Pamela Geller Commenter on President Obama: ‘Kill Him’

Anti-Muslim hate group leader’s commenters talk openly about assassinating the President
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There doesn’t seem to be any limit to how repulsive the comments on Pamela Geller’s blog can get. This ugly racism-drenched rant calls for the assassination of the President:

Goes to prove the psychopathological hesperophobics, product of fourteen-hundred years of the manifestation of evil that calls itself both “submission” and a “religion,” are not gunna provide fierce competition for the sub-Saharan Africans (mean-IQ: 67) in the ‘If Brains Were Dynamite Would Yours Even Blow Off Your Bloody Kufiya On A windy Day? Stakes!’

Unless it was Missus Billy-Bubbah Blythe (“Cli’ton”) - no-one - not even Plugs, the one-time most dangerous dullard in the senate, who at least - best I can tell - doesn’t loath us all - could be less competent that the mobbed-up marijuana-mumbling murtadd-Muslim modified Marxist mother’s milquetoast presently pretending to what his perilously-pernicious predatory pack passes off as the “presidency.”

Kill him and kill any chance to - this century or so, anyway - inflict any further serious harm upon America.

Posted by: Brian_R_Allen | Sunday, March 18, 2012 at 07:39 AM

Needless to say, comments like these are not removed or even challenged by Geller (or anyone else there).

[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com…]

A screenshot:

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UPDATE at 3/18/12 7:00:59 pm

Another commenter says he would “rejoice” if the President were assassinated by Al Qaeda:

I feel no sympathy for General P. or the African impostor in the White House. I would rejoice if it were the usurper. The charade of him being a legal president, makes me sick. I don’t feel sympathy for this lie known as Obama, or those who are complicit in the lie, General P. We’d be much better of without the lie in the White House. General P. is part of the cabal who would allow twenty Navy Seals onto a helicopter after they were outed, and then allow their murder. I feel for those that are victims of this horrible lie that’s being committed on America.

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1 Gus  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:52:01pm

Check the name on that comment. I think you want the name bellow and not "zebronolia."

2 Gus  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:53:19pm

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Goes to prove the psychopathological hesperophobics, product of fourteen-hundred years of the manifestation of evil that calls itself both "submission" and a "religion," are not gunna provide fierce competition for the sub-Saharan Africans (mean-IQ: 67) in the 'If Brains Were Dynamite Would Yours Even Blow Off Your Bloody Kufiya On A windy Day? Stakes!' Unless it was Missus Billy-Bubbah Blythe ("Cli'ton") - no-one - not even Plugs, the one-time most dangerous dullard in the senate, who at least - best I can tell - doesn't loath us all - could be less competent that the mobbed-up marijuana-mumbling murtadd-Muslim modified Marxist mother's milquetoast presently pretending to what his perilously-pernicious predatory pack passes off as the "presidency." Kill him and kill any chance to - this century or so, anyway - inflict any further serious harm upon America.

Toggle Commented yesterday on The bin Laden plot to assassinate President Obama at Atlas Shrugs

Make note of the Breitbart avatar/profile image.

3 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:54:44pm

re: #1 Gus

Check the name on that comment. I think you want the name bellow and not "zebronolia."

Thanks Gus - fixed.

4 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:55:05pm

Yep, it's not zebronolia.

Anyway, here's the archived version: [Link: www.webcitation.org...]

5 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 5:55:24pm

Hateful Harpy's followers are hateful. Pam needs a nice Secret Service visit.

6 Gus  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:01:14pm
7 jaunte  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:10:52pm

Another wearer of the Breitbart icon:
[Link: twitter.com...]

8 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:40:51pm

This is getting promoted to the front page.

9 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:42:02pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

This is getting promoted to the front page.

Deservedly so.

10 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:44:17pm

Brian and the Secret Service should... take a meeting.

11 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:44:51pm

re: #9 Kronocide

Deservedly so.

Quite Concur. Jimmah's Claymore strikes true!

12 erik_t  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:47:58pm

I'd joke about some damned librul plant posting that, but this is too foul for that joke to be applicable.

13 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:49:27pm
are not gunna provide fierce competition for the sub-Saharan Africans (mean-IQ: 67)

Oh that's classy.

14 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:51:06pm

What scares me is that comments like this are becoming more and more common with each passing month. Worse than that, they're getting more brazen, dropping the various pretenses ("pray for him") and moving onto calling for his death. It scares me because I know that some of these loons, post-November, may decide that letting Obama serve a second term really would be the "end" of the US and think only action will "save" America.

15 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:51:28pm

re: #13 Obdicut

This guy seems like a major-league asshole.

16 jaunte  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:51:38pm
psychopathological hesperophobics

Must be a John Derbyshire reader.

17 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:52:15pm

Wow, this guy posts a lot of crap.

[Link: profile.typepad.com...]

Including calling for nukes flying at Afghanistan.

18 I Am Kreniigh!  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:52:39pm

All words that begin with the letter M are non-contradictory with each other. Why, in addition to being a milquetoast-Marxist-Muslim-mobster, the President is also a Merovingian Middle-Eastern Monocotyledon!

meh.

19 BongCrodny  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:54:44pm

re: #2 Gus

profile.typepad.com...]>

mobbed-up marijuana-mumbling murtadd-Muslim modified Marxist mother's milquetoast

This guy is so in love with himself it's not funny.

20 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:55:19pm

re: #13 Obdicut

Out in Sub-Saharan Africa guys are cobbling together lawnmower parts, drainipes, bicycle chains, and charcoal to make working irrigation systems.

[Link: www.popularmechanics.com...]

21 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:55:54pm

re: #17 Obdicut

Because it's not like Afghanistan was a mangled wreck already.

If we truly wanted to win Afghanistan earlier, we

a) Would have had a much, much larger occupation force
b) Had a more de-centralized government set up (Like Switzerland)
c) Would have raised taxes to pay for it
d) Would have been willing to stay there as long as we did in Germany and Japan.

Afghanistan was near destroyed by the Soviets, and to rebuild would take decades. Infrastructure, supplying education, everything.

22 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:56:17pm

re: #20 Obdicut

McGuyver would be proud.

23 Lidane  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:57:52pm

re: #14 Targetpractice

What scares me is that comments like this are becoming more and more common with each passing month.

Just wait until November 7th. Should Barack Obama win a second term, we'll see an uptick in this sort of language, no question.

24 jaunte  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:57:59pm

re: #21 ProGunLiberal

c) Would have raised taxes to pay for it

Now that's just crazy talk.

25 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 6:59:19pm

That's not the only wish for his death in the thread.

The first post says:

I feel no sympathy for General P. or the African impostor in the White House. I would rejoice if it were the usurper. The charade of him being a legal president, makes me sick. I don't feel sympathy for this lie known as Obama, or those who are complicit in the lie, General P. We'd be much better of without the lie in the White House. General P. is part of the cabal who would allow twenty Navy Seals onto a helicopter after they were outed, and then allow their murder. I feel for those that are victims of this horrible lie that's being committed on America.

26 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:02:53pm

Here's a bunch of African women who started a solar engineering project. It's all socialist and shit too.

27 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:04:56pm

re: #14 Targetpractice

What scares me is that comments like this are becoming more and more common with each passing month. Worse than that, they're getting more brazen, dropping the various pretenses ("pray for him") and moving onto calling for his death. It scares me because I know that some of these loons, post-November, may decide that letting Obama serve a second term really would be the "end" of the US and think only action will "save" America.

That's been my worry for a while. Honestly, I'm surprised that there hasn't yet been at least one major incident like Oklahoma City.

Let's hope their skills at violence are as poor as their grammar and spelling skills.

28 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:05:38pm

re: #16 jaunte

Must be a John Derbyshire reader.

Maybe, though he's clearly a worse writer than Derbyshire and is far more violent in his thoughts.

29 aagcobb  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:05:39pm

re: #14 Targetpractice

What scares me is that comments like this are becoming more and more common with each passing month. Worse than that, they're getting more brazen, dropping the various pretenses ("pray for him") and moving onto calling for his death. It scares me because I know that some of these loons, post-November, may decide that letting Obama serve a second term really would be the "end" of the US and think only action will "save" America.

Most of them are probably internet armchair warriors, but it only takes one.

30 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:05:41pm

re: #27 Romantic Heretic

The nailbomb at the MLK parade would have killed a ton of people if they hadn't spotted it.

31 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:06:02pm

re: #26 Obdicut

Here's a bunch of African women who started a solar engineering project. It's all socialist and shit too.

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OMG WTF HOW MANY OF MY TAX DOALLERS PAYED FOR THESE ILLEGALS TO GET THEY'RE FLAT SCREAN TV'S!!!!

edit: misspelled a word

32 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:08:19pm

re: #25 Obdicut

That's not the only wish for his death in the thread.

The first post says:

You know, as much as I'd love for some of these creeps openly advocating/hoping for President Obama, General Petraeus, and other government officials to be assassinated to get a visit from their Friendly Neighborhood Secret Service Agent, it'd probably wouldn't phase some of these shitheads.

In fact, I'll wager they'll see it as a badge of honor and a validation of their worldview that the Sekrit Mooslim Usurper sends his jackbooted thugs to silence Real 'Merkins and that he must be stopped at all costs.

Bad craziness, indeed.

33 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:09:22pm

re: #32 talon_262

Yeah, if they think Petraeus is 'in on the lie' they're probably not reachable.

34 BongCrodny  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:10:35pm

re: #28 Dark_Falcon

Maybe, though he's clearly a worse writer than Derbyshire and is far more violent in his thoughts.

I've been reading some of his other comments. To be honest, I didn't find a whole lot of violent thoughts there -- but my lord, there is a whole shitload of bugfuck craziness.

35 aagcobb  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:10:44pm

Another game going down to the wire between Xavier and Lehigh. There have been a lot of close games, but I don't think I've seen a single buzzer beating, game winning shot.

36 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:11:08pm

re: #33 Obdicut

Yeah, if they think Petraeus is 'in on the lie' they're probably not reachable.

They want to think themselves in possession of a truth the 'sheeple' are too stupid to realize. They discard all evidence to the contrary.

37 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:11:36pm

re: #33 Obdicut

Yeah, if they think Petraeus is 'in on the lie' they're probably not reachable.

They're probably certifiable.

38 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:11:55pm

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

They want to think themselves in possession of a truth the 'sheeple' are too stupid to realize. They discard all evidence to the contrary.

Short definition of "conspiracy theorist."

39 jaunte  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:14:27pm

Obama Introduces Bullying Documentary on Cartoon Network

“Bullying is not a rite of passage or harmless part of growing up,” Obama said. “It’s wrong. Its destructive and we can all prevent it.”
...
“Everyone has to take action against bullying,” he said. “Everyone has an obligation to make our schools and our communities safer for all our kids.”

Cue calls for more bullying from right wing bloggers.

40 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:16:28pm

re: #39 jaunte

Obama Introduces Bullying Documentary on Cartoon Network

Cue calls for more bullying from right wing bloggers.

I was bullied as a kid and it didn't effect me none! That's why we got so many problems in the world, kids don't know how to handle bullies!

41 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:17:22pm

re: #27 Romantic Heretic

I'm afraid that after Obama's re-election, we will see another OKC attack, or another Oslo-like massacre. They are just waiting to see if their Great White Christian Hope (who ever it may be) will throw that n****r r*****d out of office and bring White Christian Power back to their hands or if those Marxist Democrats will ignore the will of the White Christian Americans and rig the elections for that n****r r*****d. If the latter happens, then you will see the results of years of right-wing vitriol in the form of dead Americans. And the Right's leaders will throw their hands in the air and feign surprise at the violence they helped stoke with their hate speech.

If a OKC/Oslo doesn't happen during Obama's 2nd term and he lives out his term, then I will be pleasantly surprised.

42 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:17:30pm

re: #39 jaunte

Obama Introduces Bullying Documentary on Cartoon Network

Cue calls for more bullying from right wing bloggers.

I think a lot of right wing bloggers were bullies in school. Either that or they were bullied themselves, and forever warped by the experience.

Andrew Breitbart was a classic example.

43 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:18:40pm

re: #39 jaunte

Obama Introduces Bullying Documentary on Cartoon Network

Cue calls for more bullying from right wing bloggers.

The more likely meme is as follows:

Obama is trying to turn our kids into hugging liberal pansies!!1 He doesn't want us to be tough and learn how to fight so that the Mooslums will have an easier time conquering us!!1 THIS IS PROOF OBAMA IS AN ISLAMIC PLANT SENT TO BRING SHARIA TO AMERICA!!!11

44 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:21:23pm

re: #41 Give the Mule what he wants

I'm afraid that after Obama's re-election, we will see another OKC attack, or another Oslo-like massacre. They are just waiting to see if their Great White Christian Hope (who ever it may be) will throw that n***r r***d out of office and bring White Christian Power back to their hands or if those Marxist Democrats will ignore the will of the White Christian Americans and rig the elections for that n***r r***d. If the latter happens, then you will see the results of years of right-wing vitriol in the form of dead Americans. And the Right's leaders will throw their hands in the air and feign surprise at the violence they helped stoke with their hate speech.

If a OKC/Oslo doesn't happen during Obama's 2nd term and he lives out his term, then I will be pleasantly surprised.

fear the hate/Hate the fear

45 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:24:57pm
....presently pretending to what his perilously-pernicious predatory pack passes...

Gee, Pam, I think it's time to get rid of this grisly gang who work your wicked will------ before the Secret Service throws you in the same cell with them. (An instructive example of literate alliteration)

46 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:27:09pm

re: #39 jaunte

Obama Introduces Bullying Documentary on Cartoon Network

Cue calls for more bullying from right wing bloggers.

As a bullying victim all through elementary and into high school, I can say nothing but that this needs support from both sides.

47 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:28:25pm

re: #45 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

Gee, Pam, I think it's time to get rid of this grisly gang who work your wicked will before the Secret Service throws you in the same cell with them. (An instructive example of literate alliteration)

Pam won't understand such high language. She is too mean-spirited and hateful to really understand the words of someone like Winston Churchill. Even though she's a Jew, in many ways she'd likely find more in Hitler's speeches to like*.

*: If that last counts as a Godwin's Law violation, then it does. I stand by my statement.

48 The Yankee  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:28:57pm

". is part of the cabal who would allow twenty Navy Seals onto a helicopter after they were outed"

What is he talking about? does any one know? I recall a Helicopter crashing with Navy Seals but I didn't know about the conspiracy he seems to be hinting at?

49 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:29:56pm

re: #46 A Little Bit Shady

As a bullying victim all through elementary and into high school, I can say nothing but that this needs support from both sides.

Entirely Concur. It will be instructive as to who on the right attacks Obama for this, and who defends him, even if mildly.

50 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:31:05pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

Far too many people think bullying 'builds character'.

51 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:33:40pm

re: #48 The Yankee

". is part of the cabal who would allow twenty Navy Seals onto a helicopter after they were outed"

What is he talking about? does any one know? I recall a Helicopter crashing with Navy Seals but I didn't know about the conspiracy he seems to be hinting at?

They're talking about a Chinook with members of SEAL Team 6 on it (no one from the OBL raid was on it, IIRC) that got shot down with a RPG in Afghanistan shortly after the OBL raid.

52 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:34:13pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

Entirely Concur. It will be instructive as to who on the right attacks Obama for this, and who defends him, even if mildly.

Easy: all the homophobic evangelical nutters who think anti-bullying initiatives violate their precious religious freedom.

53 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:35:40pm

It's like Republicans are trying to create a one-party state.

54 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:36:43pm

re: #48 The Yankee

". is part of the cabal who would allow twenty Navy Seals onto a helicopter after they were outed"

What is he talking about? does any one know? I recall a Helicopter crashing with Navy Seals but I didn't know about the conspiracy he seems to be hinting at?

There is a conspiracy theory that holds that SEALs who died were deliberately killed to prevent them from leaking the "fact" that they had not really killed bin Laden. There are number of variants to this theory, but all of them begin and end with ODS.

Reality is somewhat more straightforward: The SEALs received messages from a Ranger detachment requesting support. Their SPEC-OPS modified Chinooks were not available, but there was a National Guard Chinook right to hand, so the SEAL team loaded into that helo and went riding to the sound of the guns. Sadly, the valley where the Army Rangers were fighting the Taliban had only one good entry point for helicopters, giving the Taliban's RPG gunners a better shot. One such gunner got in a lucky hit and destroyed the Chinook the SEALs were riding in. Far more Murphy's Law than any conspiracy, but conspiracy nuts don't believe in Mr. Murphy, except to think him a part of the conspiracy.

55 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:36:48pm

re: #53 ProGunLiberal

The restrictions can be countered with get out the vote efforts. The Democrats have got to be on their game.

56 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:38:30pm

re: #53 ProGunLiberal

On another note, did you come across this info too? Looks like major shit is about to go down in Syria:

57 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:38:48pm

re: #50 Obdicut

Far too many people think bullying 'builds character'.

Far too many people are on the giving side of the equation, not the receiving.

All it takes to bring out visceral rejection of another is an obvious difference. Anybody who denies our animal heritage just has to observe the abuse weaker/different/weird kids get.

58 aagcobb  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:39:11pm

Purdue is trying to hold on for one more big upset this weekend against Kansas. Love the upsets!

59 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:40:53pm

re: #56 Interesting Times

On another note, did you come across this info too? Looks like major shit is about to go down in Syria:

Image: SpockFascinating.jpg

60 The Yankee  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:42:54pm

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

There is a conspiracy theory that holds that SEALs who died were deliberately killed to prevent them from leaking the "fact" that they had not really killed bin Laden. There are number of variants to this theory, but all of them begin and end with ODS.

Reality is somewhat more straightforward: The SEALs received messages from a Ranger detachment requesting support. Their SPEC-OPS modified Chinooks were not available, but there was a National Guard Chinook right to hand, so the SEAL team loaded into that helo and went riding to the sound of the guns. Sadly, the valley where the Army Rangers were fighting the Taliban had only one good entry point for helicopters, giving the Taliban's RPG gunners a better shot. One such gunner got in a lucky hit and destroyed the Chinook the SEALs were riding in. Far more Murphy's Law than any conspiracy, but conspiracy nuts don't believe in Mr. Murphy, except to think him a part of the conspiracy.

So my next question is, what ever happened to Shame... Has our country ran out, can we get an import from another country?

61 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:44:58pm

re: #56 Interesting Times

On another note, did you come across this info too? Looks like major shit is about to go down in Syria:

Correction: major shit is going down:

62 sattv4u2  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:46:00pm

re: #58 aagcobb

Purdue is trying to hold on for one more big upset this weekend against Kansas. Love the upsets!

They'll (Purdue) win IF they can shoot 80% + from the line from now till the end of the game

63 The Yankee  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:47:19pm

re: #56 Interesting Times

That last war I recall Saudi Arabia being involved in was with Israel and they lost it pretty bad and it was more then 30 years ago, without googling. Not very impressive.

64 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:47:54pm

re: #61 Interesting Times

Correction: major shit is going down:

We need verification.

65 aagcobb  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:48:14pm

re: #63 The Yankee

That last war I recall Saudi Arabia being involved in was with Israel and they lost it pretty bad and it was more then 30 years ago, without googling. Not very impressive.

But they have much better equipment now that we have sold to them.

66 The Yankee  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:50:05pm

re: #65 aagcobb

To a certain degree I would take vets over equipement. And I think Syria has more vets even thought Saudi Arabia was some how involved in the first Gulf War.

67 aagcobb  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:51:58pm

re: #66 The Yankee

To a certain degree I would take vets over equipement. And I think Syria has more vets even thought Saudi Arabia was some how involved in the first Gulf War.

Considering that was 20 years ago, I don't think the Saudis would have many of those vets left.

68 Digital Display  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:52:10pm

re: #62 sattv4u2

They'll (Purdue) win IF they can shoot 80% + from the line from now till the end of the game

I'm hoping for 2 Indiana teams in the sweet 16..

69 aagcobb  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:52:46pm

re: #68 HoosierHoops

I'm hoping for 2 Indiana teams in the sweet 16..

UK will be looking for revenge in Catlanta!

70 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:54:38pm

re: #60 The Yankee

So my next question is, what ever happened to Shame... Has our country ran out, can we get an import from another country?

Oh, there's plenty of shame to hand out, if you're a slut that is.

/meant as hostile shot at Rush and crew, not at women.

71 McSpiff  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 7:59:28pm

re: #63 The Yankee

That last war I recall Saudi Arabia being involved in was with Israel and they lost it pretty bad and it was more then 30 years ago, without googling. Not very impressive.

They've had limited numbers of boots on the ground in Yemen so there are a few combat vetrans in the KSA Army, but eh... not really an impressive force other than the tech they've bought from the West.

72 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:00:18pm

re: #57 A Little Bit Shady

I was bullied in second grade by a boy who lived on our block. In fifth grade, he punched me, and my dad had to call his folks. It was a hassle for my parents and the kid's parents were not helpful. We moved out of state and I think that saved me from a lot of further misery. The kid grew up to be a science teacher at the area junior high. I think he had turmoil from being gay. Childhood is the shit, man.

73 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:01:22pm

re: #71 McSpiff

They've had limited numbers of boots on the ground in Yemen so there are a few combat vetrans in the KSA Army, but eh... not really an impressive force other than the tech they've bought from the West.

And I'm not sure we'd want them send the Syrian rebels help. There's the risk of some of that gear being captured and ending up smuggled to Iran (possibly thence to China).

74 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:01:34pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

I think a lot of right wing bloggers were bullies in school. Either that or they were bullied themselves, and forever warped by the experience.

Andrew Breitbart was a classic example.

I was totally bullied in middle school from 5th through 8th grade. It was HELL.

Then in 9th grade our school was integrated and I made new friends! They did not make fun of me for having [deleted word] hair!

75 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:04:19pm

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

I always hated the Shithook and was really glad all the missions I ever had were in Huey's.

76 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:06:36pm

re: #72 prairiefire

I got bullied a lot as a kid. Parents switched me high schools to keep me out of fights. New high school had a bunch of asshole preppies who were too lazy to bully me but were still fuckers.

Then I got to college, and it was awesome, and I've never looked back. But since I'm comin' up on having a kid, I've been thinking about how the hell you can best teach a kid to deal with it. I really don't know. I fought back and that didn't really work too good, it just got me branded as a troublemaker too.

77 McSpiff  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:07:18pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

And I'm not sure we'd want them send the Syrian rebels help. There's the risk of some of that gear being captured and ending up smuggled to Iran (possibly thence to China).

I always just assume any equipment exported outside of NATO/ANZAC/Israel is going to get a thorough going over by Russian and Chinese specialists. I'm sure the DoD does as well.

78 aagcobb  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:11:08pm

Thrilling comeback by Kansas; there sure seems to be a lot of parity in college basketball now.

79 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:11:18pm

re: #76 Obdicut

I got bullied a lot as a kid. Parents switched me high schools to keep me out of fights. New high school had a bunch of asshole preppies who were too lazy to bully me but were still fuckers.

Then I got to college, and it was awesome, and I've never looked back. But since I'm comin' up on having a kid, I've been thinking about how the hell you can best teach a kid to deal with it. I really don't know. I fought back and that didn't really work too good, it just got me branded as a troublemaker too.

When I told my parents and teachers I was being bullied, they told me "Oh when they make fun of you JUST LAUGH ALONG WITH THEM!" In other words totally clueless.

About 10 years ago I heard "Dr. Laura" give that same advice to a caller whose kid was being bullied. I wanted to throw a shoe through the radio! But I couldn't because I was driving the car, I just changed the station.

80 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:14:56pm

re: #79 Learned Mother of Zion

Laugh along with them just would make you look like a friggin' idiot.

I thought things would get better when I got some weight and strength and was able to actually fight back, but it didn't-- they'd just jump me two at a time, instead. And bullies aren't cowards, either-- sure, some are, but some are getting their asses beat by their dads at home and are full of rage and hate and aren't gonna be scared off by some kid standing up to them when they take full punches from their dad every day.

I mean, I feel bad for them, seriously, one of the guys that was the worst to me got hospitalized by his own father, but it does make them hard to, y'know, reason with.

81 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:15:59pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

And I'm not sure we'd want them send the Syrian rebels help. There's the risk of some of that gear being captured and ending up smuggled to Iran (possibly thence to China).

Just send in a few hundred pallets of para dropped AK's, RPG's, shoulder SAM's & ammo from the C-5 fleet with appropriate escort. Giving the Rebels a pile of IED's based on Iranian designs would be appropriate karmically as well. Depending on the captured stockpile, most of it could be PRC (Norinco) manufactured to begin with ;)

82 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:16:59pm

re: #76 Obdicut

I got bullied a lot as a kid. Parents switched me high schools to keep me out of fights. New high school had a bunch of asshole preppies who were too lazy to bully me but were still fuckers.

Then I got to college, and it was awesome, and I've never looked back. But since I'm comin' up on having a kid, I've been thinking about how the hell you can best teach a kid to deal with it. I really don't know. I fought back and that didn't really work too good, it just got me branded as a troublemaker too.

Our school district has made a very concerted effort to educate the kids at the elementary level, all levels, really, but quite a bit of discussion about being a good citizen (or whatever the school mascot is) for the little kids.

83 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:17:04pm

re: #77 McSpiff

I always just assume any equipment exported outside of NATO/ANZAC/Israel is going to get a thorough going over by Russian and Chinese specialists. I'm sure the DoD does as well.

China maybe, but not Iran. And giving Iran a chance to reverse engineer any of our stuff is in most ways worse than China doing that, both because we are more likely to end up fighting Iran and because Iran is more likely to provide examples of whatever they succeed in reverse engineering to terrorists.

84 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:17:41pm

re: #80 Obdicut

Laugh along with them just would make you look like a friggin' idiot.

I thought things would get better when I got some weight and strength and was able to actually fight back, but it didn't-- they'd just jump me two at a time, instead. And bullies aren't cowards, either-- sure, some are, but some are getting their asses beat by their dads at home and are full of rage and hate and aren't gonna be scared off by some kid standing up to them when they take full punches from their dad every day.

I mean, I feel bad for them, seriously, one of the guys that was the worst to me got hospitalized by his own father, but it does make them hard to, y'know, reason with.

My mother thought giving me guitar lessons would make me popular and get me invited to parties. The first day I brought my guitar to school, one of the "mean girls" said "Oh let me see your guitar!" grabbed it out of my hands and popped a string!

I learned to keep spare strings in the case and even though I played at school assembles I didn't get invited to any parties.

85 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:18:22pm

re: #81 William Barnett-Lewis

Just send in a few hundred pallets of para dropped AK's, RPG's, shoulder SAM's & ammo from the C-5 fleet with appropriate escort. Giving the Rebels a pile of IED's based on Iranian designs would be appropriate karmically as well. Depending on the captured stockpile, most of it could be PRC (Norinco) manufactured to begin with ;)

Leave off the shoulder SAMs, no matter how needed. They're too dangerous in the hands of terrorists.

86 McSpiff  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:18:25pm

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

China maybe, but not Iran. And giving Iran a chance to reverse engineer any of our stuff is in most ways worse than China doing that, both because we are more likely to end up fighting Iran and because Iran is more likely to provide examples of whatever they succeed in reverse engineering to terrorists.

Yes agreed on that one. Giving Iran any access to western armour would be an absolute disaster.

87 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:18:44pm

Then I went to a magnet high school and the "mean girls" went to the local high school, so the bullying stopped.

88 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:20:49pm

re: #84 Learned Mother of Zion

Thing is, I didn't want to be popular with those assholes. Their idea of a good time was blowing up frogs with cherrybombs. I just wanted them to leave me the fuck alone.

Luckily, I always got along with the girls, which wound up serving me well later on.

89 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:21:31pm

re: #80 Obdicut

I would say my major life lesson learned was sensing when to flee.

90 erik_t  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:22:11pm

re: #77 McSpiff

I always just assume any equipment exported outside of NATO/ANZAC/Israel is going to get a thorough going over by Russian and Chinese specialists. I'm sure the DoD does as well.

It's not entirely clear that the Israelis don't let things slip from time to time. The Lavi-to-J-10 connection is popularly suspected, although proving anything of that nature is obviously challenging.

91 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:22:45pm

re: #88 Obdicut

Thing is, I didn't want to be popular with those assholes. Their idea of a good time was blowing up frogs with cherrybombs. I just wanted them to leave me the fuck alone.

Luckily, I always got along with the girls, which wound up serving me well later on.

I wanted to be popular among my own ethnic group (called by a derogatory term which is offensive to persons of Japanese descent) but in high school most of my friends were...African American.

92 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:27:57pm

re: #91 Learned Mother of Zion

Sounds like a Saturday Afternoon Special waiting to happen.

93 Kragar  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:28:01pm

I am shocked...SHOCKED... at how completely non-shocking it is to hear about crap like this at Pam's hovel.

94 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:28:21pm
95 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:29:01pm

re: #92 Obdicut

Sounds like a Saturday Afternoon Special waiting to happen.

My high school experience was kind of like the "Glee" show, if they had a "Glee" show in 1967. :)

96 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:29:48pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

Leave off the shoulder SAMs, no matter how needed. They're too dangerous in the hands of terrorists.

You have to make the pilots scared. Until you do so, the insurgency is so much dead meat walking. I understand what you're saying but what broke the Russian's back in Afganistan was when the Hind's were no longer safe. Keep the numbers low perhaps, or put a remote destruct device (sat radio?) in them if you must, but they need a way to stop air strikes.

97 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:29:50pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

Most women I know who were date raped didn't report it, because it was he said/she said and they felt they wouldn't be believed. Partially because we've got an atmosphere in this country where assholes call women who use contraceptives 'sluts'.

98 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:31:54pm

re: #96 William Barnett-Lewis

You have to make the pilots scared. Until you do so, the insurgency is so much dead meat walking. I understand what you're saying but what broke the Russian's back in Afganistan was when the Hind's were no longer safe. Keep the numbers low perhaps, or put a remote destruct device (sat radio?) in them if you must, but they need a way to stop air strikes.

Frankly, I don't want the insurgency in Syria to succeed. Too much influence in there by the Muslim Brotherhood, and if they do win they'll likely start a round of religious persecution against the Christians and Alawites.

99 Kragar  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:33:05pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

Frankly, I don't want the insurgency in Syria to succeed. Too much influence in there by the Muslim Brotherhood, and if they do win they'll likely start a round of religious persecution against the Christians and Alawites.

Yeah, better if they just knew their place and shut up.
/

100 erik_t  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:33:06pm

re: #96 William Barnett-Lewis

You have to make the pilots scared. Until you do so, the insurgency is so much dead meat walking. I understand what you're saying but what broke the Russian's back in Afganistan was when the Hind's were no longer safe. Keep the numbers low perhaps, or put a remote destruct device (sat radio?) in them if you must, but they need a way to stop air strikes.

Unfortunately, no such magical integrated remote-destruct exists. It'd be a brand-new run of electronics (at extraordinary unit and overall cost) to incorporate anything even into the main control circuitry, and even that wouldn't keep highly sensitive (eg) seeker technology from being released.

Best to buy some old SA-7 from the Russians and pass them on second-hand.

101 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:33:33pm

I told my daughters that I would totally approve if they dated a black guy (as long as he was a Jewish black guy) so what did they do? They all married white, blond, blue-eyed anglo-saxon viking cossack Jewish guys.

102 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:34:40pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

Let's wait to judge the Muslim Brotherhood for a bit. Right now, they are locking swords in Egypt with the Salafis. I don't like the MB either, but they are better than the alternative in Egypt.

103 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:35:46pm

re: #100 erik_t

Unfortunately, no such magical integrated remote-destruct exists. It'd be a brand-new run of electronics (at extraordinary unit and overall cost) to incorporate anything even into the main control circuitry, and even that wouldn't keep highly sensitive (eg) seeker technology from being released.

Best to buy some old SA-7 from the Russians and pass them on second-hand.

More what I was thinking originally (AK's, RPG's SA-7's, etc). DF had a reasonable argument in the first post, though I think we can make a better middle east for everyone by getting rid of the biggest supporter of Iran.

104 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:36:00pm

re: #77 McSpiff

If I'm not mistaken, Israel has passed on some tech to China.

105 erik_t  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:40:01pm

re: #104 ProGunLiberal

If I'm not mistaken, Israel has passed on some tech to China.

I'm not aware of anything (a) serious and (b) absolutely certain, but it does appear plausible if not likely (again, #90).

106 Mocking Jay  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:40:48pm

Well, I suppose someone has to be the voice of tyrants and dictators...

107 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:41:40pm

re: #106 Meh.

Well, I suppose someone has to be the voice of tyrants and dictators...

To whom are you referring?

108 Mocking Jay  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:43:47pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

To whom are you referring?

You, Dark Falcon.

I am referring to you.

109 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:46:19pm

re: #108 Meh.

You, Dark Falcon.

I am referring to you.

And you may take your mischaracterization and bury it.

110 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:47:28pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

Frankly, I don't want the insurgency in Syria to succeed. Too much influence in there by the Muslim Brotherhood, and if they do win they'll likely start a round of religious persecution against the Christians and Alawites.

How utterly patronizing. You're basically saying that the Syrians are by and large too primitive and savage to be allowed self determination, that they need, ney deserve to be ruled over by a dictatorship that brutally murders and oppresses them.

111 Mocking Jay  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:47:30pm

Ooo, a downding. My feelings, they are hurt.

On the other hand, I'm not siding with a man mudering people in the streets, so I'll sleep well tonight.

112 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:48:39pm

re: #2 Gus

Brian_R_Allen
Recent Activity

Make note of the Breitbart avatar/profile image.

'hesperophobics'

New word on me.

113 Big Joe  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:49:39pm

re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist

'hesperophobics'

New word on me.

If it's a new word on you just think how stupid ole me feels.

114 jaunte  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:50:39pm

re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist

I had to look it up earlier. Apparently it's a Robert Conquest coinage, brought back by John Derbyshire.

115 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:51:44pm

re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist

'hesperophobics'

New word on me.

Invented by this dude. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

He's a decent scholar, but due to his ideological leanings, he's used by lesser men to prop up their egos.

116 sagehen  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:51:50pm

re: #101 Learned Mother of Zion

I told my daughters that I would totally approve if they dated a black guy (as long as he was a Jewish black guy) so what did they do? They all married white, blond, blue-eyed anglo-saxon viking cossack Jewish guys.

When my parents found out I was dating a black guy (American-born, West Indian ancestry), they said "we're telling grandma he's Ethiopian, and if you know what's good for you you'll back that story."

117 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:52:16pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

And Assad will be better for the citizens of Syria how?

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:53:14pm

re: #20 Obdicut

Out in Sub-Saharan Africa guys are cobbling together lawnmower parts, drainipes, bicycle chains, and charcoal to make working irrigation systems.

[Link: www.popularmechanics.com...]

But if they were smart, they'd have been born in first-world countries, and could just order that shit off the Internet.

//

119 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:53:25pm

re: #101 Learned Mother of Zion

I told my daughters that I would totally approve if they dated a black guy (as long as he was a Jewish black guy) so what did they do? They all married white, blond, blue-eyed anglo-saxon viking cossack Jewish guys.

Next you need to tell them they need to not provide you with gorgeous overachieving grandchildren.

Who call you every week.

120 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:53:40pm

re: #23 Lidane

Just wait until November 7th. Should Barack Obama win a second term, we'll see an uptick in this sort of language, no question.

It's gonna be bad.

121 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:53:59pm

re: #116 sagehen

My parents just constantly worried about me being gay. It was kind of funny, because I had a lot of girlfriends, I just didn't want to introduce them to my parents-- sometimes for their sake, sometimes for the sake of my parents.

122 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:54:58pm

re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist

'hesperophobics'

New word on me.

Sounds like a well designed dog whistle to me.

123 budda10000  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:55:44pm

If the Secret Service thinks anything of it they will be paying her a visit any days now. Making threats against the president is illegal and no protected speech by any means.

124 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:55:48pm

re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist

It's gonna be bad.

Honestly I think it's just cause for every liberal/leftist in the 49 states to apply for a CCW license. There will be violence; the only real question is how bad will their backlash be?

125 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:56:03pm

re: #117 Obdicut

To be fair Syria is an inverse version of Iraq.

Christians are (or were) a healthy sized minority in both states. However, in Syria, the Sunni are a majority without power being oppressed by group within the Minority Shia (Alawite) population.

Iraq was the opposite. In all honesty, it looks like a massive mess. Of course, my solution would be to create that state that Hussein envisioned before France punted him. Syria+Lebanon+Jordan

126 freetoken  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:56:08pm

An interesting read:

The evolution of death

[...]

Most of us would agree that King Tut and the other mummified ancient Egyptians are dead, and that you and I are alive. Somewhere in between these two states lies the moment of death. But where is that? [...]

127 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:56:40pm

re: #116 sagehen

When my parents found out I was dating a black guy (American-born, West Indian ancestry), they said "we're telling grandma he's Ethiopian, and if you know what's good for you you'll back that story."

Huh?

128 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:57:12pm

re: #124 William Barnett-Lewis

I'll consider getting a gun after I graduate. What sort of thing would be good?

Also, I might push my Liberal friends to do the same.

129 erik_t  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:57:48pm

re: #124 William Barnett-Lewis

Honestly I think it's just cause for every liberal/leftist in the 49 states to apply for a CCW license. There will be violence; the only real question is how bad will their backlash be?

This sort of alarmist paranoia is just as unbecoming on the left as on the right.

130 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:57:58pm

re: #124 William Barnett-Lewis

I think they like complaining too much to actually do anything, for the most part.

The only bit I'm actually worried about is vigilance committee type stuff at the polling stations, since the RNC explicitly was seeking official permission to do it.

131 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:58:27pm

re: #63 The Yankee

That last war I recall Saudi Arabia being involved in was with Israel and they lost it pretty bad and it was more then 30 years ago, without googling. Not very impressive.

They didn't declare, IIRC, just sent volunteers.

132 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:58:48pm

re: #124 William Barnett-Lewis

Honestly I think it's just cause for every liberal/leftist in the 49 states to apply for a CCW license. There will be violence; the only real question is how bad will their backlash be?

What is a Counter-ClockWise license? The license to turn left?

133 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 8:59:33pm

re: #110 goddamnedfrank

How utterly patronizing. You're basically saying that the Syrians are by and large too primitive and savage to be allowed self determination, that they need, ney deserve to be ruled over by a dictatorship that brutally murders and oppresses them.

That bolded part is indeed what I am saying. I am saying that if Sunni Arab Syrians are given the right of self-determination, what they will determine is to run off or kill anyone who isn't Sunni. It'll be worse than Egypt, given how bloody this rebellion has already become. Where you're wrong is saying I think they deserve to be massacred, which is not true (I don't think anyone deserves that). But I do not think people with such a violent and chauvinistic should have self-determination. Such a person needs to be controlled, to prevent him from hurting others.

134 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:00:36pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

But controlled by Assad? What lessons are they going to learn under him?

Use common sense, dude.

135 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:00:39pm

re: #132 A Little Bit Shady

What is a Counter-ClockWise license? The license to turn left?

CCW = Concealed Carry Weapon

136 erik_t  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:00:40pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

But I do not think people with such a violent and chauvinistic should have self-determination. Such a person needs to be controlled, to prevent him from hurting others.

You brush, it is so extraordinarily broad.

137 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:01:19pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

Should Americans have had the right of self-determination back when they were enslaving blacks?

138 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:01:20pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

That bolded part is indeed what I am saying. I am saying that if Sunni Arab Syrians are given the right of self-determination, what they will determine is to run off or kill anyone who isn't Sunni. It'll be worse than Egypt, given how bloody this rebellion has already become. Where you're wrong is saying I think they deserve to be massacred, which is not true (I don't think anyone deserves that). But I do not think people with such a violent and chauvinistic should have self-determination. Such a person needs to be controlled, to prevent him from hurting others.

Fear rules you doesn't it?

139 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:01:31pm

Does it suck that Alawites and Christians may very well suffer in the aftermath of Assad's downfall, yes it does. Is this sufficient reason to view the vast majority of Syrians as pawns, to have their lives sacrificed by a murderous regime willing to kill countless civilians to hold onto power?

In order to say yes one must operate under the assumption that the lives of a Christian, or that of a Christmas celebrating Alawite inherently outweighs any number of Arab Muslim lives. I am not prepared to do this. One must also assume that the Alawite Assad regime won't simply sacrifice the Christian minority in the future to appease the masses. Since he's taken an ideological hard line against syncretism and demonstrated a capacity for wholesale slaughter of civilians, how someone can delude themselves into believing this is a mystery to me.

140 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:02:25pm

re: #101 Learned Mother of Zion

I told my daughters that I would totally approve if they dated a black guy (as long as he was a Jewish black guy) so what did they do? They all married white, blond, blue-eyed anglo-saxon viking cossack Jewish guys.

Nu, it happens.

(Weird moment: years ago I posted on some e-mail list with my old college friends that I was almost moved out of the old house, just a few boxes and a chair with a cute blond guy (that would be the husband) sitting in it.

Friend I haven't seen in years responds: "OMG, your squeeze is BLOND?" THIS is what impresses her? Seriously?)

141 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:02:41pm

re: #134 Obdicut

But controlled by Assad? What lessons are they going to learn under him?

Use common sense, dude.

I am. I don't favor taking any action to intervene in Syria. Both sides are vile and will be hostile to us. Best not to get involved.

142 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:02:49pm

re: #139 goddamnedfrank

All this is an argument for is a major occupation of Syria to act as a buffer. Something like what happened with Bosnia.

143 erik_t  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:03:32pm

re: #142 ProGunLiberal

All this is an argument for is a major occupation of Syria to act as a buffer. Something like what happened with Bosnia.

For shit's sakes, we've been over this. It's so easy to state this in a sentence or two. It's such a profoundly bad idea that a book could be written.

144 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:03:44pm

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

I am. I don't favor taking any action to intervene in Syria. Both sides are vile and will be hostile to us. Best not to get involved.

But that's not what you said. You didn't stop there. You said it was better for them to be 'controlled', and that they shouldn't have self-determination.

145 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:04:26pm

re: #140 SanFranciscoZionist

Nu, it happens.

(Weird moment: years ago I posted on some e-mail list with my old college friends that I was almost moved out of the old house, just a few boxes and a chair with a cute blond guy (that would be the husband) sitting in it.

Friend I haven't seen in years responds: "OMG, your squeeze is BLOND?" THIS is what impresses her? Seriously?)

The best thing a mother can do is tell her children to marry whomever makes her/him the happiest. Religion, ethnicity, hair/skin pigmentation mean nothing.

146 sagehen  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:04:28pm

re: #127 A Little Bit Shady

Huh?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

147 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:05:02pm

re: #143 erik_t

Exactly. However, it would also be the only thing that could stop some truly horrific things.

Which means we are left a bunch of shit-tastic options.

148 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:05:04pm

re: #144 Obdicut

But that's not what you said. You didn't stop there. You said it was better for them to be 'controlled', and that they shouldn't have self-determination.

That kind of attitude serves as superb propaganda fodder for anti-American extremists, and encourages anti-Americanism where it otherwise might not exist.

149 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:05:05pm

re: #124 William Barnett-Lewis

Honestly I think it's just cause for every liberal/leftist in the 49 states to apply for a CCW license. There will be violence; the only real question is how bad will their backlash be?

I live in Contra Costa County. I don't think I really need to carry concealed, no matter what.

150 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:05:12pm

re: #138 A Little Bit Shady

Fear rules you doesn't it?

Yes, very much so. I worry morning, noon, and night about a great many things. For every minute I am happy, I am afraid for at least seven minutes.

151 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:06:19pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

I'd say you should smoke a bunch of weed but then you'd probably just get paranoid. Sucks, man. But you don't have to let it affect your actual opinions.

152 Mocking Jay  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:06:21pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

That bolded part is indeed what I am saying. I am saying that if Sunni Arab Syrians are given the right of self-determination, what they will determine is to run off or kill anyone who isn't Sunni. It'll be worse than Egypt, given how bloody this rebellion has already become. Where you're wrong is saying I think they deserve to be massacred, which is not true (I don't think anyone deserves that). But I do not think people with such a violent and chauvinistic should have self-determination. Such a person needs to be controlled, to prevent him from hurting others.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Oh, Dark, I'm so sorry I mischaracterized you before!

153 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:06:29pm

re: #147 ProGunLiberal

Exactly. However, it would also be the only thing that could stop some truly horrific things.

Which means we are left a bunch of shit-tastic options.

Major problem: America has been doing occupations for 10 years now.

We're tired of it. We can win the war pretty quickly, it's the occupation that's killing us.

154 erik_t  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:06:51pm

re: #147 ProGunLiberal

I would have hoped that, in the early 2010s, we'd have learned that 'other options are also bad' is not a sufficiently strong argument to invade a sovereign nation and attempt to nation-build.

155 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:07:33pm

re: #146 sagehen

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

As I've said before, the adherence to religious beliefs and traditions confuses me.

156 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:07:40pm

re: #144 Obdicut

But that's not what you said. You didn't stop there. You said it was better for them to be 'controlled', and that they shouldn't have self-determination.

And I meant it. I'd like them to be under the rule of someone not accountable to them, but who would not brutalize them and work to get them ready for self-government. But I cannot can't find a way to make that work.

157 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:08:12pm

re: #128 ProGunLiberal

I'll consider getting a gun after I graduate. What sort of thing would be good?

Also, I might push my Liberal friends to do the same.

Go here [Link: www.theliberalgunclub.com...] and enquire.

158 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:08:20pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

Yes, very much so. I worry morning, noon, and night about a great many things. For every minute I am happy, I am afraid for at least seven minutes.

That's a very difficult life.

159 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:08:26pm

re: #145 A Little Bit Shady

The best thing a mother can do is tell her children to marry whomever makes her/him the happiest. Religion, ethnicity, hair/skin pigmentation mean nothing.

I did tell them to try to find a mate who was not near sighted or suffered from allergies, just for the sake of their future children.

160 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:09:14pm

re: #129 erik_t

This sort of alarmist paranoia is just as unbecoming on the left as on the right.

We've had that sort of fun from the Posse Comitatus here in the past.

161 Mocking Jay  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:09:44pm

re: #159 prairiefire

I did tell them to try to find a mate who was not near sighted nor suffered from allergies, just for the sake of their future children.

I represent that remark!

162 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:10:02pm

re: #159 prairiefire

I did tell them to try to find a mate who was not near sighted nor suffered from allergies, just for the sake of their future children.

My mother is the only person in the family who's not nearsighted. I hope for her genes to prevail with my kids.

163 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:11:48pm

re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist

I live in Contra Costa County. I don't think I really need to carry concealed, no matter what.

Heh. No, I imagine not.

Still, out here in the boonies? It is, unfortunately, a slightly different world.

164 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:12:18pm

re: #160 William Barnett-Lewis

Katrina proved that Posse Comitatus needs some sort of extreme overhaul.

/Puts on Flame Retardant Suit.

re: #154 erik_t

Oh, I agree with what you are saying. Again Syria=Iraq. It's just, you need some sort of buffer between everybody, at least in theory.

re: #157 William Barnett-Lewis

Thanks

165 jaunte  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:12:40pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

Back in the early 90's, my wife was carrying a printer down the stairwell of her office parking garage, and was accosted by a flasher. She bashed him in the head with the printer, but didn't want to drop it. He got away. She reported it to the police, but when she described his Mickey Mouse underwear they laughed and said he was only a flasher. Turned out he was this guy:

Ronald Dale Dunlap
An insurance salesman with a long history of exposing himself to women, Dunlap, 34, assaulted at least six women working alone in small strip-center businesses in northwest Harris County from January to March 1993. He was on probation for three cases of indecent exposure at the time. He was caught after Harris County investigators, realizing Dunlap matched the description of the suspect, placed him under surveillance. Dunlap was sentenced to 75 years in prison on the Harris County cases. He also was charged with sexual assault in Stafford, and was suspected in cases in Victoria, Corsicana and Montgomery County.
[Link: www.chron.com...]

She was a witness at his trial and helped put him away. Some of the women he raped were grandmothers.

[Link: twitter.com...]

166 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:12:54pm

I told my kids to find people with slightly imperfect teeth.

Lousy means your kids will need braces. Perfect means...your kids will need braces like the ones your spouse have.

However, considering that our oldest son is not yet really capable of speaking to a girl that he doesn't think of being 'like a sister,' I'm not too worried yet.

167 freetoken  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:13:02pm

re: #162 SanFranciscoZionist

My mother is the only person in the family who's not nearsighted. I hope for her genes to prevail with my kids.

Don't know how much of it is from genetic tendencies or from prolonged practices, but I do know that kids these days spend a great fraction of their day staring at tiny screens with 6 point font, reading but a few inches away from their face. I suspect in 30 years the ophthalmologists will be saying "I told you so!".

168 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:13:18pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

And I meant it. I'd like them to be under the rule of someone not accountable to them, but who would not brutalize them and work to get them ready for self-government. But I cannot can't find a way to make that work.

Yeah, well, I want a gold statue of Ganesha and a flute that turns water to congac.

The truth is that men who like controlling people are going to brutalize them. That's what fucking happens. There aren't benevolent tyrants.

Vetinari is fictional.

169 Digital Display  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:13:31pm

911 what is your emergency?
I can't breathe..
Sir?
4 days of March Madness..I can't breathe..Help me..
Sir..We are sending an ambulance right now..
Really?
Yes Sir..
Could you have them stop at Taco bell and pick up a 12 pack of tacos..I'm out of food..Starving here..4 days..
Sir..Are you declaring an emergency?
Did you hear me?
4 days..I can't breathe!
So..You want an ambulance? Right?
Taco Bell Damn it! I pay my Taxes!
Sir?
911 what is your emergency?
I can't breathe.. 4 days..I need help..
Taco Bell?
Don't forget the hot sauce..Hurry..I can't breathe

170 sagehen  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:13:56pm

re: #155 A Little Bit Shady

As I've said before, the adherence to religious beliefs and traditions confuses me.

Me too sometimes, but it has its moments. Like when I'm preparing a Passover dinner according to the same rituals as my mother and grandmother and greats-grands back about 100 generations, while the line escaped from was expelled from passed through probably a dozen or more countries, there's something profound about meditating on that connective chain while I'm chopping for the charoset.

171 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:14:06pm

re: #168 Obdicut

Yeah, well, I want a gold statue of Ganesha and a flute that turns water to congac.

The truth is that men who like controlling people are going to brutalize them. That's what fucking happens. There aren't benevolent tyrants.

Vetinari is fictional.

But cool. Oh so cool.

Don't let me detain you.

172 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:14:07pm

re: #166 To hold my temper, most of the time.

I have perfect teeth and never needed braces.

173 erik_t  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:14:38pm

re: #172 Obdicut

BURN THE WITCH

174 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:15:06pm

re: #162 SanFranciscoZionist

My mother is the only person in the family who's not nearsighted. I hope for her genes to prevail with my kids.

I'm sorry, could you write that a little louder, I'm hard of seeing.

I've been near sighted since I was 14, but my hearing is so good I could hear dog whistles until I was in my late 30s.

175 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:15:38pm

My goddamn DNS has been fritzing out all evening.

I'm going to go to bed and finish this work in the morning.

176 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:15:46pm

re: #164 ProGunLiberal

Katrina proved that Posse Comitatus needs some sort of extreme overhaul.

/Puts on Flame Retardant Suit.

Two very different things.

There is the Posse Comitatus Act which you are refering to. Then there is the far right/neo-nazi/sovereign citizen group Posse Comitatus which has been active for decades in northern Wisconsin and been the cause of much grief here. They are the ones of which I have deep concern when Obama wins his re-election.

177 sagehen  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:16:14pm

re: #159 prairiefire

I did tell them to try to find a mate who was not near sighted or suffered from allergies, just for the sake of their future children.

for papa, make him a scholar
for mama, make him rich as a king
for me, well, i wouldn't holler
if he were as handsome as anything....

178 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:16:51pm

re: #174 A Little Bit Shady

I'm sorry, could you write that a little louder, I'm hard of seeing.

I've been near sighted since I was 14, but my hearing is so good I could hear dog whistles until I was in my late 30s.

There is a smartphone app for a sound that only teenagers can hear. It's annoying.

Some smart alec downloads it and plays it in class and the teacher can't figure out why all the other kids are yelling at the smart alec.

179 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:17:01pm

re: #169 HoosierHoops

LOL! I hope March Madness is good for you!
*waves*

180 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:18:48pm

re: #172 Obdicut

I have perfect teeth and never needed braces.

I have perfect teeth, but I stole them from the old fart next door.

181 aagcobb  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:19:04pm

re: #179 Floral Giraffe

LOL! I hope March Madness is good for you!
*waves*

One last upset as the Bearcats became the 4th Ohio team to advance to the sweet 16. Its been a good tournament!

182 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:21:18pm

re: #176 William Barnett-Lewis

Oh. Yeah, you hit my misconception on the head.

However, I do stand by the fact that the law must be loosened to allow military deployments in the case truly catastrophic disasters to aid in evacuation and temporary repairs.

A good point of comparison here would be Wilma v. Mexico the same year. Wilma was also very strong with an evilly high storm surge. However, the Mexican Military was able to evacuate most people out of the way, and other such things. As a result, even though Wilma was the 2nd or 3rd worst Disaster in their history, only 8 died. And 7 of those were the result of a very, very unlucky incident involving a gas station.

183 Mocking Jay  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:22:00pm

re: #178 To hold my temper, most of the time.

There is a smartphone app for a sound that only teenagers can hear. It's annoying.

Some smart alec downloads it and plays it in class and the teacher can't figure out why all the other kids are yelling at the smart alec.

Yeah, they're called mosquito tones.

184 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:22:20pm

re: #168 Obdicut

Yeah, well, I want a gold statue of Ganesha and a flute that turns water to congac.

The truth is that men who like controlling people are going to brutalize them. That's what fucking happens. There aren't benevolent tyrants.

Vetinari is fictional.

I know, I know, damnit I KNOW! ... Sorry, frustrated with the world, not mad at you. Despite all the worrying I do, I try hard to be positive when i can and when I need to be (such as at work). But Syria resembles the Russia of old legend: a place where all roads lead to disaster. And I find that depressing, and like PLL I look for solutions. Also like PLL, sometimes the solutions I think of aren't realistic and I have to be reminded that they aren't realistic.

185 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:22:35pm

re: #177 sagehen

for papa, make him a scholar
for mama, make him rich as a king
for me, well, i wouldn't holler
if he were as handsome as anything...

I love that movie. I think the image of the mama lighting the Shabbats candle and covering her eyes to say the prayer is profound and beautiful. This blog came up when I was searching:[Link: www.52shabbats.com...]

186 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:24:45pm

re: #178 To hold my temper, most of the time.

There is a smartphone app for a sound that only teenagers can hear. It's annoying.

Some smart alec downloads it and plays it in class and the teacher can't figure out why all the other kids are yelling at the smart alec.

My students played that for me. I can't bloody hear it any more.

187 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:25:05pm

re: #178 To hold my temper, most of the time.

There is a smartphone app for a sound that only teenagers can hear. It's annoying.

Some smart alec downloads it and plays it in class and the teacher can't figure out why all the other kids are yelling at the smart alec.

I hate those things. For you see, even though I'm 34 I inherited high-frequency hearing from my mother. So both she and I can hear those 'mosquito tones' quite clearly, and they are fairly painful for us.

188 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:26:29pm

re: #186 SanFranciscoZionist

My students played that for me. I can't bloody hear it any more.

My kids do it in the house and laugh at me.

I've always had bad hearing, though, so I doubt I ever would have heard it.

189 Digital Display  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:28:33pm

re: #179 Floral Giraffe

LOL! I hope March Madness is good for you!
*waves*

It's been an awesome 4 days..Had a few cowboy buddies stop by over the weekend...Really..I am now officially completely out of food except for lots of chip dip..Empty here..So Monday night? Shopping..
Hope you are well

190 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:30:18pm

re: #189 HoosierHoops

It's been an awesome 4 days..Had a few cowboy buddies stop by over the weekend...Really..I am now officially completely out of food except for lots of chip dip..Empty here..So Monday night? Shopping..
Hope you are well

Food? Food is for the lucky few with enough time to eat.

191 labman57  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:32:28pm

Geller needs to have a little chat with her legal dept. 1st Amendment protections do not extend to the right to advocate (or facilitate/encourage others to advocate) the assassination of any elected official.

192 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:36:10pm

Time for me to buzz off.

193 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:36:23pm

re: #106 Meh.

Well, I suppose someone has to be the voice of tyrants and dictators...

That read more like an understanding that things can go from bad (Assad) to worse.

194 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:36:45pm

re: #191 labman57

Geller needs to have a little chat with her legal dept. 1st Amendment protections do not extend to the right to advocate (or facilitate/encourage others to advocate) the assassination of any elected official.

She's too much in the grip of hate to care, and she's just rich enough to think her money will keep her out of trouble, but not rich enough that it actually would.

195 Mocking Jay  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:36:56pm

Okay, I can still hear up to 21.1khz. 22.4 is out of my 36 year old hearing's reach, though.

[Link: www.freemosquitoringtone.org...]

196 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:37:29pm

re: #193 Daniel Ballard

That read more like an understanding that things can go from bad (Assad) to worse.

Thanks.

197 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:38:33pm

re: #193 Daniel Ballard

That read more like an understanding that things can go from bad (Assad) to worse.

And probably will.

I would like to see Assad taken down. My fantasies about how much I would like to see Assad taken down can get very graphic. But I have no great expectations of who will follow him, much as I did not in Egypt.

198 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:39:11pm

Fuck. Another domestic disturbance two houses down. Got 4 squad cars when I called it in but then my son's best friend lives there. Prayers are always good...

199 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:39:43pm

re: #198 William Barnett-Lewis

Fuck. Another domestic disturbance two houses down. Got 4 squad cars when I called it in but then my son's best friend lives there. Prayers are always good...

Of course.

Damn. That's not good.

200 Mocking Jay  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:39:59pm

re: #193 Daniel Ballard

That read more like an understanding that things can go from bad (Assad) to worse.

No. He's made it crystal clear that he wants Assad to succeed and quash the uprising. That's a lot more than just an understanding.

201 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:40:58pm

re: #193 Daniel Ballard

Syria is just an awful problem with no clear solution.

The best thing I could hope for would be some sort of coup by some Alawite officers under Assad worried about him screwing over the Alawites in the long run, starting national reconciliation, and slowly liberalizing, so that we don't end up with a massive vent in violence.

202 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:41:40pm

re: #200 Meh.

No. He's made it crystal clear that he wants Assad to succeed and quash the uprising. That's a lot more than just an understanding.

One of DF's weak spots is a strong preference for the Devil You Know. The problem is that while that prevents worse it also prevents better.

203 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:44:21pm

Wow, look at this bush!

/The pun was just sitting right there.

204 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:46:43pm

re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist

Of course.

Damn. That's not good.

I hate domestic disturbances. Both from as a child and from the fact that I grew up in a small farm town. The only officer ever lost in our city's history was responding to a domestic disturbance. The women's shelter is named for him.

205 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:49:45pm

re: #201 ProGunLiberal

Syria is just an awful problem with no clear solution.

The best thing I could hope for would be some sort of coup by some Alawite officers under Assad worried about him screwing over the Alawites in the long run, starting national reconciliation, and slowly liberalizing, so that we don't end up with a massive vent in violence.

That might work. The odds wouldn't be great, but with the right man it might work.

206 simoom  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 9:56:40pm

I noticed yesterday that a few Hot Air commentors responded in a similar way to the Bin Laden plot story, though they tried to be slightly more subtle about it:

[Link: hotair.com...]

As long as Patreus stays out of range uh…….

docflash on March 16, 2012 at 1:32 PM

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Appointing Biden was merely O’s life insurance policy.

pambi on March 16, 2012 at 1:52 PM

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Killing Petraeus I can see, but killing Obama? In what world would that actually make us worse off?

...

ghostwriter on March 16, 2012 at 2:12 PM

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I’m glad Obama and Petraeus are is safe.

Mr. Prodigy on March 16, 2012 at 3:30 PM

---

I have always maintained that the reason Obama pick Biden for VP was assassination insurance.

...

schmuck281 on March 16, 2012 at 11:43 PM

The strike-throughs quoted above come straight from the HA comment.

207 Digital Display  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:07:25pm

Well Lizards..About time to hit the sack..So I leave you with this
When a defining moment comes to your life..
The moment will define you or you will define the moment..

208 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:08:30pm

re: #207 HoosierHoops

Yes, and it will be about those who haved loved you, and those you have loved. Sleep well!

209 freetoken  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:09:28pm

This is America:


Will the Anunnaki Return for More Gold?

Sigh...

Ok, there have always been nutters around, fringe groups, and the like.

I'm just sad that instead of being wiped out by the spread of information that that our technologies have actually increased the exposure to lunacies.

211 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:21:21pm

re: #210 freetoken

Annunuki?

212 freetoken  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:32:45pm

re: #211 ProGunLiberal

See #209

213 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:33:21pm

re: #212 freetoken

Well, I just learned the Assad listens to Chris Brown.

This explains SOOO MUCH!

214 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:36:54pm

My new FB status:

So, apparently Bashar al-Assad listens to Chris Brown. This explains a great deal. One beats women, the other beats a country. They also have a bloated impression of themselves.

215 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:44:44pm

I seem to have murdered the the thread. :(

216 Altermite  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 10:53:07pm

Ugh. Anyone know of any short term jobs in the philadelphia area? I need something to last until grad school starts.

217 Kragar  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 11:10:59pm

Heavy firefight breaks out in Syrian capital

A heavy firefight broke out on Monday between Free Syrian Army rebels and forces loyal to President Bashar Assad in a main district of the Syrian capital Damascus that is home to several security installations, witnesses said.

They said the sound of heavy machinegun fire and rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs) echoed through the heavily guarded al-Mezze district. There was no immediate word on casualties but residents said by telephone the fighting was intense.

218 Kragar  Sun, Mar 18, 2012 11:58:04pm

New Jersey Found Least Corruptible State as Georgia Ranks Last

The center, a Washington-based nonprofit, said it analyzed 16,000 data points during a year-long study of public-ethics laws in the 50 states. It hired reporters to support its findings with “more than 100,000 words” of anecdotal journalism. New Jersey merited a B-plus, the highest grade, ahead of Connecticut (STOCT1), which earned a B, and Washington (STOWA1), California (STOCA1) and Nebraska (STONE1), which each received B-minus.

Georgia, one of eight states graded F, came in last. The state last penalized a vendor in 1999, even though 658 of its workers accepted sports tickets, meals and other gratuities without reproach in 2007 and 2008, “clearly violating state ethics laws,” according to the report released today. The state also has allowed executives at government-regulated utilities and companies to be among the most generous campaign contributors, creating conflicts of interest, the study found.

“It may seem counterintuitive for New Jersey, with its reputation for corruption, to be ranked number one, but we measured not the amount of disease, but the amount of medicine each state has to deal with the problem,” said Nathaniel Heller, executive director of Global Integrity, a Washington- based nonprofit that also worked on the project, as did Minneapolis-based Public Radio International.

219 freetoken  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 12:18:35am

re: #218 Kragar

Here's the report from the organization:

[Link: www.iwatchnews.org...]

220 Lidane  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 12:43:43am

Season 2 finale of The Walking Dead -- OMG. WOW. Season 3 can't get here fast enough.

I don't what to do with myself now that it's over.

221 Mocking Jay  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 1:10:00am

re: #220 Lidane

Season 2 finale of The Walking Dead -- OMG. WOW. Season 3 can't get here fast enough.

I don't what to do with myself now that it's over.

I was afraid that they were splitting far enough away from the original that we wouldn't be seeing that location you see at the end. Good to see it's going to happen.

222 researchok  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 1:16:34am

Morning, all

223 freetoken  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 1:19:25am

NO SPOILERS!!

224 freetoken  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 1:21:30am
225 researchok  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 1:23:32am

re: #224 freetoken

NOW I can enjoy my AM coffee...

226 researchok  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 1:26:57am

Arigato

227 freetoken  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 2:04:51am

re: #226 researchok

どういたしまして

228 researchok  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 2:06:42am

re: #227 freetoken

Show off
/

229 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 2:10:15am

I just get a row of boxes...

230 researchok  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 2:11:30am

re: #229 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

On the video?

231 researchok  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 2:11:59am
232 ozbloke  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 2:12:57am

First the good news

New entrepreneurs playing games to make living

A new breed of entrepreneur is emerging that makes a living playing video games and investing in the virtual economy.

A recent World Bank report found that the virtual economy is worth more than $3 billion globally and says it could be a valuable tool to provide work in developing countries.

David Storey is one entrepreneur who has invested in virtual real estate.

In 2004, he bought a virtual island in the online video game Entropia Universe for $26,500 with the help of some investors.

The island, Treasure Island, only exists on Planet Calypso in the online game.

Every time a player visits, shoots a fowl and then takes its belongings, Mr Storey gets a cut, which can ultimately be converted to US dollars.

More here...

233 ozbloke  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 2:14:21am

Children, teacher shot dead outside French school

A man on a scooter has opened fire outside a Jewish school in Toulouse in south-western France, killing two children and a teacher, police said.

Five people were injured in the attack which occurred as students were arriving for morning classes at the Ozar Hatorah school, a city official said.

The attack comes after three soldiers were killed in two separate shootings in the same region by a man who escaped from the scene on a scooter.

French interior minister Claude Gueant broke off a visit in north-eastern France to head for Toulouse.

French media reported that security was being tightened at all Jewish schools in the country.

More here...

234 freetoken  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 2:17:16am

re: #233 ozbloke

The attack comes after three soldiers were killed in two separate shootings in the same region by a man who escaped from the scene on a scooter.

It's hard to read this and not think that the authorities there are incompetent.

235 freetoken  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 2:18:40am
236 ozbloke  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 2:31:16am

re: #234 freetoken

It's hard to read this and not think that the authorities there are incompetent.

I find as I'm getting older, I am becoming more intolerant of intolerance.
I seriously hate this shit.

237 Aye Pod  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 2:56:25am

Morning folks:)

I see that the post calling for Obama's assassination has been quietly 'disappeared' without comment.

[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]

238 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 3:07:28am

Sickening that some of her commenters would rather side with Al Qaeda over the PotUS.

239 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 3:22:42am

re: #237 1ceweasel

didn't remove the one saying that they'd rejoice if he was assassinated, though.

240 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 3:34:56am

re: #238 Varek Raith

Sickening that some of her commenters would rather side with Al Qaeda over the PotUS.

my enemy's enemy is...also my enemy. BECAUSE WE HATE EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH US!!!

241 Aye Pod  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 4:18:11am

re: #239 Obdicut

didn't remove the one saying that they'd rejoice if he was assassinated, though.

Yes she may have belatedly and grudgingly removed this particular "kill him" comment but that doesn't mean she's not still perfectly happy to host comments which encourage Obama's assassination. Geller's commenters just need to change "Kill him" to "wouldn't it be nice if he were killed" to render their homicidal/terrorist aspirations and urgings as acceptable speech on her blog.

242 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 4:34:13am

re: #241 1ceweasel

Oh hell, the same dude just reposted the same comment without the explicit 'kill him' text and explicit racism about black people. So, people calling for assassination of Obama don't even merit a ban to her.

243 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 4:40:03am

re: #242 Obdicut

Oh hell, the same dude just reposted the same comment without the explicit 'kill him' text and explicit racism about black people. So, people calling for assassination of Obama don't even merit a ban to her.

Not to defend Pam, but does typepad allow bans? I know blogspot doesn't, have no idea about tp.

244 Gus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 4:44:06am

re: #241 1ceweasel

Yes she may have belatedly and grudgingly removed this particular "kill him" comment but that doesn't mean she's not still perfectly happy to host comments which encourage Obama's assassination. Geller's commenters just need to change "Kill him" to "wouldn't it be nice if he were killed" to render their homicidal/terrorist aspirations and urgings as acceptable speech on her blog.

Time to play! "Yes but!"...

Yes but the far left said much worse about George W. Bush. Yes but the Mooslims are far worse than we are!

Yes. But.

245 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 4:44:16am

re: #243 Tourquoise Supremacist

Well, you can only do it by IP address, so if they guy is dynamically switching, he could get around a putative block. The solution is blocking by range, which might hit innocents-- and I use the word very loosely.

[Link: help.typepad.com...]

246 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 4:45:19am

re: #244 Gus

Or, as on one of the comments on Pam's blog, 'muslimes'.

Charming.

247 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 4:48:04am

re: #245 Obdicut

It's really lame how these major blogging platforms don't provide the most obvious basic moderation tools. Of course blog owners should be able to ban profiles. Banning by IP range is not a solution both because it bans a large number of addresses and because it's not a problem to use new IPs through numerous means.

248 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 4:49:29am

re: #244 Gus

Time to play! "Yes but!"...

Yes. But.

Yes, butt.

249 Gus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 4:50:32am

re: #248 Tourquoise Supremacist

Yes, butt.

Coming up next! Defending Brian.

250 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 4:50:43am

re: #247 Tourquoise Supremacist

True enough. It's really weird that you can block comments based on 'content' but not on user name. Maybe you can, maybe that counts as 'content'. I dunno.

251 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 4:58:08am

Heh. The antisemites' bogeyman and ex-oligarch Boris Berezovsky plans to create a Christian-democratic party to "crush the thieves' regime": [Link: bberezovsky.livejournal.com...]

252 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:07:17am

re: #251 Tourquoise Supremacist

Why is the anti-semites bogeyman an hyper-Christian?

253 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:07:40am

re: #252 Obdicut

Well, he is Jewish.

254 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:10:51am

re: #253 Tourquoise Supremacist

Well, he is Jewish.

A convert? Or is there something weirder going on?

255 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:14:16am

re: #254 Obdicut

A convert, yes.

From his own words:

[Link: www.sem40.ru...]

However, I do not see any contradiction in the fact that Orthodox Christian supports Jews. Orthodox Christianity is a religion, and Jewish is an ethnicity. Similarly, as an [ethnic] Jew can become an Orthodox Christian, an [ethnic] Russian can be a [religious] Jew. As a Jew by birth, I certainly try to help the Jews, but this aid has never manifested itself in the form of participation in the creation of any of the numerous Russian Jewish organizations.

[...]

- What prompted you to convert to Orthodoxy, and when did it happen?

- It happened in April 1994, two months before the assassination attempt on me, which ended tragically for my driver and I miraculously survived. It's hard to rationalize this baptism, but I think to a large extent it is - the result of the influence of Russian culture. I came to this after a lot - more than a year - thinking and consider myself a Christian believer.

256 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:15:40am

re: #255 Tourquoise Supremacist

Ah, so, according to the antisemites, one of those secret infiltrators, insidiously working their way into Russian institutions and corrupting them through sheer Jewishness?

Or am I giving them too much credit? Is it just "He's a Jew, we hate him?"

257 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:16:46am

re: #256 Obdicut

The latter.

258 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:20:46am

re: #257 Tourquoise Supremacist

Sigh.

259 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:20:55am

Berezovsky is a fascinating figure, an "adventurer", so to say. He basically brought Putin to power and got burned on it.

260 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:31:09am

re: #259 Tourquoise Supremacist

If I had a free ten years or so I'd love to get deep into Russian politics, and understand how it is viewed by the Russian citizenry.

I think that's one challenge we all face understanding other political systems; not just the system is it works in terms of political power, but the way that the citizens view their government.

261 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:35:10am

re: #260 Obdicut

Heh, that would be a mammoth task, to accurately describe all the ebbs and flows of the average folks' aggregate views in such turbulent times.

262 Gus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:39:17am

Looks like the sociopath Brian responded two hours ago in what look like an edited version of his first. With the inclusion of an LGF mention:

Goes to prove that - just like the meat-locker-IQ'd LGF-Cyber-Terrorist Gang - the psychopathological hesperophobics, product of fourteen-hundred years of the manifestation of evil that calls itself both “submission” and a “religion,” are not gunna provide fierce competition for the sub-Saharan Africans (mean-IQ: 67) in the: "If Brains Were Dynamite Would Yours Even Blow Off Your Bloody Kufiya On A windy Day? Stakes!" Unless it was Missus Billy-Bubbah Blythe (“Cli’ton”) - no-one - not even Plugs, the one-time most dangerous dullard in the senate, who at least - best I can tell - doesn’t loath us all - could be less competent that the mobbed-up marijuana-mumbling murtadd-Muslim modified Marxist mother’s milquetoast presently pretending to what his perilously-pernicious predatory pack passes off as the “presidency.” If the Osamaniacs had killed him, they would have killed, with him, any chance, in this century or so, anyway, of the followers of the mass-murdering Muhummud inflicting any further serious harm upon America. Buraq Hussayn Zero is their best ever ally!

Toggle Commented 2 hours ago on The bin Laden plot to assassinate President Obama at Atlas Shrugs

263 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:41:13am

re: #262 Gus

Wow, I missed that. What a creep.

264 Gus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:42:48am

re: #263 Obdicut

Wow, I missed that. What a creep.

A psycho if I ever saw one

265 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:43:58am

[Link: twitter.com...]

266 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:45:01am

re: #260 Obdicut

If I had a free ten years or so I'd love to get deep into Russian politics, and understand how it is viewed by the Russian citizenry.

I think that's one challenge we all face understanding other political systems; not just the system is it works in terms of political power, but the way that the citizens view their government.

and the way the government views the prople.

the most enlightening moment for me came when i was working with a foreign company over there in 1992. We had a number of russians working for us, and most of them were party members. I remember asking why they still retained their party cards, since communism was a lost cause.

Sergei (not our sergey) just turned to me and said "we will win in the end".

I have come to understand what he meant.

267 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:45:24am
268 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:45:34am

re: #264 Gus

Also, murtadd is an insult only by Islamic fundie standards. It means an apostate from Islam. They're calling Obama that because they believe that Muslims believe that he's a Muslim from birth, I assume-- the theology on that I think probably differing between Islamic schools of thought. So, they're using 'apostate Muslim" as an insult, which on its own is stupid since they should love apostate Muslims.

269 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:47:40am

re: #268 Obdicut

Also, murtadd is an insult only by Islamic fundie standards. It means an apostate from Islam. They're calling Obama that because they believe that Muslims believe that he's a Muslim from birth, I assume-- the theology on that I think probably differing between Islamic schools of thought. So, they're using 'apostate Muslim" as an insult, which on its own is stupid since they should love apostate Muslims.

Daniel Pipes was big on that stuff. And purely theoretically he may even be correct, but practice has shown this is a total non-issue to Muslims around the world.

270 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:48:56am

re: #266 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Well, they didn't win after all.

272 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:53:15am

re: #271 Tourquoise Supremacist

Here's him using the same insult.

And the coke-headed, moronically-marijuana-mumbling mobbed-up Mussolini-modeled modified-Marxist murtadd-Muslim multiple-mothers'-milquetoast pretender to what presently passes as the "presidency" has, in just his inane/insane reactions to this freak accident, surely for all of time demonstrated his absolute unsuitability to any public office -- and that he is already long long long overdue for impeachment and for removal from office.

And again, murtadd.

What is it with these people. Do they have an irony deficiency?

273 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:54:38am
From: Brian Richard Allen

eMail: brian@.............com

For Secretary Ridge, please:

Hi there, Mr secretary.

I notice that today's national terroristic "Threat Advisory" is "High" and suggest that if the administration of which you are part was "on the job" and was willing to accept its responsibility to protect America's Sovereign Borders and rid our nation of the millions of invading and colonizing criminal aliens with which we are becoming inundated -- there would be no appreciable danger.

I put it to you, that is, that President Bush's administration is an accessory to and after the fact of the threat.

A foreign born American [AMERICAN-American, that is] -- and one whose life's ambition was realized in the process of becoming American -- I joined the Republican Party [And the NRA] before I was even eligible for Naturalization. I have subsequently supported every Republican Candidate for public office it has been within my ability to support.

Now, however, I must tell you that -- especially after having spent thousands of hours of my life in the pursuit of the enormous privilege of becoming American and having watched my family members spend thousands of hours of their lives doing the same, including while standing in lines in all weathers waiting while the [For the most part hatred-and-rage-consumed] employees of the so-called Immigration and Naturalization "Service" waded through the processing of the millions of invading criminal aliens by whom they have long been beseiged -- and got to me and to my family members; I am so disgusted by President Bush's administrative failure in the area of the protection of our beloved fraternal republic's borders, language and culture that until and unless the present policies are reversed and moves are made toward rounding up and deporting every last criminal alien, I will not support another Republican.

Interestingly, nor will any of my family members nor any of my hundreds of friends and political-activist aquaintances.

I thank you, Mr Secretary, for your anticipated kind attention to this note.

Best regards.

Sincerely -- Brian

I wonder - since he is merely naturalized - is there a way to get him deported?

274 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:58:39am

re: #273 Tourquoise Supremacist

The government has to make a case that your original naturalization process was flawed because it didn't detect that you were not of 'good moral character', one of the requirements. But the burden is on them to make the case. So if someone came here normal, and got radicalized, you can't deport them. If you can prove retrospectively they were not of 'good moral character' at the time they were naturalized, you can strip their citizenship. Bush's administration used this against a few people for support of terrorism.

275 iossarian  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:58:59am

re: #273 Tourquoise Supremacist

I wonder - since he is merely naturalized - is there a way to get him deported?

Nutter.

"I got in and I'm glad but no-one else should be allowed in. Also hate and rage."

276 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:02:03am

Familiarity breeding contempt because he had to stand in line?
/

277 iossarian  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:02:41am

I am immediately distrustful of anyone who claims that any one country is the be-all-and-end-all. By which I mean, it's one thing to want to get out of Somalia and live in a stable and prosperous democracy, but it's quite another to claim that (e.g.) Belgium is the one true and pure beacon of hope and all other western nations are decadent backsliding cesspits of corruption.

The former desire is perfectly normal, the latter is a strong indicator of nutterdom.

278 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:03:37am

re: #274 Obdicut

Well, in any case he should get a Secret Service visit.

279 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:04:57am

re: #278 Tourquoise Supremacist

He probably will. A friend of a friend of mine is actually on Obama's detail. He can't say that much about it, but he said he genuinely likes the First Family, which was nice to hear.

280 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:09:10am

Morning Lizardim. Hope everyone is sufficiently recovered from the lovely St. Patrick's Day weekend. I noticed the roads here in the wild north country were quite a bit emptier than usual, so I imagined thousands of Scandinavian lightweights still nursing hangovers this morning. And I chuckled to myself. What's new out there in the land of the odd?

281 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:11:24am

Heh. [Link: shortyawards.com...]

283 Gus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:18:08am

re: #278 Tourquoise Supremacist

Well, in any case he should get a Secret Service visit.

Crazy man is crazy.

[Link: wonkette.com...]

284 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:29:31am
286 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:31:57am

re: #243 Tourquoise Supremacist

Not to defend Pam, but does typepad allow bans? I know blogspot doesn't, have no idea about tp.

I have a Typepad blog, you can ban users by IP and block keywords.

287 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:32:55am

re: #270 Tourquoise Supremacist

Putin represents the ascendancy of the ex-party people who understood tht the old leadership had to be toppled and replaced by a few years' worth of corrupt anarchy (Yeltsin), making them very receptive to anyone who could promise Law and Order.

288 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:32:58am

What righwing violence?!

289 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:33:49am

re: #287 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Not the kind of people who kept their party cards.

290 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:34:07am

This legislation, recently passed, seems to be causing all kinds of bruhahaa from the permanently paranoid. It is being seen as another example of the police state our nation is "becoming".

Gives the SS browncoat powers.

I'm just not seeing it.

291 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:34:18am

re: #289 Tourquoise Supremacist

Not the kind of people who kept their party cards.

Those are being trampled still.

292 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:37:05am

re: #289 Tourquoise Supremacist

Not the kind of people who kept their party cards.

The people of Putin's generation, expecially those exposed to more western ideas and influences, came to understand that a new style of authoritarian rule was called for. The old post-Stalinist model was no longer viable.

293 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:40:12am

re: #292 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

The people of Putin's generation, expecially those exposed to more western ideas and influences, came to understand that a new style of authoritarian rule was called for. The old post-Stalinist model was no longer viable.

Yeah, well, post-Stalinist model was still totalitarian.

294 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:43:09am

re: #293 Tourquoise Supremacist

Yeah, well, post-Stalinist model was still totalitarian.

Gorbachev came to understand that in an age of PC's and Internet, they could notmaintain the sort of control over information that is necessary for totalitarian control. But the party's old guard was not able to adapt to the new conditions and had to be toppled.

But a new generation of authoritarian rulers is demonstrating that they can allow the Internet and still maintain political control, they just have to loosen up a bit around the edges.

295 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:47:07am

re: #294 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Gorbachev came to understand that in an age of PC's and Internet, they could notmaintain the sort of control over information that is necessary for totalitarian control. But the party's old guard was not able to adapt to the new conditions and had to be toppled.

C'mon. PCs? Internet? In USSR in 1987? You're being anachronist here.

296 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:50:17am

re: #295 Tourquoise Supremacist

Hey, when were samizdat produced up until? Right up until the end?

297 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:52:17am

re: #296 Obdicut

Basically, until perestroika.

298 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:52:57am

Well, The Illinois Board of Elections emailed me back. I got the skinny on my Congressional District.

seems This election I will be voting for individuals taking office in January 2013--when my district will be a new number. As for right now, my district is as it always was.

Whew! Glad that got straightened out.

Board of Elections does not explain in anyway on their website that this election, I will be voting for next years district.

299 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:59:18am

re: #262 Gus

I am a member of this gang?

How come no one told me?

300 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:59:53am

re: #299 ggt

I am a member of this gang?

How come no one told me?

Are our colors light green and white?

301 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:00:17am

re: #295 Tourquoise Supremacist

C'mon. PCs? Internet? In USSR in 1987? You're being anachronist here.

Granted, there was no Internet in 1987, but Gorbachev came to the West and saw that nearly every business, no matter how small, was connected to a PC, and that they would also need that sort of technology to be competitive.

And he sort of understood, at least theoretically, the link between freedom of information and economic growth and prosperity.

But that also meant that Soviet authorities could no longer keep a tight lid on what was published and distributed in the country.

302 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:01:22am

re: #296 Obdicut

Hey, when were samizdat produced up until? Right up until the end?

What is the modern Intenet but uncontrolled, immediately accessible Samizdat?

303 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:02:29am

re: #302 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

What is the modern Intenet but uncontrolled, immediately accessible Samizdat?

There used to be a blog by that name.

304 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:04:44am

re: #301 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Yeah, well, the problem is that you're imagining his reasoning right now. Perestroika didn't have anything to do with PCs and Internet. It had everything to do with Gorbachev's need to solve the deep structural social/economic/political problems USSR faced with or without the potential new media.

305 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:08:23am

re: #304 Tourquoise Supremacist

Yeah, well, the problem is that you're imagining his reasoning right now. Perestroika didn't have anything to do with PCs and Internet. It had everything to do with Gorbachev's need to solve the deep structural social/economic/political problems USSR faced with or without the potential new media.

I do recall reading that he was overwhelmed at how widespread the use of PC's was in the West in the 80's and he saw that the days of the old regime were numbered.

306 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:13:01am

Peaceful protest update: Twitter User Who Suggested Killing Cops Over OWS Says He Was Just Joking

Police were more concerned with tracking down “smackema1,” who tweeted after the protest: “we wont make a difference if we dont kill a cop or 2.” The man who made that tweet told the Daily News it was just a joke: “It’s not like I meant anything of it. Who takes anything like that seriously? I’m in Florida, what am I going to do?”
....
NYPD spokesman Paul Browne said police are separately checking telephone threats made to two cops and their families on Saturday. And the NYPD has already subpoenaed the Twitter accounts of two other Occupy Wall Street posters.

307 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:15:58am

re: #219 freetoken

Here's the report from the organization:

[Link: www.iwatchnews.org...]

WOW, Illinois is not nearly as bad as I would think. Virginia is right where I would have placed it. As is Michigan.

308 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:17:39am

re: #306 Killgore Trout

There was no joke there. And he did it in a very passive-aggressive way, too.

309 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:21:42am
310 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:25:21am

re: #305 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

I do recall reading that he was overwhelmed at how widespread the use of PC's was in the West in the 80's and he saw that the days of the old regime were numbered.

I doubt it was a credible account. Maybe a rumor or a journalistic fantasy. I can't find any evidence of such an account. All I know is that perestroika would be there regardless.

311 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:27:49am

re: #310 Tourquoise Supremacist

I doubt it was a credible account. Maybe a rumor or a journalistic fantasy. I can't find any evidence of such an account. All I know is that perestroika would be there regardless.

There was a link in his mind between access to information and productivity, and that the old methods of registering and controlling every typewriter and copying machine were stifling productivity.

312 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:30:14am

re: #308 Obdicut

There was no joke there. And he did it in a very passive-aggressive way, too.

It's a weak but expected defense. There's a screenshot circulating and it appeared to be the topic of discussion on the OWS twitter stream. I'm also wondering if the phone threats to police families came from the lists of personal information Anon was circulating. What a bunch of a-holes.

313 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:33:04am

re: #312 Killgore Trout

I expect the NYPD will take this plenty seriously.

314 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:34:04am

re: #308 Obdicut

He doesn't say it was a joke, but rather that it was taken out of context of some discussion.

315 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:38:28am

re: #314 Tourquoise Supremacist

The context doesn't really make it any better.

“It’s just general,” he added in a series of tweets. “I was saying for us to have the kind [of revolution] they have over seas we’d have to do that[.] Never once have I said for anyone to go out and do that[.] it was just a rebelrouser [sic] trying to cause a stink and clearly worked.”

His original thing was 'we wont make a difference if we dont kill a cop or 2'. I don't see how his explanation makes any sense.

316 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:40:12am

re: #315 Obdicut

The context doesn't really make it any better.

His original thing was 'we wont make a difference if we dont kill a cop or 2'. I don't see how his explanation makes any sense.

Do people just not think before using social media? Or do they really think that everyone that may read what they write is on the same wavelength with them?

317 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:42:05am

re: #315 Obdicut

His context is now hard to establish since he purged the tweets. I'm just saying his explanation is not that it was a joke, contra Gothamist. He also says he's not a part of OWS and that he called NYPD. Hard to know what is true of his claims, of course.

318 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:43:12am

People are such idiots when it comes to social media.

319 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:43:51am

re: #318 HappyWarrior

People are such idiots when it comes to social media.

???

320 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:44:29am

re: #319 ggt

???

This is true too.

321 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:45:01am

re: #318 HappyWarrior

People are such idiots when it comes to social media.

We will probably need some serious legal cases before we establish just what and what is not covered by "free speech" in social media

322 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:46:55am

re: #321 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

We will probably need some serious legal cases before we establish just what and what is not covered by "free speech" in social media

Yes, I agree with that.

323 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:47:05am

re: #308 Obdicut

There was no joke there. And he did it in a very passive-aggressive way, too.

He definitely sounds like a weasel.

"We won't make a difference if you don't kill a cop or 2," he said from the safety of his home in Florida.

324 iossarian  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:47:08am

re: #312 Killgore Trout

It's a weak but expected defense. There's a screenshot circulating and it appeared to be the topic of discussion on the OWS twitter stream. I'm also wondering if the phone threats to police families came from the lists of personal information Anon was circulating. What a bunch of a-holes.

Just curious: is this an example of hateful speech which it's better to suppress?

325 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:51:31am

re: #324 iossarian

Just curious: is this an example of hateful speech which it's better to suppress?

Suppress? Depends on who is doing the suppressing.

I'd rather it be out there and the person be subject to peer pressure and MAYBE an official investigation as a wake-up call.

326 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:53:59am

I'm off

Have a great day all!

327 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:57:31am

re: #316 ggt

Do people just not think before using social media? Or do they really think that everyone that may read what they write is on the same wavelength with them?

They don't think. Or rather they forget how many people are reading what they type, especially if they don't interact with their followers regularly.

About a month ago a young lady and I stuck up a brief conversation over fountain pens and ended up following each other. She's in college and mostly tweets about college things: food friends, study, etc.

One day a couple of weeks ago, I saw her tweeting something to the effect of, "Oh my legs are so silky smooth & soft right now." I knew she'd probably either just shaved them or used some sort of depilatory and was only chatting to a girlfriend about it, but the mother in me nearly had a heart attack. I immediately pounced and said, "Gah! Nooooo—please don't say things like that! Do you realize how many creeps are out there?? I can't bear to think of you being stalked by some pervert!"

She basically responded with, "OMG, I didn't even think of that!! I'm going to delete that tweet." Then I cracked a joke about fending off any weirdos with smoothies and her "failed curry concoctions" and THAT really freaked her out. She said she'd completely forgotten that just because she wasn't interacting with someone every day didn't mean that they weren't aware of what she'd tweeted about her life.

She's being more careful now, but I don't know if she'll forget and backslide again. I hope not.

328 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:00:32am
329 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:01:11am

re: #269 Tourquoise Supremacist

Daniel Pipes was big on that stuff. And purely theoretically he may even be correct, but practice has shown this is a total non-issue to Muslims around the world.

I do recall that. Tons of 'but EVEN if he doesn't consider himself a Muslim, THEY consider him a Muslim, and they won't DEAL with an apostate, so see, we can't elect him. Trust me, I know all about Islam, I read Spencer's book, and you see, there are these rules."

Only time these folks have ever shown any practical interest in dealing with the response of the Muslim world. The rest of the time it's "Do what the hell we want, and let them cope." For some reason, this formula didn't apply to electing Obama.

However, we elected him anyway, and no one in the Muslim world particularly cared, so they switched to "HE'S A REAL MUSLIM!". Based on the evidence, one presumes.

World politics is not a tabletop game. You can't get a list of ten rules The Muslims will always follow, because they HAVE to, and use it to predict outcomes. Especially not if the rules were written up by Robert Spencer.

330 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:03:26am

re: #324 iossarian

Just curious: is this an example of hateful speech which it's better to suppress?

Death threats aren't constitutionally protected speech. I'm not sure if he crossed the technical legal barrier but I'll let the cops and courts decide on that.

331 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:03:29am

re: #329 SanFranciscoZionist

I do recall that. Tons of 'but EVEN if he doesn't consider himself a Muslim, THEY consider him a Muslim, and they won't DEAL with an apostate, so see, we can't elect him. Trust me, I know all about Islam, I read Spencer's book, and you see, there are these rules."

Only time these folks have ever shown any practical interest in dealing with the response of the Muslim world. The rest of the time it's "Do what the hell we want, and let them cope." For some reason, this formula didn't apply to electing Obama.

However, we elected him anyway, and no one in the Muslim world particularly cared, so they switched to "HE'S A REAL MUSLIM!". Based on the evidence, one presumes.

World politics is not a tabletop game. You can't get a list of ten rules The Muslims will always follow, because they HAVE to, and use it to predict outcomes. Especially not if the rules were written up by Robert Spencer.

The amusing thing for me is all the self-proclaimed "Islam experts" that come out of the woodworks. Amuses me.

332 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:04:50am
333 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:06:54am

re: #332 Tourquoise Supremacist

Did you find the screenshot yet? I saw one earlier but I forget where.

334 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:07:35am

re: #333 Killgore Trout

Ustream screenshot is everywhere, but I didn't find the screenshot of his twitter stream that would establish the alleged context.

335 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:08:06am

re: #331 HappyWarrior

The amusing thing for me is all the self-proclaimed "Islam experts" that come out of the woodworks. Amuses me.

And they're still runnin' around.

My favorite is this exchange:

They: Disturbing quote from the Koran.

Me: Nice, uplifting quote from the Koran!

They: SIGH. SFZ, you clearly don't know that earlier passages are SUPERCEDED by later passages. That passage you quoted doesn't mean ANYTHING to Muslims.

Me: You're aware that Koran isn't arranged chronologically, aren't you? Which of those is earlier? I have no idea.

They: WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE NICE PASSAGES DON'T COUNT!!!!!

336 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:09:28am

Heh.

337 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:09:40am

Meanwhile, a New Hampshire town has voted to rename "Jew Pond", although they are not sure what they are going to call it instead.

[Link: www.jta.org...]

338 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:10:08am

re: #335 SanFranciscoZionist

And they're still runnin' around.

My favorite is this exchange:

They: Disturbing quote from the Koran.

Me: Nice, uplifting quote from the Koran!

They: SIGH. SFZ, you clearly know that earlier passages are SUPERCEDED by later passages? That passage you quoted doesn't mean ANYTHING to Muslims.

Me: You're aware that Koran isn't arranged chronologically, aren't you? Which of those is earlier? I have no idea.

They: WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE NICE PASSAGES DON'T COUNT!!!

Yeah, that's annoying. If one really wants to annoy them, it's by pointing out that Jesus Christ is a prophet in Islam and that Islam like Christianity is descended from Judaism. I am not a religious person particularly but the attempts to make Islam sinister and at the same time white wash Christianity's past issues is annoying to me.

339 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:10:50am

re: #268 Obdicut

Also, murtadd is an insult only by Islamic fundie standards. It means an apostate from Islam. They're calling Obama that because they believe that Muslims believe that he's a Muslim from birth, I assume-- the theology on that I think probably differing between Islamic schools of thought. So, they're using 'apostate Muslim" as an insult, which on its own is stupid since they should love apostate Muslims.

Muslims believe everyone is a Muslim at birth in the sense that they...damn, it's hard to explain, so I won't try right now. Anyway, everyone is a Muslim at birth, and that it's their parents who teach them to be Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. That's why you'll heat Muslim converts calling themselves "reverts".

340 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:11:14am

BBC has put together a pretty good summary of the shootings in France

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

341 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:13:15am

re: #339 CuriousLurker

That seems counterintuitive for such a text-based religion.

342 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:14:00am

re: #340 SpaceJesus

BBC has put together a pretty good summary of the shootings in France

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

Thanks. Hope they find this guy fast.

343 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:14:08am

re: #338 HappyWarrior

Yeah, that's annoying. If one really wants to annoy them, it's by pointing out that Jesus Christ is a prophet in Islam and that Islam like Christianity is descended from Judaism. I am not a religious person particularly but the attempts to make Islam sinister and at the same time white wash Christianity's past issues is annoying to me.

It's like when you start quoting all those ridiculous taboos from Leviticus and Christians will tell you that Christ came and exempted his followers from them.

Except for Leviticus 18:22

344 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:14:38am

re: #339 CuriousLurker

Muslims believe everyone is a Muslim at birth in the sense that they...damn, it's hard to explain, so I won't try right now. Anyway, everyone is a Muslim at birth, and that it's their parents who teach them to be Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. That's why you'll heat Muslim converts calling themselves "reverts".

But doesn't that make everyone an apostate worthy of death?

345 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:15:17am

re: #337 SanFranciscoZionist

Meanwhile, a New Hampshire town has voted to rename "Jew Pond", although they are not sure what they are going to call it instead.

[Link: www.jta.org...]

You must have missed this one. :-)

The Daily Show - On Goyim Pond

346 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:15:28am

re: #342 SanFranciscoZionist

And I really hope it's not more than one guy.

347 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:16:04am

re: #344 Tourquoise Supremacist

But doesn't that make everyone an apostate worthy of death?

Good question, and one I can't answer. ;)

348 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:16:33am

re: #346 Obdicut

And I really hope it's not more than one guy.

If it's right-wing violence, it's always a lone, mentally disturbed outsider.

If it is OWS or Islamist, then it is part and parcel of the movement/religion

349 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:18:59am

re: #346 Obdicut

Apparently the soldiers who were shot came from a French unit that had some neo-Nazis in it who were kicked out for posing with a Swastika or some such Nazi crap.

350 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:19:36am

I fucking hate Nazis that is all.

351 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:19:37am

re: #347 CuriousLurker

Good question, and one I can't answer. ;)

I would guess is that the death-worthy apostates are the ones who did it voluntarily.

352 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:21:07am

re: #335 SanFranciscoZionist

And they're still runnin' around.

My favorite is this exchange:

They: Disturbing quote from the Koran.

Me: Nice, uplifting quote from the Koran!

They: SIGH. SFZ, you clearly don't know that earlier passages are SUPERCEDED by later passages. That passage you quoted doesn't mean ANYTHING to Muslims.

Me: You're aware that Koran isn't arranged chronologically, aren't you? Which of those is earlier? I have no idea.

They: WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE NICE PASSAGES DON'T COUNT!!!

Are these the same folk who claim the New Testament superceded the Old Testament except for the bits they want to cherrypick as still applying in order to fit their prejudices?

353 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:21:27am

re: #349 SpaceJesus

But they were North Africans, right? The ones who got shot?

354 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:23:20am

re: #352 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Are these the same folk who claim the New Testament superceded the Old Testament except for the bits they want to cherrypick as still applying in order to fit their prejudices?

Well, there are enough bits to cherrypick from NT to reject OT wholesale, be bigoted and stay consistent all at the same time ;)

355 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:24:59am

re: #354 Tourquoise Supremacist

Well, there are enough bits to cherrypick from NT to reject OT wholesale, be bigoted and stay consistent all at the same time ;)

I seem to recall that the NT also has anti-gay and anti-women stuff enough to satisfy most any modern bigot.

356 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:25:36am

re: #355 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

I seem to recall that the NT also has anti-gay and anti-women stuff enough to satisfy most any modern bigot.

Yep, that's the stuff I'm talking about.

357 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:26:08am

re: #352 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Are these the same folk who claim the New Testament superceded the Old Testament except for the bits they want to cherrypick as still applying in order to fit their prejudices?

Well, most of the ones I have this fight with are Jewish, but the Christian version, probably.

358 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:26:26am

I don't know. I do remember the attempt to remove the bible of "liberal material" by conservative Christians which was amusing to me given the definition of fundamentalism.

359 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:26:28am

re: #353 Obdicut

Yeah, but from the same unit

360 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:26:42am

re: #353 Obdicut

But they were North Africans, right? The ones who got shot?

Two North Africans, and a guy from Guadaloupe, who is IIRC, still in critical condition.

361 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:27:06am

re: #336 Tourquoise Supremacist

BTW, after this exchange I think this guy is probably guilty as hell.

362 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:27:10am

re: #355 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

I seem to recall that the NT also has anti-gay and anti-women stuff enough to satisfy most any modern bigot.

Well, yes, but mostly from Paul and Timothy between them.

363 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:27:42am

re: #359 SpaceJesus

Ugh. I really hope it wasn't a neo-Nazi soldier who got kicked out shooting his ex-comrades. I mean, they're dead the same either way but that would have been a big failure on the part of the French to keep an eye on those guys. If they were radical enough to get kicked out of the army they should have had an eye kept on 'em.

364 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:28:10am

re: #344 Tourquoise Supremacist

But doesn't that make everyone an apostate worthy of death?

Okay, I'm gonna take a stab at this, but remember that I'm not a scholar.

Animals, nature, every "created" thing is...obeys a set of rules. Call them natural rules, God's rules, whatever. In this case we'll call them God's rules since we're talking about an Islamic context. For example cats chase mice becuase it's what cats do, they don't do it to please God—there's no free will involved.

Humans are different. We're born in a "pure" state (there's no original sin in Islam), with an inherent knowledge of God, of submission to that which is greater than ourselves. So one is Muslim in that sense (one who submits).

Once out of the womb and growing, one is then taught the particulars of Islam (or Christianity, Judaism, etc.) by their parents or guardians, hence they were born Muslim, but "made" into whatever.

I feel like that was a sloppy explanation and am not sure it made any sense. Especially since you're an atheist, heh. I didn't sleep last night due to insomnia, so gimme a break here.

365 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:28:14am

re: #362 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, yes, but mostly from Paul and Timothy between them.

And it's really not that much, even from them. The anti-gay stuff, especially. A few passages, and it's hard to tell what he's on about without really understanding the social context.

366 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:28:43am

Oh, and he deleted his twitter account. Lovely.

367 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:28:58am

re: #351 Tourquoise Supremacist

I would guess is that the death-worthy apostates are the ones who did it voluntarily.

You're probably right.

368 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:29:23am

re: #361 Tourquoise Supremacist

Each state deals with incitement differently. Some just call it attempted murder when you solicit for someone to be killed. Depending on the state, there can be more or less proof of whether it would actually be followed through on necessary. But doing it against a cop probably opens him up to the anti-anarchy stuff.

369 Gus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:30:01am

re: #348 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

If it's right-wing violence, it's always a lone, mentally disturbed outsider.

If it is OWS or Islamist, then it is part and parcel of the movement/religion

And if you're in Florida you can walk up to a young black man armed with a bag of Skittles and can of soda pop, start a fight with him and then shoot him to death and are free to go.

God bless Murica.

370 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:30:12am

re: #362 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, yes, but mostly from Paul and Timothy between them.

St. Paul's hatred of gays and women comes from being a repressed, conflicted, closet homosexual.

I actually ran across that theory in a book written by a former Anglican Bishop, John Shelby Spong.

[Link: www.liberalevangelical.org...]

371 iossarian  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:31:47am

re: #365 SanFranciscoZionist

And it's really not that much, even from them. The anti-gay stuff, especially. A few passages, and it's hard to tell what he's on about without really understanding the social context.

Paul's favoritism for "straight white males" has been overplayed by fundies and anti-Christians alike, but to be fair it is a problem at the heart of Christianity (especially the anti-woman stuff, since as you note the anti-gay passages are limited both in number and meaning).

372 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:32:15am

re: #362 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, yes, but mostly from Paul and Timothy between them.

Something like that, yes (not that there's nothing wrong with the gospels and Acts). Still God's word though ;)

373 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:33:01am

re: #370 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

St. Paul's hatred of gays and women comes from being a repressed, conflicted, closet homosexual.

I actually ran across that theory in a book written by a former Anglican Bishop, John Shelby Spong.

[Link: www.liberalevangelical.org...]

My sense of Paul is that he's just a crank. A man who dedicates his life to the church, and feels that no one else is as dedicated, or gets it, or has the vision, or has been through as much crap as he has, or gone to prison as much, or been shipwrecked.

374 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:33:40am

I don't know much about Paul but perhaps the term convert's zeal would apply here too.

375 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:36:36am

re: #374 HappyWarrior

I don't know much about Paul but perhaps the term convert's zeal would apply here too.

Well, it would really apply to all of them in that era.

OTOH, Paul addresses himself to several women leaders in various church communities, respectfully and urging others to show respect for them. He can get up on a high horse about his fantasy of how women should behave, but he also doesn't make snide comments about how Euodia and Syntyche should take a back seat.

376 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:37:31am

re: #375 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, it would really apply to all of them in that era.

OTOH, Paul addresses himself to several women leaders in various church communities, respectfully and urging others to show respect for them. He can get up on a high horse about his fantasy of how women should behave, but he also doesn't make snide comments about how Euodia and Syntyche should take a back seat.

True, I guess I am just projecting here.

377 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:38:51am

Okay, I'm supposed to be working, so I guess I'd better get back to it in earnest. BBL

378 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:40:53am

BTW, the Tanakh writers probably didn't have a concept of female homosexuality as such, so it's not even condemned anywhere. Paul, on the other hand...

Romans 1:

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

So the NT has one up on the OT.

379 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:42:06am

re: #366 Tourquoise Supremacist

Oh, and he deleted his twitter account. Lovely.

The dude should have kept his mouth shut and hired a lawyer.

380 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:42:33am

re: #379 Killgore Trout

The dude should have kept his mouth shut and hired a lawyer.

I had a vibe that he was on something.

381 Gus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:45:25am

Toulouse: migration, diversity, election... Matthew Goodwin on Sky News.

To early to tell...

382 Gus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:45:58am

Le Pen

383 Gus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:46:16am

A .45

Cough.

384 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:51:02am
385 Gus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:52:04am

re: #384 sattv4u2

Image: robitussin_18468_6_big_.jpg

Wait! Sergey seems to be communicating in Morse code again.

//

386 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:53:58am

re: #380 Tourquoise Supremacist

I had a vibe that he was on something.

Maybe but people get excited and say stupid stuff. Much of the rhetoric around ows, the false claims of police brutality, conspiracy theories, hate, fear and the sense of righteous purpose can all add up to some pretty ugly stuff when people really start to believe it.

388 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:56:02am

re: #386 Killgore Trout

So will the true claims of police brutality.

389 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:56:07am

re: #386 Killgore Trout

Yep. The propaganda can really push people farther and farther. Speech isn't without consequences. This guy made an explicit call for attacks, but that's not where it starts-- it starts with people saying the cops are the enemies, the government can't be trusted.

Of course, there are real cases of police brutality too, and minimizing those doesn't help either.

390 Gus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:56:35am

re: #387 Gus

Seller Of Racist Bumper Sticker Defends Use Of The N-Word To Describe President Obama

Key point:

Ms. Smith insisted that the bumper sticker is not racist. I asked her about the “N” word, for which “nig” is the shortened version. “According to the dictionary [the N word] does not mean black. It means a low down, lazy, sorry, low down person. That’s what the N word means.”

391 Gus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:56:58am

Much hilarity ensued!

//

392 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:59:54am
393 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:00:36am

re: #392 SanFranciscoZionist

She should have added "I'm calling the white half of him a n*****" just to cap it off.

394 Gus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:01:54am

re: #393 Obdicut

She should have added "I'm calling the white half of him a n*****" just to cap it off.

"I was merely employing a literary device in the spirit of Mark Twain!"

//

395 Gus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:04:45am

Peyton Manning might be going to the Broncos. Tim Tebow to be traded.

Developing.

396 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:05:27am

re: #395 Gus

Peyton Manning might be going to the Broncos. Tim Tebow to be traded.

Developing.

I just saw. Didn't see the Tebow trade part but it makes sense.

397 Gus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:05:49am

re: #396 HappyWarrior

I just saw. Didn't see the Tebow trade part but it makes sense.

Report: Peyton Manning to the Broncos, Denver will try to trade Tim Tebow

398 jaunte  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:06:01am

re: #392 SanFranciscoZionist

“Obama is not even black. He’s got a mixture of race. It’s his choice of what his nationality is.”

Must be an Arpaio fan.

399 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:06:05am

"I was just speaking in tongues Latin!"

400 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:06:32am
401 Gus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:09:58am

re: #400 HappyWarrior

Oh try to trade, yeah then.

Hopefully. That way the Broncos can go back to being the atheist team it was meant to be.

//

402 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:10:22am

In regards to the shooting in Toulouse, Wikipedia has this:

The shooting comes a week after two other shooting attacks in the area against uniformed paratroopers in Toulouse and Montauban. Four paratroopers were killed, two of them Muslim, and all of them either North African or Caribbean in origin.

403 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:10:48am

Nothing better than fresh horse radish
Zing Pow!
Left over corned beef and cabbage, its what for lunch!

404 Gus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:12:14am

re: #402 ProGunLiberal

In regards to the shooting in Toulouse, Wikipedia has this:

[[quote]]The shooting comes a week after two other shooting attacks in the area against uniformed paratroopers in Toulouse and Montauban. Four paratroopers were killed, two of them Muslim, and all of them either North African or Caribbean in origin.[[/quote]]

405 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:16:08am

If anything Islamists would consider Muslim French soldiers to be traitors.

406 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:18:51am

re: #395 Gus

trade him to the Raiders

407 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:18:54am

re: #405 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

If anything Islamists would consider Muslim French soldiers to be traitors.

True. My first reaction to the attacks in France was that it was probably motivated by the French far right but it could easily be radical Islamists too.

408 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:19:05am

re: #405 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

That's true. There's a lot of hateful points of view to choose from for inspiration.

409 Gus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:19:55am

French Gunman's Motives Are A Mystery

The gunman initially used a 9mm pistol at the private school in the city on Monday, before switching to a .45 calibre hand gun when the first weapon jammed.

The man who shot three paratroopers in Montauban, 30 miles north of Toulouse, on March 15 reportedly briefly lifted his visor revealing a facial tattoo.

This is the most dramatic of the otherwise nondescript portraits of the killer who has also been described as "pretty fat", about 5ft 10 and dressed in black.

410 Gus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:20:36am

Fat guy with a tattoo on his face and a .45 caliber hand gun.

411 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:21:31am

re: #409 Gus

French Gunman's Motives Are A Mystery

Ah, the tattoo could settle it.

412 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:22:01am

re: #410 Gus

Fat guy with a tattoo on his face and a .45 caliber hand gun.

this guy?

413 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:22:13am

re: #344 Tourquoise Supremacist

But doesn't that make everyone an apostate worthy of death?

Since everything in religion is someone's interpretation (even if learned from another) I suppose some might say so, but it's not a very practical perspective to act on in reality, even to those who might think so.

414 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:24:07am

re: #387 Gus

Seller Of Racist Bumper Sticker Defends Use Of The N-Word To Describe President Obama

Obviously, this means she would be selling that same bumper sticker if the incumbent was white.

Like hell.

415 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:25:27am

re: #404 Gus

They got a Nazi running around killing people. Stop him please.

416 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:29:49am

re: #387 Gus

Seller Of Racist Bumper Sticker Defends Use Of The N-Word To Describe President Obama

It is not illegal to be a racist in America. It is just considered rude, uneducated, low down, lazy, and sorry.

I diagree, but I can understand if a person considers Obama and his politics "sorry". But how do they come to consider an Ivy league graduate and elected chief executive low-down and lazy?

417 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:31:07am

re: #405 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

If anything Islamists would consider Muslim French soldiers to be traitors.

That's been raised. Honestly, my guess right now is disgruntled right-winger acting alone or with a few friends, but it could be anyone.

I guessed jihadis with Breivik, and I was very mistaken.

418 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:31:22am

re: #416 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

There's lots of contradictory stuff like that. Thinking someone is a tricksy manipulator who's pulling all these strings but likewise dumb and ignorant, etc.

419 Gus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:31:27am

re: #415 ProGunLiberal

They got a Nazi running around killing people. Stop him please.

Could be and it seems to be leaning in that direction. Dr. Matthew Goodwin seems to be looking towards the right especially withing the context of the current election campaigning in France but stated that it's to early to tell. The perpetrator may or may not strike again. He may also very well kill more people and continue to get away.

420 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:33:33am

re: #418 Obdicut

There's lots of contradictory stuff like that. Thinking someone is a tricksy manipulator who's pulling all these strings but likewise dumb and ignorant, etc.

With Bush, I think the rationale was that HE was dumb, but Cheney and his friends pulled the strings.

With Obama, it's mostly that HE'S the evil mastermind. And Biden is dumb, but no one cares if the VP is dumb.

421 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:34:25am

re: #420 SanFranciscoZionist

With Bush, I think the rationale was that HE was dumb, but Cheney and his friends pulled the strings.

With Obama, it's mostly that HE'S the evil mastermind. And Biden is dumb, but no one cares if the VP is dumb.

I thought that was the preferred combination...

423 Gus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:39:27am
424 Lidane  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:40:34am

re: #420 SanFranciscoZionist

With Bush, I think the rationale was that HE was dumb, but Cheney and his friends pulled the strings.

With Obama, it's mostly that HE'S the evil mastermind. And Biden is dumb, but no one cares if the VP is dumb.

Bush made it easy for people to think he was dumb since he had garbled syntax a lot.

It's so weird, though. With Obama, the nutters are convinced that he's either an evil genius with an idiot VP, or he's a completely inept moron who can't get through the day without a teleprompter and who is being propped up by an evil cabal lying to America.

425 Gus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:42:42am

Afghan villagers describe slaying's horror, differ on number involved

Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- In Najabyan village, a visitor's eye is immediately drawn to the turquoise and green sheets blanketing mounds of dirt, and the red, green and gold flag flying above it all.

Those are the only bits of color in the otherwise gray and brown landscape of Afghanistan's Kandahar province.

But underneath the colorful cloth is a stark reminder of a terrible moment in the village's history.

The sheets cover the graves of victims from a March 11 massacre that is being blamed on a U.S. soldier who is accused of sneaking off his base and going on a shooting rampage in the dead of night, killing 16 civilians, including children...

426 allegro  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:44:42am

re: #424 Lidane

Bush made it easy for people to think he was dumb since he had garbled syntax a lot.

That was only one clue. He never excelled in anything, either academically or business. He appeared to be entirely lacking in curiosity about... anything. His only interest seemed to be riding his bike.

427 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:45:34am

re: #426 allegro

That was only one clue. He never excelled in anything, either academically or business. He appeared to be entirely lacking in curiosity about... anything. His only interest seemed to be riding his bike.

Brush clearing.

Although I did once have to defend Bush against some people who seemed to think that clearing brush was practically pathological.

428 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:47:45am

re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist

Brush clearing.

Although I did once have to defend Bush against some people who seemed to think that clearing brush was practically pathological.

Heh. Here in my part of CA, it's the freaking law.

429 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:49:57am

re: #428 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Heh. Here in my part of CA, it's the freaking law.

I think if you're not a Westerner, it seems less routine. Part of his interest in it, IIRC, was that Laura has a project putting native grasses back on their ranch, and of course, you need to clear all the other stuff out of the way. So that was his contribution--he'd clear an area so she could plant it.

430 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:50:35am

re: #428 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Brush clearing is important to deprive fires of their fuel.

431 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:50:44am

Several neo-Nazis were recently dismissed from the 17th Parachute Engineering regiment in Toulouse. This is the same unit as the three soldiers who were killed earlier this week. The shooter in those incidents also wore black, rode a motorbike, and used a .45 caliber handgun.

432 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:50:47am

re: #428 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Heh. Here in my part of CA, it's the freaking law.

Pretty important when my parents lived in Central Oregon outside of Bend.

You wanted the rabbit brush, etc. and any hanging juniper branches trimmed off and burned (when safe to do so). Leaves minimal fuel for a brush fire to use, and keeps it out of the juniper trees if at all possible. You simply want the brush fire to go through fast and low since you're not going to be able to stop it once it gets going.

433 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:52:11am

re: #429 SanFranciscoZionist

I think if you're not a Westerner, it seems less routine. Part of his interest in it, IIRC, was that Laura has a project putting native grasses back on their ranch, and of course, you need to clear all the other stuff out of the way. So that was his contribution--he'd clear an area so she could plant it.

Heh. Surface disturbance in central Oregon was actually frowned upon to a degree. If you broke the "crust" it was much easier for the cheat grass to get started then.

434 Mocking Jay  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:52:17am
435 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:52:21am

re: #431 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

(recycled page comment)
In any case, you can bet your last centime the cashiered Nazis are being rounded up and are now or soon will be in the tender loving care of the French military police. We may get some answers fast. Apparently only one of the rats in directly involved, so the others should spill their guts in short order if they know anything.

436 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:53:53am

re: #430 ProGunLiberal

I forget all the specifics, but I do recall that fire breaks have to be at least 100 feet from your dwelling, if you have that kind of property.

437 jaunte  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:54:38am
438 Lidane  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:55:18am

re: #426 allegro

That was only one clue. He never excelled in anything, either academically or business. He appeared to be entirely lacking in curiosity about... anything. His only interest seemed to be riding his bike.

Well yeah. Even as governor here he lacked any sort of real curiosity. I'm just saying he made it easy for people to think he was an idiot.

The nutters can't decide about Obama, though. Either he's an evil mastermind intent on destroying America or a puppet being propped up by a teleprompter and a cabal.

439 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:56:36am

re: #431 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

It's becoming clear what happened.

440 Mocking Jay  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:57:19am

re: #437 jaunte

Let's not forget the new bill in Tennessee...

A new bill headed for a vote by a Tennessee House committee this week targets abortion providers by requiring the state’s Department of Health to publish detailed information about doctors on a public website.
Known as H.B. 3308, or the “Life Defense Act of 2012,” the bill would not actually level any real “defense” of human embryos. Instead, it would require the Tennessee Department of Health to publish more detailed information about abortions carried out in the state, including the names of doctors who performed them and the hospitals they work with.

It would also require detailed statistics on abortions, including time, date, the woman’s medical conditions at the time, the age of the fetus, the type of procedure performed, the location of the procedure, and the woman’s age, race and marital status, along with details on how many times she has been pregnant.

441 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:57:39am

OT, but we need these in the US, not strip malls.

Grand Bazaar in Istanbul

442 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:59:03am

re: #441 ProGunLiberal

OT, but we need these in the US, not strip malls.

Grand Bazaar in Istanbul

Will you be required to haggle?

443 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:59:07am

re: #440 Meh.

Sounds like Roeder's wish list.

444 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:59:35am

re: #440 Meh.

Let's not forget the new bill in Tennessee...

Basically publish all the information necessary to allow the fanatics to track down and harass all the women and the doctors involved.

And not required for any other medical treatment. Of course.

Spit.

445 Gus  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 10:00:28am
446 jaunte  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 10:01:05am

re: #440 Meh.

A.K.A. the "Tiller-the-Killer Future Assassination Targets" bill.

447 Mocking Jay  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 10:02:04am

re: #445 Gus


Saw that earlier. I'm more disappointed in MSNBC than I am surprised by Fox. I never thought a wrongfully dead black kid would mean anything to them.

448 Mocking Jay  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 10:02:38am

re: #446 jaunte

A.K.A. the "Tiller-the-Killer Future Assassination Targets" bill.

Or as one clever commenter put it...

The list will be known as the Doctor Enhanced Abortion Trace Heuristics List, or DEATH List for short. When asked about the name, state legislators said, “Oh, that’s just an unfortunate coincidence. Nothing meant by it. Really.”

449 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 10:02:49am

re: #442 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Don't know, but it seems to be more personable than the stuff here.

450 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 10:03:54am

re: #440 Meh.

Let's not forget the new bill in Tennessee...

Publish personal medical information! Surely that won't stand the test of right to privacy. They just don't have anything else to waste time on.//

451 Lidane  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 10:04:21am
452 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 10:04:59am

re: #451 Lidane

This is just the Bishops and the Cardinals trying to control people.

453 sagehen  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 10:10:32am

re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist

Brush clearing.

Although I did once have to defend Bush against some people who seemed to think that clearing brush was practically pathological.

It's a good upper-body workout, which he of course needed since bike-riding is all about the thighs and butt.

(also... he wanted to be Reaganesque, but couldn't ride since he was afraid of horses. brush-clearing was the only photo-op that gave him an excuse to wear the boots.)

454 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 10:11:28am

The denialism and rationalization at the Fever Swamp is simply breathtaking, even for them. This post is in response to one that raises the possibility of a right-wing, neo-nazi connection to the Toulouse shootings.

That’s lefty baloney. Lefties always divert probable Muslim terrorist attacks to improbable “right-wing” ones. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Iranians paid the murderer.

This was well AFTER several links had been posted documenting the Muslim names of the murdered soldiers and the earlier dismissal of neo-nazis from the same unit.

455 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 10:12:08am

re: #441 ProGunLiberal

OT, but we need these in the US, not strip malls.

Grand Bazaar in Istanbul

When I was in Istanbul, a local said, "Don't go there, it's just a big tourist trap." I went there, and saw him ducking behind some carpets in the shop he worked at.

456 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 10:14:23am

re: #455 wrenchwench

Not sure what to make of that. I want to visit Istanbul very badly. If I get married, I would want a honeymoon there.

Unfortunately, a close Muslim Friend of mine who married is going to Greece for her Honeymoon. Bleh.

457 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 10:16:55am
458 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 19, 2012 10:17:25am

re: #456 ProGunLiberal

Not sure what to make of that. I want to visit Istanbul very badly. If I get married, I would want a honeymoon there.

Unfortunately, a close Muslim Friend of mine who married is going to Greece for her Honeymoon. Bleh.

Both are wonderful, although the sexual harassment was much worse in Turkey. Don't tell the Greeks, but much of their culture is Turkish, after 'playing host' to them for so long.

Be sure to visit parts of Turkey outside of Istanbul, too.

And don't condemn all Greeks for the grudges you hold....


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