Unprecedented: 98 Major Advertisers Bail on Rush Limbaugh

Limbaugh’s misogynistic binge costs him dearly

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In an unprecedented exodus, Rush Limbaugh has now lost 98 major advertisers. And it’s apparently becoming contagious for some other right wing talk show hosts with similar levels of vitriol.

Industry website radio-info.com has the scoop:

When it comes to advertisers avoiding controversial shows, it’s not just Rush From today’s TRI Newsletter: Premiere Networks is circulating a list of 98 advertisers who want to avoid “environments likely to stir negative sentiments.” The list includes carmakers (Ford, GM, Toyota), insurance companies (Allstate, Geico, Prudential, State Farm) and restaurants (McDonald’s, Subway). As you’ll see in the note below, those “environments” go beyond the Rush Limbaugh show.

“To all Traffic Managers: The information below applies to your Premiere Radio Networks commercial inventory…They’ve specifically asked that you schedule their commercials in dayparts or programs free of content that you know are deemed to be offensive or controversial (for example, Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, Tom Leykis, Michael Savage, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity).’

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253 comments

Targetpractice Sat, Mar 10, 2012 2:57:12pm

Really do find myself wondering how long Clear Channel is gonna let him keep this up. Their cash cow has become a money pit.

blueraven Sat, Mar 10, 2012 2:58:48pm

Maybe this will help clean up the cesspool that has become talk radio, and this should include some on the left as well.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 10, 2012 2:58:50pm

Heh. Political cartoonist Lalo Alcaraz has Limbaugh's number.

boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 2:59:17pm

And so it begins......

Youtube Video

This is potentially the end of talk radio as we know it.

boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 2:59:56pm

re: #3 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Heh. Political cartoonist Lalo Alcaraz has Limbaugh's number.

link broken.

lone_wolf_in_illinois Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:00:34pm

Enjoy! One of the most talented musicians.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:02:09pm

re: #5 boxhead

Dang. Try this one.

boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:02:37pm

re: #7 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

LOL.... nice

sagehen Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:04:09pm

re: #4 boxhead

And so it begins...

[Embedded content]This is potentially the end of talk radio as we know it.

Youtube Video

allegro Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:05:51pm

re: #2 blueraven

Maybe this will help clean up the cesspool that has become talk radio, and this should include some on the left as well.

You are so intolerant!

//so many //

boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:06:30pm

re: #9 sagehen

I like that one too.... In fact that was the one I was looking for... LOL

sagehen Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:06:50pm

If wingnut radio goes off the air, Obama wins in a landslide -- it's taken all their effort, nonstop vitriol 24-7 for 3-1/2 years running, to keep his approval ratings mostly in the high 40's (edging up over 50 since the Republican Idol episodes have been televised).

Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:09:22pm

Free fucking market.

dragonfire1981 Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:09:29pm

And the stupid ridiculous thing is, rather than say, take a hard look at themselves in the mirror and rethink some of what they say, the right will just prattle on about "persecution from the communist left" etc. etc. etc.

CuriousLurker Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:09:36pm

re: #2 blueraven

Maybe this will help clean up the cesspool that has become talk radio, and this should include some on the left as well.

Agreed. We, as a society, can define what we consider acceptable public discourse—not what someone has a constitutional right to say (or not say), but what we're willing to reward financially.

It's business. If I own Acme Widgets, Inc. and provide a great product & stellar customer service, people are going to flock to my company. If, OTOH, my salespeople start treating customers rudely and/or the quality of my product starts to slip, then people will take their $$ elsewhere. As the owner of Acme Widgets, I can either read the writing on the wall and try to improve things, or continue on the road I'm on and eventually go out of business.

It's not a free speech issue, it's a business issue. Everyone has a choice.

Cap'n Magic Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:09:42pm

Sleep Train wants back on Rush's show, but, according to some Yahoo opinion-cum-news writer, El Rushbo ain't taking him back.

engineer cat Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:14:27pm

limbaugh has been spouting shit three hours a day, five days a week, for over twenty years now

you had to figure sooner or later he would say something so rancid that nobody could fail to be fatally offended

_RememberTonyC Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:15:34pm

Here is a moderate conservative radio show that will educate you and provide context on many complex issues ...

[Link: wabcradio.com...]

John Batchelor is ALWAYS a good listen.

boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:16:38pm

re: #17 engineer cat

limbaugh has been spouting shit three hours a day, five days a week, for over twenty years now

you had to figure sooner or later he would say something so rancid that nobody could fail to be fatally offended

Truthfully, I am surprised that this was it. I thought he was invincible. Who knew. I feel better about the state of our public discourse.

blueraven Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:18:25pm

re: #15 CuriousLurker

Agreed. We, as a society, can define what we consider acceptable public discourse—not what someone has a constitutional right to say (or not say), but what we're willing to reward financially.

It's business. If I own Acme Widgets, Inc. and provide a great product & stellar customer service, people are going to flock to my company. If, OTOH, my salespeople start treating customers rudely and/or the quality of my product starts to slip, then people will take their $$ elsewhere. As the owner of Acme Widgets, I can either read the writing on the wall and try to improve things, or continue on the road I'm on and eventually go out of business.

It's not a free speech issue, it's a business issue. Everyone has a choice.

And what is acceptable on talk radio today, becomes acceptable on cable news tomorrow and then main stream news, within political parties etc...It coarsens the dialogue and divides us even more.

I am all for vigorous tough and tumble debate, but this has become the politics of personal destruction, and it is ugly.

nines09 Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:20:35pm

“Environments likely to stir negative sentiments.” That is a gross understatement in Rush World. He sells hate. And for a change, business is not looking good. I will wave bye bye and smile as his dim light fades to black. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:21:34pm

re: #19 boxhead

Truthfully, I am surprised that this was it. I thought he was invincible. Who knew. I feel better about the state of our public discourse.

You get on the air and say "The President is a liar and a criminal, and plotting to destroy this country, also he chews on his toenails. Everyone who voted for him is an idiot. People who plan to vote for him again should be flogged. Boy, liberals/conservatives/Minnesotans are so dumb it makes me throw up!"

That's one thing.

Attacking a young woman with no political power, and calling her a prostitute just for giggles?

A little different.

At least I hoped so. Last night, a friend was patiently arguing on Facebook with someone of our mutual acquantaince, who had a 'how liberals see it' photo up. Sandra Fluke on one side "An unmarried woman who admits to using so much birth control she's going bankrupt." Liberals say "NOT A SLUT". The other one is Sarah Palin, and liberals, in case you were wondering, think she's a "SLUT".

The dittoheads have this one all figured out. The fact that Fluke didn't say that is entirely beside the point.

boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:21:56pm

re: #20 blueraven

I tend to agree. Vigorous, yet civil public debate is a must for a properly functioning Republic. What Talk Radio is, I cannot quite put into words, (nor wish to), but it is most certainly not civil debate.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:22:17pm

re: #21 Shine On You Crazy Diamond

I highly doubt Rush is going to disappear from the airwaves. Even if CC drops him like a hot potato, some one else will pick him up.

CuriousLurker Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:22:21pm

re: #15 CuriousLurker

I mean, the same applies in any situation, right?

If we don't like a politician, s/he gets voted out of office.

When I'm at work or dealing with clients, I know there's a certain behavior expected of me. If I cross the line I might end up jobless.

If I trash my apartment I might get evicted becuase that behavior isn't acceptable.

If I express an opinion here that people think is wrong, I'm going to get push-back. If I express the same opinion elsewhere I might not.

In all cases I'm free to behave as I choose. I'm also free to suffer the consequences of those choices.

HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:22:26pm

Good, couldn't happen to a nicer asshole.

b_sharp Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:22:52pm

re: #12 sagehen

If wingnut radio goes off the air, Obama wins in a landslide -- it's taken all their effort, nonstop vitriol 24-7 for 3-1/2 years running, to keep his approval ratings mostly in the high 40's (edging up over 50 since the Republican Idol episodes have been televised).

It'll be a win for AGW too.

boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:23:35pm

re: #22 SanFranciscoZionist

The lesson is, do not piss off women... :)

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:24:04pm

re: #22 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know one single liberal who thinks Sarah Palin is a slut. Maybe I hang out with a better class of liberals than that guy. But I doubt it.

Gus Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:25:03pm

Rush Limbaugh needs to learn that behavior has consequences. He also needs to take personal responsibility for the consequences of his behavior.

HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:25:15pm

re: #29 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I don't know one single liberal who thinks Sarah Palin is a slut. Maybe I hang out with a better class of liberals than that guy. But I doubt it.

It's probably in reference to Maher. As for Palin, I don't think she's a slut. I think she's an egomaniac who likes to spread hyberbolic bullshit though.

nines09 Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:25:29pm

re: #24 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

He's proven that hate and lies sells. Just maybe he won't have the amount of stations and money available. Then again he could just become so toxic nobody would carry him. Glenn Beck?

HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:26:06pm

re: #30 Gus

Rush Limbaugh needs to learn that behavior has consequences. He also needs to take personal responsibility for the consequences of his behavior.

Personal responsibility is only for liberals.

wrenchwench Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:26:22pm

re: #30 Gus

Rush Limbaugh needs to learn that behavior has consequences. He also needs to take personal responsibility for the consequences of his behavior.

Being a multimillionaire means never having to say 'I'm sorry'.

blueraven Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:26:30pm

re: #30 Gus

Rush Limbaugh needs to learn that behavior has consequences. He also needs to take personal responsibility for the consequences of his behavior.

He needs to Behave Himself!!

Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:26:54pm

. Those are defined as environments likely to stir negative sentiment from a very small percentage of the listening public.”

Heh. Tyranny of the minority.

boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:27:02pm

re: #29 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I don't know one single liberal who thinks Sarah Palin is a slut. Maybe I hang out with a better class of liberals than that guy. But I doubt it.

Palin is what she is. The term "slut" is rather specific in meaning as far as I understand the term. Palin is a mom who worked hard for her family. I may not agree with her politics, but "slut", hardly.

Targetpractice Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:29:04pm

re: #15 CuriousLurker

Agreed. We, as a society, can define what we consider acceptable public discourse—not what someone has a constitutional right to say (or not say), but what we're willing to reward financially.

It's business. If I own Acme Widgets, Inc. and provide a great product & stellar customer service, people are going to flock to my company. If, OTOH, my salespeople start treating customers rudely and/or the quality of my product starts to slip, then people will take their $$ elsewhere. As the owner of Acme Widgets, I can either read the writing on the wall and try to improve things, or continue on the road I'm on and eventually go out of business.

It's not a free speech issue, it's a business issue. Everyone has a choice.

I've seen more than a few companies with shitty customer service survive due to one thing: Being the only game in town. When you're the only person people can turn to for a fix, you can name your price. But talk radio's dying, more now than it was in the past, driven on mostly by two things: migration to the much more open forum of satellite radio and the much larger audience of the Internet.

b_sharp Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:29:08pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Heh. Tyranny of the minority.

How does that minority gain the power to be tyrannical?

boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:29:50pm

re: #39 b_sharp

How does that minority gain the power to be tyrannical?

Clearly through Talk Radio.

Gus Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:30:08pm

re: #39 b_sharp

How does that minority gain the power to be tyrannical?

That's like the old complaint from the right wing ever of course.

Gus Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:30:28pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Heh. Tyranny of the minority.

Explain.

blueraven Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:32:08pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Heh. Tyranny of the minority.

Who said anything about a very small percentage of the listening public?
It doesn't matter who is listening to a particular program...we live in the information age of nanoseconds.

The tyranny is by the minority of assholes like Rush.

CuriousLurker Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:32:12pm

re: #38 Targetpractice

I've seen more than a few companies with shitty customer service survive due to one thing: Being the only game in town. When you're the only person people can turn to for a fix, you can name your price. But talk radio's dying, more now than it was in the past, driven on mostly by two things: migration to the much more open forum of satellite radio and the much larger audience of the Internet.

True, where one company has a monopoly, people tend to get screwed. I suppose there'll always be an audience for hateful talk radio & shock jocks, but it sure isn't a business model I'd choose.

HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:32:15pm

The companies chose to stop sponsoring Limbaugh's program. Honestly, it's one thing for him to go after public figures even if it's sleazy and dishonest as it always is with him. It's another to go after a private citizen and the backlash to his statements is understandable.

MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:33:03pm

re: #23 boxhead

I tend to agree. Vigorous, yet civil public debate is a must for a properly functioning Republic. What Talk Radio is, I cannot quite put into words, (nor wish to), but it is most certainly not civil debate.

Political talk radio tends to be shitslinging of the lowest order, the rule rather than the exception.

Kragar Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:33:11pm

Someone needs to explain to these advertisers that if they love free speech, then they shouldn't ask not to be involved in someone they disagree with.
/

HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:34:03pm

re: #46 talon_262

Political talk radio tends to be shitslinging of the lowest order, the rule rather than the exception.

Yes, I feel that way about political talk radio show hosts from all sides. Nearly all of them are smug asses who think their voice is the allmighty's gift to the rest of us when they're just pompous assholes with a mike.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:34:43pm

It would, of course, be an ideal world where a radio talk-show host could use the n-word unmolested, without the tyrannical minorities breathing in the back and censoring everybody.

Gus Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:35:16pm

re: #43 blueraven

Who said anything about a very small percentage of the listening public?
It doesn't matter who is listening to a particular program...we live in the information age of nanoseconds.

The tyranny is by the minority of assholes like Rush.

Women don't count I guess. Neither do the men that are repulsed by this.

austin_blue Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:35:22pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

Really do find myself wondering how long Clear Channel is gonna let him keep this up. Their cash cow has become a money pit.

They married him with an eight-year, $400 million contract.

Obviously, based on past behavior, there were no disqualifying "moral clauses."

Heheheheh.

boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:35:31pm

re: #46 talon_262

Political talk radio tends to be shitslinging of the lowest order, the rule rather than the exception.

It doesn't have to be, nor should be. That is if a functioning society is the goal. Which is why I hold that people such as Rush are a cancer on America.

Gus Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:35:57pm

re: #49 Creeping Diversity

It would, of course, be an ideal world where a radio talk-show host could use the n-word unmolested, without the tyrannical minorities breathing in the back and censoring everybody.

/

The Civil Rights Act was the beginning of the end starting with the tyranny of the minority! You can't legislate morality!

HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:36:16pm

re: #49 Creeping Diversity

It would, of course, be an ideal world where a radio talk-show host could use the n-word unmolested, without the tyrannical minorities breathing in the back and censoring everybody.

/

I am sure Rush would say the n-word if he knew he could get away with it given his past history.

wrenchwench Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:36:54pm

re: #52 boxhead

It doesn't have to be, nor should be. That is if a functioning society is the goal. Which is why I hold that people such as Rush are a cancer on America.

I wouldn't call him a cancer. Flesh-eating bacteria, maybe.

Targetpractice Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:36:54pm

re: #44 CuriousLurker

True, where one company has a monopoly, people tend to get screwed. I suppose there'll always be an audience for hateful talk radio & shock jocks, but it sure isn't a business model I'd choose.

It's a dying one, especially in a time when wifi and cell coverage are shrinking the distance between people and Internet access. Hell, now you can pull up transcripts and even video of Rush's broadcasts within hours of him making them. And that's not including the hundreds of rightwing sites out there.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:37:11pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

I am sure Rush would say the n-word if he knew he could get away with it given his past history.

It's a pity he can't get away with it. His free speech is stifled. Pesky minority.

Gus Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:37:15pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

I am sure Rush would say the n-word if he knew he could get away with it given his past history.

We know RS McCain sure misses it. I long for the good old days.

Gus Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:37:54pm

re: #57 Creeping Diversity

It's a pity he can't get away with it. His free speech is stifled. Pesky minority.

/

They're always getting their way. It's a slippery slope I tells ya! Not unlike the gay agenda.

CuriousLurker Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:38:08pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Heh. Tyranny of the minority.

What tyranny? Your opinion on this subject is a minority one, yet no one has muzzled you. You're free to keep expressing what you think and the rest of us are free to keep saying we think you're wrong. That's how it works.

Targetpractice Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:38:43pm

re: #51 austin_blue

They married him with an eight-year, $400 million contract.

Obviously, based on past behavior, there were no disqualifying "moral clauses."

Heheheheh.

Not being privy to the details, I'd still speculate that nothing in it precludes him from being forced into "retirement."

austin_blue Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:38:55pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Heh. Tyranny of the minority.

Yup. Negroes. Jews. Gays. All wanting the same rights as normal people.

Damn that "equal protection under the law"!

HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:39:10pm

re: #58 Gus

We know RS McCain sure misses it. I long for the good old days.

//

Yeah I knew all I needed to know about RS McCain when he said that and that his big idol was John C. Calhoun.

Gus Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:39:25pm

re: #60 CuriousLurker

What tyranny? Your opinion on this subject is a minority one, yet no one has muzzled you. You're free to keep expressing what you think and the rest of us are free to keep saying we think you're wrong. That's how it works.

Muslims are infringing on mah rights!

MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:39:50pm

re: #24 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I highly doubt Rush is going to disappear from the airwaves. Even if CC drops him like a hot potato, some one else will pick him up.

Like with Howard Stern...hell, SiriusXM might pick Rush up if ClearChannel winds up giving him the boot.

Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:40:00pm

A couple of factual issues: I think the list from media matters is inflated. Some advertisers have not dropped. Either their ads were run by mistake or they were erroneously added to the list of advertisers.
Also they are still pushing this: Rush Limbaugh's Advertiser Exodus
Here's the important part...

On March 8, WABC's online feed aired Rush Limbaugh's radio show almost exclusively with unpaid public service announcements and included significant amounts of dead air space, as only nine paid advertisements were broadcast during three hours of programming.

Anyone who has listened to an online feed for a radio station will know the "commercial breaks" are filled with public service announcements. It has to do with FCC rules about advertising. Commercials purchased are only for the broadcast area of the radio station. Since internet feeds are international they aren't allowed to run commercials purchased for broadcast. Dead air is common in online feed commercial breaks because radio stations don't give a shit about unpaid PSA's

Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:40:42pm

re: #39 b_sharp

How does that minority gain the power to be tyrannical?

By making the most noise.

boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:40:53pm

re: #55 wrenchwench

I wouldn't call him a cancer. Flesh-eating bacteria, maybe.

Antibiotic resistant staff infection? OK.. I am good with that... heheh

austin_blue Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:41:53pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

Not being privy to the details, I'd still speculate that nothing in it precludes him from being forced into "retirement."

Dude, if I had an iron-bound contract like that, the only way I'd be forced into retirement was with a 185-grain, boat-tailed Quaalude, if you get my drift.

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:42:08pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

It's probably in reference to Maher.

Of course. That's become the equivalence that means you don't have to look at what Rush did.

What Maher did, BTW, was over the line, and utterly inappropriate. It was also inappropriate when Limbaugh called Hillary a 'screaming witch', 'the sex-retary of State', a 'dyke', a 'B-I-itch' (he claimed to be speaking for Obama on that one, said she had a 'testicle lock-box'...Christ alone knows WHAT else he's called her, because no one actually gives a shit. He can do that. All the whining about 'what if Limbaugh called Hillary...' crap that comes up every time some left-leaning fuckwad says something mean about Sarah Palin? HE ALREADY DID. NO ONE CARED.

And you know what, OK. If Maher and Limbaugh want to spew filth at each other's female politicians of choice, what the fuck, let them. It's declasse, and doesn't make me think a whole hell of a lot of either of them, but it's within the extremely relaxed bounds we've set for the kind of work they do, and Sarah and Hillary are grown politicians who've dealt with worse.

Fluke is not the equivalent of Palin. Hillary is (God forgive me for demeaning her so), and she has been called a lot of shit by Limbaugh.

Fluke is a civilian, who was treated to a days-long public humiliation by a very powerful man who has not only called her a whore, but lied about what she said, OVER and OVER and OVER.

It's different.

Gus Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:42:39pm

re: #67 Killgore Trout

By making the most noise.

Bummer man. Yeah. Minorities sure have the upper hand in this country and around the world.

wrenchwench Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:43:08pm

re: #68 boxhead

Antibiotic resistant staff infection? OK.. I am good with that... heheh

How about c. diff.

Google it.

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:43:50pm

re: #53 Gus

The Civil Rights Act was the beginning of the end starting with the tyranny of the minority! You can't legislate morality!

//

If you can't legislate morality, why are stealin' and killin' and batterin' still against the law?

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:44:06pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

A couple of factual issues: I think the list from media matters is inflated. Some advertisers have not dropped. Either their ads were run by mistake or they were erroneously added to the list of advertisers.
Also they are still pushing this: Rush Limbaugh's Advertiser Exodus
Here's the important part...

Anyone who has listened to an online feed for a radio station will know the "commercial breaks" are filled with public service announcements. It has to do with FCC rules about advertising. Commercials purchased are only for the broadcast area of the radio station. Since internet feeds are international they aren't allowed to run commercials purchased for broadcast. Dead air is common in online feed commercial breaks because radio stations don't give a shit about unpaid PSA's

Factual?

Of the nine paid spots that ran, seven were from companies that have said they have taken steps to ensure their ads no longer air during the program

How come there are paid spots where you say there can be none?

boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:44:31pm

re: #72 wrenchwench

How about c. diff.

Google it.

BARF... lol... that is nasty....

Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:44:56pm

re: #74 Creeping Diversity

Factual?

How come there are paid spots where you say there can be none?

They have to specifically purchase ads for the online feed.

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:45:01pm

re: #67 Killgore Trout

By making the most noise.

Rush makes more noise than anyone else I'm aware of.

wrenchwench Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:45:12pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

A couple of factual issues: I think the list from media matters is inflated. Some advertisers have not dropped. Either their ads were run by mistake or they were erroneously added to the list of advertisers.
Also they are still pushing this: Rush Limbaugh's Advertiser Exodus
Here's the important part...

Anyone who has listened to an online feed for a radio station will know the "commercial breaks" are filled with public service announcements. It has to do with FCC rules about advertising. Commercials purchased are only for the broadcast area of the radio station. Since internet feeds are international they aren't allowed to run commercials purchased for broadcast. Dead air is common in online feed commercial breaks because radio stations don't give a shit about unpaid PSA's

There are zero ads on his website, which used to have lots.

There are zero ads on his daily emails (for which he has ignored my 'unsubscribe' request) and it used to have two or three.

boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:46:30pm

re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist

Rush makes more noise than anyone else I'm aware of.

That fits right into the c. diff thing. heheh

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:46:41pm

re: #78 wrenchwench

(for which he has ignored my 'unsubscribe' request)

Something Rush has in common with Michael Lerner. Who knew?

CuriousLurker Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:48:19pm

Okay, gonna go back to the analog world and play with my new art supplies & fountain pens. Later, lizards.

boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:48:52pm

re: #81 CuriousLurker

Okay, gonna go back to the analog world and play with my new art supplies & fountain pens. Later, lizards.

post your results....

boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:49:29pm

re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist

Something Rush has in common with Michael Lerner. Who knew?

And those damn Viagra knock off folks...

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:50:06pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

They have to specifically purchase ads for the online feed.

And? That means advertisers are dropping online feed too. What's your point?

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wrenchwench Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:50:46pm

re: #81 CuriousLurker

Okay, gonna go back to the analog world and play with my new art supplies & fountain pens. Later, lizards.

I get ink blots in my head just thinking about fountain pens.

jaunte Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:51:28pm

Centrist Women Tell of Disenchantment With G.O.P.

“Everybody is so busy telling us how we should act in the bedroom, they’re letting the country fall through the cracks,” said Fran Kelley, a retired public school worker in Seattle who voted for Senator John McCain over Mr. Obama in the 2008 election. Of the Republican candidates this year, she added, “They’re nothing but hatemongers trying to control everyone, saying, ‘Live as I live.’ ”

She continued, “If Republicans would stop all this ridiculous talk about contraception, I’d consider voting in November.”

MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:52:15pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

A couple of factual issues: I think the list from media matters is inflated. Some advertisers have not dropped. Either their ads were run by mistake or they were erroneously added to the list of advertisers.
Also they are still pushing this: Rush Limbaugh's Advertiser Exodus
Here's the important part...

Anyone who has listened to an online feed for a radio station will know the "commercial breaks" are filled with public service announcements. It has to do with FCC rules about advertising. Commercials purchased are only for the broadcast area of the radio station. Since internet feeds are international they aren't allowed to run commercials purchased for broadcast. Dead air is common in online feed commercial breaks because radio stations don't give a shit about unpaid PSA's

This is true about online feeds of radio stations, so I think Media Matters needs to have people listening to local feeds to get the true count. That being said, however, I don't think that the number of advertisers that asked not to be ran doing Rush's show is anything to sneeze at, if that ClearChannel sales memo is any indication.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:53:51pm

re: #87 talon_262

MediaMatters compares apples and apples. Look at the dynamics since March 1 at the links above.

PhillyPretzel Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:55:38pm

98%. Wow. Now that is making a statement with your money.

Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:04:14pm

re: #87 talon_262

This is true about online feeds of radio stations, so I think Media Matters needs to have people listening to local feeds to get the true count. That being said, however, I don't think that the number of advertisers that asked not to be ran doing Rush's show is anything to sneeze at, if that ClearChannel sales memo is any indication.

I agree. It's a minor point. Lots of advertisers have dropped, just not as many as Media Matters claims. I suppose inflating the list a bit helps create the impression they are "winning".

boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:05:31pm

re: #89 Georgia Tech Aunt

98%. Wow. Now that is making a statement with your money.

which will turn into suppression of free speech on the remaining Right Wing Radio Stations. lol

wrenchwench Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:05:32pm

Ry Cooder wrote this song about the Occupy Wall Street movement and is offering it as a free download in support of the movement.

Youtube Video

allegro Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:05:56pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

I agree. It's a minor point. Lots of advertisers have dropped, just not as many as Media Matters claims. I suppose inflating the list a bit helps create the impression they are "winning".

What are you basing your claims on?

MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:06:05pm

re: #89 Georgia Tech Aunt

98%. Wow. Now that is making a statement with your money.

Umm, not 98 percent, just 98 advertisers.

Targetpractice Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:06:10pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

I agree. It's a minor point. Lots of advertisers have dropped, just not as many as Media Matters claims. I suppose inflating the list a bit helps create the impression they are "winning".

If they're not "winning," then I'd love to know who is. Because those lizards who have tuned into him live on the radio in the last week have reported much the same: Lots of Ad Council bits, some local ads, but the big names are nowhere to be found.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:07:42pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

I agree. It's a minor point. Lots of advertisers have dropped, just not as many as Media Matters claims. I suppose inflating the list a bit helps create the impression they are "winning".

You seem to be befuddled. The list of 98 advertisers has nothing to do with MM or any watchdog. The list of 50 advertisers is from ThinkProgress.

What list are you speaking about, and how does that list matter?

blueraven Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:09:06pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

I agree. It's a minor point. Lots of advertisers have dropped, just not as many as Media Matters claims. I suppose inflating the list a bit helps create the impression they are "winning".

Have you ever listened to talk radio? I get too frustrated. There are more ads than talk. About half of each hour are taken up by news and ads.

We are winning.

boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:09:54pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

I agree. It's a minor point. Lots of advertisers have dropped, just not as many as Media Matters claims. I suppose inflating the list a bit helps create the impression they are "winning".

It should not be about "winning". It should be about civil discourse. I would think that is something for which you also desire.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:12:09pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

It's probably in reference to Maher. As for Palin, I don't think she's a slut. I think she's an egomaniac who likes to spread hyberbolic bullshit though.

Heh. I don't consider Maher as representative of liberals. Representative of loony douchebags, sure, but not liberals.

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boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:15:13pm

re: #99 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Heh. I don't consider Maher as representative of liberals. Representative of loony douchebags, sure, but not liberals.

The one I do like about his show is that there is good civil debate by mostly smart folks from all over the political spectrum. Sometimes it has gotten hot, but mostly civil and respectful. The only other shows I find this is on NPR.

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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:15:22pm

re: #99 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Heh. I don't consider Maher as representative of liberals. Representative of loony douchebags, sure, but not liberals.

Maher's an asshole, if at times an equal opportunity one. Doesn't mean that I agree with his usage of the c-word in referring to Sarah Palin, but expecting better from him is pointless.

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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:16:09pm

re: #95 Targetpractice

If they're not "winning," then I'd love to know who is. Because those lizards who have tuned into him live on the radio in the last week have reported much the same: Lots of Ad Council bits, some local ads, but the big names are nowhere to be found.

This.

If the big national accounts have pretty much just up and left Rush, that doesn't just affect Rush's ad revenue in relation to what Premiere/ClearChannel is paying him. It also affects Premiere/ClearChannel ad revenue for their whole schedule, for network shows and local stations down the line, because Rush is seen as a "halo" show that has traditionally pulled high ratings and has been a bellwether to boost lead-in/lead-out shows.

Couldn't happen to a nicer company...

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boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:16:59pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

Maher's an asshole, if at times an equal opportunity one. Doesn't mean that I agree with his usage of the c-word in referring to Sarah Palin, but expecting better from him is pointless.

Yes he can be an ass. But he is willing to debate with those that disagree with him.

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God of Binders with Women Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:17:07pm

Man, these advertisers have no sense of humor. I mean, c'mon, it's just satire!
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Egregious Philbin Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:18:27pm

Way to go fatboy...

Hey Rush......words mean things.

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sagehen Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:19:17pm

re: #30 Gus

Rush Limbaugh needs to learn that behavior has consequences. He also needs to take personal responsibility for the consequences of his behavior.

Or to quote Amy Pohler (on the "really?! with seth and amy segment about Foster Fries) -- "I'd love to accept your apology, but I can't. You made a mistake, and now you'll have to pay for it for the rest of your life."

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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:19:28pm

re: #103 boxhead

Yes he can be an ass. But he is willing to debate with those that disagree with him.

Indeed, he invites a variety of views to his show and invites dissent, if only to show that it exists. There's ideological give-and-take, something that allows healthy debate. By contrast, who in their right mind expects to ever see Rush debate anything in a setting where he can't just shout them down?

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sagehen Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:20:46pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

It's probably in reference to Maher. As for Palin, I don't think she's a slut. I think she's an egomaniac who likes to spread hyberbolic bullshit though.

Maher didn't call her a slut, he called her a ****. A subtle difference, but there it is.

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goddamnedfrank Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:21:14pm

re: #67 Killgore Trout

By making the most noise.

Has it occurred to you yet that you've been selling apathy for almost a week straight?

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boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:21:32pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

Indeed, he invites a variety of views to his show and invites dissent, if only to show that it exists. There's ideological give-and-take, something that allows healthy debate. By contrast, who in their right mind expects to ever see Rush debate anything in a setting where he can't just shout them down?

Hence the reason why Rush != Maher. In fact, Rush < Maher.

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Fortitudine Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:21:51pm

re: #29 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I don't know one single liberal who thinks Sarah Palin is a slut. Maybe I hang out with a better class of liberals than that guy. But I doubt it.

An idiot, maybe, or a refugee from a tacky reality show. But not a slut.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:22:33pm

re: #111 Fortitudine

An idiot, maybe, or a refugee from a tacky reality show. But not a slut.

Wait, so that movie purporting to be a documentary I've seen is a lie?!!//

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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:23:04pm

re: #108 sagehen

Maher didn't call her a slut, he called her a ****. A subtle difference, but there it is.

He did...during an on-stage performance as his other job, namely a comedian. To say that's the same as calling a woman a "slut" and a "prostitute" on live radio stretches the comparison to the breaking point.

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blueraven Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:26:03pm

re: #109 goddamnedfrank

Has it occurred to you yet that you've been selling apathy for almost a week straight?

KT seems to not believe in protest, at least the kind that is effective.

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PhillyPretzel Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:27:17pm

re: #94 talon_262
Okay. 98 advertisers. That is still a large number and quite a bit of money.

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sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:28:34pm

re: #115 Georgia Tech Aunt

When did you change your name??

My son just received his acceptance letter today for the fall (freshman) semester!

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wrenchwench Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:29:08pm

re: #109 goddamnedfrank

Has it occurred to you yet that you've been selling apathy for almost a week straight?

He was his first customer, I think.

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sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:29:56pm

re: #109 goddamnedfrank

Has it occurred to you yet that you've been selling apathy for almost a week straight?

You don't have to buy it!

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ozbloke Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:30:10pm

re: #116 sattv4u2

When did you change your name??

My son just received his acceptance letter today for the fall (freshman) semester!

// When not why, just answer the question!!!

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PhillyPretzel Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:30:20pm

re: #116 sattv4u2
My nephew is a freshman this semester. And I used the display name changer when Charles offered it.

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sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:30:50pm

re: #120 Georgia Tech Aunt

My nephew is a freshman this semester. And I used the display name changer when Charles offered it.

Neat ,, 1st I've noticed

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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:31:11pm

re: #115 Georgia Tech Aunt

Okay. 98 advertisers. That is still a large number and quite a bit of money.

No doubt...I doubt few people are buying his Baghdad Bob act about not missing those advertisers, either.

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sagehen Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:31:23pm

re: #108 sagehen

Maher didn't call her a slut, he called her a ****. A subtle difference, but there it is.

wow... and the filter won't even let me say what he called her. I guess that's why he's on pay cable.

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goddamnedfrank Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:33:19pm

re: #118 sattv4u2

You don't have to buy it!

And I don't, I'm also remarking on the irony of the effort involved in tenaciously, doggedly selling the idea of disaffected noninvolvement as some kind of virtue.

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sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:34:36pm

re: #124 goddamnedfrank

And I don't, I'm also remarking on the irony of the effort involved in tenaciously, doggedly selling the idea of disaffected noninvolvement as some kind of virtue.

Somehow I have a feeling he still has time for other pursuits!

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Kronocide Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:34:44pm

Passive Aggressive Apathy

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Kronocide Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:35:34pm

98 liberal oppressors trying to take down the champions of truth! SOROS we'll get you!

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Kragar Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:36:02pm

re: #122 talon_262

No doubt...I doubt few people are buying his Baghdad Bob act about not missing those advertisers, either.

Rush Bender: "Yeah, well... I'm gonna go build my own advertisers, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the advertisers!"

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blueraven Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:38:24pm

re: #125 sattv4u2

Somehow I have a feeling he still has time for other pursuits!

Lets hope so...need moar frogs!

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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:41:07pm

re: #128 Kragar

Rush Bender: "Yeah, well... I'm gonna go build my own advertisers, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the advertisers!"

I'm down with blackjack and hookers, so long as the hookers aren't Fred Garvey, Male Prostitute ;-p

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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:42:10pm

re: #111 Fortitudine

An idiot, maybe, or a refugee from a tacky reality show. But not a slut.

So who's having a Game Change viewing party tonight? I don't pay for HBO, so I have to wait. What an excellent cast is my previewing comment.

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boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:43:07pm

re: #130 talon_262

I'm down with blackjack and hookers ;-p

In fact, forget the blackjack.

Youtube Video

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goddamnedfrank Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:44:05pm

re: #126 Kronocide

Passive Aggressive Apathy

It is interesting how the burden seems to land on others to show how tolerant they are by shutting the fuck up. Otherwise, tyranny. Freedom of speech doesn't mean speech totally free from consequence, nor should it.

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Amory Blaine Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:45:37pm

Chris Christie calls former Navy SEAL an ‘idiot’

Although Christie pointed out that current students would still graduate under the Rutgers name, the former SEAL wasn’t satisfied.

“What about my son? What about my neighbors? What about my friends?” he shouted.

“Listen we’re not going to get into a debate here, ok?” Christie replied. “I sat here and listened to your story and your position — excuse me — without interrupting you.”

“It’s not a story, it’s the truth,” Brown shot back.

“Do you want to hear the answer or no? Do you want to hear me answer or don’t you? Because I’m not going to — I’ve heard you. OK, next question,” Christie said.

“Let me tell you something after you graduate from law school you conduct yourself like that in a courtroom, your rear end is going to be thrown in jail, idiot,” he added.

“I’m a combat veteran Navy SEAL, how’s that?” Brown yelled as police escorted him from the building.

Outside the event, Brown spoke to reporters, while a police officer menacingly stood behind him.

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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:47:14pm

re: #134 Amory Blaine

Chris Christie calls former Navy SEAL an ‘idiot’

I've noticed that a lot of Christie's critics have a habit of being dragged away by the cops.

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Digital Display Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:47:35pm

re: #131 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

So who's having a Game Change viewing party tonight? I don't pay for HBO, so I have to wait. What an excellent cast is my previewing comment.

I think most political movies are lame.. But primary colors was awesome, Wag the dog was good..oh and the Candidate was great..I'm trying to think of others..

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:47:41pm

re: #106 sagehen

Or to quote Amy Pohler (on the "really?! with seth and amy segment about Foster Fries) -- "I'd love to accept your apology, but I can't. You made a mistake, and now you'll have to pay for it for the rest of your life."

With Rush, it's a little more than 'a mistake'. He's pushed the barriers his whole career. He finally found something that gets a little pushback.

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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:47:45pm

re: #109 goddamnedfrank

Has it occurred to you yet that you've been selling apathy for almost a week straight?

Yes, I have no interest in activism to silence opposition radio shows.

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Kragar Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:47:55pm

Some papers reject 'Doonesbury' strip on Texas abortion law

"We run 'Doonesbury' on our op-ed page, and this series is an example of why," said David Averill, editorial page editor for the Tulsa World. "Many of our readers will disagree with the political stance the series takes, and some will be offended by the clinical language. I believe, however, that this series of strips is appropriate to the abortion debate and appropriate to our op-ed pages."

The comic strips feature a woman who goes to an abortion clinic and is confronted by several people who suggest she should be ashamed. Among them is a doctor who reads a script on behalf of Texas Gov. Rick Perry welcoming her to a "compulsory transvaginal exam," and a middle-aged legislator who calls her a "slut."

One panel equates the invasive procedure to rape and describes the device used to perform it as a "10-inch shaming wand."

"Our readers are accustomed to pointed political and social commentary in strips like 'Doonesbury' and 'Mallard Fillmore,'" Tom McNiff, managing editor of The Gainesville Sun and Ocala Star-Banner in central Florida, said in an emailed statement explaining the decision not to run the series. "But the language the author used to make his point in two of the strips was quite graphic for a general readership."

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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:48:19pm

re: #130 talon_262

I'm down with blackjack and hookers, so long as the hookers aren't Fred Garvey, Male Prostitute ;-p

Oops...meant Fred Garvin, Male Prosititute

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kirkspencer Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:48:27pm

re: #2 blueraven

Maybe this will help clean up the cesspool that has become talk radio, and this should include some on the left as well.

um, since I don't listen to talk radio,

Who on the left?

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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:48:32pm

re: #86 jaunte

Centrist Women Tell of Disenchantment With G.O.P.

Are these women really just now noticing that the GOP is anti-women making their own reproductive choices? How is that even possible? I just assumed they knew and didn't care because they wanted their husbands to get tax cuts.

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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:49:37pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

Yes, I have no interest in activism to silence opposition radio shows.

A position you've made abundantly clear.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:51:01pm

re: #134 Amory Blaine

Chris Christie calls former Navy SEAL an ‘idiot’

Imagine the outrage if a Democrat did this to a Navy SEAL.

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kirkspencer Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:51:21pm

re: #120 Georgia Tech Aunt

My nephew is a freshman this semester. And I used the display name changer when Charles offered it.

Cool. That makes another one. (My daughter's a sophomore there.)

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boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:52:07pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

Yes, I have no interest in activism to silence opposition radio shows.

What about to encourage civil debate?

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Kragar Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:52:56pm

re: #146 boxhead

What about to encourage civil debate?

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN BY THAT, COMMIE?
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boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:53:20pm

re: #147 Kragar

lol

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sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:53:31pm

re: #141 kirkspencer

um, since I don't listen to talk radio,

Who on the left?

Ed Shultz, Randi Rhodes Tom Leykis, Mike Malloy

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austin_blue Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:54:44pm

re: #139 Kragar

Some papers reject 'Doonesbury' strip on Texas abortion law

The fact that the Texas law was passed sub rosa before the Virginia bill got everyone's attention this winter says a lot about the what happens in this state.

Shameful.

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sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:54:47pm

re: #144 moderatelyradicalliberal

Imagine the outrage if a Democrat did this to a Navy SEAL.

Hopefully they would get the same negative reaction that Christie deserves on this one!

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boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:54:58pm

re: #149 sattv4u2

Ed Shultz, Randi Rhodes Tom Leykis, Mike Malloy

Tom really does not do much political talk at all. He will, but that is not his schtick.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:55:08pm

re: #149 sattv4u2

Ed Shultz, Randi Rhodes Tom Leykis, Mike Malloy

None has the audience that Rush has combined. The truth is liberals don't really seem to gravitate towards talk radio in the same numbers.

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goddamnedfrank Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:55:38pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

Yes, I have no interest in activism to silence opposition radio shows.

Is this position restricted to radio only, do you lament the cultural poverty brought on by the losses of Helen Thomas and Pat Buchanan?

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Amory Blaine Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:55:54pm

re: #139 Kragar

Doesn't appear to be the same wringing of hands when the truth gets censored in this country.

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allegro Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:56:18pm

re: #142 moderatelyradicalliberal

Are these women really just now noticing that the GOP is anti-women making their own reproductive choices? How is that even possible? I just assumed they knew and didn't care because they wanted their husbands to get tax cuts.

I suspect it's because they knew of the rhetoric but, like many others I've talked to over the years, never thought they really meant it or would be able to get away with actually doing anything about it. Now they're seeing the reality that their rights really are being taken away - something they didn't think would ever happen. The shit that has been served up for the past few weeks/months has eliminated their blinders with Rush tying a nice big bow on the shit sandwich eliminating any remaining doubt.

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sagehen Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:56:46pm

re: #142 moderatelyradicalliberal

Are these women really just now noticing that the GOP is anti-women making their own reproductive choices? How is that even possible? I just assumed they knew and didn't care because they wanted their husbands to get tax cuts.

A lot of economically conservative women, liberal on the social issues, have thought for a decade that all the anti-abortion, anti-gay, school prayer crap was "just talk, just saying what they have to to mobilize the silly religious people we've been playing since Reagan". They didn't think it would translate into legislation "because Roe v Wade, church and state, courts blah blah blah."

They're suddenly being hit in the face with it's not just talk, it really is laws.

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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:57:48pm

re: #146 boxhead

What about to encourage civil debate?

I think that's fine but that mostly involves choosing your debate opponents wisely. Not silencing the ones you find offensive.
That's actually a good analogy: Think of this as a debate. You state your case and your opponent rebutts with a crude insult. What's the best response? Demand he be removed from the room? Pressure the moderator to turn off his microphone? You can respond with class and substance or return the insult but by trying to have your opponent escorted from the auditorium just makes you look like the bigger asshole.

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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:58:01pm

re: #135 Targetpractice

I've noticed that a lot of Christie's critics have a habit of being dragged away by the cops.

He's the governor goddamnit. Helicopters to his kids game and all that.

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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:58:45pm

re: #109 goddamnedfrank

Has it occurred to you yet that you've been selling apathy for almost a week straight?

Doesn't hurt OWS so it's not important.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:58:55pm

re: #150 austin_blue

The fact that the Texas law was passed sub rosa before the Virginia bill got everyone's attention this winter says a lot about the what happens in this state.

Shameful.

Our paper in Dallas is running it and they endorsed Bill White over Perry. The Dallas Morning News has swung left since 2008. While Texas is Red Dallas County has gone blue since 2006. This law went under the radio, but in the last month it's everywhere. Seems like ever since the SGK/PP fuck up the War on Women is center stage. It's about damn time.

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boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:59:06pm

re: #158 Killgore Trout

I think that's fine but that mostly involves choosing your debate opponents wisely. Not silencing the ones you find offensive.
That's actually a good analogy: Think of this as a debate. You state your case and your opponent rebutts with a crude insult. What's the best response? Demand he be removed from the room? Pressure the moderator to turn off his microphone? You can respond with class and substance or return the insult but by trying to have your opponent escorted from the auditorium just makes you look like the bigger asshole.

Rush has never engaged in civil debate.

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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:59:42pm

re: #162 boxhead

Rush has never engaged in civil debate.

Then don't engage him.

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goddamnedfrank Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:59:45pm

re: #153 moderatelyradicalliberal

None has the audience that Rush has combined. The truth is liberals don't really seem to gravitate towards talk radio in the same numbers.

Liberals who listen to non music format stations tend to prefer NPR instead, which is actually a professional org and has good filters against demagoguery and personal attacks.

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wrenchwench Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:00:19pm

re: #158 Killgore Trout

Not silencing the ones you find offensive.

Every time I see this I think 'strawman'.

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Gus Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:00:23pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Then don't engage him.

Tell that to John Boehner.

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Kragar Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:00:25pm

re: #160 William Barnett-Lewis

Doesn't hurt OWS so it's not important.

FIGHT APATHY... or don't.

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Amory Blaine Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:00:45pm

re: #167 Kragar

Meh..

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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:01:13pm

re: #156 allegro

I suspect it's because they knew of the rhetoric but, like many others I've talked to over the years, never thought they really meant it or would be able to get away with actually doing anything about it. Now they're seeing the reality that their rights really are being taken away - something they didn't think would ever happen. The shit that has been served up for the past few weeks/months has eliminated their blinders with Rush tying a nice big bow on the shit sandwich eliminating any remaining doubt.

Like this women in the article:

Deborah R. Stevens, a self-described “dyed in the wool” Republican, said she felt hopeless.

“I’m looking for a candidate that will be honest, that will come out and say, ‘Yes, I support women, I want you advanced and not trampled upon,’ ” said Ms. Stevens, 63, who lives near Myrtle Beach, S.C. “I want answers desperately. I want candidates to tell me, ‘I’m not overturning Roe v. Wade.’ It’s there. Leave it there.”

WTF was she voting Republican for. The GOP has long been against Roe. Is she just now noticing? I can't believe some of these women.

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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:01:20pm

re: #136 HoosierHoops

I think most political movies are lame.. But primary colors was awesome, Wag the dog was good..oh and the Candidate was great..I'm trying to think of others..

So, I think this one will be good as well. Damn I wish I had HBO, cept for the monthly wasted cost.

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palomino Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:01:35pm

And, unbelievably, conservatives thought they could use contraception as a wedge issue. As if this were 1960 and the idea of premarital sex were still controversial in the eyes of most people.

I don't want Limbaugh silenced. He's the best ad out there for voting against the GOP. Keep talking, Rush, don't change a thing.

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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:01:54pm

re: #162 boxhead

Rush has never engaged in civil debate.

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Then don't engage him.

re: #166 Gus

Tell that to John Boehner.

Boehner's not only engaged Rush, you'd think that they're joined at the hip, up until this latest mess.

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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:02:08pm

re: #158 Killgore Trout

I think that's fine but that mostly involves choosing your debate opponents wisely. Not silencing the ones you find offensive.
That's actually a good analogy: Think of this as a debate. You state your case and your opponent rebutts with a crude insult. What's the best response? Demand he be removed from the room? Pressure the moderator to turn off his microphone? You can respond with class and substance or return the insult but by trying to have your opponent escorted from the auditorium just makes you look like the bigger asshole.

Rush isn't one side in a debate, he's the heckler in the crowd telling one side that they suck because of their ideology and whipping the crowd into a frenzy while doing so.

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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:03:24pm

re: #136 HoosierHoops

I think most political movies are lame.. But primary colors was awesome, Wag the dog was good..oh and the Candidate was great..I'm trying to think of others..

Dave [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] was the best political film I've seen.

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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:03:27pm

re: #12 sagehen

If wingnut radio goes off the air, Obama wins in a landslide -- it's taken all their effort, nonstop vitriol 24-7 for 3-1/2 years running, to keep his approval ratings mostly in the high 40's (edging up over 50 since the Republican Idol episodes have been televised).

Sorry, I don't mean to single you out but this is the kind of thing that really gives me the creeps and I suspect is a larger part of the motive here. I think it's a mistake to think your side is going to gain political power by taking Rush off the air. It's wrong morally and historically to think that silencing others is going to lead to any sort of lasting victory in a free society.

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wrenchwench Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:03:31pm

re: #169 moderatelyradicalliberal

Like this women in the article:

WTF was she voting Republican for. The GOP has long been against Roe. Is she just now noticing? I can't believe some of these women.

Roe made women feel secure. They never expected state laws to be able to have an impact. Maybe I'm stupid, but I was surprised.

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boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:04:11pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Then don't engage him.

I don't.... But there is nothing wrong with choosing to not spend your money on a company that supports opinions you deem vile. And people have spoken, and were heard, and were listened to. He made his proverbial bed and is now not finding he can not sleep in it. Nothing evil happened here.

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Gus Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:04:34pm

re: #172 talon_262

re: #163 Killgore Trout

re: #166 Gus

Boehner's not only engaged Rush, you'd think that they're joined at the hip, up until this latest mess.

Yeah, but Rush Limbaugh is just a private matter.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:05:05pm

re: #158 Killgore Trout

I think that's fine but that mostly involves choosing your debate opponents wisely. Not silencing the ones you find offensive.
That's actually a good analogy: Think of this as a debate. You state your case and your opponent rebutts with a crude insult. What's the best response? Demand he be removed from the room? Pressure the moderator to turn off his microphone? You can respond with class and substance or return the insult but by trying to have your opponent escorted from the auditorium just makes you look like the bigger asshole.

This isn't a debate. Rush, as he's been pointing out for years, is an entertainer.

People apparently don't want their products associated with a man who calls young women hookers when they talk about friends' medical conditions in front of Congress. And frankly, who could blame them?

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ozbloke Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:07:07pm

re: #158 Killgore Trout

That's actually a good analogy: Think of this as a debate. You state your case and your opponent rebutts with a crude insult. What's the best response? Demand he be removed from the room? Pressure the moderator to turn off his microphone? You can respond with class and substance or return the insult but by trying to have your opponent escorted from the auditorium just makes you look like the bigger asshole.

That analogy bares no resemblances to Rush vs Fluke.

One gets three hours per day to spew his insults to millions.
The other a women advocating for women, who had one chance to speak before congress.

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JamesWI Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:07:41pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

This isn't a debate. Rush, as he's been pointing out for years, is an entertainer.

People apparently don't want their products associated with a man who calls young women hookers when they talk about friends' medical conditions in front of Congress. And frankly, who could blame them?

STOP FORCING YOUR TYRANNY ON ME!

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palomino Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:08:16pm

No doubt we're in a particularly polarizing era of cultural views.

1) Look at the states that have passed a cumulatively record-breaking number of abortion restrictions in the last two years.

2) Now look at the states that have passed a record-breaking number of civil union/same sex marriage bills in the last two years. (One of the reasons I love California...we'll join the same sex marriage states soon, and already recognize those performed in other states.)

3) Now look at the paltry overlap between groups 1 and 2. We are a house divided.

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goddamnedfrank Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:08:45pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

This isn't a debate. Rush, as he's been pointing out for years, is an entertainer.

People apparently don't want their products associated with a man who calls young women hookers when they talk about friends' medical conditions in front of Congress. And frankly, who could blame them?

The important thing is that people should be all "like, whatever man." It's zen, don't you see? 'Cuz freedom of speech is our culture. It's all clear if you just sit back and go "Whoa!"

Double Rainbow, all the way.

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ozbloke Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:09:54pm

re: #183 goddamnedfrank

The important thing is that people should be all "like, whatever man." It's zen, don't you see? 'Cuz freedom of speech is our culture. It's all clear if you just sit back and go "Whoa!"

Double Rainbow, all the way.

Unless its Occupy...

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:10:09pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Then don't engage him.

I'm not engaging him.

I'm also not going to disapprove if people disassociate their businesses from his potty-mouth.

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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:10:21pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

People apparently don't want their products associated with a man who calls young women hookers when they talk about friends' medical conditions in front of Congress. And frankly, who could blame them?

The companies aren't making a moral choice. They don't want the bad publicity and harrasing calls from activists. The single line that media matters and charles left out of the excerpt of the .advertiser request.

Those are defined as environments likely to stir negative sentiment from a very small percentage of the listening public.”

They don't want to anger the tiny minority of people creating the controversy. It's not a moral decision on their part.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:12:40pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

Sorry, I don't mean to single you out but this is the kind of thing that really gives me the creeps and I suspect is a larger part of the motive here. I think it's a mistake to think your side is going to gain political power by taking Rush off the air. It's wrong morally and historically to think that silencing others is going to lead to any sort of lasting victory in a free society.

Killgore, Rush Limbaugh has been a political power the entire time I've been eligible to vote.

I have had no desire to personally take his ass down in that time. I dislike him, very very much, yes, but I have never said "He ought to be punished for saying that."

This is different.

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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:13:18pm

re: #186 Killgore Trout

The companies aren't making a moral choice. They don't want the bad publicity and harrasing calls from activists. The single line that media matters and charles left out of the excerpt of the .advertiser request.

They don't want to anger the tiny minority of people creating the controversy. It's not a moral decision on their part.

No, what they don't want to anger is half the country by being seen as endorsing Rush's latest tirade against a woman who can't defend herself, for the "crime" of speaking out against policies that restrict access to contraception, something that 98% of all women in America have used at one point or another in their lives.

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JamesWI Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:13:46pm

It's tyranny to tell advertisers that they probably shouldn't advertise on Stormfront. TYRANNY! Those good people at Stormfront deserve advertiser money without a bunch of whiny freedom haters telling companies that they might not want to be associated with such a great website.

TYRANNY.

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palomino Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:14:01pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

Sorry, I don't mean to single you out but this is the kind of thing that really gives me the creeps and I suspect is a larger part of the motive here. I think it's a mistake to think your side is going to gain political power by taking Rush off the air. It's wrong morally and historically to think that silencing others is going to lead to any sort of lasting victory in a free society.

True, plus there are several talking head conservatives with listernerships not much smaller than Rush's. Hannity, Savage, Beck and a couple of other assholes have 6-14 million listeners per week. If the fat ass got kicked out of his chair, he'd become a martyr AND the other firebreathers on the right would fight it out for his audience.

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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:14:03pm

Damn, Is it past 5 already? I'm late for my drink and I haven't even had a shower yet today. I'm sober and stinky. Where did the day go?

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Aye Pod Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:14:40pm

People making a difference for the better. How terrifying. (And sad!)

Youtube Video

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Kronocide Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:14:55pm

re: #133 goddamnedfrank

It is interesting how the burden seems to land on others to show how tolerant they are by shutting the fuck up.

LOL ^^^

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PhillyPretzel Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:15:43pm

re: #191 Killgore Trout
That is what happens when you "hang out" online. /

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wrenchwench Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:15:59pm

re: #186 Killgore Trout

The companies aren't making a moral choice. They don't want the bad publicity and harrasing calls from activists. The single line that media matters and charles left out of the excerpt of the .advertiser request.

They don't want to anger the tiny minority of people creating the controversy. It's not a moral decision on their part.

I think they are reacting to a small number of people who are responding to the controversy (not creating it) because the new social media make it so easy for those people to be heard. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with those people's influence. The advertisers decide when to react.

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ProGunLiberal Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:16:01pm

The more I think about it, the more remote my chances of being able the person in Colorado are very bad for the simple reason of distance, which means I'm not around her very much right now.

Statistically, I think I am completely screwed when it comes to relationships. Being the combination of Muslim and Autistic in the US, at least from what I can tell, makes it statistically a near impossibility to find someone.

Also, I've done a quick crash off my meds, as the increased dosage I have had since early February has been screwing with classes. Plan to start taking them again Tomorrow.

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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:17:06pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Heh. Tyranny of the minority.

Ok. Forgive me for saying this.
Your attitude today would've prevented any kind of social movement from happening in the 60s.
Sorry, but thems the brakes.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:17:08pm

re: #186 Killgore Trout

The companies aren't making a moral choice. They don't want the bad publicity and harrasing calls from activists. The single line that media matters and charles left out of the excerpt of the .advertiser request.

They don't want to anger the tiny minority of people creating the controversy. It's not a moral decision on their part.

True, they are making a decision based on the market. However, if this were a tiny minority, the advertisers would not be responding. I actually know something about how boycotts like this work. Something like this indicates a considerable grassroots support.

BDS fails and fails and fails. Getting Penney's to ditch Ellen failed. This is doing very well.

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ProGunLiberal Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:17:20pm

re: #196 ProGunLiberal

Also, next person who I hear says that Asperger's Syndrome isn't a disability will be punted like a football.

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b_sharp Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:18:28pm

The advertisers are not being coerced to remove their ads, they have simply been convinced there are enough people who disapprove of Limbaugh's attitude to make a business decision.

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ozbloke Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:18:37pm

re: #196 ProGunLiberal

Statistically, I think I am completely screwed when it comes to relationships. Being the combination of Muslim and Autistic in the US, at least from what I can tell, makes it statistically a near impossibility to find someone.

When you least expect it.
One of them will get you, they are cunning that way...

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wrenchwench Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:18:52pm

re: #196 ProGunLiberal

The more I think about it, the more remote my chances of being able the person in Colorado are very bad for the simple reason of distance, which means I'm not around her very much right now.

Statistically, I think I am completely screwed when it comes to relationships. Being the combination of Muslim and Autistic in the US, at least from what I can tell, makes it statistically a near impossibility to find someone.

Also, I've done a quick crash off my meds, as the increased dosage I have had since early February has been screwing with classes. Plan to start taking them again Tomorrow.

I think you should have another go at that first paragraph.

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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:19:23pm

Sigh, now I feel like a jerk.

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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:19:26pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

Sorry, I don't mean to single you out but this is the kind of thing that really gives me the creeps and I suspect is a larger part of the motive here. I think it's a mistake to think your side is going to gain political power by taking Rush off the air. It's wrong morally and historically to think that silencing others is going to lead to any sort of lasting victory in a free society.

Why don't you just go back to supporting Susan G. Komen against Planned Parenthood.

That was a way more interesting thread jack.

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b_sharp Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:19:33pm

re: #197 Varek Raith

Ok. Forgive me for saying this.
Your attitude today would've prevented any kind of social movement from happening in the 60s.
Sorry, but thems the brakes.

The breaks too.

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Aye Pod Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:19:34pm

Arguments are attempts to shut down opposing voices. They do it on both sides. I could cite endless lists of bad arguments but people won't listen. Their minds are made up on the matter. Brings the whole culture down. It's human nature I guess but still, pretty sad state of affairs.

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boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:20:13pm

re: #191 Killgore Trout

Damn, Is it past 5 already? I'm late for my drink and I haven't even had a shower yet today. I'm sober and stinky. Where did the day go?

ahh, sober... your previous words make more sense now.... lol

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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:21:19pm

re: #205 b_sharp

The breaks too.

Fucking homophones.
/

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Gus Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:21:25pm

re: #206 1ceweasel

...

Nothing like the tyranny of the minority of womyns seeking beta-males keeping the alpha males down man!

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b_sharp Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:21:55pm

re: #203 Varek Raith

Sigh, now I feel like a jerk.

Why is that any different?

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boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:22:10pm

re: #199 ProGunLiberal

Also, next person who I hear says that Asperger's Syndrome isn't a disability will be punted like a football.

It most certainly is not.... what? *PUNT* OOF!

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Interesting Times Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:22:20pm

re: #197 Varek Raith

Ok. Forgive me for saying this.
Your attitude today would've prevented any kind of social movement from happening in the 60s.
Sorry, but thems the brakes.

You are correct. And I see it's time for me to re-post this:

The Racist Tree

Tyranny of the minority!!1! Suppression of freedom of speach!!1!

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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:22:57pm

re: #199 ProGunLiberal

Also, next person who I hear who says that Asperger's Syndrome isn't a disability will be punted like a football.

My mom thinks I have a minor form of it.

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b_sharp Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:23:11pm

re: #208 Varek Raith

Fucking homophones.
/

It actually does make sense using brakes though.

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Iwouldprefernotto Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:23:57pm

As much as I hate him, Rush is going to be on the air for a long time. He will be making less money, and maybe a few brave Republicans will stand up to him (finally), but he's not going away.

He will get new advertisers, vested interests that need him (Koch industries, conservative pols, RW causes.) It pains me to say this, but Rush is going to be on the air until he dies.

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BongCrodny Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:24:28pm

re: #203 Varek Raith

Sigh, now I feel like a jerk.

Me too.

Oh, wait -- you're talking about the noun, aren't you?

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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:24:55pm

re: #216 BongCrodny

Me too.

Oh, wait -- you're talking about the noun, aren't you?

Lol.

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PhillyPretzel Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:25:29pm

re: #215 Iwouldprefernotto
Probably. He still has some clout in certain circles.

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boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:25:30pm

re: #216 BongCrodny

Me too.

Oh, wait -- you're talking about the noun, aren't you?

ROTFLMAO...

Oh and beer spewed on screen and keyboard too...

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wheat-dogg Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:25:53pm

re: #208 Varek Raith

Fucking homophones.
/

It's the homophone agenda.

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Gus Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:26:11pm

Yeah. Just think of what Rush did to Sandra Fluke as a squabble. Then it's easy to blow it off. Ain't that right Ice?

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Aye Pod Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:26:34pm

re: #209 Gus

...

[wingnutNothing like the tyranny of the minority of womyns seeking beta-males keeping the alpha males down man![/wongnut]

One-man manosphere Rush Limbaugh would certainly agree with that.

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Kragar Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:26:59pm

re: #206 1ceweasel

The Allied Forces were responsible for World War II because they fought the Axis Powers instead of ignoring them.
/

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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:27:04pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

Sorry, I don't mean to single you out but this is the kind of thing that really gives me the creeps and I suspect is a larger part of the motive here. I think it's a mistake to think your side is going to gain political power by taking Rush off the air. It's wrong morally and historically to think that silencing others is going to lead to any sort of lasting victory in a free society.

Sagehen's hyperbole aside, even if Rush goes off the air, there's plenty of other RWNJ talk shows out there and others that want to break through from the local/regional markets to the bigs.

Rush's problem is not those calling for his head on a pike, because IMO, criticism of him over the whole Fluke debacle is entirely justified. His problem is that his ego overloads his mouth and won't allow him to back off to save his own hide, because he hasn't had to before. Now, with the rise of the Internet as a potent means to discuss politics and effect political change, the talk radio dinosaurs can't just say what they want and have it fade away like they used too.

The Internet is forever.

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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:27:24pm

re: #196 ProGunLiberal

Dude, please re-group. Take care.

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Gus Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:27:32pm

re: #222 1ceweasel

One-man manosphere Rush Limbaugh would certainly agree with that.

Wait. Where's Ice? D'oh!

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Gus Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:28:11pm

Heh. I bet if Rush or some other radio nut was saying things like this about Saint Bibi we'd be hearing a different tune.

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boxhead Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:28:41pm

Got to go. Party getting ready to start.... night all...

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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:29:15pm

re: #224 talon_262

Sagehen's hyperbole aside, even if Rush goes off the air, there's plenty of other RWNJ talk shows out there and others that want to break through from the local/regional markets to the bigs.

Rush's problem is not those calling for his head on a pike, because IMO, criticism of him over the whole Fluke debacle is entirely justified. His problem is that his ego overloads his mouth and won't allow him to back off to save his own hide, because he hasn't had to before. Now, with the rise of the Internet as a potent means to discuss politics and effect political change, the talk radio dinosaurs can't just say what they want and have it fade away like they used too.

The Internet is forever.

Tell that to folks whose websites were hosted by Geocities.

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BrainSurfer Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:29:43pm

re: #60 CuriousLurker

What tyranny? Your opinion on this subject is a minority one, yet no one has muzzled you. You're free to keep expressing what you think and the rest of us are free to keep saying we think you're wrong. That's how it works.

Well put, CuriousLurker.

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ProGunLiberal Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:30:22pm

re: #202 wrenchwench

I see what you mean:

The more I think about it, the more remote my chances of being able to get a relationship with the person in Colorado are very bad for the simple reason of distance, which means I'm not around her very much right now.

re: #211 boxhead

I feel constantly stressed from not being able to read non-verbal signs, have a hard time keeping a lock on emotions, and most people around me, including my own cousins who are 4-6 years younger than me have already been in a relationship and are learning how they work. I will be 22 in just a bit more than 3 months, and have never had a relationship. I've heard people avoid relationships with people like me, as at this point they are seen as defective.

Unfortunately, I can't come up with a logical (or otherwise) rebuttal of any sort to that thinking.

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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:32:00pm

re: #226 Gus

Wait. Where's Ice? D'oh!

Yes, who is this usurper?!?!
/

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BongCrodny Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:32:32pm

I'm not certain how established in law it is, but it's long been a tenet of this country that the citizens own the airwaves.

Nobody's silencing conservative voices; if they were there would be hundreds of conservative talk show hosts pounding the pavement looking for work.

I'm still not sure how a demand for the responsible use of one's property is somehow equivalent to tyranny.

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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:32:39pm

re: #203 Varek Raith

Sigh, now I feel like a jerk.

STFU

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Aye Pod Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:32:56pm

re: #221 Gus

Yeah. Just think of what Rush did to Sandra Fluke as a squabble. Then it's easy to blow it off. Ain't that right Ice?

Yep. Squabbling, for example defending yourself against evil slurs - is an ugly activity and righteous sensible types prefer to take no side, pausing merely to look down their nose at the whole scene.

Oh yes - ice and I have certainly been there a few times.

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wrenchwench Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:33:17pm

re: #231 ProGunLiberal

I see what you mean:

re: #211 boxhead

I feel constantly stressed from not being able to read non-verbal signs, have a hard time keeping a lock on emotions, and most people around me, including my own cousins who are 4-6 years younger than me have already been in a relationship and are learning how they work. I will be 22 in just a bit more than 3 months, and have never had a relationship. I've heard people avoid relationships with people like me, as at this point they are seen as defective.

Unfortunately, I can't come up with a logical (or otherwise) rebuttal of any sort to that thinking.

Relax. Enjoy everything you can enjoy now. The rest will come to you. Patience.

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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:33:18pm

re: #234 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

STFU

Ok...
...
NO U!
:P

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wrenchwench Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:34:33pm

Later, lizards.

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Interesting Times Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:34:57pm

Is there a hashtag for Game Change or are we just sticking with #LazyFilms?
— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) March 11, 2012

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PhillyPretzel Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:35:54pm

re: #238 wrenchwench
lol

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Aye Pod Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:35:59pm

re: #226 Gus

Wait. Where's Ice? D'oh!

She's just gone to bed, where I'll be going in a moment.

Night folks, and take care :)

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blueraven Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:36:13pm

re: #233 BongCrodny

I'm not certain how established in law it is, but it's long been a tenet of this country that the citizens own the airwaves.

Nobody's silencing conservative voices; if they were there would be hundreds of conservative talk show hosts pounding the pavement looking for work.

I'm still not sure how a demand for the responsible use of one's property is somehow equivalent to tyranny.

It is not. It is trying to affect change through social pressure. We have done it in this country since day one.

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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:37:02pm

Turtle Shuriken!

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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:37:47pm

re: #229 Targetpractice

Tell that to folks whose websites were hosted by Geocities.

Well, almost forever. I'm sure that some of those GeoCities sites are in the Wayback Machine in some form or fashion, however.

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Artist Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:40:05pm

re: #231 ProGunLiberal

Hang in there, bud.

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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:25:40pm

re: #204 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

Why don't you just go back to supporting Susan G. Komen against Planned Parenthood.

That was a way more interesting thread jack.

Yeah, that's another one. I just can't work up the ire and hate to to join in the mob against a charity who provides free cancer screening for poor women. I might disagree with some of their politics but for me it's not something I want to support.

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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:29:22pm

re: #197 Varek Raith

Ok. Forgive me for saying this.
Your attitude today would've prevented any kind of social movement from happening in the 60s.
Sorry, but thems the brakes.

It's a shitty strawman to erect by claiming that I wouldn't support the civil right movement but I forgive you. You aren't the first one to come at me with that so I'm used to it now.

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b_sharp Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:40:42pm

re: #247 Killgore Trout

It's a shitty strawman to erect by claiming that I wouldn't support the civil right movement but I forgive you. You aren't the first one to come at me with that so I'm used to it now.

That's not what he said. He said that if the apathy you show now was prevalent in the '60s, the civil rights movement would have been toothless.

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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:46:20pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

Yes, I have no interest in activism to silence opposition radio shows.

What is wrong with activism? If we dislike what Rush says aren't we free to tell both him and his advertisers so? If we are able to stir up others to protest along with us, to get others that share our views to actually make their voice heard also, instead of doing nothing, is that wrong?

If we really are such a tiny minority then why would the advertisers bother to listen to us, aren't they still free to do whatever they feel is in their best interest with their advertising dollars? Rush has a large and long term committed audience many of whom are surely sending these same companies e-mails/phone calls/letters supporting their advertising on Rush's show.

The companies (some of whom are quite large and have 9 figure advertising budgets) are not stupid, decisions to spend millions on nationwide ad campaigns are not made without considerable forethought and planning. Conversely they would not abandon such a commitment lightly either, especially when it meant assuming the appearance of taking sides in a dispute and alienating the very people they had been targeting with ads before their withdrawal.

You apparently believe that the decision by these companies to withdraw their ads is the result of some type of "undue pressure or threat" by a tiny yet overly vocal minority. I in turn assure you that since this first started millions of dollars have changed hands as companies have sought out the advice of polling groups, P.R. firms, and image consultants to determine the best course of action. I'm sure there were a couple of "knee-jerk" ad withdrawals by smaller companies but the big boys just don't operate that way.

If a larger company has withdrawn their ads it was because they saw it as a sound business decision that would profit them in the long run. Or perhaps, just maybe, because people within the company with the authority to make the decision were also offended and were willing to take the hit for any negative consequences rather than continue to support Rush.

Either way it is 100% Free Market and 100% Freedom of Speech.

What alternative do you propose? Should people be banned from contacting advertisers of shows that they dislike? Should online petitions and contact form groups be banned instead/also?

If I as a faithful consumer of brand X notice that brand X is supporting someone whose political or sociological views I despise because of their racism, misogyny, support for theocracy, support for genocide, support for skinning baby kittens alive, or whatever other dastardly thing there might be beyond even that, through their advertising. Do I not have the right to tell them so and assure them that I will never buy brand X again for the rest of my natural life if they continue to do so? Do I not also have the right to contact my friends and after explaining my grievance ask them to refrain from purchasing brand X too if they agree with me?

Because really when you boil it down, that is all that is happening here, your concerns seem somewhat misplaced Killgore, sorry.

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Obdicut Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:16:33pm

re: #248 b_sharp

That's not what he said. He said that if the apathy you show now was prevalent in the '60s, the civil rights movement would have been toothless.

Killgore either doesn't actually read the posts addressing him or, reading them, he discards them and substitutes a version that's easier to push back against.

I really wouldn't mind his contrarion bullshit if he'd just up his level of bullshit. His argument solely consists of him stating his position over and over and over and over without ever actually entering into a discussion.

Then he laments the lack of a discussion.

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makeitstop Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:39:47pm

re: #87 talon_262

This is true about online feeds of radio stations, so I think Media Matters needs to have people listening to local feeds to get the true count. That being said, however, I don't think that the number of advertisers that asked not to be ran doing Rush's show is anything to sneeze at, if that ClearChannel sales memo is any indication.

Wait a second. This is not true. Not even close.

Listen to the online feed of WCBS-AM or WINS-AM or WFAN in New York. All o them run paid ads. Lots of them.

There is no rule against paid ads on an online feed. That's 100% bullshit.

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William of Orange Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:30:04am

Hell, why not just include the whole Fox "news" network?

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Stephen T. Sun, Mar 11, 2012 12:09:32pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

The one problem with your point is that the ads described as being in the online feed exactly matched the ones heard over broadcast, including the dead air.

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