Sen. James Inhofe: The Bible Disproves Global Warming

“My point is, God’s still up there”
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Right Wing Watch posted this last week, and I should have mentioned it before because it really is remarkable. One of the main Republican spokespersons for the anti-science climate change denial movement, Sen. James Inhofe, pretty much came right out and admitted that the reason why he denigrates and attacks climate science is because the Bible told him not to worry.

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Eliason: Senator, we’re going to talk about your book for a minute, you state in your book which by the way is called The Greatest Hoax, you state in your book that one of your favorite Bible verses, Genesis 8:22, ‘while the earth remaineth seed time and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease,’ what is the significance of these verses to this issue?

Inhofe: Well actually the Genesis 8:22 that I use in there is that ‘as long as the earth remains there will be seed time and harvest, cold and heat, winter and summer, day and night,’ my point is, God’s still up there. The arrogance of people to think that we, human beings, would be able to change what He is doing in the climate is to me outrageous.

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190 comments
1 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:27:07pm

Just as I predicted yesterday, by the way, the wingnut kook bloggers are now yelling that I'm "embracing Louis Farrakhan."

Morons.

2 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:27:49pm

So Senator, what about those of us who don't believe in your God? Or don't believe in any God?

3 erik_t  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:28:07pm

I have two books that say AGW is real.

Game, set, match you backwards-ass dumbshit.

4 AK-47%  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:28:22pm

There are no "hockey stick" graphs in the Bible!!!

5 AK-47%  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:29:56pm

I do not know enough about Imhofe to say whether he is is just a big, naive dumbf*ck out there or a cynical bastard in the pockets of vested interests who knows that this sort of BS will play well to a certain segment of the public.

6 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:29:58pm
7 Kragar  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:30:02pm

The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false. - Thomas Aquinas

Thomas Aquinas, noted commie liberal Marxist.

8 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:30:59pm

"Well actually the Genesis 8:22 that I use..."
He has his own version of Genesis? I thought there was only one version. I guess there must be a wingnut version. //

9 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:31:21pm

Deuteronomy 28:23-24

The heavens over your head will be like copper and the land beneath you will be like iron.

The Lord will make the rain of your land dust and dirt; from the heaven it will descend on you until you are destroyed.

See I can quote the Bible too!

10 ozbloke  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:31:40pm

The scripture says nothing of the extremes of the seasons, nor the bounty of the harvest.
I suggest he has pre conceived ideas about climate change.

11 AK-47%  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:32:08pm

I base my view of science more on a reading of Apocaplypse than of Genesis, Senator Imhofe...

12 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:32:27pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Just as I predicted yesterday, by the way, the wingnut kook bloggers are now yelling that I'm "embracing Louis Farrakhan."

Morons.

What do they care? I thought you were supposed to be irrelevant.

Sounds like an incurable case of CJDS (Charles Johnson Derangement Syndrome)

13 kirkspencer  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:32:40pm

re: #5 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

I do not know enough about Imhofe to say whether he is is just a big, naive dumbf*ck out there or a cynical bastard in the pockets of vested interests who knows that this sort of BS will play well to a certain segment of the public.

Bit of both, actually.

14 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:32:43pm

what we need more of in government is voodoo, prophecy, mumbo jumbo, and speaking in tongues

how about some wiggling on the floor, get that old timey jug band religion Inhofe, the lord got himself inside you, heal your gout and your impotency

15 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:33:12pm

re: #8 Georgia Tech Aunt

"Well actually the Genesis 8:22 that I use..."
He has his own version of Genesis? I thought there was only one version. I guess there must be a wingnut version. //

Well, there are over a dozen various translations of the Bible, so who knows which version he's using. My votes on the New International Version.

16 dr. luba  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:33:26pm

Rachel Maddow announced that he had agreed to come on her show this coming week to discuss the book. It should be interesting....if he shows up.

17 AK-47%  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:33:28pm

re: #13 kirkspencer

Bit of both, actually.

those make the best shills: the ones who actually believe it are the ones who can bring it across most convincingly.

18 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:34:13pm

Senator Inhofe, I would respond by noting that God helps him who help himself. To presume to know the details of God's plan as you do, sir, is presumptuous to the point of blasphemy.

19 erik_t  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:34:27pm

re: #12 CuriousLurker

What do they care? I thought you were supposed to be irrelevant.

Sounds like an incurable case of CJDS (Charles Johnson Derangement Syndrome)

If we're going all the way to four letters, we might as well just go with the catch-all DERP.

20 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:36:14pm
21 Michael McBacon  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:36:43pm

Wait a minute... penguins aren't in the Bible. They must be tuxedoed demons.

22 AK-47%  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:37:08pm

re: #20 Interesting Times

And why is it that people who reject Evolution are often such big fans of Social Darwinism?

23 Kragar  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:37:41pm

If Inhofe really believes everything in the Bible, I'm going to assume he thinks everyone with a tattoo hates God.

Its in the Bible after all.

24 steve_davis  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:38:59pm

Caption: "Crap. This seemed like a good idea at the time. Anybody remember which direction the restrooms are in?"

25 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:39:55pm

re: #19 erik_t

If we're going all the way to four letters, we might as well just go with the catch-all DERP.

CJDS is more descriptive of the hate that gets aimed at Charles. It's intense and personal; They like to insult everything about Charles, to the point that if he announced he'd bought the best quality bicycle in the world they'd call it a "cheap and pathetic" just to hate on him. It's so sick it can only be called deranged.

26 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:40:43pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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Derp to the nth power

27 Lidane  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:41:20pm

re: #23 Kragar

If Inhofe really believes everything in the Bible, I'm going to assume he thinks everyone with a tattoo hates God.

Its in the Bible after all.

Along with anyone who wears mixed fibers, eats shellfish, wears gold, or who braids their hair. All of them offend God as well.

28 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:43:02pm
29 AK-47%  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:43:47pm

The Bible is not a science textbook. It is not required to be objectively vverifiable or consistent within itself.

It allows you to be selectively adamant about which parts of it you take literally and which you consider vitally important.

Which is one major, major reason our Founding Fathers made sure that questions of Biblical imterpretation would not become matters of State.

30 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:43:55pm
31 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:44:06pm

I just read a Mark Steyn column where he says he'll be guest-hosting for Rush tomorrow. Limbaugh seems to be trying to reduce his profile.

32 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:44:55pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon
Damage control? /

33 AK-47%  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:45:02pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

I just read a Mark Steyn column where he says he'll be guest-hosting for Rush tomorrow. Limbaugh seems to be trying to reduce his profile.

He has to fly down to the Cayman Islands to refill his presecriptions and do some banking business...

34 kirkspencer  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:45:07pm

re: #21 Michael McBacon

Wait a minute... penguins aren't in the Bible. They must be tuxedoed demons.

Actually, my favorite animal for Bible debunking is the platypus.

There was this flood, you see. And we can find animals on the mainland at least distantly related to most of them on the island.

Except the platypus. God's joke, His reminder that when we think we know it all, we don't. Ain't nothing like it between Ararat and Australia.

Which means that God had to do more miracles on top of miracles. At which point why bother?

35 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:46:47pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

I just read a Mark Steyn column where he says he'll be guest-hosting for Rush tomorrow. Limbaugh seems to be trying to reduce his profile.

So Rush is now going into hiding, thinking that if he's not in front of the mike, it'll all blow over. Sadly, he's probably right.

36 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:47:02pm

re: #33 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

He has to fly down to the Cayman Islands to refill his prescriptions and do some banking business...

Or maybe a quick jaunt to the Dominican Republic for some "stress relief"...

37 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:49:15pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

So Rush is now going into hiding, thinking that if he's not in front of the mike, it'll all blow over. Sadly, he's probably right.

It's got a chance, given the short attention span of the American media.

38 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:49:25pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

So Rush is now going into hiding, thinking that if he's not in front of the mike, it'll all blow over. Sadly, he's probably right.

Banking on Americans' short attention span; as much as I wanted to see Rush get his comeuppance for all of the shit he's said over the years, culminating in the Fluke incident, he may just come out of this on top.

39 Mattand  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:49:44pm

re: #16 dr. luba

Rachel Maddow announced that he had agreed to come on her show this coming week to discuss the book. It should be interesting...if he shows up.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if our old friend "Scheduling Conflicts" rears its head.

There's a reason most conservatives avoid Maddow: she'll logically shred their arguments without a breaking a sweat. Another bonus is that she won't succumb to FBS (False Balance Syndrome) the way Jon Stewart sometimes does.

40 freetoken  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:50:25pm
One of the main Republican spokespeople for the anti-science climate change denial movement, Sen. James Inhofe ...

He's also a creationist, and one of the key reasons the Senate has not ratified the UN Law of The Sea treaty apparently because it's some nasty plot by the UN to take over the world or something.

Inhofe, along with the likes of Senator DeMint, is behind much of the lethargy of the Senate in addressing important issues.

41 Mattand  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:51:06pm

re: #38 talon_262

Banking on Americans' short attention span; as much as I wanted to see Rush get his comeuppance for all of the shit he's said over the years, culminating in the Fluke incident, he may just come out of this on top.

Yeah, I'm fully expecting his advertisers to slowly start drifting back in, or new ones who share his ideology to pick up the slack.

42 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:51:45pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

It's got a chance, given the short attention span of the American media.

Scrubbing the evidence and then running for cover, I'd say he knows how to play the game well, having plenty of experience. Expect him back by next week, after the media's found some new chew toy, acting like nothing ever happened.

43 kirkspencer  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:52:57pm

re: #39 mattand

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if our old friend "Scheduling Conflicts" rears its head.

There's a reason most conservatives avoid Maddow: she'll logically shred their arguments without a breaking a sweat. Another bonus is that she won't succumb to FBS (False Balance Syndrome) the way Jon Stewart sometimes does.

He might have other issues. Remember he's 78. When (if) he runs for re-election in 2014 he'll be 80.

44 kirkspencer  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:54:23pm

re: #40 freetoken

He's also a creationist, and one of the key reasons the Senate has not ratified the UN Law of The Sea treaty apparently because it's some nasty plot by the UN to take over the world or something.

Inhofe, along with the likes of Senator DeMint, is behind much of the lethargy of the Senate in addressing important issues.

This point in mind, please remember that on any ranking of conservatives in the Senate, Inhofe never makes the top ten of most conservative.

45 Michael McBacon  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:54:41pm

Charles, I had a feeling the usual RW suspects would call you a Farrakhan sympathizer. Interesting how some of them are Nazi sympathizers.

46 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:54:49pm

re: #40 freetoken

He's also a creationist, and one of the key reasons the Senate has not ratified the UN Law of The Sea treaty apparently because it's some nasty plot by the UN to take over the world or something.

Inhofe, along with the likes of Senator DeMint, is behind much of the lethargy of the Senate in addressing important issues.

Yep. And the GOP elevates him to high positions. His brand of anti-science is valued highly by the GOP. He's a leader for them.

Anyone who votes GOP has got to understand they're voting for Inhofe as the ranking member of The Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works.

47 freetoken  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:56:25pm

re: #44 kirkspencer

This point in mind, please remember that on any ranking of conservatives in the Senate, Inhofe never makes the top ten of most conservative.

Probably because he seems to not mind a bit of pork barreling and spending money. He may be a SoCon, but he does know how to represent his state well.

48 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:01:54pm

re: #39 mattand

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if our old friend "Scheduling Conflicts" rears its head.

There's a reason most conservatives avoid Maddow: she'll logically shred their arguments without a breaking a sweat. Another bonus is that she won't succumb to FBS (False Balance Syndrome) the way Jon Stewart sometimes does.

I'd like to see her ranged against NR's Kevin D. Williamson. His arguments are almost always first rate and he's gone after her in print to good effect recently. It would be a tough match, to be sure.

49 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:02:36pm

re: #43 kirkspencer

He might have other issues. Remember he's 78. When (if) he runs for re-election in 2014 he'll be 80.

He also has *gulp* a commercial pilot's license and has had some issues there as well:

On October 21, 2010, at the age of 75, Inhofe landed his Cessna on a closed runway at a south Texas airport, scattering construction workers who ran for their lives. In a recorded telephone call, the men's supervisor told the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) that Inhofe "scared the crap out of" workers, adding that the Cessna "damn near hit" a truck. And the airport manager, also speaking to the FAA in a recorded telephone call, opined, “I’ve got over 50 years flying, three tours of Vietnam, and I can assure you I have never seen such a reckless disregard for human life in my life. Something needs to be done. This guy is famous for these violations.”
In response to the incident, Inhofe stated that he "did nothing wrong", and accused the FAA of "agency overreach" and causing a "feeling of desperation" in him. He agreed to take a remedial training program, and the FAA agreed not to pursue legal action against him if he took the program. In July 2011, Inhofe introduced a bill to create a "Pilot's Bill of Rights" which he said would increase fairness in FAA enforcement actions.

I'll wager he was feeling nowhere near as desperate as those construction workers who had to run for their lives when he landed on a closed runway.
Btw, I have been flying for 44 years. If I did something like this, I might consider hanging them up rather than trying to retaliate against the enforcement agency.

50 freetoken  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:04:35pm

Quite on topic, today a bit of news on research about Greenland:


Greenland ice melt seen at lower temperatures

The complete melt of the Greenland ice sheet could occur at lower global temperatures than previously thought, a study in the journal Nature Climate Change showed on Sunday, increasing the threat and severity of a rise in sea level.

Substantial melting of land ice could contribute to long-term sea level rise of several meters, potentially threatening the lives of millions of people.

"Our study shows that a temperature threshold for melting the (ice sheet) exists and that this threshold has been overestimated until now," said scientists at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research and the Universidad Complutense de Madrid, who used computer simulations of the ice sheet's evolution to predict its future behaviour.

A complete ice sheet melt could happen if global temperatures rose between 0.8 and 3.2 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels, with a best estimate of 1.6 degrees, the scientists said.

Previous research has suggested the ice sheet could melt in a range of a 1.9 to 5.1 degree temperature rise, with a best estimate of 3.1 degrees.

[...]

Here's the paper:


Multistability and critical thresholds of the Greenland ice sheet

Recent studies have focused on the short-term contribution of the Greenland ice sheet to sea-level rise, yet little is known about its long-term stability. The present best estimate of the threshold in global temperature rise leading to complete melting of the ice sheet is 3.1 °C (1.9–5.1 °C, 95% confidence interval) above the preindustrial climate1, determined as the temperature for which the modelled surface mass balance of the present-day ice sheet turns negative. Here, using a fully coupled model, we show that this criterion systematically overestimates the temperature threshold and that the Greenland ice sheet is more sensitive to long-term climate change than previously thought. We estimate that the warming threshold leading to a monostable, essentially ice-free state is in the range of 0.8–3.2 °C, with a best estimate of 1.6 °C. By testing the ice sheet’s ability to regrow after partial mass loss, we find that at least one intermediate equilibrium state is possible, though for sufficiently high initial temperature anomalies, total loss of the ice sheet becomes irreversible. Crossing the threshold alone does not imply rapid melting (for temperatures near the threshold, complete melting takes tens of millennia). However, the timescale of melt depends strongly on the magnitude and duration of the temperature overshoot above this critical threshold.

51 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:05:53pm

re: #23 Kragar

If Inhofe really believes everything in the Bible, I'm going to assume he thinks everyone with a tattoo hates God.

Its in the Bible after all.

In the Qur'an we have several verses that mention jinn spies being chased off by shooting stars.

In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Say: It has been revealed to me that a company of Jinns listened (to the Qur'an). They said,

"We have really heard a wonderful Recital! It gives guidance to the Right, and we have believed therein: we shall not join (in worship) any (gods) with our Lord. And Exalted is the Majesty of our Lord: He has taken neither a wife nor a son. There were some foolish ones among us, who used to utter extravagant lies against God; but we do think that no man or spirit should say aught that untrue against God. True, there were persons among mankind who took shelter with persons among the Jinns, but they increased them in folly. And they (came to) think as ye thought, that God would not raise up any one (to Judgment). And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires. We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush."

Qur'an 72:1-9

So am I—not to mention Muslim scientists—supposed to accept it as a matter of literal scientific fact that there are jinn spies hanging around just outside heaven trying to steal secrets and the whole purpose of shooting stars is to chase them off, therefore any other explanation is bogus?

52 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:07:40pm

re: #49 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

He also has *gulp* a commercial pilot's license and has had some issues there as well:

I'll wager he was feeling nowhere near as desperate as those construction workers who had to run for their lives when he landed on a closed runway.
Btw, I have been flying for 44 years. If I did something like this, I might consider hanging them up rather than trying to retaliate against the enforcement agency.

Yes, but you're not a senator. United States Senators tend to be an entitled bunch, and they normally expect government employees to accept the senator walking on their toes. And when the employees object or insist on applying the rules, senators sometimes reply with hostile legislation.

53 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:09:18pm

re: #22 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

And why is it that people who reject Evolution are often such big fans of Social Darwinism?

Because Social Darwinism tells they are the fittest. Evolution tells them they are close to apes.

They'll accept the former hypothesis because it makes them great. They'll reject the latter because it makes them not great.

It boils down to ego.

54 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:09:37pm

Inhofe is at least as enthusiastic about business as he is aviation. He has exhibited a similar level of prudence and competence in that field:

He worked in the field of aviation, as a real estate developer, and in insurance, eventually becoming the president of the Quaker Life Insurance Company. During the time he worked for Quaker Life, the company went into receivership; it was liquidated in 1986.

55 freetoken  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:10:19pm

Continuing on with the Reuters entry:

[...]

One-twentieth of the world's ice is in Greenland, which is about a quarter of the size of the United States and about 80 percent of it is covered by the ice sheet. If it all melted it would be equivalent to a 6.4 meter global sea level rise, previous research has shown.

"If the global temperature significantly overshoots the threshold for a long time, the ice will continue melting and not regrow - even if the climate would, after many thousand years, return to its pre-industrial state," said team leader Andrey Ganopolski at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research.

Today, global warming of 0.8 degrees has already been recorded.

"The more we exceed the threshold, the faster it melts," said Alexander Robinson, lead-author of the study.

If the world takes no action to limit greenhouse gas emissions, the earth could warm by 8 degrees Celsius.

"This would result in one fifth of the ice sheet melting within 500 years and a complete loss in 2,000 years," he said.

"This is not what one would call a rapid collapse. However, compared to what has happened in our planet's history, it is fast. And we might already be approaching the critical threshold.

If temperature rise is limited to 2 degrees Celsius, a complete melt of the ice sheet could happen in 50,000 years, the study found.

I still maintain that climate change is too slow to affect American (and probably any) political process sufficiently to stop the actions which are causing it (mainly consumption of fossil fuels, but also changes to the landscape.)

Even though changes to agriculture will occur much more rapidly than the melting of Greenland that will not be quick enough to turn us from our love of cheap energy.

56 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:11:45pm

re: #55 freetoken

Continuing on with the Reuters entry:

I still maintain that climate change is too slow to affect American (and probably any) political process sufficiently to stop the actions which are causing it (mainly consumption of fossil fuels, but also changes to the landscape.)

Even though changes to agriculture will occur much more rapidly than the melting of Greenland that will not be quick enough to turn us from our love of cheap energy.

When that ice sheet melts and the huge bubbles of methane are released, we're all fucked.

57 freetoken  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:12:55pm

re: #56 Learned Mother of Zion

When that ice sheet melts and the huge bubbles of methane are released, we're all fucked.

One lesson we know from history is that we humans do not really care all that much about the future.

There are probably a lot of moral teachings that could be gathered around this fact.

58 nines09  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:13:14pm

Inhofe is another of "Gods children" that picks and chooses which passage fits the bill for whatever snake oil they're selling at the time. His arrogance is stupefying. Leadership at the highest level.

59 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:16:14pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

I just read a Mark Steyn column where he says he'll be guest-hosting for Rush tomorrow. Limbaugh seems to be trying to reduce his profile.

I've known Mark Steyn since he was a columnist up here in Canada. He's not an improvement.

The only difference between them is hair colour and weight.

60 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:17:43pm
61 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:17:50pm

re: #57 freetoken

Humans even back during the stupid ages began projects that took centuries to complete.

I don't get the point of being a doomer.

62 Gus  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:19:18pm

The relentless attack against Sandra Fluke are never ending. My wish is that Limbaugh goes down and I mean down hard and soon. Fuck that guy and to hell with the dittoheads and anyone else involved in smearing this women. I have never attacked even my worst political enemies to this level.

63 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:20:40pm

re: #62 Gus

The relentless attack against Sandra Fluke are never ending. My wish is that Limbaugh goes down and I mean down hard and soon. Fuck that guy and to hell with the dittoheads and anyone else involved in smearing this women. I have never attacked even my worst political enemies to this level.

And, if Steyn's to be believed, he's now going to into hiding because he knows that the press won't let up so long as he's behind the microphone. So look for him to be back in a week, shrugging off the Fluke business as "old news."

64 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:22:57pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

LOL @ DefendRush.org

I just posted that in my FB page. Maybe I'll get a little action....LOL

65 ozbloke  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:25:21pm

re: #64 Kronocide

I just posted that in my FB page. Maybe I'll get a little action...LOL

Here we are, furthering the hopes and dreams of all people.
And all you want is a little action...
You are a sex God.

66 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:26:31pm

Ugh, need to go figure out how to add custom fields to WordPress. BBL

67 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:28:08pm

re: #59 Romantic Heretic

I've known Mark Steyn since he was a columnist up here in Canada. He's not an improvement.

The only difference between them is hair colour and weight.

I don't really agree, but his column goes after Sandra Fluke pretty hard. Here's it's last three paragraphs:

No, the most basic issue here is not religious morality, individual liberty, or fiscal responsibility. It’s that a society in which middle-aged children of privilege testify before the most powerful figures in the land to demand state-enforced funding for their sex lives at a time when their government owes more money than anyone has ever owed in the history of the planet is quite simply nuts. As stark staring nuts as the court of Ranavalona, the deranged nymphomaniac queen of Madagascar at whose funeral the powder keg literally went up, killing dozens and burning down three royal palaces. Indeed, one is tempted to arrange an introduction between “T Squalls, 30,” now 32 going on 33, and Sandra Fluke, 30 going on 31, like a skillfully negotiated betrothal between two royal houses in medieval Europe. The student prince would bring to the marriage his impressive fortune of a decade’s worth of Trojan Magnums, while the Princess Leia would have a dowry of index-linked RU 486s settled upon her by HHS the Margravine of Sebelius. They would not be required to produce an heir.

Insane as this scenario is, the Democrat-media complex insists that everyone take it seriously. When it emerged the other day that Amanda Clayton, a 24-year-old Michigan million-dollar-lottery winner, still receives $200 of food stamps every month, even the press and the bureaucrats were obliged to acknowledge the ridiculousness. Yet the same people are determined that Sandra Fluke be treated with respect as a pioneering spokesperson for the rights of the horizontally challenged.

Sorry, I pass. “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom,” wrote Benjamin Franklin in 1784. In the absence of religious virtue, sexual virtue, and fiscal virtue, one might trust to the people’s sense of sheer preposterousness to reject the official narrative of the Fluke charade. Yet even that is not to be permitted. Full disclosure: I will be guest-hosting for Rush Limbaugh this Monday, so it would not be appropriate for me to comment here on Rush’s intervention. But let me say this. Almost every matter of the moment boils down to the same story: The Left’s urge to narrow the bounds of public discourse and insist that “conventional wisdom” unknown to the world the day before yesterday is now as unquestionable as the laws of physics. Nothing that Rush said is as weird or as degrading as what Sandra Fluke and the Obama administration are demanding. And any freeborn citizen should reserve the right to point that out as loudly and as often as possible.

Read the whole thing.

68 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:29:32pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

So, what's the difference again? That he uses prettier language to call her a slut?

69 Gus  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:30:59pm

Mark Steyn is a product of the 911 attacks. No thanks. I've heard his diatribes before and his flirtations with genocide.

70 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:32:02pm

re: #69 Gus
He is a diversion for a short sighted American listening public.

71 Kragar  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:32:29pm

How much good can someone do when the long term results of their work means disaster?

72 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:32:58pm

re: #21 Michael McBacon

Wait a minute... penguins aren't in the Bible. They must be tuxedoed demons.

This is why Linux is the preferred kernel for Satanic GNU OS distributions.

73 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:33:06pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

I stopped reading after this stupendously stupid sludge:

It’s that a society in which middle-aged children of privilege testify before the most powerful figures in the land to demand state-enforced funding for their sex lives at a time when their government owes more money than anyone has ever owed in the history of the planet is quite simply nuts.

For the 100,000,001th time - she was talking about private insurance, NOT taxpayer money, and she make no fucking mention of her own sex life.

Mendacious mud-dwelling mouthpiece Mark Steyn: all the odiousness of Limbaugh without the name recognition.

74 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:33:13pm

Rush taking an unscheduled day off? Is that the story?

Coming home to roost, and all that.

75 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:33:32pm

re: #68 Obdicut

So, what's the difference again? That he uses prettier language to call her a slut?

Steyn actually makes his argument the focus, with his main target Fluke's position, though he gives her a strong dose of nastiness. Rush just spewed at Fluke, with his main objective attacking her to fire up his audience. Steyn was more careful in language and better focused in goals, that's the difference.

76 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:34:23pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

Benjamin Franklin was a middle age person of privilege as well. He was able to lecture people on sexual virtue without actually practicing it himself.
Interesting article, Thank you for posting it. I have never heard of this Steyn guy before.

77 Gus  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:34:46pm

re: #74 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

Rush taking an unscheduled day off? Is that the story?

Coming home to roost, and all that.

Maybe it's moving day and he's packing to finally leave to Costa Rica for good. We should be so lucky. He can take the whole Breitbart.com staff with him.

78 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:35:44pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

Steyn actually makes his argument the focus, with his main target Fluke's position, though he gives her a strong dose of nastiness.

This isn't true, though. He just lies. You see that, right?

When you lie, you're not making an argument. You're just lying.

79 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:35:44pm

re: #73 Interesting Times

I stopped reading after this stupendously stupid sludge:

For the 100,000,001th time - she was talking about private insurance, NOT taxpayer money, and she make no fucking mention of her own sex life.

Mendacious mud-dwelling mouthpiece Mark Steyn: all the odiousness of Limbaugh without the name recognition.

If the government requires private insurance to cover contraception, then that is "state-enforced funding". "State funding" would be where the government directly funded the contraceptives.

80 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:35:55pm

re: #68 Obdicut

So, what's the difference again? That he uses prettier language to call her a slut?

He has a charming accent.

81 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:36:12pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

Steyn is still lying about everything Sandra Fluke said. He can take his "arguments" and shove them up the same orifice from whence they came.

82 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:36:27pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

Dude. She still pays for the health insurance. The state isn't funding it. The insurance company isn't funding it. She's paying for it.

83 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:36:35pm

Not a huge deal but, here is another thing to uselessly protest, GM's support of heartland:
[Link: climatecrocks.com...]

I just wish activism wasn't so dang ineffective. /

84 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:36:41pm

re: #76 The Round Heeled Savage Cannibal Ghoul

Benjamin Franklin was a middle age person of privilege as well. He was able to lecture people on sexual virtue without actually practicing it himself.
Interesting article, Thank you for posting it. I have never heard of this Steyn guy before.

If I did good, put a ding on it.

85 Gus  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:37:07pm

So to recap: Mark Steyn is Rush Limbaugh with a fake British accent -- given that he's Canadian.

//

86 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:37:43pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

Are you coming on to me?
LOL j/k!

87 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:38:42pm
88 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:39:10pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Just as I predicted yesterday, by the way, the wingnut kook bloggers are now yelling that I'm "embracing Louis Farrakhan."

Morons.

Isn't Farrakhan a little too complex (and a tad weird) to pigeonhole?

89 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:39:53pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

I don't really agree, but his column goes after Sandra Fluke pretty hard. Here's it's last three paragraphs:

Read the whole thing.

middle-aged children of privilege testify before the most powerful figures in the land

Oh. Oh. Middle aged woman of 30 = fucking misogyny

And then to named elected representatives (by the stupid whim of the electorate, natch) as the most powerful figures in the LAND. so fucked up.

90 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:39:55pm
91 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:39:57pm

re: #5 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

I do not know enough about Imhofe to say whether he is is just a big, naive dumbf*ck out there or a cynical bastard in the pockets of vested interests who knows that this sort of BS will play well to a certain segment of the public.

He's driven by his religious belief system.

92 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:40:17pm
Grover Norquist ‏ @GroverNorquist
Gas in DC at $4.26. Thank you Obama.

Amazing that such an educated man can be so stupid. Or, he's a partisan hack.

93 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:40:38pm
94 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:41:36pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

If the government requires private insurance to cover contraception, then that is "state-enforced funding". "State funding" would be where the government directly funded the contraceptives.

The private insurer is "funding the sex life" anyway, and paying more for it if they don't cover contraception. Pregnancy and the other medical conditions hormonal contraception prevents will always cost more than simply covering the medication. Therefore this line of reasoning presented by Steyn is inherently flawed, why can't you see that?

95 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:41:52pm

re: #8 Georgia Tech Aunt

"Well actually the Genesis 8:22 that I use..."
He has his own version of Genesis? I thought there was only one version. I guess there must be a wingnut version. //

The Bible translation version makes the story.

96 Gus  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:43:29pm

re: #92 Kronocide

Amazing that such an educated man can be so stupid. Or, he's a partisan hack.

Pfft. DC always has expensive gas. Tell him to shop around next time.

[Link: www.washingtondcgasprices.com...]

97 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:43:42pm
98 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:43:44pm

And when did 30 become middle age? Did the US get down graded now and on average we are only living to 60?

99 Gus  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:44:34pm

re: #97 CuriousLurker

I can see Dark blushing from here, heh.

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Occupy the greenhouse! Boycott owners who make you stay indoors!

Okay, I'm going this time. Really, I am.

Pepper Cat-nip spray!

//

100 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:44:40pm

re: #82 Obdicut

Dude. She still pays for the health insurance. The state isn't funding it. The insurance company isn't funding it. She's paying for it.

If you (or anyone) can ever come up with a plausible explanation for why people can't seem to grasp this, I will send you a random {monetarily worthless but perhaps entertaining from a dadaist point of view} artifact from my apartment.

101 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:45:59pm

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

The private insurer is "funding the sex life" anyway, and paying more for it if they don't cover contraception. Pregnancy and the other medical conditions hormonal contraception prevents will always cost more than simply covering the medication. Therefore this line of reasoning presented by Steyn is inherently flawed, why can't you see that?

I think he'd answer that doesn't matter. From my read, he's arguing that it's a 1st Amendment issue. Reminder: That's his argument, not mine.

102 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:47:07pm

There's an argument also to be made that the State should stop enforcing funding of seat belts and vehicular airbags. It's a shitty argument but that never stopped people from making it.

103 Gus  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:47:11pm

Iraqi 'emo' youths reportedly killed by conservative militias

Dozens of Iraqi teenagers have been killed in recent months by militias who consider them to be devil worshippers, human rights activists claim.

The young people are described as "emos", a term used in the West to refer to youths who listen to rock music and wear alternative clothing.

Reports say that up to 58 teenagers have been beaten to death or shot in the last month, most of them men.

Iraq's interior ministry recently described emos as devil worshippers.

In Iraq, the term emo is also conflated with homosexuality, which although legal is socially and religiously taboo...

104 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:48:42pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

A longhair. You must be a glutton for punishment in real life as well as on LGF, Killgore.

I've had good luck with longhairs. Very affectionate.

105 jamesfirecat  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:49:47pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

Steyn actually makes his argument the focus, with his main target Fluke's position, though he gives her a strong dose of nastiness. Rush just spewed at Fluke, with his main objective attacking her to fire up his audience. Steyn was more careful in language and better focused in goals, that's the difference.

Correct Dark, his main target is what he believes Fluke's position to be.

How else can you explain him bringing up the topic of anyone's sex life?

106 jamesfirecat  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:50:35pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

If the government requires private insurance to cover contraception, then that is "state-enforced funding". "State funding" would be where the government directly funded the contraceptives.

Yes it would be, do you know anyone who is arguing that the state NEEDS to fund it directly?

107 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:50:41pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

I've had good luck with longhairs. Very affectionate.

That isn't the problem. The problem is shed fur, and I should know after all the cleaning up after my mother's late longhair I ended up doing.

108 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:51:19pm

If you are not watching CNN right now, you are missing something. They are doing a show about their crew in Syria led by reporter Arwa Damon. It is an EMMY worthy presentation.

109 Gus  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:51:25pm

Methinks that all of these wingers have a severe case of Sandra Fluke Derangement syndrome. Can't they find another way to argue their case without bringing her up and insulting her from this day forward? What the heck is wrong with these people?

110 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:51:43pm

re: #106 jamesfirecat

Yes it would be, do you know anyone who is arguing that the state NEEDS to fund it directly?

My comment was a reply that was intended to clarify what Steyn was saying. No more, no less.

111 jamesfirecat  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:52:42pm

re: #92 Kronocide

Amazing that such an educated man can be so stupid. Or, he's a partisan hack.

He came up with a plan to revolutionize government in his teen years and he stuck to it as an adult man.

Team Stupid rests their case.

112 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:53:11pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

My comment was a reply that was intended to clarify what Steyn was saying. No more, no less.

Do you understand that Steyn is just lying, not making an argument?

113 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:53:15pm
114 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:53:46pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

That isn't the problem. The problem is shed fur, and I should know after all the cleaning up after my mother's late longhair I ended up doing.

Roombah!

115 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:53:51pm

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

I think he'd answer that doesn't matter. From my read, he's arguing that it's a 1st Amendment issue. Reminder: That's his argument, not mine.

It's not a 1st Amendment issue, nobody is preventing the school or church from speaking their mind. The question is does the student have a right to get what they paid for, or to be forced to pay more to cover the increased expenses associated with decreased coverage simply because the school wishes to impose its own religious doctrine on them?

116 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:55:10pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout
Killgore you have two beautiful cats.

117 ozbloke  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:56:18pm

re: #116 Georgia Tech Aunt

Killgore you have two beautiful cats.

/ You know both cats are anti occupy!
Ducks under desk, snickering.

118 Tigger2005  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:56:21pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

I just read a Mark Steyn column where he says he'll be guest-hosting for Rush tomorrow. Limbaugh seems to be trying to reduce his profile.

No doubt sitting at home, doing some deep soul-searching and reflection, and promising to turn over a new leaf.

119 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:59:37pm

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

I think he'd answer that doesn't matter. From my read, he's arguing that it's a 1st Amendment issue. Reminder: That's his argument, not mine.

He can argue it all he likes. But no court would look at the fact that the faculty and staff can get contraception through the same insurance plan and conclude that it is a purely religious decision on the school's part to deny it to the students. If the school has had no difficulties following the law where the faculty and staff are concerned, then they should have no problem where the students are concerned.

120 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 5:59:47pm

re: #116 Georgia Tech Aunt

Killgore you have two beautiful cats.

Thanks. I love them lots but they can be trying at times. The greenhouse was built partially for them. My house is 100 years old and dark and gloomy in the winter months. This gives them some outdoor experience and a great view of the pond and hummingbirds. It's a bit too intense for them now, they'll go out only when I'm there but they'll get used to it soon.

121 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:01:32pm

re: #120 Killgore Trout
I hope they enjoy it. And I hope you get a bumper crop of whatever you decide to grow.

122 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:01:48pm

re: #112 Obdicut

Do you understand that Steyn is just lying, not making an argument?

No, I don't. Why do you believe that to be true?

123 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:04:08pm

re: #121 Georgia Tech Aunt

I hope they enjoy it. And I hope you get a bumper crop of whatever you decide to grow.

I'm already harvesting peas, kohlrabi, lemons, cilantro. Tomatoes, peppers, basil are coming along nicely. It's my favorite room in the house by far.

124 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:05:08pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

If the government requires private insurance to cover contraception, then that is "state-enforced funding". "State funding" would be where the government directly funded the contraceptives.

Then take away their scooters. Different health for different folks.

125 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:06:33pm

re: #109 Gus

Methinks that all of these wingers have a severe case of Sandra Fluke Derangement syndrome. Can't they find another way to argue their case without bringing her up and insulting her from this day forward? What the heck is wrong with these people?

Fluke (ie an idiotically,disgustingly distorted version of her) has become a crucial element of that alternative reality known as the wingnut factmosphere. Other famous characters that inhabit that space are Obama The Kenyan Muslim, Saul Alinsky The Father of Modern Liberalism and Joe The Plumber.

126 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:07:11pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

No, I don't. Why do you believe that to be true?

Read the transcript of Fluke's testimony again, please, and come back with any specific quote that validates a blessed thing Steyn wrote.

127 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:07:57pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

No, I don't. Why do you believe that to be true?

Again, the sex life occurs regardless of whether contraception is covered, and the consequences, pregnancy, complications, STDs, etc are all funded. The idea that the sex life is only funded when contraception is covered is a blatant falsehood.

128 ozbloke  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:08:03pm

re: #120 Killgore Trout

This gives them some outdoor experience and a great view of the pond and hummingbirds.

Reminds me of a restaurant, where you get to choose your own dinner from the aquarium.

129 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:09:18pm

re: #128 ozbloke
I will have the first lobster that moves. //

130 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:09:59pm

re: #125 1ceweasel

Fluke (ie an idiotically,disgustingly distorted version of her) has become a crucial element of that alternative reality known as the wingnut factmosphere. Other famous characters that inhabit that space are Obama The Kenyan Muslim, Saul Alinsky The Father of Modern Liberalism and Joe The Plumber.

Then I propose that references to Sandra Fluke that really refer only to her image in some media outlets and not to her as a real person be called FLUKE!!1, in the same manner as references to the REAGAN!!1 and ALINSKY!!1 of legend.

131 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:10:05pm

re: #128 ozbloke

Reminds me of a restaurant, where you get to choose your own dinner from the aquarium.

Or from the corral.

132 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:10:44pm

re: #129 Georgia Tech Aunt

I will have the first lobster that moves. //

You didn't say Simon says.

133 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:11:10pm

re: #126 Interesting Times

Read the transcript of Fluke's testimony again, please, and come back with any specific quote that validates a blessed thing Steyn wrote.

Right, this. Fluke never once mentioned covering her own or anyone else's sex life Dark. She brought up the medical conditions many women have that contraception also alleviates.

134 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:12:24pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

No, I don't. Why do you believe that to be true?

You think the following is a true statement?

Yet the same people are determined that Sandra Fluke be treated with respect as a pioneering spokesperson for the rights of the horizontally challenged.

What do you think he means by 'horizontally challenged', Dark?

And:

demand state-enforced funding for their sex lives

Do you understand that covering contraception isn't funding someone's sex life, any more than covering childbirth and delivery is?

If not, what don't you get about that?

135 jaunte  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:14:36pm

Steyn must be watching Fox.
[Link: angryblacklady.tumblr.com...]

136 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:14:40pm

Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

137 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:14:53pm

Dark, read the transcript. Limbaugh and the entire right wing are immensely ignorant of her testimony. They saw college girl + $3000 for contraception + somebody else pay for it and went nucking futz.

138 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:16:20pm

I have to go to dinner. BBL

139 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:16:43pm

re: #137 Kronocide

Dark, read the transcript. Limbaugh and the entire right wing are immensely ignorant of her testimony. They saw college girl + $3000 for contraception + somebody else pay for it and went nucking futz.

She was there on behalf of a friend who lost an ovary for want of the contraceptive pill that would have SAVED her fertility and stop the progression of a degenerative condition.

140 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:17:04pm

In fact the only time in Fluke's testimony that she mentioned anyone's sex life even obliquely was to bring up the fact that her friend with polycycstic ovarian syndrome was "gay, so clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy."

141 Gus  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:17:47pm

re: #125 1ceweasel

Fluke (ie an idiotically,disgustingly distorted version of her) has become a crucial element of that alternative reality known as the wingnut factmosphere. Other famous characters that inhabit that space are Obama The Kenyan Muslim, Saul Alinsky The Father of Modern Liberalism and Joe The Plumber.

They're regressing. After decades of being indoctrinated by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, etc., we have a whole generation on such hatred and right wing fear mongering we are now seeing the end result. Just like they used to say Reagan babies we now have to deal with Limbaugh babies. We also have to contend with the reactionary Breitbart cult who I hope will cool down over the coming weeks.

142 EdDantes  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:18:47pm

Stop telling god what to do.
-Niels Bohr

143 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:20:44pm

re: #139 Wozza Matter?

She was there on behalf of a friend who lost an ovary for want of the contraceptive pill that would have SAVED her fertility and stop the progression of a degenerative condition.

Yes, true. She's also an advocate for women's health issues.

Democrats asked the committee to substitute Sandra Fluke for Lynn. Fluke graduated from Cornell University in 2003 and spent five years working for Sanctuary for Families, a New York-based nonprofit aiding victims of domestic violence, where she launched the agency's pilot Program Evaluation Initiative. She co-founded the New York Statewide Coalition for Fair Access to Family Court, which successfully advocated for legislation granting access to civil orders of protection for unmarried victims of domestic violence, including LGBTQ victims and teens. Fluke was also a member of the Manhattan Borough President's Taskforce on Domestic Violence and numerous other New York City and New York State coalitions that successfully advocated for policy improvements impacting victims of domestic violence. While at Georgetown University Law Center, she worked on issues that involved domestic violence and human trafficking.[8] [9]

Committee chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) refused on the grounds that "she lacked expertise in questions of religious freedoms under federal law." Then Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Maryland) complained that Issa "... failed to invite any women to testify about the negative impact that restrictive insurance coverage has on them.".[10] Rep. Christopher Murphy (D-Connecticut), who had remained in the Committee room for the testimony of Dr. Allison Dabbs Garrett, J.D., and Dr. Laura Champion, M.D., argued for a second hearing to also discuss contraception issues and add more women's testimony.[11] A copy of Sandra Fluke's remarks is available from ABC News at [Link: abcnews.go.com...]
Fluke Responds to Nationwide Campaign Against Contraceptives
Fluke responds to Nationwide Campaign Against Contraceptives

Speaking before the House Democratic Steering and Policy Committee in a hearing that was not televised, Fluke argued in favor of requiring all private insurance plans to cover contraception coverage, even religious institutions. She said that over the three years as a law student, birth control could cost $3,000 in some cases. She continued that the lack of contraception coverage in the university insurance plans paid for by students and completely unsubsidized by the university would induce many low income students to go without contraceptives and that women's free health clinics cannot meet the need.

She then discussed the consequence of such policies, anecdotally citing a friend with polycystic ovary syndrome who needed the medication to treat this disease and whose out-of-pocket cost was over $100 per month. While the condition was "covered by Georgetown insurance", the insurance company repeatedly denied coverage of her prescription based on the idea that the true purpose of the medication was contraception, despite the doctor's verification of her condition.[12] She also added that this is not a rare event for women with these medical conditions under insurance plans that did not cover contraception. She then stated that she wanted equal treatment for women's health issues and did not see the issue as being against the Catholic Church.[13]

See? She's a liberal SLUT!

144 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:22:39pm

Hahaha:

145 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:25:28pm

re: #141 Gus

Just like they used to say Reagan babies we now have to deal with Limbaugh babies.

Now I have this image of a lab full of glass containers with imperfectly cloned (some horribly so) embryonic copies of Rush Limbaugh.

Thanks for nuthin' :-)

146 Gus  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:25:44pm

This outta be good.

147 Gus  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:26:55pm

re: #145 1ceweasel

Now I have this image of a lab full of glass containers with imperfectly cloned (some horribly so) embryonic copies of Rush Limbaugh.

Thanks for nuthin' :-)

But they're happy, friendly, easy going people that don't hold grudges!

//

148 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:26:57pm

re: #141 Gus

They're regressing. After decades of being indoctrinated by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, etc., we have a whole generation on such hatred and right wing fear mongering we are now seeing the end result. Just like they used to say Reagan babies we now have to deal with Limbaugh babies. We also have to contend with the reactionary Breitbart cult who I hope will cool down over the coming weeks.

It probably won't surprise you that I think this is actually another massive left wing fail. They were handed an easy victory by Rush's crude and classless rants. Instead of taking that winning issue and running with it now the discussion becomes advertiser boycotts, free speech and intolerance. OWS did the same thing. Income inequity was a winning issue but it quickly devolved into debates about the legality and wisdom of camping in urban parks with 24 hour drum circles.

149 Gus  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:27:31pm

re: #148 Killgore Trout

It probably won't surprise you that I think this is actually another massive left wing fail. They were handed an easy victory by Rush's crude and classless rants. Instead of taking that winning issue and running with it now the discussion becomes advertiser boycotts, free speech and intolerance. OWS did the same thing. Income inequity was a winning issue but it quickly devolved into debates about the legality and wisdom of camping in urban parks with 24 hour drum circles.

Whatever. Cute cats though.

150 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:28:02pm

Socrates the Druid casts Double Rainbow, it goes all the way.

151 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:28:51pm

re: #148 Killgore Trout

How would they have 'run with it', in the perfect Zen world, Killgore?

152 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:28:54pm
"The arrogance of people to think that we, human beings, would be able to change what He is doing in the climate is to me outrageous."

Of course you think that, dude. Of course.

On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent.

153 jaunte  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:29:02pm

re: #148 Killgore Trout

now the discussion becomes advertiser boycotts, free speech and intolerance

I think the government should stop prosecuting Rush for what he said.

154 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:31:30pm

re: #151 Obdicut

How would they have 'run with it', in the perfect Zen world, Killgore?

Gone after Rush without all the raping and stabbing, of course.

155 Gus  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:31:35pm

re: #148 Killgore Trout

It probably won't surprise you that I think this is actually another massive left wing fail. They were handed an easy victory by Rush's crude and classless rants. Instead of taking that winning issue and running with it now the discussion becomes advertiser boycotts, free speech and intolerance. OWS did the same thing. Income inequity was a winning issue but it quickly devolved into debates about the legality and wisdom of camping in urban parks with 24 hour drum circles.

BTW, this has nothing to do with what I said. I was talking about the creation of more lowlife nutjobs.

156 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:34:33pm

re: #148 Killgore Trout

It probably won't surprise you that I think this is actually another massive left wing fail. They were handed an easy victory by Rush's crude and classless rants. Instead of taking that winning issue and running with it now the discussion becomes advertiser boycotts, free speech and intolerance.

The fail is on your part. It appears you believe the right wing attempting to turn the issue into free speech and intolerance is a failure of the part of the left wing. The failure here is Rush Limbaugh and his legion of acolytes.

157 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:35:43pm

Charles, check out Angry Black Lady's screen grab of FoxNation.

158 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:39:56pm

re: #157 Kronocide

Charles, check out Angry Black Lady's screen grab of FoxNation.

Yeah, that's not calling her a slut on pretty much every level.....

159 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:40:07pm

re: #148 Killgore Trout

Instead of taking that winning issue and running with it now the discussion becomes advertiser boycotts, free speech and intolerance.

Bollocks. What we have here are wingnuts doubling down like crazy on Rush's odiousness, then adding to their woes by demonstrating Sarah Palin levels of ignorance and stupidity by whining about Limbaugh's 'freedom of speech' and the 'intolerance' of those who think that attacking an individual with horrible untrue smears should have consequences. In other words, a huge nugget of purest wingnut fail.

160 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:41:39pm

I was on Something Awful, and I saw this:

Jesus, I hated Religulous, and I'm a full blown agnostic. I never knew that Maher had such awful views on women and is basically a MRA type rear end in a top hat tough. Suddenly his stance with Rush Limbaugh makes sense.

I've seen the bolded acronym around alot recently. So what the hell does it mean?

161 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:42:28pm

re: #159 1ceweasel

Bollocks.

Knickknacks!

162 Kaessa  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:44:00pm

re: #160 ProGunLiberal

I was on Something Awful, and I saw this:

I've seen the bolded acronym around alot recently. So what the hell does it mean?

Men's Rights Activist

163 Kragar  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:44:18pm

WSJ jumps on the Schiavo "Life no matter the condition" bandwagon.

What You Lose When You Sign That Donor Card

The exam for brain death is simple. A doctor splashes ice water in your ears (to look for shivering in the eyes), pokes your eyes with a cotton swab and checks for any gag reflex, among other rudimentary tests. It takes less time than a standard eye exam. Finally, in what's called the apnea test, the ventilator is disconnected to see if you can breathe unassisted. If not, you are brain dead. (Some or all of the above tests are repeated hours later for confirmation.)

Here's the weird part. If you fail the apnea test, your respirator is reconnected. You will begin to breathe again, your heart pumping blood, keeping the organs fresh. Doctors like to say that, at this point, the "person" has departed the body. You will now be called a BHC, or beating-heart cadaver.

Still, you will have more in common biologically with a living person than with a person whose heart has stopped. Your vital organs will function, you'll maintain your body temperature, and your wounds will continue to heal. You can still get bedsores, have heart attacks and get fever from infections.

"I like my dead people cold, stiff, gray and not breathing," says Dr. Michael A. DeVita of the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. "The brain dead are warm, pink and breathing."

Yeah, because being trapped in a husk of flesh for years until your body rots out from under you is the way to go.

164 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:45:34pm

re: #163 Kragar

Said it before and will say it again the WSJ is rapidly becoming the paper you buy when you're ashamed to be seen reading the New York Post.

165 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:47:15pm

re: #164 Wozza Matter?

Said it before and will say it again the WSJ is rapidly becoming the paper you buy when you're ashamed to be seen reading the New York Post.

I just met an editor at the New York Post. He's a liberal democrat. He called it the most outrageous newspaper in America.

I didn't really ask the "So...why?" because he's my friend's new boyfriend, but man, I wanted to.

166 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:50:01pm

re: #162 Kaessa

Oh, okay. I really never think of MRAs, so when saw the acronym, I didn't know what it meant.

Thank for that.

167 jaunte  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:51:07pm
168 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:53:34pm

re: #163 Kragar

WSJ jumps on the Schiavo "Life no matter the condition" bandwagon.

What You Lose When You Sign That Donor Card

Yeah, because being trapped in a husk of flesh for years until your body rots out from under you is the way to go.

Without consciousness, without self awareness, without the ability to think beyond simple instinct, the body is just a sack of meat.

169 Kragar  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:56:19pm

re: #168 b_sharp

Without consciousness, without self awareness, without the ability to think beyond simple instinct, the body is just a sack of meat.

But... Jesus

And thats the end of the argument for some folks.

170 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:57:42pm

re: #162 Kaessa

Men's Rights Activist

Because men need their eroding rights protected from further decay.

171 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:58:12pm

re: #167 jaunte

.....

???

This is all I got.

172 Kaessa  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:58:57pm

re: #170 Kronocide

Because men need their eroding rights protected from further decay.

Didn't you know? We feminists have taken all of their rights away, and now men are the oppressed minority.

173 Gus  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:59:04pm

re: #170 Kronocide

Because men need their eroding rights protected from further decay.

To defend themselves from the tyranny of the minority!

174 jaunte  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:00:08pm
175 BongCrodny  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:00:23pm

Walking Dead is full of "holy shit" moments tonight.

No spoilers. :-)

176 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:00:43pm

You either control the uterus or it controls you

177 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:01:43pm

re: #172 Kaessa

Didn't you know? We feminists have taken all of their rights away, and now men are the oppressed minority.

Yeah, things haven't been the same since the feminist regime started the mandated neuterings.

///

178 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:03:23pm

re: #169 Kragar

But... Jesus

And thats the end of the argument for some folks.

Doctors should be using a 'Soul Meter®' to show them the soul has departed so the meat sack can be used to save someone else.

179 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:06:14pm

re: #171 ProGunLiberal

Seriously, Santorum just said that Conservatives worship Limbaugh.

While this makes sense in regards to politics, it is jarring on every other level.

180 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:06:25pm

re: #145 1ceweasel

Now I have this image of a lab full of glass containers with imperfectly cloned (some horribly so) embryonic copies of Rush Limbaugh.

Thanks for nuthin' :-)

HORIZON IS NOT A REFUGEE OUTPOST. TURN AWAY.

181 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:07:33pm

re: #172 Kaessa

Didn't you know? We feminists have taken all of their rights away, and now men are the oppressed minority.

Yes, yes we are. It's the truth® that we can no longer become Doctors, Lawyers, Police, Chiefs or CEOs.

We're also the butt of jokes on TV and radio where we're portrayed as incompetent simpletons.

///

182 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:08:50pm

re: #180 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

HORIZON IS NOT A REFUGEE CAMP. TURN AWAY.

ME3?

183 Ming  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:02:35pm

re: #133 goddamnedfrank

Right, this. Fluke never once mentioned covering her own or anyone else's sex life Dark. She brought up the medical conditions many women have that contraception also alleviates.

Medical insurance covers millions of people, and thousands of therapies. It's not "a la carte". There's a point where you just have to cover a whole bunch of things, that some people will never use. So the vaccine for cervical cancer (HPV) is covered, despite Michele Bachmann's concern that the vaccine can cause mental retardation. The vaccine against measles is covered, even though some parents don't give it to their own children. Blood transfusions are covered, despite the views of Christian Scientists. Contraception is also covered. What's the big deal? No system is perfect for every consumer. Unless you're very rich, you're going to buy into some insurance plan that wasn't designed with your personal preferences in mind.

I also read that there's some federal regulation that contraception shall be covered in some medical insurance plans (I forget which ones). This regulation took effect shortly before George W. Bush began his first term. In 8 years, the Bush Administration never challenged this regulation.

184 Greup  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:33:02pm

Book of revelation 11:18
New International Version (©1984)
"The nations were angry; and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your saints and those who reverence your name, both small and great--and for destroying those who destroy the earth."

Seems like God dont really care for those who destroy his creation.

185 labman57  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 11:15:12pm

The conservative Republican's mind is a scary place. Exhibit A -- their "sh*t happens" rationalization regarding global warming and climate change trends:

"Global warming is a fallacy. My evidence? It snowed today in Buffalo.

Of course, if it is real, it has nothing to do with carbon-based gas emissions. My 4th grade science teacher told me so.

But then, if carbon gases are responsible, it has nothing to do with human activity -- it's totally natural, like plastic.

However, if it turns out that global climate change is the result of manmade carbon-based gas emissions, well, it's God's will. Therefore, only He can do anything about it."

186 labman57  Sun, Mar 11, 2012 11:19:12pm

re: #185 labman57

Seriously though ... sanctimonious, theocracy-minded politicians and pundits such as Palin, Santorum, Inhofe, and Bachmann have redefined what constitutes science to fit their own point of view. Therefore, they equate real science with natural phenomena under the control of God.

What they don't understand is that science is not merely a body of knowledge accumulated over the centuries, it is also the process through which this knowledge is attained. And so simply declaring that something is true because it says so in the Bible (or any other literary source) cannot be construed as science if that "fact" or "idea" was not the result of a valid, structured, self-critical scientific process.

187 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 12:50:33am

re: #179 ProGunLiberal

Seriously, Santorum just said that Conservatives worship Limbaugh.

They do worship him, and we should let them, it'll destroy the party

188 lewispryor  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 4:47:10am

God may still be up there, but as far as Senator Inhofe is concerned, apparently, nobody's home.

189 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:10:13am

re: #92 Kronocide

Amazing that such an educated man can be so stupid. Or, he's a partisan hack.

Yeah. Glad Obama has that fucking magic wand that Bush said he didn't have to bring down the price of gas. Oh really, Obama doesn't have it either. Bet Bush gave it away to that Saudi prince when he was kissy facing him in the Rose garden.

190 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:12:43am

re: #73 Interesting Times

Mendacious mud-dwelling mouthpiece Mark Steyn: all the odiousness of Limbaugh without the name recognition.

LOL, your most creative comment to date! Would that I had more up-dings to give you for that one.


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