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Fox News Commenters Spew Another Deluge of Racist Hatred at Trayvon Martin and President Obama

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President Obama made a statement today on the killing of Trayvon Martin:

“When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids,” Obama said in Rose Garden remarks. “I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this. And that everybody pull together.” …

“My main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin. You know, if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon,” Obama said.

And once again, the racism and hatred is just pouring out of the Fox News audience, in the comments for their article about Obama’s remarks:

Perhaps Obama, Sharpton and Louis Eugene Wolcott (aka Louis Farrakhan) can hold a “Malt Liquour Summit.” Also, have you noticed the femininity of both Farrakhan and Rev. Wright? A natural attraction for B.O.

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Trayvon = Like most Bl acks he’s illegitimate. Where’s his father?

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A new low for obama.CNN ,its blaque anchor and blaque guest,has airtime to denounce this event.the killing is a tragedy,and our blaque president does not need to highlight it..enjoy your time in the spotlite all you minorities…I do not think america will ever elect a blaque,mexican,or any other ,,,thanx to this president,,,he has shown the world, favoritism to his race,,which was not supposed to exist..

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Yes, his panic on Ne gro crime is an epidemic…sorry this did not fit the template you were soooo hoping for.

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Obamanure should start wearing a hoodie so as to more closely identify with his kind.

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Did the white side of him just use a racist joke saying all b l a c k s look alike?

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I know one thing, if a n i g g e r is in my fenced in area he would meet my 12 gauge. N i g g e r s throughout history have been nothing but trouble everywhere they go!

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Obowma is the most judgemental, racist POS on the face of the earth, BAR NONE.

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You’re right, Barak, he DOES look Kenyan…..

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moochelle is probably wondering where barry was 18 years ago…. gotta go check his calendar… im betting he was too busy on the down low to care about women

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Obama is helping a b l a c k mob l y n c h an innocent H i s p a n i c for votes.

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All I can say is that God Zimmerman (the alleged shooter) isn’t a white guy! Now I can walk around and not worry about the hommies beatin on my white-azz over this. Well, at least not over this issue. This whitey is off the hook on this one.

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Breaking News! Last week, when Joe Biden heard that the lead Monkee had died, he ran down the hall of the White House yelling,”I’m the President!, I’m the President!” We can only imagine his disappointment …

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The real question is, if B.O. Sr. is B.O. Jr’s daddy, why does Junior look like Frank Marshall Davis?

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If he was a B l a c k teacher we would lower our flags at half mast—-why? because b l a c k s are semi-retarded—-so we feel sympathy for them.

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Hey Obama, the French Muzzle-em terrorist could be Darryl, your twin brother.

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Shizzle-Nizzle is such a BUFFOON! First, he orders the Holder’s corrupt Feds into a LOCAL law enforcement matter—now….

“SLAYV-VON BEE IZ ONE ‘O MAH LONG-LOST BASTUHD CHITLINS!

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Hello!No, Trayvon does not have African chimpanzee ears so 0bama’s son would not look like Trayvon.

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if they still lived in Africa, they would be living in huts and caves and eating one another.

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Why? … cause Obama would have bought his son a hoody and baggy pants and let him roam the streets all hours of the night?

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Any Obama offspring should be slaughtered including his two wh0re c, u n t daughters. Americans have payed a great price to beat back the communist and Americans will make sure it was not for nothing.

I had to stop at that last one, because I was starting to get physically ill at the thought that I’m sharing a country with these people. This is the right wing base; there is a huge number of comments in this vein, and many of them have numerous “likes” from other readers.

And by the way, one of the racist freaks quoted above, who has posted thousands of comments at Fox News, is using this picture as his avatar:

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330 comments

1 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:12:36am

What right wing racism?

2 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:12:58am

Ladies and gentlemen, the "loyal opposition."

3 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:13:46am

No true Scotsman Fox News commentator! Bring out your MBFs!

4 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:14:38am

Witness my amazing and shocking total lack of surprise that the Fox commenters are worthless, disgusting excuses for humanity.

5 Cineaste  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:16:01am

I like that someone is asking where Trayvon's father was. His father was at the f-ing house this poor kid was walking back to with his iced tea and skittles when he was shot.

6 erik_t  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:16:07am

Has Fox gone so far as to even autocensor the word 'black'?

That sure doesn't tell you anything about their commenters.

7 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:16:14am

re: #3 Gus

No true Scotsman Fox News commentator! Bring out your MBFs!

Kilgore was busy over there...
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8 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:17:04am

re: #4 Kragar

Witness my amazing and shocking total lack of surprise that the Fox commenters are worthless, disgusting excuses for humanity.

Yes, and Charles expects you to be a good sockpuppet and go right back into the proxy application and type more in. We're still too irrelevant here!
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9 Sophia77  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:19:21am

I'm starting to understand the 1930's, how H***** got elected. This was something previously incomprehensible to me.

Anyway, I can't look at a photo of Trayvon Martin and not see a bright, open, intelligent young man.

These FOX comments make me want to cry, as if the death of Trayvon Martin wasn't enough, and these stupid NRA sponsored laws that apparently make it darn near legal to murder somebody on the public street.

10 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:19:50am

The Comments are sickening and reveal deep seated racism

11 Big Steve  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:20:44am

re: #9 Sophia77

Do the calls for violence from Farrakhan and others make you cry as well?

12 neilk  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:20:54am

The Secret Service must have Fox Nation on speed-dial.

13 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:21:46am

A kid gets gunned down, the killer walks away due to a poorly constructed law and these people are pissed that the President wants to investigate what went wrong?

What fucking planet do these people come form?

14 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:21:49am

Well, those comments have gone a long way towards wrecking an otherwise beautiful afternoon. Happens every damn time.

It's hard not to hate people sometimes.

15 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:22:56am

re: #11 Big Steve

Do the calls for violence from Farrakhan and others make you cry as well?

Congratulations on winning the first MBF prize.

16 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:23:15am

Did Trayvon Shooter Abuse 911?

But starting in 2011, Zimmerman’s calls increasingly focused on what he considered “suspicious” characters walking around the neighborhood—almost all of whom were young black males.

On April 22, 2011, Zimmerman called to report a black male about “7-9” years old, four feet tall, with a “skinny build” and short black hair. There is no indication in the police report of the reason for Zimmerman’s suspicion of the boy.

On Aug. 3 of last year, Zimmerman reported a black male who he believed was “involved in recent” burglaries in the neighborhood.

And on Oct. 1 he reported two black male suspects “20-30” years old, in a white Chevrolet Impala. He told police he did “not recognize” the men or their vehicle and that he was concerned because of the recent burglaries.

17 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:23:18am

re: #11 Big Steve

Do the calls for violence from Farrakhan and others make you cry as well?

Farrakhan is a piece of shit, but what's your point exactly?

18 dragonfire1981  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:23:36am
Any Obama offspring should be slaughtered including his two wh0re c, u n t daughters. Americans have payed a great price to beat back the communist and Americans will make sure it was not for nothing.

That is beyond fucked up. If you want to trash the man for the color of his skin or policies fine, go ahead, but leave his kids the FUCK ALONE.

They have done nothing. NOTHING.

There is no need to terrorize two young girls who already have to endure far more than most others their age.

I'm not even a father but if I was and someone said this about my kids...well I can't type out how I'd react because it would get me banned...but you get the idea.

I hope the Secret Service finds this person and pays him a nice visit.

It must be known that kind of rhetoric WILL NOT be tolerated.

19 neilk  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:24:16am

re: #17 Liberal Entity

Farrakhan is a piece of shit, but what's your point exactly?

I believe his point is "Hey! Look over there!"

20 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:24:25am

Hey, all those LGF commenters do is read Fox comments, waaah

21 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:24:41am

Perhaps I've missed it, but wouldn't this be "a job for Rachell Maddow", or Jon Stewart?

They spend a lot of time talking about Fox. Why not this?

22 dragonfire1981  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:24:54am

re: #16 Lidane

Did Trayvon Shooter Abuse 911?

But starting in 2011, Zimmerman’s calls increasingly focused on what he considered “suspicious” characters walking around the neighborhood—almost all of whom were young black males.

That oughta tell you a lot about Mr. Zimmerman right there. In most neighborhoods I've been in, "suspicious" characters come in more than one color.

23 dragonfire1981  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:26:32am

Remember the Right wants you to think that all these comments that pop up on almost every story on Fox News and Fox Nation are, in fact, the work of Liberal plants out to smear the Conservative movement.

Boy, those smarmy Liberal bastards must have a LOT of time on their hands!

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24 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:26:40am

re: #11 Big Steve

Do the calls for violence from Farrakhan and others make you cry as well?

WTF?

25 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:26:45am

re: #11 Big Steve

Do the calls for violence from Farrakhan and others make you cry as well?

I'm not a big crier but I'm not happy with Farakahn and Sharpton either. Same goes for the chick on MSNBC who blamed Rush. What makes tragedies like this even more tragic is not enough people are really concerned with the actual tragedy instead of advancing their personal agendas. Most people mean well and see the world through their own lens. I wish there was more focus on the laws and actual circumstances of the tragedy rather the the usual finger pointing and exploitation of a tragic death.

26 neilk  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:27:20am

re: #21 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

Their thing is picking on the influential and powerful; they have almost completely phased out the bits where they make fun of local yokels. Plus, there's nothing funny about this.

27 Tigger2005  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:27:42am

re: #22 dragonfire1981

That oughta tell you a lot about Mr. Zimmerman right there. In most neighborhoods I've been in, "suspicious" characters come in more than one color.

I had a couple of nice looking, clean-cut, church-going young white kids, brother and sister, renting rooms from me. Came home one day and the TV, Wii, and some games in my room had been stolen. The brother and sister both evinced shock and surprise. Not two weeks later, the brother was arrested for burglary.

28 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:28:22am

re: #25 Killgore Trout

Why is it wrong to look at possible underlying social causes leading to the tragedy?

29 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:28:45am

When Farakhan opens up his own news network and claims its "fair and balanced" let me know.

30 leftynyc  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:28:59am

Wretched and vile. If I was a better person, I'd feel sorry for them.

31 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:29:33am

re: #25 Killgore Trout

I'm not a big crier but I'm not happy with Farakahn and Sharpton either.

What do you have against Sharpton in this incident?

32 neilk  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:29:39am

re: #25 Killgore Trout

If Sharpton's "personal agenda" is to keep things like this from happening again, then I'm with him.

33 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:29:43am

Hey, look, there's a black bigot!

34 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:29:43am

Well speaking of racist asshole comments, here's the usual trash talk at Yahoo:

Just proves that he truly represented Islam in it's real light...they don't care who they kill...as long as they get to kill someone.

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@ Iraq Veteran: Do you know how many Palestinian children have been killed by foreign Jews on their ancestral land for 64 years? Hell do you even know Palestinians exist? Thats the western owned Jewish media for you

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It was an inside job.

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Looks as if most of us agree that MUSLIMS SUCK... Only one thing comes to my mind for all governments to do and that is called carpet bombing the entire middle east... Carpet bombing will not harm the oil........................ They will waste our money anyway so why not, won't put american ground soldiers lives in danger....

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35 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:29:52am

re: #26 neilk

Their thing is picking on the influential and powerful; they have almost completely phased out the bits where they make fun of local yokels. Plus, there's nothing funny about this.

It's not local yokels. It's the management at Fox websites and why they attract and appear to encourage the dregs of our society. If that isn't picking on the influential and powerful I don't know what is.

36 Major Tom  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:30:03am

"Fox News: Not racist, but number one with Racists."

37 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:32:16am

re: #16 Lidane

Did Trayvon Shooter Abuse 911?

On April 22, 2011, Zimmerman called to report a black male about “7-9” years old, four feet tall, with a “skinny build” and short black hair. There is no indication in the police report of the reason for Zimmerman’s suspicion of the boy.

So it really didn't matter that Trayvon was 6'2" (if he was) and played football. He could have been four feet tall, and Zimmerman still would have been concerned.

The '7 to 9 year old' must have been wearing a hoodie.

38 dragonfire1981  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:32:19am

Maybe I'm just too darned analytical for my own good, but I think it's hilarious how many armchair generals are so quick to simply say:

"CARPET BOMB THE WHOLE MIDDLE EAST AND BE DONE WITH IT!!!"

Without thinking about the cost, logistics, strategy and potential success rate of such a plan, not to mention the resulting political fallout all over the world.

39 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:33:38am

re: #31 Obdicut

What do you have against Sharpton in this incident?

He often inflames racial tensions is cases like this. I think he's a poor continuation of MLK's legacy.

40 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:34:01am

Trayvon = Like most Bl acks he’s illegitimate. Where’s his father?

His father, you sucking emptiness of soul, had to call his ex-wife and tell her that their son was murdered, a short ways away from the home in a gated community that I assume he bought to keep his children safe.

All further comment on this comment deleted. Fuck.

41 neilk  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:34:41am

re: #35 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

Eh, the guys who run the Fox Nation website are not really influential and powerful at all, and it shows -- if it wasn't for these comments (which, for that matter, are actively discouraged by the people who run Fox Nation) a lot of people wouldn't know these types exist. They have no presence on a national level and are marginalized even in the places where they're concentrated. To tie it back in, I doubt that even the Sanford police chief is on their side. This is why they are so angry--it is the frustration of impotence.

42 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:34:47am

re: #39 Killgore Trout

He often inflames racial tensions is cases like this. I think he's a poor continuation of MLK's legacy.

WTF?

43 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:36:11am

re: #28 Liberal Entity

Why is it wrong to look at possible underlying social causes leading to the tragedy?

I don't think it's wrong but I think the focus for now should be the circumstances and laws involved in the case rather than speculation about racism. I think it would be more productive and more likely to produce results to prevent something like this happening again.

44 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:36:11am

re: #6 erik_t

Has Fox gone so far as to even autocensor the word 'black'?

That sure doesn't tell you anything about their commenters.

I'm not sure if they do autocensor it (which seems impractical), or if the racist freaks just avoid it because doing so makes their comments harder to find if someone ever actually goes through and deletes some of the more egregious crap.

Also, they seem to think that evading filters is some sort of art form.

45 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:36:44am

re: #39 Killgore Trout

He often inflames racial tensions is cases like this. I think he's a poor continuation of MLK's legacy.

I didn't ask what he often did, I asked what problem you had with him in this incident.

I find Sharpton a guy who clearly loves attention, and who has done some silly crap in the past, but he's also spent his life highlighting institutional racism in the US.

By the way, can I point out that your point of view here contradicts much of what you've been saying recently about speech and propaganda and our society being richer from the expression of various points of view, etc? I know you don't really care, but hey, it's fun to point out.

46 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:36:56am

re: #9 Sophia77

I'm starting to understand the 1930's, how H*** got elected. This was something previously incomprehensible to me.

Anyway, I can't look at a photo of Trayvon Martin and not see a bright, open, intelligent young man.

These FOX comments make me want to cry, as if the death of Trayvon Martin wasn't enough, and these stupid NRA sponsored laws that apparently make it darn near legal to murder somebody on the public street.

He looks like a great kid. He looks like a lot of my students.

Fuck.

47 neilk  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:37:01am

re: #40 SanFranciscoZionist

Martin's parents have been appearing in public together since this happened. No sense in showing people what they refuse to see.

48 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:37:20am

re: #39 Killgore Trout

That assumes that Sharpton is somehow a successor to MLK in the first place.

49 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:37:33am

re: #41 neilk

if it wasn't for these comments (which, for that matter, are actively discouraged by the people who run Fox Nation)

Come on now.

They don't 'actively discourage' these posts, or they wouldn't be there.

Those posts are that site's bread and butter. Web clicks from fucking racists.

50 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:37:52am

re: #43 Killgore Trout

I don't think it's wrong but I think the focus for now should be the circumstances and laws involved in the case rather than speculation about racism. I think it would be more productive and more likely to produce results to prevent something like this happening again.

1. I think we can walk and chew gum.

2. The recent threads have been filled with lengthy, boring (no offense ;) ), dry conversations about what the laws mean in this case, etc.

51 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:38:00am

re: #43 Killgore Trout

I don't think it's wrong but I think the focus for now should be the circumstances and laws involved in the case rather than speculation about racism. I think it would be more productive and more likely to produce results to prevent something like this happening again.

Unless of course racism was the circumstance that mattered most. Which we don't know for sure, but it sure looks worth speculating about to me.

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:38:16am

re: #13 Kragar

A kid gets gunned down, the killer walks away due to a poorly constructed law and these people are pissed that the President wants to investigate what went wrong?

What fucking planet do these people come form?

The planet of "Oh my God, my pathetic petty resentment for black people in general and Barack Obama in particular has actually started to damage my internal organs, but I won't stop!"

53 Big Steve  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:38:23am

re: #24 wrenchwench

WTF?

re: #42 wrenchwench

WTF?

A WTF ditto....nice.

54 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:38:23am

re: #43 Killgore Trout

I don't think it's wrong but I think the focus for now should be the circumstances and laws involved in the case rather than speculation about racism. I think it would be more productive and more likely to produce results to prevent something like this happening again.

You don't have to speculate about racism being inherent in the US justice and legal system. It's established fact.

You don't think so?

Are you just talking about speculation about whether Zimmerman himself was an active racist?

55 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:38:37am

Peterson: 'Blacks Kill Whites in far Greater Numbers than Whites Kill Blacks'

As we have noted several times in the past, Jesse Lee Peterson of the Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny (BOND) has carved out a very unique niche as a black right-wing activist who specializes in accusing Democrats, and especially black Democrats, of being racist while defending white people who are accused of racism.

Earlier this year, Peterson made news when he declared that he would like "to take all black people back to the South and put them on the plantation so they would understand the ethic of working." So it comes as no surprise that Peterson has now decided to weigh in on the Trayvon Martin tragedy by declaring that the outrage over his death is not about justice but rather "about getting even with whites and gaining political power":

56 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:38:49am

re: #43 Killgore Trout

I don't think it's wrong but I think the focus for now should be the circumstances and laws involved in the case rather than speculation about racism. I think it would be more productive and more likely to produce results to prevent something like this happening again.

You ever stop and think why black people would want to bring up racism? Seriously? You're questioning why that's come up? You of all people should know better than this.

57 neilk  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:39:05am

re: #49 makeitstop

Of course they actively discourage them. What do you think all the word filters are for, why are the comments closed on the post now? The only remaining step, basically, would be to shut down comments altogether.

58 Major Tom  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:39:19am

re: #41 neilk

Eh, the guys who run the Fox Nation website are not really influential and powerful at all, and it shows -- if it wasn't for these comments (which, for that matter, are actively discouraged by the people who run Fox Nation) a lot of people wouldn't know these types exist. They have no presence on a national level and are marginalized even in the places where they're concentrated. To tie it back in, I doubt that even the Sanford police chief is on their side. This is why they are so angry--it is the frustration of impotence.

I worry about this. As much as the GOP is doing the Democrats a favor by infighting, and splitting their party, I worry that it will increase the amount of Right wingers pushed to the fringe and into violence. If it becomes true that they have absolutely no political efficacy, then they will no longer see the benefits of working within the system, and may resort to violence on a larger scale.

59 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:39:39am

re: #53 Big Steve

re: #42 wrenchwench

A WTF ditto...nice.

Now you're just a-trollin'...

60 CarleeCork  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:39:45am

re: #37 wrenchwench

So it really didn't matter that Trayvon was 6'2" (if he was) and played football. He could have been four feet tall, and Zimmerman still would have been concerned.

The '7 to 9 year old' must have been wearing a hoodie.

And carrying Skittles.

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:39:49am

re: #16 Lidane

Did Trayvon Shooter Abuse 911?

On April 22, 2011, Zimmerman called to report a black male about “7-9” years old, four feet tall, with a “skinny build” and short black hair. There is no indication in the police report of the reason for Zimmerman’s suspicion of the boy.

If I call 911 about anyone aged 7-9, it's probably going to be to report that he's lost and cannot find his mommy.

62 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:40:01am

re: #53 Big Steve

re: #42 wrenchwench

A WTF ditto...nice.

Care to explain your rude comment? Not to me, I don't give a shit, but the one to Sophia77 was uncalled for.

63 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:40:55am

re: #21 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

Perhaps I've missed it, but wouldn't this be "a job for Rachell Maddow", or Jon Stewart?

They spend a lot of time talking about Fox. Why not this?

You can find very similar on a lot of other newssites. This is just plain ol' American racism and stupidity leaking at the seams.

64 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:41:38am

I'll be blunt. Saying this shooting shouldn't include or be about racism is like saying that the shooting in Toulouse shouldn't be about antisemitism.

65 McSpiff  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:41:42am

re: #45 Obdicut

Don't feed the trolls. KT decided to stop contributing here months ago.

66 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:42:14am

re: #57 neilk

Of course they actively discourage them.

What do you think all the word filters are for, why are the comments closed on the post now?

They always close down comments after Charles posts about them.

The only remaining step, basically, would be to shut down comments altogether.

Yeah, but that won't make them any money, will it?

67 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:42:23am

re: #32 neilk

If Sharpton's "personal agenda" is to keep things like this from happening again, then I'm with him.

I'm pretty sure that Sharpton's personal agenda is to make Al Sharpton more affluent and well-known.

68 CarleeCork  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:42:37am

I'm out of here, wearing my hoodie and going to buy some Skittles.

69 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:43:38am

Look, what the commenters say on Fox News does not reflect the beliefs of the Fox News owners. management or on air personalit...

Sorry, I couldn't finish, I was laughing/crying/passing gas too hard.

Of course the commenters reflect the beliefs of the network's self-important assholes, otherwise Fox News would do a better job of stifling the bullshit, or if they really want to preserve their distorted idea of free speech, they could hire somebody to make comments countering the bullshit.

70 Big Steve  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:44:11am

re: #62 wrenchwench

Care to explain your rude comment? Not to me, I don't give a shit, but the one to Sophia77 was uncalled for.

rude comment? It was a simple question, it was not a comment, position, argument, premise, conclusion, statement of fact, syllogism, dictum....I did not call her a name, insult her intelligence, nor refer to gender, race, or sexual orientation. It was just a question and it was unanswered.

71 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:44:52am

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm pretty sure that Sharpton's personal agenda is to make Al Sharpton more affluent and well-known.

I think he also genuinely cares about the state of racism in the US. There's easier ways to make money. He did get stabbed in the chest while leading a protest once.

72 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:45:04am

re: #70 Big Steve

rude comment? It was a simple question, it was not a comment, position, argument, premise, conclusion, statement of fact, syllogism, dictum...I did not call her a name, insult her intelligence, nor refer to gender, race, or sexual orientation. It was just a question and it was unanswered.

Passive aggressive rudeness.

Simple question my ass.

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:45:56am

re: #64 Gus

I'll be blunt. Saying this shooting shouldn't include or be about racism is like saying that the shooting in Toulouse shouldn't be about antisemitism.

Believe me, people have said that. A lot of people. The comments on that one have also been nauseating.

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:46:40am

re: #68 CarleeCork

I'm out of here, wearing my hoodie and going to buy some Skittles.

Be careful. If you get shot by the neighborhood watch, Geraldo's going to criticize your parents.

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75 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:47:24am

re: #65 McSpiff

I know you didn't ask me, but anyway - KT writes some pretty lucid stuff from to time. Writing him off as a pure troll would be a mistake.

76 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:47:59am

re: #70 Big Steve

rude comment? It was a simple question, it was not a comment, position, argument, premise, conclusion, statement of fact, syllogism, dictum...I did not call her a name, insult her intelligence, nor refer to gender, race, or sexual orientation. It was just a question and it was unanswered.

Put the shovel down and step out of that hole you're digging.

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:48:02am

re: #71 Obdicut

I think he also genuinely cares about the state of racism in the US. There's easier ways to make money. He did get stabbed in the chest while leading a protest once.

I'm willing to accept that he's a sincere showman. I still dislike him deeply.

78 McSpiff  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:49:38am

re: #75 Liberal Entity

I know you didn't ask me, but anyway - KT writes some pretty lucid stuff from to time. Writing him off as a pure troll would be a mistake.

Agree to disagree on this point.

79 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:49:58am

re: #25 Killgore Trout

I'm not a big crier but I'm not happy with Farakahn and Sharpton either. Same goes for the chick on MSNBC who blamed Rush. What makes tragedies like this even more tragic is not enough people are really concerned with the actual tragedy instead of advancing their personal agendas. Most people mean well and see the world through their own lens. I wish there was more focus on the laws and actual circumstances of the tragedy rather the the usual finger pointing and exploitation of a tragic death.

Sharpton has made mistakes in the past, but he has worked very hard to do better and I think that deserves praise.

I watched his show Politics Nation, for awhile and enjoyed it, but I don't watch it any longer. Basically because I didn't have time for it. At any rate, Sharpton is an awesome liberal and a brilliant speaker if you take any time to listen to him.

And there are worlds of difference between Sharpton and Farrahkan. Their styles are nothing alike nor their opinions from what I've seen.

80 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:50:18am

re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm willing to accept that he's a sincere showman. I still dislike him deeply.

I dislike him too. But I don't think the general charge that he inflames racial tensions is true. He definitely did in the Crown Heights riots, and has been insufficiently apologetic. In a lot of other cases, he just loudly complains when an unarmed black man is shot and helps the family to pursue legal action. I can't really find much fault with that, and some of those families have expressed their gratitude for his actions.

Anyway, he's a complete distraction. This didn't begin with him, he is not in charge of it, and obviously race needs to be discussed in connection with this-- and I say that as someone who isn't convinced Zimmerman is more racist than your average suburbanite.

81 erik_t  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:51:29am

re: #75 Liberal Entity

I know you didn't ask me, but anyway - KT writes some pretty lucid stuff from to time. Writing him off as a pure troll would be a mistake.

I disagree with your tense, unfortunately.

82 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:51:37am

Oh by all means, let's talk about Black racists so we can divert our attention from the white ones ??

83 Big Steve  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:51:45am
WTF......I don't give a shit......simple question my ass

and I am being called the rude one?

84 jaunte  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:52:08am

This site is so biased against racist comments at Fox.

85 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:52:44am

re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm willing to accept that he's a sincere showman. I still dislike him deeply.

From what I've read about him, I think he's a creep, but that's neither here nor there. Why are we even talking about him? Oh, right...

86 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:53:11am

re: #83 Big Steve

Did you have any reason to suspect that the person you were asking wasn't opposed to calls for violence from Farrakhan?

By the way, Farrakhan, being a crafty jerk, is normally pretty careful to not actually call for violence.

87 neilk  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:53:21am

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not going to let my personal feelings about Sharpton determine how I feel about the issues he gets involved with, as Killgore was inviting us to.

88 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:53:47am

re: #81 erik_t

I disagree with your tense, unfortunately.

It's still there. From time to time.

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:54:54am

re: #87 neilk

I'm not going to let my personal feelings about Sharpton determine how I feel about the issues he gets involved with, as Killgore was inviting us to.

Sharpton is irrelevent to this situation. Then again, so is Geraldo Rivera.

Hey. Cage match.

90 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:55:14am
91 McSpiff  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:55:28am

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

Sharpton is irrelevent to this situation. Then again, so is Geraldo Rivera.

Hey. Cage match.

Winner gets a hoodie.

92 jaunte  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:56:04am

Apparently someone has to put outside pressure on the Sanford PD to get them to start doing their job; I don't really mind if Sharpton has a part in keeping this killing in the news.

93 Big Steve  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:56:11am

Every day I check in on this site and the first thing I do is check the Bottom 10 comments. They are far far more interesting than the Top 10. I have long wanted to make the top of the Bottom 10 and today I am close. Come on all put me over the top!

94 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:56:56am

re: #93 Big Steve

Okay.

95 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:57:06am

re: #23 dragonfire1981

Remember the Right wants you to think that all these comments that pop up on almost every story on Fox News and Fox Nation are, in fact, the work of Liberal plants out to smear the Conservative movement.

Boy, those smarmy Liberal bastards must have a LOT of time on their hands!

//

They should just ban all the usernames to stop that kind of shit.

96 erik_t  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:57:15am

SOMEONE PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEEEEE

97 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:57:58am

re: #93 Big Steve

Every day I check in on this site and the first thing I do is check the Bottom 10 comments. They are far far more interesting than the Top 10. I have long wanted to make the top of the Bottom 10 and today I am close. Come on all put me over the top!

Seriously, what the hell? What are you arguing over here?

98 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:58:06am

Flounce is in the air
Everywhere I look around
Flounce is in the air
Every sight and every sound

99 McSpiff  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:58:16am

re: #93 Big Steve

Every day I check in on this site and the first thing I do is check the Bottom 10 comments. They are far far more interesting than the Top 10. I have long wanted to make the top of the Bottom 10 and today I am close. Come on all put me over the top!

Worst slow motion flounce ever. I'm sure the stalkers will still welcome you with open arms...

100 Aye Pod  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:59:27am

Wow. This is pure psychopathic hate. Can you imagine what these creeps are going to be like when they realise that Obama's getting another four years?

101 Aye Pod  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:00:51pm

re: #96 erik_t

SOMEONE PAY ATTENTION TO MEEE

Woo I got into trouble at LGF!

102 McSpiff  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:01:23pm

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

Seriously, what the hell? What are you arguing over here?

Liberals are mean, they don't understand how scary blacks are :(

103 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:02:17pm

re: #100 Captain Senseless

Wow. This is pure psychopathic hate. Can you imagine what these creeps are going to be like when they realise that Obama's getting another four years?

I'd start looking for whatever the proper "Don't Shoot Me!" wardrobe is, because these cretins will surely go "lone wolf" should Obama win a second term.

104 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:02:55pm

Actually, I thought Sharpton had apologized for his remarks over Crown Heights, but not really.

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Read his letter there to the rabbi.

They still need to address this issue and ease tensions, but I personally don't feel as hostile to Sharpton that I have in the past. I think the incident with the girl who cried rape taught him a lesson in patience.

105 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:03:24pm

re: #98 Liberal Entity

Flounce is in the air
Everywhere I look around
Flounce is in the air
Every sight and every sound

That be death by Charles, not flounce.

106 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:03:39pm

Now Sergeant Bales has been charged with 17 counts of murder. See Fox News Commentary go wild.

107 Batman  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:03:50pm

re: #93 Big Steve

Every day I check in on this site and the first thing I do is check the Bottom 10 comments. They are far far more interesting than the Top 10. I have long wanted to make the top of the Bottom 10 and today I am close. Come on all put me over the top!

Happy to help.

108 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:04:16pm

re: #11 Big Steve

Do the calls for violence from Farrakhan and others make you cry as well?

Ok, You pulled me out of lurk mode.

When your first response is to say, 'look over there!' then it shows you have no defense for the shit being posted. If you want to even try to justify the posts on the Fox site, don't be weaselly, just come out and say that it's ok for these posts to be around because Farrakhan is a shitty person.

Next, what the hell is wrong with you? Do you think that Farrakhan even comes close to the hate and vitriol being spewed over in Foxland? If you do, you'd certainly take a moment to find examples and post them rather than this pathetic excuse of a troll you tossed out with a smug self-satisfied chuckled.

By your logic, if your friends are jumping off of cliffs, then it should be cool to do that too. Hell, my mom corrected that notion a long time ago. Why hasn't yours? :)

There's a dead teen who was shot by a man who got into his car, followed him, got out of the car, chased him down, at best provoked the kid to take a swing, then shot and killed him. (and if he did get out of the car to look street signs, he'd have road burn, not grass stains if the kid charged and assulted him as he was getting out of the car). And you want to bitch and moan about Farrakhan?

Just damn.

109 Ming  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:04:24pm

The President said it all: "I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this."

110 erik_t  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:05:23pm

Star-Tribune derp:

U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann owes more than $1 million from her failed presidential bid, recently released campaign finance records indicate.

...

More than 75 percent of Bachmann’s debt is owed to a St. Paul-based fundraising firm and her national campaign manager. She is indebted $562,681.37 to Strategic Fundraising Inc. and $193, 711.62 to Keith Nahigian of Nahigian Strategies.

How stupid would you have to be to work on six figures of commission for something so wrongheaded and doomed to failure as a Michelle Bachmann presidential bid?

111 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:06:22pm

re: #108 bloodstar

Always good to see you, lone rational libertarian in America.

112 Big Steve  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:06:45pm

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

Seriously, what the hell? What are you arguing over here?

SFZ .....happy to answer you because you are by far my favorite here. I am not flouncing. But in this case I am tired of how the media plays us for fools on these high profile crime cases and then everyone bandwagons to promote their agenda. I have two sons, I have been shot at accidentally, I hate beyond hate self-righteous vigilantes, I am puzzled why the police did not arrest this guy because that is ALWAYS the easiest, least criticism thing police can do. Everything about this case makes me sick and sad for the parents of the victim. But I also hate being played for a fool by the media and jumping a million miles up the inference ladder. I also hate that people are giving a pass to those who are using this case to brut about an advocacy for more violence particularly of a race against race type.

113 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:06:50pm

Fucking assholes. I hope nothing like this ever happens to their kids.

114 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:07:35pm

re: #108 bloodstar

Ok, You pulled me out of lurk mode.

When your first response is to say, 'look over there!' then it shows you have no defense for the shit being posted. If you want to even try to justify the posts on the Fox site, don't be weaselly, just come out and say that it's ok for these posts to be around because Farrakhan is a shitty person.

Next, what the hell is wrong with you? Do you think that Farrakhan even comes close to the hate and vitriol being spewed over in Foxland? If you do, you'd certainly take a moment to find examples and post them rather than this pathetic excuse of a troll you tossed out with a smug self-satisfied chuckled.

By your logic, if your friends are jumping off of cliffs, then it should be cool to do that too. Hell, my mom corrected that notion a long time ago. Why hasn't yours? :)

There's a dead teen who was shot by a man who got into his car, followed him, got out of the car, chased him down, at best provoked the kid to take a swing, then shot and killed him. (and if he did get out of the car to look street signs, he'd have road burn, not grass stains if the kid charged and assulted him as he was getting out of the car). And you want to bitch and moan about Farrakhan?

Just damn.

Watch your language--Big Steve is sensitive.

115 Batman  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:07:41pm

Funny thing: if a white kid was killed by a black guy and the police refused to investigate it, all of the Big Steves of the world would be the first to advocate violence. The FOX commenters would probably actually do it.

116 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:08:05pm

re: #112 Big Steve

Who is advocating more violence, please?

117 jaunte  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:08:49pm

Compare Fox News comments to quotes from an actual 2012 Presidential candidate:

@RP_Newsletter
Tweeting actual quotes from the Ron Paul Newsletters. Unless signed -RPN all tweets are direct quotes from the Ron Paul Newsletters. Scans at link below:
[Link: rpnewsletter.wordpress.com...]


[Link: twitter.com...]

118 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:09:08pm

re: #112 Big Steve

I also hate that people are giving a pass to those who are using this case to brut about an advocacy for more violence particularly of a race against race type.

What are you talking about?

119 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:09:33pm

re: #111 Obdicut

Always good to see you, lone rational libertarian in America.

Just busy job hunting, applying to grad school, and keeping myself out of the mental hospitals :)

Good to see you too Obdi, it's been a while. sadly I'll have to scoot as I'll be going to the Georgia Dome tonight to watch some March Madness!

120 jaunte  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:09:57pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

Ron Paul.

121 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:10:11pm

re: #112 Big Steve

If your point is that some black radicals are calling for violence now because of this case, you should at least have posted a link. I haven't heard of it, and it may be the media's fault or whatever, but I took your initial comment as a general reference to whatever stuff Farrakhan "and others" have said in the past.

122 McSpiff  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:10:19pm

re: #112 Big Steve

SFZ ...happy to answer you because you are by far my favorite here. I am not flouncing. But in this case I am tired of how the media plays us for fools on these high profile crime cases and then everyone bandwagons to promote their agenda. I have two sons, I have been shot at accidentally, I hate beyond hate self-righteous vigilantes, I am puzzled why the police did not arrest this guy because that is ALWAYS the easiest, least criticism thing police can do. Everything about this case makes me sick and sad for the parents of the victim. But I also hate being played for a fool by the media and jumping a million miles up the inference ladder. I also hate that people are giving a pass to those who are using this case to brut about an advocacy for more violence particularly of a race against race type.

Explain.

123 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:10:43pm

re: #93 Big Steve

Every day I check in on this site and the first thing I do is check the Bottom 10 comments. They are far far more interesting than the Top 10. I have long wanted to make the top of the Bottom 10 and today I am close. Come on all put me over the top!

No. Have an upding.

124 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:12:10pm

re: #123 Varek Raith

No. Have an upding.

With a free martyr cookie?

125 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:13:07pm

re: #124 Liberal Entity

With a free martyr cookie?

And some punch.

No, the beverage.

126 Big Steve  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:13:18pm

re: #121 Liberal Entity

If your point is that some black radicals are calling for violence now because of this case, you should at least have posted a link. I haven't heard of it, and it may be the media's fault or whatever, but I took your initial comment as a general reference to whatever stuff Farrakhan "and others" have said in the past.

Farrakahn Tweets

127 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:13:27pm

Kirk Cameron Warns 'The Anti-Christian Agenda' Wants People to think they are 'An Evolved Amoeba'

Kirk Cameron appeared on Washington Watch Weekly with Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council today to promote “Monumental,” where he praised the conservative movement and warned that Americans are forgetting the ideas of their forefathers. Just as Cameron told David Barton and Rick Green on WallBuilders Live that people must either choose whether they believe in God or put their “faith in the idea that we all from evolved from slime,” Cameron warned that “the anti-Christian agenda” wants to trick people into thinking they are “evolved amoeba” in order for them to lose their religious faith and liberty.

I don't consider Cameron or Barton to be as mentally developed as amoebas.

128 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:13:50pm

re: #124 Liberal Entity

With a free martyr cookie?

I eated that.

129 neilk  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:14:47pm

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

He isn't irrelevant, really, he's a leader and an activist. He led a big rally in Sanford yesterday, with Martin's parents, demanding justice. I would have been there. I wouldn't vote for him, but I'd march with him.

130 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:15:06pm

re: #112 Big Steve

SFZ ...happy to answer you because you are by far my favorite here. I am not flouncing. But in this case I am tired of how the media plays us for fools on these high profile crime cases and then everyone bandwagons to promote their agenda. I have two sons, I have been shot at accidentally, I hate beyond hate self-righteous vigilantes, I am puzzled why the police did not arrest this guy because that is ALWAYS the easiest, least criticism thing police can do. Everything about this case makes me sick and sad for the parents of the victim. But I also hate being played for a fool by the media and jumping a million miles up the inference ladder. I also hate that people are giving a pass to those who are using this case to brut about an advocacy for more violence particularly of a race against race type.

Why didn't you say this in the first place?! *throws arms up* Why must intelligent people troll? (and don't tell me because it's fun. whatever momentary satisfaction you might get pissing people off would be more than matched by getting people to understand your side of an argument).

This is LGF, yes, I know it doesn't have the same people or same political leanings as 2008, but you know what? It's still first and foremost and anti-idiotarian blog. I'll upding people I disagree vehemently if I think they make a good argument. Hell, people have changed my mind in here. You could make me reconsider positions if you wrote like that!

131 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:15:37pm
132 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:16:15pm

re: #126 Big Steve

Farrakahn Tweets

That looks like a recognition that something may happen more than a calling for it.

Is this what Sophia77 is supposed to cry about, before you'll allow her to cry about the Fox comments?

133 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:16:24pm

When the President said if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon Martin, that was a "Ronald Reagan" type of moment for me. And I mean that as a complement. I found it to be very moving.

134 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:16:36pm

re: #126 Big Steve

OK, well, that link should have been in that first comment. Not that I think it merits all that much attention, after having read it. It is obviously aimed at GZ, and while it's wrong, it's not something unexpected even from less moderate quarters in such a situation.

135 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:16:44pm

re: #126 Big Steve

Farrakahn Tweets

Probably would have been better if he had talked about "2nd amendment remedies" or "Watering the tree of liberty with blood". Would that have made you feel more at home rather than him warning where this injustice might lead?

136 Sionainn  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:18:12pm

re: #126 Big Steve

Farrakahn Tweets

Who knew Farrakhan was a tea party guy.
//

137 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:18:19pm

D'OH!

138 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:18:19pm

re: #126 Big Steve

That's not a call for violence. I've seen people say much the same here- if Zimmerman simply walks free, a vigilante may murder him. Which is why we need a justice system that won't let men who chase teenagers down in the street and murder them walk free.

139 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:18:25pm

Also, this:

140 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:18:50pm

re: #134 Liberal Entity

OK, well, that link should have been in that first comment. Not that I think it merits all that much attention, after having read it. It is obviously aimed at GZ, and while it's wrong, it's not something unexpected even from less moderate quarters in such a situation.

But that wouldn't have made Sophia77 feel bad, which must have been Big Steve's true goal, seeing the way he went about it.

141 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:18:58pm

re: #139 Lidane

Also, this:

Calling Hurricane Ike...

142 neilk  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:19:24pm

re: #133 _RememberTonyC

I felt like it was a personal statement to Martin's parents, who must, inevitably, be feeling shame and guilt right now. He was telling them that this didn't happen to you because you're black and worthless, that it could have happened to you even if you were the President. Touching. And pretty much the complete opposite of Fox Nation's collective statement.

143 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:19:28pm

re: #112 Big Steve

SFZ ...happy to answer you because you are by far my favorite here. I am not flouncing. But in this case I am tired of how the media plays us for fools on these high profile crime cases and then everyone bandwagons to promote their agenda. I have two sons, I have been shot at accidentally, I hate beyond hate self-righteous vigilantes, I am puzzled why the police did not arrest this guy because that is ALWAYS the easiest, least criticism thing police can do. Everything about this case makes me sick and sad for the parents of the victim. But I also hate being played for a fool by the media and jumping a million miles up the inference ladder. I also hate that people are giving a pass to those who are using this case to brut about an advocacy for more violence particularly of a race against race type.

I don't consider that I'm giving anyone a pass on anything.

I assume that you're referring to Farrakhan's most recent comments on this case, which I hadn't seen until I went hunting for them, and others may not as well. Yes, it's disgusting, it's also typical of him.

But that does not make me feel any better about the barrage of racist crap being spewed at an innocent victim on the Interwebz. And it doesn't stop at Fox. From Yahoo:

When you dress like a thug,what do you expect?

Trayvon could not bully people alive - and cannot bully people dead.

Why is it that 12.6 percent of the population commits 80+% of the crime and absorbs 90% of the medias attention?

With a name like trayvon he should have been shot!

This stupid black congressman is just typical of the reaction when a black is killed by a white. What about when whites are killed by blacks? NOTHIS SAID. Ignore this betch from Florida.

get over it there nothing to say that hasnt been said dont bite the hand that feeds you your food stamp cards will be reloaded rent paid and your pills will be filled turn your tv on the games are coming on dont worry be happy pimp some white girl smoke some crack #$%$ whitey we own you

This does make me sad, that people have so much dumbass hate for this child who did nothing to anyone.

144 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:19:28pm

If Geraldo seriously thinks his hoodie caused Martin to get shot then the idiots at Fox News are even more out of touch with America than I thought.

145 Big Steve  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:20:29pm

re: #130 bloodstar

Why didn't you say this in the first place?!

I know it doesn't have the same people or same political leanings as 2008,

Because I am at work and people come in all the time and make me make pesky decision so I don't always have time.

In 2008 I would roundly get down dinged here because I was considered too liberal. Mandy Manners used to routinely threaten to beat me with her "clue by four."

146 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:20:33pm

re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist

This does make me sad, that people have so much dumbass hate for this child who did nothing to anyone.

Well said, well said.

147 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:20:43pm

re: #138 Obdicut

That's not a call for violence. I've seen people say much the same here- if Zimmerman simply walks free, a vigilante may murder him. Which is why we need a justice system that won't let men who chase teenagers down in the street and murder them walk free.

I think there's obvious glee in Farrakhan's tweet, it's not a mere statement of fact. But then... I posted something like that myself.

148 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:21:37pm

re: #145 Big Steve

Because I am at work and people come in all the time and make me make pesky decision so I don't always have time.

In 2008 I would roundly get down dinged here because I was considered too liberal. Mandy Manners used to routinely threaten to beat me with her "clue by four."

So you're taking out on Sophia77?

That makes sense.

Not.

149 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:22:05pm

re: #116 Obdicut

Who is advocating more violence, please?

I think we're talking about this Farrakhan tweet:

“Where there is no justice, there will be no peace. Soon the law of retaliation may very well be applied."

We can now argue until the sun goes down about whether he's calling for violence there, or 'warning of the ineveitable storm'.

150 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:22:45pm

re: #126 Big Steve

Farrakahn Tweets

You know, you could have just said.

151 Big Steve  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:22:48pm

re: #140 wrenchwench

But that wouldn't have made Sophia77 feel bad, which must have been Big Steve's true goal, seeing the way he went about it.

thanks....won't have to visit a shrink any time soon....I can just get you to tell me what I am thinking.

152 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:23:06pm

re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist

I think we're talking about this Farrakhan tweet:

“Where there is no justice, there will be no peace. Soon the law of retaliation may very well be applied."

We can now argue until the sun goes down about whether he's calling for violence there, or 'warning of the ineveitable storm'.

As long as we deal with that before dealing with Fox comments.

For Steve's sake.

153 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:23:28pm

re: #147 Liberal Entity

I think there's obvious glee in Farrakhan's tweet, it's not a mere statement of fact. But then... I posted something like that myself.

Sure, sure. I think Farrakhan likes thinking about people being afraid of being killed in retaliation. But I don't think he'd like an actual act of retaliation. Anyway, I'm happy to condemn Farrakhan all the live-long day, but if Zimmerman had been arrested in the way he ought to have been, Farrakhan would have a lot less he could say right now.

154 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:24:02pm

re: #153 Obdicut

Sure, sure. I think Farrakhan likes thinking about people being afraid of being killed in retaliation. But I don't think he'd like an actual act of retaliation. Anyway, I'm happy to condemn Farrakhan all the live-long day, but if Zimmerman had been arrested in the way he ought to have been, Farrakhan would have a lot less he could say right now.

This.

155 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:24:13pm

re: #129 neilk

He isn't irrelevant, really, he's a leader and an activist. He led a big rally in Sanford yesterday, with Martin's parents, demanding justice. I would have been there. I wouldn't vote for him, but I'd march with him.

I'd go to the rally, but I'd stay the fuck away from Al Sharpton.

156 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:24:25pm

re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist

Nobody but he knows. It's certainly not the most helpful thing to state.

157 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:24:30pm

re: #151 Big Steve

thanks...won't have to visit a shrink any time soon...I can just get you to tell me what I am thinking.

Don't make me your excuse for not going to a shrink.

And they aren't supposed to tell you what you're thinking, as far as I know.

You want a mind reader for that.

I'm just making observations.

158 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:24:53pm

re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist

I think we're talking about this Farrakhan tweet:

“Where there is no justice, there will be no peace. Soon the law of retaliation may very well be applied."

We can now argue until the sun goes down about whether he's calling for violence there, or 'warning of the ineveitable storm'.

He's a man with a certain amount of power. Coming from him it is reasonable to understand this as a threat. "You wouldn't want anything happen to this here fine establishment, now, would you?"

But frankly, looking at whom this is aimed at I can't muster up much outrage.

159 McSpiff  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:25:14pm

re: #145 Big Steve

2008? 4 years ago? Christ, let it go man. Its blog. Mandy can't hurt you anymore. Go have a good cry and try posting again.

160 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:26:08pm

re: #153 Obdicut

Anyway, I'm happy to condemn Farrakhan all the live-long day, but if Zimmerman had been arrested in the way he ought to have been, Farrakhan would have a lot less he could say right now.

YES. THIS.

If the police had done their goddamn jobs from the start, Farrakhan and Sharpton would have a lot less to say right now. The fact that the cops so thoroughly fucked things up from the beginning is what is driving the very real outrage now.

161 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:26:13pm

Charles. I think you wanted to link to this page: Pres. Obama: Teen Shooting Death a 'Tragedy,' If I Had a Son He'd 'Look Like Trayvon'

The one you linked is about something else.

And, they closed the comments for the link I included here.

162 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:26:24pm

re: #138 Obdicut

That's not a call for violence. I've seen people say much the same here- if Zimmerman simply walks free, a vigilante may murder him. Which is why we need a justice system that won't let men who chase teenagers down in the street and murder them walk free.

I seriously doubt that anything extrajudicial will happen to Zimmerman, and I've said why.

And I don't think Farrakhan is warning, so much as trying to sound ominous and cool, and most of all, important. Shit-disturber that he is.

(Me, not inclined to interpret anything Farrakhan says favorably.)

163 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:26:58pm

re: #145 Big Steve

Because I am at work and people come in all the time and make me make pesky decision so I don't always have time.

In 2008 I would roundly get down dinged here because I was considered too liberal. Mandy Manners used to routinely threaten to beat me with her "clue by four."

She told me to piss up a rope on one occasion and that I was stalking her on another.
Big whoop.
:)

164 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:27:27pm

re: #145 Big Steve

Because I am at work and people come in all the time and make me make pesky decision so I don't always have time.

In 2008 I would roundly get down dinged here because I was considered too liberal. Mandy Manners used to routinely threaten to beat me with her "clue by four."

Well, hell, dude. Next time, say, "Farrakhan said this, and that also pissed me off."

165 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:27:43pm

OK, how does one piss up a rope? Seriously. Throw me a freaking bone here.

166 erik_t  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:27:51pm

re: #160 Lidane

YES. THIS.

If the police had done their goddamn jobs from the start, Farrakhan and Sharpton would have a lot less to say right now. The fact that the cops so thoroughly fucked things up from the beginning is what is driving the very real outrage now.

I will extend to Farrakhan and Sharpton the consideration that I think they'd prefer to have no reason or opportunity to say anything at all about black teenagers being shot by the Neighborhood Watch Posse.

167 Big Steve  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:27:56pm

For the record.....the FOX comments literally make me ill. I never ever go to the FOX site. The anonymity of the internet brings out the worst in some. When I read those comments that contain purposeful misspellings of offensive terms, I just picture the person making it sitting in church on Sunday feeling all good about themselves and God thinking; "smile all you want, you can't hide your IP address from my little book."

168 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:28:28pm

re: #159 McSpiff

2008? 4 years ago? Christ, let it go man. Its blog. Mandy can't hurt you anymore. Go have a good cry and try posting again.

"He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor, bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."

Oh wait, I forgot.

Go piss up a rope.

169 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:28:31pm

re: #165 Liberal Entity

OK, how does one piss up a rope? Seriously. Throw me a freaking bone here.

[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]

170 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:28:32pm

re: #153 Obdicut

Sure, sure. I think Farrakhan likes thinking about people being afraid of being killed in retaliation. But I don't think he'd like an actual act of retaliation. Anyway, I'm happy to condemn Farrakhan all the live-long day, but if Zimmerman had been arrested in the way he ought to have been, Farrakhan would have a lot less he could say right now.

Oh, he'd find something.

171 efuseakay  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:28:50pm

re: #1 Lidane

There is none. These are Librul plants!!! /////

172 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:29:09pm

re: #142 neilk

I felt like it was a personal statement to Martin's parents, who must, inevitably, be feeling shame and guilt right now. He was telling them that this didn't happen to you because you're black and worthless, that it could have happened to you even if you were the President. Touching. And pretty much the complete opposite of Fox Nation's collective statement.

I would hope the parents aren't feeling shame. They appear to be good people. Guilt I could see because they were unable to protect their son from a cruel fate. But what the President said goes far beyond comforting a grieving family. It is a message to all of us, but many will not want to hear it. Trayvon was a good boy. He was a son of America. He was one of us. We all should miss him.

173 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:29:16pm

re: #167 Big Steve

For the record...the FOX comments literally make me ill. I never ever go to the FOX site. The anonymity of the internet brings out the worst in some. When I read those comments that contain purposeful misspellings of offensive terms, I just picture the person making it sitting in church on Sunday feeling all good about themselves and God thinking; "smile all you want, you can't hide your IP address from my little book."

OK, I gave you an upding.

Now I'm going outside for a few minutes. It's so nice out, I don't have to put my hood up.

174 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:29:23pm

re: #163 Varek Raith

She told me to piss up a rope on one occasion and that I was stalking her on another.
Big whoop.
:)

I think she was mean to anyone to the left of her. She accused me of being homophobic once when I made a criticism of Palin and Dr. Laura once. It was bizarre.

175 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:30:05pm

re: #166 erik_t

I will extend to Farrakhan and Sharpton the consideration that I think they'd prefer to have no reason or opportunity to say anything at all about black teenagers being shot by the Neighborhood Watch Posse.

That too. I don't think they'd want to be talking about this at all. In a perfect world, Trayvon Martin would have gotten home from the store, finished watching sports with his dad, and gone on with his life.

176 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:30:24pm

re: #165 Liberal Entity

OK, how does one piss up a rope? Seriously. Throw me a freaking bone here.

I always assumed it worked like a wick.

177 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:30:28pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

I think she was mean to anyone to the left of her. She accused me of being homophobic once when I made a criticism of Palin and Dr. Laura once. It was bizarre.

Go crap on a fly...?

178 Sionainn  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:30:44pm

re: #161 Gus

Charles. I think you wanted to link to this page: Pres. Obama: Teen Shooting Death a 'Tragedy,' If I Had a Son He'd 'Look Like Trayvon'

The one you linked is about something else.

And, they closed the comments for the link I included here.

Here's the Fox News story on their front page. The comments are still open.

179 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:30:55pm

re: #177 Varek Raith

Go crap on a fly...?

Heh, I like that one.

180 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:31:46pm

re: #126 Big Steve

Farrakahn Tweets

I'm no fan of Louis Farrakhan (I have to say that first or idiots will say I'm now a "Farrakhan supporter") but I don't see any call for racial violence in those tweets.

And this is what happens when you let sites like Glenn Beck's "The Blaze" do your thinking for you.

181 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:32:58pm

I think the people who comment on Fox News stories have to be some of the most racially repressed sobs out there. Cowards who sit behind a keyboard and say nasty shit about minorities who wouldn't dare say those words in person. Why? Because if they did, they would probably get their sorry asses kicked.

182 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:33:13pm

re: #158 Liberal Entity

He's a man with a certain amount of power. Coming from him it is reasonable to understand this as a threat. "You wouldn't want anything happen to this here fine establishment, now, would you?"

But frankly, looking at whom this is aimed at I can't muster up much outrage.

Actually, I can. First, he's probably not talking about a direct attack on Zimmerman, but promising more civil unrest, which is mostly going to mean more property damage, and more kids arrested 'supporting a cause', to no good effect.

Second, Farrakhan is someone with some influence. If some young black man goes and guns down Zimmerman even slightly under that influence...

I know he won't have shit to say to Zimmerman's family, but what will he say to the mother of the man who's going to go up for murder, SYG or no SYG?

This is all pretty far-fetched. I think Farrakhan's flapping his mouth to hear himself talk. But it's irresponsible as hell.

183 jaunte  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:33:53pm

Today's Fox News email still pushing this story from central Florida
Caught on Tape: Video Captures Vicious Beating in Convenience Store Robbery:

One comment from an aspiring vigilante:

Tmccage43
This is why I carry a concelled weapon, the prep would be dead today

184 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:34:13pm

Damn!

185 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:34:57pm

re: #166 erik_t

I will extend to Farrakhan and Sharpton the consideration that I think they'd prefer to have no reason or opportunity to say anything at all about black teenagers being shot by the Neighborhood Watch Posse.

And in that, I suppose I have more in common with their attention-whoring, anti-Semitic selves than I do with the dregs of the Fox Commentariat.

Can I check behind Curtain Number Three real quick?

186 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:35:02pm

re: #184 Varek Raith

What's there? Can't watch at the moment.

187 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:35:37pm

Cue the wingnut cries of "not supporting the troops" in 3...2...1...

Army Staff Sgt. Robert Bales could be sentenced to death if convicted on any of the 17 counts of murder filed against him Friday for allegedly embarking on a bloody shooting rampage in Afghan villages, the U.S. military said.

In addition to the charges accusing him of murder "with premeditation," the 38-year-old faces six counts of assault and attempted murder.

Authorities say Bales left a remote outpost in Kandahar province's Panjwai district early March 11 and went house-to-house, gunning down villagers.
U.S. and Afghan officials initially said 16 people, including nine children, died in those attacks. The counts indicate that one more person died, though Afghan government officials in Kabul have they have no record of another death.

Col. Gary Kolb, a spokesman with the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force, said only that the investigators assigned to the case felt they had enough evidence to charge Bales with 17 counts of murder. There was no indication as to where the other fatality came from, though it was not related to a pregnant woman, as has been rumored.

Of the six people wounded in the attack, two have been released from a hospital, said Ahmad Javed Faisal, a Kandahar provincial government spokesman.

At the minimum, Bales would be sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole if he's convicted on even one of the 17 murder charges. At the maximum, he could face the death penalty.

188 Big Steve  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:35:42pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

I'm no fan of Louis Farrakhan (I have to say that first or idiots will say I'm now a "Farrakhan supporter") but I don't see any call for racial violence in those tweets.

And this is what happens when you let sites like Glenn Beck's "The Blaze" do your thinking for you.

189 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:35:46pm

re: #186 Liberal Entity

What's there? Can't watch at the moment.

Maddow going after Romney on his lies.
Took him apart.

190 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:35:54pm

re: #183 jaunte

Today's Fox News email still pushing this story from central Florida
Caught on Tape: Video Captures Vicious Beating in Convenience Store Robbery:

One comment from an aspiring vigilante:

Why does he hate preppies? He actually should carry a spell-checker.

191 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:35:58pm

re: #183 jaunte

Today's Fox News email still pushing this story from central Florida
Caught on Tape: Video Captures Vicious Beating in Convenience Store Robbery:

One comment from an aspiring vigilante:

What does this have to do with the subject at hand? You wouldn't shoot someone like that if you could under the circumstances?

192 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:37:02pm

re: #189 Varek Raith

Maddow going after Romney on his lies.
Took him apart.

I hope she brought coffee. Mitt's whole campaign is a lie.

193 jaunte  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:37:13pm

re: #191 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

What does this have to do with the subject at hand?

1. Fox News
2. Central Florida
3. Dangerous black man
4. Fear is 'justified'

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:37:51pm

From Yahoo, Brian from Boca Raton explains:

yes lets play the raciest card that will work..( Bull Crap ) the law is the law, and will not be changed,

we the people of Florida are tired of people attacking us and that's why we have this law in our state .we will not tolerate it, and this is what happens in our great state..

you attack an armed citizen, and we can blow you away, no questions ask
so you better think twice about even making a fist in this state or provoking a fight or you die

better to walk away as you don't know who is carrying a gun... ..

195 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:38:39pm

re: #193 jaunte

1. Fox News
2. Central Florida
3. Dangerous black man
4. Fear is 'justified'

Also, hoodies! If there are hoodies anywhere in that video, Geraldo will flip his shit.

196 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:39:00pm

re: #193 jaunte

1. Fox News
2. Central Florida
3. Dangerous black man
4. Fear is 'justified'

If Fox are presenting it as related in any way, I agree, otherwise not relevant...

197 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:39:23pm

re: #194 SanFranciscoZionist

From Yahoo, Brian from Boca Raton explains:

yes lets play the raciest card that will work..( Bull Crap ) the law is the law, and will not be changed,

we the people of Florida are tired of people attacking us and that's why we have this law in our state .we will not tolerate it, and this is what happens in our great state..

you attack an armed citizen, and we can blow you away, no questions ask
so you better think twice about even making a fist in this state or provoking a fight or you die

better to walk away as you don't know who is carrying a gun... ..

Brian's campaign for chairman of the Boca Raton Tourist Council is in trouble.

198 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:39:31pm

More Yahoos at Yahoo:

Zimmerman is usually a jewish name. So the main reason he isn't under arrest he because he is one of the chosen ones. Of course the media and community leaders will say that a white man got away with murdering a black man. But jews are not white.
Also look up George Zimmerman. You can tell he isn't white, in fact he looks like a Mestizo or Mulatto. In fact some of the reports says he is Hispanic.
To all the black people reading this. Whites are not guilty here. The zionist media is using this to push blacks and whites to kill each other.

199 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:40:16pm

re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist

More Yahoos at Yahoo:

Zimmerman is usually a jewish name. So the main reason he isn't under arrest he because he is one of the chosen ones. Of course the media and community leaders will say that a white man got away with murdering a black man. But jews are not white.
Also look up George Zimmerman. You can tell he isn't white, in fact he looks like a Mestizo or Mulatto. In fact some of the reports says he is Hispanic.
To all the black people reading this. Whites are not guilty here. The zionist media is using this to push blacks and whites to kill each other.

The Zionists of course.

200 jaunte  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:40:33pm

re: #196 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

I find it related that they feature a local "black man doing crime" story from close to Sanford FL in their national promotional email.

201 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:40:41pm

re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist

More Yahoos at Yahoo:

Zimmerman is usually a jewish name. So the main reason he isn't under arrest he because he is one of the chosen ones. Of course the media and community leaders will say that a white man got away with murdering a black man. But jews are not white.
Also look up George Zimmerman. You can tell he isn't white, in fact he looks like a Mestizo or Mulatto. In fact some of the reports says he is Hispanic.
To all the black people reading this. Whites are not guilty here. The zionist media is using this to push blacks and whites to kill each other.

Oh geez.

202 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:40:51pm

re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist

More Yahoos at Yahoo:

Zimmerman is usually a jewish name. So the main reason he isn't under arrest he because he is one of the chosen ones. Of course the media and community leaders will say that a white man got away with murdering a black man. But jews are not white.
Also look up George Zimmerman. You can tell he isn't white, in fact he looks like a Mestizo or Mulatto. In fact some of the reports says he is Hispanic.
To all the black people reading this. Whites are not guilty here. The zionist media is using this to push blacks and whites to kill each other.

Yahoo nutters are usually anti-Jewish racists, Fox nutters are usually anti-Black racists. Of course one can frequently be both.

203 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:40:56pm

However, Yahoo contains some hope. Justaguy writes:

I own the following weapons:
2 AR-15's
1 Sub Compact USP 40
1 XDM 40
1 Remington 870
1 AK-47
1 Benelli Supernova

Still despite all of that what I really want to own is a bag of skittles. A bag of skittles is a weapon of firepower that should be restricted to military use only. This guy who shot this kid was outgunned as he did not have a bag of skittles.

204 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:41:10pm

re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist

The blood libel can take the strangest forms.

205 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:41:35pm

re: #194 SanFranciscoZionist

What a wonderful society we're creating. A nation of paranoid people in fear of other being armed and being shot at for anything.

206 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:41:57pm

What a buncha loons. It kind of scares me to think that there are people like this really out there but I think the vast majority of them are internet cowards talking a tough game behind a desk.

207 dragonfire1981  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:43:01pm

Suddenly I am rethinking that vacation to Florida later this year...

208 iossarian  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:43:10pm

re: #205 Gus

What a wonderful society we're creating. A nation of paranoid people in fear of other being armed and being shot at for anything.

When you legalize guns, only your in-laws have guns.

209 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:43:21pm

re: #205 Gus

What a wonderful society we're creating. A nation of paranoid people in fear of other being armed and being shot at for anything.

Yeah a bunch of people who don't seem to realize death is final. If someone punched me, yeah I'd defend myself but shoot them? I really hate the vigilante mindset that exists in our society. Life isn't a goddamn video game.

210 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:43:23pm

re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist

More Yahoos at Yahoo:

Zimmerman is usually a jewish name. So the main reason he isn't under arrest he because he is one of the chosen ones. Of course the media and community leaders will say that a white man got away with murdering a black man. But jews are not white.
Also look up George Zimmerman. You can tell he isn't white, in fact he looks like a Mestizo or Mulatto. In fact some of the reports says he is Hispanic.
To all the black people reading this. Whites are not guilty here. The zionist media is using this to push blacks and whites to kill each other.

The funny thing is that your Yahoo yahoo could probably get Farrakhan to agree with him.

211 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:43:27pm

One last idiot from Yahoo:

Why is it always about race? He did not belong there, he ran. Most crime in white neighborhoods happen by blacks.Do you have to wait to be shot to shoot back? I think not, I am sorry the young man died, but it's not always about race.

212 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:44:43pm

re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist

One last idiot from Yahoo:

Why is it always about race? He did not belong there, he ran. Most crime in white neighborhoods happen by blacks.Do you have to wait to be shot to shoot back? I think not, I am sorry the young man died, but it's not always about race.

This is wonderful on so many levels... and I'm not using "wonderful" positively here.

213 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:45:45pm

re: #212 Liberal Entity

This is wonderful on so many levels... and I'm not using "wonderful" positively here.

The 'Shit Happens' defense.

214 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:45:49pm

re: #209 HappyWarrior

Yeah a bunch of people who don't seem to realize death is final. If someone punched me, yeah I'd defend myself but shoot them? I really hate the vigilante mindset that exists in our society. Life isn't a goddamn video game.

Or say some road rage incident. Some guy comes up to your car and then what? Shoot him? Seriously?

215 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:45:53pm

OK, now I took a look at the Farrakhan tweets quoted by The Blaze, in an absolutely blatant attempt at race-baiting. Here are some of the ones they want their goonish audience to believe are outrageous:

Prepare your children not to be beggars of jobs.

[...]

As long as we are consumers and employees, our future is in the hand of somebody else.

[...]

We have to own land. You cannot become a producer of what you need to extend your life without land.

[...]

No one respects a beggar. The time has now arrived where you must beg no man. You must get up and do it for yourself.

[...]

Think. Reflect. Then get up and do something for self or suffer the consequences.

Why are these comments supposed to be so outrageously racist again?

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:46:20pm

re: #210 Decatur Deb

The funny thing is that your Yahoo yahoo could probably get Farrakhan to agree with him.

I'm pretty sure that Farrakhan thinks Jews are white.

Jeffries says we're the iciest of the ice people.

217 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:46:42pm

re: #214 Gus

Or say some road rage incident. Some guy comes up to your car and then what? Shoot him? Seriously?

Yeah no kidding. I am not anti gun but the way people act about their guns makes me really glad my parents didn't raise me with them.

218 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:47:05pm

PLEASE NOTE! I'm no fan of Louis Farrakhan.

219 iossarian  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:47:29pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

OK, now I took a look at the Farrakhan tweets quoted by The Blaze, in an absolutely blatant attempt at race-baiting. Here are some of the ones they want their goonish audience to believe are outrageous:

Why are these comments supposed to be so outrageously racist again?

Uppity.

220 Amory Blaine  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:47:34pm

I share a country with them, but I break no bread with conservatives.

221 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:48:09pm

re: #216 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm pretty sure that Farrakhan thinks Jews are white.

Jeffries says we're the iciest of the ice people.

Should have highlighted your comment. Referring to the Zionist plot shtick.

222 zora  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:48:23pm

re: #75 Liberal Entity

I know you didn't ask me, but anyway - KT writes some pretty lucid stuff from to time. Writing him off as a pure troll would be a mistake.

then I don't know what a troll is.

223 erik_t  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:48:39pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

PLEASE NOTE! I'm no fan of Louis Farrakhan.

Karl Rove just posted on Twitter: "RT @Lizardoid: 'PLEASE NOTE! I'm ... fan of Louis Farrakhan."

(did I do the twitters right? I don't speak the twitters.)

224 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:48:53pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

PLEASE NOTE! I'm no fan of Louis Farrakhan.

OK, not a fan, but surely at least a secret admirer?

225 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:48:54pm

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Yeah no kidding. I am not anti gun but the way people act about their guns makes me really glad my parents didn't raise me with them.

It's a nightmare scenario. Then add the fact that many of these goons want to allow CCWs in bars. Some towns want to enforce a gun ownership for all citizens law in places.

226 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:49:21pm

re: #220 Amory Blaine

I share a country with them, but I break no bread with conservatives.

I do all the time. How else can we corrupt them?

227 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:50:00pm

re: #225 Gus

It's a nightmare scenario. Then add the fact that many of these goons want to allow CCWs in bars. Some towns want to enforce a gun ownership for all citizens law in places.

Yeah I've argued against CCW in bars on numerous occasions. A bunch of people drinking and guns, yeah that's not a recipe for disaster at all.//

228 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:51:06pm

re: #222 zora

then I don't know what a troll is.

I said not a "pure" troll. He is trolling big time, but from time to time his comments are reasonable to the point of where I'm asking - why the f can't there be more of this?

229 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:51:44pm

Saw this on facebook:
Image: 559518_526276158005_180400524_30367291_1057456311_n.jpg
Makes me very angry.

230 jaunte  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:51:46pm

re: #225 Gus

Maybe the manufacturers would like to broaden the base of gun ownership:
[Link: motherjones.com...]

231 M. Dubious  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:53:42pm

re: #93 Big Steve

Every day I check in on this site and the first thing I do is check the Bottom 10 comments. They are far far more interesting than the Top 10. I have long wanted to make the top of the Bottom 10 and today I am close. Come on all put me over the top!

I check out the bottom ten to keep up with killgore. You're trying to mess with my system.

232 Big Steve  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:55:42pm

re: #231 M. Dubious

I check out the bottom ten to keep up with killgore.

Me too

233 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:56:38pm

Update: Total number of visits from the link at Breitbart.com: 51.

234 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:56:46pm

re: #229 HappyWarrior

Saw this on facebook:
Image: 559518_526276158005_180400524_30367291_1057456311_n.jpg
Makes me very angry.

Which reminds me. RS McCain on the lynching of Emmett Till:

[Link: www.eschatonblog.com...]

[W]hatever happened in that grocery store, it was something more than Till merely "whistling at a white woman." Please note that the store was also the home of Bryant's family.

[...]

He had gone into the Bryants' place of business -- into their family home, no less -- and insulted the wife of the proprietor, had made "lewd advances," as Carolyn Bryant testified under oath, and then boasted about this to all his friends.

Roy Bryant's response to this provocation was brutal and criminal, certainly. Whatever the opposite of "railroaded" might be, that would be a fair description of the acquittal of Bryant and Milam. But in what sense can Emmett Till's mother justify describing her son as "a sacrifical lamb"? And, in the larger view, how has Emmett Till come to be a demigod in the civil rights pantheon? What perverted sort of "social justice" includes the right to enter a man's home and insult his wife?

[...]

I am not justifying anything. I was trying to make two major points:

1. Till was not killed merely for "whistling at a white woman." That phrase has attached itself to Till's name, suggesting that he was killed as the result of some casual encounter on the street -- which is simply not true.

2. Till's killers were the husband and brother-in-law of the woman whom Till insulted. It wasn't the Klan. It wasn't a racist mob. It wasn't some evil redneck sheriff. This was a personal crime, rather than a public crime.

To repeat what I have said in earlier posts: Emmett Till was not killed at random for the crime of being black. He was not hanged on the public square for advocating nonviolent social change. He was kidnapped and murdered by two men who felt that he had personally wronged them.
[...]

Was Emmett Till wrongly murdered? Of course. But thousands of Americans are murdered every year. Being a victim of murder, however, does not qualify one for sainthood.

[...]

Was Till's killing racially motivated? Certainly, at least in part -- just as Till's initial action toward Carolyn Bryant was racially motivated. Till thought he could impress his relatives and friends by defying the customs of rural Mississippi. He succeeded too well. Roy Bryant returned home to find that Till's insulting behavior toward his wife was the talk of the community. Not merely was this a challenge to Bryant's personal honor, but to the peculiar community standards of that place and time. Roy Bryant either had to do something about Till, or become a pariah and/or a laughingstock in his community.

Now, it is likely that no would wish to return to the community standards and customs that apertained in rural Mississippi in 1955, when the Bryant brothers could kill Emmett Till and be judged not guilty by a jury of their peers. But Emmett Till's insult to Carolyn Bryant was a personal wrong, and the murder of Emmett Till was a very personal murder. He was not a martyr for "civil rights," unless you consider it a civil right to insult women.

Sounds familiar?

235 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:58:55pm

re: #234 Liberal Entity

Which reminds me. RS McCain on the lynching of Emmett Till:

Sounds familiar?

Very. But what does one realistically expect from a man who openly admires Calhoun?

236 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 12:59:56pm

re: #228 Liberal Entity

I said not a "pure" troll. He is trolling big time, but from time to time his comments are reasonable to the point of where I'm asking - why the f can't there be more of this?

I can't speak for others, but the vibe on this board is different than it was a few years ago. Some of the old timers tend to be more conservative than those who joined in the last 3-4 years. So while the general tone of the discussions here have moved to the left, there are still people around who would not buy into the "nearly all republicans are wingnuts" attitude that has mostly taken root here. KT is no troll. He has contributed much to the forum over the years. His voice matters too. And the newer Lizards should be GLAD there are voices like KT who still are heard here. Otherwise, you have an echo chamber .... which I hope this board NEVER becomes.

237 Shvaughn  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:02:16pm

re: #79 Madge

re: #79 Madge

And there are worlds of difference between Sharpton and Farrahkan. Their styles are nothing alike nor their opinions from what I've seen.

But they're black men, which is why racists like the guy at Fox News (or the trolls on this thread) tie them together with Jeremiah Wright and Barack Obama.

238 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:03:01pm

re: #236 _RememberTonyC

Hey, I agree there should be sane conservatives and moderates here. The fact that KT is trolling is quite aside from that. I'd never say that you're trolling, and you're more conservative than KT.

239 erik_t  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:04:18pm

re: #236 _RememberTonyC

I can't speak for others, but the vibe on this board is different than it was a few years ago. Some of the old timers tend to be more conservative than those who joined in the last 3-4 years. So while the general tone of the discussions here have moved to the left, there are still people around who would not buy into the "nearly all republicans are wingnuts" attitude that has mostly taken root here. KT is no troll. He has contributed much to the forum over the years. His voice matters too. And the newer Lizards should be GLAD there are voices like KT who still are heard here. Otherwise, you have an echo chamber ... which I hope this board NEVER becomes.

There is, again, a tense issue. KT has contributed a great deal even over the relatively short timespan I've been here, but since the early phases of OWS the signal-to-noise ratio has indisputably plummeted.

240 iossarian  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:05:04pm

re: #236 _RememberTonyC

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I feel bad for "Eisenhower Republicans". The GOP has nothing for those people any more.

It sucks that the entire leadership of that party is now 100% anti-woman, anti-minority, anti-science, batshit insane, but believe me it sucks even more for those of us who are able to see that and denounce it than for the saps who continue to blindly vote Republican in the delusion that there are any moderates left.

241 Amory Blaine  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:05:42pm

Where's my motherfucking iced tea?!!?!!

242 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:08:22pm

re: #240 iossarian

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I feel bad for "Eisenhower Republicans". The GOP has nothing for those people any more.

It sucks that the entire leadership of that party is now 100% anti-woman, anti-minority, anti-science, batshit insane, but believe me it sucks even more for those of us who are able to see that and denounce it than for the saps who continue to blindly vote Republican in the delusion that there are any moderates left.

What frustrates me is witnessing my own state. When I was growing up in the 90's, we had a moderate Republican congressman in Tom Davis, who teaches a class at my alma mater and all my friends in the government program there liberal and conservative both agree not only is he a great guy but an intellectual who knows what he's talking about. And we had John Warner who I respected greatly as a Senator. Now they've been replaced with Democrats but I would love to see a moderate or even a conservativism that isn't in love with bashing gays for votes or guilt tripping women on abortion. I think McCain and Romney both could have been good voices for moderate conservatism but both chose to sell out for votes and I think that's a shame.

243 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:08:44pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

He often inflames racial tensions is cases like this. I think he's a poor continuation of MLK's legacy.

WTF? "Inflames" racial tensions?

Would that be that he makes racist whites more racist, or that he makes blacks more likely to feel that they are the victim of racism?

What is that even supposed to mean?

244 M. Dubious  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:09:30pm

re: #240 iossarian

Yes, but they are for guns, white men and homecooked meals. Just throwing it in there for balance.

245 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:10:02pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

He often inflames racial tensions is cases like this. I think he's a poor continuation of MLK's legacy.

I was disgusted by this racist thread at Fox News until I realized that it only happened because Sharpton "inflamed" those racists.

246 Big Steve  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:10:19pm

re: #240 iossarian

the delusion that there are any moderates left.

At the risk of starting another food fight or being accused of being a magic balance fairy.....this is very true of the main stream republican party which seriously kowtow's to the religious right. On the other hand it is equally difficult for a democrat to come out against increased taxes or debt reduction without suffering the same treatment from their party.

247 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:10:35pm

the best Republican leaders in history IMO come from the party's moderate wing: T. Roosevelt, Lincoln, Eisenhower, etc.

248 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:12:00pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

I'm not a big crier but I'm not happy with Farakahn and Sharpton either. Same goes for the chick on MSNBC who blamed Rush. What makes tragedies like this even more tragic is not enough people are really concerned with the actual tragedy instead of advancing their personal agendas. Most people mean well and see the world through their own lens. I wish there was more focus on the laws and actual circumstances of the tragedy rather the the usual finger pointing and exploitation of a tragic death.

Serious question. Is the irony of you writing that, after your "concern" about OWS in service of your personal agenda, completely lost on you?

249 Big Steve  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:12:09pm

re: #247 HappyWarrior

the best Republican leaders in history IMO come from the party's moderate wing: T. Roosevelt, Lincoln, Eisenhower, etc.

Oddly today Reagan would have been considered a moderate republican.

250 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:12:15pm

Trolling is trying to get a rise out of people. It's not a partisan thing.

251 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:12:45pm

re: #246 Big Steve

At the risk of starting another food fight or being accused of being a magic balance fairy...this is very true of the main stream republican party which seriously kowtow's to the religious right. On the other hand it is equally difficult for a democrat to come out against increased taxes or debt reduction without suffering the same treatment from their party.

they can and they have. they ceratily face opposition from the party, but they do not get shouted down, run out of the party and threatened with retaliation.

252 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:13:05pm

re: #249 Big Steve

Oddly today Reagan would have been considered a moderate republican.

Yeah he would. Bush I too.

253 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:13:06pm

re: #250 Liberal Entity

Trolling is trying to get a rise out of people. It's not a partisan thing.

it's an asshole thing.

254 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:13:46pm

re: #249 Big Steve

Oddly today Reagan would have been considered a moderate republican.

Ann Coulter is already considered a moderate by the freeper base.

255 erik_t  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:13:52pm

re: #246 Big Steve

On the other hand it is equally difficult for a democrat to come out against increased taxes or debt reduction without suffering the same treatment from their party.

Seeing as Obama has lowered taxes for most of us yet seems to be at least moderately popular among Democrats, I have to reject your equivocation as patently false.

256 Amory Blaine  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:14:45pm

re: #255 erik_t

Right. That's a laughable premise.

257 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:15:24pm

re: #255 erik_t

Seeing as Obama has lowered taxes for most of us yet seems to be at least moderately popular among Democrats, I have to reject your equivocation as patently false.

Yeah there are a lot of Democrats that are for lower taxes that are popular. Clinton is still hugely popular with the base too.

258 Big Steve  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:16:25pm

re: #254 Liberal Entity

Ann Coulter is already considered a moderate by the freeper base.

Ann Coulter??? I thought we were talking humans only!

259 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:17:22pm

re: #254 Liberal Entity

Ann Coulter is already considered a moderate by the freeper base.

Ann doesn't hate gays enough, not a true conservative! The problem with modern conservatism to me is it seems that it's not really even conservative. It's more reactionary. I read about groups like the AFA being outraged by a 1972 Supreme Court decision making it legal to sell birth control to unmarried couples and I just wonder where they're going with this. That and all the regulations on a right to choose that have happened since they've gotten majorities in state legislatures.

260 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:17:35pm

re: #254 Liberal Entity

Ann Coulter is already considered a moderate by the freeper base.

she has actually come out against some of the more extreme GOP wingnuttery

261 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:17:41pm

re: #258 Big Steve

Ann Coulter??? I thought we were talking humans only!

Yes, she's been excommunicated by WND for not hatin' on gays enough, and at the freerepublic you will find people calling her a moderate for this and for her support of Romney.

262 Shvaughn  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:18:21pm

re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist

I think we're talking about this Farrakhan tweet:

“Where there is no justice, there will be no peace. Soon the law of retaliation may very well be applied."

We can now argue until the sun goes down about whether he's calling for violence there, or 'warning of the ineveitable storm'.

We can also look at his other tweets, too, which followed the 3 quoted at Glenn Beck's site:

Read my column "Justifiable Homicide: Black Youth In Peril" in this week's edition of @TheFinalCall [Link: bit.ly...]

The fruit of justice is peace. But justice is a principle of fair dealing.

When we fail to do justice, we literally set up conditions that destroy peace.

I'm not saying that you have to form the same opinion as me on whether he's calling for violence, but I think we need to not let Glenn Beck's web site set the terms of this discussion.

263 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:19:06pm

re: #260 Second Amendment Renegation

Most of this is purely tactical, like her opposition to birtherism.

264 boredtechindenver  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:19:11pm

re: #88 Liberal Entity

It's still there. From time to time.

well, i don't feel like sorting through everything from him for nuggets of wisdom any longer, so the Nom Nom filter gets turned back on.

   NOM, NOM, NOM, FAP, FAP, FAP, NOM, NOM, NOM,   

265 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:19:52pm

re: #264 boredtechindenver

well, i don't feel like sorting through everything from him for nuggets of wisdom any longer, so the Nom Nom filter gets turned back on.

   NOM, NOM, NOM, FAP, FAP, FAP, NOM, NOM, NOM,   

You're bored alright. /

bbl

266 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:19:58pm

re: #263 Liberal Entity

Most of this is purely tactical, like her opposition to birtherism.

She doesn't think Obama's Muslim either. Granted her take is equally inane.

267 Randall Gross  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:20:05pm

Get your Obama hoodies here

[Link: store.barackobama.com...]

268 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:21:11pm

re: #267 Randall Gross

Get your Obama hoodies here

[Link: store.barackobama.com...]

"Gang member wear." #FoxNation

269 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:21:53pm

re: #234 Liberal Entity

Which reminds me. RS McCain on the lynching of Emmett Till:

Sounds familiar?

Sure. Racists have been saying it since 1955.

270 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:22:52pm

re: #261 Liberal Entity

Yes, she's been excommunicated by WND for not hatin' on gays enough, and at the freerepublic you will find people calling her a moderate for this and for her support of Romney.

I've seen wingnuts on Twitter saying that Ann Coulter is "pulling a Charles Johnson."

271 abolitionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:23:04pm
272 erik_t  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:23:19pm

re: #267 Randall Gross

Get your Obama hoodies here

[Link: store.barackobama.com...]

Clutch
your
fucking
pearls.

273 Shvaughn  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:26:43pm

re: #239 erik_t

There is, again, a tense issue. KT has contributed a great deal even over the relatively short timespan I've been here, but since the early phases of OWS the signal-to-noise ratio has indisputably plummeted.

He used to be interesting to read, even though I rarely agreed with him, until he came down with OWSDS.

274 celticdragon  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:26:51pm

re: #65 McSpiff

Don't feed the trolls. KT decided to stop contributing here months ago.

I don't agree. I don't often agree with KT, but I value having him here.

275 jaunte  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:27:42pm

re: #272 erik_t

They should have designed the Santorum version like so:
Image: santohoodie.jpg

276 Randall Gross  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:28:14pm

Gun Range Incident Casts Shadow On Santorum Event
[Link: www.npr.org...]

277 aagcobb  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:28:50pm

Wow. I was just reading the comments to a birther article at Infowars, and those people are insane. I don't mean spewing racist venom like Fox Nation, I mean babbling about things like time travel conspiracies and demonic possession. They are either off their meds or trolling for yucks.

278 Randall Gross  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:29:38pm

I think I'm going to retake my avatar photo with a hoodie on.

279 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:30:00pm

Infowars is bad stuff.

My MIL is fond of it.

280 aagcobb  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:31:17pm

re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist

Infowars is bad stuff.

My MIL is fond of it.

Is she under psychiatric care?

281 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:31:34pm

Million Hoodie March in Philadelphia tonight.

[Link: www.philly.com...]

282 celticdragon  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:32:29pm

re: #229 HappyWarrior

Saw this on facebook:
Image: 559518_526276158005_180400524_30367291_1057456311_n.jpg
Makes me very angry.

My God.

This is why I don't trust law enforcement. They have a license to kill with impunity. One incident the image didn't even hit on was the young man who was shot and killed while laying prone and handcuffed in the Oakland subway. The officer who killed him got less then one year in jail.
*spit*

283 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:37:38pm

By the way, racist comments are STILL pouring into that Fox News article. It's now approaching 6,000 comments and they're getting even uglier.

284 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:37:40pm

re: #278 Randall Gross

I think I'm going to retake my avatar photo with a hoodie on.

I saw that and thought, "Cool, me too!" Immediately followed by, "Crap! I forgot I'm already wearing one!" Duh.

285 JRCMYP  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:38:06pm

I was surprised to see some really awful comments over at Politico too. Maybe not surprised. But saddened.

286 AK-47%  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:38:27pm

re: #282 celticdragon

My God.

This is why I don't trust law enforcement. They have a license to kill with impunity. One incident the image didn't even hit on was the young man who was shot and killed while laying prone and handcuffed in the Oakland subway. The officer who killed him got less then one year in jail.
*spit*

We came to adopt this notion that more police officers on the job = better police protection.

Well guess what? It is not a simple linear equation. It is a matter of quality as well as quantity, and somewhere you will hit the point of diminishing returns, namely that one corrupt, incompetent officer can undo the work of dozens of dedicated and conscientious ones.

287 Tigger2  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:40:17pm

re: #282 celticdragon

My God.

This is why I don't trust law enforcement. They have a license to kill with impunity. One incident the image didn't even hit on was the young man who was shot and killed while laying prone and handcuffed in the Oakland subway. The officer who killed him got less then one year in jail.
*spit*

I agree and I have three family members who are officers, LOL

288 erik_t  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:40:27pm

re: #283 Charles Johnson

By the way, racist comments are STILL pouring into that Fox News article. It's now approaching 6,000 comments and they're getting even uglier.

I hope you're not checking from France.

/

289 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:42:24pm

re: #286 Second Amendment Renegation

I have a ton of sympathy for cops on the beat. It's a sucky job, and they're at the bottom of a totem pole.

But I grew up mainly in San Francisco, where the police department has veered between incompetent and corrupt for decades, and worked in Oakland, where it is simply a goddamn shambles. I had a co-worker murdered and the police attempt to declare it a suicide.

But the problem is not just with the police force. It is also with prosecutors being a political position, often elected, and often using it as a stepping-stone to further political positions. It is also with the prison unions leadership that don't want to reduce the number of people in prison, even as some of their rank and file are paying the price for overcrowded prisons and inhumane conditions.

We need to improve the quality of the police, but their agenda is set by prosecutors, chiefs, mayors. Police departments are very much top-down, and to reform them takes more than prosecuting individual cops for misdeeds.

290 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:43:44pm

re: #236 _RememberTonyC

I can't speak for others, but the vibe on this board is different than it was a few years ago. Some of the old timers tend to be more conservative than those who joined in the last 3-4 years. So while the general tone of the discussions here have moved to the left, there are still people around who would not buy into the "nearly all republicans are wingnuts" attitude that has mostly taken root here. KT is no troll. He has contributed much to the forum over the years. His voice matters too. And the newer Lizards should be GLAD there are voices like KT who still are heard here. Otherwise, you have an echo chamber ... which I hope this board NEVER becomes.

I don't buy into the "nearly all Republicans are wingnuts" viewpoint, but I will say that at least on some issues, IMO Killogore's contributions are pretty ridiculous. I appreciate well-reasoned conservative viewpoints. Accusing people of supporting rapes and stabbings doesn't meet that bar.

291 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:44:02pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

OK, now I took a look at the Farrakhan tweets quoted by The Blaze, in an absolutely blatant attempt at race-baiting. Here are some of the ones they want their goonish audience to believe are outrageous:

Why are these comments supposed to be so outrageously racist again?

It means they don't want to work!1! It means they want everything handed to them!1!

But...that's beggary.

SHUT UP!

292 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:45:48pm

I posted this as a page, but then it got overwhelmed by another Lizard's buttload o'pages.

The Original WW2 "Rosie the Riveter" was Black!

293 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:47:19pm

re: #286 Second Amendment Renegation

We came to adopt this notion that more police officers on the job = better police protection.

Well guess what? It is not a simple linear equation. It is a matter of quality as well as quantity, and somewhere you will hit the point of diminishing returns, namely that one corrupt, incompetent officer can undo the work of dozens of dedicated and conscientious ones.

Certainly, the war on drugs comes to mind.

I highly recommend listening to this interview:

[Link: www.npr.org...]

294 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:47:54pm

A commentator on the mix of Million Hoodie March and OWS the other day in NYC.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I note that he has diminished sympathies for the OWS movement as they appear to have shrunk into protest for the sake of protest. And I expect the rational parts of the movement are leaving for efforts they see as move productive.

295 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:48:32pm

re: #289 Obdicut

I have a ton of sympathy for cops on the beat. It's a sucky job, and they're at the bottom of a totem pole.

But I grew up mainly in San Francisco, where the police department has veered between incompetent and corrupt for decades, and worked in Oakland, where it is simply a goddamn shambles. I had a co-worker murdered and the police attempt to declare it a suicide.

But the problem is not just with the police force. It is also with prosecutors being a political position, often elected, and often using it as a stepping-stone to further political positions. It is also with the prison unions leadership that don't want to reduce the number of people in prison, even as some of their rank and file are paying the price for overcrowded prisons and inhumane conditions.

We need to improve the quality of the police, but their agenda is set by prosecutors, chiefs, mayors. Police departments are very much top-down, and to reform them takes more than prosecuting individual cops for misdeeds.

I think that you'd also find this interview interesting - particularly near the end where she talks about a black youth that was victimized by the Oakland PD.

[Link: www.npr.org...]

296 Shvaughn  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:50:20pm

re: #292 Learned Mother of Zion

I posted this as a page, but then it got overwhelmed by another Lizard's buttload o'pages.

The Original WW2 "Rosie the Riveter" was Black!

It's actually not as simple as that. There's a decent summary of the history of "Rosie the Riveter" on Wikipedia:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

297 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:52:33pm

re: #296 Shvaughn

It's actually not as simple as that. There's a decent summary of the history of "Rosie the Riveter" on Wikipedia:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The photo of the Black woman matches the propaganda poster closer than any other photo.

298 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:53:03pm

Rev. Welton Gaddy talks with Rachel Maddow about Rev. Dennis Terry‘s introduction of Rick Santorum at a campaign event, and pretty much nails it.

299 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:54:51pm

re: #280 aagcobb

Is she under psychiatric care?

She has been, her daughter-in-law says cautiously.

Seriously, I love the woman, but she's not totally screwed in right.

300 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:56:18pm

re: #294 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

A commentator on the mix of Million Hoodie March and OWS the other day in NYC.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I note that he has diminished sympathies for the OWS movement as they appear to have shrunk into protest for the sake of protest. And I expect the rational parts of the movement are leaving for efforts they see as move productive.

I noticed that too. There was also a gay-lesbian event in DC recently. Occupiers showed up and caused a ruckus, blocked traffic, did Mic Checks and gave speeches during a moment of silence. People were pretty pissed.
It's starting to look like the OWS revival may not last very long.

301 abolitionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:58:15pm

re: #298 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Rev. Welton Gaddy talks with Rachel Maddow about Rev. Dennis Terry‘s introduction of Rick Santorum at a campaign event, and pretty much nails it.

Thread-worthy, IMO.

302 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:04:12pm

re: #238 Liberal Entity

Hey, I agree there should be sane conservatives and moderates here. The fact that KT is trolling is quite aside from that. I'd never say that you're trolling, and you're more conservative than KT.

believe it or not, there are a handful of people on this board I find extremely obnoxious and I'd like to rip them a new asshole sometime. But I try not to let those people get to me ... sometimes I just give myself a time out.

303 Shvaughn  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:05:18pm

re: #297 Learned Mother of Zion

The photo of the Black woman matches the propaganda poster closer than any other photo.

Do you mean that the painting of Geraldine Hoff ("We can do it!" -- not explicitly "Rosie") by J. Howard Miller matches the picture of an African-American woman in Vultee-Nashville, Tennessee working on an A-31?

304 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:05:36pm

re: #302 _RememberTonyC

believe it or not, there are a handful of people on this board I find extremely obnoxious and I'd like to rip them a new asshole sometime. But I try not to let those people get to me ... sometimes I just give myself a time out.

You could just ask me to cool it.

/hopeful sarc tag

305 Shvaughn  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:07:26pm

re: #300 Killgore Trout

I noticed that too. There was also a gay-lesbian event in DC recently. Occupiers showed up and caused a ruckus, blocked traffic, did Mic Checks and gave speeches during a moment of silence. People were pretty pissed.
It's starting to look like the OWS revival may not last very long.

You're pretty late on the OWS-derail-post for this thread. Where have you been?

306 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:08:53pm

re: #220 Amory Blaine

I share a country with them, but I break no bread with conservatives.

I do. There are some people with conservative values who I get along with quite well. Good folks and they at least consider who would get hurt by their policies if said policies were implemented. Of course I live in Canada and most of our conservatives haven't had their brains melt under the white hot heat of hatred.

On the other hand, there was that Republican I was working with a couple of years ago. I thought they were one of the sane ones. Until I posted something in a political forum on-line that they disagreed with. At which point they told me I was never going to post another political opinion anywhere ever again, and if I must I had to clear it with them first. If I didn't they were going to kill the project we were working on and it would be my fault for my unprofessional behaviour.

It was at that point that I really started to realize how far gone the Republicans had become.

307 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:09:03pm

re: #305 Shvaughn

Do not taunt dynamite monkey.

Image: Dynamite_monkey.jpg

308 researchok  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:09:07pm

re: #292 Learned Mother of Zion

My apologies. I did not mean to 'bury' your link.

I post pages I believe might be of interest to others.

I'll be more careful in the future to give the already posted pages more time at the 'top'.

309 aagcobb  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:09:35pm

re: #283 Charles Johnson

By the way, racist comments are STILL pouring into that Fox News article. It's now approaching 6,000 comments and they're getting even uglier.

Charles, you are going to get carpal tunnel from posting all those racist comments with your sock puppets./

310 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:13:21pm

re: #305 Shvaughn

You're pretty late on the OWS-derail-post for this thread. Where have you been?

Probably reading Oaktree's OWS post at #294, if I had to guess.

311 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:20:24pm

re: #290 Talking Point Detective

I don't buy into the "nearly all Republicans are wingnuts" viewpoint, but I will say that at least on some issues, IMO Killogore's contributions are pretty ridiculous. I appreciate well-reasoned conservative viewpoints. Accusing people of supporting rapes and stabbings doesn't meet that bar.

we all have made posts that we'd like to take back ...

312 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:20:41pm

I hereby declare that from this day forward, any comment about OWS that does not sufficiently lavish the movement with high praise is automatically and irrevocably Kilgore Trout's fault. So let it be written, so let it be done.

313 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:20:49pm

re: #304 wrenchwench

You could just ask me to cool it.

/hopeful sarc tag

NEVER :)

314 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:22:34pm

re: #311 _RememberTonyC

we all have made posts that we'd like to take back ...

Go back in time and look at some of the nasty comments I've made about Muslims. I am ashamed of them, but happy to have grown beyond that.

315 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:22:35pm

re: #289 Obdicut

When fish goes rotten the head stinks first.

316 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:22:46pm

re: #312 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I hereby declare that from this day forward, any comment about OWS that does not sufficiently lavish the movement with high praise is automatically and irrevocably Kilgore Trout's fault. So let it be written, so let it be done.

I seem to be the local litmus test for conservatism too. Heh.

317 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:23:51pm

re: #316 Killgore Trout

I seem to be the local litmus test for conservatism too. Heh.

you're just a lightning rod for conversation ...

318 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:24:15pm

re: #316 Killgore Trout

Fuck. We really are doomed.

319 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:30:33pm

re: #316 Killgore Trout

I seem to be the local litmus test for conservatism too. Heh.

I guess that explains why everyone finds me so conservative, since I've found OWS to be futile at best.

Oh wait.

320 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:33:53pm

re: #319 Obdicut

I think you're pretty conservative. But it could just be those ankle length skirts you always wear that give me the impression.

321 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:34:53pm

re: #320 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I think you're pretty conservative. But it could just be those ankle length skirts you always wear that give me the impression.

It's not the skirts so much as the way they hide my face while my legs are up in the air in their usual posture.

I call it the inverted burkah.

322 cinesimon  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:40:39pm

And who are law enforcement targeting? Liberal political groups.

323 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 2:48:50pm

re: #316 Killgore Trout

I seem to be the local litmus test for conservatism too. Heh.

Wow! Delusion of grandeur much?

I'd say that you've lately been one litmus test for facile reasoning. But certainly far from the only one. There's nothing particularly "conservative" about making specious arguments.

324 appleannie1  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 3:23:07pm

How can the talk the way they do and then claim to be Christian. It defies all sense of reason.

325 Ojoe  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 3:47:40pm

re: #324 appleannie1

'Tis a false claim.

326 Ojoe  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 3:50:36pm

My white teenage boys like to wear hoodies.

We're in this together folks.

327 simoom  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 4:49:53pm

Gingrich responded to the President's comments as well:
[Link: mobile.nationaljournal.com...]

“What the president said, in a sense, is disgraceful,” Gingrich said on the Hannity Radio show. “It’s not a question of who that young man looked like. Any young American of any ethnic background should be safe, period. We should all be horrified no matter what the ethnic background."

“Is the president suggesting that if it had been a white who had been shot, that would be OK because it didn’t look like him. That’s just nonsense dividing this country up. It is a tragedy this young man was shot. It would have been a tragedy if he had been Puerto Rican or Cuban or if he had been white or if he had been Asian American of if he’d been a Native American. At some point, we ought to talk about being Americans. When things go wrong to an American, it is sad for all Americans. Trying to turn it into a racial issue is fundamentally wrong. I really find it appalling.”

So apparently the President wasn't expressing empathy for a grieving family as it would first appear, but was instead signaling "that if it had been a white who had been shot, that would be OK because it didn’t look like him." ///

Wuh?

328 srjh  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:04:05pm

Why are they censoring the word "black"? Surely that's a bit extreme.

*reads comments*

Oh, right. That's why.

329 PeterWolf  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:30:53pm

Wow, I'm dumbstruck. Some of the comments are simply vile. Never mind, they can only keep cheating on the Darwin test for so long.

330 sean6886politik  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 4:59:55pm

And you mentioned that the one with the avitar is a regular poster. Just shows that Faux promotes this kind of hatred.


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