In yesterday’s Illinois primary, the turnout of voters under 30 was about four percent.
In 2008, when Barack Obama was elected, the turnout was 18%. Any questions about the upcoming election?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Mar 21, 2012 8:51:25pm |
In 2008, when Barack Obama was elected, the turnout was 18%.
That’s still kind of depressing to think about. Low voter turnout bums me out.
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freetoken Wed, Mar 21, 2012 8:51:59pm |
On a related note, Michael Medved has an article over at Townhall lamenting how the GOP is missing the college graduate demographic:
Gop Will Lose the Future by Dissing College Grads
From the looks of the comments Medved wasted his words.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Mar 21, 2012 8:54:38pm |
re: #2 freetoken
From the looks of the comments Medved wasted his words.
You don’t say.
Andy440 Wrote: 5 hours ago (6:26 PM)
How come none of the ‘conservative’ columnists at Townhall have mentioned the ‘800 lb. gorilla’ in the room- Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s very specific allegations? Could it be that Townhall is just a ‘conservative flavored’ version of the MSM? It’s kinda starting to look that way….
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erik_t Wed, Mar 21, 2012 8:55:06pm |
But who could pass up an opportunity to vote for the rich out-of-touch pandering old white man!?
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Targetpractice Wed, Mar 21, 2012 8:56:46pm |
re: #3 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
You don’t say.
“Very specific allegations”? What, the same allegations that have been made, more or less, since ‘08?
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Lidane Wed, Mar 21, 2012 8:58:34pm |
re: #5 Targetpractice
“Very specific allegations”? What, the same allegations that have been made, more or less, since ‘08?
Yes, but with more specific stupid this time around.
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freetoken Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:00:03pm |
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Lidane Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:02:44pm |
re: #7 Kragar
I was told there would be no math.
The only equation needed: GOP = Screwed.
Also, there is this: Image: fourmoreyears.jpg
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Targetpractice Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:03:27pm |
re: #9 Lidane
The only equation needed: GOP = Screwed.
Also, there is this: Image: fourmoreyears.jpg
Don’t worry, if Santorum’s saying it today, Romney will be saying it come October.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:03:41pm |
re: #8 freetoken
The cake is not a lie, but an intentional misstatement intended to motivate the participatory involvement of valuable test subjects.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:04:24pm |
Notice that in 1996 when Bill Clinton was running unopposed, the turnout was even lower.
If these numbers hold for the national turnout, the GOP is in for a massive fail this November.
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Lidane Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:06:08pm |
re: #2 freetoken
From the looks of the comments Medved wasted his words.
Of course he did. It’s all about that fancy book learnin’ and ivory tower liberal eggheads.
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Targetpractice Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:06:41pm |
re: #12 Charles Johnson
Notice that in 1996 when Bill Clinton was running unopposed, the turnout was even lower.
If these numbers hold for the national turnout, the GOP is in for a massive fail this November.
It’s why they keep praying to Free Market Jesus that he sees fit to bless them with an economy calamity between now and November to run upon. Because if they have to run on dragging the country back to the Ante Bellum days, then they’re gonna make Mondale’s defeat look good.
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Lidane Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:08:32pm |
re: #12 Charles Johnson
Considering their slate of candidates, the best they can hope for is some massive economic crisis between now and November.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:09:24pm |
Some youth I don’t want to see turn out anywhere but the local psychiatric ward:
Student Goes Berserk in Evolution Class, Threatens to Kill Professor and Classmates.
Need I tell you which side of the debate this person apparently supports?
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Four More Tears Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:09:53pm |
Firing up the Starhawk open beta. Let’s see what this puppy can do…
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BryanS Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:10:17pm |
re: #9 Lidane
The only equation needed: GOP = Screwed.
Also, there is this: Image: fourmoreyears.jpg
Meh…too early to assume that. I’m fine voting Romney—though I’m not really excited by him. That’s the sentiment of most of the right.
The youth turnout stats in Illinois aren’t all that good of a comparison, though. It was Obama’s home state after all, and Clinton also had Illinois roots. Other states may show similar data, and that would be noteworthy. But Illinois comparisons don’t mean anything. If Obama doesn’t carry Illinois by a mile, he’s not able to win.
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Lidane Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:13:53pm |
ABL is in fine form tonight:
Rep. Cathy McMorris-Rodgers (R-WA) Thinks Democrats Are Scaring Women
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erik_t Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:14:53pm |
re: #19 BryanS
Meh…too early to assume that. I’m fine voting Romney—though I’m not really excited by him. That’s the sentiment of most of the right.
The youth turnout stats in Illinois aren’t all that good of a comparison, though. It was Obama’s home state after all, and Clinton also had Illinois roots. Other states may show similar data, and that would be noteworthy. But Illinois comparisons don’t mean anything. If Obama doesn’t carry Illinois by a mile, he’s not able to win.
How many shakes must Romneysketch perform before you will be able to pull his lever?
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Political Atheist Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:16:36pm |
re: #12 Charles Johnson
Notice that in 1996 when Bill Clinton was running unopposed, the turnout was even lower.
If these numbers hold for the national turnout, the GOP is in for a massive fail this November.
Is this maybe what the fall of a party will look like?
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Lidane Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:17:27pm |
re: #19 BryanS
At this point, I’m assuming that the GOP clown show goes on until June. Last I checked, Santorum is leading here in Texas by a near 3-to-1 margin over Mitt and the primary here isn’t until late May. The longer it drags out, the more people get turned off to Mitt and to the GOP, especially with this bullshit war on women they’re fighting.
They really are praying for an economic collapse, or for a brokered convention, at least in the blogosphere. It’s not good.
That’s not to say that Obama will cruise to re-election. It’s going to be hard fought. But right now the GOP are doing their damndest to piss people off.
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Interesting Times Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:18:22pm |
re: #20 Lidane
ABL is in fine form tonight:
Rep. Cathy McMorris-Rodgers (R-WA) Thinks Democrats Are Scaring Women
In which I present the ideal GOP woman, whom Cathy McMorris-Rogers apparently aspires to emulate:
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:18:45pm |
re: #17 Shiplord Kirel
How terribly rational.
/
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Lidane Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:18:58pm |
re: #10 Targetpractice
Don’t worry, if Santorum’s saying it today, Romney will be saying it come October.
Unless they shake the Romney Etch-a-Sketch too hard.
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erik_t Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:19:44pm |
re: #21 erik_t
How many shakes must Romneysketch perform before you will be able to pull his lever?
That may have come out sounding dirtier than I intended.
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BryanS Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:19:50pm |
re: #21 erik_t
How many shakes must Romneysketch perform before you will be able to pull his lever?
That’s exactly his problem—his shifting positions over time.
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TedStriker Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:20:53pm |
re: #12 Charles Johnson
Notice that in 1996 when Bill Clinton was running unopposed, the turnout was even lower.
If these numbers hold for the national turnout, the GOP is in for a massive fail this November.
I was thinking the same thing, looking at those numbers.
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zora Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:22:48pm |
re: #17 Shiplord Kirel
Some youth I don’t want to see turn out anywhere but the local psychiatric ward:
Student Goes Berserk in Evolution Class, Threatens to Kill Professor and Classmates.
Need I tell you which side of the debate this person apparently supports?
[Embedded content]
the crazy side? cuz she’s got more problems than ones involving evolution.
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erik_t Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:23:05pm |
re: #28 BryanS
That’s exactly his problem—his shifting positions over time.
There’s nothing wrong with your positions evolving with new data and reconsidered priorities, provided you actually have any positions in the first place.
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Targetpractice Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:24:30pm |
re: #23 Lidane
At this point, I’m assuming that the GOP clown show goes on until June. Last I checked, Santorum is leading here in Texas by a near 3-to-1 margin over Mitt and the primary here isn’t until late May. The longer it drags out, the more people get turned off to Mitt and to the GOP, especially with this bullshit war on women they’re fighting.
They really are praying for an economic collapse, or for a brokered convention, at least in the blogosphere. It’s not good.
That’s not to say that Obama will cruise to re-election. It’s going to be hard fought. But right now the GOP are doing their damndest to piss people off.
Don’t think there’s a group of voters they haven’t made every effort to piss off. That the base is now praying for a brokered convention, in the hopes of having a “do-over” or bringing in some “white knight” to save the party from itself, is a sign of just how fraked things are. Willard may very well be “inevitable,” but he’s certainly not making a good show of being so.
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BryanS Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:26:20pm |
re: #23 Lidane
At this point, I’m assuming that the GOP clown show goes on until June. Last I checked, Santorum is leading here in Texas by a near 3-to-1 margin over Mitt and the primary here isn’t until late May. The longer it drags out, the more people get turned off to Mitt and to the GOP, especially with this bullshit war on women they’re fighting.
They really are praying for an economic collapse, or for a brokered convention, at least in the blogosphere. It’s not good.
That’s not to say that Obama will cruise to re-election. It’s going to be hard fought. But right now the GOP are doing their damndest to piss people off.
Pure politics opinion here, but I don’t think the war on women meme is doing anything other than firing up Obama’s base. The right has also gotten fired up on the opposite side over the same issue. All things equal, I call that a wash.
For now, it is clear that Gingrich is out—which really wasn’t all that clear until Gingrich failed to win in his next strangest states after Georgia and S.C. Gingrich may not have formally dropped out, but practically he is out. The GOP is now down to two, and already there is a slow rumbling chorus growing that will rally around Romney (Jeb Bush endorsement, Bob Dole calling for Santorum to drop out). Those calls will continue since the math would require Santorum to get 70% of the remaining delegates to win.
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engineer cat Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:27:41pm |
re: #22 Daniel Ballard
Is this maybe what the fall of a party will look like?
i worry though - the recent voting requirements hanky panky makes it clear that the gop will cheat unmercifully to win this election if they can
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BryanS Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:27:57pm |
re: #31 erik_t
There’s nothing wrong with your positions evolving with new data and reconsidered priorities, provided you actually have any positions in the first place.
Romney’s position was “I want to be elected”. Though to expect anything else from someone running for higher office is a bit naive.
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erik_t Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:29:05pm |
re: #33 BryanS
Pure politics opinion here, but I don’t think the war on women meme is doing anything other than firing up Obama’s base. The right has also gotten fired up on the opposite side over the same issue. All things equal, I call that a wash.
Facts have a well-known liberal bias.
When a Wall Street Journal-NBC News survey asked in the summer which party should control Congress, 46 percent of women favored Democrats and 42 percent preferred Republican control.
But in a survey released Monday [3/5/12], compiling data since the beginning of the year, that figure had widened considerably to a 15-point advantage for the Democrats
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Targetpractice Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:30:36pm |
re: #33 BryanS
Pure politics opinion here, but I don’t think the war on women meme is doing anything other than firing up Obama’s base. The right has also gotten fired up on the opposite side over the same issue. All things equal, I call that a wash.
For now, it is clear that Gingrich is out—which really wasn’t all that clear until Gingrich failed to win in his next strangest states after Georgia and S.C. Gingrich may not have formally dropped out, but practically he is out. The GOP is now down to two, and already there is a slow rumbling chorus growing that will rally around Romney (Jeb Bush endorsement, Bob Dole calling for Santorum to drop out). Those calls will continue since the math would require Santorum to get 70% of the remaining delegates to win.
Chorus or no chorus, I doubt Rick’s gonna drop until the very last vote is counted in the primaries, if not dragging it to the convention. The goal doesn’t seem so much to win the nomination now as to deny it to Romney until the convention, when they can each make their cases before a brokered convention about why they should win the nomination despite losing so badly in the primaries. That’s Newt’s stated goal, very like Paul’s, and Santorum likely is working on the same wavelength.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:33:00pm |
re: #22 Daniel Ballard
Is this maybe what the fall of a party will look like?
Look at the whigs in 1856 and ask that question again.
I’d say “yes”.
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erik_t Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:33:07pm |
re: #35 BryanS
Romney’s position was “I want to be elected”. Though to expect anything else from someone running for higher office is a bit naive.
What is this, MBF’s Greatest Hits?
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Interesting Times Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:33:50pm |
re: #35 BryanS
Romney’s position was “I want to be elected”. Though to expect anything else from someone running for higher office is a bit naive.
To defend Mitt Romney’s dizzying douchebaggery is the very definition of naive. Or disingenuous. #flipflop #etchasketch #panderingprickputhisdogontheroofduringhighwaydriving
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:36:29pm |
re: #37 Targetpractice
He may think he’s anointed. The funderpmentalists think he’s anointed. Dropping out, for him and/or his base, might mean the same thing as ignoring/defying the calling of The Almighty.
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Targetpractice Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:39:09pm |
re: #41 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
He may think he’s anointed. The funderpmentalists think he’s anointed. Dropping out, for him and/or his base, might mean the same thing as ignoring/defying the calling of The Almighty.
Yep, his odds may be long, but they’re still way more than 0, and that’s all he needs to know to stay in this race.
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BryanS Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:39:56pm |
re: #36 erik_t
polls and damn polls. you could also look at a washington post poll around that time showing Obama trending negative in a similar time frame—a few days later
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]
And one datapoint that was pretty curious (though not trended, so we couldn’t draw conclusions about recent events) is that the Dems lost ground while GOP gained ground on the question of supporting issues important to women over hte past couple years:
34. On another subject, which political party would you say cares more about issues that are especially important to women - the (Democrats) or the (Republicans)?
Both Neither No
Democrats Republicans (vol.) (vol.) opinion
3/10/12 55 30 3 5 7
4/2/00 58 24 5 4 9
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BryanS Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:42:52pm |
re: #39 erik_t
What is this, MBF’s Greatest Hits?
Who? Trying to figure which acronym I should attribute that to:
[Link: acronyms.thefreedictionary.com…]
“MBF Malted Barley Flour”
Reminds me of beer, so I’ll go with that.
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Irving Thu, Mar 22, 2012 4:12:21am |
re: #12 Charles Johnson
The Republican position seems to be that their base and all their puppies will turn out for the chance to beat Obama, even if their candidate is uninspiring. Of course, that plan worked terribly well for the Democrats with John Kerry, so…
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Interesting Times Thu, Mar 22, 2012 5:48:28am |
re: #44 BryanS
Who? Trying to figure which acronym I should attribute that to:
“Magical Balance Fairy”, i.e. desperately trying to make a case that “both sides” are equally bad - despite the most glaring, obvious evidence to the contrary. “All politicians lie and flip-flop”, thus disingenuously ignoring the very real questions of context, degree, and extent would be an example.
But that’s okay. If it’s the only way you can feel better about swallowing a Mitt Sandwich in November, knock yourself out :P
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