Dutch Catholic Church Castrated Abused Children for ‘Homosexual Behavior’

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Prepare to be even more appalled by the Catholic Church’s abuse of children than you may already be: Catholic Church Abuse: At Least One Youth Castrated for ‘Homosexuality’.

At least one boy under the age of 16 was castrated to ‘help’ his homosexual feelings while in Catholic church care in the 1950s, the NRC reported on Saturday.

But there are indications at least 10 other boys were also castrated, the paper said. The claims were not included in the Deetman report on sexual abuse within the Catholic church published at the end of last year.

The paper says the one confirmed case concerned a boy - Henk Heithuis - who reported being sexually abused by priests to the police in 1956. After giving evidence, he was placed in a Catholic-run psychiatric institution where he was then castrated because of his ‘homosexual behaviour’.

There are no words.

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Dutch Church Accused of Castrating Up to 10 Young Men

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1 Kragar  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:16:59pm

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2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:17:34pm

As an organized religious institution, the Roman Catholic Church must answer for this.

3 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:18:27pm

And they want to be the ultimate authority on what is "moral" in America?

4 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:19:28pm

I would say he should sue, but how do you put a price on this?

5 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:19:47pm

.................

6 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:22:18pm

Whose bright idea was it to put him in a Catholic-run mental institution after he was molested by a priest?

Wait, wait, why am I even bothering?

7 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:22:36pm

I'm out for the night folks.

It's been a bad week for children getting hurt. I can't do another round of comments.

8 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:23:20pm

re: #7 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm out for the night folks.

It's been a bad week for children getting hurt. I can't do another round of comments.

Yeah, same here.
Night all!

9 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:23:44pm

re: #7 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm out for the night folks.

It's been a bad week for children getting hurt. I can't do another round of comments.

Those blow-up hit-me balloon thingies at the toy store are cheap.

Just saying.

10 Kragar  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:23:46pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

And they want to be the ultimate authority on what is "moral" in America?

They fucked that up a long time ago.

11 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:25:38pm
The paper says the one confirmed case concerned a boy - Henk Heithuis - who reported being sexually abused by priests to the police in 1956. After giving evidence, he was placed in a Catholic-run psychiatric institution where he was then castrated because of his ‘homosexual behaviour’.

I was reading about this the other day. Apparently they castrated young boys to punish them for coming forward with accusations of molestation. I have no adequate words for the loathing I feel for this criminal organization.

12 Gus  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:30:03pm

Very disturbing.

13 jaunte  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:33:13pm

NYT:

The victim, Henk Heithuis, lived in Catholic institutions from infancy after being taken into care. When he complained about sexual abuse to the police, Mr. Heithuis, 20 at the time, was transferred to a Catholic psychiatric hospital before being admitted to the St. Joseph Hospital in Veghel, where he was castrated.
....
Mr. Heithuis had also described his ordeal verbally, Mr. Rogge said.

“He was strapped to a bed,” Mr. Rogge said, describing Mr. Heithuis’s statement. “In one stroke, his scrotum was cut out. Then he was taken to an infirmary to rest and recover. Then the other boys received the same treatment. He could hear them screaming.”
....
Mr. Dohmen said that the man accused of abusing Mr. Heithuis was investigated but not prosecuted. He was transferred to Nova Scotia, where he started a home for boys.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

I wonder how long it will take for the head of this organization to say something about this crime.

14 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:35:52pm

re: #13 jaunte

I wonder how long it will take for the head of this organization to say something about this crime.

I'm sure we'll hear Bill Donahue's (spit) pretzel logic excuses long before we hear from him.

15 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:36:19pm

re: #14 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I'm sure we'll hear Bill Donahue's (spit) pretzel logic excuses long before we hear from him.

I was just thinking of him.

16 jaunte  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:37:21pm

May 11, 2010:

Pope Benedict XVI on Tuesday issued his most forceful remarks on the sexual abuse crisis sweeping the Catholic Church. He called it “truly terrifying” and, in a marked shift in tone, suggested that its origins lay with abusive priests and with highly placed church officials who for decades concealed or minimized the problem.
.....
But every step forward seemed to be undercut by other Vatican officials, who at turns blamed the media or perceived enemies of the church for the sexual abuse crisis. Most notable among these officials was Cardinal Angelo Sodano, a former Vatican secretary of state and dean of the College of Cardinals. On Easter, Cardinal Sodano dismissed criticism of the pope as “petty gossip,” words that offended many victims. [Link: www.nytimes.com...]

17 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:38:52pm

Imagine the world run by the Church, with no checks and balances.

18 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:39:29pm

re: #17 Liberal Entity

Imagine the world run by the Church, with no checks and balances.

A scary world.

19 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:39:56pm

re: #17 Liberal Entity


Hell.

20 jaunte  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:40:08pm

Cardinal Angelo Sodano:

Sodano was the recipient of financial gifts from the members of the Legion of Christ. According to an ex-member of the Legion: "Cardinal Sodano was the cheerleader for the Legion. He'd come give a talk at Christmas and they'd give him $10,000. Another priest recalled a $5,000 donation to Sodano.[2]

In 1998 Sodano intervened to halt an investigation into sexual abuse by the Legion's founder, Marcial Maciel. The investigation had been headed by Joseph Ratzinger, who at the time was head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. After Ratzinger became Pope Benedict XVI, the Vatican published a report finding that Maciel had sexually abused young men and fathered at least one child.[2]

Austen Ivereigh argues that Sodano was "bought" by financial gifts from Maciel and other members of the Legion of Christ, and should resign.[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

21 Interesting Times  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:41:35pm

re: #17 Liberal Entity

Imagine the world run by the Church, with no checks and balances.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

22 EdDantes  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:43:01pm

1950's? Not 1250's? (no other comment)

23 Lidane  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:43:22pm

What. The. FUCK. I just... I can't. This is just so wrong.

I think it's time to go listen to some music for a bit. I need time to process.

24 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:43:49pm

re: #22 EdDantes

1950's? Not 1250's? (no other comment)

Yep.

25 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:44:41pm

re: #17 Liberal Entity

Imagine the world run by the Church, with no checks and balances.

The RCC does not rule the world, yet there are still barely any checks or balances, barely any legal consequences for their malfeasance.

26 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:49:17pm

re: #6 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Whose bright idea was it to put him in a Catholic-run mental institution after he was molested by a priest?

Wait, wait, why am I even bothering?

Well, it is bright from a certain ammoral "shut him away and no have to deal with his allegations" line of thought.


Shit. Once again I'm being glib because I can't think of anything to articulate how utterly stunned, saddened and outraged I am. This is just so foul.

27 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:50:09pm

Pro-life. Anti-testicles.

28 Gus  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:50:14pm

LGBT. Experimented on. Imprisoned. Jailed. Beaten. Murdered. Medicalized. Diagnosed. That was almost the norm before Stonewall.

29 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:50:58pm

re: #28 Gus

LGBT. Experimented on. Imprisoned. Jailed. Beaten. Murdered. Medicalized. Diagnosed. That was almost the norm before Stonewall.

And their opponents have the nerve to claim that they are victims.

30 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:51:59pm

Looks like I picked the wrong time to join in. I'm think gonna follow SFZ & Lidane and sit this one out.

31 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:53:02pm

"But you see, we want to control not only the lady bits!"

32 Gus  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:53:29pm

re: #31 Liberal Entity

"But you see, we want to control not only the lady bits!"

Yes sire!

33 Gus  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:54:32pm

It's almost, diabolical.

34 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:55:38pm

re: #33 Gus

It's almost, diabolical.

Almost?

35 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:58:05pm

This is why we need strong church state separation. To keep unaccountable criminal organizations from having the power to determine the fate of a person's reproductive organs.

36 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:58:28pm

Disclaimer: hatin' on an organized religious institution is not the same as hatin' on a religion or believers.

37 EdDantes  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:59:04pm

The Dutch have historically been known for their liberalism (in the classical sense) I don't understand this.

38 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:00:08pm

re: #37 EdDantes

The Dutch have historically been known for their liberalism (in the classical sense) I don't understand this.

Aha! That's the problem! Too much liberalism! The Church must get even more conservative!

39 EdDantes  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:00:19pm

re: #34 Liberal Entity

Almost?

Damn near!

40 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:00:46pm

It's just creepy as hell and impossible for me to comprehend.

41 Gus  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:01:39pm

re: #39 EdDantes

Damn near!

It already has the organ music no doubt.

42 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:01:47pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

And their opponents have the nerve to claim that they are victims.

“I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do.”
- D. Dale Gulledge

43 erik_t  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:02:19pm

My usual 'well, but...' quasi-defense would be that the Roman Catholic Church is so bureaucratically ponderous that it seems more likely to be incompetence than malice ignorant malice than intentional malice.

I can no longer mount even these quasi-defenses with honesty or sincerity, even if I wanted to. Which I don't.

It is unpleasant to decide in what quantity and with what language I pass on these sorts of stories to my raised-Catholic parents. It's unfair to them to shove this in their face; it's unfair to apparently many thousands of abused children not to.

44 jaunte  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:02:25pm

re: #37 EdDantes

Well, sort of.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

45 Gus  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:03:03pm

re: #35 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter

This is why we need strong church state separation. To keep unaccountable criminal organizations from having the power to determine the fate of a person's reproductive organs.

True. But I'm sure you would agree that sometimes these things have occurred under secular reasoning.

46 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:03:06pm

re: #39 EdDantes

Damn near!

Well, I'll concede that it's even worse than the Mormon Church's "electric aversion therapy".

47 Gus  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:05:00pm

LGBT History: The Decade of Lobotomies, Castration and Institutions

Homosexual Dachau? This name doesn't have anything to do with World War II. More than any other mental institution in the United States, Atascadero State Hospital (photograph) was a chamber of horrors for homosexuals. The tag "Homosexual Dachau" was well-earned for its forced lobotomies, castrations and brutal treatments practiced at that facility. Hundreds of gays and lesbians were forcibly sent by their families to be cured of homosexuality which, as recently as the early 1970s, was considered a sexual and psychological disorder.

The 1950's were an especially dark time for homosexuals. Because of the witch hunts by Senator Joseph McCarthy, Americans started passing horrible and oppressive laws against homosexuality. Same-sex behavior was linked to treason and Communism in that period. Ironically, Senator McCarthy had many homosexual aides at the time led by lawyer Roy Cohen. As the witch hunt spread across America, homosexuals with no politics were sent to the worst institutions imaginable.

Even up until 1971, simply being a homosexual could result in a life sentence. Twenty states had laws stating that the mere fact you were a homosexual was reason for imprisonment. In California (of all places) and Pennsylvania, we could be put away for life in a mental hospital. In seven states castration was permitted as a way to stop homosexual 'deviants.'

Continues.

48 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:05:39pm

re: #45 Gus

True. But I'm sure you would agree that sometimes these things have occurred under secular reasoning.

Sure. Any organization willing to engage in criminal conspiracy should be kept far away from government and from having power over people's lives.

49 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:06:44pm

re: #36 Liberal Entity

Disclaimer: hatin' on an organized religious institution is not the same as hatin' on a religion or believers.

It's hard not to hate an organization such as this, but I try not to. Still, hate or no hate, I will oppose it with every breath. It is the only true moral choice that I can conceive of.

50 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:07:25pm

re: #47 Gus

LGBT History: The Decade of Lobotomies, Castration and Institutions

This is scary. I have to say as a highly functioning autistic, someone who very easily could have received similar treatment, this is exactly why I strongly support gays and lesbians being treated with dignity. For much of history, they have been treated terribly simply because of who they're attracted and that is and will always be wrong.

51 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:09:04pm

re: #45 Gus

True. But I'm sure you would agree that sometimes these things have occurred under secular reasoning.

Sure, one can remember about Turing, for example.

52 darthstar  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:10:19pm

I hate global warming...six feet of snow last week and it looked like June driving up here today.

53 Gus  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:10:31pm

re: #51 Liberal Entity

Sure, one can remember about Turing, for example.

You would have to remind me. :)

54 Gus  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:11:11pm

re: #52 darthstar

I hate global warming...six feet of snow last week and it looked like June driving up here today.

The engine never stops.

55 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:11:47pm

re: #53 Gus

Alan Turing.

56 Gus  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:13:19pm

re: #55 Liberal Entity

Alan Turing.

I was on that page. Looks familiar too. Fucking suicide in the end. Awful.

57 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:15:32pm

I wouldn't be sad if the Catholic church withered away, never to bear fruit again. Today or tomorrow, whichever is convenient.


Ooooh, bible burn!

58 jaunte  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:17:05pm

@goldietaylor tweets:

Somehow, I missed the fact that #Trayvon had been laying in a morgue for 3 days before his parents found him. Damn.
...
Why didn't detectives dial the last number on his cell phone? BTW, where is that phone?...
...
#Trayvon was listed as a John Doe for THREE EFFEN DAYS...
...
Every teenager in America has photos of themselves on their cell phone. Why didn't they copy one and pass them out to neighbors?
...
Even as he was announcing his leave of absence, the police chief said he stood by his officers and their investigation...

59 EdDantes  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:17:54pm

re: #44 jaunte

Well, sort of.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Didn't read it all of course but many dissenters over the years have found refuge in the Netherlands including the Pilgrims and Jews.

60 jaunte  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:19:05pm

re: #59 EdDantes

It's true that they were fairly liberal at home, while maintaining a corporate-run empire overseas.

61 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:21:08pm

For the former Lizard that admired the writings of Nietzsche and viewed them as a validation of his Catholic faith...

"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not
prove anything."
-Nietzsche

62 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:22:00pm

Nobody ever really took care of this young man, did they? His parents put him in a home. The home abused him. He reported it and was victimized again.

No advocates for Henk.

63 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:22:11pm

re: #61 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Who dat? Sounds a bit like Cato.

64 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:24:02pm

re: #60 jaunte

The Dutch East India Company is a commie myth.

65 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:24:16pm

don't worry

presnit rombly will fix everything by using his real world free markup experience to make the united states profitable business once again

66 EdDantes  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:24:53pm

re: #60 jaunte

It's true that they were fairly liberal at home, while maintaining a corporate-run empire overseas.

No disagreement here. I was commenting on domestic policy.

67 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:24:55pm

re: #65 engineer cat

don't worry

presnit rombly will fix everything by using his real world free markup experience to make the united states profitable business once again

Does it come with a free etch-a-sketch at least?

68 Gus  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:25:31pm

re: #64 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

The Dutch East India Company is a commie myth.

Just like Standard Oil and Skull and Bones.

69 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:25:34pm

*siren*

70 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:25:37pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

Dry Erase Board, white.

71 jaunte  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:25:44pm

re: #64 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Well, it wasn't really precisely on topic, but I'm pretty sure the Dutch display the range of intolerance that most people do.

72 Gus  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:26:07pm

re: #69 Liberal Entity

*siren*

[Looks around.]

73 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:26:31pm

re: #72 Gus

You didn't notice?

74 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:26:45pm

I didn't realize there was such a large Catholic population in the Netherlands.

75 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:26:57pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

Does it come with a free etch-a-sketch at least?

presnit rombly will free the company that makes etch-a-sketch from burdensome federal regulations so hard it will never lobby again without a limp

76 Gus  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:27:23pm

re: #73 Liberal Entity

You didn't notice?

Spy closed. Drifting.

77 BryanS  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:27:46pm
There are no words.

Hitchens has some:

Well, in the jubilee millennium year of 2000 the Vatican spokesman Bishop Piero Marini said, explaining a whole sermon of apology given by His Holiness the Pope, given the number of sins we’ve committed in the course of twenty centuries, reference to them must necessarily be rather summary. Well I think Bishop Marini had that just about right, I’ll have to be summary, too. His Holiness on that occasion—it was March the 12th, 2000, if you wish to look it up—begged forgiveness for, among some other things, the crusades, the Inquisition, the persecution of the Jewish people, in justice towards women, that’s half the human race right there, and the forced conversion of indigenous peoples, especially in South America, the African slave trade, the admission that Galileo was right, and for silence during Hitler’s Final Solution or Shoah. And it doesn’t end there, there are smaller but significant—equally significant—avowals of a very bad conscience. These have included regret for the rape and torture of orphans and other children in church-run schools in almost every country on Earth, from Ireland to Australia. These are very serious matters, and they’re not to be laughed off by the references to the occasional work of Catholic charities. But I draw you attention not just to the apologies, ladies and gentlemen, but to the evasive and euphemistic form that they take. Joseph Ratzinger, the current Pope, considered by some, considered by Catholics to be the Vicar of Christ on Earth, in his comment, one of the few he’s made on the institutionalisation of rape and torture and maltreatment of children in Catholic institutions, he said it’s a very severe crisis which involves us, he said, in the following: in the need for applying to these victims the most loving, pastoral care. Well I’m sorry, they’ve already had that, and to say that this is the response to be laid upon you, by the horrific admission that you’ve already had to make is not accepting responsibility in any adult sense. The same euphemism comes, in the term some Christians allow themselves to be deceived in this way and to act against the gospel, well, anti-Semitism was preached as an official doctrine of the Church until 1964. Do you think that might have something to do with public opinion in Austria, and Bavaria, and Poland, and Lithuania? There’ll come a time, when the church will issue apologies, and explanations, and half-baked appeals for forgiveness for things it’s still doing. I think that there will be an apology for what happened in Rwanda, the most Catholic country in Africa, where priests and nuns and bishops are on trial, for inciting from their pulpits and on the Church’s radio stations and newspapers, the massacre of their brothers and sisters. Staying in Africa, I think it will one day be admitted with shame that it might have been in error to say that AIDS is bad as a disease, very bad, but not quite as bad as condoms are bad, or not as immoral in the same way. I say it in the presence of His Grace, and I say it to his face, the teachings of his church are responsible for the death and suffering and misery of his brother and sister Africans, and he should apologise for it, he should show some shame. For condemning my friend Stephen Fry for his nature, for saying you couldn’t be a member of our church, you’re born in sin. He’s not being condemned for what he does, he’s being condemned for what he is. You’re a child made in the image of God – oh no, you’re not, you’re a faggot, and you can’t join our church and you can’t go to heaven. This is disgraceful, it’s inhuman, it’s obscene, and it comes from a clutch of hysterical, sinister virgins, who’ve already betrayed their charge in the children of their own church. For shame! For shame!

78 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:28:09pm

re: #62 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Nobody ever really took care of this young man, did they? His parents put him in a home. The home abused him. He reported it and was victimized again.

No advocates for Henk.

That happens sometimes.

Frankly, this story reminds me of the Soviet use of mental hospitals to imprison dissidents.

79 Gus  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:28:45pm

re: #77 BryanS

Now there's a paragraph.

80 BryanS  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:31:09pm

re: #79 Gus

Now there's a paragraph.

Hitchens has a way of doing that :)

It's from the intelligence squared debate on whether the Catholic church was a force for good in the world. By vote of the audience, the church lost the debate. Big time :)

81 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:34:08pm

re: #80 BryanS

Hitch could be infuriatingly wrong sometimes, but was he a killer of sacred cows!

82 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:35:10pm

re: #71 jaunte

Well, it wasn't really precisely on topic, but I'm pretty sure the Dutch display the range of intolerance that most people do.

I'd imagine the Dutch reputation for openness and tolerance is more widespread in the big cities (Amsterdam, Rotterdam, etc) than in the countryside.

83 EdDantes  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:36:02pm

Lord, Don't let me be judged by the standards of 400 years hence.

84 jaunte  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:36:40pm
85 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:37:06pm

re: #82 Surabaya Stew

I'd imagine the Dutch reputation for openness and tolerance is more widespread in the big cities (Amsterdam, Rotterdam, etc) than in the countryside.

I imagine the same could be said about many places. The cities have always been more liberal in the broad sense of the word than the countryside.

86 dragonath  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:37:33pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

I didn't realize there was such a large Catholic population in the Netherlands.

Yeah I looked that up too and was pretty shocked. A good part of the Netherlands was under the Spanish crown for some time, so that might explain part of it.

Image: Nederlandgodsdienst1849-en.PNG

87 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:38:14pm

re: #83 EdDantes

Lord, Don't let me be judged by the standards of 400 years hence.

I'm pretty sure that even 400 years ago, raping little boys was considered bad.

88 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:39:26pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

Does it come with a free etch-a-sketch at least?

That was actually a pretty good metaphor to my eyes, not a gaffe at all.

89 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:39:45pm

re: #60 jaunte

It's true that they were fairly liberal at home, while maintaining a corporate-run empire overseas.

Damn right. The privileges extended to the average Dutch citizen were absent towards their colonial peons.

90 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:39:50pm

re: #86 Beware the Green Dragon!

Yeah I looked that up too and was pretty shocked. A good part of the Netherlands was under the Spanish crown for some time, so that might explain part of it.

Image: Nederlandgodsdienst1849-en.PNG

Ah that would make sense. I think there was a lot of counter-reformation going on there. My understanding is the Spanish were the biggest spreaders of Catholicism.

91 jaunte  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:43:27pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

It would have been perfectly harmless if Romney hadn't already made himself known for his extreme flexibility.

92 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:44:32pm

re: #91 jaunte

It would have been perfectly harmless if Romney hadn't already made himself known for his extreme flexibility.

Yes. Besides I just wanted a harmless joke at Mitt's expense.

93 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:44:45pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

Ah that would make sense. I think there was a lot of counter-reformation going on there. My understanding is the Spanish were the biggest spreaders of Catholicism.

The Spanish legacy persists even today, as Dutch Christians are split: 60% Protestant (mostly Calvinist) and 40% catholic. Same goes for the Christian breakdown in their largest colony (Indonesia).

94 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:46:22pm

what a rotten structure

95 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:47:17pm

re: #93 Surabaya Stew

The Spanish legacy persists even today, as Dutch Christians are split: 60% Protestant (mostly Calvinist) and 40% catholic. Same goes for the Christian breakdown in their largest colony (Indonesia).

I had no idea it was that high. I'm personally curious to see what Switzerland is like. Family lore says my Dad's dad's grandparents were originally Swiss-German. They were Catholic from what I know. Not sure if Catholicism in Switzerland is regional or random.

96 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:47:38pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

That was actually a pretty good metaphor to my eyes, not a gaffe at all.

you'll need to explain that to the santorum and gingrich campaigns

97 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:48:30pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

All over the place.

98 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:49:24pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

That was actually a pretty good metaphor to my eyes, not a gaffe at all.

It was a great metaphor, agreed. One that should have never have been voiced by his campaign spokesperson! Seriously, it speaks to all of the unease that people see and feel about Romney, that he is a man willing to change and do-over his prior positions on certain topics everything he says.

99 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:49:26pm

re: #93 Surabaya Stew

The Spanish legacy persists even today, as Dutch Christians are split: 60% Protestant (mostly Calvinist) and 40% catholic. Same goes for the Christian breakdown in their largest colony (Indonesia).

it could have been that many of the people there were never protestants at all

the whole area is pretty close to france, and i'm not sure what the religious history of belgium is either...

100 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:50:15pm

re: #99 engineer cat

it could have been that many of the people there were never protestants at all

the whole area is pretty close to france, and i'm not sure what the religious history of belgium is either...

Belgians? I think they're more Catholic traditionally.

101 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:50:57pm

2012

"never interfere when your enemies are fighting each other" ON STEROIDS!

102 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:51:08pm

re: #97 SpaceJesus

All over the place.

Thanks. Didn't know that. It's an unique country given the large numbers of Italian, French, and German speakers.

103 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:51:33pm

re: #94 SpaceJesus

what a rotten structure

They are about as wholesome as a jar of mayonnaise left open in the sun for a month.

104 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:52:19pm

SpaceJesus wept.

105 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:52:46pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

I had no idea it was that high. I'm personally curious to see what Switzerland is like. Family lore says my Dad's dad's grandparents were originally Swiss-German. They were Catholic from what I know. Not sure if Catholicism in Switzerland is regional or random.

If memory serves me correctly (insert Iron Chef joke), Swiss christain demographics break down in about the same proportions as Holland. For example, many of the famous Swiss guards of the Vatican are native German speakers.

106 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:53:07pm

The Church was just trying to stop those boys from using their wee-wee's for evil sinful purposes. It was obviously the only way to be entirely sure that they would no longer sin in a way that contravenes Gods law for us...

One wonders why they don't castrate all priests also, after all that would ensure celibacy wouldn't it, and prevent them from sinning too?

///

107 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:53:45pm

re: #103 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter

Speaking of poison elementals, this story is churning my stomach. I need to go do something else.

Good night folks.

108 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:54:28pm

re: #105 Surabaya Stew

If memory serves me correctly (insert Iron Chef joke), Swiss christain demographics break down in about the same proportions as Holland. For example, many of the famous Swiss guards of the Vatican are native German speakers.

That would make sense given their proxmity to Bavaria and Southern Germany. I imagine the Italian speakers too are mostly Catholic. It's a fascinating country for many reasons. I've yet to visit. I would love too. I saw the Alps when I was in Germany and Austria. Absolutely beautiful.

109 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:55:16pm

i'm afraid that unfortunately the political climate in the united states is such that mr romney will, regretfully, be unable to find many opportunities to explain the subtleties of his rhetorical sallies if for some reason they are misunderstood or misinterpreted

ahem

110 dragonath  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:55:55pm

It should be interesting to see what the mass attendance is like in the Catholic areas of Europe. I think in Ireland the numbers went from something like 90% in the 50s to about +/-10% today. With all the scandals in recent years who can blame them.

111 Kragar  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:56:25pm

Organized religion is a blight.

112 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:57:44pm

re: #110 Beware the Green Dragon!

It should be interesting to see what the mass attendance is like in the Catholic areas of Europe. I think in Ireland the numbers went from something like 90% in the 50s to about +/-10% today. With all the scandals in recent years who can blame them.

Ireland I can attest from my month studying/living in Galway is much less religious than it used to be. More liberal too which I don't think is a coincidence.

113 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:59:03pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

Swiss German is almost not even German at all. I'm pretty sure it was invented to troll German tourists actually

114 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:00:40pm

re: #113 SpaceJesus

Swiss German is almost not even German at all. I'm pretty sure it was invented to troll German tourists actually

You're probably right. All I know is I've heard from older relatives on my Dad's side that we're so called Swiss-German but then again they also claim that my great great grandparents were from Dusseldorf which is Western Germany.

115 Gus  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:01:57pm
Youtube Video
116 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:02:46pm

(The Gus Porn.)///

117 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:02:58pm

re: #114 HappyWarrior

That's kinda weird. Rhein Swiss.

118 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:03:55pm

The catholic church castrates boys, and the evangelical movement ostracizes and abuses them to suicide


Jesus saves!

119 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:06:07pm

re: #117 SpaceJesus

That's kinda weird. Rhein Swiss.

Yeah I know right but it's very possible that my relatives don't know what they're talking about. I never knew my Dad's dad who was the first American born on that side of the family. I've long figured given that side of the family's inclination towards Catholicism over Lutheranism and their relative new arrival in the US that they were Southern Germans.

120 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:08:39pm

re: #113 SpaceJesus

Swiss German is almost not even German at all. I'm pretty sure it was invented to troll German tourists actually

switzerdeutsch, schwäbisch, plattdeutsch, hochdeutsch

german is much more divided by wildly different dialects than english

english by comparison to german and italian barely has dialects at all

121 dragonath  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:09:21pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

That must have been cool. I've always wanted to go to Ireland.

Ireland even elected Ming the Merciless to the Dail in the last election, an atheist who has, uh, peculiar bog-cutting opinions.

122 freetoken  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:09:35pm

Pew released the latest version of one of their surveys yesterday, on religion and politics.

No surprises here:

More See "Too Much" Religious Talk by Politicians
Santorum Voters Disagree

A new survey finds signs of public uneasiness with the mixing of religion and politics. The number of people who say there has been too much religious talk by political leaders stands at an all-time high since the Pew Research Center began asking the question more than a decade ago. And most Americans continue to say that churches and other houses of worship should keep out of politics.

Nearly four-in-ten Americans (38%) now say there has been too much expression of religious faith and prayer from political leaders, while 30% say there has been too little. In 2010, more said there was too little than too much religious expression from politicians (37% vs. 29%). The percentage saying there is too much expression of religious faith by politicians has increased across party lines, but this view remains far more widespread among Democrats than Republicans.

[...]


Nearly six-in-ten (57%) Republican and Republican-leaning voters who favor Mitt Romney for the Republican nomination say churches should keep out of political matters. By contrast, 60% of GOP voters who support Rick Santorum say that churches and other houses of worship should express their views on social and political questions.

And while 55% of Santorum’s supporters say there is too little expression of religious faith and prayer by political leaders, just 24% of Romney’s backers agree, while 33% say there is too much expression of faith and prayer by politicians.

[...]

However, there has been a noticeable shift in opinions among white Catholics, perhaps reflecting effects from the controversy over the administration’s policies on contraception coverage. The percentage of white Catholics who say the administration is unfriendly to religion has nearly doubled – from 17% to 31% – since 2009. Three years ago, far more white Catholics said the administration was friendly (35%) than unfriendly to religion (17%); today, nearly as many say the administration is unfriendly (31%) as friendly (38%).

[...]

A majority of white evangelical Protestants (60%) say that churches and other houses of worship should express their views on social and political issues. The views of this group have changed little since 2006, even as the public as a whole has increasingly taken the view that religious institutions should keep out of politics.

[...]

123 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:10:29pm

re: #121 Beware the Green Dragon!

That must have been cool. I've always wanted to go to Ireland.

Ireland even elected Ming the Merciless to the Dail in the last election, an atheist who has, uh, peculiar bog-cutting policies.

Yeah beautiful country and kind people. And going to Galway was a bonus given my family's ties there.

124 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:11:29pm

By contrast, 60% of GOP voters who support Rick Santorum say that churches and other houses of worship should express their views on social and political questions

unless it involves getting out of wars

125 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:11:43pm

re: #118 windupbird is in the gravity well

In Italy, where most of the castrations occurred, boys were generally drugged with opium. They were soaked in a hot tub until barely conscious before the operation. 5 One source estimates that the fatality rate due to the amputation procedure was about 80%. 6 Another estimates a death rate of 10 to 80% depending upon the skill of the practitioner. 7 Among the survivors, the vast majority did not become professional singers because their voice was not of sufficiently high quality.

[...]

The European practice of employing castrated boys in the Catholic church's choirs started in the mid 16th century. Castrati were first used during:

Late 1550s in the chapel choir of the Duke of Ferrara.
1574 in the court chapel at Munich, Germany.
1599 in the Sistine Chapel at the Vatican.
1610 in Wьrttemberg, Germany.
1637 in Vienna, Austria.
1640's in Dresden, Germany. 4
Pope Sixtus V issued a papal Bull in 1589 which approved the recruitment of castrati for the choir of St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. Castrati were later widely employed by opera companies.

[...]

Part of the market for castrati was due to the apostle Paul's famous dictum "Mulier taceat in ecclesia" (women are to be silent in church).

[Link: www.religioustolerance.org...]

126 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:14:09pm

re: #120 engineer cat

i speak hochdeutsch and have lived in saxony and austria. i picked up on saechsisch pretty quick, austrian not so much. the further you go towards the alps, the weirder german gets.

127 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:17:31pm

My ten year old kid brother wants to take German as his language when he starts intermediate school next year. I just saw language as a chore in secondary school and college.

128 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:18:30pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

My ten year old kid brother wants to take German as his language when he starts intermediate school next year. I just saw language as a chore in secondary school and college.

My son is corrupting his brothers. They will probably all take German.

So much for family second-language conversations.

The Spanish teacher at the high school is terrible, though, so it's German or French.

129 Lidane  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:20:57pm

Because I still can't process the fail at the top of this thread, here's a political ticket I could get behind:

Image: Campbell/Takei2012.jpg

130 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:22:47pm

re: #128 Mostly sane, most of the time.

My son is corrupting his brothers. They will probably all take German.

So much for family second-language conversations.

The Spanish teacher at the high school is terrible, though, so it's German or French.

Yeah he's got a couple friends who are taking it. I guess I shouldn't worry. He's more proficient at languages than I am because he was exposed to Spanish at an early age and he's smarter than I was. German has always sounded so rough to me. But then again I took two weeks of Russian before realizing I was in way over my head.

131 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:23:28pm

re: #128 Mostly sane, most of the time.

My son is corrupting his brothers. They will probably all take German.

So much for family second-language conversations.

The Spanish teacher at the high school is terrible, though, so it's German or French.

I love languages..I can only speak a few words in lots of languages..
I blew it off in school but now think it enriches kids lives

132 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:24:33pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

But then again I took two weeks of Russian before realizing I was in way over my head.

Ай-яй-яй!

133 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:25:38pm

re: #132 Liberal Entity

Ай-яй-яй!

da, nyet, vodka.

134 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:26:01pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

da, nyet, vodka.

You'll cope.

/

135 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:27:08pm

re: #129 Lidane

Because I still can't process the fail at the top of this thread, here's a political ticket I could get behind:

Image: Campbell/Takei2012.jpg

Fuck yeah!

Or as George Takei would say, "Oh my!"

136 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:27:14pm

re: #134 Liberal Entity

You'll cope.

/

Yeah I know. The history of Russia still fascinates me to the point where I took two classes on Russian history and as you know wrote my term paper on the pogroms. I got an A on that and to think I was worried.

137 Kragar  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:41:22pm

I'm predicting that Cthulhu has a real shot to win the White House this time. The Mayans did say the stars were right this year.

138 EdDantes  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:01:07pm

re: #137 Kragar

I'm predicting that Cthulhu has a real shot to win the White House this time. The Mayans did say the stars were right this year.

That is an eldritch observation

139 dragonath  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:01:26pm

German is so cool. The language of art and culture!

Leonard Nimoy will always be awesome to me not just for Star Trek but for doing the voice acting in a Dreamcast game where you're supposed to talk to a manipulative man faced fish who... oh forget it.

Plus he has a totally berserk photography website.

140 Kragar  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:04:03pm

re: #138 EdDantes

That is an eldritch observation

NO MORE TAXES... EVER!

141 Jaerik  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:05:02pm

There are words, but sadly, Hitchens isn't around to so succinctly verbalize them anymore.

142 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:07:10pm

re: #140 Kragar

NO MORE TAXES... EVER!

Hey, if you're going to vote evil, go all out. You only live once, you know, that is until you wind up a burnt-out husk...

///

143 Kragar  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:09:20pm

re: #142 talon_262

Hey, if you're going to vote evil, go all out. You only live once, you know, that is until you wind up a burnt-out husk...

///

That "lesser evil" stuff gets boring, this it the year to go all out.

144 freetoken  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:09:53pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

I took a couple of years of Latin in High School. Yeah, a dead language, but I'm glad I did. Languages are tough for me - definitely the academic subject which is my most challenging but even more so the practical execution of languages. Even after three years of studying Japanese, including a year in Japan, I still struggle with the most basic of Japanese conversations. Languages are spoken and written, and those are two quite different skills. The latter is more like mathematics and I find it doable, but the hearing and speaking of languages is quite difficult for me.

Your son will probably enjoy German. I've always had the impression that German classes are more engaging that some other language classess. He'll also be able to read important 19th century science and theology papers in their original language.

However, for the future I keep pressing upon people the importance of learning Chinese. We need more Chinese study.

145 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:09:56pm

re: #140 Kragar

NO MORE TAXES... EVER!

Oh, there will be taxation. Just not the monetary kind.

146 Kragar  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:24:40pm

Candidate Cthulhu supports drilling everywhere!

"Yes, break the seals and release my spawn upon the earth!"

147 Kragar  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:28:05pm

Candidate Cthulhu is pro-life!

"Its delicious!"

148 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:29:42pm

re: #146 Kragar

Candidate Cthulhu supports drilling everywhere!

'specially ur mum. Hey, I work in mysterious ways.
/

And this us up for viewing on the South Park website...

Cash For Gold

Cartman launches a gemstones network show and creates a very lucrative business. Stan searches for the real value of a piece of jewelry that was a gift from his Grandpa. Meanwhile, Cartmans lucrative new business preys upon an extremely vulnerable clientele.

149 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:30:08pm

re: #147 Kragar

Candidate Cthulhu is pro-life!

"Its delicious!"

Candidate Cthulhu will never raise your taxes!

one small child every ten years will be fine

150 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:34:12pm

Yes, but how will Candidate Cthulhu address Iran seeking nuclear weapons?

151 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:34:35pm

re: #149 engineer cat

re: #149 engineer cat

Candidate Cthulhu will never raise your taxes!

one small child every ten years days will be fine

BTW, you're fired.

152 AK-47%  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:35:58pm

re: #114 HappyWarrior

You're probably right. All I know is I've heard from older relatives on my Dad's side that we're so called Swiss-German but then again they also claim that my great great grandparents were from Dusseldorf which is Western Germany.

A lotta German-American folks started calling themselves "Swiss" around WWI so as not to be associated with "the enemy".

153 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:36:48pm

monday i start a new job

it's a bit of a stretch and i've been studying hard for it the past two weekends

tomorrow i will be the last day (contract limits) for my current job and i'll hand in my equipment and help interview replacements for my position

tonight i'm working late to finish my last assignments there

154 Kragar  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:40:00pm

re: #150 Targetpractice

Yes, but how will Candidate Cthulhu address Iran seeking nuclear weapons?

"I will personally eat every Iranian."

155 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:40:56pm

re: #150 Targetpractice

Yes, but how will Candidate Cthulhu address Iran seeking nuclear weapons?

By inserting non-euclidean geometry into their equations, and harvesting the charred results for my own appetites.

156 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:43:08pm

re: #151 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

re: #149 engineer cat

BTW, you're fired.

???

157 Kragar  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:43:29pm

Candidate Cthulhu promises to dramatically reduce the size of government, all governments, everywhere on Earth.

158 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:46:15pm

re: #157 Kragar

Candidate Cthulhu promises to dramatically reduce the size of government, all governments, everywhere on Earth.

He will cut the govts so that they can fit into bathtubs in which they will be drowned (presumably in own blood)?

159 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:46:28pm

re: #150 Targetpractice

Yes, but how will Candidate Cthulhu address Iran seeking nuclear weapons?

Candidate Cthulhu promises to look up the meaning of 'address' as soon as he eats you for daring to question him

160 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:46:57pm

re: #156 engineer cat

???

I think the SB was saying that your services as Cthulhu's campaign manager were no longer needed.

/

161 AK-47%  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:47:01pm

re: #157 Kragar

Candidate Cthulhu promises to dramatically reduce the size of government, all governments, everywhere on Earth.

Cthulu is AOINO! (Ancient One in name only)

162 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:50:51pm

re: #160 talon_262

I think the SB was saying that your services as Cthulhu's campaign manager were no longer needed.

/

i wonder how long i will be able to enjoy the profits from my tell-all book about the Cthulhu campaign from the inside before Cthulhu eAAARRRHHHGGGAAAHHH HELP HELP HELP

163 Kragar  Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:52:25pm

re: #161 Second Amendment Renegation

Cthulu is AOINO! (Ancient One in name only)

Candidate Cthulhu has provided the eldritch tablets, hewn from primordial basalt, proving his Great Old One status on numerous occasions, and will no longer take questions on the subject.

164 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:01:13am

re: #163 Kragar

Candidate Cthulhu has provided the eldritch tablets, hewn from primordial basalt, proving his Great Old One status on numerous occasions, and will no longer take questions on the subject.

There are assertions that Candidate Cthulhu had forgeries made of the tablets made in order to seek office illegally. Serious questions remain about the authenticity of these tablets!

//

165 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:01:30am

re: #163 Kragar

Candidate Cthulhu has provided the eldritch tablets, hewn from primordial basalt, proving his Great Old One status on numerous occasions, and will no longer take questions on the subject.

Nothing but an eldritch-a-sketch!!!

166 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:01:56am

Zombie Breitbart Questions PDF Document Layers In Eldrich Cthulhu Tablets

fears no primordial candidate entities as already dead

167 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:02:56am

re: #156 engineer cat

???

DID I FUCKING STUTTER?!?!

168 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:05:32am

Shub-Niggurath, Black Goat of the Woods with a Thousand Young, claims she had 3 millennium sexual relationship with Candidate Cthulhu while vacationing in the Burgess Shale.

The Cthulhu Campaign could not be reached for comment.

169 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:07:32am

re: #166 engineer cat

Zombie Breitbart Questions PDF Document Layers In Eldrich Cthulhu Tablets

fears no primordial candidate entities as already dead

The fool. Death shall not shelter him from my wrath.

/Strange aeons and all that.

170 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:09:52am

re: #168 Kragar

That bitch is a liar. It was 5 millennium, and without a single grain of Viagra.

171 freetoken  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:10:04am

1954... the last year in American pop music before "Rock 'n Roll" took over the charts ... though Bill Haley and the Comets did have a big hit in '54, the likes of Elvis and Buddy Holly and the likes would hit the following year.

Nevertheless, 1954 had many memorable pre-Rock hits, among the best being this one:

MP3 Audio
172 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:11:54am

re: #171 freetoken

Speaking of the Unnameable Elder Ones...

173 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:16:23am

re: #172 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Speaking of the Unnameable Elder Ones...

Speaking of which, Ronnie James Dio first recorded song from 1958

Youtube Video
174 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:17:32am

re: #171 freetoken

1954... the last year in American pop music before "Rock 'n Roll" took over the charts ... though Bill Haley and the Comets did have a big hit in '54, the likes of Elvis and Buddy Holly and the likes would hit the following year.

Nevertheless, 1954 had many memorable pre-Rock hits, among the best being this one:

[Embedded content]

try out this hot pre rock n roll "jump" classic from 1951

Youtube Video

rock n roll actually existed for years before bill haley and the comets, it was just played with saxophones, called "jump" or "race music", and was way too disreputable for most radio stations

175 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:20:13am

re: #173 Kragar

Heh. I played this one for the neighbor kid shortly after Dio passed. His response was "So he was really gay before he was really cool".

176 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:20:17am

re: #167 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

DID I FUCKING STUTTER?!?!

looks like i am gonna hafta put in a few extra unnameable hell bound aons at work again this week

177 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:22:09am

re: #176 engineer cat

looks like i am gonna hafta put in a few extra unnameable hell bound aons at work again this week

"Uhh, yeah...I'm gonna need those TPS reports on my desk by Monday or else I'm going to eat your soul."

178 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:24:27am

re: #2 Liberal Entity

As an organized religious institution, the Roman Catholic Church must answer for this.

But it won't.

And then there were the houses, run by nuns, where young women were sent away, usually for a lifetime, for having the audacity to be raped, get pregnant, or otherwise not walk in lock step with society's expectations.

RCC leadership is corrupt beyond measure. While this church certainly isn't alone with its abuse of children, women, etc., the fact that the pope still holds sway over people is appalling to me. I just read an article where the faithful in Mexico seem to believe that a mere visit from the pope will somehow 'help' with the rampant violence there.

179 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:24:51am

re: #177 talon_262

"Uhh, yeah...I'm gonna need those TPS reports on my desk by Monday or else I'm going to eat your soul."

C'mon now. I may be evil, but I'm not that big of an asshole.

180 freetoken  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:26:28am

re: #174 engineer cat

Quite a bit of early "rock and roll" has its roots in very fast tempo swing music, something that lived on in "rockabilly" music.

It's sort of a seamless transition from the more earthy (read "urban" or non-white) swing groups to the rock era. That's why Rock is a very American innovation, since part of its parentage is the very American music form of Jazz.

But... the Billboard pop charts were still dominated by the white middle class tastes, e.g.:

MP3 Audio

American pop music certainly reflects the times. I think the 60's really stands out with the transition of pop music with more of an international influence (e.g. the "British Invasion".)

My tastes in American pop starts to wane when electronic instruments started to dominate in the 1970's. Pretty much I can listen to anything from the earliest recordings through Sonny & Cher. Somewhere in the mid 70's I just lose interest and the music becomes boring to me.

181 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:29:46am

re: #180 freetoken

Rock/pop music has gotta have guitars in it or I cannot get too interested.

182 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:30:34am

re: #180 freetoken

My tastes in American pop starts to wane when electronic instruments started to dominate in the 1970's. Pretty much I can listen to anything from the earliest recordings through Sonny & Cher. Somewhere in the mid 70's I just lose interest and the music becomes boring to me.

me too

my rock n roll playlist on my ipod has a cut off date of 1966

jimi hendrix was a fookin genius but he is playing rock, not rock n roll

183 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:31:31am

re: #180 freetoken

That just make me reminisce about playing old Fallout games. Depressed yet?

184 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:34:00am

re: #177 talon_262

"Uhh, yeah...I'm gonna need those TPS reports on my desk by Monday or else I'm going to eat your soul."

yeah but that accursed primordial genuine pre cambrian stapler belongs to me

185 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:36:23am

re: #184 engineer cat

yeah but that accursed primordial genuine pre cambrian stapler belongs to me

Is it red?

186 boxhead  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:44:28am

Yet another piece of evidence that when a powerful organization can act in secrecy, bad things can happen. This is especially egregious.

How can society defend against this?

*sigh* yet another scandal about social problems during a time when economic problems should be in the front. I do not want to diminish this horrible crime, but between the GOP war on women, horrible acts of violence here and abroad, more Catholic crimes exposed, and the Dodgers still owned by McCourt, why cannot media, politicians and the rest, focus on issues that will affect our next generation instead of the next quarter?

187 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:47:39am

It was the lax moral atmosphere of The Netherlands in the 1950's that contributed to this scandal.

/

188 freetoken  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:49:08am

Joshua Bell soloist:

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189 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:54:52am

Republican Candidates For 2096 Election Refuse To Give In To Democrat Calls For Modification Of Federal ID System

"Citizen First Class", "Citizen Second Class", "Peon", "Freedman" To Remain In Place At Least As Long As Subversive Activity Continues

190 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:06:03am

re: #189 engineer cat

Republican Candidates For 2096 Election Refuse To Give In To Democrat Calls For Modification Of Federal ID System

"Citizen First Class", "Citizen Second Class", "Peon", "Freedman" To Remain In Place At Least As Long As Subversive Activity Continues

You forgot "Mark of the Beast"

191 researchok  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:22:17am

re: #188 freetoken

Mr Bell may have a future as a fiddler.
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192 freetoken  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:02:24am
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193 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:05:57am

drip, drip, drip...

194 researchok  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:08:07am

re: #192 freetoken

Favorited.

195 freetoken  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:09:04am
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196 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:21:38am

Wow, kind of glad I went to bed before this thread hit.

197 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:38:36am

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All, I have to say on the subject.

Good Morning all!

198 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 3:11:25am

I don't think, in addition to its other problems, Israel really needs soccer holliganism.


[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

199 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 3:32:01am

Morning all.

Up early trying to start shifting my internal clock to European time. (Two days until I go over to Deutschland for two weeks.)

No real comment for the topic. Just another brick in the wall of hierarchies protecting their own and squashing dissent whenever they can.

200 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 3:36:48am

The one benefit of the new GOP: I don't have to hear my 'conservative' friends anodyne defense that the GOP isn't really going to do anything anti-abortion, or that they wouldn't really remove child labor laws.

The bad part: They still pretend this wasn't predictable.

201 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 3:45:20am

re: #199 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Morning all.

Up early trying to start shifting my internal clock to European time. (Two days until I go over to Deutschland for two weeks.)

No real comment for the topic. Just another brick in the wall of hierarchies protecting their own and squashing dissent whenever they can.

Good that you are starting early. Keep in mind that Europe is still on Daylight Savings Time, we do not switch over until Sunday.

Where ya gonna be in Germany?

202 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 3:51:10am

re: #201 Second Amendment Renegation

Good that you are starting early. Keep in mind that Europe is still on Daylight Savings Time, we do not switch over until Sunday.

Where ya gonna be in Germany?

I'll be staying just south of Koln and working over at a plant in Wesseling. Unfortunately I have doubts I will get even a free afternoon to play tourist before I head back to the US.

BTW, for the Easter holidays in Germany is just about everything shutdown like it is in England? (Or at least was when I was in England in the late 90s.)

203 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 3:58:50am

Good Friday is a Holiday, as is Easter Monday. All the shops will be closed; only restaurants, gas stations and tourist shops with special Papal dispensation will be open.

So get your shopping in on Saturday.

204 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 4:02:21am

re: #203 Second Amendment Renegation

Good Friday is a Holiday, as is Easter Monday. All the shops will be closed; only restaurants, gas stations and tourist shops with special Papal dispensation will be open.

So get your shopping in on Saturday.

That's why I'm coming back on Friday rather than opting to extend things a few days to play tourist. My experience in England indicated that it was not the weekend to attempt that. Maybe the next trip.

So I'm treating this as the "getting my feet wet" trip to pick up on some of the things I'll need to do when I do an actual vacation/tourist trip. Plus maybe a bit of scouting about places to visit for coming back with a week or two to do nothing but play tourist.

205 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 4:14:19am

Federal Agents Seize Drugs Sent By Bear In Cave

206 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 4:16:30am

re: #205 Obdicut

Federal Agents Seize Drugs Sent By Bear In Cave

Just plug the address into Google Maps and see what comes up. Nothing? Get a warrant, especially if the dog finds it suspicious.

207 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 4:19:42am

re: #204 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

That's why I'm coming back on Friday rather than opting to extend things a few days to play tourist. My experience in England indicated that it was not the weekend to attempt that. Maybe the next trip.

So I'm treating this as the "getting my feet wet" trip to pick up on some of the things I'll need to do when I do an actual vacation/tourist trip. Plus maybe a bit of scouting about places to visit for coming back with a week or two to do nothing but play tourist.

It's fine for being a tourist that weekend, half the country will be out doing just that. Restaurants and gas stations are open for basic needs. Get on a boat and do a tour up and down the Rhine.

(This ad brought to you by an employee of the Bacharach Tourist Information Office...)

208 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 4:44:46am

re: #207 Second Amendment Renegation

There's this restaurant here in US that does this rustic Austrian theme that's really neat.

[Link: dl.dropbox.com...]

Makes me want to visit Austria to get the original deal.

209 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:16:11am

Morning Lizardim. Happy Friday from the rainy and mild wild north country. I'm going to be in the garden this weekend. In March. Maestro, cue up "The Day The World Turned Upside Down", if you please.

210 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:23:18am

A secondary good morning to the Lizards (from work now).

Time for coffee and contemplating my eventual wrath at analysts who flippantly think I can tweak SAP security just on their say so.

211 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:24:08am

Putting on my Bill (Puke) Donohue hat.

There are things wrong with this story, and other things wrong with the LGF reaction to it in the first hundred or so comments. First, I need to make the standard disclaimers:

1. I was raised in the 1950s, and did 5 years in a Catholic military/reform school. That was followed by 5 years in a Catholic seminary. Thus, I have a couple dogs in this fight.

2. Now I'm an agnostic with an anti-clerical bent. I left the church the same way most people do--quiet departure over philosophical change as my world-picture evolved in college. My wife converted to Catholicism a little before I converted away from it. She is an active lay volunteer.

3. There clearly has been proven pedophilic abuse by priests, rare nuns, and a largely unremarked number of related church workers. That was supported by institutional coverups that are disgusting examples of self-protection of the organization at the cost of the individuals. The frequency of this abuse, measured against abuse in the general comparable population is not well-explored, but it definitely destroys the argument that intense religious practice produces a sanctified life.

I almost commented after Ice's initial page on the Dutch story, but didn't expect it to become a feature article. It's a good place to discuss blog information flow and reactions. In this case that's our Lefty/Anti-idiotarian blog. Our near-universal outrage is heartfelt and rational, but based on a very thin chain of reports and testimony. It is the kind of thing we lampoon other blogs about. We are fastened on one alleged case reported through a series of print and web journals, couched in vague terms of 'may', might', 'as-many-as', and 'could-be'. We don't have any insight to the source, motivations, and credibility of the victim of a 60-year old atrocity. We don't have an appreciation of the politics, agenda, or biases of any of the channels of the reports. We know that it involves sex, children, politics, and power. That's not a good hook on which to hang general condemnation pending investigation.

This article, in which Dutch Church Accused of Castrating Up to 10 Young Men becomes Dutch Catholic Church Castrated Abused Children for ‘Homosexual Behavior’ fails our fact-checking reputation.

I owe the nuns and priests who got me out of a brutal situation, raised, and educated me. And I don't want this to be the article that costs us Reiene.

212 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:30:09am

re: #211 Decatur Deb

What you said is something to take into account. But also to be taken into account is that this is not an isolated incident. The Catholic Church hierarchy has been covering up incidents in multiple countries for decades. And for an organization that has a primary basis in claiming to provide moral and spiritual guidance it is a failing that goes beyond major.

And there has been no clear internal effort to seriously deal with the issue. Sweep it under the rug, blame the victim, and distract by blaming external "enemies". This is denial, not healing.

[Link: www.philly.com...]

213 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:31:37am

re: #211 Decatur Deb

It seems to me that the article is saying there is enough evidence to say that one boy was castrated.

I do think that the fact that secular institutions did this as well was raised pointedly in the thread already, as well.

214 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:36:11am

re: #212 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

What you said is something to take into account. But also to be taken into account is that this is not an isolated incident. The Catholic Church hierarchy has been covering up incidents in multiple countries for decades. And for an organization that has a primary basis in claiming to provide moral and spiritual guidance it is a failing that goes beyond major.

And there has been no clear internal effort to seriously deal with the issue. Sweep it under the rug, blame the victim, and distract by blaming external "enemies". This is denial, not healing.

[Link: www.philly.com...]

It's the first time I've seen homosexual/castration added to the mix. That set off a lot of broad-brush comments. The actions of the church hierarchy have been self-defeating and indefensible. At the same time I won't let the good people who raised me be smeared with the crap dropped by the relatively few monsters in their uniform.

215 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:38:31am

This etch-a -sketch thing has jumped the shark, check Drudge's front page.
Ok, I'm jealous, i could only draw stairs.

216 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:39:24am

re: #214 Decatur Deb

I think most people did a pretty good job of saying their problem was with the institution, and the hierarchy, and not alleging anything about all Catholics.

I do think that the level of deceit and coverup in the Catholic Church as an institution over the abuse of children has risen to the level of a widespread criminal conspiracy. I didn't five years ago, but I do now.

217 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:40:11am

re: #213 Obdicut

It seems to me that the article is saying there is enough evidence to say that one boy was castrated.

I do think that the fact that secular institutions did this as well was raised pointedly in the thread already, as well.

I don't doubt one, or even 10 boys might have been castrated (though the quoted testimony on how it was done is very weird). Note that the story would require that a former prime minister of the country is implicated. Extraordinary claims/extraordinary proofs.

218 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:42:05am

re: #216 Obdicut

I think most people did a pretty good job of saying their problem was with the institution, and the hierarchy, and not alleging anything about all Catholics.

I do think that the level of deceit and coverup in the Catholic Church as an institution over the abuse of children has risen to the level of a widespread criminal conspiracy. I didn't five years ago, but I do now.

The answer is to find the criminals, prove it, and imprison them. It will probably be found that the bishops danced along the fine edge of a defective set of laws.

219 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:44:12am

re: #214 Decatur Deb

It's the first time I've seen homosexual/castration added to the mix. That set off a lot of broad-brush comments. The actions of the church hierarchy have been self-defeating and indefensible. At the same time I won't let the good people who raised me be smeared with the crap dropped by the relatively few monsters in their uniform.

Yes, that particular part of it upset a lot of people.

And I do think a difference in being expressed between the actions of the hierarchy and the actions of members and specific clergy. That similar actions were taking place in the same time period with secular institutions and authorities is also something to take into account.

220 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:44:47am

re: #211 Decatur Deb

re: #214 Decatur Deb

If I could respect you even more, I would now ;)

I reviewed my comments and I think they were within bounds. I do think the Church as an institution is responsible, but I don't blame every single person even in the hierarchy, much less among the laymen.

221 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:45:20am

re: #218 Decatur Deb

The answer is to find the criminals, prove it, and imprison them. It will probably be found that the bishops danced along the fine edge of a defective set of laws.

I really think we already have substantial proof that many officials in the Catholic Church conspired to suppress the reporting of sexual abuse, conspired to move sexual predators from place to place rather than give them to the authorities or enter them into real treatment, etc.

I do not think that this was because they are evil, evil masterminds who love abusing children, but because they are true believers, and they saw it as a spiritual battle, and this led them to fail in their secular duties.

222 McSpiff  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:46:24am

re: #214 Decatur Deb

It's the first time I've seen homosexual/castration added to the mix. That set off a lot of broad-brush comments. The actions of the church hierarchy have been self-defeating and indefensible. At the same time I won't let the good people who raised me be smeared with the crap dropped by the relatively few monsters in their uniform.

At one point, I would have agreed with you 100%. But its become increasingly clear to me that the best I can say is "Thank God my parish/my school wasn't run by these lunatics." At the very best the Catholic hierarchy was completely unwilling to deal with child predators in any meaningful way. At its worst elements actively aided the abusers. That's not to say that every child in the system was abused (we're clear examples of that) but in those cases where it did occur, I have seen very few examples where anyone in the Church heirachy did what I would consider the right thing or put the child's best interest first for a very long time.

Sure, you can't paint every parish and school with a broad brush, but at the same time "well, not every parish had problems" is damning with faint praise, if you admit it or not.

Edited to clarify

223 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:46:32am

re: #217 Decatur Deb

I don't doubt one, or even 10 boys might have been castrated (though the quoted testimony on how it was done is very weird). Note that the story would require that a former prime minister of the country is implicated. Extraordinary claims/extraordinary proofs.

I just don't find the idea that a homosexual was castrated in the 1950s to be that extraordinary, though. As was pointed out by Gus, this-- and other terrible 'treatments'-- have often been the fate of homosexuals or those suspected of homosexuality.

224 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:50:46am

Perfectly Biblically sound.

Matthew 19:12 "For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.”

225 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:53:09am

re: #221 Obdicut

Oh, and some of them were probably not true believers, but cherished the position and privilege they had and didn't want to see it threatened. That too. And because that Catholic Church's view of child sexuality is way screwed up.

226 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:53:40am

re: #223 Obdicut

I just don't find the idea that a homosexual was castrated in the 1950s to be that extraordinary, though. As was pointed out by Gus, this-- and other terrible 'treatments'-- have often been the fate of homosexuals or those suspected of homosexuality.

I don't doubt that he was castrated, though under unknown rules, motives and circumstances. Ice's story has more detail. That there was conscious use of castration to silence numbers of victims is extraordinary, and on the edge of credibility. I hope to see more skepticism on the site that invented anti-idiotarianism.

227 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:55:32am

re: #226 Decatur Deb

In Charles's post, I don't see the accusation that it was done to silence them. I do think the people who are saying it was done to punish them are wrong, and that if it was done, it was done to 'treat' their 'homosexuality'-- which may simply have been being abused by another man.

228 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:55:50am

re: #226 Decatur Deb

I'm afraid if we were arguing in the "anti-idiotarian" vein now, we would call all priests boy-buggers and call for bombing of Vatican. Cf. The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler.

:P

229 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:55:58am

re: #225 Obdicut

Oh, and some of them were probably not true believers, but cherished the position and privilege they had and didn't want to see it threatened. That too. And because that Catholic Church's view of child sexuality is way screwed up.

I just didn't find it so. It seems to have been about state-of-the-art for 1950s Pittsburgh.

230 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:56:46am

re: #229 Decatur Deb

I just didn't find it so. It seems to have been about state-of-the-art for 1950s Pittsburgh.

Well, I don't know what to tell you, except that I would probably consider the 1950's Pittsburgh view of child sexuality also way screwed up.

231 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:57:33am

re: #228 Liberal Entity

I'm afraid if were were arguing in the "anti-idiotarian" vein now, we would call all priests boy-buggers and call for bombing of Vatican. Cf. The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler.

:P

We've 'matured'.

232 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:58:47am

Considering the background (from the article quote at the FP):

The Deetman committee was set up by the church itself in 2010 after the sexual abuse scandal broke. It reported in December having identified some 800 priests and monks who abused children in their care between 1945 and 1985.

In addition, church officials, bishops and lay people were aware of what was going on but failed to take action to protect children, the report said.

233 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:59:08am

re: #225 Obdicut

Oh, and some of them were probably not true believers, but cherished the position and privilege they had and didn't want to see it threatened. That too. And because that Catholic Church's view of child sexuality is way screwed up.

Not just their view of child sexuality, but sexuality in general. No offense to the Catholics here, but I don't see myself as committing a sin just because my wife and I aren't prepared to pop out a kid every 10 months, but we still want to enjoy the carnal benefits of marriage.

234 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:59:51am

re: #228 Liberal Entity

Just googled that. What a psycho.

235 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:00:54am

re: #230 Obdicut

Well, I don't know what to tell you, except that I would probably consider the 1950's Pittsburgh view of child sexuality also way screwed up.

But then we'd have to know the bedrock truth about sexuality, and I don't think we're there yet. OTOH, it worked for me, though it made for a great deal of delightful sturm und drang in dating.

236 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:01:22am

re: #233 thedopefishlives

There is an enormous, enormous division between the doctrine of the Catholic Church and the actual behavior of lay Catholics. It varies from country to country, of course. But the Catholic Church, the hierarchy, is controlled by a tiny percentage of Catholics. The parishes have zero say in most decision-making of any sort, and certainly no say in any of the decisions outside their parishes. It's important to remember that.

237 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:03:03am

re: #236 Obdicut

There is an enormous, enormous division between the doctrine of the Catholic Church and the actual behavior of lay Catholics. It varies from country to country, of course. But the Catholic Church, the hierarchy, is controlled by a tiny percentage of Catholics. The parishes have zero say in most decision-making of any sort, and certainly no say in any of the decisions outside their parishes. It's important to remember that.

It's not a democracy, but many of us voted with our feet.

238 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:03:11am

re: #235 Decatur Deb

But then we'd have to know the bedrock truth about sexuality, and I don't think we're there yet. OTOH, it worked for me, though it made for a great deal of delightful sturm und drang in dating.

Well, we don't have to know the bedrock truth, no. Like most things, we can get along well with just some good empirical data and studies and the like, and those have shown that attitudes towards sex that mystify it, demonize it, etc. lead to later beginning of sexual activity but more dangerous sexual activity, as well as lasting emotional problems associated with sexuality.

The Catholic Church officially views masturbation as a sin. That is simply a lunatic view of sexuality.

239 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:03:18am

re: #236 Obdicut

There is an enormous, enormous division between the doctrine of the Catholic Church and the actual behavior of lay Catholics. It varies from country to country, of course. But the Catholic Church, the hierarchy, is controlled by a tiny percentage of Catholics. The parishes have zero say in most decision-making of any sort, and certainly no say in any of the decisions outside their parishes. It's important to remember that.

I'll grant you that, and I understand the distinction. I just don't want my words to be misconstrued by any well-meaning Catholic laypeople who reside in Lizardia. I tend to go out of my way not to be a douchebag, unless the target really deserves it.

240 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:03:23am

re: #234 Obdicut

Just googled that. What a psycho.

I may be misremembering, but I think he's an emigre from Netherlands.

241 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:05:58am

re: #238 Obdicut

...snip

The Catholic Church officially views masturbation as a sin. That is simply a lunatic view of sexuality.

That was mainstream religion, and mainstream psychology (sinful transformed to 'unhealthy') not many decades ago.

242 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:07:19am

re: #239 thedopefishlives

In addition, most parish priests and nuns are entirely outside the politics of the church. They don't club together and vote for the bishops, they have very limited ability to resist any doctrinal changes, etc. If they truly believe in their faith, they're not going to leave it even if they feel the hierarchy of it is flawed. So it's really important to lay the blame on those who had-- and have-- the power.

As Decatur Deb said, many Catholics have voted with their feet, many fewer are making donations after seeing their money go to settle lawsuits against pedophile priests, etc. It's a top-down hierarchy, and the blame in it should be apportioned as such.

243 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:09:41am

re: #241 Decatur Deb

That was mainstream religion, and mainstream psychology (sinful transformed to 'unhealthy') not many decades ago.

Sure. I completely accept that-- though I would say that the roots of those beliefs were in religious views promulgated by Christianity, and that as psychology freed itself from mystic roots, it was the reformative tool against those religiously-based beliefs.

I'm not saying the Catholic Church is especially screwed up on sexuality, though I do think there are mainstream religions that have a better history about the psychology of sex. However, being an institution that is not very evidence-based when it comes to human behavior, they're not reforming their beliefs at all, and a lot of the mainstream attitudes towards sex were the result of centuries of dominance of intellectual thought by the Catholic (and then Protestant) churches.

244 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:09:48am

re: #242 Obdicut

I saw firsthand evidence of the migration the one and only time I have ever attended a Catholic service. My wife was named godmother to her brother's firstborn daughter, and we were asked to attend her christening, which we of course obliged. The priest there made mention of the number of Catholic diocese which had been implemented in the post-WWII days here in the Twin Cities, many of which were being closed down and merged together due to a lack of income/attendance to warrant maintaining them.

245 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:11:30am

re: #241 Decatur Deb

That was mainstream religion, and mainstream psychology (sinful transformed to 'unhealthy') not many decades ago.

Heinrich: But if we examine this issue in depth, then personally I'm not to blame. I was taught like that.

Lancelot: Everybody has been taught. But why did you have to be the first pupil, bastard?

- Evgeny Shvarts, "Dragon".

246 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:13:07am

re: #245 Liberal Entity

Looks like a really interesting play.

247 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:16:23am

re: #246 Obdicut

Looks like a really interesting play.

There's a terrific (for me) movie based on this play, but I don't see any subititled version anywhere.

248 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:17:46am

re: #243 Obdicut

I'm not saying the Catholic Church is especially screwed up on sexuality

-- compared to most other religions, that is. Compared to modern-day understanding of human sexuality, it definitely is.

249 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:18:07am

Where am I?

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250 iossarian  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:18:27am

re: #241 Decatur Deb

That was mainstream religion, and mainstream psychology (sinful transformed to 'unhealthy') not many decades ago.

Funny how some things change (attitudes towards sex, artistic fashions, technology) while other things remain the same (the rich and powerful oppress the poor and weak).

I think that savvy prophets who want to be remembered for accurate predictions would do well to focus on the latter and not the former. Something which Jeshua of Nazareth seems to have figured out early in his career.

251 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:19:51am

re: #250 iossarian

Heh. Some argue that when Jesus reportedly said that anyone looking at a woman with lust in his heart has committed adultery, he was really saying "Come on, guys, everyone does it, it's not that big a deal."

But not many.

252 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:19:53am

re: #243 Obdicut

Sure. I completely accept that-- though I would say that the roots of those beliefs were in religious views promulgated by Christianity, and that as psychology freed itself from mystic roots, it was the reformative tool against those religiously-based beliefs.

I'm not saying the Catholic Church is especially screwed up on sexuality, though I do think there are mainstream religions that have a better history about the psychology of sex. However, being an institution that is not very evidence-based when it comes to human behavior, they're not reforming their beliefs at all, and a lot of the mainstream attitudes towards sex were the result of centuries of dominance of intellectual thought by the Catholic (and then Protestant) churches.

I do think they are fairly screwed up, with their emphasis on celibacy in the hierarchy. At the least that exposes them to infiltration by personalities on the fringe. It also ties to their un-useful dualistic picture of human nature. Fortunately, as much as the churches try to make us all-angel, the ape usually gets a vote.

253 Aye Pod  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:28:45am

re: #234 Obdicut

Just googled that. What a psycho.

Yep. A sample of the current front page:

Enough. Just. Fucking ENOUGH With Those Blue-Shirted Swine Already!!!
Posted by Emperor Misha I on March 21, 2012

Shoot the whole sorry lot of them after a perfunctory trial, preferably one involving sticking fingers up their privates and molesting them. For weeks.

...

Yes, you read that right. The pedophile child molesting swine who would be otherwise spending his entire life being rejected for the position of assistant fry cook at the local McDonald’s was actually swabbing down a three-year-old with a broken leg for “explosive residue.” The only explanation we can think of is that the worthless TSA soon-to-be-hopefully-dangling-from-the-nearest-utility-pole son of a syphilitic whore had found out that his favorite Russian pedophile website was down for maintenance last night.

254 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:30:22am

I've paid another installment on my debt to Sister Mary Claver. Now I must satisfy the dog. BBL.

255 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:30:37am

re: #253 Captain Senseless

That's every day for how many years? Goes back at the very least to 2004.

256 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:41:29am

Someone should ask Santorum to comment. It's his Church, right?

257 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:42:53am

re: #256 ReamWorks

Someone should ask Santorum to comment. It's his Church, right?

If Romney can be somehow held responsible for his Church's practices, why not.

258 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:57:01am

Man. Can you believe that? Geraldo is being an idiot again. Who would have thought.

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259 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:59:00am

re: #258 Gus

Quick, name a modern-day man with a mustache (without beard) who isn't an actor that you respect.

I can think of one, and his is a modest, dapper little deal.

260 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:00:40am

re: #259 Obdicut

Quick, name a modern-day man with a mustache (without beard) who isn't an actor that you respect.

I can think of one, and his is a modest, dapper little deal.

Neil Degrasse Tyson?

261 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:01:39am

re: #260 Gus

Neil Degrasse Tyson?

Ah, good point! No, I was thinking of Captain Sully.

De Grasse often has a little soul patch as well, but he's a good call.

262 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:02:23am

re: #261 Obdicut

Ah, good point! No, I was thinking of Captain Sully.

De Grasse often has a little soul patch as well, but he's a good call.

Ah yes. Sully. I always worry about guys like him going wingnut.

263 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:03:16am

Happy Ivan Ivanovich day!

264 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:04:27am

re: #262 Gus

Ah yes. Sully. I always worry about guys like him going wingnut.

He talked about the importance of unions. I think he's a calm man.

265 Interesting Times  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:04:38am

re: #262 Gus

Ah yes. Sully. I always worry about guys like him going wingnut.

Nope. People who say good things about unions need not apply:

Sully Sullenberger: Union Man

Seems these guys and their fellow pilots and crew members think the attacks on labor by management the last few years are going to make your chance of surviving a crash like the Hudson River Miracle a lot less likely.

266 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:04:45am

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]
Yes he said this. It's a fucking hoodie. If you associate wearing a hoodie with gang membership and violence then you just may be a dumb ass.

267 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:06:10am

re: #266 HappyWarrior

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]
Yes he said this. It's a fucking hoodie. If you associate wearing a hoodie with gang membership and violence then you just may be a dumb ass.

In Florida maybe they associate hoodies with the New England Patriots. You know, Bellichek and his bunch of cheating thugs. ;)

268 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:06:16am

re: #266 HappyWarrior

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]
Yes he said this. It's a fucking hoodie. If you associate wearing a hoodie with gang membership and violence then you just may be a dumb ass.

Why not go for skin color too then, if we blame the victim anyway?

269 RadicalModerate  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:06:16am

re: #260 Gus

Neil Degrasse Tyson?

One from politics:
John "Nuke Iran" Bolton

Wait. I'm supposed to respect him?
Never mind.

270 Interesting Times  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:06:19am

re: #266 HappyWarrior

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]
Yes he said this. It's a fucking hoodie. If you associate wearing a hoodie with gang membership and violence then you just may be a dumb ass.

I would like to see a huge group of protestors make Fox News heads asplode by gathering outside their studios wearing hoodies and hijabs.

271 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:06:57am

re: #269 RadicalModerate

One from politics:
John "Nuke Iran" Bolton

Oh. I thought he wanted one I respected. ;)

272 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:07:00am

re: #269 RadicalModerate

One from politics:
John "Nuke Iran" Bolton

You respect that $#%#$?

273 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:07:31am

re: #263 Gus

a?

274 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:07:43am

re: #270 Interesting Times

I would like to see a huge group of protestors make Fox News heads asplode by gathering outside their studios wearing hoodies and hijabs.

Well remember they thought a fistbump that the Obamas did was "terrorist." Yeah because Osama and Al Queda were fistbumping all the time. Hacks the whole lot of them working at Fox.

275 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:08:05am

re: #273 Liberal Entity

a?

276 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:08:33am

re: #273 Liberal Entity

a?

First mannequin in space! Russian mannequin. ;)

277 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:08:35am

re: #275 Gus

hmm

278 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:10:35am

re: #265 Interesting Times

Nope. People who say good things about unions need not apply:

Sully Sullenberger: Union Man

I think he mentioned once in an interview that he's a registered R and he was approached to run for Congress but he had no desire to. But that story there is a good reminder to those who bust on unions. Unions aren't perfect but they have an important role in any free economy. People who blame unions for everything are the same people who are willing to excuse any corporate excess.

279 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:19:17am

Joint Fundraising Contributions

These are contributions to committees who are raising funds to be distributed to other committees. The breakdown of these contributions to their final recipients may appear below

SULLENBERGER, CHESLEY
DANVILLE, CA 94506
RETIRED/RETIRED

OBAMA VICTORY FUND 2012
06/10/2011 5000.00 11931866654

Total Joint Fundraising: 5000.00

Recipient of Joint Fundraiser Contributions

These are the Final Recipients of Joint Fundraising Contributions

SULLENBERGER, CHESLEY
DANVILLE, CA 94506
RETIRED

OBAMA, BARACK
VIA OBAMA FOR AMERICA
06/10/2011 2500.00 11931887686
06/10/2011 2500.00 11931887171

Recipient Total: 5000.00

280 erik_t  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:19:21am

re: #266 HappyWarrior

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]
Yes he said this. It's a fucking hoodie. If you associate wearing a hoodie with gang membership and violence then you just may be a dumb ass.

It's actually frowned upon in broad and (to my way of thinking) very bizarre ways in most of the rest of the English-speaking world. I somewhat suspect the prevalence of collegiate sweatshirts is responsible for the same not happening here.

Also, Geraldo is a fucking moron. Put your hand down, Geraldo. You do not have the answer to my question.

281 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:27:37am

"If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon." -- President Obama

282 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:28:16am

#WAR #TCOT

Eleventy!

Derp.

283 iossarian  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:28:40am

re: #259 Obdicut

Quick, name a modern-day man with a mustache (without beard) who isn't an actor that you respect.

I can think of one, and his is a modest, dapper little deal.

By modern-day, did you mean contemporary?

There's a bundle of 70s sports stars that would fit the bill.

284 BongCrodny  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:33:36am

re: #139 Beware the Green Dragon!

German is so cool. The language of art and culture!

Leonard Nimoy will always be awesome to me not just for Star Trek but for doing the voice acting in a Dreamcast game where you're supposed to talk to a manipulative man faced fish who... oh forget it.

Plus he has a totally berserk photography website.

The Bruno Mars video ain't too shabby, either. :-)

285 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:33:45am

re: #260 Gus

Neil Degrasse Tyson?

Speaking of NDT and actors, not too long ago he did a highly entertaining episode of StarTalk Radio with Morgan Freeman.

286 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:35:00am

re: #285 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

Speaking of NDT and actors, not too long ago he did a highly entertaining episode of StarTalk Radio with Morgan Freeman.

Not related. Well, it's Morgan Freeman...

Youtube Video
287 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:35:14am

re: #266 HappyWarrior

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]
Yes he said this. It's a fucking hoodie. If you associate wearing a hoodie with gang membership and violence then you just may be a dumb ass.

My 10 year old loves his hoodies and damn sure isn't a gangbanger. But then that loser has been desperate for attention ever since I can remember.

288 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:39:10am

re: #283 iossarian

By modern-day, did you mean contemporary?

There's a bundle of 70s sports stars that would fit the bill.

Yeah, contemporary. Big, bushy mustaches are usually the sign of a lamebrain these days. Probably academics excepted.

289 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:40:20am

Image: 682991.jpg

290 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:40:45am

re: #287 William Barnett-Lewis

My 10 year old loves his hoodies and damn sure isn't a gangbanger. But then that loser has been desperate for attention ever since I can remember.

Al Capone's vault! But yeah I have quite a few of them. Real comfortable especially for this time of year when it's not too hot or cold.

291 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:40:58am
292 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:41:51am

Man I respect with a mustache? Well you all don't know him but my Russian history professor this past fall has one and I respect him a great deal to the point where I plan to use him as a reference.

293 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:42:46am

re: #291 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

Gordie looks menacing :).

294 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:44:14am

re: #292 HappyWarrior

Man I respect with a mustache? Well you all don't know him but my Russian history professor this past fall has one and I respect him a great deal to the point where I plan to use him as a reference.

Yeah, I think I have to exclude academics. Come to think of it, my father-in-law has one, and he's a six foot six ironworker, so I should probably shut my mouth.

295 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:45:57am

re: #294 Obdicut

Yeah, I think I have to exclude academics. Come to think of it, my father-in-law has one, and he's a six foot six ironworker, so I should probably shut my mouth.

Heh it's all good. I can't imagine myself with a mustache only. I've been sporting a beard the past couple months though.

296 BongCrodny  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:48:26am

re: #238 Obdicut

The Catholic Church officially views masturbation as a sin. That is simply a lunatic view of sexuality.

Not only a sin, but a mortal sin -- among the worst of the bunch, right up there with murder, rape and terrorism.

297 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:51:18am

Image: 2682409569_48e69387bf_b.jpg

Another of Morgan's ride.

298 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:52:30am

Kind of has an F-18 landing gear thing going.

Image: 4073397523_3e22bede26.jpg

299 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:52:43am

re: #297 Gus

Image: 2682409569_48e69387bf_b.jpg

Another of Morgan's ride.


My ride.

300 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:52:53am

re: #298 Gus

Kind of has an F-18 landing gear thing going.

Image: 4073397523_3e22bede26.jpg

This is a different registry.

301 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:53:20am

re: #298 Gus

Kind of has an F-18 landing gear thing going.

Image: 4073397523_3e22bede26.jpg

That looks...Odd.

302 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:53:40am

re: #301 Varek Raith

That looks...Odd.

I like it.

303 Interesting Times  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:54:20am
304 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:55:03am

re: #302 Gus

I like it.

All it needs is arresting gear.
Executive CVN.

305 Interesting Times  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:55:57am

re: #281 Gus

"If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon." -- President Obama

306 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:56:20am
Rosie Gray ‏ @RosiePGray

The Santorum campaign is holding a rally at a shooting range in west monroe, Louisiana today [Link: pic.twitter.com...]
Retweeted by Ben Smith

307 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:57:03am

re: #305 Interesting Times

...

Barrack HUSSEIN Obama implies that black sons are better than white sons! He's the real racist here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

308 erik_t  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:57:40am

re: #298 Gus

Kind of has an F-18 landing gear thing going.

Image: 4073397523_3e22bede26.jpg

Attractive, but you have a big wide beefy structural member right there! Use it!

Fuselage gear on a low-wing is almost universally wrong-seeming.

309 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:57:52am

*Note to self, do not were hoodies around Geraldo*

310 dragonfire1981  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:57:59am

re: #306 Kronocide

I wonder if someone will be bold/stupid enough to take pot shots at a picture of Obama or the Obama campaign logo.

311 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:58:46am

re: #310 dragonfire1981

I wonder if someone will be bold/stupid enough to take pot shots at a picture of Obama or the Obama campaign logo.

Wouldn't shock me.

312 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:59:29am

re: #309 Varek Raith

*Note to self, do not were hoodies around Geraldo*

Screw that.
I got a nice Addidas hoodie.
Jerks.

313 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:00:09am

re: #310 dragonfire1981

I wonder if someone will be bold/stupid enough to take pot shots at a picture of Obama or the Obama campaign logo.

Potential for that, but I'm wondering if Santorum will comment on Trayvon's shooting by making it a gun rights issue.

314 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:00:48am

re: #313 Kronocide

Potential for that, but I'm wondering if Santorum will comment on Trayvon's shooting by making it a gun rights issue.

Knowing that scumbag, he'd probably blame it on Obama.

315 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:01:01am
Youtube Video
316 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:01:31am

re: #311 HappyWarrior

Obama wants a black son, clearly he's racist.

Wouldn't shock me.

...

Barrack HUSSEIN Obama is half white. How come he never speaks out about wanting a white son since he's HALF WHITE after a young white man is killed and a victim of a HATE CRIME that the LAMESTREAM media always ignores? Who's the real racist here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

317 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:02:42am

re: #316 Gus

...

STOP STEALING THEIR HEADLINES!!!

318 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:02:51am

re: #316 Gus

...

I can totally see that as a comment on FoxNation unfortunately or even made by an Alex Jones type.

319 iossarian  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:03:11am

Republicans: don't give a fuck if you think they're insensitive.

320 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:04:16am

re: #313 Kronocide

It's really odd to me that so many gun rights advocates are getting involved in the Trayvon thingy and citing the 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment says nothing about the right to actually use guns. The case law of self-defense (rightly) doesn't treat the use of guns differently than any other equally-lethal defense.

321 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:04:21am

re: #318 HappyWarrior

I can totally see that as a comment on FoxNation unfortunately or even made by an Alex Jones type.

I'm just one head injury away from being a full-metal wingnut!

//

322 iossarian  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:04:55am

re: #320 Obdicut

It's really odd to me that so many gun rights advocates are getting involved in the Trayvon thingy and citing the 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment says nothing about the right to actually use guns. The case law of self-defense (rightly) doesn't treat the use of guns differently than any other equally-lethal defense.

You hate America. Why?

323 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:05:47am

re: #320 Obdicut

It's really odd to me that so many gun rights advocates are getting involved in the Trayvon thingy and citing the 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment says nothing about the right to actually use guns. The case law of self-defense (rightly) doesn't treat the use of guns differently than any other equally-lethal defense.

Heck. With some gun folks it's almost like they can have a show called "Cooking with Guns."

//

324 iossarian  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:06:08am

re: #323 Gus

Heck. With some gun folks it's almost like they can have a show called "Cooking with Guns."

//

Dancing with the Guns.

325 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:06:20am

Real men use swords.

326 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:06:24am

Why I sleep and shower wearing my Glock. You never know when a home invasion can occur.

//

327 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:07:01am

re: #324 iossarian

Dancing with the Guns.

Gun Idol.

328 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:07:26am

re: #327 HappyWarrior

Gun Idol.

Real Guns of New Jersey

329 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:08:02am

OK, time to leave for the movies!

Wait! I gotta bring my gun.

//

330 iossarian  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:08:04am

Gun Night with Uzi McRifle.

331 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:08:34am

I go duck hunting with my 88mm flak gun.

332 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:09:20am

It's a Ted Nugent world.

//

333 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:10:22am

re: #320 Obdicut

It's really odd to me that so many gun rights advocates are getting involved in the Trayvon thingy and citing the 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment says nothing about the right to actually use guns. The case law of self-defense (rightly) doesn't treat the use of guns differently than any other equally-lethal defense.

I think it's gun rights paranoia. Anything involving the use of a firearm is an opportunity for gun rights to erode, therefore, an opportunity to protect gun rights.

334 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:12:07am

Fishing with Depth Charges

335 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:13:03am

re: #334 Varek Raith

Fishing with Depth Charges

Bear huntin' with 16" shells.

336 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:13:08am

Gingrich Suggests Media Cover-up of 'Obama's Muslim Friends'

Rios: Do you think there is any way in this world that the press is not going to be all over the details of Mormonism, do you think they are going to hold their powder on Mitt Romney in terms of his Mormonism and some of the passages in the Book of Mormon?

Gingrich: Of course, look you have to understand that the elite media is in the tank for Obama. They are going to do anything that helps re-elect Obama. They are totally committed to Obama. It is just astonishing to me how pro-Obama they are. Do you think you are going to see two pages on Obama’s Muslim friends? Or two pages on the degree to which Obama is consistently apologizing to Islam while attacking the Catholic Church? Do you see anybody in the elite media prepared to say, gee, isn’t this kind of odd, that we really worry a lot about the Qur'an and nothing about the Bible?

Gingrich Going Geller.

337 Interesting Times  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:13:16am

re: #306 Kronocide

338 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:13:35am

re: #335 Gus

Bear huntin' with 16" shells.

TAKE THAT POLAR BEAR!
Image: Uss_iowa_bb-61_pr.jpg

339 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:14:36am

re: #337 Interesting Times

"Patriots"

340 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:14:53am

re: #336 Kronocide

Gingrich Suggests Media Cover-up of 'Obama's Muslim Friends'

Gingrich Going Geller.

Desperate candidate is desperate. And more lies too. Typical coming from that slimeball.

341 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:15:41am

Let's go for a bike ride!

Wait! I gotta bring my gun.

342 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:17:14am

Gun-wielding man confronts reporter

Morning Express|Added on March 23, 2012An Arkansas man pulls a gun on a local reporter and photographer covering an elder abuse story.

343 jamesfirecat  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:17:33am

Good news, everyone, I just figured out what the Catholic Church could do to win back my faith in them, castrate every priest who is found guilty of child abuse!

344 iossarian  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:17:38am

re: #341 Gus

Let's go for a bike ride!

Wait! I gotta bring my gun.

Honey, let's go to bed.

Wait, do you have protection?

*pats holster, smiles smugly*

345 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:18:34am

Father shoots daughter's laptop. Becomes Youtube sensation.

346 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:19:19am

Student murders 32 at Virginia Tech.

347 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:20:38am

re: #342 Gus

Gun-wielding man confronts reporter

Morning Express|Added on March 23, 2012An Arkansas man pulls a gun on a local reporter and photographer covering an elder abuse story.

A friend of mine used to be a TV reporter in a small town a while back. She had guns pulled on her and all kinds of crazy shit happen. It still blows my mind when she goes into some of her stories.

348 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:20:46am

And on and on and on. But OMG! There's no gun problem in the USA! Don't even talk about it. Shhhhhhhh! We don't have a problem in this culture. It's just "those Muslims in the Middle East." Pathetic.

349 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:20:46am

re: #342 Gus

Gun-wielding man confronts reporter

Morning Express|Added on March 23, 2012An Arkansas man pulls a gun on a local reporter and photographer covering an elder abuse story.

Good thing that the reporter didn't 'lunge' towards him, or he could have shot him and claimed self-defense.

350 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:21:04am
Youtube Video
351 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:21:46am

We don't have a gun problem. We have a hoodie problem.

352 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:21:51am

re: #349 Obdicut

Good thing that the reporter didn't 'lunge' towards him, or he could have shot him and claimed self-defense.

Apparently that's the new defense for cowards. Shooting unarmed people is the new pink for the wingnuts. Forget fist fights even. Some alpha males they are. Cowards.

353 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:22:21am

re: #351 Kronocide

We don't have a gun problem. We have a hoodie problem.

Exactly. Good one. I might steal that.

354 Interesting Times  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:23:23am

re: #351 Kronocide

We don't have a gun problem. We have a hoodie problem.

355 iossarian  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:23:36am

re: #351 Kronocide

We don't have a gun problem. We have a hoodie problem.

Everything will be fine as long as everyone gets high-and-tights and wears button-down shirts every day.

It will also help if everyone is white.

356 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:24:02am

Like when that nut shot up the people at his wife's hair salon. 8 dead. We (as in American society) barely talked about it. America blew it off. Now, the trend is even to blow everything off as PTSD. Everything is PTSD. Sgt. Bales had PTSD.

357 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:25:10am

PTSD: the latest rage in Western white man's defense.

358 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:25:22am
Gen JC Christian ‏ @JC_Christian
Is it self defense if you shoot NRA lobbyists b/c you feel they pose a threat to you?
359 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:26:50am

The gun fetishization is pretty fucked up if you ask me.

360 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:27:38am

re: #356 Gus

PTSD is very real, but it doesn't excuse shit. I have PTSD for having been abused as a kid. It's not going to make me haul off and kill anyone.

The Afghanistan murderer also used to rip off old people. I don't think he's ever been all that right.

361 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:27:55am

Crazed US soldier murders 17 in cold blood. PTSD done it. Nameless crazed Al Qaeda murders 17 in cold blood. Terrorism.

Film at 11.

*Note this isn't a be all and end all statement. Neither is it an implication of any of our troops in general. Just something to think about.

362 iossarian  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:29:35am

re: #360 Obdicut

PTSD is very real, but it doesn't excuse shit. I have PTSD for having been abused as a kid. It's not going to make me haul off and kill anyone.

The Afghanistan murderer also used to rip off old people. I don't think he's ever been all that right.

Agree with this, with the addition that understanding PTSD is important if we're actually interested in preventing future occurrences of such tragedies.

What is it with the right wing and their opposition to preventative measures?

363 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:31:11am

re: #362 iossarian

Agree with this, with the addition that understanding PTSD is important if we're actually interested in preventing future occurrences of such tragedies.

What is it with the right wing and their opposition to preventative measures?

If we're going to apply PTSD to ourselves then we need to apply PTSD to enemy combatants as well. Given that it is a legitimate medical diagnosis. One could ask how many of the prisoners at GITMO have untreated PTSD?

364 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:33:08am

re: #363 Gus

Shit, I'd bet the average guy in Afghanistan has PTSD, what with roving warlords fighting each other all the time, opium fields guarded by guys with AK47s, suicide bombings, regular ol' strategic bombing, etc.

But is he actually claiming PTSD as defense yet, or is it just wingnuts? I know he's claiming 'amnesia', of which true cases are pretty damn rare.

365 iossarian  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:34:09am

re: #363 Gus

If we're going to apply PTSD to ourselves then we need to apply PTSD to enemy combatants as well. Given that it is a legitimate medical diagnosis. One could ask how many of the prisoners at GITMO have untreated PTSD?

Completely agree.

366 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:34:19am

re: #364 Obdicut

Shit, I'd bet the average guy in Afghanistan has PTSD, what with roving warlords fighting each other all the time, opium fields guarded by guys with AK47s, suicide bombings, regular ol' strategic bombing, etc.

But is he actually claiming PTSD as defense yet, or is it just wingnuts? I know he's claiming 'amnesia', of which true cases are pretty damn rare.

Just heard mention of PTSD repeatedly from news reports. Last I heard was the amnesia "defense" from his attorney. Yesterday he was formally charged with 17 counts of murder.

367 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:38:13am

re: #288 Obdicut

Yeah, contemporary. Big, bushy mustaches are usually the sign of a lamebrain these days. Probably academics excepted.

Lanny McDonald! Respect the 'stache!
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

368 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:39:36am

re: #331 Varek Raith

I go duck hunting with my 88mm flak gun.

Hmm, and they just settled for 40mm AA in _The Magic Christian_ to get pheasant.

369 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:42:21am

Carl(a) Carl(a) Carl(a).

Rating: 23
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Plus: 24
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Minus: 1
carlaschluge

370 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:43:54am

[Link: livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
You guys asked and sure enough some idiot didn't shock us. To be fair it seems it's very unlikely Santorum heard but this says a lot about the environment he's campaigning in.

371 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:43:58am

re: #369 wrenchwench

Carl(a) Carl(a) Carl(a).

Carl(a) wants to know, "what's wrong with castrating abused children for homosexual behavior?"

372 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:45:13am

re: #371 Gus

Carl(a) wants to know, "what's wrong with castrating abused children for homosexual behavior?"

Should we request he/she/it to try it out first and then get back to us?

373 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:45:22am

re: #371 Gus

Carl(a) wants to know, "what's wrong with castrating abused children for homosexual behavior?"

Here, let me guess:

It was 60 years ago!!1

374 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:48:07am

re: #371 Gus

Well, Decatur Deb did bring up perfectly fair points-- I think that there's strong evidence, but it's sources in the Netherlands, so none of us are reading it in the original. And the mistreatment of homosexuals in terrible fucking ways wasn't exclusive in any way to the Catholic Church.

But the Catholic church does have a pattern of neglecting or further victimizing the suffers of abuse.

376 carlaschluge  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:54:34am

re: #372 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste


This is yet another instance of LGF jumping on the bandwagon of shoddy, sloppy, agenda-driven news, which really is not news. At least 400 were castrated as part of Netherlands eugenics program.

An article entitled “Eugenic and sexual folklores and the castration of sex offenders in the Netherlands (1938–1968)” published in the journal Studies in History and Philosophy of Biological and Biomedical Sciences, Vol. 39, No. 2, June 2008 by Theo van der Meer states that castration of sexual offenders was part of the Dutch state’s eugenics program. Pedophiles were castrated to prevent them from re-offending as were those adjudged to be mentally deficient.

From 1938 to 1968 in the Netherlands, after a decade of debates, 400 sex offenders who had been committed to asylums for the criminally insane were ‘voluntarily’ and ‘therapeutically’ castrated. For political reasons debates on castration, meant to create consensus, eliminated any reference to or connotation with eugenics, yet these policies were unthinkable without them.

[Link: www.getreligion.org...]

377 dragonfire1981  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:54:51am

re: #323 Gus

Heck. With some gun folks it's almost like they can have a show called "Cooking with Guns."

//

Ameri-Gun Idol.

378 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:56:24am

re: #376 carlaschluge

That site is biased as hell.

379 dragonfire1981  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:58:05am

re: #378 Varek Raith

That site is biased as hell.

It's called "Get religion", what did you expect?

380 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:58:08am

re: #378 Varek Raith

That site is biased as hell.

Which is ironic, because LGF is jumping on the bandwagon of shoddy, sloppy, agenda-driven news.

381 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:58:28am

re: #379 dragonfire1981

It's called "Get religion", what did you expect?

Nothing.
;)

382 carlaschluge  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:58:33am

re: #378 Varek Raith

Right, and NYT is not biased at all. And this site is not biased at all. Give me a break.

383 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:59:00am

re: #382 carlaschluge

Right, and NYT is not biased at all. And this site is not biased at all. Give me a break.

Sorry, no break.

384 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:59:11am

re: #266 HappyWarrior

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]
Yes he said this. It's a fucking hoodie. If you associate wearing a hoodie with gang membership and violence then you just may be a dumb ass.

If a hoodie is responsible for an unarmed kid getting shot and killed, does that mean that dresses and skirts are to blame for women getting raped?

Geraldo's a fucking moron. He should STFU and go look for Al Capone's vault again.

385 erik_t  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:59:53am

Don't feed the troll.

386 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:00:06am

re: #382 carlaschluge

Right, and NYT is not biased at all. And this site is not biased at all. Give me a break.

Their contraception article on their frontpage is full of lies.
Proven lies.
Not that you care.

387 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:00:56am

re: #382 carlaschluge

Right, and NYT is not biased at all. And this site is not biased at all. Give me a break.

And you're not biased at all. So we're all not biased. Or biased.

So STFU and STFD. There's nothing to discuss.

Maybe we should discuss Catholic Church victimhood and their defenders at all costs.

388 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:01:58am

re: #385 erik_t

Don't feed the troll.

Unfortunately, Faux News pays Geraldo a lot of money.

Oh, wait. Were you referring to a different troll? ;)

389 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:02:09am

Oh wow, Pencil Saved My Ass Again. That was stupid.

390 iossarian  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:02:59am

re: #386 Varek Raith

Their contraception article on their frontpage is full of lies.
Proven lies.
Not that you care.

He said, she said.

The last refuge of the terminally stupid.

391 carlaschluge  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:03:17am

re: #387 Kronocide

I suppose this study is biased, as well.

[Link: socialhistory.org...]

From that time on until 1968, some 400 such male offenders
and at least one female convict—‘psychopaths’—who were committed
by courts, would ‘voluntarily’ submit themselves to ‘therapeutic’
castration, after having obtained permission from the
Department of Justice.

392 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:05:24am

re: #391 carlaschluge

I suppose this study is biased, as well.

[Link: socialhistory.org...]

Are you making the point that since the Dutch Gov performed castrations for whatever reason the Catholic Church doing the same is no big deal?

393 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:06:04am

re: #391 carlaschluge

But we've already discussed this, in the thread. Gus brought it up in 47, Decatur Deb and I already had a discussion about it.

The reports on this may or may not be 'shoddy'. You're affirming they are, and using a site that is obviously lying about a lot of things to prove that. You don't see the problem there?

394 erik_t  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:06:38am

re: #392 Kronocide

Are you making the point that since the Dutch Gov performed castrations for whatever reason the Catholic Church doing the same is no big deal?

HEY, LOOK, OVER THERE! SHINY THINGS!

395 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:06:57am

Good morning lizards!

396 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:07:08am

re: #393 Obdicut

But we've already discussed this, in the thread. Gus brought it up in 47, Decatur Deb and I already had a discussion about it.

The reports on this may or may not be 'shoddy'. You're affirming they are, and using a site that is obviously lying about a lot of things to prove that. You don't see the problem there?

Yep. Fail Carl(a) once again. Misrepresenting this place like your average wingnut.

397 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:10:02am
398 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:10:54am

re: #384 Lidane

Geraldo's a fucking moron. He should STFU and go look for Al Capone's vault again.

LOL!

399 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:10:57am

I often talk about how fucking terrible it was of the British government post-WWII to chemically castrate one of their greatest heroes, Alan Turing.

The modern UK government has apologized for this, and the head of the conservative UK government, David Cameron, has endorsed gay marriage. They've improved.

The Catholic Church still views homosexual behavior as a sin, and the Catholic Church is still not doing everything they could to get to the bottom of the conspiracies to protect pedophile priests in their ranks. They often are settling with victims with gag orders, which I find morally reprehensible.

So there's some differences there.

400 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:13:01am

Church fears 'ethnic cleansing' of Christians in Homs, Syria

REPORTING FROM BEIRUT -- The Syrian Orthodox Church is worried about “an ongoing ethnic cleansing of Christians” in the embattled city of Homs, reports Agenzia Fides, the official Vatican news agency.

Anti-government militants have expelled 90% of Christians in Homs and confiscated their residences by force, said Fides, citing a note sent to the agency by the Syrian Orthodox Church.

The Vatican agency cited sources saying militants went door to door in the Homs neighborhoods of Hamidiya and Bustan al-Diwan, “forcing Christians to flee, without giving them the chance to take their belongings.”

Estimates vary, but Syria’s Christians, with ancient roots, are generally said to represent as much as 10% of the nation’s 23 million people.

401 erik_t  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:13:12am

Romneybot was against authenticity before he was for it.

402 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:13:48am

re: #401 erik_t

Romneybot was against authenticity before he was for it.

I like grits.

403 RadicalModerate  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:15:48am

re: #337 Interesting Times

[Embedded content]

I used to live in that area, so I don't doubt one bit the veracity of Cherkis' tweet. Food for thought: David Duke won, by a significant majority in that part of Louisiana in his bid for Governor a few years back. The only reason he didn't win was because of the block of voters in Baton Rouge and New Orleans offsetting the northern half of the state. Guess which part of Louisiana the Republican candidates are concentrating on, and which part is being generally ignored?

404 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:16:07am

re: #401 erik_t

[Embedded content]Romneybot was against authenticity before he was for it.

Wouldn't he have to speak in gibberish if he really wanted to pretend he was from Louisiana? Just joking, no hard feelings Louisiana but Mitt's a trip.

405 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:17:39am
406 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:17:44am

re: #402 Varek Raith

I like grits.

The Romneybot 6000 has mastered the Etch-A-Sketch. It is now working on an understanding of digital watches.

407 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:17:50am

re: #401 erik_t

Romneybot was against authenticity before he was for it.

Someone needs to shake the Etch-a-Sketch again.

408 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:19:40am

re: #384 Lidane

If a hoodie is responsible for an unarmed kid getting shot and killed, does that mean that dresses and skirts are to blame for women getting raped?

Geraldo's a fucking moron. He should STFU and go look for Al Capone's vault again.

That's pretty much what a friend of mine said too. It's all very stupid. And besides what moron thinks of a hoodie as threatening? I see people of all ages, genders, and races wearing them. It's more comfortable to me than a regular sweater would be or forbid a Santorum style sweater vest.

409 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:19:46am
During his press conference, Santorum also criticized reporters for "buying into the Romney spin machine" because of the press's focus on his comment that Obama was no better than Romney.

"You guys should do some actual reporting instead of just reporting whatever Governor Romney feeds you," he said. "Do your job."

410 allegro  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:19:59am

re: #404 HappyWarrior

Wouldn't he have to speak in gibberish if he really wanted to pretend he was from Louisiana? Just joking, no hard feelings Louisiana but Mitt's a trip.

The Cajun dialect is the most charming of all dialects in the US, IMO. I'd MUCH rather listen to a Cajun than a New Yawker in that sense.

411 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:20:20am

Rasmussen: Obama 51% - Romney 42% in VA

412 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:20:24am

re: #407 Lidane

Someone needs to shake the Etch-a-Sketch again.

Did the boss' laptop lock up again?
;)

413 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:21:27am

re: #407 Lidane

Someone needs to shake the Etch-a-Sketch again.

Image: Mitt-Romney-Brain-X-Ray.jpg

414 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:21:33am

re: #412 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Did the boss' laptop lock up again?
;)

Romneybot apparently answered an e-mail from a Nigerian prince. We need to reboot him before it's too late!

415 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:21:49am

The EU is hitting Assad where it might hurt, in his wallet...

EU imposes sanctions on Assad's wife, relatives

BRUSSELS (AP) - EU foreign ministers imposed sanctions Friday on Asma Assad, the stylish, British-born wife of the Syrian president, banning her from traveling to European Union countries and freezing any assets she may have there.

The foreign ministers also imposed the same sanctions on President Bashar Assad's mother, sister and sister-in-law, and eight government ministers, in a continuing attempt to stop the bloody crackdown on opposition in the country.

In addition, the assets of two Syrian companies have been frozen, an EU official said. Bashar Assad himself has been the subject of EU sanctions since May.

Also Friday, the United Nations' top human rights body sharply condemned the crackdown and the U.N. announced that the joint U.N.-Arab League envoy, Kofi Annan, would travel to Russia and China for more talks aimed at resolving the crisis peacefully.

The U.N. estimates that more than 8,000 people have been killed since an uprising began in Syria a year ago.

The EU has imposed 12 previous rounds of sanctions against the Syrian regime, yet the crackdown has only intensified.

416 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:22:42am

re: #414 Lidane

Romneybot apparently answered an e-mail from a Nigerian prince. We need to reboot him before it's too late!

Won't the Secret Service object if you try to grab Romney, hold him upside-down, and shake him?

417 carlaschluge  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:24:42am

re: #410 allegro

If you want to hear gibberish, watch President Obama with his questionable lip-reading.

Youtube Video
418 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:25:41am

Breaking: Beiber shot at while wearing hoodie...

419 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:26:20am

re: #418 Kronocide

Breaking: Beiber shot at while wearing hoodie...

Damn!
Don't get my hope.....
...
...
...
Nothing.

420 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:26:30am

re: #411 Lidane

Rasmussen: Obama 51% - Romney 42% in VA

Yeah! That's great news. Honestly Obama may just have turned this state blue for the foreseeable future in presidential elections at least. Hopefully if Cuccinnelli is the Republican nominee for governor in 2013, we can give the people an aversion to state wide Republicans too.

421 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:26:37am

re: #416 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Won't the Secret Service object if you try to grab Romney, hold him upside-down, and shake him?

Not if we let Newt do it. Then they'll sit back and take bets. Heh.

422 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:26:46am

re: #417 carlaschluge

Satire. How does it fucking work?!

423 carlaschluge  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:27:43am

re: #422 Varek Raith

Youtube Video
424 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:28:31am
Youtube Video
425 carlaschluge  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:29:07am

re: #422 Varek Raith

Hilarious!

426 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:29:10am

re: #382 carlaschluge

Right, and NYT is not biased at all. And this site is not biased at all. Give me a break.

It must suck being you.

427 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:30:25am

re: #418 Kronocide

Breaking: Beiber shot at while wearing hoodie...

What was he shot with, a Canon EOS Rebel T3 Digital SLR?

428 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:30:55am

re: #419 Varek Raith

Damn!
Don't get my hope...
...
...
...
Nothing.

Why do you hate her?
/

429 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:31:33am

re: #410 allegro

The Cajun dialect is the most charming of all dialects in the US, IMO. I'd MUCH rather listen to a Cajun than a New Yawker in that sense.

It is an unique accent. Hell the Cajuns have a fascinating history too.

430 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:31:38am

re: #417 carlaschluge

You're not much into actually having a discussion about things, are you?

431 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:32:29am

WTF?

French teacher holds moment of silence for Toulouse killer

A French teacher faces disciplinary action for allegedly asking her students to observe a moment of silence for Toulouse terrorist Mohammed Merah a day after he was killed by police, AFP reported Friday.

According to a report on the website of French newspaper Paris Normandie, the 56-year-old English teacher in Rouen, North of Paris, urged students to honor the Toulouse killer shortly before classes started.

432 blueraven  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:32:35am

re: #417 carlaschluge

If you want to hear gibberish, watch President Obama with his questionable lip-reading.

[Embedded content]

At least he doesn't have an etch-a-sketch for a soul.

433 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:32:59am

Amusing.

434 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:33:39am

re: #431 NJDhockeyfan

WTF?

French teacher holds moment of silence for Toulouse killer

Yeah what the fuck.

435 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:34:51am

re: #431 NJDhockeyfan

WTF?

French teacher holds moment of silence for Toulouse killer

Image: facepalm4cr.jpg

436 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:36:04am

re: #431 NJDhockeyfan

WTF?

French teacher holds moment of silence for Toulouse killer

Image: woodywtf.jpg

437 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:36:15am

re: #431 NJDhockeyfan

Just a report on some website for the moment. Wait for some confirmation.

438 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:37:59am
439 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:38:01am

Romney Celebrates Health Care Reform Anniversary By Lying About It
Heh.

440 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:38:08am

re: #430 Obdicut

You're not much into actually having a discussion about things, are you?

This is a biased site!

441 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:38:30am

re: #437 Obdicut

Just a report on some website for the moment. Wait for some confirmation.

Meh. I'm sure people want to hang her already.

442 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:38:31am

re: #438 Lidane

What.

443 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:39:05am

re: #224 Second Amendment Renegation

BTW, Ralphie, a couple of days ago I wrongly thought a star occultation by the sun was one by Venus. You were right.

444 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:39:45am

re: #442 Varek Raith

What.

Just add the words Black Panthers and voila! Wingnut headline!

445 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:39:56am

re: #439 Varek Raith

Romney Celebrates Health Care Reform Anniversary By Lying About It
Heh.

Baseball fans have heard of Manny being Manny but political junkies know that this is Mitt being Mitt.

446 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:40:22am

re: #437 Obdicut

Just a report on some website for the moment. Wait for some confirmation.

There's more...

ROUEN, France (AFP) - A French teacher faced disciplinary proceedings on Friday for allegedly urging her class to observe a minute's silence for serial killer Mohamed Merah, the day after he was shot by police.

Education Minister Luc Chatel called for the teacher to be suspended after her class reported she had called Merah a 'victim' and said his links to Al-Qaeda were invented by the media and 'Sarko', referring to President Nicolas Sarkozy.

Student representatives in the final year class in the northern city of Rouen wrote to the principal to voice 'shock' at being urged in an English lesson to pay respect to a self-declared Al-Qaeda militant who killed seven people.

Most of the class walked out, though some remained 'to try to understand what she was talking about', their letter said.

447 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:41:30am

re: #438 Lidane

So Obama could not possibly have been motivated to speak out by any sort of compassion - the NBPs and Sharpton shamed him into it because they're his real constituency, or something. SMDH.

448 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:42:09am

re: #446 NJDhockeyfan

Sounds like, if it's true, she's a conspiracy theorist.

449 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:42:58am

re: #446 NJDhockeyfan

There's more...

Ugh.

450 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:44:18am

re: #448 Obdicut

Sounds like, if it's true, she's a conspiracy theorist.

Which is very important.

451 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:44:58am

re: #450 Kronocide

Which is very important.

IT MEANS ALL LEFTIES SUPPORT HER!!!

452 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:45:39am

re: #382 carlaschluge

Right, and NYT is not biased at all. And this site is not biased at all. Give me a break.

There is nothing wrong with bias. Some bias is right and some is wrong. Everything you say suggests you know that, even while you don't know right from wrong.

453 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:45:54am

re: #450 Kronocide

Here's the full story:

[Link: www.google.com...]

ROUEN, France — A French teacher faced disciplinary proceedings Friday for allegedly urging her class to observe a minute's silence for serial killer Mohamed Merah, the day after he was shot by police.

Education Minister Luc Chatel called for the teacher to be suspended after her class reported she had called Merah a "victim" and said his links to Al-Qaeda were invented by the media and "Sarko", referring to President Nicolas Sarkozy.

Student representatives in the final year class in the northern city of Rouen wrote to the principal to voice "shock" at being urged in an English lesson to pay respect to a self-declared Al-Qaeda militant who killed seven people.

Most of the class walked out, though some remained "to try to understand what she was talking about," their letter said.

She "clearly said that Mohamed Merah was a victim, that the link with Al-Qaeda had been invented by the media and 'Sarko'," said the letter, a copy of which was published by the Paris Normandie newspaper.

Police shot Merah dead on Thursday at his flat in southwest France where he was holed up after going on a jihadist-inspired killing spree. His victims included three young Jewish children and three paratroopers.
Following the attack on the Jewish children, schools around France held a minute's silence in their memory. The teacher was not immediately available to comment.

So it's based on that letter. Assuming it's legit, it's probably true-- it seems unlikely a bunch of students would conspire to lie about something like that. Sounds like she really hates Sarkozy.

I wonder if there's going to be French versions of Truthers about this event, now.

454 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:47:50am

re: #453 Obdicut

Here's the full story:

[Link: www.google.com...]

So it's based on that letter. Assuming it's legit, it's probably true-- it seems unlikely a bunch of students would conspire to lie about something like that. Sounds like she really hates Sarkozy.

I wonder if there's going to be French versions of Truthers about this event, now.

What's French for "ass handed to you (f)"?

455 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:49:10am

re: #453 Obdicut

I wonder if there's going to be French versions of Truthers about this event, now.

Of course there will be, there always are. Remember the stories about the Israeli embassy secretly warning jews to stay out of the London tube on 7/7? It's standard procedure.

456 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:49:46am

re: #454 Decatur Deb

Votre derrière t'donne.

457 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:51:41am

re: #456 Obdicut

Votre derrière t'donne.

Commie.
er...
Yeah!
Commie.

458 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:52:08am

re: #454 Decatur Deb

And that's just a literal translation, it makes no sense in french, really. I didn't bother putting it into the passive because it wouldn't have made any more sense.

459 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:52:28am

re: #455 Killgore Trout

Of course there will be, there always are. Remember the stories about the Israeli embassy secretly warning jews to stay out of the London tube on 7/7? It's standard procedure.

Just like the Jews told not to go to work at the WTC on 9-11. Stupid people are all around us.

460 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:52:47am

re: #457 Varek Raith

I probably like France least out of any country in Western Europe and it's the only one who's language I can speak.

461 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:53:03am
462 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:53:07am

re: #453 Obdicut

Here's the full story:

[Link: www.google.com...]

So it's based on that letter. Assuming it's legit, it's probably true-- it seems unlikely a bunch of students would conspire to lie about something like that. Sounds like she really hates Sarkozy.

I wonder if there's going to be French versions of Truthers about this event, now.

Actually. He was the one that claimed to be a member of al-Qaeda so the teacher has that wrong. As far as I know the French government hasn't verified this. To my knowledge al-Qaeda has not taken credit for his acts.

463 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:53:37am

re: #459 NJDhockeyfan

Just like the Jews told not to go to work at the WTC on 9-11. Stupid people are all around us.

Or people who thought that ACORN was conspiring to register people to illegally vote.

464 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:53:51am

More Catholic stuff:

Wife and her catechumen friend are observing the requirement to abstain from meat on Fridays in Lent. So for a couple weeks I've been grilling marinated tuna steaks and planked salmon. Today I'm going to try a grilled radicchio salad from the garden with it. I don't think they have that 'penance and self-denial' thing down pat.

Starting the grill--BBL.

465 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:54:19am

re: #456 Obdicut

Votre derrière t'donne.

It sounds better in English.

466 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:55:27am

re: #464 Decatur Deb

More Catholic stuff:

Wife and her catechumen friend are observing the requirement to abstain from meat on Fridays in Lent. So for a couple weeks I've been grilling marinated tuna steaks and planked salmon. Today I'm goping to try a grilled radicchio salad from the garden with it. I don't think they have that 'penance and self-denial' thing down pat.

Starting the grill--BBL.

I always felt that way about fish on Fridays--where's the sacrifice? Now if it had been tofu...

467 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:56:15am

re: #466 wrenchwench

I always felt that way about fish on Fridays--where's the sacrifice? Now if it had been tofu...

Grilled tofalmon.

468 Mocking Jay  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:57:36am

Guns don't kill people, hoodies kill people...

469 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:57:47am

re: #467 Decatur Deb

Grilled tofalmon.

Too close to offal...

I do make a nice tofu-rice-mushroom dish about every other week. I invented it just to have something to put Garam Masala on when I discovered that.

470 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:59:12am

re: #469 wrenchwench

Too close to offal...

I do make a nice tofu-rice-mushroom dish about every other week. I invented it just to have something to put Garam Masala on when I discovered that.

My brother eats vegetarian hot dogs(?) and burgers simply as a matrix to put chile pepper relish and/or bread-and-butter jalapenos on.

471 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:59:46am

re: #463 Obdicut

Or people who thought that ACORN was conspiring to register people to illegally vote.

Or people who thought George Bush had the levees in New Orleans bombed.

472 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:00:24am

re: #468 Altar Boy of Darwinism

Guns don't kill people, hoodies kill people...

I wear a hoodie almost every day from about November to April, but as a small white woman with a lot of gray hair, I fail to scare anyone.

Maybe if I had Geraldo's mustache...

473 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:00:39am

re: #471 NJDhockeyfan

Or people who thought George Bush had the levees in New Orleans bombed.

I thought that was done by a real estate mogul in Chicago.
//

474 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:00:51am

re: #471 NJDhockeyfan

Or people who thought George Bush had the levees in New Orleans bombed.

heh. Never heard that one before.

475 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:01:00am

re: #470 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

My brother eats vegetarian hot dogs(?) and burgers simply as a matrix to put chile pepper relish and/or bread-and-butter jalapenos on.

You probably need to add something to those so the flavor is edible.

476 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:01:44am

Please read.

France official: Gunman had no ties to al Qaeda

(CBS/AP) PARIS - French President Nicolas Sarkozy's spy chief says a gunman who killed three young children and a rabbi at a Jewish school only attacked the school after missing his original target — a French soldier.

Ange Mancini, Sarkozy's intelligence adviser, said on French TV that Mohamed Merah had wanted to kill a soldier he had targeted Monday in Toulouse, but arrived too late and instead besieged a nearby Jewish school.

Mancini told France-24 TV on Friday that "it wasn't the school that he wanted to attack," calling school shooting "opportunistic."

...

477 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:01:52am

re: #471 NJDhockeyfan

Or people who thought George Bush had the levees in New Orleans bombed.

Both equally stupid. But the ACORN BS was much more widely believed and promoted by GOP politicians.

478 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:02:15am

re: #471 NJDhockeyfan

Or people who thought George Bush had the levees in New Orleans bombed.

Or people who think the moon landing was real.
IT WASN'T!

479 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:02:49am

Toulouse siege: 'no evidence gunman had ties to al Qaeda'

France has no evidence that the gunman who went on a killing spree that left seven people dead was commissioned to go on the rampage by al Qaeda, an official has said.

480 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:03:27am

re: #474 Obdicut

heh. Never heard that one before.

MSNBC:

Were the levees bombed in New Orleans?

WASHINGTON — It's become a strongly held belief by some in the storm zone — the idea that the destruction of New Orleans’ heavily poor, heavily black Ninth Ward was neither an accident nor an act of nature.

Dyan French, also known as “Mama D,” is a New Orleans Citizen and Community Leader. She testified before the House Select Committee on Hurricane Katrina on Tuesday.

“I was on my front porch. I have witnesses that they bombed the walls of the levee, boom, boom!” Mama D said, holding her head. “Mister, I'll never forget it.”

“Certainly appears to me to be an act of genocide and of ethnic cleansing,” Leah Hodges, another New Orleans citizen, told the committee.

Similar statements, sometimes couched as rumors, have also been voiced by Louis Farrakhan, leader of the nation of Islam, and director Spike Lee.
“I don't find it too far-fetched,” Lee said in a recent television interview, “that they try to displace all the black people out of New Orleans.”

Louis Farrakhan seemed to have fanned the flame on that bogus story.

481 Mocking Jay  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:03:45am

re: #478 Varek Raith

Or people who think the moon landing was real.
IT WASN'T!

Youtube Video
482 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:04:24am

re: #470 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

My brother eats vegetarian hot dogs(?) and burgers simply as a matrix to put chile pepper relish and/or bread-and-butter jalapenos on.

We have green chile stew about every other week--for about three days, 'cause you can't make that in small batches.

483 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:05:44am

re: #479 Gus

Toulouse siege: 'no evidence gunman had ties to al Qaeda'

What happened with the stories in the news that he went to terror training camps on the Afghanistan/Pakistan border?

484 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:06:00am

re: #481 Altar Boy of Darwinism

[Embedded content]

Buzz...

But while trying to spread the word about the possibilities of space, Dr Aldrin said he was sceptical of climate change theories.

"I think the climate has been changing for billions of years," he said.

"If it's warming now, it may cool off later. I'm not in favour of just taking short-term isolated situations and depleting our resources to keep our climate just the way it is today.

"I'm not necessarily of the school that we are causing it all, I think the world is causing it."

485 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:06:10am

False Equivalence Fail.

486 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:07:10am

re: #480 NJDhockeyfan

MSNBC:

Were the levees bombed in New Orleans?

Louis Farrakhan seemed to have fanned the flame on that bogus story.

Ahhh. Do you have a link to him pushing it on the House or Senate floor? Or is it just one statement that he would not be surprised if it were true to some audience he was pandering to?

487 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:07:42am

re: #483 NJDhockeyfan

What happened with the stories in the news that he went to terror training camps on the Afghanistan/Pakistan border?

There are Taliban there. He likely received training. Could have included AQ training. But he acted seemingly on his own and was not officially a member of either group. The non-AQ connection is coming from a French intelligence official according to several news sites.

488 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:08:15am

re: #476 Gus

Damn it. Obviously, I don't wish that soldier dead, but... ugh. I read earlier reports saying he was rejected by the Foreign Legion-- have you sen any confirmation about this?

489 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:08:21am

re: #470 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

My brother eats vegetarian hot dogs(?) and burgers simply as a matrix to put chile pepper relish and/or bread-and-butter jalapenos on.

I buy veggie burgers and veggie spicy breaded "chicken" patties as a way to meet my fast food craving without eating the pink slime and horrifying garbage that passes for fast food meat.

490 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:09:35am

re: #488 Obdicut

Damn it. Obviously, I don't wish that soldier dead, but... ugh. I read earlier reports saying he was rejected by the Foreign Legion-- have you sen any confirmation about this?

Haven't seen anything about the Foreign Legion. Heard about it a couple of says ago. Haven't really been on top of this either.

491 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:09:54am

re: #486 RayFerd

Ahhh. Do you have a link to him pushing it on the House or Senate floor? Or is it just one statement that he would not be surprised if it were true to some audience he was pandering to?

House or Senate floor?

Huh?

Where did that come from?

Is it a full moon?

492 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:10:48am

re: #455 Killgore Trout

Of course there will be, there always are. Remember the stories about the Israeli embassy secretly warning jews to stay out of the London tube on 7/7? It's standard procedure.

Skoal!

493 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:11:35am

re: #492 Liberal Entity

Skoal!

COAL WILL NOT BE A FOUR LETTER WORD!

494 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:12:25am

re: #490 Gus

Haven't seen anything about the Foreign Legion. Heard about it a couple of says ago. Haven't really been on top of this either.

I saw that he was caught with a knife in Israel back in 2010 and was questioned before they let him go. I didn't see anything about the Foreign Legion though.

495 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:14:14am

re: #493 Varek Raith

COAL WILL NOT BE A FOUR LETTER WORD!

Youtube Video
496 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:14:59am

re: #491 NJDhockeyfan

House or Senate floor?

Huh?

Where did that come from?

Is it a full moon?

No, it's more that the ACORN bullshit wound up with an actual act of Congress getting passed because so many idiots believed in it.

Whereas the levee bombing stuff didn't really have any actual effect.

That's what I interpreted it as, anyway.

497 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:15:08am

re: #494 NJDhockeyfan

I saw that he was caught with a knife in Israel back in 2010 and was questioned before they let him go. I didn't see anything about the Foreign Legion though.

Sounds to my like this nut should have been sitting in jail all along. Allegedly they were "keeping track" of him. How did he wind up with so many weapons in France of all places? Especially given his background? I think someone screwed up big time here.

498 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:15:45am

re: #488 Obdicut

Damn it. Obviously, I don't wish that soldier dead, but... ugh.

Yeah, I felt that one in the pit of my stomach too. The surviving parents do NOT need the additional pain that knowledge will surely bring.

I didn't realize until yesterday that the woman who lost her husband and the two little boys? Her daughter is just over a year old and she's expecting another child.

499 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:15:56am

re: #496 Obdicut

No, it's more that the ACORN bullshit wound up with an actual act of Congress getting passed because so many idiots believed in it.

Whereas the levee bombing stuff didn't really have any actual effect.

That's what I interpreted it as, anyway.

Alrighty then.

500 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:15:57am

The usual idiots at Haaretz:

Israel must take care not to cry "Anti-Semitism" after Toulouse attack.

WTF?

While the ugly, acute "old" anti-Semitism still exists in France, radical Islam's blatant spokesmen are filled with a "new" kind of hatred toward Jews - the kind that is fed, among other things, by the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

[...]

Israel's concern and solidarity are justified, but it must not interpret a terror attack into a narrow political cliche. And from a complex, grim event, it must not produce an exclusive outcry, charging a friendly state with sweeping anti-Semitism. By so doing, Israel is undermining France's sovereignty.

Fucking idiots.

501 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:21:13am

Crap, I forgot to log out three hours ago, I hope nobody was waiting for my witty responses.
//
What is the punishment for failure to log out? A flogging with a cat o' nine tails or just a good sound spanking.
I will insert ball gag and await...

502 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:21:13am

Image: 93dd2ffd8f66-1_2175638k.jpg

A 152" Panasonic television has gone on sale in Harrods for £600,000, launching a new technology department that includes exclusives from BlackBerry, Fujifilm and Loewe. The 600kg set’s 4K2K technology has four times as many pixels as a conventional high definition TV set, and creates a separate 3D image in HD for each eye.

The screen is the same size as nine 50” displays stacked in three rows, featuring a 4096 x 2160 resolution. The TH-152UX1W is ordinarily sold as a professional display, but Harrods’ new technology department is adding it to a range of expensive cameras, loudspeakers and mobile phones in a new technology department that officially opens on Thursday. The set’s 17:9 ratio is the same as that used in cinemas, and Harrods anticipates it appealing to the same customers who purchase its range of limited edition Swarovski-encrusted BlackBerry smartphones.

503 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:22:14am

re: #502 Gus

Image: 93dd2ffd8f66-1_2175638k.jpg

I don't think that will fit in my living room.

504 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:22:47am

re: #503 NJDhockeyfan

I don't think that will fit in my living room.

Looks funny. Like a giant version of a smaller one.

505 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:23:06am

re: #502 Gus

Interesting price: the initial release and showing has it at $500k US.

506 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:23:50am

re: #498 CuriousLurker

Yeah, I felt that one in the pit of my stomach too. The surviving parents do NOT need the additional pain that knowledge will surely bring.

I didn't realize until yesterday that the woman who lost her husband and the two little boys? Her daughter is just over a year old and she's expecting another child.

I'd also venture to say that the soldier, if he knows about it, probably feels horrible and would gladly turn back the clock and give his life to change things, if it was within his power to do so.

508 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:29:11am

re: #506 CuriousLurker

You 70's musical tweeting was fantastic. I subscribed to that "unsung documentary" series so I could get back to it. The one I +1'd wasn't even my fave, but it was addressed to the lizards, so...

I'm not going to tell you which two were the only ones I didn't like!

509 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:36:27am

re: #508 wrenchwench

You 70's musical tweeting was fantastic. I subscribed to that "unsung documentary" series so I could get back to it. The one I +1'd wasn't even my fave, but it was addressed to the lizards, so...

Yeah, those were a cool find. I've found several people that have tons of full-length BBC stuff too, some of it in HD. I freaking love YT.

I'm not going to tell you which two were the only ones I didn't like!

The same ones Marjorie hated? (Stairway to Heaven & Smoke on the Water)

510 abolitionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:36:46am

re: #501 Tommy's cone of shame

Crap, I forgot to log out three hours ago, I hope nobody was waiting for my witty responses.
//
What is the punishment for failure to log out? A flogging with a cat o' nine tails or just a good sound spanking.
I will insert ball gag and await...

I rarely logout because I usually can't accurately plan when I'm going to be away from the PC for a long time, vs a short time. If I were in the habit of logging out routinely, my login rate might easily be higher by a factor of ten.

Whether our host has ever expressed any preference one way or the other, I'm unaware.

511 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:43:20am

re: #496 Obdicut

No, it's more that the ACORN bullshit wound up with an actual act of Congress getting passed because so many idiots believed in it.

Whereas the levee bombing stuff didn't really have any actual effect.

That's what I interpreted it as, anyway.

That is exactly it, but I don't have the patience right now to explain what the flow of the conversation had been up to that point.

512 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:44:07am

re: #509 CuriousLurker

Yeah, those were a cool find. I've found several people that have tons of full-length BBC stuff too, some of it in HD. I freaking love YT.

The same ones Marjorie hated? (Stairway to Heaven & Smoke on the Water)

Nah, those were way overplayed in my youth (in the 70s), but I don't hate 'em. This one I have always hated: Guess Who- American Woman.

513 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:45:57am

re: #499 NJDhockeyfan

Alrighty then.

Nice dismissal. That is exactly why I was just gonna let you be without an answer cause you are just so fucking sure of yourself and I don't have the patience nor the give a fuck to waste my time.

514 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:47:06am

re: #510 abolitionist

I rarely logout...

Same here. I stay logged in for days at a time.

Sadly, no one seems to hold their breath waiting for my witty responses. Hell, they don't even have the decency to cry a little bit when I leave or pine for me while I'm gone. Freaking lizards are fickle, I tell ya. They act like they love you, but the minute some other silver tongued reptile with fancy colored scales comes along, they forget all about you just like that *snap*. //

515 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:48:23am

re: #512 wrenchwench

Nah, those were way overplayed in my youth (in the 70s), but I don't hate 'em. This one I have always hated: Guess Who- American Woman.

Well, the lyrics are kinda rude. ;)

516 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:52:32am

re: #515 CuriousLurker

Well, the lyrics are kinda rude. ;)

Maybe I shouldn't take it so personally.

F'n Canadians.

//

517 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:54:21am

re: #516 wrenchwench

Maybe I shouldn't take it so personally.

F'n Canadians.

//

LOL, you'll have to smack b_sharp or someone when he gets here, just for good measure. You can explain why afterwards.

518 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:05:03am

re: #503 NJDhockeyfan

I don't think that will fit in my living room house.

519 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:07:30am

re: #514 CuriousLurker

Same here. I stay logged in for days at a time.

Sadly, no one seems to hold their breath waiting for my witty responses. Hell, they don't even have the decency to cry a little bit when I leave or pine for me while I'm gone. Freaking lizards are fickle, I tell ya. They act like they love you, but the minute some other silver tongued reptile with fancy colored scales comes along, they forget all about you just like that *snap*. //

My heart bleeds for you.

(oh crap, I noticed there is a new thread again. Can't step away here without something happening)

520 Vermicelli  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:29:26pm

out of the large percentage of nazi's that were catholic during their hideous reign, the only one to get excommunicated was goebbels. Not because of his barbaric acts against human kind but because he married a protestant.


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