conspiracy theories. I never endorsed boycotting his advertisers.

So you didn't really help much.

451 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:24:34pm

re: #444 Killgore Trout

I thought about it too a while back when XM started running ads for Alex Jones. I'm not totally opposed to the idea but I think it's way overused for partisan politics. I feel it's more about claiming scalps rather than genuine acts of conscience.

Why, because you believe it better that noxious, disgusting radio remain on the air if it has an audience? That civility and honesty are negotiable?

452 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:25:09pm

re: #435 Obdicut

Again: So, you really, really think that if Promise Margarine advertises with Rush, I should stop buying it if that offends me, but not call up Promise and tell them that I did that, because telling them has some coercive power?

I think you're morally obligated to keep buying Promise Margarine because otherwise they might not fund Rush's show, and you'd be contributing to taking off the air something that other people want to listen to, just because you don't agree with Rush.

//

453 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:26:07pm

The funny part is that if people actually did as Killgore wants-- if they just changed the channel, if they just stopped buying products, but didn't give feedback to the advertisers, if that was our culture, the the advertisers would do a hell of a lot more research, a lot more calls to people's homes to figure out why they were making those choices, and ask them.

I guess you could always refuse to tell them or lie out of principle, but I'm still kinda cloudy on what that principle would be, exactly.

454 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:26:29pm

re: #444 Killgore Trout

I thought about it too a while back when XM started running ads for Alex Jones. I'm not totally opposed to the idea but I think it's way overused for partisan politics. I feel it's more about claiming scalps rather than genuine acts of conscience.

What's wrong with "claiming scalps" anyway? Just curious.

455 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:34:31pm

re: #454 Shvaughn

What's wrong with "claiming scalps" anyway? Just curious.

Because it's an endless cycle. Now the wingnuts are going after this Mike Malloy douche to get him fired from whatever shitty gig he has in retribution. The Catholic league tries to get people fired for offending Catholics, CAIR works against people who offend Islam. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson get people fired for offending blacks. Everybody wants scalps. Liberals, Conservatives and every special interest group under the sun is working to get everybody else fired.
I would like to see a more tolerant society, that includes tolerating people who offend others.

456 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:37:11pm

re: #455 Killgore Trout

Because it's an endless cycle. ... Everybody wants scalps. Liberals, Conservatives and every special interest group under the sun is working to get everybody else fired.
I would like to see a more tolerant society, that includes tolerating people who offend others.

So the correct response when Rush Limbaugh goes after Sandra Fluke is to change the channel, even though he quite clearly went for her scalp, right?

There's nothing wrong with wanting scalps. If politics bugs you that much, why are you on a political blog anyway?

PS: Are you tolerant of OWS?

457 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:37:31pm

re: #455 Killgore Trout

Because it's an endless cycle. Now the wingnuts are going after this Mike Malloy douche to get him fired from whatever shitty gig he has in retribution.

Good! The only thing he does is serve as a foil for Newsbusters. The sooner he shuts up - the better.

I would like to see a more tolerant society, that includes tolerating people who offend others.

Ultra-popular rabble-rousing demagogues make such a society impossible, since they preach intolerance. So something must give.

458 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:37:37pm

re: #455 Killgore Trout

I would like to see a more tolerant society, that includes tolerating people who offend others.

In other words, you want a society that has never existed and which will never exist because it runs counter to human nature.

People are going to have opinions. They are going to be offended. They are going to make their opinions known to those who have power and influence, especially in these days of social media and of instant access to a company, a brand, a show, or a product.

459 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:38:44pm

re: #455 Killgore Trout

Because it's an endless cycle. Now the wingnuts are going after this Mike Malloy douche to get him fired from whatever shitty gig he has in retribution. The Catholic league tries to get people fired for offending Catholics, CAIR works against people who offend Islam. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson get people fired for offending blacks. Everybody wants scalps. Liberals, Conservatives and every special interest group under the sun is working to get everybody else fired.
I would like to see a more tolerant society, that includes tolerating people who offend others.

Mike Malloy's self-syndicated, I doubt they could threaten him with much before he folded. And even if they claimed his scalp, who'd care?

And nobody should have to tolerate hate and derision, certainly not when it based upon lies and innuendo. Rush is attempting to destroy Sandra Fluke's character, as well as slander the entirety of women who support contraception being a required part of their insurance policies. Who is it you expect to stand up to him?

460 Stephen T.  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:42:28pm
Do they understand that they are, with enormous effectiveness, voluntarily identifying themselves as peddlers not of mattresses, legal services, high tech gizmos, mortgages, computer back-ups or flowers -- but radical left wing politics designed to deliberately blacklist, insult, target and shut down the free speech of 40 percent of the American people? Their own customers? And that in some cases the people engaged in these efforts use their addiction to skin colorism or judging by gender to do these things?[Link: spectator.org...]

Does Jeffery Lord understand that if 40 percent of the American people agree with the content of a show they advertise on and 60 percent don't agree with that content that a company is best served to change their advertising to the larger demographic?

461 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:43:19pm

re: #460 Stephen T.

Invisible Hand Tyranny!

462 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 6:19:55pm

re: #146 Phlebas

Depends where. Religious Jews in Israel, work very hard to have their religious and social agenda imposed in Israeli society as a whole

Most religious Jews in Israel don't.

463 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 6:22:02pm

re: #170 Obdicut

What's a religious Zionist?

Dati Leumi, the religious nationalists. It's a distinct group from the haredim in theory, although not entirely in practice.

464 steve_davis  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:13:17am

re: #6 Phlebas

Saw PG twice in concert; once in Great Woods in the late 80s, then in Munich in 2003 or thereabouts. Voice pretty much gone, but a great show. IMO, Genesis died when he left.

I have that Green Genesis compilation on Itunes that has everything through Lambs of Broadway. It has something like 80 tracks to it, and I could literally listen to it every damned day if it came down to it.


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