Quote of the Day: Rick Santorum’s Latest Anti-Science Howler

The greenhouse effect of atmospheric CO2 has been established science for 100 years
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Again, religious fanatic, creationist, and climate change denier Rick Santorum provides the best measure of the dangerously irresponsible disconnect between the American right wing and reality.

“The dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant, how dangerous carbon dioxide is,” said Rick Santorum.

Santorum is sneering at a physical phenomenon that has been uncontroversial, established science for more than 100 years: that CO2 in Earth’s atmosphere acts as a heat trap, preventing the Sun’s heat from being radiated back out into space. This isn’t rocket surgery, it’s the simplest kind of physics.

And Rick Santorum is far from the only Republican spouting this kind of determined ignorance; the GOP has become the anti-factual party, existing in a weird echo chamber environment in which falsehoods are never abandoned, ridiculous conspiracy theories are universally believed, reality is not allowed to impinge, and being anti-scientific is considered a noble quality, to be applauded and cheered.

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1 Gus  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:31:03pm

Tell that to the astronauts who survived Apollo 13.
Even though AGW is not about CO2 toxicity.

2 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:32:59pm

Rick Santorum: he's got what plants crave.

3 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:33:14pm

re: #1 Gus

Even though AGW is not about CO2 toxicity.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

4 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:33:25pm

re: #2 BongCrodny

Rick Santorum: he's got what plants crave.

Jenkem?

5 erik_t  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:33:41pm

Drowning? Tell that to a fish, how dangerous water is!

6 Kragar  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:34:16pm

I guess Rick also thinks that since H2O is essential for life, no can drown either.

7 Gus  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:34:26pm

re: #3 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

OK. I struck that out. Thanks.

8 Interesting Times  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:34:36pm

*Ahem:*

Contrary to expectations, tree growth has declined over the past century despite rising amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere, said Madhur Anand, a professor in Guelph’s School of Environmental Sciences.
...
Under warming-related stress, some trees use water more efficiently but grow more slowly. That means trees are storing less atmospheric CO2 than expected

Frothy mix asked, and the flora has answered.

9 Kragar  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:36:05pm

re: #8 Interesting Times

*Ahem:*

Frothy mix asked, and the flora has answered.

Trees have a well known liberal bias.

10 mr.fusion  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:36:57pm

The dangers of eating raw meat? Tell that to a lion, how dangerous raw meat is

11 Gus  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:37:08pm

Spacecraft Maximum Allowable Concentrations for Selected Airborne Contaminants: Volume 5
7 - Carbon Dioxide

John T. James, Ph.D., D.A.B.T.
Toxicology Group
Habitability and Environmental Factors Division
Johnson Space Center
National Aeronautics and Space Administration

Houston, Texas
OCCURRENCE AND USE

Carbon dioxide is the major expired by-product of human metabolism; if not effectively controlled, it can rapidly accumulate to dangerous concentrations in spacecraft atmospheres. On earth, the outdoor CO2 concentration is typically about 0.03%, and average indoor air contains CO2 in the range of 0.08% to 0.1% (IEQ 2006). In nominal spacecraft operations, the CO2 concentration is typically about 0.5%, but the concentration approached 2% during the troubled Apollo 13 mission (Michel et al. 1975). Carbon dioxide can also enter the atmosphere of a space habitat from accidental combustion of materials, from operation of payloads that use CO2 as an intravehicular propellant, and from use of the fire extinguisher, which, on the U.S. segment of the International Space Station (ISS), is CO2.

12 Girth  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:37:40pm

re: #2 BongCrodny

Rick Santorum: he's got what plants crave.

He's got electrolytes!

13 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:38:01pm

re: #7 Gus

OK. I struck that out. Thanks.

Well, it's not strictly the co2 that's toxic, so your point stands.

14 Gus  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:38:54pm

HUMAN HEALTH RISK ASSESSMENT OF CO2: SURVIVORS OF ACUTE HIGH-LEVEL EXPOSURE AND POPULATIONS SENSITIVE TO PROLONGED LOW-LEVEL EXPOSURE
Susan A. Rice, Ph.D., D.A.B.T. Susan A. Rice and Associates, Inc., Grass Valley, CA, USA*†

CO2 TOXICITY

CO2 has a continuum of effects that range from physiologic (e.g., ventilatory stimulation) to toxic (e.g., cardiac arrhythmias and seizures), anesthetic (significantly depressed CNS activity), and lethal (severe acidosis and anoxia). The effects of CO2 in a specific individual depend on the concentration and duration of exposure as well as individual factors, such as age, health, physiologic make-up, physical activity, occupation, and lifestyle.

With high-level CO2 exposure, the displacement of O2 by CO2 significantly contributes to toxicity. Signs of asphyxia are evident when the atmospheric O2 is ≤16% [1]. Almost immediate unconsciousness leading to death occurs in humans at rest when the O2 is reduced to 10 to 13%. Strenuous physical exertion increases the threshold [2].

In several studies, intoxication leading to unconsciousness was evident in ≤30 s in patients inhaling 30% CO2 in 70% O2. Some patients exhibited seizures that were characterized as decerebrate (no cerebral functioning) [3,4]. At this concentration, 71% of patients in one study had ECG abnormalities of atrial or nodal activity, including premature atrial and nodal beats, and atrial tachycardia [5]. Rhesus monkeys exposed to CO2 in 21% O2 exhibited arrhythmias at ~26% CO2 and died at >60% CO2 [6]. At the time of death, the ECG showed asystolic arrest, which is also reported to occur with a blood pH between

15 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:40:10pm
16 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:42:05pm

Plants have evolved to adapt to the current atmospheric conditions. So, the current condition is basically ideal for them.

Oh, right, I'm talking about evolution.

17 Gus  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:42:10pm

re: #13 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

Well, it's not strictly the co2 that's toxic, so your point stands.

OK. My main point was Apollo 13.

[Link: www.jsc.nasa.gov...]

Interior view of the Apollo 13 Lunar Module (LM) showing the ''mail box,'' a jury-rigged arrangement that the Apollo 13 astronauts built to use the Command Module (CM) lithium hydroxide canisters to purge carbon dioxide from the LM. Lithium hydroxide is used to scrub CO2 from the spacecraft's atmosphere. Since there was a limited amount of lithium hydroxide in the LM, this arrangement was rigged up to utilize the canisters from the CM. The ''mail box'' was designed and tested on the ground at the Manned Spacecraft Center (today’s JSC).

18 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:42:15pm

He's just stupid.

19 Kragar  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:43:04pm

re: #18 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

He's just stupid.

Calling a Fundie stupid is religious oppression, dontcha know?

20 Gus  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:45:11pm

Long story short. The Apollo astronauts would have died from CO2 poisoning. Saved by duct tape!

21 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:45:24pm

re: #10 mr.fusion

The dangers of eating raw meat? Tell that to a lion, how dangerous raw meat is

The only thing that keeps me from challenging the "pasteurized milk has has all the nutrients killed" crowd is that it's usually in a social setting where I don't feel like fighting.

22 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:45:46pm

GOP not listening to its own scientists

A number of prominent U.S. climate scientists who identify themselves as Republican say their attempts in recent years to educate the GOP leadership on the scientific evidence of man-made climate change have been futile. Now, many have given up trying and the few who continue notice very little change after speaking with politicians and their aides.

"No GOP candidates or policymakers want to touch the issue, and those of us trying to educate them are left frustrated,"Kerry Emanuel, an atmospheric scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and a registered Republican, told InsideClimate News. "Climate change has become a third rail in politics."

Heading into the 2008 presidential election, Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the Republican nominee, warned about the dangers of global warming. He was one of a group of moderate Republicans who used to be leading climate action advocates, acknowledging the scientific consensus on climate change and the need for federal policies to address it.

But with the rise of the Tea Party movement in 2009, skepticism or even flat-out denial of global warming has become part of the party's core message. And no candidate now vying for the GOP nomination can admit to the scientific consensus, much less advocate for measures to curb climate-altering emissions, no matter what positions they might have taken in the past.

23 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:46:17pm

re: #2 BongCrodny

Rick Santorum: he's got what plants crave.

I think you confused methane with CO2.
//

24 Kragar  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:46:30pm

re: #22 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

GOP not listening to its own scientists

That would be repeating someone elses words, just like using a teleprompter!

25 Gus  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:46:58pm

That. And we're not plants.

26 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:47:55pm

Santorum is anti-science when it comes to the public but please notice when his youngest daughter got sick he took her to one of the best hospitals in Philly. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

27 Interesting Times  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:50:01pm

re: #26 Georgia Tech Aunt

The fact he has young children makes his AGW-denying nutbaggery all the more odious.

28 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:51:38pm

re: #27 Interesting Times
Yes it does. :(

29 Kragar  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:51:56pm

re: #26 Georgia Tech Aunt

Santorum is anti-science when it comes to the public but please notice when his youngest daughter got sick he took her to one of the best hospitals in Philly. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

ELITIST SNOB! Why didn't he recognize God's Will?
/

30 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:52:56pm

Interesting - Prof. Derrick Bell's widow coming up next on MSNBC's Ed Schultz show.

31 Girth  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:53:23pm

re: #29 Kragar

ELITIST SNOB! Why didn't he recognize God's Will?
/

He probably wants her to go to college, too!

32 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:54:19pm

re: #2 BongCrodny

Rick Santorum: he's got what plants crave.

Brawndo?

/Idiocracy

33 nines09  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:55:24pm

Rick Santorum is a fucking plant. A potted tulip.

34 Lidane  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:59:16pm

re: #33 Shine On You Crazy Diamond

Rick Santorum is a fucking plant. A potted tulip.

That assumes he's organic. I'm inclined to think he's one of those fake plants that people buy to decorate their house with when they're allergic to pollen and/or have pets.

35 jaunte  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:00:51pm

Derrick Bell's wife is on the Ed Show. What a contrast in character to the right wing fearmongers she is refuting.

36 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:01:30pm
37 nines09  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:03:24pm

re: #34 Lidane

That assumes he's organic. I'm inclined to think he's one of those fake plants that people buy to decorate their house with when they're allergic to pollen and/or have pets.

He's about as plastic as you can be and still breathe.

38 erik_t  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:03:55pm

re: #34 Lidane

That assumes he's organic. I'm inclined to think he's one of those fake plants that people buy to decorate their house with when they're allergic to pollen and/or have pets.

I believe you're thinking of Mitt Romney.

39 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:04:01pm

re: #22 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

GOP not listening to its own scientists

Because they are willingly stupid. It's really amazing.

I mentioned the email my friend received today from a lady who is exceptionally well off (like that matters, but it's the elitist, she's had some education, hope) telling the story of those crazy Muslims on the flight out of Atlanta IN 2009.

He turned her onto Snopes.com. She said that Obama owns that website.

There is not enough facepalms for these people. It is so very sad, and actually, quite troubling.

40 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:04:55pm

re: #16 Obdicut

Plants have evolved to adapt to the current atmospheric conditions. So, the current condition is basically ideal for them.

Oh, right, I'm talking about evolution.

This is actually a really interesting thing, IMO, for anyone that wants to read up on it. Of course it is far too nuanced for the likes of a frothy mixture and it's fans.

You see, the cyanobacterial ancestors of chloroplasts in plants evolved in a C02 rich environment. One molecule in particular, RUBISCO, has...

Oh shit, why is everyone snoring?

41 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:05:15pm

re: #2 BongCrodny

Rick Santorum: he's got what plants crave.

Horse manure?

42 Gus  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:07:10pm

AS13_TEC

08 31 15 LMP There's that mother.
03 08 31 19 CC Aquarius, Houston. Say again.
03 08 31 20 CDR All right. C02. Our (C02 value is getting high.
We had a DPS ECS light and a blinking component
light.
03 08 31 37 CC Okay. Copy.
03 08 32 14 CC Stand by on that PTC 02 .
03 08 32 20 CDR Say again, Houston.
03 08 32 41 CDR Hello, Houston. How do you read? Over.
03 08 32 43 CC Okay. Read you loud and clear now, Jim.
03 08 32 48 CDR Okay. Did you hear what I just said about the
ECS light arid the blinking C02 component light?
03 08 32 54 CC Okay. We got that and - Stand by 1.
03 08 33 01 CDR Okay.
03 08 33 17 LMP Not much.
03 08 33 34 CDR Jack, we might have to have you rig up this CO2
rig they're talking about.
03 08 33 42 CC Go ahead. Houston. Over.
03 08 33 43 CMP 0h! We 'ye got a long ways to go.
03 08 33 47 CDR Go ahead.
03 08 33 49 CC Okay, Jim...

43 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:07:25pm

re: #41 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

Horse manure?

It was more likely sourced from male cows.

44 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:07:36pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

I think they said goodbye to decency a long time ago and never looked back.

45 Lidane  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:07:42pm

re: #38 erik_t

I believe you're thinking of Mitt Romney.

Nah. Mitt's more like a Roomba. He's a gadget you buy for the sake of novelty and to get funny video of your pets riding it to put on YouTube, but he's totally impractical and all but useless.

46 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:13:01pm

re: #42 Gus

Houston, we've got a problem.... and that problem is named Santorum.

47 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:13:19pm

Most of the GOP these days think the moon is Jesus's face, what an election this will be

48 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:14:45pm

re: #47 windupbird is in the gravity well

Most of the GOP these days think the moon is Jesus's face, what an election this will be

Does that mean Newt was being sacrilegious when he suggested we turn Jesus' face into a state?

49 Gus  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:14:54pm

re: #46 lawhawk

Houston, we've got a problem... and that problem is named Santorum.

I think he's been breathing in far too much CO2 that he creates.

50 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:15:27pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

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Good quote by Mrs. Bell, but a bit overused. Still effective, though, which is why Joe Welch went with it in the first place.

51 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:16:10pm

re: #48 jamesfirecat

Does that mean Newt was being sacrilegious when he suggested we turn Jesus' face into a state?

No, it's just what Newt was talking about whenever he mentioned living with Jesus.

52 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:16:51pm

re: #40 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter

This is actually a really interesting thing, IMO, for anyone that wants to read up on it. Of course it is far too nuanced for the likes of a frothy mixture and it's fans.

You see, the cyanobacterial ancestors of chloroplasts in plants evolved in a C02 rich environment. One molecule in particular, RUBISCO, has...

Oh shit, why is everyone snoring?

Now tell us about mitochondria.

53 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:19:56pm

re: #52 b_sharp

Now tell us about mitochondria.

Back in my day sonny organisms didn't need mitochondria! They smashed those ATPs with their own bare bear hands!

54 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:21:12pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

Dark, to return to the subject of Mark Steyn who you defended as not being as bad as Limbaugh the other day in his comments on Fluke.

Steyn said this:

Yet the same people are determined that Sandra Fluke be treated with respect as a pioneering spokesperson for the rights of the horizontally challenged.

What do you think he meant by 'horizontally challenged'?

55 Gus  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:22:44pm
56 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:23:58pm

re: #54 Obdicut

Dark, to return to the subject of Mark Steyn who you defended as not being as bad as Limbaugh the other day in his comments on Fluke.

Steyn said this:

What do you think he meant by 'horizontally challenged'?

He's still pushing the lie and the biased looking for confirmation are eating it up.

57 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:24:23pm

re: #55 Gus

That's pretty adorable.

58 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:25:15pm

re: #55 Gus

Image: bell_military.jpg

He must have just hated America.

59 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:26:02pm

re: #55 Gus

Image: bell_military.jpg

Free extremist training!

/////

60 Lidane  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:26:41pm

re: #54 Obdicut

What do you think he meant by 'horizontally challenged'?

And here I thought that the right hated political correctness.

Come on, Steyn. Say what you really mean. Call her a slut, just like Rush did.

61 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:28:48pm

re: #60 Lidane

Steyn, sniggering little schoolboy.

62 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:29:31pm

re: #25 Gus

That. And we're not plants.

But, we share 26% of our genes with yeast.

63 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:31:38pm

re: #62 b_sharp

But, we share 26% of our genes with yeast.

As long as they wash them afterward I'm fine with that.

64 jaunte  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:31:41pm

re: #60 Lidane

He'd have to give up his patented triple-bank-shot, porch-manque, not-really-an-insult-insult stylings.

65 Gus  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:33:26pm
66 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:34:31pm
“The dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant, how dangerous carbon dioxide is,” said Rick Santorum.

Yes, Rick, that that to these plants. Moron.

67 jaunte  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:34:41pm
68 jaunte  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:37:10pm

"Unforced error."

69 Interesting Times  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:38:59pm

re: #61 Obdicut

Steyn, sniggering little schoolboy.

He pulled a breitbart last night, retweeting this from me:

...so I'd get spammed by his snivelling little sexist fanclub. I'm touched at how helpful they're being in providing empirical evidence to validate the low regard in which I hold them :)

70 Lidane  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:39:39pm

re: #65 Gus

Ouch. That's going to leave a mark.

71 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:41:06pm

re: #54 Obdicut

Dark, to return to the subject of Mark Steyn who you defended as not being as bad as Limbaugh the other day in his comments on Fluke.

Steyn said this:

What do you think he meant by 'horizontally challenged'?

I'm not sure what he meant, and I decline to guess.

72 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:42:15pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Very courageous stand.

73 jaunte  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:42:29pm
74 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:42:56pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

I'm not sure what he meant, and I decline to guess.

That's weak as shit, Dark.

75 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:43:49pm

re: #72 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter

Very courageous stand.

Better than mindlessly derping the company line. There's wisdom in not knowing.

76 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:44:56pm

re: #75 Killgore Trout

Better than mindlessly derping the company line. There's wisdom in not knowing.

That's a bold troll even for you.

77 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:44:58pm

re: #75 Killgore Trout

Better than mindlessly derping the company line. There's wisdom in not knowing.

Wisdom in not knowing? Then I don't want to be wise, I'll be smart instead. Thanks.

78 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:46:41pm

re: #75 Killgore Trout

Better than mindlessly derping the company line. There's wisdom in not knowing.

We have live king Solomon here! Get him! //

79 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:47:31pm

re: #75 Killgore Trout

I'd say there's a certain wisdom in admitting that you don't know something. Or maybe humility. Honesty? Meh, I don't know.

80 Mocking Jay  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:47:36pm

Yes, because "horizontally challenged" is so subtle...

81 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:47:52pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

I'm not sure what he meant, and I decline to guess.

Coward.

You're either incredibly naive or spineless.

You have to know what he meant Dark.

Or if he didn't excuse your virgin eyes.... by "horizontally challenged" he meant people who like to have sex.

82 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:47:56pm

re: #74 Obdicut

That's weak as shit, Dark.

If I'm not sure, then I'm not going to risk putting myself in a false position by speculating. I'd never even heard that term used before that column, so i really do not know what it is supposed to mean. That being the case, I exercise my right to remain silent.

83 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:48:17pm

re: #79 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I'd say there's a certain wisdom in admitting that you don't know something. Or maybe humility. Honesty? Meh, I don't know.

Stinky liar!

84 Interesting Times  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:48:29pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

I'm not sure what he meant, and I decline to guess.

Then let me help:

"horizontally challenged" is Mark Steyn's slimy little sneaky way of accusing ALL sexually active women of being sluts. Because durr hurr, they're "horizontally challenged" as in flat on their backs, putting out.

I trust that's blunt enough? Do you still excuse it?

85 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:48:36pm

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

Then, by your logic, you already put yourself in a false position by defending his comments.

86 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:49:20pm

re: #79 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I'd say there's a certain wisdom in admitting that you don't know something. Or maybe humility. Honesty? Meh, I don't know.

Sure, wisdom in admitting limits of your own knowledge. But not wanting to know beyond your current limits is wisdom? I don't think so.

87 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:50:18pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

I'm not sure what he meant, and I decline to guess.

Is that you, Mitt Romney?

88 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:50:58pm

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

If I'm not sure, then I'm not going to risk putting myself in a false position by speculating. I'd never even heard that term used before that column, so i really do not know what it is supposed to mean. That being the case, I exercise my right to remain silent.

Here no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.

Win no votes

89 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:51:19pm

"Horizontally challenged" doesn't even make sense. It reminds me of an old episode of "Love, American Style" (I think?) when a new bride finds out on her honeymoon that her new husband can only sleep standing up.

90 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:52:01pm

re: #79 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Socrates? Is that you? ;)

91 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:52:25pm

re: #89 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

He actually should have said 'vertically challenged', but the obvious sneer is there.

What a douche.

92 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:53:17pm

re: #90 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter

Bill S. Preston, Esq., at your service.

93 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:53:34pm

For with much wisdom comes much sorrow; the more knowledge, the more grief.

94 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:53:44pm

re: #78 Lenin's Mummy

We have live king Solomon here! Get him! //

Meh, I'm not buying it unless he proves it by whipping out his magical signet ring and controlling some jinn.

95 Interesting Times  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:53:51pm

re: #89 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

It also goes to show how thoroughly unimaginative prissy little wingnuts are when it comes to sexual positions.

96 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:54:07pm

re: #91 Obdicut

He actually should have said 'vertically challenged', but the obvious sneer is there.

What a douche.

I imagine you're right. That would make him twice as dumb, I suppose.

97 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:55:59pm

re: #10 mr.fusion

That's why I always fully cook the birds my kittens bring home!

98 aagcobb  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:57:48pm

By the way, can anyone figure out what Bob Seger means in this song? I haven't got a clue./

99 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:58:51pm

re: #92 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Bill S. Preston, Esq., at your service.

Excellent. Like dust in the wind, dude.

100 nines09  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:00:42pm

Never really read up on Mark Steyn. He's a wonderful piece of humanity it seems. Another slice from the same carcass.

101 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:03:38pm

re: #99 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter

Like sands of the hourglass, so are the days of our lives.

102 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:08:38pm

re: #92 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Bill S. Preston, Esq., at your service.

Hah! Christoffer Trossen, the writer of the Clan Star Adder section of the Battletech Crusader Clans Sourcebook was at the time the book was written a big enough fan of "Bill and Ted" to name the Adder's Black Lion-class battlecruiser the Admiral William S. Preston. True story, though I didn't know what that name meant until last fall.

103 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:10:16pm

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

True story, though I didn't know what that name meant until last fall.

Liar!!! Pick a side!!!
///

104 Mentis Fugit  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:23:15pm

re: #91 Obdicut

He actually should have said 'vertically challenged', but the obvious sneer is there.
What a douche.

But "vertically challenged" is already Har-har-har-PC-speak for "dwarf" don'cha know.

105 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:25:45pm

re: #91 Obdicut

He actually should have said 'vertically challenged', but the obvious sneer is there.

What a douche.

"Vertically Challenged" is a phrase I've heard before, Obdi, and it means "short in stature". It would not have had any bearing at all on the matter at hand, even from a wingnut perspective.

106 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:27:34pm

re: #105 Dark_Falcon

"Vertically Challenged" is a phrase I've heard before, Obdi, and it means "short in stature". It would not have had any bearing at all on the matter at hand, even from a wingnut perspective.

"Vertically challenged" is a euphemism, and so is "short in stature". I hope you are aware of what that is actually referring to but maybe you are too wise.

107 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:27:38pm

re: #104 Mentis Fugit

But "vertically challenged" is already Har-har-har-PC-speak for "dwarf" don'cha know.

Then "horizontally challenged" should logically apply to skinny people. Geez, when did insulting someone get so complicated? :P

108 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:32:12pm

re: #106 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter

"Vertically challenged" is a euphemism, and so is "short in stature". I hope you are aware of what that is actually referring to but maybe you are too wise.

I think I do, but perhaps you should explain anyways, My. Wyndham-Pryce.

I was a fan of Angel, too, back in the day.

109 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:35:04pm

Adjective
horizontally challenged (comparative more horizontally challenged, superlative most horizontally challenged)
(idiomatic, humorous, euphemistic) Of a person, fat, obese.
[edit]Synonyms
gravitationally challenged
[edit]See also
ethically challenged
vertically challenged
living impaired

110 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:36:09pm

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

What's a rogue demon anyway?

111 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:36:33pm

re: #105 Dark_Falcon

"Vertically Challenged" is a phrase I've heard before, Obdi, and it means "short in stature". It would not have had any bearing at all on the matter at hand, even from a wingnut perspective.

It also means "tends to spend a lot of time on your back".

112 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:36:38pm

re: #109 Lenin's Mummy

living impaired

That one also crossed my mind.

113 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:37:03pm

re: #109 Lenin's Mummy

And she's not fat. But that's the best possible interpretation, that for some reason he was saying she was a spokesperson for fat chicks.

Which he wasn't.

114 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:39:55pm

re: #110 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter

What's a rogue demon anyway?

The kind that goes out of their way to help humans, and generally endeavors to make the lives of others more pleasant. Which makes you a very bad Lizard. For shame!

115 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:43:04pm

re: #114 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Can I go after balance demons too?

116 Robert O.  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:48:25pm

Far from surprised, this is entirely what I expect to hear from Republicans. We are all so accustomed to Republican lies it takes a truly monstrous lie to even make one's eye blink. A science-denying GOPer (an insanity in every first world country) is merely par for the course. There is far more shock value in hearing a Republican accept scientific reason than otherwise. Think when Jon Huntsman said he believed in evolution and climate change - now, that's a shocker!

117 freetoken  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:57:21pm

re: #116 Robert O.

This whole "CO2 is plant food and therefore harmless" marketing ploy originates with the usual subjects (Heartland, AEI, US Chamber of Commerce, etc.) and was funded (in part) originally by fossil fuel companies.

Santorum is just carrying the party line, the party of his backers.

118 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:10:08pm

re: #111 Obdicut

It also means "tends to spend a lot of time on your back".

I have never heard that phrase used in that way.

119 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:13:59pm

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

I have never heard that phrase used in that way.

I have.

[Link: confusedlittlebob.blogspot.com...]

Again, the best possible scenario is him saying she was fat, and being a spokesperson for fat chicks. Since he's also lying about her wanting state-mandated funding of her sex life, it's completely reasonable to assume he's trying to cast further aspersions of a sexual nature by that crack, rather than calling her fat.

120 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:27:29pm

re: #111 Obdicut

It also means "tends to spend a lot of time on your back".

Well, 'grande horizontale' used to be French slang (and therefore an English adoption) for a certain sort of influential courtesan.

121 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:37:10pm

This hurts my head.

122 labman57  Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:50:25pm

Carbon dioxide has always been a pollutant. Our bodies expel it because it is a waste product. But humans did not consider the cumulative effect of burning fossil fuels on the global environment until the latter part of the 20th century.

One issue that needs to be considered when discussing global CO2 concentrations is the effect of the oceans as a carbon dioxide buffer. The earth can handle occasional spurts in carbon dioxide due to this buffering system. However, it is possible to overload the buffering capability of the oceans by dumping too much CO2 into the atmosphere over a prolonged period of time, and this is one of the concerns that climatologists consider when looking at long-term climate change projections.

One fundamental difference between climate change researcher­s and their detractors is that the former group base their prediction­s and conclusion­s on available evidence, whereas the latter group reach a conclusion and then search for rationalization to support it. Alas -- this concept is beyond the mental capacity of scientifically illiterate religious zealots.

By the way, does Rick realize that breathing oxygen can kill you if its partial pressure is too high?

123 weave  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 5:45:01am

Does God stop people from doing stupid things? If I am a beautiful creation of God with a purpose and I step in front of a truck, will God stop the truck to save me? Or will I have to accept the consequences of my free will and be killed?

I don't think any Christian would disagree we have free will (it's the foundation in choosing to accept Christ) and that there are consequences to our actions. God may have died on the cross to forgive our sins, but that doesn't mean we have a ticket to sin without consequence.

Therefore if you accept the premise that God created the Earth and the perfect system it is (like Santorum points out) where plants consume CO2 and produce oxygen and we consume oxygen and produce CO2 -- and if we as people run around and destroy the things that consume CO2 while producing more and more things that make CO2 -- then we are upsetting God's natural balance and plan -- and hence we have to deal with the consequence. Why does Santorum think God would step in to prevent us from doing something stupid to the planet any more than He'd stop me from walking out in front of a moving truck on the highway?

TLDR: Santorum is an idiot

124 sizzzzlerz  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 6:16:39am
Saved by duct tape!

Is there nothing that magical product can't do?

125 Bulworth  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 8:25:46am
He turned her onto Snopes.com. She said that Obama owns that website.There is not enough facepalms for these people. It is so very sad, and actually, quite troubling.

George Soros owns it, actually, but who's counting. //

126 William of Orange  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:06:33am

Message to Santorum:

Last time I checked there were no plants in the stratosphere!

127 Special Forces Grunt  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 2:41:28pm

I'm confused. Lord Monckton says not to worry:

[Link: wattsupwiththat.com...]

128 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 3:02:41pm
129 Hawaii69  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 5:47:41pm

Hmmm....when I was working at a National Park, the resources managment crews would trap mongoose in a live cage trap, put the trap in a heavy trashbag, and then fill the bag with compressed CO2.

Needless to say, a mammal doesn't utilize C02 as well as a plant.


(Sounds harsh, but they're introduced/alien species which do a lot of damage to native species)


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