AL and MS GOP Voters Think Obama's a Muslim, Interracial Marriage Should Be Illegal

AL and MS GOP Voters Think Obama’s a Muslim, Interracial Marriage Should Be Illegal

Racism, conspiracy theories, hatred for science dominate the GOP scene

PoliticsMarch 2012 • Views: 26,858

Public Policy Polling has some very depressing results to report in a survey of Republican voters in Alabama and Mississippi. Not to put too fine a point on it, but a disturbingly large percentage of these voters are simply deranged.

Majorities in both states believe that President Obama is a Muslim, and horribly large numbers think interracial marriage should be illegal. And very large majorities in both states reject the scientific theory of evolution.

Ladies and gentlemen, the Republican base:

There’s considerable skepticism about Barack Obama’s religion with Republican voters in them. In Mississippi only 12% of voters think Obama’s a Christian to 52% who think he’s a Muslim and 36% who are not sure. In Alabama just 14% think Obama’s a Christian to 45% who think he’s a Muslim and 41% who aren’t sure.

Mitt Romney dominates the ‘Obama’s a Christian’ vote in both states. He leads Santorum 42-28 with those folks in Mississippi and has a 38-21 lead over him with them in Alabama. In Mississippi Newt’s winning the ‘Obama’s a Muslim’ vote 39-28, but in Alabama it’s a three way tie with all of the leading candidates at 31%. …

-Alabama’s pretty much on board with interracial marriage, with 67% of voters thinking it should be legal to 21% who think it should not be. There’s still some skepticism in Mississippi though- only 54% of voters think it should be legal, while 29% believe it should be illegal. Newt cleans up with the ‘interracial marriage should be illegal’ crowd in both states. He’s up 40-27 on Romney with them in Mississippi and 37-28 with them in Alabama. …

-Finally there’s considerable skepticism about evolution among GOP voters in both Alabama and Mississippi. In Alabama only 26% of voters believe in it, while 60% do not. In Mississippi just 22% believe in it, while 66% do not. Romney wins the ‘voters who believe in evolution’ vote (33-27 over Gingrich in Alabama, 38-32 over Gingrich in Mississippi.) Santorum wins the ‘voters who don’t believe in evolution’ vote (34-33 over Gingrich in both Alabama and Mississippi with Romney at 26%)

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[deleted] Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:20:49am

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:20:57am

Ignorant mob of proud know-nothings.*

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* Applies only to those who believe in these things.

erik_t Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:21:56am

When you base your regional identity on a pre-industrial slave state, don't be surprised if the people who buy into this identity see the world pretty much how you'd expect for a pre-industrial slave state.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:22:53am

If Romney runs against Obama, there is no "christian" to vote for.

Except, of course, that both men profess to believe in Christ as their savior.

William of Orange Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:23:05am

In the words of Elvis:

Ladies and gentlemen; Common sense has left the building....

ProGunLiberal Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:23:44am

re: #3 erik_t

And people wonder why I look down on the South in General.

Bunch of un-enlightened hicks.

Simply Sarah Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:24:16am

To be fair with them in regards to evolution, I think the numbers on it aren't all that much better elsewhere in the country.

Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:24:59am

We really need to improve education in this country.

And improve separation of church and state.

Kragar Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:25:22am

Sometimes, regions deserve their reputations.

lawhawk Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:25:46am

Should we be shocked that miscegenation is alive and well and that the GOP has no problem spreading this nonsense by and through its "leadership". Not really.

How much of this is ignorance - willful or negligent? There are none so blind as those who choose not to see. I think we're talking about people who purposefully choose not to accept facts and racism clearly plays a role here.

Kragar Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:25:50am

re: #8 Obdicut

We really need to improve education in this country.

And improve separation of church and state.

Why do you think they want to do away with the Dept of Education?

HappyWarrior Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:27:38am

This is how propaganda works.

erik_t Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:28:38am

re: #7 Simply Sarah

To be fair with them in regards to evolution, I think the numbers on it aren't all that much better elsewhere in the country.

Looks like about 50% overall, with substantially less support if you don't give the 'yes, with God's help' option.

So more than a factor of two.

Varek Raith Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:29:50am

Facepalm.

ProGunLiberal Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:30:32am

re: #13 erik_t

I'm going to admit to going with Theistic Evolution.

ProGunLiberal Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:30:48am

re: #14 Varek Raith

Understatement of the year.

iossarian Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:30:56am

29% of Republican primary voters in Mississippi think interracial marriage should be illegal.

What right wing racism etc.

AK-47% Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:31:20am

re: #8 Obdicut

We really need to improve education in this country.

And improve separation of church and state.

Basic education. Like teaching people how science works, how a hypothesis becomes a theory. And what science covers and what it does not, namely nothing that cannot be independently and objectively verified.

And they need to be taught the diference between a scientific treatise and religious scriptures...

iossarian Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:32:18am

re: #18 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Basic education. Like teaching people how science works, how a hypothesis becomes a theory. And what science covers and what it does not, namely nothing that cannot be independently and objectively verified.

And they need to be taught the diference between a scientific treatise and religious scriptures...

What you are describing is exactly what Republicans hate about education.

Simply Sarah Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:32:22am

re: #13 erik_t

Looks like about 50% overall, with substantially less support if you don't give the 'yes, with God's help' option.

So more than a factor of two.

Ah. Vaguely better than I remembered. That being said, the rotated question on evolution/YEC seems to give somewhat conflicting results. The A question asking about evolution over millions of years has 53% saying Yes, but the B question asking if God created humans as they are in the last 10,000 years has a 66% Yes response. Besides the fact that the 66% value from the B question is terrifying, it doesn't mesh with the 53% saying Yes to A. That makes me somewhat question the entire exercise.

wrenchwench Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:33:04am

horribly large numbers think interracial marriage should be illegal. And very large majorities in both states reject the scientific theory of evolution.

These two things stem from a similar ignorance of biology: thinking that race makes any kind of real difference in the human species.

Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:33:43am

re: #21 wrenchwench

Thinking that 'race' exists as a biological concept.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:34:05am

re: #10 lawhawk

Should we be shocked that miscegenation is alive and well and that the GOP has no problem spreading this nonsense by and through its "leadership". Not really.

How much of this is ignorance - willful or negligent? There are none so blind as those who choose not to see. I think we're talking about people who purposefully choose not to accept facts and racism clearly plays a role here.

Of course miscegenation is alive and well, and that should be no problem.

The definition of miscegenation is the mixing of races through marriage or cohabitation.

I think you meant the disparaging of miscegenation.

wrenchwench Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:34:19am

re: #22 Obdicut

Thinking that 'race' exists as a biological concept.

Better.

jaunte Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:35:14am

SHOCK POLL: 52% of Mississippi #GOP Voters Think Jeff Foxworthy Is "Funny"
— Everybody Needs It (@TheDailyEdge) March 12, 2012

iossarian Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:35:19am

re: #20 Simply Sarah

Besides the fact that the 66% value from the B question is terrifying, it doesn't mesh with the 53% saying Yes to A.

I think you are mistakenly assuming that the survey population is capable of logical reasoning.

Obviously, believing A, A implies not B, and B, simultaneously is a logical fallacy, but these are people who are trained to give pat answers to questions posed, and not try to connect the dots between them.

erik_t Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:35:29am

re: #20 Simply Sarah

Ah. Vaguely better than I remembered. That being said, the rotated question on evolution/YEC seems to give somewhat conflicting results. The A question asking about evolution over millions of years has 53% saying Yes, but the B question asking if God created humans as they are in the last 10,000 years has a 66% Yes response. Besides the fact that the 66% value from the B question is terrifying, it doesn't mesh with the 53% saying Yes to A. That makes me somewhat question the entire exercise.

That's the tidiest poll I could find, but they all hover right around 50%. Mismatches based on question wording seem pervasive in all polling.

Kragar Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:35:53am

There was another part to the poll

Obama’s Muslim, evolution is fake & Rush Limbaugh is great, Republican voters say in poll

Mississippi and Alabama are also deeply religious states that generally rank at or close to the bottom in most state education rankings.

Sixty-six percent of Mississippians surveyed by PPP said they didn’t believe in evolution as did 60% of people in Alabama, the pollsters found.

And in these states, Rush Limbaugh is an admired figure, with 53% of those polled admitting to having a favorable opinion of the right wing rabblerouser. The figure was 51% in Mississippi.

The survey was done over the weekend as Limbaugh continued to be hit by criticism for calling a Georgetown University law student a “slut” on the air.

Given the conservatism of the GOP electorate in Alabama and Mississippi, candidates like Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum should be trouncing more moderate Mitt Romney, the GOP front runner.

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:36:05am

It should be noted that the poll referred to Republican voters in those states, not all voters. So broad-brush slams on the entire region based on this are misplaced and ill-considered.

(Explaining a few down-dings I just tossed out.)

Interesting Times Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:37:57am

So 45% of AL GOP& 52% of MS GOP think Obama is a Muslim? That's terrible. It means 55% and 48% in those states are #RINOs. #mnleg
— Not Gretchen Hoffman (@gretchen_mh) March 12, 2012

Simply Sarah Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:39:12am

re: #26 iossarian

I think you are mistakenly assuming that the survey population is capable of logical reasoning.

Obviously, believing A, A implies not B, and B, simultaneously is a logical fallacy, but these are people who are trained to give pat answers to questions posed, and not try to connect the dots between them.

What I'm saying is that if a sizable part of the sample seems to not entirely understand what is being asked or holds directly conflicting views, it makes trying to parse out exactly what results mean somewhat more complicated than usual. It also suggests that the question phrasing is extra important.

Tumulus11 Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:39:15am

. In Mississippi, 15% of pollsters who inquired about gay interracial marriage were run out of town on a rail. /

Kragar Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:40:12am

re: #29 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

It should be noted that the poll referred to Republican voters in those states, not all voters. So broad-brush slams on the entire region based on this are misplaced and ill-considered.

(Explaining a few down-dings I just tossed out.)

Lived down South for 6 years. I stand by my statement.

AK-47% Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:41:43am

re: #33 Kragar

Lived down South for 6 years. I stand by my statement.

I thought that Southern Democrats as a political species pretty much died out with Reagan...

iossarian Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:42:51am

re: #31 Simply Sarah

What I'm saying is that if a sizable part of the sample seems to not entirely understand what is being asked or holds directly conflicting views, it makes trying to parse out exactly what results mean somewhat more complicated than usual. It also suggests that the question phrasing is extra important.

To me, what the questions reveal is that there are people who both:

a) pretty much remember what they learned in science class, and

b) don't feel comfortable giving an answer which contradicts what their preacher tells them.

So they feel most comfortable saying both "a few million years of evolution" and "God created Adam and Eve", in response to two different questions.

IMO, (b) is more problematic in the sense that I like people to have some degree of input into their own decision-making.

Interesting Times Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:46:17am

51% of GOP voters in Mississippi, Alabama believe Obama is a Muslim. The same 51% also identified Hawaii as a Muslim country.
— Top Conservative Cat (@TeaPartyCat) March 12, 2012

jaunte Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:46:26am

Sarah Posner:

The poll didn't ask these voters if they believe the Mormon Romney is a Christian, which would have been a telling and fascinating data point since evangelical anti-Mormonism is thought to be more pronounced in the South. But it did ask whether they believe President Obama is a Christian, and only 14% did, with 45% saying they believe he is a Muslim. These numbers are more pronounced among evangelicals, with only 9% of evangelical likely Republican voters in Alabama believing the president is a Christian. Fifty percent--half of all the voters in the Alabama GOP primary--believe the president is a Muslim
[Link: www.religiondispatches.org...]>

AK-47% Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:46:36am

So why do so many of these people who reject Evolution come out so strongly in favor of Social Darwinist policies?

erik_t Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:46:41am

re: #35 iossarian

There's also the issue of quick responses that don't consider all of the implications of the response given.

I get a billion and nine sponsored polls asking me 'Should marriage be between one man and one women?' If I didn't really think about it, or if I hadn't seen these polls before and know what they're trying to push, my off-the-cuff tenth-of-a-second response would be 'Sure! That's pretty much what marriage is, right?'

Kragar Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:47:35am

Florida Anti-Muslim Bill Dies In State Senate

Although it initially appeared likely to pass the state senate as well, the bill was abruptly pulled from the senate’s calendar after its sponsors eliminated any doubt of their Islamophobic intentions:

[Sen. Alan] Hays’ bill became ensnared in a late-breaking political controversy when proponents distributed fliers and a pamphlet decrying the alleged intrusion of Islamic law into America’s courts. . . . A delegation of Muslim and other religious leaders met with [Senate President Mike] Haridopolos’ chief of staff earlier in the week to demand that Hays’ measure be postponed pending an investigation of the fliers.

Haridopolos, R-Merritt Island, made no public statement about the controversy, but refused to call the bill for a vote in the waning hours of the 2012 session Friday.

jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:47:48am

re: #38 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

So why do so many of these people who reject Evolution come out so strongly in favor of Social Darwinist policies?

They pick and choose what parts of the bible they like and believe in, so why shouldn't they do the same with other books/theories?

RadicalModerate Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:49:17am

re: #34 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

I thought that Southern Democrats as a political species pretty much died out with Reagan...

They still exist - particularly in urban areas. That being said, there's something to be said about states that have roughly 40% minority population, but only two Democratic representatives - one congressman from each state - out of a total of fifteen - at the federal level.

Kragar Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:49:46am

Perkins Labels LGBT-Rights Initiative a 'Radical' Push for 'Special Rights for Homosexuals and Homosexuality'

Many conservatives went completely ballistic after Secretary of State Hillary Clinton delivered a powerful speech to the United Nations with the message that “gay rights are human rights and human rights are gay rights” and launching an initiative to promote LGBT rights abroad. On Friday’s edition of Washington Watch Weekly, Family Research Council president Tony Perkins claimed that Clinton’s denunciation of violence and discrimination against the LGBT community represented a “radical social agenda” promoting “special rights for homosexuals and homosexuality.” He went on to falsely claim that the State Department is “completely silent” on the “persecution of Christians,” while trying to use the United Nations to impose gay rights on America.

Charles Johnson Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:55:10am

We already knew about the Birthers, and the creationists, but the most horrifying part of this poll by far is that so many Republicans in the South want interracial marriage to be ILLEGAL.

They're not just opposed to interracial marriage. They want to ban it.

Kragar Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:57:46am

re: #44 Charles Johnson

We already knew about the Birthers, and the creationists, but the most horrifying part of this poll by far is that so many Republicans in the South want interracial marriage to be ILLEGAL.

They're not just opposed to interracial marriage. They want to ban it.

Oh they're not against all interracial marriage, just the blacks*

* as I was told by a nice southern lady telling me how lovely my Chinese wife was (who is actually Japanese).

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:58:33am

re: #45 Kragar

*gag*

RadicalModerate Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:59:57am

re: #43 Kragar

Perkins Labels LGBT-Rights Initiative a 'Radical' Push for 'Special Rights for Homosexuals and Homosexuality'

Let me see if I understand what Perkins is saying here.

He is against the speaking out against violence and discrimination toward the LGBT community? Unlike some, I see that Tony Perkins hasn't disavowed himself from his neo-Confederate roots.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:00:14am

re: #45 Kragar

*facepalm*

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:00:48am

re: #47 RadicalModerate

and they wonder why they tend to be "persecuted"?!?

RadicalModerate Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:04:43am

I've mentioned this before, but I think that it is a salient point about the core belief of the modern SoCon wing of the GOP - who basically run the party now:

Zygotes and Corporations are people.
Women, ethnic/racial minorities, and LGBTs are not.

Kragar Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:08:09am

re: #47 RadicalModerate

Let me see if I understand what Perkins is saying here.

He is against the speaking out against violence and discrimination toward the LGBT community? Unlike some, I see that Tony Perkins hasn't disavowed himself from his neo-Confederate roots.

They're using the same arguments they used to fight interracial marriage and equality.

RadicalModerate Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:09:58am

We got a sleeper downstairs in the Afghanistan/FoxNews commentary thread.

Kragar Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:10:32am

re: #52 RadicalModerate

We got a sleeper downstairs in the Afghanistan/FoxNews commentary thread.

Put his hand in warm water so he pees himself.

jaunte Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:10:57am

re: #53 Kragar

Too late!

Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:12:14am

Must. Remain. Calm.

jaunte Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:12:22am

Stalker idiots newly emboldened by Oliver Willis.

John Vreeland Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:13:12am

I am still astonished that any supposedly sane person would want to outlaw "interracial marriage." It cannot even be an arguable position until you find some unambiguous legal way to determine what race anyone belongs to, outside of their own say-so. Any scientific attempt to outlaw miscegenation will invariably void a significant fraction of supposedly lily-white marriages.

Biologically, race has very little meaning, at best exhibiting changes in allele frequency. There are notable exceptions, of course, such as the genes non-Africans inherited from their Neandertal ancestors, but not all whites have those, and in the USA many african-americans do.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:13:18am

Where was all the anger about miscegenation when all the slave women were giving birth to mulatto babies?

iossarian Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:13:56am

re: #57 John Vreeland

I am still astonished that any supposedly sane person would want to outlaw "interracial marriage."

Ditto most right-wing social policy.

Tumulus11 Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:14:30am

#43 Kragar
Perkins Labels LGBT-Rights Initiative a 'Radical' Push for 'Special Rights for Homosexuals and Homosexuality

'This administration, in particular Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, is taking, pushing, using our tax dollars to push a radical social agenda, primarily focused on special rights for homosexuals and homosexuality into other countries and then bringing it back to the UN to adopt certain policies which would then be imposed upon America.'

. Yes, special rights for homosexuals, such as the right to life:

'Officials and human rights groups estimated as many as 58 Iraqis who are either gay or believed to be gay have been killed in the last six weeks alone — forecasting what experts fear is a return to the rampant hate crimes against homosexuals in 2009.'
// AP March 11, 2012

Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:14:40am

re: #45 Kragar

Oh they're not against all interracial marriage, just the blacks*

* as I was told by a nice southern lady telling me how lovely my Chinese wife was (who is actually Japanese).

Youtube Video

ArchangelMichael Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:15:01am

re: #45 Kragar

Oh they're not against all interracial marriage, just the blacks*

* as I was told by a nice southern lady telling me how lovely my Chinese wife was (who is actually Japanese).

Youtube Video

RadicalModerate Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:16:31am

re: #61 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

re: #62 ArchangelMichael

Ha! Twenty seconds apart on those.

Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:16:41am

re: #62 ArchangelMichael

o_o

ArchangelMichael Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:16:57am

Wow seriously... run for the same KotH clip at the same time.

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:18:50am

re: #58 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Where was all the anger about miscegenation when all the slave women were giving birth to mulatto babies?

Males taking their perogatives to sow their oats. Patriarchal society and all that. They're never at fault, at least publically.

jaunte Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:20:24am

re: #58 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Where was all the anger about miscegenation when all the slave women were giving birth to mulatto babies?

Fits right in with the current contraception debate. Covering Viagra is for "health reasons," covering female contraception is "forcing other people to pay for your slutty sex."

Charles Johnson Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:21:34am

re: #56 jaunte

Stalker idiots newly emboldened by Oliver Willis.

I know, isn't that lovely.

wrenchwench Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:21:45am

re: #56 jaunte

Stalker idiots newly emboldened by Oliver Willis.

I understand why right wingers are resentful and obsessed over Charles abandoning the right and banning a big pile of bigots, but I can't understand it when left wingers react that way.

Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:22:47am

re: #68 Charles Johnson

I know, isn't that lovely.

What the heck set this fool Oliver Willis off again? Seemed to come out of the blue.

Kragar Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:23:35am

re: #70 Gus

What the heck set this fool Oliver Willis off again? Seemed to come out of the blue.

Dipshits know neither right nor left

wrenchwench Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:24:52am

re: #70 Gus

What the heck set this fool Oliver Willis off again? Seemed to come out of the blue.

Maybe it's a case of projection with him. He's demonstrated that he's incapable of having his mind changed, so he assumes nobody can.

As for what set him off, who knows.

Eventual Carrion Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:26:31am

re: #47 RadicalModerate

Let me see if I understand what Perkins is saying here.

He is against the speaking out against violence and discrimination toward the LGBT community? Unlike some, I see that Tony Perkins hasn't disavowed himself from his neo-Confederate roots.

Because those people should be speaking out against the violence and discrimination against gods church. They are being downtrodden and left out of all the decisions in this great land. They have been persecuted with non-taxation, debilitated with vouchers for their non-taxed schools, decimated by the tax money given for their outreach to the homeless (if they will accept jesus). It ain't easy being a religious person in the USA.

Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:27:01am

re: #72 wrenchwench

Maybe it's a case of projection with him. He's demonstrated that he's incapable of having his mind changed, so he assumes nobody can.

As for what set him off, who knows.

Funny coming from a guy that was willing to "forgive" Robert Byrd. Also look at Ariana Huffungton and her dripping wingnut past. Reading some of these Tweets from this ideologue Mr. Willis it's the same old garbage he was spewing 3 years ago. He does this one a year. I'm guessing there's some jealousy involved here.

wrenchwench Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:29:30am

re: #74 Gus

I'm guessing there's some jealousy involved here.

Yeah, that's all I could come up with.

Kragar Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:31:23am

re: #75 wrenchwench

Yeah, that's all I could come up with.

Territorial pissings

wrenchwench Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:32:57am

re: #74 Gus

Funny coming from a guy that was willing to "forgive" Robert Byrd. Also look at Ariana Huffungton and her dripping wingnut past. Reading some of these Tweets from this ideologue Mr. Willis it's the same old garbage he was spewing 3 years ago. He does this one a year. I'm guessing there's some jealousy involved here.

It's so stupid for Willis to turn to people so deserving of his criticism, and side with them just to criticize Charles, who by all logic and appearances, should be an ally.

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Gepetto Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:35:22am

re: #6 ProGunLiberal

And people wonder why I look down on the South in General.

Bunch of un-enlightened hicks.

That statement is unadulterated bigotry.

jaunte Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:35:54am

Santorum: My Opponents Believe in the "Pseudo-Religion" of Global Warming

Rick Santorum has a new column over at Red State, in which he declares that thing that separates him from the rest of the lingering members of the GOP primary field is his strident disbelief in the "pseudo-religion" of global warming. Climate change, he declares, is "the litmus test" of "radical environmentalism" that should be rejected by all true conservatives.

wrenchwench Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:36:53am

re: #80 jaunte

Santorum: My Opponents Believe in the "Pseudo-Religion" of Global Warming

I knew he didn't really understand science. Now I think he doesn't really understand religion, either.

Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:39:11am

re: #6 ProGunLiberal

And people wonder why I look down on the South in General.

Bunch of un-enlightened hicks.

You including the black population of the South in that stupid statement?

Kragar Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:39:43am

re: #80 jaunte

Santorum: My Opponents Believe in the "Pseudo-Religion" of Global Warming

And tornadoes are made when Baby Jesus cries about marriage equality.

erik_t Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:40:02am

re: #80 jaunte

Santorum: My Opponents Believe in the "Pseudo-Religion" of Global Warming

So it's a fake version of a thing that has no real empirical basis or falsifiability... therefore it's rigorous science, right?

Someone fetch Philosoraptor.

Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:40:54am

re: #77 wrenchwench

It's so stupid for Willis to turn to people so deserving of his criticism, and side with them just to criticize Charles, who by all logic and appearances, should be an ally.

This is the same crowd that was saying that Hitchen's had "blood on his hands" soon after his death. Willis is making a big deal out of some "oil ticks" usage from maybe 5 years ago. Which he at first was distorting as "sand ticks". Which was from commentators that are now banned that he seems to be getting all riled up this morning.

RadicalModerate Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:44:53am

re: #80 jaunte

Santorum: My Opponents Believe in the "Pseudo-Religion" of Global Warming

Pseudo-religion? Exactly what are people who observe and report the dangers of AGW worshiping?

Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:45:46am

re: #85 Gus

I don't have any problem with calling the Saudi Royal family oil ticks. It's not racist to do so, either-- they're not a race. They're a bunch of assholes who exploit their own people.

It's obviously wrong if it's used for Arabs in general, but I haven't seen any evidence that Charles ever used it in a general way.

There was a lot in the old LGF that crossed the line, in my opinion. Some of it involved alliding the extremists of Islam with mainstream Islam. But, well, that ended, not just ended, but swung around completely. I'm not sure what's supposed to be bad about that.

Would it have been better if Charles hadn't ever been wrong on AGW, for example? Sure. But that can't really be fixed now.

jaunte Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:47:27am

re: #86 RadicalModerate

Pseudo-religion? Exactly what are people who observe and report the dangers of AGW worshiping?

Angry rodents, apparently:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:49:15am

So, Obama's not going to win Mississippi?

The Yankee Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:50:46am

I would also bet that the Democrats of those states also heavily don't believe in Evolution.

And I would also bet that a large minority of Democrats nationwide would think that Obama is not a Christian but a Atheist.

I am more positive about the first then I am the last.

Kragar Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:51:58am

re: #90 The Yankee

I would also bet that the Democrats of those states also heavily don't believe in Evolution.

And I would also bet that a large minority of Democrats nationwide would think that Obama is not a Christian but a Atheist.

I am more positive about the first then I am the last.

Because lots of Atheists attend church on a regular basis.

RadicalModerate Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:52:29am

re: #89 Obdicut

So, Obama's not going to win Mississippi?

Given the number of birthers that are starting to crop up again, I get the feeling that there's going to be efforts before the election to keep him off the ballot.

Charles Johnson Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:54:20am

re: #87 Obdicut

I had a very clear reason for using "oil ticks" for the Saudi ruling class -- they are a corrupt group of people who are rich beyond imagining for no reason of accomplishment, but the sheer good fortune of being the most brutal warlords in an area full of oil. They are parasites by the definition of the word.

But I stopped using it, because 1) I became a better writer over the years, and 2) I realized that terms like that can have the unfortunate effect of encouraging people who really are bigoted.

Some people seem to think I was an experienced political pundit who should have understood all these issues when LGF first started becoming popular, but the fact is I wasn't. I was not a terrible writer (well, sometimes I guess I was), but my main experience was with music and with computer programming. I was literally learning the ropes in those days, and figuring out where I stood myself on a lot of these issues, and yep, I made a lot of mistakes -- and I learned from them.

b_sharp Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:54:25am

Thump!

jaunte Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:55:56am

re: #94 b_sharp

Come in?

ArchangelMichael Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:56:00am

re: #94 b_sharp

Are you trying to attract Shai-hulud?

Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:56:30am

re: #96 ArchangelMichael

I just realized, dubstep would be hella good at attracting worm.

celticdragon Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:56:34am

re: #92 RadicalModerate

Given the number of birthers that are starting to crop up again, I get the feeling that there's going to be efforts before the election to keep him off the ballot.

This is going to be an exceptionally nasty summer. I will not be surprised if some campaign events actually become violent on the GOP side.

Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:57:20am

re: #98 celticdragon

This is going to be an exceptionally nasty summer. I will not be surprised if some campaign events actually become violent on the GOP side.

I'm worried about what's going to happen at the actual polling stations come election time. About vigilante ID-checking or somesuch.

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EdDantes Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:57:27am

re: #92 RadicalModerate

You may be prescient. When I first heard of this 4 years ago, I investigated until I had satisfied myself that it was a specious argument. I do wish it would disappear.

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wrenchwench Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:57:35am

re: #93 Charles Johnson

and I learned from them.

Which is something everybody should strive for, and even celebrate, not complain about.

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AK-47% Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:58:24am

One can criticize the Saudi government without criticizing Islam and Arabs in general.

One can criticize the Israeli government without criticizing Judaism and Jews in general.

One can criticize ignorant, bigoted southern GOp voters without criticizing southerners in general.

One can criticize the science of AGW without attacking the scientists and science in general.

But it is a lot more fun and so much easier to do both at once...

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:58:31am

re: #93 Charles Johnson

"And whosoever groweth and changeth his opinion over time, let there be Anathema!"
[The Book of Wingbat, chapter 25, verse 14]

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erik_t Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:58:34am

re: #99 Obdicut

I'm worried about what's going to happen at the actual polling stations come election time. About vigilante ID-checking or somesuch.

Are poll workers in the South anything but the blue-haired old ladies I've seen in the three or four states I've voted in?

Don't fuck with blue-haired old ladies.

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Interesting Times Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:59:10am

52% of Mississippi GOPs think POTUS is Muslim; proving our greatest threat is not foreign terrorists but domestic morons.
— John Fugelsang (@JohnFugelsang) March 12, 2012

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celticdragon Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:59:19am

re: #96 ArchangelMichael

Are you trying to attract Shai-hulud?

My car broke down, and nothing says "get out of my way!" like a 2 kilometer long, city eating worm...

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AK-47% Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:59:26am

re: #99 Obdicut

I'm worried about what's going to happen at the actual polling stations come election time. About vigilante ID-checking or somesuch.

If we failed to learn from the 2000 election fiasco and serious reform our election system, what sort of fiasco will it finally take?

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b_sharp Mon, Mar 12, 2012 12:00:40pm

re: #96 ArchangelMichael

Are you trying to attract Shai-hulud?

Careful where you position your thumper, the southern desert is full of drum sands.

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b_sharp Mon, Mar 12, 2012 12:02:42pm

re: #103 Lenin's Mummy

"And whosoever groweth and changeth his opinion over time, let there be Anathema!"
[The Book of Wingbat, chapter 25, verse 14]

I had that book for a while, until we ran out of toilet paper.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 12:04:08pm

re: #109 b_sharp

I had that book for a while, until we ran out of toilet paper.

Hope you didn't use the Book of Armaments too. That would have been a true heresy.

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I Am Kreniigh! Mon, Mar 12, 2012 12:08:04pm

It looks like Gingrich is acting as a spoiler for Santorum; their bases are a lot closer on these issues than either is to Romney's. I wonder if any of Gingrich's support -- or even his continued presence in the race -- is deliberate towards this goal?

Romney benefits by not facing a Santorum who has the whole fundie base behind him; Obama benefits because in facing Romney he's up against a candidate who inspires no enthusiasm among the fundie base (or anyone else).

I do love conspiracy theories.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 12:08:55pm

Oh, and to reiterate. Oliver Willis is a dumb shithead.

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celticdragon Mon, Mar 12, 2012 12:09:37pm

re: #108 b_sharp

Careful where you position your thumper, the southern desert is full of drum sands.

The heady scent of melange in the evening and the quiet drip of water into my cup almost overwhelm me as I rest upon the divan. My stillsuit still reeks of long wear, and the maker hooks I used are still jumbled upon the floor covered in the same dust that covers me as well. I have been long absent from the sietch, and it is good to be home.

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dragonfire1981 Mon, Mar 12, 2012 12:13:49pm

I grew up in a very Liberal part of Canada. I have spent the last 5 years in the very conservative state of Mississippi. The change in political views from one to the other has been night and day.

Christianity is big down here, REALLY big. In fact, it seems that Mississippi and Alabama come in at #1 and #2 on the list of states that place a high importance on religion:

[Link: www.patheos.com...]

A lot of people I know are proud to be government hating, Obama hating, Muslim hating followers of Jesus.

There's a good reason you hardly see ANY middle eastern people down here. They wouldn't be treated or accepted well at all. There IS an Islamic center in the city where I live but it has few worshippers.

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ProGunLiberal Mon, Mar 12, 2012 12:56:55pm

re: #82 Obdicut

No. Many issues in the Southern African American community right now stem from the discrimination done by the Southern Governments and people up until the Civil Rights Act.

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Robert O. Mon, Mar 12, 2012 1:27:38pm

Sadly, none of this comes as a surprise, nor the way which candidate gets the votes of which groups. Romney, by world standards, may be far-right reactionary. But in the GOP, he is the most reasonable and reality-grounded. It is completely expected that he would get the most votes from people who believe in the Theory of Evolution, Obama is a Christian, and interracial marriage is legal and no one's business. Apart from Santorum-Gingrich who are fairly similar to each other, the three factions (i) Romney, (ii) Paul, (iii) Santorum-Gingrich each have their niches. Romney just appeal to the slightly more enlightened ones while Paul and Santorum-Gingrich appear to the lowest of the scums.

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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 1:42:22pm

re: #97 Obdicut

I just realized, dubstep would be hella good at attracting worm.

It would be part of the Get Out the Vote effort.
/

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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 12, 2012 2:14:44pm

re: #114 dragonfire1981

I grew up in a very Liberal part of Canada. I have spent the last 5 years in the very conservative state of Mississippi. The change in political views from one to the other has been night and day.

Christianity is big down here, REALLY big. In fact, it seems that Mississippi and Alabama come in at #1 and #2 on the list of states that place a high importance on religion:

[Link: www.patheos.com...]

A lot of people I know are proud to be government hating, Obama hating, Muslim hating followers of Jesus.

There's a good reason you hardly see ANY middle eastern people down here. They wouldn't be treated or accepted well at all. There IS an Islamic center in the city where I live but it has few worshippers.

Hee, hee. They surround us.

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SpaceJesus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 3:40:33pm

Yup. Fuck the South.

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Flavia Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:35:02pm

re: #7 Simply Sarah

To be fair with them in regards to evolution, I think the numbers on it aren't all that much better elsewhere in the country.

Must.. not... make...evidence of...evolution...fail.. INTHOSEPARTICULARAREAS joke....

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