NC GOP County Board: ‘If These Young Women Didn’t Have the Sex We’d Be Fine’

The Republican Party: dragging women back to the Stone Age, one state at a time
Wingnuts • Views: 33,002

In New Hanover, North Carolina, the County Board of Commissioners unanimously voted yesterday to turn down a state grant that would have covered medical services related to family planning, because it also would have covered contraceptive supplies.

The all-male county board explains their reasoning:

“The answers that I got were that there were patients that were not being responsible with existing family planning that was being offered and that this would provide a more reliable solution for those people,” Catlin said at Monday afternoon’s commissioners meeting.

He added that he had an issue with “using taxpayer dollars to fund someone’s irresponsibility.”

Chairman Ted Davis said he thought it was a sad day when “taxpayers are asked to pay money to buy for contraceptives” for women having sex without planning responsibly.

“If these young women were responsible people and didn’t have the sex to begin with, we wouldn’t be in this situation,” Davis said.

Commissioner Jonathan Barfield said he was “one of those abstinence guys” and agreed with Davis’ comment.

Jump to bottom

449 comments
1 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:04:27pm

This kind of attitude probably explains the origin of FGM.

2 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:04:57pm

Because only women are having "the sex."

3 erik_t  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:07:00pm

HOW ARE YOU FUCKERS SO STUPID AS TO SAY THIS OUT LOUD.

SERIOUSLY.

WHAT THE FUCK.

YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THE PARTY THAT DISPLAYS SUCH ABJECT POLITICAL INCOMPETENCE.


But please, do keep it up.

4 jaunte  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:07:46pm

Victoria Dahl says it best:

"50% of the taxpayers in this country are women, and 98% of women have used birth control in their lives. So I think we’ve got our share of it covered, thanks. You can use your tax dollars to ‘subsidize’ no-co-pay preventative checks for prostate cancer, chief. Draw the imaginary lines in your head and feel better. Your tax dollars protect your little man down there. My tax dollars go to prevent the pregnancies that women would otherwise generate on their own without any fault or responsibility of men, whose magic sperm only ever create pregnancies when both parties are ready and prepared. Tricksy women."[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

5 freetoken  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:09:17pm

Repeating myself from downstairs:

One thing that strikes me about the GOP nomination race, as the months have progressed, is how low of a % Ron Paul is getting.

And then it struck me why: The Overton Window.

IOW, Santorum and Gingrich have moved the majority of the voters - Romney got less than a third of the votes tonight - close enough to the old Paul support base (excluding the college-age-weed-lovers) to make Paul redundant. Gingrich is embracing elements of neo-confederacy, and is even jumping on the FED!! bandwagon, and Santorum has turned this election into a Crusade, so the only Paul voters they don't get are the before mentioned college-age-weed-lovers.

The GOP has indeed moved far to the right.

The SoCons have done a good job in changing the GOP in many parts of this country into The Party of God.

This is reactionary politics, straight up.

It continues a century long tradition of reactionary political and social movements in this country, starting with the early 20th century Fundamentalism (that fought everything from Darwin to alcohol) through the anti-FDR forces through the anti-Eisenhower JBS era, through the Goldwater era, and George Wallace and Nixon's turning the neo-confederates into Republican allies, and finally into Reagan incorporating the Religious Right as a key strategy into his winning.

So what was originally a non-political religious anti-modernity movement has been gradually brought into a political party's central axis.

6 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:10:48pm
7 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:11:41pm

re: #6 jaunte

Huh?

8 jaunte  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:13:08pm

re: #7 ProGunLiberal

Chicxulub crater: the impact associated with the crater is implicated in causing the extinction of the dinosaurs [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

9 Kragar  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:14:46pm

Meanwhile, boys will be boys.

10 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:15:31pm

Sigh. Why can't these bozos mind their own business? What was it their Savior said? Oh yeah.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

11 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:15:50pm

re: #8 jaunte

I know what Chicxulub was.

The Obama-symbol asteroid and the Islamic Moon throw me off.

12 jaunte  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:17:10pm

re: #11 ProGunLiberal

Ah, didn't see the Islamic moon. I just saw the picture go by on twitter while thinking of the GOP as dinosaurs.

13 jaunte  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:18:33pm

re: #11 ProGunLiberal


Since the symbolism may be misleading, I'll ask Charles to remove it.

14 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:18:49pm

re: #12 jaunte

That picture is among the most stumpifying things I have seen.

15 bubba zanetti  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:19:13pm

The Republican Party: dragging women back to the Stone Age, one state at a time

Troglodytes, I dare say...

Youtube Video
16 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:19:18pm

re: #13 jaunte

It doesn't bother me, I'm just immensely confused.

17 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:19:29pm

I bet these guys tell themselves that they champion small government and liberty.

18 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:19:53pm

Maybe if they all got laid, regularly, it wouldn't be a problem?

19 jaunte  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:19:56pm

re: #16 ProGunLiberal

Sorry about that, I just didn't see the confusing bit.

20 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:20:03pm

re: #1 Freeze Peach

This kind of attitude probably explains the origin of FGM.

No, not really. Female Genital Mutilation has no roots in Western cultures, nor in Asia either. Though Afghani and Pakistani society is often characterized by gender apartheid, does not happen there. It exist almost entirely in Africa and is mostly a means of preventing women from "straying".

What these men said was they did not want to be “using taxpayer dollars to fund someone’s irresponsibility.” That's not saying "birth control will not be available", it's saying "we don't want government to pay for it". Not the same thing

21 Stanghazi  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:20:46pm

re: #5 freetoken

Excellent reminder of history. It repeats itself. And I would guess each cycle's fears and vitriol are very similar.

22 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:20:56pm

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

mostly a means of preventing women from "straying".

Exactly.

23 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:23:44pm

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

No, not really. Female Genital Mutilation has no roots in Western cultures, nor in Asia either. Though Afghani and Pakistani society is often characterized by gender apartheid, does not happen there. It exist almost entirely in Africa and is mostly a means of preventing women from "straying".

What these men said was they did not want to be “using taxpayer dollars to fund someone’s irresponsibility.” That's not saying "birth control will not be available", it's saying "we don't want government to pay for it". Not the same thing

Then I expected they should have found anywhere else in their budgets that covered "funding someone's irresponsibility" and cut that as well. Such as treatment of STDs for instance.

But wait, we're only talking about females, aren't we. Traditional "the male can do no wrong" patriarchy and all that.
/

24 jaunte  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:25:19pm

re: #14 ProGunLiberal

Aha. I tracked the image back through the twitter references, and it turns out it came from what appears to be an obsessive Obama-hater. My mistake: [Link: www.flickr.com...]

25 freetoken  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:25:34pm

re: #21 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

Excellent reminder of history. It repeats itself. And I would guess each cycle's fears and vitriol are very similar.

As one blog used to emphasize (ahem...) - History doesn't repeat itself, it rhymes.

26 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:25:55pm

Once again the onus is all put on women. Young or otherwise. The Republican Party has another hate figure. Young, lucid women in their eyes. It's as though they're getting off on this.

27 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:28:15pm

The Republicans really really want the women's vote. And then when women voters inevitably vote Democratic, they will be doing so because they're "sluts" or "brainwashed" by feminism. Same thing, different group as with the other groups that the Republicans go out of their way to alienate and then wonder why those groups can't stand them.

28 mikec6666  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:28:45pm

LOL. Better and better. 'Round and 'round it goes, where it stops, nobody knows.

29 freetoken  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:29:07pm

re: #26 Gus

Once again the onus is all put on women. Young or otherwise. The Republican Party has another hate figure. Young, lucid women in their eyes. It's as though they're getting off on this.

New trend in Republican fashion wear.

30 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:30:20pm

re: #29 freetoken

New trend in Republican fashion wear.

Too revealing.

31 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:31:10pm

Temperance movement. Victorian. Not the same of course -- historically.

32 Lidane  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:32:40pm

re: #26 Gus

Once again the onus is all put on women. Young or otherwise. The Republican Party has another hate figure. Young, lucid women in their eyes. It's as though they're getting off on this.

Because they are.

It's to the point now where they might as well just say that women are to blame for every problem and every social ill, from unemployment to war.

33 engineer cat  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:34:08pm

were responsible people and didn’t have the sex

has somebody called god to complain about the invention of genitals yet?

34 Lidane  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:35:19pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Because only women are having "the sex."

Pfft. No one cares if men have sex. They're just being men, "sowing their oats" as it were. It's only when women have sex that there's a problem. =P

35 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:36:26pm

re: #34 Lidane

Pfft. No one cares if men have sex. They're just being men, "sowing their oats" as it were. It's only when women have sex that there's a problem. =P

Of course, a woman that has sex is a slut. A guy who has sex is a guy.

36 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:36:53pm

re: #34 Lidane

Pfft. No one cares if men have sex. They're just being men, "sowing their oats" as it were. It's only when women have sex that there's a problem. =P

It's all the fault of women trying to drain bodily essence from men. And that's even after its been contaminated by fluoridation!
///

37 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:37:19pm

Damn women seducing men. We have no self-control!

38 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:39:58pm

re: #32 Lidane

Because they are.

It's to the point now where they might as well just say that women are to blame for every problem and every social ill, from unemployment to war.

In one sense they're always a victim of something. If not the victim the narrative seems to be "my life sucks" because of such and such a group. I needn't put up a list of those sub-groups.

39 jaunte  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:40:56pm

Actual CNN chyron right now: SANTOROMENTUM

40 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:41:54pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

Damn women seducing men. We have no self-control!

Exactly. This is almost a cousin to "she was wearing a miniskirt and was thus looking for it" mentality. Classic chauvinism right before our very eyes. This is almost calling for a sociological study.

41 freetoken  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:46:25pm

re: #39 jaunte

Actual CNN chyron right now: SANTOROMENTUM

A simple rearrangement of the letters gives us:

MOAN, TORMENT US

42 engineer cat  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:48:43pm

re: #39 jaunte

Actual CNN chyron right now: SANTOROMENTUM

or we could have santoromentos, which make your breath smell sanctimonious

43 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:49:24pm

re: #41 freetoken

A simple rearrangement of the letters gives us:

MOAN, TORMENT US

ANTS, OR MEN? U TOM

44 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:49:54pm

re: #42 engineer cat

or we could have santoromentos, which make your breath smell sanctimonious

But what happens if you drop them into a 2 liter bottle of Diet Coke?

45 Big Joe Ghazi  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:50:23pm

re: #42 engineer cat

or we could have santoromentos, which make your breath smell sanctimonious

And diet Coke go all frothy.

46 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:52:32pm

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

What these men said was they did not want to be “using taxpayer dollars to fund someone’s irresponsibility.”

That's like refusing to put up guard rails on a hair pin turn, a simple precaution to help alleviate the harm of the statistically inevitable. God made stupid young people and endowed them with the desire to drive fast and fuck. The consequences fall on society and the tax payer regardless, whether it's in the form of birth control pills now or per child tax credits and unpaid medical bills later - the high horse moralizing of short sighted men notwithstanding.

47 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:54:27pm

I have a feeling one of these "abstinence" guys is going to be busted with an underage, illegal immigrant, atheist hooker soon.

48 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:54:42pm

re: #41 freetoken

A simple rearrangement of the letters gives us:

MOAN, TORMENT US

Sacramentus Santorum dios dominus pubiscum! Amen.

//

49 Lidane  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:54:52pm

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

What these men said was they did not want to be “using taxpayer dollars to fund someone’s irresponsibility.”

I don't have a choice in the fact that my tax dollars are funding the irresponsible war in Iraq. I don't have a choice in that my tax dollars are paying the salaries of the Republican troglodytes that would send women back to the Dark Ages.

They need to suck it up and deal with it.

50 freetoken  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:55:57pm

re: #47 The Round Heeled Savage Cannibal Ghoul

I have a feeling one of these "abstinence" guys is going to be busted with an underage, illegal immigrant, atheist transgender hooker soon.

Just to make it more interesting.

51 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:56:23pm

re: #50 freetoken

I like how you think.

52 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:57:02pm

"Arrest Angelina Jolie For War Crimes: Kony 2012!" -- Alex Jones

True story.

53 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:57:29pm

re: #50 freetoken

Just to make it more interesting.

10" pre-op.

54 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:57:53pm

I'm a bad boy.

//

55 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:59:06pm

re: #53 Gus

10" pre-op.

Some like it big...

///

56 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 9:59:26pm

re: #55 talon_262

Some like it big...

///

Nobody's perfect.

//

57 Lidane  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:00:40pm

re: #52 Gus

"Arrest Angelina Jolie For War Crimes: Kony 2012!" -- Alex Jones

True story.

The derp is strong with this one:

Youtube Video
58 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:02:05pm

Sigh Alex Jones, what a fucking nut.

59 Kragar  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:05:39pm

Floods spurred by rising seas threaten 5 million

For the nearly 5 million people who live along the U.S. coasts from Maine to the Gulf of Mexico and the West Coast, rising seas fueled by global warming have doubled the risk of so-called once-a-century floods, according to a trio of environmental reports released on Wednesday.

These new reports - one from the non-profit group Climate Central and two others published in the peer-reviewed journal Environmental Research Letters - offer a detailed picture of where the most severe risks are along coastlines of the contiguous 48 states.

Luckily, we have the GOP there to let us know Jesus won't let anything happen to us.

60 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:05:58pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

Sigh Alex Jones, what a fucking nut.

One of the good things about Alex Jones is that he's consistent in that rest assured you can always count on bullshit coming out of his mouth.

61 Girth  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:06:35pm

re: #59 Kragar

Floods spurred by rising seas threaten 5 million

Luckily, we have the GOP there to let us know Jesus won't let anything happen to us.

Water, dangerous? Tell that to plants!

62 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:06:46pm
63 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:08:21pm

re: #60 Gus

One of the good things about Alex Jones is that he's consistent in that rest assured you can always count on bullshit coming out of his mouth.

True that.

64 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:08:25pm

re: #62 MikeySDCA

These guys are self-parody, an underappreciated artform.

Life has come to imitate The Onion.

65 SpaceJesus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:08:36pm

Why is the imposter in chief watching Basketball instead of fixing the economy

66 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:09:40pm

re: #65 SpaceJesus

Why is the imposter in chief watching Basketball instead of fixing the economy

It's part of the Great Critical Race Theory plan.

Tomorrow the white people next year the guns.

//

67 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:10:11pm

Basketball is a thug game. And for those of you who don't know that's a real Limbaughism.

68 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:10:46pm

re: #57 Lidane

"Angelina Jolie, I have held my tongue on her for years". - Alex Jones

Quit bragging, you bastard. I've been wanting to hold my tongue on her for well over a decade now.

/wait, what?

69 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:10:50pm

First we apprehend Joel Pollak. Send him to re-education camp. Then we work on the others.

//

70 freetoken  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:11:13pm

re: #66 Gus

It's all part of a great Alinsky plan - make everyone dependent upon basketball, then everyone will need the government to provide them basketball.

It's all so clear now.

71 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:12:39pm

Hugging happens in basketball!

72 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:13:42pm

re: #70 freetoken

It's all part of a great Alinsky plan - make everyone dependent upon basketball, then everyone will need the government to provide them basketball.

It's all so clear now.

Soon we become part of the military establishment. The apparatchik. Drink comrade.

73 freetoken  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:14:06pm

Whoa, my Karma must have rolled over 40,000 sometime today... but I don't feel any different...

I must be getting old.

74 SpaceJesus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:14:48pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

When you hug a basketball player, you are hugging Stalin

75 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:18:27pm

re: #73 freetoken

Whoa, my Karma must have rolled over 40,000 sometime today... but I don't feel any different...

I must be getting old.

My Karma is so high it's embarrassing sometimes.

You know it takes a lot faith for people to believe that Obama will be as bad as they say he's going to be. I haven't seen it yet.

76 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:19:48pm

re: #73 freetoken

Whoa, my Karma must have rolled over 40,000 sometime today... but I don't feel any different...

I must be getting old.

Have 1 more, you won't notice it.

:-D

77 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:19:54pm

Tonight while you sleep Obama will chew off your first born's toes!

78 engineer cat  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:20:42pm

re: #73 freetoken

Whoa, my Karma must have rolled over 40,000 sometime today... but I don't feel any different...

I must be getting old.

if you change the oil regularly i bet you can make it to 180,000

79 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:20:43pm

These people probably think horror films are mostly fact.

80 freetoken  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:20:50pm

re: #75 Gus

My Karma is so high it's embarrassing sometimes.

Your posting rate is quite high (something like 6x more per day on average than mine, which itself is pretty high), and your wit is appreciated (not to mention your research ability.)

81 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:21:36pm

re: #80 freetoken

Your posting rate is quite high (something like 6x more per day on average than mine, which itself is pretty high), and your wit is appreciated (not to mention your research ability.)

Thank you! :)

82 engineer cat  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:22:31pm

re: #79 Gus

These people probably think horror films are mostly fact.

consider that ancient aliens is on the 'history' channel

we're doomed...

83 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:23:12pm

re: #73 freetoken

Whoa, my Karma must have rolled over 40,000 sometime today... but I don't feel any different...

You have to die first, then be reincarnated, before you can redeem your present karma.

I know it's a crappy system, but at least it's better than trying to redeem frequent flyer miles.

84 freetoken  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:23:28pm

Back in the good old days, when LGF put in ratings on links I used to get down-dinged often (and in some comments too.) Nothing like SpaceJesus though (who was downding magnet.)

Somehow I survived all that.

85 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:23:30pm

re: #82 engineer cat

consider that ancient aliens is on the 'history' channel

we're doomed...

Coming up next! Aliens at Bastogne. The true story!

86 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:24:02pm

re: #84 freetoken

Back in the good old days, when LGF put in ratings on links I used to get down-dinged often (and in some comments too.) Nothing like SpaceJesus though (who was downding magnet.)

Somehow I survived all that.

Was thinking today. Haven't seen Avanti in a while.

87 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:25:05pm

re: #80 freetoken

re: #81 Gus

Can you feel the love?

88 Girth  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:25:29pm

re: #82 engineer cat

consider that ancient aliens is on the 'history' channel

we're doomed...

Youtube Video
89 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:26:27pm

re: #86 Gus

I don't think I remember an Avanti on here. I think I got here after he did.

90 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:27:45pm

re: #89 ProGunLiberal

I don't think I remember an Avanti on here. I think I got here after he did.

Avanti was like Spacejesus. Had over -2000 Karma from all the folks that couldn't handle what they were saying.

91 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:28:38pm

One former Lizard would down ding Avanti after he said "they sky is blue." Was really a rather heated scene a lot times.

92 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:28:50pm

re: #90 Gus

Poor Guy.

I wouldn't have survived back then, I don't think.

93 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:29:56pm

re: #89 ProGunLiberal

He was a left leaning democrat who would often get both boots and both barrels from the wingnuts that used to be here, sometimes for nothing more than posting a pic of a Studebaker.

And despite all the harassment, mockery and name calling, he tended to keep it classy more often than not.

94 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:30:45pm

re: #93 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

He was a left leaning democrat who would often get both boots and both barrels from the wingnuts that used to be here, sometimes for nothing more than posting a pic of a Studebaker.

And despite all the harassment, mockery and name calling, he tended to keep it classy more often than not.

Good morning!

-1

95 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:31:16pm

And a Navy vet.

96 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:31:39pm

re: #93 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Sounds like he was a good guy.

I tend to be a bit more...bite-y than him.

97 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:32:13pm

re: #90 Gus

Avanti was like Spacejesus. Had over -2000 Karma from all the folks that couldn't handle what they were saying.

I disagree. SJ purposefully provoked. Avanti was just a liberal that caught shit from the wingnut crowd no matter how cordial he was.

98 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:34:45pm

re: #97 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I disagree. SJ purposefully provoked. Avanti was just a liberal that caught shit from the wingnut crowd no matter how cordial he was.

I was just referring to Karma. Not style. ;)

99 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:35:22pm

re: #98 Gus

LIAR!!!
/

100 freetoken  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:36:59pm

As expected, high temperature records across the upper Mississippi valley fell today, and more will probably fall tomorrow as it should be quite unseasonably warm:

[Link: graphical.weather.gov...]

The first two months of the year already were among the warmest on record across the continental US:

[Link: www.ncdc.noaa.gov...]


and March looks to continue that trend.

101 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:37:00pm

ITALY! FUCK YEAH!

Youtube Video
102 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:37:23pm

re: #99 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

LIAR!!!
/

Right. I'm the opposite of a liar. I've shared far too much in this place. Cutting down now.

103 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:38:52pm

re: #101 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

We are getting into Vincent Valentine territory here.

Kinda want that gun.

104 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:40:25pm

re: #102 Gus

It's a danger, true. I hope it hasn't caused too much trouble for you.

I myself would never dream of IRL action against someone I argued with on the internet, but not every human is that stable.

105 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:42:45pm

re: #104 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

It's a danger, true. I hope it hasn't caused too much trouble for you.

I myself would never dream of IRL action against someone I argued with on the internet, but not every human is that stable.

Not a big deal as far as I can tell. Internet stuff is the least of my worries.

106 engineer cat  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:44:18pm

avanti... studebaker

huh

i was just commenting on another blog about where the design of my 1999 honda prelude was stolen from

i wonder what's up with all this synchronicity lately - just got a new job this week and the first thing i saw when i turned on the teevee this morning was an ad for that very company

107 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:45:05pm

Merle Haggard - Working Man Blues

Youtube Video
108 Gus  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 10:54:30pm

David Allan Coe- If that ain't Country

Youtube Video
109 bratwurst  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 11:04:42pm

I am sure this is old news by now, but just got home a while ago an I am trying to recall having seen something lamer than the new Newt Gingrich $2.50 gas logo...but I am really at a loss here.

110 Sophia77  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 11:14:34pm

Well, anyway, I am wondering, what about those young ladies who are married? And might want birth control?

Maybe, they should be abstinent also.

I think this is an excellent plan.

111 Kragar  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 11:16:07pm

re: #110 Sophia77

Well, anyway, I am wondering, what about those young ladies who are married? And might want birth control?

Maybe, they should be abstinent also.

I think this is an excellent plan.

We should help them. Some bolt cutters for all of them, to keep their men in line.

112 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 11:16:38pm

re: #109 bratwurst

Looks like Soviet agitprop to me.

113 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 11:19:11pm

re: #90 Gus

Avanti was like Spacejesus. Had over -2000 Karma from all the folks that couldn't handle what they were saying.

Avanti was and is fabulous, and a seriously valuable contributor to this site.
I miss seeing him. Suck it up, Buttercup.

114 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 11:23:16pm

And one day GOP leaders, at the local, state and national levels will explain the complex process by which proposing and passing such intrusive laws (or denying funding) will kick start the economy.

115 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 11:24:23pm

re: #114 Eclectic Infidel

They can't, because anything they try to explain is fiction.

116 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 11:32:52pm

re: #113 Floral Giraffe

You have a talent for delivering tenderness with a distinct sting. People pay good money for that sort of thing.
///!

117 dell*nix  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 11:34:34pm

re: #101 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I WANT, I WANT, I WANT!!!

Just so I can say I have one.

118 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 11:35:41pm

re: #117 dell*nix

I saw it and thought "Zombie Stopper"!!!

119 dell*nix  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 11:36:49pm

re: #118 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

For when you want to say you really, really mean "HALT".

120 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 11:40:34pm

re: #116 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

You have a talent for delivering tenderness with a distinct sting. People pay good money for that sort of thing.
///!

How much?
LOL!

121 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 11:41:26pm

re: #118 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I saw it and thought "Zombie Stopper"!!!

I know you meant a good spanking!
//sorta

122 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 13, 2012 11:42:54pm

re: #120 Floral Giraffe

Well, I pay in Tri-Tip, so it's as much as you can eat.

EDIT: And no, Tri-Tip is not a euphemism for anything. I do not joke about Tri-Tip.

123 boxhead  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 12:41:17am

What the hell is wrong with the GOP? What a bunch of dumb asses. I kind of feel like Woody Harrelson when he said that he feels like crying when the GOP speaks.

124 dragonath  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 12:44:47am

I love eating Tri-Tip with good horseradish.

The Hawaii caucus results are coming in now, and Romney is barely holding on even there. I went looking for some information about the islands and found this fascinating Wikipedia article.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

125 Lidane  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 12:46:44am

re: #123 boxhead

What the hell is wrong with the GOP?

I've been asking that question for about 20 years now. Still don't have an answer.

126 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 12:47:28am

re: #123 boxhead

What the hell is wrong with the GOP? What a bunch of dumb asses. I kind of feel like Woody Harrelson when he said that he feels like crying when the GOP speaks.

Would you like that list alphabetically, categorically, or chronologically?

127 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 12:53:39am

re: #126 Targetpractice

Would you like that list alphabetically, categorically, or chronologically?

By radiological decay.

128 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 1:00:36am

re: #109 bratwurst

I am sure this is old news by now, but just got home a while ago an I am trying to recall having seen something lamer than the new Newt Gingrich $2.50 gas logo...but I am really at a loss here.

Michelle Bachmann was promising $2.00 per gallon. Anyone care to underbid that?

129 freetoken  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 1:12:25am

re: #126 Targetpractice

Would you like that list alphabetically, categorically, or chronologically?

How about according to the Periodic Table of Idiocy?

130 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 1:12:55am

Quacks persuade the GOP to take the crazy train, to kook-a-monga no less.

One of our greatest prophets, Daffy Duck, predicted it over 60 years ago:

Youtube Video

(I'm well aware that the city referenced is Rancho Cucamonga CA. This fits though since it ranks as the 28th most conservative city in the US)

131 freetoken  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 1:14:38am
MP3 Audio
132 boxhead  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 1:17:43am

re: #125 Lidane

I've been asking that question for about 20 years now. Still don't have an answer.

I used to like the GOP many years ago. Now they are so bad I struggle not to call my GOP friends outright dumb asses.... I am willing to entertain the thought that I am wrong, but damn, I start laughing and spewing beer all over the place when I do.

I need KilgorTrout to explain why I am wrong just one more time....

LOL.. there I go again...

133 researchok  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 1:20:48am

Morning, all

134 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 1:21:12am

I always had a problem with the GOP on social issues, and that end of the platform has come take over their entire approach.

135 researchok  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 1:23:13am

re: #134 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

They have gone from least intrusive to most intrusive.

136 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 1:25:23am

re: #135 researchok

They have gone from least intrusive to most intrusive.

If you look closely at business and financial issues, they differ from the Democrats only by degree.

But when it comes to key issues like health care, gay rights, women's religious rights, contraception and abortion, they have gone off the scale for idiocy.

137 researchok  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 1:26:49am

re: #136 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

For the most part, no argument here.

I abhor what the GOP has become- and I say that as someone center right.

138 researchok  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 1:28:22am

re: #132 boxhead

Understood.

But let's be clear- conservatives are not necessarily happily with the current GOP iteration.

139 boxhead  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 1:28:38am

re: #136 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

If you look closely at business and financial issues, they differ from the Democrats only by degree.

But when it comes to key issues like health care, gay rights, women's religious rights, contraception and abortion, they have gone off the scale for idiocy.

yes... it is those same issues that freak me out. The GOP is really pushing for a Theocracy and are OK with it. F them.

140 researchok  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 1:30:43am

re: #139 boxhead

Realistically, they are pandering for votes from the bottom feeder pool.

This cycle will teach them a big lesson- the future for the GOP is not the evangelicals or even the TP.

141 boxhead  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 1:31:32am

re: #138 researchok

Understood.

But let's be clear- conservatives are not necessarily happily with the current GOP iteration.

The sane conservatives need to stand up. There are a few that do, but not enough. Lord I wish William Buckley Jr was still alive. He would have eviscerated the current GOP trend. And none of these GOP bile spewers would dare take him on.

142 boxhead  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 1:32:51am

re: #140 researchok

Realistically, they are pandering for votes from the bottom feeder pool.

This cycle will teach them a big lesson- the future for the GOP is not the evangelicals or even the TP.

And that pool is not likely to shrink... Not with how we support education.

143 researchok  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 1:36:26am

re: #141 boxhead

Ain't that the truth.

What got lost in all this is how adeptly the left (for the most part) neutralized the nut job wing.

Obama did not close Guantanamo, eviscerate the FBI or CIA or give an inch on national security, notwithstanding the hopes and prayers of the nut jobs (remember General Betrayus? Down the memory hole now). He made clear there was no room at the table for crackpots.

The GOP has to do what the Dems did- remove the nut job platform, not enhance it.

144 researchok  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 1:38:03am

re: #142 boxhead

Education is a separate issue, in my opinion, certainly one that needs to be addressed.

The problem as I see it is in giving the nut jobs an actual voice and place at the table. That is unacceptable.

145 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 1:55:17am

re: #144 researchok

Education is a separate issue, in my opinion, certainly one that needs to be addressed.

The problem as I see it is in giving the nut jobs an actual voice and place at the table. That is unacceptable.

They are very noisy and have a lot of financial backing. makes it hard to ignore them. but you take them on at your own risk: I cannot remember where the quote stems, I think it was a Rick Santorum supporter, but I saw it in a post here "God does not come to take sides - he comes to take over!"

and inasmuch as they believe they are fulfilling god's will, they have not come to take sides, they have come to take over

146 boxhead  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 2:02:36am

re: #144 researchok

Education is a separate issue, in my opinion, certainly one that needs to be addressed.

The problem as I see it is in giving the nut jobs an actual voice and place at the table. That is unacceptable.

I think the nut jobs would have less traction if the listening populace had a good education.

147 researchok  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 2:05:08am

re: #145 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

True- but 'evangelical' talk is not restricted to one side.

The hard right may use the toga of religion- but the hard left uses similar language in deriding the faith based community, etc.

The problem as you note is the dogmatic approach, the no compromise attitude prevalent in politics today.

All to often there is only preaching to the choir and very little reaching out- by either side. Then there is shock and recrimination when the 'other side' wins.

No one wants to acknowledge the reality that most people are sick of the bickering (as in look how well Congress is loved). They want compromise

The truth is the outliers and extremists want to be acknowledged as mainstream. They have to because if truth most people are more middle of the road and amenable to compromise, they would be deemed irrelevant.

It never ceases to amaze me how often these far right/left types actually believe their agenda is not transparent. They never engage the 'other', only preach and whip up the choir.

Now there is dissonance!

148 researchok  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 2:05:33am

re: #146 boxhead

No truer words.

149 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 2:12:46am

re: #146 boxhead

I think the nut jobs would have less traction if the listening populace had a good education.

We see it all the time: too many people do not even know what Evolution is, much less how science works. Namely that is a difference between a scientific paper and a set of holy scriptures.

Nor do they seem to have a grasp of civics, and what freedom of speech and religion really mean.

150 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 2:30:12am

re: #144 researchok

Education is a separate issue, in my opinion, certainly one that needs to be addressed.

The problem as I see it is in giving the nut jobs an actual voice and place at the table. That is unacceptable.

Last election cycle, you said that you would be voting for the GOP and that the rational conservatives would be able to curb the political power of the socons, to eject them from the party.

What was your plan for doing so, and why did it fail?

151 researchok  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 2:35:13am

re: #150 Obdicut

As I noted before to you, I never stated who I was voting for. Ever.

The GOP failed because they chose pandering for votes (always easier than earning those votes)

This cycle, I'm staying home.

152 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 2:38:06am

Standard GOP strategy was always to play to the socons in the primaries, then drift back to the center in the general election.

That all started to unwravel in 2008 when the socons were dissatisfied with McCain and threatened to abandon the party and run their own "True Conservative" candidate.

So now they have to go so far right to pander to the base that there is no paddling back to the center. Mitt will never be able to back away from his promise/threat to shut down Planned Parenthood.

Yes, all sluts use contraceptives, but not everyone who uses contraceptives is a slut. not everyone going to Planned parenthood is looking for contraception or abortion services.

But th GOP wants to throw out the baby with the bathwater, and in doing so, the mother with the baby...

153 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 2:41:36am

re: #151 researchok

You did say that you would be voting GOP, actually. Would you like me to find the comment?

How did you think the rational conservatives were going to be able to eject the social conservatives from the party? To me, it's been rather obvious that, since the devil's deal was made under Reagan and the fundamentalists were invited into the GOP, things have been getting progressively worse. What's happening now in the GOP is not some brand-new thing.

In addition, the GOP's financial policy has been overtaken by the glibertarians. The GOP went from a party that understood that spending during a recession is necessary, to the party of Grover Norquist and Ayn Rand. This, too, is not something that is new, but something always present-- Norquist, after all, has been a power in the GOP for a long time.

What I'm trying to get across is that the structural and cultural problems in the GOP have been predicted, for a long, long time. You, as well as many other 'conservative' friends of mine (in quotes so as not to associate you with the socons) assured me over and over that these problems would never run to catastrophe, that the party would curb the power of the lunatics.

And yet, this did not happen; the critics were right.

I'm asking you what the plan was, in what way you though their power would be checked, how you thought that would happen, and why it didn't.

154 researchok  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 2:42:30am

re: #152 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Pretty true all around.

Still, the pandering to the outliers isn't only a GOP phenomena or strategy.

Unfortunately, the GOP have managed to dig their own graves, so to speak. When someone like myself and most other center right moderates are so turned off, they have a big problem.

We'd sooner live with a reasonable Democrat than a unreasonable Republican.

155 researchok  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 2:43:00am
You did say that you would be voting GOP, actually. Would you like me to find the comment?

Yes, please do

156 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 2:45:02am

re: #152 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

I think it started far before then. Bush the second was far better than the current crop, but he still enacted abstinence-only policies, that tarnished one of his better achievements, his aid to Africa. He still furthered the breakdown between church and state. Beyond him, while the pace of abortion restrictions has exploded recently, it was still steady and constant under Bush, a constant push from the GOP to restrict access to abortion. Finally, while Bush, at the end of his presidency, accepted (very quietly) the reality of AGW, for the majority of his presidency he fought against the concept and the hardcore anti-science assholes like Inhofe were still riding proud. In fact, the anti-science attitudes in the GOP can easily be traced back as far as Reagan.

157 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 2:45:17am

re: #155 researchok

Yes, please do

Alright, it'll take some time.

158 researchok  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 2:53:20am

re: #153 Obdicut

As to the rest of your comment, I'd have to say I'm in agreement for the most part.

Money (Citizens United) has been a disaster all around. The GOP has exploited the decision to great advantage, allowing fringe voices to buy their way into the collective conservative conscientiousness.

As long as money is the arbiter, the GOP will have to contend with the nut jobs- until they do what the Dems did and just refuse to pander to them. Money is thrown into the wind for only so long. Still, that will take a concerted GOP effort and great discipline to rid themselves of the nut jobs. They will have to do what the Dems did. MoveOn, TruthOut don't 'own' the Democrats. Their influence is quite limited- and good on the Dems for marginalizing the BusHitler crowd.

Your remqrks on the economy are interesting. I would agree there have been times spending works- but each economic cycle is different. What works in one cycle may not work in another, so I'm less critical of calls to cut spending. In this I'm on the Obama plan- less spending, higher taxes. We can argue the details but that has to be the plan.

Finally, I can only concur the GOP to date is an ongoing train wreck. The GOP had the opportunity to reject the evangelicals, TP extremists, etc. They chose not to. That is what went wrong and that is why they will lose the general election. Sometimes, failure is earned..

We don't have to share the same political agenda to see that reality.

159 boxhead  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 2:53:34am

re: #156 Obdicut

Bush the second was far better than the current crop,

Damn that is a saddening statement...

160 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 2:56:34am

re: #156 Obdicut

Bush the second was far better than the current crop

Look what his own party did to him over immigration reform. Current GOP policy involves electric fences and alligator-filled moats.

161 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 2:57:38am

re: #160 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Look what his own party did to him over immigration reform. Current GOP policy involves electric fences and alligator-filled moats.

And the web is make of nylon!

162 researchok  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 2:58:27am

re: #156 Obdicut

You know, the current Africa policy bothers me. It seems almost non existent.

Obviously, there are realpolitik considerations, but still, we seem to be lagging.

When George Clooney is the most credible American voice, we need to reexamine what we are and are not doing.

163 EdDantes  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 2:59:46am

re: #160 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

The "alligator-filled moats" was Obama speculating on what conservatives would want.

164 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:01:26am

re: #163 EdDantes

The "alligator-filled moats" was Obama speculating on what conservatives would want.

I think the alligator idea originated with Herman Cain...

165 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:02:45am

re: #158 researchok

Your remqrks on the economy are interesting. I would agree there have been times spending works- but each economic cycle is different.

Nope. Austerity is dumb for a wide variety of reasons. One is the very simple effect on the economy; one of the reason the unemployement rate is so high is because of the number of government jobs that have been cut. Those people don't simply disappear, and we don't have a large welfare system for them to fall back on. They go from people being paid to do a job to people collecting unemployment. Their economic output disappears, their level of spending dives, and it.

Another problem with cutting spending is because it pretends that cutting spending cuts costs. It doesn't. Cuts to programs may lead to greater costs down the road-- they usually do. The problem with calls to cut 'spending' is that it completely ignores what we spend money on, and why it's important. Basically: If something deserves to be cut, it doesn't matter if it's during a recession or not.

But if something is going to cost more money when cut than when not-- like cutting funding to planned parenthood, or to a youth center that keeps kids from getting involved in crime-- then it's doubly-stupid to cut it in a recession.

In this I'm on the Obama plan- less spending, higher taxes. We can argue the details but that has to be the plan.

Nope. That's the practical plan as he deals with having the GOP still involved in politics. If you listen to his pre-election speeches, he listed a lot of things he wanted cut-- as he is doing now-- but they were specific, and directed-- he wants to cut oil and gas subsidies and pump that money into alternative energy research.

If the GOP were not there to sandbag everything, I think we'd be seeing a Manhattan Project push for alternative energy. It is necessary. It is not going to happen as long as the GOP is around, whether it is the GOP with the voting habits and ideals of today, four years ago, or twenty years ago.

166 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:06:31am

re: #162 researchok

Another area where the GOP has let rhetoric completely overtake reality, yammering on about foreign aid when the amount of money we fund USAID with is a drop in the bucket.

167 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:07:36am

re: #165 Obdicut

It's too early to be on a roll.
I hate you.
;)

168 boxhead  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:08:30am

re: #166 Obdicut

Another area where the GOP has let rhetoric completely overtake reality, yammering on about foreign aid when the amount of money we fund USAID with is a drop in the bucket.

yep... as well as funding NPR, PBS, and other such things that GOP hates.

169 EdDantes  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:08:33am

re: #164 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

I think the alligator idea originated with Herman Cain...

I think Cain was for electric fences not alligators. Obama made the alligatrr quip in a speech. In any case, Cain never set GOP policy and has no influence on it, whatever GOP policy may be.

170 researchok  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:10:44am

re: #165 Obdicut

Austerity is not 'dumb' when needed.

All of Europe and the IMF can't be wrong in demanding austerity. That, in addition to strong fiscal discipline and responsible tax policies ae necessary for overall economic health.

Spending is a necessary part of a national financial strategy, but like every thing else, it has to be disciplined spending. If we taxed corporations and the rich 100%, we could not run the government for more than half a year.

Like Obama has said on many occasions, fiscal policy requires a cut in spending in addition to higher taxes. Counties, municipalities and even states are in big trouble. We can't buy or tax our way out it.

171 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:11:19am

re: #168 boxhead

yep... as well as funding NPR, PBS, and other such things that GOP hates.

And now Romney, the 'moderate', being against the NEH. Because yeah, that less-than-two-hundred million a year is really goddamn sinking us, and it's like like educating our educators is something important.

172 researchok  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:11:58am

re: #166 Obdicut

You never heard me make the argument against USAID, etc.

173 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:12:03am

Austerity ain't working in Greece.

174 researchok  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:12:40am

re: #168 boxhead

Yeah, that stuff is barely a drop in the bucket.

175 researchok  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:13:11am

re: #173 Varek Raith

They haven't even started yet.

176 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:14:06am

Dear Mitt,
At least you won Hawaii...
That counts for something, a coconut maybe?

177 researchok  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:14:34am

It's after 6...I'm outta here till later.

So long you godless heathens.

//

178 researchok  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:14:52am

re: #176 Varek Raith

LOLOL

179 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:17:01am

re: #170 researchok

Austerity is not 'dumb' when needed.

Austerity, as a policy in and of itself, is dumb because, as I said, it matters what you cut. If you cut something that causes greater costs down the road, you are simply making the problem worse.

All of Europe and the IMF can't be wrong in demanding austerity.

As I've already demonstrated to you, it is false to claim that all of Europe is demanding austerity. And even if they were, yes, all of Europe could be wrong about an economic policy.

Spending is a necessary part of a national financial strategy, but like every thing else, it has to be disciplined spending. If we taxed corporations and the rich 100%, we could not run the government for more than half a year.

Why are you into discipline for spending, but not into discipline in cutting spending?

Like Obama has said on many occasions, fiscal policy requires a cut in spending in addition to higher taxes. Counties, municipalities and even states are in big trouble. We can't buy or tax our way out it.

We need to lower spending over time. That's what part of HCR was about-- to lower spending. That doesn't mean that to achieve that goal, cutting spending RIGHT NOW is going to be the right choice. If you want to stop spending money on paper plates, you have to spend money on a piece of stoneware.

In order to fix most of our spending problems, we'll have to spend a lot of money. Or, as it used to be called before the glibertarians rode proud, invest it.

We are not in a steady-state. AGW is advancing quickly, our educational problems are increasing, the divide between rich and poor is growing and weakening our economy, our research and development is slipping-- all of these problems need to be addressed. None of them can be addressed by cutting spending.

The goal is not to balance the budget. The goal is to solve the problems facing our country.

180 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:17:29am

re: #172 researchok

You never heard me make the argument against USAID, etc.

And..?

181 boxhead  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:21:46am

re: #179 Obdicut

The spending we need to end is having troops all over this globe. The spending we need to increase is rebuilding our infrastructure and not some other hell hole of a Country.

182 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:24:49am

The US GDP is $14.59 Trillion.

US government spending (which is NOT simply a subtraction from the GDP) is $3.360 trillion.

The State of Norway spends $177 billion, out of a GDP of $413 Billion.

Obviously, we're not anywhere near a limit of practical, sustainable government spending, as demonstrated by the stable, prosperous, and wealthy Scandinavian states.

183 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:25:17am

re: #180 Obdicut

And..?

...Wyoming needs a carrier.

184 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:26:06am

And Norway follows the very, very simple rule:

Cut government spending during boom times, when there is less need for it.

Increase government spending in recessions, when there is more need for it.

185 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:33:30am

Encyclopedia Britannica to stop printing books

I object!
Dammit.

186 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:34:26am

Another place where basic education is lacking is in the difference betwen macro and microeconomics. We cannot run government like a business. Businesses are about making a profit, government is about assuring that citizens are able to excercise their baasic rights.

187 EdDantes  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:38:32am

re: #185 Varek Raith

Encyclopedia Britannica to stop printing books

I object!
Dammit.

I saw that. It was just a matter of time. Encyclopedia Britannica began during the Scottish enlightenment in Edinburgh. I always wanted to own a set, now I probably never will. Progress.

188 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 3:44:06am

re: #186 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

And government has an obligation to plan for the future. Businesses don't. They may, or may not, but there's nothing wrong with founding a company that's expected only to last for a portion of years and then divest. In fact, that's how corporations used to actually work.

189 EdDantes  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:02:40am

If the ocean was whiskey,
and I was a duck,
I'd dive to the bottom and never come up.
Night, all.

190 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:05:27am

re: #188 Obdicut

And government has an obligation to plan for the future. Businesses don't. They may, or may not, but there's nothing wrong with founding a company that's expected only to last for a portion of years and then divest. In fact, that's how corporations used to actually work.

Someone pointed out that if we were to run America like a company, then we would sell off our worst-perfoming states, like Mississippi and West Virginia and concentrate on the money-makers.

191 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:07:05am

re: #169 EdDantes

I think Cain was for electric fences not alligators. Obama made the alligatrr quip in a speech. In any case, Cain never set GOP policy and has no influence on it, whatever GOP policy may be.

McCain also joked about alligators.

It was a bit of hyperbole in that McCain is only a minor figure in the party, but even Newt Gingrich got booed at a debate for saying he is not in favor of an immigration policy that would break up families.

192 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:07:59am

Good Morning Honcos!

193 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:22:59am

re: #187 EdDantes

I saw that. It was just a matter of time. Encyclopedia Britannica began during the Scottish enlightenment in Edinburgh. I always wanted to own a set, now I probably never will. Progress.

Just download the text, print it out and bind it yourself. voila.

194 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:42:55am

re: #193 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

The story of the creation of the OED, much like the OED itself, is fascinating and really tedious.

195 Flounder  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:46:15am

NJ is going to shut down some city buildings if there is no crapper paper
[Link: philadelphia.cbslocal.com...]
Couldn't they just use the three shells?

196 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:53:59am

re: #195 Tommy's cone of shame

NJ is going to shut down some city buildings if there is no crapper paper
[Link: philadelphia.cbslocal.com...]
Couldn't they just use the three shells?

My helicopter detachment was embarked on a Frigate for a 2 week exercise off the coast of the US. 3 days in, the supply officer approached me with a sensitive issue: the ship was almost out of toilet paper. He begged me to take the ship credit card to the Air Force Exchange in Charleston during one of my flights and load up on paper. I successfully delivered the tp without the Captain of the ship realizing it, keeping the suppo out of trouble. Needless to say, I got anything I needed from the suppo on our 6 month deployment that followed. Just had to bring up the tp...

197 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:54:34am

re: #195 Tommy's cone of shame

NJ is going to shut down some city buildings if there is no crapper paper
[Link: philadelphia.cbslocal.com...]
Couldn't they just use the three shells?

A microcosm of wht happened last year with the federal budget.

198 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:55:29am

re: #195 Tommy's cone of shame

NJ is going to shut down some city buildings if there is no crapper paper
[Link: philadelphia.cbslocal.com...]
Couldn't they just use the three shells?

Tony should have Paulie visit Mr. Wiffle.

'Morning, all.

199 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:59:32am

re: #196 We are ANONYMOUS, WE ARE LEGION, we are arrested

My helicopter detachment was embarked on a Frigate for a 2 week exercise off the coast of the US. 3 days in, the supply officer approached me with a sensitive issue: the ship was almost out of toilet paper. He begged me to take the ship credit card to the Air Force Exchange in Charleston during one of my flights and load up on paper. I successfully delivered the tp without the Captain of the ship realizing it, keeping the suppo out of trouble. Needless to say, I got anything I needed from the suppo on our 6 month deployment that followed. Just had to bring up the tp...

The Air Force ran a milk run from Aviano, Italy to support our small Army bases in N. Greece. One trip was a C-130 with two on the manifest, me and one pallet of TP. The troops were happier to see the TP.

200 Flounder  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:07:02am

re: #198 Decatur Deb
Mr. Wiffle=Mr. Whipple?
Or is it Mrs. Whiggins from the Carol Burnett Show.
I hope someone finds this amusing, I'm running outta material.

201 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:08:21am

re: #200 Tommy's cone of shame

Mr. Wiffle=Mr. Whipple?
Or is it Mrs. Whiggins from the Carol Burnett Show.
I hope someone finds this amusing, I'm running outta material.

AAAKK.

202 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:15:27am

Mr. Whiffle is the one who invented the platic ball with the holes in it...

203 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:17:11am

re: #202 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Mr. Whiffle is the one who invented the platic ball with the holes in it...

Which works better than his toilet paper invention.

204 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:19:17am

Morning Lizardim. What's new in the land of the odd?

205 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:39:19am

re: #204 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim. What's new in the land of the odd?

They fired Bear Grylls.

206 iossarian  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:39:28am

re: #204 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim. What's new in the land of the odd?

Not much, evidently.

207 iossarian  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:40:38am

re: #205 Varek Raith

They fired Bear Grylls.

Man vs. unemployment queue.

208 Flounder  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:40:40am

I equate this to stealing:
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
If you buy something stolen, and the rightful owner comes to take it back, should the owner refund you the money you paid for the stolen goods? I don't think so.

209 Flounder  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:41:47am

re: #207 iossarian

I'm lost and unemployed, lets drink my piss!
/

210 iossarian  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:43:15am

re: #209 Tommy's cone of shame

I'm lost and unemployed, lets drink my piss!
/

That would actually be a reality show worth watching. "Highly trained survivalist attempts to live past the age of 45 with no regular income in the USA."

PISS WILL BE DRUNKEN.

211 iossarian  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:46:07am

Republicans threatening to filibuster consensus district court nominees.

What a bunch of sore losers. Just pathetic.

212 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:52:40am

re: #190 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Someone pointed out that if we were to run America like a company, then we would sell off our worst-perfoming states, like Mississippi and West Virginia and concentrate on the money-makers.

The Romneybot 6000 wants to be POTUS so that Bain Capital can then be authorized to break up West Virginia and sell off the coal region to Massey Energy and the rest to Kentucky, Virginia, Maryland, and Pennsylvania for minor profits to help balance the budget.

Mississippi and Alabama will be merged and then sold to China.
//

213 iossarian  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:56:35am

re: #212 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Mississippi and Alabama will be merged and then sold to China.

I doubt China has any need for more underdeveloped rural regions.

214 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:57:48am

re: #213 iossarian

I doubt China has any need for more underdeveloped rural regions.

I'll buy them.
Would make a perfect place for Jurassic Park: USA.

215 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:00:08am

re: #214 Varek Raith

I'll buy them.
Would make a perfect place for Jurassic Park: USA.

Buying the northern part of Ontario as an energy weapons testing range as well?
;)

216 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:00:36am

re: #215 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Buying the northern part of Ontario as an energy weapons testing range as well?
;)

They may want to duck.

217 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:03:31am

re: #205 Varek Raith

They fired Bear Grylls.

What a silly faker that dude was.

218 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:05:19am

re: #217 Obdicut

What a silly faker that dude was.

You're clearly jealous.
/
:P

219 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:06:11am

re: #208 Tommy's cone of shame

I equate this to stealing:
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
If you buy something stolen, and the rightful owner comes to take it back, should the owner refund you the money you paid for the stolen goods? I don't think so.

Looks like the city screwed up and put themselves in a hard spot. Poorly implemented and communicated policy change regarding the tax forms. And then poor selection of liens to turn over to a collection agency.

That a *business* would continue pursuing the collections should not surprise anyone. They're in the business of making money, not civil and social issues of a city they are not located in.* So a bunch of small groups get caught in a vise and screwed. I expect the collection agency and the city to sue each other over it at some point as well.

* - When I lived in Western PA local taxes were collected for the municipalities by 3rd party firms. This was a continual hassle over back tax bills since the company would get 3-4 year-old state tax records and then send out delinquent tax bills (including fat penalties) based on that information. All without checking their own records (which a friend who also had issues with them told me were a mess) that listed a move between municipalities that explained the discrepancy.

220 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:13:18am

re: #218 Varek Raith

I don't have to eat elephant shit, so not so much.

Les Stroud is much niftier, on every level.

221 lewispryor  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:17:29am

Remember, this new incarnation of the GOP is supposed to be the last bastion of FREEDOM(!!!!!), valiantly combatting Barack Obama's GOVERNMENT TYRANNY!!!! How do we know this? Because they've said so, over and over and over and over again.

222 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:21:21am

Posted in the wrong thread:

[Link: www.theglobeandmail.com...]

A Roman-era burial box inscribed “James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus” was reprieved from the scrapheap of history on Wednesday when a Jerusalem judge completely exonerated an Israeli antiquities collector who had been accused of forging it.

The verdict, delivered by Judge Aharon Farkash in a tiny, crowded courtroom in the Jerusalem District Courthouse, ended a seven-year ordeal for the accused, Oded Golan, 60, but it will do little to extinguish the decade-long scientific controversy over the authenticity of the limestone box which has raged since it was first displayed to the public at the Royal Ontario Museum in 2002.

It doesn't prove the ossuary to be authentic, but I don't see what's the big deal is. James is mentioned as Jesus' brother by Josephus, and this passage was quoted as early as 2nd century by Origen (who also wrote that Josephus did not believe Jesus to be the Christ, thus showing he had an access to the un-interpolated version).

223 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:21:41am

re: #220 Obdicut

I don't have to eat elephant shit, so not so much.

Les Stroud is much niftier, on every level.

I always found Stroud's series more interesting as well.

224 BeenHereAwhile  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:33:08am

re: #218 Varek Raith

re: #205 Varek Raith
They fired Bear Grylls.

What a silly faker that dude was.

"Climbing this tall, slippery cliff with my bare hands is really very dangerous. I could fall to death or injury with no assistance available for miles!"

Oh yea, and the camera crew will simply ignore your fall and take the helicopter to the next reality show.

225 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:34:42am

re: #224 BeenHereAwhile

I'm surprised that fat German tourists didn't occasionally just wander into the shot.

226 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:37:10am

Morning all!

Do these "men" ever stop to think that the "people" they are having sex with, and denying contraception to, are "women". Maybe they don't because sharing time with a rent boy means you are still faithful to your wife.

/

227 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:38:22am

re: #225 Obdicut

I'm surprised that fat German tourists didn't occasionally just wander into the shot.

You could probably get George Lucas to do a revised edition and he'll CGI some in (along with droids and some wayward Jawas).

228 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:40:31am

re: #226 ggt

Morning all!

Do these "men" ever stop to think that the "people" they are having sex with, and denying contraception to, are "women". Maybe they don't because sharing time with a rent boy means you are still faithful to your wife.

/

No, they don't think about it at all. Honestly, to a rabid hyper-evangelical type, sex is sex, and All Sex Is Bad, unless it's a married man to his own wife, and then it's supposed to be "Whenever the man wants it, however the man wants it, and the woman should just lie back and take it and not try to stop God's will from happening." Anything else, and of course it's the woman who has loose morals, a man who cheats on his wife is just a "good ol' boy".

229 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:41:01am

What's the deal with his pants?

230 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:42:39am

Love it!

Price of Oil

231 dell*nix  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:46:25am

This video ought to scare the shit out of the county board of commissioners. Good thing I did not have any coffee at hand when I heard it.

Youtube Video

Storm Large - 8 Miles Wide

232 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:46:44am

Why does this sound like a scene from Porky's II? A bunch of misogynistic fools who think that if women behave themselves, everything will be alright? As if guys aren't responsible for their own actions.

Youtube Video
233 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:50:45am

I love Charles's category of "bad craziness".

Certainly fits.

234 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:55:51am

re: #232 lawhawk

Women are never pressured into sex, and if they are and they attempt to use contraception when they are, that clearly shows they wanted it anyway.

235 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:56:13am

re: #231 dell*nix

This video ought to scare the shit out of the county board of commissioners. Good thing I did not have any coffee at hand when I heard it.

[Embedded content]Storm Large - 8 Miles Wide

ROTFLAMO!

The horse was cool too.

:0

236 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:56:31am

Did I kill the thread?

237 dell*nix  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:00:39am

re: #236 ggt

Nah, I have another tab open with Storm Large on YouTube. Not my usual fare, but crazy fun.

238 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:00:50am

re: #236 ggt

It's working time for me. I've just figured out my brilliant solution but unfortunately it involves a lot of rather dreary labors.

239 iossarian  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:01:34am

re: #238 Obdicut

It's working time for me. I've just figured out my brilliant solution but unfortunately it involves a lot of rather dreary labors.

Hence, outsourcing.

240 dell*nix  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:01:42am

re: #235 ggt

Yep, the horse was cool.

241 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:02:35am

re: #239 iossarian

Nah, if you don't do it yourself you don't really understand it, and then there's trouble down the road.

242 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:02:56am

re: #241 Obdicut

Nah, if you don't do it yourself you don't really understand it, and then there's trouble down the road.

Pool halls.

243 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:02:59am

More Storm Large

We are the Champions:

Youtube Video
244 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:03:47am

re: #237 dell*nix

Nah, I have another tab open with Storm Large on YouTube. Not my usual fare, but crazy fun.

certainly a singular individual with a lot of talent.

245 iossarian  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:05:46am

re: #241 Obdicut

Nah, if you don't do it yourself you don't really understand it, and then there's trouble down the road.

That's a feature of outsourcing, not a bug!

Why do you hate capitalism?

246 dell*nix  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:05:51am

re: #244 ggt

Highly expressive eyes. Easily says crazy.

247 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:06:09am

re: #170 researchok

Austerity is not 'dumb' when needed.

All of Europe and the IMF can't be wrong in demanding austerity. That, in addition to strong fiscal discipline and responsible tax policies ae necessary for overall economic health.

Spending is a necessary part of a national financial strategy, but like every thing else, it has to be disciplined spending. If we taxed corporations and the rich 100%, we could not run the government for more than half a year.

Like Obama has said on many occasions, fiscal policy requires a cut in spending in addition to higher taxes. Counties, municipalities and even states are in big trouble. We can't buy or tax our way out it.

Let's not lose sight of the fact that current Eurozone policy is set by better-off countries and being imposed upon weaker ones. The "austerity" is being rather unevenly applied, and in the case of Greece punitive to degree that not long ago there were discussions about whether the intent was to force the country out of the EU.

Also, let's not overlook what kind of policy put which countries in the hole financially...Italy, Spain, and Greece all went on a laissez-faire binge.

248 iossarian  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:08:11am

re: #247 The Ghost of a Flea

Let's not lose sight of the fact that current Eurozone policy is set by better-off countries and being imposed upon weaker ones.

Not just countries: groups within countries. Thus within the UK, austerity is being imposed on the poorer North by the South-Eastern elite.

249 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:09:27am

re: #220 Obdicut

I don't have to eat elephant shit, so not so much.

Les Stroud is much niftier, on every level.

Ray Mears's shows are way better than Bear Grylls. There's actually some practical and practicable advice in there.

250 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:14:47am

re: #249 The Ghost of a Flea

Haven't seen him. I'll have to check him out.

For me, Stroud is great on a number of levels, but first and foremost: no camera crew. The reality of isolation.

251 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:15:42am

This is the anniversary of the first life saved by the modern usage of penicillin.

Science is great.

252 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:16:18am
Imagine them with arms locked and in protest together. They wouldn’t be just resisters in a “war on women,” but more like freedom fighters in a war to save America from the tyranny of man.

just imagine

254 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:17:49am

re: #246 dell*nix

Highly expressive eyes. Easily says crazy.

Crazy has it's merits.

255 dell*nix  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:19:07am

Pink Martini with Storm Large - Splendor in the Grass

Youtube Video

Very talented lady. With a wicked sense of humor.

256 dell*nix  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:20:57am

re: #254 ggt

Worked for me when I worked in a convience store.

257 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:24:12am

Oh gee, a freaking snow blizzard outside. Nice spring we have this year.

259 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:25:57am

re: #257 Freeze Peach

Oh gee, a freaking snow blizzard outside. Nice spring we have this year.

And here it's going to be a record-breaking 70 degrees. WINNING!

260 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:29:00am

re: #259 thedopefishlives

And here it's going to be a record-breaking 70 degrees. WINNING!

Not quite 70, but definitely showing signs of Spring around here.

261 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:33:20am

Morning'. Must be great to live in a country that never ever makes any mistakes. All criticism is false I tells ya! Sez so right here! OK, I'm being cryptic.

262 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:33:56am

re: #261 Gus

Morning'. Must be great to live in a country that never ever makes any mistakes. All criticism is false I tells ya! Sez so right here! OK, I'm being cryptic.

America, fuck yeah!

263 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:34:18am

re: #262 thedopefishlives

America, fuck yeah!

That country too.

//

264 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:34:56am

re: #258 Gus

Malkin et al. really say that "it was a joke" is the left's defense? Really?

265 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:35:58am

re: #264 Freeze Peach

Malkin et al. really say that "it was a joke" is the left's defense? Really?

Apparently. Bill Maher is their big giant magical balance fairy raccoon flatulence.

266 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:37:46am

Derp!

267 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:39:28am

re: #266 Gus

Derp!

I got about 3 sentences in, and then I developed a sharp pain in my head and I had to stop before I hulked out and maimed somebody.

268 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:41:38am

Remember how the right always whines about expressions like "American Taliban", and try to blather about how "pro-women" they are in comparison to those eeevil Muslims? Well guess who sees right through that:

Keep in mind Mona Eltahawy's own experiences with a misogynistic culture. I trust she knows it when she sees it.

269 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:42:23am

re: #266 Gus

"Rising fuel costs? It’s Israel, stupid."

Astonishing analysis.

270 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:42:37am

re: #267 thedopefishlives

I got about 3 sentences in, and then I developed a sharp pain in my head and I had to stop before I hulked out and maimed somebody.

Pretty much. Israel Hayom is right wing rag owned by Sidney Adelson. Not sure as to that status. In this screed the author is claiming that Obama is blaming rising oil prices on Israel's rhetoric regarding Iran. Which isn't an accurate statement. The main perpetrators of the heated rhetoric is coming from the Republican candidates.

271 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:43:56am

re: #269 Freeze Peach

"Rising fuel costs? It’s Israel, stupid."

Astonishing analysis.

...

Obama hates Israel!

Yawn.

272 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:44:33am

re: #271 Gus

That card has been cheap for some time.

273 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:44:38am

I'm seeing a bunch of articles talking about Romney's inability to win over evangelicals and conservatives, even as he rolls to big wins in moderate and traditional blue states. Romney won in the urban areas, while Santorum eked out wins elsewhere to take the statewide tally.

Who among those evangelicals and conservatives are going to vote Obama over Romney? Anyone? Bueller?

It's just filler in the political calendar until the convention. Romney would have to fully implode to give Santorum a chance, and I don't see that happening. Even though Romney didn't win either of the southern states last night, he still picked up delegates because of the proportional system in place, and actually extended his lead due to winning in Hawaii.

Meanwhile, it looks like Newt is going to help Romney win by continuing to split the vote. He's doing himself no favors with the establishment or so-cons, who would rather see him exit stage left poste haste. Newt's ego simply wont let him. Heck, he was saying he managed to win last night, even though he couldn't take states he had previously designated as keys to his winning the nomination. That's political genius. /

274 iossarian  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:46:06am

re: #273 lawhawk

Primary spin.

"Even though it might appear that I lost, if you look at it a certain way, I won!"

275 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:46:16am

re: #273 lawhawk

Newt and Rick: Tweedledum and Tweedledee.

276 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:48:31am

And so it begins!

277 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:48:37am

re: #268 Interesting Times

Keep in mind Mona Eltahawy's own experiences with a misogynistic culture. I trust she knows it when she sees it.

Ha, her follow-up tweet practically reads like a direct reply to what I said above:

278 iossarian  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:48:44am

So I'm waiting for numbers to compute, and I thought I'd pass the time by googling for "Mitt Romney colossal douche"

Anyway, I thought I'd share this because the comments are funny.

[Link: www.fark.com...]

e.g.:

"This one time at polo it rained so hard that my glass of Domaine de la Romanee Conti Grand Cru just wouldn't empty no matter how often I sipped from it! Finally I had to put on our garbage bag to protect my handmade loungewear -- I figured 'well, the garbage bag IS Burberry alligator skin, and I've never seen an alligator get upset about being wet!' Porterhouse had a dickens of a time pushing the Dusenberg out of the mud that day!"

279 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:49:30am

re: #268 Interesting Times

Remember how the right always whines about expressions like "American Taliban", and try to blather about how "pro-women" they are in comparison to those eeevil Muslims? Well guess who sees right through that:

Keep in mind Mona Eltahawy's own experiences with a misogynistic culture. I trust she knows it when she sees it.

And what's wrong wit worry free sex?

280 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:49:42am

re: #276 Gus

Good. And that's all I can muster to say about the non-issue of Maher ;)

281 iossarian  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:50:38am

"Mitt was at a restaurant one time and wiped his fork clean after dropping it instead of demanding a new one."

282 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:51:05am

re: #281 iossarian

"Mitt was at a restaurant one time and wiped his fork clean after dropping it instead of demanding a new one."

3 second rule?

283 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:51:41am

re: #275 Freeze Peach

Newt and Rick: Tweedledum and Tweedledee.

Or to be more inclusive, the Three GOP Stooges

284 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:52:04am

re: #279 ggt

And what's wrong wit worry free sex?

It's fine if it's a man. For a woman to want worry-free sex, though, well, obviously she's a slut and should be ashamed of herself for actually enjoying sex instead of merely enduring it as the reproductive act.

285 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:52:09am

re: #280 Freeze Peach

Good. And that's all I can muster to say about the non-issue of Maher ;)

Boycott the Dixie Chicks!

Freedom fries! Murica. Fuck yeah.

Derp.

286 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:53:54am

re: #281 iossarian

"Mitt was at a restaurant one time and wiped his fork clean after dropping it instead of demanding a new one."

Is this one of those Lenin stories?

Vladimir Ilich Lenin loved children very much, and he especially loved to caress their little heads. It sometimes occurred that as soon as he woke up he desired so much to caress a little child that he immediately told to the guards: “Come on, he says, bring me some child, let me caress his head.” And the guards go on, out of the gate, catching the first child that passed within reach of their hands, and took him to Lenin. On the street of course there was shouting, uproar, hysterical parents, people flock together, they call Lenin names… but Vladimir Ilich just caressed the head of the child, gave him some candy and then let him go.

Although he could have even allowed himself to not let him go.

287 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:56:01am

re: #284 thedopefishlives

It's fine if it's a man. For a woman to want worry-free sex, though, well, obviously she's a slut and should be ashamed of herself for actually enjoying sex instead of merely enduring it as the reproductive act.

I so DON't understand.

Do these men really, really fear women that much?

Is it some Freudian all-powerful Mommy complex?

288 iossarian  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:58:15am

I FREQUENTLY PARTICIPATE IN AMERICAN HUMAN ACTIVITIES AND ALSO CLOTHE AND FEED LIKE OTHER AMERICAN HUMANS. THERE IS NO NEED FOR SUSPICION. HOW ABOUT THAT LOCAL SPORTS TEAM. AH AH AH AH. MAKE ME YOUR LEADER NOW.

289 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:59:39am

Internet tips! If you're interacting with someone who uses the word "Praetorian" to describe themselves you're dealing with some dork that lives in his mother's basement. Block immediately.

290 iossarian  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:03:18am

re: #289 Gus

Internet tips! If you're interacting with someone who uses the word "Praetorian" to describe themselves you're dealing with some dork that lives in his mother's basement. Block immediately.

Similarly "government monies" == right-wing raver.

291 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:04:06am

re: #289 Gus

Internet tips! If you're interacting with someone who uses the word "Praetorian" to describe themselves you're dealing with some dork that lives in his mother's basement. Block immediately.

What's worse than a Praetorian? A Prætorian.

292 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:04:18am

re: #289 Gus

If you deal with someone who always drops movie quotes into every conversation, be afraid. Be very afraid. /oh wait....

293 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:05:49am

NEED . MORE . COFFEE

294 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:06:33am

re: #286 Freeze Peach

Speaking of which, this is an excellent blog post on the topic.

295 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:06:39am

Wut? I'm having flashbacks here.

296 Flounder  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:07:32am

Avoid someone who refers to themselves in the third person.

297 erik_t  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:07:37am

re: #273 lawhawk

I'm seeing a bunch of articles talking about Romney's inability to win over evangelicals and conservatives, even as he rolls to big wins in moderate and traditional blue states. Romney won in the urban areas, while Santorum eked out wins elsewhere to take the statewide tally.

Who among those evangelicals and conservatives are going to vote Obama over Romney? Anyone? Bueller?

They'll vote for nobody, which is the problem. Driving turnout among likely-supporter/non-likely-voters is every bit as important as gathering support from likely-voter/non-likely-supporters.

Romney has given every indication so far that he cannot make people excited, interested or motivated, and a shocking number of states come into play with even 5% or 10% turnout differences on one side of the aisle.

298 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:07:59am

re: #289 Gus

The Praetorians had a bad habit of executing the emperor and installing a new one.

299 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:09:11am

re: #295 Gus

Wut? I'm having flashbacks here.

I clicked through the link and didn't see any proof the pic is fake. I don't get it.

300 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:09:26am

re: #298 Obdicut

The Praetorians had a bad habit of executing the emperor and installing a new one.

Well, sometimes reinstallation is a good solution./

301 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:10:44am

re: #299 Killgore Trout

I clicked through the link and didn't see any proof the pic is fake. I don't get it.

It's not a fake in the sense photoshopped. It's a 2006 pic that was miscaptioned as a child hurt by Israel. Actually that turned out to be not true. Now it is used as a pic allegedly taken during the last bombing of Gazan terrorists.

302 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:11:16am

re: #297 erik_t

Not sure about that. Are they that willing to sit on the sidelines and let Obama come in and trounce in the general election? Or, is their gameplan to sit on their hands, watch Romney lose in a landslide, and then use that as evidence that only a true socon, evangelical can win for the GOP in 2016 - pushing the party even further to the right?

If you're the establishment GOP, that's your worst nightmare - because it would leave the GOP as a regional party at best with little in common between GOPers below the Mason Dixon line and those elsewhere (though the national candidates will spin into contortions to sound like the socons at every opportunity).

303 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:11:17am

re: #299 Killgore Trout

I clicked through the link and didn't see any proof the pic is fake. I don't get it.

Reads funny with "exposed". But we still get bombarded with this type of counter propaganda. Daily.

304 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:11:29am

re: #287 ggt

I so DON't understand.

Do these men really, really fear women that much?

Is it some Freudian all-powerful Mommy complex?

It's not really women they fear. They fear loss of control, to anyone - women, black people, midgets in polka-dot leisure suits. It doesn't matter. They hate feeling like they're not in control of everything. Giving women power to have sex with whomever they want, whenever they want, opens the avenue for rejection. And that takes away their control.

305 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:11:47am

re: #301 Freeze Peach

It's not a fake in the sense photoshopped. It's a 2006 pic that was miscaptioned as a child hurt by Israel. Actually that turned out to be not true. Now it is used as a pic allegedly taken during the last bombing of Gazan terrorists.

Ah, ok.

306 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:12:18am

re: #301 Freeze Peach

It's not a fake in the sense photoshopped. It's a 2006 pic that was miscaptioned as a child hurt by Israel. Actually that turned out to be not true. Now it is used as a pic allegedly taken during the last bombing of Gazan terrorists.

A self generating conspiracy? Do conspiracies divide like cells?

//

307 iossarian  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:14:14am

re: #294 Freeze Peach

Speaking of which, this is an excellent blog post on the topic.

Thanks for that one. Very interesting.

308 erik_t  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:18:20am

re: #302 lawhawk

Not sure about that. Are they that willing to sit on the sidelines and let Obama come in and trounce in the general election? Or, is their gameplan to sit on their hands, watch Romney lose in a landslide, and then use that as evidence that only a true socon, evangelical can win for the GOP in 2016 - pushing the party even further to the right?

You're ascribing far more thought to the average voter than I think is reasonable. Voting isn't a habit for a depressingly large segment of the population -- it's an outlier.

309 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:20:09am

re: #301 Freeze Peach

So, it's fauxtography. Using the photo in the wrong context to go after Israel. And this post goes into more detail about that in any event.

310 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:20:17am

re: #301 Freeze Peach

It's not a fake in the sense photoshopped. It's a 2006 pic that was miscaptioned as a child hurt by Israel. Actually that turned out to be not true. Now it is used as a pic allegedly taken during the last bombing of Gazan terrorists.

As we all know, no one ever dies in Gaza.

311 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:21:12am

re: #306 Gus

The article is a bit misleading, though. That woman didn't concoct this false caption. Altho it may be true that she "first tweeted it", if you follow the links, it was some guy on facebook who actually started it.

312 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:21:15am

re: #310 Gus

As we all know, no one ever dies in Gaza unless it's Israel's fault.

/wish I could say that's satire, but the Palestinian leadership cultivates that to their own ends.

313 Girth  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:21:23am

re: #302 lawhawk

If you're the establishment GOP, that's your worst nightmare - because it would leave the GOP as a regional party at best with little in common between GOPers below the Mason Dixon line and those elsewhere (though the national candidates will spin into contortions to sound like the socons at every opportunity).

Followed by or even accompanied with increased cries of state's rights, calls for nullification, and talk of secession (all of which have already happened to one extent or another).

I could swear I've read this book before...

314 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:21:54am

U.S. Army among 141 groups pulling ads from Limbaugh

A memo being circulated by the distribution company behind Republican shock jock Rush Limbaugh has revealed a massive flight from Limbaugh’s program in the wake of his offensive comments about a Georgetown law student.

The companies include major corporate players like Sony, British Petroleum, McDonald’s, NBC, Toyota, Subway, Lowes, Autozone, Geico, Visa, Mastercard, American Express, State Farm, IBM and many others.

And in a surprise reveal, it appears that the U.S. Army is among them.

315 Digital Display  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:22:34am

re: #310 Gus

As we all know, no one ever dies in Gaza.

I miss the Gaza Rooster..

316 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:23:20am

re: #309 lawhawk

So, it's fauxtography. Using the photo in the wrong context to go after Israel. And this post goes into more detail about that in any event.

It is. I think one of the definitions of fakery is intentional miscaptioning of the photo, altho this may only apply to the creator of the photo. After all, the picture itself is not fake. However, it has been miscaptioned twice - first by Reuters (which they quickly corrected), then by some activist on facebook.

317 Girth  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:24:14am

re: #314 Gus

U.S. Army among 141 groups pulling ads from Limbaugh

1st amendment rights being trampled by the evil Obama minions in charge of the pure and wholesome DoD in 3...2...1...

318 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:25:11am

re: #316 Freeze Peach

It is. I think one of the definitions of fakery is intentional miscaptioning of the photo, altho this may only apply to the creator of the photo. After all, the picture itself is not fake. However, it has been miscaptioned twice - first by Reuters (which they quickly corrected), then by some activist on facebook.

A Tweet.

319 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:25:48am

We now await word from the JIDF.

//

320 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:26:54am

re: #318 Gus

BTW, do you know of a sure way to find a "patient 0" at twitter? Search tags?

321 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:27:19am

re: #320 Freeze Peach

BTW, do you know of a sure way to find a "patient 0" at twitter? Search tags?

For this?

322 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:27:36am

re: #321 Gus

In general.

323 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:28:14am

re: #316 Freeze Peach

It would probably fall into the realm of propaganda - not straight up fauxtography (which addresses miscaptioning, photo editing, etc.). Someone took a photo - whether they knew it was miscaptioned or not is irrelevant and repackaged it as a seemingly new photo to characterize an ongoing event - the Israeli reprisals against Palestinian terrorists in Gaza for their ongoing rocket attacks.

324 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:28:51am

re: #322 Freeze Peach

In general.

Not any more. Google was sort of in partnership with Twitter so you could get a timeline. Hard to locate now. I'm sure it would have started with something in Arabic?

325 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:29:00am

re: #309 lawhawk

So, it's fauxtography. Using the photo in the wrong context to go after Israel. And this post goes into more detail about that in any event.

Thanks.

326 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:29:40am

re: #324 Gus

It actually did ;)

327 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:31:46am

Here Diana Alzeer points to her source:

[Link: manara1ram.blog.com...]

Anyhow my story starts here, yesterday and in the morning hours and on a page created for Palestinian journalists only Journalist Hamadah Ahmad from Gaza posted a photo of a little girl held by her father, the photo created a big fuss on the group since some of the journalist protested the bloody photos and stated such photos not to be posted since it may bother some of the –Not used to see blood journalists- And here where I saw the photo:

328 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:31:55am

re: #326 Freeze Peach

It actually did ;)

Well, the truce is taking hold now so all the war mongers can put away their toy guns. ;)

329 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:32:20am

re: #327 Freeze Peach

Here Diana Alzeer points to her source:

[Link: manara1ram.blog.com...]

Arrest them!

//

330 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:32:40am

Interesting to note that even in the retraction by one of the ppl who spread that tweet, they referred to the child as having been killed in Gaza - suggesting Israel was behind it, rather than dying in an accidental fall from a swing as was actually the case (see bottom of that article).

331 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:35:23am

re: #330 lawhawk

It's all very weird. It's not like Israel doesn't acknowledge that there are civilian deaths. But I guess bloody pictures make people go rabble rabble in ways that simple statement of fact doesn't.

332 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:35:53am

re: #330 lawhawk

Avi Meyer's link on the retraction leads to [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

333 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:36:42am

re: #332 Freeze Peach

Avi Meyer's link on the retraction leads to [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Ugh. Let me read the comments dropped there.

334 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:37:34am

No comment. I need to throw up now.

335 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:38:18am

re: #333 Gus
Nice one:

massachusetts republican
Thu, Aug 10, 2006 10:14:18am replyquote
0
down
up
favorite
report
an HONOR killing...was she abused and ready to tell? paleos are sick $%^%s...

336 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:38:58am

re: #335 Freeze Peach

Yeah, I saw that. There's a special irony to reacting to a revelation of bias distorting the narrative by immediately letting your bias distort the narrative.

337 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:39:34am

re: #335 Freeze Peach

A recurring theme too:

13 Spiritualized
Thu, Aug 10, 2006 10:20:57am replyquote
0
down
up
favorite
report
AP: All lies all the time, any questions?

Probably an honour killing. 5 years old? That's almost legal marriage age under Islam.

338 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:40:43am

re: #335 Freeze Peach

Nice one:

"This user is blocked."

Interesting to note how anti-propaganda reporting can lead to the creation of dripping lunacy and itself an originator of further propaganda. That's what I find distasteful about these endeavors most of the time. IOW, it's raw meat for the hate-squads.

339 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:41:02am

re: #337 Freeze Peach

And:

may ALL the children of these animals fall from swings in a similar manner.

How can someone saying that think that they're on the side of the angels? How does that self-delusion work?

340 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:41:52am

re: #334 Gus

No comment. I need to throw up now.

You're a braver soul than I. I don't think I could wade into such a cesspool willingly. Not unless I had the explicit intention of breaking some skulls.

341 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:43:30am

re: #339 Obdicut

And:

How can someone saying that think that they're on the side of the angels? How does that self-delusion work?

It's pretty simple, really. God is totally cool with mass murder of His enemies. Which, since these people are obviously speaking for God, means that anyone they don't like is fair game.

342 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:44:10am

re: #331 Obdicut

Not weird at all. Throughout the Arab-Israeli conflict, and more specifically the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, the death of children specifically are highlighted and Israel is blamed, regardless of circumstances.

Israel has and will be blamed for deaths even if accidental in nature - as when Palestinians claim that medical aid was denied or crossing into Israel for hospital care was delayed (such was the case when Israel more tightly sealed Gaza following the disengagement).

Death of children get people riled up.

But in this particular conflict, Israel's enemies choose to fight by putting those children into harm's way - maximizing the potential for civilian casualties and maximizing the potential for photo opportunities.

We see that in conflicts the world over and more specifically in the current violence in Syria - death of children in Syria are a sign of Assad's particular barbarism. It's a manifest sign of targeting civilians.

Israel has indisputably killed civilians, but events have borne out that the Israelis have done a better job of limiting civilian casualties than other military forces around the world - and clearly better than other Arab regimes, where some will go out of their way to target civilians. Not that Israel's restraint matters to the Palestinian leadership; they see the deaths as a propaganda tool to encourage others to take up arms against Israel and indoctrinate another generation to hate.

343 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:47:29am

re: #338 Gus

"This user is blocked."

Interesting to note how anti-propaganda reporting can lead to the creation of dripping lunacy and itself an originator of further propaganda. That's what I find distasteful about these endeavors most of the time. IOW, it's raw meat for the hate-squads.

It doesn't have to be. I think Harry's Place does a decent job of it and I wish more liberal blogs focused on fact checking news stories. Media bias and laziness, especially on Israel/Middle East stories, is a serious problem. I thought it was an interesting case yesterday when I linked to an article with a headline declaring the NYT surveillance to be legal. After I linked they changed the headline to make it a question if it was legal. They opted to change the focus from sorting out the facts to just reporting that there are competing claims. It's lazy reporting.

344 SpaceJesus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:48:07am

Romney's 9 delegate win in Samoa decided by 70 people in a bar

[Link: www.politico.com...]

345 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:49:44am

re: #344 SpaceJesus

What do you think the caucus system is? It's a bunch of folks getting together in a bar or restaurant or other public location and they shoot the breeze and decide they're going to support X candidate or Y (though in both instances, the candidates are supporting the candidate who most restricts those who are xx).

346 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:50:26am

re: #343 Killgore Trout

They opted to change the focus from sorting out the facts to just reporting that there are competing claims. It's lazy reporting.

BTW, did they change only headline, or did they also change anything in the text?

347 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:50:50am

re: #343 Killgore Trout

That's a really odd spin to put on the story. They correctly re-titled the headlined to show there are serious questions about the policy's legality. You're saying they should have concluded it was legal why?

348 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:51:54am

re: #347 Obdicut

Yeah, maybe they actually factchecked and corrected themselves? I don't know since I didn't really dig into this at all.

349 iossarian  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:52:07am

re: #347 Obdicut

That's a really odd spin to put on the story. They correctly re-titled the headlined to show there are serious questions about the policy's legality. You're saying they should have concluded it was legal why?

Without knowing anything about the linked report in question I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the change made the article appear slightly less right wing.

350 SpaceJesus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:52:27am

re: #345 lawhawk

it never ceases to make me laugh?

351 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:53:13am

re: #346 Freeze Peach

BTW, did they change only headline, or did they also change anything in the text?

From what I saw, the text remained the same-- the original story highlighted the serious doubts as to the legality of the program.

The paragraph, part of the "Handschu guidelines," sets conditions for NYPD officers who visit public places or events during anti-terrorism investigations. It prohibits them from keeping records of their observations unless the information is related to "potential unlawful activity" - a ban that critics say the NYPD has ignored.

352 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:53:24am

New species of frog discovered in.... New York City. Tough frogs.

353 iossarian  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:53:25am

Fact-checking, n: something that people accusing left-wing demonstrators of raping and stabbing are not required to do.

354 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:55:20am

re: #346 Freeze Peach

BTW, did they change only headline, or did they also change anything in the text?

I'm not sure but I don't think so. The portion I quoted stayed the same. The report did discuss the competing claims but they softened the headline to question the legality. It really doesn't take much research to figure out the legality of it. I'm sure there are serious issues to be discussed about it but most of the reporting on the story was just reporting on the outrageous outrage.

355 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:56:21am

re: #352 lawhawk

New species of frog discovered in... New York City. Tough frogs.

Wow. impressive.

356 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:57:38am

re: #354 Killgore Trout

It really doesn't take much research to figure out the legality of it.

How so, given that they're not allowed to keep records of things not related to potential unlawful activity?

357 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:58:09am

re: #353 iossarian

Fact-checking, n: something that people accusing left-wing demonstrators of raping and stabbing are not required to do.

Since you mentioned it....

New Haven police arrest suspect in Occupy camp sex assault

Officers arrested England Gamble of Orange Street in New Haven Wednesday for an alleged sexual assault late Monday or early Tuesday at the Occupy New Haven encampment on the Green.

Gamble was charged with first-degree sexual assault and first-degree unlawful restrain

Perhaps you can point out the factual errors in that story.

358 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:00:02am

re: #334 Gus

No comment. I need to throw up now.

Oh! Oh! Note our old friend in #67. Seems like he didn't have anything to say about those comments.

359 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:00:39am

re: #357 Killgore Trout

Great fact-checking, Killgore!

[Link: www.courant.com...]


Gamble is not part of the Occupy movement, police said.

360 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:01:14am

re: #351 Obdicut

I'll have to search around a bit, but I used to have a link handy for tracking changes in news stories to compare what was changed between versions. Not sure if it was just for the BBC or all news sites (I'm thinking it was just the BBC).

361 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:01:40am

I love being lectured about fact-checking by someone who can't bother to do five seconds of research.

362 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:01:53am

BEHAVE YOURSELVES!

363 darthstar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:02:17am

Mornin' everyone...spent a few days in the dark when my antivirus popped up with a warning that I had a worm, and half way through disinfecting it shut down and wouldn't reboot. So I got to reimage my hard drive, losing two years worth of work...some of it's on the corporate backup. Anyhoo...did anything happen when I was away? I heard Mitt Romney is going to get rid of his Planned Presidency.

364 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:02:22am

re: #360 lawhawk

I just used google cache: Killgore is absolutely right that the headline was changed. It changed from declaring the policy legal-- which the body of the story did not support-- to correctly saying there are questions about the legality of the policy.

365 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:03:04am

re: #362 Freeze Peach

I'm just sitting here trying to think of a peace plan for the Middle East!

//

366 darthstar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:04:25am

re: #359 Obdicut

Great fact-checking, Killgore!

[Link: www.courant.com...]

Gamble is not part of the Occupy movement, police said.

Rapey-stabby goodness!

367 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:04:52am

re: #359 Obdicut

Great fact-checking, Killgore!

[Link: www.courant.com...]

Gamble is not part of the Occupy movement, police said.

I never claimed that he was.

368 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:05:15am

re: #359 Obdicut

Great fact-checking, Killgore!

[Link: www.courant.com...]

Gamble is not part of the Occupy movement, police said.

And now it's all on.

*grabs the popcorn*

369 darthstar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:05:22am

re: #365 Gus

I'm just sitting here trying to think of a peace plan for the Middle East!

//

Sip on one of these while you're at it.

370 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:06:15am

re: #367 Killgore Trout

I never claimed that he was.

So, when you responded to

Fact-checking, n: something that people accusing left-wing demonstrators of raping and stabbing are not required to do.

With that story, you weren't trying to provide a story about a left-wing demonstrator raping?

Why did you cite the story, exactly?

371 iossarian  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:06:52am

re: #367 Killgore Trout

I never claimed that he was.

Pathetic.

372 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:07:23am

re: #364 Obdicut

I just used google cache: Killgore is absolutely right that the headline was changed. It changed from declaring the policy legal-- which the body of the story did not support-- to correctly saying there are questions about the legality of the policy.

The article points out that despite complaints it's very unlikely that opponents are going to win a legal victory to reverse the policy. It's probably not going to happen despite complaints which have fairly weak legal standing.

373 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:09:07am

re: #372 Killgore Trout

The article points out that despite complaints it's very unlikely that opponents are going to win a legal victory to reverse the policy

Nope. It notes that the civil rights aspect-- about singling out an ethnicity-- is unlikely to win. It doesn't make any assessment about the likelihood of a legal challenge based on the Handschu guidelines, which you keep ignoring when I bring them up.

Maybe you missed the paragraph?

Legal experts say any court challenge based on claims of racial or religious profiling would face high hurdles. Instead, they say, any successful case would likely come down to a single paragraph in a longstanding court order that governs the department's surveillance of political activity.

374 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:09:11am

In which I consider the one-state solution.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Combining the states of North and South Dakota to create the state of Dakota.

//

375 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:10:08am

re: #374 Gus

In which I consider the one-state solution.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Combining the states of North and South Dakota to create the state of Dakota.

//

Minnesota would never stand for it. We'd have to have our own aircraft carrier to combat the combined fighting power of the Dakotas. But, hey, at least we have a lake we can float our aircraft carrier on!/

376 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:10:12am

re: #374 Gus

What about North and West Takomas?

377 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:10:18am

re: #370 Obdicut

So, when you responded to

With that story, you weren't trying to provide a story about a left-wing demonstrator raping?

Why did you cite the story, exactly?

Because the camps have had a history safety and security issues. Some from protesters, some from homeless hangers on, some from outside predators. These camps were a very bad idea from a public safety standpoint and is a big part of the reason that most cities have already closed the camps. They are a safety problem and a drain on local resources.

378 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:11:42am

*sigh*

379 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:12:39am

re: #377 Killgore Trout

Heh. So your reply really had nothing to do with the post you were replying to. In, fact, you posted a story showing the reverse-- someone from Occupy being raped, not someone from Occupy being a rapist.

How does that make any sense to you?

380 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:13:17am

Goldman Sachs director in London quits 'toxic' bank
A manager at US banking giant Goldman Sachs in London has quit, saying he could no longer work there "in good conscience".

381 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:13:59am

re: #380 Gus

Did he use his golden parchute for the jump?

382 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:14:19am

Seems like Occupy Afghanistan has the most casualties.

383 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:14:54am

re: #381 Freeze Peach

Did he use his golden parchute for the jump?

Don't know.

384 iossarian  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:15:03am

re: #382 Gus

Seems like Occupy Afghanistan has the most casualties.

Bit of a drain on public resources as well.

385 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:15:47am

re: #379 Obdicut

Heh. So your reply really had nothing to do with the post you were replying to. In, fact, you posted a story showing the reverse-- someone from Occupy being raped, not someone from Occupy being a rapist.

How does that make any sense to you?

Behave yourself! Stop twisting words!

/

386 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:16:15am

re: #384 iossarian

Bit of a drain on public resources as well.

Over 500 billion and counting.

And that's just direct costs.

387 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:16:20am

I gotta be productive.

Have a great day all!

388 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:16:27am

re: #297 erik_t

They'll vote for nobody, which is the problem. Driving turnout among likely-supporter/non-likely-voters is every bit as important as gathering support from likely-voter/non-likely-supporters.

Romney has given every indication so far that he cannot make people excited, interested or motivated, and a shocking number of states come into play with even 5% or 10% turnout differences on one side of the aisle.

Romney also needs to run far enough right to hold off a right-wing based "third party" run by some disgruntled conservative. Or at least delay it starting and making any headway as long as possible. Because once it starts there's 5-10% of the GOP votes disappearing down the drain right there. Along with campaign contributions as well.

389 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:19:45am

re: #380 Gus

His op-ed in the NYT was his letter of resignation.

I hope this can be a wake-up call to the board of directors. Make the client the focal point of your business again. Without clients you will not make money. In fact, you will not exist. Weed out the morally bankrupt people, no matter how much money they make for the firm. And get the culture right again, so people want to work here for the right reasons. People who care only about making money will not sustain this firm — or the trust of its clients — for very much longer.

That's a culture that was spurred on by the likes of Jon Corzine (whose next gig after being governor of NJ was to destroy MF Global).

390 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:21:33am

Found on Facebook, in the category of Things Found on Biology Professors' Doors:

Why God never received a PhD

391 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:22:22am

re: #389 lawhawk

It's a weird, weird culture over there. There's a lot of knowledge, it seems, of finance without much knowledge of economics. I was at a party with a number of Goldmann-Sachs people the other day and, in conversation with one of them, he insisted that an increase in wealth disparity was a good thing, that it promoted 'efficiency'. It turned out that what he meant was that what he meant was that it made it easier for banks to operate when money is more concentrated in fewer hands, and that was his standard for efficiency.

Obviously, this is an anecdote, but he was a smart man, not a bad person, and I think he's just surrounded in a very high-pressure culture.

392 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:22:28am
393 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:24:24am

re: #247 The Ghost of a Flea

Let's not lose sight of the fact that current Eurozone policy is set by better-off countries and being imposed upon weaker ones. The "austerity" is being rather unevenly applied, and in the case of Greece punitive to degree that not long ago there were discussions about whether the intent was to force the country out of the EU.

Also, let's not overlook what kind of policy put which countries in the hole financially...Italy, Spain, and Greece all went on a laissez-faire binge.

Basically, in the case of Greece, they snuck into the Eurozone under false auspices (with a little help fromn Goldman-Sachs) and now have to try aned set it right.

394 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:26:09am

re: #392 Gus

North Carolina Same-Sex Marriage, Amendment 1 (May 2012)

The North Carolina Same-Sex Marriage Amendment will appear on the May 8, 2012 ballot in the state of North Carolina as a legislatively-referred constitutional amendment.

The measure would define marriage in the state as between one man and one woman.

395 iossarian  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:26:09am

re: #391 Obdicut

My personal experience with Goldman Sachs/Bain/McKinsey type people has been that they often have a rather narrow view of the world. As long as they're considering a limited system, they can follow very complex reasoning. But in general they lack perspective on how that system may not map onto reality in various ways.

Typical quote: "Unions served a purpose in the 20s but they're not really useful any more."

396 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:26:53am
397 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:28:21am

Goldman Sachs has attained butthurt -- level: massive.

Seems as though someone has interfered with their doing "God's work" from within the inner circle.

//

398 jaunte  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:30:06am

re: #352 lawhawk

New species of frog discovered in... New York City. Tough frogs.

"Its known range is limited, more or less, to commuting distance from Midtown Manhattan"

Well, of course.

399 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:31:15am

re: #391 Obdicut

Absolutely and without a doubt they've got a bunch of whiz kids and people with incredible amounts of knowledge about finance. But common sense and practicality seem to have been abandoned. I think part of it stems from corporate culture, and part from the MBA education - focusing on the transaction without taking into account the economics and other considerations. Distilled to its essence, it's about the profit to Goldman Sachs - as the Smith op-ed notes - and not the client's best interests.

Many of those at the company have been tagged for positions elsewhere (Corzine, Paulson, etc.) with mixed results. And not for nothing, part of the credit crisis was resultant from CDOs - an instrument that Sachs touted during Paulson's tenure.

400 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:32:28am

re: #390 wrenchwench

Found on Facebook, in the category of Things Found on Biology Professors' Doors:

Why God never received a PhD

I wonder who wrote that. From 2 I would guess someone from Jewish background, but then 15 would have another count.

401 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:32:43am

Goldman Sachs is trending.

402 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:33:15am
404 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:36:17am

re: #400 Freeze Peach

I wonder who wrote that. From 2 I would guess someone from Jewish background, but then 15 would have another count.

Probably some ignorant atheist.

14 is my favorite.

405 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:36:56am

The Real Problem At Goldman Sachs? You, The Muppet Client

Goldman Sachs, it turns out, is still evil.

What did you expect from the folks who gave you Abacus?

Don’t believe it? Check out this confession from the vampire squid’s own executive, Greg Smith, who aired out the firm’s dirty laundry in a New York Times op-ed piece today.

Smith is quitting because after 12 years at the firm (which he joined right out of college) “the environment now is as toxic and destructive as I have ever seen it.”

406 jaunte  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:37:19am

Why I am leaving the Empire, by Darth Vader

The Empire is one of the galaxy's largest and most important oppressive regimes and it is too integral to galactic murder to continue to act this way. The firm has veered so far from the place I joined right out of Yoda College that I can no longer in good conscience point menacingly and say that I identify with what it stands for.

407 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:38:57am

re: #406 jaunte

Have you been reading my memoirs again. /darth

408 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:41:25am

re: #398 jaunte

"Its known range is limited, more or less, to commuting distance from Midtown Manhattan"

Well, of course.

And that distinctive J E T S Jets Jets Jets croak.
/

409 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:43:59am

re: #404 wrenchwench

Probably some ignorant atheist.

14 is my favorite.

Earliest sighting on the internets. 1995.

Signed by anonymous and posted at this guy's site.

410 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:45:35am
For years, Lopes and five other New Jersey construction workers would throw in $2 each to buy three tickets for the Mega Millions lottery.
But when one of the tickets hit the $77 million jackpot in 2009, Lopes, who would regularly buy the tickets, hid the news from his buddies, his former pals claimed in a lawsuit.
A Union County, NJ jury today decided in favor of the five co-workers — who will get $4 million each, after taxes.
“I’m just happy that the truth came out,” said one of the pool members, Carlos Fernandes of Elizabeth.
Lopes’ attorney, Michael Mezzacca, brought in 1,090 of his client’s previous bets to prove the winning ticket followed the pattern of his personal bet and was not a part of the pool.
But the plaintiffs saw the records as an opportunity to show Lopes followed tradition when he paid $12 for 12 lines of tickets — just as the group had done weekly for at least three years. Of all the personal tickets, not one was worth $12, attorneys said.

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

411 Flounder  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:45:45am

re: #404 wrenchwench

It was all Eve's fault.

412 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:46:22am

re: #408 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Well, it is apparently rare among the frog species in these parts - so it's probably a Nets fan. /

413 erik_t  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:46:46am

Louisiana State University walk-on kicker doesn't quite make the grade, cut from football team.

Her (yep) tackling is apparently not yet up to snuff. Will work on that and try again in the fall.

414 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:47:02am

Earlier one from 1994.

[Link: www.aaaugh.com...]

415 darthstar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:48:13am

re: #414 Gus

Earlier one from 1994.

[Link: www.aaaugh.com...]

I've got it on stone tablets.

416 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:48:30am

re: #389 lawhawk

Oh, and the cartoon caption associated with the Smith resignation from Sachs is epic - showing a bunch of vultures dining on a carcass and one flying off...

417 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:49:11am

re: #415 darthstar

Hey, weren't there 15 commandments before?

Youtube Video
418 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:49:15am

re: #415 darthstar

I've got it on stone tablets.

Earlier version here!

Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 10:20:34 -0400
From: bostic@CS.Berkeley.EDU (Keith Bostic)
Subject: Why God didn't get tenure...
To: /dev/null@python.bostic.com

Forwarded-by: elan@ee.lbl.gov (Elan Amir)
Forwarded-by: mwwhite@econ.Berkeley.EDU (Matthew W. White)
Forwarded-by: "Alan Lamont"
Forwarded-by: Peggy Takahashi
From: "Bruce A. Heiman"
Subject: Some academic careers just never take off...

Why God never received tenure at any university:

1. He had only one major publication.
2. It was in Hebrew.
3. It had no references.
4. It wasn't published in a refereed journal.
5. Some even doubt he wrote it himself.
6. It may be true that he created the world, but what has he
done since then?
7. His cooperative efforts have been quite limited.
8. The scientific community has had a hard time replicating his results.
9. He never applied to the Ethics Board for permission to use human
subjects.
10. When one experiment went awry he tried to cover it up by drowning
the subjects.
11. When subjects didn't behave as predicted, he deleted them from the
sample.
12. He rarely came to class, just told students to read the Book.
13. Some say he had his son teach the class.
14. He expelled his first two students for learning.
15. Although there were only ten requirements, most students failed
his tests.
16. His office hours were infrequent and usually held on a mountaintop.

[This appeared 2 years ago in Yucks V2.56, but with only 8 points.
I guess we'll see it again in another 2 years with more? --spaf]

419 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:49:15am

re: #409 Gus

Earliest sighting on the internets. 1995.

Signed by anonymous and posted at this guy's site.

Wow. Internet archeology.

That thing was on the internet before I ever was.

420 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:50:36am

re: #411 Tommy's cone of shame

It was all Eve's fault.

Don't start.

421 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:51:04am

re: #419 wrenchwench

Wow. Internet archeology.

Going deeper! 1992:

From: ronnyk@cs.stanford.edu (Ronny Kohavi)
Subject: Getting tenure
Newsgroups: rec.humor.funny

I got this from Alon Efrat at the Technion, Isarel.

Why God Never Received Tenure at the University
-----------------------------------------------
1. Because He had only one major publication.
2. And it was in Hebrew.
3. And it had no references.
4. And it wasn't published in a refereed journal.
5. And some even doubt He wrote it himself.
6. It may be true that He created the world but what has He published/done
since ?
7. His cooperative efforts have been quite limited.
8. The scientific community has had a very rough time trying to repeat
His results.

422 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:51:07am

re: #418 Gus

[Link: groups.google.com...]

423 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:51:36am

re: #422 Freeze Peach

[Link: groups.google.com...]

Beat ya' by 3 seconds! ;)

424 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:51:39am

re: #421 Gus

Heh.

425 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:52:36am

re: #421 Gus

Further proof - as if any of us here needed it - that what is said on the Internet can never be unsaid.

426 Flounder  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:52:50am

March 14th is Pi day
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
Let the festivities begin.
Who's turn is it to bring CCA home?

427 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:53:05am

re: #424 Freeze Peach

Heh.

[Link: www.cs.arizona.edu...]

428 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:53:17am

re: #425 thedopefishlives

Actually, lots of things are lost and can't be recovered. But a lot can be.

429 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:54:30am

OK, so Alon Efrat probably originated it, but the 10 commandments stuff was added later.

430 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:57:10am

re: #429 Freeze Peach

OK, so Alon Efrat probably originated it, but the 10 commandments stuff was added later.

It's grown as #418 indicates. It's not the original version! Now the question is, does Darthstar have the original 8 point version in stone tablet form?

431 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:58:57am

re: #430 Gus

Even God and Moses themselves were confused as to what version was on their tablets. Don't ask too much of normal humans!

432 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:59:02am

re: #417 lawhawk

Hey, weren't there 15 commandments before?

[Embedded content]

So Moses comes down from the mountain and says, "Ive got good news and bad news: Good news is that I talked Him down to ten, the bad news is that the bit with adultery is still in there!"

433 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:59:30am

But my question got answered anyway ;)

434 jaunte  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:01:12am

Limbaugh Asks: "How Can I Be Anti-Woman? I Even Judged The Miss America Pageant"

435 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:01:15am

And here's some more evolution, which now includes the 10 commandments:

[Link: groups.google.com...]

436 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:02:52am

re: #434 jaunte

Limbaugh Asks: "How Can I Be Anti-Woman? I Even Judged The Miss America Pageant"

Enjoying women and being pro-woman are two entirely different things. But I doubt you could ever explain that to this blowhard.

437 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:03:11am

re: #435 Freeze Peach

This guy:

[Link: www.library.sfsu.edu...]

[Link: groups.google.com...]

Altho here he forwards someone else (maybe himself).

438 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:05:24am

re: #434 jaunte

Limbaugh Asks: "How Can I Be Anti-Woman? I Even Judged The Miss America Pageant"

Poor Rush isn't anti black either, he loves football!

439 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:05:58am

re: #438 HappyWarrior

Poor Rush isn't anti black either, he loves football!

Some of his best friends are black female football players...

440 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:06:19am

re: #390 wrenchwench

Found on Facebook, in the category of Things Found on Biology Professors' Doors:

Why God never received a PhD

I posted a similar version of that ("ten reasons why God couldn't get tenure in American universities") in my office around 1990 or so. A few days after I posted it, I came to work one morning and found irrefutable evidence that someone had taken it down, copied it, and reposted it.

(This note is for the benefit of historians trying to chase down the first sighting of the list.)

441 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:07:15am

re: #434 jaunte

Limbaugh Asks: "How Can I Be Anti-Woman? I Even Judged The Miss America Pageant"

Reminds me of a schoolteacher friend who had a parent come to her and ask, "How can my son be doing bad at math? He's the best Nintendo player on the block!"

442 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:07:51am

re: #439 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Some of his best friends are black female football players...

He even lets them use his bathroom!!
//

443 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:09:55am

How can I be anti woman, I married four of them!

444 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:10:52am

Panetta Safe After Stolen Vehicle Ignites at Afghan Airbase - vehicle was apparently driven into ditch near runway where Panetta's aircraft was supposed to land.

The Pentagon says an Afghan drove an apparently stolen vehicle onto the ramp area of a British airfield in southern Afghanistan and into a ditch, where it exploded in flames, about the same time U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta's aircraft was landing.

A Pentagon spokesman, Navy Capt. John Kirby, said no one in Panetta's party was injured.

Kirby said the vehicle, a pickup truck, drove at high speed onto the ramp where Panetta's plane was intended to stop. He said there was no immediate indication that the Afghan was attempting to attack Panetta's party, but the circumstances were still being pieced together.

445 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:11:22am

re: #435 Freeze Peach

And here's some more evolution, which now includes the 10 commandments:

[Link: groups.google.com...]

I found the original stone tablet!

//

446 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:14:40am

re: #445 Gus

Those are some nice fossils there! I guess I know where this stuff originated now! /

447 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:15:03am

re: #446 Freeze Peach

Those are some nice fossils there! I guess I know where this stuff originated now! /

The Debil!

448 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:43:09am

re: #412 lawhawk

Well, it is apparently rare among the frog species in these parts - so it's probably a Nets fan. /

The short mating croak may also be due to excessive playing of Frogger on the NJ Turnpike.

449 Flavia  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:27:28pm

re: #34 Lidane

Pfft. No one cares if men have sex. They're just being men, "sowing their oats" as it were. It's only when women have sex that there's a problem. =P

So, if this is their problem, why are they against homosexuality as well?

Yes, in case ANYONE missed it, that was SARCASM!


This article has been archived.
Comments are closed.

Jump to top

Create a PageThis is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.
Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
Last updated: 2023-04-04 11:11 am PDT LGF User's Guide RSS Feeds

Help support Little Green Footballs!

Subscribe now for ad-free access!Register and sign in to a free LGF account before subscribing, and your ad-free access will be automatically enabled.

Donate with
PayPal Cash.app
Recent PagesClick to refresh
The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ...
Cheechako
3 days ago
Views: 120 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ...
Cheechako
2 weeks ago
Views: 280 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1