Obama: Republican Green Energy Deniers Like ‘Flat Earth Society’

Calling out the anti-science right wing
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President Obama let the right wing anti-science mob have it today: Obama Compares Republicans to ‘Flat Earth Society’ for Stance on Green Energy.

This is excellent. More, please.

President Obama blasted his Republican critics Thursday for their resistance to investing in alternative energy sources, comparing their stance to the beliefs of those who thought that Columbus would sail off the edge of the world.

In another in a series of speeches defending his energy policies, Obama touted his push for green energy growth — including wind and solar power, electric cars and biofuels — as a way to help wean the nation from a dependence on foreign oil. And he mocked his rivals for failing to embrace his ideas.

“If some of these folks were around when Columbus set sail, they probably must have been founding members of the flat earth society. They would not believe that the world was round,” Obama told an enthusiastic crowd of hundreds of students at Prince George’s Community College in Largo. “Maybe they would have agreed with one of the pioneers of the radio who apparently said, ‘Television won’t last. It’s a flash in the pan.’ ”

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112 comments
1 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:46:04am

The obstructionism of the GOP for any possible solutions to AGW has been so depressing. I get it from the extreme religious fanatics, but the science-denying has infected everyone in the GOP, it seems. There's no room for deviation from the party line.

Oh, and Columbus wasn't trying to prove the world was round.

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:46:30am

Heh. I can foresee the line of wingnut attack here: that people in Columbus' time believed in flat earth is a myth, so Obama believes in this myth, teehee! (Actually, he's giving a hypothetical.)

3 ramex  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:48:32am

Obama's doing the right thing here. The majority of howling right wing denialists are beyond debating now, and they deserve no more than getting teased.

4 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:49:46am

Maybe this will give Faux news something else to chase around for a few days.

Obama's being mean to us!

5 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:51:06am

re: #3 ramex

Obama's doing the right thing here. The majority of howling right wing denialists are beyond debating now, and they deserve no more than getting teased.

Agreed, debating the GOP on this matter is pointless. They think that the only future for America lies in dino-juice, no matter how many market experts inform them that drilling every bit of land in America will not significantly lower oil prices, that OPEC will simply lower production or China and India will increase consumption to match increases in US production.

6 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:52:22am

Longing for the glories of yesteryear that maybe weren't quite so "glorious"? Sounds like Obama has hit the nail right on the head.

7 Simply Sarah  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:53:07am

I'm a bit torn on this. On the one hand, I'm afraid the Columbus comment will allow Obama to be countered on the fact that he's completely wrong about people thinking the Earth was flat back then, allowing the actual substance of his point to be ignored. On the other hand, maybe it would at least finally get people to learn that the "Everyone thought the world was flat!" myth is a bunch of bunk.

8 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:54:43am

re: #7 Simply Sarah

I'm a bit torn on this. On the one hand, I'm afraid the Columbus comment will allow Obama to be countered on the fact that he's completely wrong about people thinking the Earth was flat back then, allowing the actual substance of his point to be ignored. On the other hand, maybe it would at least finally get people to learn that the "Everyone thought the world was flat!" myth is a bunch of bunk.

Oh, his critics will jump on the Columbus bit, just as they did the Sputnik one. Why argue the substance of his speech when they can snicker at his "goof-up."

9 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:55:27am

re: #7 Simply Sarah

I'm a bit torn on this. On the one hand, I'm afraid the Columbus comment will allow Obama to be countered on the fact that he's completely wrong about people thinking the Earth was flat back then, allowing the actual substance of his point to be ignored. On the other hand, maybe it would at least finally get people to learn that the "Everyone thought the world was flat!" myth is a bunch of bunk.

Can you elaborate about this myth?

10 Simply Sarah  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:55:28am

re: #8 Targetpractice

Oh, his critics will jump on the Columbus bit, just as they did the Sputnik one. Why argue the substance of his speech when they can snicker at his "goof-up."

57 STATES!!!111

11 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:55:57am

Note that he didn't actually say such people existed, only that wingnuts would be such people if they were back then ;)

12 Tigger2005  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:56:13am

As a stickler for historical accuracy, I'd like to state that most EDUCATED people of Columbus' time believed (or knew, really) that the world is a sphere. Otherwise Columbus could never have secured backing for his expedition.

When I was in the 7th grade this lady who was a full-time phys ed teacher and a part-time history teacher told the class in all authority, "Columbus sailed to prove the world was round!" I raised my hand and said, "Um, actually, he sailed because he wanted to get rich and famous."

13 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:56:45am

re: #9 Bulworth

Can you elaborate about this myth?

It started in some popular, non-historical account of Columbus' voyage. People didn't believe in flat earth at that time.

14 Gus  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:57:12am

"Green energy" is the greatest threat to the Constitution since the demise of the coal fired steam locomotive!

15 Simply Sarah  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:57:40am

re: #9 Bulworth

Can you elaborate about this myth?

Oh, it's simple. It was already well settled by the time of Columbus (And really throughout history in general), at least among the educated classes, that the Earth was some sort of sphere. The myth is, of course, that everyone thought the world was flat and Columbus was some sort of bold visionary going against what was commonly believed.

16 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:58:08am

re: #15 Simply Sarah

Oh, it's simple. It was already well settled by the time of Columbus (And really throughout history in general), at least among the educated classes, that the Earth was some sort of sphere. The myth is, of course, that everyone thought the world was flat and Columbus was some sort of bold visionary going against what was commonly believed.

OK, thanks.

17 TDG2112  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:58:10am

re: #5 Targetpractice

But don't forget, the US has increased production to its highest levels in years, as well as decreased it's usage to its lowest levels in years.

So for all the talk on the Republican talk about an "All of the above" strategy, they really don't want to recognize that is exactly this president's policy and what has been happening.

18 Tumulus11  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:59:20am

. '... and guitar music is on the way out.'

19 Simply Sarah  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:59:41am

re: #13 Freeze Peach

It started in some popular, non-historical account of Columbus' voyage. People didn't believe in flat earth at that time.

It's part of the "Look how stupid people used to be. Look how much smarter we are now!" mindset that tends to be popular. At least when people aren't going "Look how much smarter people used to be! Why are we forsaking what they knew even back then?"

20 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 9:59:46am

re: #17 TDG2112

But don't forget, the US has increased production to its highest levels in years, as well as decreased it's usage to its lowest levels in years.

So for all the talk on the Republican talk about an "All of the above" strategy, they really don't want to recognize that is exactly this president's policy and what has been happening.

They've rolled that into their big election "strategy" for this year: "In spite of." As in anything good that happens or has happened by November happened "in spite of" Obama being in office.

21 jaunte  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:00:03am

'Flat Earth society' is a little easier for the audience to understand than 'geocentric society' but he has a good point that these people are out there and have an influence that should be disputed.

Gallup: "As far as you know, does the earth revolve around the sun or does the sun revolve around the earth?" In the new poll, about four out of five Americans (79%) correctly respond that the earth revolves around the sun, while 18% say it is the other way around.[Link: www.gallup.com...]

22 Archangelus  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:00:27am

Predicting Wingnut heads imploding in 3....2....1... * removes and opens extra large umbrella *

23 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:01:13am

re: #12 Tigger2005

As a stickler for historical accuracy, I'd like to state that most EDUCATED people of Columbus' time believed (or knew, really) that the world is a sphere. Otherwise Columbus could never have secured backing for his expedition.

When I was in the 7th grade this lady who was a full-time phys ed teacher and a part-time history teacher told the class in all authority, "Columbus sailed to prove the world was round!" I raised my hand and said, "Um, actually, he sailed because he wanted to get rich and famous."

Besides either way it was Magellan (or at least his men) who came up with the first indisputable proof that the world was round.

24 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:01:37am

re: #19 Simply Sarah

It's part of the "Look how stupid people used to be. Look how much smarter we are now!" mindset that tends to be popular. At least when people aren't going "Look how much smarter people used to be! Why are we forsaking what they knew even back then?"

Oh yeah. Everyone lived in filth and feces. People ate natural food and breathed fresh air. They were ignorant and bigoted. They knew more about world than we do now. Etc.

25 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:02:12am

re: #24 Freeze Peach

Oh yeah. Everyone lived in filth and feces. People ate natural food and breathed fresh air. They were ignorant and bigoted. They knew more about world than we do now. Etc.

How do you know he's the king?

Because he's not covered in shit.

26 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:02:36am

re: #18 Tumulus11

. '... and guitar music is on the way out.'

"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers"

27 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:02:38am

re: #23 jamesfirecat

Besides either way it was Magellan (or at least his men) who came up with the first indisputable proof that the world was round.

I think the ancient Greeks did it.

28 Tigger2005  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:02:40am
"Um, actually, he sailed because he wanted to get rich and famous."

Thinking about it again, I said something more like "I think he sailed because he wanted to find a short sea route to the Indies."

Columbus stretched the truth considerably to get backing for his voyage. He used the smallest estimated global circumference available and the largest possible estimates for the westward extent of the Asian landmass.

29 Simply Sarah  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:02:54am

re: #12 Tigger2005

As a stickler for historical accuracy, I'd like to state that most EDUCATED people of Columbus' time believed (or knew, really) that the world is a sphere. Otherwise Columbus could never have secured backing for his expedition.

When I was in the 7th grade this lady who was a full-time phys ed teacher and a part-time history teacher told the class in all authority, "Columbus sailed to prove the world was round!" I raised my hand and said, "Um, actually, he sailed because he wanted to get rich and famous."

It's one of those many things we 'learn' in school/the media that no one seems to care isn't actually true or complete. Sort of how in elementary school we learned about all the great European explorers and colonists and stuff, but generally neglected the "And then they killed, raped, and/or enslaved all the native people and took their land" parts.

30 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:03:05am

re: #7 Simply Sarah

I'm a bit torn on this. On the one hand, I'm afraid the Columbus comment will allow Obama to be countered on the fact that he's completely wrong about people thinking the Earth was flat back then, allowing the actual substance of his point to be ignored. On the other hand, maybe it would at least finally get people to learn that the "Everyone thought the world was flat!" myth is a bunch of bunk.

I think the comparison to the Flat Earthers of yesteryear is quite appropriate. Targeting the current crop of Flat Earth Whacko's might make people look around at with whom they are associating.

Some, will never even try. The Obama hatred is so deep. I don't get it.

31 Simply Sarah  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:03:48am

re: #24 Freeze Peach

Oh yeah. Everyone lived in filth and feces. People ate natural food and breathed fresh air. They were ignorant and bigoted. They knew more about world than we do now. Etc.

Pretty much!

32 Tigger2005  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:04:19am

re: #27 Freeze Peach

I think the ancient Greeks did it.

Who was the guy who stuck the sticks in the ground and measured the shadows? He came up with an remarkably accurate estimate of the Earth's circumference from those measurements.

33 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:04:32am

re: #27 Freeze Peach

I think the ancient Greeks did it.

Well I meant in the sense that he (or to be more exact his men since he sort of died on the voyage) were the first people to leave Europe, and keep sailing West till they got back where they started.

34 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:04:57am

re: #32 Tigger2005

Who was the guy who stuck the sticks in the ground and measured the shadows? He came up with an remarkably accurate estimate of the Earth's circumference from those measurements.

Eratosthenes.

35 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:05:34am

re: #33 jamesfirecat

Sure, but indisputable proof was available millenia before that.

36 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:05:39am

re: #21 jaunte

'Flat Earth society' is a little easier for the audience to understand than 'geocentric society' but he has a good point that these people are out there and have an influence that should be disputed.

Doesn't mean they are flat earthers. I might be inclined to think that 1/5 have a learning disability and didn't read the question correctly.

Yes, I think the scale is that high on inability to read.

37 allegro  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:05:49am

I am looking forward to the conversation progressing to the REAL issue here and that is discussing the question of fossil fuel industry profits now vs the well-being of the planet's species in the very near future. We know where the funding is coming from to support negating the science and fighting efforts to diminish the destructive effects of fossil fuel use. How do we make that knowledge the focus of the debate to the general less informed public and strip away the bullshit?

38 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:06:11am

re: #36 ggt

Also, a lot of funny folks would answer incorrectly just for lulz.

39 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:06:22am

re: #27 Freeze Peach

I think the ancient Greeks did it.

The Greeks and Egyptians both.

40 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:06:35am

re: #10 Simply Sarah

57 STATES!!!111

Again?

41 Simply Sarah  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:07:02am

re: #37 allegro

I am looking forward to the conversation progressing to the REAL issue here and that is discussing the question of fossil fuel industry profits now vs the well-being of the planet's species in the very near future. We know where the funding is coming from to support negating the science and fighting efforts to diminish the destructive effects of fossil fuel use. How do we make that knowledge the focus of the debate to the general less informed public and strip away the bullshit?

Nonsense! The real important issue is that the President was wrong! On the internet!
/

42 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:07:07am

re: #34 Freeze Peach

Eratosthenes.

It was accepted after the 5th century BC that the Earth was round, with the Pythagorean school being the postulated birth place of the theory.

43 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:07:23am

re: #35 Freeze Peach

Most people didn't even consider the subject, really.

44 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:07:29am

re: #37 allegro

I am looking forward to the conversation progressing to the REAL issue here and that is discussing the question of fossil fuel industry profits now vs the well-being of the planet's species in the very near future. We know where the funding is coming from to support negating the science and fighting efforts to diminish the destructive effects of fossil fuel use. How do we make that knowledge the focus of the debate to the general less informed public and strip away the bullshit?

It seems that we don't. We use the Reality Show Concept as a red herring and distract the masses, then do what we want and know what is correct.

;0

45 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:08:36am

re: #43 Obdicut

Most people didn't even consider the subject, really.

Which would make Obama's example perfect, if you think about it ;)

46 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:09:06am

re: #37 allegro

I am looking forward to the conversation progressing to the REAL issue here and that is discussing the question of fossil fuel industry profits now vs the well-being of the planet's species in the very near future. We know where the funding is coming from to support negating the science and fighting efforts to diminish the destructive effects of fossil fuel use. How do we make that knowledge the focus of the debate to the general less informed public and strip away the bullshit?

Problem is that the oil companies, when caught pushing the Big Lie, proceed to begin wringing their hands and whining that if efforts are made to control climate change, it's gonna mean higher energy costs. And that inevitably causes the public to panic, as they're worried about their bills today, instead of their grandkids learning about the lost city of Virginia Beach.

48 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:09:35am

re: #35 Freeze Peach

Sure, but indisputable proof was available millenia before that.

Well then he /his men provided the empirical evidence I believe would be the correct term.

49 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:09:45am

later all!

50 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:10:12am

re: #47 Kragar

PA GOP Governor Defends Ultrasounds Bill: Tells Concerned Women ‘You Just Have To Close Your Eyes’

Asshole.

"Close your eyes and think of England."

Yegods, what a douchebag.

51 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:11:13am

re: #47 Kragar

PA GOP Governor Defends Ultrasounds Bill: Tells Concerned Women ‘You Just Have To Close Your Eyes’

Asshole.

Let me know if "just closing your eyes" ever made a colonoscopy a less painful/humiliating experience.

52 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:11:15am
53 Simply Sarah  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:12:27am

re: #47 Kragar

PA GOP Governor Defends Ultrasounds Bill: Tells Concerned Women ‘You Just Have To Close Your Eyes’

Asshole.

*twitch*

I knew it wasn't, but I still held out empty hope that was from an Onion story. All I can really say at this point is that all the fucking fuckers can go fucking fuck their fucking selves and then they can fucking leave us the fuck alone.

54 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:12:58am

re: #53 Simply Sarah

*twitch*

I knew it wasn't, but I still held out empty hope that was from an Onion story. All I can really say at this point is that all the fucking fuckers can go fucking fuck their fucking selves and then they can fucking leave us the fuck alone.

Fuckin' A!

55 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:14:07am

re: #53 Simply Sarah

*twitch*

I knew it wasn't, but I still held out empty hope that was from an Onion story. All I can really say at this point is that all the fucking fuckers can go fucking fuck their fucking selves and then they can fucking leave us the fuck alone.

Well, that certainly illustrates the diversity of the word.

57 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:15:30am
58 Simply Sarah  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:15:33am

re: #56 Freeze Peach

Sounds like a rapist.

Why yes. Yes he does. I'm glad that fact is coming across so clearly to everyone.

59 Charleston Chew  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:16:28am

In Jan. 2009, the President said in his Inaugural Address:

To those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history, but that we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.

I've always suspected that there's an implied second promise to that "if" statement that was left unspoken because it was inappropriate for the optimism of the Inauguration.

I also suspected that it was carefully worded to apply to more than just foreign dictators. I think the President has decided that the "clenched fist" party that has obstructed progress in this country is gonna get a lot less extended hand from him in 2012.

60 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:17:25am

re: #58 Simply Sarah

He should have added "Relax and try to enjoy it" for the good measure.

61 allegro  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:17:36am

re: #53 Simply Sarah

*twitch*

I knew it wasn't, but I still held out empty hope that was from an Onion story. All I can really say at this point is that all the fucking fuckers can go fucking fuck their fucking selves and then they can fucking leave us the fuck alone.

Actually, I want them to keep talking. I want them to spill all of their bile and contempt for women right out there where more and more can see it and recoil from the stench of it. I want to see the landscape saturated so more and more women and men go "Whoa, fuckers!" and vote these fucking fuckers out of office in disgrace.

62 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:17:58am

re: #34 Freeze Peach

Eratosthenes.

How come youse Russians know so much about Greeks?

(hypothetical question, I was astounded how much I learned about Greece from studying Russian literature and history)

63 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:18:08am

Woman feared husband would escalate his threats to Congress

Adrienne said her husband was not satisfied with the attention he received after sending a white powder mixture of celery salt and corn starch. She said he had plans to escalate his threats and even discussed going online to learn how to make explosives.
....

"He was convinced the country was on the verge of economic collapse within three to five years," Adrienne said. "He said he would do anything he can to hasten that process by making the government use resources to investigate his letters?"
...

Adrienne said her husband was involved with the online hacker group, Anonymous, helping to take down a government website several months ago. She did not know which website.

64 Simply Sarah  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:18:48am

re: #60 Freeze Peach

He should have added "Relax and try to enjoy it" for the good measure.

That would make me...I can't really detail that here because it's totally out of line and I know the rules.

65 Simply Sarah  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:19:32am

re: #61 allegro

Actually, I want them to keep talking. I want them to spill all of their bile and contempt for women right out there where more and more can see it and recoil from the stench of it. I want to see the landscape saturated so more and more women and men go "Whoa, fuckers!" and vote these fucking fuckers out of office in disgrace.

Well, yes. I'd rather not have to deal with such backwards and disgusting people to start with, though.

66 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:20:00am

re: #62 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

How come youse Russians know so much about Greeks?

(hypothetical question, I was astounded how much I learned about Greece from studying Russian literature and history)

Dunno. Doesn't everybody? half-/

67 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:20:37am

re: #47 Kragar

PA GOP Governor Defends Ultrasounds Bill: Tells Concerned Women ‘You Just Have To Close Your Eyes’

Asshole.

I know some Greys. With probes. I'll introduce them to this nice governor.

68 Kragar  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:22:03am

Anyone else hear that screaching?

The New York Times Rejects Anti-Muslim Advertisement

The New York Times rejected a full-page anti-Islam advertisement submitted by anti-Muslim activists Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer. The Times rejected the ad, which urges Muslims “to quit Islam,” because “the fallout from running this ad now could put U.S. troops and/or civilians in the [Afghan] region in danger,” Geller told The Daily Caller. The ad, a product of Geller and Spencer’s new group “Stop Islamization Of Nations” (SION), can be viewed after the jump.

69 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:22:35am

Okay, I've created a page for Professor Abrams very able article criticizing the critics of Bell back from 1998; the criticisms we're seeing of him now are simply more lurid and cartoonish versions of those launched against him then.

The text from her is reprinted with her permission.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

70 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:22:54am

re: #68 Kragar

Anyone else hear that screaching?

The New York Times Rejects Anti-Muslim Advertisement

THEY"RE CENSORING US!

71 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:22:54am

re: #67 Varek Raith

I know some Greys. With probes. I'll introduce them to this nice governor.

He'll love to singa.

72 Charleston Chew  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:23:19am

re: #12 Tigger2005

As a stickler for historical accuracy, I'd like to state that most EDUCATED people of Columbus' time believed (or knew, really) that the world is a sphere. Otherwise Columbus could never have secured backing for his expedition.

When I was in the 7th grade this lady who was a full-time phys ed teacher and a part-time history teacher told the class in all authority, "Columbus sailed to prove the world was round!" I raised my hand and said, "Um, actually, he sailed because he wanted to get rich and famous."

He hoped to find a route to the source of all spice so he could then have power over the Bene Gesserit and the Spacing Guild. Oh, wait, I'm getting confused again...

73 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:24:07am

re: #68 Kragar

Anyone else hear that screaching?

The New York Times Rejects Anti-Muslim Advertisement

I think the sound she just emitted was well above the human range of hearing.

/

74 Interesting Times  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:24:10am

re: #47 Kragar

PA GOP Governor Defends Ultrasounds Bill: Tells Concerned Women ‘You Just Have To Close Your Eyes’

Asshole.

75 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:24:47am

re: #69 Obdicut

Thanks! (Spotted typo: "Abram").

76 Strangeite  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:27:25am

My neighbors received the newsletter from the International Flat Earth Society until about 10 years ago.

Seriously. The previous owner was a member and after she died, they bought the house but literature kept showing up in the mailbox. They kept some, and it is remarkable how similar their arguments were to modern climate change deniers.

My favorite component to their "theory" was that Antartica is really a giant wall of ice that surrounds the Earth. Oh yeah, and that the sun is only a few dozen miles wide.

To the Society's credit, the literature was always very professional looking, given that they were complete whack jobs.

77 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:27:30am

Italian, British police arrest terrorism suspects

Italian and British anti-terrorism police arrested two people on Thursday, a woman in London and a Moroccan man living in northern Italy who officials said may have been planning an attack on a Milan synagogue.
Neither was named.

Italian police said the 20-year-old Moroccan, who grew up near the city, had a Facebook page dedicated to training in the use of weapons and explosives and documents on his computer showing maps and security around Milan's main synagogue. He may also have been planning other attacks, they said.

78 Gus  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:27:44am

*Instead of complaining about Marc Tracy's OMG imperfect opinion of Brooks Barney's BS why not come up with your own opinion. (Cough)

79 Gus  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:28:59am

I see your rejection of anti-Muslim ad in the New York times and raise you a "Muslim extremist" arrested in Europe!

//

80 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:29:01am

re: #76 Strangeite

There was a flat-earther on Fark. She was really weird. She could never really explain much of anything, since her argument mainly consisted of a gigantic conspiracy theory that started with people who made telescopes wrong but were too embarrassed to admit it or something.

81 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:29:21am

re: #9 Bulworth

Can you elaborate about this myth?

My understanding is that the well educated of Europe were pretty certain the world was round. But, they underestimated the circumference of the Earth.

Columbus, when he set sail, was working from the assumption that the ocean to the west of Europe and the ocean to the east of Asia were the same ocean.

As to the uneducated of Europe, I doubt they even thought about the shape of the world at all. At that time most peoples's worlds were about a day's walk in size.

82 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:29:43am

re: #69 Obdicut

Also "tress".

83 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:29:54am

re: #77 NJDhockeyfan

Italian police said the 20-year-old Moroccan, who grew up near the city, had a Facebook page dedicated to training in the use of weapons and explosives and documents on his computer showing maps and security around Milan's main synagogue. He may also have been planning other attacks, they said.

What a moron.

84 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:30:26am

re: #79 Gus

I see your rejection of anti-Muslim ad in the New York times and raise you a "Muslim extremist" arrested in Europe!

//

A Muslim extremist was arrested in Europe?

85 Gus  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:30:58am

re: #84 NJDhockeyfan

A Muslim extremist was arrested in Europe?

I don't know,,, I'm busy,,,

86 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:31:34am

re: #78 Gus

*Instead of complaining about Marc Tracy's OMG imperfect opinion of Brooks Barney's BS why not come up with your own opinion. (Cough)

My opinion of Brooks Barney's BS: It's BS. Why elaborate on the substance and consistency of shit? That's what "South Park" is for.

87 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:32:03am

re: #84 NJDhockeyfan

A Muslim extremist was arrested in Europe?

LOL ... pavlovian.

88 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:32:44am

re: #87 goddamnedfrank

More Skinnerean.

89 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:32:47am

Hey, lookit!
Muslims!

90 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:32:50am
91 Gus  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:33:31am

re: #86 Learned Mother of Zion

My opinion of Brooks Barney's BS: It's BS. Why elaborate on the substance and consistency of shit? That's what "South Park" is for.

OK. That also works. :)

92 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:33:46am

re: #89 Varek Raith

Hey, lookit!
Muslims!

WAR.

93 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:34:08am

re: #86 Learned Mother of Zion

My opinion of Brooks Barney's BS: It's BS. Why elaborate on the substance and consistency of shit? That's what "South Park" is for.

My bad: Brooks Bayne is the asshole. Brooks Barnes is a respected film critic.

94 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:34:30am

re: #85 Gus

I don't know,,, I'm busy,,,

Hmmmm..Muslim extremest or neo-Nazi?

Brescia Police Chief Lucio Carluccio said anti-terrorism investigators identified the suspect from Internet traffic, including a Facebook page on how to assemble explosives and references in other contexts to holy war, or jihad, a term often used by Islamic extremists against the West.

The suspect had been under investigation for several months, but police moved to arrest him after noting that he was using a Google maps application to zoom in on areas around the synagogue in a way that suggested he was casing the security, not browsing casually, Carluccio said.

"There were a series of clicks to zoom on a police car, and to zoom on the anti-sabotage columns" placed outside the synagogue, Carluccio said.
Authorities confiscated two flags emblazoned with Nazi swastikas at the suspect's residence, along with computers, USB drives, detailed descriptions of how to build a car bomb and the quantities of chemicals needed to make an explosive, he said.

95 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:35:09am

re: #90 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

Just up in pages:

Turn Up Your Speakers and Take a Wild Ride on a Shuttle Solid Rocket Booster

Take that, flat Earthers!

Also turn up your bass.
That'll wake up the neighborhood.
:)

96 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:35:38am

re: #93 Learned Mother of Zion

My bad: Brooks Bayne is the asshole. Brooks Barnes is a respected film critic.

Yeah, but who's Brooks Barney? //

97 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:36:27am

re: #96 Freeze Peach

Yeah, but who's Brooks Barney? //

typo//

98 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:36:43am

re: #29 Simply Sarah

It's one of those many things we 'learn' in school/the media that no one seems to care isn't actually true or complete. Sort of how in elementary school we learned about all the great European explorers and colonists and stuff, but generally neglected the "And then they killed, raped, and/or enslaved all the native people and took their land" parts.

We here in the Americas don't like to think that we became what we are through a long and successful effort at ethnic cleansing.

It's not surprising. People like credit, not blame.

99 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:37:41am

re: #97 Learned Mother of Zion

typo//

Damn. I thought he was some pinko.

100 Gus  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:39:31am

re: #94 NJDhockeyfan

Hmmm..Muslim extremest or neo-Nazi?

Carry on then.

//

101 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:39:38am

re: #30 ggt

I think the comparison to the Flat Earthers of yesteryear is quite appropriate. Targeting the current crop of Flat Earth Whacko's might make people look around at with whom they are associating.

Some, will never even try. The Obama hatred is so deep. I don't get it.

It not hate. It's fear.

A black man holding the most powerful office in the world demonstrates to these people that their power is waning. They are no longer rewarded for just showing up.

Of course they'll deny this fact, and the man most representative of this fact, with fury.

102 Simply Sarah  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:41:36am

re: #101 Romantic Heretic

It not hate. It's fear.

A black man holding the most powerful office in the world demonstrates to these people that their power is waning. They are no longer rewarded for just showing up.

Of course they'll deny this fact, and the man most representative of this fact, with fury.

Ah, but fear leads to anger and anger leads to hate!

103 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:42:18am

Gotta run. Later squamate reptiles!

104 Gus  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:42:43am

Bruce speaking at SXSW

[Link: www.npr.org...]

105 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:42:46am

There are going to be three kinds of conservative pushback on this speech:

first, as has been mentioned, the whole Columbus conundrum will be pushed to the forefront: "He calls us ignorant but he doesn't even know the facts himself!" That will serve as a major red herring and point to ease listeners into points two and three...

second, "he's talking down to us everday, non-college-edjucated folks!", which will get a bit of traction among, well, the less well-educated, the ones who do not understand that there are costs related to consumption of fossil fuels that are just not reflected in the "Free Market" price of energy.

and thirdly "He wants government to take contol of the Free Market!". As if the modern energy industry and energy market could function at all without government involvement in securing and protecting access to resources, in planning and regulating the transportation industry, etc.

106 Kragar  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:48:38am

Wow, Charles is so irrelevant now that last night's O'Brien thread is the lead article at ThinkProgress.

Right-Wing Pundits Smear Soledad O’Brien As ‘Anti-Semitic’ And Racist

While Pollak in his eagerness to hype his “bombshell” video mischaracterized CRT as a radical theory that calls for a war against white people, animosity on the far right has been pointed at Soledad O’Brien for correcting his inaccurate statements. Chris Loesch, husband of CNN contributor Dana Loesch, tweeted (HT: Little Green Footballs):

107 Gus  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:49:11am

Freehold NJ!

108 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:50:31am

re: #102 Simply Sarah

Ah, but fear leads to anger and anger leads to hate!

And hatred leads to suffering.

I love that little green Cuisinart. ;)

109 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:52:59am

re: #105 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

There are going to be three kinds of conservative pushback on this speech:

first, as has been mentioned, the whole Columbus conundrum will be pushed to the forefront: "He calls us ignorant but he doesn't even know the facts himself!" That will serve as a major red herring and point to ease listeners into points two and three...

second, "he's talking down to us everday, non-college-edjucated folks!", which will get a bit of traction among, well, the less well-educated, the ones who do not understand that there are costs related to consumption of fossil fuels that are just not reflected in the "Free Market" price of energy.

and thirdly "He wants government to take contol of the Free Market!". As if the modern energy industry and energy market could function at all without government involvement in securing and protecting access to resources, in planning and regulating the transportation industry, etc.

I'm not sure about numbers 2 and 3. I think that, after the Columbus bit, the Right will go back to form by screaming "There's Obama, wanting more of your tax dollars for companies like Solyndra, when gas prices are higher now! We don't need green energy tomorrow, we need oil today!"

110 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:56:40am

re: #109 Targetpractice

I'm not sure about numbers 2 and 3. I think that, after the Columbus bit, the Right will go back to form by screaming "There's Obama, wanting more of your tax dollars for companies like Solyndra, when gas prices are higher now! We don't need green energy tomorrow, we need oil today!"

Well, that is at least partially covered by point 3, that Obama is trying to corrupt and distort the Free Market in favor of algae, windmills and solar panels, none of which are going to make it any cheaper for you to drive your SUV 90 miles from your suburban home to your job(s).

111 Interesting Times  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 11:11:12am
112 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Mar 15, 2012 11:53:46am

re: #71 Freeze Peach

He'll love to singa.

Upding for the doubly obscure reference. And that fact that I put the appropriate clip in a comment last week.
;)


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