Video: Ridley Scott’s Prometheus
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:06:54pm |
must.... keep... expectations... realistic...gahjhahhaowjdefjh!
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jaunte Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:12:03pm |
Ridley Scott Q&A and Prometheus Trailer Premiere (livestream)
Prometheus director Ridley Scott and executive producer and co writer Damon Lindelof.
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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:13:51pm |
So Scott's not just going back to the genre, he's going back to the universe he created and playing around in it again.
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engineer cat Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:14:16pm |
the sequel Innana and Dummuzi will be even better
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:16:28pm |
re: #5 Targetpractice
So Scott's not just going back to the genre, he's going back to the universe he created and playing around in it again.
If he does it right it's a winner formula.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:19:40pm |
re: #5 Targetpractice
So Scott's not just going back to the genre, he's going back to the universe he created and playing around in it again.
It would appear so. It looks like the alien antagonists in this one might be related to the corpse in the other film from over thirty years ago.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:22:17pm |
I made a clean sweep of the bottom comments. Nice!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:22:54pm |
re: #10 Killgore Trout
I made a clean sweep of the bottom comments. Nice!
Are bottom comments Kosher?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:23:26pm |
The "Alien" director's cut / special edition DVD is overflowing with extras, including really cool behind-the-scenes stuff. If you go for that kind of thing, I can't recommend it highly enough. There's a huge amount of artistry that went into the making of that film. It still holds up over 30 years later, even against mega-budget CGI-laden blockbusters.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:25:47pm |
re: #12 ggt
Are bottom comments Kosher?
And halal, I was acquitted in Sharia court earlier today. No fines or nothing. Sweet deal.
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Interesting Times Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:26:23pm |
re: #13 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII
It still holds up over 30 years later, even against mega-budget CGI-laden blockbusters.
To me, the latter tend to suffer from an overkill effect. Plus, it's very jarring how (in what I assume is the mad rush to meet production deadlines) they skimp on the classic aspects of what makes animation believable: a sense of weight and that things are judged not so much on how they look, but how they move (think humongous, half-ton monster-beasts flitting about with the speed and agility of hummingbirds)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:28:16pm |
re: #14 Killgore Trout
And halal, I was acquitted in Sharia court earlier today. No fines or nothing. Sweet deal.
Are they GMO free?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:28:52pm |
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Obdicut Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:29:33pm |
re: #10 Killgore Trout
Amazing how easy it is to get negative attention. Act like a douchebag, claim to be better than everyone else, and voila.
Serve with a side of weaksauce and eat with a spoon, keeping brittle smile fixed on face.
However, consumption causes cravings; soon larger and larger portions are required to satiate the appetite, and symptoms include shrillness, fatuousness, and inability to discern beams in one's eye.
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abolitionist Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:29:48pm |
re: #14 Killgore Trout
And halal, I was acquitted in Sharia court earlier today. No fines or nothing. Sweet deal.
This Did you miss the part where CL said you don't want to go there?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:30:10pm |
re: #18 Obdicut
Amazing how easy it is to get negative attention. Act like a douchebag, claim to be better than everyone else, and voila.
Serve with a side of weaksauce and eat with a spoon, keeping brittle smile fixed on face.
However, consumption causes cravings; soon larger and larger portions are required to satiate the appetite, and symptoms include shrillness, fatuousness, and inability to discern beams in one's eye.
Yeah, it's pretty fantastic.
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:35:52pm |
I too think I'm all that and a bag of chips over the intertoobz.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:36:04pm |
Ok, Prometheus created man, then was punished for it.
Then women was created (Pandora) and further punished man (in a sense).
Ancients didn't have a very positive view of things did they?
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:37:44pm |
re: #23 ggt
Ok, Prometheus created man, then was punished for it.
Then women was created (Pandora) and further punished man (in a sense).
Ancients didn't have a very positive view of things did they?
Sometimes being all powerful is boring.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:39:36pm |
I'm far more looking forward to this:
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Gus Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:40:10pm |
re: #22 Varek Raith
I too think I'm all that and a bag of chips over the intertoobz.
It's a stronger man he who is willing to admit to his own faults.
That, and Hot Pockets.
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Obdicut Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:40:27pm |
For those who have Netflix, and like extremely dark humor, check out Snuff Box.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:40:34pm |
re: #24 Varek Raith
Sometimes being all powerful is boring.
I would think the same about being undead.
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:41:09pm |
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Interesting Times Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:41:56pm |
re: #27 Obdicut
For those who have Netflix, and like extremely dark humor, check out Snuff Box.
Er...are they using the "other" meaning of that word? o_O
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:42:35pm |
re: #30 Interesting Times
Er...are they using the "other" meaning of that word? o_O
maybe Varek would know . . .
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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:43:20pm |
re: #23 ggt
Ok, Prometheus created man, then was punished for it.
Then women was created (Pandora) and further punished man (in a sense).
Ancients didn't have a very positive view of things did they?
One of the things that the ancients had few problems with was tackling the cruel realities of the world in an un-PC fashion. They knew their gods were all screwed up assholes and accepted it. No "plans," no "will," just all powerful cosmic beings who were every bit as human as the little ants they played with.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:43:27pm |
re: #23 ggt
Ok, Prometheus created man, then was punished for it.
No.... Prometheus gave Man technology which previously belonged only to the gods. He was, of course, punished for that.
Can't have a proper god story without lots of punishing, after all.
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Kragar Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:43:49pm |
re: #23 ggt
Ok, Prometheus created man, then was punished for it.
Then women was created (Pandora) and further punished man (in a sense).
Ancients didn't have a very positive view of things did they?
Prometheus didn't create man. Prometheus gave man the secret of fire.
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celticdragon Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:44:20pm |
Ridley Scott also green lighted a sequel to Blade Runner... :D
...which also happens to be my pick for the best hard science fiction film of all time.
Side note: I have been listening (a lot) to "Set Fire To The Rain" by Adele and I was thinking how awesome it would be as a theme song for Katniss from "The Hunger Games".
Apparently, an awful lot of other people thought so as well...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:45:01pm |
re: #33 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII
No... Prometheus gave Man technology which previously belonged only to the gods. He was, of course, punished for that.
Can't have a proper god story without lots of punishing, after all.
He created man, then stole fire from Zeus and was punished for it by Zeus.
Not much for forethought --well . . .
I mean, you'd think the gods would know the future and all.
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Gus Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:45:09pm |
The spirits of the undead walk past your bed each night you lie there sleeping.
No one can hear you scream.
//
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:45:39pm |
re: #34 Kragar
Prometheus didn't create man. Prometheus gave man the secret of fire.
I thought he was given the task of making man out of clay.
someone else made woman, and gave her a box. or something like that.
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Obdicut Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:45:45pm |
re: #30 Interesting Times
Er...are they using the "other" meaning of that word? o_O
It's about a couple of executioner's assistants who are assholes. Well, one is an asshole, the other is stupid. And it's kinda surreal. They time travel every once in awhile.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:48:14pm |
Not too much longer and I am going to have to travel to the land behind my eyelids.
So exciting to be old on a Saturday.
I get to go to bed EARLY!!!
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Interesting Times Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:49:16pm |
re: #39 Obdicut
Well, one is an asshole, the other is stupid.
Think about how many real-life situations, large and small, can be summed up by that statement. And try not to blame me for the inevitable sense of doom and despair that follows :/
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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:49:43pm |
re: #38 ggt
I thought he was given the task of making man out of clay.
someone else made woman, and gave her a box. or something like that.
Zeus created Pandora from clay, she was animated by the four winds, and all the goddesses of Olympus helped adorn her. She was considered a punishment upon mankind for Prometheus' giving man the secret of fire. So yeah, even to the ancient Greeks, women were seen as the source of all the evils of the world.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:50:50pm |
re: #41 Gus
Nam Myoho Renge Kyo.Nam Myoho Renge Kyo.Nam Myoho Renge Kyo.
The phrase NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO is taken from the title of the greatest teaching of the first historically recorded Buddha, known as Siddhartha Gautama or Shakyamuni Buddha, who lived in India around 500 years before Christ was born. This teaching, called the Lotus Sutra, declares that all living beings, regardless of gender or intelligence (that means everyone - including you and me!), have the potential to attain Buddhahood. In the Lotus Sutra, Shakyamuni Buddha teaches that inside each one of us a universal truth known as the Buddha nature. Basing our lives on this Buddha nature enables us to enjoy absolute happiness and to act with boundless compassion. Such a state of happiness is called enlightenment. It's simply waking up to the true nature of life, realising that all things are connected, and that there is such a close relationship between each of us and our surroundings that when we change ourselves, we change the world.
In the 13th Century, a Japanese priest called Nichiren (1222-1282) realised that the message of the Lotus Sutra was summed up by its title, NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO, which can be translated as the teaching of the lotus flower of the wonderful law. Nichiren declared that all of the benefits of the wisdom contained in the Lotus Sutra can be realized by chanting this title NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO. Since the time of Nichiren many, many millions of people have followed his advice, chanting NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO regularly as a means of improving their health, happiness, wisdom and compassion. The goal of chanting NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO is to manifest the enlightenment of the Buddha in our own lives. We can then realise our own creative potential as individuals and, in so doing, create thriving and peaceful families, work places and communities. Eventually this gradual transformation of individuals will create peace and prosperity in societies throughout the world.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:52:42pm |
re: #41 Gus
Nam Myoho Renge Kyo.Nam Myoho Renge Kyo.Nam Myoho Renge Kyo.
How has that been working for you?
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Four More Tears Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:53:04pm |
About 35 minutes into True Grit. Starting to think the title refers more to the girl than Cogburn...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:53:36pm |
re: #43 Targetpractice
Zeus created Pandora from clay, she was animated by the four winds, and all the goddesses of Olympus helped adorn her. She was considered a punishment upon mankind for Prometheus' giving man the secret of fire. So yeah, even to the ancient Greeks, women were seen as the source of all the evils of the world.
And throughout history man has been punishing woman instead of being pissed at Zeus for creating her.
I really don't see the logic.
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Gus Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:54:07pm |
re: #45 ggt
How has that been working for you?
Never really did anything like this. I've known the phrase since I was probably ten. I'd use it often but not for its original intent. I tried yoga when I was a kid and did my own form of meditation in my younger days.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:54:18pm |
re: #46 Meh.
About 35 minutes into True Grit. Starting to think the title refers more to the girl than Cogburn...
duh
:)
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:55:08pm |
re: #47 ggt
And throughout history man has been punishing woman instead of being pissed at Zeus for creating her.
I really don't see the logic.
I blame Obama.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:55:09pm |
re: #48 Gus
Never really did anything like this. I've known the phrase since I was probably ten. I'd use it often but not for its original intent. I tried yoga when I was a kid and did my own form of meditation in my younger days.
Well, you should get bonus points for remembering how to spell it.
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Kragar Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:55:13pm |
Still waiting on a release date for JDATE
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:55:33pm |
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Four More Tears Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:55:40pm |
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Gus Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:56:04pm |
re: #52 ggt
Well, you should get bonus points for remembering how to spell it.
Had to Google first. ;)
[Sitar slide.]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:56:46pm |
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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:58:40pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:59:31pm |
The thing about True Grit and Real Life is that IMHO, most men live up to the "image" their wife has for them.
If she has determined he is a good guy, he will live up to the expectation.
If she has accepted that he is just a man and will disappoint her, he will.
Of course, it helps if he has a strong mother who raised him to be a good guy.
It's a bravado thing. I don't get it.
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Gus Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:59:47pm |
re: #61 Targetpractice
Stop. Hammer Time.
/
Didn't Frank Zappa wear a sweater vest a couple of times?
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 17, 2012 8:00:23pm |
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Gus Sat, Mar 17, 2012 8:00:34pm |
re: #63 Gus
Didn't Frank Zappa wear a sweater vest a couple of times?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 17, 2012 8:01:20pm |
So, when the ancients determined that the wives of the gods were all jealous harpies only concerned with their reputation, it explains alot of why the gods were mostly assholes.
IMHO, anyway.
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jaunte Sat, Mar 17, 2012 8:02:24pm |
St. Patrick's Day night in Zuccotti Park:
[Link: www.ustream.tv...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 17, 2012 8:03:03pm |
re: #66 ggt
So, when the ancients determined that the wives of the gods were all jealous harpies only concerned with their reputation, it explains alot of why the gods were mostly assholes.
IMHO, anyway.
Well, it was their excuse anyway.
In the case of True Grit, the movie. The John Wayne character wouldn't be seen to be an ass in the eyes of the girl. So she got what she wanted--a good guy.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 17, 2012 8:04:11pm |
I'm off to the land behind my eyelids.
Have a great evening all!
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 17, 2012 8:08:49pm |
re: #70 ggt
I'm off to the land behind my eyelids.
Have a great evening all!
DON'T FALL ASLEEP!!!
IT'S HOW HE GETS YOU!!!
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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 17, 2012 8:10:44pm |
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engineer cat Sat, Mar 17, 2012 8:10:48pm |
and here is a lesson on how to turn a liability into an asset by LYING OUT OF YOUR ASS
Cool, the St. Louis Tea Party reminds the thugs of OWS that rape isn't acceptable in Missouri like it is in Zucotti
[Link: www.thegatewaypundit.co......]
shove it up your ass, trool
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sat, Mar 17, 2012 8:15:34pm |
re: #68 ggt
Well, it was their excuse anyway.
In the case of True Grit, the movie. The John Wayne character wouldn't be seen to be an ass in the eyes of the girl. So she got what she wanted--a good guy.
The Mad satire of the John Wayne version was called "True Fat".
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Gus Sat, Mar 17, 2012 8:16:43pm |
re: #74 engineer cat
and here is a lesson on how to turn a liability into an asset by LYING OUT OF YOUR ASS
Cool, the St. Louis Tea Party reminds the thugs of OWS that rape isn't acceptable in Missouri like it is in Zucotti
[Link: www.thegatewaypundit.co...]
#BreitbartIsWatching
shove it up your ass, trool
There's anonymous. And then there's Breitbart.com. One is known for DDOS attacks and low level hacking. The other is the largest trolling organization in the world.
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 17, 2012 8:21:49pm |
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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 17, 2012 8:23:03pm |
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 17, 2012 8:23:48pm |
re: #80 Targetpractice
Tried out the feature episodes?
Just the 2800. I'm kind of stuck in crafting mode.
Heh.
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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 17, 2012 8:24:58pm |
re: #82 Varek Raith
Just the 2800. I'm kind of stuck in crafting mode.
Heh.
Ah, you did play through the 2800 storyline?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 17, 2012 8:25:23pm |
re: #46 Meh.
About 35 minutes into True Grit. Starting to think the title refers more to the girl than Cogburn...
In many ways that's true. But it does refer to both of them, at least in part.
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 17, 2012 8:26:47pm |
re: #83 Targetpractice
Ah, you did play through the 2800 storyline?
Yep.
Captain Kurland needs to be in a brig. Or tossed into a star.
Or something.
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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 17, 2012 8:28:34pm |
re: #85 Varek Raith
Yep.
Captain Kurland needs to be in a brig. Or tossed into a star.
Or something.
What, you didn't enjoy the spacewalk?
/
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 17, 2012 8:30:34pm |
re: #86 Targetpractice
What, you didn't enjoy the spacewalk?
/
That was neat.
Also, need more shuttle missions.
Zoom zoom!
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abolitionist Sat, Mar 17, 2012 8:30:35pm |
I'm assuming this clip is from the same movie, Prometheus:
Clip - TED 2023: I Will Change the world ( hulu.com )
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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 17, 2012 8:33:26pm |
re: #88 abolitionist
I'm assuming this clip is from the same movie, Promethius:
Clip - TED 2023: I Will Change the world ( hulu.com )
Yeah, that's Peter Weyland, founder of the Weyland Corp.
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 17, 2012 8:38:01pm |
re: #88 abolitionist
I'm assuming this clip is from the same movie, Promethius:
Clip - TED 2023: I Will Change the world ( hulu.com )
Awesome.
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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 17, 2012 8:38:59pm |
re: #87 Varek Raith
That was neat.
Also, need more shuttle missions.
Zoom zoom!
Eh, I'm not really sold on shuttle missions. Leaves me feeling too vulnerable.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 17, 2012 9:42:49pm |
re: #34 Kragar
Prometheus didn't create man. Prometheus gave man the secret of fire.
Prometheus created man (in concert with Athena, in some versions). He got in trouble, though, for giving them fire.
(Hence the plot of Terry Pratchett's "The Last Hero".
"The last hero will return what the first hero stole. He will return fire to the gods. With interest.")
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 17, 2012 9:44:26pm |
re: #43 Targetpractice
Zeus created Pandora from clay, she was animated by the four winds, and all the goddesses of Olympus helped adorn her. She was considered a punishment upon mankind for Prometheus' giving man the secret of fire. So yeah, even to the ancient Greeks, women were seen as the source of all the evils of the world.
EVEN? Ancient Greeks and women is a whole long story.
Even ancient Greeks made fun of it--there's a whole play by Aristophanes where Euripides is afraid the women of Athens are planning to kill him for making women look bad in his plays. (They are.) He needs someone to go undercover at the Thesmophoria and find out what they're planning.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 17, 2012 9:45:05pm |
re: #47 ggt
And throughout history man has been punishing woman instead of being pissed at Zeus for creating her.
I really don't see the logic.
Your wife you can push around. Zeus will fry your ass if you try.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 17, 2012 9:46:06pm |
re: #66 ggt
So, when the ancients determined that the wives of the gods were all jealous harpies only concerned with their reputation, it explains alot of why the gods were mostly assholes.
IMHO, anyway.
To do Hera justice, her husband does sleep around, like, spectacularly.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Mar 17, 2012 9:52:05pm |
re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist
To do Hera justice, her husband does sleep around, like, spectacularly.
He's also her brother, which ups the marital dysfunction quotient significantly.
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Lidane Sat, Mar 17, 2012 9:53:37pm |
re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist
To do Hera justice, her husband does sleep around, like, spectacularly.
That's putting it mildly:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 17, 2012 9:54:11pm |
Thanksgiving on Mount Olympus must be awkward as hell.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Mar 17, 2012 10:00:19pm |
re: #103 Varek Raith
Thanksgiving on Mount Olympus must be awkward as hell.
I had no idea how bad it was:
Hera's marriage was founded in strife with Zeus and continued in strife. Zeus courted her unsuccesfully. He then turned to trickery, changing himself into disheveled cuckoo. Hera feeling sorry for the bird held it to her breast to warm it. Zues then resumed his normal form and taking advantage of the suprise he gained, raped her. She then married him to cover her shame.
Holy shit WTF?!?
Once when Zeus was being partcularly overbearing to the other gods, Hera convinced them to join in a revolt. Her part in the revolt was to drug Zeus, and in this she was successful. The gods then bound the sleeping Zeus to a couch taking care to tie many knots. This done they began to quarrel over the next step. Briareus overheard the arguements. Still full of gratitude to Zeus, Briareus slipped in and was able to quickly untie the many knots. Zeus sprang from the couch and grapped up his thuderbolt. The gods fell to their knees begging and pleading for mercy. He seized Hera and hung her from the sky with gold chains. She wept in pain all night but, none of the others dared to interfere. Her weeping kept Zeus up and the next morning he agreed to release her if she would swear never to rebel again. She had little choice but, to agree. While she never again rebeled, she often intrigued against Zeus's plans and she was often able to outwit him.
Zeus is some kind of epic level asshole, just wow.
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Lidane Sat, Mar 17, 2012 10:00:53pm |
re: #103 Varek Raith
Thanksgiving on Mount Olympus must be awkward as hell.
Imagine trying to navigate Father's Day.
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simoom Sat, Mar 17, 2012 10:15:21pm |
re: #81 Kronocide
Who run Breitbart town? I run Breitbart town.
I saw that Dana Loesch is promoting photos of Breitbart posters popping up around St. Louis. I particularly liked that she posted this one unironically, where he's joined by what apparently is his most important quote, adorning a port-a-potty:
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Mar 17, 2012 11:01:37pm |
Oh wake up! So the beginning of the Formula One Race in Australia is ready to start..I love F1. You know why I hate Australians? They live on the wrong side of the Earth..If you want to watch any Golf, Racing, tennis or any sport down under you have to get up early and Man up. My mom did that for years..She'd get up at like 3am to watch some golf match live...
This is why I hate Australians..If they had any consideration for the rest of us they would move to Florida or something..
This is a very exciting new year for F1.. here they go...it's 5pm in Melbourne
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 17, 2012 11:05:50pm |
re: #109 HoosierHoops
This is why I hate Australians..If they had any consideration for the rest of us they would move to Florida or something..
Well, this could happen.
[Link: www.satirewire.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 17, 2012 11:08:49pm |
re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, this could happen.
[Link: www.satirewire.com...]
Meanwhile, victims of what's already been dubbed the "Australian Crawl" are still shaking off the event.
"Australia bumped into us at about midnight local time," said Hawaii governor Ben Cayetano. "They were very friendly — they always seem friendly — but they refused to go around unless we answered their questions. But the questions were impossible. 'Who is Ian Thorpe? Do you have any Tim Tams? What day is Australia Day?'"
"Fortunately, somebody here had an Unimportant World Dates calendar and we aced the last one," Cayetano added.
Panama, however, was not so lucky.
"Australia came through here screaming curses at us to let them through," said Ernesto Carnal, who guards the locks at the entrance to the Panama Canal. "We said they would not fit, so they demanded to speak with a manager. When I go to find Mr. Caballos, they sneak the whole continent through."
When Caballos shouted to the fleeing country that it had not paid, Australia "accidentally" backed up and took out every nation in the region, as well as the northern third of Venezuela. They then made up a cheery song about it.
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Mar 17, 2012 11:22:35pm |
re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, this could happen.
[Link: www.satirewire.com...]
That is a great link! It's nice seeing you.. I hope you had a Happy St. Paddy's day.. Winston and I watched March Madness all day and racing tonight.. I think he's over it..I'm jacked up having fun while the new GF is away for the weekend. There is this new thing in relationships.. Texting..
She constantly is texting me and now I'm in the freaking texting circle!
Damn! It forces communication on a 24/7 level.. Which is OK..I guess.. Texting cuts into my blogging time! :)
I really like her SFZ..We are going away next weekend
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 17, 2012 11:26:04pm |
re: #112 HoosierHoops
That is a great link! It's nice seeing you.. I hope you had a Happy St. Paddy's day.. Winston and I watched March Madness all day and racing tonight.. I think he's over it..I'm jacked up having fun while the new GF is away for the weekend. There is this new thing in relationships.. Texting..
She constantly is texting me and now I'm in the freaking texting circle!
Damn! It forces communication on a 24/7 level.. Which is OK..I guess.. Texting cuts into my blogging time! :)
I really like her SFZ..We are going away next weekend
:)
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Lidane Sat, Mar 17, 2012 11:33:47pm |
re: #109 HoosierHoops
Give it a few months. The Formula 1 track here in Austin is supposed to be up and running by the end of the year. Haha.
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Mar 17, 2012 11:36:18pm |
re: #114 Lidane
Give it a few months. The Formula 1 track here in Austin is supposed to be up and running by the end of the year. Haha.
I know! I've been to 3 F1 races..I'm a huge fan.. Can't wait to drive down there..
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Usually refered to as anyways Sat, Mar 17, 2012 11:46:51pm |
re: #109 HoosierHoops
Oh wake up! So the beginning of the Formula One Race in Australia is ready to start..I love F1. You know why I hate Australians? They live on the wrong side of the Earth..If you want to watch any Golf, Racing, tennis or any sport down under you have to get up early and Man up. My mom did that for years..She'd get up at like 3am to watch some golf match live...
This is why I hate Australians..If they had any consideration for the rest of us they would move to Florida or something..
This is a very exciting new year for F1.. here they go...it's 5pm in Melbourne
Eh... Settle pettle...
Looking forward to invading the USA, less than 4 weeks now.
Bet you won't be so happy then.
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Mar 17, 2012 11:53:00pm |
re: #116 ozbloke
Eh... Settle pettle...
Looking forward to invading the USA, less than 4 weeks now.
Bet you won't be so happy then.
I'll bet you are getting excited! I can't remember what city you are visiting..
Good luck!
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Usually refered to as anyways Sun, Mar 18, 2012 12:03:43am |
re: #117 HoosierHoops
I'll bet you are getting excited! I can't remember what city you are visiting..
Good luck![Embedded content]
I am busting to get there...
Landing in LA, heading to Vegas to do the Elvis wedding thing.
Mostly be travelling the West Coast.
I'm sorry I won't make it to New York, just not enough time, we got kids still in high school.
Final year for one, so they have mid year exams...
I want to eat every American delicacy, that I have heard of.
Particularly if its bad for me.
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BenghaziHoops Sun, Mar 18, 2012 12:22:47am |
re: #118 ozbloke
I am busting to get there...
Landing in LA, heading to Vegas to do the Elvis wedding thing.
Mostly be travelling the West Coast.I'm sorry I won't make it to New York, just not enough time, we got kids still in high school.
Final year for one, so they have mid year exams...I want to eat every American delicacy, that I have heard of.
Particularly if its bad for me.
I'm going to Vegas for a few days during Easter.. A couple of Buddies of mine made me promise almost a year ago. it will to be fun and hopefully nobody comes home married..Rent a car and drive to Napa Valley for a few days.. You will remember it forever
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freetoken Sun, Mar 18, 2012 12:43:59am |
Sure sign that the fantasy/space movie/tv-show you're watching was written by a lazy writer: overuse of the word "sector".
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Usually refered to as anyways Sun, Mar 18, 2012 12:56:30am |
re: #119 HoosierHoops
I'm going to Vegas for a few days during Easter.. A couple of Buddies of mine made me promise almost a year ago. it will to be fun and hopefully nobody comes home married..Rent a car and drive to Napa Valley for a few days.. You will remember it forever
We are going to, we want to do some wineries, and also get up to Lake Tahoe.
Really looking forward to it, got a hire car, so we are trying not to plan an itinerary.
But we will be in San Francisco, from about the 26th April to the 2nd May, having a family get together there.
Sorry for the slow responses, cooking diner.
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BenghaziHoops Sun, Mar 18, 2012 1:13:18am |
Great Australian F1 race! Lot's of great driving..
So it's late...I've been up all day watching College Hoops and have a big day ahead of me.. So check this out The trophy you win is a steering wheel in a dish..That's right..You win an International Formula One race and you get a freaking Steering wheel as a trophy...
For all time when somebody looks at all your esteemed trophies..
Dude..What is that? What is up with the Steering wheel?
It's a trophy
No..It's a effening Steering wheel in a dish dude..
It's not a steering wheel damn it! Well it is but It's my prize..My Trophy..
Dude..It's a steering wheel.. I got one of them also..
Is it in a dish? That's dish right?
A steering wheel in a fancy dish?
Shut up
Dude..It's Ok..When I was in 5th grade I got a crappy trophy also..
I won a Formula One Race
Whatever..Anyway.. We got a soccer trophy and they were so cheap all I got was a stand with a little foot on top of it.. Just a little foot..no effeng ball..just this tiny little foot as a trophy..I was devastated as a child..
I won the Formula One!
Dude..It's OK..I get it..Nice Steering Wheel..Love the Dishy thing
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BenghaziHoops Sun, Mar 18, 2012 1:18:25am |
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BenghaziHoops Sun, Mar 18, 2012 1:33:33am |
re: #126 researchok
How's by you? How's the new lady?
Great..She is out of town till Monday..I really like her.. But she texts me alot now that we are a 'couple' :)
Like I'm watching hoops today it was great.. 1 minute left
Whatcha doing?
Oh Shit..Watching Ball..( she knows this)
Who is winning?
one minute left
who do you like?
Dear Lwrd..I'm going to miss the ending
Please call a time out...
What? it's ending
Who do u like?
me?
Yes U
Time-out!
reprieve..
me? Hate em both..
ooohh
LOL She is awesome
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researchok Sun, Mar 18, 2012 1:38:43am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 1:44:40am |
re: #10 Killgore Trout
I made a clean sweep of the bottom comments. Nice!
Heh, I just arrived, saw this and wanted to comment on that.
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Kragar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 1:59:36am |
MST3K - 424 - "Manos" the Hands of Fate
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Kragar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 2:47:34am |
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freetoken Sun, Mar 18, 2012 3:34:53am |
re: #132 Kragar
According to IMDB:
The scenes featuring two teenagers who are hassled by the cops while necking in their car were added because actress Joyce Molleur broke her leg during filming, and was unable to perform her original role.
[...]
The snake Michael shoots looks a lot better than the rest of the film because it was stock footage lifted from a Disney nature documentary. It's also why the snake is on purple carpet.[...]
Oh boy. And:
Quentin Tarantino owns one of the only 35mm copies of the film left in existence. He claims this is his favorite "comedy" of all time.
[...]
The work print, made from the original 16mm reversal stock, was found in 2011 by Benjamin Solovey. The print was in pristine condition, surpassing every other known version. Solovey is restoring the material for a potential Blu-ray release in the near future.
The world has much to look forward to, I see.
BTW, the IMDB database entry number for this film? Why, it's tt0060666 .
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Kragar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 4:24:00am |
James O’Keefe Might Possibly Have a Problem With Women
In very brief sum, Naffe (who had previously sued the RNC for a racially charged hostile work environment, because duh) was working with O’Keefe to attempt to wiretap Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters; she went to New Jersey to meet with him; and after drinking some beer found she couldn’t really use her legs? She wanted to go home, O’Keefe wouldn’t take her to the train station (and at this point she couldn’t walk), and when she finally threatened to call the police, he came with some total creepazoid who stood silently in the shadows, until eventually she awoke in Penn Station.
Later, gentlemanly O’Keefe started harassing her through friends and intermediaries, which provided the basis for her charges.
Conservative legal blogger “Patterico” explains that a judge not finding probable cause for harassment charges is prima facie evidence that there was no harassment. The judge in question, however, specifically says the opposite; that he is merely unable to determine that O’Keefe was under his jurisdiction in Westwood, New Jersey, at the time the alleged harassment occurred (despite the fact that he was ordered to remain there by another court). He suggests instead she retain an excellent lawyer for a civil suit.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:13:40am |
Weird. ALl of my military friends I've talked to have said if they had their druthers, they'd turn over the dude that went spare in Afghanistan and killed women and children to the Afghans. I'd have figured they'd be more protective of him, but all of them just say "More of us are going to die because of what he did, fuck him."
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Kragar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:20:04am |
re: #135 Obdicut
Weird. ALl of my military friends I've talked to have said if they had their druthers, they'd turn over the dude that went spare in Afghanistan and killed women and children to the Afghans. I'd have figured they'd be more protective of him, but all of them just say "More of us are going to die because of what he did, fuck him."
I'd say hand him over as well, except for the corrupt nature of the government.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:27:32am |
re: #136 Kragar
I'd say hand him over as well, except for the corrupt nature of the government.
They fully acknowledge the corrupt nature of it, they just don't give a shit. Most of them are on their 3rd, 4th, 5th deployment. They're pretty thousand-yard-stare at this point.
One of them who had a TBI himself is pissed off that the guy had a TBI because he thinks now everyone will be scurred that he's going to flip out and murder people because he had a TBI.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:29:39am |
And wow, someone tried to kill Panetta.
'Attack on Leon Panetta's plane' at Camp Bastion
A British serviceman was also injured in the incident when the local employee at Camp Bastion deliberately drove the stolen vehicle into a group of soldiers undergoing training near the airfield.
The Afghan managed to get through the heavy security cordon surrounding the airfield in the middle of the base and onto the runway where the politician was arriving.
He managed to break through the perimeter surrounded by armed security and large concrete block guards.
The truck, possibly a pick-up, caught fire and crashed into a ditch on the runway close to where Mr Panetta’s jet had just landed or was coming into land.
Initial military reports indicate there were no explosive devices inside the vehicle at Camp Bastion. The car was heading towards a welcoming committee for Mr Panetta when it burst into flames and the alleged perpetrator was arrested.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:32:48am |
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Kragar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:33:12am |
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:34:29am |
re: #141 Kragar
I dunno. What was the first one? This one sounds pretty half-assed though the dude apparently was motivated, but forget to bring anything that blows up.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:35:46am |
re: #138 Obdicut
And wow, someone tried to kill Panetta.
The wingnuts were making a big deal that the soldiers at his speech were unarmed. Some nonsense about how the military hates the Obama regime.
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Kragar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:36:02am |
re: #142 Obdicut
I dunno. What was the first one? This one sounds pretty half-assed though the dude apparently was motivated, but forget to bring anything that blows up.
I think that was the first one after reading it, so just the one attempt then.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:40:20am |
re: #135 Obdicut
Weird. ALl of my military friends I've talked to have said if they had their druthers, they'd turn over the dude that went spare in Afghanistan and killed women and children to the Afghans. I'd have figured they'd be more protective of him, but all of them just say "More of us are going to die because of what he did, fuck him."
That is strange. I would think they'd be more sympathetic to combat stress and metal breakdowns in the field. I don't think he was just being a dick, he snapped.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:48:34am |
re: #146 Killgore Trout
Yeah, that's what I figured too, but they're not. Zero sympathy. I mean, they all say that command failed since obviously the dude had signs of being crazed but the don't excuse him at all.
It's totally anecdotal, these are just four guys. But I think the whole murdering children in their beds part does take away much sympathy that might otherwise be there.
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Kragar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:48:48am |
re: #143 Killgore Trout
The wingnuts were making a big deal that the soldiers at his speech were unarmed. Some nonsense about how the military hates the Obama regime.
Yeah, adherence to long standing security protocols which have been around for decades is proof the military hates Obama. While one team smuggled Obama in from Kenya, another socialist team was writing security rules preparing for just this contingency.
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Kragar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:50:09am |
re: #147 Obdicut
Yeah, that's what I figured too, but they're not. Zero sympathy. I mean, they all say that command failed since obviously the dude had signs of being crazed but the don't excuse him at all.
It's totally anecdotal, these are just four guys. But I think the whole murdering children in their beds part does take away much sympathy that might otherwise be there.
I think they're more sympathetic for the poor bastards who are going to be stuck picking up the pieces in the field.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:52:26am |
re: #149 Kragar
I think they're more sympathetic for the poor bastards who are going to be stuck picking up the pieces in the field.
Exactly. Which includes themselves. I think a lot of it is just general low morale because they don't think there is really a good end possible in Afghanistan, they just want us to exit with the fewest deaths of themselves and their guys.
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Kragar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:54:34am |
re: #150 Obdicut
Exactly. Which includes themselves. I think a lot of it is just general low morale because they don't think there is really a good end possible in Afghanistan, they just want us to exit with the fewest deaths of themselves and their guys.
You would think after 3000 years, people might have figured out that unless you're going to go scorched earth, total war, you don't go to war in Afghanistan.
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Flounder Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:56:21am |
Prometheus reminds me of Alien,right down to the creepy robot. That Alien robot scene, when he goes nuts and spews white stuff all over, still chills me to the bone
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:58:21am |
re: #151 Kragar
I think people also forget that you just shouldn't go to war, period. War is generally the worst way to go about solving shit.
But so many people treat our military like it's an invincible robot soldier with death eye beams that can't be beat, and that the soldiers love being at war. Very few military guys actually like being in war. Very, very, very few infantry dudes do.
History is littered with statements about how stupid war is, how awful it is even when you're doing it for the right reasons, and yet every generation we get rah-rah idiots who think it's some fine surgeon's scalpel that we can use and achieve predictable results.
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JEA62 Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:58:29am |
Looks like a variation of Alien to me, at least from the trailer. I'll withhold judgment until it comes out and I can check the reviews. But I'm not quivering in anticipation.
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Flounder Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:08:08am |
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Kragar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:08:11am |
re: #153 Obdicut
I think people also forget that you just shouldn't go to war, period. War is generally the worst way to go about solving shit.
But so many people treat our military like it's an invincible robot soldier with death eye beams that can't be beat, and that the soldiers love being at war. Very few military guys actually like being in war. Very, very, very few infantry dudes do.
History is littered with statements about how stupid war is, how awful it is even when you're doing it for the right reasons, and yet every generation we get rah-rah idiots who think it's some fine surgeon's scalpel that we can use and achieve predictable results.
I've always been more in line with Sherman's point of view on the matter.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:12:16am |
Once again, I checked the Illinois Board of Elections website. Did the ZIP+4 search and it told me I was in the WRONG district.
If I hadn't emailed the candidates, and gotten a reply, I would never have known my district changed.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:12:51am |
Al Qaeda claims it killed American in Yemen
Gunmen shot dead an American teacher in the Yemeni province of Taiz on Sunday, two defense ministry officials said.
Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula -- the terror network's affiliate in Yemen -- claimed responsibility for the killing.
In a text message sent to Yemeni media outlets, the group said the victim was spreading Christianity to the Yemeni people, calling him one of the biggest missionaries in the country.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:13:17am |
re: #151 Kragar
You would think after 3000 years, people might have figured out that unless you're going to go scorched earth, total war, you don't go to war in Afghanistan.
But, we are different, we are AMERICA!
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:13:33am |
re: #156 Kragar
Which one? This one?
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. War is hell.
or this one?
War is cruelty. There's no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.
That quote gets him a lot of shit these days because people assume he meant killing civilians, but what he was talking about was actually property destruction.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:14:10am |
re: #153 Obdicut
I think people also forget that you just shouldn't go to war, period. War is generally the worst way to go about solving shit.
But so many people treat our military like it's an invincible robot soldier with death eye beams that can't be beat, and that the soldiers love being at war. Very few military guys actually like being in war. Very, very, very few infantry dudes do.
History is littered with statements about how stupid war is, how awful it is even when you're doing it for the right reasons, and yet every generation we get rah-rah idiots who think it's some fine surgeon's scalpel that we can use and achieve predictable results.
But, what if someone steals the king's beautiful wife and takes her across the sea?
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:16:31am |
re: #161 ggt
But, what if someone steals the king's beautiful wife and takes her across the sea?
Skip the war, write the poem anyway.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:17:57am |
We are to have a high of 81 degrees to day in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.
WOOT!
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:18:12am |
re: #160 Obdicut
Which one? This one?
or this one?
That quote gets him a lot of shit these days because people assume he meant killing civilians, but what he was talking about was actually property destruction.
Just a tiny nit to pick: Sherman didn't say "War is Hell" he said "War is ALL Hell." And yes, his army broke a bunch of stuff on the March to the Sea but they avoided slaughtering civilians.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:19:09am |
re: #164 Learned Mother of Zion
Just a tiny nit to pick: Sherman didn't say "War is Hell" he said "War is ALL Hell." And yes, his army broke a bunch of stuff on the March to the Sea but they avoided slaughtering civilians.
There you go, pickin' nits again.
And so early in the morning.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:19:10am |
re: #163 ggt
We are to have a high of 81 degrees to day in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.
WOOT!
I'm jealous. We're still cold, dark and rainy here.
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Flounder Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:21:19am |
re: #163 ggt
It is going to be 68 today in upstate NY, so I am celebrating and hanging laundry. I should make the son do dog doo patrol...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:22:35am |
re: #167 Tommy's cone of shame
It is going to be 68 today in upstate NY, so I am celebrating and hanging laundry. I should make the son do dog doo patrol...
We have a neighborhood association and have to do doo patrol on an instant basis. Makes Spring time so much easier.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:22:54am |
re: #164 Learned Mother of Zion
herman didn't say "War is Hell" he said "War is ALL Hell."
Thanks, I didn't know that.
The 'total war' that Sherman practiced was far less total than the Total War the belligerents in WWII practiced, in every way. It's weird to see Southerners curse Sherman's name but praise Patton.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:23:34am |
re: #169 Obdicut
Thanks, I didn't know that.
The 'total war' that Sherman practiced was far less total than the Total War the belligerents in WWII practiced, in every way. It's weird to see Southerners curse Sherman's name but praise Patton.
No offense to Southern Lizards, but a lot of Southerners are just plain weird.
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Kragar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:23:35am |
re: #160 Obdicut
Anyone who hasn't studied Sherman is doing themselves a grave disservice.
General William Tecumseh Sherman to the Mayor and Councilmen of Atlanta
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:25:39am |
re: #171 Kragar
Anyone who hasn't studied Sherman is doing themselves a grave disservice.
General William Tecumseh Sherman to the Mayor and Councilmen of Atlanta
Sherman was awesome in so many ways. There was a group of people who wanted to nominate him for President. He said "if nominated I will not run, if elected I will not serve."
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:26:28am |
Sherman was also a ferocious anti-Catholic, even (or maybe especially) when his son became a Catholic priest.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:26:42am |
re: #171 Kragar
Anyone who hasn't studied Sherman is doing themselves a grave disservice.
General William Tecumseh Sherman to the Mayor and Councilmen of Atlanta
He couldn't have been more clear.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:27:10am |
re: #173 Learned Mother of Zion
Sherman was also a ferocious anti-Catholic, even (or maybe especially) when his son became a Catholic priest.
I am so in a place right now where I understand his sentiments.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:29:05am |
re: #175 ggt
BTW, did you drop the Metamorphoses, or still reading?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:29:37am |
re: #152 Tommy's cone of shame
Prometheus reminds me of Alien,right down to the creepy robot. That Alien robot scene, when he goes nuts and spews white stuff all over, still chills me to the bone
[Embedded content]
It's bad enough they have an acid blooded monster running around.
Good Morning!
Waffles today.
But the thing is, Ash didn't malfunction. He was secretly placed in the crew by the Weylan-Yutani Corporation. Remember, the characters in the film work for a bottom-feeding company that does deep-space mining and salvage. The Nostromo is just a towing vessel. The crew aren't heroic space adventurers, they're just working stiffs.
Ash's job was to ensure the return of the ship (along with it's newly-discovered and potentially extremely lucrative cargo) even at the expense of the crew's lives. The Company needed a crewman who would be completely okay with stranding the entire crew on some distant asteroid or letting them all be killed by a hostile organism, and potentially sacrificing himself if necessary. Humans won't do that, so they outsourced it to a machine.
Ripley accidentally stumbles onto Ash's orders, and he can't have her alerting the rest of the crew, so he tries to kill her. He's just doing his job. It's at that point that she and the rest of the crew understand that they are utterly on their own.
They don't have laser guns and warp drive; civilization of any sort is years of travel time away. They could die horribly, literally in the middle of nowhere, and the people who put them there are entirely comfortable with that outcome. It makes you wonder why the ship has a self-destruct capability. They're not a military vessel carrying top-secret stuff. Apparently the Company contemplates a situation in which the loss of the ship and the deaths of the entire crew are preferable to whatever liability they'd otherwise incur.
That's a big part of the horror of "Alien". The alien itself isn't the only villain.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:29:49am |
re: #176 Tourquoise Supremacist
BTW, did you drop the Metamorphoses, or still reading?
Dropped it for now. It's still on my iPhone/iTunes.
picked-up Thomas Merton's autobiography.
Do I need to finish it?
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Flounder Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:33:19am |
re: #177 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII
Thankyou, I never watched Alien completely, but just assumed that right before he went "nuts, he was sweating a milky substance. Either that, or I am just dense, probably both.
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:34:11am |
Alexandra Pelosi's Inane Attempt To Offend "Both Sides"
Op/ed by Ta-Nehisi Coates at the Atlantic.
Explosions and pyrotechnics ensue.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:34:17am |
re: #179 Tommy's cone of shame
Thankyou, I never watched Alien completely, but just assumed that right before he went "nuts, he was sweating a milky substance. Either that, or I am just dense, probably both.
Oh, watch the whole franchise --including the Predator movies.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:40:16am |
re: #180 Gus
Who... what?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:40:46am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:41:57am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:43:20am |
I've been playing the n-back brain games.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:43:40am |
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:44:45am |
re: #186 Tourquoise Supremacist
A?
Ta-Nehisi Coates. Writes for the Atlantic. I don't know what to make of all that. I do know that I wasn't aware of any controversies. Basically Pelosi made a couple of "fast food" videos perhaps.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:44:50am |
Screw you guys, I'm goin' home./
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:45:00am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:45:59am |
re: #192 Gus
First time I hear about her.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:46:37am |
I'm going back to the land behind my eyelids.
Have a great morning all!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:47:33am |
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:48:13am |
re: #195 Tourquoise Supremacist
First time I hear about her.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
She's been around for a while now although not exactly in the public eye very much.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:49:17am |
re: #198 Gus
If this will be the next outrageous outrage, I'll sleep through. Let KT handle this one. ///
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:50:20am |
re: #199 Tourquoise Supremacist
If this will be the next outrageous outrage, I'll sleep through. Let KT handle this one. ///
You leaving too?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:51:55am |
re: #200 Gus
I wanna eat and watch the Dreams in the Witch House. BBL.
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:52:39am |
re: #201 Tourquoise Supremacist
I wanna eat and watch the Dreams in the Witch House. BBL.
Roger. Copy that. Return to base.
//
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kirkspencer Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:56:24am |
From some right-side acquaintances, I present the latest "proof Obama is evil."
He signed an executive order Friday (it'll be Executive Order 13601 when they number it this week). It's NATIONAL DEFENSE RESOURCES PREPAREDNESS, you can read it here.
The ODS claim is that it's setting the ground so Obama can nationalize all US industries. If that sounds familiar it means you've dealt with the black helicopter crowd before. It's an update of EO 12919 (signed by Clinton).
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:04:13am |
re: #104 goddamnedfrank
I had no idea how bad it was:
Holy shit WTF?!?
Zeus is some kind of epic level asshole, just wow.
Well, he had Liam Neeson portray him in one movie with a sequel out soon, so he can't have been all bad.
///
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:10:36am |
re: #203 kirkspencer
From some right-side acquaintances, I present the latest "proof Obama is evil."
He signed an executive order Friday (it'll be Executive Order 13601 when they number it this week). It's NATIONAL DEFENSE RESOURCES PREPAREDNESS, you can read it here.
The ODS claim is that it's setting the ground so Obama can nationalize all US industries. If that sounds familiar it means you've dealt with the black helicopter crowed before. It's an update of EO 12919 (signed by Clinton).
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:12:15am |
re: #203 kirkspencer
From some right-side acquaintances, I present the latest "proof Obama is evil."
He signed an executive order Friday (it'll be Executive Order 13601 when they number it this week). It's NATIONAL DEFENSE RESOURCES PREPAREDNESS, you can read it here.
The ODS claim is that it's setting the ground so Obama can nationalize all US industries. If that sounds familiar it means you've dealt with the black helicopter crowd before. It's an update of EO 12919 (signed by Clinton).
Oh brother! Was it just a few months ago they were yelling about how Obama has done nothing about China's control over the supply of 'rare earth' minerals, and now when he does something to ensure we have the supplies we need they'll go nuts about that.
Conspiracism is the product of a mind in flight from reality. - Jonathan Kay, Among the Truthers
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Kronocide Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:14:05am |
Who says OWS monopolized the Rapey Stabbey? Not this guy.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:14:15am |
re: #180 Gus
Alexandra Pelosi's Inane Attempt To Offend "Both Sides"
Op/ed by Ta-Nehisi Coates at the Atlantic.
Explosions and pyrotechnics ensue.
I didn't think they were that bad. I had no idea Pelosi's daughter had a shock jock thing going on. Hot Air voted the Bill Maher scandal to be the biggest outrage of the week, over at Dkos the Tea Party rape is top of the Rec list.
The great circle of derp continues to spin.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:14:37am |
re: #104 goddamnedfrank
I had no idea how bad it was:
Holy shit WTF?!?
Zeus is some kind of epic level asshole, just wow.
How come they have never made a movie of an epic throwdown between the gods of Olympus and the gods of Valhalla? That would be awesome!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:18:57am |
re: #203 kirkspencer
From some right-side acquaintances, I present the latest "proof Obama is evil."
He signed an executive order Friday (it'll be Executive Order 13601 when they number it this week). It's NATIONAL DEFENSE RESOURCES PREPAREDNESS, you can read it here.
The ODS claim is that it's setting the ground so Obama can nationalize all US industries. If that sounds familiar it means you've dealt with the black helicopter crowd before. It's an update of EO 12919 (signed by Clinton).
Relevant section on 'rare earths':
Sec. 306. Strategic and Critical Materials. The Secretary of Defense, and the Secretary of the Interior in consultation with the Secretary of Defense as the National Defense Stockpile Manager, are each delegated the authority of the President under section 303(a)(1)(B) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2093(a)(1)(B), to encourage the exploration, development, and mining of strategic and critical materials and other materials.
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:20:55am |
re: #203 kirkspencer
From some right-side acquaintances, I present the latest "proof Obama is evil."
He signed an executive order Friday (it'll be Executive Order 13601 when they number it this week). It's NATIONAL DEFENSE RESOURCES PREPAREDNESS, you can read it here.
The ODS claim is that it's setting the ground so Obama can nationalize all US industries. If that sounds familiar it means you've dealt with the black helicopter crowed before. It's an update of EO 12919 (signed by Clinton).
Bush revoked section 801 of the 1994 version through Executive Order 13456. Which was on "foreign investments." Other references to EO 12919 can be found here.
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Achilles Tang Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:22:21am |
re: #3 jaunte
Ridley Scott Q&A and Prometheus Trailer Premiere (livestream)
Am I supposed to listen seriously to someone with a stretch knit cap pulled over his ears and glasses, indoors?
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:22:25am |
re: #208 Killgore Trout
I didn't think they were that bad. I had no idea Pelosi's daughter had a shock jock thing going on. Hot Air voted the Bill Maher scandal to be the biggest outrage of the week, over at Dkos the Tea Party rape is top of the Rec list.
The great circle of derp continues to spin.
And no one really knows. That is if you do a man on the street interview. We have to be careful about the minutia sometimes. I didn't even know about this Alexandra Pelosi hoopla until I saw some Tweet by Coates.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:28:42am |
re: #211 Gus
Bush revoked section 801 of the 1994 version through Executive Order 13456. Which was on "foreign investments." Other references to EO 12919 can be found here.
And Alex Jones likely screamed about that, too. He and the rest of the "Enslaved By The New World Order!!1" crowd are convinced that anything any president does regarding industrial preparedness is in fact part of the "plot to enslave America!!1". They think this way because they want to feel that they are freedom fighters. Without that delusion, they'd have to deal with a reality they find painful.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:32:48am |
re: #213 Gus
And no one really knows. That is if you do a man on the street interview. We have to be careful about the minutia sometimes. I didn't even know about this Alexandra Pelosi hoopla until I saw some Tweet by Coates.
What I did find interesting that both videos did make me cringe because, although those people are real, We've all seen how those videos are used. The commentary afterwards was fair, the videos weren't even needed to discuss the points.
Also I find it annoying that they have to preface the videos with a stupid amount of explanations and qualifiers as if that's going to make any difference to the outrage police. They also have to do a "fair and balanced" two video series in an attempt to head off claims of bigotry.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:33:44am |
re: #213 Gus
And no one really knows. That is if you do a man on the street interview. We have to be careful about the minutia sometimes. I didn't even know about this Alexandra Pelosi hoopla until I saw some Tweet by Coates.
Very true. Its not normal to pay as close attention to politics as we do, or even many kooks* do.
*: It's weird, but I've found that many people who are moonbats, wingnuts, or conspiracy theorists nevertheless know more about history or current events than they average person. So its not that they lack the facts, its that they either interpret those facts wrongly or delude themselves into think those facts are really lies.
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darthstar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:38:21am |
re: #216 Dark_Falcon
moonbats, wingnuts, or conspiracy theorists nevertheless know more about history or current events than they average person.
This is America. Moonbats, wingnuts and conspiracy theorists ARE the average person.
/half
Mornin' everyone.
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:38:58am |
re: #215 Killgore Trout
What I did find interesting that both videos did make me cringe because, although those people are real, We've all seen how those videos are used. The commentary afterwards was fair, the videos weren't even needed to discuss the points.
Also I find it annoying that they have to preface the videos with a stupid amount of explanations and qualifiers as if that's going to make any difference to the outrage police. They also have to do a "fair and balanced" two video series in an attempt to head off claims of bigotry.
Of course the bigotry exists regardless of the videos representing "both sides." Although I really don't see the video asking 2 or 3 people in front of a NYC "welfare office" as representing "my side" either. Not exactly in depth interviews in both cases and more like another "man on the street" thing. Take a look at the Jay Leno interviews with the LA hipsters who can't tell the difference between LBJ and some basketball coach.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:39:54am |
I've been reading up on think tanks lately and discovered another reason to oppose the Limbaugh boycott. The effort seem to be spearheaded by Think Progress and Media Matters which are both run by the Center for American Progress. I'm just not comfortable with well funded Dem affiliated think tanks trying to get Republican radio shows taken off the air.
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darthstar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:43:22am |
re: #219 Killgore Trout
I've been reading up on think tanks lately and discovered another reason to oppose the Limbaugh boycott. The effort seem to be spearheaded by Think Progress and Media Matters which are both run by the Center for American Progress. I'm just not comfortable with well funded Dem affiliated think tanks trying to get Republican radio shows taken off the air.
Why don't you just boycott him because you think he's a vile creature who adds nothing positive to our culture...even if a "well funded Dem affiliated think tank" is also boycotting him.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:45:08am |
re: #220 darthstar
Why don't you just boycott him because you think he's a vile creature who adds nothing positive to our culture...even if a "well funded Dem affiliated think tank" is also boycotting him.
I do boycott him in the sense that I don;t listen to his show. I'm not going to call and harass his advertisers because some think tank tells me to.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:45:41am |
re: #177 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII
That's a big part of the horror of "Alien". The alien itself isn't the only villain.
It's that the Alien is the least of the villains.
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darthstar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:46:20am |
re: #221 Killgore Trout
I do boycott him in the sense that I don;t listen to his show. I'm not going to call and harass his advertisers because some think tank tells me to.
Then there's nothing for you to do...see how easy that is?
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:48:44am |
re: #219 Killgore Trout
I've been reading up on think tanks lately and discovered another reason to oppose the Limbaugh boycott. The effort seem to be spearheaded by Think Progress and Media Matters which are both run by the Center for American Progress. I'm just not comfortable with well funded Dem affiliated think tanks trying to get Republican radio shows taken off the air.
You're giving Think Progress and Media Matters far too much credit for this movement. There are others that led the charge including many people we've never heard of and efforts outside of the internet. In any case that's the way the came is played and I really don't think that a one sided truce would help the Democrats because that's what would happen -- a one sided truce because considering the veracity of Republican funded groups including the Tea Party, Heritage, etc.
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darthstar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:49:31am |
re: #222 William Barnett-Lewis
It's that the Alien is the least of the villains.
I would argue that the alien wasn't a villain at all. There was no malice in its actions. It was simply living according to its biology. Eat, lay eggs, survive. Though a diet of greasy humans can't be good for you, I must say.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:53:29am |
re: #225 darthstar
I would argue that the alien wasn't a villain at all. There was no malice in its actions. It was simply living according to its biology. Eat, lay eggs, survive. Though a diet of greasy humans can't be good for you, I must say.
To a certain definition. Still an antagonist in the story of Ripley & Jones.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:53:58am |
re: #225 darthstar
I would argue that the alien wasn't a villain at all. There was no malice in its actions. It was simply living according to its biology. Eat, lay eggs, survive. Though a diet of greasy humans can't be good for you, I must say.
I was going to say something similar, but you beat me to it. The 'Alien' species isn't sentient, not in any of the movies made about it. It cannot think, so it cannot have malice or greed. A villain's acts are driven by evil thoughts, so a being that does not have free thought cannot be a villain. It can still be an enemy. of course.
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darthstar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:54:03am |
re: #224 Gus
You're giving Think Progress and Media Matters far too much credit for this movement. There are others that led the charge including many people we've never heard of and efforts outside of the internet. In any case that's the way the came is played and I really don't think that a one sided truce would help the Democrats because that's what would happen -- a one sided truce because considering the veracity of Republican funded groups including the Tea Party, Heritage, etc.
Good point. This was a spontaneous national reaction to Limbaugh's poisonous rhetoric...three days of attacking a woman for simply expressing her opinion - not because she was criticizing or attacking anyone on the right - was over the top, and people who don't normally pay attention paid attention. TP and MMFA are obviously going to join in such events, for it's in their best interest. KT's saying they're a reason not to support the boycott of Rush seems like partisan defensiveness.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:54:45am |
re: #226 William Barnett-Lewis
To a certain definition. Still an antagonist in the story of Ripley & Jones.
Antagonist or Enemy is a better term for the Alien, rather than Villain.
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darthstar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:54:57am |
re: #227 Dark_Falcon
A villain's acts are driven by evil thoughts, so a being that does not have free thought cannot be a villain. It can still be an enemy. of course.
I thought we weren't going to talk about Sarah Palin.
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darthstar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:56:31am |
re: #229 Dark_Falcon
Antagonist or Enemy is a better term for the Alien, rather than Villain.
The "aliens" in those movies are the humans.
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darthstar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:58:02am |
re: #226 William Barnett-Lewis
To a certain definition. Still an antagonist in the story of Ripley & Jones.
People for the ethical treatment of aliens would disagree.
//
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:58:16am |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:00:14am |
re: #224 Gus
You're giving Think Progress and Media Matters far too much credit for this movement. There are others that led the charge including many people we've never heard of and efforts outside of the internet. In any case that's the way the came is played and I really don't think that a one sided truce would help the Democrats because that's what would happen -- a one sided truce because considering the veracity of Republican funded groups including the Tea Party, Heritage, etc.
Of course any truce would be one sided. Republicans have their own fear and hate fueled activist machine. Both sides put a lot of effort into viral marketing campaigns to get us to hate and fear our fellow Americans.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:01:12am |
re: #219 Killgore Trout
I've been reading up on think tanks lately and discovered another reason to oppose the Limbaugh boycott. The effort seem to be spearheaded by Think Progress and Media Matters which are both run by the Center for American Progress. I'm just not comfortable with well funded Dem affiliated think tanks trying to get Republican radio shows taken off the air.
And if ADL works to stop David Duke that's also creepy as hell and should not be supported. Everything must be fair and balanced. //
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:01:52am |
re: #234 Killgore Trout
Of course any truce would be one sided. Republicans have their own fear and hate fueled activist machine. Both sides put a lot of effort into viral marketing campaigns to get us to hate and fear our fellow Americans.
Much easier to fire up your base through hate of the other side, rather than a constructive program of action.
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darthstar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:02:02am |
re: #235 Tourquoise Supremacist
You're one post late...MBF appeared in 234
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:02:43am |
re: #237 darthstar
You're one post late...MBF appeared in 234
Ah yes. The infamous Left-wing Hate Machine.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:04:06am |
re: #237 darthstar
You're one post late...MBF appeared in 234
If she's going to show up this often, we need to give her D&D-type NPC Stats.
/Board game/RPG geek
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darthstar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:05:49am |
re: #236 Dark_Falcon
Much easier to fire up your base through hate of the other side, rather than a constructive program of action.
Not true! Mitt Romney is running a positive campaign against Rick Santorum! Mitt's ads are about how good he is compared to Santorm.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:07:31am |
re: #236 Dark_Falcon
Much easier to fire up your base through hate of the other side, rather than a constructive program of action.
It's much easier than selling a complicated and ideologically impure agenda to their respective bases.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:08:26am |
Are zombies villains or just antagonists?
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darthstar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:08:59am |
re: #242 Tourquoise Supremacist
Are zombies villains or just antagonists?
They're simply misunderstood.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:10:40am |
re: #242 Tourquoise Supremacist
Are zombies villains or just antagonists?
of course that depends entirely on their political affiliation prior to zombification.
/
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:12:12am |
Breaking News: It's an election year. A presidential election year. People will choose sides. Rhetoric will be highly partisan. There will be no unicorns, rainbows, and sunshine until otherwise noted.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:12:56am |
re: #244 Killgore Trout
of course that depends entirely on their political affiliation prior to zombification.
/
Who do zombies vote for?
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darthstar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:13:19am |
re: #241 Killgore Trout
It's much easier than selling a complicated and ideologically impure agenda to their respective bases.
Health care for all...not that complicated or ideologically impure.
A woman's right to choose...not that complicated or ideologically impure.
End US Oil company subsidies...not that complicated or ideologically impure.
Stop invading other countries and starting wars...not that complicated or ideologically impure.
Increase fuel economy and encourage green energy...not that complicated or ideologically impure.
Reducing taxes for the rich while eliminating services for poor people? Complicated and ideologically impure.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:13:25am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:14:42am |
re: #248 Killgore Trout
BRRAAAIIINNSSS!
Here you are again with the usual voter fraud accusation that dead people vote for Democrats.//
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:15:35am |
re: #249 Tourquoise Supremacist
Here you are again with the usual voter fraud accusation that dead people vote for Democrats.//
Acorn!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:17:33am |
Should there be racial segregation in the schools?
Haters and partisans in both camps have extreme opinions on this issue.
I, however, think the middle road is always the best.
/
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:18:16am |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:18:23am |
re: #241 Killgore Trout
It's much easier than selling a complicated and ideologically impure agenda to their respective bases.
True, as everyone running for president except Ron Paul has found out the hard way. As witness the 'boo's Romney, Santorum, and even Gingrich have gotten when they had to explain in a debate a compromise that gave something to the Democrats. Too much of the base of either party is inherently suspicious of compromise, and is susceptible to being told its "being sold out corrupt Washington Insiders".
But to counter any visit by the Magical Balance Fairy, let me point out that such tendencies are always worse in the party not holding the White House and that Fox News and Breitbart.com have been feeding sentiments of betrayal far more than MSNBC or the Daily Kos ever have done.
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:18:38am |
re: #251 Tourquoise Supremacist
Should there be racial segregation in the schools?
Haters and partisans in both camps have extreme opinions on this issue.
I, however, think the middle road is always the best.
/
We should take a centrist approach and let the states decide.
//
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:19:08am |
re: #244 Killgore Trout
Hah! Grist for this anti-partisans mill. Maybe I'll pseudo nic as the antipartisan particle.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:21:01am |
re: #254 Gus
We should take a centrist approach and let the states decide.
//
Good idea.
I also think that those liberal thinktanks waging the war against their fellow Americans who chose to join the KKK are despicable. Therefore I refuse to condemn the KKK. My method of boycotting the KKK is not joining the KKK.
/
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:23:40am |
re: #246 Tourquoise Supremacist
Who do zombies vote for?
They have the really big tent slate. Everyone from George Washington up through John or even Ted Kennedy. Zombie Reagan can win!!
//
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:24:23am |
re: #245 Gus
Breaking News: It's an election year. A presidential election year. People will choose sides. Rhetoric will be highly partisan. There will be no unicorns, rainbows, and sunshine until otherwise noted.
No there will be sunshine, it just won't be magical. The small allotment of Magical Sunshine LGF has been allocated is going to only two people:
1. Charles. Magical Sunshine is useful for investigating things and driving off trolls, so Charles clearly has need of it.
2. Killgore Trout. He uses Magical Sunshine to get better results from his gardens and to keep the slugs off his plants.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:25:43am |
re: #253 Dark_Falcon
But to counter any visit by the Magical Balance Fairy, let me point out that such tendencies are always worse in the party not holding the White House and that Fox News and Breitbart.com have been feeding sentiments of betrayal far more than MSNBC or the Daily Kos ever have done.
True. Fox news really broke the mold.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:25:55am |
re: #258 Dark_Falcon
I use my allotment of magical sunshine to shine it out my ass.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:26:51am |
re: #255 Daniel Ballard
Hah! Grist for this anti-partisans mill. Maybe I'll pseudo nic as the antipartisan particle.
lol
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:27:02am |
re: #256 Tourquoise Supremacist
Good idea.
I also think that those liberal thinktanks waging the war against their fellow Americans who chose to join the KKK are despicable. Therefore I refuse to condemn the KKK. My method of boycotting the KKK is not joining the KKK.
/
In a way it's kind like arguing "if we stop doing it they'll stop doing it." Doesn't work that way. Doesn't work with bullies and it doesn't work with say, countries like Iran. The key to winning the game is a good offense. Especially in an election year.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:27:37am |
re: #260 Obdicut
I use my allotment of magical sunshine to shine it out my ass.
pull your pants up, there's glare on my monitor.
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:27:56am |
re: #258 Dark_Falcon
No there will be sunshine, it just won't be magical. The small allotment of Magical Sunshine LGF has been allocated is going to only two people:
1. Charles. Magical Sunshine is useful for investigating things and driving off trolls, so Charles clearly has need of it.
2. Killgore Trout. He uses Magical Sunshine to get better results from his gardens and to keep the slugs off his plants.
Maybe if we try being nice to Ms. Geller she'll have a change of heart.
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:28:16am |
re: #262 Gus
Yeah, political Tolstoyism is bullshit.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:30:11am |
re: #262 Gus
The position that propaganda has no effect and makes society richer is such ahistorical bullshit it's hard to even contend with. There's no support for the position on any level, except the pretend glibertarian fantasy world where everyone is a stalwart rational decision-maker of Olympian proportions who is unswayed by anything other than cold reason.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:31:02am |
re: #266 Obdicut
The position that propaganda has no effect and makes society richer is such ahistorical bullshit it's hard to even contend with. There's no support for the position on any level, except the pretend glibertarian fantasy world where everyone is a stalwart rational decision-maker of Olympian proportions who is unswayed by anything other than cold reason.
RON PAUL'S GOLD.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:33:04am |
re: #247 darthstar
Health care for all...not that complicated or ideologically impure.
A woman's right to choose...not that complicated or ideologically impure.
End US Oil company subsidies...not that complicated or ideologically impure.
Stop invading other countries and starting wars...not that complicated or ideologically impure.
Increase fuel economy and encourage green energy...not that complicated or ideologically impure.Reducing taxes for the rich while eliminating services for poor people? Complicated and ideologically impure.
What if I told you that the Democrats agenda also includes continuing the war on terror, drone strikes against us citizens, keeping gitmo open, possible military action against Iran, close ties to lobbyists, banks, oil companies?
It's a lot harder to sell that agenda to the American left.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:34:23am |
re: #268 Killgore Trout
So who is the "American left" to you, if not the Democrats?
By "American left' do you mean "fringe left"?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:35:22am |
re: #266 Obdicut
Stupid Nuremberg judges. They condemned Julius Streicher to death just for words! Little did they know that words don't have that kind of influence. /
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:37:52am |
re: #247 darthstar
Increase fuel economy and encourage green energy...not that complicated or ideologically impure.
Let me just take one of these, since I have to leave soon. Because it turns out that increasing fuel economy is complicated, since it tends to lead to smaller cars people don't want and are less safe since they are more lightly built. Real advances in engine technology to improve fuel economy are expensive, in both time and money, and even once they are developed it still takes years before they can be done cheaply enough for mass production.
Encouraging green energy is actually very complicated as well. A a fast example, just take Beacon Power. Not an EPIC FAIL like Solyndra, but they had a good green idea that they ultimately could not make work fast enough, cheaply enough.
Just on that point alone, Darthstar, your argument is undone by dynamic frustration, helped along by Mr. Murphy. And when that happens, politicians have to try something to shift the blame. Why? Because if they tried to explain dynamic frustration the voters would not believe them. Someone else would come up with a DERPy Lie that would be far easier for an uninformed person to get their head around.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:40:37am |
Oh great, some huge dude is trying to kidnap women in my old workplace's parking garage.
[Link: www.mercurynews.com...]
Emeryville is right next to Oakland. I really hope Oakland PD gets its shit together, but I've been wishing that for a couple of decades now.
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:41:56am |
re: #247 darthstar
Health care for all...not that complicated or ideologically impure.
A woman's right to choose...not that complicated or ideologically impure.
End US Oil company subsidies...not that complicated or ideologically impure.
Stop invading other countries and starting wars...not that complicated or ideologically impure.
Increase fuel economy and encourage green energy...not that complicated or ideologically impure.Reducing taxes for the rich while eliminating services for poor people? Complicated and ideologically impure.
1, 3, and 5 are all quite complicated actually. Uncomplicated to speak but very complicated to accomplish. It's easy to want, hard to do.
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darthstar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:42:06am |
re: #268 Killgore Trout
What if I told you that the Democrats agenda also includes continuing the war on terror, drone strikes against us citizens, keeping gitmo open, possible military action against Iran, close ties to lobbyists, banks, oil companies?
It's a lot harder to sell that agenda to the American left.
Indeed, that's complicated...tough job, presidentin'...I suspect we'll see Gitmo close in the next term (when it's politically safe, yes). As for military action against Iran, that's an AIPAC wet dream, and after a few weeks of elevated rhetoric, has already started to reduce from boil to simmer. As for US citizens who don't want to get killed in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen etc....they should probably not join groups publicly stating their opposition to the United States.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:42:12am |
re: #266 Obdicut
Found this paper: [Link: www.hks.harvard.edu...]
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:43:14am |
re: #269 Obdicut
So who is the "American left" to you, if not the Democrats?
By "American left' do you mean "fringe left"?
I mean the left base of voters. The further left you go the harder it is to sell those uncomfortable but necessary ideas. Dems have swallowed up most of the moderates abandoned by the Republicans so the demographics of the party has changed a bit for now. But, just like we saw with the "neocons" in the bush era, there's always a bit of tension between the moderates and the base of either party.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:43:50am |
re: #273 Daniel Ballard
1, 3, and 5 are all quite complicated actually. Uncomplicated to speak but very complicated to accomplish. It's easy to want, hard to do.
All 3 opposed by a major US political party and its special interests.
What a coincidence!
;)
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William of Orange Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:44:58am |
The white House gives an Executive Order and the rightwing bloggosphere goes in meltdown mode... I will spare you the links but here are the headlines.
Shrieking Harpy:
Obama Prepares for "National Emergency": nationalize everything (even you) w/o congressional oversight
(That is off course in CAPS LOCK!!111!111)
Instapundit:
Obama Executive Order: Peacetime Martial Law
Examiner:
President Obama signs Executive Order allowing for control over all US resources
Rightwing news:
Does Obama’s National Defense Resources Preparedness Order Allow Unfettered Control?
And then there are also discussions going on at Legal Insurrection, Proteine wisdom and others.
Sigh...
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:45:06am |
re: #275 Tourquoise Supremacist
Yeah, Rwanda is probably one of the best examples in recent times, since it didn't actually depend on centuries of propaganda the way the anti-Jewish rhetoric in Europe did.
The Tutsi and the Hutu, on the other hand, are basically the same culture, and the propaganda was clearly one of the driving factors in the genocide.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:46:37am |
re: #276 Killgore Trout
I mean the left base of voters.
Okay, who are they? By 'base' it seems to mean you're talking about the Democrats base, but you're saying you don't mean the Democrats.
Dems have swallowed up most of the moderates abandoned by the Republicans so the demographics of the party has changed a bit for now. But, just like we saw with the "neocons" in the bush era, there's always a bit of tension between the moderates and the base of either party.
The moderates-- or at least pragmatists-- are the base of the Democrats. Why do you think otherwise?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:47:51am |
re: #280 Obdicut
Yeah, Rwanda is probably one of the best examples in recent times, since it didn't actually depend on centuries of propaganda the way the anti-Jewish rhetoric in Europe did.
The Tutsi and the Hutu, on the other hand, are basically the same culture, and the propaganda was clearly one of the driving factors in the genocide.
Free speech for Radio Rwanda! Don't hate on your fellow Rwandan talk radio host citizens!
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:48:17am |
re: #276 Killgore Trout
A 'bit of tension' is a vast understatement. The GOP purged moderates from their ideological ranks.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:49:52am |
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:50:53am |
re: #285 Varek Raith
3. Do not fight evil with evil, but return evil with good... 15 megaton devices.
/
Try 50 megatons.
//
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:51:28am |
re: #282 Tourquoise Supremacist
Free speech for Radio Rwanda! Don't hate on your fellow Rwandan talk radio host citizens!
That's the level of outrageous fear I'm talking about. Rush's radio show is not going to cause a genocide in America.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:53:09am |
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:53:13am |
re: #278 Varek Raith
It was the GOP that made health care complicated? Or international energy needs? Huh. Dump the GOP and all will be well in just minutes!! Just have the Green party and the Dems for your two party system.
//
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:53:34am |
re: #169 Obdicut
Thanks, I didn't know that.
The 'total war' that Sherman practiced was far less total than the Total War the belligerents in WWII practiced, in every way. It's weird to see Southerners curse Sherman's name but praise Patton.
Not particularly. No one rates their personal experience of devastation on a scale.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:53:52am |
re: #287 Killgore Trout
That's the level of outrageous fear I'm talking about. Rush's radio show is not going to cause a genocide in America.
Just like Rachael Maddow's gay agenda isn't going lead to Christian in concentration camps. It's absurd.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:54:37am |
re: #289 Daniel Ballard
It was the GOP that made health care complicated? Or international energy needs? Huh. Dump the GOP and all will be well in just minutes!! Just have the Green party and the Dems for your two party system.
//
I'm trolling you.
I just had my coffee.
Sue me.
:P
:)
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darthstar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:54:41am |
re: #291 Killgore Trout
Just like Rachael Maddow's gay agenda isn't going lead to Christian in concentration camps.
Shit.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:55:34am |
re: #287 Killgore Trout
That's the level of outrageous fear I'm talking about. Rush's radio show is not going to cause a genocide in America.
Nobody implies that it would. But those who say that the right's hate rhetoric is without any harmful consequences whatsoever, that it enriches the national dialogue and thus should be left unmolested and unharrassed have their heads up their asses.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:55:42am |
re: #291 Killgore Trout
Just like Rachael Maddow's gay agenda isn't going lead to Christian in concentration camps. It's absurd.
No, but take a gander at what some on the religious right are doing in Uganda.
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darthstar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:58:35am |
Maureen Dowd is worth reading today.
Asked by Newsweek in 2007 if he had done baptisms for the dead, which involve white garb and immersion in water, a startled Romney replied, “I have in my life, but I haven’t recently.”
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:59:25am |
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:00:13am |
Who is Megan McArdle character? She is saying that Free-Market Healthcare.
Interestingly, I see Conservatives want us to emulate Singapore, a bland dictatorship.
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:01:08am |
re: #292 Varek Raith
I'm trolling you.
I just had my coffee.
Sue me.
:P:)
I think I'll add some brandy to my coffee this morning, oh and BTW Dragon_Lady says hello. We had the luck of the Irish going for us yesterday. Got through a storm, saw a good show and then got to chase the weather. D_L got the best shot on the day.
Image: Donna_1301.jpg
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:01:50am |
re: #299 Daniel Ballard
I think I'll add some brandy to my coffee this morning, oh and BTW Dragon_Lady says hello. We had the luck of the Irish going for us yesterday. Got through a storm, saw a good show and then got to chase the weather. D_L got the best shot on the day.
Image: Donna_1301.jpg
Ah, my rainbow deathray.
Nice pic!
:)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:02:10am |
re: #296 darthstar
Matthew Bowman, who wrote “The Mormon People,” says Mormons “have a hard time understanding why people from other religions find this so offensive. Mormons don’t think of these people as being made Mormon unless their spirit accepts the Gospel. They just think they’ve given them an opportunity. Mormonism is wildly optimistic.”
Exactly.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:03:34am |
Klaatu barada nikto!
There. All who died are now retroactively Sith.
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BenghaziHoops Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:04:20am |
re: #299 Daniel Ballard
I think I'll add some brandy to my coffee this morning, oh and BTW Dragon_Lady says hello. We had the luck of the Irish going for us yesterday. Got through a storm, saw a good show and then got to chase the weather. D_L got the best shot on the day.
Image: Donna_1301.jpg
I can see the pot of Gold from here...or is that Russia?
/
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:04:29am |
re: #302 Varek Raith
Klaatu barada nikto!
There. All who died are now retroactively Sith.
That's not evil. You made them like yourself.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:04:43am |
re: #301 Tourquoise Supremacist
Exactly.
Aside from the specific detail of posthumous baptism, this sounds like many mainstream Evangelicals to me.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:05:33am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:06:12am |
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:06:40am |
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:06:46am |
They can baptize my dead corpse or cremains all they want but I'll still have been an atheist after I'm dead. Which would just be a memory anyway. Frankly, I think they're making way to big a deal of this "Mormon baptism" thing. This ritual doesn't change anyone's history or memory which is what's left anyway once a person is dead.
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darthstar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:07:13am |
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:07:15am |
re: #297 Varek Raith
As if the truth is not bad enough about Foxxconn, who of course is a supplier for firms besides Apple. Clipped from Wiki
Acer Inc. (Taiwan)[32]
Amazon.com (United States)[33]
Apple Inc. (United States)[34]
Cisco (United States)[35]
Dell (United States)[36]
Hewlett-Packard (United States)[37]
Intel (United States)[38]
Microsoft (United States)[39]
Motorola Mobility (United States)[36]
Nintendo (Japan)[40]
Nokia (Finland)[34]
Samsung Electronics (South Korea)[41]
Sony (Japan)[42]
Toshiba (Japan) [43]
Vizio (United States)[44]
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:09:16am |
re: #287 Killgore Trout
That's the level of outrageous fear I'm talking about. Rush's radio show is not going to cause a genocide in America.
But nobody is claiming that it is. What's being claimed is that propaganda has effects, and doesn't just make society richer-- it often makes society dumber, poorer, and more fraught.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:09:25am |
re: #309 Gus
They can baptize my dead corpse or cremains all they want but I'll still have been an atheist after I'm dead. Which would just be a memory anyway. Frankly, I think they're making way to big a deal of this "Mormon baptism" thing. This ritual doesn't change anyone's history or memory which is what's left anyway once a person is dead.
Exactly. The argument that this is "rewriting history", that I've read somewhere, doesn't make sense - not only these people are not counted as Mormons, even if they were, the LDS church is too insignificant for their private rituals to budge history-writing in any direction.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:10:27am |
re: #312 Obdicut
But nobody is claiming that it is.
Of course not. Yet we're accused of "twisting of words".
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darthstar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:14:20am |
Okay...blue skies peeking through...time to take the dogs to the beach...play nice, everyone.
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:14:35am |
re: #313 Tourquoise Supremacist
Exactly. The argument that this is "rewriting history", that I've read somewhere, doesn't make sense - not only these people are not counted as Mormons, even if they were, the LDS church is too insignificant for their private rituals to budge history-writing in any direction.
Sort of like if someone "baptized" Christopher Hitchens. What? Suddenly he's sent to hell after that? Not going to happen. They're free to practice such silliness which will have no effect other than me shrugging.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:15:24am |
re: #169 Obdicut
Thanks, I didn't know that.
The 'total war' that Sherman practiced was far less total than the Total War the belligerents in WWII practiced, in every way. It's weird to see Southerners curse Sherman's name but praise Patton.
The primary reason is that Sherman did it to *them* (or supposedly their ancestors) and Patton did it to someone else.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:15:53am |
Holy crap, a cop actually lost his job for pulling shady shit.
[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]
A south Texas city police officer who shook down a motorist for an ice chest full of beer during a traffic stop pleaded guilty to official oppression, The (McAllen) Monitor newspaper reported.
Gilberto Montezano, 30, was sentenced to 18 months probation and fined $500 in Hidalgo County District Court.
Edinburg police suspended him without pay, then fired him after the Texas Rangers investigated, Edinburg Police Chief Rolando Castaneda told The Monitor.
The investigation was opened after police learned that Montezano took the beer and ice chest - a model that resembled a pickup truck tool box - from motorist Miguel Guzman during a traffic stop.
This is not the first time Montezano has made news. In February 2010, he was involved in a chase in the wrong direction down a frontage road that ended with the suspect crashing into another vehicle, killing a family of three, the Monitor reported.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:17:28am |
re: #318 Obdicut
The last para is chilling.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:19:08am |
And the RNC got turned down in its effort to vacate an order preventing them from intimidating minorities at polling stations.
[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]
This bit's gotta sting:
Moreover, the decree simply requires the RNC to preclear its voter-fraud-prevention programs. But "the RNC has never submitted any voter fraud prevention program for preclearance."
"If the risk of voter fraud is as great and consequential as the RNC alleges and an RNC voter security program is a significant part of efforts needed to prevent that voter fraud, it would seem that the RNC would have attempted to obtain preclearance for a voter security program at least once since 1987," Greenaway wrote.
Gee, it's almost like the RNC knows that voter fraud is almost non-existent.
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:19:10am |
re: #319 Tourquoise Supremacist
The last para is chilling.
18 month probation and a 500 dollar fine! That'll teach him!
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:19:25am |
Science!
They were young males on the make, and they struck out not once, not twice, but a dozen times with a group of attractive females hovering nearby. So they did what so many men do after being repeatedly rejected: they got drunk, using alcohol as a balm for unfulfilled desire.
And not one flew off in search of a rotting banana.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:19:28am |
re: #318 Obdicut
Whatever happened to the pepper spray cop? Still "under investigation"? Oh, still a damnable mess. Now it's officers rights vs the public's rights.
[Link: www.sacbee.com...]
Sheesh.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:20:00am |
re: #319 Tourquoise Supremacist
Yeah, high-speed pursuit is being phased out in a lot of PDs for exactly that reason, but it's still way too common.
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Interesting Times Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:20:04am |
In which lying little bastard J. Bast of Heartland is shown to be an even more contemptible hypocrite than you could ever conceive of:
The Glass House Effect: Heartland Institute Tried To Steal Documents From Greenpeace
A Heartland Institute front man phoned a Greenpeace activist and lied about his identity in an effort to get her to turn over UN climate conference documents to which he had no legitimate access. Heartland senior fellow James Taylor then boasted about the scam in a press release decrying what he described as Greenpeace’s preferential access to UN information.
Now, in a belated act of optimism, Greenpeace’s Cindy Baxter has written a letter to Heartland [PDF here] requesting an explanation for the double standard. Baxter is asking, in effect, why Heartland thinks it’s completely okay for them to misrepresent themselves, repeatedly, and to celebrate the misrepresentations of others who are attacking climate scientists, but then gets all righteous when someone suckers them into handing over their entire budget and fundraising policy for 2012.
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:20:11am |
Try bribing a cop with a cooler full of beer and see what that gets you. It sure won't be 18 months probation and a 500 dollar fine.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:21:28am |
re: #316 Gus
Sort of like if someone "baptized" Christopher Hitchens. What? Suddenly he's sent to hell after that? Not going to happen. They're free to practice such silliness which will have no effect other than me shrugging.
So, is Romney still on the hook to make a public statement or not?
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:22:02am |
re: #327 SanFranciscoZionist
So, is Romney still on the hook to make a public statement or not?
Don't know.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:23:32am |
re: #321 Gus
I have an odd position on cop stuff; I think that cops who accidentally shoot people should not face criminal charges, but I think cops who abuse their authority in any way should face heavy, heavy charges. We ask cops to carry guns and use them-- with discretion, sure, but mistakes will always occur. As long as a shooting really is accidental or just total panic and not malevolent, I don't see any point in punishing the cop. Obviously, they should be taken off the force unless it was a really bizarre accident, but punishment just seems pointless.
But when a cop is abusing their authority to steal shit or assault people, or fabricate evidence or lie under oath-- they should get much heavier punishment then they do now.
This will never happen, of course.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:24:37am |
re: #327 SanFranciscoZionist
So, is Romney still on the hook to make a public statement or not?
I don't care whether or not he's done them. I don't think they have any effect, and from the point of view of the Mormons they're being nice by doing them. I don't care if someone says 'bless you' after I sneeze, either.
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:30:46am |
A little something to fill the air with some sweet sounds...
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:31:41am |
re: #330 Obdicut
I don't care whether or not he's done them. I don't think they have any effect, and from the point of view of the Mormons they're being nice by doing them. I don't care if someone says 'bless you' after I sneeze, either.
Never bothered me WRT to the "bless you" after the sneezing. There have been a few cases were I've been around a group of people and one person sneezes and no one say "bless you" save one who turns around and says, "I can't believe no one said bless you!!"
As far as Romney's concerned he doesn't have to answer to this particular ritual. He's not a spokesman for the Mormon Church. It would be like asking a Catholic candidate to respond to some strange policy from the Vatican. In fact I would say that under the Establishment Clause this is not required if not infringes on the separation of church and state.
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:32:29am |
I think there's an interesting parallel to be drawn between the "HALAL FOODS OMG" freakouts and the Mormon stuff. Halal meat really does have the name of Allah invoked during the killing of the animal. Rational people know that this means nothing, has no effect on non-believers, so why get upset about it? Similarly, the Mormon post-death Baptisms don't actually do anything, and all they do even to the credulous is offer a 'choice' to the soul, which is kind of sweet, if patronizing.
The part of it that gets in people's craws is the implied intimacy, I think, the calling out of people by name. Ancestor-worship is the-- heh-- ancestor of all religions, and I think that's why people have this visceral reaction to it. But it's an irrational response and I think it only really gets footing because Mormons are still seen as weird and outside the mainstream of US Christianity.
If they were claiming that they really were making those people Mormon, I could see religious people getting upset about it, but they don't.
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Kronocide Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:33:33am |
RSM laments that the Dirty F'ing Hippies only got a few knees and batons and not shot:
That’s the way to do it, NYPD! Give ‘em a sweet taste of the nightstick!
But doesn’t NYPD have tasers? Jack ‘em up with some high voltage!
Billy clubs, tasers, pepper spray, whatever it takes to keep Marxist scum off the streets of New York, do it. These whiny deadbeats are a menace to public safety — scabies! tuberculosis! rape! — and if they refuse to disperse peacefully, they have thereby declared war on the law-abiding citizens of New York, whom the NYPD are sworn to protect and serve.
There are reports that a handful of Occupy protesters were hospitalized with injuries. Unfortunately, it was only a handful, and none of those injuries were wounds from 9mm pistols or 12-gauge riot guns.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:36:16am |
Ed Morrisey and other wingnuts are trying to convince their hysterical readers that Obama is not going to round them up and confiscate their property.
Now pardon me while I go listen to Rush's secret genocide instructions.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:37:02am |
re: #335 Killgore Trout
Ed Morrisey and other wingnuts are trying to convince their hysterical readers that Obama is not going to round them up and confiscate their property.
Now pardon me while I go listen to Rush's secret genocide instructions.
Don't ever accuse anyone of twisting your words again.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:37:40am |
re: #334 Kronocide
Unfortunately, it was only a handful, and none of those injuries were wounds from 9mm pistols or 12-gauge riot guns.
Yeesh.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:38:08am |
re: #334 Kronocide
What can you do, a fascist is gonna be a fascist.
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Kronocide Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:38:47am |
re: #336 Tourquoise Supremacist
Don't ever accuse anyone of twisting your words again.
It's been quite a long spin around the toilet bowl.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:39:04am |
re: #336 Tourquoise Supremacist
Don't ever accuse anyone of twisting your words again.
You're not the boss of me.
/I feel an outrageous outrage coming on.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:39:30am |
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Kronocide Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:43:44am |
re: #338 Tourquoise Supremacist
What can you do, a fascist is gonna be a fascist.
I guess I'm still shocked at how openly many express their own Brownshirt Fantasies.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:44:30am |
re: #342 Kronocide
I guess I'm still shocked at how openly many express their own Brownshirt Fantasies.
Years of eliminationist rhetoric from the right have nothing to do with it./
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Kronocide Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:45:58am |
re: #343 Tourquoise Supremacist
Years of eliminationist rhetoric from the right have nothing to do with it./
Hey, Right = Left, all the same!
Ginormous Mega /
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:46:36am |
re: #338 Tourquoise Supremacist
What can you do, a fascist is gonna be a fascist.
Damn. Sure sounds like a fascist doesn't he:
There are reports that a handful of Occupy protesters were hospitalized with injuries. Unfortunately, it was only a handful, and none of those injuries were wounds from 9mm pistols or 12-gauge riot guns.
Easy enough to go Godwin here. Sounds like he would be perfect for a Latin American military coup circa the 1970s. Or China's Tienanmen Square.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:46:38am |
re: #344 Kronocide
Ever read this: [Link: dneiwert.blogspot.com...] ?
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Kronocide Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:51:20am |
re: #346 Tourquoise Supremacist
Ever read this: [Link: dneiwert.blogspot.com...] ?
No, but it looks beefy. Will read it later today, I have to go to work shortly.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:51:27am |
re: #345 Gus
Damn. Sure sounds like a fascist doesn't he:
Easy enough to go Godwin here. Sounds like he would be perfect for a Latin American military coup circa the 1970s. Or China's Tienanmen Square.
I know precisely where he's coming from.
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:54:32am |
re: #348 Decatur Deb
I know precisely where he's coming from.
True that. Of course even they didn't shoot directly into the protesters as RS McCain now suggests for OWS. About the closest we come historically and in modern times would be Kent State. There was another shooting incident after that at some other college. There were labor shootings which can be found here.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:55:10am |
re: #345 Gus
Damn. Sure sounds like a fascist doesn't he:
Easy enough to go Godwin here. Sounds like he would be perfect for a Latin American military coup circa the 1970s. Or China's Tienanmen Square.
He's way out of line. I don't have much sympathy for the protesters fighting with cops but that's just way too much.
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jaunte Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:55:24am |
CBO:
"CBO and JCT now estimate that the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA will have a net cost of just under $1.1 trillion over the 2012–2021 period—about $50 billion less than the agencies’ March 2011 estimate for that 10-year period."
House Republican Policy Committee Chairman Tom Price (R-GA):
"The new CBO projection estimates that the law will cost $1.76 trillion over 10 years – well above the $940 billion Democrats originally claimed."
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:55:31am |
10 September 1897 (United States)
Lattimer Massacre -- 19 unarmed striking coal miners and mine workers were killed and 36 wounded by a posse organized by the Luzerne County sheriff for refusing to disperse near Hazleton, Pennsylvania. The strikers, most of whom were shot in the back, were originally brought in as strike-breakers, but later organized themselves.
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:57:40am |
O beautiful, for spacious skies...
...
11 June 1913 (United States)
Police shot three maritime workers (one of whom was killed) who were striking against the United Fruit Company in New Orleans.1914 (United States)
According to a report by the Commission on Industrial Relations, approximately 35,000 workers were killed in industrial accidents and 700,000 workers were injured in the U.S.5 January 1914 (United States)
The Ford Motor Company raised its basic wage from $2.40 for a nine hour day to $5 for an eight hour day.20 April 1914 (United States)
The "Ludlow Massacre." In an attempt to persuade strikers at Colorado's Ludlow Mine Field to return to work, company "guards," engaged by John D. Rockefeller, Jr. and other mine operators and sworn into the State Militia just for the occasion, attacked a union tent camp with machine guns, then set it afire. Five men, two women and 12 children died as a result....
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:59:43am |
The lynchings:
22 November 1887 (United States)
In the Thibodaux massacre in Thibodaux, Louisiana a local militia, aided by bands of "prominent citizens," shot at least 35 unarmed black sugar workers striking to gain a dollar-per-day wage, and lynched two strike leaders.1 August 1917 (United States)
IWW organizer Frank Little was lynched in Butte, Montana.11 November 1919 (United States)
Centralia Massacre -- IWW organizer Wesley Everest was lynched after a Centralia, Washington IWW hall was attacked by Legionnaires.
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jaunte Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:04:58am |
McCain, trying to steer away from the cliff:
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:07:15am |
re: #356 jaunte
It would be nice if the "standard bearers" actually listened. I doubt they will.
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jaunte Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:08:59am |
re: #357 Georgia Tech Aunt
I guess he wasn't thinking when he signed on to the Blunt amendment.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:24:43am |
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:26:43am |
Wow, wtf,
A police helicopter then dropped a four-pound bomb made of C-4 plastic explosive and Tovex, a dynamite substitute, onto the roof of the house.
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BenghaziHoops Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:27:45am |
re: #362 March Madness, way better than politics!
Not yet!
How are your brackets? Mine are hurting..I'm glad I picked Florida and Kentucky..And wait for it..INDIANA! Woot!
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:30:01am |
A small amount of C-4 packs a pretty big punch. Less than a pound of C-4 could potentially kill several people, and several military issue M112 blocks of C-4, weighing about 1.25 pounds (half a kilogram) each, could potentially demolish a truck. Demolition experts typically use a good amount of C-4 in order to do a job properly. To take out one 8-inch (20.3-centimeter) square steel beam, for example, they would probably use 8 to 10 pounds (3.6 to 4.5 kilograms) of C-4.
Idiots.
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darthstar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:30:14am |
re: #356 jaunte
McCain, trying to steer away from the cliff:
Yeah...trust the guy who crashed five planes (I know, he got shot down the last time) to steer the GOP clear of an accident.
Still, it's good to see McCain trying to salvage his legacy and distance himself from the wingnut base he embraced only a year and a half ago.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:31:36am |
re: #367 Varek Raith
Idiots.
It wasn't the explosive force of the IED--the fire it started took out a city block.
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jaunte Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:34:18am |
re: #368 darthstar
I'm glad he's given his party a reminder that they're supposed to represent their constituents, not guide them:
According to a new poll from Bloomberg, more than 60 percent of Americans — and 70 percent of women — said that President Obama’s policy requiring contraception coverage in employer-provided insurance plans is a matter of women’s health, rejecting the Republican argument against the new rule.
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darthstar Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:36:12am |
re: #370 jaunte
I'm glad he's given his party a reminder that they're supposed to represent their constituents, not guide them:
And it only took him a month or so to do that.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:36:24am |
re: #369 Decatur Deb
It wasn't the explosive force of the IED--the fire it started took out a city block.
I still can't believe they dropped a bomb from a chopper.
Holy shit.
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zora Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:36:35am |
re: #363 Varek Raith
The cops dropped a bomb from a heli???
:/
Mayor W. Wilson Goode soon appointed an investigative commission called the PSIC or MOVE commission. It issued its report on March 6, 1986. The report denounced the actions of the city government, stating that "Dropping a bomb on an occupied row house was unconscionable."[13] No one from the city government was charged criminally.
In a 1996 civil suit in US federal court, a jury ordered the City of Philadelphia to pay $1.5 million to a survivor and relatives of two people killed in the incident. The jury found that the city used excessive force and violated the members' constitutional protection against unreasonable search and seizure.[12] Philadelphia was given the sobriquet "The City that Bombed Itself."[14][15]
from wiki
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:39:11am |
re: #372 Varek Raith
I still can't believe they dropped a bomb from a chopper.
Holy shit.
Mayor Rizzo went on to make an unsuccessful run for something or other. He could have been governor of Alabama, except for the accent.
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Gus Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:41:34am |
re: #374 Decatur Deb
Mayor Rizzo went on to make an unsuccessful run for something or other. He could have been governor of Alabama, except for the accent.
Looks like he became a Republican upon leaving office. 5 years before his death. I remember seeing him on TV as a kid. Always cringe worthy.
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jaunte Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:42:42am |
After spending a week exposed to Santorum and Romney I seriously doubt Puerto Ricans want statehood now.
— Andy Borowitz (@BorowitzReport) March 18, 2012
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Stanghazi Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:43:07am |
re: #366 HoosierHoops
How are your brackets? Mine are hurting..I'm glad I picked Florida and Kentucky..And wait for it..INDIANA! Woot!
I'm at 37 on the main one, need to check that last obscure one I did, cause on that I picked some long shots. Gators v. Norfolk soon.
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Stanghazi Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:44:17am |
re: #368 darthstar
Yeah...trust the guy who crashed five planes (I know, he got shot down the last time) to steer the GOP clear of an accident.
Still, it's good to see McCain trying to salvage his legacy and distance himself from the wingnut base he embraced only a year and a half ago.
His wife and daughter are giving him shit. Good on them.
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Big Joe Ghazi Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:45:29am |
Good morning. The ribs are rubbed, the charcoal is lit and the smoker is warming up. I still have to make the finishing sauce and baked beans. Six hours till ecstasy.
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Stanghazi Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:48:56am |
re: #380 Ghost of Tom Joad
Good morning. The ribs are rubbed, the charcoal is lit and the smoker is warming up. I still have to make the finishing sauce and baked beans. Six hours till ecstasy.
My Oklahoma housemate is doing a smoked brisket today. The smoker is smoking! Lovely day already.
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William of Orange Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:52:08am |
Another Tea Party "choir boy" arrested!!
San Diego Tea Party Leader Arrested For Kidnapping, Rape.
March 17, 2012 (Lemon Grove)—Lemon Grove resident Michael John Kobulnicky, 50, a leader in the San Diego Tea Party and former regional director of the Southern California Conservative Party, is under arrest for allegedly kidnapping and raping a local woman on Fiesta Island.
“He dragged her out of the car and sexually assaulted her pretty brutally,” San Diego Police Lt. Andra Brown told ECM news partner 10 News in late February, shortly after the February 25 assault occurred.
On his website, [Link: www.michaelkobulnickyusa.com,...] Kobulnicky lists his leadership roles as “currently the co-organizer and public relations representative for the San Diego Tea Party.”
After Kobulnicky’s arrest, the San Diego Tea Party issued a statement indicating that Kobulnicky took leave the group in January for personal reasons and had not been in touch since then, the San Diego Union-Tribune reports. He has been removed from his position while the legal process runs its course, the statement said, adding that “"Our hearts and our thoughts go out to the victim.”
Here we go again...
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Stanghazi Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:53:26am |
Hoops! What a crock my bracket on ESPN is
3,315,134 Place
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Obdicut Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:54:20am |
re: #385 William of Orange
After Kobulnicky’s arrest, the San Diego Tea Party issued a statement indicating that Kobulnicky took leave the group in January for personal reasons and had not been in touch since the
Sounds like he may have cracked up awhile ago.
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Interesting Times Sun, Mar 18, 2012 11:03:27am |
Too bad Andrew Breitbart isn't alive to tell us that this means the Tea Party has a Culture of Rape eastcountymagazine.org/node/9044— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) March 18, 2012
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ElCapitanAmerica Sun, Mar 18, 2012 12:50:56pm |
re: #368 darthstarYeah...trust the guy who crashed five planes (I know, he got shot down the last time) to steer the GOP clear of an accident.
I'm not sure how that's a valid dig against him, "hahaha, yeah trust the guy that actually served his country in the military with dignity! hahaha".
Why can't we just cheer when people on the GOP side appeal to sanity instead of qualifying the statements with crap the Tea Partiers use against the saner people on the Rep. party (since they all hate McCain)?
Geez.
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