Fox News Commenters React to Trayvon Martin: ‘Good Shot Zimmy’

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I don’t even know what to say about this any more; the comments about Trayvon Martin at Fox News are just unbelievable.

Here’s the article: Department of Justice Opens Investigation Into Case of Black Teenager Killed by Neighborhood Watch Captain | Fox News.

This opens the door for more than 3,000 comments from the Fox News audience, packed with whiny right wing victimhood and overt racism. Again.

What a shame—a tragedy, really— because the dead lil’ gangsta could’ve used “‘A-FIRM-TIV AK-SHUN” to go to kollige an play footballz and make lotsa cash munny!”

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Fast and Furious didn’t work to pass new gun control so now Eric Holder will try the race card.

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No matter how crime figures are massaged by those who want to acknowledge or dispute the existence of a Dirty War, there is nothing ambiguous about what the official statistics portray: for the past 45 years a large segment of bIack America has waged a war of v i o l e n t retribution against white America.

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Zimmerman was attacked by the man and defended himself with a gun. Zimmerman’s wounds were verified by police.

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17 = child. LOL!!!!!!

Let the LIB word games begin.

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Yet the “justice department” refuses to prosecute any voter intimidation that involves a blac k as the intimidator.

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Why should anyone care about this kid? Because he is of color? People don’t value kids period. They are property. BTW, I am a conservative that cares a great deal about kids. We follow hundreds of cases each year, many white babies and children, none of them get attention. But he does??

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Zimmerman felt threatened by Martin’s gang’s actions…this could have possibly lead to these terrible circumstances. Gang violence MUST BE STOPPED OBAMA!

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Blacks can do no wrong, period! That is the DOJ’s excuse for becoming involved. 50+ years of being told they are special and entitled and the gov’t’s only focus is to make it so!!

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In any event, it appears to be a case of one sc u m bag Cuban-type (Zimmerman) offing some scummy b l a ck kid (Trayyy-Vonnnn)…in some trash neighborhood….

but now, because the dead kid’s a kneegrow, we have:

the BIG BAD FBI on this “important” case…and

the usual BLACK-RADICAL-PROTESTERS who can’t mind their own business!

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Gated communities exist because people are afraid….& negros thrive on crime…Look at our prisons.

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Need that too….But Negr0s only have their welfare checks….and in any event can’t follow rules

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What time do the riots start? Gotta get my popcorn and munchies ready for the “hood” burning!

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Funny you never see them rally against the drug dealing murderers that control their neighborhoods. LOL!!!

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How does anyone know what this 17 yr old said, Most likely he threw the race card out ” you stop me because I*M B L ACK” and then became threatning. The media alway plants the seed of doubt when when a B l ac k is sh ot by a caucasian

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maybe his gang brothers incited violence too?

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How’d the kid get into the “gated” community in the first place?

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Them monkeys can jump!

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This is going to be a tough case. gang violence is hard to prosecute. martin’s gang may even want to retaliate. this is scary

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Let’s find out why the “po’ baby” was REALLY there!

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The little thug ghetto monkey should have been home doing his homework, not out gang bangin.

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I’m just glad Zimmerman didnt miss and hit an innocent bystander.

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THIS IS PURE RACIST!! When do you ever see the DOJ investigate the death of a white child??

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This is pure B.S I want to see the kids police record even if something is expounged also why was he removed from facebook it says account terminated.Why because his parents are trying to cover his tracks just like if you hit a bus they see Dollar signs.People have dragged data about Zimmerman out where is the kids past.Don’t say he was a good boy prove it.Ask yourself what is more likely to happen any 17 year old kid when you ask a question.A smartass reply I have never and I mean never seen a teenager run unless he did something wrong.I guess no crinimal has ever cased a place when they went to a store.It takes me aback the way all these facts are quoted by people who read one story on a issue.

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Who says his gang wasn’t hiding near by?

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he could be a good kid, but being in a gang doesn’t help his case

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An unfortunate death, but when will DOJ investigate the death of a Caucsasian?

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Here we go again— a LOCAL law enforcement matter (no federal issues) is being hijacked by the FEDS because the alleged “victim” is bl a c k! We all KNOW this kid was up to no good and now he’s feedin’ worms. Too bad-ha ha ha!

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Last night on CNN Anderson Cooper kept referring to zimmerman as white when he knew he was Hispanic I wonder why

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maybe then the kid was not bIack maybe Hawaiian like tiger woods then we can say s p i c s h o o t s Hawaiian

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This has Bl ack racist Holder and his all bl ack racist “DOJ Civil Rights Div” written all over it.

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Crack Skittles the new disguise

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Skittles actually has a couple slang meanings. Could be referring to recreational usage of Coricidin. Also refers to a male getting lipstick marks from young ladies on the member. Taste the rainbow..

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You think the DOJ or main stream will report zimmerman was Hispanic not White

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That is all it was — just another n i qq er. No loss

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He was slinging crack.

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Is tea and skittles slang for guns and crack.

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Skittles is actually slang for recreational usage of Coricidin.

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This is what happens when you join a gang. kids need to learn from Martin’s mistakes

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They should have a hunting season in Florida for these drug crazed gang members.

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This could have had a tragic outcome. His gun could have jammed. Whew!

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At least he didn’t chain him to the back of his truck?!?!?

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How long will it take to get all of those little blk curly nappys out of the White House bedding so that the next POTUS can sleep without that Creepy Crawly feeling .

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The picture is of an innocent choir boy designed to evoke sympathy for the “victum” and justify the skewed actions of a corrupt department of justice.

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the b!ack community has created a sense of fear with the excessive amounts of cr!me and v!olence and the glamorizing and glorification of cr!mes and v!olence through c rap music (term used lightly) and most are rude, crude, nasty and give others the tough guy BS attitude.You people (term also used lightly) made your beds and now have to lie in them………don’t be angry with us or blame us you did this all on your own.

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Hunting, maybe thinning the herd…

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It is obvious the un-civilized B!ACKS who dwell in the greatist nation on earth have never wanted to be part of the TEAM, they CRY and P!SS and MOAN at every given oportunity about fairness and equality, While lining up for the free ride at welfare.
The United States is cursed with these baboons, Who will never gain the ability to stand up and make it on their own without our help.
They are the eternal retarded stepchild , needfull and helpless until the end of time.

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Now the family of the kid has lost there way out of the ghetto.

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ANOTHER TOOKY WILLIAMS, ABORTED.
GOOD SHOT ZIMMY. lol

OK. That’s all I could take. But the comments like these go on and on and on — there are thousands of them. And many of the ugliest comments received numerous “likes” from other readers.

The right wing base is sick to its core.

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432 comments
1 dell*nix  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:38:50am

I quit watching Fox a couple years ago. Only see it if someone else is watching.

2 AK-47%  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:38:56am

What rare examples of satirical humor. Just good ol' boys having fun and blowing off steam after a hard day's work...

BUT NOT RACISM!!!

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3 diamonda2u  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:39:16am

Have you heard the part of the 911 call where is sounds like Zimmerman says "f'ink coons" under his breath? Right before the dispatcher asked him if he is following the teen.
[Link: www.clickorlando.com...]

right before the 2:20 mark

4 Lidane  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:40:12am

By all accounts, Trayvon Martin was a good kid. Never had legal trouble. Got A's and B's in school. Friendly and sociable with others. Played sports. All he did was walk home from the store with candy and a drink, and he ended up dead.

These Fox commenters are fucked in the head. Sickening.

5 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:40:36am

A kid gets shot walking home from the corner store and these barbarians love it.

Fucking racist scumbags.

6 HAL2010  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:41:09am

I've stopped being surprised anymore. Scumbags.

7 diamonda2u  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:41:25am

re: #3 diamonda2u

Sorry it's just around the 2:20 mark

8 AK-47%  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:41:52am

re: #4 Lidane

re: #5 Kragar

Kid like that could grow up to be President. I guess these bastards would not want to see that happen again...

9 Gus  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:43:01am

I'm not sure whether these comments meet or even exceed Stormfront's standards. I'm leaning towards exceeds Stormfront in the outright racism department. Fox News surely does attract some of the lowest forms of life.

10 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:44:46am

And I see the commenters are struggling between a white defending himself from invisible black gang members and blacks and hispanics both being criminals.

Nice.

11 AK-47%  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:44:59am

If they had any decency they would have closed the thread by now.

12 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:46:21am

re: #11 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

If they had any decency they would have closed the thread by now.

Give them a few minutes. Charles just posted this, so it will take them some time.
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13 JeffM70  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:46:43am

Charles, you fool. All those "comments" are clearly unemployed liberals who have too much time on their hands so they spend it posing as Republicans to make Republicans look bad.

14 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:47:24am

I've changed my posting name back to my registered name. "Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator" just isn't funny anymore. These people are diseased, eaten alive with media mythology and self-serving propaganda.

Imagine you're a black teenager reading this sludge. It's one thing to see it on Storm Front or a KKK site, but this is one of the largest news networks in the world and it reflects the views of the supporting base of one of the two major political parties in this country.

15 bratwurst  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:47:28am

I am pretty sure these commenters are focused on jobs and the economy when they are not praising the shooting of unarmed teenagers.

16 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:47:42am

Between idiots who think Hispanics can't be white, rubes who think that Zimmermans are all Jewish, jaggofs who don't realize Trayvon was a few doors away from his house, and just plain racist assholes, this story has really shown some ugly ignorance afloat in the American sea.

17 nines09  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:48:47am

re: #11 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

If they had any decency they would have closed the thread by now.

It's Fair and Balanced. Nothing was said about decency. /

18 Lidane  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:49:03am

re: #16 Obdicut

That's not ignorance. It's a sign that someone needs to go get the plunger. =P

19 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:50:50am

He walked home from the store with candy and a soda!

With today's obesity crisis, this kind of behavior should be criminal!

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20 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:51:13am

re: #17 Krathing Daeng

It's Fair and Balanced. Nothing was said about decency. /

Sure they're fair and balanced. Birchers, Nazis, neo-Confederates, and garden-variety suburban bigots are all treated with consideration and all get an equal hearing for their views.

21 erik_t  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:51:48am

I honestly thought that the worst response I'd see in any quantity was some form of 'Guy was defending himself, nothing to see here, move along'.

I am a dumbass.

22 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:52:02am

re: #5 Kragar

A kid gets shot walking home from the corner store and these barbarians love it.

Fucking racist scumbags.

For every black parent I've ever worked with, this is the nightmare. Your kid goes out one evening and never comes home, and no matter how good a kid he was, no matter who he was, the world says 'gang-banger' and shrugs, and whoever shot him goes free.

The nightmare became real for Trayvon's parents.

And all these assholes can do is play like the DOJ is persecuting them.

23 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:53:06am

re: #22 SanFranciscoZionist

That he was suspended from school is all some people need to declare him an evil thug rape-fiend.

24 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:53:13am

What makes me both laugh and cry is that many of those posters will claim that they're not racist. Never mind that even with a supposedly race-blind view, Zimmerman still followed, confronted, shot, and killed an unarmed young man that was just walking home from the store. Everything else aside, they're still cheering on someone for having killed a kid.

25 Lidane  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:53:19am

re: #21 erik_t

I honestly thought that the worst response I'd see in any quantity was some form of 'Guy was defending himself, nothing to see here, move along'.

I am a dumbass.

Now we know why Faux News has been ignoring this story. They know their viewers are racist imbeciles and that they'd react accordingly.

26 AK-47%  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:53:37am

re: #22 SanFranciscoZionist

And all these assholes can do is play like the DOJ is persecuting them.

This is another red herring: Federal involvement in a local case for "political reasons".

27 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:54:35am

re: #23 Obdicut

That he was suspended from school is all some people need to declare him an evil thug rape-fiend.

I had a friend who was a National Merit Scholar and the ASB president. He spent the last few months of high school trying really hard to get a suspension because at that point it didn't matter, and he wanted a vacation.

Principal wouldn't give him one.

28 JeffM70  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:55:02am

I guess the only thing that would have made this tragedy more gratifying for these troglodytes was after the hispanic shot the black man, a white officer shot the hispanic.

29 nines09  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:55:03am

re: #20 Shiplord Kirel

Sure they're fair and balanced. Birchers, Nazis, neo-Confederates, and garden-variety suburban bigots are all treated with consideration and all get an equal hearing for their views.

All you have to do is turn on Fox News and watch the seeds be planted. The organization and the people who work it are reprehensible in my humble opinion. This age of TV, radio and Blog hatred will be written in history as a lesson in hate.

30 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:55:18am

re: #23 Obdicut

That he was suspended from school is all some people need to declare him an evil thug rape-fiend.

When their kid is suspended, I bet it's because the principal is a politically correct puppet who hassles the white children, right?

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31 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:55:57am

re: #30 SanFranciscoZionist

Or because they were prevented from praying at school by secular Muslims.

32 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:56:13am

re: #24 Simply Sarah

What makes me both laugh and cry is that many of those posters will claim that they're not racist. Never mind that even with a supposedly race-blind view, Zimmerman still followed, confronted, shot, and killed an unarmed young man that was just walking home from the store. Everything else aside, they're still cheering on someone for having killed a kid.

...

I can't be racist! Sure, the kid was black, but the shooter was a Hispanic Jew!!1!

33 Gus  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:56:48am

re: #23 Obdicut

That he was suspended from school is all some people need to declare him an evil thug rape-fiend.

I read another one this morning claiming that Trayvon was "caught shoplifting" twice. Seriously? Using that as justification for this murder?

34 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:56:53am

Bleah.

Racist haters are scum upon the earth.

I gotta go to work.

These folks would hate my students. They're all the colors of the world, and some of them are even Muslims, and they all sit together at the tables and learn math and reading.

Bwahahahahaha!

35 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:59:23am

Ok! Slightly off topic. I was listening to Rush Limbaugh today driving to the office from the gym in my electric car (yes, I'm an enigma wrapped in a puzzle), and he announced that he was going to be giving away a "Rush" engraved new iPad to a random twitter follower for the next several days.

It would be AWESOME if one of us won a "Rush" iPad!

I wonder if this attempt to buy followers indicates a drop in ratings? I thought, despite the loss of advertisers, that he had more listeners than ever!

[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]

(I should add that I think Rush is a big fat idiot)

36 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:59:40am

re: #33 Gus

I read another one this morning claiming that Trayvon was "caught shoplifting" twice. Seriously? Using that as justification for this murder?

Because that's all they feel they'd need to justify their view that he was just another no good n***er that deserved what he had coming to him.

37 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:59:47am

Santorum Says He Loses the Catholic Vote Because He Only Does 'Well among People who take their Faith Seriously'

Rios: You are doing very well among evangelicals, not so well among Catholics. I have my own theory about that, but I want to know what yours is this.

Santorum: I really wish I could tell you. I think the bottom line is that we do well among people who take their faith seriously, and as you know just like some Protestants, some Protestants are not church going, they are folks who identify with a particular religion but don’t necessarily practice that from the standpoint of going to church and the like, and I think, you know, with folks who do practice their religion more ardently I tend to do well.

Rios: I have to interrupt you, I totally agree. I think you take your faith seriously and for the serious believers, you’e the man.

Yeah, Catholics obviously don't take their religion seriously enough to vote for Rick.
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38 Lidane  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:59:58am

re: #33 Gus

Racists will use any excuse to justify this.

There is no justification for it. Nothing that kid did would merit his getting shot and killed.

39 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:00:37am

re: #35 ReamWorks

Ok! Slightly off topic. I was listening to Rush Limbaugh today driving to the office from the gym in my electric car (yes, I'm an enigma wrapped in a puzzle), and he announced that he was going to be giving away a "Rush" engraved new iPad to a random twitter follower for the next several days.

It would be AWESOME if one of us won a "Rush" iPad!

I wonder if this attempt to buy followers indicates a drop in ratings? I thought, despite the loss of advertisers, that he had more listeners than ever!

[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]

It should be engraved into the screen.
/

40 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:00:48am

re: #37 Kragar

I take my faith very seriously! And I wouldn't vote for Sanatorium.

41 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:02:19am

Trayvon Martin’s Last Phone Call, Moments Before Tragic Death, Undermines Account Killer Gave To Police

In a cell phone call moments before his death, Trayvon Martin told a teenage girl he “was being hounded by a strange man on a cellphone who ran after him, cornered him and confronted him.” The girl recounted the call, which is confirmed by phone logs, to ABC News:

“He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man,” Martin’s friend said. “I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run.”

Eventually he would run, said the girl, thinking that he’d managed to escape. But suddenly the strange man was back, cornering Martin.

“Trayvon said, ‘What, are you following me for,’ and the man said, ‘What are you doing here.’ Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell.

42 Lidane  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:02:55am

re: #37 Kragar

Santorum Says He Loses the Catholic Vote Because He Only Does 'Well among People who take their Faith Seriously'

Yeah, Catholics obviously don't take their religion seriously enough to vote for Rick.
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He's talking about the "cafeteria Catholics" that fundies like him despise, who use birth control, and are pro-choice, and actually don't hate gays, and who don't take the Vatican seriously.

Funny how people who live in the real world don't like Santorum.

43 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:03:31am

I just checked. He has a paucity of followers. 126,000 or so. Compare to Snooki's 4.6 Million. There is HOPE for America.

44 HAL2010  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:03:48am

re: #42 Lidane

He's talking about the "cafeteria Catholics" that fundies like him despise, who use birth control, and are pro-choice, and actually don't hate gays, and who don't take the Vatican seriously.

Funny how people who live in the real world don't like Santorum.

Like the 98 % of Catholic women who use some form of birth control. What a class A douche.

45 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:04:08am

re: #42 Lidane

He's talking about the "cafeteria Catholics" that fundies like him despise, who use birth control, and are pro-choice, and actually don't hate gays, and who don't take the Vatican seriously.

Funny how people who live in the real world don't like Santorum.

Yeah, those atheistic, up-to-date Vatican II Catholics.

46 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:04:18am

re: #41 Kragar

It's hard to perfectly hear what Zimmerman mutters under his breath, but it does sound like 'fucking coons', too.

47 Lidane  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:04:30am

re: #41 Kragar

Trayvon Martin’s Last Phone Call, Moments Before Tragic Death, Undermines Account Killer Gave To Police

All the more reason for Zimmerman to be in jail.

Everything about this story points to a crazed racist vigilante with Dirty Harry fantasies following, threatening, and killing an unarmed kid who just went to the store for candy and a drink.

48 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:05:00am

re: #42 Lidane

Actually, I think fundies hate all catholics, just as they hate Mormons. But they pretend to cooperate when working toward a common goal, like fighting same-sex marriage.

49 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:05:17am

re: #42 Lidane

He's talking about the "cafeteria Catholics" that fundies like him despise, who use birth control, and are pro-choice, and actually don't hate gays, and who don't take the Vatican seriously.

Funny how people who live in the real world don't like Santorum.

Cafeteria Catholics? They're only Catholics in the cafeteria? Must be school cafeterias.

"Dear God, please make this food taste better than it looks, because it looks nasty."

50 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:05:49am

These people are going to get violent if Obama is re-elected. Not all of them, or even very many, too many of them have too much to lose. The marginal ones, the fringe-dwellers and outlaws, the conspiracy fantasists, the broken personalities; are going to go bug-fuck crazy. That would still be many thousands.

All the memes are there: White victimology, black thuggery, welfare fraud, fake voters, Black Panther intimidation. The bat guano base will feel absolutely no obligation to accept the voice of the people and no set of facts will persuade them to do so.
Count on it.

51 Lidane  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:05:54am

re: #48 ReamWorks

Well, true. But Santorum is a Catholic fundie, so he hates what he considers "cafeteria Catholics" even more, since as far as he's concerned, they don't take their faith seriously.

52 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:06:15am

re: #46 Obdicut

It's hard to perfectly hear what Zimmerman mutters under his breath, but it does sound like 'fucking coons', too.

The part where he says "They always get away" is clear as a bell. To me, he made up his mind right there "they" weren't going to get away this time.

53 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:06:40am

re: #51 Lidane

Sorry, I forgot! That means he's only pretending to like Protestant Evangelicals.

54 Lidane  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:07:05am

re: #49 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Cafeteria Catholics? They're only Catholics in the cafeteria? Must be school cafeterias.

"Dear God, please make this food taste better than it looks, because it looks nasty."

Haha, no. It means that just like when you go to a cafeteria and you pick and choose what you want to eat, Cafeteria Catholics pick and choose what parts of the Church to listen to. Fundamentalist Catholics like Santorum hate that.

55 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:08:33am

re: #41 Kragar

Trayvon Martin’s Last Phone Call, Moments Before Tragic Death, Undermines Account Killer Gave To Police

Hey man, Zimmerman had wounds on his face, the cops confirmed it! Clearly self-defense, case closed!

56 celticdragon  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:08:38am
OK. That’s all I could take. But the comments like these go on and on and on — there are thousands of them. And many of the ugliest comments received numerous “likes” from other readers.

Go to any news report where cops shoot, taze or beat down an African American and you see exactly the same comments. I was horrified to see what people wrote when Mobile police pepper sprayed and tasered a retarded deaf man (with the mind of a 10 year old) who had stomach cramps in a bathroom.

People loved it. It was sickening.

57 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:08:51am

Ah, professional sports, always such a boon to the local economy...

After Using Over $500 Million In Taxpayer Money To Build Sports Stadiums, Cincinnati Forced To Sell Off Local Hospital

Officials in Hamilton County, Ohio are preparing to sell off a local hospital at half its 2006 value, then raid the county’s rainy day fund, all in order to help pay for Cincinnati’s boondoggle stadium deal.

The stadium deal, struck in 1996, built separate new facilities for the NFL’s Cincinnati Bengals and the MLB’s Cincinnati Reds, but ended up costing local taxpayers far more than initially anticipated. The final bill to the county came in at $540 million, more than double its initial budget. The Wall Street Journal called the project “one of the worst professional sports deals ever struck by a local government—soaking up unprecedented tax dollars and county resources while returning little economic benefit.”

This year, Hamilton County is facing a $1.4 million budget deficit, largely due to debts incurred from the stadium deal. As a result, county officials are taking drastic steps to cover the shortfall, including selling a physical rehabilitation hospital for far less than it’s valued and withdrawing money from their rainy day fund.

58 erik_t  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:08:54am

re: #54 Lidane

Haha, no. It means that just like when you go to a cafeteria and you pick and choose what you want to eat, Cafeteria Catholics pick and choose what parts of the Church to listen to. Fundamentalist Catholics like Santorum hate that.

Combination of faith and thought. It's downright heretical.

59 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:09:23am

re: #52 Kragar

He may have, at that point, only been entertaining a fantasy of holding the kid until the cops get there-- which would have made him liable for a crime, too.

60 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:09:45am

Search Twitter for Zimmerman / Jewish and this is what you get, x 100000

(Most "Zimmerman" are Lutheran. Jews that have this name, in fact, likely tried to make their Jewish name sound more pleasing to Americans when they emmigrated and changed it.)

Here's another one

It seems that the solution to problems in America, for blacks or whites, is to blame the Jews, and that's just scary.

61 Bulworth  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:12:34am

re: #51 Lidane

Well, true. But Santorum is a Catholic fundie, so he hates what he considers "cafeteria Catholics" even more, since as far as he's concerned, they don't take their faith seriously.

According to Santo: "Taking faith seriously" = "They think whatever their bishop/priest tells them to think."

62 Bulworth  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:14:29am
Rios: I have to interrupt you, I totally agree. I think you take your faith seriously and for the serious believers, you’e the man.

I don't know how Santo does it, handling these brutally tough interviews. //

63 Ming  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:15:25am

On the 911 tapes, Zimmerman says that he is FOLLOWING Martin. The 911 operator tells Zimmerman that they "don't need you to do that". Zimmerman never says he stopped following Martin. It would appear that he continued to follow Martin. I hope this undercuts the claim of self-defense.

Since the right wing is "tough on crime", they'd be all in favor of prosecuting Zimmerman, right?

64 AK-47%  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:17:02am

re: #37 Kragar

Santorum Says He Loses the Catholic Vote Because He Only Does 'Well among People who take their Faith Seriously'

Yeah, Catholics obviously don't take their religion seriously enough to vote for Rick.
/

98% of Catholic women "do not take their faith seriously" when it comes to contraception...

65 mikec6666  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:18:00am

sick sick sick -- can you even imagine the anger callousness it takes to post some of that stuff? i can't -- and i consider myself pretty hotheaded

66 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:18:56am

real brave people posting from behind a keyboard.

67 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:19:30am

Meaning the neanderthals at Fox...

68 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:19:39am

re: #63 Ming

On the 911 tapes, Zimmerman says that he is FOLLOWING Martin. The 911 operator tells Zimmerman that they "don't need you to do that". Zimmerman never says he stopped following Martin. It would appear that he continued to follow Martin. I hope this undercuts the claim of self-defense.

Since the right wing is "tough on crime", they'd be all in favor of prosecuting Zimmerman, right?

Of course not, they couldn't care less if Martin's dead, he's just another statistic to them. They only care now because the DoJ's getting involved, which they think has "politics" written all over it. If anything, they'd probably be more pissed off had Zimmerman been arrested.

69 dragonath  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:20:25am

re: #57 Kragar

The city of Montreal came to the opposite decision when it came to the Expos. The mayor said he couldn't in good faith fund a new stadium as long as hospitals were facing a shortfall.

I loved the Expos, but it was really a no brainer. The Expos owners ended up buying the Marlins, who easily blackmailed the Miami local government.

"When the end of the world comes, I want to be in Cincinnati because it’s always 20 years behind the times." - Mark Twain

70 jaunte  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:21:18am
71 JeffM70  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:21:33am

re: #63 Ming

Actually at least one Republican state legislator has said that the fact Zimmerman followed Martin contradicts an act of self-defense.

72 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:21:51am

re: #68 Targetpractice

Of course not, they couldn't care less if Martin's dead, he's just another statistic to them. They only care now because the DoJ's getting involved, which they think has "politics" written all over it. If anything, they'd probably be more pissed off had Zimmerman been arrested.

...

It's that damn black attorney general, stickin' up for the black kid. What did he ever do for white people? He wants to take our guns away!!!11!

73 AK-47%  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:23:39am

re: #63 Ming

On the 911 tapes, Zimmerman says that he is FOLLOWING Martin. The 911 operator tells Zimmerman that they "don't need you to do that". Zimmerman never says he stopped following Martin. It would appear that he continued to follow Martin. I hope this undercuts the claim of self-defense.

Since the right wing is "tough on crime", they'd be all in favor of prosecuting Zimmerman, right?

This is the ugly side of it: bad enough regarding the shooting, but I am not sure which is the bigger scandal, the shooting or how the police blithely refused to deal with it in a serious manner.

74 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:23:58am

Extremists Go To ‘War’ In The Arizona Desert

In just the past few years alone, federal agents in Arizona have gone on a hunt for a man who claimed to have littered the desert with explosive devices. They have been told a Minuteman-style organization planned to shut down a major freeway. They have discovered a bomb planted along a known smuggling route. And more recently, a militia group has talked openly about buying a tank to combat what it calls “narco terrorism” flowing across the border.
—

In a way, authorities were lucky they stopped Harbin when they did. He was 150 miles north of the US-Mexico border when he was pulled over on Jan. 14, 2011, in a pickup truck near his hometown of Apache Junction, Ariz., a sleepy exurb on the far eastern edge of metropolitan Phoenix.

Harbin was an active member of the National Socialist Movement, the largest neo-Nazi group in the United States, and was known to don the organization’s full dress uniform: black pants, black shirt, swastika armband and helmet emblazoned with the white letters SS to mimic the look of Hitler’s army.

More than six months before his arrest, members of the National Socialist Movement were spotted in plain clothes at a Tea Party rally in the Phoenix suburbs, passing out fliers that called for landmines to be placed along the US-Mexico border.

“We all should be actively advocating daily to mainstream America the most humane, non-racist, fair border security plan available,” the fliers said. “Namely, A MINEFIELD!”

75 Gus  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:24:30am

re: #70 jaunte

Does Fox News sell their mailing list to the KKK or is that the other way around?

//

76 Achilles Tang  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:24:59am

re: #54 Lidane

Haha, no. It means that just like when you go to a cafeteria and you pick and choose what you want to eat, Cafeteria Catholics pick and choose what parts of the Church to listen to. Fundamentalist Catholics like Santorum hate that.

Are you really suggesting that Santorum doesn't pick and choose his parts?/

77 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:26:37am

re: #33 Gus

I read another one this morning claiming that Trayvon was "caught shoplifting" twice. Seriously? Using that as justification for this murder?

The key piece of evidence that will break this case wide open is finding out what his parent's counter tops are composed of.
///

78 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:27:32am

re: #73 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

This is the ugly side of it: bad enough regarding the shooting, but I am not sure which is the bigger scandal, the shooting or how the police blithely refused to deal with it in a serious manner.

From all appearances, the cops tried to cover this up from the word "Go." The motivation behind that is still in question, whether it be to avoid actually having to investigate and possibly arrest Zimmerman only to watch the case tossed on "self-defense" grounds or something darker, we'll have to wait and see.

79 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:28:09am

re: #46 Obdicut

It's hard to perfectly hear what Zimmerman mutters under his breath, but it does sound like 'fucking coons', too.

It shouldn't be assumed to be the case though, especially since when we've already seen the interpretation before the sound and it cannot fail but influence our perception.

80 Simply Sarah  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:28:44am

re: #73 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

This is the ugly side of it: bad enough regarding the shooting, but I am not sure which is the bigger scandal, the shooting or how the police blithely refused to deal with it in a serious manner.

Right. I mean, it would have been one thing if the police had handled this like they should have and it just turned out that Florida's ridiculous "stand your ground" law had prevented a successful prosecution. That would have still been outrageous, but that would be on Zimmerman and the ones that passed the law.

Instead, we got the SOP for when a black guy is shot, especially when the shooter isn't black. Yep, nothing to see or worry about here!

81 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:29:51am

re: #79 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

Yep. He might have been saying 'shoes' or something, too.

82 jaunte  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:30:52am

Five Prosecutors Who Warned Of The Law Protecting Trayvon Martin's Killer

In a 2005 interview with UPI, former prosecutor and Democratic state representative Dan Gelber warned of the bill, which he voted against:

"Two people in an altercation, that happens every day. Someone thinks you're looking at their wife the wrong way, somebody spills coffee on you, someone bumps into you, someone cuts you off, then all of a sudden they're in a fight... Do we tell those people that they're supposed to walk away or do we tell them that you're supposed to stand your ground and fight to the death?"
...
In 2006, Paul A. Logli, president of the National District Attorneys Association, said of such laws:

They're basically giving citizens more rights to use deadly force than we give police officers, and with less review.

83 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:32:15am

7.2 mag quake in Acapulco
[Link: content.usatoday.com...]

84 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:33:44am


How to Get Away With Murder and Other Things the Killing of Unarmed Black Teen Trayvon Martin Teaches Us

The linkage to other incidents in Florida, and even in Sanford proper, is stomach-curdling.

85 JeffM70  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:36:02am

re: #84 The Ghost of a Flea

The most extreme example of this law is the one where rival gang members were shooting at each other and a bystander was killed in the crossfire. The gang members all plead self-defense and the judge dismissed the case.

86 Bulworth  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:41:09am

re: #56 celticdragon

Go to any news report where cops shoot, taze or beat down an African American and you see exactly the same comments. I was horrified to see what people wrote when Mobile police pepper sprayed and tasered a retarded deaf man (with the mind of a 10 year old) who had stomach cramps in a bathroom.

People loved it. It was sickening.

If people are going to cheer on the pepper spraying and tasering of a retarded deaf man then you know how unrestrained they'll be on the case in FL.

These are no doubt many of the same people angry about the "war on religion", that prayer isn't allowed in school, that pro-gay groups can meet on campus, etc.

87 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:41:24am

re: #33 Gus

I read another one this morning claiming that Trayvon was "caught shoplifting" twice. Seriously? Using that as justification for this murder?

Probably.

The fact that Zimmerman would have no way of knowing, or that lethal force isn't a fair response to shoplifting, don't matter. The pseudo-logic is that if the victim--already suspect for not being The Right Kind of Person (black, not of the neighborhood)--has any spots on their past, then it mitigates the wrongdoing of the shooter. If he's done anything wrong, ever, he had it coming.

88 jaunte  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:45:07am

re: #87 The Ghost of a Flea

I think if Trayvon had been a white kid the Fox news commenters would be calling for the head of the Hispanic vigilante assassin with a record of assaulting police officers.

89 dragonath  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:45:40am

It would have taken about 10 seconds of thinking to come to the conclusion that there were huge problems with the law as it stands in Florida. The lawmakers are practically, and willfully negligent.

90 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:46:56am

The idea that the guy in the car stalking the kid, after he was told not to follow him by the police, was acting in self defense, is a fucking joke.

"Yeah officer, I felt threatened by the kid, so I followed him in my car for a good 10 minutes, then, still feeling threatened, I got out of my car so I could see where I was, because my windows weren't working."

Maybe child molesters could tell the police they were protecting their candy stash in their van when a kid attacked them and they acted in self defense too.

91 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:47:47am

re: #74 Kragar

Extremists Go To ‘War’ In The Arizona Desert

So good, I Paged it! (Earlier.) Click the nic for the full collection...

92 AK-47%  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:48:13am

re: #89 Beware the Green Dragon!

It would have taken about 10 seconds of thinking to come to the conclusion that there were huge problems with the law as it stands in Florida. The lawmakers are practically, and willfully negligent.

Whatever drawbacks there were to the law, it had one big advantge in their eyes: it went down well with their electorate.

93 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:48:41am

re: #74 Kragar

Extremists Go To ‘War’ In The Arizona Desert

A war between MS13 and white supremacists/nativists couldn't possibly spill over and create masses of collateral damage. ///

These militia types don't know what they're getting into. And because deep down they're both incompetents and cowards, eventually they'll fuck up so bad that lots of people will die and law enforcement will have to clean up their mess.

94 diamonda2u  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:51:22am

re: #90 Kragar

BINGO!!!

95 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:53:13am

I've been away for a bit, has Killgore Trout declared yet that we don't know all the facts yet about Trayvon's death, there's probably something more to it, and we need to all stop getting so upset about an outrageous outrage?

96 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:53:36am

re: #90 Kragar

The idea that the guy in the car stalking the kid, after he was told not to follow him by the police, was acting in self defense, is a fucking joke.
"Yeah officer, I felt threatened by the kid, so I followed him in my car for a good 10 minutes, then, still feeling threatened, I got out of my car so I could see where I was, because my windows weren't working."
.

To me that is the key point. As a "defender" you don't pursue the problem. Ever. You do as you are told and trained. All you do is help the cops a little. That's it.

97 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:55:12am
98 erik_t  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:55:50am

re: #95 Shvaughn

I've been away for a bit, has Killgore Trout declared yet that we don't know all the facts yet about Trayvon's death, there's probably something more to it, and we need to all stop getting so upset about an outrageous outrage?

As I recall, Zimmerman's 40-odd 911 calls this year indicate that he's not crazy, or something.

I've only been skimming.

99 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:56:39am

re: #95 Shvaughn

I've been away for a bit, has Killgore Trout declared yet that we don't know all the facts yet about Trayvon's death, there's probably something more to it, and we need to all stop getting so upset about an outrageous outrage?

I thought you already downdinged those comments yesterday ;)

100 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:58:14am

As I mentioned earlier I posted to that thread dissing the racist slime and when I hit post I got a pop up saying that my post was awaiting moderator approval.

WTF???? If these are all moderator approved then what the hell is going on at Fox? Someone has to sit there and actively let this stuff go up under their names?

That's even worse - that says Fox KNOWS AND CONDONES this racist language.

101 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:59:14am

re: #100 William Barnett-Lewis

Possibly because you're a new user?

102 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:59:23am

re: #99 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

I thought you already downdinged those comments yesterday ;)

KT's comments all blur together for me, I forget which outrageous outrage he's condemning at any given moment. Was it Planned Parenthood vs. Komen or Trayvon Martin or some rapey Tea Party guy? Hard to keep track.

103 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:59:34am

re: #88 jaunte

I think if Trayvon had been a white kid the Fox news commenters would be calling for the head of the Hispanic vigilante assassin with a record of assaulting police officers.

I don't have the perfect word for it, but it's almost caste-based thinking in the most formal, literal-reading-of Laws of Manu, early Hindu sense of the word caste.

The entirety of humanity is set into hierarchical tiers of deserving-ness on the basis of multiple trait variables--race, income, nationality. With a quick check of the hierarchy tables, you can rapidly ascertain who's really at fault....

104 compound_Idaho  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:01:06pm

Magnitude 7.6 - OAXACA, MEXICO
2012 March 20 18:02:48 UTC

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

105 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:02:59pm

re: #104 compound_Idaho

Magnitude 7.6 - OAXACA, MEXICO
2012 March 20 18:02:48 UTC

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

YOW. That's not good.

106 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:03:42pm

re: #101 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

Possibly because you're a new user?

It's a DISQUS blog. I don't use that account much but I have a few comments here and there in it. I doubt that's the case.

107 compound_Idaho  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:05:29pm

March 19,2012
OAXACA, Mexico - The elder daughter of U.S. President Barack Obama is spending her spring break in the historic Mexican city of Oaxaca in the company of 12 friends, a state police official said.

[Link: www.montrealgazette.com...]

108 Michael McBacon  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:06:24pm

re: #100 William Barnett-Lewis

As I mentioned earlier I posted to that thread dissing the racist slime and when I hit post I got a pop up saying that my post was awaiting moderator approval.

WTF??? If these are all moderator approved then what the hell is going on at Fox? Someone has to sit there and actively let this stuff go up under their names?

That's even worse - that says Fox KNOWS AND CONDONES this racist language.

Yeah. Is it just me or do most Right-wing/libertarian "free speech" advocates only defend statements from the loudest, most blatant psychopaths in the white "majority"?

109 zora  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:06:32pm

re: #95 Shvaughn

I've been away for a bit, has Killgore Trout declared yet that we don't know all the facts yet about Trayvon's death, there's probably something more to it, and we need to all stop getting so upset about an outrageous outrage?

yes he has. yesterday.

110 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:06:48pm

re: #95 Shvaughn

I've been away for a bit, has Killgore Trout declared yet that we don't know all the facts yet about Trayvon's death, there's probably something more to it, and we need to all stop getting so upset about an outrageous outrage?

We don't have to do this on every thread, do we?

111 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:08:04pm

re: #110 wrenchwench

We don't have to do this on every thread, do we?

You're right, we don't. Consider me chastised.

112 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:08:53pm

re: #107 compound_Idaho

March 19,2012
OAXACA, Mexico - The elder daughter of U.S. President Barack Obama is spending her spring break in the historic Mexican city of Oaxaca in the company of 12 friends, a state police official said.

[Link: www.montrealgazette.com...]

I hope she and her friends are okay.

113 Bulworth  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:08:57pm

OT: apparently the latest RWNJ uproar concerns the fact that one of the president's daughters is in Mexico. It's super controversial because....

114 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:11:05pm

Here come the wingnuts:

115 abolitionist  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:12:59pm

re: #46 Obdicut

It's hard to perfectly hear what Zimmerman mutters under his breath, but it does sound like 'fucking coons', too.

Head phones help. It's about 1 second before Zimmerman's "handler" asks, Are you following him?

116 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:13:27pm

re: #113 Bulworth

OT: apparently the latest RWNJ uproar concerns the fact that one of the president's daughters is in Mexico. It's super controversial because...

she brings the earthquakes where she walks, obviously.

117 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:13:33pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

Here come the wingnuts:

MBFs UNITE!

118 Bulworth  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:14:08pm

re: #116 Obdicut

she brings the earthquakes where she walks, obviously.

they were upset about the Mexico trip before the earthquake. For some reason.

119 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:14:29pm

re: #113 Bulworth

OT: apparently the latest RWNJ uproar concerns the fact that one of the president's daughters is in Mexico. It's super controversial because...

An Alex Jones patriot spells it out, with a mere gap to defeat Jones's filter (such as it is):

EVERYONE IS BROKE AND THE N** ***S ARE ON VACATION.(asterisks added here).

120 dragonath  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:14:46pm

Man, Santorum looks like a mega-asshole now for "worrying" about Obama's daughters. I hope they're okay.

121 BongCrodny  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:15:16pm

It's probably dangerous to ascribe motives, but the stories I've read on the Martin shooting indicate that Zimmerman wanted to be a cop. He plea bargained his assault-on-a-cop charge to the point where his record was considered clean. Still, that's probably going to set off huge red flags for any type of law enforcement job Zimmerman may have wanted to pursue.

I'm not saying that Zimmerman wanted to kill Martin, but it wouldn't surprise me if his mind set was "if I can take down one of these guys they'll have to let me in."

122 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:15:56pm

Rick Santorum says it's an outrage that Malia is vacationing in Mexico.

123 Bulworth  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:17:38pm

The sooner we can stop obsessing about where and when the president (D or R) and their families go on vacation, the better off we'll be as a nation.

124 BongCrodny  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:17:41pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

Here come the wingnuts:

Worst sitcom ever.

125 erik_t  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:19:09pm

re: #117 Kragar

MBFs UNITE!

It's no longer even necessary to magically balance things with cherry-picked examples. One now need only allude to the possibility of a MBF existing in order to invoke the balancing.

Let's dig through liberal-website comment sections? Sure, let's.

126 Bulworth  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:19:54pm
RT @RBPundit: In case you were wondering, yes, @Lizardoid's day consists of going through the comments section at Foxnews sites. #LGFblo ...

So the rest of us don't have to.

127 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:19:58pm

Apparently the person that Trayvon was on the phone with has issued a statement.

From the link:

The girl relayed the conversation in an interview with a lawyer:

He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man...I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run.

Trayvon said, 'What, are you following me for,' and the man said, 'What are you doing here.' Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again and he didn't answer the phone.

128 AK-47%  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:20:38pm

re: #95 Shvaughn

I've been away for a bit, has Killgore Trout declared yet that we don't know all the facts yet about Trayvon's death, there's probably something more to it, and we need to all stop getting so upset about an outrageous outrage?

My outrage at this point involves the way the local police handled it. I will postpone and further outrage until the rest of the facts are in...

129 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:20:44pm

re: #104 compound_Idaho

That's not going to end well. WHERE IS THE US MEDIA COVERAGE?!?!

Also, this thread is being followed by the goons at Something Awful.

130 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:21:28pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

Here come the wingnuts:

says the expert who's never given someone a job application RT @Lizardoid: Breitbart's followers say: If you're Hispanic, you're not "White"

Actually, the applications say "White, non-Hispanic." Putting down "Hispanic" on a job application does not exclude being white.

131 bluecheese  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:21:50pm

re: #79 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

It shouldn't be assumed to be the case though, especially since when we've already seen the interpretation before the sound and it cannot fail but influence our perception.

id love to hear alternative theories as to what he said.


the "fuckin" part is quite clear...... care to offer up some ideas other than "coons"?

132 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:21:56pm

re: #129 ProGunLiberal

That's not going to end well. WHERE IS THE US MEDIA COVERAGE?!?!

Dude, it just happened, and I see coverage of it everywhere. Are all caps really necessary?

133 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:22:51pm

re: #113 Bulworth

OT: apparently the latest RWNJ uproar concerns the fact that one of the president's daughters is in Mexico. It's super controversial because...

she isn't drunk and laying on the bar floor like the Bush twins?

134 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:22:55pm

re: #132 Obdicut

Dude, it just happened, and I see coverage of it everywhere. Are all caps really necessary?

RAndOm CaPS aRE muCh MorE EfFiciEnt.

135 spiderx  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:23:03pm

Larry Elder: Trayvon Martin case a civil matter not criminal one. Unbelievable.

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]

136 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:23:52pm

Racist piece of shit Brooks Bayne just linked to a McDonald's job application to prove that "Hispanic" is a racial classification.

Notice that the application says "Race/Ethnicity". These people are just dumb as posts.

137 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:23:55pm

re: #131 bluecheese

id love to hear alternative theories as to what he said.

the "fuckin" part is quite clear... care to offer up some ideas other than "coons"?

Anglophone users suggested "punks" and "shoes". But I really don't have to offer alternatives to what cannot be clearly heard.

138 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:23:58pm

re: #132 Obdicut

Dude, it just happened, and I see coverage of it everywhere. Are all caps really necessary?

An hour and twenty minutes ago. The media swarms are converging on Oaxaca as we speak. Some of them are probably already in Acapulco.

139 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:24:31pm

re: #137 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

Anglophone users suggested "punks" and "shoes". But I really don't have to offer alternatives to what cannot be clearly heard.

FTAF!

140 erik_t  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:24:39pm

re: #132 Obdicut

Dude, it just happened, and I see coverage of it everywhere. Are all caps really necessary?

Above-the-scroll top-level stories on CNN.com, MSNBC.com, ABCNews.com, news.bbc.co.uk, CBSNews.com, and a lower-level 'urgent' story on FoxNews.com.

But, y'know, caps.

141 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:24:53pm

re: #134 Kragar

Edit: Filter here hates l337., I claim oppression and censorship.

142 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:25:14pm

re: #138 Shiplord Kirel

An hour and twenty minutes ago. The media swarms are converging on Oaxaca as we speak. Some of them are probably already in Acapulco.

I follow at least five people in Mexico who are Tweeting the heck out of it.

143 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:25:46pm

re: #141 Obdicut

|)()||-|- ///|

(V)(;,,;)(V)

144 erik_t  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:26:21pm

re: #143 Kragar

(V)(;,,;)(V)

Once again the conservative sandwich-heavy portfolio pays off for the hungry investor!

145 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:27:57pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

Racist piece of shit Brooks Bayne just linked to a McDonald's job application to prove that "Hispanic" is a racial classification.

Notice that the application says "Race/Ethnicity". These people are just dumb as posts.

MacDonald's: the preferred arbiter of ethnic and racial paradigms; vastly superior to the US Census office.

146 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:28:47pm

re: #145 The Ghost of a Flea

Bayne likes MacDonalds. I'm just sayin'.

147 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:28:59pm

re: #132 Obdicut

Caps because I am tweaked at US Media. I have some issues with how they cover things.

148 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:29:21pm

re: #147 ProGunLiberal

Okay, well, in this case I have no idea what you're talking about, since it's getting coverage everywhere.

149 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:33:13pm
150 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:33:46pm

Here's what's on the Black Blogosphere.

Black bloggers say that "Jew" Zimmerman gets away with murder. (FACT: He's NOT JEWISH! He's not HALF JEWISH! Most "Zimmermans" are Lutheran.)

Charles: I don't think that focusing on Fox hate tells the whole story. Look how hateful this video is. But this commentary is even worse because it drags in completely innocent parties.

Youtube Video
152 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:34:25pm

re: #148 Obdicut

Good then.

153 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:34:32pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

Racist piece of shit Brooks Bayne just linked to a McDonald's job application to prove that "Hispanic" is a racial classification.

Notice that the application says "Race/Ethnicity". These people are just dumb as posts.

Holy cow! The nebbish either didn't look at it himself or he thinks the wingnut faithful will just take his word for it. McD's actually has a whole heading for "Hispanic" and a second one for "non-Hispanic" with all the conventional racial designations (white, black, etc.) under "non-Hispanic."
Image: Capturejjj.JPG

154 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:35:15pm

re: #150 ReamWorks

Fuck, this is terrible indeed. They're inciting people.

155 mr.fusion  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:36:13pm

Saw this post when it first went up.....came back here to LGF fully expecting an update saying the comments were disabled over at FOX, or that some other measure had been taken to stop these people from commenting.

Just shocked that FOX hasn't done anything to temper these comments /////

156 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:36:20pm

re: #150 ReamWorks

Really? The whole "black blogosphere" is antisemitic?

You sure that's what you want to say? The video you linked to has all of 400 views on YouTube.

157 jaunte  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:37:28pm

I don't see any significant black commentators blaming Jews for the Martin shooting.

158 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:37:52pm

re: #151 Kragar

in the ratings war, no matter who wins, we all lose....

//

159 jaunte  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:39:44pm

Trayvon Martin
[Link: twitter.com...]

160 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:39:52pm

re: #150 ReamWorks

how long did you have to dig to find that?

161 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:41:27pm

just listened to the recording of Zimmerman calling 9-11 where he appears to say "fuckin coons", in fact he doesn't appear to say it, he says it.

162 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:41:38pm

re: #121 BongCrodny

I suspect speculate it went like this-He confronted the kid and they fought. Zimmernan started to take a beat down and pulled the gun and shot. What sucks here is we will never know what was in his head or exactly what happened.

Too much missing data. No video etc. No good witnesses. But one thing I am utterly certain of. The lack of video etc will not stop any of the pundits, the racists, the pro gun/ccw guys, the anti gun/ccw guys. Everyone is calling this some kind of indication they were right all along.

Some of them are right. But which?!

163 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:42:00pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

Racist piece of shit Brooks Bayne just linked to a McDonald's job application to prove that "Hispanic" is a racial classification.

Well there's an authoritative source for you.

*snicker*

164 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:42:45pm

re: #157 jaunte

We're comparing random comments on Fox, though, not significant commentators at the moment.

I've seen people-- not just black people-- jump to the assumption that Zimmerman was a Jew. Antisemites will jump off on shit like this.

However, it's still silly to say the Black blogosphere is doing it.

The Very Smart Brothas aren't.

[Link: verysmartbrothas.com...]

A belle in Brooklyn isn't.

[Link: www.abelleinbrooklyn.com...]

I haven't found one yet who has.

165 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:43:20pm

re: #162 Daniel Ballard

Anyone saying that you shouldn't follow someone while armed and confront them is right.

166 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:43:38pm

re: #149 wrenchwench

I'm glad Malia and her classmates are safe.

167 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:45:43pm

Not a single post about Trayvon Martin on Hot Air's front page.

They're avoiding the subject because they know what their commenters will do.

168 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:45:45pm

re: #150 ReamWorks

Here's what's on the Black Blogosphere.

Black bloggers say that "Jew" Zimmerman gets away with murder. (FACT: He's NOT JEWISH! He's not HALF JEWISH! Most "Zimmermans" are Lutheran.)

Why didn't you provide links to "the Black Blogosphere" where they're saying this?

169 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:46:02pm

Also, don't follow them while you're not armed and confront them, either. Call the cops. Warn your neighbors if you want. But don't think that you get to be the cops.

170 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:46:24pm

It would be foolish to deny that there's some virulent anti-semitism in the black community, but I haven't seen any signs that it's widespread. And a You-tube video that's seen by a few hundred people isn't the same as a news channel seen by millions.

171 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:46:39pm

re: #161 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

just listened to the recording of Zimmerman calling 9-11 where he appears to say "fuckin coons", in fact he doesn't appear to say it, he says it.

I've re-listened on full volume and it's still unclear to me. Sounds more like "corpse", "coats" or "copes". Yes, I know, nonsensical, but in fact it doesn't sound to me like he is saying the -oo- sound, more like -oa-/-ou-.

172 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:46:54pm

re: #168 Shvaughn

Here's a mainstream site, Topix:

[Link: www.topix.com...]

173 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:47:11pm

re: #150 ReamWorks

OK, I just took a look at about 20 African American blogs, and didn't find a single one who's blaming Jews for this incident. Not one.

174 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:48:02pm

re: #173 Charles Johnson

Well, that's good. I guess I'm overreacting.

175 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:48:06pm

re: #172 ReamWorks

Here's a mainstream site, Topix:

[Link: www.topix.com...]

That's an aggregator. They'll pick up anything from anywhere.

176 Ming  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:49:31pm

re: #71 JeffM70

Actually at least one Republican state legislator has said that the fact Zimmerman followed Martin contradicts an act of self-defense.

I am very, very glad to hear that. Thanks to that Republican legislator.

If our country is ever to move past this dreadful state of our politics, we need prominent people, from both the left and the right, to call out the mistakes from "their own side". I'm glad that this Republican legislator has done this on the right. I could be wrong (I hardly ever watch his show anymore), but I believe Bill Maher is a good example of calling out some excesses of the left.

We need A LOT more of this, from both sides. It's not a sign of weakness, and it doesn't hurt "your cause".

177 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:49:46pm

re: #172 ReamWorks

Here's a mainstream site, Topix:

[Link: www.topix.com...]

How is that "the black blogosphere"?

178 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:49:52pm

re: #172 ReamWorks

Topix isn't a black blogging site, though.

179 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:52:29pm

re: #178 Obdicut

and how does he even know the person who posted, with that title, is black.

180 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:54:23pm

and by reading the comments on that site it looks like those commenting are a bunch of white supremacists, of course without pictures I can't tell.

181 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:55:37pm

I've just listened to the phrase at full volume for several dozens of times and it just doesn't sound like "coons" to me.

182 AK-47%  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:55:54pm

This is absolute red herring city.

The main issue here involves the local police department and how they handled the case.

183 diamonda2u  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:58:09pm

re: #131 bluecheese

Sounds like coons but hey I'll play the "guess what Zimmerman really said game"?

Ummm... koos? kooms? kootz...

umm... coons

184 Sionainn  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:58:45pm

re: #150 ReamWorks

Here's what's on the Black Blogosphere.

Black bloggers say that "Jew" Zimmerman gets away with murder. (FACT: He's NOT JEWISH! He's not HALF JEWISH! Most "Zimmermans" are Lutheran.)

Charles: I don't think that focusing on Fox hate tells the whole story. Look how hateful this video is. But this commentary is even worse because it drags in completely innocent parties.

[Embedded content]

That guy has a screw loose.

185 jaunte  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:59:31pm

Meanwhile the Daily Caller's big Breitbart-provided outrage is also a gun story.
Everyone's upset that Eric Holder thought it might be healthier if we tried to make kids feel less cool about having them:

Over the weekend, Breitbart.com discovered a 1995 CSPAN video in which Holder — then the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia — advocated using anti-smoking campaigns as a model for an anti-gun campaign.

“What we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people, and make it something that’s not cool, that it’s not acceptable, it’s not hip to carry a gun anymore, in the way in which we’ve changed our attitudes about cigarettes,” Holder said.

Holder explained that he wanted to use influential figures like then-Washington, D.C. Mayor Marion Barry and the Rev. Jesse Jackson, as well as widely watched TV shows like “The Fresh Prince of Bel Air” and “Martin,” to forward his anti-gun campaign. He sought to push that same agenda through public schools as well, “every day, every school, at every level.”

186 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 12:59:42pm

re: #183 diamonda2u

Sounds like coons but hey I'll play the "guess what Zimmerman really said game"?

Ummm... koos? kooms? kootz...

umm... coons

prunes. He was having constipation issues.
/

187 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:00:22pm

re: #186 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste


He might have been saying something else. I can't tell. I'm not sure there's any way to prove it definitively.

188 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:00:35pm

re: #183 diamonda2u

Sounds like coons but hey I'll play the "guess what Zimmerman really said game"?

Ummm... koos? kooms? kootz...

umm... coons

Could be "it's fucking close" or "he's fucking close". He certainly utters some syllable before "fucking".

189 abolitionist  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:02:27pm

re: #121 BongCrodny

It's probably dangerous to ascribe motives, but the stories I've read on the Martin shooting indicate that Zimmerman wanted to be a cop. He plea bargained his assault-on-a-cop charge to the point where his record was considered clean. Still, that's probably going to set off huge red flags for any type of law enforcement job Zimmerman may have wanted to pursue.

I'm not saying that Zimmerman wanted to kill Martin, but it wouldn't surprise me if his mind set was "if I can take down one of these guys they'll have to let me in."

Listen to the 4th of seven 911/police audio tapes here: [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

I get a very strong sense that "one officer there" (repeated about 3 times by the female 911 responder) and "guy on top with a white t-shirt" (female caller)

are both references to the same person --the "fuckin' coons" vigilante, Zimmerman.

190 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:04:42pm

Tenther PA Senate Hopeful Believes Federal Highways Are Unconstitutional

ROHRER: Over time, over the last many generations, the federal government — seeking to grow, as most governments tend to grow — have become increasingly involved in activities that have been reserved to the states, being involved in such things as education, or health care, or for that matter even highways and roads. A great many things the federal government has increasingly passed laws, appropriated tax dollars which are yours and mind, and attempted to force the states to implement laws for which then the federal government essentially has control, so today we spend billions of dollars in this commonwealth in education and welfare that are put upon us, effectively, by the federal government. The states being enticed by the monies.

Later in the video, he opines that the 10th amendment “says we are a sovereign state first of all. Federal government, do not any longer tell us or entice us to go in a direction for which we cannot afford to go nor properly should go.”

191 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:04:49pm

re: #189 abolitionist

We really shouldn't call him the 'fucking coons' vigilante when it's not definite that that's what he said.

192 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:05:14pm

re: #186 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

prunes. He was having constipation issues.
/

Or being dive bombed by large birds .... Fucking Loons

193 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:05:56pm

re: #191 Obdicut

We really shouldn't call him the 'fucking coons' vigilante when it's not definite that that's what he said.

Yep.

194 abolitionist  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:06:54pm

re: #191 Obdicut

We really shouldn't call him the 'fucking coons' vigilante when it's not definite that that's what he said.

I listened to the tape multiple times, with headphones. I'm sure.

195 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:07:17pm

re: #63 Ming

Since the right wing is "tough on crime", they'd be all in favor of prosecuting Zimmerman, right?

Except for the fact that they don't regard this murder as a crime, yes.

Crime is what liberals and other enemies of America do. What they do is necessary and good.

196 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:07:48pm

NOM’s Brown Claims Gay Rights Advocates Want to Take Away Opponents’ Right to Vote

Opposition to gay marriage is not rooted in fear and hate as supporters suggest, Vander Plaats said, but rather love and religious truth. He also lashed out at the notion of “marriage equality” as a slippery slope toward no restrictions on relationships whatsoever.

“If we want marriage equality, let’s just stop for a second. Why stop at same-sex marriage? Why not have polygamy? Why not have a dad marry his son or marry his daughter? If we’re going to have marriage equality, let’s open this puppy up and let’s have marriage equality,” he said. “Otherwise, let’s stick to the way God designed it – one man and one woman, period.”

Referring to Senate Democrats’ refusal to advance the amendment and clear the way for a statewide vote, National Organization for Marriage President Brian Brown invoked Martin Luther King, Jr., to suggest that it was the opponents of same-sex marriage whose civil rights were threatened.

“We hear that this is about civil rights, and that those of us who oppose the redefinition of marriage are somehow bigots,” Brown said. “And yet, what Dr. Martin Luther King called the most important civil right – the right to vote – these very same folks are trying to deprive us of this right.”

197 erik_t  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:07:53pm

re: #191 Obdicut

We really shouldn't call him the 'fucking coons' vigilante when it's not definite that that's what he said.

'Zimmerman' seems like a perfectly acceptable descriptor.

198 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:08:32pm

re: #194 abolitionist

I listened to the tape multiple times, with headphones. I'm sure.

And Sergey listened multiple times, and isn't.

And I listened multiple times, and I'm not sure.

Maybe you're right. Maybe you're wrong. What do you gain by labeling him like that?

199 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:09:38pm

re: #194 abolitionist

I listened to the tape multiple times, with headphones. I'm sure.

I don't think anyone can be sure about words uttered under breath on a bad quality record esp. under influence of a pre-existing interpretation.

I would like to say I'm pretty sure it wasn't any word ending with "-oons", but I'm not even sure of that, only that the youtube version doesn't say that.

200 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:09:43pm

re: #162 Daniel Ballard

I suspect speculate it went like this-He confronted the kid and they fought. Zimmernan started to take a beat down and pulled the gun and shot.

Zimmerman outweighed the kid by 110 lbs. Unless the kid was some kind of jujitsu grand master Zimmerman didn't take any beat down, he delivered it, panicked and then executed the only eye witness.

201 diamonda2u  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:11:23pm

re: #200 goddamnedfrank

Listening to one of the callers to 911 after the shooting, she clearly says she see the guy in white tshirt (Zimmerman) on top of someone else.

202 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:11:47pm

re: #198 Obdicut

Remember how someone heard "fuck the Jews" in an OWS YT clip? Which turned out to be pretty innocent? ;)

203 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:12:21pm

re: #199 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

I don't think anyone can be sure about words uttered under breath on a bad quality record esp. under influence of a pre-existing interpretation.

I would like to say I'm pretty sure it wasn't any word ending with "-oons", but I'm not even sure of that, only that the youtube version doesn't say that.

Disagree. He clearly said coons.

204 jaunte  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:12:22pm

Fox News (just received in my email) sticking to the really big story:
Image: Screen_shot_2012-03-20_at_3.08.41_PM.jpg

205 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:12:41pm

re: #203 goddamnedfrank

Disagree. He clearly said coons.

Disagree. He didn't clearly say that.

206 abolitionist  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:13:10pm

re: #198 Obdicut

And Sergey listened multiple times, and isn't.

And I listened multiple times, and I'm not sure.

Maybe you're right. Maybe you're wrong. What do you gain by labeling him like that?

Only specificity. I'd considered saying just Zimmerman.

207 diamonda2u  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:13:16pm

re: #204 jaunte

LOL

208 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:13:42pm

re: #203 goddamnedfrank

Disagree. He clearly said coons.

Okay, but since you probably acknowledge both Sergey and I are reasonable people, and we don't hear it, there's room for doubt, right?

209 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:13:53pm

re: #122 Shvaughn

Rick Santorum says it's an outrage that Malia is vacationing in Mexico.

210 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:14:10pm

re: #206 abolitionist

Only specificity. I'd considered saying just Zimmerman.

Especially since you're repeating an ethnic slur over and over, I'd go with Zimmerman.

211 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:14:40pm

re: #208 Obdicut

That is, I don't hear it definitely. It sounds like it, but I couldn't say for sure.

212 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:15:51pm

re: #200 goddamnedfrank

I guess my big point is we don't know. But small guys can and do beat down big guys. No black belt required. Just a bit of luck or street fighting experience from coming up in a tough area. You can guess I can guess. But we do not know.

Anyway getting a punch to the nose is no reason to grab a gun. It's reason to flee. And call those cops again on speed dial.

213 AK-47%  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:16:13pm

re: #122 Shvaughn

Rick Santorum says it's an outrage that Malia is vacationing in Mexico.

I am not that bored, but it would a good idea to go and research to find out where Bush's (I and II) and Reagan's kids went on vacation...just to make sure that no foreign destinations were involved...

214 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:19:02pm

I'm not buying the "coons" thing, for the [not exactly scientific] reason that nobody under the age of 80 uses it for any reason. It's about like calling someone a "palooka" and really meaning it fer reals.

215 abolitionist  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:19:21pm

re: #210 Obdicut

Especially since you're repeating an ethnic slur over and over, I'd go with Zimmerman.

One time. My 1st reference (in prev thread) was racist epithet.

216 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:20:12pm

Here's the recording with the possible racial slur:

MP3 Audio

I listened to it several times with headphones, and the only thing I'm sure about is "these fucking..." The next word is too noisy and distorted for me to be sure what it is.

It is possible that he said "coons," but I can't say it's definite.

217 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:20:26pm

re: #215 abolitionist

One time. My 1st reference (in prev thread) was racist epithet.

I mean, if you referred to him like that every time. Anyway.

218 diamonda2u  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:20:27pm

re: #214 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

Umm... sorry that don't even make sense and yes, ppl use the word coon today and they are under 80... geesh

219 neilk  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:21:47pm

In a development which surely has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this article, Romney declined to answer a question on Trayvon Martin at a press conference(?) today.

220 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:22:25pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

Here's the recording with the possible racial slur:

[Embedded content]I listened to it several times with headphones, and the only thing I'm sure about is "these fucking..." The next word is too noisy and distorted for me to be sure what it is.

It is possible that he said "coons," but I can't say it's definite.

Or "He's...". Maybe even something else.

221 diamonda2u  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:22:27pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

I can agree with that... it sounds like "coons" but I can not be 100% sure. The experts will have to decide this one and I am sure they will since this is making the rounds of FB and Twitter now.

222 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:22:40pm

re: #209 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

I never thought I'd see the day when I regarded David Frum as a good hearted person.

223 dragonath  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:22:53pm

I wonder if Santorum would have said the same kind of thing if Obama's daughters had gone to, say, Puerto Rico. When he started the campaign I never thought of him as particularly racist but his outright pandering to the nutters has been revolting.

224 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:23:19pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

Here's the recording with the possible racial slur:

[Embedded content]I listened to it several times with headphones, and the only thing I'm sure about is "these fucking..." The next word is too noisy and distorted for me to be sure what it is.

It is possible that he said "coons," but I can't say it's definite.

Can't we press some magic "Enhance" button on our computers to make it super clear? I'm sure I've seen that on teevee.

225 Interesting Times  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:23:41pm

re: #214 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

I'm not buying the "coons" thing, for the [not exactly scientific] reason that nobody under the age of 80 uses it for any reason. It's about like calling someone a "palooka" and really meaning it fer reals.

LOL you forgot "Young" Republicans:

Two minutes later, Piker posted again saying “Obama Bin Lauden [sic] is the new terrorist… Muslim is on there side [sic]… need to take this country back from all of these mad coons… and illegals.”

Eight minutes after that, at 2:02, Shay weighed in on Piker’s comments: “You tell em Eric! lol.”

Image: audrashay.jpg

226 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:24:01pm

re: #224 Shvaughn

Can't we press some magic "Enhance" button on our computers to make it super clear? I'm sure I've seen that on teevee.

Ah, like that button that zooms you in HD mode into a blurry mess of pixels? ;)

227 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:24:19pm

re: #224 Shvaughn

Can't we press some magic "Enhance" button on our computers to make it super clear? I'm sure I've seen that on teevee.

Youtube Video
228 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:24:40pm

re: #226 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

Ah, like that button that zooms you in HD mode into a blurry mess of pixels? ;)

Exactly! That button.

229 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:25:03pm

OK, well, I guess I'm not up to speed on my racists.

I wonder if he'll claim he actually said "blah people".

230 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:25:36pm

re: #229 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

OK, well, I guess I'm not up to speed on my racists.

I wonder if he'll claim he actually said "blah people".

He said the suspect was near...

231 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:25:43pm

Ummm... I'm not a veterinarian, but I think that horse is dead.

232 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:26:20pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

Here's the recording with the possible racial slur:

[Embedded content]I listened to it several times with headphones, and the only thing I'm sure about is "these fucking..." The next word is too noisy and distorted for me to be sure what it is.

It is possible that he said "coons," but I can't say it's definite.

Okay who has sound software? I got Soundboard at home, I might be able to clean that up. But maybe someone with protools can clean it up sooner?

233 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:26:45pm

re: #228 Shvaughn

Exactly! That button.

Here you are:

Youtube Video
234 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:26:51pm
235 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:26:58pm

re: #232 Daniel Ballard

Okay who has sound software?

The DoJ and the FBI.

236 diamonda2u  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:27:43pm

re: #225 Interesting Times

re: #229 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

Good one, don't give him any ideas

237 Interesting Times  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:30:37pm

Speaking of earthquakes...

238 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:31:21pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

Here's the recording with the possible racial slur:

[Embedded content]I listened to it several times with headphones, and the only thing I'm sure about is "these fucking..." The next word is too noisy and distorted for me to be sure what it is.

It is possible that he said "coons," but I can't say it's definite.

Import into Adobe Soundbooth -> Clean Up Audio -> Noise -> "Reduction" = 80% & "Reduce by" 25 db.

Then: Clicks & Pops -> Click/Pop = 50%

Then: Rumble -> Remove ≤ 10 Hz.

Reduce noise further if you're still not sure.

239 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:31:23pm

Stand Your Ground fathers: Trayvon Martin's killer should likely be arrested, doesn't deserve immunity

The fathers of Florida’s controversial Stand Your Ground law implicated in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin say the man who shot him to death probably should be arrested and doesn’t deserve a self-defense claim of immunity.

Former state Sen. Durell Peaden and current state Rep. Dennis Baxley say the law they passed in 2005 was designed to protect citizens by giving them the right to “meet force with force.”

Both men say they don’t know all the facts of Trayvon's case. But, they say they believe the law would not allow a person like George Zimmerman to pursue and confront a person like Trayvon and then use deadly force. Zimmerman has not been charged.

“They got the goods on him. They need to prosecute whoever shot the kid,” said Peaden, a Crestview Republican who sponsored the deadly force law in 2005. “He has no protection under my law.”

Hm.

240 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:32:29pm

re: #238 goddamnedfrank

Oh, I'm sure an audio can be tampered into hearing various things.

241 diamonda2u  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:33:43pm

re: #240 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

So did the authorities/911 put that statement in there? Cause it is in every audio clip out there...

Just saying if it was cleaned up to add Zimmerman saying something that ppl can't ascertain, then it was done by the local authorities prior to releasing

242 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:34:04pm

re: #241 diamonda2u

So did the authorities/911 put that statement in there? Cause it is in every audio clip out there...

Excuse me?

243 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:34:10pm

re: #239 Shvaughn

Stand Your Ground fathers: Trayvon Martin's killer should likely be arrested, doesn't deserve immunity

Hm.

Oh, another RINO.
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244 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:34:38pm

re: #240 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

Oh, I'm sure an audio can be tampered into hearing various things.

Noise removal isn't adding anything to the signal, it's a valid forensic technique.

245 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:34:52pm

re: #240 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

Oh, I'm sure an audio can be tampered into hearing various things.

Hang on that's not tampering. Noise filters don't change words.

246 bluecheese  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:35:23pm

re: #240 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

Oh, I'm sure an audio can be tampered into hearing various things.

you're twisting yourself into pretzels here.

y'all know what he said.

keep it up, it's funny.

247 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:35:32pm

re: #244 goddamnedfrank

Noise removal isn't adding anything to the signal, it's a valid forensic technique.

I've no idea if you're doing it right and not creating an unintentional artifact in the process though.

248 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:36:08pm

Nokia issues patent for vibrating tattoos

Cell phone company Nokia has issued a patent for a material that could be attached to human skin and would vibrate to alert the wearer of an incoming call or text message.

The Wall Street Journal reports the patent application filed by Nokia last September would create, "a material attachable to skin, the material capable of detecting a magnetic field and transferring a perceivable stimulus to the skin, wherein the perceivable stimulus relates to the magnetic field."

249 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:36:18pm

Better get David John Oates on the case!

If human speech is recorded and played backwards, mixed amongst the gibberish at regular intervals can be heard very clear statements. These statements usually appear in short sentence form and are nearly always related to the forward speech. It appears constantly throughout language, so much so in fact, that it is believed to be a natural part of our speech processes.

The pioneer and 20 year veteran of this field, Australian David John Oates, describes Reverse Speech as another form of human communication. He states that language is bi-level, forward and reverse. As the human brain constructs the sounds of speech, it forms those sounds in such a way that two messages are delivered simultaneously. One forwards, which is the conscious mind speaking, and the other in reverse, which is the unconscious mind speaking.

250 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:36:47pm

re: #246 bluecheese

you're twisting yourself into pretzels here.

y'all know what he said.

keep it up, it's funny.

Well, he doesn't appear to have said "coons" if we judge by the available record (which may not be of the original quality). Otherwise, we don't know what he said.

251 steve_davis  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:37:13pm

The entertaining part about all of this is that under the Stand Your Ground law, the kid had every right to stand and defend himself, which makes Zimmerman easily guilty of murder.

252 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:37:29pm

re: #248 Kragar

Interesting...I can see how this could go weird.

253 bluecheese  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:38:02pm

re: #250 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

lol

254 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:38:19pm

re: #252 ProGunLiberal

Interesting...I can see how this could go weird.

Palm tattoos....

255 diamonda2u  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:38:21pm

re: #242 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

Just hinting at what goddamnedfreak is saying reference a forensic technique about cleaning up audio (cleaning noise out).

256 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:38:31pm

re: #253 bluecheese

lol

Troll.

257 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:39:30pm

re: #255 diamonda2u

Just hinting at what goddamnedfreak is saying reference a forensic technique about cleaning up audio (cleaning noise out).

No, you wrote:

So did the authorities/911 put that statement in there? Cause it is in every audio clip out there...

Did anybody suggest anything like that for you to bring this up?

258 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:39:32pm

re: #247 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

I've no idea if you're doing it right and not creating an unintentional artifact in the process though.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I have a M.S. in photography and used to work in a forensics lab, I know how to handle digital data (even audio)without tampering with admissibility. I've laid out my methodology, you're free to go purchase Soundbooth and recreate the technique if you want.

259 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:39:40pm

re: #255 diamonda2u

Just hinting at what goddamnedfreak is saying reference a forensic technique about cleaning up audio (cleaning noise out).

Sure. But goddamnefrank, much as I like him, isn't, to my knowledge, a forensic technician.

And you definitely can make words sound like other words by using filters.

260 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:40:03pm

re: #178 Obdicut

Topix isn't a black blogging site, though.

Also, take on step back and check out the "Brevard County Forum" that the specific page is posted in

(I can't see a specific poster name...or is "Brevard County Forum" a name? I can't tell.... Correcion: Brevard County Forum is an assembly of posters that share stories, if I'm perceiving this correctly) Correction of correction: Topix is an aggregator--however, the narrow band of poster and commenter names suggest this is an internet enclave that communicates, not just a sampling from all of the web.

Somebody has huge issues with Jews, as evidenced by dozens, if not a hundred out of a hundred, posts with antisemitic content and/or comments. Note: I'm not going to go through the other 4,420 with full diligence, but this is a community of posters that accept antisemitism, big-government conspiracies, Holocaust denial and general defense of Nazis, racism, homophobia, as well as believe in the "War on Christianity" and "liberals are secret Communists." A sampling--I literally can't sort them because so many contain one or more of the above:

Hate Crimes Really Jewish Insurance Scams
Is Rick Santorum a Marrano?
Bill Mick is a Communist
Jews love Obama
Are you sick of the lying Kosher Media?
Brevard pelted with Chemtrails Jan 1
Jews did Mumbai, too
Obamas Cabinet 70% Jewish 30% Non White
Schvartzers Riot in the Gay Capital
A Mengele Story (Suggests Mengele was framed)
Jew Caught Drawing Swastikas Again
The Black Death and the Jews 1348-1349 (guess)
Camel Milk in the Ice Cream (The Jews are forcing camel milk into foods because it's kosher)
The Gifts of Alfred Kinsey (Jew) (Kinsey was influenced by Nazis and Aleister Crowley, and his work is part of the mind controlling of modern US citizens)
Inside the Mind of Behr Jew Breivik (Breivik was a Jew, or pro Jewish. The poster condemns Spencer, Geller, et al for being allies of the Jews)
The Military Wants Ron Paul (Who will save us from Jewish economic terrorism)
End the Jew Fed and the Jew Media
Jesus in the Talmud (Jews stole the Old Testament and deliberately misinterpret it)
The Muslims Jews Love (Jews have let Hindus and Muslims into the country so that they can dominate the hotel and gas station industries and help bring down America)
Occupy Sukkot on Wall Street (Occupy is full if Bolsheivik Jews! Wall Street is full of Jew crooks! Jews have religious laws that permit the bilking of Christians)

That's just a cross section of the first three pages. General themes include: all war and terrorist violence is caused by Jews, famous murderers like Loughner and Breivik are Jews, Jews engage in pedophilia and white slavery, Obama is a Jewish pawn, Jews promote homosexuality, the Holocaust was faked, everybody who isn't Christian is in league with the Jews, the Jews aren't the "real" people of the old Testament (guess who is...), blacks are also awful, everybody Tea Party is a Jewish pawn, anti Catholic statements.

There's also the ugly reaction to a post titled "Henry Ford makes up a Jewish Conspiracy" where the initial post mocks the antisemites.

These are bad crazy people, but I don't see any references whereby they can be labeled as African American--quite the contrary, a dislike of blacks is a undercurrent to the copious antisemitism.

261 Lidane  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:41:20pm

Alaska Rep. Alan Dick (R-Dick): Women Need Paternal Permission for An Abortion

State Representative Alan Dick (the jokes write themselves) doesn’t think that a woman’s pregnancy is really “her pregnancy” and would have “a little more peace” about this nasty abortion business if the impregnator was required to consent to the impregnatee’s decision to terminate the pregnancy.

What. The. FUCK.

262 diamonda2u  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:41:40pm

re: #259 Obdicut

I'm not saying he is an EXPERT, just that it is a technique experts use...geesh ppl, go get a beer.

263 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:41:42pm

re: #200 goddamnedfrank

Zimmerman outweighed the kid by 110 lbs. Unless the kid was some kind of jujitsu grand master Zimmerman didn't take any beat down, he delivered it, panicked and then executed the only eye witness.

Let me back up my contention that it's not that cut and dried. Given the big weight advantage, how do we explain his injuries? Self inflicted?

[Link: www.break.com...]

264 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:42:36pm

re: #262 diamonda2u

I'm not saying he is an EXPERT, just that it is a technique experts use...geesh ppl, go get a beer.

No thanks. And what I'm saying is maybe the word is 'coons', maybe it isn't. What exactly is the problem with that?

265 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:43:06pm

re: #258 goddamnedfrank

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I have a M.S. in photography and used to work in a forensics lab, I know how to handle digital data (even audio)without tampering with admissibility. I've laid out my methodology, you're free to go purchase Soundbooth and recreate the technique if you want.

First of all I had no idea where you worked before this comment, and second, me recreating the procedure doesn't really prove squat about the procedure itself.

266 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:44:30pm

Giving the benefit of the doubt for a second, that maybe he said goons (with a hard k sound, but whatever) the police operator immediately responds with "are you following him?" Indicating that whatever he said was audible enough to alarm the operator.

267 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:44:54pm

re: #261 Lidane

Alaska Rep. Alan Dick (R-Dick): Women Need Paternal Permission for An Abortion

What. The. FUCK.

Douchebag.

268 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:45:14pm

re: #266 goddamnedfrank

Maybe you can post the audio you cleared?

269 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:45:21pm

re: #266 goddamnedfrank

No, it doesn't indicate he alarmed her, it might have just occurred to her what the jackass was doing and then she asked.

270 bluecheese  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:46:21pm

re: #263 Daniel Ballard

Let me back up my contention that it's not that cut and dried. Given the big weight advantage, how do we explain his injuries? Self inflicted?

[Link: www.break.com...]

sometimes, being big aint so bad either.

Youtube Video
271 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:46:23pm

re: #261 Lidane

Alaska Rep. Alan Dick (R-Dick): Women Need Paternal Permission for An Abortion

What. The. FUCK.

Only way I'd ever even consider such an idea would be if refusal to consent to the abortion made the man 100% legally responsible for that child, with long jail sentences for deadbeats.

272 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:47:18pm

re: #271 Targetpractice

and if he had to compensate her for all medical expenses, and pay her the same fee a surrogate gets. Actually, no, there's just no way it's a workable idea.

273 diamonda2u  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:47:24pm

re: #264 Obdicut

No one is saying there is a problem with that... again, calm down ppl and get something to chill on

274 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:48:15pm

re: #273 diamonda2u

No one is saying there is a problem with that... again, calm down ppl and get something to chill on

Why do you think people aren't calm?

275 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:48:21pm

re: #270 bluecheese

Of course, I'm saying it's not a valid assumption that the big guy wins. Crap I used to win often enough against bigger guys with about the same training to void the assumption.

276 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:48:25pm

re: #269 Obdicut

No, it doesn't indicate he alarmed her, it might have just occurred to her what the jackass was doing and then she asked.

Him, the operator is a man.

277 diamonda2u  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:48:29pm

Later, got a son to worry about who might get shot for walking while black from his job.

278 Lidane  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:48:29pm

Rick Santorum: President Obama Shouldn’t Let Daughter Go To Mexico (VIDEO)

Rick Santorum said President Obama set a bad example and potentially endangered American tourists by letting his daughter Malia go to Mexico on a spring break vacation.

Santorum told Glenn Beck that an American president should not send his own family into the area given State Department travel warnings for Mexico.

“What I would say is that the president’s actions should reflect what his administration is saying,” Santorum said in a phone interview with Beck. “If the administration is saying that it’s not safe to have people down there, then just because you can send 25 Secret Service agents doesn’t mean you should do it. You should set an example. I think that’s what presidents do. They set an example. And when the government is saying this is not safe, then you don’t set the example by sending your kids down there.”

279 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:48:43pm

re: #261 Lidane

Alaska Rep. Alan Dick (R-Dick): Women Need Paternal Permission for An Abortion

What. The. FUCK.

From the RH Reality Check version of that:

Think it couldn't happen? Ohio tried it in 2009.

Other victories include shooting down some more outrageous roadblock bills such as the "paternal consent" bill introduced by State Rep. John Adams, R-Sidney. The bill, which gained little traction in the legislature, would have required women to obtain permission from the biological father before having an abortion, and, in cases of more than one partner, the woman must provide a full list of men with whom she had sex. Women who lied about the identify of the potential father or doctors who aborted without permission from the father would be prosecuted.

The bill was shot down as too extreme. Then again, once upon a time not allowing exceptions for rape and incest victims was considered "too extreme" too, and now it's becoming the norm.

280 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:48:43pm

re: #271 Targetpractice

Only way I'd ever even consider such an idea would be if refusal to consent to the abortion made the man 100% legally responsible for that child, with long jail sentences for deadbeats.

Of course, what if the guy said "its not mine"? Is she supposed to wait on a paternity test?

281 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:49:10pm

re: #274 Obdicut

Why do you think people aren't calm?

You're disagreeing.
/

282 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:50:38pm

re: #280 Kragar

Of course, what if the guy said "its not mine"? Is she supposed to wait on a paternity test?

Wrenchwench pretty much killed that idea dead with her find. There's no way I could ever agree to such a law.

283 jaunte  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:51:00pm

Fox Nation, Trolling for racist comments again:
Obama's Executive Order Authorizes Peacetime Martial Law

(Not sure why they think an AK47 illustrates the concept)

284 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:51:26pm

re: #276 goddamnedfrank

Him, the operator is a man.

Thanks, but do you get my point? I also think that 911 operator put it way too softly when he said "we don't need you to do that", instead of "stop doing that right now."

285 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:51:44pm

re: #278 Lidane

Just for fun let's look at part of that warning, LOL @ Santorum

General Conditions:

Millions of U.S. citizens safely visit Mexico each year for study, tourism, and business, including more than 150,000 who cross the border every day. The Mexican government makes a considerable effort to protect U.S. citizens and other visitors to major tourist destinations, and there is no evidence that Transnational Criminal Organizations (TCOs) have targeted U.S. visitors and residents based on their nationality. Resort areas and tourist destinations in Mexico generally do not see the levels of drug-related violence and crime reported in the border region and in areas along major trafficking routes.

286 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:52:26pm

re: #282 Targetpractice

Wrenchwench pretty much killed that idea dead with her find. There's no way I could ever agree to such a law.

Then my work here is done!

Except for maybe Paging the source that RH Realitycheck used.

287 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:53:55pm

re: #283 jaunte

Fox Nation, Trolling for racist comments again:
Obama's Executive Order Authorizes Peacetime Martial Law

(Not sure why they think an AK47 illustrates the concept)

No, It’s Not Martial Law, It’s Preparedness

The Defense Production Act has been in effect since the Truman Administration, and authorizes the President to direct private business to allocate resources to national defense as needed in a time of national emergency. Since the end of the Cold War, if not before, the Act has been used primarily to use DOD contracting practices to direct investment in new technologies that would be used for defense purposes, however it still requires the Executive Branch to at least plan for the possibility of allocating resources for national defense in the event of a national emergency in much the same way that rationing was implemented during World War II. Now, fortunately, we have not faced a national emergency of that type in the 50-odd years that the DPA has been in effect but that doesn’t mean that such an eventuality, brought about by either international crisis or natural disaster, should not be planned for. Despite that it was released as part of the “Friday Document Dumps” that have become all too common in official Washington, that appears to be all that this Executive Order is about.

As for the Executive Order itself, Ed Morrissey notes that all it really appears to do is update very similar EO’s that were issued by President’s Reagan and Bush 41, and their Executive Orders appear to do nothing more than mimic Orders issued by Presidents going all the way back to Franklin Roosevelt:

288 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:54:37pm

re: #284 Obdicut

Thanks, but do you get my point? I also think that 911 operator put it way too softly when he said "we don't need you to do that", instead of "stop doing that right now."

Yeah, but you have the benefit of hindsight. The operator didn't know the dude would go and murder him.

289 jaunte  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:56:00pm

re: #287 Kragar

ihmah 1 day ago in reply to sd_conservative
What people do not know is BO is not planning on using the American military. He knows they would not go along with his demands. I have heard people saying there have been military from Russia and other communist countries quietly coming into the country so when martial law is enforced the foreign troops will follow through with the orders.

Wolverine!

290 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:56:18pm

re: #288 Shvaughn

Yeah, but you have the benefit of hindsight. The operator didn't know the dude would go and murder him.

Sure, I know. I'm not saying the operator should be punished or anything, just that if you're a 911 call and you get someone saying that they're following someone, you should probably tell them not to rather than using the vague phrase 'we don't need you to do that', which might make a dude who's a wanna-be cop just more amped up. anyway, it's a minor point, just another way this tragedy might have been averted.

291 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:56:43pm

re: #289 jaunte

Wolverine!

WHULBEREEENS!!!!

292 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:57:22pm

re: #278 Lidane

Rick Santorum: President Obama Shouldn’t Let Daughter Go To Mexico (VIDEO)

I will never, for the life of me, understand why the First Family's vacations are a source of so much hate and "disapproval."

293 jaunte  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:58:14pm

re: #292 Targetpractice

Blowing the "shiftless" dogwhistle.

294 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:58:43pm

Doctor calls for civil disobedience of intrusive ultrasound laws

Fellow physicians, once again we are being used as tools to screw people over. This time, it’s the politicians who want to use us to implement their morally reprehensible legislation. They want to use our ultrasound machines to invade women’s bodies, and they want our hands to be at the controls. Coerced and invaded women, you have a problem with that? Blame us evil doctors. We are such deliciously silent scapegoats.

It is our responsibility, as always, to protect our patients from things that would harm them. Therefore, as physicians, it is our duty to refuse to perform a medical procedure that is not medically indicated. Any medical procedure. Whatever the pseudo-justification.

It’s time for a little old-fashioned civil disobedience.

295 Lidane  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:58:54pm

re: #292 Targetpractice

I will never, for the life of me, understand why the First Family's vacations are a source of so much hate and "disapproval."

Because people are stupid.

I didn't give a damn where Dubya and his family went on vacation. I cared about the fact that his policies sucked. Why anyone cares where the POTUS and their family goes on vacation makes no sense.

296 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:59:30pm

re: #292 Targetpractice

It's just like gas prices. Bullshit every time. The opposition always grabs the soundbite winners for effect.

Envy plays a part too I imagine.

297 erik_t  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:00:15pm

re: #289 jaunte

Wolverine!

It's a well-known phenomenon that foreign troops follow the orders of the leader of the country they just invaded, but domestic troops do not.

Derp.

298 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:00:31pm

re: #263 Daniel Ballard

Let me back up my contention that it's not that cut and dried. Given the big weight advantage, how do we explain his injuries? Self inflicted?

[Link: www.break.com...]

The kid was trying to get away, the girl he called said this and Zimmerman even commented to the operator "Shit, he's running." The girl Trayvon was talking to says after he asked why Zimmerman was following him and Zimmerman responded "Why are you here?" that it sounded like Trayvon's headset hit the ground. Zimmerman was clearly amped up, it's not too much of a stretch to think that he may have tackled Trayvon. It's hard to tackle someone without wearing pads and not get scuffed up in the process. At this point, assuming that Zimmerman initiated physical contact, if Trayvon fought back it was entirely justified and Zimmerman had no right to lethal self defense, having followed the kid against a clear police instruction that he verbally acknowledged.

299 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:01:06pm

re: #295 Lidane

Because people are stupid.

I didn't give a damn where Dubya and his family went on vacation. I cared about the fact that his policies sucked. Why anyone cares where the POTUS and their family goes on vacation makes no sense.

The only reason I gave a damn about Dubya's time off was because it seemed like he spent 60-70% of every year in Crawford.

300 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:01:47pm

re: #297 erik_t

It's a well-known phenomenon that foreign troops follow the orders of the leader of the country they just invaded, but domestic troops do not.

Derp.

Socialists always conform to the will of the Hive Mind.

301 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:02:03pm

re: #284 Obdicut

Thanks, but do you get my point? I also think that 911 operator put it way too softly when he said "we don't need you to do that", instead of "stop doing that right now."

I totally agree with this, the operator's passive tone didn't help at all.

302 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:02:17pm

re: #292 Targetpractice

I will never, for the life of me, understand why the First Family's vacations are a source of so much hate and "disapproval."

Blah people aren't supposed to have nice things. With a side order of black people shouldn't be able to afford nice things.

Also, maintenance of base-rate hypocrisy whereby wealthy conservatives can do whatever they like with their cash, but the Obamas are supposed to live in sackcloth and ashes because of a sub-par economy.

303 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:02:47pm

re: #294 Shvaughn

Doctor calls for civil disobedience of intrusive ultrasound laws

It's a brave call, but behind the mask of anonymity, it's all but futile.

304 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:04:58pm

re: #303 Targetpractice

It's a brave call, but behind the mask of anonymity, it's all but futile.

It may be futile, but we live in a post-Tiller world and I can understand why a doctor would be reluctant to sign his or her name to the post.

305 erik_t  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:05:02pm

re: #299 Targetpractice

The only reason I gave a damn about Dubya's time off was because it seemed like he spent 60-70% of every year in Crawford.

Wish it'd been 100%.

307 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:07:56pm

re: #300 Kragar

Socialists always conform to the will of the Hive Mind.

It's those darn cloaked Overlords floating overhead that no one ever notices until they put on the tinfoil cap.
//

308 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:08:15pm

People who participate in civil disobedience usually either have very little to lose, or have the protection of being famous, like Martin Sheen (my sister was arrested with him once--I mean at the same protest.)

309 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:09:10pm

re: #304 Shvaughn

It may be futile, but we live in a post-Tiller world and I can understand why a doctor would be reluctant to sign his or her name to the post.

Hence why I think the call futile. If the fear of losing their license, their practice, even their lives is enough to keep them from putting their names out, then their civil disobedience is over before it began.

310 allegro  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:09:40pm

re: #304 Shvaughn

It may be futile, but we live in a post-Tiller world and I can understand why a doctor would be reluctant to sign his or her name to the post.

We also don't know what is going on in direct conversation and correspondence between women's healthcare providers. A post like this could be a call to arms for public support that they would surely need. I hope such conversations are happening and that action of some type from healthcare professionals is forthcoming.

311 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:10:39pm

re: #307 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

It's those darn cloaked Overlords floating overhead that no one ever notices until they put on the tinfoil cap.
//

Pff, Overlords. Call me when the Hive Tyrants show up and there is a real problem.

312 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:13:01pm

re: #298 goddamnedfrank

The kid was trying to get away, the girl he called said this and Zimmerman even commented to the operator "Shit, he's running." The girl Trayvon was talking to says after he asked why Zimmerman was following him and Zimmerman responded "Why are you here?" that it sounded like Trayvon's headset hit the ground. Zimmerman was clearly amped up, it's not too much of a stretch to think that he may have tackled Trayvon. It's hard to tackle someone without wearing pads and not get scuffed up in the process. At this point, assuming that Zimmerman initiated physical contact, if Trayvon fought back it was entirely justified and Zimmerman had no right to lethal self defense, having followed the kid against a clear police instruction that he verbally acknowledged.

Could be. Really could be right. Or, maybe not.

313 AK-47%  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:16:28pm

re: #299 Targetpractice

The only reason I gave a damn about Dubya's time off was because it seemed like he spent 60-70% of every year in Crawford.

Point is, we need a thorough investigation of this incident: something the local police somehow did not find necessary. And we need to know why that was the case as well.

I will reserve judgement until more facts can be established.

314 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:17:46pm

All this mention of Oaxacan vacations makes me hungry for molle and tamales.

315 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:20:12pm

re: #312 Daniel Ballard

Could be. Really could be right. Or, maybe not.

What we can state for certain is that Zimmerman said "Shit, he's running," and that Zimmerman had a handgun and a 110 lb. weight advantage vs. a kid with Skittles and Iced Tea. Painting a plausible scenario where Zimmerman was in legitimate fear of his life strains credulity to say the least.

316 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:21:37pm

re: #315 goddamnedfrank

What we can state for certain is that Zimmerman said "Shit, he's running," and that Zimmerman had a handgun and a 110 lb. weight advantage vs. a kid with Skittles and Iced Tea. Painting a plausible scenario where Zimmerman was in legitimate fear of his life strains credulity to say the least.

"I feel threatened, so I'll follow the kid in my car, rather than driving away."

317 Lidane  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:21:44pm

re: #315 goddamnedfrank

What we can state for certain is that Zimmerman said "Shit, he's running," and that Zimmerman had a handgun and a 110 lb. weight advantage vs. a kid with Skittles and Iced Tea. Painting a plausible scenario where Zimmerman was in legitimate fear of his life strains credulity to say the least.

Yeah, this.

I can't think of a single scenario in this story where Zimmerman was ever in legitimate danger. Any claims of self-defense are obvious bullshit.

318 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:21:48pm

Here somebody posted a "cleared up version" and some of the folks hear the same thing I hear - not [u:] but [ou].

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

319 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:22:01pm

re: #313 Second Amendment Renegation

Point is, we need a thorough investigation of this incident: something the local police somehow did not find necessary. And we need to know why that was the case as well.

I will reserve judgement until more facts can be established.

*cough* Think you quoted the wrong post.

320 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:23:02pm

re: #317 Lidane

Yeah, this.

I can't think of a single scenario in this story where Zimmerman was ever in legitimate danger. Any claims of self-defense are obvious bullshit.

Unless Martin was hiding some martial arts black belt we're unaware of.

//

321 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:23:14pm

re: #317 Lidane

The only scenario where he is possibly in danger is if he brandished the gun at the kid while he was close to him-- then he'd be in danger because the kid might have acted in self-defense.

322 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:25:21pm

re: #321 Obdicut

The only scenario where he is possibly in danger is if he brandished the gun at the kid while he was close to him-- then he'd be in danger because the kid might have acted in self-defense.

Yup. I think its vastly more likely any injuries Zimmerman received were from Martin defending himself from the psycho who had been following him.

323 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:26:31pm

Check out the comments at this Christian website: [Link: visiontoamerica.org...]

Racism, calls for assassination and violent overthrow of the US government, and all kinds of other insanity.

324 Lidane  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:26:52pm

re: #320 Targetpractice

Unless Martin was hiding some martial arts black belt we're unaware of.

//

He would have had to hide some Jet Li/Jackie Chan style moves for that:

Youtube Video
325 bluecheese  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:26:57pm

re: #318 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

Here somebody posted a "cleared up version" and some of the folks hear the same thing I hear - not [u:] but [ou].

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

YES YES YES!!!!!


he was eating an ice cream cone, and it was dripping all over..... THAT'S IT!!!!!


lol

326 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:27:16pm

re: #318 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

Here somebody posted a "cleared up version" and some of the folks here the same thing I hear - not [u:] but [ou].

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

He slowed down the playback on the third iteration, which elongates the vowel sound. There's a reason I didn't mess with pitch or timing, because that actually does perceptibly change the signal, vs. just removing noise. You're hearing the elongation not the actual signal.

Regardless, what word does this create, and how does it make any sense in context?

327 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:27:28pm

re: #325 bluecheese

Or he just said something else.

328 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:27:38pm

re: #325 bluecheese

YES YES YES!!!

he was eating an ice cream cone, and it was dripping all over... THAT'S IT!!!

lol

You're being an ass. I'm just sayin'.

329 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:28:37pm

re: #326 goddamnedfrank

Slowing down doesn't matter since I hear it on every recording I've listened to.

330 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:28:54pm

re: #323 Charles Johnson

Check out the comments at this Christian website: [Link: visiontoamerica.org...]

Racism, calls for assassination and violent overthrow of the US government, and all kinds of other insanity.

The Khorne worshipers slowly and carefully back out of the Christian forums.

331 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:30:00pm

Basically, I'll just wait for GZ's explanation.

332 bluecheese  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:30:05pm

re: #328 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

You're being an ass. I'm just sayin'.

and you're being willfully ignorant.

you know what that man said.

he's fucking getting away with murder.

333 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:30:24pm

re: #321 Obdicut

The only scenario where he is possibly in danger is if he brandished the gun at the kid while he was close to him-- then he'd be in danger because the kid might have acted in self-defense.

Right, in any plausible scenario it is Zimmerman himself who creates the very hazard we're to believe he then "reacted" to.

334 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:30:49pm

re: #332 bluecheese

and you're being willfully ignorant.

you know what that man said.

he's fucking getting away with murder.

Your baseless allegations of bad faith towards other posters here don't add you credibility.

335 AK-47%  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:32:51pm

re: #333 goddamnedfrank

Right, in any plausible scenario it is Zimmerman himself who creates the very hazard we're to believe he then "reacted" to.

And once again, the scandal is in that the local police were perfectly satisfied to let it go at that...

336 bluecheese  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:32:56pm

re: #334 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

right.

so what do you think he said again?

i missed it.

337 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:33:18pm

re: #336 bluecheese

right.

so what do you think he said again?

i missed it.

Re-read the whole discussion then.

338 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:33:29pm

re: #74 Kragar

Extremists Go To ‘War’ In The Arizona Desert

“We all should be actively advocating daily to mainstream America the most humane, non-racist, fair border security plan available,” the fliers said. “Namely, A MINEFIELD!”

And you'll say what to the grieving family of the first rancher who steps on one while trying to get an injured calf out of an arroyo?

339 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:34:02pm

re: #332 bluecheese

and you're being willfully ignorant.

you know what that man said.

he's fucking getting away with murder.

No, I don't know what he said. That he may very well be getting away with murder doesn't automatically mean that he said that.

340 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:34:05pm

re: #329 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

Slowing down doesn't matter since I hear it on every recording I've listened to.

And again, what word does this create and how does it make any sense at all in that context? If the argument is that Zimmerman chose that moment to throw in a bit of nonsensical gibberish, fine, but that needs to be weighed against the (arguably greater) likelihood that he said something else entirely ... something that made perfect sense considering the other questionable circumstances.

341 bluecheese  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:35:39pm

re: #337 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

Re-read the whole discussion then.

ah, yes.


"fucking punks"

"fucking shoes"

or something....


just not what you can clearly fucking hear.

342 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:36:00pm

re: #113 Bulworth

OT: apparently the latest RWNJ uproar concerns the fact that one of the president's daughters is in Mexico. It's super controversial because...

Allowing the President's daughter to go to Mexico will only encourage them.

I don't precisely know who 'they' are, or what they'll be encouraged, but you know...

343 AK-47%  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:36:17pm

re: #338 SanFranciscoZionist

“We all should be actively advocating daily to mainstream America the most humane, non-racist, fair border security plan available,” the fliers said. “Namely, A MINEFIELD!”

And you'll say what to the grieving family of the first rancher who steps on one while trying to get an injured calf out of an arroyo?

As an expat former Arizonan, I do get homesick for springtime in the desert, the wild poppies, cacti, desert willows, mesquite and ironwood trees in bloom...and my favorite bits of the desert were near the border: the Chiracauhuas, Ramsey Canyon, Santa Rita Mountains.

So thanks, you pathetick f*cks, for making me feel a bit less homesick...

344 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:36:37pm

re: #341 bluecheese


So you're really just saying Sergey and I are lying when we say we can't clearly hear it?

345 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:36:59pm

re: #321 Obdicut

The only scenario where he is possibly in danger is if he brandished the gun at the kid while he was close to him-- then he'd be in danger because the kid might have acted in self-defense.

From personal experience--it's scary as shit to notice someone has a concealed gun even if it's in an appropriate concealed-carry holster. Your first thought is not "it's holstered, so they're probably a CCL carrier"--your fight-or-flight instinct is suddenly completely fired up.

For me, it's never come to anything, but no question when I see a concealed firearm in close quarters I'm suddenly hyper-aware and braced to react. Were a guy chasing me and I caught notice of him wearing a firearm....

346 bluecheese  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:37:02pm

indeed

347 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:37:11pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

Here come the wingnuts:


says the expert who's never given someone a job application RT @Lizardoid: Breitbart's followers say: If you're Hispanic, you're not "White"

I've filled out a lot of applications that ask about race. They ask if you're Latino, then they ask for race, and when you check white, they clarify "Non-Latino White".

That's because Latino/Hispanic is a cultural classification, and not a racial one.

348 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:37:43pm

re: #346 bluecheese

indeed

Why would we be lying?

349 AK-47%  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:37:53pm

re: #347 SanFranciscoZionist


says the expert who's never given someone a job application RT @Lizardoid: Breitbart's followers say: If you're Hispanic, you're not "White"

I've filled out a lot of applications that ask about race. They ask if you're Latino, then they ask for race, and when you check white, they clarify "Non-Latino White".

That's because Latino/Hispanic is a cultural classification, and not a racial one.

We have been beating this herring to death for several threads now.

350 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:38:11pm

re: #340 goddamnedfrank

And again, what word does this create and how does it make any sense at all in that context? If the argument is that Zimmerman chose that moment to throw in a bit of nonsensical gibberish, fine, but that needs to be weighed against the (arguably greater) likelihood that he said something else entirely ... something that made perfect sense considering the other questionable circumstances.

Again, critics of the "coons" version don't have to actually propose their own version. It's sufficient to point out that "coons" is unlikely to be constructed through [ou]. "Coons" is not the default version. [unintelligible] is the default version.

I have, however, specified above that for me it sounds closer to "he's fucking close" or "it's fucking close" than "[something] fucking coons". I see that some Mother Jones readers also suggested "clueless", as in "he's fucking clueless". However given the context (GZ pursuing TM) "close" makes some sense.

351 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:38:23pm

re: #119 Shiplord Kirel

An Alex Jones patriot spells it out, with a mere gap to defeat Jones's filter (such as it is):

Wait, will someone remind me if I'm allowed to be jealous of rich people or not? The back and forth is making me crazy.

352 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:38:44pm

re: #332 bluecheese

and you're being willfully ignorant.

you know what that man said.

he's fucking getting away with murder.

Sergey on a Toast (or whatever he calls himself today) is very careful to be factual in cases where somebody is being accused of something bad. I call him FTAF [Fair To A Fault], because he can be fair way beyond the point I would be, sometimes. But not all the time. If I were being accused of something bad that I didn't do, I would want him (and Obdicut) on my side.

The benefit is that when he backs up an accusation, it is very reliable position. This has real value in the real world. So my 'FTAF!' is said in jest, because there really isn't a fault involved.

353 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:38:57pm

re: #342 SanFranciscoZionist

Allowing the President's daughter to go to Mexico will only encourage them.

I don't precisely know who 'they' are, or what they'll be encouraged, but you know...

Purveyors of tamales and aguas frescas?

Mariachis?

354 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:39:02pm

re: #341 bluecheese

just not what you can clearly fucking hear.

Are you saying I do hear "coons" and am lying about it?

355 bluecheese  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:39:05pm

re: #345 The Ghost of a Flea

From personal experience--it's scary as shit to notice someone has a concealed gun even if it's in an appropriate concealed-carry holster. Your first thought is not "it's holstered, so they're probably a CCL carrier"--your fight-or-flight instinct is suddenly completely fired up.

i had that happen to me once. turned out to be an undercover cop.

we ran.

judge threw out all the charges.

356 Lidane  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:41:23pm

re: #338 SanFranciscoZionist

And you'll say what to the grieving family of the first rancher who steps on one while trying to get an injured calf out of an arroyo?

Or to the parents of children who happen to run near a mined area?

Someone should tell these assholes that minefields are not humane or fair. Landmines are indiscriminate weapons, harming soldier and civilian alike. Anyone who thinks they're useful is a fucking moron.

357 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:41:23pm

re: #349 Second Amendment Renegation

We have been beating this herring to death for several threads now.

We need a new argument, like why has the media not followed up on the claims that Arnold Schwarzenegger used to work with Joseph Kony?

358 bluecheese  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:41:33pm

re: #348 Obdicut

Why would we be lying?

i dont know why.

willful ignorance is the best I can come up with.

folks that say it aint what I hear should put up another plausible explanation for what they think dude's saying.

I'm all ears.

359 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:42:30pm

re: #358 bluecheese

i dont know why.

Well, find some plausible explanation then.

360 erik_t  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:44:30pm

re: #358 bluecheese

folks that say it aint what I hear should put up another plausible explanation for what they think dude's saying.

Do you reject the premise that an audio clip can be unintelligible? That 'I don't know' can be a perfectly valid answer to a question?

361 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:45:24pm

re: #358 bluecheese

i dont know why.

willful ignorance is the best I can come up with.

folks that say it aint what I hear should put up another plausible explanation for what they think dude's saying.

I'm all ears.

He's saying "Hey! Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers!"

362 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:45:27pm

re: #355 bluecheese

i had that happen to me once. turned out to be an undercover cop.

we ran.

judge threw out all the charges.

As someone who owns, but does not carry a handgun, I'm bemused by how I'm supposed to discern that Random Dude With Occasional Gun isn't a threat. That they passed a open/concealed carry course is lukewarm comfort--moreso given that those courses aren't created equal.

I don't like having my life on the line, hoping that Random Person actually has some capacity for real-time recognition and reaction to threat assessment. And doesn't have anger issues. Or power issues. Or hasn't developed stress related mental issues. Et cetera.

363 bluecheese  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:46:33pm

re: #350 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

"he's fucking close"

that sounds like it's possible.

too bad tray was already said to be running away though.

364 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:47:40pm

re: #363 bluecheese

that sounds like it's possible.

too bad tray was already said to be running away though.

Yeah, well, there's no contradiction between someone running away but still being close enough to pursue.

365 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:48:52pm

re: #358 bluecheese

Plausible explanations have been offered-- "He's fucking close" "He's fucking clueless", "fucking cones", "Fucking shoes". He's muttering, it's hard to understand.

I'm not saying he's not saying it. I"m saying the audio is unclear to me. For some bizarre reason, this makes you insist I must be lying-- even though you can't offer any explanation for why I would lie.

Everything about what he did was wrong, from targeting him in the first place, to chasing him, to confronting him, to shooting him.

Why do you think it's incumbent on me to come up with something he might have been saying, but not on you to come up with a reason why I would lie?

366 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:51:31pm

re: #346 bluecheese

indeed

Why? I haven't heard the tape myself, so I have no intepretation to offer, but Sergey and Obdicut have pretty good records of not tolerating or making excuses for racist killers. What do you think their motivation would be to pretend they weren't sure what they were hearing?

367 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:52:02pm

Here is my noise reduced and volume adjusted snippet:

[Link: www.fileden.com...]

I'm listening with Beats headphones and have the system volume @ 60%

368 Lidane  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:52:24pm

Illinois and the GOP's Last Stand for Common Sense

The Romneybot is probably going to win fairly big in Illinois tonight. The shoeless gomer factor is pretty low there, even downstate, and there seem to be enough sensible Republicans there to notice that, really, this Republican party nominating process has reached the B.J. Hunnicutt Stage of its run. None of the jokes are funny any more. It's been on television far too long for its own good. The problem that the Republicans have, of course, is that there is nobody in the party with the authority to pull the plug. All these stories about how "someone" is going to have to tell Newt Gingrich that it's time to go back to the lecture circuit are hilarious. At what point in his political career has anybody been able to tell the Definer Of Civilization's Rules And Leader (Perhaps) Of The Civilizing Forces anything? Santorum will continue as long as he has the money, and as long as there's a market for one anti-Romney, which will be until the year 2525, if current trends continue. The Republican National Committee designed a madhouse of a nominating process and then completely lost control of it. And the presumed nominee, and presumptive leader of the party, is deeply distrusted by the party he is presumed to lead. The basic problem with Republican politics this year — and it is one unique in my experience — is that there simply is nobody in charge of it. Nobody's "fighting over the wheel" because a bunch of nutty folks from steerage took control of the ship in 2010 and threw the wheel overboard. "A sizable number" of Americans are catching on to this basic fact. Illinois could be the first sign that the Republicans intend to do anything about that.

369 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:52:36pm

re: #367 goddamnedfrank

And that, to me, really sounds like 'cones'.

370 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:54:47pm

re: #369 Obdicut

And that, to me, really sounds like 'cones'.

Perhaps it was scones.
/

371 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:55:08pm

re: #356 Lidane

Or to the parents of children who happen to run near a mined area?

Someone should tell these assholes that minefields are not humane or fair. Landmines are indiscriminate weapons, harming soldier and civilian alike. Anyone who thinks they're useful is a fucking moron.

There are lots of countries that have land mines and would really like to get rid of them. So far we've been really lucky with that one. The idea that we'd start planting them for no better reason than a pathological need to see people hurt for trying to cross the border is just ridiculous.

Wouldn't stop people from trying, either.

372 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:55:13pm

re: #366 SanFranciscoZionist

Heh. Yesterday I was hotheaded enough to suggest that certain bad things should happen to GZ. Now it turns out I'm covering for him. Oh well.

373 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:58:11pm

re: #342 SanFranciscoZionist

Allowing the President's daughter to go to Mexico will only encourage them.

I don't precisely know who 'they' are, or what they'll be encouraged, but you know...

The correct answer is, of course, LUCHADORS.

374 Lidane  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:58:20pm

re: #371 SanFranciscoZionist

There are lots of countries that have land mines and would really like to get rid of them. So far we've been really lucky with that one. The idea that we'd start planting them for no better reason than a pathological need to see people hurt for trying to cross the border is just ridiculous.

Wouldn't stop people from trying, either.

There will always be plenty of derp filled, racist assholes who think that placing landmines along the Mexican border is a good idea. Someone needs to point them towards countries where decades after a conflict ends, people are still dying from landmines.

They won't care, of course, but hopefully enough sensible people around them will talk them out of that bit of idiocy. Or, they'll arrest these morons for trying to make and lay landmines in an area.

375 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:58:41pm

re: #373 The Ghost of a Flea

The correct answer is, of course, LUCHADORS.

Do they really NEED that much encouragement?

376 bluecheese  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:59:55pm

re: #367 goddamnedfrank

Here is my noise reduced and volume adjusted snippet:

[Link: www.fileden.com...]

I'm listening with Beats headphones and have the system volume @ 60%

that cleared up nice. "he's" is ruled out in my mind.

guess we're back to the multiple ice cream cones theory.

i mean, dude looks like he eats ice cream cones two at a time.....

377 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:00:28pm

re: #369 Obdicut

And that, to me, really sounds like 'cones'.

Considering it was said under breath, a very "unified" (for the lack of better words, since I'm not a linguist) cl- is compatible with this. But however this may be, yes, I do hear [ou] in Frank's wav too.

378 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:00:55pm

re: #375 SanFranciscoZionist

Do they really NEED that much encouragement?

We don't need rudo/techinico feuds finding their way into our American wrestling rings.

379 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:01:32pm

re: #374 Lidane

There will always be plenty of derp filled, racist assholes who think that placing landmines along the Mexican border is a good idea. Someone needs to point them towards countries where decades after a conflict ends, people are still dying from landmines.

They won't care, of course, but hopefully enough sensible people around them will talk them out of that bit of idiocy. Or, they'll arrest these morons for trying to make and lay landmines in an area.

I suppose they see, laid out before them, a flat, clearly marked strip running the length of the border, visible in all directions, with land mines in it. Between two countries where no one ever goes driving to make out with girls, has animals wander off, goes hiking, or drives into Mexico to get the other kind of laundry detergent, except through clearly marked, heavily staffed, crossings.

Also, deer, cattle, coyotes, and heavy armadillos know not to go near the clearly marked strip.

380 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:01:44pm

re: #378 The Ghost of a Flea

We don't need rudo/techinico feuds finding their way into our American wrestling rings.

Yeah, the GOP wouldn't allow the competition.

381 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:01:48pm

re: #376 bluecheese

Cones are often something you run into when you're driving, you know.

382 A Mom Anon  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:01:48pm

At the end of the day,a mother has lost her son. For no other reason than someone's idiocy,lax gun laws and regulations,and a culture that rewards stupidity and violence. To hyperfocus on what Zimmerman said doesn't do a damn thing to bring any clarity to this situation at all. What does lead to clarity are the additional 911 calls from Zimmerman,to the tune of around 1 a week for a year . He laid out the same damned scenario on more than one date in different incidents. He was not part of any organized watch,he's a vigilante with an ax to grind. He assaulted a cop and still kept his gun. WTF. The cops didn't know who he was? Come ON. Whether he used the word coon or not,the additional tapes show he had issues with black teens and young men being anywhere that he could see them.

This kid was the same age as my son is now.My son is white,but he's got a disability that prevents him from reading social situations. My biggest fear is I'll get call one day that he's been hurt or killed by someone who thinks he's being an ass,or being suspicious,or they don't like the way he looks or moves. One fucking word isn't important here. What should matter about shit like this happening over and over and over again is this idiotic society of ours doesn't learn from the obvious fucking clues that are everywhere.

The answers to this issue are not simple,but you know what? The conversations need to be had about what we REALLY value and then maybe our actions should match our words. And yes,I take it fucking personal. My kid has been subjected to bullying,threats and adults have stood by and let it happen. It's e-fucking-nough already.

383 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:03:39pm

re: #380 Kragar

Yeah, the GOP wouldn't allow the competition.

Coming over here and stealing our American kayfabe. Don't they have folding chairs and easily distracted refs where they come from?

384 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:04:14pm

Navy to U.S.: Geothermal Drill Baby, Drill

The U.S. Navy has teamed up with the Department of Energy’s Sandia National Laboratory to revive decades-old technology for a high performance drill bit, only they don’t have drilling for oil or gas in mind. The drill bit, called a polycrystalline diamond compact bit, is being retested evaluated and improved to help lower the cost of drilling for geothermal energy.

The mashup of the Navy with the development of high efficiency geothermal drilling technology is a natural one, given that the Navy has been investigating geothermal energy for decades, and the Navy’s Air Weapons Station China Lake research facility in California is the site of a major geothermal power plant that has been in operation for 15 years.

As a whole, in recent years the Department of Defense has ramped up its pursuit of geothermal energy and other forms of locally generated energy such as solar power, wind and biogas in order to unchain U.S. national defense facilities from reliance on grid-supplied sources.
...
Alternative energy is also just one small example of the Navy’s long history of technological innovation leading to private sector benefits, and in that regard it is a little odd that Senator John McCain, himself a Navy man, chose to throw stones at both the Department of Energy and at the Navy’s current research into biofuels when Navy Secretary Ray Mabus testified at a Senate Armed Services Committee at a hearing last Tuesday.

Specifically, according to an account in The Hill, McCain appears ready to monkey wrench the Navy’s entire alternative energy program through amendments to the Pentagon’s 2013 budget.

So much for “drill baby, drill.”

385 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:04:18pm

re: #383 The Ghost of a Flea

Heh. I've said that the GOP is basically full-on kayfabe for awhile.

386 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:04:45pm

re: #372 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

Heh. Yesterday I was hotheaded enough to suggest that certain bad things should happen to GZ. Now it turns out I'm covering for him. Oh well.

Don't sweat anyone giving you shit over this "fucking coons" kerfluffle, because anyone who says, at this point, they know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Zimmerman said that knows exactly what me and you do: jack shit.

Hell, it's almost arguing simply for the sake of argument; from what we do know at this point about the incident, Zimmerman looks like he's in deep shit (and so is the Sanford PD).

387 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:05:28pm

re: #386 talon_262

from what we do know at this point about the incident, Zimmerman looks like he's in deep shit (and so is the Sanford PD).

That's a start.

388 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:05:42pm

Howdy Honcos,

A couple quick thoughts on the shooting of Trayvon Martin.

First, I am a big 2nd Amendment right fan as well as a fan of concealed carry.

Following a person does not equal "stand your ground" by any stretch. We will have to see the result of the investigation, but I can't see how in the world this can be viewed as self-defense.

Those who are licensed to carry a concealed weapon have an even greater responsibility than most to avoid confrontation and keep control of their emotions. This guy was not up to the task.

389 BongCrodny  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:06:12pm

One of the commenters at Dkos who opted for the "fucking cones" interpretation thought it might be logical if there were traffic cones in the street impeding Zimmerman's path to Martin.

For the record, I thought it sounded like "fucking coons" on the original recording; not so much on the cleaned-up version.

390 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:06:20pm

re: #377 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

Considering it was said under breath, a very "unified" (for the lack of better words, since I'm not a linguist) cl- is compatible with this. But however this may be, yes, I do hear [ou] in Frank's wav too.

Yeah, after listening to it a few times I kept coming back to hearing "tongues", which makes no sense at all.

391 BongCrodny  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:07:23pm

re: #378 The Ghost of a Flea

We don't need rudo/techinico feuds finding their way into our American wrestling rings.

Hell, we've got enough of those in the political arena.

392 Big Joe  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:07:45pm

Sounds like, "He's walking out."

393 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:07:58pm

re: #390 RayFerd

Yeah, after listening to it a few times I kept coming back to hearing "tongues", which makes no sense at all.

Wait. Actually now it makes sense.

Youtube Video
394 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:08:07pm

re: #385 Obdicut

Heh. I've said that the GOP is basically full-on kayfabe for awhile.

The GOP needs better costumes.

395 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:08:23pm

re: #392 Ghost of Tom Joad

Sounds like, "He's walking out."

Heh.

396 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:11:02pm

GOP wants YOU for its NOMINEE!

Do YOU need a JOB?

Or are YOU in a DEAD-END job with LITTLE chance of ADVANCEMENT?

Are you BORED? FIDGETY? DISCONNECTED from REALITY and possessing certain DELUSIONAL tendencies?

Do you believe in a MOON COLONY?

Would you like NASCAR, NFL team owners and other NE’ER-DO-WELLS to SUCK UP to YOU?

Or are you just eager to IMPOSE your own PERSONAL RELIGIOUS BELIEFS on the rest of the AMERICAN PEOPLE?

In that case: Would YOU like to be the PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE of the UNITED STATES REPUBLICAN PARTY?

397 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:11:23pm

re: #386 talon_262

Hell, it's almost arguing simply for the sake of argument; from what we do know at this point about the incident, Zimmerman looks like he's in deep shit (and so is the Sanford PD).

They need to be in deep shit. They made all sorts of procedural errors over this shooting.

398 makeitstop  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:11:26pm

re: #232 Daniel Ballard

Okay who has sound software? I got Soundboard at home, I might be able to clean that up. But maybe someone with protools can clean it up sooner?

I just grabbed the file. Will run it down to the studio shortly to see if anything can be done to clean it up.

Just a thought - maybe he said 'fucking clowns,' referring to the cops who told him not to follow the kid?

399 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:12:03pm

re: #392 Ghost of Tom Joad

Sounds like, "He's walking out."

This contradicts the running part, but maybe he didn't run continuously.

Zimmerman: No you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left…uh you go straight in, don’t turn, and make a left. Shit he’s running.

Dispatcher: He’s running? Which way is he running?

Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.

Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he’s heading towards?

Zimmerman: The back entrance…he's walking out

Dispatcher: Are you following him?

This could actually make sense.

400 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:12:48pm

re: #398 makeitstop

The dispatcher [singular] said it after the whisper.

401 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:13:16pm

re: #391 BongCrodny

Hell, we've got enough of those in the political arena.

Insufficient folding chair violence and masks...for now.

I can already see Newt garbed as the "Masked Historian"

402 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:13:36pm

Fox News responsible for woman's death

ok not LITERALLY, but read the article.

403 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:15:53pm

This post was just retweeted by DL Hughley:

404 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:16:10pm

re: #392 Ghost of Tom Joad

Do you think it could be "he's fucking out", meaning out of the gate? Does this make sense in English?

405 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:17:02pm

re: #396 Kragar

GOP wants YOU for its NOMINEE!

"Ah, if there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you say."

406 labman57  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:18:21pm

Remember -- racists, homophobes, Islamophobes, and misogynists are drawn to FOX News much as flies to rotting meat.

407 jaunte  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:18:51pm

The Killing of Trayvon Martin (Cont.)
By Charles P. Pierce

...The details in the new case are piling up, and they're getting more grotesque by the day. If the accounts of the cellphone calls are to be believed, Martin thought that George Zimmerman was stalking him. There's some rattling of the cage regarding Florida's idiotic "stand your ground" law, which some prosectors predicted at the time of its passage would inevitably produce something like this. The local police, who've botched this thing from minute one, are now going to have the Department Of Justice and the FBI gnawing on their ankles, to say nothing of the fact that the local cops seem to have bungled their way into the Emmett Till case of the new millennium.
...
...as much as it pains me to say it, the American right already has determined that the whole controversy is a subtle plot by the Kenyan Muslim black liberationist Derrick Bell-hugger to gin up racial distrust so as to guarantee his re-election as Chief Executive Shaka Zulu.

408 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:19:31pm

re: #379 SanFranciscoZionist

I suppose they see, laid out before them, a flat, clearly marked strip running the length of the border, visible in all directions, with land mines in it. Between two countries where no one ever goes driving to make out with girls, has animals wander off, goes hiking, or drives into Mexico to get the other kind of laundry detergent, except through clearly marked, heavily staffed, crossings.

Also, deer, cattle, coyotes, and heavy armadillos know not to go near the clearly marked strip.

And a few very rare jaguars, and the Mexican Gray wolf which is being reintroduced on both sides of the border...

409 bluecheese  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:20:15pm

maybe he was trying to open a pack of kools.

and the cigg pack didn't want to open cause he was on the phone.

410 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:20:28pm

re: #407 jaunte

The Killing of Trayvon Martin (Cont.)
By Charles P. Pierce

It also plays into their victimhood bit as gunowners, that the DoJ will use the case to argue in favor of further gun restrictions, which they know are really Obama and Holder's "secret grand conspiracy!"

411 Tigger2005  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:20:35pm

re: #396 Kragar

GOP wants YOU for its NOMINEE!

I agree with everything but the moon colony thing. I refuse to ridicule Newt with it, there are plenty of other things to ridicule him for. What's wrong with suggesting a moon colony? It's sad that this sounds so loopy to people. It didn't sound loopy 20 or 30 years ago...back then NASA couldn't imagine that we would NOT have a lunar base by this time. Actually, they thought we'd be eyeing Mars by now.

412 Big Joe  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:20:41pm

re: #404 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

I hear the "wah" sound in Frank's sample. I'm using 5.1 system so it's on the center channel.

413 William of Orange  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:20:55pm

-OH-MY-GOD-OH-MY-GOD-OH-MY-GOD-OH-MY-GOD-OH-MY-GOD-OH-MY-GOD-OH-MY-GOD-OH-MY-GOD-OH-MY-GOD!!!11111!111ONE!!

THIS IS A CLASSIC~~~1!!

"Will the real Mitt Romney please stand up?"

Youtube Video
414 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:21:25pm

re: #409 bluecheese

Maybe he ran into some traffic cones.

Is there any particular reason that explanation is beyond the bounds of believability for you?

415 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:21:51pm

re: #411 Tigger2005

I agree with everything but the moon colony thing. I refuse to ridicule Newt with it, there are plenty of other things to ridicule him for. What's wrong with suggesting a moon colony? It's sad that this sounds so loopy to people. It didn't sound loopy 20 or 30 years ago...back then NASA couldn't imagine that we would NOT have a lunar base by this time. Actually, they thought we'd be eyeing Mars by now.

It sounds loopy because Newt says he'll not only have it done in 8 years, but that he will do it while cutting taxes and spending at the same time, expecting the private sector pick up the slack on their own dime.

416 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:22:43pm

re: #404 Alaska Martyrs' Brigades

Do you think it could be "he's fucking out", meaning out of the gate? Does this make sense in English?

The more I listen to it now I am leaning toward "these fuckin' punks", and if that doesn't work then "Excuse me while I kiss this guy".

Sorry Jimmy, I had to.

417 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:22:49pm

re: #413 William of Orange

Oh. Cool.

418 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:23:54pm

re: #396 Kragar

the comments on that are a riot.

419 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:25:02pm

re: #408 wrenchwench

And a few very rare jaguars, and the Mexican Gray wolf which is being reintroduced on both sides of the border...

Nativist militiamen out on "patrols"....

420 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:25:17pm

re: #405 Targetpractice

"Ah, if there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you say."

Is fighting a giant Sta-Puft Marshmallow Man worth eleven-five a year?

/adjusted for inflation, of course

421 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:27:21pm

This is nice, but that judge is going to get an earful from hypersensitive religious types:

Judge Forces Texas Educators to Apologize to Agnostic Family

A federal judge issued what he called a "non-Kumbaya" order to two Texas educators this week, requiring them to apologize for disparaging remarks made about an agnostic family who sued a school district over school prayer.

The San Antonio Express News reports that under Monday's ruling Medina Valley Independent School District superintendent James Stansberry and high school band director Keith Riley will have to formally say they are sorry for violating a portion of a legal settlement that forbade administrators and employees from disparaging the family.

422 Kragar  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:29:07pm

re: #418 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

the comments on that are a riot.

"Media liberals the dye is cast."

Unintentional comedy, the best kind.

423 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:31:51pm

re: #422 Kragar

"Media liberals the dye is cast."

Unintentional comedy, the best kind.

Slim man to fat man: "Dude, you're pretty big. Bet it's been a while since you could even see your junk."

Fat man (hanging head): "Yeah it has been."

Slim man: "Why don't you diet?"

Fat man: "Oh yeah, what color?"

424 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:35:19pm

re: #315 goddamnedfrank

What we can state for certain is that Zimmerman said "Shit, he's running," and that Zimmerman had a handgun and a 110 lb. weight advantage vs. a kid with Skittles and Iced Tea. Painting a plausible scenario where Zimmerman was in legitimate fear of his life strains credulity to say the least.

I never painted a picture where the guy had a legit fear for his life. If you read that into my objections to the surrounding assumptions people are making or anything else I wrote you are in error as to my point. I painted a scenario where they fought, he lost the fistfight and pulled a gun. That does not justify this guy at all.

425 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:36:58pm

re: #317 Lidane

Yeah, this.

I can't think of a single scenario in this story where Zimmerman was ever in legitimate danger. Any claims of self-defense are obvious bullshit.

Me either. His nose was in danger apparently, deservedly so. He had no reason to approach the kid at all.

426 engineer cat  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:37:39pm

re: #418 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

the comments on that are a riot.

Media liberals the dye is cast

i'd rather get dye all over my feet than cast irons without straw when mitt romney fires my knees

427 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:38:19pm

re: #411 Tigger2005

I agree with everything but the moon colony thing. I refuse to ridicule Newt with it, there are plenty of other things to ridicule him for. What's wrong with suggesting a moon colony? It's sad that this sounds so loopy to people. It didn't sound loopy 20 or 30 years ago...back then NASA couldn't imagine that we would NOT have a lunar base by this time. Actually, they thought we'd be eyeing Mars by now.

It sounds loopy because of the actual, scientifically-established health issues that have arisen regarding long-term living in sub-Earth gravity...up to and including how low gravity may make human reproduction nonviable and cause birth defects. And because we can't get long-term bio-enclosure to work with a small training population, let alone a large one that includes civilians. That it's an appealing idea from both a research perspective and a human wonderment perspective doesn't make it any less impractical.

Also, that a permanent national presence on the moon with a political franchise is a statement of possession with implications for international relations. The USA claiming a part of the moon is an act of land seizure (and natural resource seizure, theoretically) that would cause a shockwave through foreign nations and potentially nullify treaties relating to other areas that by international agreement are set aside from development...like Antarctica or any number of oceanic regions.

Add to that the candidate talking about this idea also promises to decrease the deficit while creating our new Moon State.

428 kirkspencer  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 3:45:04pm

re: #427 The Ghost of a Flea

It sounds loopy because of the actual, scientifically-established health issues that have arisen regarding long-term living in sub-Earth gravity...up to and including how low gravity may make human reproduction nonviable and cause birth defects. And because we can't get long-term bio-enclosure to work with a small training population, let alone a large one that includes civilians. That it's an appealing idea from both a research perspective and a human wonderment perspective doesn't make it any less impractical.

Also, that a permanent national presence on the moon with a political franchise is a statement of possession with implications for international relations. The USA claiming a part of the moon is an act of land seizure (and natural resource seizure, theoretically) that would cause a shockwave through foreign nations and potentially nullify treaties relating to other areas that by international agreement are set aside from development...like Antarctica or any number of oceanic regions.

Add to that the candidate talking about this idea also promises to decrease the deficit while creating our new Moon State.

Counterpoints. The problems we know are from micro-gravity. We really don't know where the line is between "problems" and "OK". On which side of that line does the moon's 1/6G lie?

re the small bio-enclosure, I see no reason to doubt it's not one of the things that can be solved - to at least "well enough" - by throwing enough money.

The rest of your points stand - well, quibble to the treaty issue as I can't recall whether Newt said "claim the moon" or "put a colony on the moon". One abrogates ownership issues, the other is allowed (with caveats and qualifiers, similar to those that allow space stations).

429 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 4:07:09pm

Remember when Bill O'Reily used to do shows about the awful comments on lefty websites? He sure has been quiet about that since FOX Nation got started. I wonder why?

430 SpaceJesus  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 5:18:19pm

Thems sure are a lot of tweets

431 Tigger2005  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 8:59:06pm

re: #427 The Ghost of a Flea

The way I've been hearing the "moon colony" idea disparaged is that it's a loopy idea period. I suspect you would find a great many scientists who disagree. Of course, I doubt these scientists envision an actual "moon colony" any time soon, if ever. More likely a small manned lunar research base. Of course you'd have to have to launch rockets to the moon from Earth orbit...that would mean a space station. I'm also sure no scientist sees this as a one-nation project, as Newt probably does. It would never happen without international cooperation.

If the Moon were to be mined for minerals that could probably be done robotically. No question it would take a very long time for mining to become profitable because the initial investment would be massive.

432 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 20, 2012 9:18:42pm

re: #150 ReamWorks

Here's what's on the Black Blogosphere.

Black bloggers say that "Jew" Zimmerman gets away with murder. (FACT: He's NOT JEWISH! He's not HALF JEWISH! Most "Zimmermans" are Lutheran.)

Charles: I don't think that focusing on Fox hate tells the whole story. Look how hateful this video is. But this commentary is even worse because it drags in completely innocent parties.

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