Pamela Geller: Obama’s Gay Transgender Prostitute Nanny Led to Sandra Fluke’s Rampant Promiscuity

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Tonight, right wing heroine Pamela Geller continues spewing twisted sexual hatred at Sandra Fluke, in yet another BOMBSHELL post about a ridiculously lurid article in British tabloid The Daily Mail: BOMBSHELL: PRESIDENT OBAMA’S GAY TRANSGENDER PROSTITUTE NANNY!!!!! - Atlas Shrugs.

I don’t even know what to say about this one. It’s so far into the Tinfoil Zone, you’ll only hurt your brain if you try to make sense of her weird attempt at “connecting the dots.”

Is it any wonder that Obama is calling Sandra Fluke to congratulate her on her rampant promiscuity?

This, too, shaped the worldview of the post-American president.

And as usual, Pamela Geller’s commenters take the prize for the Most Disgusting Troglodytes on the Internet:

I can just picture Evie busting a nut in little ObaMao’s high chair tray and watching him dip a cookie in it.

Keith Mahone (aka Charles Martel)

Posted by: Keith Mahone (aka Charles Martel) | Monday, March 05, 2012 at 02:42 PM

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1 rwmofo  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:54:44pm

"Is it any wonder that Obama is calling Sandra Fluke to congratulate her on her rampant promiscuity?" Heh.

Kinda wonder what Ms Fluke's mom had to say about that...

2 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:56:30pm

Patience now wearing very very thin.

3 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:56:58pm

her rampant promiscuity*

*citation needed

4 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:57:56pm

re: #1 rwmofo

"Is it any wonder that Obama is calling Sandra Fluke to congratulate her on her rampant promiscuity?" Heh.

Kinda wonder what Ms Fluke's mom had to say about that...

Probably "Fuck you too, Pamela Geller, you jealous, psychotic bitch."

That's what I'd say.

5 freetoken  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:58:03pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Sort of like the Arctic sea ice - eventually there will be none left.

6 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:58:07pm

woman needs professional help

7 Coracle  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:58:07pm

It feels like people like Geller have created a fantasy world, and simply decided to live within it instead of the real one.

8 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:58:10pm

re: #3 Kragar

her rampant promiscuity*

*citation needed

This is not a factual statement. Seems to be a new habit with Republicans, wingnuts, etc. Lie.

9 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:59:17pm

re: #1 rwmofo

"Is it any wonder that Obama is calling Sandra Fluke to congratulate her on her rampant promiscuity?" Heh.

Kinda wonder what Ms Fluke's mom had to say about that...

Probably something along the lines of "QUIT LYING ABOUT THE CONTENT OF MY DAUGHTER'S TESTIMONY AND CHARACTER, YOU DRUNKEN LOONY BITCH!!!"

10 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:59:34pm

Wait, I have never seen those baby pictures of the President. Those are awesome!

11 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:00:10pm

re: #8 Gus

This is not a factual statement. Seems to be a new habit with Republicans, wingnuts, etc. Lie.

That was kind of my point. They have nothing to back it up.

12 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:00:42pm

re: #7 Coracle

It feels like people like Geller have created a fantasy world, and simply decided to live within it instead of the real one.

It's all about making a living, via demagoguery. These people are the scums we live with.

13 Interesting Times  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:00:49pm

re: #1 rwmofo

So to preempt what I'm sure will be an inevitable MBF derp, here you go:

Ed Schultz apology for what he said about Laura Ingraham

Now go ahead and tell us that Limbaugh's lie-filled garbage is in any way equivalent, and you wholeheartedly accept his apology 9_9

14 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:01:45pm

I'll give it to Pammy.

I couldn't say or type "Gay Transgender Prostitute Nanny" while drunk.

15 Coracle  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:02:16pm

re: #12 Oooh, the Vagina uses birth control

It's all about making a living, via demagoguery. These people are the scums we live with.

The hatefulness of it disheartens me.

16 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:03:12pm

Where did those Obama baby pictures come from? They look authentic.

I Googled "Obama baby pictures" and could not believe the dump of nasty stuff that came up.

17 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:05:23pm

re: #15 Coracle

The hatefulness of it disheartens me.

Oh me too.

18 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:06:12pm

re: #14 ggt

I'll give it to Pammy.

I couldn't say or type "Gay Transgender Prostitute Nanny" while drunk.

That wasn't a very nice thing to type.

It's the first thing that came to mind.

19 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:06:16pm

Yes stupid wingnuts. There are transgendered people out there. Some of them are even former Marines. Some of them are even former Marines and Republicans. Hate to burst your stupid tiny little ignorant heads but that's life. If you want to turn back the hands of time good luck because it's not going to happen. If you want to live in a world like Pamela Geller suggest then i know just the right place for you: Saudi Arabia.

20 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:07:02pm

Even Pam's commenters are beginning to complain about the threadbare frankensteined connections in her posts.

posted by: Jamadagnii | Monday, March 05, 2012 at 01:16 PM

I don't understand why this is an article or post let alone labeled as a "bombshell".
The first line reads: "Is it any wonder that Obama is calling Sandra Fluke to congratulate her on her rampant promiscuity?"
I also don't understand what this line has to do with anything in the post.

21 freetoken  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:08:12pm

re: #19 Gus

Yes stupid wingnuts.

The Daily Mail exists to provide a relatively more prestigious outlet for idiocy, relative to say WND or Coast to Coast AM.

Lot's of money has been made off of stupid people, and a whole lot more money is still on the table, for anyone who wants to venture into that sort of business.

22 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:08:27pm

re: #19 Gus

Yes stupid wingnuts. There are transgendered people out there. Some of them are even former Marines. Some of them are even former Marines and Republicans. Hate to burst your stupid tiny little ignorant heads but that's life. If you want to turn back the hands of time good luck because it's not going to happen. If you want to live in a world like Pamela Geller suggest then i know just the right place for you: Saudi Arabia.

I've been thinking along those lines a lot myself these days.

Only Pammy would have a problem living in Saudi. Not sure they'd let her out of Customs into the Kingdom.

23 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:09:02pm

This is repulsive. I can't believe that in the year 2012 we have people like this in our midst. Such hatred. Such vile and despicable hatred. They're fucking bigots. Racists. Haters. Pamela Geller needs to put on a white robe now and just join the Ku Kulx Klan.

24 Tigger2005  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:10:03pm

re: #8 Gus

This is not a factual statement. Seems to be a new habit with Republicans, wingnuts, etc. Lie.

"New"?

25 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:10:59pm

re: #1 rwmofo

"Is it any wonder that Obama is calling Sandra Fluke to congratulate her on her rampant promiscuity?" Heh.

Kinda wonder what Ms Fluke's mom had to say about that...

What promiscuity, asshat?

Why is having sex bad, prudish dipstick?

Wallowing in the muck with Geller brings out the worst in some, how about you?

26 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:12:02pm

re: #21 freetoken

The Daily Mail exists to provide a relatively more prestigious outlet for idiocy, relative to say WND or Coast to Coast AM.

Lot's of money has been made off of stupid people, and a whole lot more money is still on the table, for anyone who wants to venture into that sort of business.

I'll stick with my Three Card Monty subway scam, thanks. I'm pretty sure I'll feel less skeevy that way.

27 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:13:11pm

It is the ultimate shitshow watching cooking shows while hungry.

28 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:15:17pm
29 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:15:47pm

I've lost all patience with these assholes, and yes that's an emotional response. It's the only path these hateful, mindless, self deluded fools understand.

30 Tigger2005  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:15:49pm

I don’t even know what to say about this one. It’s so far into the Tinfoil Zone, you’ll only hurt your brain if you try to make sense of her weird attempt at “connecting the dots.”

I worry sometimes that reading this stuff might cause irreparable brain damage. I don't think I'll be able to listen to the Rush compilation. It will probably kill off billions of brain cells.

31 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:16:00pm

re: #20 jaunte

Even Pam's commenters are beginning to complain about the threadbare frankensteined connections in her posts.

You know the shit is getting thick when her fans can see it.

32 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:16:31pm

re: #27 Oooh, the Vagina uses birth control

I can't tell you how many times I've watched Lidia Bastianich craft some real kick ass, authentic, regional Italian meal from scratch, while listening to my stomach growl and thinking resentfully of the PB&J I'm about to make.

33 freetoken  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:16:36pm

One idea for my semi-retirement would be to start up a religious website, and crank out God-talk books/booklets for sale, sort of like WND. I've got the vocabulary, I can write well, self-publishing has never been easier, and our society is as full of marks as ever.

Only problem is, would my conscience bother me while I raked in the $$ ?

34 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:16:54pm

re: #25 b_sharp

What promiscuity, asshat?

Why is having sex bad, prudish dipstick?

Wallowing in the muck with Geller brings out the worst in some, how about you?

Yeah, I've never quite figured that out.

Two consenting adults, contraception, condoms . . . .

Who the fuck cares?

35 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:17:09pm

I'm out.

36 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:17:14pm
37 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:17:28pm

Visitors. Please don't mind "rwmofo". He's our resident wingnut troll and his flat head gives us a good place to put our beers in between typing.

//

38 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:19:04pm

re: #33 freetoken

No, Freetoken!!! Don't listen to the Emperor, the Dark Side of the Force really stinks.

39 darthstar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:20:06pm

Geller disgusts me.

40 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:20:25pm

re: #28 Learned Mother of Zion

Satire and reality have become so close recently

41 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:21:33pm

re: #1 rwmofo

If you're going to this much of an ass, please change out your picture of Ronald Reagan for a picture of Andrew Breitbart. Reagan had some sense of class and knew better than to be hating like you're doing, while Breitbart would have found the hate right up his allaey.

And no: It's not too soon for that line.

42 Firstinla  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:22:23pm

This *bombshell* will have Santorum folding at light speed.

43 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:22:30pm

OK, I need to put my beer down. No. Wait. I can put it down on top of rwmofo's head.

//

44 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:22:34pm

re: #28 Learned Mother of Zion

Heh. Also on deck at The Onion...

Heartbroken Santorum Condemns Gay Marriage For Two-Timing Jerks Like Nick

An emotional Rick Santorum stepped up his anti-gay rhetoric this week, saying jerks like Philadelphia's Nicholas Wiseman should not be allowed to marry a man they barely know when there's someone out there who truly cares for them.

45 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:22:38pm

re: #22 ggt

Thing is the kkk wouldn't accept a Jewish woman.

46 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:24:24pm

Oops! That was foe Gus' #22.

47 freetoken  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:24:59pm

re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth

48 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:28:00pm

re: #47 freetoken

I used to have the double album (vinyl) score from the first movie. I wonder what that would be worth now?

49 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:28:24pm

Rush Limbaugh now stands at -15 advertisers.

50 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:30:52pm

Sister Sarah's new facebook post, in support of Rush

I stand amazed and impressed at our military personnel's loyalty to the office of the Commander in Chief. I understand and am thankful for that loyalty. They deserve better.

I am not linking. Go to the depths on your own.

51 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:31:35pm

Since when did Pamela Geller become the Patron Saint of the chaste?

52 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:31:43pm

re: #50 Oooh, the Vagina uses birth control

Sister Sarah's new facebook post, in support of Rush

I am not linking. Go to the depths on your own.

Nice to see that Sarah Palin is fantasizing about treason.

53 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:32:42pm

SARAH PAC NEEDS MONEY NOW

54 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:32:49pm

re: #49 Gus

Apparently he issued another apology on his show today.

You know, there was a time when a media mouth could lie about the issues/facts, like he has in the case Ms. Fluke's testimony, and never get called on it. In fact, the lie would become the accepted gospel for most folks.

I am beginning to think the era of the internet is slowly forcing that time to slip away. I hope so, anyway.

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:33:30pm

re: #9 Slumbering Behemoth

Probably something along the lines of "QUIT LYING ABOUT THE CONTENT OF MY DAUGHTER'S TESTIMONY AND CHARACTER, YOU DRUNKEN LOONY BITCH!!!"

Now, that's much nicer than what I said.

56 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:33:36pm

THE CHEESE IS TWICE THE FENCEPOST

57 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:33:43pm

re: #50 Oooh, the Vagina uses birth control

Sister Sarah's new facebook post, in support of Rush

I am not linking. Go to the depths on your own.

How is that in support of Rush. I'm not on Facebook, due to the Stalkers.

58 freetoken  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:33:43pm

re: #48 Slumbering Behemoth

I used to have the double album (vinyl) score from the first movie. I wonder what that would be worth now?

I suspect the condition would be the determining factor. I seem to remember that lots of copies were sold.

59 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:33:58pm

re: #49 Gus

What 4 just left?

60 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:34:02pm

re: #53 Oooh, the Vagina uses birth control

SARAH PAC NEEDS MONEY NOW

She can still run! Send her your republican dollars!


The crazy is growing, oh what fun times

61 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:34:37pm

Hateful Palin to Hoarders. Happily I've lost that appetite.

62 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:35:42pm

re: #59 ProGunLiberal

What 4 just left?

Don't know. Is there 19 total?

63 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:36:01pm

re: #50 Oooh, the Vagina uses birth control

Well, they do deserve better. Like a Pentagon leadership that doesn't misdiagnose their PTSD on purpose in order to avoid paying for the help they need. Is that what you meant, Sarah?

Some how, I highly doubt it.

64 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:36:06pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

How is that in support of Rush. I'm not on Facebook, due to the Stalkers.

From the brilliant hater's ghostwriter:

After watching the administration “tsk-tsking” the conditions our brave men and women in uniform fight through everyday and listening to the apologizing for our troops’ actions in war zones, I stand amazed and impressed at our military personnel's loyalty to the office of the Commander in Chief. I understand and am thankful for that loyalty. They deserve better. They watch the President’s complacency as the media seems to forget our fallen by choosing to give more ink and airtime to a phone call the President makes to praise a 30-year-old college student’s “courage” in publicly speaking about her birth control desires than they’ve given to any of our recent soldiers’ ultimate courage and sacrifice on battlefields far from home. Has he made as great an effort to personally encourage the families of the fallen? His priorities are skewed.

65 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:36:50pm

re: #62 Gus

Earlier, it was 11.

Who are the new 4 that pushes it to 15?

66 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:38:12pm

re: #62 Gus

Don't know. Is there 19 total?

Saw the 15 from a Tweet to this. Doesn't really give an outline.

67 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:38:49pm

re: #65 ProGunLiberal

Earlier, it was 11.

Who are the new 4 that pushes it to 15?

vitacost, SensaWeightLoss and BareEscentuals.

68 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:38:52pm

Ed Schultz just compared his apology to Laura Ingraham to Rush's non-apology, said Rush doesn't have the character to take responsibility for his own actions.

69 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:39:00pm

re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist

Now, that's much nicer than what I said.

Heh. I like what you said, but mine gets to the heart of the matter. Rush and the wingnut blogosphere have been lying about the content of her testimony, and created a furious storm of slut-shaming in order to obfuscate the entire issue.

70 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:39:11pm

re: #67 Varek Raith

vitacost, SensaWeightLoss and BareEscentuals.

Got it from here,
[Link: twitter.com...]

71 JAFO  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:39:18pm

Dear Prudence critiques Rush Limbaugh's apology at Slate.

Bwahahaha

72 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:39:21pm

re: #49 Gus

Rush Limbaugh now stands at -15 advertisers.

Hi Gus! I think it's so much more than him being Beck'd.
I think he is getting painted into a corner he cannot escape from..He is one step away from media destruction by his own hand.
Of Course..I don't pay him no mind..Ever since his comments that were so fucking raciest about Donavon I haven't listened to him.. That was years ago..I'm glad you guys are catching up..*wink*
Rush is a raciest tool..What does it matter what he says on the radio?

73 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:40:31pm

re: #64 Oooh, the Vagina uses birth control

From the brilliant hater's ghostwriter:

Oh, the President and First Lady's priority of prioritizing the troops and their families has totally floated by her little brain. She, family friends with war criminal Jeremy Morlock.

She's a hater, a demagogue and a grifter.

74 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:41:12pm

re: #67 Varek Raith

A weight loss pill and a mineral makeup were advertisers on Rush's show?

75 JAFO  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:42:09pm

Confirmation that two stations have dropped his show.

WBEC in Pittsfield, Massachusetts, along with KPUA in Hilo, Hawaii, both said that Limbaugh's words — he called Fluke a "slut" and a "prostitute" for her advocacy of insurance coverage of birth control, along with other incendiary remarks — had crossed a line for them.

from Huffpo

76 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:42:25pm

re: #71 Ghost of Tom Joad

That's terrific.

In this instance, I chose the wrong words in my analogy of the situation. [This wasn’t an errant remark, but a three-day attack. You pretty much ran through a thesaurus’ worth of synonyms to characterize Ms. Fluke, and you make your living choosing words. An apology should not drip with insincerity.] I did not mean a personal attack on Ms. Fluke. [This is false on its face, so not a good strategy.]
[Link: www.slate.com...]

77 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:45:06pm

re: #74 The Round Heeled Savage Cannibal Ghoul

A weight loss pill and a mineral makeup were advertisers on Rush's show?

Yeah, all the snake oil sellers found his market to be lucrative.

78 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:46:00pm

re: #77 ggt

Yeah, all the snake oil sellers found his market to be lucrative.

Just like Beck and the seeds.

79 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:46:05pm

Reading one story:
• AOL
• Allstate
• AutoZone
• Bonobos
• Carbonite
• Citrix Success
• Cleveland Cavaliers
• Heart and Body Extract
• Legal Zoom
• Oreck
• ProFlowers
• Quicken Loans
• Sears
• Sleep Number
• Sleep Train
• Tax Resolution

80 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:46:11pm

re: #72 HoosierHoops

Signed up for the Cleveland County Email. Hope you are doing well.

81 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:46:24pm

re: #78 Oooh, the Vagina uses birth control

Just like Beck and the seeds.

GOLD!

82 CarleeCork  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:46:43pm

re: #1 rwmofo

"Is it any wonder that Obama is calling Sandra Fluke to congratulate her on her rampant promiscuity?" Heh.

Kinda wonder what Ms Fluke's mom had to say about that...

What of Limpball's rampant promiscuity? A Viagra script in someone else's name? What did Rush's mommy have to say?

83 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:47:16pm

re: #79 Gus

Reading one story:

• Legal Zoom
• Citrix Success
• Heart and Body Extract
• AutoZone
• Sleep Train
• Sleep Number
• Sears
• ProFlowers
• Carbonite
• Bonobos
• Allstate
• Cleveland Cavaliers
• Quicken Loans
• Oreck
• AOL
• Tax Resolution.

Let's see. Advertisers know that the majority of the buying decisions made for the home are made by women?

84 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:47:32pm
85 TedStriker  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:47:41pm

re: #75 Ghost of Tom Joad

Confirmation that two stations have dropped his show.

from Huffpo

Good luck with anyone hoping that a lot of stations will drop Rush, because I'd have to say that most of his affiliates are ClearChannel-owned stations, not independents or stations owned by competing companies, such as Cumulus Media.

The only way he'll be off of those stations is if Rush quits (not bloody likely) or is run off (slightly more likely, but still a very remote possiblilty, given the support he's still getting from the ClearChannel brass).

86 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:47:51pm

re: #79 Gus

You know, I though Legal Zoom would be the last, glad they were one of the firsts.

87 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:48:35pm

re: #86 Oooh, the Vagina uses birth control

You know, I though Legal Zoom would be the last, glad they were one of the firsts.

That list of course is subject to verification. ;)

88 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:49:10pm
89 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:49:25pm

The First Lady visited Kansas City today ~[Link: fox4kc.com...]

90 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:49:29pm

re: #83 ggt

Let's see. Advertisers know that the majority of the buying decisions made for the home are made by women?

Women, you know, those people Rush likes to have sex with?

Oh wait . . .

91 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:50:24pm

re: #64 Oooh, the Vagina uses birth control

OK, I see. I also Googled her blurb and found that a Freeper called 'bigtigermike' has latched onto it and the hate is flowing:

The dims plan:

Cut military and tricare benefits so every woman at an exclusive law school gets free birth control.

When I was in college we had to provide our own birth control. BTW one of the methods suggested by the free clinic at the university was the aspirin method so roundly criticized recently.
2 posted on Monday, March 05, 2012 5:15:15 PM by pfflier

And a few posts later the Fluke hate is replaced by anti-Michelle Obama racism:

While the Wookie is holdingour attention and saying that Obama really cares for our troops, the nasty anti-American POS is sneaking around stabbing them in the back.

7 posted on Monday, March 05, 2012 5:34:07 PM by Venturer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Freeps are creeps.

92 jaunte  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:50:41pm
93 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:51:22pm

Might be more than that. Another one being GoToMeeting.

You have sponsors added to advertisers. It's a lot more than 15. Then you have the two radio station cancellations. Hopefully he'll get sued by Ms. Fluke.

94 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:51:47pm

┻━┻ ︵ヽ(`Д´)ノ︵ ┻━┻

This is cool.

95 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:52:12pm

re: #80 ProGunLiberal

Signed up for the Cleveland County Email. Hope you are doing well.

AWESOME! OK When we do the west side Applebees lunch next month I will pay for you and all the friends you can bring..I know it can be embarrassing eating there listening to a politician talk and lunching with old school Dems but some day you young ones will control the Dem Party..

96 TedStriker  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:53:37pm

re: #93 Gus

Might be more than that. Another one being GoToMeeting.

You have sponsors added to advertisers. It's a lot more than 15. Then you have the two radio station cancellations. Hopefully he'll get sued by Ms. Fluke.

GoToMeeting is one of Citrix Systems' products; they were one of the first companies to dump Rush.

97 Gus  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:54:21pm

re: #96 talon_262

GoToMeeting is one of Citrix's products; they were one of the first companies to dump Rush.

Ah. OK. It's probably 15 then and that list might have some extras or subs.

98 CarleeCork  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:54:38pm

Do I sense a double standard?

99 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:54:52pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

It's bullshit based on lies. Amazing how exceptional America is, eh?

100 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:55:46pm

As bad as the propaganda seems now, I still think it was worse during the Federalist/Anti Federalist era --and the Civil War.

Somehow, I don't know why.

101 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:56:20pm

re: #95 HoosierHoops

Good man

102 CarleeCork  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:57:35pm

re: #89 prairiefire

The First Lady visited Kansas City today ~[Link: fox4kc.com...]

To impose her healthy food initiative? What an evil bitch!

//

103 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:59:32pm

re: #102 CarleeCork

To impose her healthy food initiative? What an evil bitch!

//

Even worse. To support the troops and their families.

Sarah Palin needs to read a newspaper and stop grifting. Gah she pisses me off with her stupid, non-factual shit.

104 TedStriker  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:59:36pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

OK, I see. I also Googled her blurb and found that a Freeper called 'bigtigermike' has latched onto it and the hate is flowing:

And a few posts later the Fluke hate is replaced by anti-Michelle Obama racism:

Freeps are creeps.

It's funny how a Freeper douchebag is using the nickname of a 70s-80s wannabe oil tycoon douchebag as part of his own nick.

Letters of Note: The Tiger Oil Memos

105 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:59:59pm

re: #100 ggt

Somehow, I don't know why.

You're either a Highlander, a vampire, or one of those freaky aliens that look human, but live a really, really long time.

106 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:00:25pm

re: #104 talon_262

It's funny how a Freeper douchebag is using the nickname of a 70s-80s wannabe oil tycoon douchebag as part of his own nick.

Letters of Note: The Tiger Oil Memos

His grandson?

107 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:00:43pm

re: #99 Oooh, the Vagina uses birth control

It's bullshit based on lies. Amazing how exceptional America is, eh?

I believe America is exceptional, but that doesn't mean we don't screw up or that other-wise patriotic Americans can't act like assholes.

108 TedStriker  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:02:37pm

re: #106 Oooh, the Vagina uses birth control

His grandson?

I'd kind of hope that that the original Tiger Mike didn't spawn.

109 CarleeCork  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:02:42pm

re: #103 Oooh, the Vagina uses birth control

Even worse. To support the troops and their families.

Sarah Palin needs to read a newspaper and stop grifting. Gah she pisses me off with her stupid, non-factual shit.

How could that evil wookie Moochelle possibly support the troops?

//

110 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:02:50pm

re: #104 talon_262

It's funny how a Freeper douchebag is using the nickname of a 70s-80s wannabe oil tycoon douchebag as part of his own nick.

Letters of Note: The Tiger Oil Memos

rotflamo!

111 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:03:22pm

re: #105 Slumbering Behemoth

You're either a Highlander, a vampire, or one of those freaky aliens that look human, but live a really, really long time.

Could be . . .

112 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:06:20pm

re: #111 ggt

Could be . . .

Must not be the Vampire, as I am vewy, vewy tired and it is dark out.

NIght all!

113 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:07:25pm

It’s like Kasich is personally trying to prove the old quip that as soon as you make something idiot proof, they build a better idiot. Heckuva job, Ohio!

"Ohio Gov. John Kasich on Monday reconsidered his rejection of federal help in tornado-stricken communities and asked federal inspectors to assess the damage as soon as possible.
A team from the Federal Emergency Management Agency is expected to arrive Tuesday in Clermont County to survey the storm damage and determine whether the region qualifies for financial or logistical assistance."


it's like the republicans are actively trying to destroy themselves, they're committing political suicide

114 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:08:17pm

This story was just covered on the Radio Show I am watching.

Pokemon Brown

This past weekend saw the Pokémon Video Game Championships hit Birmingham, UK, with teams travelling from all over Europe for a shot at the prize. While the event itself went off without a hitch, Ruben Puis Lecegui defending his title to secure a trip to Hawaii, we've heard rumblings of an unpleasant occurrence along the way.

Read the article.

Also, the people in the IRC are angry at Limbaugh. When they covered this story, one guy said:

Can we send some yogurt to Rush Limbaugh?

I think they are a bit more crude there, no?

115 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:09:49pm

re: #104 talon_262

It's funny how a Freeper douchebag is using the nickname of a 70s-80s wannabe oil tycoon douchebag as part of his own nick.

Letters of Note: The Tiger Oil Memos

If its an 80's riff, maybe he's pining for REAGAN!!1. The ALL CAPS followed by the "!!1" serve to differentiate the Wingnut Fantasy Reagan from the real man who was Ronald Reagan.

117 im_gumby_damnit  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:10:52pm

A couple of quick points on this one: "Is it any wonder that Obama is calling Sandra Fluke to congratulate her on her rampant promiscuity?"

First, the President should have called her to thank her for the welcome distraction from Republican primaries.

Second, Ms. Fluke is a law student, which is pretty solid evidence that she is probably not having all that much sex.

118 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:13:34pm

re: #110 ggt

You must peruse "letters of note" they update, and you can spend wonderful hours there.

119 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:13:46pm

Not only does this make more sense than Geller and Palin combined, it is also way cooler...

120 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:13:48pm

re: #101 Oooh, the Vagina uses birth control

Good man

You have always been kind..Thanks
So last year I knew joining the Dems in a College town would rock..Last Summer we had walks downtown visiting Art studios and drinking fine wine and just socializing and talking politics. I have had the pleasure of meeting so many Professors and OU Staff and old school dems here in Norman..Last year I had lunch with Dr. John Snow who was the Dean of the OU Climatology dept.. I posted about it..Norman Rocks..
I will miss this place my friends...I never thought that was possible when I moved here...Well you guys know how much I miss my friends in Indiana..

121 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:16:20pm

re: #117 im_gumby_damnit

A couple of quick points on this one: "Is it any wonder that Obama is calling Sandra Fluke to congratulate her on her rampant promiscuity?"

First, the President should have called her to thank her for the welcome distraction from Republican primaries.

Second, Ms. Fluke is a law student, which is pretty solid evidence that she is probably not having all that much sex.

SILENCE!! THE GREAT EL RUSHBO HAS DECREED THAT SHE IS A SLUT!!1 ALL THOSE WHO DOUTBT HIM HATE AMERICA!!1

122 TedStriker  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:17:38pm

re: #118 Oooh, the Vagina uses birth control

You must peruse "letters of note" they update, and you can spend wonderful hours there.

Oh, yeah...it's as much of a black hole for your free time as Snopes, Wikipedia, and TVTropes.

Great stuff.

123 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:17:45pm

Racism has always been the nasty little boil on the ass of America; you know it's there, but it's been covered by a nice pair of slacks and a strained smile. It seems like black guy getting elected president let all the aweful out. I guess in a way, it's a good thing because not dealing with it head on will only make it worse.

124 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:17:49pm

re: #120 HoosierHoops

Huge *

I'm going 'good night now' Have a great rest everyone.

125 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:20:37pm

re: #50 Oooh, the Vagina uses birth control

Sister Sarah's new facebook post, in support of Rush

I am not linking. Go to the depths on your own.

Nothing says "support the troops" like using them as a shield from which behind to toss petty, stupid remarks.

(Hm. That's probably a pretty good summary of what Palin's foreign policy stance is.)

126 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:23:19pm

Nighty-night everyone.

127 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:23:55pm

re: #123 OhNoZombies!

Racism has always been the nasty little boil on the ass of America

In fairness, I believe that is true of all countries. "Hating the other" is a nastier part of human nature.

And as far as I know, the US is the only predominantly white, western nation to elect a non-white to the highest office in the country.

All that said, there is a giant swath of racist ugliness out there that can not be denied, nor should it be ignored.

128 austin_blue  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:27:50pm

I would love to believe that Pammy has some functioning brain cells left, but the evidence indicates that she has gone full retard.

129 CarleeCork  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:28:37pm

re: #128 austin_blue

I would love to believe that Pammy has any functioning brain cells left, but the evidence is that she has gone full retard.

That train left the station a long time ago.

130 freetoken  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:29:23pm

For all of this reaction over Rush Limbaugh, please remember that his broadcasting owner, Premier Radio Networks, was built on this type of trash.

PRN has produced, sold, and transmitted hundreds and hundreds of hours per month of original programming aimed at tapping into the wallets of the haters, the ugly, and the just plain stupid.

It's an American industry that has captured a slice of our society and which has thrived for a few decades now.

131 CarleeCork  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:30:00pm

Good night lizards....keep on keeping on.

132 austin_blue  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:32:18pm

Night all. Sweet scaly dreams.

133 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:33:10pm

re: #1 rwmofo

"Is it any wonder that Obama is calling Sandra Fluke to congratulate her on her rampant promiscuity?" Heh.

Kinda wonder what Ms Fluke's mom had to say about that...

Probably nothing because like most women she would know that when it comes to birth control pills of as a form of contraception there is no connection at all between amount spent on them and the number of times someone actually has sex.

You knew that yourself didn't you?

134 Four More Tears  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:34:04pm

"And Rush knows what he's talking about, because every time he's slept with a woman he's had to slip her a pill first."

-Colbert

135 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:34:15pm

I sent off an email to the APO President about the issues within his chapter.

I also informed him that a friend in Colorado who is part of a local APO chapter has decided to take the issues I am having with my own chapter to hers in Colorado. For once, I don't have to do the fighting, and I am grateful to her.

136 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:34:29pm

re: #134 Meh.

That's not subtle.

137 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:35:08pm

One of my favorite comments over on Pams site about the post:

One of the things I found so interesting about the ObaMao election campaign was that he seemed to be a man with absolutely no past before a certain date. Before he was a "community activist" in Chicago there were no details, nothing but a dry litany of bullet points - take it or leave it.

How can anyone in the modern world simply have no past, unless he was a long-time asset of some nefarious group careful to erase all facts and give him a "legend" instead. But even then there would be witnesses to his personal history and development all over the place.

That's the creepy thing, the total absence of anything like college classmates, etc. Have all these people been killed or payed off?

I smell shit based on the omissions alone. The most important office holder in the country (the world) is not entitled to hide his past from the electorate. And this silence could never be maintained without the complicity of the media. If they don't dig it up and tell you the story, there is no story. Sometimes the biggest lies are the things they leave out.

Some very powerful people wanted ObaMao in the White House to do their bidding. He's just a figurehead. The people who could dress up this turd and get him elected are the real threat.

I imagine it's the same people who rammed Bush down our throats and the same people who are currently ramming Romney down out throats to hedge their bets on ObaMao's second term (Five Year Plan) so they'll have something like an ObaMao either way.

Keith Mahone (aka Charles Martel)

It's just bursting with crazy flavor!

138 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:35:15pm

re: #134 Meh.

"And Rush knows what he's talking about, because every time he's slept with a woman he's had to slip her a pill first."

-Colbert

I can't speak to that, though personally I've always found Rush himself to be quite a pill.

139 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:36:17pm

re: #130 freetoken

Rush ain't going anywhere. He may have to eat more crow over this than he's used to, but his job is not in danger.

140 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:36:30pm

re: #138 jamesfirecat

I don't get the meaning of "pill" in this context.

141 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:37:28pm

re: #137 The Round Heeled Savage Cannibal Ghoul

Wasn't there a Charles Martel that used to comment here.

142 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:38:26pm

re: #141 Slumbering Behemoth

Maybe that is where i remembered that name. I kept thinking his name seemed so familiar.

143 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:38:45pm

re: #140 ProGunLiberal

I don't get the meaning of "pill" in this context.

It's something my grandma would have said to me when I was a kid.

"Stop acting like such a pill". It means something like a pain in the ass, though I do not know it's origins.

144 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:38:59pm

re: #140 ProGunLiberal

I don't get the meaning of "pill" in this context.

[Link: www.thefreedictionary.com...]

4. Something both distasteful and necessary.

Rush Limbaugh is distasteful and necessary in so far as he provides a perfect representation of the Republican intellectual id and a great way to define ourselves based on what we are not.

Or more simply further down the page...

3. pill - a unpleasant or tiresome person


This is the kind of humor I do at 12:40 at night people!

145 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:41:42pm

re: #144 jamesfirecat

[Link: www.thefreedictionary.com...]

4. Something both distasteful and necessary.

Rush Limbaugh is distasteful and necessary in so far as he provides a perfect representation of the Republican intellectual id and a great way to define ourselves based on what we are not.

Or more simply further down the page...

3. pill - a unpleasant or tiresome person

Good use of language, James.

146 JAFO  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:42:01pm

re: #143 Slumbering Behemoth

My dad used to say it. I never quite understood the saying.

147 freetoken  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:42:02pm

Off topic (umm... maybe):

Is this why we invaded Iraq?

Iraq oil output over 3 mln bpd; first time in decades

Iraq's oil production has risen above 3 million barrels per day for the first time in more than three decades, it announced on Monday, and said it will sharply increase exports with a major new floating oil terminal beginning operations in three days.

"While I am talking to you today, the Iraqi oil production has exceeded 3 million barrels per day," Deputy Prime Minister Hussein al-Shahristani told a conference in Baghdad.

"Loading crude from the first floating oil terminal will start during the next three days."

Nine years after the invasion that toppled dictator Saddam Hussein, Iraq has ambitious plans to expand oil production long held back by decades of sanctions and war.

[...]

148 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:46:00pm

ohfuckyes

Though I'm not entirely sold on the setting and time period.

149 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:46:45pm

re: #143 Slumbering Behemoth

It's something my grandma would have said to me when I was a kid.

"Stop acting like such pill". It means something like a pain in the ass, though I do not know it's origins.

You know if I was smarter I'd come up with a clever explanation about how back in the old days most pills had to be taken as suppositories and from there you go from suppositorial methods of birth control, to santorum (the frothy mixture not the politician) which would lead us right back to Santorum (the politician not the frothy mixture) and his refusal to truly call out Limbaugh for what he's said thus bringing us back around to the pill that started it all.


Good night everybody!

150 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:51:13pm

re: #146 Ghost of Tom Joad

My dad used to say it. I never quite understood the saying.

Well, there's this explanation. Not sure how accurate it is.

But I'm going with it anyway, when I tell my grandma what she was really calling me all those times when I was a kid.

151 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:55:03pm

re: #140 ProGunLiberal

I don't get the meaning of "pill" in this context.

Roofies

152 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:57:56pm

re: #151 Kragar

Well, aren't I the cute, innocent one.

////not enough in the world

153 freetoken  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:04:28pm

Like the article title:

The day of the demagogues

Ever since Jerry Falwell founded the Moral Majority, the Pious have dreamed of that great day when Lady Virtue would scythe-down the wicked and restore the Sunnybrook Republic.

They probably thought this was the time, too. After all, a nigra moozlim in the White House? Socialized medicine? A sclerotic economy? Red-blooded American boys can’t even beat-up on gays without a stink? And spread-legged sluts think they should be treated with respect?

Surely, nobody could fail to see that the wages of sin are now in hand?

No wonder Rick Santorum and Rush Limbaugh felt free to expose their unhinged and malice-eaten ids.

[...]

In 1925, in Dayton, Tennessee [...]

Three decades later, Joe McCarthy terrified the country [...]

In 2005, riding high following the re-election of George Bush, for which he could justly claim some credit, James Dobson went to Washington [...]

I suspect that, as in those other cases, widespread viewing of the strange pronouncements of Rick Santorum and the indefensible cruelty of Rush Limbaugh have probably undone them — for a while, at least. They and their movements aren’t going to go away but, by going a bridge too far, nobody has any excuse any longer for not seeing them for the lunatics, cheap demagogues, and bullies they actually are.

I agree that no one has an excuse for not seeing the likes of Rush Limbaugh for the bully that he is... but after years of this type of stuff there really are people out there who still listen to the words of Limbaugh... and support the likes of Santorum.

What gives?

154 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:13:57pm

re: #153 freetoken

What gives?

"Hate is reality. Don't you know God hates?"

In a nut shell, they are a type that believes in a god who hates whores, gays, etc., and therefore people like Rush aren't being bullies, they are simply telling it like it is. The way their god of hate wants it to be.

155 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:17:20pm

ObaMao. Really? Is that the best these loons can do? Neither clever nor a justifiable comparison.

156 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:17:33pm

re: #147 freetoken

Off topic (umm... maybe):

Is this why we invaded Iraq?

Iraq oil output over 3 mln bpd; first time in decades

That's not why, but it is a good thing and very timely. A strong increase in Iraqi oil exports will help drive down our gas prices.

Good night, all.

157 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:21:41pm

Can someone tell me what the fuck Pamela Geller is smoking?

158 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:22:30pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

Oh, the NTC found the fuckers going around smashing graves.

They are now in the pokey, being questioned for being assholes.

Something tells me that "questioning" is more brutal in Libya then here. Those fuckers will learn a lesson.

159 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:23:16pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

Can someone tell me what the fuck Pamela Geller is smoking?

Bad shit, mon!

//

160 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:23:45pm

re: #159 Targetpractice

Bad shit, mon!

//

Seems that way. Anyhow I had an awesome Monday night so I am content.

161 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:27:21pm

re: #159 Targetpractice

She's smoking Paper soaked in Drano.

162 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:35:04pm

re: #154 Slumbering Behemoth

Take the Phelps clan, for instance. They are the purist distillation of the philosophy behind a hateful god*. And what their god hates, the faithful must hate with equal fervor.

Even the young members, when confronted on their "God Hates..." whatever signs by more tolerant, decent Christians who point out that a loving, christian god would hate what the Phelps are doing, their response is "So you admit that God does hate. On that we can agree".

Further, they believe that adhering to the doctrine of their god of hate, they in turn will be hated by the doomed heathens of the earth. It is a nasty feedback loop that strengthens them and reinforces their righteousness, for the world hates a righteous man. And the more hatred they can provoke, the more righteous they believe they are.

This sort of thinking, in it's more diluted, political form can be seen in the thinking of an average wingnut when they say "If it makes Liberals angry, then it must be a good and just thing, for liberals hate all that is good and just".

It should really be classified as a mental disorder.

*I should add "as seen in this nation".

163 CriticalDragon1177  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:58:14pm

Charles Johnson

Geller is digger herself deeper. I wonder how long it will be until she accuses Sandra of being part of the stealth jihad?

164 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:59:44pm

re: #163 CriticalDragon1177

Charles Johnson

Geller is digger herself deeper. I wonder how long it will be until she accuses Sandra of being part of the stealth jihad?

Of course she is. You see first you get your secular atheists, then you get your Islamic theocracy. Its a slippery slope.
/

165 Lidane  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:59:56pm

re: #8 Gus

This is not a factual statement. Seems to be a new habit with Republicans, wingnuts, etc. Lie.

I defy anyone who's voted GOP to show me a truly factual statement since 1992.

166 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:24:23pm
167 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:37:17pm

re: #166 Kragar

Mike Tyson to debut onstage in one-man Vegas show about himself

Considering the stuff that's come out of this primary season, that's the sanest bit of news I've heard in a long while.

168 Four More Tears  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:43:35pm

re: #166 Kragar

Mike Tyson to debut onstage in one-man Vegas show about himself

Yes, because if Charlie Sheen taught us anything, it's that anyone can put on a comedy show worth seeing...

169 Kragar  Mon, Mar 5, 2012 11:52:06pm

re: #168 Meh.

Yes, because if Charlie Sheen taught us anything, it's that anyone can put on a comedy show worth seeing...

After seeing Mike Tyson as Herman Cain, I think it might not be half bad.

170 Amory Blaine  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 1:16:34am

"Kicked in the pills". Another euphemism.

171 researchok  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 1:21:25am

Morning, all

172 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 2:18:46am

re: #147 freetoken

Off topic (umm... maybe):

Is this why we invaded Iraq?

Iraq oil output over 3 mln bpd; first time in decades

We won!!!

173 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 2:55:50am

A six foot five, hairy, fully bearded, ex-Army friend of mine has posted "I am pretty flower man" twenty times on his Facebook wall during the night.

That must be some good booze.

174 BongCrodny  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 3:36:19am

re: #168 Meh.

Yes, because if Charlie Sheen taught us anything, it's that anyone can put on a comedy show worth seeing...

I imagine it won't be too long before I'll have seen it so many times I'll be sick to death of it, but for the moment I absolutely love the DirecTV commercial with Charlie Sheen.

The guy may be weird squared, but he's not afraid to make fun of himself.

DirecTV/Charlie Sheen commercial

175 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 4:15:52am

re: #1 rwmofo

"Is it any wonder that Obama is calling Sandra Fluke to congratulate her on her rampant promiscuity?" Heh.

Kinda wonder what Ms Fluke's mom had to say about that...

Mindless far-right moron.

Wait, why am I repeating myself?

176 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 4:20:30am

The republican party will end, in the next 10-15 years and it will end in violence


just a friendly prediction

177 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 4:21:11am

re: #173 Obdicut

A six foot five, hairy, fully bearded, ex-Army friend of mine has posted "I am pretty flower man" twenty times on his Facebook wall during the night.

That must be some good booze.

pretty pictures or gtfo

178 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 4:27:09am

re: #177 windupbird is in the gravity well

There aren't any. Just pretty words.

179 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 4:48:43am

re: #155 wheatdogg

ObaMao. Really? Is that the best these loons can do? Neither clever nor a justifiable comparison.

What else have they come up with? 'NoBama', 'Obongo' 'Obummer' etc. All the wingnut attempts to make fun of Obama's name just emphasise their own racism, stupidity and desperation. I think at some level they realise this, which just makes them angrier and more desperate, which prompts them to come up with more stupid variations of his name, and so on...

No wonder wingnuts are always melting down - they're always stuck in these sort of positive feedback loops, with self loathing as the fundamental driving force.

180 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 4:51:22am

re: #179 Jimmah

"B. Hussein Obama" gotta be the best. Oh yeah! We will emphasize a scary Arabic name! Take that, liberal fascists!

181 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 4:56:13am

re: #180 Saint Putin on a Toast

"B. Hussein Obama" gotta be the best. Oh yeah! We will emphasize a scary Arabic name! Take that, liberal fascists!

Yep. Fearless wingnuts - exposing the parts of Obama's name that the librhul 'stablishment doesn't like to think about/

182 Flounder  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 4:56:19am

Wow, Drudge's top story states BinLaden's body was not dumped at sea. I read the story, doesn't even pass ther smell test. Pretty piss poor, I'm not linking to it.

183 sagehen  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:01:05am

The DSCC has a great ad just up in support of the uterati:

184 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:02:25am

Good morning Lizards!

Cold (below freezing) here in PhillyLand, but clear and sunny (as always).

Anything interesting happening overnight for the GREAT AND POWERFUL RUSH to comment on? Beyond the weakness of your souls and your total inability to affect him and his hordes of followers?

185 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:02:36am

re: #182 Tommy

I don't even see why that would be a story. What if it wasn't?

186 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:03:18am

re: #185 Saint Putin on a Toast

I don't even see why that would be a story. What if it wasn't?

That would imply that the conspiracy was working.

187 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:05:04am

re: #186 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

CIA lied? Knock me down with a feather!

Anyway, it always pays to look at the sources. The source in this case is the same pack of Stratfor emails. Which are full of rumors. In this case it's not even stated as a fact in the emails:

If body dumped at sea, which I doubt, the touch is very Adolph Eichman like. The Tribe did the same thing with the Nazi's ashes

188 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:06:42am

re: #187 Saint Putin on a Toast

Today's 5-sec fact-check has been sponsored by Ritz crackers.

189 Flounder  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:09:01am

Putin on the Ritz
Thanks, now i will be singing that now.

190 kirkspencer  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:10:41am

re: #173 Obdicut

A six foot five, hairy, fully bearded, ex-Army friend of mine has posted "I am pretty flower man" twenty times on his Facebook wall during the night.

That must be some good booze.

My first thought, before I saw your point, was that he's been playing with his toddler daughter. (c'mon, those of you who've had kids. You've been there.)

191 kirkspencer  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:12:43am

re: #182 Tommy

Wow, Drudge's top story states BinLaden's body was not dumped at sea. I read the story, doesn't even pass ther smell test. Pretty piss poor, I'm not linking to it.

Besides being based on the StratFor dump and various conspiracy theories, why? Seriously, I can think of no intel-worthy reason for bringing the body back. The only reasons I've seen proposed amount to revenge fantasies that border on (or cross broadly into) necrophilia.

192 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:12:49am

re: #189 Tommy

Putin on the Ritz
Thanks, now i will be singing that now.

And eating tacos for lunch?
;)

193 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:16:08am

...

194 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:16:14am

Morning Lizardim. I don't get why the conservative elite feel the need to burden themselves with interfering in the sex lives of Americans in general. They should be worrying about keeping their own houses in order first, if you ask me.

Sunny and warm here in the wild north country. A mild breath of spring is approaching. Too bad I have to work behind a desk all day and can't come down with an unspecified illness.

195 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:17:58am

re: #193 Saint Putin on a Toast

OK, maybe better not to link to wl.

196 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:23:17am

Quadrotator robots playing the James Bond theme - (skip to 14:45)

h/t MikeySDCA's page [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

197 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:28:44am

re: #194 thedopefishlives

A lot of the supporters of various bills insist that it is about religious freedom, limiting government interference or protecting the unborn.

But Rush has made it clear what agenda is really behind all this legislation: slut-shaming.

198 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:29:56am

re: #197 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

A lot of the supporters of various bills insist that it is about religious freedom, limiting government interference or protecting the unborn.

But Rush has made it clear what agenda is really behind all this legislation: slut-shaming.

Religious freedom, bah. More like enforcement of religious morals. I know what they're really trying to do: Please the rabid evangelicals by implementing a theocracy in practice, if not in name.

199 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:34:32am

OK, another followup on the OBL body.

It is true that Burton sent several emails claiming for a fact that OBL's body was bound for Dover in a CIA plane.

E.g. messages with timestamp 2011-05-02 05:51:12 and 2011-05-02 13:36:41.

But in a message with timestamp 2011-05-02 15:11:03:

FBI (more) on Body
Email-ID 1666377
Date 2011-05-02 15:11:03
From burton@stratfor.com
To secure@stratfor.com
Down & dirty done, He already sleeps with the fish....

** Fred's Note: Although I don't really give a rats ass, it seems to me
that by dropping the corpse in the ocean, the body will come back to haunt
us....gotta be violating some sort of obscure heathen religious rule that
will inflame islam? I was sleeping thru that class at Langley.

The US Govt needs to make body pics available like the MX's do, with OBL's
pants pulled down, to shout down the lunatics like Alex Jones and Glenn
Beck.

Seems like a contradiction? RT quotes the last sentence, but not what precedes it.

200 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:38:48am

re: #199 Saint Putin on a Toast

Also, shows the ignorance of Burton-- as well as the casual bigotry.

201 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:42:59am

The 9/11 Twoofers hit the big time... As the punchline to a joke on Cracked.

202 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:44:30am

Good morning lizards!

203 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:45:01am

re: #201 thedopefishlives

*single manly tear rolling down*
*a lifetime of work vindicated*

//

204 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:46:05am

re: #203 Saint Putin on a Toast

There are seriously people who think the planes were holograms?

That's the stupidest troofer theory I've ever heard. It's dumber than nanothermite.

205 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:48:30am

re: #204 Obdicut

It rings a vague bell, but I would think it's a timecube-fringe of a fringe.

206 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:49:15am

re: #204 Obdicut

There are seriously people who think the planes were holograms?

That's the stupidest troofer theory I've ever heard. It's dumber than nanothermite.

It's right up there with Judy Wood's death ray beam from outer space. I've also heard tell of someone proposing a theory involving highly modified attack baboons.

207 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:53:39am

Yeah, well, don't say I didn't predict it.

Police on the Pushkinskaya square was many times more humane than what we've seen during crackdowns on "Occupy Wall Street", campsites in Europe

208 darthstar  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:14:14am

re: #207 Saint Putin on a Toast

Tweet might as well be written in Klingon. Mind translating the response?

209 darthstar  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:15:04am

Mornin' everyone, or if you're from another galaxy, "XLNsv24x."

210 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:15:47am

[Link: gizmodo.com...]

LOL, seems like LulzSec has been beheaded.

211 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:16:16am

re: #208 darthstar

Tweet might as well be written in Klingon. Mind translating the response?

Haven't I? Look at the bottom of the comment.

212 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:20:48am

re: #210 Saint Putin on a Toast

That'd explain the arrests. It's how the feds normally operate. Get one guy and get him to turn.

213 darthstar  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:21:01am

re: #211 Saint Putin on a Toast

Haven't I? Look at the bottom of the comment.

I thought that was your comment...thanks.

214 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:22:06am

re: #210 Saint Putin on a Toast

[Link: gizmodo.com...]

LOL, seems like LulzSec has been beheaded.

Wow, that's quite a coup. Anyone who says that the government can't compete in today's era of the reign of Anonymous clearly doesn't understand the principles of the feds. Namely, find one guy that is squeezable, squeeze him until he breaks, PROFIT.

215 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:22:39am

re: #213 darthstar

My point all along was that bad guys will use these actions as an excuse. Here you are.

216 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:23:28am

KT will pop some champagne today ;)

217 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:25:33am

It's not about who has the better hackers. It's about how badly the better hackers want to avoid getting thrown in the slammer for life. That's one bit of leverage the government has that no NGO can really threaten.

218 celticdragon  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:26:51am
President Obama's gay transgender prostitute nanny

Woohoo!

Now you all know how I have made my living the last three years while I was in school! ;)

Fun fact:

Nothing puts unruly kids to sleep faster then reading the chemical formulas of silicate minerals aloud.

Nothing chases away unruly johns faster then reading the chemical formulas of silicate minerals aloud.

:P

219 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:27:45am

re: #218 celticdragon

We'll wait for the tell-all book. Great for chemists and tabloid readers everywhere.

220 darthstar  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:28:12am

re: #215 Saint Putin on a Toast

My point all along was that bad guys will use these actions as an excuse. Here you are.

I support much (not all) of the Occupy movement. I didn't realize it had moved to Russia...fuck, we off-shore everything over there now. (I have a bunch of engineers in St. Petersburg)

221 celticdragon  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:29:47am

re: #219 thedopefishlives

We'll wait for the tell-all book. Great for chemists and tabloid readers everywhere.

Unfortunately, it would probably put you to sleep as well... :D

222 darthstar  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:30:15am

re: #218 celticdragon

You know when you say that I get hard as a (Ca2Mg5)Si8O22(OH)2

223 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:32:14am

re: #220 darthstar

It has nothing to do with OWS though. Those are anti-Putin protests.

224 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:35:03am

re: #222 darthstar

You know when you say that I get hard as a (Ca2Mg5)Si8O22(OH)2

Be gneiss to the feldspars since you can't take anything from them for granite!
(KAlSi3O8 – NaAlSi3O8 – CaAl2Si2O8)
;)

May the punning commence.

225 darthstar  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:35:42am

re: #223 Saint Putin on a Toast

It has nothing to do with OWS though. Those are anti-Putin protests.

Have people forgotten they should be looking into his soul? Did we learn nothing from President Bush? And protesting against Putin before 2017 breaks the Century between revolutions rule....but who knows...maybe a Tsar is born.

226 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:38:23am

re: #224 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Be gneiss to the feldspars since you can't take anything from them for granite!
(KAlSi3O8 – NaAlSi3O8 – CaAl2Si2O8)
;)

May the punning commence.

*WHACK!*

227 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:39:44am

re: #224 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Don't ruby this salt in my wound.

228 celticdragon  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:39:46am

re: #222 darthstar

You know when you say that I get hard as a (Ca2Mg5)Si8O22(OH)2

But, if you had said you were as hard as (Mg, Fe)7 Si8 O22(OH)2...you could also have said you were Cummingtonite!

:D

229 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:41:46am

re: #137 The Round Heeled Savage Cannibal Ghoul

And that nickname sounds familiar - an ex-poster here at that.

230 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:44:25am

re: #224 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

You say - stone-faced at that.

231 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:46:17am

re: #225 darthstar

But we don't have this generation's Boris Pasternak in place to write the soaring epic on the scale of Dr. Zhivago to capture the mood of the revolution with a complicated love story. /

232 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:51:51am

And with that landslide of comments, I've killed the thread.

233 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:53:22am

re: #232 lawhawk

And with that landslide of comments, I've killed the thread.

It was lawhawk, in the conservatory, with the lead pipe.

234 BongCrodny  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:53:31am

Morning, everyone.

Wishing a very happy Super Tuesday to everyone.

Unless, of course, "happy Super Tuesday" is an oxymoron.

235 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:56:20am

LulzSec Leader Betrays All of Anonymous

Fox News reports the shadowy hack deity is not only confirmed to be 28-year-old New Yorker Hector Xavier Monsegur, but that Sabu has been "collaborating with the government for months," leading to a string of arrests around the world today. It's unclear how many will be dragged down with Sabu's nine months of federal collaborating, but it's safe to assume whatever vestiges of LulzSec remained are toast—we'll know for sure when all of the indictments are unsealed.

236 darthstar  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:57:26am

re: #231 lawhawk

But we don't have this generation's Boris Pasternak in place to write the soaring epic on the scale of Dr. Zhivago to capture the mood of the revolution with a complicated love story. /

Yes, but we still have Warren Beatty.

237 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 6:59:24am

re: #235 Killgore Trout

#210
#216
;)

238 erik_t  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:02:52am

FACT: I can predict with staggering accuracy the success of $CAT's midnight hunts by how affectionately she nuzzles my face in the morning.

Blech.

239 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:05:53am

OWS stabby update: Ex-Occupy Augusta protester gets jail for threat

Police say the 27-year-old Williams was at a gas station about a mile from the protest site in October when he asked the other man for a ride. The victim told police when he told Williams no, Williams threatened him with a knife.

Williams said he was "goofing around."

240 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:06:45am

And there goes the neighborhood.

241 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:07:11am

re: #240 thedopefishlives

Hehehe.

242 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:08:24am

re: #234 BongCrodny

Morning, everyone.

Wishing a very happy Super Tuesday to everyone.

Unless, of course, "happy Super Tuesday" is an oxymoron.

Do not taunt Happy Super Tuesday.

243 makeitstop  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:08:35am

re: #155 wheatdogg

ObaMao. Really? Is that the best these loons can do? Neither clever nor a justifiable comparison.

I used to belong to an online community for a certain type of guitar. Great board, but infested (and run) by wingnuts.

For a while, calling the president 'Obamao' was all the rage there and they thought it was the height of wit.

I stop in there every so often, and they're pretty much consumed with ODS these days.

244 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:08:46am

re: #241 Saint Putin on a Toast

Hehehe.

I'll admit, I am very non-confrontational and averse to strong disagreements. To the point that, when the Lizardim periodically get into a dispute, I'll usually just leave for the day.

245 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:10:09am

re: #244 thedopefishlives

I'll admit, I am very non-confrontational and averse to strong disagreements. To the point that, when the Lizardim periodically get into a dispute, I'll usually just leave for the day.

Could just lock them all in a sauna until they work it out. And leave plenty of extra birch branches available.

246 Bulworth  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:17:26am

OK, which of you libruls made Gellar divert her attention from saving America from Shariah to spewing about Obama's nanny? //

247 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:23:09am

re: #246 Bulworth

OK, which of you libruls made Gellar divert her attention from saving America from Shariah to spewing about Obama's nanny? //

Well, if you think about it, the nanny must be a sooper-sekrit Muslim to take care of Obama's sooper-sekrit Muslim kids. So therefore, he/she/it is spreading Islam and Sharia, although in a completely different way than most people would think about it./

//And now I have to lay off the wingnut sauce, my head hurts

248 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:23:17am

re: #218 celticdragon

Woohoo!

Now you all know how I have made my living the last three years while I was in school! ;)

Fun fact:

Ah well. Being off topic by being on it, it's sad to realize how many trans people can seriously make statements like that.

249 CriticalDragon1177  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:24:46am

re: #246 Bulworth

OK, which of you libruls made Gellar divert her attention from saving America from Shariah to spewing about Obama's nanny? //

Oh no, our Muslamic conspiracy to impliment shariah has been thwarted once again. Oh well, we'll just shoot you with the Muslamic ray gun.

My "Muslamic Ray Gun."

LOL! : )

250 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:26:43am

Five More Advertisers Drop Rush Limbaugh, Bringing Total To 20
By Judd Legum on Mar 6, 2012 at 10:00 am

Five more companies have announced they will pull their advertisements from Rush Limbaugh’s radio show, bringing the total number to 20.

251 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:27:05am

Hey Rocky! Watch me pull some Sharia out of my hat!

252 CriticalDragon1177  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:28:41am

re: #249 CriticalDragon1177

By the way, the person who made that video goes by the youtube user name Ramio1983. He's made a lot of other really funny videos.

253 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:29:30am

re: #250 Gus

Five More Advertisers Drop Rush Limbaugh, Bringing Total To 20
By Judd Legum on Mar 6, 2012 at 10:00 am

Does anyone know how major all these advertisers are with respect to ad time during his show? Like, are we getting to a point where it might become hard to fill the time or have most of the advertisers been using up maybe a couple slots during the entire show?

254 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:29:58am

re: #250 Gus

Meanwhile, this happened in Libya:

Tribal leaders and militia commanders in oil-rich eastern Libya have declared their intention to seek semi-autonomy, raising fears that the country might disintegrate following the fall of Muammar Gaddafi.

Considering this seems to be a a top-down effort from the Al-Jazeera article I read, I wonder if this is actually popular, or a bunch of clowns trying for a power grab.

255 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:30:49am

re: #253 Simply Sarah

Does anyone know how major all these advertisers are with respect to ad time during his show? Like, are we getting to a point where it might become hard to fill the time or have most of the advertisers been using up maybe a couple slots during the entire show?

Only detailed listing I've seen was a spread sheet. Let me look. But I don't think it has that much detail...

256 Interesting Times  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:32:35am
257 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:32:39am

Morning all!

Worth Repeating:

What Got Lost in the Debate About Birth Control

Read more: [Link: ideas.time.com...]

How is everyone this am?

258 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:33:15am

This is the best I can find:

StopRush: Sponsor List : Sheet1

[Link: docs.google.com...]

It's a GoogleDoc xml.

259 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:33:35am

re: #257 ggt

Morning all!

Worth Repeating:

How is everyone this am?

Can't complain! Looking forward to the weather warming up tomorrow, but at least it's nice and sunny today!

260 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:35:17am

re: #259 Simply Sarah

Can't complain! Looking forward to the weather warming up tomorrow, but at least it's nice and sunny today!

It's actually (relatively) warm here today. Took dogs out in my jammies, no coat.

I can't believe it's the beginning of March, I feel like we never had a Winter.

261 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:35:30am

(satire)
Bain Capital announced today that their buyout and reorganization of Rush Limbaugh Inc (GAPRTYLM) has been put on hold.

The EPA has indicated that Limbaugh would be declared a Superfund site once it was no longer an active industrial concern. Citing concerns about excessive clean up and remediation costs regarding disposal of accumulated waste products.

A plan to contract C.U.D. Disposal Ltd for processing was deemed too expensive due to transportation costs accessing the Time of Legends.

GAPRTYLM = GREAT AND POWERFUL RUSH to you Liberal Maggots
COUD = Castle of Ultimate Darkness
(/satire)

262 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:36:17am

re: #258 Gus

This is the best I can find:

StopRush: Sponsor List : Sheet1

[Link: docs.google.com...]

It's a GoogleDoc xml.

Ah, well, thanks for looking that up. Doesn't really answer much (And who knows how accurate the list is), but I suppose that's the best we're going to get without, ugh, listening to his show. No thanks.

263 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:37:04am

re: #260 ggt

It's actually (relatively) warm here today. Took dogs out in my jammies, no coat.

I can't believe it's the beginning of March, I feel like we never had a Winter.

Here it was more Winter in Autumn than since Winter started.

264 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:37:29am

re: #262 Simply Sarah

Ah, well, thanks for looking that up. Doesn't really answer much (And who knows how accurate the list is), but I suppose that's the best we're going to get without, ugh, listening to his show. No thanks.

Rush Limbaugh's voice sometimes sounds like a steam vessel under pressure with a leak.

265 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:38:31am

re: #264 Gus

Rush Limbaugh's voice sometimes sounds like a steam vessel under pressure with a leak.

To me, it's like claws over a chalkboard.

266 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:38:34am

Of course the worse is Mark Levin. There's actually three with unbearable voices:

Alex Jones
Mark Levin
Rush Limbaugh

267 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:39:30am

re: #266 Gus

Get off the Internet you big dope /

268 makeitstop  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:39:37am

The so-called 'Excellence in Broadcasting' empire is leaking money at this point. The wingnut sponsors will have to spend a ton to make up the slack.

Something's got to give here. Approaching critical mass.

I'm betting 'hiatus.'

269 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:40:29am

re: #263 Simply Sarah

Here it was more Winter in Autumn than since Winter started.

A year passed: winter changed into spring, spring changed into summer, summer changed back into winter, and winter gave spring and summer a miss and went straight on into autumn... until one day...
:)

270 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:40:44am

I stopped listening to talk radio in my car years ago. Nothing but classical music.

271 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:41:24am

re: #267 lawhawk

Get off the Internet you big dope /

Limbaugh has his Oxycontin while Jones has his meth. Levin of course has his helium.

//

272 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:41:52am

re: #271 Gus

Limbaugh has his Oxycontin while Jones has his meth. Levin of course has his helium.

//

...

Frank says:

A drug is not bad. A drug is a chemical compound. The problem comes in when people who take drugs treat them as a license to behave like an asshole.

273 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:43:25am

re: #272 wrenchwench

...

Yeah, but. I'm sure you know how that goes. ;)

274 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:44:06am

Some drugs will take your cognitive abilities and toss them out the window for hours if not days.

275 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:44:12am

re: #270 Learned Mother of Zion

I stopped listening to talk radio in my car years ago. Nothing but classical music.

AUDIO BOOKS!

276 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:45:10am

re: #271 Gus

Limbaugh has his Oxycontin while Jones has his meth. Levin of course has his helium.

//

And while succumbing to addiction, I'm sure Rush NEVER had sex with anyone who didn't want to have a baby with.

277 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:46:05am

re: #275 ggt

AUDIO BOOKS!

I once tried listening to an audio book. COULD NOT STAND IT.

278 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:46:18am

re: #276 ggt

And while succumbing to addiction, I'm sure Rush NEVER had sex with anyone who didn't want to have a baby with.

Oh yeah. Because you know the vast majority of men, probably close to 90 percent, never have sex with women outside of making babies and inside of marriage.

//

279 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:48:21am

re: #278 Gus

Oh yeah. Because you know the vast majority of men, probably close to 90 percent, never have sex with women outside of making babies and inside of marriage.

//

Well, I've never had sex with a man for a purpose other than making babies. Granted, I've never had sex with any man, but let's ignore that detail for now!

280 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:49:56am

Not once in all my lifetime have I heard a dude utter the words, "man would I like to bang..."

But I forgot. This doesn't count. If you're a dude you can be a whore and get called a stud. Men don't have to take any personal responsibility when it comes to sport fucking. Which has always been true. The burden of contraception was typically on women. If and when men decided to use condoms. Usually it's women that bear the burden. Dude's just "show up at the door."

281 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:50:30am

re: #277 Learned Mother of Zion

I once tried listening to an audio book. COULD NOT STAND IT.

I don't know about you.

:0

282 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:52:26am

re: #280 Gus

Not once in all my lifetime have I heard a dude utter the words, "man would I like to bang..."

But I forgot. This doesn't count. If you're a dude you can be a whore and get called a stud. Men don't have to take any personal responsibility when it comes to sport fucking. Which has always been true. The burden of contraception was typically on women. If and when men decided to use condoms. Usually it's women that bear the burden. Dude's just "show up at the door."

And, as I understand it, when women finally had the freedom to have sex without the fear of getting pregnant, men just hated it. What? A women that is willing and actually wants to have sex because she is feeling frisky?

:0

283 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:52:43am

re: #280 Gus

Not once in all my lifetime have I heard a dude utter the words, "man would I like to bang..."

But I forgot. This doesn't count. If you're a dude you can be a whore and get called a stud. Men don't have to take any personal responsibility when it comes to sport fucking. Which has always been true. The burden of contraception was typically on women. If and when men decided to use condoms. Usually it's women that bear the burden. Dude's just "show up at the door."

Well sure. Only women can be sluts and whores! Men can go around fucking everything without having to worry about any lasting consequences (Infections aside). Only we women need to worry about other results.

284 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:52:58am

re: #280 Gus

That is the wonder of Rush's outbursts: they serve to remind us of the true agenda behind all the ultrasound, anti-contraception and "redefining rape" legislation: it is about shaming sluts.

A great American tradition, one even ensconced in American literature....

285 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:53:27am

re: #274 Gus

Some drugs will take your cognitive abilities and toss them out the window for hours if not days.

Which one makes you leave a word out of a sentence?

(Saw it in Spy...)

:)

286 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:54:06am

re: #284 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

That is the wonder of Rush's outbursts: they serve to remind us of the true agenda behind all the ultrasound, anti-contraception and "redefining rape" legislation: it is about shaming sluts.

A great American tradition, one even ensconced in American literature...

Well, it's about controlling women through slut shaming, but close enough.

287 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:54:28am

re: #286 Simply Sarah

Well, it's about controlling women through slut shaming, but close enough.

It's about POWER.

288 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:54:35am

re: #282 ggt

And, as I understand it, when women finally had the freedom to have sex without the fear of getting pregnant, men just hated it. What? A women that is willing and actually wants to have sex because she is feeling frisky?

:0

Fear that she might not want to have sex with you.

289 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:54:58am

re: #287 ggt

It's about POWER.

Yes. That's a nice, clear way of putting it.

290 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:55:02am

re: #285 wrenchwench

Which one makes you leave a word out of a sentence?

(Saw it in Spy...)

:)

Where?! Where?!

//

291 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:57:12am

re: #287 ggt

It's about POWER.

Or ego boosting. The irony being that men that require an ego boost through these means have very low self-esteem to begin with.

292 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:57:15am

re: #289 Simply Sarah

Yes. That's a nice, clear way of putting it.

I put it that way because The Patricians not only want to have power over women, but also they men they perceive as "less" than they. Create a slave/serf class that is dependent on you because they have families with lots of children.

293 BongCrodny  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:58:34am

re: #250 Gus

Five More Advertisers Drop Rush Limbaugh, Bringing Total To 20
By Judd Legum on Mar 6, 2012 at 10:00 am

I like this one:

"As of this past weekend, ALL our #rushlimbaugh commercial spots have been PULLED. We do not support his inexcusable words/beliefs. Thank u."

A lot of them say "suspended" -- my Captain Midnight Decoder Ring translates this to "we'll wait until the shitstorm blows over, then we'll see what happens" -- but this guy pulls no punches.

294 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:58:38am

re: #292 ggt

I put it that way because The Patricians not only want to have power over women, but also they men they perceive as "less" than they. Create a slave/serf class that is dependent on you because they have families with lots of children.

True, true. We cannot get so lost focusing on gender to the point that we ignore all the other angles used to marginalize people.

295 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 7:59:38am

re: #294 Simply Sarah

True, true. We cannot get so lost focusing on gender to the point that we ignore all the other angles used to marginalize people.

Yes, I see this as and Individual Rights issue, not just a Women's rights issue.

296 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:00:40am

re: #295 ggt

Yes, I see this as and Individual Rights issue, not just a Women's rights issue.

Well, individual and group rights. Only looking at one without the other tends to result in both being undermined.

297 sagehen  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:01:49am

re: #283 Simply Sarah

Well sure. Only women can be sluts and whores! Men can go around fucking everything without having to worry about any lasting consequences (Infections aside). Only we women need to worry about other results.

Unless it's Bill Clinton. Only women and Clintons have to face consequences.

298 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:02:00am

re: #296 Simply Sarah

Well, individual and group rights. Only looking at one without the other tends to result in both being undermined.

I always "sway" toward Individual Rights. Just me.

299 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:02:55am

Speaking of egos, low-self esteem and misogyny. Barrett Brown tries to get in on the Sabu act:

Yep. The FBI raided his apartment but left his computer there and whatever other electronic device he had. That's some "FBI raid." The FBI doesn't "raid your apartment" and then hours later you're Tweeting about it.

300 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:04:15am

re: #299 Gus

He might be doing it from his phone, for all we know. If they did raid him or find him, I wonder if he was stupid enough to have heroin on him.

301 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:04:24am

re: #299 Gus

Speaking of egos, low-self esteem and misogyny. Barrett Brown tries to get in on the Sabu act:

Yep. The FBI raided his apartment but left his computer there and whatever other electronic device he had. That's some "FBI raid." The FBI doesn't "raid your apartment."

"The FBI came and I gave them a short tour of the place. They really liked the drapes, but the bathroom tile was the wrong colour and the kitchen was too small."

302 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:05:16am

re: #301 Simply Sarah

"The FBI came and I gave them a short tour of the place. They really liked the drapes, but the bathroom tile was the wrong colour and the kitchen was too small."

What, no expressed interest in what the countertops were made of?!?
(outrage!)

303 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:05:34am

re: #300 Obdicut

He might be doing it from his phone, for all we know. If they did raid him or find him, I wonder if he was stupid enough to have heroin on him.

He's a bullshit artist. A complete fake.

304 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:06:09am

re: #302 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

What, no expressed interest in what the countertops were made of?!?
(outrage!)

Ah, but we all know the FBI always replaces those.
/

305 SpaceJesus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:06:35am
306 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:06:42am

re: #298 ggt

I always "sway" toward Individual Rights. Just me.

Fair enough. I'm just here to be the eternally squeaky wheel.

307 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:07:07am

re: #306 Simply Sarah

Fair enough. I'm just here to be the eternally squeaky wheel.

FINE!

;)

308 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:07:17am

re: #303 Gus

He's a bullshit artist. A complete fake.

C'mon Gus, you know they prefer to be referred to as "Stand-up philosophers".

309 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:10:08am
310 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:12:38am

re: #301 Simply Sarah

"The FBI came and I gave them a short tour of the place. They really liked the drapes, but the bathroom tile was the wrong colour and the kitchen was too small."

They just raided his apartment to make note of his kitchen counter-top material.

//

311 SpaceJesus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:14:27am

re: #305 SpaceJesus

edit: actually it appears to be Leviticus 11:8

312 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:18:36am

re: #300 Obdicut

He might be doing it from his phone, for all we know. If they did raid him or find him, I wonder if he was stupid enough to have heroin on him.

He strikes me as meth kind of guy. Heroin is to artsy for him. Being that he's really a Hillbilly-Emo of sorts. ;)

313 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:22:45am

re: #312 Gus

No, he's admitted to doing heroin. Which is pretty dumb when law enforcement might take a swing at you.

314 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:23:38am
315 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:24:19am

re: #314 DREd

Speaking of transgendered prostitutes, has anyone ever seen a picture of Pam Geller?

Was that too mean to transgendered prostitutes?

Absolutely, What have transgendered prostitutes ever done to you? (that you didn't want them to)

:0

316 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:24:26am

re: #313 Obdicut

No, he's admitted to doing heroin. Which is pretty dumb when law enforcement might take a swing at you.

Ah. OK. Didn't know that. He's just an immature goofball. How old is he anyway? And as a reminder to people he got his ass banned from LGF and stormed off to "Dead Louse" and hung out there for a couple of months. Derp.

317 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:25:22am

re: #314 DREd

Speaking of transgendered prostitutes, has anyone ever seen a picture of Pam Geller?

Was that too mean to transgendered prostitutes?

Not cool, man. Not cool at all.

318 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:27:00am

re: #316 Gus

Ah. OK. Didn't know that. He's just an immature goofball. How old is he anyway? And as a reminder to people he got his ass banned from LGF and stormed off to "Dead Louse" and hung out there for a couple of months. Derp.

I remember his first couple of posts on LGF. He made a big deal of being big buds with Charles and exuded attitude "I'm Barret Brown, yes, that Barret Brown, I put my pants on one leg at a time, except once my pants are on, I make gold records."

319 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:28:44am

re: #318 I'll be taking these Huggies...

I remember his first couple of posts on LGF. He made a big deal of being big buds with Charles and exuded attitude "I'm Barret Brown, yes, that Barret Brown, I put my pants on one leg at a time, except once my pants are on, I make gold records."

His presence here was one extremely weird scene. I liked what he had to say about RS McCain but it all came to a quick halt after that. He got seriously freaky, creepy, after that.

320 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:29:31am

"Quick halt" that is.

321 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:30:31am

Pssst. Rush is starting to lose stations, not just advertisers, one so far

322 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:31:20am

re: #316 Gus

Ah. OK. Didn't know that. He's just an immature goofball. How old is he anyway? And as a reminder to people he got his ass banned from LGF and stormed off to "Dead Louse" and hung out there for a couple of months. Derp.

Trademark of the attention seeking twit.

323 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:33:11am

re: #322 Jimmah

Trademark of the attention seeking twit.

He's obviously a daddy's boy. Or has some kind of strange relationship with what seems to be affluent parents. He's made allusions to such things in his long Youtube rants. Of course those were big clues in themselves. Especially that strange video of his confrontation with his girlfriend?

324 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:33:46am

re: #318 I'll be taking these Huggies...

He wrote some really great things, but went down a pretty stridently anarchic path that made his reasoning, and writing, get more and more brittle.

325 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:34:37am

Ah. Here it is. The infamous Barrett Brown being an asshole to his girlfriend video:

This video has been removed as a violation of YouTube's policy prohibiting content designed to harass, bully or threaten.
Sorry about that.

326 makeitstop  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:35:32am

re: #321 Daniel Ballard

Pssst. Rush is starting to lose stations, not just advertisers, one so far

And that is key. Clear Channel can pick up the tab to a point with advertising. But I know that (at least back when I was working in syndication) Limbaugh's show was offered as part of a package deal with other shows to a lot of stations.

If those dominos start falling, EIB could crumble like old pizza dough. That's the aspect that I'm watching most closely.

327 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:35:55am
328 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:36:22am

re: #206 thedopefishlives

It's right up there with Judy Wood's death ray beam from outer space. I've also heard tell of someone proposing a theory involving highly modified attack baboons.

Those would have to be some highly modified attack baboons indeed.

329 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:38:04am

re: #327 Gus

Barrett Brown's Will

Psycho.

Bizarre!

330 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:39:14am

re: #323 Gus

He's obviously a daddy's boy. Or has some kind of strange relationship with what seems to be affluent parents. He's made allusions to such things in his long Youtube rants. Of course those were big clues in themselves. Especially that strange video of his confrontation with his girlfriend?

Haven't seen it but it seems typical of him to do something like that. I think he has a touch of the Jesus complex about him.

331 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:39:16am

re: #329 ggt

Bizarre!

Very. He's a crackpot.

332 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:39:49am

re: #328 SanFranciscoZionist

At what point does the modified baboon cease to be a baboon?

I could slap a baboon's ass on a 747.

333 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:40:00am

Have we had out quota of cuteness today?

334 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:40:22am

re: #325 Gus

Ah. Here it is. The infamous Barrett Brown being an asshole to his girlfriend video:

This video has been removed as a violation of YouTube's policy prohibiting content designed to harass, bully or threaten.

That kinda says it all.

335 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:41:16am

re: #332 Obdicut

At what point does the modified baboon cease to be a baboon?

I could slap a baboons ass on a 747.

I have a mental image of Obdi smacking the ass of a baboon onboard a 747.
//

336 b_sharp  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:41:21am

re: #328 SanFranciscoZionist

Those would have to be some highly modified attack baboons indeed.

I don't of any attack baboons, but I do know of an attack gerbil, otherwise known as Casey Luskin.

337 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:41:47am

re: #336 b_sharp

Go for the eyes, Boo!

338 b_sharp  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:42:04am

re: #332 Obdicut

At what point does the modified baboon cease to be a baboon?

I could slap a baboons ass on a 747.

Why are you slapping a baboon's ass?

339 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:42:33am

re: #338 b_sharp

Why are you slapping a baboon's ass?

Science, I think.

340 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:42:37am
341 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:43:17am

re: #336 b_sharp

I don't of any attack baboons, but I do know of an attack gerbil, otherwise known as Casey Luskin.

As long as the Hamsters don't revolt, we will be fine.

(anyone fed them lately?)

342 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:43:22am

re: #334 Jimmah

That kinda says it all.

Exactly. Saw that and I thought "now people don't have to stomach through this video." Yep. Removed for harassment, bullying, etc. Oh yeah. Real "progressive" of him. He's not even a prog. He's yet another chauvinistic WASP libertarian in a progressive suit. Kind of like Greenwald but with serious brain damage. Barrett Brown, the AmazingAnonymous!

344 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:44:16am

re: #342 Gus

Exactly. Saw that and I thought "now people don't have to stomach through this video." Yep. Removed for harassment, bullying, etc. Oh yeah. Real "progressive" of him. He's not even a prog. He's yet another chauvinistic WASP libertarian in a progressive suit. Kind of like Greenwald but with serious brain damage. Barrett Brown, the AmazingAnonymous!

I think he's technically an anarchist.

345 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:44:55am

re: #344 Killgore Trout

I think he's technically an anarchist.

I don't understand anarchists.

Is there a definite definition, or do they just do what they want on an individual basis?

346 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:45:14am

re: #344 Killgore Trout

I think he's technically an anarchist.

An anarchist with a Chase Bank account. Yeah, I remember. But anarchists are cousins to libertarians.

347 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:45:25am

re: #334 Jimmah

I have never seen that warning before on Youtube.

348 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:47:24am

re: #347 ProGunLiberal

I have, normally when some pissed off boyfriend is threatening to beat up some girl.

349 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:47:26am

From the Wiki:

Anarchism is generally defined as the political philosophy which holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, and harmful,[1][2] or alternatively as opposing authority and hierarchical organization in the conduct of human relations.[3][4][5][6][7][8] Proponents of anarchism, known as "anarchists", advocate stateless societies based on non-hierarchical[3][9][10] voluntary associations.[11][12]

There are many types and traditions of anarchism, not all of which are mutually exclusive.[13] Anarchist schools of thought can differ fundamentally, supporting anything from extreme individualism to complete collectivism.[2] Strains of anarchism have been divided into the categories of social and individualist anarchism or similar dual classifications.[14][15] Anarchism is often considered to be a radical left-wing ideology,[16][17] and much of anarchist economics and anarchist legal philosophy reflect anti-statist interpretations of communism, collectivism, syndicalism or participatory economics. However, anarchism has always included an individualist strain supporting a market economy and private property, or morally unrestrained egoism.[18][19][20] Some individualist anarchists are also socialists or communists[21][22] while some anarcho-communists are also individualists.[23][24]

Ok, well, that really helps.

Sounds more like a "spoiled brat" syndrome of some sort.

351 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:47:57am

re: #344 Killgore Trout

I think he's technically an anarchistocrat.

There, that's better.

352 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:48:38am

re: #348 Obdicut

Yeesh, that's nasty. What a creep. Hope the girl has a restraining order.

353 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:48:56am

re: #342 Gus

Oh yeah. Real "progressive" of him. He's not even a prog. He's yet another chauvinistic WASP libertarian in a progressive suit.

I've seen a few fake progressives drop the mask over their attitude towards women.

354 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:51:12am

re: #345 ggt

I don't understand anarchists.

Is there a definite definition, or do they just do what they want on an individual basis?

There is a loose definition and some philosophical basis. But mostly they're like American "Libertarians" who don't really have much relationship to libertarian philosophy. They're just sort of generic nuts.

355 b_sharp  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:51:47am

Typical, I write a comment here, and my phone starts ringing off the hook.

The attack gerbil probably made a get-away while I was busy.

356 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:52:24am

re: #353 Jimmah

I've seen a few fake progressives drop the mask over their attitude towards women.

That's usually the first mask to drop. The others are the obvious ones like racism, homophobia, transphobia, etc. It's mix and match too. Since you can have people who are in defined minorities that are also bigots. The obvious one being that, yes, there are gay bigots out there.

357 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:53:17am

re: #342 Gus

He may be all that, but is there evidence that he is a chauvinist?

358 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:53:51am

re: #350 Gus

People who use 'faggot' as an insult are lazy.

359 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:53:51am

re: #356 Gus

yes, there are gay bigots out there.

Yes, a college buddy of mine came out of the closet as both gay and Republican.

360 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:55:30am

re: #357 Saint Putin on a Toast

He may be all that, but is there evidence that he is a chauvinist?

Perhaps as rhetorical question. I've learned to trust my own instincts which I won't impose on others. Works for me. It's sort of like detecting a troll after the first comment. ;)

361 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:55:53am

re: #358 Obdicut

People who use 'faggot' as an insult are lazy.

Right. Didn't Barrett do that?

362 SpaceJesus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:56:08am

Have the Zetas killed BB like he said they would yet?

363 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:56:33am

re: #361 Gus

Right. Didn't Barrett do that?

Yep.

364 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:56:54am

re: #362 SpaceJesus

Have the Zetas killed BB like he said they would yet?

Nah. He's probably hanging out in some Lower East Side bakery right now having coffee and posting on Twitter.

365 b_sharp  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:57:13am

re: #358 Obdicut

People who use 'faggot' as an insult are lazy.

And at least a little ignorant, insensitive, self-involved, narcissistic, and unimaginative.

366 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:57:32am

re: #360 Gus

OK.

367 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:57:48am

re: #366 Saint Putin on a Toast

OK.

[Dobro slide.]

368 erik_t  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:57:49am
Santorum: Single Moms Are "Breeding More Criminals"

At least he's not wasting time attempting to look like a compassionate conservative.

369 b_sharp  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:57:52am

re: #359 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Yes, a college buddy of mine came out of the closet as both gay and Republican.

Was the cognitive dissonance deafening?

370 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:58:34am

re: #368 erik_t

At least he's not wasting time attempting to look like a compassionate conservative.

So, he is advocating contraception with this statement?

WTF

371 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 8:58:42am

re: #364 Gus

Nah. He's probably hanging out in some Lower East Side bakery right now having coffee and posting on Twitter.

If he is doing it ironically, he could be a male-chauvinistic libertarian-anarchist hipster.
//

372 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:00:11am

To sum up: no evidence of Brown's chauvinism; no evidence of him being an asshole to his girlfriend. Yet many accusations to this effect here. I suggest we actually stick to facts instead of going off on people on no evidence.

373 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:00:25am

Well, I need to be productive.

NO EXCUSES!

Have a great day all!

374 erik_t  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:00:45am

re: #370 ggt

So, he is advocating contraception with this statement?

WTF

No, he's saying that (quoting the article) the solution to poverty, crime, and moral decay, he insisted, was to turn off the money spigots. "We have programs right now that pay children to have children."

Obviously teen pregnancy is a problem because it's just so fucking lucrative.

375 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:01:07am

re: #372 Saint Putin on a Toast

To sum up: no evidence of Brown's chauvinism; no evidence of him being an asshole to his girlfriend. Yet many accusations to this effect here. I suggest we actually stick to facts instead of going off on people on no evidence.

FTAF!!1

//

376 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:01:15am

re: #372 Saint Putin on a Toast

To sum up: no evidence of Brown's chauvinism; no evidence of him being an asshole to his girlfriend. Yet many accusations to this effect here. I suggest we actually stick to facts instead of going off on people on no evidence.

Uh, I saw that video. He was an asshole to his girlfriend. They even removed that video from Youtube because he was an asshole to his girlfriend.

377 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:01:58am

re: #376 Gus

Uh, I saw that video. He was an asshole to his girlfriend. They even removed that video from Youtube because he was an asshole to his girlfriend.

Plus it is unconfirmed that he may be a hipster.
//

378 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:02:02am

re: #376 Gus

Uh, I saw that video. He was an asshole to his girlfriend. They even removed that video from Youtube because he was an asshole to his girlfriend.

He was an asshole to his girlfriend's male roommate. A different thing altogether.

379 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:02:05am

re: #358 Obdicut

People who use 'faggot' as an insult are lazy.

That was the famous response from Byelorussia's Lukashenko in response to criticism from Germany's openly gay Foreign Minister, Guido Westerwelle: "Better a dictator than gay!"

380 erik_t  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:02:34am

re: #358 Obdicut

People who use 'faggot' as an insult are lazy.

Or they really hate bundles of sticks.

381 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:03:20am

re: #379 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Wow, he really said that.

[Link: thelede.blogs.nytimes.com...]

382 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:03:26am

Why I don’t celebrate the left’s current victories over Rush.

I live in a red state where many people listen to him and respect his opinions. Even people who don’t listen to him defend his right to say what he says on the radio. They see it as a free speech issue. “Come on, it’s just Rush being Rush.” They also see the current assault against Rush as confirming their view that the left is against free speech and wants to shut the voices of the right down on the radio and anywhere else they can.
....
We see that issue here on this site at times. We try to destroy those who have views that differ with ours. But we are supposed to be in the same political party. The politics of personal destruction limit the ability of Congress to do its work and they, in turn, affect us at the local level and in the communities we participate in. The problem, as I see it, is that it limits our ability make lasting change in our communities.

383 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:03:29am

re: #378 Saint Putin on a Toast

He was an asshole to his girlfriend's male roommate. A different thing altogether.

I'm not going to argue with you about this. This isn't some kind of high philosophical question. Just because you didn't see it that does not mean it's a valid conclusion. The world doesn't need your seal of approval.

384 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:04:16am
385 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:04:41am

re: #383 Gus

I'm not going to argue with you about this. This isn't some kind of high philosophical question. Just because you didn't see it that does not mean it's a valid conclusion. The world doesn't need your seal of approval.

I've actually seen the video.
Describe the way in which Brown was an asshole to his girlfriend.

386 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:04:42am

re: #382 Killgore Trout

Why I don’t celebrate the left’s current victories over Rush.

So, why exactly is calling for civility and honesty on the radio a bad thing?

387 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:04:56am

re: #382 Killgore Trout

Why I don’t celebrate the left’s current victories over Rush.

Free speech is a two way street.

388 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:05:13am

re: #385 Saint Putin on a Toast

I've actually seen the video.
Describe a way in which Brown was an asshole to his girlfriend.

Not going to play Socratic bingo with you on this.

389 iossarian  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:05:25am

re: #386 Targetpractice

So, why exactly is calling for civility and honesty on the radio a bad thing?

As far as I can make out it's because of whiny conservatives with a persecution complex.

390 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:05:37am

re: #388 Gus

Not going to play Socratic bingo with you on this.

That was a fast fold.

391 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:05:47am

re: #382 Killgore Trout

The politics of personal-- and generalized-- destruction are what Rush practices, though. I don't know why it's so hard for a lot of people to grasp that. It's this passive, one-way view of free speech.

I realize a lot of idiots think that the thing with Rush is a free speech issue. It's not, any more than most publishers not publishing racist screeds isn't.

392 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:05:53am

re: #369 b_sharp

Was the cognitive dissonance deafening?

His parents were totally radical 60's college professors. He had to rebel against them by being conservative. He was always uniquely idiosyncratic, even by the standards of my circle of friends. Never hit it off with any girls, although he dated a lot.

Republicans could have a lot of appeal to gays: they do not raise families as often as their straight counterparts, hence they have more time to devote to their careers and income enhancement.

And they are generally less interested in traditional tax breaks like buying a house in a neighborhood with good schools, so they are more open to other Republican low-tax policies.

But they are an abdomination unto the Lord and the Republicans must make our country right with God if we are to prosper.

393 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:06:10am

re: #390 Saint Putin on a Toast

That was a fast fold.

Yes. I folded. You won.

//

394 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:06:29am

re: #387 Varek Raith

Free speech is a two way street.

Free speech is a roundabout.

395 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:07:01am

re: #393 Gus

Yes. I folded. You won.

//

For me it's about facts. I don't know what it is for you. Maybe Brown is your OWS, dunno.

396 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:07:03am

re: #394 wrenchwench

Free speech is a roundabout.

Those things are of Satan.

397 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:07:13am

re: #386 Targetpractice

So, why exactly is calling for civility and honesty on the radio a bad thing?

Read the dude's story. I didn't excerpt enough but he's working in a rural Republican area to set up a homeless shelter. The perceived persecution makes it more difficult for him to work constructively with others in his community.

398 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:07:17am

re: #388 Gus

He wasn't explicitly an asshole to his girlfriend in that video, though he might have embarrassed her by it, which would be assholish. He was an asshole to that guy, and used 'faggot' as an insult, and then goddamn posted the video, which is enormously douchey.

I haven't actually read a lot of his stuff and I've never seen any particular chauvinism.

399 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:07:56am

re: #386 Targetpractice

So, why exactly is calling for civility and honesty on the radio a bad thing?

As long as he has enough of a target audience, he will find advertisers. As long as he can sell advertising time, he will continue to broadcast.

i am just glad that Rush really brought out the agenda that is behind all the current anti abortion/contraception legislation: slut-shaming and controlling women's choices.

400 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:08:05am

re: #382 Killgore Trout

Why I don’t celebrate the left’s current victories over Rush.

What do you want people to do? We're trying to fight free speech with free speech. I thought that was how we were supposed to do it? Are you suggesting we just sit here and take it? If so, well, I'm going to avoid stating my response to that, since even I sometimes need to act like a proper lady. /

401 makeitstop  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:08:08am

re: #382 Killgore Trout

Why I don’t celebrate the left’s current victories over Rush.

Yeah, but it's on Daily Kos. Can't take them seriously because they're all rapey-stabby.

///

402 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:08:18am

re: #395 Saint Putin on a Toast

For me it's about facts. I don't know what it is for you. Maybe Brown is your OWS, dunno.

Oh brother. Yeah, Brown is my OWS. Derp.

403 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:08:28am

This is too short to be Page worthy, as yet.

Immigrant files claim against Pinal sheriff

PHOENIX - A Mexican immigrant who had a romantic relationship with Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu has filed a $1 million notice of claim against the sheriff and the county.

Sheriff's officials said the precursor to a lawsuit was received by their office Monday, but they declined further comment. Last month, Babeu announced that he's gay and once had a relationship with Jose Orozco while the immigrant was a campaign volunteer.

Orozco has accused Babeu of threatening to deport him if he revealed their relationship. Babeu has denied any wrongdoing and has asked for an independent investigation into the matter.

404 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:08:48am

re: #374 erik_t

No, he's saying that (quoting the article) the solution to poverty, crime, and moral decay, he insisted, was to turn off the money spigots. "We have programs right now that pay children to have children."

Obviously teen pregnancy is a problem because it's just so fucking lucrative.

That's just using one of the classic "welfare queen" dog whistles.

405 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:09:06am

re: #397 Killgore Trout

He'd probably find it even easier to work there if he agreed with what Rush was saying, too.

That's another part of your 'just turn the channel' bit that doesn't work, by the way; the amount that media is played in public spaces, where you can't turn the channel.

Have you ever come up with an explanation why it's okay to stop buying a product because you don't like who they advertise with, but it's wrong to tell them that?

406 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:09:11am

*shrug*

407 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:09:21am

re: #397 Killgore Trout

Read the dude's story. I didn't excerpt enough but he's working in a rural Republican area to set up a homeless shelter. The perceived persecution makes it more difficult for him to work constructively with others in his community.

So, because they've got a victim complex going on, Rush is supposed to get a pass for his disgusting attacks on a woman who did nothing to warrant them?

408 erik_t  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:09:29am

re: #397 Killgore Trout

Read the dude's story. I didn't excerpt enough but he's working in a rural Republican area to set up a homeless shelter. The perceived persecution makes it more difficult for him to work constructively with others in his community.

And the Little Rock Nine had a very distracting and unproductive day of school.

Good and important things can have negative side effects, film at 11.

409 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:09:38am

re: #394 wrenchwench

Free speech is a roundabout.

That would explain a lot, really.
/

410 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:09:41am

re: #406 Saint Putin on a Toast

*shrug*

On a toast.

411 Sionainn  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:09:47am

Rush is right now claiming that there is no "war on women."

412 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:10:16am

*Ego*

413 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:10:20am

re: #404 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

That's just using one of the classic "welfare queen" dog whistles.

Combined with the 'poor people are criminals' siren.

414 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:11:04am

re: #397 Killgore Trout

Read the dude's story. I didn't excerpt enough but he's working in a rural Republican area to set up a homeless shelter. The perceived persecution makes it more difficult for him to work constructively with others in his community.

Aww, that's so sad. And what about the real persecution that non-men, non-whites, non-heterosexual, non-cis, non-able bodied, non-upper class, etc. people have to deal with every day? What about that?

415 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:11:12am

*last word*

416 iossarian  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:11:32am

There has been far too much toleration, on the part of progressives, of the hateful, not to mention irrational and anti-science, propaganda that the right wing has been pushing for the past 10 years at least, on the grounds that if we call them out on it, people might clutch their pearls and get all upset.

Once again, we are not talking about making speech illegal (though there is certainly a reasonable debate to be had over whether some speech, in some circumstances, should be illegal, that is not the debate here).

What we are talking about is standing up and saying: these attitudes are irresponsible and morally reprehensible, and if you express them through speech then we will take steps to oppose you and your position.

And if that gets the stupid fuckers who vote for Republicans to strip-mine this country and screw over the vast majority of the population in favor of a handful of selfish bastards into a lather, then I have the following last words for them:

WAKE THE FUCK UP AND GET WITH THE FUCKING PROGRAM.

417 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:11:37am

OK, I gotta use some of this energy on the broken bikes.

bbl

on a toast

418 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:11:51am

re: #412 Gus

*Ego*

419 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:12:37am

*Cheeseburgers*

420 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:12:54am

**

422 William of Orange  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:13:56am

Strange thing is, that if the article by Geller came from the Onion Network it would be actually funny.

423 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:14:22am

re: #308 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

C'mon Gus, you know they prefer to be referred to as "Stand-up philosophers".

Did you bullshit this week? Did you try to bullshit this week?

424 b_sharp  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:14:22am

re: #387 Varek Raith

Free speech is a two way street.

Free speech is about saying what you want against the government without having to worry about being arrested, it's not about being able to say what you want without consequences, especially the consequence of others exercising their right to free speech by criticizing your words, or pulling their advertising.

425 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:14:35am

re: #327 Gus

Barrett Brown's Will

Psycho.

Ten villages in East Africa, preferably Tanzania, are to be chosen with the intent of each village being similar in population and standard of living. The money will be divided into ten parts. A contest will be held whereby would-be participants will provide a 1,000-word treatise

The privilege is strong in this one.

426 Sionainn  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:14:40am

re: #382 Killgore Trout

Why I don’t celebrate the left’s current victories over Rush.

What good deeds has Rush ever done?

427 jamesfirecat  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:14:55am

re: #382 Killgore Trout

Why I don’t celebrate the left’s current victories over Rush.

Why do people keep confusing the right to free speech with the right to have a major platform (radio show, cable show, writer in a magazine) from which to spread this speech?

428 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:15:39am

re: #425 Jimmah

Why?

429 erik_t  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:15:51am

re: #427 jamesfirecat

Why do people keep confusing the right to free speech with the right to have a major platform (radio show, cable show, writer in a magazine) from which to spread this speech?

More than that, the right to be paid to spread this speech. If Rush wants to purchase his own advertising space, and buy his own radio stations in Hawaii and wherever that other one was, he is absolutely free to do so.

430 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:16:03am

re: #425 Jimmah

The privilege is strong in this one.

I guess that means 10 villages will each get one-dollar upon his death.

//

431 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:17:10am

Thing is, I don't see this as Rush being "bullied" or his freedom of speech "infringed," I see it as people forcing Rush to do what he preaches about all the time, even stated was his reason for the initial attack on Fluke: Personal responsibility. Rush has to take responsibility for his words, has to make amends, before this goes away. If he doesn't, then anything that happens to him is of his own making.

432 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:17:22am

re: #429 erik_t

More than that, the right to be paid to spread this speech. If Rush wants to purchase his own advertising space, and buy his own radio stations in Hawaii and wherever that other one was, he is absolutely free to do so.

Yeah, hold on a second. I should be getting paid millions to talk out of my ass for 3 hours a day at millions of people, too. What the hell, it's entirely unfair that this hasn't already happened for me!
/

433 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:17:51am

So-crates on a shingle.

//

434 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:17:57am

re: #400 Simply Sarah

Are you suggesting we just sit here and take it?

yes.

435 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:18:19am

Argh.

436 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:18:25am

re: #434 Killgore Trout

yes.

Too bad.

437 makeitstop  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:18:31am

I never thought I'd see Limbaugh taking a beating like the one he's getting this week.

This makes me happy. I may celebrate by tuning him in when I head out to do errands, just to hear him whine.

438 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:18:53am

re: #435 Gus

Argh.

We be needin' more rum!

439 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:19:01am

Let's get some things straight here OK. For accuracy. Killgore Trout is "my OWS."

//

440 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:19:08am

re: #435 Gus

Argh.

Talk like a pirate day isn't until September.

441 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:19:24am

re: #416 iossarian

The Republican Party has offered itself as such a welcome platform for such speech that they have come to take over the discussion at that end.

442 bratwurst  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:19:27am

re: #387 Varek Raith

Free speech is a two way street.

Why some people here and elsewhere struggle so mightily with this fact is beyond me.

443 erik_t  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:20:06am

Next time I feel outrageously outraged by something Occupy Whatever says, I'll bear in mind that they have every right to babble about whatever dumbshit thing and just sit there and take it, or just change the channel, or whatever other idiotic position we're advancing today.

444 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:20:35am

re: #434 Killgore Trout

yes.

So, if you disagree with people's politics, you don't pay attention to them or bring attention to them, you don't call for them to be disrupted, and you just wait until they do or say something that loses them support. Am I hearing you right?

445 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:20:46am

Sooner or later we reach a point where if we're agnostic about everything we wind up taking a stand on nothing.

This outta open up another can of worms.

//Jumps into foxhole!

//

446 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:21:20am

re: #428 Saint Putin on a Toast

Why?

The obviously delusional aspect aside, I don't think he takes Africa very seriously if he thinks it's fit to be bought for his dumb self aggrandizing experiments. I think Africa's had enough of that sort of thing.

447 Sionainn  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:21:27am

re: #434 Killgore Trout

yes.

I will always speak out against hateful people like Rush, always. I will not sit back and "take it."

448 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:21:31am

re: #445 Gus

Sooner or later we reach a point where if we're agnostic about everything we wind up taking a stand on nothing.

This outta open up another can of worms.

//Jumps into foxhole!

//

449 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:21:35am

re: #445 Gus

Sooner or later we reach a point where if we're agnostic about everything we wind up taking a stand on nothing.

This outta open up another can of worms.

//Jumps into foxhole!

//

Head first.

450 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:21:49am

Limbaugh's advertisers rushing for the exit. Tally now up to 20+.

Seven companies were on record Tuesday, saying they were yanking their ads from Limbaugh's show because he called a Georgetown University law student "a slut" last week.

The companies were makeup brand Bare Escentuals, Sensa Weight Loss program, online vitamin retailer Vitacost, AccuQuote Life Insurance, telecom firm Polycom, Hadeed Carpet and Thompson Creek Windows.

Three others, Sears, Allstate and home improvement website ServiceMagic, said Monday their ads aired on Limbaugh's show by mistake, and were taking steps to make sure the ads didn't run again, according to The Chicago Tribune and a statement on ServiceMagic's Facebook page.

They join at least ten other companies, including Internet giant AOL, who said they were pulling their support from the conservative shock jock’s show before Monday’s show — his first since apologizing to 30-year-old Sandra Fluke on Saturday.

In addition to the advertisers, two radio stations — WBEC in Pittsfield, Massachusetts and KPUA in Hilo, Hawaii — said they were pulling the plug on the bombastic radio man's show.

Rush was claiming that the companies were profiting from their relationship with him - and that part is true, but he was getting rich from the plethora of sponsors/advertisers, and if enough companies look elsewhere, his gravy train may come screeching to a halt.

451 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:22:10am

re: #446 Jimmah

That there is. I was just wondering why you bolded Tanzania specifically :)

452 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:22:55am

re: #444 Targetpractice

So, if you disagree with people's politics, you don't pay attention to them or bring attention to them, you don't call for them to be disrupted, and you just wait until they do or say something that loses them support. Am I hearing you right?

I'm all for speaking out and criticizing ideas I disagree with. I'm not in favor of getting people fired or getting someone's show cancelled because they offended me.

453 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:23:18am

re: #452 Killgore Trout

I'm all for speaking out and criticizing ideas I disagree with. I'm not in favor of getting people fired or getting someone's show cancelled because they offended me.

Helen Thomas?

454 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:23:44am

re: #434 Killgore Trout

yes.

Well guess what? I won't. I and every other woman have been "just taking it" for far too fucking long. We've taken it as men pushed back against us in the workforce. We've taken it as abortion rights have been rolled back. We've taken it as we've had our sexualities consistently regulated to secondary status, with our only purpose being to make babies. And now you want us to just take it as we get called sluts and prostitutes? As our health is tossed away to placate screwed up religious morals? No. Just fucking no.

The only way women (or any other group) have ever made any progress has been when we stand up, speak, and refuse to just take it. If you're telling us to sit down and shut up, then I have no more time for you and your oppression enabling. I'm going to speak and I'm going to do it loudly.

455 b_sharp  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:24:10am

re: #394 wrenchwench

Free speech is a roundabout.

Roundabout.

456 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:24:31am

re: #452 Killgore Trout

So, again, why isn't it okay to tell the advertiser why you're not going to buy their products?

What if they call you and ask you? Should you say "Mu" as a single lotus flower drifts by?

457 iossarian  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:24:33am

re: #454 Simply Sarah

Well guess what? I won't. I and every other woman have been "just taking it" for far too fucking long. We've taken it as men pushed back against us in the workforce. We've taken it as abortion rights have been rolled back. We've taken it as we've had our sexualities consistently regulated to secondary status, with our only purpose being to make babies. And now you want us to just take it as we get called sluts and prostitutes? As our health is tossed away to placate screwed up religious morals? No. Just fucking no.

The only way women (or any other group) have ever made any progress has been when we stand up, speak, and refuse to just take it. If you're telling us to sit down and shut up, then I have no more time for you and your oppression enabling. I'm going to speak and I'm going to do it loudly.

WORD

458 makeitstop  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:24:44am

re: #454 Simply Sarah

Well guess what? I won't. I and every other woman have been "just taking it" for far too fucking long. We've taken it as men pushed back against us in the workforce. We've taken it as abortion rights have been rolled back. We've taken it as we've had our sexualities consistently regulated to secondary status, with our only purpose being to make babies. And now you want us to just take it as we get called sluts and prostitutes? As our health is tossed away to placate screwed up religious morals? No. Just fucking no.

The only way women (or any other group) have ever made any progress has been when we stand up, speak, and refuse to just take it. If you're telling us to sit down and shut up, then I have no more time for you and your oppression enabling. I'm going to speak and I'm going to do it loudly.

[Stands, applauds.]

459 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:24:51am

re: #445 Gus

Sooner or later we reach a point where if we're agnostic about everything we wind up taking a stand on nothing.

This outta open up another can of worms.

//Jumps into foxhole!

//

Yeah how do we know the Nazis were bad? This kind of absolutism reeks of the very same authoritarian attitudes we are supposed to oppose!/

460 Sionainn  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:24:51am

re: #454 Simply Sarah

Well guess what? I won't. I and every other woman have been "just taking it" for far too fucking long. We've taken it as men pushed back against us in the workforce. We've taken it as abortion rights have been rolled back. We've taken it as we've had our sexualities consistently regulated to secondary status, with our only purpose being to make babies. And now you want us to just take it as we get called sluts and prostitutes? As our health is tossed away to placate screwed up religious morals? No. Just fucking no.

The only way women (or any other group) have ever made any progress has been when we stand up, speak, and refuse to just take it. If you're telling us to sit down and shut up, then I have no more time for you and your oppression enabling. I'm going to speak and I'm going to do it loudly.

*stands up and cheers*

461 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:24:54am

re: #452 Killgore Trout

I'm all for speaking out and criticizing ideas I disagree with. I'm not in favor of getting people fired or getting someone's show cancelled because they offended me.

Then that's all we're doing, we're speaking out against it, we're just speaking to the companies that we view are supporting it with their ad dollars. To paraphrase Obdi's question, why is it only bad in your opinion if voice our refusal to buy from Rush's sponsors, but not if we quietly walk away?

462 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:25:08am

re: #453 Gus

Helen Thomas?

Her employers decided to fire her to protect their reputation. I don't recall an advertiser boycott being part of their decision.

463 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:25:20am

re: #456 Obdicut

So, again, why isn't it okay to tell the advertiser why you're not going to buy their products?

What if they call you and ask you? Should you say "Mu" as a single lotus flower drifts by?

Lol.

464 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:25:42am

re: #454 Simply Sarah

Well guess what? I won't. I and every other woman have been "just taking it" for far too fucking long. We've taken it as men pushed back against us in the workforce. We've taken it as abortion rights have been rolled back. We've taken it as we've had our sexualities consistently regulated to secondary status, with our only purpose being to make babies. And now you want us to just take it as we get called sluts and prostitutes? As our health is tossed away to placate screwed up religious morals? No. Just fucking no.

The only way women (or any other group) have ever made any progress has been when we stand up, speak, and refuse to just take it. If you're telling us to sit down and shut up, then I have no more time for you and your oppression enabling. I'm going to speak and I'm going to do it loudly.

Preach it, sista!

465 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:26:45am

re: #455 b_sharp

It's a long distance runaround...

466 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:27:02am

re: #462 Killgore Trout

Her employers decided to fire her to protect their reputation. I don't recall an advertiser boycott being part of their decision.

But is it bad that they fired her? Doesn't that hollow out the principle of the free speech? //

467 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:27:06am

Oh noes, my irony meter!

468 erik_t  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:27:19am

re: #452 Killgore Trout

I'm all for speaking out and criticizing ideas I disagree with. I'm not in favor of getting people fired or getting someone's show cancelled because they offended me.

Rush Limbaugh's entire job is to make people want to listen to him by saying things that those people find pleasant to hear. If he is saying things that people no longer find pleasant to hear, then he is failing at his job and perhaps should no longer have that job.

I mean, that's how jobs work.

469 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:27:32am

re: #462 Killgore Trout

Her employers decided to fire her to protect their reputation. I don't recall an advertiser boycott being part of their decision.

Advertiser boycotts is a form of speech as well. No? People are free to associate, form groups, organize collective actions. Otherwise then you're almost arguing against collective bargaining and unions.

"Workers should just take their working conditions and accept it." Yes? If not than they should "change the channel" and find a job somewhere else. No?

470 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:28:09am

re: #450 lawhawk

Limbaugh's advertisers rushing for the exit. Tally now up to 20+.

Rush was claiming that the companies were profiting from their relationship with him - and that part is true, but he was getting rich from the plethora of sponsors/advertisers, and if enough companies look elsewhere, his gravy train may come screeching to a halt.

To an extent he was right: the companies would not be buying advertising time from him unless they thought that it brought them benefits.

Glenn Beck was not as well established as Rush but look how quickly he fell into near-oblivion

471 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:28:29am

re: #452 Killgore Trout

I'm all for speaking out and criticizing ideas I disagree with. I'm not in favor of getting people fired or getting someone's show cancelled because they offended me.

Unless it's OWS related then they need pepper spray & a ticket to gitmo, eh?

472 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:28:40am

re: #382 Killgore Trout

Why I don’t celebrate the left’s current victories over Rush.

I'ma rant now.

Sorry, but this I will not buy. Getting on a commercial radio show and calling a woman a slut and a whore in graphic giggling detail over a period of several days is not a 'free speech' issue, it is an open call for advertisers not to sink their money with the reputation of such a man.

I also don't care if anyone sees this as 'proof' that liberals like Sleep Train are against free speech. I will be happy to discuss the matter with them. Sleep Train, I presume, is doing this because they do not want to lose business, a concern that suggests that more than just us whiny liberals are bothered by Rush's crap. Free market, baby. If Rush will no longer sell mattresses, he is not useful to these people.

I also wonder to what extent these neighbors from a red state who respect Rush's opinion (classic stock characters, BTW), support groups who put pressure on, say, JC Penney's, not to have Ellen represent them, or to pull indecent content from shows. Are they upset about such things? Because I am upset about Rush Limbaugh and his vicious, lying potty-mouth. What would these red-state neighbors have to say if Jon Stewart went on a days-long rampage against a young woman they identified with, calling her a whore? Would it be a free speech issue then? Hell, no, it wouldn't, and I would actually boycott Stewart. (I can't actually boycott Rush, I already avoid him like the plague.)

Rush is a commercial product. If his advertisers don't want to be associated with him, there is no rule they have to be.

This person's probably mythical neighbors need to get a clue.

473 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:29:18am

re: #462 Killgore Trout

Her employers decided to fire her to protect their reputation. I don't recall an advertiser boycott being part of their decision.

Yes. An advertisers are leaving Rush to protect their reputations. Corporations, being what they are, really won't know the damage being done to their names without some input from consumers.

474 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:29:39am

re: #452 Killgore Trout

I'm all for speaking out and criticizing ideas I disagree with. I'm not in favor of getting people fired or getting someone's show cancelled because they offended me.

This isn't about someone simply being 'offensive'. This is about someone defaming and slandering a young woman for no reason other than speaking her mind. This is about someone attacking said woman in an attempt to shame and silence her and others like her. This is not about anything so innocuous as someone 'being offensive'.

475 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:30:03am

re: #397 Killgore Trout

Read the dude's story. I didn't excerpt enough but he's working in a rural Republican area to set up a homeless shelter. The perceived persecution makes it more difficult for him to work constructively with others in his community.

Oh, la-di-da. The liberals are persecuting poor fucking Rush Fucking Limbaugh, so his community doesn't want to feed and shelter the poor?

Pull the other fucking one.

476 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:30:15am

re: #473 Meh.

Yes. An advertisers are leaving Rush to protect their reputation. Corporations, being what they are, really won't know the damage being done to their names without some input from consumers.

Image: 325cec8f-5369-45bf-8b57-45b9f4cdef8e.jpg

477 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:30:32am

re: #474 Simply Sarah

This isn't about someone simply being 'offensive'. This is about someone defaming and slandering a young woman for no reason other than speaking her mind. This is about someone attacking said woman in an attempt to shame and silence her and others like her. This is not about anything so innocuous as someone 'being offensive'.

Let her sue him, problem solved, I wash my hands! //

478 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:31:24am

re: #473 Meh.

Yes. An advertisers are leaving Rush to protect their reputation. Corporations, being what they are, really won't know the damage being done to their names without some input from consumers.

And, even if Killgore got what he wanted-- if people weren't calling, if we had a culture where people just didn't do that, the companies would be doing a lot more polling, a lot more calling up and asking you your opinion.

It's a thoroughly unworkable position just from a practical point of view.

479 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:32:33am

re: #466 Saint Putin on a Toast

But is it bad that they fired her? Doesn't that hollow out the principle of the free speech? //

As I recall it was their decision. They can fire or hire anyone they want, I wouldn't pressure them either way on that. Fox News should have never let Glenn Beck and Andrew Napolitano on the air but it was their decision. I don't watch Fox and I never endorsed pressuring their advertisers.

480 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:32:36am
481 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:32:37am

I'd have more sympathy for KT's argument if I hadn't spent yesterday and today getting told that Mike Malloy and Bill Maher are no better than Rush, and that they deserve to be taken off the air as much as he.

482 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:32:44am

re: #452 Killgore Trout

I'm all for speaking out and criticizing ideas I disagree with. I'm not in favor of getting people fired or getting someone's show cancelled because they offended me.

Let me ask you then. How would you feel if someone spent a week on national radio waves calling you out by your full and legal name and calling you a "slut", "whore", and a "prostitute"? You would just ignore that?

483 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:33:03am

re: #434 Killgore Trout

yes.

OK. You talk to Sleep Train about that.

Actions have consequences. Behaving like a shit on the radio sometimes means that people are mad at you, and you lose money.

484 b_sharp  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:33:16am

re: #445 Gus

Sooner or later we reach a point where if we're agnostic about everything we wind up taking a stand on nothing.

This outta open up another can of worms.

//Jumps into foxhole!

//

I'm not a fan of eating worms.

485 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:33:46am

re: #479 Killgore Trout

You've made your position clear. It's not hard to understand.

What is missing, however, is a rationale for why it's bad to tell them.

Or, wait a sec, do you also think it's wrong to stop buying the product of someone who advertising with someone who's a hateful bigot? Do you also think that's wrong?

486 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:34:09am

re: #475 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, la-di-da. The liberals are persecuting poor fucking Rush Fucking Limbaugh, so his community doesn't want to feed and shelter the poor?

Pull the other fucking one.

Yes. Won't someone think of the poor rich white man? Someone really needs to think of the poor rich white man!

487 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:34:31am

re: #483 SanFranciscoZionist

His new claim is that he's Zen.

No I am not kidding.

488 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:34:34am

re: #481 Targetpractice

I'd have more sympathy for KT's argument if I hadn't spent yesterday and today getting told that Mike Malloy and Bill Maher are no better than Rush, and that they deserve to be taken off the air as much as he.

I never said that.

489 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:35:09am

re: #462 Killgore Trout

Her employers decided to fire her to protect their reputation. I don't recall an advertiser boycott being part of their decision.

Free market strikes again.

490 iossarian  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:35:16am

re: #479 Killgore Trout

As I recall it was their decision. They can fire or hire anyone they want, I wouldn't pressure them either way on that. Fox News should have never let Glenn Beck and Andrew Napolitano on the air but it was their decision. I don't watch Fox and I never endorsed pressuring their advertisers.

Why don't you just stop pressuring us to do things you want us to do then?

(edited for civility)

491 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:35:20am

re: #487 Obdicut

His new claim is that he's Zen.

No I am not kidding.

Image: Zen-Cat.jpg

492 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:35:30am

re: #480 Varek Raith

Poe's law.

493 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:35:42am

re: #486 Simply Sarah

Yes. Won't someone think of the poor rich white man? Someone really needs to think of the poor rich white man!

THE GREAT AND POWERFUL RUSH needs not your false pity. Now about your purchasing products from my sponsors...
/

494 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:36:05am

re: #434 Killgore Trout

yes.

"Just change the channel! Boycotts are wrong and bad! This isn't an IMPORTANT issue!..."

"Did you hear what some random dude who went to a OWS protest did once?!"

//

495 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:36:16am

re: #491 Varek Raith

Image: Zen-Cat.jpg

Let's try that again.
Image: tumblr_lbhyhpXUFO1qbxn7go1_500.jpg

496 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:36:49am

re: #482 Gus

Let me ask you then. How would you feel if someone spent a week on national radio waves calling you out by your full and legal name and calling you a "slut", "whore", and a "prostitute"? You would just ignore that?

Answer KT?

497 erik_t  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:36:57am

I'm done with this discussion. It's difficult to take seriously the idea that KT is putting forth any of these arguments in good faith.

498 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:37:11am

re: #488 Killgore Trout

I never said that.

What have you said, Kilgore? Because it honestly seems like you're advocating that people turn a blind-eye to the worst bits of humanity because those bits have an audience with a persecution complex.

499 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:37:49am

re: #495 Varek Raith

Let's try that again.
Image: tumblr_lbhyhpXUFO1qbxn7go1_500.jpg

My cat would be cool if he had a catnip orb collar too! Dude.

500 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:37:55am

re: #497 erik_t

Meh, it's impossible to tell if someone is, as well as bullshitting you, bullshitting himself.

501 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:38:06am

re: #470 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

The benefits work both ways:

For the radio station, they profit when the host gets listeners (arbitron ratings for instance) and advertisers have to pay for the privilege of spots - more listeners, higher cost per spot. The same thing works for high profile TV shows - Super Bowl, Academy Awards, etc. - more eyeballs = higher costs per spot.

Advertisers profit from the eyeballs/ears on the show - more bang for buck.

However, with a radio show, the advertising costs are tied to the host, and if the host gets himself into trouble, advertisers may have to look elsewhere to avoid being smeared by what host said/did - and the cost per spot may tumble as the radio station scrambles to fill the airtime. If enough of those advertisers bail and/or refuse, the host could be shifted out of the slot/demoted/fired/suspended, etc.

A few potential routes: Howard Stern moved to Sirius/XM rather than deal with the FCC restrictions on free-radio (subscribers pay to listen rather than straight advertising). Others go off-air and come back later under different terms/conditions/network (Olbermann).

In Rush's case, he's got a long term deal with Clear Channel, so if they can him (and it would depend on the terms of the contract as to whether Rush's conduct violated their deal or not), it may include severance, etc. Or both Clear Channel and Rush could jointly agree to end the relationship.

However, thus far Clear Channel is standing besides Rush (and should rightfully take flak for it).

502 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:38:06am

re: #462 Killgore Trout

Her employers decided to fire her to protect their reputation. I don't recall an advertiser boycott being part of their decision.

CAIR?

503 b_sharp  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:38:28am

re: #474 Simply Sarah

This isn't about someone simply being 'offensive'. This is about someone defaming and slandering a young woman for no reason other than speaking her mind. This is about someone attacking said woman in an attempt to shame and silence her and others like her. This is not about anything so innocuous as someone 'being offensive'.

If anybody is guilty of suppressing free speech, it's Limbaugh and his supporters.

504 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:39:58am

re: #479 Killgore Trout

As I recall it was their decision. They can fire or hire anyone they want, I wouldn't pressure them either way on that. Fox News should have never let Glenn Beck and Andrew Napolitano on the air but it was their decision. I don't watch Fox and I never endorsed pressuring their advertisers.

They can hire or fire anyone they want.

I can buy or boycott anything I want.

Why is the employer-employee relationship vulnerable to political opinion, while the producer-consumer one is supposed to remain aloof?

505 BongCrodny  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:40:08am

re: #472 SanFranciscoZionist

I'ma rant now.

Hear, hear. Great stuff from both you and Simply Sarah, SFZ.

If you don't stand up to this, the advertisers will continue, thinking absolutely nothing is wrong, to continue to sponsor this fatuous blowhard, further enabling him to say even *worse* shit.

And the throbbing masses who listen to Limbaugh will continue to say "dittos, Rush."

506 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:41:20am

re: #462 Killgore Trout

The firing of a journalist who violated the organization's code of conduct in an employer/employee relationship is different than advertisers bailing on a radio show whose host is a misogynistic troll. And neither is a free speech issue either.

Both are free to spout off as they wish, but in Helen Thomas' case, she can now spout off without being in the employ of UPI. Rush can continue spouting off as he wishes, but advertisers don't need to pay for the privilege of associating with him.

507 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:41:45am

Yeah, well, OWS.

508 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:42:03am

re: #487 Obdicut

His new claim is that he's Zen.

No I am not kidding.

OK....?

509 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:43:02am

re: #504 SanFranciscoZionist

They can hire or fire anyone they want.

I can buy or boycott anything I want.

Why is the employer-employee relationship vulnerable to political opinion, while the producer-consumer one is supposed to remain aloof?

Because liberals talking about organizing bycotts and avoiding advertisers who sponsor hate-speakers simply prove to the hate-speakers audience that they are being persecuted as they claim to be.

Mountains come out of the sky and they stand there.

510 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:43:06am

Killgore would you defend comments insinuating that Charles is a paedophile as 'free speech'? If not, then why should Limbaughs disgusting attacks on Sandra Fluke be defended as such?

511 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:43:14am

re: #503 b_sharp

If anybody is guilty of suppressing free speech, it's Limbaugh and his supporters.

Oh, for certain. Ms. Fluke was exercising her First Amendment rights in testifying before Congress and for that she is attacked. These bozos want to keep people they disagree with from doing that, so they've unfairly ripped into her, twisted her words, made things up out of whole cloth, and done everything in their power to make sure no one would dare do it again, lest they face the same.

512 b_sharp  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:43:28am

re: #508 SanFranciscoZionist

OK...?

His Zen is being used as a selective excuse.

513 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:43:32am

re: #508 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. It's not really a sense-making thing.

514 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:43:50am

Boycotting is a form of speech. It's related to freedom of assembly. Just as much as Rush Limbaugh has a right to his expression people have a right to counter his speech with boycotts and organized opposition. No one is stopping Rush Limbaugh from expressing himself anymore than anyone is stopping people from boycotting his advertisers. It is in the end the free-market of ideas on both sides.

Of course Limbaugh went beyond simple freedom of expression and entered the world of libel, slander and defamation of character on the public airwaves. And yes, there once was a time when the public airwaves were considered to be in the public domain and subject to there input. This still works and beyond boycotts Rush Limbaugh is subject to protestation through established FCC laws.

Any comments on this KT?

515 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:44:21am

re: #511 Simply Sarah

And they tried to prevent her from testifying, as well.

516 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:46:10am

re: #515 Obdicut

And they tried to prevent her from testifying, as well.

Well, where has the country gone if hussies are testifying before Congress!
/

517 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:46:45am

re: #496 Gus

Answer KT?

It depends. If they stay within the legal bounds of defamation, slander, libel etc then they are free to do so. If not then I'd hire a lawyer.

518 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:47:00am

Dinner. BBL

519 BongCrodny  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:47:04am

re: #515 Obdicut

And they tried to prevent her from testifying, as well.

Didn't they actually prevent Fluke from testifying?

I thought I read that her testimony was non-official because the Republicans wouldn't allow her to actually testify.

Am I (as usual) behind the curve here?

520 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:48:21am

re: #514 Gus

Boycotting is a form of speech. It's related to freedom of assembly. Just as much as Rush Limbaugh has a right to his expression people have a right to counter his speech with boycotts and organized opposition. No one is stopping Rush Limbaugh from expressing himself anymore than anyone is stopping people from boycotting his advertisers. It is in the end the free-market of ideas on both sides.

Of course Limbaugh went beyond simple freedom of expression and entered the world of libel, slander and defamation of character on the public airwaves. And yes, there once was a time when the public airwaves were considered to be in the public domain and subject to there input. This still works and beyond boycotts Rush Limbaugh is subject to protestation through established FCC laws.

Any comments on this KT?

Then take it to court. I'm not opposed to advertiser boycotts in principle but I think the method is way overused.

521 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:48:23am

re: #519 BongCrodny

Didn't they actually prevent Fluke from testifying?

I thought I read that her testimony was non-official because the Republicans wouldn't allow her to actually testify.

Am I (as usual) behind the curve here?

She was denied a seat at Issa's hearing, on the grounds that her testimony had nothing to do with the "religious freedom" BS that the GOP was pushing. So Pelosi called for a forum, which isn't as official as a hearing, to allow Fluke to give her testimony.

522 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:48:33am

re: #519 BongCrodny

Oh, you're right, actually. Her testimony is non-official. She was prevented, by the government, from speaking on this topic, in a way that was clearly and blatantly because of her sex and politics. Which is an actual, real first amendment violation, rather than a strained, allegorical one.

But obviously Rush is the real victim here.

523 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:48:45am

re: #510 Jimmah

Such speech can and does cross the line where it goes from free speech to defamation/libel (a limitation on speech and conduct).

If you're a public figure, the threshold of proving defamation/libel is much higher than if you're a private citizen. Rush's actions are defamatory in nature, and they do adversely affect Fluke.

In Florida (Rush's home state): a plaintiff would have to prove:
the defendant published a false statement;
about the plaintiff;
to a third party; and
the falsity of the statement caused injury to the plaintiff.

Clearly, the first three elements are in Fluke's favor - the trouble would be in proving the injury and damages. Emotional damage is hard to calculate, but not impossible.

524 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:48:47am

re: #520 Killgore Trout

Then take it to court. I'm not opposed to advertiser boycotts in principle but I think the method is way overused.

How is it overused?

525 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:49:09am

re: #519 BongCrodny

Didn't they actually prevent Fluke from testifying?

I thought I read that her testimony was non-official because the Republicans wouldn't allow her to actually testify.

Am I (as usual) behind the curve here?

She was kept out of the He-Man Women Hater's Club hearing, but there was a separate one (sponsored by a Democrat?) that she did speak to.

526 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:49:36am

re: #520 Killgore Trout

Then take it to court. I'm not opposed to advertiser boycotts in principle but I think the method is way overused.

It seems to be effective.

527 jamesfirecat  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:49:42am

re: #520 Killgore Trout

Then take it to court. I'm not opposed to advertiser boycotts in principle but I think the method is way overused.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe its overused because it works?

528 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:49:58am

re: #523 lawhawk

Couldn't she make the case that this could hurt her ability to find work?

529 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:50:01am

re: #477 Saint Putin on a Toast

Let her sue him, problem solved, I wash my hands! //

Heh.

530 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:50:15am

re: #520 Killgore Trout

Then take it to court. I'm not opposed to advertiser boycotts in principle but I think the method is way overused.

Even if it may be overused, what does that have to do with the current application? Lots of things are overused. That's different from "shouldn't be used."

531 b_sharp  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:50:16am

re: #514 Gus

Boycotting is a form of speech. It's related to freedom of assembly. Just as much as Rush Limbaugh has a right to his expression people have a right to counter his speech with boycotts and organized opposition. No one is stopping Rush Limbaugh from expressing himself anymore than anyone is stopping people from boycotting his advertisers. It is in the end the free-market of ideas on both sides.

Of course Limbaugh went beyond simple freedom of expression and entered the world of libel, slander and defamation of character on the public airwaves. And yes, there once was a time when the public airwaves were considered to be in the public domain and subject to there input. This still works and beyond boycotts Rush Limbaugh is subject to protestation through established FCC laws.

Any comments on this KT?

The extreme, delusional, right, in their overblown and misapprehended defence of free speech want to finish off their cake and have it too. They want the god given right to say whatever they want, which is fine by me, but they do not want others to have that same right if it means what they've said is criticized by leftists.

They've chosen to hate the left so much they can't see their own hypocrisy in shutting down the free speech of the 'left' (which just happens to be a rather fluid and relative description).

532 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:50:33am

re: #510 Jimmah

Killgore would you defend comments insinuating that Charles is a paedophile as 'free speech'? If not, then why should Limbaughs disgusting attacks on Sandra Fluke be defended as such?

If Charles wanted to hire a lawyer then he is free to do so. I don't think I'd go out of my way to get someone fired for saying something on the internet.

533 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:51:12am

re: #522 Obdicut

I'm going to disagree slightly with that - no person has a right to speak before Congress; the members have the right to pick and choose who gives testimony. Had Congress gone out of their way to prevent her from speaking altogether, it would be a violation. She was still able to give testimony to interested members.

534 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:51:19am

re: #524 Targetpractice

How is it overused?

It's like something those OWS hippies would do.

//

535 Sionainn  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:51:42am

re: #505 BongCrodny

Hear, hear. Great stuff from both you and Simply Sarah, SFZ.

If you don't stand up to this, the advertisers will continue, thinking absolutely nothing is wrong, to continue to sponsor this fatuous blowhard, further enabling him to say even *worse* shit.

And the throbbing masses who listen to Limbaugh will continue to say "dittos, Rush."

I've been listening to Limbaugh's program specifically to find out the advertisers. So far, I haven't heard any nationals, just local businesses. I have just sent emails to them, letting them know I won't buy their product nor will I refer people to them if Limbaugh is the kind of person they support. Funny thing is, I actually have recommended those two businesses in the past and purchased three vehicles from the particular car manufacturer. That won't occur again unless they pull their advertising.

536 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:52:18am

re: #520 Killgore Trout

Then take it to court. I'm not opposed to advertiser boycotts in principle but I think the method is way overused.

O_o

General reality interaction among me, my friends, and co-workers is to keep things unofficial as long as possible. Once you bring the authorities in things rapidly snowball out of control, lots of paperwork piles in, and the only winners are the lawyers who make a living out of gaming that particular system.

537 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:53:00am

re: #532 Killgore Trout

If Charles wanted to hire a lawyer then he is free to do so.

Lawsuits aren't overused?

538 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:53:03am

re: #528 ProGunLiberal

Couldn't she make the case that this could hurt her ability to find work?

A case could be made that her entire standard of living for the foreseeable future has been put in jeopardy by an old fat guy with a big mouth calling her Rosie Round-Heels on public radio.

(Alma Spreckels, one of the grande dames of early San Francisco, was raped as a young woman. Realizing that her chances, as a dance-hall girl, of getting a conviction on a death-penalty rape charge were nil, she sued the guy instead, for 'wrongful defloration', arguing that he'd reduced her future standard of living by making it harder for her to find a husband. The court awarded her several thousand dollars in damages, and then she married Spreckels, a sugar millionaire.)

539 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:53:05am

re: #528 ProGunLiberal

Yes, that's a possibility - that it affected her personal life and caused difficulties with members of her law school, employment opportunities down the line.

In this hypothetical, Rush could counter that the increased notoriety has opened up other opportunities for her to seek employment - including within the Administration, other political leaders, groups, etc., so that the economic loss is minimal/nonexistent.

540 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:53:22am

The most important moral question here isn't boycotts or freedom of speech. It's WHAT RUSH LIMBAUGH SAID.

541 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:53:46am

re: #533 lawhawk

I'm going to disagree slightly with that - no person has a right to speak before Congress; the members have the right to pick and choose who gives testimony. Had Congress gone out of their way to prevent her from speaking altogether, it would be a violation. She was still able to give testimony to interested members.

But not in the hearing on the subject, right?

And the reason she was disinvited by the GOP was because she had a position different from theirs-- not a fringe position, but one that well-deserves to be represented before Congress.

And they prevented all women, and all people with that point of view, from so doing.

542 b_sharp  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:54:03am

re: #529 Saint Putin on a Toast

Heh.

You be talkin' to yerself.

543 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:54:06am

re: #540 Gus

The most important moral question here isn't boycotts or freedom of speech. It's WHAT RUSH LIMBAUGH SAID.

We should ignore that because some wingnut may feel 'persecuted'.

544 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:54:37am

re: #524 Targetpractice

How is it overused?

Don Imus, Howard Stern, Opie & Anthony and countless radio talkers have lost gigs because of tasteless comments. I think people should say whatever they want as long as they stay within legal guidlines no matter how offensive it may be. If their bosses want to fire them, that's fine by me. If a company doesn't want to advertise, that's fine by me. I'm not going to pressure anyone to do anything.

545 Sionainn  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:54:56am

re: #532 Killgore Trout

If Charles wanted to hire a lawyer then he is free to do so. I don't think I'd go out of my way to get someone fired for saying something on the internet.

You remind me of the current GOP frontrunner.

546 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:55:18am

re: #544 Killgore Trout

Don Imus, Howard Stern, Opie & Anthony and countless radio talkers have lost gigs because of tasteless comments.

Is that some kind of a big loss to the world, humanity, culture?

547 iossarian  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:55:23am

re: #544 Killgore Trout

I'm not going to pressure anyone to do anything.

If that's the case, then why are you on here at all?

548 b_sharp  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:55:31am

re: #534 Shvaughn

It's like something those OWS hippies would do.

//

I was a hippy once, long ago, but then I was stoned.

549 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:55:34am

re: #537 Shvaughn

Lawsuits aren't overused?

I think they are but I'm happy to let the court system sort that out.

550 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:55:39am

Good thing LEAs and the Secret Service don't ignore stuff posted on the internet.
;)

551 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:55:42am

re: #544 Killgore Trout

But again, the question you keep not answering: Why is it wrong to tell the advertiser why you're not buying their product anymore? Or, again, do you believe that's wrong too?

We really get your position. It's really not hard to figure out. What you're not answering is why.

Is this just the facile 'If everyone behaved like me everything would be perfect' fallacy?

552 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:56:29am

re: #540 Gus

The most important moral question here isn't boycotts or freedom of speech. It's WHAT RUSH LIMBAUGH SAID.

THE GREAT AND POWERFUL RUSH is rightly the focus of AMERICA. HEED MY WORDS. Heed not the liberal strumpet who is already a Washington insider.
/

553 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:57:24am

re: #546 Saint Putin on a Toast

Is that some kind of a big loss to the world, humanity, culture?

Pornographers and crude comedians are often our best source of social commentary. God bless them.
/A Modest Proposal

554 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:58:29am

re: #551 Obdicut

But again, the question you keep not answering: Why is it wrong to tell the advertiser why you're not buying their product anymore? Or, again, do you believe that's wrong too?

We really get your position. It's really not hard to figure out. What you're not answering is why.

Is this just the facile 'If everyone behaved like me everything would be perfect' fallacy?

Because I think it's an overused technique that activists use to silence people who disagree with them.

555 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:59:15am

re: #547 iossarian

If that's the case, then why are you on here at all?

Free exchange of ideas.

556 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:59:17am

re: #541 Obdicut

But not in the hearing on the subject, right?

And the reason she was disinvited by the GOP was because she had a position different from theirs-- not a fringe position, but one that well-deserves to be represented before Congress.

And they prevented all women, and all people with that point of view, from so doing.

According to this article she was a last minute switcheroo by the Dems for their previous choice, Rev. Barry Lynn [head of Americans United for Separation of Church and State].

557 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:59:25am

re: #544 Killgore Trout

Don Imus, Howard Stern, Opie & Anthony and countless radio talkers have lost gigs because of tasteless comments. I think people should say whatever they want as long as they stay within legal guidlines no matter how offensive it may be. If their bosses want to fire them, that's fine by me. If a company doesn't want to advertise, that's fine by me. I'm not going to pressure anyone to do anything.

How magnanimous of you. Some of us are not so forgiving, nor do we see how Rush has a right to the microphone that is somehow being stripped away from him if we, as consumers, voice our refusal to buy from sponsors any longer.

558 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:59:27am

Lol, this is silly.

559 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:59:39am

re: #544 Killgore Trout

Don Imus, Howard Stern, Opie & Anthony and countless radio talkers have lost gigs because of tasteless comments. I think people should say whatever they want as long as they stay within legal guidlines no matter how offensive it may be. If their bosses want to fire them, that's fine by me. If a company doesn't want to advertise, that's fine by me. I'm not going to pressure anyone to do anything.

I guess what we're trying to say here then is that we really don't care about what you would do. You don't want to pressure anyone, fine. The rest of us do. You seem to have trouble respecting that.

560 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:00:05am

re: #555 Killgore Trout

Free exchange of ideas.

What idea is Rush exchanging with his attack on this woman?

561 makeitstop  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:00:06am

Okay, this argument is just going in slow circles now.

I'm going to go run some errands and tune into WABC to listen to Rusty whine. Will report back.

562 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:00:06am

re: #558 Varek Raith

Lol, this is silly.

At this point, I quite concur.

563 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:00:13am

re: #544 Killgore Trout

Don Imus, Howard Stern, Opie & Anthony and countless radio talkers have lost gigs because of tasteless comments. I think people should say whatever they want as long as they stay within legal guidlines no matter how offensive it may be. If their bosses want to fire them, that's fine by me. If a company doesn't want to advertise, that's fine by me. I'm not going to pressure anyone to do anything.

I'm really, really trying to wrap my head around your logic here. I'm failing. Here's what is going on! Let's even use rights to demonstrate it.

1. Rush says something (OK, a lot of things) that I find highly offensive.
2. I decide I don't want to associate (Freedom of Association) with companies with a relationship with him.
3. I use my Right to Free Speech to tell said companies about this fact. They can now decide if they'd rather freely associate with Rush or with me.

564 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:00:39am

re: #559 Gus

I guess what we're trying to say here then is that we really don't care about what you would do. You don't want to pressure anyone, fine. The rest of us do. You seem to have trouble respecting that.

I'm happy to debate it. I'm not trying to get anyone fired or punished for endorsing the boycott.

565 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:01:06am

re: #523 lawhawk

Such speech can and does cross the line where it goes from free speech to defamation/libel (a limitation on speech and conduct).

If you're a public figure, the threshold of proving defamation/libel is much higher than if you're a private citizen. Rush's actions are defamatory in nature, and they do adversely affect Fluke.

In Florida (Rush's home state): a plaintiff would have to prove:
the defendant published a false statement;
about the plaintiff;
to a third party; and
the falsity of the statement caused injury to the plaintiff.

Clearly, the first three elements are in Fluke's favor - the trouble would be in proving the injury and damages. Emotional damage is hard to calculate, but not impossible.

Not counting the additional emotional damage of a libel case in which one's opponent's defence would likely be "Yes she is a slut".

566 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:01:08am

re: #554 Killgore Trout

Because I think it's an overused technique that activists use to silence people who disagree with them.

As was already pointed out, 'overused' is not an actual reason.

You're again, just stating your position. You're not providing support for it. I don't think you actually have any support for it.

But you've also taken the position that this is not an important issue, and that propaganda is not effective. The former, obviously, is subjective, but your lack of belief in the power of propaganda is willful naivete of the silliest sort.

567 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:01:12am

re: #564 Killgore Trout

I'm happy to debate it. I'm not trying to get anyone fired or punished for endorsing the boycott.

That's kind of, funny.

568 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:01:17am

re: #554 Killgore Trout

Because I think it's an overused technique that activists use to silence people who disagree with them.

And yet, we're not disagreeing with Rush so much as we are taking issue with his attacks on a woman who has done nothing to deserve them, attacks which could see him taken to court for slander and defamation of character.

570 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:01:43am

re: #563 Simply Sarah

I'm really, really trying to wrap my head around your logic here. I'm failing. Here's what is going on! Let's even use rights to demonstrate it.

1. Rush says something (OK, a lot of things) that I find highly offensive.
2. I decide I don't want to associate (Freedom of Association) with companies with a relationship with him.
3. I use my Right to Free Speech to tell said companies about this fact. They can now decide if they'd rather freely associate with Rush or with me.

I'm not saying you don't have the right to do it. I'm saying that I don't endorse the effort.

571 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:02:00am

re: #563 Simply Sarah

I'm really, really trying to wrap my head around your logic here. I'm failing. Here's what is going on! Let's even use rights to demonstrate it.

1. Rush says something (OK, a lot of things) that I find highly offensive.
2. I decide I don't want to associate (Freedom of Association) with companies with a relationship with him.
3. I use my Right to Free Speech to tell said companies about this fact. They can now decide if they'd rather freely associate with Rush or with me.

And yes, I know I've sorta hijacked the idea of Freedom of Association for my own purposes and definition. So sue me. :P

572 iossarian  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:02:23am

re: #555 Killgore Trout

Free exchange of ideas.

So you don't care if anyone pays any attention to you or not?

573 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:02:42am

Oxygen is overused.

574 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:02:42am

re: #553 Killgore Trout

Pornographers and crude comedians are often our best source of social commentary. God bless them.
/A Modest Proposal

Something tells me the folks you've listed aren't nearly comparable to Dr. Swift.

And, looking to talk radio for social commentary? C'mon.

575 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:02:54am

re: #570 Killgore Trout

You're saying more than that. You're saying you think it's wrong to do. You're criticizing it in general, not just saying that you're not going to do it.

576 Kragar  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:02:59am

Wisconsin Senator Who Introduced Anti-Single Parent Bill Says Women 'Trained' To Lie About Planned Pregnancies

Wisconsin state senator Glenn Grothman went on the Alan Colmes show on Friday to discuss a controversial new bill he authored that would require the state’s Child Abuse and Neglect Prevention Board to officially label single parenthood as “a contributing factor to child abuse and neglect.”

The bill was seen as a slap in the face to single parents in Wisconsin, who are raising 31 percent of children in the state.

Grothman told Colmes that the country’s out-of-wedlock birth rate is the “choice of the women,” who should be “educated that this is a mistake.” When Colmes countered with statistics about the high number of pregnancies that are unintended, Grothman said that many women are “trained” to lie and say that they’re pregnancies are unintended:

577 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:03:02am

re: #569 Varek Raith

Dobbs Doubles Down: The Lorax "Pushes An Anti-Capitalist, Pro-Environment Agenda And Message

I really would like a list of which kid's cartoons are Party Approved.

578 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:03:10am

re: #569 Varek Raith

Dobbs Doubles Down: The Lorax "Pushes An Anti-Capitalist, Pro-Environment Agenda And Message

They do know that the book has been out since the early 70's right? What are these guys gonna do if someone releases a movie on the Sneeches, bitch because it promotes equality?

579 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:03:17am

re: #544 Killgore Trout

Don Imus, Howard Stern, Opie & Anthony and countless radio talkers have lost gigs because of tasteless comments. I think people should say whatever they want as long as they stay within legal guidlines no matter how offensive it may be. If their bosses want to fire them, that's fine by me. If a company doesn't want to advertise, that's fine by me. I'm not going to pressure anyone to do anything.

OK. Now, if I decide to call for a boycott, is that also fine with you?

580 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:03:37am

There's a difference between not endorsing something and bitching about it incessantly.

581 b_sharp  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:04:00am

re: #554 Killgore Trout

Because I think it's an overused technique that activists use to silence people who disagree with them.

Is that the dreaded, hated word 'activist' I see there? The word that at one time was used to describe people considered beneficial to society but since then has taken on a negative connotation, brought about by conservatives wishing to shut down conversations they don't like by poisoning the well?

583 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:04:35am
584 b_sharp  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:04:48am

re: #560 Varek Raith

What idea is Rush exchanging with his attack on this woman?

He's a dick!

585 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:04:52am

re: #572 iossarian

So you don't care if anyone pays any attention to you or not?

I don't think it makes any difference. Everybody loves to get people fired. If progressives stopped conservatives would continue. Al Sharpton and Bill Donahue have made entire careers out of it. The pendulum of society swings around a bit but people aren't going to stop this stuff anytime soon.

586 iossarian  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:04:52am

re: #581 b_sharp

Is that the dreaded, hated word 'activist' I see there? The word that at one time was used to describe people considered beneficial to society but since then has taken on a negative connotation, brought about by conservatives wishing to shut down conversations they don't like by poisoning the well?

It does appear to be a telling word choice.

587 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:04:52am

I detect an overabundance of carbon dioxide.

588 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:05:22am

re: #587 Gus

I detect an overabundance of carbon dioxide.

HOAX.

589 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:05:24am

KT. If you don't like the boycott channel then turn it off or change the channel.

590 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:05:40am

re: #564 Killgore Trout

Do you not believe that words/actions have consequences. Rush said abhorrent things about Ms. Fluke. Those statements were hurtful, vile and defamatory. They've been repeated with gusto by the right wing since then.

Advertisers don't want to get caught being associated with that - and it's in their own self-interest to bail. It isn't even necessary to have a boycott.

The threat of a boycott is sufficient to get corporate risk managers atwitter to reduce the fallout to them. The advertising dollars will go elsewhere. Rush will continue his show until CC chooses to drop him/end contract/mutually agree severance/suspend, etc. CC will see its profits drop as advertisers bail. Rush may see his wages drop if the contract allows for suspensions/etc.

591 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:05:53am

re: #579 SanFranciscoZionist

OK. Now, if I decide to call for a boycott, is that also fine with you?

Sure, you have every right to do whatever you want.

592 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:05:58am

re: #506 lawhawk

The firing of a journalist who violated the organization's code of conduct in an employer/employee relationship is different than advertisers bailing on a radio show whose host is a misogynistic troll. And neither is a free speech issue either.

Both are free to spout off as they wish, but in Helen Thomas' case, she can now spout off without being in the employ of UPI. Rush can continue spouting off as he wishes, but advertisers don't need to pay for the privilege of associating with him.

Absolutely, there is no free speech component in any of this. The amendment only covers speech directed at the government. Free speech to enumerate our grievances with the government cannot be silenced. If you come into my house and start spewing shit out of your pie hole, I have every right to tell you to STFU or get out.

He is spewing his shit on PUBLIC RADIO WAVES. The public has every right to speak out about it any way they desire, and if hitting these sponsors in the pocketbook is the only way (seeing as money is free speech) then that is what will happen.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

593 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:06:17am

re: #569 Varek Raith

Dobbs Doubles Down: The Lorax "Pushes An Anti-Capitalist, Pro-Environment Agenda And Message

You could have fooled me, what with all those product tie-ins and endorsements and all.

594 Kragar  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:07:31am

Rush said this morning that the idea that the GOP is waging war on women is ludicrous because the GOP is supposed to be in the business of winning elections, why would they declare war on women?

Of course the real question is "Why does the GOP want to win elections?" When they won the 2010 midterms, they went on a full scale assault against women.

595 erik_t  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:07:32am

re: #593 Simply Sarah

You could have fooled me, what with all those product tie-ins and endorsements and all.

I drive a CommuMazda.

596 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:07:38am

re: #532 Killgore Trout

If Charles wanted to hire a lawyer then he is free to do so. I don't think I'd go out of my way to get someone fired for saying something on the internet.

What you say with your mouth can get you fired, internet or not. The bottom line for me is that you want people like Limbaugh to be shielded from the consequences of their own actions, rather than us take a stand to assert that certain kinds of speech are beyond the pale.

597 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:07:41am

re: #590 lawhawk

Do you not believe that words/actions have consequences.

Yes, no doubt about it.

598 b_sharp  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:07:57am
599 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:08:05am

Am I allowed to label this style of defense "limp dishrag contrarian"?

600 iossarian  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:08:11am

1) It's illegal, a violation of free speech.

2) OK, not illegal, but still a reprehensible suppression of free speech.

3) OK, maybe free speech isn't being suppressed. Still, people shouldn't call for other people to be fired.

4) OK, other people can call for people to be fired, that's fine, it's just that I won't do it personally.

5) OK, so ... hey, is that a strawberry?

601 Kragar  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:08:21am
602 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:08:51am

re: #596 Jimmah

Or any sort of speech, really. Like blaming Jews for all the troubles in society. God knows that that sort of speech being tolerated and not opposed by good people never wound up hurting anyone.

603 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:08:53am

re: #570 Killgore Trout

I'm not saying you don't have the right to do it. I'm saying that I don't endorse the effort.

You don't have to.

But the Kos article is the worst of stupid muddle-headed mock-progressive thinking, and I continue to find it ridiculous in the extreme.

604 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:08:56am

re: #598 b_sharp

Yes, yes it does. So what, Mr Dobbs?

All messages should be pro capitalist and anti environment. We don't want children thinking differently, do we?

605 b_sharp  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:09:08am

re: #573 Varek Raith

Oxygen is overused.

Nitrogen, even though it is in the majority, is being oppressed.

606 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:09:14am

re: #598 b_sharp

Yes, yes it does. So what, Mr Dobbs?

Strip mining the Earth = Good.
Protecting the ecosystem = BAD. And communism. And atheists.

607 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:09:39am

The real KT is tied up in a Scooby Doo warehouse somewhere.

608 Sionainn  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:09:46am

re: #554 Killgore Trout

Because I think it's an overused technique that activists use to silence people who disagree with them.

Oh, please. They aren't being silenced. They just don't have as big an audience.

609 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:10:03am

re: #605 b_sharp

Nitrogen, even though it is in the majority, is being oppressed.

Yes, but it's inert and not protesting much, so who cares?
(And we have bacteria on the job fixing it anyways.)

610 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:10:16am

re: #585 Killgore Trout

I don't think it makes any difference. Everybody loves to get people fired. If progressives stopped conservatives would continue. Al Sharpton and Bill Donahue have made entire careers out of it. The pendulum of society swings around a bit but people aren't going to stop this stuff anytime soon.

"Get people fired".

Come on. Rush is an extremely rich and powerful man. The worst that will happen to him, if this gets really bad, is that he loses a gig or two.

611 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:10:17am

re: #607 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

The real KT is tied up in a Scooby Doo warehouse somewhere.

This one is eating his Scooby Snacks.

//

612 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:10:22am

re: #597 Killgore Trout

Yes, no doubt about it.

And yet, you've been banging on about how Rush's fans might see this as persecution and how it doesn't set right with you that his fans will be deprived of him if this "boycott" is successful. So, how can you believe he should be held responsible for his actions if you also believe that do so will adversely affect his fans?

613 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:10:56am

re: #517 Killgore Trout

It depends. If they stay within the legal bounds of defamation, slander, libel etc then they are free to do so. If not then I'd hire a lawyer.

Yes, and arm yourself with a BB gun to attack the Panzer division. They depend on that numerical barrier to dissuade any little people from confronting them in that way. You can put your $20,000 life savings up against our $4 billion dollar corp., good luck lasting 2 weeks at that numerical game.

614 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:11:00am

re: #553 Killgore Trout

Pornographers and crude comedians are often our best source of social commentary. God bless them.
/A Modest Proposal

There's also an overarching contradiction here. You seem to agree that words do influence the real world. But then you would have to admit that they can influence it in a bad way, as well as in a good way. And if they influence it is a palpably bad way, isn't it if not a duty, then at least a moral option to oppose the bad in a legal way?

615 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:11:10am

KT, do you not see how contradictory you are being?

616 erik_t  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:11:18am

re: #594 Kragar

Rush said this morning that the idea that the GOP is waging war on women is ludicrous because the GOP is supposed to be in the business of winning elections, why would they declare war on women?

Of course the real question is "Why does the GOP want to win elections?" When they won the 2010 midterms, they went on a full scale assault against women.

I'd like to think that any political party is supposed to be in the business of improving the lives of the citizens of the country it aims to run.

617 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:11:22am

re: #601 Kragar

26 advertisers gone and counting...

I want to get in on this. I'd like to announce that I will not be advertising on Rush's show!
/

618 b_sharp  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:11:27am

re: #578 HappyWarrior

They do know that the book has been out since the early 70's right? What are these guys gonna do if someone releases a movie on the Sneeches, bitch because it promotes equality?

Somebody should ask them how they like breathing without particle masks on, and not worrying about lighting rivers on fire when they smoke.

619 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:11:30am

re: #591 Killgore Trout

Sure, you have every right to do whatever you want.

OK.

I am also going to continue to say that panty-waists like Mr. "I'm trying to do good in the poor, real, true, red America, but my fellow leftists keep acting like bitches count" are idiots.

620 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:11:52am

re: #597 Killgore Trout

Yes, no doubt about it.

So wait a minute. Then what about the commentators on Hot Air? You didn't seem to take the "I'm going to look the other way" stance with them. Your intent was to silence them. Shame them. Care to comment on that incident?

621 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:13:18am

re: #620 Gus

So wait a minute. Then what about the commentators on Hot Air? You didn't seem to take the "I'm going to look the other way" stance with them. Your intent was to silence them. Shame them. Care to comment on that incident?

622 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:14:06am

Got ya!

//

623 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:14:16am

..well that's different...

624 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:15:00am

STOP PERSECUTING ME!!!

625 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:15:06am

Kilgore, it appears that you think the only people who should have a say, the only ones who can hold Rush responsible for his words and actions, are the very people who are cheering him on and repeating his bullshit to anybody who will listen. That as long as he's playing to them, it doesn't matter what the rest of us think, because they're the only ones with a voice in whether he remains on the air or not.

626 Kragar  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:16:27am

Romney’s Latest Clean Energy Attack: ‘You Can’t Drive A Car With A Windmill On It’

Someone let Mitt know you can't drive a car with an oil well on it either.

627 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:16:53am

re: #626 Kragar

Romney’s Latest Clean Energy Attack: ‘You Can’t Drive A Car With A Windmill On It’

Someone let Mitt know you can't drive a car with an oil well on it either.

COAL IS NOT A FOUR LETTER WORD!

628 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:16:54am

re: #626 Kragar

Romney’s Latest Clean Energy Attack: ‘You Can’t Drive A Car With A Windmill On It’

Someone let Mitt know you can't drive a car with an oil well on it either.

You could probably mount a small windmill on a car.

629 b_sharp  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:17:14am

re: #606 Varek Raith

Strip mining the Earth = Good.
Protecting the ecosystem = BAD. And communism. And atheists.

Naughty man, you said a bad word. You should have your mouth washed out with lye soap. Cleanliness is next to godliness.

630 erik_t  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:17:15am

re: #626 Kragar

Romney’s Latest Clean Energy Attack: ‘You Can’t Drive A Car With A Windmill On It’

Someone let Mitt know you can't drive a car with an oil well on it either.

This seems like a uniquely silly line of attack, what with solar panels and all. Not just wrong, I expect wrong, but please come up with something less silly.

631 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:17:47am

re: #626 Kragar

Romney’s Latest Clean Energy Attack: ‘You Can’t Drive A Car With A Windmill On It’

Someone let Mitt know you can't drive a car with an oil well on it either.

A windmill? No. Now, a terrified dog...

632 Sionainn  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:18:21am

re: #626 Kragar

Romney’s Latest Clean Energy Attack: ‘You Can’t Drive A Car With A Windmill On It’

Someone let Mitt know you can't drive a car with an oil well on it either.

Or a crate with a dog in it.

633 Kragar  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:18:44am

re: #627 Varek Raith

COAL IS NOT A FOUR LETTER WORD!

KHOAL!

634 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:18:47am

re: #626 Kragar

Romney’s Latest Clean Energy Attack: ‘You Can’t Drive A Car With A Windmill On It’

Someone let Mitt know you can't drive a car with an oil well on it either.

Such a tool.

635 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:18:50am

re: #631 Simply Sarah

A windmill? No. Now, a terrified dog...

Man, Romney walked right into that one.

636 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:19:06am

re: #626 Kragar

Romney’s Latest Clean Energy Attack: ‘You Can’t Drive A Car With A Windmill On It’

Someone let Mitt know you can't drive a car with an oil well on it either.

Sad thing is, I know that the audience who heard that laughed and cheered, without needing to watch the video.

I implore him, play to the base as much as possible. Because they're not gonna save his ass this fall.

637 erik_t  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:19:11am

re: #628 SanFranciscoZionist

You could probably mount a small windmill on a car.

Science: acting occasionally all counter-intuitive and shit since several thousand BC.

638 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:19:17am

re: #604 HappyWarrior

All messages should be pro capitalist and anti environment. We don't want children thinking differently, do we?

Took my youngest to see it this weekend. Funny little movie, and the 3D aspect was good too.

639 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:19:27am

re: #635 Varek Raith

Man, Romney walked right into that one.

Mitt has shown an almost super-human ability to do that.

640 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:19:33am

re: #578 HappyWarrior

They do know that the book has been out since the early 70's right? What are these guys gonna do if someone releases a movie on the Sneeches, bitch because it promotes equality?

Dr. Seuss was performing penance.

O:

641 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:19:56am

re: #638 RayFerd

Took my youngest to see it this weekend. Funny little movie, and the 3D aspect was good too.

Probably gonna want to rent it for the kid brother when it comes out. He saw Hugo over the weekend and loved it.

642 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:20:03am

re: #620 Gus

So wait a minute. Then what about the commentators on Hot Air? You didn't seem to take the "I'm going to look the other way" stance with them. Your intent was to silence them. Shame them. Care to comment on that incident?

I never tried to get anyone fired or financially punished. I didn't pressure anyone's advertisers or try to get their webpages taken down. I spoke out and made my point. End of story.

643 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:21:01am

re: #626 Kragar

Romney’s Latest Clean Energy Attack: ‘You Can’t Drive A Car With A Windmill On It’

Someone let Mitt know you can't drive a car with an oil well on it either.

Required viewing for wingnuts WRT to oil:

FLASHBACK: Fox News On Gas Prices In 2008

644 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:21:26am

re: #642 Killgore Trout

I never tried to get anyone fired or financially punished. I didn't pressure anyone's advertisers or tried to get their webpages taken down. I spoke out and made my point. End of story.

Translation: you did it so it's OK.

645 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:21:54am

Does anyone have a page up tracking today's results?

646 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:21:57am

re: #643 Gus

Required viewing for wingnuts WRT to oil:

FLASHBACK: Fox News On Gas Prices In 2008

[Embedded content]

Lol.

647 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:22:33am

re: #642 Killgore Trout

I never tried to get anyone fired or financially punished. I didn't pressure anyone's advertisers or tried to get their webpages taken down. I spoke out and made my point. End of story.

And let me guess, had any of that happened, you'd have beaten yourself up over it, right?

648 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:22:51am

re: #645 SanFranciscoZionist

Does anyone have a page up tracking today's results?

Mitt Romney wins Virginia.
I'm calling it now.
;)

649 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:22:59am

re: #644 Gus

Translation: you did it so it's OK.

No. I spoke up. I made no attempt to silence anyone.

650 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:23:19am

Silly spell check is silly.

651 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:23:27am

re: #642 Killgore Trout

I never tried to get anyone fired or financially punished. I didn't pressure anyone's advertisers or try to get their webpages taken down. I spoke out and made my point. End of story.

OK, and that's your choice. The rest of us over here will be busy trying to spread our message against the hate Rush has been spewing.

652 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:23:27am

re: #649 Killgore Trout

No. I spoke up. I made no attempt to silence anyone.

Right. Sure you didn't.

653 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:23:48am

[Link: www.theonion.com...]
Yes!

654 Kragar  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:23:51am

Bachmann Plays Victim Card: ‘The Rhetoric Is Far Worse Against People Who Stand Up For Traditional Marriage’

Michele Bachmann — the woman who in 2004 described the gay “lifestyle” as “sad” and “part of Satan” — feigned ignorance at the harshness of her own anti-gay rhetoric and told CNN’s Piers Morgan last night that “the rhetoric is far worse against people who stand for traditional marriage. If anyone gets attacked in this country, it’s people who stand for traditional marriage”:

MORGAN: Yes. But you see, I was also taught to respect and be tolerant towards people who didn’t agree with those beliefs. And I think that America, with this movement on gay marriage and so on, just has to come a time when people who have strong religious beliefs, like you, like Kirk Cameron, actually show people like the gay community tolerance and a bit of slack, and say, I don’t agree with it, but nor am I going to demonize you. That’s all I’m getting at.

BACHMANN: I would like to see the lack of demonization for those of us who stand on sincerely held religious beliefs. It’s overtime. That’s where you see the demonization of people who stand on their beliefs.

MORGAN: So respect on both sides is what we need to get to?

BACHMANN: Of course.

WAAAAH!!! They always demand respect when they're losing.

655 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:24:07am

re: #644 Gus

Translation: you did it so it's OK.

No, I'm seeing a distinct pattern here. KT is arguing against damaging someone's livelihood. 'Getting them fired.' Unless you are their employer, in which case it is apparently OK.

To which I say: cry me a river. You get obscenely rich by the talk show, you get slightly smacked on the hand by the talk show.

656 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:24:09am

re: #648 Varek Raith

Mitt Romney wins Virginia.
I'm calling it now.
;)

I will laugh my ass off if Paul takes the win.

657 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:24:36am

re: #654 Kragar

Bachmann Plays Victim Card: ‘The Rhetoric Is Far Worse Against People Who Stand Up For Traditional Marriage’

WAAAH!!! They always demand respect when they're losing.

What a fucking load.

658 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:25:03am

re: #656 Targetpractice

I will laugh my ass off if Paul takes the win.

Same. I considered voting for him to piss in the pot but I decided not to ultimately.

659 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:25:18am

re: #656 Targetpractice

I will laugh my ass off if Paul takes the win.

Divide by zero error.

660 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:25:27am

re: #647 Targetpractice

And let me guess, had any of that happened, you'd have beaten yourself up over it, right?

If the owners of Hot Air decided to change their editorial policy, which they did, then that was their choice. My action was speaking up. I didn't try to apply financial pressure to coerce them into doing anything they didn't want to do.

661 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:26:45am

re: #654 Kragar

Bachmann Plays Victim Card: ‘The Rhetoric Is Far Worse Against People Who Stand Up For Traditional Marriage’

WAAAH!!! They always demand respect when they're losing.

"Look how badly they treat those of us that hate them there negros! All we want to do is keep them out of our schools and business and houses and ..."

662 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:27:07am

re: #655 SanFranciscoZionist

No, I'm seeing a distinct pattern here. KT is arguing against damaging someone's livelihood. 'Getting them fired.' Unless you are their employer, in which case it is apparently OK.

To which I say: cry me a river. You get obscenely rich by the talk show, you get slightly smacked on the hand by the talk show.

Right. So it's OK for a company to fire an employer over offensive content but the public can't pressure companies into firing someone over offensive content. IOW, we basically have a sort of corporate supremacy at work here. The public should wait for corporations to make those decisions and the public should play no part in pressuring these companies.

663 Kragar  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:27:09am

re: #657 HappyWarrior

What a fucking load.

"YOU'RE THE MINIONS OF SATAN!"

"I think you're wrong and have a narrow minded view of the world."

"STOP DEMONIZING US, HELLSPAWN!"

664 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:28:11am

re: #660 Killgore Trout

If the owners of Hot Air decided to change their editorial policy, which they did, then that was their choice. My action was speaking up. I didn't try to apply financial pressure to coerce them into doing anything they didn't want to do.

OK, so if there is a massive campaign exposing Limbo, which his advertisers obviously see, but no one actually calls the advertisers to drop RL (but they drop him because he is radioactive) - is that scenario OK by you?

665 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:28:15am

re: #663 Kragar

"YOU'RE THE MINIONS OF SATAN!"

"I think you're wrong and have a narrow minded view of the world."

"STOP DEMONIZING US, HELLSPAWN!"

"YOU WANTING TO MARRY YOUR LONGTIME PARTNER IS LIKE WANTING TO MARRY A CHILD OR ANIMAL!"
"Listen we just want to marry in peace and have the same benefits as straight couples."
"YOU WANT SPECIAL PRIVILEGES!"

666 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:28:36am

So the next time Pat Buchanan pops up on national television just shut the hell up and let the media corporations handle it!

//

667 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:28:40am

re: #654 Kragar

Bachmann Plays Victim Card: ‘The Rhetoric Is Far Worse Against People Who Stand Up For Traditional Marriage’

WAAAH!!! They always demand respect when they're losing.

More projection than a carrier battle group.

668 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:28:49am

re: #660 Killgore Trout

If the owners of Hot Air decided to change their editorial policy, which they did, then that was their choice. My action was speaking up. I didn't try to apply financial pressure to coerce them into doing anything they didn't want to do.

So if I write an editorial speaking my disgust with Rush's words, and my readers go out and apply that "financial pressure" instead, am I still guilty if he gets fired?

669 b_sharp  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:29:13am

re: #630 erik_t

This seems like a uniquely silly line of attack, what with solar panels and all. Not just wrong, I expect wrong, but please come up with something less silly.

He's trying to use reductio ad absurdum but was only capable of reductio ad ridiculum.

There should be one called the 'revelling in fallacies fallacy'.

670 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:29:51am

re: #664 Saint Putin on a Toast

OK, so if there is a massive campaign exposing Limbo, which his advertisers obviously see, but no one actually calls the advertisers to drop RL (but they drop him because he is radioactive) - is that scenario OK by you?

Yup. That's fine by me. If I had a company I certainly wouldn't support his show by buying commercial time. I wouldn't blame them at all.

671 Kragar  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:30:27am

re: #665 HappyWarrior

"YOU WANTING TO MARRY YOUR LONGTIME PARTNER IS LIKE WANTING TO MARRY A CHILD OR ANIMAL!"
"Listen we just want to marry in peace and have the same benefits as straight couples."
"YOU WANT SPECIAL PRIVILEGES!"

Now that you mention it...

Fischer: Gays Already Have Marriage Equality, Want Special Rights

Bryan Fischer is quite fond of the line of argument that gays don't need marriage equality because they already have the right to marry anyone they want ... so long as the person they want to marry is of the opposite sex.

And it is a point he made again yesterday on his radio program, though this time he added a few remarks at the end that reveal the absurdity of his entire argument:

672 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:30:56am

re: #668 Targetpractice

So if I write an editorial speaking my disgust with Rush's words, and my readers go out and apply that "financial pressure" instead, am I still guilty if he gets fired?

If you don't call for a boycott I don't think you should be held responsible for it.

673 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:30:57am

re: #640 wrenchwench

Dr. Seuss was performing penance.

O:

Forgive me Mother Earth, for I have sinned.
/

674 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:31:20am

re: #670 Killgore Trout

Yup. That's fine by me. If I had a company I certainly wouldn't support his show by buying commercial time. I wouldn't blame them at all.

But this undermines your free speech argument. The effect is the same: advertisers drop him because of societal pressure. That it's not explicit but implicit doesn't change the end result in the slightest, and it's the end result you were worried about, rather than the process.

675 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:31:50am

re: #672 Killgore Trout

I you don't call for a boycott I don't think you should be held responsible for it.

But my words have still spurred others on to take action themselves. Even if I don't say the word "boycott," if one springs up, am I responsible?

676 Kragar  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:31:55am

re: #673 Simply Sarah

Forgive me Mother Earth, for I have sinned.
/

Needs more nude drum circles.

677 bubba zanetti  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:31:55am

re: #626 Kragar

Romney’s Latest Clean Energy Attack: ‘You Can’t Drive A Car With A Windmill On It’

I guess he hasn't seen those "Downwind Faster Than The Wind" videos.

678 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:32:07am

re: #671 Kragar

Now that you mention it...

Fischer: Gays Already Have Marriage Equality, Want Special Rights

Yeah I see the special rights claim alot. It's complete shit.

679 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:32:36am

re: #671 Kragar

Now that you mention it...

Fischer: Gays Already Have Marriage Equality, Want Special Rights

A black women already has the right to marry whomever she wants, so long as it's a black guy!

680 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:33:21am

re: #660 Killgore Trout

If the owners of Hot Air decided to change their editorial policy, which they did, then that was their choice. My action was speaking up. I didn't try to apply financial pressure to coerce them into doing anything they didn't want to do.

There was no way for you to know that the pressure you applied would not have a financial impact.

681 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:33:32am

re: #676 Kragar

Needs more nude drum circles.

I think I could get behind that!

682 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:33:47am

Zombie bin Laden got a new cable show. That's cool. He's offensive but it's up the media company and advertisers to decide what to do about him. They should be the ones to decide whether to fire him or not. Not some organized boycott. I just don't watch that show.

//

683 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:33:52am

re: #678 HappyWarrior

Yeah I see the special rights claim alot. It's complete shit.

Currently, gay people can marry anyone they want, as long as it's someone of the opposite gender.

After gay marriage passes everywhere, straight people will have had their rights expanded, because they too will be able to marry a person of the same gender.

All we want is to have more rights for straight people. Is that so wrong?

684 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:35:09am

re: #674 Saint Putin on a Toast

But this undermines your free speech argument. The effect is the same: advertisers drop him because of societal pressure. That it's not explicit but implicit doesn't change the end result in the slightest, and it's the end result you were worried about, rather than the process.

I don't think it undermines my argument at all. If companies want to advertise or not is their decision. I oppose the effort to pressure companies. All they really care about is the bottom line and they are too easily spooked by activists. It doesn't make much difference how valid the activists claims are. All that matters to the company is the volume of calls. Anyone with enough spare time to harass advertisers can get someone fired.

685 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:35:38am

re: #684 Killgore Trout

I don't think it undermines my argument at all. If companies want to advertise or not is their decision. I oppose the effort to pressure companies. All they really care about is the bottom line and they are too easily spooked by activists. It doesn't make much difference how valid the activists claims are. All that matters to the company is the volume of calls. Anyone with enough spare time to harass advertisers can get someone fired.

Ron Paul!

686 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:35:47am

re: #662 Gus

Right. So it's OK for a company to fire an employer over offensive content but the public can't pressure companies into firing someone over offensive content. IOW, we basically have a sort of corporate supremacy at work here. The public should wait for corporations to make those decisions and the public should play no part in pressuring these companies.

Which also wouldn't work. People engaging in advertising want to know if it's working. If they don't get feedback, they call you up and ask you.

Killgore has dodged the question of what you should do in that case-- or, even, if you should let the politics of advertising affect your purchasing.

687 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:35:55am

re: #680 wrenchwench

There was no way for you to know that the pressure you applied would not have a financial impact.

No but financial impact was not my goal.

688 Kragar  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:36:08am

re: #681 Simply Sarah

I think I could get behind that!

GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN! I like it doggy style!

Did I say that out loud?

689 iossarian  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:36:31am

re: #683 SanFranciscoZionist

All we want is to have more rights for straight people. Is that so wrong?

O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

690 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:36:46am

re: #687 Killgore Trout

No but financial impact was not my goal.

What does your goal have to do with the results?

691 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:36:54am

re: #688 Kragar

GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN! I like it doggy style!

Did I say that out loud?

I'm afraid that if I'm behind you I can't help you much there, dear.

692 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:36:59am

re: #665 HappyWarrior

Missing in all this - Santorum came out and said that if elected President, he'd push to nullify all gay marriages, even if states passed enabling legislation to do so (so far - CT, DC, IA, MA, NH, NY, VT). Several others, like NJ have civil unions or similar language.

But how he gets there is just downright bizarre. He seems to think that he could get a constitutional amendment (75% of states) prohibiting gay marriage and defining marriage as one woman-one man, and with a growing number of states adopting gay marriage, chances for that are slipping away:

Rick Santorum says he'll try to unmarry all of them if he's elected president.

Once the U.S. Constitution is amended to prohibit same-gender marriages, "their marriage would be invalid," the former Pennsylvania senator said Dec. 30 in an NBC News interview.

"We can't have 50 different marriage laws in this country," he said. "You have to have one marriage law."

The comments didn't attract nearly as much attention as Santorum's recent invocation of his Catholic faith to denounce government support for birth control, prenatal testing and resource conservation - which, in the last case, he attributed to President Obama's "phony theology."

But his declared intention to nullify past as well as future same-sex marriages has reinforced his position to the right of the other Republican contenders, even though each of them has also voiced fervent support for traditional unions.

Fact is that the states have historically dealt with the issue at the state level - federalism is such a bore to folks like Santorum who ignore it when it suits them.

But the moment they hate something that the federal government does, they're clamoring for states' rights.

It also speaks to his cynicism. He must know that an amendment wont be happening, but his right wing/socon base ignores the sociopolitical realities and laps it up. He gets the benefit of an extremist position without fear that it may not come to pass.

693 Kragar  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:37:07am

I'm loving this.

Ohio Senate Bill Offers Male Lawmakers A Taste Of Their Own Medicine

Turner’s bill mimics language found in Ohio’s so-called Heartbeat Bill, which passed the Ohio state House and is now pending in the Senate. The bill would ban abortions once a fetal heartbeat is detected, sometimes as early as six weeks into a pregnancy. Turner’s bill, she says, offers men a taste of their own medicine — it would require physicians to inform patients in writing of the risks involved in taking erectile dysfunction drugs and requires men to sign a document acknowledging the risks, just like the anti-abortion bill does.

‘I care about the health of men as well, and I thought it only fair that we illustrate that and make sure that a man is fully informed of the risks involved in taking these drugs and also the alternatives such as natural remedies or also celibacy,’ Turner said.

694 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:37:20am

re: #687 Killgore Trout

No but financial impact was not my goal.

Right. Change in their behavior, I believe, was your goal.

In other cases, the only way to effect a change in behavior is to have a financial impact.

695 iossarian  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:37:41am

re: #691 Simply Sarah

I'm afraid that if I'm behind you I can't help you much there, dear.

strap-on nm

696 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:38:38am

re: #692 lawhawk

Missing in all this - Santorum came out and said that if elected President, he'd push to nullify all gay marriages, even if states passed enabling legislation to do so (so far - CT, DC, IA, MA, NH, NY, VT). Several others, like NJ have civil unions or similar language.

But how he gets there is just downright bizarre. He seems to think that he could get a constitutional amendment (75% of states) prohibiting gay marriage and defining marriage as one woman-one man, and with a growing number of states adopting gay marriage, chances for that are slipping away:

Fact is that the states have historically dealt with the issue at the state level - federalism is such a bore to folks like Santorum who ignore it when it suits them.

But the moment they hate something that the federal government does, they're clamoring for states' rights.

It also speaks to his cynicism. He must know that an amendment wont be happening, but his right wing/socon base ignores the sociopolitical realities and laps it up. He gets the benefit of an extremist position without fear that it may not come to pass.

The one way I can see such an amendment being adopted at this point would be if the Supreme Court ruled in the next few years that all states and the federal government much allow same-sex marriage. Short of that, it probably isn't happening.

697 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:38:49am

re: #690 Targetpractice

What does your goal have to do with the results?

I didn't intend to hurt Hot Air financially or get anyone fired. They are doing quite well and everybody kept their job. I fully support their right to have a website and manage it as they see fit.

698 Kragar  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:38:58am

re: #692 lawhawk

Missing in all this - Santorum came out and said that if elected President, he'd push to nullify all gay marriages, even if states passed enabling legislation to do so (so far - CT, DC, IA, MA, NH, NY, VT). Several others, like NJ have civil unions or similar language.

But how he gets there is just downright bizarre. He seems to think that he could get a constitutional amendment (75% of states) prohibiting gay marriage and defining marriage as one woman-one man, and with a growing number of states adopting gay marriage, chances for that are slipping away:

Fact is that the states have historically dealt with the issue at the state level - federalism is such a bore to folks like Santorum who ignore it when it suits them.

But the moment they hate something that the federal government does, they're clamoring for states' rights.

It also speaks to his cynicism. He must know that an amendment wont be happening, but his right wing/socon base ignores the sociopolitical realities and laps it up. He gets the benefit of an extremist position without fear that it may not come to pass.

STATES RIGHTS! Unless they're a bunch of Godless heathens who need a strong Federal Government to guide them to righteousness.

699 Amory Blaine  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:39:33am

Bahhh Bahhhh

700 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:39:39am

re: #695 iossarian

strap-on nm

Well sure, but there would need to be something in it for me, too. ;)

701 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:40:01am

re: #692 lawhawk

Missing in all this - Santorum came out and said that if elected President, he'd push to nullify all gay marriages, even if states passed enabling legislation to do so (so far - CT, DC, IA, MA, NH, NY, VT). Several others, like NJ have civil unions or similar language.

But how he gets there is just downright bizarre. He seems to think that he could get a constitutional amendment (75% of states) prohibiting gay marriage and defining marriage as one woman-one man, and with a growing number of states adopting gay marriage, chances for that are slipping away:

Fact is that the states have historically dealt with the issue at the state level - federalism is such a bore to folks like Santorum who ignore it when it suits them.

But the moment they hate something that the federal government does, they're clamoring for states' rights.

It also speaks to his cynicism. He must know that an amendment wont be happening, but his right wing/socon base ignores the sociopolitical realities and laps it up. He gets the benefit of an extremist position without fear that it may not come to pass.

I heard about this. Santorum's a jackass.

702 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:40:08am

re: #615 Varek Raith

KT, do you not see how contradictory you are being?

Of course he does. The point is to be contradictory. Extreme isolationist libertarianism is not only self-contradictory, but so removed from reality as to be unworthy of consideration as an idea. Furthermore, KT has never espoused anything even vaguely similar before.

The point is to contradict the majority of posters. In other words, trolling, in the classical sense. I think that's okay, though. I believe a certain amount of trolling is actually good for forums like this one.

703 Kragar  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:40:28am

re: #700 Simply Sarah

Well sure, but there would need to be something in it for me, too. ;)

You haven't seen the newer models...

I'm sharing too much again, I think.

704 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:40:34am

re: #689 iossarian

O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me!

705 iossarian  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:40:39am

re: #700 Simply Sarah

Well sure, but there would need to be something in it for me, too. ;)

Sigh. A strap-on and a box of chocolates then.

706 Big Steve  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:41:08am

re: #693 Kragar

I'm loving this.

Ohio Senate Bill Offers Male Lawmakers A Taste Of Their Own Medicine

Well my doctor is female and kind of attractive so this discussion.....well I might enjoy it.

707 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:41:30am

re: #703 Kragar

You haven't seen the newer models...

I'm sharing too much again, I think.

Oh please. In my book you haven't even started to share enough. (I know, I'm terrible)

708 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:41:35am

Corporations over people.

Got it.

709 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:41:49am

re: #702 Renaissance_Man

Furthermore, KT has never espoused anything even vaguely similar before.

That's not true. I was very critical of Glenn Beck when he was on the air but I never supported the advertiser boycott of his show.

710 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:42:25am

re: #697 Killgore Trout

I didn't intend to hurt Hot Air financially or get anyone fired. They are doing quite well and everybody kept their job. I fully support their right to have a website and manage it as they see fit.

And yet, your goal was to see something you disagreed with addressed. Why did you speak up against it if the posters on Hot Air had no problem with it? Why not simply close the page and go elsewhere?

711 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:43:12am

I was very critical of Jim Crow laws when they were in effect but I never supported the advertiser boycott of entities that enforced Jim Crow laws.

//

712 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:43:26am

[Link: www.addictinginfo.org...]
This is a strange comment by Mrs. Romney.

713 Amory Blaine  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:44:17am

re: #708 Gus

Corporations over people.

Got it.

On Monday, Limbaugh addressed the advertisers leaving his show.

"They decided they don't want you or your business anymore," he said. "This program is always about you... I knew the political inclinations of these people. They didn't care that they were profiting, and I didn't either. No radio broadcast country will succeed by putting business ahead of the needs of its loyal audience citizens."

714 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:44:26am

re: #684 Killgore Trout

Again, the reason you don't want this to happen is because it supposedly castrates [my term] the freedom of speech, i.e. it's legally there but is stifled by societal pressure.

I think if you're consistent, you will see that this general concern then applies wider than the specific case of spooking the advertisers by bulk calls. It may be true that it's easy to spook them by explicit pressure. For this reason you do not approve of calling campaigns.

However, it is also true that advertisers will be spooked by campaigns elsewhere in the media. If they see signs of impropriety, they may still drop the person. That this may happen slower or with a lesser probability does not refute the comparison: it's still the same qualitatively, tho it may differ quantitatively.

So if one opposes explicit calling/writing campaigns because of the concern for castrating the free speech principle, and one is consistent, then one must also oppose any negative "exposure campaigns" in the media. And from here the slope becomes extra-slippery.

715 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:44:28am

re: #710 Targetpractice

And yet, your goal was to see something you disagreed with addressed. Why did you speak up against it if the posters on Hot Air had no problem with it? Why not simply close the page and go elsewhere?

There's nothing wrong with speaking up. I encourage it. I don't endorse applying financial pressure or trying to get people fired.

717 iossarian  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:44:37am

Godwin corollary: as the number of comments tends to infinity, the likelihood of the conversation describing a cheesy porno plot tends to one.

718 jamesfirecat  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:45:13am

re: #712 HappyWarrior

[Link: www.addictinginfo.org...]
This is a strange comment by Mrs. Romney.

"“We can be poor in spirit, and I don’t even consider myself wealthy, which is an interesting thing, it can be here today and gone tomorrow.”


Tell you what Mrs. Romney I consider myself rich in spirit, how about you pay me a couple million dollars and then I can make you as rich in spirit as I am, promise!

719 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:45:41am

re: #712 HappyWarrior

[Link: www.addictinginfo.org...]
This is a strange comment by Mrs. Romney.

She should give it ALL away, just for the sake of comparison.

720 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:45:48am

Corporate freedom and autonomy is sacrosanct and holds supremacy over the actions of the citizenry.

//

721 Amory Blaine  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:45:55am

re: #717 iossarian

Godwin corollary: as the number of comments tends to infinity, the likelihood of the conversation describing a cheesy porno plot tends to one.

Go on...

722 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:46:32am

re: #715 Killgore Trout

There's nothing wrong with speaking up. I encourage it. I don't endorse applying financial pressure or trying to get people fired.

But if I don't apply that pressure or try to get people fired, just speaking up, then should I feel guilty if pressure is applied or people fired?

723 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:47:01am

re: #715 Killgore Trout

There's nothing wrong with speaking up. I encourage it. I don't endorse applying financial pressure or trying to get people fired.

There is no difference between 'speaking up' and 'applying financial pressure'.

724 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:47:16am

Free-market-Jesus will take care of Rush Limbaugh.

//

725 Amory Blaine  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:47:43am

re: #723 wrenchwench

There is no difference between 'speaking up' and 'applying financial pressure'.

Money is speech.


America Fuck Yeah!!!

726 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:47:47am

re: #714 Saint Putin on a Toast

So if one opposes explicit calling/writing campaigns because of the concern for castrating the free speech principle, and one is consistent, then one must also oppose anynegative "exposure campaigns" in the media.

I fully support speaking up, I generally don't support advertiser boycotts. They are two different things. They are not the same. I don't know how many different ways I can say it.

727 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:48:00am

re: #715 Killgore Trout

So the people calling up the advertisers, saying they're mad as hell, that this all fucking sucks, that Rush is a dick and that they find it fucking terrible that the advertisers are advertising with them-- but don't mention that they won't buy the advertisers product, even though that'll obviously be the advertisers take, that'd be fine?

You just can't mention that you won't buy their product?

What if they ask?

Preduction: Question dodge.

728 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:48:18am

No wait! But the free-market doesn't include citizens. They're supposed to shut up and sit down and let this nebulous all knowing free-market run its course.

I love the smell of apathy in the morning.

//

729 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:48:23am

re: #722 Targetpractice

But if I don't apply that pressure or try to get people fired, just speaking up, then should I feel guilty if pressure is applied or people fired?

That's up to you. I'm not going to tell you how to feel.

730 iossarian  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:48:27am

re: #721 Amory Blaine

Go on...

It's already done and dusted. You'll have to go elsewhere for your thrillz I'm afraid.

re: #712 HappyWarrior

[Link: www.addictinginfo.org...]
This is a strange comment by Mrs. Romney.

Unbelievable. The only person in the world more out of touch than Romney turns out to be married to him.

What are the odds?

731 b_sharp  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:48:48am

re: #691 Simply Sarah

I'm afraid that if I'm behind you I can't help you much there, dear.

The devil is in the details.

732 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:48:50am

re: #718 jamesfirecat

"“We can be poor in spirit, and I don’t even consider myself wealthy, which is an interesting thing, it can be here today and gone tomorrow.”

Tell you what Mrs. Romney I consider myself rich in spirit, how about you pay me a couple million dollars and then I can make you as rich in spirit as I am, promise!

If they were poor in spirit, she wouldn't have two Cadillacs. I mean shit man I don't care that they're wealthy but both and her husband have this huge arrogance about their wealth.

733 calochortus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:48:55am

re: #712 HappyWarrior

[Link: www.addictinginfo.org...]
This is a strange comment by Mrs. Romney.

Apparently it is code as to why God loves the wealthy if they are submissive to the church. From Daily Kos

734 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:49:17am

re: #726 Killgore Trout

I fully support speaking up, I generally don't support advertiser boycotts. They are two different things. They are not the same. I don't know how many different ways I can say it.

So people can "speak up" but they're not entitled to collective action?

735 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:49:20am

re: #727 Obdicut

So the people calling up the advertisers, saying they're mad as hell, that this all fucking sucks, that Rush is a dick and that they find it fucking terrible that the advertisers are advertising with them-- but don't mention that they won't buy the advertisers product, even though that'll obviously be the advertisers take, that'd be fine?

You just can't mention that you won't buy their product?

What if they ask?

Preduction: Question dodge.

It's your right to call them up and pressure them if you want to.

736 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:49:26am

re: #729 Killgore Trout

That's up to you. I'm not going to tell you how to feel.

No, you'll just sit here and guilt-trip the fuck out of us because we don't agree with you.

737 Kragar  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:49:34am
738 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:50:13am

OK workers. You can speak up about how bad the working conditions are in this factory is but that's it. If you form some kind of collective action then you're all fired.

//

739 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:50:28am

re: #737 Kragar

Limbaugh Bemoans Uppity ‘Overeducated’ Single Women

He's got a problem with women. It's a wonder that any woman agreed to marry his sorry ass.

740 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:50:42am

re: #715 Killgore Trout

There's nothing wrong with speaking up. I encourage it. I don't endorse applying financial pressure or trying to get people fired.

But then your explanation of why you oppose the active measures does not hold water. Yesterday you explained it as a concern for undermining of the free speech principle by societal pressure. I've shown above that then you must also be against "speaking up", since it's also a form of pressure that spooks advertisers. If you're for one thing, but not another, then the "undermining free speech principle" explanation doesn't work.
Why, then do you oppose the "silencing" of bad guys?

741 Amory Blaine  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:50:54am

re: #738 Gus

OK workers. You can speak up about how bad the working condition in this factory is but that's it. If you form some kind of collective action then you're all fired.

//

Is that you Scott Walker?

742 calochortus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:51:10am

re: #737 Kragar

Thank heavens I'm an uppity, overeducated married woman. Makes all the difference.

743 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:51:26am

re: #723 wrenchwench

There is no difference between 'speaking up' and 'applying financial pressure'.

I disagree. The first clue is that the two statements are spelled differently and contain different words. The two statements are not synonymous. It's just a grammatical reality.

744 iossarian  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:51:53am

re: #740 Saint Putin on a Toast

Why, then do you oppose the "silencing" of bad guys?

LIBERAL ACTIVITY DETECTED MUST OPPOSE

745 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:51:57am

re: #726 Killgore Trout

I fully support speaking up, I generally don't support advertiser boycotts. They are two different things. They are not the same. I don't know how many different ways I can say it.

Dear Corporation X,

I know you advertise on "KKK Baby Eaters and Fag Killers" and I think that show is entirely beyond the pale, but I just wanted you to know that I'm OK with it! Keep on giving money to whomever you like! Why should I care where the money I spend on your goods and/or services goes? Just thought you should know.

Regards,
KT

746 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:52:03am

Well when should an en entity be financially pressured?

747 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:52:08am

re: #735 Killgore Trout

It's your right to call them up and pressure them if you want to.

I didn't ask if it was my right, so yeah, you dodged the question.

You said:

There's nothing wrong with speaking up. I encourage it.

So, again, if someone calls the advertisers, tells them that they think advertising with Rush sucks because of the hateful things he says, but they don't say they won't buy the advertiser's products, is that okay? Or is there some nuance of speech repression there we're missing out on?

748 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:52:31am

OK Russians. You can speak up about Putin but don't organize and form collective actions. Keep doing business with companies that support Putin.

//

749 Sionainn  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:53:06am

re: #736 Targetpractice

No, you'll just sit here and try to guilt-trip the fuck out of us because we don't agree with you.

FTFY.

I don't feel one little bit guilty about the speaking out and emails I have sent regarding my disgust about Limbaugh.

750 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:53:44am

No community organizing either.

//

751 iossarian  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:53:51am

Now see here, black South Africans. You can speak up in support of Nelson Mandela all you like, but if you threaten to stop buying food produced by white-owned farms, well, that's where I draw the line.

752 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:54:55am

If a bank in your neighborhood doesn't give loans to blacks that's life. Don't organize a group to put financial pressure on them to change. Just wait for free-market-Jesus to fix things.

//

753 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:55:14am

re: #737 Kragar

Limbaugh Bemoans Uppity ‘Overeducated’ Single Women

At which point do we become over-educated? Associates? Bachelors? Masters? Doctorate? Maybe just by finishing high school?

754 Amory Blaine  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:55:24am

re: #752 Gus

It's only civilized./

755 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:55:33am

re: #751 iossarian

Now see here, black South Africans. You can speak up in support of Nelson Mandela all you like, but if you threaten to stop buying food produced by white-owned farms, well, that's where I draw the line.

Bingo!

Yeah, boycotting South Africa. Pfft. I tell ya' what that was so overrated.

//

756 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:55:35am

re: #718 jamesfirecat

"“We can be poor in spirit, and I don’t even consider myself wealthy, which is an interesting thing, it can be here today and gone tomorrow.”

Tell you what Mrs. Romney I consider myself rich in spirit, how about you pay me a couple million dollars and then I can make you as rich in spirit as I am, promise!

A pretty sure sign of not being poor in spirit is the inability to notice that you are temporally wealthy, and that that places obligations upon you.

One of them is not to talk as though your money is just passing through, and you hardly notice that it's there.

757 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:55:56am

re: #754 Amory Blaine

It's only civilized./

Care for some tea and crumpets?

//

758 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:56:24am

re: #740 Saint Putin on a Toast

Why, then do you oppose the "silencing" of bad guys?

Because I like living in a society confident enough to allow hateful speech and ideas. I'm glad the Klan and Westobough Baptists are free to spew hate out in the open. I'm glad I can draw blasphemous cartoons, burn a flag or piss on a cross if I want to.

759 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:56:44am

Gandhi should have gone all out and done nothing at all. Just make speeches.

//

760 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:57:12am

Israel should have just accepted British supremacy.

//

761 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:57:18am

To distill it:
both explicit campaigning - calling/writing the advertisers - and implicit campaigning - publishing the negative information in the media - are geared towards one aim. It's the methods that differ, the goal is the same.

Since KT's concern is the goal itself, why then is the objection about the method?

762 Kragar  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:57:37am

re: #753 Simply Sarah

At which point do we become over-educated? Associates? Bachelors? Masters? Doctorate? Maybe just by finishing high school?

When you decide that you maybe want to live your own life, get pregnant when you think you're ready, and stop obeying men.

763 iossarian  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:58:24am

re: #758 Killgore Trout

Because I like living in a society confident enough to allow hateful speech and ideas.

Has it ever crossed your mind that this might have something to do with the fact that it isn't your ass that gets dragged along a dirt road behind a pick-up truck while your family flees the smoldering ruin of your home?

764 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:58:27am

re: #762 Kragar

When you decide that you maybe want to live your own life, get pregnant when you think you're ready, and stop obeying men.

So...maybe the first year of college?

765 Amory Blaine  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:58:27am

re: #757 Gus

You are too forward sir!

Image: daily-mail-reader.jpg

766 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:58:36am

re: #743 Killgore Trout

I disagree. The first clue is that the two statements are spelled differently and contain different words. The two statements are not synonymous. It's just a grammatical reality.

In the real world, the only reason speaking up has any impact at all is because of the potential for financial consequences.

You may be having difficulty with grammatical reality today. And manners.

767 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:58:43am

re: #758 Killgore Trout

Because I like living in a society confident enough to allow hateful speech and ideas. I'm glad the Klan and Westobough Baptists are free to spew hate out in the open. I'm glad I can draw blasphemous cartoons, burn a flag or piss on a cross if I want to.

?
That's a switch to a topic of legality, which we're not discussing. Can you please revisit my question without the recourse to this switch?

768 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:58:51am

re: #747 Obdicut

I didn't ask if it was my right, so yeah, you dodged the question.

You said:

So, again, if someone calls the advertisers, tells them that they think advertising with Rush sucks because of the hateful things he says, but they don't say they won't buy the advertiser's products, is that okay? Or is there some nuance of speech repression there we're missing out on?

That's perfectly acceptable free speech.

769 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:59:20am

re: #761 Saint Putin on a Toast


He's also changed his argument at least three times, from saying that it's about silencing views, to saying it's about people being fired, to saying it's about the right of the audience to hear the programs, etc., and keeps going around and around in there.

I'm beginning to think it is just trolling, but it's always hard to tell given that smart people can bullshit themselves effectively too.

He just switches between societal and legal and economic whenever it'll best confuse the argument, though, and that seems pretty purposeful.

770 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:59:57am

re: #768 Killgore Trout

That's perfectly acceptable free speech.

And it's what you encourage, right, since you encourage speaking up?

771 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:01:40am

First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because you should keep your mouth shut.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because you should keep your mouth shut.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because you should keep your mouth shut.
Then they came for me...

772 iossarian  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:01:43am

"I like living in a society where people express hateful ideas."

-- a delusional white man

773 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:01:55am

re: #770 Obdicut

And it's what you encourage, right, since you encourage speaking up?

Write an essay, post on a blog. Speak up all you want but I generally don't support advertiser boycotts or attempts to get people fired.
I really get the feeling I'm repeating myself.

774 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:03:16am

re: #773 Killgore Trout

Write an essay, post on a blog. Speak up all you want but I generally don't support advertiser boycotts or attempts to get people fired.
I really get the feeling I'm repeating myself.

What about public officials?

775 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:03:28am

re: #773 Killgore Trout

I really get the feeling I'm repeating myself.

And it's not helping your case in the slightest.

776 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:04:10am

re: #773 Killgore Trout

Write an essay, post on a blog. Speak up all you want but I generally don't support advertiser boycotts or attempts to get people fired.
I really get the feeling I'm repeating myself.

That's almost equivalent to the infamous sternly worded letter from the UN.

//

777 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:04:26am

re: #773 Killgore Trout

Write an essay, post on a blog. Speak up all you want but I generally don't support advertiser boycotts or attempts to get people fired.
I really get the feeling I'm repeating myself.

That's because you keep dodging the question, dude.

You encourage people speaking up-- so, does that, or does that not include actually calling the advertiser, telling them you heard their ad on a radio program that spouts hatred, and you think that's shitty behavior on their part?

Is that speaking up you support, or is it somehow fucking better, for some abstruse reason, for them to post an essay online instead so that it's an indirect communication?

778 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:04:50am

re: #776 Gus

That's almost equivalent to the infamous sternly worded letter from the UN.

//

But not too stern. That would be bad.
/

779 Kragar  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:04:51am

Allen West: ‘Willing and ready’ to be vice president

Rep. Allen West said Tuesday he is “always willing and ready to serve my country” when asked about a potential vice presidential bid — a job Sarah Palin recently said he should be considered for.

“As far as the vice president thing, you know, who knows what the future lies because it wasn’t too long ago, you know, I was sitting in the desert of Kandahar, Afghanistan, and now I’m here talking with you,” the Florida Republican told CNN’s Soledad O’Brien. “But, you know, I am always willing and ready to serve my country in whatever capacity that the American people would desire.”

Eat a bag of dicks West.

780 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:05:06am

re: #773 Killgore Trout

Write an essay, post on a blog. Speak up all you want but I generally don't support advertiser boycotts or attempts to get people fired.
I really get the feeling I'm repeating myself.

Your position is inconsistent, that's why you're getting grilled. You claim to oppose the goal (the social silencing of someone), but object only to a certain method of such silencing, but not to the rest of them.

781 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:05:46am

re: #779 Kragar

Allen West: ‘Willing and ready’ to be vice president

Eat a bag of dicks West.

Vice War Criminal West reporting for duty!

782 Amory Blaine  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:05:48am

re: #779 Kragar

Ranch Style.

783 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:06:45am

re: #779 Kragar

Allen West: ‘Willing and ready’ to be vice president

Eat a bag of dicks West.

Has West done anything in Congress other than make a complete ass out of himself? I guess that means he's qualified in Palin's mind.

784 Lidane  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:07:43am

re: #780 Saint Putin on a Toast

Your position is inconsistent, that's why you're getting grilled. You claim to oppose the goal (the social silencing of someone), but object only to a certain method of such silencing, but not to the rest of them.

And even then, it's all so hypocritical.

Write an essay, post on a blog. Speak up all you want unless it's in ways he doesn't agree with. It's all a bunch of passive-aggressive bullshit where people can have an opinion, they just can't DO anything with that opinion.

785 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:08:23am

César Chávez anyone?

786 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:10:02am

re: #785 Gus

César Chávez anyone?

Dear Mr. Chávez:

You were wrong to call for the grape boycott. What we should have done instead was started a letter writing campaign to the grape growers and agribusiness.

Cheers!

Gus

787 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:10:30am

re: #774 Gus

What about public officials?

Interesting question. You may have to help me out with a hypothetical example.

788 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:11:06am

While we're at it. Why even bother having economic boycotts which aka embargoes.

//

789 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:12:28am

re: #784 Lidane

And even then, it's all so hypocritical.

Write an essay, post on a blog. Speak up all you want unless it's in ways he doesn't agree with. It's all a bunch of passive-aggressive bullshit where people can have an opinion, they just can't DO anything with that opinion.

"I'm not saying you're wrong for thinking that way, just wrong for thinking that you should do anything about it!"

790 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:12:32am

re: #787 Killgore Trout

Interesting question. You may have to help me out with a hypothetical example.

Bad example. Doesn't work. I'll take it back. Was thinking about getting James Watt in which all the efforts to get his ass fired didn't really work until he fucked up on his own.

791 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:13:00am

re: #780 Saint Putin on a Toast

Your position is inconsistent, that's why you're getting grilled. You claim to oppose the goal (the social silencing of someone), but object only to a certain method of such silencing, but not to the rest of them.

I'll say it again: I supporting speaking up and criticizing someone's ideas. I don't support efforts to financially pressure someone into agreeing with me.

792 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:13:16am

re: #786 Gus

Dear Mr. Chávez:

You were wrong to call for the grape boycott. What we should have done instead was started a letter writing campaign to the grape growers and agribusiness.

Cheers!

Gus

Oh, man. All the grapes I didn't eat... You have no idea...

793 iossarian  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:13:24am

re: #788 Gus

While we're at it. Why even bother having economic boycotts which aka embargoes.

Why do you want to stop my shipment of goods to these oppressed people? Please, next time, consider writing me a letter of disapproval, rather than dispatching highly trained military operatives?

794 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:14:53am

re: #791 Killgore Trout

I'll say it again: I supporting speaking up and criticizing someone's ideas. I don't support efforts to financially pressure someone into agreeing with me.

Yes. That's what I wrote in the comment you're replying to. That's simply a repetition of your inconsistent position.

795 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:14:59am

re: #793 iossarian

Why do you want to stop my shipment of goods to these oppressed people? Please, next time, consider writing me a letter of disapproval, rather than dispatching highly trained military operatives?

We shouldn't boycott Iran into having them stop nuclear weapons development. We should just write letters of protest to them. Then if that doesn't work we'll blow them up!

//

796 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:15:07am

re: #790 Gus

Bad example. Doesn't work. I'll take it back. Was thinking about getting James Watt in which all the efforts to get his ass fired didn't really work until he fucked up on his own.

Ok, I wasn't sure where you were headed. Public officials and radio talk show hosts are pretty different animals. I couldn't think of a good example to compare them.

797 Gus  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:16:08am

The boycott continues. I hope Limbaugh feels the sting for once in his life. Including seeing Clear Channel suspends his show. Screw him.

Boycotts are indeed relative and subjective but it's still a form of speech.

Heading up two floors.

798 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:16:42am

re: #795 Gus

We shouldn't boycott Iran into having them stop nuclear weapons development. We should just write letters of protest to them. Then if that doesn't work we'll blow them up!

//

I don't see the sanctions against Iran's nuclear program as a free speech issue.

799 Amory Blaine  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:17:38am

re: #795 Gus

1. Sternly worded letter

2. Invasion

3. ?

4. Profit!!!

800 Lidane  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:21:18am

re: #791 Killgore Trout

I'll say it again: I supporting speaking up and criticizing someone's ideas. I don't support efforts to financially pressure someone into agreeing with me.

Great. So the United States should lift all trade sanctions, tariffs, embargos, and financial blocks that we have on other countries and on terrorist organizations, right?

After all, we're applying financial pressure on people to do what we want.

801 Lidane  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:22:34am

re: #798 Killgore Trout

I don't see the sanctions against Iran's nuclear program as a free speech issue.

But it's financial pressure to get Iran to agree with us, which is something you claim to have a problem with.

Or are you saying you don't have any consistent principles here?

802 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:24:42am

re: #723 wrenchwench

There is no difference between 'speaking up' and 'applying financial pressure'.

Exactly, us Citizens should Unite and push financial (money is speech) pressure.

803 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:25:44am

re: #726 Killgore Trout

I fully support speaking up, I generally don't support advertiser boycotts. They are two different things. They are not the same. I don't know how many different ways I can say it.

Try quoting the Citizens United ruling.

804 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:43:44am

re: #762 Kragar

When you decide that you maybe want to live your own life, get pregnant when you think you're ready, and stop obeying men and go and become a food stamp grabbing drain on society.

ftfy. Added the Santorum Amendment.

805 William of Orange  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 12:22:31pm

Overall we can say, internet; it's a blessing and a curse.

The curse is that it brings out the worst in people. Too many people get a platform in a way we don't like. Anyone can say anything and there's nothing stopping them, unless the cross the bounderies of the law. It's free speech up until some point.

The blessing is that people can unite against said comments. And this is what we see lately. Too many times the liberals were on the recieving end, only reporting what the conservative side said and little action after that. Now there's twitter and other ways to drain the right of the thing that drives them: money.

And let's face it, this also works the other way around...

806 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 1:41:35pm

re: #737 Kragar

Limbaugh Bemoans Uppity ‘Overeducated’ Single Women

I'm uppity and overeducated, but married. Is that OK?

807 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 1:45:50pm

re: #758 Killgore Trout

Because I like living in a society confident enough to allow hateful speech and ideas. I'm glad the Klan and Westobough Baptists are free to spew hate out in the open. I'm glad I can draw blasphemous cartoons, burn a flag or piss on a cross if I want to.

That's a right granted to all Americans by the Bill of Rights.

However, Rush is not being told he cannot speak. Rush is being told that we are mad at him, and don't want to help pay his enormous salary anymore.

808 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 6, 2012 1:47:14pm

re: #773 Killgore Trout

Write an essay, post on a blog. Speak up all you want but I generally don't support advertiser boycotts or attempts to get people fired.
I really get the feeling I'm repeating myself.

You are. However, I'm still not convinced that Rush Limbaugh's job is sacred.


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