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Husband of CNN Contributor Dana Loesch Calls CNN Host Soledad O’Brien ‘Anti-Semitic’

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Here’s something you don’t see every day: the husband of a CNN contributor (Chris Loesch, Dana Loesch’s spouse) calling the host of a CNN show (Soledad O’Brien) “anti-Semitic.”

Dana Loesch is also an “editor” at breitbart.com, although I’m not sure what kind of editing she actually does; the site is full of typos, bad grammar, and factual problems, rarely if ever corrected. Chris Loesch is lashing out on his wife’s behalf because Soledad O’Brien embarrassed the Breitbrats by mocking their absurd “Huggate” non-story.

As a result, the full might of breitbart.com has been unleashed against Soledad O’Brien; they’ve published more than a dozen hit pieces on her since Joel Pollak’s disastrous interview. Tremble before their wrath.

This isn’t an unusual level of vitriol for the Loeschs, though; when I criticized Dana Loesch for comparing mandatory transvaginal ultrasound procedures to having sex, she responded by calling me a child molester.

(h/t: Adam.)

UPDATE at 3/14/12 6:08:01 pm

When Eric Boehlert of Media Matters retweeted this post, this is how Dana Loesch reacted:

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676 comments

1 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:23:58pm

Is this because Pollak is Jewish? I'm not getting what the accusation is even based on.

2 freetoken  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:24:42pm

re: #1 Obdicut

Is this because Pollak is Jewish? I'm not getting what the accusation is even based on.

It's based on Soledad being at CNN, and CNN is evil.

Isn't that enough?

3 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:25:06pm

Probably.

Which is absurd on the face of it.

4 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:25:11pm

re: #1 Obdicut

Is this because Pollak is Jewish? I'm not getting what the accusation is even based on.

It's because antisemitic that's why.

5 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:25:11pm

What did she say that was allegedly anti-Jewish?

6 Big Joe  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:28:30pm

Calling a conservative a racist is like Hitler's ovens!

7 bubba zanetti  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:32:32pm

antisemetic = pro-alien overlords

8 bubba zanetti  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:34:55pm

(Bell's short sci-fi story, for those that lack the nanometer resolution to read between wingnut lines)

9 Kragar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:36:56pm

First, we don't see the evil in a hug, then we don't see the anti-semitism in the [unintelligible murmur]. WHATS WRONG WITH US?
/

10 freetoken  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:37:42pm

That wellspring of news derp, NewsBusters, springs to action:

Soledad's Prism: O'Brien Called Jeremiah Wright's Oddball April 2008 NAACP Speech a 'Home Run'

In her syndicated column today (at NewsBusters; at her home blog), Michelle Malkin runs down how CNN news anchor Soledad O'Brien has an affinity for the work of the late Harvard Professor Derrick Bell, particularly his "critical race theory" (CRT) that she has to this point not disclosed to her CNN viewers.

[...]

We should not at all be surprised that O'Brien is Derrick Bell's BFF, or that she continues to obfuscate, conceal, and falsely present the inherent racism in Bell's CRT and Wright's preaching both at TUCC and since his departure. We should also not be surprised that her obvious lack of objectivity does not seem to trouble CNN in the least.

Apparently it's the evil Bell which has doomed O'Brien.

Can I have my brain back now?

11 jamesfirecat  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:39:12pm

So because he's that makes her anti-semitic? Isn't this THE EXACT SAME thought pattern these complain about leftists (in their heads) having in regards to Obama and how they imagine we call anyone who disagrees with him a racist?

12 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:39:27pm

Just look at his profile pic -- the tell tale sign of a Breitbot-Twidiot. Of course we already knew that this guy was missing more than a few brain cells.

13 freetoken  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:39:51pm

I suspect this whole movement in wingnuttia is an attempt to get Jeremiah Wright back on the radar, in order to keep stoking the flames.

Bell was totally forgotten by 99%+ of the American public before this whole thing blew up. However, Jeremiah Wright was quickly remembered by the entire right-o-sphere.

14 The Yankee  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:40:23pm

I wonder what the independent votes think of this. I mean there is really no meat in these hamburgers the right is trying to serve us. No meat at all.

15 Kragar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:42:41pm

Santorum Doesn't Seem to Mind Offending Puerto Rico

You'd think Santorum would want to butter up Puerto Ricans a bit more deftly, given the fact that Mitt Romney's victories in American Samoa and Hawaii last night actually won him more delegates than Santorum grabbed with his Alabama and Mississippi wins. Yet according to Reuters, Santorum told El Vocero, a local newspaper, "Like any other state, there has to be compliance with this and any other federal law ... And that is that English has to be the principal language. There are other states with more than one language such as Hawaii but to be a state of the United States, English has to be the principal language."

As Reuters helpfully points out, there actually isn't a federal law mandating English as the national language, though some states have chosen to pass one themselves. Putting aside the fact that Santorum made a mistake, he also seems rather unstrategic in a territory in which both English and Spanish are listed as official languages and where people are pretty attached to their Spanish-speaking heritage. Meanwhile, Romney, who's probably very aware the the territory has 20 delegates he can use for his growing lead, had a line we think Puerto Ricans will like a bit more, saying simply that he'd help them if they chose to pursue statehood. Santorum's "English as the national language" issue probably wasn't intended for Puerto Rican newspaper readers though, as it tends to play well among the more culturally conservative voters he's reaching for these days. It may have seemed like a gaffe, but maybe it was a strategic one -- or maybe he's already thinking ahead to the general election.

16 freetoken  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:45:12pm

re: #15 Kragar

Just another example of why Santorum won't become the nominee.

But, I guess we get to enjoy his time in the spotlight along with him, for the next 3 months or so.

17 Kragar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:46:46pm

The problem with pandering to the white isolationist victimhood base is that it limits your traction with other voting blocks, and I blame Obama and Soros for that.

18 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:47:39pm

re: #1 Obdicut

Is this because Pollak is Jewish? I'm not getting what the accusation is even based on.

Pollak inferred he was being called a racist by a panel member, CRT has a problem explaining successful minorities and Jews are a successful minority, therefore Bell, as the originator of CRT, is anti-semetic and through the ever-so-useful guilt by association, and because O'Brien is a fan of Bell, she's an anti-semite who used reverse-racism to call Pollak a racist.

I think I've got it all.

19 freetoken  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:49:33pm

re: #18 My Name is Muerte!

You probably did well with those word problems in algebra too.

20 Big Joe  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:50:08pm

re: #18 My Name is Muerte!

That reminds me, I've got to rent Undercover Blues again.

21 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:50:22pm

re: #18 My Name is Muerte!

Pollak inferred he was being called a racist by a panel member, CRT has a problem explaining successful minorities and Jews are a successful minority, therefore Bell, as the originator of CRT, is anti-semetic and through the ever-so-useful guilt by association, and because O'Brien is a fan of Bell, she's an anti-semite who used reverse-racism to call Pollak a racist.

I think I've got it all.

I thought Death ALWAYS SPOKE IN CAPITAL LETTERS?

22 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:50:29pm

re: #19 freetoken

You probably did well with those word problems in algebra too.

I think I broke my brain.

23 Kragar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:50:41pm

re: #20 Ghost of Tom Joad

That reminds me, I've got to rent Undercover Blues again.

Sure thing Morty.

24 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:52:27pm

re: #23 Kragar

Sure thing Morty.

I keel you!

25 The Yankee  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:53:02pm

re: #15 Kragar

This delegate thing confuses the hell out of me. I guess it varies from place to place. But I heard that Ron Paul won one of the Virgin Islands by 3% of the vote but still didn't get a majority of the delegates. And now Santorum won 2 big states and Mitt still got more delegates then he did by winning a territory and the Obama Islands?

26 Kragar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:53:11pm

re: #24 My Name is Muerte!

I kill you!

Uh huh, right. Got that.

27 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:55:15pm

re: #25 The Yankee

This delegate thing confuses the hell out of me. I guess it varies from place to place. But I heard that Ron Paul won one of the Virgin Islands by 3% of the vote but still didn't get a majority of the delegates. And now Santorum won 2 big states and Mitt still got more delegates then he did by winning a territory and the Obama Islands?

American Samoa has 237 million textile workers not subject to minimum wage laws.

28 freetoken  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:55:15pm

re: #22 My Name is Muerte!

Thing is, one of the people stoking this faux outrage is Michelle Malkin (and thus less wingnuts are jumping on the bandwagon her train is pulling). I suspect Malking jumps on these things because she is well aware of how hot-button issues or race, origins, and nationality are.

From Malkin's piece today:

[...]

Turns out that O'Brien, a Harvard grad, has a rather emotional connection to Bell. As documented at my new Twitter curation/aggregation site Twitchy.com, O'Brien tweeted that it was a "rough day" for her when Bell passed away last fall. She wrote that she had "just started re-reading" one of his books and mourned again: "RIP Prof. Bell." O'Brien also shared tributes to Bell from fellow Harvard prof and friend of Obama Charles Ogletree. That's the same Professor Ogletree who bragged that he "hid" the Obama/Bell video during the 2008 campaign.

O'Brien failed to disclose her pro-Bell bias to viewers before her segments.

[...]

Well, when Malkin starts disclosing at the top of each of her articles that she is a religiously-whacked-wingnut and that colors all of her views in her columns, then, maybe then, Malkin might start calling out others for their "biases".

29 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:55:56pm

re: #26 Kragar

Uh huh, right. Got that.

The bottom line? The bottom line is you're gonna die man... Ugly, okay?

30 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:56:33pm

re: #15 Kragar

Santorum Doesn't Seem to Mind Offending Puerto Rico

ha ha ha ha ha

Nominee? Oh gawd.

31 Kragar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:57:25pm

re: #29 My Name is Muerte!

The bottom line? The bottom line is you're gonna die man... Ugly, okay?

Sorry, got plans. Can we meet up later?

32 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:58:00pm

Poor little Chrisy has his knickers in a twist?

33 The Yankee  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:58:31pm

re: #27 austin_blue

Are you sure about that number?

34 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:59:35pm

I'm trying to understand Pollak's attack on Bell. He says that Space Traders is an anti-semetic novel, but in Space Traders it is the Jewish community that mounts the primary opposition to the sale of American blacks to the aliens. In the novel they form protest rallies and vow to hide blacks in what they argue is a new Holocaust. Their movement is eventually crushed by what are presumably Anglo government officials.

Is Pollak saying that it's an attack on Jews to suggest that they would not sit idly by and watch their fellow citizens sold into slavery to an alien species, to be used for God knows what purpose? Is Pollak saying that it is somehow an insult to suggest that the majority of American Jews have a sense of honor and are guided a fully formed concept of social justice, that they have a self identity formed by the past, one that transcends simply blending in and not making waves? Is Pollak saying that Bell's suggestion that American Jews aren't cowards is somehow anti-semetic?

Since Pollak is himself Jewish, and grew up in Skokie, I'm trying to wrap my head around the mindset that could produce such a warped sense of perception. He seems to honestly think that the idea of his people refusing to stand by and passively watch an unfolding atrocity constitutes an attack on them. The absolute upside down world in which this brand of logic might make sense is one where spinelessness is a virtue and to call someone courageous is an insult.

35 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:00:26pm

Anti-Semitic? What is she blathering about. She called Pollak out for being a stupid moron and she would have done it if he was Christian, Muslim, Atheist, etc. Dana's just reaching yet again.

36 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:00:54pm

re: #33 The Yankee

Are you sure about that number?

Absolutely! I read it on the intrawebs.

37 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:02:17pm

re: #31 Kragar

Sorry, got plans. Can we meet up later?

I see I've run into another UBs fan.

I really got a kick out of the Muerte character, Tucci is a damn good actor.

38 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:03:18pm

Honestly what is with people like Loesch? She called you a child molester? Why are people like this getting jobs as journalists when they're as mature as 7th graders?

39 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:03:57pm

re: #34 goddamnedfrank

No, the argument - which is not Pollak's own but was made back in 1990s, in NYT's review of this short story, is that it ascribes an ulterior motive to "many Jews" who took part in protests.

NYT reviewer, and some others, including current Bell's enemies, think Bell was implying that the only reason some of the Jews protested the blacks' treatment was their self-interest.

The story itself doesn't say anything like that, of course, although it does leave the door ajar for such an interpretation.

40 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:04:13pm

re: #34 goddamnedfrank

I'm trying to understand Pollak's attack on Bell. He says that Space Traders is an anti-Semitic novel, but in Space Traders it is the Jewish community that mounts the primary opposition to the sale of American blacks to the aliens. In the novel they form protest rallies and vow to hide blacks in what they argue is a new Holocaust. Their movement is eventually crushed by what are presumably Anglo government officials.

Is Pollak saying that it's an attack on Jews to suggest that they would not sit idly by and watch their fellow citizens sold into slavery to an alien species, to be used for God knows what purpose? Is Pollak saying that it is somehow an insult to suggest that the majority of American Jews have a sense of honor and are guided a fully formed concept of social justice, that they have a self identity formed by the past, one that transcends simply blending in and not making waves? Is Pollak saying that Bell's suggestion that American Jews aren't cowards is somehow anti-Semitic?

Since Pollak is himself Jewish, and grew up in Skokie, I'm trying to wrap my head around the mindset that could produce such a warped sense of perception. He seems to honestly think that the idea of his people refusing to stand by and passively watch an unfolding atrocity constitutes an attack on them. The absolute upside down world in which this brand of logic might make sense is one where spinelessness is a virtue and to call someone courageous is an insult.

I'm one of the most uneducated person in these things, but I see it as:

Blacks=Mentioning Jews=Antisemitism regardless of the story. Full stop.

One of the cool things I read in Bell's book (posted here) was the injustice of painting all blacks as anti-Semitic based on the asshole few, but it really persists.

41 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:04:36pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Honestly what is with people like Loesch? She called you a child molester? Why are people like this getting jobs as journalists when they're as mature as 7th graders?

Somebody has to pander to the 'adults as mature as 7th graders' group.

42 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:05:11pm

re: #41 My Name is Muerte!

Somebody has to pander to the 'adults as mature as 7th graders' group.

Isn't that what Rush Limbaugh is here for?

43 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:05:56pm

re: #11 jamesfirecat

So because he's that makes her anti-semitic? Isn't this THE EXACT SAME thought pattern these complain about leftists (in their heads) having in regards to Obama and how they imagine we call anyone who disagrees with him a racist?

Derple Standard:

- Liberals* that mention that brown people exist and have had a raw deal are racists who deeply hate brown people. But they also hate white people and plan to enslave them.

Conservatives** that invoke ugly stereotypes of brown people to justify the aforementioned raw deal are bold realists who won't be silenced by politically correct censorship wolves.

- Liberals are automatically antisemites via long-reaching chains of affiliation to somebody who's said something antisemitic...or to somebody who's said something less than glowing about Israel, or hasn't given a tongue bath to the Likud, or has stated an indifference to hamantashen.

Conservatives can attend megachurches where pastors can talk at length about how the Jews killed Jesus, how God sent Hitler to prompt the Jews back to Israel, and invoke conspiracy theories about "international bankers" that control world finance and hate evangelical Protestants; Conservatives also possess perfect discernment of "acceptable" and "unacceptable" Jew-ness, and cannot be faulted for invoking antisemitic tropes versus The Wrong Type of Jew, such as George Soros.

- Liberal women are mutt-ugly, man-hating lesbian killjoys. And also whores that can't keep their legs shut. They're oversensitive about being referred to as whores and lesbians.

Conservative women are beautiful, pristine and possess crystal-pure morality. Their ethics and manners are perfect even when they lie, spew insults, and any bigoted statements they make are especially bold.

- Liberal homosexuals: the men are limp-wristed sexual vampires that dwell in Castle Silling-like enclaves. They crave ass indiscriminately--man, child, dog, it makes no difference. The few hours of the day they don't devote to sexual depravity are spent conspiring to corrupt married straight men. The women are difficult to differentiate from other Liberal women.

There are no Conservative homosexuals: just family men with wide stances who appreciate the chance to closely mentor slender Ganymede-like youths. Conservative lesbians are irrelevant, since the obligation to marry and have sex with men has nothing to do with so-called "preference."

*NB: In the Derple Standard Liberal and Conservative are as much tribal designations as indicators of a governmental philosophy. Indeed, many conservatives are Liberal to the Wingnut Assortment.

44 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:06:03pm

re: #34 goddamnedfrank

There are two bits there.

The first is that in Space Traders, the statement is made by Jews that they know they'll be next, and that's a reason they're helping. Given that this is the same sentiment as expressed in the "First they came for" poem that gets repeated endlessly, it's hard to see how that's supposed to be a bad thing, rather than a clear-sighted view of the necessity to band together.

The second is the CRT doesn't provide an obvious explanation for the success of some minorities vs others. First of all, the success of Jews is generally overstated-- the Jewish population has a median income of around 50, vs 42K for the average US household, which is hardly OMG territory-- and second other demographic explanations, like where Jews tend to live and that the Jewish population is older than the average tend to explain. Second of all, CRT doesn't discount the ability of a subgroup to achieve, it says that the white establishment is not going to cut them any breaks, which is true.

45 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:07:46pm

re: #34 goddamnedfrank

Is Pollak saying that it is somehow an insult to suggest that the majority of American Jews have a sense of honor and are guided a fully formed concept of social justice, that they have a self identity formed by the past, one that transcends simply blending in and not making waves?

Also another correction, Bell did not write that the majority of Jews took part in protests, only 35,000.

46 Kragar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:09:13pm

re: #37 My Name is Muerte!

I see I've run into another UBs fan.

I really got a kick out of the Muerte character, Tucci is a damn good actor.

It was a pretty fun movie overall.

47 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:10:28pm

I think Pollak and Loesch are trolling big time here.

48 freetoken  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:11:08pm

BTW, the latest hot-button anthropology paper I linked downstairs is part of a trend I'm trying to tie into what we see in the current discourse (if I might use that word - it's probably too refined) in American politics and the American media-driven conflicts over issues of race and origins.

As I've mentioned before, I am concerned that current and expected research in anthropology will find a home in a view of humanity that is essentially racist (in the cultural meaning of the term) and will lead to no good.

We as a species are rather poorly defined, it turns out. We are a hodgepodge, and it is now evident that populations within the broader Homo genus have interbred over the past hundreds of thousands of years.

Recently discovered that certain populations in Africa have archaic interbreeding, and that certain south east Asians likewise, and with the possible new discovery of a somewhat differentiated population of humans in Asia from about 11k years ago... well, this is starting to set the stage for what I would consider analogous to the old Sons of Noah theory of why "races" were different, which pops up today in certain creationist circles but was more widespread in the West before modernism.

What this recent blow-up about Bell et. al. show, as if the past 4 years of ODS wasn't enough, is that race is a kindler for heated political "discourse".

Given how Fox and allies have mainstreamed so much of paleo-conservatism, what's left is for the Steve Sailer/Peter Brimelow form of race-segregation. And these guys know too well how to pull out tricks from the anthropologist's locker.

Be ware. Be very aware. I suspect we've not seen all this bottom out yet.

49 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:11:10pm

re: #39 Freeze Peach

No, the argument - which is not Pollak's own but was made back in 1990s, in NYT's review of this short story, is that it ascribes an ulterior motive to "many Jews" who took part in protests.

NYT reviewer, and some others, including current Bell's enemies, think Bell was implying that the only reason some of the Jews protested the blacks' treatment was their self-interest.

The story itself doesn't say anything like that, of course, although it does leave the door ajar for such an interpretation.

Is the argument here that the Jewish motivation isn't pure altruism per se but an understanding of the lesson in Niemöller's First They Came?

Okay, even if that's true, this only means Bell characterized Jews as both courageous and smart. The kind of people who can read anti-semitism in that are going to read it in tea leaves and the flight of birds, simply because it's their knee jerk, go to accusation.

50 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:12:20pm

re: #46 Kragar

It was a pretty fun movie overall.

You notice I changed the subject before I ended up in the alligator enclosure sans boots and pants.

51 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:12:29pm

re: #37 My Name is Muerte!

I see I've run into another UBs fan.

I really got a kick out of the Muerte character, Tucci is a damn good actor.

Stanley Tucci? I met him in a restaurant. Fricking GEORGOUS. What an aura that guy has.

If he ever sees me again, he's toast, cause now I'm braver.

52 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:12:46pm

Yeah I am not seeing anything about Bell that leads me to believe he was Anti-Semitic and I am definitely not seeing Soledad O'Brien as being Anti-Semitic either.

53 Kragar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:13:12pm

re: #50 My Name is Muerte!

You notice I changed the subject before I ended up in the alligator enclosure sans boots and pants.

I already had you there mentally

54 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:14:04pm

re: #49 goddamnedfrank

I think the reviewers saw the problem with the explicitly unstated nature of this motive (I believe in such a case it would be an argument made openly, since there's nothing wrong with it).

BTW, I just found that Bell actually wrote something in defense against accusations of antisemitism in ST. Wait a sec, I'll see if I can retrieve it.

55 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:17:17pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

I think Pollak and Loesch are trolling big time here.

Trying to be Breities. Carry on!

I'm still curious, must have been a private funeral?

56 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:18:56pm

re: #54 Freeze Peach

I think the reviewers saw the problem with the explicitly unstated nature of this motive (I believe in such a case it would be an argument made openly, since there's nothing wrong with it).

Conservatives have a problem digesting ambiguity. Bell probably didn't distill down to one single simplistic motivation because that's not how people tend to work in the real world.

57 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:19:45pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Yeah I am not seeing anything about Bell that leads me to believe he was Anti-Semitic and I am definitely not seeing Soledad O'Brien as being Anti-Semitic either.

That's because you're demanding a rational standard of proof.

The accusations are being justified via a tribal standard--Bell and O'Brien are automatically guilty because they're not allied with their accusers, and have to prove they're innocent. But the criterion for innocence isn't facts, it's capitulation to the worldview of the accusers.

Beyond being trolling, it's a mimic of the legal theory that governed Soviet era partisan "justice" (predominantly under the prosecutor Vyshinsky iirc).

58 Lidane  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:22:17pm
59 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:23:35pm

re: #54 Freeze Peach

OK, not much, from some sort of a symposium in 1999:

In addition to racism, some reviewers found my treatment of Jews in Space Traitor anti-Semetic. Daniel Farber and Suzanna Sherry suggest that my bias against Jews is shown in writing that some Jews who supported their anti-trade statement were motivated by concerns that in the absence of blacks, Jews could become the scapegoats for a system so reliant on an identifiable group on whose heads less-well-off whites can discharge their hate and frustrations for societal disabilities about which they are unwilling to confront their leaders. n23 This was, of course, far from my intention. In a lengthy essay review of their book, Cornell Law Professor Kathryn Abrams, criticizes Farber and Sherry for waging a

campaign of guilt-by-association against Derrick Bell... With the exception of a brief section in the introduction, however, Farber and Sherry do not actually mount an argument that Bell holds views that are anti-Semitic... Such associations are simply dropped into paragraphs that are not facially concerned with anti-Semitism.

n24

60 Kragar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:24:04pm

Arizona officials dive back into debunked controversy over Obama’s birth certificate

Arizona officials are jumping back into a persistent, yet debunked controversy over President Barack Obama’s birth certificate and his eligibility to hold office.

A legislative committee on Wednesday endorsed a proposal that requires presidential candidates to swear that they meet the qualifications to be the nation’s chief executive.

And the Arizona secretary of state is expected in the coming days to call for candidates to complete a new form asking eligibility questions, including whether they are natural-born U.S. citizens.

Hey, Arizona! Pull your head out of your ass.

61 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:24:11pm

re: #59 Freeze Peach

(BTW, all spellings as in the original database.)

62 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:25:18pm

The state dinner tonight w/Cameron

[Link: mrs-o.com...]

63 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:26:13pm

re: #58 Lidane

Deranged Madman Demands That We Acknowledge His Existence

LOL WTF.

Bobby: Damned idjit.

64 Lidane  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:26:45pm

re: #60 Kragar

Arizona officials dive back into debunked controversy over Obama’s birth certificate

Hey, Arizona! Pull your head out of your ass.

But Pravda wrote about the nirth certifkit! It's proof that there's something fishy going on!

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65 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:27:21pm

In summer 1998 issue of University of Chicago Law Review Kathryn Abrams has a lengthy critique of a book by D. Farber and S. Sherry. She touches on their critique of Bell, and specifically allegations of antisemitism:

2. Pervasive claims of anti-Semitism.
These explicit arguments, however, are not the only ways in which Farber and Sherry seek to connect multiculturalism with anti-Semitism. They also seek to bring home the ostensibly anti-Semitic implications of multiculturalism by less direct means. In this respect, their arguments assessing the consequences of multiculturalism descend from the unpersuasive to the deeply disturbing.
The authors wage a campaign of guilt-by-association against Derrick Bell, the originator of the critical race narrative and one of the founders of critical race theory. Bell is criticized for authoring a fictional chronicle in which Jewish protagonists demonstrate mixed motives in seeking to prevent Blacks from being removed by a group of aliens. n35 He is charged with displaying solicitude toward that veritable lightning rod for Black-Jewish tensions, Louis Farrakhan (p 44). With the exception of a brief section in the introduction (p 4), however, Farber and Sherry do not actually mount an argument that Bell holds views that are anti-Semitic. Nor do they argue that Bell--and by inference other multiculturalists--should be regarded as holding views that are anti-Semitic because Bell has written a particular chronicle or displayed solicitude toward Farrakhan. (I would add that I would find either argument unpersuasive, given Bell's actual writings. n36 ) [*1109] [*1110] Such associations are simply dropped into paragraphs that are not facially concerned with anti-Semitism.
Nor are Bell's alleged affiliations the only indirect means the authors use to suggest a connection between multiculturalism and anti-Semitism. Although Farber and Sherry survey a range of social and cultural damages that are alleged to flow from multicultural scholarship, one theme predominates: virtually every harm that is predicted or hypothesized is illustrated by reference to a development or controversy that has victimized Jews. Thus, the tendency toward authoritarianism by those who employ narrative methodology is illustrated by the Dreyfus affair (pp 102-03); the consequence of relativism in the characterization of "truth" in narrative is illustrated by difficulty of challenging Holocaust revisionism (pp 109-10); the tendency of narrative to degrade scholarly discourse is illustrated by an academic battle between two Jews over a Patricia Williams narrative dealing with anti-Semitism (pp 90-94); even Chapter Four, which identifies as a specific drawback of multiculturalism the fostering of arguments that the authors take to be anti-Semitic, ends with a reference to another, implicit connection, a chilling story about the failure to recognize merit in a concentration camp (p 71). n37 The cumulative effect of these connections is to suggest that wherever multiculturalism shows its face, norms or controversies evincing anti-Semitism are not far behind. [*1111]
Finally, Farber and Sherry make the claim, which operates to ratify the preceeding implications, that multiculturalism threatens Jews by challenging the protection conferred upon them by Enlightenment values. The authors cite a series of historical figures, from French counter-revolutionaries to German Romantics to Christian crusaders, who have both challenged Enlightenment premises and displayed variously virulent forms of anti-Semitism. Farber and Sherry then suggest that this connection is not accidental, because Jews have both perpetuated and received protection from Enlightenment values:

66 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:28:04pm

re: #65 Freeze Peach

Cont.:

Jews have been especially committed to Enlightenment beliefs, and thus have been instrumental in secularizing and universalizing American culture. . . . It is a reciprocal relationship; the Enlightenment focus on intellect and away from pedigree, on achievement rather than biography, on universal rather than local standards of merit, helped to open doors that had previously been closed to Jews (p 71).
Although Farber and Sherry return in the succeeding passage to the particular damage done by the critique of merit, their broader suggestion is that challenges to Enlightenment values threaten to undermine the protection that Jews have received from these values.
I have immediate sympathy with Farber and Sherry's concern about the scourge of anti-Semitism. The atrocities they cite occurred within many of our lifetimes, and snuffed out the lives of millions as an expression of pure racial hatred. These atrocities should be abhorred and remembered, and their repetition prevented. I also have no difficulty with Farber and Sherry's more generalized concern for the well-being of the Jewish people. It is inconsistent, as I will argue, with their emphasis on Enlightenment values, but it is a predictable outgrowth of a group-based conception of self with which I, as both a multiculturalist and a Jew, feel perfectly comfortable. (I received my own introduction to identity politics watching my parents decipher the import of any political development by asking, "But what does it mean for the Jews?"). But the claim that Jews are threatened by the multiculturalists' targeting of Enlightenment norms exceeds this kind of quotidian, group-based concern. Jews have no doubt supported and been supported by the norms of the Enlightenment, though Jews have also been prominent critics of Enlightenment values, particularly as they have been reflected in liberalism and its legal [*1112] manifestations. n38 However, to claim a relationship to the Enlightment of sufficient reciprocity or exclusivity that she who at [*1113] tacks the Enlightenment, in effect, attacks me, seems solipsistic n39 and bizarre. Moreover, the relentless drumbeat of anti-Semitic consequences--explicit, implicit, carefully argued, subliminal--reflects more than a generalized concern with the well-being of Jews. It reflects a suggestion that multiculturalism threatens the equality or well-being of Jews.
This latter claim is disturbing for several reasons. First, the authors' claims of anti-Semitic consequences are among the most attenuated in the book. The problem is not, as Richard Posner argued in an earlier review, that the claim of anti-Semitism is grounded on an effect-based interpretation of discrimination that is more characteristic of the multiculturalists than of Enlightenment scholars. n40 The problem is that the claim of anti-Semitism is not founded on any concrete effects at all. Sometimes Farber and Sherry argue that multiculturalists make logical or analytic moves (for example, the rejection of Enlightenment norms) that are analogous to moves that have been made in some anti-Semitic arguments. More often, they argue that multiculturalism contributes to the kind of intellectual environment in which certain unattractive kinds of arguments, including some anti-Semitic arguments, become more plausible. Even these speculative claims are weakened, as I argue above, by the fact that their central premises are flawed.

67 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:28:23pm

re: #66 Freeze Peach

Cont.:

Second, beyond the ungrounded character of the allegations, the manner in which they are made seems likely to inflame an already-volatile set of group relations. The last decade has been an extremely precarious time in Black-Jewish relations, given the erosion of the civil rights coalition over some Jews' rejection of affirmative action, the use of anti-Semitic discourse by Farrakhan and some other members of the Nation of Islam, the debates over Jesse Jackson's response to Farrakhan, the Crown Heights inci [*1114] dent, and more. n41 These tensions have affected Jewish relations with other communities of color, in part because many members of these communities experience an affinity with the Palestinians in their struggles with the state of Israel. These tensions are real, and they can be ameliorated, if at all, only through careful, nuanced dialogue about the claims of mistreatment and the bases of disagreement. Broad, speculative arguments such as those made by Farber and Sherry will undoubtedly focus more attention on the debate over multiculturalism, and may perhaps help to consolidate opposition to it. But they will do so at the cost of exacerbating a painful set of divisions, and framing the culture wars as one more site of antagonism between Jews and communities of color. This kind of argument is one that those concerned about the degradation of discourse would do well to reconsider.

68 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:29:40pm

re: #60 Kragar

Arizona officials dive back into debunked controversy over Obama’s birth certificate

Hey, Arizona! Pull your head out of your ass.

Another article on it:

Arizona's birther bill is back

You gotta give Rep. Carl Seel credit for tenacity.

The state lawmaker who last year met with Donald Trump to discuss his "birther bill," and who greeted Sheriff Joe Arpaio's investigation into President Barack Obama's birth certificate with a cheer, has managed to revive the birther legislation.

On Wednesday, the Senate Government Reform Committee approved House Bill 2480 on a partyline vote, with Republicans in favor and Democrats opposed.

Seel replaced the language in one of his AHCCCS fraud and waste bills with verbage that would require any candidate for president and vice president of the United States to have their national party submit an affidavit to Arizona's Secretary of State attesting, under penalty of perjury, they are qualified to hold those offices.

One of the requirements for the presidency is that a person be a natural born citizen -- something Seel, R-Phoenix, has long questioned about Obama.

Sen. Judy Burges, R-Sun City West and the original birther backer in the Legislature, said the bill is a shadow of its earlier self because it no longer requires the Secretary of State to certify natural birth and citizenship.

She was among the four Republicans voting "yes" on the bill, along with senators Lori ['little pink gun'] Klein of Anthem, Rick Murphy of Peoria and Steve Smith of Maricopa.

Phoenix Democrats Steve Gallardo and David Lujan voted "no."

69 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:30:21pm

re: #62 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

The state dinner tonight w/Cameron

[Link: mrs-o.com...]

Makes that other lady's dress look like something from WalMart.

70 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:31:49pm

re: #69 wrenchwench
Very nice. I will say this Michelle likes very busy necklaces.

71 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:35:12pm

Footnote 36 is very important:

n36 As for Bell's alleged solicitude toward Farrakhan, I am unwilling to perpetuate what I regard as a flawed policy among some Jews of calling on virtually every African-American leader of prominence to disclaim Farrakhan in the face of his anti-Semitic remarks. Farrakhan and some other Nation of Islam leaders, such as Khalid Abdul Muhammed, have made anti-Semitic statements that I reject, and that I believe others, of any racial group, who care about group-based equality should reject. These attitudes, in my mind, make Farrakhan a less fit leader than others who reject anti-Semitism in all its manifestations, and a problematic public representative of the Black community. But I do not believe such attitudes require that Blacks deny the benefits Farrakhan has provided to that community. Black leaders are required to disclaim Farrakhan's anti-Semitism, but no similar requirement is imposed on other groups, many of whom have comparable figures in their own midst. Christians are never called upon to disclaim the anti-Semitism of Pat Buchanan; nor are Jews, for that matter, required to disclaim the racism of Meir Kahane. In this context, the demand that Black leaders disclaim Farrakhan suggests, at the very least, that some Jews are more willing to look for anti-Semitism at the margins of society than within power structures where it can do far more to harm them.
Moreover, Derrick Bell's discussion of Farrakhan (which occurs, ironically, in the context of a discussion of the pressure on Black leaders to disclaim those who make statements deemed "outrageous" by those in power) is complicated. Bell's description of Farrakhan as offering a form of forthright resistance to the white power structure and a form of empowerment to young Blacks that few other leaders have been able to match is in some respects similar that of Cornel West, who is often viewed as a champion of Black-Jewish relations. Compare Bell, Faces at 11825 (cited in note 35), with Cornel West, Black-Jewish Dialogue: Beyond Rootless Universalism and Ethnic Chauvinism, 4:3 Tikkun 95, 96 (1989) ("The state of siege now raging in Black America, the sense of frustration and hopelessness, pushes people to look toward a leader who speaks in bold and defiant terms. The Black elected officials tend not to speak to these deep needs. Farrakhan tries to fill the vacuum . . . ."). And while Bell's discussion contains passages that praise Farrakhan frankly ("Minister Farrakhan, calm, cool, and very much on top of the questions, handles these self-appointed guardians with ease. I love it!"), Bell, Faces at 118 (cited in note 35), he constructs a dialogue that permits the problem of anti-Semitic statements and Black responses to them to be discussed at length, from a number of perspectives, some of which attempt to illustrate how the Jewish anguish over Farrakhan looks to at least some Blacks. This seems to me instructive, particularly if one is willing to acknowledge that this ferment may look different from the perspective of Blacks than from the perspectives of Jews. However, it is not a matter of saying (as Farber and Sherry's worry about relativism might suggest) that Blacks will inevitably view the controversy one way and Jews another. Some of Bell's conclusions seem plausible, even to me, approaching the controversy as (one kind of ) Jew. In one section, for example, Bell states:
Were I a Jew, I would be damned concerned about the latent--and often active--anti-Semitism in this country. But to leap with a vengeance on inflammatory comments by blacks is a misguided effort to vent justified fears on black targets of opportunity who are the society's least powerful influences and--I might add--the most likely to be made the scapegoats for deeply rooted anti-Semitism that they didn't create and that will not be cured by their destruction.
Id at 121. While some of Bell's discussion may be jarring to some Jewish sensibilities (including my own), to suggest that this discussion is anti-Semitic seems incorrect and inflammatory.
I reach similar conclusions about Bell's chronicle of "The Space Traders." It is true, as Farber and Sherry state, that Bell describes a plot of resistance (to the removal of all Blacks by the Space Traders) by Jews calling themselves the "Anne Frank Committee." Though the Committee publicly describes its motives as reflecting "the fateful parallel between the plight of blacks in this country and the situation of the Jews in Nazi Germany," Bell notes that "a concern of many Jews not contained in their official condemnations of the Trade offer, was that, in the absence of blacks, Jews could become the scapegoats for a system . . . reliant on an identifiable group on whose heads less-well-off whites can discharge their hate and frustrations for societal disabilities . . . ." Id at 186. This is not a flattering picture of Jews (who may well have enjoyed, as I did, the first part of the passage, which depicted Jews as taking an atypically strong position against the proposed removal of Black citizens), but it is also not the end of the matter. Jews are described as victims, as well as allies with mixed motives, in the succeeding passage. Here Bell relates a plan engineered by the Attorney General, to prevent a small group of Jews from "besmirching the good names of all patriotic . . . Jews" by blacklisting members of the Anne Frank Committee. Id at 187. Bell states:
Retaliation was quick. Within hours, men and women listed as belonging to the committee lost their jobs; their contracts were canceled; their mortgages foreclosed; and harassment of them, including physical violence, escalated into a nationwide resurgence of anti-Semitic feeling . . . . The Jews who opposed the Trade were intimidated into silence and inaction. The leaders of [the group] were themselves forced into hiding, leaving few able to provide any haven for blacks.
Id. Both the McCarthy-esque strategy, and its consequences, are grotesque, leaving little doubt about the vulnerable status of the Jews. While they are not, of course, the wholly devalued group who become the object of the Space Traders' exchange, Jews live on a precarious edge, which serves at least to contextualize their earlier, somewhat unappealing concern about their own status. Moreover, Jews are not the only ones who display mixed motives in opposing the Trade (business leaders make a hypocritical protest aimed at saving a portion of their market and their work force), nor are they the only ones who engage in a struggle over the scarce territory at the societal margin (the quote about the motives of the Anne Frank Committee makes clear that other marginal groups engaged in scapegoating). One can question why Jews, via this subplot, were held up for particular criticism at all; and one can ask whether this treatment demonstrates the kind of inappropriate focus on those close to the social margins that Bell himself criticized in the case of the Jewish attacks on Farrakhan. But, in the end, this may be a question that distinguishes (some) Jewish perspective(s) from those of an AfricanAmerican author. This is a chronicle about betrayal of Black Americans by the dominant power structure which systematically devalued them, by the legal system whose equality-based precedents were not strong enough to help them, by a variety of groups whose motives were too mixed or whose positions made them too vulnerable to be of much use. While the picture of Jews it presents is not pretty, Jews do not fare conspicuously less well than any other group in this nightmarish account. It does not, to my mind, provide a basis for charging Bell with anti-Semitism.

72 Lidane  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:35:24pm

re: #70 Georgia Tech Aunt

Very nice. I will say this Michelle likes very busy necklaces.

True, but it would only be distracting if everything else she was wearing was just as busy. With a simple dress like the one she's wearing, a busy necklace works well, especially since it's got complimentary shades of blue going on.

73 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:36:08pm

re: #71 Freeze Peach

fixed

74 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:36:27pm

re: #72 Lidane
I agree. It does work very well.

75 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:39:27pm

re: #67 Freeze Peach

Cont.:

This, is the one to read.

(hate scholarly text, too haard.

76 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:40:57pm

re: #75 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

Read the note 36 alone, it is directly relevant to the Space Traders and Farrakhan.

77 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:42:30pm

re: #69 wrenchwench

Makes that other lady's dress look like something from WalMart.

Austerity Baby!

78 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:43:19pm

Time to go home.

Someone is waiting.

Later, lizards.

79 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:43:41pm

re: #73 Freeze Peach

fixed

Thanks for bringing that information here, Sergey.

You should page it so we can reference it on twitter.

80 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:43:59pm

re: #76 Freeze Peach

Read the note 36 alone, it is directly relevant to the Space Traders and Farrakhan.

Yep

Black leaders are required to disclaim Farrakhan's anti-Semitism, but no similar requirement is imposed on other groups, many of whom have comparable figures in their own midst. Christians are never called upon to disclaim the anti-Semitism of Pat Buchanan; nor are Jews, for that matter, required to disclaim the racism of Meir Kahane.

The key word here is "required"

81 blueraven  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:44:28pm

re: #62 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

The state dinner tonight w/Cameron

[Link: mrs-o.com...]

Lovely!

82 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:46:55pm

re: #81 blueraven

Lovely!

If you don't visit Mrs. O weekly, you miss out.

Damn liberal media!

83 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:47:00pm

re: #79 My Name is Muerte!

NO U ;)

It's up for grabs, won't page. I also fully understand that I may be exceeding fair use by posting such large passages in the comments. I'll leave it to Charles to decide whether to delete or not.

84 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:48:48pm

re: #83 Freeze Peach

If anyone wants to contact Kathryn Abrams to ask for permission to post a page: [Link: www.law.berkeley.edu...]

85 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:49:44pm

re: #84 Freeze Peach

I've met her. I'll do it.

86 BongCrodny  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:52:38pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Honestly what is with people like Loesch? She called you a child molester? Why are people like this getting jobs as journalists when they're as mature as 7th graders?

Idiocracy wasn't only a movie -- it was a blueprint.

87 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:54:25pm

re: #86 BongCrodny

Idiocracy wasn't only a movie -- it was a blueprint.

It was IMHO a pretty silly concept where intelligence was mostly controlled by genetics.

88 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:55:32pm

Off to dinnar.

89 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:56:14pm

re: #88 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

Off to dinnar.

Dinar? You are a secret Jihadi! //

90 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:56:30pm

re: #85 Obdicut


Okay, emailed her.

91 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:56:53pm

Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

92 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:57:36pm

re: #80 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

Yep

The key word here is "required"

I think Bell was mainly concerned with showing the difference between systemic oppression of specific groups and personal reactions to those same groups and in showing how 'the powers that be' which includes Jews as well as members of other minorities can turn against all groups.

Those calling him anti-Semitic are looking at a very narrow portion of what he wrote and characterizing everything he writes as being the same.

93 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:58:25pm

re: #85 Obdicut

I've met her. I'll do it.

Good man.

94 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 5:58:58pm

My husband is such a geek. I told him it's pi day, and he said it's too late to celebrate because it's past 1:59.

95 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:00:13pm

re: #90 Obdicut

Okay, emailed her.

Note that in her extremely sympathetic review she also thinks that Bell doesn't present the Jewish defenders of black in ST in the best light. It is thus easy to understand how Bell's detractors would moreso find the description bad.

96 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:00:26pm

re: #94 To hold my temper, most of the time.

How does he feel about the campaign to replace pi?

[Link: www.newscientist.com...]

97 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:00:26pm

re: #94 To hold my temper, most of the time.

My husband is such a geek. I told him it's pi day, and he said it's too late to celebrate because it's past 1:59.

He's approximately right.

98 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:01:45pm

re: #96 Obdicut

How does he feel about the campaign to replace pi?

[Link: www.newscientist.com...]

It's not a replacement it's an augmentation.

99 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:04:41pm

re: #96 Obdicut

How does he feel about the campaign to replace pi?

[Link: www.newscientist.com...]

Poppycock.

100 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:04:49pm

re: #95 Freeze Peach

Sure, but that's hardly anti-semitism, any more than this book is:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

101 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:05:48pm

re: #100 Obdicut

Heh, true.

102 BongCrodny  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:05:52pm

re: #87 Freeze Peach

It was IMHO a pretty silly concept where intelligence was mostly controlled by genetics.

Oh, sure -- I get that. When I reference Idiocracy, I mean it in the sense of the general dumbing down of society/politics.

Genetics aside, two fucking numbskull parents aren't likely to put their kids on a path to Harvard.

103 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:12:54pm

I was just about to shut down my computer when I found this story. I have posted it. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

104 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:13:09pm

re: #71 Freeze Peach

It is interesting how this footnote covers the whole range of discussion we've had here over these days.

105 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:17:01pm

Okay. I posted the silliness of the Governor of PA. Good Night to my fellow Lizards. ::: makes note to self: do not read any more articles for the day :::

106 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:17:23pm

re: #105 PhillyPretzel

Good night.

107 darthstar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:35:48pm

Are the Loesches just uneducated white trash CNN hired to compete with Fox for idiotic viewers?

108 Digital Display  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:36:01pm

Hi Lizards! It's a beautiful day Down South...Watching American Idol, Winston is asleep on my lap..I am smiling deep inside. Now that I have a girl friend it seems I am being constantly texted by her and her friends..Nobody calls anybody here.. It's all texting..I get up in the morning there are texts waiting for me..Thou must text before bedtime and all day long. I'm not complaining..It strikes me as funny.

109 Kragar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:37:04pm

Texas seeks to challenge Voting Rights Act

In a filing to a three-judge panel in Washington, Texas asked to submit a petition charging that Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act "exceeds the enumerated powers of Congress and conflicts with Article IV of the Constitution and the Tenth Amendment."

As a state with a history of voter discrimination, Texas is required under that section of the Voting Rights Act to get advance approval of voting changes from either the Justice Department or the U.S. District Court in Washington.

The provision dates from 1965, but was upheld in 2006 after Congress found that discrimination still exists in the areas where it was historically a problem.

110 jamesfirecat  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:39:13pm

re: #109 Kragar

Texas seeks to challenge Voting Rights Act

Well at least they're not beating around the bush.

111 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:41:42pm

re: #95 Freeze Peach

Note that in her extremely sympathetic review she also thinks that Bell doesn't present the Jewish defenders of black in ST in the best light. It is thus easy to understand how Bell's detractors would moreso find the description bad.

While they are not, of course, the wholly devalued group who become the object of the Space Traders' exchange, Jews live on a precarious edge, which serves at least to contextualize their earlier, somewhat unappealing concern about their own status.

It's almost like Bell chose not to turn Jews into a simplistic caricature, neither of context free self sacrifice nor of completely craven self interest, but instead chose to represent them as a complex people whose motivations could not be reduced into a single blanket stereotype.

Again, I think the root of the problem is an antipathy towards ambiguity. The attempt to contextualize the Jewish response in anything resembling complex, somewhat realistic terms is only problematic if one thinks that portraying Jews as normal people partially concerned by an understandable thing like their own status is demeaning.

112 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:41:52pm

Speaking of Twidiots check out this Tweet. These people are the scum of the Earth.

113 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:43:39pm

re: #108 HoosierHoops

Hi Lizards! It's a beautiful day Down South...Watching American Idol, Winston is asleep on my lap..I am smiling deep inside. Now that I have a girl friend it seems I am being constantly texted by her and her friends..Nobody calls anybody here.. It's all texting..I get up in the morning there are texts waiting for me..Thou must text before bedtime and all day long. I'm not complaining..It strikes me as funny.

If you were in the same room you wouldn't have time or need to text.

114 What, me worry?  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:44:38pm

re: #5 Learned Mother of Zion

What did she say that was allegedly anti-Jewish?

Soledad didn't have to say anything. They just make accusations... you know, like Shirley Sherrod hates white people.

In fact, you would have thought that after that little fiasco, and a lawsuit to boot, they would have learned better than to make false accusations about people. But they're monsters, like their dead predecessor.

115 prairiefire  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:48:09pm

re: #114 Everybody Look at Your Hands

{{Marj}} It will take flames of righteous indignation to beat back these monsters. Right leaning ladies will need to speak out in magnitude for the dim bulbs to understand.

116 What, me worry?  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:50:43pm

re: #115 prairiefire

{{Marj}} It will take flames of righteous indignation to beat back these monsters. Right leaning ladies will need to speak out in magnitude for the dim bulbs to understand.

It just makes me so angry. What they did to Shirley and two innocent, elderly people. And I think you're right, but that's tricky, too. People don't like to stick their necks out in this environment of being called such nasty things.

117 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:51:18pm

re: #15 Kragar

Santorum Doesn't Seem to Mind Offending Puerto Rico

And in other news, Florida freshman GOP senator Marco Rubio was hospitalized today with a concussion brought on by repeatedly smacking his forehead with the heel of his hand in disbelief after reading Rick Santorum's words.

///

118 prairiefire  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:52:34pm

re: #116 Everybody Look at Your Hands

It just makes me so angry. What they did to Shirley and two innocent, elderly people. And I think you're right, but that's tricky, too. People don't like to stick their necks out in this environment of being called such nasty things.

We did it in the 70's and, apparently, we have to do it again.

119 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:53:23pm

re: #108 HoosierHoops

Hi Lizards! It's a beautiful day Down South...Watching American Idol, Winston is asleep on my lap..I am smiling deep inside. Now that I have a girl friend it seems I am being constantly texted by her and her friends..Nobody calls anybody here.. It's all texting..I get up in the morning there are texts waiting for me..Thou must text before bedtime and all day long. I'm not complaining..It strikes me as funny.

Oooh, there's a new world to discover. (do a sext)

120 andres  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:53:30pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

On the very least, it's going to be interesting (and entertaining) what Rubio's reaction will be.

121 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:53:40pm

re: #112 Gus

I would have a very hard time restraining the urge to knock that fucker into the next century. That makes my blood boil.

Now, with Texas attempting to murder the Voting Rights Act, can we dispense with the Niceties towards the South, and start attacking in this culture war? Being on the Defense continuously means we can't advance.

122 prairiefire  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:54:26pm

re: #119 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

Oooh, there's a new world to discover. (do a sext)

But how would you text a breathy voice?

123 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:55:02pm

re: #120 andres

It's great to see that Santorum is already trying to push what could be our newest state into the Democrat's hands. Exactly what we need.

For the US to get better, the Democrats have to dominate the Congress. New Deal-class dominate.

124 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:55:12pm

re: #112 Gus

Speaking of Twidiots check out this Tweet. These people are the scum of the Earth.

How in the hell do you want/find these fucks?

125 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:55:16pm

re: #112 Gus

Hey Gus, posted some stuff re: Bell above, might interest you.

126 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:56:10pm

Full Disclosure: I met Joel Pollack twice in 2010 when he ran for Congress in Illinois's 9th Congressional District (the district in which I live). At the time I was much impressed by him and he did not show the nuttiness we now see out of him. In 2010 I was proud to have voted for him, now I am not (though even if I knew who he really was, I still would have voted for him over Jan Schakowsky).

127 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:56:33pm

re: #111 goddamnedfrank

It's almost like Bell chose not to turn Jews into a simplistic caricature, neither of context free self sacrifice nor of completely craven self interest, but instead chose to represent them as a complex people whose motivations could not be reduced into a single blanket stereotype.

Again, I think the root of the problem is an antipathy towards ambiguity. The attempt to contextualize the Jewish response in anything resembling complex, somewhat realistic terms is only problematic if one thinks that portraying Jews as normal people partially concerned by an understandable thing like their own status is demeaning.

I think two points are important.

1) Jews were talked about in Space Traders because the parallel to the Holocaust was obvious. The premise of black people being shipped off to an unknown place was a combination of slavery (ships) and being rounded off to be sent away (the Nazi's rounding up Jews) in order to "improve" society. The complex reaction was based on an understanding of the parallel, but also the fear that once blacks were gone, who would be next? Once the most feared and maligned group of people were removed from American society, who would replace them because somebody would. Who would the haters start hating next? Jews, given their history would be contenders. At least that's how I took it when I read the story when I was 15.

2) Most black people do not make distinctions between white ethnic groups. We really don't. A black person who is truly anti-semitic doesn't like any white people. See Louis Farrakhan.

Or I'll just let Chris Rock say it

128 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:57:25pm

re: #123 ProGunLiberal

It's great to see that Santorum is already trying to push what could be our newest state into the Democrat's hands. Exactly what we need.

For the US to get better, the Democrats have to dominate the Congress. New Deal-class dominate.

Not gonna happen. Neither party will have that level of control in the foreseeable future.

129 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:58:00pm

re: #124 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

How in the hell do you want/find these fucks?

Who knows. This was my Tweet:

I've stopped Tweeting to #tcot since I've grew tired of having to deal with the right-wing psychopaths and Breitbots.

130 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:58:03pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

Damn, your mix of honesty and stubborness is infuriating ;))

131 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:58:39pm

re: #125 Freeze Peach

Hey Gus, posted some stuff re: Bell above, might interest you.

I saw. Thanks. Might look later. Kind of tired right now and might need a mental health break from all the wingnuttery.

132 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:59:57pm

re: #131 Gus

OK. You can actually skip most of the stuff and read only #71.

133 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:01:39pm

re: #114 Everybody Look at Your Hands

omg. am at work on iphone wondering who "looking at your hands" is. MM! WHOOT!

134 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:04:04pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

Maybe not for much longer. Within 20 years, we should be able to exploit, at least with the Senate, the ballooning Hispanic Population to gain a number of new Blue Senators.

At the District Level, de-Gerrymandering is important.

And, if we can get that power, we need to pass some amendments. For one, we should pass a resurrected ERA. Another amendment should also be passed to fix Citizen's United.

At this point, many Republicans (not you) have become distinctly un-democratic, and seem to want to impose some form of Christian Salafism, as Mona El-Tahawy said on Twitter recently.

135 Digital Display  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:04:38pm

re: #113 My Name is Muerte!

If you were in the same room you wouldn't have time or need to text.

LOL So true..It's a new world with relationships..We both have careers that take lots of time and we get to spend a few days together each week but we text ALOT..She started it..You can't ignore a text from somebody you are falling head over heels with..You answer! It's funny..We never talk on the phone it seems like..It's OK..It's a new world..
There are some advantages.. I know she is going away this weekend to do something for the State of Oklahoma and I don't remember a damn thing about what where and when..Nomally you'd have to listen to shit like you never listen to me.. I told you!
Heck..I got it via text..I'm good to go..I love you baby! LOL

136 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:04:51pm

re: #120 andres

On the very least, it's going to be interesting (and entertaining) what Rubio's reaction will be.

Sen. Marco Rubio is shocked, shocked I tell you, that Republicans are starting to say directly to Latinos what they say about Latinos all of the time to other Republicans!

Seriously, Rubio is a member of a party that constantly goes on about English being made the official language, how terrible it is that Latinos speak Spanish and don't learn English quick enough and that we should get rid of ESL classes in schools. Does he really have a right to be surprised that finally somebody said to their faces what Republicans say all of the time anyway?

If Rubio is embarrassed, he can shove it.

137 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:07:25pm

re: #136 moderatelyradicalliberal

Nevermind the cognitive dissonance that, if you get rid of ESL Programs, how do the kids learn, exactly?

138 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:07:45pm

re: #122 prairiefire

But how would you text a breathy voice?

Words. all it takes is the words. they get it. (newbie, and ohh)

139 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:08:24pm

re: #130 Freeze Peach

Damn, your mix of honesty and stubborness is infuriating ;))

Well, here's some more of it:

This new Page I've just put up is not my usual sort of thing, given how often I've lambasted the New York Times over the years. But this Op-Ed has gotten a good bit of play on the Net, and it does deserve to be read. So, in that spirit of honesty Sergey just referred to:

Why I am Leaving Goldman Sachs - NYT Op-Ed

TODAY is my last day at Goldman Sachs. After almost 12 years at the firm — first as a summer intern while at Stanford, then in New York for 10 years, and now in London — I believe I have worked here long enough to understand the trajectory of its culture, its people and its identity. And I can honestly say that the environment now is as toxic and destructive as I have ever seen it.

To put the problem in the simplest terms, the interests of the client continue to be sidelined in the way the firm operates and thinks about making money. Goldman Sachs is one of the world’s largest and most important investment banks and it is too integral to global finance to continue to act this way. The firm has veered so far from the place I joined right out of college that I can no longer in good conscience say that I identify with what it stands for.

Please do read the full piece, then comment if you wish to do so.

140 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:08:39pm

re: #137 ProGunLiberal

Nevermind the cognitive dissonance that, if you get rid of ESL Programs, how do the kids learn, exactly?

Osmosis. You just stick 'em in a pool filled with moist dictionaries.

141 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:09:02pm

re: #132 Freeze Peach

OK. You can actually skip most of the stuff and read only #71.

Seems rather complicated. How would you sum this up?

142 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:09:16pm

re: #141 Gus

No! ;)

143 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:09:57pm

re: #136 moderatelyradicalliberal

Sen. Marco Rubio is shocked, shocked I tell you, that Republicans are starting to say directly to Latinos what they say about Latinos all of the time to other Republicans!

Seriously, Rubio is a member of a party that constantly goes on about English being made the official language, how terrible it is that Latinos speak Spanish and don't learn English quick enough and that we should get rid of ESL classes in schools. Does he really have a right to be surprised that finally somebody said to their faces what Republicans say all of the time anyway?

If Rubio is embarrassed, he can shove it.

Rubio is in the same boat as Santorum. Catholic theocracy all the way. He won't say anything to risk that VP invitation.

144 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:10:16pm

re: #62 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

The state dinner tonight w/Cameron

[Link: mrs-o.com...]

Just asked my Wife how Michelle looked in that dress. She took one look and said pregnant. Don't ask me why. She basically said it wasn't fat because if it was, it would also be showing up in her face as well. Ladies?

Myself, I thought she looked hot.

145 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:10:48pm

re: #134 ProGunLiberal

Most of that stuff I don't agree with. But on the issue of de-Gerrymandering, you and I are in perfect accord. I hate what both parties have used gerrymandering to do in Illinois, and I want the methods used to redistrict completely overhauled and made politically neutral.

146 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:11:02pm

Un-freaking believable. These people are totally insane.

147 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:12:44pm

re: #127 moderatelyradicalliberal

I think two points are important.

1) Jews were talked about in Space Traders because the parallel to the Holocaust was obvious. The premise of black people being shipped off to an unknown place was a combination of slavery (ships) and being rounded off to be sent away (the Nazi's rounding up Jews) in order to "improve" society. The complex reaction was based on an understanding of the parallel, but also the fear that once blacks were gone, who would be next? Once the most feared and maligned group of people were removed from American society, who would replace them because somebody would. Who would the haters start hating next? Jews, given their history would be contenders. At least that's how I took it when I read the story when I was 15.

2) Most black people do not make distinctions between white ethnic groups. We really don't. A black person who is truly anti-semitic doesn't like any white people. See Louis Farrakhan.

Or I'll just let Chris Rock say it

[Embedded content]

HEAR HEAR

148 blueraven  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:12:56pm

re: #121 ProGunLiberal

I would have a very hard time restraining the urge to knock that fucker into the next century. That makes my blood boil.

Now, with Texas attempting to murder the Voting Rights Act, can we dispense with the Niceties towards the South, and start attacking in this culture war? Being on the Defense continuously means we can't advance.

Look here, I live in TX as I believe does Jaunte, Shiplord Kirel, Lidane, Austin Blue and I am sure many others on this blog.

Just stop it!

149 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:13:46pm

re: #143 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

Rubio is in the same boat as Santorum. Catholic theocracy all the way. He won't say anything to risk that VP invitation.

He doesn't want the VP nod, I don't think. He's going to hang back this time around, and not risk getting stained by a loss. But he's a very effective politician, and he'll make a big move in time, just not yet.

(The italicized section is a reference, a kind of mild riff on all of the sex stuff we've ended up talking about).

150 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:14:13pm

re: #146 Gus

I don't get what his problem is. Doesn't seem bright.

151 Mocking Jay  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:14:41pm

re: #146 Gus

tl;dr

152 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:16:15pm

re: #151 Meh.

tl;dr

Here's a snippet:

Another part of the ongoing dilemma is that the President surrounded himself with self-proclaimed Marxists, socialists, communists and progressives. Why? Is the answer that he embodies some or all of those ideological characteristics? I think so. Each of them arrived with an agenda to turn America into the vision of themselves and the despicable goal of changing America into a European style state of fear and class warfare. Sadly, we see it happening before our very eyes, but we refuse to stand up and make our presence and our voices known. That must change. We have to get involved. If we sit still for the usual emanations from Washington, D.C. and say nothing, do nothing, we will be nothing. Who to blame? Only ourselves.

153 Lidane  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:18:04pm

LGF Irrelevance Alert: Another hat tip from Balloon Juice here...

We Don’t Need No Thought Control

154 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:18:23pm

re: #143 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

Rubio is in the same boat as Santorum. Catholic theocracy all the way. He won't say anything to risk that VP invitation.

Actually there are reports that Rubio doesn't attend a Catholic church, but a Baptist one.

The family left the Mormon church by the time Rubio was 12, according to Rubio’s office, and he received First Communion in the Catholic Church a year later. After returning to Miami, Rubio was confirmed, and he was married in the church.

But as he got older, Rubio started to attend Christ Fellowship in Miami, a church affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention. Though he had substantial debt, due to mortgages and student loans, Rubio gave about $50,000 to the church over a period of years last decade. He also gave to the Catholic Church, his office said.

In the 2002 Florida House Clerk’s Manual, Rubio described himself as Catholic. Two years later he listed himself as Baptist, then two years after that, he identified himself as Catholic.

“Around 2005 Marco began to return to his Catholic roots,” according to a time line provided by the senator’s office, which added, “He enjoys the sermons and the excellent children’s ministry at Christ Fellowship, and still attends often.”

In Washington, Rubio has said he attends daily Mass.

[Link: www.getreligion.org...]

155 What, me worry?  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:18:50pm

re: #127 moderatelyradicalliberal

I think two points are important.

1) Jews were talked about in Space Traders because the parallel to the Holocaust was obvious. The premise of black people being shipped off to an unknown place was a combination of slavery (ships) and being rounded off to be sent away (the Nazi's rounding up Jews) in order to "improve" society. The complex reaction was based on an understanding of the parallel, but also the fear that once blacks were gone, who would be next? Once the most feared and maligned group of people were removed from American society, who would replace them because somebody would. Who would the haters start hating next? Jews, given their history would be contenders. At least that's how I took it when I read the story when I was 15.

2) Most black people do not make distinctions between white ethnic groups. We really don't. A black person who is truly anti-semitic doesn't like any white people. See Louis Farrakhan.

Or I'll just let Chris Rock say it

[Embedded content]

I like reading this discussion because I want to understand Bell and there's such a one-sided take on him from completely unreliable sources.

Black prejudice against Jews (and vice versa for that matter) always surprises me because I think we have similar cultural experiences. I've always felt we were a good mix.

The acceptance of Farrakhan really puzzles me, though. That he's a preacher and hates so fervently. Muslim or no Muslim. And I don't agree with Jews when they do it either. MLK's message was so different, but for me, he spoke closer to the human condition that went beyond skin color.

156 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:18:54pm

re: #144 Bubblehead II

Just asked my Wife how Michelle looked in that dress. She took one look and said pregnant. Don't ask me why. She basically said it wasn't fat because if it was, it would also be showing up in her face as well. Ladies?

Myself, I thought she looked hot.

Not fond of it. The color is great, the cut is fine...EXCEPT..for whatever is going on on the bodice. The wrapping is great, but then we've got that odd Madonna-pointy-boobs thing going on on the front. Fix that, and it's a winner.

Mrs. O herself looks fine and healthy as usual.

157 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:19:00pm

re: #152 Gus

Here's a snippet:

It ain't Obama bringing out the fear, envy and hate.

158 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:20:06pm

re: #144 Bubblehead II

Just asked my Wife how Michelle looked in that dress. She took one look and said pregnant. Don't ask me why. She basically said it wasn't fat because if it was, it would also be showing up in her face as well. Ladies?

Myself, I thought she looked hot.

I don't see it, but a little Barack III would be awesome.

159 What, me worry?  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:20:32pm

re: #133 Stanley Sea for a while, till someone screws up

omg. am at work on iphone wondering who "looking at your hands" is. MM! WHOOT!

LOL I think I may change it again :>

160 Lidane  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:22:32pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

He doesn't want the VP nod, I don't think. He's going to hang back this time around, and not risk getting stained by a loss. But he's a very effective politician, and he'll make a big move in time, just not yet.

The birthers hate him anyway. As long as that idiocy keeps infecting the GOP, he's got an uphill battle:

'INELIGIBLE' RUBIO TOP GOP CHOICE FOR VP

WorldNetDaily’s Farah: Rubio ineligible for VP slot, not a ‘natural-born citizen’ [VIDEO]

Plus, he was baptized Mormon, which will send the idiots and evangelicals running in the other direction.

161 blueraven  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:22:56pm

re: #152 Gus

Here's a snippet:

also this

...the presidential election of 2008. We put a man in office, a man not really qualified to be a dog catcher, much less the most powerful man in the world.

Really? Nothing prefaces a good argument like the old "not worthy of being a dog catcher" line.
/

162 andres  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:23:15pm

re: #136 moderatelyradicalliberal

Sen. Marco Rubio is shocked, shocked I tell you, that Republicans are starting to say directly to Latinos what they say about Latinos all of the time to other Republicans!

Seriously, Rubio is a member of a party that constantly goes on about English being made the official language, how terrible it is that Latinos speak Spanish and don't learn English quick enough and that we should get rid of ESL classes in schools. Does he really have a right to be surprised that finally somebody said to their faces what Republicans say all of the time anyway?

If Rubio is embarrassed, he can shove it.

I'm more keen on how he will explain this to his key voters (Puerto Ricans are quickly increasing in Florida, and obviously Cubans).

163 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:24:39pm

re: #152 Gus

I would, however, argue that the true critical passage is this one that just precedes your excerpt:

We found that the dreaded four-letter word that could burn the eardrums of a sweet mother or even a hard-hearted father did not start with the letter 'F.' No, no ... that would have been too simple. There are worse four-letter words that not only burn the eardrums but they singe the soul. They change life as we know it. They create an environment of hell on earth. And alas, sometimes they come wrapped in the promises of easy living, free lunches forever and fun times at the social picnic. But as the wrappings are peeled away and truth is revealed, and we see the four-letter words that imprison us with our own trappings. They become clear and defined. They are "fear and envy" and the worst four letter word of all, "hate."

Hate fuels the fear, the envy, and we bind ourselves to the adversary by falling into the trap of each of them. We can never lose our awareness that those who perpetrate the lie and the hate by using their best tools of fear and envy and class warfare are alive and well and doing their very best to take our basic freedoms away from us. The word and its implications need to get lost from the lexicon of the American landscape. I realize that will be hard for the Left in America as it is what feeds their motivations and goals.

Gerald Molen is quite right about the effects of hatred, but is wrong in equally great measure in simply attributing the utility of hatred to the left. Both parties have haters, and it is those on the right who are the worse by a good margin at this time. So what we're left with is Molan giving good, if unoriginal insight into ways to think, only to throw away the value of that insight with a DERP! at the end of the second paragraph before getting into some serious DERPage in the paragraph Gus quoted.

164 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:24:42pm

Chris Loesch versus Levi Johnston in the periphery political douchebag thunderdome

FIGHT!

165 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:25:44pm

re: #160 Lidane

The birthers hate him anyway. As long as that idiocy keeps infecting the GOP, he's got an uphill battle:

'INELIGIBLE' RUBIO TOP GOP CHOICE FOR VP

WorldNetDaily’s Farah: Rubio ineligible for VP slot, not a ‘natural-born citizen’ [VIDEO]

Plus, he was baptized Mormon, which will send the idiots and evangelicals running in the other direction.

Joseph Farah can go fuck himself with a railroad spike.

166 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:26:25pm

re: #164 windupbird is in the gravity well

Chris Loesch versus Levi Johnston in the periphery political douchebag thunderdome

FIGHT!

TWO DERPS ENTER, ONE DERP LEAVES!

TWO DERPS ENTER, ONE DERP LEAVES!

167 prairiefire  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:27:03pm

re: #144 Bubblehead II

Just asked my Wife how Michelle looked in that dress. She took one look and said pregnant. Don't ask me why. She basically said it wasn't fat because if it was, it would also be showing up in her face as well. Ladies?

Myself, I thought she looked hot.

She does. The Mrs.'s might have missed where the top ends and the skirt begins. Michelle has been doing a lot of crunches to get into that skirt.

168 andres  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:27:11pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

Hey now, that's offensive. What did the railroad spike ever did to you? xP

169 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:27:31pm

re: #168 andres

Hey now, that's offensive. What did the railroad spike ever did to you? xP

Ha!

170 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:27:40pm

re: #144 Bubblehead II

Just asked my Wife how Michelle looked in that dress. She took one look and said pregnant. Don't ask me why. She basically said it wasn't fat because if it was, it would also be showing up in her face as well. Ladies?

Myself, I thought she looked hot.

Completely disagree with your wifey. Michelle looks beautiful.

Wifey needs some kissing, imho. The cure-all.

171 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:27:41pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

Full Disclosure: I met Joel Pollack twice in 2010 when he ran for Congress in Illinois's 9th Congressional District (the district in which I live). At the time I was much impressed by him and he did not show the nuttiness we now see out of him. In 2010 I was proud to have voted for him, now I am not (though even if I knew who he really was, I still would have voted for him over Jan Schakowsky).

wait, you met a politician and they put on a show of being really nice and personable?

say it ain't so, joe

172 What, me worry?  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:28:11pm

re: #156 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Not fond of it. The color is great, the cut is fine...EXCEPT..for whatever is going on on the bodice. The wrapping is great, but then we've got that odd Madonna-pointy-boobs thing going on on the front. Fix that, and it's a winner.

Mrs. O herself looks fine and healthy as usual.

I think the camera is just catching her funny... with her arms so rigid. I think it looks amazing.

173 jaunte  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:28:23pm

re: #152 Gus

Each of them arrived with an agenda to turn America into the vision of themselves and the despicable goal of changing America into a European style state of fear and class warfare. Sadly, we see it happening before our very eyes, but we refuse to stand up and make our presence and our voices known.

This is very silly stuff. Maybe a waiter was rude to him this week.

174 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:29:48pm

re: #155 Everybody Look at Your Hands

I like reading this discussion because I want to understand Bell and there's such a one-sided take on him from completely unreliable sources.

Black prejudice against Jews (and vice versa for that matter) always surprises me because I think we have similar cultural experiences. I've always felt we were a good mix.

The acceptance of Farrakhan really puzzles me, though. That he's a preacher and hates so fervently. Muslim or no Muslim. And I don't agree with Jews when they do it either. MLK's message was so different, but for me, he spoke closer to the human condition that went beyond skin color.

Farrakhan's following in the black community is very, very small if for no other reason then most black people are Christians and church going Christians at that. I don't know a single black person who ever talks about Farrakhan except to joke about his belief in UFOs. He may show up at an occasional gathering of black people who talk a lot and have been anointed "black leaders". We don't anoint these people, the media does. There is great admiration for Malcolm X because somebody had to be the bad cop to MLK's good cop. He was flawed and angry, but we love him too. But that has never flowed over to Farrakhan, much to his disappointment. He has become a largely comical figure.

175 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:30:29pm

re: #158 moderatelyradicalliberal

I don't see it, but a little Barack III would be awesome.

Same here. But I am a guy. I think it is a woman thing, but what the hell do I know. If her impression is right, congrats. If not, She still looks hot.

176 What, me worry?  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:30:35pm

re: #162 andres

I'm more keen on how he will explain this to his key voters (Puerto Ricans are quickly increasing in Florida, and obviously Cubans).

Florida has an English as the official language law on the books which blows my fucking mind.

[Link: www.leg.state.fl.us...]

SECTION 9. English is the official language of Florida.—
(a) English is the official language of the State of Florida.
(b) The legislature shall have the power to enforce this section by appropriate legislation.
History.—Proposed by Initiative Petition filed with the Secretary of State August 8, 1988; adopted 1988.

During Governor Bob Martinez' tenure, Florida's first Hispanic governor, no less! But he was a big jerk, too.

177 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:31:37pm

re: #171 windupbird is in the gravity well

wait, you met a politician and they put on a show of being really nice and personable?

say it ain't so, joe

It is what it is, WUB. All I can tell you is what I saw, and how I interpreted it at the time. I sung Joel Pollack's name from the rafters here on LGF in 2010 and I knew that would likely be brought up, if not by a fellow Lizard then by the Stalkers' "Boiler Room Boiling with Butthurt Rage Crew". Best to just disclose right away and get it over with.

178 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:31:56pm

re: #144 Bubblehead II

Just asked my Wife how Michelle looked in that dress. She took one look and said pregnant. Don't ask me why. She basically said it wasn't fat because if it was, it would also be showing up in her face as well. Ladies?

Myself, I thought she looked hot.

Also, too. Stop saying other ladies look hot in front of your wife. Even if it's FLOTUS she may not appreciate it. ;)

179 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:32:08pm

re: #146 Gus

Un-freaking believable. These people are totally insane.

An event took place in 2008 that changed the world we live in. It changed the face of America, it changed the direction of our moral values, it changed how we view the future and how we see ourselves as human beings and it changed the make up of our basic freedoms that we so irreverently tossed aside for entitlement freebies and empty promises by the engineers at the helm.

These people are so full of themselves as future tellers aren't they.

(this is how far I've gotten so far in the rant)

180 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:32:50pm

re: #177 Dark_Falcon

Oh, I don't see that as a problem at all and I doubt anybody does.

181 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:34:11pm

Tonight I'm wondering how crazy these people are gonna get: Sandra Fluke's Boyfriend, Adam “Cutie Pants” Mutterperl, and His Radical Socialist Family.

182 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:34:35pm

re: #180 Freeze Peach

Oh, I don't see that as a problem at all and I doubt anybody does.

Glad to hear it. But I could not be sure of that, and there does remain the matter of the Stalkers. They'll still DERP it up, of course, but I wanted to deny them any grounds with which to call me a liar.

183 BongCrodny  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:34:41pm

re: #146 Gus

Un-freaking believable. These people are totally insane.

[Embedded content]

There's a piece at IMDB from 2008 (originally from a conservative blog) allegedly written by Gerald Molen, the producer, where he predicts the following:

To close my screed, I want to leave you with some JM predictions in the event the junior Senator from Illinois becomes President and especially if the House and Senate are veto proof.

1). Strict new gun laws will be enacted even though he promised he would not.
2). The phrase 'In God We Trust' will be removed from all currency.
3). He will back away from his pledge to Israel and leave them to the wolves of Islam.
4). Hillary Clinton will be named to the Supreme Court.
5). Tax rates will return to their highest levels in 30 years.
6). The capital gains tax will be at least double current levels.
7). Retired Army General Wesley Clark will be named Secretary of Defense.
8). The borders will be 'basically open' to all comers. Especially those from the Middle East and South America.
9). Amnesty will be granted to all illegals (sic) now in the U.S regardless of status or even gang members (MS-13).
and
10). The war in Iraq will be brought to an abrupt end and the results will be tragic and the consequences to our military will be devastating.

Zero for ten. Fellow wingnuts would be proud, Mr. Molen.

Gerald Molen Predicts Things!

184 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:35:25pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

Tonight I'm wondering how crazy these people are gonna get: Sandra Fluke's Boyfriend, Adam “Cutie Pants” Mutterperl, and His Radical Socialist Family.

[headdesk]

185 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:35:29pm

re: #178 moderatelyradicalliberal

Great dress, necklace is a busy mess. Color matches too well, contrast is better. ... ... IMO (Well Dragon_Lady IMO)

186 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:35:46pm

OSCAR-WINNING PRODUCER OF 'SCHINDLER'S LIST' SLAMS OBAMA, SALUTES BREITBART

Read the whole thing. What a humongous fucktard. Hopefully he's like 80.

187 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:35:53pm

re: #183 BongCrodny

Somebody: MAKE A PAGE!

188 What, me worry?  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:35:59pm

re: #178 moderatelyradicalliberal

Also, too. Stop saying other ladies look hot in front of your wife. Even if it's FLOTUS she may not appreciate it. ;)

For those marrieds who talk about their "lists" (which is usually acceptable because of being really unobtainable), FLOTUS is a-ok :>

189 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:37:03pm

re: #188 Everybody Look at Your Hands

For those marrieds who talk about their "lists" (which is usually acceptable because of being really unobtainable), FLOTUS is a-ok :>

I guess so. It's not like you could get past the Secret Service. Hell they might shot you for eyeballing her.

190 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:37:32pm

re: #186 No Spanish in PR, you IDIOTS

OSCAR-WINNING PRODUCER OF 'SCHINDLER'S LIST' SLAMS OBAMA, SALUTES BREITBART

Read the whole thing. What a humongous fucktard. Hopefully he's like 80.

We need a link.

191 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:37:37pm

re: #178 moderatelyradicalliberal

Also, too. Stop saying other ladies look hot in front of your wife. Even if it's FLOTUS she may not appreciate it. ;)

It's OK to comment on the beauty of another woman as long as it's followed by a heartfelt comment about your wife's beauty.

Even after 35 years, my wife's eyes still cause me to melt.

192 jaunte  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:37:37pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

"...anyone familiar with Boston and New York political history knows about the wealthy Mutterperl family’s long tradition of supporting the typical Jewish variant of socialism."

Nice. Maybe they'll call them 'rootless cosmopolitans' next.

193 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:39:00pm

re: #190 moderatelyradicalliberal

We need a link.

Here you go.

194 Lidane  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:39:08pm

re: #189 moderatelyradicalliberal

I guess so. It's not like you could get past the Secret Service.

Not only that, but I'm pretty sure the POTUS would have a say in the matter. Heh.

They're a striking couple, but methinks anyone trying to hit that in either direction would be in for a world of tax audits and misery. Haha.

195 jamesfirecat  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:39:15pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

Tonight I'm wondering how crazy these people are gonna get: Sandra Fluke's Boyfriend, Adam “Cutie Pants” Mutterperl, and His Radical Socialist Family.

///Don't forget to bring up how he's a sex freak who wants it so often that his girlfriend needs to spend $3,000 a year on contraceptives!

196 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:39:17pm

re: #183 BongCrodny

There's a piece at IMDB from 2008 allegedly written by Gerald Molen, the producer (originally from a conservative blog), where he predicts the following:

Zero for ten. Fellow wingnuts would be proud, Mr. Molen.

Gerald Molen Predicts Things!

He sounds none too bright.

197 BongCrodny  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:39:57pm

re: #187 Freeze Peach

Somebody: MAKE A PAGE!

Never done one before, but if somebody wants to do the honors, I'm all for it. That's some stupid-ass shit there.

198 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:40:06pm

re: #192 jaunte

Nice. Maybe they'll call them 'rootless cosmopolitans' next.

Nein. Luftmenchen ist besser, ja?

199 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:40:25pm

re: #178 moderatelyradicalliberal

Also, too. Stop saying other ladies look hot in front of your wife. Even if it's FLOTUS she may not appreciate it. ;)

If I did that that She would A. check my pulse and then B. Check my eyes.

I am allowed to look/comment (as is She) but not touch. That is one reason why tomorrow will mark our 28th year together.

200 Kragar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:40:48pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

Tonight I'm wondering how crazy these people are gonna get: Sandra Fluke's Boyfriend, Adam “Cutie Pants” Mutterperl, and His Radical Socialist Family.

Next, an in depth study of Sandra Fluke's 9th grade civics teacher!!!
/

201 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:41:49pm

re: #199 Bubblehead II

If I did that that She would A. check my pulse and then B. Check my eyes.

I am allowed to look/comment (as is She) but not touch. That is one reason why tomorrow will mark our 28th year together.

Congratulations. My parents will hit 34 years in June.

202 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:42:15pm

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

Here you go.

Thanks.

203 BongCrodny  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:42:19pm

On second thought, maybe it's not such a good idea. The guy who posted it at IMDB couldn't confirm that it was Molen who wrote it. My guess is based on the language, syntax and (*cough*) ideas, it was Molen, but it's hearsay.

204 jaunte  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:42:52pm

Breitbart.com still flatlining: [Link: www.quantcast.com...]

205 Kragar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:43:41pm

re: #192 jaunte

"...anyone familiar with Boston and New York political history knows about the wealthy Mutterperl family’s long tradition of supporting the typical Jewish variant of socialism."

They really don't understand the whole antisemitism thing, do they?

206 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:43:54pm

re: #199 Bubblehead II

If I did that that She would A. check my pulse and then B. Check my eyes.

I am allowed to look/comment (as is She) but not touch. That is one reason why tomorrow will mark our 28th year together.

Congrats. Getting that far takes some hard work and dedication.

207 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:45:15pm

So this showed-up on my fb news feed.

Really?

Someone things they can draw conclusions about anything from this video? (other than the guy questioning Chris Rock is an a**)

208 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:45:46pm

re: #199 Bubblehead II

If I did that that She would A. check my pulse and then B. Check my eyes.

I am allowed to look/comment (as is She) but not touch. That is one reason why tomorrow will mark our 28th year together.

Hey just about the same as D_L and I. Congrats on keeping it together.

209 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:46:08pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

Tonight I'm wondering how crazy these people are gonna get: Sandra Fluke's Boyfriend, Adam “Cutie Pants” Mutterperl, and His Radical Socialist Family.

Some of his other "work".

[Link: brooksbayne.com...]

Note the image used.

210 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:46:59pm

re: #187 Freeze Peach

Somebody: MAKE A PAGE!

Done.

211 What, me worry?  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:48:12pm

re: #186 No Spanish in PR, you IDIOTS

OSCAR-WINNING PRODUCER OF 'SCHINDLER'S LIST' SLAMS OBAMA, SALUTES BREITBART

Read the whole thing. What a humongous fucktard. Hopefully he's like 80.

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

Here you go.

Someone needs to tell him it's actually getting much better.

212 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:48:40pm

re: #209 Gus

Some of his other "work".

[Link: brooksbayne.com...]

Note the image used.

Another one:

[Link: brooksbayne.com...]

213 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:49:44pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

Tonight I'm wondering how crazy these people are gonna get: Sandra Fluke's Boyfriend, Adam “Cutie Pants” Mutterperl, and His Radical Socialist Family.

OFFS.

Who's talking about "Anti-Semitism" now?

That page took about a thousand hours to load, and then when it did I thought I was like on freaking Stormfront. W.T.F.

214 jaunte  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:50:24pm

re: #212 Gus

He claims to be a "satirist."

215 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:50:27pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

Tonight I'm wondering how crazy these people are gonna get: Sandra Fluke's Boyfriend, Adam “Cutie Pants” Mutterperl, and His Radical Socialist Family.

Now that's what real anti-sememtism looks like:

Because anyone familiar with Boston and New York political history knows about the wealthy Mutterperl family’s long tradition of supporting the typical Jewish variant of socialism.

...

I wonder if Adam has ever been to a kibbutz.

...

This school, as some people call it, is named for Louis Brandeis, a secular Jew, Zionist, and United States Supreme Court Justice appointed by Woodrow Wilson.

...

Sol was also supportive of unions and was the Director of the United Jewish Appeal (now The Jewish Federations of North America) a Jewish “social” organization. From the JFNA website:

The Federation movement, collectively among the top 10 charities on the continent, protects and enhances the well-being of Jews worldwide through the values of tikkun olam (repairing the world), tzedakah (charity and social justice) and Torah (Jewish learning).

There’s that “social justice” code word again. Jewish Socialism is linked to a very progressive concept of the above tikkun olam. New Bedford, MA, where Raphael Mutterperl ran the family’s manufacturing arm, was a hotbed of Marxist trade-unionism in early 20th century America. Why? It was easy to “sell” radical trade-unionism to a whole people group who were brought up in the lap of Weimar Marxian ideology, because New Bedford had many new eastern-European Jewish immigrants living there at the time, including, of course, the Mutterperl family.

...

In addition to the Mutterperl’s extensive history within the Jewish socialist activist/political world, and their generational wealth, they’re still doing what they can to help the 99%.

...

Her boyfriend, Adam Mutterperl, is the son of one of the most well-connected leftist Jewish families on the East Coast (add the West Coast to that, apparently), with ties to neo-Marxist Brandeis University as decades old donors… and whose father, Bill Mutterperl, worked directly for Paul Volcker, one of Obama’s pals, advisors, and Keynesian “stimulus” bill architects. Yet, we’re supposed to believe that this just boils down to a poor girl needing us to “subsidize” her birth control. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!

...

Either way, Sandra’s connection to this particular Jewish-American socialist dynasty is a “little” secret that they don’t want you to know.

...

Oh, as a complete aside, check out Adam’s grandpappy, Martin Mutterperl, hanging out with Cass Sunstein’s, (another Obama appointee, Regulatory Czarina, and overall radical leftist) great-uncle, Alexander Cass Sunstein, and Samuel “Subway Sam” Rosoff, the guy who killed one of his detractors over a labor union spat, in Palm Beach back in 1965, at the Ambassador Hotel (see: photo below). Purely coincidence, I’m sure, since they’re all associated with Marxists, socialists, and trade-unionists of Eastern-European, Jewish, descent.

216 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:51:45pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

Tonight I'm wondering how crazy these people are gonna get: Sandra Fluke's Boyfriend, Adam “Cutie Pants” Mutterperl, and His Radical Socialist Family.

Fearless Pajamahadeen exposes a Judeobolshevik! //

Srsly, what's wrong with that guy (or whoever that is)?

217 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:51:50pm

I think we have the makings of a page on "satirist" Brooks Bayne? No? Yes? Maybe?

218 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:51:53pm

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

Thanks D_F!

219 Mocking Jay  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:52:11pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

Tonight I'm wondering how crazy these people are gonna get: Sandra Fluke's Boyfriend, Adam “Cutie Pants” Mutterperl, and His Radical Socialist Family.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE???

220 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:52:35pm

re: #215 goddamnedfrank

Now that's what real anti-sememtism looks like:

There’s that “social justice” code word again. Jewish Socialism is linked to a very progressive concept of the above tikkun olam. New Bedford, MA, where Raphael Mutterperl ran the family’s manufacturing arm, was a hotbed of Marxist trade-unionism in early 20th century America. Why? It was easy to “sell” radical trade-unionism to a whole people group who were brought up in the lap of Weimar Marxian ideology, because New Bedford had many new eastern-European Jewish immigrants living there at the time, including, of course, the Mutterperl family.

Who IS this guy, freaking Taki?

221 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:52:50pm

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

OK, I actually meant a page on his failed 10 2008 predictions.

222 jaunte  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:53:04pm

re: #216 Freeze Peach

Fearless Pajamahadeen exposes a Judeobolshevik! //

Srsly, what's wrong with that guy (or whoever that is)?

He'll do anything for attention:
[Link: twitter.com...]

223 Lidane  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:53:32pm

re: #219 Meh.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE???

Black man with an African name got elected President. Whatever remained of their sanity snapped.

224 Kragar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:53:51pm

re: #219 Meh.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE???

Well, for starters, they think a healthy sex life is something to be ashamed of, and thats only if you believe the lies they're spreading in the first place.

225 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:54:39pm

re: #213 Learned Mother of Zion

Response from the Mrs Mutterperl: "Hey honey, it says we're well-connected! I need new shoes."

226 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:54:46pm

Hmm. Proceed with caution.

227 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:55:02pm

re: #217 Gus

I think we have the makings of a page on "satirist" Brooks Bayne? No? Yes? Maybe?

Not sure. Depends on how popular he is among the right. We wouldn't want an unrepresentative loner to paint a picture of the right ;)

228 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:55:39pm

re: #206 My Name is Muerte!

Congrats. Getting that far takes some hard work and dedication.

I wouldn't say it was hard work. Just a willingness to understanding each others needs. Yes it was bumpy and sometimes rocky at first, but we both learned how to negotiate and reach a common ground. As for dedication, well there are not many things I would refuse Her, without a damn good reason.

229 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:56:29pm

Wait a second, are we using anti-semetism as a cudgel this week or are we saying what we really think?

230 BongCrodny  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:57:31pm

re: #221 Freeze Peach

OK, I actually meant a page on his failed 10 2008 predictions.

I'd caution against it. I found the piece at IMDB, but it looks to be one of those unverifiable "passed along the internet" things. It could very well be legit, but I haven't found the original source.

The style of writing seems similar to the Breitbart piece, but without stronger verification, I dunno.

231 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:57:36pm

re: #227 Freeze Peach

Not sure. Depends on how popular he is among the right. We wouldn't want unrepresentative loner to paint a picture of the right ;)

He's definitely a wingnut. You'll like this one:

[Link: brooksbayne.com...]

232 What, me worry?  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:57:39pm

re: #195 jamesfirecat

///Don't forget to bring up how he's a sex freak who wants it so often that his girlfriend needs to spend $3,000 a year on contraceptives!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in that little screed, he blames uber-socialist Brandeis University... on Sandra Fluke?

I'm confused.

The Mutterperl family, via Adam’s great grandfather Sol’s handbag fortune, established the “Mutterperl Scholarship Endowment Fund” in 1951 for Brandeis University. This school, as some people call it, is named for Louis Brandeis, a secular Jew, Zionist, and United States Supreme Court Justice appointed by Woodrow Wilson. Brandeis was a self-proclaimed socialist. Herbert Marcuse, the famous Frankfurt School Marxist, came to Brandeis in 1954, three years after the Mutterperl fund was created. Brandeis University is one of the nation’s leading petri dishes for anti-American and neo-Marxist thought. Here’s the statement from the Brandeis bulletin about the Mutterperl fund:

Those damn Jewish, SECULAR (the religious ones are the REAL ones, you know, those Sephardic, not those nasty Ashkenazi) Socialist, Zionist, Democrat pig-dogs are all evil.

Whoa.

233 jaunte  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:57:47pm

re: #227 Freeze Peach

Reading his twitter timeline, it looks like he's trying to be offensive to as many different people as possible, to get a reaction.

234 Lidane  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:58:33pm

OT, but I'm streaming the new Springsteen album on Spotify. Awesome as usual.

Hopefully I win tickets to his SXSW show. That would rule.

235 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:59:25pm

re: #215 goddamnedfrank

I love how they vacillate between how they're rich capitalists and frenzied reds inciting the workers.

Which is it? Are they part of the Jewish Banking Elite or the Jewish Bolshevik Conspiracy?

I'm still making my mind up on which to join.

236 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:59:40pm
Chris Loesch @ChrisLoesch

@thekytikat She won't apologize because it's cool and edgy to be an anti-Semitic leftist right now.

Is that right, Mr. Loesch?

237 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:00:42pm

re: #199 Bubblehead II

If I did that that She would A. check my pulse and then B. Check my eyes.

I am allowed to look/comment (as is She) but not touch. That is one reason why tomorrow will mark our 28th year together.

Huge congrats on your anniversary BBHII

238 Mocking Jay  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:00:52pm

re: #235 Obdicut

I love how they vacillate between how they're rich capitalists and frenzied reds inciting the workers.

Which is it? Are they part of the Jewish Banking Elite or the Jewish Bolshevik Conspiracy?

I'm still making my mind up on which to join.

Doesn't matter. They both get Soros checks.

239 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:01:21pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

Tonight I'm wondering how crazy these people are gonna get: Sandra Fluke's Boyfriend, Adam “Cutie Pants” Mutterperl, and His Radical Socialist Family.

Because anyone familiar with Boston and New York political history knows about the wealthy Mutterperl family’s long tradition of supporting the typical Jewish variant of socialism.

loovely

240 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:01:26pm

Fuggit.

241 What, me worry?  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:01:46pm

re: #223 Lidane

Black man with an African name got elected President. Whatever remained of their sanity snapped.

LOL Tigers and Blacks and Jews, OH MY!

242 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:04:13pm

Mutterperl family’s long tradition of supporting the typical

i can think of some of our typical jewish expressions that i would like to apply to this momzer

243 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:05:38pm

re: #242 engineer cat

Mutterperl family’s long tradition of supporting the typical

i can think of some of our typical jewish expressions that i would like to apply to this momzer

Er zol vakhsen azoy vee a tzibbele, mit'n kup in der erd un di fiss in der hoyach.

244 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:05:43pm
245 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:06:03pm

re: #242 engineer cat

I like this bit:

if you’re so connected to the Mutterperl family, Sandra, why not go to Brandeis, a school much more aligned with your worldview, instead of Georgetown University, a Catholic Jesuit school?

A) The insinuating that Jews and Jew-lovers should stay away from decent Catholics.

B) The complete ignorance that Catholicism is pretty anti-capitalist.

246 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:06:33pm

K, I'm out. I paid for the re-run of walking dead and it was so freaking good I'm watching again. Lovely dreams for me. And for you too I hope.

247 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:07:20pm

Help me, Lizards.

I'm doing more research. Anyone remember the site for that poster graphic of taxes, they had one for population , I think, too.

I'm trying to find or create a graphic showing the vast difference in population between 1950 and 2012 in both the world and the us.

Some of the people I know don't seem to get the sheer number of humans that have to be maintained if we really, really want a peaceful world.

Thanks!

248 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:07:49pm

re: #243 Learned Mother of Zion

Er zol vakhsen azoy vee a tzibbele, mit'n kup in der erd un di fiss in der hoyach.

heh

i had that in mind, but i must say your mamaloschen is better than mine

249 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:08:42pm

re: #242 engineer cat

Mutterperl family’s long tradition of supporting the typical

i can think of some of our typical jewish expressions that i would like to apply to this momzer

Goat fucker glosses amazingly well cross-culturally.

250 Lidane  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:09:55pm

re: #243 Learned Mother of Zion

Er zol vakhsen azoy vee a tzibbele, mit'n kup in der erd un di fiss in der hoyach.

Can I get a translation, please? I have no idea what that says. :)

251 BongCrodny  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:10:35pm

re: #249 The Ghost of a Flea

Goat fucker glosses amazing well cross-culturally.

"...but do they call me MacPherson, the boat builder? They do not!"

252 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:11:11pm

re: #250 Lidane

Can I get a translation, please? I have no idea what that says. :)

he should swell up like an onion, with his head in the ground and his foot in a hole

a favorite curse

253 Kragar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:11:50pm

re: #244 Gus

His grandmother would probably want to have a few words with him.

254 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:12:10pm

re: #222 jaunte

He'll do anything for attention:
[Link: twitter.com...]

He's not the sharpest thinker I've read.

4. Obama stood oblivious to the fact that plank #2 of “The Communist Manifesto” is “a heavy progressive or graduated income tax”, and by pointing it out, he proved Teddy Roosevelt was supportive of communist ideology. Sadly, all the Obama supporters who laughed, proved that they too don’t know history.

[Link: thegraph.com...]

Apparently he doesn't understand logic terribly well and has no problem with affirming the consequent:
If you are a communist you must accept graduated income tax ≡ If you accept graduated income tax you are necessarily a communist.

He also conflates Socialism with Communism and by proxy with totalitarianism.

255 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:12:51pm

re: #243 Learned Mother of Zion

Er zol vakhsen azoy vee a tzibbele, mit'n kup in der erd un di fiss in der hoyach.

Something with him needing to grow up like an onion, head in the earth, feet in the air?

256 freetoken  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:12:59pm

re: #247 ggt

I don't know the site to which you are referring. However, there are a multitude of sites which have authoritative data and graphs on these subjects, such as the Census, the Fed, Treasury, etc.

257 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:13:32pm

re: #252 engineer cat

he should swell up like an onion, with his head in the ground and his foot in a hole air

a favorite curse

corrected

258 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:14:18pm

re: #244 Gus

Is he Jewish?

259 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:15:01pm

re: #244 Gus

It's not antisemitic if you only heap ugly stereotypes on Jews you disagree with.

260 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:16:32pm

re: #249 The Ghost of a Flea

Goat fucker glosses amazingly well cross-culturally.

Tzig shtupper

261 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:16:50pm

re: #244 Gus

He's not his grandmother, and he likely views his grandmother as a relative first and a Jew second (If that was his point).

262 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:17:21pm

re: #252 engineer cat

he should swell up grow like an onion, with his head in the ground and his feet in the air.

a favorite curse

ftfy

263 freetoken  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:17:23pm

re: #254 My Name is Muerte!

That site probably has plenty of creationists too. More than one author there so it's hard to tell if they are all creationists.

Oh, look:

6. Socialism opposes parental rights in education
Socialism has the State, and not parents, control the education of children. Almost from birth, children are to be handed over to public institutions, where they will be taught what the State wants, regardless of parental views. Evolution must be taught. School prayer must be forbidden.

264 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:18:01pm

re: #258 Freeze Peach

Is he Jewish?

Nah. He's Moron.

//

265 What, me worry?  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:18:19pm

re: #215 goddamnedfrank

re: #261 My Name is Muerte!

He's not his grandmother, and he likely views his grandmother as a relative first and a Jew second (If that was his point).

Granny would be proud of that??

266 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:18:41pm

re: #247 ggt

Help me, Lizards.

I'm doing more research. Anyone remember the site for that poster graphic of taxes, they had one for population , I think, too.

I'm trying to find or create a graphic showing the vast difference in population between 1950 and 2012 in both the world and the us.

Some of the people I know don't seem to get the sheer number of humans that have to be maintained if we really, really want a peaceful world.

Thanks!

The graph is non-linear, big time.

267 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:19:27pm

my great grandma lena personally imported her favorite curse all the way from lithuania, which involved calling down a 'cholera' on someone's head, hands and feet, and entire life and living

268 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:19:29pm

re: #265 Everybody Look at Your Hands

re: #261 My Name is Muerte!

Granny would be proud of that??

If he was my grandson I would kick his ass.

269 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:20:02pm

re: #263 freetoken

That site probably has plenty of creationists too. More than one author there so it's hard to tell if they are all creationists.

Oh, look:

Damn creationists insist on trying to piggyback their pet cause onto other issues, and all they do is make the argument they latch themselves onto look stupid.

270 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:20:50pm

Really? His defense is that his grandma is Jewish? That's all? Does he also have Jewish friends? /

271 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:21:19pm

My favorite Yiddish word is "umgebroizelt." It means to walk around in a seething rage, all the time.

272 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:21:26pm

re: #248 engineer cat

heh

i had that in mind, but i must say your mamaloschen is better than mine


What a great word!

“Everything tells me that the world would be an exquisite place to live were everyone able to respond to life as Jesus did. I call that 'mama-loshen.' That is a Yiddish word meaning straight talk mixed with common sense. Actually it goes deeper than that. 'Mama-loshen' is the understanding that comes when one's common sense derives as much from the soul as the mind. The Sermon on the Mount is simple mama-loshen. And anything that ain't mama-loshen doesn't square with my religious sensibilities.”

- Norman Lear

273 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:21:38pm

re: #270 Freeze Peach

Really? His defense is that his grandma is Jewish? That's all? Does he also have Jewish friends? /

I'll bet he even lets them use his bathroom.

274 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:21:58pm

re: #261 My Name is Muerte!

He's not his grandmother, and he likely views his grandmother as a relative first and a Jew second (If that was his point).

The hot new trend in responsibility deflection: is the Jewish grandmother the new Black Friend?

Color me jaded, but every racist I know in my hometown points to one or two black folks as "the good ones" and leverages that as an excuse to say stupid, bigoted things about every other black person...who, not being one of the "good ones" get n-bombed.

Same shit different context. What a coward and a goat fucker.

275 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:23:16pm

I am Mother of Zion, Vicious Babushka, Destroyer of Stereotypes!

276 Mocking Jay  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:23:35pm

re: #271 Learned Mother of Zion

My favorite Yiddish word is "umgebroizelt." It means to walk around in a seething rage, all the time.

We have a word for that too.

"Freeper."

277 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:23:38pm

re: #256 freetoken

I don't know the site to which you are referring. However, there are a multitude of sites which have authoritative data and graphs on these subjects, such as the Census, the Fed, Treasury, etc.

Thanks, I got the data from the Census, then remember the info graphic someone linked a little while ago. Oh Wait!, I think I actually bought the poster. I'll have to look around.

(Little Gray Cells seem to be recycling thru the same thoughts lately)

278 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:23:38pm
279 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:23:41pm

re: #73 Freeze Peach

Sergey, permission received:

Hi Tom - That sounds great. I hope it help move a good discussion along. All best, Kathy

280 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:23:44pm

re: #244 Gus

haha! now they're calling me a jew hater? wait... you pro-palestinian goofs are calling *me* a jew hater?! my grandmother disagrees.
— brooks bayne (@brooksbayne) March 15, 2012

Bobby Fischer, check mate.

281 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:24:11pm

re: #279 Obdicut

Please post ;)

282 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:25:02pm

re: #263 freetoken

That site probably has plenty of creationists too. More than one author there so it's hard to tell if they are all creationists.

Oh, look:

You know, I'm beginning to think the fear of Socialism is really a fear of Tyranny. Have there been any historical examples of the evils of which we think of as Socialism without Tyranny?

Stalin, Pol Pot, etc . . .

283 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:25:42pm

re: #281 Freeze Peach

What, the original article? I don't have it to hand, and I really need to get to bed. If you give me a link to it I'll do a page tomorrow, I'm too sleepified tonight.

284 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:25:54pm

re: #271 Learned Mother of Zion

My favorite Yiddish word is "umgebroizelt." It means to walk around in a seething rage, all the time.

one of my favorites is "farblunjet" - lost and confused

i worked with a fellow pgmr from india once, who picked up enough yiddish over here to tell me one day 'the GUI is farblunjet but the lookup is ganz ferkakt'

285 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:27:00pm

re: #282 ggt

Have there been any historical examples of the evils of which we think of as Socialism without Tyranny?

Bee hive? Ant colony? I'm stumped.

286 Mocking Jay  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:27:55pm

re: #282 ggt

You know, I'm beginning to think the fear of Socialism is really a fear of Tyranny. Have there been any historical examples of the evils of which we think of as Socialism without Tyranny?

Stalin, Pol Pot, etc . . .

The NFL...

287 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:28:15pm

re: #282 ggt

Well, the 'evils' of socialism are of course going to be tyranny. But places like Norway are often self-referred to as socialist, and they're quite nice.

288 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:28:57pm

re: #283 Obdicut

Oh, I can get the whole article too, but I think the excerpts above, and specifically the footnote are more than enough - the rest goes into other areas. I said above that this is up for grabs since I won't page it - so if you can post it with your thoughts, or maybe b_sharp will do it, it's all fine - the info will be out there.

289 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:29:17pm

I really like the word "shit".

I sounds most appropriate in any language in which it is said.

290 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:29:32pm

re: #282 ggt

You know, I'm beginning to think the fear of Socialism is really a fear of Tyranny. Have there been any historical examples of the evils of which we think of as Socialism without Tyranny?

Stalin, Pol Pot, etc . . .

Stalin and Pol Pot were Communists, not Socialists. Much more concerned with what they thought of as results, with no concern for actual people at all.

291 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:29:38pm

re: #282 ggt

Oh, and the Mondragon Corporation.

292 sagehen  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:29:45pm

re: #282 ggt

You know, I'm beginning to think the fear of Socialism is really a fear of Tyranny. Have there been any historical examples of the evils of which we think of as Socialism without Tyranny?

Stalin, Pol Pot, etc . . .

Israel is pretty socialist...

293 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:29:48pm

re: #271 Learned Mother of Zion

My favorite Yiddish word is "umgebroizelt." It means to walk around in a seething rage, all the time.

I love it when another language (than English) so perfectly articulates an complex, yet whole, idea with a word. And Yiddish is fantastic. I never stop encountering words and phrases that I desperately want to incorporate into my personal lexicon...case in point, umgebroizelt....

294 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:30:01pm

re: #288 Freeze Peach

Sure, I'll do it tommorrow with some notes unless b_sharp gets to it first.

295 Mocking Jay  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:30:21pm

re: #289 ggt

I really like the word "shit".

I sounds most appropriate in any language in which it is said.

I'm still a fan of "defenestrate."

296 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:30:55pm

re: #294 Obdicut

Thank you!

297 prairiefire  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:31:03pm

re: #185 Daniel Ballard

Great dress, necklace is a busy mess. Color matches too well, contrast is better. ... ... IMO (Well Dragon_Lady IMO)

But then she doesn't "steal the stage." She's always favored heavy necklaces. I am so proud of the pair of them!!!

298 What, me worry?  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:31:05pm

Who knew Obama's election would pull out the inner racist in these fools.

299 freetoken  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:31:13pm

BTW, if this is the same "Brooks Bayne" (and I think it is), then he seems to have a thing for guys in strange and revealing costumes:

[Link: brooksbayne.wordpress.com...]

300 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:31:25pm

re: #293 The Ghost of a Flea

Well, on that note, I'm going to bed, because je suis absolument crevé.

301 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:32:41pm

re: #287 Obdicut

Well, the 'evils' of socialism are of course going to be tyranny. But places like Norway are often self-referred to as socialist, and they're quite nice.

Exactly!

I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea that somehow "some people" think we can manage to remain a relatively peaceful world with the sheer numbers of humans on the planet WITHOUT socialistic thinking.

People are hungry AND free simply will not be peaceful.

302 sagehen  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:33:04pm

re: #293 The Ghost of a Flea

I love it when another language (than English) so perfectly articulates an complex, yet whole, idea with a word. And Yiddish is fantastic. I never stop encountering words and phrases that I desperately want to incorporate into my personal lexicon...case in point, umgebroizelt...

Try to find a way to work "machetaynischter" into a conversation, no other language has a word for that relationship (your offspring's spouse's parents are your machetaynischters. They're inferior of course, you're a far better in-law to their child than they are to yours. You're also a much better grandparent than they are.)

303 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:33:12pm

re: #282 ggt

You know, I'm beginning to think the fear of Socialism is really a fear of Tyranny. Have there been any historical examples of the evils of which we think of as Socialism without Tyranny?

Stalin, Pol Pot, etc . . .

that depends partly on whether we use the dictionary definition of socialism as 'a form of economic organization where the government owns and operates all major industries' or the wingnut definition of 'gummint gave my tax money to help somebody i don't like'

304 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:33:49pm

re: #295 Meh.

I'm still a fan of "defenestrate."

Works for me... [Dark_Falcon throws Meh out the window.] :D

305 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:34:00pm

re: #295 Meh.

I'm still a fan of "defenestrate."

take away the windows?

306 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:34:10pm

re: #282 ggt

You know, I'm beginning to think the fear of Socialism is really a fear of Tyranny. Have there been any historical examples of the evils of which we think of as Socialism without Tyranny?

Stalin, Pol Pot, etc . . .

The state government in Andra Pradesh, India might count.

Addendum: for that matter, just after Partition most of federal government of India, including Nehru, was socialist.

I'm not sure anyone has really pulled off Marxism without tyranny, though.

307 What, me worry?  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:34:35pm

re: #299 freetoken

BTW, if this is the same "Brooks Bayne" (and I think it is), then he seems to have a thing for guys in strange and revealing costumes:

[Link: brooksbayne.wordpress.com...]

!!!

308 Mocking Jay  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:35:11pm

re: #305 ggt

take away the windows?

Close. To push someone out of one,

309 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:35:44pm

re: #282 ggt

You know, I'm beginning to think the fear of Socialism is really a fear of Tyranny. Have there been any historical examples of the evils of which we think of as Socialism without Tyranny?

Stalin, Pol Pot, etc . . .

Socialism is not totalitarian, whereas Communism in the form it has appeared has been. Socialism can be considered a democratic Statism and we haven't seen pure versions of that in real life yet, so we haven't seen Socialism with tyranny yet.

It's only when you conflate Communism, as it has been manifested, with Socialism that Socialism can be linked to tyranny.

We live in a moderate Socialist state now. Think military, police, fire fighters, subways,...

310 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:36:11pm

Communism/socialism/ ---

Collectivism.

The problem I seem to have with "some ideas people have" is that they call Obama a socialist. AND . . .

I'm not seeing the gulags or mass starvation that historically I think of when I think of collectivism.

The absence of a tyrant (totalitarian system) seems to be the difference.

311 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:37:13pm

re: #299 freetoken

BTW, if this is the same "Brooks Bayne" (and I think it is), then he seems to have a thing for guys in strange and revealing costumes:

[Link: brooksbayne.wordpress.com...]

Here he uses a pic of a pimp when describing black Obama voters.

Here when he says Obama is articulate he adds "O.J. is black and articulate too."

312 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:38:19pm

Just in case Bayne decides to delete his page: [Link: www.webcitation.org...]

313 Lidane  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:38:30pm

Heh:

314 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:39:06pm

re: #294 Obdicut

Sure, I'll do it tommorrow with some notes unless b_sharp gets to it first.

I'm hitting the sack right away because I have a long day ahead of me tomorrow. If you haven't gotten to it by tomorrow night I'll put it up.

315 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:39:47pm

re: #309 My Name is Muerte!

Socialism is not totalitarian, whereas Communism in the form it has appeared has been. Socialism can be considered a democratic Statism and we haven't seen pure versions of that in real life yet, so we haven't seen Socialism with tyranny yet.

It's only when you conflate Communism, as it has been manifested, with Socialism that Socialism can be linked to tyranny.

We live in a moderate Socialist state now. Think military, police, fire fighters, subways,...

As economic systems --we have a mixed economy --right?

Here is where we can get into the nitty gritty of terminology --what is an economic system, political system, etc.

I am trying to work with perceptions. (perceptions and logic of the fox news listeners in my life) Not necessarily dictionary or scholarly definitions.

Socialism = Bad
WHY? = mass death
mass death = tyranny

We do have many socialist systems in this country, what we don't have is a tyrant; therefore, no mass death.

Help me out here. Where is the hole in my logic.

316 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:40:45pm

re: #309 My Name is Muerte!

Socialism is not totalitarian, whereas Communism in the form it has appeared has been. Socialism can be considered a democratic Statism and we haven't seen pure versions of that in real life yet, so we haven't seen Socialism with tyranny yet.

It's only when you conflate Communism, as it has been manifested, with Socialism that Socialism can be linked to tyranny.

We live in a moderate Socialist state now. Think military, police, fire fighters, subways,...

if you define socialism the way it's usually used in this country these days, it applies more or less to every government that's ever existed since the beginning of history

317 freetoken  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:41:06pm

re: #311 Gus

We're assuming it is the same "Brooks Bayne" aka "Wolfsbayne" aka "Shaun Nichols", but all indications are that it is.

Yeah, he's just another wingnut pulling out all the usual stops, which unfortunately no longer work as "stops".

318 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:41:17pm

Mentioned here:

@brooksbayne: if u have the stomach 4 killing unborn babies, don't pretend that a few oil-covered birds is the end of the world. #tcot

319 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:41:17pm
320 jaunte  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:41:19pm

re: #311 Gus

Check out his Alexa stats:

There are 2,713,469 sites with a better three-month global Alexa traffic rank than Thegraph.com. The fraction of visits to the site referred by search engines is about 10%. Visitors to the site view an average of 1.1 unique pages per day. About 91% of visits to Thegraph.com are bounces (one pageview only). Visitors to the site spend about two minutes on each pageview and a total of two minutes on the site during each visit.

Top Search Queries for Thegraph.com
Query Percent of Search Traffic
1 hitler unions 21.44%
2 unions hitler 10.82%
3 dr seuss political cartoons 9.43%
4 hitler for the unions 3.92%
5 dr seuss political cartoons and how 3.23%
6 the graph 3.19%
7 political cartoons - dr. seuss

Based on internet averages, thegraph.com is visited more frequently by users who are in the age range 45-54, received some college education and browse this site from home.
[Link: www.alexa.com...]

321 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:42:16pm

For communists socialism is the last step towards communism, so all communists are certainly socialists. They don't exhaust the set of all socialists, of course.

322 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:43:37pm

re: #321 Freeze Peach

For communists socialism is a last step towards communism, so all communists are certainly socialists. They don't exhaust the set of all socialists, of course.

iirc the soviet union considered that it was a socialist state trying to 'build communism' but never quite got there

323 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:43:49pm

ahhh, I have to deal with the dogs.

Which is certainly easier than communicating with the fox news drones in my life.

One actually told me today that the country was just fine in 1850. I said, "oh, yeah, women couldn't vote and there was slavery."

324 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:44:37pm

re: #320 jaunte

Check put his Alexa stats:

Dr. Suess's Hitler Unions.

325 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:44:44pm

In a strict sense --

is "Equality under the Law "

a democratic or socialist concept?

off to deal with the dogs

bbiab

326 Mocking Jay  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:45:05pm

re: #323 ggt

ahhh, I have to deal with the dogs.

Which is certainly easier than communicating with the fox news drones in my life.

One actually told me today that the country was just fine in 1850. I said, "oh, yeah, women couldn't vote and there was slavery."

Wasn't smallpox awesome though?

327 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:45:37pm

re: #322 engineer cat

iirc the soviet union considered that it was a socialist state trying to 'build communism' but never quite got there

Sure. One should distinguish communism as an end goal and communism as an ideology of moving towards that end goal. The former can never happen, since a true communist society is an utopia. But while communists move towards communism, they're still socialists.

328 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:45:58pm

re: #326 Meh.

Wasn't smallpox awesome though?

polio, infant and maternal death, tooth decay . . it was just awesome!

329 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:46:23pm

re: #327 Freeze Peach

Uh, former I mean.

330 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:47:16pm

re: #315 ggt

I am trying to work with perceptions. (perceptions and logic of the fox news listeners in my life) Not necessarily dictionary or scholarly definitions.

Just copy, paste, print, and hand out the following with a reminder to have a cup...

This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water supply. After that, I turned the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined what the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.

After work, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to a house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and Fire Marshal inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log onto the internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on freerepublic.com and Fox News forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the Government can't do anything right.

331 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:47:25pm

re: #327 Freeze Peach

Sure. One should distinguish communism as an end goal and communism as an ideology of moving towards that end goal. The former can never happen, since a true communist society is an utopia. But while communists move towards communism, they're still socialists.

Concur.

332 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:47:35pm

Night Lizards. May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you and yours.

To Rebecca, my Wife and the Mother of Our Children. Happy #28.

I have, do and will always love you.

333 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:47:50pm

I think he's on something.

334 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:49:00pm

re: #333 Freeze Peach

I think he's on something.

Boom shakalaka!

335 jaunte  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:49:00pm

re: #333 Freeze Peach

Umgebroizelt on the rocks.

336 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:49:11pm

re: #330 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Just copy, paste, print, and hand it out the following with a reminder to have a cup...

You mean I haven't already said something stupid?

:)

337 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:49:51pm

re: #335 jaunte

Umgebroizelt on the rocks.

But without stones.

338 prairiefire  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:49:59pm

re: #293 The Ghost of a Flea

Yiddish is a fantastic language. I wonder if Maya Rudolph's Jewish side of the family is Borscht Belt. Her father is a Jewish music producer who fell in love with Maya's mother, on first glance. That lady was Minnie Riperton:

339 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:50:10pm

re: #337 Freeze Peach

But without stones.

They're in the Potomac.

340 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:50:58pm

re: #316 engineer cat

if you define socialism the way it's usually used in this country these days, it applies more or less to every government that's ever existed since the beginning of history

Socialism is putting the society ahead of the individual, whereas Communism is the ownership of the individual in the sense of full control of actions and beliefs. The conflation of Socialism with Communism which is totalitarian and tyrannical is an American thing. Most European countries and Canada are far more accepting of the Socialist/Free Market hybrid common in the top economies.

341 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:52:05pm

re: #339 Varek Raith

They're in the Potomac.

Along with the gun used to murder Vince Foster!

/Alex Jones

342 freetoken  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:52:09pm

Speaking of socialism and communism, this article came up on my radar:

The market is a god that has failed

343 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:53:12pm

re: #341 Dark_Falcon

/Alex Jones

Incorrect.
That's Hoffa.

344 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:53:26pm

re: #321 Freeze Peach

For communists socialism is the last step towards communism, so all communists are certainly socialists. They don't exhaust the set of all socialists, of course.

The Venn diagram would be a union.

345 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:55:17pm

re: #336 ggt

Huh?

346 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:56:54pm

re: #340 My Name is Muerte!

Socialism is putting the society ahead of the individual

an interesting approach but how would you define it in terms of actual government policies and/or actions?

347 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:57:56pm

re: #319 Varek Raith

With the damage from the Earthquake, and now this, I think we should take it apart carefully, cataloging the location of the marble blocks, and those blocks that were sponsored and imprinted with a message or thingy, and deconstructed.

Then, rebuild it with internal structure (You know, steel and stuff). As it stands the Washington Monument is one of the largest Unreinforced Masonry Buildings.

348 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:58:07pm

I love songs in Yiddish.

349 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:59:44pm

re: #247 ggt

Help me, Lizards.

I'm doing more research. Anyone remember the site for that poster graphic of taxes, they had one for population , I think, too.

I'm trying to find or create a graphic showing the vast difference in population between 1950 and 2012 in both the world and the us.

Some of the people I know don't seem to get the sheer number of humans that have to be maintained if we really, really want a peaceful world.

Thanks!

You might want to look at this

350 freetoken  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:00:13pm

Also on my radar:

IEA Predicts Bumpy Ride for Oil Amid Non-OPEC Supply Cuts

The International Energy Agency cut forecasts for oil supplies from outside OPEC this year because of lower exports from Sudan and Syria, cautioning that reduced spare output capacity raises the risk of a price surge.

Producers not in the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries will provide 53.5 million barrels a day this year, or 200,000 a day less than the IEA forecast last month. The agency kept estimates for global oil demand in 2012 unchanged, predicting fuel use will remain “stunted” by the economic slowdown and higher prices. Disappointing non-OPEC output will make the market more reliant on a “slim buffer” of spare production capacity from a few OPEC nations, the IEA said.

[...]

Yeah, Newt cries DRILL BABY DRILL!!, but the reality is that "oil" (how I hate that term) is a commodity on a global market, and world demand can suck up every last drop that is produced. Prices are high because it is a valuable resource, and it will remain valuable for how ever long people desire it.

351 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:01:06pm

re: #316 engineer cat

if you define socialism the way it's usually used in this country these days, it applies more or less to every government that's ever existed since the beginning of history

let me put this more clearly:

when i ask republicans what they mean by 'socialism' they generally say "redistribution of income". when i then ask if using taxes to fund the military is, then, socialism, they modify it to "redistribution of taxes as charity without explicit consent of the taxpayer"

now, tell me: does anybody know of any government in the history of the world that did not collect taxes/tariffs/whatever and use it in part as income support for the least fortunate?

352 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:02:39pm

re: #342 freetoken

Speaking of socialism and communism, this article came up on my radar:

The market is a god that has failed

The same has been reasonably said about socialism. The best answer would seem to be not making 'gods' of economic systems, and keeping said systems adaptable enough to respond to a crisis.

353 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:04:14pm

re: #351 engineer cat

now, tell me: does anybody know of any government in the history of the world that did not collect taxes/tariffs/whatever and use it in part as income support for the least fortunate?

Exploitative monarchies, maybe? Stumped again.

354 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:04:22pm
355 Kragar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:05:33pm

re: #354 Freeze Peach

WAR is their acronym for We Are Retarded.

356 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:05:45pm

re: #354 Freeze Peach

I have coffee. WAR.

357 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:05:47pm

re: #325 ggt

In a strict sense --

is "Equality under the Law "

a democratic or socialist concept?

off to deal with the dogs

bbiab

to my mind these are things from two different axes

democracy < --------- > totalitarianism

capitalism < ----------- > communism

(had to edit this becuz the fookin html rederer thinks all diamond brackets are tags)

358 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:06:06pm

re: #355 Kragar

WAR is their acronym for We Are Retarded.

That, and White Aryan Resistance.

359 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:06:27pm

I love cute puppies. WAR.

360 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:06:41pm

re: #358 Freeze Peach

That, and White Aryan Resistance.

Maybe he's just a warmonger.
:P

361 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:07:02pm

re: #353 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Exploitative monarchies, maybe? Stumped again.

monarchies generally collect taxes in as far as i know

often by sending large men to grab things out of your house

362 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:07:31pm

That guy is in full meltdown mode.

363 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:07:40pm

re: #358 Freeze Peach

That, and White Aryan Resistance.

364 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:07:50pm

re: #247 ggt

Help me, Lizards.

I'm doing more research. Anyone remember the site for that poster graphic of taxes, they had one for population , I think, too.

I'm trying to find or create a graphic showing the vast difference in population between 1950 and 2012 in both the world and the us.

Some of the people I know don't seem to get the sheer number of humans that have to be maintained if we really, really want a peaceful world.

Thanks!

This one might be better

365 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:07:58pm

re: #363 Gus

*rimshot*

366 jaunte  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:08:09pm

Biggest night in his trolling career since 2004. WAR.

367 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:08:26pm

re: #362 Freeze Peach

That guy is in full meltdown mode.

I think we found Andrew Breitbart's replacement.

Derp!

368 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:08:29pm

War! WAR.

369 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:09:14pm

*dobro slide* WAR.

370 jaunte  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:09:43pm

If this keeps up, Ann Coulter is going to start complaining about him. WAR.

371 Kragar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:10:29pm

re: #369 Freeze Peach

*dobro slide* WAR.

WAR = WE ATE RHUBARBS!

372 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:10:37pm

re: #367 Gus

He looks like a douche.

373 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:11:16pm

WE ARE DEVO

374 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:11:34pm

Whiny Asshole Regurgitating.

375 Kronocide  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:11:38pm

Wacky
Ass
Republicans

376 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:11:43pm

Is WAR the new derp?

377 freetoken  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:12:13pm

re: #376 Freeze Peach

Is WAR the new derp?

That would be a good twitter reply to him.

378 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:12:59pm

re: #377 freetoken

That would be a good twitter reply to him.

Gus? ;)

379 Kragar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:13:08pm

re: #376 Freeze Peach

Is WAR the new derp?

BID! = Breitbart is deceased.

380 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:13:13pm

Weepy Anus Reverberating?

381 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:13:34pm

Derp derp derpity derp. WAR.

382 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:14:14pm
383 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:14:32pm

Wrong Again, Republicans?

384 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:15:03pm

re: #382 Freeze Peach

Lol.

385 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:15:24pm

re: #354 Freeze Peach

"WAR! Uh, good gawd yar, what is it good for?
Absolutely Nothing!"

386 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:16:15pm

Bottom list sweep. Or should it be bottom wipe?//

387 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:16:36pm
388 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:16:43pm

WAR = Witless Asshole Reactionary

389 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:16:56pm

We Are Revanchist?

390 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:17:12pm

WAR is he melting down over? WAR.

391 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:17:27pm

Srsly. Leave your Jewish grandmother alone, dumbass.

392 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:17:41pm

WAR.
The new DESU.
WARDESU.

393 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:18:25pm

Why Argue Reasonably?

394 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:19:32pm

What Are Rutabagas?

395 jaunte  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:20:58pm

A Desperate Rush Limbaugh Tries To Win Advertisers Back With Female Callers

A nervous Rush is eagerly trying to make the point that not all women agree that birth control should be paid for by insurance companies. He must think we don’t see him moving the goal post from his comments on the issue to the issue itself.

The advertisers are not boycotting Rush because of his point of view about birth control; they are boycotting him because while discussing his opinion, which he has every right to do, he repeatedly and on multiple occasions, used ugly words like slut and prostitute about not only a private female citizen but about all women on birth control. They are also boycotting him because he pushed it even further when he demanded sex tapes from women who want their health insurance to pay for birth control.

Rush won’t say it, but it’s clear that he’s scared. Radio stations are losing money by airing his show and advertisers are jumping ship.

396 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:22:02pm

re: #395 jaunte

A Desperate Rush Limbaugh Tries To Win Advertisers Back With Female Callers

Karma is a...
...
...very nice woman that I would never disparage.
*Hides*

397 jaunte  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:22:18pm

Working All Rudenesses.

398 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:25:20pm

re: #396 Varek Raith

Karma is not a woman. It's a drunken senile bum.

399 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:25:58pm

re: #398 Freeze Peach

Karma is not a woman. It's a drunken senile bum.

*Stops hiding under desk, goes into bunker*

400 jaunte  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:28:24pm

WARkma!

401 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:29:20pm

re: #400 jaunte

WARkma!

My dogma ate your shaWARma in your karma.

402 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:29:51pm

re: #395 jaunte

A Desperate Rush Limbaugh Tries To Win Advertisers Back With Female Callers

Rush can BS like that all he wants, but no one will believe him. In a country of 150 million+ women, you can find 40-50 women willing to go on Rush's show and look silly. Some of them might even be fanatical enough to think he's right, but just spoke badly. But most people, men and women alike, are not fooled: Rush remains an ass. If he wants to atone for what he did, then he can invite Sandra Fluke on to his show, apologize sincerely when she steps up to the mic, and then get the hell out of the broadcast booth and let her have the rest of the show that day. Wingnuts would hate that, but I'd then believe Rush was really sorry for what he said.

403 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:30:52pm

re: #399 Varek Raith

*Stops hiding under desk, goes into bunker*

[dives into even better bunker across the way from Varek's bunker]

404 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:31:08pm

re: #398 Freeze Peach

Karma is not a woman. It's a drunken senile bum.

"Look what you made do!!! You should have acted right in your last incarnation!!!"

405 jaunte  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:31:46pm

re: #402 Dark_Falcon

I don't think he wants to atone; he is trying to save his business, but he's behind the curve.

406 palomino  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:32:53pm

Why is Dana Loesch still employed by CNN? I know they want more conservative voices, but why stoop to this level when they've already got decent folks on the right like Alex Castellanos?

407 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:33:06pm

re: #402 Dark_Falcon

You're not doing a very good job at being our resident, right wing partisan. Just sayin'.
/;)

408 jaunte  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:33:23pm

hoWARd the duck

409 jaunte  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:34:17pm

beWARe the ides of mWARch!

410 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:34:52pm

quoth the raven neverWAR

411 jaunte  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:35:34pm

It's hard to overstate just how dire the situation is around women's health care in Texas.

The state has the third highest rate of cervical cancer in the country and one in four women are uninsured. After cutting family-planning funding by around two-thirds last legislative session, conservative lawmakers are now standing by their decision to cut off Planned Parenthood from the state's Women's Health Program, a move that ended $35 million in federal funding.

412 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:35:46pm

re: #408 jaunte

Slowly I turned...step by step...inch by inch...

413 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:38:27pm

Michael Tanner tells the GOP to knock off the SoCon dead ends and focus:

Do you remember in the days leading up to the Republican electoral victory in 2010, how the Tea Party marched on Washington with signs saying “Birth Control Is Bad”?

Neither do I.

Less than a year and a half after Republicans swept to the biggest midterm congressional landslide since Grover Cleveland’s second term, they are struggling against a president presiding over a struggling economy, rising gas prices, and an approval rating in the low 40s. Prospects for a Senate takeover, once a foregone conclusion, are now are tenuous. Even the newly won House majority is in jeopardy.

What has changed?

Some may blame this on a nasty primary between three of the least inspiring presidential candidates since Bob Dole. But the current GOP seems to have lost any semblance of a coherent message.

he 2010 Republican victories, and the tea-party movement that drove them, were based on a few critical issues: the crushing burden of our national debt; opposition to wasteful government spending, including bailouts and the stimulus; and a desire for limited constitutional government. It stood in opposition to the big-government nostrums of both the George W. Bush and Barack Obama administrations.

These were issues that had broad support, not just from the Republican base, but from independents as well, including crucial suburban moderates. But Republicans have spent the last several months ignoring these issues.

I agree with Mr. Tanner: Eyes on the prize, GOP.

414 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:40:50pm

Back,

According to this graphic, the % of money that American's spend on government has increasted only 5% since 1967.

From the Atlantic

415 Lidane  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:41:07pm

re: #411 jaunte

It's hard to overstate just how dire the situation is around women's health care in Texas.

The Texas Republicans don't care. Poor and uninsured women can die so long as the GOP can say they stuck it to Planned Parenthood.

Callous assholes, all of them.

416 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:42:16pm

re: #413 Dark_Falcon

And for a change of pace when quoting comments, here we have a sane person commenting on Mr. Tanner's article and actually giving useful advice:

sinz54
03/14/12 08:21

The GOP wouldn't have lost focus, if:

a) there weren't a major contender for the GOP nomination--Santorum--who has emphasized sexual matters so often in the past--as recently as last October. And who refuses to drop the subject. And whose supporters also refuse to drop the subject. (And sure enough, Santorum was never a favorite of the Tea Party.)

b) there weren't a certain popular talk-show host who gave his fans their marching orders: Sexually active unmarried women who get health care via health insurance--paid by the rest of us--are sl*ts and prostitutes.

I have pleaded with some of these folks to drop the subject, defuse the issue, and get back to talking about Obama's record. But evidently there is still a culture out there that believes that women should remain virgins until they get married--even though women are marrying at later ages these days. (Ms. Fluke herself is 30 years old.) I've even seen folks on blogs lamenting the fact that American women got the right to vote.

This is the kind of stuff that guys may talk about amongst themselves in locker rooms or in bars over a few drinks: "My wife just doesn't understand me...." "Women are impossible...." Or the kind of stuff that certain preachers keep telling their congregations. It does NOT belong in a Presidential campaign, and social conservatives should stop injecting it into this campaign immediately.

417 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:46:28pm

I'm out.
Laters.
WAR.

418 jaunte  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 9:54:01pm
419 erik_t  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:02:18pm

re: #416 Dark_Falcon

And for a change of pace when quoting comments, here we have a sane person commenting on Mr. Tanner's article and actually giving useful advice:

Frankly, if one believes these things, one can't 'drop the subject'. Beliefs are still important and still relevant, regardless of whether or not the point is emphasized any given day. It's abundantly clear that many of the GOP powers that be implicitly or explicitly endorse this viewpoint, and that's all there is to that. If they wished to be free of this yoke, they'd say that Limbaugh et al. were regressive assholes.

420 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:05:12pm

re: #364 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

This one might be better

Excellent!

I actually understood it.

:0

421 Lidane  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:07:10pm

Fox Poll: Santorum Seen More Unfavorably, Down To Obama By Twelve

A new national survey from Fox news shows both former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum suffering a bit on favorability with American voters as the Republican presidential primaries continue -- Romney is seen favorably by 39 percent of voters nationaly against 49 percent who see him in a negative light, while Santorum gets a 35 - 47 split on the question. In January, only 34 percent of voters had a negative view of Santorum, resulting in a jump of 13 points over the last two months.

In direct matchups, President Obama bests both Republicans, 46 - 42 against Romney and 51 - 39 against Santorum. Obama also has a positive approval rating in the Fox poll for the second month in a row, as February was the first time the President was above water on the metic since the summer of 2011.

422 palomino  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:07:48pm

re: #416 Dark_Falcon

"It does NOT belong in a Presidential campaign, and social conservatives should stop injecting it into this campaign immediately."

A majority of Republicans are socially conservative, and many of them are animated primarily by their religion/ideology. Why would you expect them to stop talking about social issues?

423 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:08:11pm

Guh. I really do feel for Sandra Fluke, and much of what I feel is pride. All she did was testify before a congressional forum about the need for oral contraceptives with regard to women's health issues (that's health, not sex), and now she is the focus of a shitstorm of hatred, bigotry, and lies.

And even in the face dishonest vitriol from Wingnut In Chief, El Rushbo himself, she stood firm.

I hope this experience only serves to strengthen her resolve to advocate for important issues like this one.

424 BongCrodny  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:10:07pm

re: #421 Lidane

Fox Poll: Santorum Seen More Unfavorably, Down To Obama By Twelve

O'Reilly's top story last night was the poll showing Obama was down to 41% approval.

Any odds on whether this poll is the top story tomorrow night?

425 palomino  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:10:37pm

re: #423 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Guh. I really do feel for Sandra Fluke, and much of what I feel is pride. All she did was testify before a congressional forum about the need for oral contraceptives with regard to women's health issues (that's health, not sex), and now she is the focus of a shitstorm of hatred, bigotry, and lies.

And even in the face dishonest vitriol from Wingnut In Chief, El Rushbo himself, she stood firm.

I hope this experience only serves to strengthen her resolve to advocate for important issues like this one.

Well said. And was she ever asking the government to pay for her contraception, or anyone else's? Many on the right seem to think so.

426 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:10:39pm

re: #419 erik_t

Frankly, if one believes these things, one can't 'drop the subject'. Beliefs are still important and still relevant, regardless of whether or not the point is emphasized any given day. It's abundantly clear that many of the GOP powers that be implicitly or explicitly endorse this viewpoint, and that's all there is to that. If they wished to be free of this yoke, they'd say that Limbaugh et al. were regressive assholes.

The issue isn't what you believe, it's keeping focus on the issues that will win you the election. That may mean not paying much attention to other issues important to you, but with which your views are less popular; If so, that's just the price you need to pay. Win first, then work on pet issues a bit if you've got the time. But keep the critical issues you need to win with front and center.

427 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:11:17pm

re: #144 Bubblehead II

Just asked my Wife how Michelle looked in that dress. She took one look and said pregnant. Don't ask me why. She basically said it wasn't fat because if it was, it would also be showing up in her face as well. Ladies?

Myself, I thought she looked hot.

It's a beautiful dress, but a little 'slouchy'. I'm torn, I love everything about it but that.

428 Lidane  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:12:16pm

re: #426 Dark_Falcon

The issue isn't what you believe, it's keeping focus on the issues that will win you the election.

That's just it-- Santorum IS winning elections with his message. He resonates with a large amount of the GOP base. They talk about socially conservative issues and about birth control and sex and morality because they honestly believe that wins them elections.

429 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:12:29pm

re: #158 moderatelyradicalliberal

I don't see it, but a little Barack III would be awesome.

Oh God, the wingnuts would die.

430 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:12:55pm

re: #424 BongCrodny

O'Reilly's top story last night was the poll showing Obama was down to 41% approval.

Any odds on whether this poll is the top story tomorrow night?

Not a top story, but it may get covered. But some FNC viewers won't like it, because it shows if they want to win the White House they're going to have to suck it up and vote for Mitt.

431 erik_t  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:13:29pm

re: #426 Dark_Falcon

The issue isn't what you believe, it's keeping focus on the issues that will win you the election. That may mean not paying much attention to other issues important to you, but with which your views are less popular; If so, that's just the price you need to pay. Win first, then work on pet issues a bit if you've got the time. But keep the critical issues you need to win with front and center.

You don't get to tell women 'sorry we brought that up, it's not very important to us actually, it was a boo-boo, let's talk about the deficit or something!'

Sorry. That's not how it works. You don't get to re-hide the party's raison d'être, and by all facts and appearances social issues are such for the GOP.

432 Lidane  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:14:38pm

re: #430 Dark_Falcon

Not a top story, but it may get covered. But some FNC viewers won't like it, because it shows if they want to win the White House they're going to have to suck it up and vote for Mitt.

Even if they suck it up and vote Mitt, he's still losing to Obama 46-42 by Fox's own numbers.

The GOP have a long way to go to convince people that they're not batshit crazy this election, but given everything they've been doing since the primaries started, good luck with that.

433 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:15:11pm

re: #425 palomino

Well said. And was she ever asking the government to pay for her contraception, or anyone else's? Many on the right seem to think so.

Wingnut talking points. They are using anything and everything they can think of to obfuscate the real, core points of this issue. Though I have not exactly heard it said, I suspect it is just another false plank in their platform against health care reform.

434 palomino  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:15:15pm

re: #426 Dark_Falcon

The issue isn't what you believe, it's keeping focus on the issues that will win you the election. That may mean not paying much attention to other issues important to you, but with which your views are less popular; If so, that's just the price you need to pay. Win first, then work on pet issues a bit if you've got the time. But keep the critical issues you need to win with front and center.

You mean like the roughly 20 states that have made abortion restrictions (and now contraception restrictions) part of their legislative agenda? I guess those states must have a lot of time on their hands to focus on such issues. Those "pet issues" have blown up into something much larger. And that cat's out of the bag now, the gop has to defend it.

435 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:16:39pm

re: #349 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

You might want to look at this

I bookmarked it for tomorrow. I'm fading fast

Thanks for your help!

436 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:19:12pm

re: #174 moderatelyradicalliberal

Farrakhan's following in the black community is very, very small if for no other reason then most black people are Christians and church going Christians at that. I don't know a single black person who ever talks about Farrakhan except to joke about his belief in UFOs. He may show up at an occasional gathering of black people who talk a lot and have been anointed "black leaders". We don't anoint these people, the media does. There is great admiration for Malcolm X because somebody had to be the bad cop to MLK's good cop. He was flawed and angry, but we love him too. But that has never flowed over to Farrakhan, much to his disappointment. He has become a largely comical figure.

He spoke last week at a Berkeley BSU conference.

It's frustrating for me that he continues to be invited to such things. Local Jewish activists decided against leafleting, in part, I think, for fear it would be seen as a protest of a black event. And that frustrates me too. Why should he get to hide behind all the other speakers who aren't bigots from hell?

(Report is that he announced at some point in his speech that he had a message for the Jewish students at Cal, whereupon a reporter heard a girl in the audience sigh "Oh no." The kids knew his reputation, clearly.)

He's not my biggest problem in life, but he's as obnoxious as Bryan Fischer, without the bear fixation, and he pisses me right off.

437 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:19:22pm

re: #371 Kragar

WAR = WE ATE RHUBARBS!

Well, when mixed with strawberries and then made into pie or jam, I don't hate rhubarbs!

438 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:20:11pm

re: #175 Bubblehead II

Same here. But I am a guy. I think it is a woman thing, but what the hell do I know. If her impression is right, congrats. If not, She still looks hot.

Michelle's forty-eight. It's not impossible, but it's exceedingly unlikely.

439 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:22:02pm

re: #407 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

You're not doing a very good job at being our resident, right wing partisan. Just sayin'.
/;)

Actually, he is.

The REAL conservatives will not stand for a women to be insulted or mistreated. At least, that is what my Dear Ole' Dad told me.

I, personally, would call that being a Gentleman, or a Stable and Healthy Person, but traditional values are what they are.

440 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:22:13pm

re: #205 Kragar

They really don't understand the whole antisemitism thing, do they?

You're allowed to attack the bad Jews. That's not anti-Semitism!

(Left and right, this is a truth universally believed by stupid haters.)

441 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:23:15pm

re: #415 Lidane

The Texas Republicans don't care. Poor and uninsured women can die so long as the GOP can say they stuck it to Planned Parenthood.

Callous assholes, all of them.

There are a lot of Patricians in Texas. They think they have their own Republic and don't give a shit about the rank n' file.

442 Mocking Jay  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:23:43pm

Okay, all of this nonsense has pushed me to donate $25 to Obama tonight.

443 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:24:01pm

re: #235 Obdicut

I love how they vacillate between how they're rich capitalists and frenzied reds inciting the workers.

Which is it? Are they part of the Jewish Banking Elite or the Jewish Bolshevik Conspiracy?

I'm still making my mind up on which to join.

You misunderstand. They are actually one and the same.

444 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:26:36pm

re: #255 Freeze Peach

Something with him needing to grow up like an onion, head in the earth, feet in the air?

Precisely.

The one that appeals to me in this case--I had to look up the Yiddish:

A meshugener zol men oyshraybn, un im araynshraybn.

(They should let a madman out, and lock him up instead.)

445 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:26:46pm

re: #432 Lidane

Even if they suck it up and vote Mitt, he's still losing to Obama 46-42 by Fox's own numbers.

The GOP have a long way to go to convince people that they're not batshit crazy this election, but given everything they've been doing since the primaries started, good luck with that.

4 points is a margin that you can turn around. 13 points, not so much.

Good night.

446 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:26:54pm

re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist

It's a beautiful dress, but a little 'slouchy'. I'm torn, I love everything about it but that.

Michelle has what I call "The Fertility Goddess" figure. She's in excellent shape, she couldn't have that tiny waist and arm muscles if she didn't take care of herself.

The problem is that it is difficult to find photographically appropriate fashion for the "Fertility Goddess" figure.

I love that she shows what most women look like and doesn't hide behind a suit coat.

447 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:27:34pm

re: #436 SanFranciscoZionist

Years back I asked a co-worker what he thought of the Nation of Islam. His exact words were "Fuck the Nation".

Turns out a long time school friend of his joined the NoI after high school, and came back full of hatred and bigotry towards Jews, Caucasians, and so on. He talked about him much like one might talk about a dear friend lost in combat.

448 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:28:09pm

re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist

It's a beautiful dress, but a little 'slouchy'. I'm torn, I love everything about it but that.

Actually, I think that dress looks great on her, great color, great cut. I think the jewelry at the neck is a bit much, it takes away from her long graceful neck.

449 blueraven  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:32:41pm

re: #421 Lidane

Fox Poll: Santorum Seen More Unfavorably, Down To Obama By Twelve

Heh...one of the questions

17. Do you think President Obama has taken responsibility for the economy, or is he still blaming other people and circumstances?

No bias there at all.

450 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:33:42pm

re: #357 engineer cat

to my mind these are things from two different axes

democracy < --- > totalitarianism

capitalism < --- > communism

(had to edit this becuz the fookin html rederer thinks all diamond brackets are tags)

Yes!

Remember, I am dealing with public (Fox News drones) perceptions. They don't seem to differentiate between Political Systems and Economic Systems.

Democracy means everyone gets's a vote,
Those that pay taxes get benefits,
Equality under the law.

Socialism means everybody get's a vote in a one party system,
No Property rights--even to the money you earn
Corruption of every possible government system.

see the mentality?

451 freetoken  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:40:17pm

re: #446 ggt

Michelle has what I call "The Fertility Goddess" figure.

In our culture, since around WWII the classic female figure (of wide hips) has been out of style. Today most highly rated female models have very masculine looking bodies, and now even down the six-pack (which is quite un-natural for a female).

These things seem to change over the centuries, but it does take a while. Each culture has its own idiosyncracies. When I was in Japan it seemed the culture wanted women with large round eyes and light skin, i.e., women who did not look like the classic Chinese or Mongolian stereotype.

In a century the American ideal female figure may be quite different from today's vision.

452 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:40:55pm

As far as I can see the main differences between the horrible tyrants and us is:

1) Individual right to Self-defense (verbal or physical) against imminent danger to one's person, family or property. (this inherently includes property rights--the right to benefit from one's own labor)

2) Individual Right to control reproduction or the engage in the "sex act"

3) A multi-party political system.

453 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:42:50pm

re: #451 freetoken

In our culture, since around WWII the classic female figure (of wide hips) has been out of style. Today most highly rated female models have very masculine looking bodies, and now even down the six-pack (which is quite un-natural for a female).

These things seem to change over the centuries, but it does take a while. Each culture has its own idiosyncracies. When I was in Japan it seemed the culture wanted women with large round eyes and light skin, i.e., women who did not look like the classic Chinese or Mongolian stereotype.

In a century the American ideal female figure may be quite different from today's vision.

I think it is already changing. Overall health seems to be taking hold. Muscles --some meat on the body. Even the fashion models are showing some bulk and boobs. I credit Jennifer Lopez and Beyonce.

454 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:45:48pm

I have to sleep.

Have a great evening all!

455 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:47:52pm

re: #450 ggt

Yes!

Remember, I am dealing with public (Fox News drones) perceptions. They don't seem to differentiate between Political Systems and Economic Systems.

Democracy means everyone gets's a vote,
Those that pay taxes get benefits,
Equality under the law.

Socialism means everybody get's a vote in a one party system,
No Property rights--even to the money you earn
Corruption of every possible government system.

see the mentality?

ah! How could I forget --the G-d factor,

Democracy = Jesus (Judeo-Christian traditions *ahem*)

Socialism = Evolution and Athiesm

456 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:50:30pm

re: #451 freetoken

In a century the American ideal female figure may be quite different from today's vision.

Indeed.

457 Kragar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:52:56pm

re: #456 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Indeed.

Really now

458 freetoken  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:54:54pm

re: #455 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Genetic engineering could take us to some interesting places.

459 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:55:17pm

So are these the new rules? People are going to start digging up "dirt" about parents, mothers and fathers in laws, boyfriends, siblings?

460 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:57:06pm

Should we start looking up information on Brooks Bayne's parents? Are we going to stoop as low as he has? Is this what they've become? Guteral, raw, cheap, dirty and pornographic like Rush Limbaugh. Low life tactics.

461 freetoken  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:58:36pm

I'm watching a few recent BBC TV documentaries and am aghast at how downhill their "science" documentaries have gone. They've got a series going on the Earth and motion, but it's full of just downright inaccuracies, mostly by one of the (non-scientist) hosts. And in the recent "Horizon" episode the narrator keeps posing questions (for us, the viewers, in our place) but they are so slanted and not what a scientist would actually ask.

I'm afraid the BBC is trying to compete with the History Channel, Discover, and NG. Next thing you know they'll jump on the Ancient Aliens' Nazi Undersea Bunker bandwagon.

462 freetoken  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 10:59:43pm

re: #459 Gus

Everything is fair on the playground. Eye gouges, hair pulling, spitting, crotching...

463 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 11:03:36pm

re: #462 freetoken

Everything is fair on the playground. Eye gouges, hair pulling, spitting, crotching...

I don't think it's fair -- questionable as to whether it's effective. They can't tarnish an already tarnished reputations and I'm speaking of the slanderers. There are limits. There are rights and wrongs. This, is wrong.

Atheist moralizing. ;)

464 Lidane  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 11:03:47pm

re: #449 blueraven

Heh...one of the questions

No bias there at all.

That's what makes a 4-point deficit at Fox for Romney so interesting. Even with all the bias and bullshit questions, they still can't get a win for either of their potential nominees.

Those numbers only get worse when you look to other polls, like the latest from Pew Research:

The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted March 7-11 among 1,503 adults, including 1,188 registered voters and 538 Republican and Republican-leaning voters, finds that Romney leads Rick Santorum, 33% to 24%, in the GOP nomination contest. A month ago, the two men were in a virtual tie (28% Romney, 30% Santorum).

But both GOP frontrunners are running well behind Barack Obama in general election matchups. Among all voters, Obama leads Romney by 12 points (54% to 42%) and Santorum by 18 points (57% to 39%). Obama’s advantage among women voters, while largely unchanged from a month ago, remains substantial – 20 points over Romney and 26 points over Santorum.

Obama also holds an enthusiasm advantage over both of his main GOP rivals. In a matchup with Romney, 41% say they support Obama strongly, compared with only 28% who strongly support the former Massachusetts governor. Obama holds a commanding 45% to 28% lead over Santorum in strong support.

465 Kragar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 11:06:10pm

re: #461 freetoken

I'm watching a few recent BBC TV documentaries and am aghast at how downhill their "science" documentaries have gone. They've got a series going on the Earth and motion, but it's full of just downright inaccuracies, mostly by one of the (non-scientist) hosts. And in the recent "Horizon" episode the narrator keeps posing questions (for us, the viewers, in our place) but they are so slanted and not what a scientist would actually ask.

I'm afraid the BBC is trying to compete with the History Channel, Discover, and NG. Next thing you know they'll jump on the Ancient Aliens' Nazi Undersea Bunker bandwagon.

I remember when the science channels shows with actual scientists and zoologists. Now its all crap reality shows with pet whispers or some gimmick for drama

466 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 11:11:37pm

re: #465 Kragar

I remember when the science channels shows with actual scientists and zoologists. Now its all crap reality shows with pet whispers or some gimmick for drama

Cats bending spoons.

467 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 11:20:47pm

re: #466 Gus

Cats bending spoons.

There is no cat.

468 freetoken  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 11:24:11pm

re: #465 Kragar

Discovery, and their other outlet Science Channel, are big on Aliens right now.

History Channel is consumed with marginal and fringe American lifestyle rather than "history".

National Geographic is using techniques in their shows that are overly manipulatory or falsely dramatic - for example, in their show on the discovery of A. sediba (the "2 Million Year Old Boy") they use strong side-lighting and low-lighting in their interviews in order to make everything threatening and dramatic, probably because the American audience would be too bored with straightforward exposition.

This need to be entertained, rather than educated, is behind, I assert, the drive on the internet for the extremes in the postings of attention-getters (say, Malkin or Breitbart) is to tap into this market to be entertained, rather than be factually informed.

469 Kragar  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 11:28:33pm

re: #468 freetoken

Discovery, and their other outlet Science Channel, are big on Aliens right now.

History Channel is consumed with marginal and fringe American lifestyle rather than "history".

National Geographic is using techniques in their shows that are overly manipulatory or falsely dramatic - for example, in their show on the discovery of A. sediba (the "2 Million Year Old Boy") they use strong side-lighting and low-lighting in their interviews in order to make everything threatening and dramatic, probably because the American audience would be too bored with straightforward exposition.

This need to be entertained, rather than educated, is behind, I assert, the drive on the internet for the extremes in the postings of attention-getters (say, Malkin or Breitbart) is to tap into this market to be entertained, rather than be factually informed.

What on earth is more entertaining than watching ants kill a crab with the action being narrated by a dry English accent?

470 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 11:29:01pm

Cutaways and profiles with sound effects every time they change a frame. 3D view! With lots of bass.

471 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 11:29:12pm

re: #468 freetoken

And?

472 Gus  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 11:30:32pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

Tonight I'm wondering how crazy these people are gonna get: Sandra Fluke's Boyfriend, Adam “Cutie Pants” Mutterperl, and His Radical Socialist Family.

Correction on spelling should be "Bayne."

473 Lidane  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 11:40:32pm
474 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 11:43:52pm

re: #473 Lidane

Not surprised about that one.

475 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 11:56:22pm
476 freetoken  Wed, Mar 14, 2012 11:59:57pm

Getting back to the story which I linked earlier (downstairs), about the "Red Deer people" discovery in China... as an example of my claim that this type of anthropological findings will be used to tap into latent (or perhaps not so latent) racism, I offer up this link to the CBS news online site version of the story:

Mysterious Chinese fossils may be new human species

And the most recent comment is:

by sam1012000 March 15, 2012 2:33 AM EDT
"prominent brow ridges, thick skull bones, flat upper faces with a broad nose, jutting jaws that lack a humanlike chin, brains moderate in size by ice age human standards, large molar teeth, and primitively short parietal lobes"

In other words, black Africans.

I assume the CBS site moderators will remove the comment once they get to work... but this is just one of many, many examples of how loaded research into human origins is, and one of the many pitfalls into which our unbridled society will fall.

Oh, and the Infowars version of this story has a comment section which has devolved into full on creationism exposition. It ought to be expected I guess, that Alex Jones' audience is basically the same as Joe Farah's.

477 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 12:05:57am

re: #476 freetoken

Oh, and the Infowars version of this story has a comment section which has devolved into full on creationism exposition. It ought to be expected I guess, that Alex Jones' audience is basically the same as Joe Farah's.

Heh heh heh. Alex has their attention for now, but the moment a Republican other than Ron Paul (or perhaps Rand Paul) enters the Oval Office, Jones will become a radioactive potato to them.

478 freetoken  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 12:35:52am

And in fact... look at how Fox News titled their version of the story, when most news outlets are picking up on the "Red Deer Cave" term, Fox picks:

Mysterious dark-skinned stone age people found

That's right, "dark skinned". Now they credit "Discovery News" service as the origination of the article, and sure enough the author (Jennifer Vargas) used the headline, but again she should not have. She simply inserts into the story:

Since the prehistoric humans lived in areas with a lot of sunlight and ultraviolet radiation, they were likely dark-skinned.

Note that in the actual scientific paper, openly available:
[Link: www.plosone.org...]
there is no mention of "dark skin".

None at all.

But Fox News decided to use the unique-to-Vargas headline.

Anyway, the Fox comments (like Infowars - in fact, a whole lot like Infowars) delves more into creationism than racism, though the usual Obama bashers are there in strength. There is the occasional run of the usual hatred:

agbjr 4 hours ago
There are just sooooo many Obama comments this brings to mind ... I must resist the temptation.

or, how about this little exchange:

viktor 4 hours ago
Hmmmm, looks like someone who's part of the NAACP. Darwin's Theory of Evolutions proven again - some of us still look and act like apes.

4gsltw 3 hours ago in reply to viktor
First, it's Darwin's postulation, second, there is absolutely no evidence for it let alone proof, third, the NAACP are communists--not ancient people.

Or, how about this one:

sierra10 4 hours ago
I see where mo o chelle got her looks.

Again, this is not on a Fox Nation entry, but a regular Fox News entry.

Let's see what else is there...

itshappens 5 hours ago
What's with the mugshot of Barry's uncle ObingaBunga, you know, the one arrested, again, for DUI?

I'd be accused of cherry-picking, however most the comments are either reactions to these, or creationism comments.

Hmm...

cobofthemob 5 hours ago
Looks like Obama's father to me.

kaspar 6 hours ago
PROOF THE KENYAN LIAR EVOLVED FROM MONKEY'S ALONG WITH HIS GORILLIA FACED WHOREWIFE

Pierredevereaux 7 hours ago
He needs to be placed in the museum in Detroit.

are122 6 hours ago in reply to Pierredevereaux
he already cleans one.

jaystimson 6 hours ago in reply to Pierredevereaux
Actually Kenya.
Obama's ancestral birth place.

Do I have to continue?

How about some equal opportunity racism:

Keith 8 hours ago
Just breed one of those guys to a modern human and you get a china man. Now it all makes sense.
God was way too smart to start with just two.

And so on (and on and on and on...).

Rupert Murdoch has designed his products to appeal to the lowest slice of society.

What will Fox News do with these comments? Well, if it is anything like the news story from a couple of days ago, about the former JPL scientist who is suing for alleged religious discrimination (he was handing out ID tracts/DVDs), a story on Fox website that gathered over 4000 comments, Fox will just delete the entire database of comments. They do this after they make sure the story is seen by many thousands and garner thousand of comments, btw. Once the mission is accomplished the best thing is to delete all the evidence, eh?

479 Kragar  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 12:53:27am

re: #478 freetoken

Wow, Charles and Kilgore have been busy.
/

480 researchok  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 1:31:39am

Morning, all

481 freetoken  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 1:55:29am
482 researchok  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 2:28:00am

This is great....listening now.

Gets you moving

483 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 2:54:03am

WAR.

484 freetoken  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 3:04:58am

One of many reasons why there isn't progress on environmental issues:


Study: Young people not so 'green' after all

CHICAGO (AP) — They have a reputation for being environmentally minded do-gooders. But an academic analysis of surveys spanning more than 40 years has found that today's young Americans are less interested in the environment and in conserving resources — and often less civic-minded overall — than their elders were when they were young.

The findings go against the widespread belief that environmental issues have hit home with today's young adults, known as Millennials, who have grown up amid climate change discussion and the mantra "reduce, reuse, recycle." The environment is often listed among top concerns of young voters.

[...]

Even so, those working in the environmental field — including some Millennials themselves — aren't that surprised by the findings.

Emily Stokes, a 20-year-old geography student at Western Washington University, grew up in the Pacific Northwest. She thinks people there are more likely to take environmental issues more seriously because of the natural beauty that surrounds them.

"But I still find myself pretty frustrated a lot of the time," said Stokes, who wants to go into marine resource management. "I just think our generation seems fairly narcissistic — and we seem to have the shortest attention span."

[...]

Mark Potosnak, an environmental science professor at DePaul University in Chicago, has noticed an increase in skepticism — or confusion — about climate change among his students as the national debate has heightened. That leads to fatigue, he said.

[...]

A lot of young people also simply don't spend that much time exploring nature, said Beth Christensen, a professor who heads the environmental studies professor at Adelphi University on New York's Long Island.

When she attended Rutgers University in the 1980s, she said it was unusual to find a fellow student who hadn't hiked and spent time in the woods.

"Now a lot of these students have very little experience with the unpaved world," Christensen said.

[...]

Why?

Video game addiction? Internet? Cell phones?

485 freetoken  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 3:08:15am
486 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 3:51:22am

re: #484 freetoken

I'd say the relentless propaganda of selfishness coming from the media has a lot to do with it.

487 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 4:02:10am

There are two 'i's in "Gorillia"

488 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 4:02:54am

Stooipipid Keniyinian Misusilim Usurpiper Obamima!

489 Shropshire_Slasher  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 4:05:53am

And now for something completely different. A few years back I had a supervisor that was all excited because he was getting a new employee named Dana. He couldn't wait for the "hot chick" as he put it to arrive. Imagine his surprise when an overweight middle aged man walked through the door and introduced himself as Dana. Believe it or not, that was the last project he supervised. Good morning!

490 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 4:13:18am

Good morning, WAR.

491 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 4:15:40am

re: #490 Varek Raith

Why is everyone suddenly referencing White Aryan Resistance? Has it finally happened? Do I have to grab my Bren gun and head for the woods?

492 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 4:16:55am

re: #491 Obdicut

Why is everyone suddenly referencing White Aryan Resistance? Has it finally happened? Do I have to grab my Bren gun and head for the woods?

It all started with a wingnut meltdown tweet in the early morning.
We went to town with it.
:)

493 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 4:19:49am
494 EdDantes  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 4:20:16am

re: #489 Tommy's cone of shame

I remember when it was not uncommon for men in England to have names like Joyce, Evelyn and Vivian.
Now that I think about it, perhaps we've come full circle.

495 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 4:21:20am

re: #494 EdDantes

I remember when it was not uncommon for men in England to have names like Joyce, Evelyn and Vivian.
Now that I think about it, perhaps we've come full circle.

... and don't call me Shirley.

496 AK-47%  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 4:28:22am

re: #494 EdDantes

I remember when it was not uncommon for men in England to have names like Joyce, Evelyn and Vivian.
Now that I think about it, perhaps we've come full circle.

My ex tells me that when she was studying in Warsaw, the Poles had a lot of trouble with her name, "Alison", as it sounded too masculine to their ears. They took to calling her "Alicija"

497 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 4:34:12am

re: #495 Varek Raith

... and don't call me Shirley.

My name is John Johnson but everyone here calls me Vicki....Now this is something the other tour guides won't tell you. In this particular cell-block, Machine Gun Kelly had what we call in the prison system, a "bitch". And one night in a jealous rage Kelly took a make-shift knife or "shiv", and cut out the bitch's eyes. And as if this wasn't enough retribution for Kelly, the next day he and four other inmates took turns pissing into the bitch's ocular cavities. (short pause) This way to the cafeteria!

Also, Good Morning Honcos!!

498 EdDantes  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 4:34:38am

re: #496 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

One of my daughters name is Allison. Ill tell her that if she ever goes to Poland she will be "Alicija."

499 JamesS  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 4:39:29am

re: #494 EdDantes

I remember when it was not uncommon for men in England to have names like Joyce, Evelyn and Vivian.

Then there are names like 'Jamie' - which is a variant of James in the UK, particularly Scotland. (Being called Jamie always bugged me, though, even before knowing it's a female name in other places!)

Names can be confusing sometimes; I got an email at work from a new sysadmin called Tobi: similar work to me, but in my old building, so it took a while before I happened to meet him in person. My mother met a new co-worker named 'Alex' recently, and even after the meeting was unsure for a while: jeans, fairly short hair...

500 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 4:40:29am

re: #499 JamesS

Then there are names like 'Jamie' - which is a variant of James in the UK, particularly Scotland. (Being called Jamie always bugged me, though, even before knowing it's a female name in other places!)

Names can be confusing sometimes; I got an email at work from a new sysadmin called Tobi: similar work to me, but in my old building, so it took a while before I happened to meet him in person. My mother met a new co-worker named 'Alex' recently, and even after the meeting was unsure for a while: jeans, fairly short hair...

Image: Reverse%20Trap.jpg

501 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 4:42:20am

re: #489 Tommy's cone of shame

And now for something completely different. A few years back I had a supervisor that was all excited because he was getting a new employee named Dana. He couldn't wait for the "hot chick" as he put it to arrive. Imagine his surprise when an overweight middle aged man walked through the door and introduced himself as Dana. Believe it or not, that was the last project he supervised. Good morning!

Ira is also a female name (diminutive of Irina).

502 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 4:43:31am

Could be worse, you could be a Boy named Sue.

503 EdDantes  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 4:45:08am

Good night, all

504 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 4:47:49am

re: #500 Varek Raith

One of the most lovely girls I ever had the pleasure to make happy dance with was nicknamed Butch. Extremely feminine, too.

And women named Charlie I've always found pretty cute. It's a nice name for a girl.

505 RadicalModerate  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 4:50:46am

As if the story regarding former Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's pardoning of 200 inmates couldn't get any worse.

Docs show murderers got special treatment from governor, wife

Jackson, Mississippi (CNN) -- Investigative documents obtained by CNN show that former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, his wife and his staff may have given preferential treatment to two of the convicted murderers who were among the more than 200 former and current inmates he pardoned in January.

According to the documents compiled by the office of Mississippi's attorney general, the state's former first lady, Marsha Barbour, apparently called a car dealership regarding the purchase of two vehicles for two convicted murderers -- days before they were pardoned. The cars were later delivered to the governor's mansion, two days before the men were released.

CNN has also learned that a member of the governor's staff took the same two men, David Gatlin and Charles Hooker, to get their driver's licenses while they were still in state custody, before their pardons were signed and made official.

506 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 4:59:58am

re: #505 RadicalModerate

As if the story regarding former Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's pardoning of 200 inmates couldn't get any worse.

Docs show murderers got special treatment from governor, wife

Hmmm maybe that was why he didn't run this year.

507 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:04:02am

re: #505 RadicalModerate

I wonder if these fucks gave the best theatrical performance of "Rehabilitated Christian" to impress Barbour so much.

508 Shropshire_Slasher  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:10:11am

Today marks the anniversary of the Invasion of Iwo Jima.
[Link: poststar.com...]
Medal of Honor of Honor recipient John Basilone was killed in action on the 19th [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

509 JamesS  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:11:26am

re: #465 Kragar

I remember when the science channels shows with actual scientists and zoologists. Now its all crap reality shows with pet whispers or some gimmick for drama

It's all edutainment now, all about the shiny. I saw a documentary about a documentary recently (which is a whole new WTF in itself) showing how proud they were of their filing setup .. something about a great big aircraft hangar where they'd be housing their computer generated virtual globe (I know ...) some kind of green-screen setup, so the presenter would dangle around in a giant empty hangar pointing at the empty space where they'd add a fake planet later.

Like the polar bear series: real footage from up near the North Pole, looking at actual wild polar bears through really long lenses, then cut to footage of polar bears being born in a zoo, without mentioning the jump of a few thousand miles. OK, maybe it is impossible to film inside an actual polar bear den - but why pretend? Why not just say "we can't film inside a wild bear's den safely, but here's one in captivity"?

On the Barbour thing: now we see why some states have rules about pardons, like the Governor only being able to grant pardons when recommended by something like a parole board, instead of "hey, that guy in the funny mask seems nice, and knows just the wine to serve with fava beans, I say we let him out". I can see a use for the occasional pardon, but it should be very occasional.

510 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:13:16am

Morning Lizardim.

511 AK-47%  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:13:29am

re: #508 Tommy's cone of shame

Today marks the anniversary of the Invasion of Iwo Jima.
[Link: poststar.com...]
Medal of Honor of Honor recipient John Basilone was killed in action on the 19th [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I got my DVD copy of "The Pacific" for Christmas. Battle scenes were excellent, but I liked the dramatic parts of "Band of Brothers" better.

512 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:22:07am

re: #302 sagehen

Try to find a way to work "machetaynischter" into a conversation, no other language has a word for that relationship (your offspring's spouse's parents are your machetaynischters. They're inferior of course, you're a far better in-law to their child than they are to yours. You're also a much better grandparent than they are.)

We have a family word for that. To be "yarmooshed" means to be crowded, suffocated, overwhelmed by the crush of relatives.

For example, we are going to Toronto next week for my granddaughter's Bat Mitzvah, and we are staying at the Holiday Inn in order not to be yarmooshed to death.

513 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:27:18am

re: #486 Obdicut

I'd say the relentless propaganda of selfishness coming from the media has a lot to do with it.

That, and mosquitoes.

514 AK-47%  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:29:08am

re: #512 Learned Mother of Zion

We have a family word for that. To be "yarmooshed" means to be crowded, suffocated, overwhelmed by the crush of relatives.

For example, we are going to Toronto next week for my granddaughter's Bat Mitzvah, and we are staying at the Holiday Inn in order not to be yarmooshed to death.

From Russian, I know that "yarmushka" is a yoke or a weight around one's neck.

Russian also makes a distinction between a brother/sister-in-law who is your sibling's spouse and one who is your spouse's sibling.

515 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:29:40am

re: #499 JamesS

Then there are names like 'Jamie' - which is a variant of James in the UK, particularly Scotland. (Being called Jamie always bugged me, though, even before knowing it's a female name in other places!)

Names can be confusing sometimes; I got an email at work from a new sysadmin called Tobi: similar work to me, but in my old building, so it took a while before I happened to meet him in person. My mother met a new co-worker named 'Alex' recently, and even after the meeting was unsure for a while: jeans, fairly short hair...

And if you call the helpline you get to talk to "Peggy".

516 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:30:24am

re: #514 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

From Russian, I know that "yarmushka" is a yoke or a weight around one's neck.

Russian also makes a distinction between a brother/sister-in-law who is your sibling's spouse and one who is your spouse's sibling.

You can never be "yarmooshed" by your own family, only by in-laws.

517 Shropshire_Slasher  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:31:15am

re: #512 Learned Mother of Zion

My family has been nicknamed the Mongol Horde. Swoop in and devour everything.

518 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:32:10am

re: #517 Tommy's cone of shame

My family has been nicknamed the Mongol Horde. Swoop in and devour everything.

Now you know why you did not receive an invitation to my daughter's wedding.

519 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:32:16am

re: #514 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

From Russian, I know that "yarmushka" is a yoke or a weight around one's neck.

Russian also makes a distinction between a brother/sister-in-law who is your sibling's spouse and one who is your spouse's sibling.

Not yarmushka but yarmo.

520 AK-47%  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:33:03am

re: #516 Learned Mother of Zion

You can never be "yarmooshed" by your own family, only by in-laws.

I can well imagine that it could have originated with some ancient marriage contract in which a cow was promised as a dowry butthe cow died before the wedding, so another member of the bride's family was yoked up to pull the plow until a replacement could be found...

521 AK-47%  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:33:48am

re: #519 Freeze Peach

Not yarmushka but yarmo.

a quaint little yoke, then. family-sized.

522 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:34:21am

re: #520 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

I can well imagine that it could have originated with some ancient marriage contract in which a cow was promised as a dowry butthe cow died before the wedding, so another member of the bride's family was yoked up to pull the plow until a replacement could be found...

It is not actually a word in any language, it's just a word that my family made up, to describe one particular set of in-laws.

523 AK-47%  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:34:49am

Now I know why Jim Jarmusch avoids family gatherings...

524 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:35:01am

re: #521 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

a quaint little yoke, then. family-sized.

We don't use it this way.

525 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:35:33am

re: #514 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

From Russian, I know that "yarmushka" is a yoke or a weight around one's neck.

Russian also makes a distinction between a brother/sister-in-law who is your sibling's spouse and one who is your spouse's sibling.

In male-only circles I would presume that is a possible term used for getting married and the entire "new" relatives in general. Along the lines of referring to the wife as "the ball and chain".

526 AK-47%  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:36:07am

re: #524 Freeze Peach

We don't use it this way.

Well, to youse guys, everything is just a big yoke.

/

527 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:37:28am

re: #526 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Well, to youse guys, everything is just a big yoke.

/

Well, a good egg can have double the yolks, so it must be funnier.

528 AK-47%  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:39:46am

Yolky-Palky!

529 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:39:59am

re: #527 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Well, a good egg can have double the yolks, so it must be funnier.

Good Lord, Don't egg him on!
//

530 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:41:41am

re: #528 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Yolky-Palky!

Ёкарный бабай.

532 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:45:16am

re: #531 Learned Mother of Zion

9 Foreign Words the English Language Desperately Needs.

10 Coolest Foreign Words the English Language Needs.

Blocked here at work. :(
Will have to read later.

Heh, got an email from one of our new plants in Germany. Would one prefer to be referred to as "business manager" or "Geschäftsführer"?

533 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:47:13am

re: #531 Learned Mother of Zion

9 Foreign Words the English Language Desperately Needs.

10 Coolest Foreign Words the English Language Needs.

Pilkunnussija.

English equivalent = Grammar Nazi.
:P

534 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:49:23am

re: #533 Varek Raith

Pilkunnussija.

English equivalent = Grammar Nazi.
:P

Do other languages borrow our neat words (often adopted themselves mind you) like "Mississippi" or "Tennessee"?

535 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:51:23am

re: #534 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Do other languages borrow our neat words (often adopted themselves mind you) like "Mississippi" or "Tennessee"?

Not terribly often. In French, never. The French, ironically enough, are the original language Nazis.

536 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:53:33am

I have been working way too much. I'm getting too irate at stuff I should be laughing at the idiocy of. I need a minivacation or staycation or some bullshit terminology term for just taking it freaking easy.

This is my problem in being my own boss. I am a workaholic, I keep taking on more and more work. It's really hard to say no to another job and more money and more stuff to do. But I really got to. I haven't snapped at my wife or anything yet but, judging from my reaction to trolls around here, I'm down to my last thin wire.

I hope this nice weather holds. If it does, I can put my current projects to bed over the next couple of weeks, carve out some space, and just lie around in the sunshine.

Part of the problem is I bill at completion of project, so right now I have a ton of payments coming, but very little in the bank account right now, which really exacerbates my MUST WORK MORE attitude.

537 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:53:51am

re: #535 thedopefishlives

Not terribly often. In French, never. The French, ironically enough, are the original language Nazis.

Yep. And I lived close to Quebec for a few years. Where their North American counterparts are in full go. I note earlier in this thread that they're fussing whining about halal and kosher butchering right now.

538 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:54:16am

re: #535 thedopefishlives

Not terribly often. In French, never. The French, ironically enough, are the original language Nazis.

Not all that ironically; a lot of the French took to the Vichy like it was the best thing ever. The French turned in more Jews to the Nazis than the Italians did, and they were (supposedly) on the other side.

539 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:54:47am

re: #538 Obdicut

Not all that ironically; a lot of the French took to the Vichy like it was the best thing ever. The French turned in more Jews to the Nazis than the Italians did, and they were (supposedly) on the other side.

Ugh. Here you go, ruining my beautiful irony with those pesky facts again.

540 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:55:28am

re: #539 thedopefishlives

Most irony isn't.

Ironically.

/No, wait.

541 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 5:59:19am

re: #540 Obdicut

Most irony isn't.

Ironically.

/No, wait.

Unless you are a hipster.
//

542 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 6:05:57am

re: #538 Obdicut

Not all that ironically; a lot of the French took to the Vichy like it was the best thing ever. The French turned in more Jews to the Nazis than the Italians did, and they were (supposedly) on the other side.

Heck, just read about the Dreyfus Affair. A lot simmered under the surface in France.

543 AK-47%  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 6:09:23am

re: #538 Obdicut

Not all that ironically; a lot of the French took to the Vichy like it was the best thing ever. The French turned in more Jews to the Nazis than the Italians did, and they were (supposedly) on the other side.

If you create a situation in which people think they can benefit themselves by betraying others (especially if those others are a minority), you are going to see a lot of betrayal.

544 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 6:11:49am

re: #542 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Every nation in WWII was antisemitic to various degrees. It's funny how it's sometimes presented as the Allies going to war to prevent the slaughter of the Jews.

That had almost nothing to do with it. Almost nothing at all. WWII was not a war being fought to stop a genocide.

545 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 6:20:35am

re: #544 Obdicut

Every nation in WWII was antisemitic to various degrees. It's funny how it's sometimes presented as the Allies going to war to prevent the slaughter of the Jews.

That had almost nothing to do with it. Almost nothing at all. WWII was not a war being fought to stop a genocide.

In fact, most nations were completely ignorant of the genocide until it was largely over. The information that leaked out of Poland and the Soviet bloc in 1942 and 1943 was largely nonexistent, and so horrifying that few people even took it seriously.

546 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 6:28:40am

re: #545 thedopefishlives

In fact, most nations were completely ignorant of the genocide until it was largely over. The information that leaked out of Poland and the Soviet bloc in 1942 and 1943 was largely nonexistent, and so horrifying that few people even took it seriously.

No, actually a lot of information was published in the Western press, it wasn't non-existent, and both the Western Allies and the USSR made public statements about genocide, and specifically about the genocide of the Jews (e.g. see the official Soviet note published on 19.12.1942 which was devoted exclusively to description of the Holocaust).

547 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 6:37:22am
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
The Joint Declaration by Members of the United Nations was a statement issued on on December 17, 1942 by the American and British governments on behalf of the Allied Powers. In it, they describe the on-goings events of the Holocaust in Nazi Germany.

The statement was read to British House of Commons in a floor speech by Foreign secretary Anthony Eden, and published on the front page of the New York Times and many other newspapers.[1]
[edit]
Text

"The attention of the Belgian, Czechoslovak, Greek, Jugoslav, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norwegian, Polish, Soviet, United Kingdom and United States Governments and also of the French National Committee has been drawn to numerous reports from Europe that the German authorities, not content with denying to persons of Jewish race in all the territories over which their barbarous rule has been extended, the most elementary human rights, are now carrying into effect Hitler's oft-repeated intention to exterminate the Jewish people in Europe.

From all the occupied countries Jews are being transported in conditions of appalling horror and brutality to Eastern Europe. In Poland, which has been made the principal Nazi slaughterhouse, the ghettos established by the German invader are being systematically emptied of all Jews except a few highly skilled workers required for war industries. None of those taken away are ever heard of again. The able-bodied are slowly worked to death in labor camps. The infirm are left to die of exposure and starvation or are deliberately massacred in mass executions. The number of victims of these bloody cruelties is reckoned in many hundreds of thousands of entirely innocent men, women and children.
The above-mentioned governments and the French National Committee condemn in the strongest possible terms this bestial policy of cold-blooded extermination. They declare that such events can only strengthen the resolve of all freedom-loving peoples to overthrow the barbarous Hitlerite tyranny. They reaffirm their solemn resolution to insure that those responsible for these crimes shall not escape retribution, and to press on with the necessary practical measures to this end."

548 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 6:41:44am

re: #546 Freeze Peach

re: #547 Freeze Peach

Alright, I'll admit I'm not a foremost scholar on the Holocaust, so I can get my facts wrong from time to time.

549 AK-47%  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 6:47:03am

Yunno, you gotta admire the guy's resolve: he consistently puts his "conservative" priniples ahead of any sort of pandering, even if it costs him votes:

Santorum: Puerto should adopt English as official language as condition for statehood

550 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 6:55:45am

re: #548 thedopefishlives

One of my perennial problems is that I know a little bit about a whole lot of things. It's great for general knowledge's sake, but then when people start discussing it in depth, I quickly find myself in over my head.

551 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 6:56:13am

re: #550 thedopefishlives

Long as you don't put money or pride down, not a big deal.

553 Lidane  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 7:21:26am

Good morning, Lizards! Guess who just got tickets for the Bruce Springsteen show tonight?

Yeah, it's going to be an amazing day. :D

554 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 7:21:53am

re: #550 thedopefishlives

One of my perennial problems is that I know a little bit about a whole lot of things. It's great for general knowledge's sake, but then when people start discussing it in depth, I quickly find myself in over my head.

Perhaps. But you seem to be interested in gathering knowledge and learning via discussion with others. That makes you a lot more interesting than reading comments from someone 100% sure of their facts and slaved to a single issue, or a troll simply intent on stirring things without interest in learning or honest exchange of opinion.

555 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 7:24:35am

re: #554 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Perhaps. But you seem to be interested in gathering knowledge and learning via discussion with others. That makes you a lot more interesting than reading comments from someone 100% sure of their facts and slaved to a single issue, or a troll simply intent on stirring things without interest in learning or honest exchange of opinion.

Aww. *blush* I do love to learn, though. It's actually how I entertain myself. I'm a voracious reader.

556 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 7:27:03am

re: #555 thedopefishlives

My favorite nonfiction books to recommend:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

and:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

557 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 7:30:09am

re: #556 Obdicut

Thanks. That first one looks particularly appealing for a trivia gatherer like myself.

558 JamesS  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 7:37:01am

re: #504 Obdicut

One of the most lovely girls I ever had the pleasure to make happy dance with was nicknamed Butch. Extremely feminine, too.

And women named Charlie I've always found pretty cute. It's a nice name for a girl.

I like the irony of that first name - the one or two people by that name I've come across were male. (Or maybe I just thought ...)

My late cousin Pauline wrote military reference books, but in case her gender got in the way was always named as "PB Innis".

559 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 7:42:43am

re: #555 thedopefishlives

Aww. *blush* I do love to learn, though. It's actually how I entertain myself. I'm a voracious reader.

Nothing wrong with that. I have librarian and pack-rat genes from both sides of my family. Mainly read history and sci-fi with a smattering of biography and layman science non-fiction mixed in. (The latter generally from book exchanges with my brother.)

560 RadicalModerate  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 7:45:30am

re: #534 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Do other languages borrow our neat words (often adopted themselves mind you) like "Mississippi" or "Tennessee"?

I know that Japan borrows a LOT of western words. In fact they have a term for the loanwords - Gairaigo.

561 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 7:50:35am

re: #559 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Nothing wrong with that. I have librarian and pack-rat genes from both sides of my family. Mainly read history and sci-fi with a smattering of biography and layman science non-fiction mixed in. (The latter generally from book exchanges with my brother.)

My dad likes to tell the humorous anecdote of when he first realized he was in real trouble as my parent. As a young boy - and I mean young, not more than 6 years old or so - I found Dad's organic chemistry college textbooks and read them. And proceeded to have a rational conversation with him about the concepts contained therein.

562 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 7:51:38am

re: #557 thedopefishlives

Thanks. That first one looks particularly appealing for a trivia gatherer like myself.

Do you read John McPhee at all?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

_Annals of the Former World_ is a collection of his. In a way it's almost a primer for basic geology, deep time, fossil stratigraphy, and tectonics.

563 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 7:52:28am

re: #562 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Do you read John McPhee at all?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

_Annals of the Former World_ is a collection of his. In a way it's almost a primer for basic geology, deep time, fossil stratigraphy, and tectonics.

Never read him, but it looks fascinating.

564 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 7:55:20am

re: #563 thedopefishlives

Never read him, but it looks fascinating.

John McPhee is great. Read 'em all.

565 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:00:52am

re: #536 Obdicut

I have been working way too much. I'm getting too irate at stuff I should be laughing at the idiocy of. I need a minivacation or staycation or some bullshit terminology term for just taking it freaking easy.

This is my problem in being my own boss. I am a workaholic, I keep taking on more and more work. It's really hard to say no to another job and more money and more stuff to do. But I really got to. I haven't snapped at my wife or anything yet but, judging from my reaction to trolls around here, I'm down to my last thin wire.

I hope this nice weather holds. If it does, I can put my current projects to bed over the next couple of weeks, carve out some space, and just lie around in the sunshine.

Part of the problem is I bill at completion of project, so right now I have a ton of payments coming, but very little in the bank account right now, which really exacerbates my MUST WORK MORE attitude.

If you can't take a several-days break, take a one day break. Get as far away as you can on public transit, take walks and read in cafes, don't come home until after dark. Leave in the dark too, if you can. Don't take a phone. (That might be the hard part.)

566 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:03:24am

re: #565 wrenchwench

It'll have to wait for the weekend.

Maybe I'll go to the Cloisters.

[Link: www.metmuseum.org...]

567 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:04:35am

Something's going on in the rough neighborhood near me.
Police helicopters, guy in helicopter has gun, sirens oh my.

568 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:04:46am

re: #566 Obdicut

It'll have to wait for the weekend.

Maybe I'll go to the Cloisters.

[Link: www.metmuseum.org...]

Everybody needs a break sometimes. Thankfully for me, my wife serves as an excellent diversion from the dangers of workaholism. She's very spontaneous and all, "Why don't you just take the day off and we'll go do XYZ today?"

569 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:05:13am

re: #567 Varek Raith

Something's going on in the rough neighborhood near me.
Police helicopters, guy in helicopter has gun, sirens oh my.

WAR.

570 Gus  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:07:50am

WAR!

Hurr, hurr, e-derpity, derpy, derp.

571 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:09:59am

re: #563 thedopefishlives

Never read him, but it looks fascinating.

I've read 5-6 of his works. From the subject of the Merchant Marine to the composition of the Swiss Army. Quality is a bit uneven at times in my opinion.

I particularly liked _Annals of the Former World_ since I knew some of the subject matter due to my brother, and have traveled over some of the
terrain described*.

* - The collected work is essentially a geological travel along I-80; including Pennsylvania and California in particular.

572 Gus  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:10:06am

Sandra Luke’s Boyfriend Is a Jewy Jew Jew
When Jew-spotting goes (very) south

573 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:10:45am

re: #572 Gus

The fuck didn't know what hit him ;)

574 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:11:42am

Well, I was just informed that I am expected to spend the end of March and beginning of April in Germany for the project go-live. Not sure if I'll be staying near Frankfurt or Cologne yet.

575 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:12:47am

re: #574 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Well, I was just informed that I am expected to spend the end of March and beginning of April in Germany for the project go-live. Not sure if I'll be staying near Frankfurt or Cologne yet.

Sounds like fun times.

576 Gus  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:12:58am

re: #573 Freeze Peach

The fuck didn't know what hit him ;)

Brooks Bayne is an idiot regardless of his alleged, minor, business successes. The many is an obsessive, compulsive nut job.

577 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:14:05am

Some of us wondered about the motivation of the Occupy supporters on Iranian TV and visiting Tehran. It's interesting to see the decision rationalized in an Occupiers own words.
A Wall Street Occupier in Tehran

Editor's Note: Dr. Heather Gautney is an assistant professor of sociology at Fordham University, supporter of Occupy Wall Street and author of Protest and Organization in the Alternative Globalization Era (Palgrave Macmillan). The views expressed in this article are solely those of Heather Gautney.

578 Gus  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:15:29am

re: #382 Freeze Peach

[Embedded content]

You guys figure out what this means yet?

He's saying that he has friends that can jump. I.e., think about the movie, "White Men Can't Jump." He's saying "I have black friends" or something.

579 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:16:45am

re: #578 Gus

Yes, of course. He thinks he is being clever with his irony about stereotypes or something, but he just looks lame.

580 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:16:50am

re: #575 thedopefishlives

Sounds like fun times.

Going to be real busy I'm sure.

However, since the period I'm expected to be there ends in a few German holidays (April 6 and April 9) I will be looking into delaying my return to the US for a few days and see if I take the opportunity to play tourist for a day or two. At the minimum I can probably do some scouting for a Germany/France vacation in the next year or so.

581 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:18:21am

re: #580 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Have you been to Koeln previously?

582 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:18:31am

I work with idiots and can only be here once a week for a short time for an actual intelligent conversation. I swear I'm getting mental blue balls.
Morning Honcos.

583 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:18:59am

re: #582 Cannadian Club Akbar

I work with idiots and can only be here once a week for a short time for an actual intelligent conversation. I swear I'm getting mental blue balls.
Morning Honcos.

No prob, you can unload here!

584 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:19:23am

re: #582 Cannadian Club Akbar

I work with idiots and can only be here once a week for a short time for an actual intelligent conversation. I swear I'm getting mental blue balls.
Morning Honcos.

At least you get some exposure to something approaching normal intelligence. It could be a lot worse.

585 Shropshire_Slasher  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:20:52am

This will give you the willies:
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

586 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:21:00am

re: #583 Freeze Peach

No prob, you can unload here!

I work with a guy who is a great worker. Just found out he did 5 years in prison for having sex with an underage girl when he was 28 or 29. He's on probation for an additional 10 years. You would have never guessed.

587 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:21:44am

re: #586 Cannadian Club Akbar

I work with a guy who is a great worker. Just found out he did 5 years in prison for having sex with an underage girl when he was 28 or 29. He's on probation for an additional 10 years. You would have never guessed.

oh.

588 Gus  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:21:50am

re: #579 Freeze Peach

Yes, of course. He thinks he is being clever with his irony about stereotypes or something, but he just looks lame.

Cutting edge politically-incorrect political satire!

You just don't get it.

//

589 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:22:22am

re: #588 Gus

WAR.

590 Gus  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:22:35am

re: #589 Freeze Peach

WAR.

WAR!

591 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:22:56am

re: #590 Gus

WAR!

Yep. WAR.

592 Gus  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:23:18am

re: #591 Freeze Peach

Yep. WAR.

White...

593 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:23:38am

re: #592 Gus

White...

WHARGARBL

594 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:24:11am

re: #589 Freeze Peach

WAR.

What is it good for?

595 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:24:39am

re: #566 Obdicut

It'll have to wait for the weekend.

Maybe I'll go to the Cloisters.

[Link: www.metmuseum.org...]

I had a boyfriend who lived in NYC on the cheap for about a year and a half. That was one of his escapes.

I just had a visit in here from a rancher who didn't buy anything, but we had a nice chat during which he pulled out his photos of his wife and his first car, and told me about his 29 grandchildren. What a sweetie. That was like a mini-vacation right there.

Happens all the time.

596 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:25:38am

Oh. And for all you college basketball geeks, don't count out the University of South Florida. They beat the dog shit out of Cal last night. The score was closer than the game.

597 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:29:10am

Geekery killed the thread. WAR.

598 Gus  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:29:44am

re: #597 Freeze Peach

Geekery killed the thread. WAR.

Making a page.

599 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:30:17am

re: #598 Gus

On the above-mentioned stool-eater?

600 Gus  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:32:07am

re: #599 Freeze Peach

On the above-mentioned stool-eater?

Si.

601 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:32:30am

Happy Idesday, everyone!

602 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:32:40am

re: #600 Gus

Si.

Хорошо.

603 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:32:47am

This place is running slow for me. I'll restart.

604 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:33:33am

re: #586 Cannadian Club Akbar

I work with a guy who is a great worker. Just found out he did 5 years in prison for having sex with an underage girl when he was 28 or 29. He's on probation for an additional 10 years. You would have never guessed.

1. Help him get a raise.
2. Keep him away from kids.

We have no trouble thinking good people can go bad, but find it difficult to believe bad people can become good.

605 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:33:56am

re: #597 Freeze Peach

Geekery killed the thread. WAR.

Don't mind me, geeking out to some good music.

606 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:34:57am

(Everybody hide and when CCA returns let's scare him.)

607 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:36:56am

re: #606 Freeze Peach

(Everybody hide and when CCA returns let's scare him.)

BOO!!!!

608 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:36:59am

re: #606 Freeze Peach

(Everybody hide and when CCA returns let's scare him.)

We probably do that without hiding.

609 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:37:35am

re: #608 BongCrodny

We probably do that without hiding.

Some more than others.
/

610 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:38:54am

re: #609 Cannadian Club Akbar

Some more than others.
/

Fine, I'll put the bazooka away. Jeez, a guy wants to have some lighthearted fun, and before you know it, the Fun Police show up./

611 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:39:19am

re: #581 Freeze Peach

Have you been to Koeln previously?

Never been in Germany before, period. A few weeks in England/one day in Scotland over a decade ago is my European exposure so far.

612 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:40:08am

re: #609 Cannadian Club Akbar

Some more than others.
/

Hey! I resemble that remark!

613 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:41:44am

re: #577 Killgore Trout

A very sad piece. Hearkens back to the support of Stalin among some individuals in 1930s-1950s. Not quite as bad, but the same vector.

614 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:42:17am

re: #607 Cannadian Club Akbar

BOO!!!

BBL, scheduled pants change.

615 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:42:59am

re: #614 Freeze Peach

BBL, scheduled pants change.

At least you're wearing pants.

616 Gus  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:43:01am
617 Gus  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:43:20am

Thought I already posted that. Derp!

618 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:43:39am

re: #611 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Never been in Germany before, period. A few weeks in England/one day in Scotland over a decade ago is my European exposure so far.

I've been there for half a day, for the usual tourist attractions (Koelner Dom and whatnot). It seems niftier than Frankfurt to me.

619 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:47:24am

[Link: www.empireonline.com...]

It's getting on for seven years since Robert Rodriguez's Sin City breathed green-screen life into Frank Miller's noir comic series. Since then there's been constant talk of a sequel and much in the way of development hell. But we finally seem closer than ever to Sin City 2 actually happening, with Rodriguez announcing at the SXSW festival that he plans to return to Miller World in the summer, right after shooting his Machete sequel, Machete Kills, in the spring.

620 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:48:29am

re: #613 Freeze Peach

A very sad piece. Hearkens back to the support of Stalin among some individuals in 1930s-1950s. Not quite as bad, but the same vector.

I actually wanted to write "some intellectuals".

621 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:50:43am

re: #619 Freeze Peach

[Link: www.empireonline.com...]

I'm honestly beginning to think that development hell is a rite of passage for films these days.

622 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:51:40am

re: #621 Targetpractice

I'm honestly beginning to think that development hell is a rite of passage for films these days.

Limbo of infants movies.

623 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:53:06am

re: #619 Freeze Peach

[Link: www.empireonline.com...]

It's getting on for seven years since Robert Rodriguez's Sin City breathed green-screen life into Frank Miller's noir comic series.

I'd like to see "Sin City 2."

Just as long as long as nobody adapts Miller's "Holy Terror." "Holy Terror" was "Holy Terrible."

624 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:54:40am

what the hell is a hoosier

625 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:55:10am

re: #623 BongCrodny

I'd like to see "Sin City 2."

Just as long as long as nobody adapts Miller's "Holy Terror." "Holy Terror" was "Holy Terrible."

I want to see Sin City 2. But I don't want that wingnut freak Miller to get even more royalties or whatever is it that he gets. Choices, choices.

626 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:55:13am

re: #624 SpaceJesus

what the hell is a hoosier

Someone from Indiana.

627 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:55:44am

re: #622 Freeze Peach

Limbo of infants movies.

It's like every movie I want to see on the big screen has spent months, if not years, stuck there. If the studio's not demanding script rewrites, it's that the stars want rewrites or have gone to other projects, or the director just up and abandoned the whole thing.

628 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:56:05am

re: #624 SpaceJesus

what the hell is a hoosier

[Link: www.in.gov...]

629 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:56:05am

re: #626 Cannadian Club Akbar

Someone from Indiana.

Presumably he wants to know the origin of the term. In which case, nobody actually knows. Even the Hoosiers themselves tell varying stories, depending on whom you ask.

630 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:57:29am

re: #629 thedopefishlives

Presumably he wants to know the origin of the term. In which case, nobody actually knows. Even the Hoosiers themselves tell varying stories, depending on whom you ask.

I was gonna say a Gene Hackman movie but it's to early to be a smart ass.
///

631 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:58:50am

re: #630 Cannadian Club Akbar

I was gonna say a Gene Hackman movie but it's to early to be a smart ass.
///

It's never too early to be a smartass.

632 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:59:03am

re: #624 SpaceJesus

what the hell is a hoosier

Is this a trick question?

633 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:00:14am

re: #632 Freeze Peach

not really, it's a weird word. someone who makes pantyhose? does indiana make lots of pantyhose or something?

634 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:00:51am

re: #613 Freeze Peach

A very sad piece. Hearkens back to the support of Stalin among some individuals in 1930s-1950s. Not quite as bad, but the same vector.

Yeah. I read that and I thought "starbursts!"

Talking about the "intellectual and spiritual development" of a man (Khomeini) who was by all accounts was a big fan of executing gays is utter hogwash.

635 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:01:12am

re: #632 Freeze Peach

Is this a trick question?

No. This is:
If mares eat oats and doe's eat oats and little lambs eat ivy, kiddies eat ivy to to, wouldn't you?
/

636 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:02:55am

re: #633 SpaceJesus

not really, it's a weird word. someone who makes pantyhose? does indiana make lots of pantyhose or something?

It's pronounced "who-sheers" not "hose-ers". FWIW.

637 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:03:21am

re: #624 SpaceJesus

what the hell is a hoosier

Somebody who hooses?

638 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:03:28am

re: #633 SpaceJesus

Nobody really knows. There's a couple of competing theories, including one that it started with a black preacher that I find the most credible. His last name was Hoosier.

639 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:04:19am

Good morning lizards!

640 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:04:44am

re: #613 Freeze Peach

A very sad piece. Hearkens back to the support of Stalin among some individuals in 1930s-1950s. Not quite as bad, but the same vector.

I thought it was very interesting. At least the lefties and the Stalinists had a bit of shared ideology. She's shilling for a theocracy and seems to be willing to become a useful idiot of sorts. Even more interesting is her statements about some of her fellow academics who happened to be iranian encouraging her to go. The Iranian government seems mostly interesting in encouraging the anti-war sentiment in OWS. It does set up the possibility that they could be using the movement in an attempt to sway public opinion here in America. I suspect that this could lead to problems if the alliance between Iran and OWS becomes too cozy.

641 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:05:23am

re: #633 SpaceJesus

not really, it's a weird word. someone who makes pantyhose? does indiana make lots of pantyhose or something?

Ah, so you just wanted the etymology? (I assume most Americans know what a Hoosier is). There's a googleable big article with dozens of etymological hypotheses out there somewhere.

642 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:05:55am

re: #636 Cannadian Club Akbar

It's pronounced "who-sheers" not "hose-ers". FWIW.

Hoo-zher, I think.

643 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:07:14am

re: #634 BongCrodny

Yeah. I read that and I thought "starbursts!"

Talking about the "intellectual and spiritual development" of a man (Khomeini) who was by all accounts was a big fan of executing gays is utter hogwash.

Yeah, that was pretty creepy too. She's probably not a stupid person but she definitely has some screws loose.

644 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:07:54am

re: #639 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

How's life in the land of dial up?

645 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:10:35am

re: #595 wrenchwench

I had a boyfriend who lived in NYC on the cheap for about a year and a half. That was one of his escapes.

I just had a visit in here from a rancher who didn't buy anything, but we had a nice chat during which he pulled out his photos of his wife and his first car, and told me about his 29 grandchildren. What a sweetie. That was like a mini-vacation right there.

Happens all the time.

Heh. I have 30 grandchildren.

646 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:11:27am

re: #645 Learned Mother of Zion

Heh. I have 30 grandchildren.

Man, that's a lot of birthdays and such to shop for!
:)

647 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:11:32am

Alrighty. Gotta run. I can finally afford to go buy some new shoes. Sports Authority is much cheaper than Dick's. Guess I know how Dick's got it's name.:) See y'all soon.

648 Shropshire_Slasher  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:11:32am

re: #636 Cannadian Club Akbar

step off you hoser

649 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:11:50am

re: #640 Killgore Trout

It's like, she is swayed by how people are nice (and it's not like she's wrong, they are), so this somehow translates into this complexity of thinking about Khomeini. I got nothing against the anti-war message as such, but she's doing it wrong.

650 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:14:38am

re: #649 Freeze Peach

It reminds me of Bush and Putin's soul.

651 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:15:08am

re: #649 Freeze Peach

It's like, she is swayed by how people are nice (and it's not like she's wrong, they are), so this somehow translates into this complexity of thinking about Khomeini. I got nothing against the anti-war message as such, but she's doing it wrong.

Agreed. Persians are fantastic people, I can't argue with that but she was schmoozed by government minders from an oppressive regime. There's certainly a lot of reasonable debate about possible military action against Iran but posing with the anti-aircraft guns is pretty stupid.

652 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:18:50am

re: #649 Freeze Peach

It's like, she is swayed by how people are nice (and it's not like she's wrong, they are), so this somehow translates into this complexity of thinking about Khomeini. I got nothing against the anti-war message as such, but she's doing it wrong.

She got the part right about the Shah being brutal, and then went completely off the rails by relaying the comments praising Khomeini.

653 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:20:06am

re: #652 BongCrodny

She got the part right about the Shah being brutal, and then went completely off the rails by relaying the comments praising Khomeini.

I'd like her to comment on a couple of photos of Iranian cranes.

654 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:21:32am

Being the definitive event of my generation, I've done a lot of reading on 9/11 and on the physics behind the collapse of the Towers. It wasn't until today, though, that I finally found an article that described the calculation of dynamic load generated by the top section falling onto the floor below. Extremely enlightening when contrasted with the Twoofer assertions that the buildings' safety margins "should've resisted the total collapse."

655 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:22:12am

re: #654 thedopefishlives

Interesting. Linky?

656 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:22:58am

re: #655 Freeze Peach

Interesting. Linky?

[Link: www.nmsr.org...]

657 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:23:57am

re: #656 thedopefishlives

Damn. I used to visit NMSR regularly, but haven't been there for years now and forgot all about them. Thanks.

658 leftynyc  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:24:44am

re: #144 Bubblehead II

Just asked my Wife how Michelle looked in that dress. She took one look and said pregnant. Don't ask me why. She basically said it wasn't fat because if it was, it would also be showing up in her face as well. Ladies?

Myself, I thought she looked hot.

You're right and your wife is wrong. It's a stunning dress and she looks great.

659 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:26:37am

re: #657 Freeze Peach

Damn. I used to visit NMSR regularly, but haven't been there for years now and forgot all about them. Thanks.

Yeah, I don't think I've ever been there before. I was skulking through the forums on JREF and someone in the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories subforum linked to those pages.

660 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:27:37am

re: #659 thedopefishlives

Heh. Then you probably have a lot of good reading ahead at their site.

661 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:28:30am

re: #660 Freeze Peach

Heh. Then you probably have a lot of good reading ahead at their site.

Indeed. Fascinating educational material 1, Productivity 0.

662 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:29:36am

re: #661 thedopefishlives

Lucky you :P

663 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:30:35am

re: #662 Freeze Peach

Lucky you :P

Not so lucky if I don't actually get the work done ;)

664 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:31:18am

re: #663 thedopefishlives

As we say, the work is not a wolf, it won't run away to the forest :P

665 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:33:11am

re: #664 Freeze Peach

As we say, the work is not a wolf, it won't run away to the forest :P

Work is for suckers.

667 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:36:57am

re: #666 Freeze Peach

I see what you did there.

668 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:37:04am

re: #645 Learned Mother of Zion

Heh. I have 30 grandchildren.

And counting!

669 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:38:10am

Morning all!

OMG! too cute!

How goes it?

670 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:38:39am

re: #669 ggt

Morning all!

OMG! too cute!

How goes it?

Kitty Sutra?

671 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:39:35am
672 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:40:52am

re: #644 Killgore Trout

How's life in the land of dial up?

I haven't logged in since I got the damn thing. I let my wife check the emails. I heard we may have high speed from Verizon by September.

673 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:41:11am

re: #656 thedopefishlives

[Link: www.nmsr.org...]

Speaking of weirdos in NM, I found out yesterday that the woman across the street thinks Obama is an alien. Not a Kenyan, but some kind of reptilian. Believes a whole lot of other weird stuff too. Fortunately, I didn't have to talk to her to find this out, Mr. w did. And she's moving to California as soon as she can to be closer to her daughter when the world come to an end.

674 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:42:38am

re: #672 NJDhockeyfan

I haven't logged in since I got the damn thing. I let my wife check the emails. I heard we may have high speed from Verizon by September.

EVERYONE, TALK IN ALL CAPS.
IT'S THE ONLY WAY HE'LL HEAR US.

675 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:43:01am

re: #672 NJDhockeyfan

I haven't logged in since I got the damn thing. I let my wife check the emails. I heard we may have high speed from Verizon by September.

Nice! Just in time to hunker down inside for the winter and cruise the net.

676 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:44:02am

re: #675 Killgore Trout

Nice! Just in time to hunker down inside for the winter and cruise the net.

I just bought a smart TV. I can't wait to use the internet part of it.


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