Unbelievable: Newt Gingrich Calls Obama’s Comments on Trayvon Martin ‘Disgraceful’

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Speaking today on the Sean Hannity radio show, Newt Gingrich found a way to picture President Obama’s remarks on Trayvon Martin as “disgraceful.”

What’s disgraceful is Gingrich’s bizarre criticism; believe it or not, he’s saying that Obama would have been just fine “if it had been a white who had been shot.” What the hell is wrong with Newt Gingrich?

Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich harshly criticized President Obama for commenting on Trayvon Martin’s race as he extended condolences to the 17-year-old shooting victim’s parents on Friday. Obama said, “If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon,” a remark that Gingrich said he found “disgraceful” and “appalling.”

 “What the president said, in a sense, is disgraceful,” Gingrich said on the Hannity Radio show. “It’s not a question of who that young man looked like. Any young American of any ethnic background should be safe, period. We should all be horrified no matter what the ethnic background.

“Is the president suggesting that if it had been a white who had been shot, that would be OK because it didn’t look like him. That’s just nonsense dividing this country up. It is a tragedy this young man was shot. It would have been a tragedy if he had been Puerto Rican or Cuban or if he had been white or if he had been Asian American of if he’d been a Native American. At some point, we ought to talk about being Americans. When things go wrong to an American, it is sad for all Americans. Trying to turn it into a racial issue is fundamentally wrong. I really find it appalling.”

Andrew Kaczynski posted the recording of this disgusting attack on the President:

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Gingrich knows damned well that President Obama never suggested anything like this. He’s pandering to the lunatic GOP base, with one of the most despicable straw man arguments I’ve yet seen from the right. Sickening.

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415 comments

1 jamesfirecat  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:14:40pm

Oh look it's someone inflaming racial tension (blacks don't care about white people) over the Trayvon Martin situation, Kilgore, tell us how much you hate Newt for doing this!

2 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:16:56pm

Because if you say this is a terrible thing, you obviously support it when something similar happens...

Wait, what the fuck is Newt talking about?

3 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:17:40pm

And this is why I didn't want this to be a discussion about race, because we've totally moved off the subject that really matters: The shitty law that made this all possible. Without that law, it wouldn't matter Martin's race, Zimmerman would be sitting in a jail cell right now.

4 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:17:42pm

Obama wasn't talking to you, Newt.

But my main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin. If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon.

So shut the fuck up.

5 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:19:00pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

Well, I don't think that there's any law giving coverage to the guy who assaulted the black homeless dude and wasn't charged by the same police department, so-- maybe, maybe not.

I also don't think the law made the PD have Trayvon as a John Doe for three days while they had his cell phone.

So there's some aspects here aside from the shitty law.

6 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:19:04pm

Newt Gingrich has proven time and time again that he is indeed an asshole.

7 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:19:28pm

Newt is either an ignorant moron or pandering to the worst degree.

Obama didn't 'make this a racial issue,' Zimmerman did.

8 YoungLochinvar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:19:57pm

The disgraceful part is that people still take Newt seriously.

9 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:21:55pm

re: #5 Obdicut

Well, I don't think that there's any law giving coverage to the guy who assaulted the black homeless dude and wasn't charged by the same police department, so-- maybe, maybe not.

I also don't think the law made the PD have Trayvon as a John Doe for three days while they had his cell phone.

So there's some aspects here aside from the shitty law.

The law didn't make an investigating officer correct a witness to her face simply because her story contradicted the shooter's version of events.

10 bratwurst  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:22:32pm

Desperate man.

11 abolitionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:23:59pm

re: #4 Obdicut

Obama wasn't talking to you, Newt.

So shut the fuck up.

Disagree. Pres. Obama was talking to all of us.
Newt wasn't listening, just plotting.

12 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:26:24pm

re: #5 Obdicut

Well, I don't think that there's any law giving coverage to the guy who assaulted the black homeless dude and wasn't charged by the same police department, so-- maybe, maybe not.

I also don't think the law made the PD have Trayvon as a John Doe for three days while they had his cell phone.

So there's some aspects here aside from the shitty law.

Indeed, but how much of the cover-up that began the moment the cops arrived was due to a police department with a documented history of issues where race is concerned and how much is as a result of this law? There's been cases in other counties similar to this, of altercations resulting in the shooter walking free because he cried "self-defense!"

13 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:26:34pm

I have no problem whatsoever with what Obama said. He tactfully expressed sympathy and concern for the family, and for justice. Without acting stupidly.

So when he doesn't act stupidly, Newt still finds a way to assume he acted stupidly.

Which means Newt acted stupidly.

14 Interesting Times  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:27:36pm

re: #6 Gus

Newt Gingrich has proven time and time again that he is indeed an asshole.

Adele agrees:

15 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:27:55pm

This is quite a bit further out than I thought even people like Hannity and Gingrich would go.

The sheer mean-spiritedness of saying something like this is horrifying. President Obama expressed a simple human feeling of empathy with an unjustly murdered child -- identifying with the victim because it could have been his own child. And that's "disgraceful" to these right wing assholes?

I really haven't been this disgusted with the Republican Party and the right in general in a long, long time. This isn't just opportunistic, it's flat out inhuman.

16 Batman  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:28:11pm

If it were a white kid who was killed, his family would get justice.

17 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:31:04pm

When I hear Obama say this boy looks like he could be his, I hear a human being relating personally to this tragedy.

18 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:31:50pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

This is quite a bit further out than I thought even people like Hannity and Gingrich would go.

The sheer mean-spiritedness of saying something like this is horrifying. President Obama expressed a simple human feeling of empathy with an unjustly murdered child -- identifying with the victim because it could have been his own child. And that's "disgraceful" to these right wing assholes?

I really haven't been this disgusted with the Republican Party and the right in general in a long, long time. This isn't just opportunistic, it's flat out inhuman.

Newt is disgraceful. I didn't think he could go lower than this.

19 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:31:51pm

Fuck you, Newt.

20 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:34:31pm

Newt spouted:

“Is the president suggesting that if it had been a white who had been shot, that would be OK because it didn’t look like him? That’s just nonsense dividing this country up. It is a tragedy this young man was shot. It would have been a tragedy if he had been Puerto Rican or Cuban or if he had been white or if he had been Asian-American or if he’d been a Native American. At some point, we ought to talk about being Americans. When things go wrong to an American, it is sad for all Americans. Trying to turn it into a racial issue is fundamentally wrong. I really find it appalling.”

Trying to pretend race had nothing to do with it is fundamentally wrong, and makes you look like a racist and an idiot. However, I'm not surprised when this nonsense comes from Newt.

21 Stanghazi  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:35:50pm

Spreading to London.

Further it says, wear a hoodie.

22 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:36:14pm

re: #16 Batman

If it were a white kid who was killed, his family would get justice.

Not necessarily. But the odds would be better.

23 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:36:30pm

Gingrich knows his audience. If the Republican base keeps getting dumber, they'll be living in trees and communicating with a grunted approximation of "Mer-kuhn" inside of twenty years.

24 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:37:22pm

Oh Newt you are so very republican

25 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:37:32pm

Semi on topic:

GERALDO RIVERA: "I think the hoodie is as much responsible for Trayvon Martin’s death as George Zimmerman was."

It's a wonder Geraldo is still alive.
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26 Stanghazi  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:37:37pm
27 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:38:12pm

re: #22 SanFranciscoZionist

Not necessarily. But the odds would be better.

With this "Stand Your Ground" law in place, probably not. I can't even guarantee that they would have been any more mindful of evidence than they were in this case.

28 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:39:25pm

re: #25 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Semi on topic:

GERALDO RIVERA: "I think the hoodie is as much responsible for Trayvon Martin’s death as George Zimmerman was."

It's a wonder Geraldo is still alive.
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He should have been jailed as a security risk back at the beginning of the Iraq war. FDR might have had him shot, Lincoln certainly would have.

29 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:39:35pm

re: #23 Shiplord Kirel

Gingrich knows his audience. If the Republican base keeps getting dumber, they'll be living in trees and communicating with a grunted approximation of "Mer-kuhn" inside of twenty years.

The Republican base "didn't come from no monkey." That's because they still are monkeys!

//

30 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:41:18pm

hannity is in bed with neo-nazis (Hal Turner)

so basically, nothing he says would surprise me, he's exactly what I'd expect from a republican broadcaster

31 nines09  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:42:01pm

Newt Gingrich, Forever in Perpetuity Disgraced Former Speaker of The House, once again proves that his parents gave him the wrong first name. It should have been Dick.

32 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:42:07pm

re: #1 jamesfirecat

Oh look it's someone inflaming racial tension (blacks don't care about white people) over the Trayvon Martin situation, Kilgore, tell us how much you hate Newt for doing this!

He's a douche and I never suspected otherwise.

33 Stanghazi  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:42:09pm
34 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:42:09pm

Thing is, Newt's just keeping the excuse-making that the Right has engaged in since this first became a news story going. You know, the line that goes "You only care about this because the kid was black!" Not that he was gunned down by a vigilante with a Dirty Harry complex, not that guilty of nothing more than walking in the rain with his hood up, not that there's an emerging pattern showing that this law has turned Florida into a shooting gallery.

No, we liberals are just every so shallow that we only get outraged when the person killed is a minority. *rolls eyes*

35 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:42:23pm

re: #27 Targetpractice

With this "Stand Your Ground" law in place, probably not. I can't even guarantee that they would have been any more mindful of evidence than they were in this case.

something tells me the stand your ground law is shall we say, handicapped against black people

flowda!

36 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:42:31pm

re: #30 windupbird is in the gravity well

hannity is in bed with neo-nazis (Hal Turner)

so basically, nothing he says would surprise me, he's exactly what I'd expect from a republican broadcaster propaganda minister.

37 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:46:13pm

re: #27 Targetpractice

With this "Stand Your Ground" law in place, probably not. I can't even guarantee that they would have been any more mindful of evidence than they were in this case.

In this particular case, I feel almost certain that if Trayvon had been white this would have gone differently.

38 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:46:19pm

To Newt, Obama could only have been establishing a racial connection by saying "if I had son...." It couldn't be sincere, or rooted in the hypotheticals that parents dwell upon when another parent loses their child.

What a cynic...no, more than cynic, what a horrifically void of empathy human being.

39 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:46:21pm

A Young Black Man, Being Late

There's a reason that Trayvon Martin's story hits me so hard. When you're thirteen and threatened with a bullet through the chest for getting your braces tightened, it teaches you how the world works, and does it in a hurry.

My favorite comment there:

This is why the white folks like me who are shouting “We are all Trayvon Martin” now are…not. That’s the point.

40 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:47:30pm

More proof that the ante keeps getting higher and higher for wingnuts to say something crazy enough to even get noticed anymore.

41 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:47:43pm

re: #38 The Ghost of a Flea

It's ghoulish.

42 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:48:27pm

That sound you hear is the death rattle of Gingrich campaign.

43 Stanghazi  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:48:34pm

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

In this particular case, I feel almost certain that if Trayvon had been white this would have gone differently.

He wouldn't have been followed is my #1 response. Full stop.

44 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:49:13pm

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

In this particular case, I feel almost certain that if Trayvon had been white this would have gone differently.

Zimmerman might have gotten more than just a pat on the head, perhaps tested for drugs/alcohol and more attention paid to his wounds. But the moment he started asserting "self-defense," they would have slammed into a brick wall and likely dropped the investigation due to the work it would take just to disprove his story.

45 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:50:20pm

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

In this particular case, I feel almost certain that if Trayvon had been white this would have gone differently.

But he would still have been wearing a hoodie, and you know what that means!

46 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:50:57pm

who here is bracing for right wing domestic terrorism after Obama wins his second term


this rhetoric is landing in the heads of Zimmermans all over the country

47 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:51:00pm

re: #45 Kragar

But he would still have been wearing a hoodie, and you know what that means!

MUSLIM USURPERS!

48 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:51:24pm

re: #43 Hoodies for Justice. T

He wouldn't have been followed is my #1 response. Full stop.

yep

white kid= nice boy!

black kid = KILL HIM BEFORE HE GETS AWAY

49 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:51:53pm

re: #47 +1 Adidas Hoodie of Justice

MUSLIM USURPERS!

First you get the hoodies, then you gets the burkhas. Its a slippery slope.
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50 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:52:21pm

re: #38 The Ghost of a Flea

To Newt, Obama could only have been establishing a racial connection by saying "if I had son..." It couldn't be sincere, or rooted in the hypotheticals that parents dwell upon when another parent loses their child.

What a cynic...no, more than cynic, what a horrifically void of empathy human being.

what a republican :)


there's a name for these guys, they are called republicans

the only difference is Newt is saying in public what they usually keep private

51 b_Snark  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:53:28pm

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

In this particular case, I feel almost certain that if Trayvon had been white this would have gone differently.

Certainly, it would not have happened. Our friend Zimmerman would have been following some other black kid.

52 Stanghazi  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:54:14pm

re: #39 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

A Young Black Man, Being Late

My favorite comment there:

Omg.

53 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:54:46pm

re: #51 Narcissistic Flatulent A-hole

Certainly, it would not have happened. Our friend Zimmerman would have been following some other black kid.

Very likely.

After all, we know that white kids don't join gangs and never wear hoodies for anything other than perfectly legal activities.///

54 Stanghazi  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:59:05pm

re: #51 Narcissistic Flatulent A-hole

Certainly, it would not have happened. Our friend Zimmerman would have been following some other black kid.

The uh, 7-9 year old.

Investigate in FULL all of his asshole 911 calls.

Didn't this dude know the non-emergency # of his local police? 911 for a uh, 7-9 year old. BLACK KID.

55 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:01:19pm

Newt has again, proven what a pig he is.

56 Stanghazi  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:02:17pm

re: #54 Hoodies for Justice. T

FYI, Zimmerman called 911 to report a suspicious "uh, 7-9 year old" black kid in his neighborhood.

The cops screwed this up so bad, they've lost all confidence. I mean, they know the serial 911 caller. They SHOULD know him well.

I can't imagine calling 911 so many times and not be under a little notice.

57 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:02:19pm

re: #54 Hoodies for Justice. T

The uh, 7-9 year old.

Investigate in FULL all of his asshole 911 calls.

Didn't this dude know the non-emergency # of his local police? 911 for a uh, 7-9 year old. BLACK KID.

Actually he did call the non-emergency number for Trayvon. Things are getting conflated here, "calls to the police" are being interpreted as "calls to 911," when that's not necessarily the case.

58 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:03:11pm

re: #55 Floral Giraffe

Newt has again, proven what a pig he is.

Why do you hate pigs?

Newt is a sack of bleached turds.

59 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:04:03pm

re: #41 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

It's ghoulish.

He's the tip of the iceberg. American conservatism is being dominated by people that think empathy is a weakness, who derive a sense of satisfaction from the power to dominate others. Might really does make right, and truth emanates from the strength to force others to compliance. Look at how twisted their variant of Christianity is: there's no Christ in it. But it isn't just the religion the reflects it: the economics, the social policies, the international relations...all are built on magical thinking and the presumption that when they win, it's because they're fated and deserving, Their ends will always justify their means, and they see no contradiction in holding others to a standard they don't (and won't) obey.

60 Stanghazi  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:04:32pm

re: #57 goddamnedfrank

Actually he did call the non-emergency number for Trayvon. Things are getting conflated here, "calls to the police" are being interpreted as "calls to 911," when that's not necessarily the case.

Oh. Apologize for spiraling something further.

I'm sure all the investigations are gathering the calls.

(so they record non 911 calls?)

61 Stanghazi  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:06:17pm

I wish the Gators were playing tonight. It would be such a relief. But I'll wait till tomorrow. GO GATORS!

62 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:06:25pm

Friend of Martin shooter: I'd do the same thing

And thats the whole fucking problem right there.

63 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:09:56pm

re: #59 The Ghost of a Flea

He's the tip of the iceberg. American conservatism is being dominated by people that think empathy is a weakness, who derive a sense of satisfaction from the power to dominate others. Might really does make right, and truth emanates from the strength to force others to compliance. Look at how twisted their variant of Christianity is: there's no Christ in it. But it isn't just the religion the reflects it: the economics, the social policies, the international relations...all are built on magical thinking and the presumption that when they win, it's because they're fated and deserving, Their ends will always justify their means, and they see no contradiction in holding others to a standard they don't (and won't) obey.

Great comment - couldn't agree more.

64 Decider  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:11:23pm

Fox News is making the stupid, stupider.

65 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:13:44pm

re: #11 abolitionist

Disagree. Pres. Obama was talking to all of us.
Newt wasn't listening, just plotting.

Indeed. I'd hoped Newt would get through this matter without a racist dog whistle, but he's clearly decided to use one, trolling for racists voters.

66 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:19:20pm

re: #39 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

"to protect and serve"

67 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:20:20pm

Daily Caller: How balanced journalists should cover the election

If it was supposed to be parody, it would have been brilliant. Alas, it was not to be.

68 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:22:19pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

Zimmerman might have gotten more than just a pat on the head, perhaps tested for drugs/alcohol and more attention paid to his wounds. But the moment he started asserting "self-defense," they would have slammed into a brick wall and likely dropped the investigation due to the work it would take just to disprove his story.

I agree, but that says more about the Sanford Pd than anything else. If they'd wanted to actually work the case, they had the tools to figure out what really happened, but they punted instead.

P.S: "Punted" is a charitable interpretation of their actions. I'm inclined to think worse of them than that, but I'm going to wait before applying that conclusion.

69 Stanghazi  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:23:13pm

Peeps, I'm from Florida, my Dad lives in South Carolina. Two places with large diverse populations. Where the division has maintained. Ya, there aren't white only bathrooms anymore, but damn, there's an unwritten way. My Dad is kind enough to not say n** anymore since I called his ass on it.

I'm liberal, unabashedly, but I'm a damn human too. A member of this society. I want it to be a good place. Peeps are peeps, no matter their fucking defining difference. (color) I hate that it's still such a problem in America. And do not doubt for a moment, it's still a major prob.

What are we going to do?

70 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:24:25pm

re: #67 Kragar

Daily Caller: How balanced journalists should cover the election

If it was supposed to be parody, it would have been brilliant. Alas, it was not to be.

That is just an embarrassing read. The doublethink is just unreal.

71 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:24:30pm

re: #67 Kragar

Daily Caller: How balanced journalists should cover the election

If it was supposed to be parody, it would have been brilliant. Alas, it was not to be.

Yeah. An article written by an industry lobbyist.

72 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:25:29pm

re: #69 Hoodies for Justice. T

Peeps, I'm from Florida, my Dad lives in South Carolina. Two places with large diverse populations. Where the division has maintained. Ya, there aren't white only bathrooms anymore, but damn, there's an unwritten way. My Dad is kind enough to not say n** anymore since I called his ass on it.

I'm liberal, unabashedly, but I'm a damn human too. A member of this society. I want it to be a good place. Peeps are peeps, no matter their fucking defining difference. (color) I hate that it's still such a problem in America. And do not doubt for a moment, it's still a major prob.

What are we going to do?

What people do best, fight.

73 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:25:57pm

re: #60 Hoodies for Justice. T

Oh. Apologize for spiraling something further.

I'm sure all the investigations are gathering the calls.

(so they record non 911 calls?)

Apparently. In my experience it's usually the same call center and the same operators. The non-emergency number is just a way of prioritizing during heavy volume.

74 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:26:30pm

Hey all!

The hoodie is really a very practical garment. For all the mothers who tell their kids to put something on their head when they go outside in the cold, why would you be afraid of a kid in a hoodie? It's shirt, jacket, scarf and hat all in one.

Now, I can understand hoodies being worn inside. Kids need to be taught to take off the hood in a store or whatever just like we used to teach them to take off their hats indoors --basic etiquette and makes you look much less suspicious on security cameras.

How is everyone?

75 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:27:25pm

re: #64 Decider

Fox News is making the stupid, stupider.

Fox News Brainwashed Drones (FNBD)™

76 Four More Tears  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:28:15pm

re: #74 ggt

Hey all!

The hoodie is really a very practical garment. For all the mothers who tell their kids to put something on their head when they go outside in the cold, why would you be afraid of a kid in a hoodie? It's shirt, jacket, scarf and hat all in one.

Now, I can understand hoodies being worn inside. Kids need to be taught to take off the hood in a store or whatever just like we used to teach them to take off their hats indoors --basic etiquette and makes you look much less suspicious on security cameras.

How is everyone?

We are all hoodlums now.
/

77 jamesfirecat  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:31:15pm

re: #70 The Ghost of a Flea

That is just an embarrassing read. The doublethink is just unreal.

I can't believe THEY START with the teleprompter meme.

Get these guys a job writing for Stephen Colbert before things get worse.

78 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:33:01pm

re: #29 Gus

The Republican base "didn't come from no monkey." That's because they still are monkeys!

//

No, remember, monkeys can show compassion and exercise responsibility for someone that doesn't look like them.

Image: 425812_3470941540371_1476104405_3200892_1004249253_n.jpg

79 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:34:32pm

re: #78 ggt

No, remember, monkeys can show compassion and exercise responsibility for someone that doesn't look like them.

Image: 425812_3470941540371_1476104405_3200892_1004249253_n.jpg

That's a chimp. ;)

80 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:36:10pm

re: #79 Gus

That's a chimp. ;)

It's still a good example.

81 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:36:46pm

re: #79 Gus

That's a chimp. ;)

If a chimp can show compassion, we all can. They're mean little buggers.

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:36:55pm

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

If a chimp can show compassion, we all can. They're mean little buggers.

Much like us.

83 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:37:17pm

Why do we love giraffe behavior they way we do?

[Link: www.zooborns.com...]

84 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:38:12pm

Has a shooting distance determination been released yet in the case? It would be interesting to know if Martin had residue on his clothing. If not then it's an indication that Zimmerman shot him from more than 6 feet away.

85 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:39:38pm
86 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:40:19pm

re: #69 Hoodies for Justice. T

Peeps, I'm from Florida, my Dad lives in South Carolina. Two places with large diverse populations. Where the division has maintained. Ya, there aren't white only bathrooms anymore, but damn, there's an unwritten way. My Dad is kind enough to not say n** anymore since I called his ass on it.

I'm liberal, unabashedly, but I'm a damn human too. A member of this society. I want it to be a good place. Peeps are peeps, no matter their fucking defining difference. (color) I hate that it's still such a problem in America. And do not doubt for a moment, it's still a major prob.

What are we going to do?

Rep John Lewis is an American Hero. There's probably 5 people I'd like to meet before my demise, and he is one. He was on CNN this afternoon, but I missed most of it. This is not the whole interview, but he talks a little bit about it.

[Link: cnn.com...]

About the racial issues, we need to educate people. Not just kids. (And Newt may be too far gone...) But these discussions I think are ultimately good.

The second issue is 1) arrest George Zimmernan, for pete's sake and 2) to repeal that damn law.

87 jamesfirecat  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:41:18pm

re: #84 goddamnedfrank

Has a shooting distance determination been released yet in the case? It would be interesting to know if Martin had residue on his clothing. If not then it's an indication that Zimmerman shot him from more than 6 feet away.

Ah powder burns showing up on someone's clothing as a way of showing if the shooter and his victim were close together or not, something I learned from playing Phoenix Wright....

Now if only we could get Miles Edgeworth (post character development) to prosecute Zimmerman....

88 Stanghazi  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:41:34pm

re: #84 goddamnedfrank

Has a shooting distance determination been released yet in the case? It would be interesting to know if Martin had residue on his clothing. If not then it's an indication that Zimmerman shot him from more than 6 feet away.

Clothing has been incinerated. Same with the gun. My guess. It's almost a MONTH.

89 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:42:00pm

re: #85 ggt

OMG!

Rofl.

90 Shvaughn  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:42:57pm

re: #88 Hoodies for Justice. T

Clothing has been incinerated. Same with the gun. My guess. It's almost a MONTH.

Martin's clothing, not Zimmerman's.

91 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:43:53pm

re: #85 ggt

OMG!

Nothing beats a monkey riding a dog. Nothing.

92 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:44:16pm

re: #88 Hoodies for Justice. T

Clothing has been incinerated. Same with the gun. My guess. It's almost a MONTH.

It was my understanding Zimmerman left the precinct that night with his gun. It was registered to him.

93 Stanghazi  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:44:20pm

I'm out for a bit. Going for the worst/best thing in the world. The KFC chicken pot pie. It's to die for. And will die for.

94 JRCMYP  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:44:42pm

A local Boston Globe reporter and neighbor of mine wrote a beautiful article today pulling together candidate-Obama's 2008 Philadelphia speech on race and Obama's 2 minute comment today on Trayvon Martin's murder.

It's worthy.
A More Perfect Union

95 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:45:24pm

Dinner tonight: red peppers stuffed with ground turkey. Nom.

96 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:45:56pm

re: #91 Kragar

Nothing beats a monkey riding a dog. Nothing.

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That is truly awesome. Dog looks like it is having a blast --don't know about the monkey.

97 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:47:33pm

I heard this morning on CNN TV that Zimmerman has gone into hiding, but the police will be able to call him if they need him. So although not charged, he's being told not to leave town? I thought that was something in the movies. I keep thinking, what's preventing him from disappearing at this point or at least, attempting to disappear.

98 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:48:17pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

Dinner tonight: red peppers stuffed with ground turkey. Nom.

I had split-pea soup for lunch.

It's special because the rest of the family hates peas and I never get them in any form unless I go out.

Most restaurants don't serve Pea soup.

mmmmmmm

99 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:50:42pm

re: #94 JRCMYP

A local Boston Globe reporter and neighbor of mine wrote a beautiful article today pulling together candidate-Obama's 2008 Philadelphia speech on race and Obama's 2 minute comment today on Trayvon Martin's murder.

It's worthy.
A More Perfect Union

It is not a zero-sum game:

“It requires all Americans to realize that your dreams do not have to come at the expense of my dreams; that investing in the health, welfare, and education of black and brown and white children will ultimately help all of America prosper.”

100 b_Snark  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:51:30pm

FWIW

I had a mushroom, ham and pineapple pizza.

101 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:53:38pm

re: #100 Narcissistic Flatulent A-hole

You're just a narcissistic flatulent a-hole.

102 Four More Tears  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:53:50pm

So, I learned today that employers have been asking prospective employees for their Facebook passwords as a condition for employment.

Coming soon to an employer near you: Prima Noctis...

103 jaunte  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:55:02pm

“What the president said, in a sense, is disgraceful.”

I wonder if Sheldon Adelson thinks he's getting any value from giving millions to this disgusting person.

104 BishopX  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:56:09pm

re: #102 Altar Boy of Darwinism

Facebook is getting pissed off at this since it can screw up their security...they are considering suing to stop this.

105 Four More Tears  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:57:49pm

re: #104 BishopX

Facebook is getting pissed off at this since it can screw up their security...they are considering suing to stop this.

It needs to stop. I understand checking out what someone makes public online, but this a whole other level.

106 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:58:28pm

re: #102 Altar Boy of Darwinism

So, I learned today that employers have been asking prospective employees for their Facebook passwords as a condition for employment.

Coming soon to an employer near you: Prima Noctis...

that facebook is the agreed-upon place on the internet where everyone has an account, is the precise reason why I don't have a facebook account

107 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:58:44pm

Facebook speaks out . . .

Egan said that Facebook has seen a "distressing increase" in reports of job candidates being asked for their passwords over the past few months. She notes the practice violates not just the user's privacy but also that of his or her Facebook friends.
It also might violate employment laws, according to the post.
"(W)e don't think it's right the thing to do," she said. "But it also may cause problems for the employers that they are not anticipating. For example, if an employer sees on Facebook that someone is a member of a protected group (e.g. over a certain age, etc.) that employer may open themselves up to claims of discrimination if they don't hire that person.

"

108 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:59:27pm

re: #103 jaunte

“What the president said, in a sense, is disgraceful.”

I wonder if Sheldon Adelson thinks he's getting any value from giving millions to this disgusting person.

If my page isn't public, it isn't public.

109 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:59:56pm

re: #102 Altar Boy of Darwinism

So, I learned today that employers have been asking prospective employees for their Facebook passwords as a condition for employment.

Coming soon to an employer near you: Prima Noctis...

I was reading about that! Well, not so much prima noctis.

I'd pretty much at that point, stand up, shake their hand and say, "It's been very nice meeting you."

110 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:00:19pm

I don't have a FB account, so does that mean I wouldn't be eligible for some jobs?

Load of horseshit.

111 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:00:37pm

re: #108 ggt

If my page isn't public, it isn't public.

this is what happens in a recession with no solid organized labor movement


employers can and will demand you hand over your lives to them

112 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:01:06pm

re: #92 Madge

It was my understanding Zimmerman left the precinct that night with his gun. It was registered to him.

I see a lot of bloggers claiming this but haven't found a reliable report stating it. It would be unheard of, and despite all of the other incompetence, arguable malicious police misconduct in the case I find this bit almost impossible to believe. Likewise I believe Martin's clothing still exist. There's a Grand Jury convening next month, and there's some things that are simply not done before that happens.

Of course I'd also never heard of an investigating officer contradicting a witness before, repeating a shooter's version of events as if it were gospel.

113 ramex  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:01:35pm

Obama's comments were heartfelt, and if anything, help citizens who might currently feel disenfranchised by noting that, yes, even the president, has dark skin. He's issuing an assurance that justice will be done, and it's assurance we all can use. Divisive my whatever-colored ass.

114 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:01:54pm

re: #110 Kragar

I don't have a FB account, so does that mean I wouldn't be eligible for some jobs?

Load of horseshit.

probably!


the funny thing is it's two control machines fighting: exploitative employers, and a corrupt social media site

115 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:02:15pm

re: #110 Kragar

I don't have a FB account, so does that mean I wouldn't be eligible for some jobs?

Load of horseshit.

The point raised by Facebook, of course, is right to privacy. Especially things like age and sexual orientation, questions you are not allowed to ask during an interview.

116 jaunte  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:02:44pm
117 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:02:57pm
118 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:03:08pm

I'm feeling like maybe I fell into a twilight zone episode or somehow woke-up in the wrong quantum reality.

-Contraception and Reproductive Rights are under attack.

-Rome is trying to dictate Public Health Policy in the US

-And Law Enforcement looked the other way when a young man was killed for Walking while Black.

IT IS 2012 --right?

119 Four More Tears  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:03:47pm

re: #109 Madge

I was reading about that! Well, not so much prima noctis.

I'd pretty much at that point, stand up, shake their hand and say, "It's been very nice meeting you."

I'd write down my password on a piece of paper.

"suckmyc**kyouunethicalAhole"

By the way, that's case sensitive...

120 Stanghazi  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:03:49pm

re: #94 JRCMYP

A local Boston Globe reporter and neighbor of mine wrote a beautiful article today pulling together candidate-Obama's 2008 Philadelphia speech on race and Obama's 2 minute comment today on Trayvon Martin's murder.

It's worthy.
A More Perfect Union

Another upding. peeps. read.

121 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:04:06pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

I see a lot of bloggers claiming this but haven't found a reliable report stating this. It would be unheard of, and despite all of the other incompetence, arguable malicious police misconduct in the case I find this bit almost impossible to believe. Likewise I believe Martin's clothing still exist. There's a Grand Jury convening next month, and there's some things that are simply not done before that happens.

Of course I'd also never heard of an investigating officer contradicting a witness before, repeating a shooter's version of events as if it were gospel.

No, I believe I heard it on TV the week of the event, maybe a day or two after the shooting. It added to the outrage, but if they accepted G.Z.'s explanation of self-defense, than it wouldn't be an odd thing for the cops to let him have it.

122 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:04:37pm

re: #115 Madge

The points raised by Facebook, of course, is right to privacy. Especially things like age and sexual orientation, questions you are not allowed to ask during an interview.

tribalism

"They're not our kind of team member, they're gay/a drinker/a democrat/someone who goes to the wrong clubs/a muslim/etc"

123 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:04:47pm

re: #102 Altar Boy of Darwinism

So, I learned today that employers have been asking prospective employees for their Facebook passwords as a condition for employment.

Coming soon to an employer near you: Prima Noctis...

Leland Yee is introducing legislation against that out here in California.

124 jamesfirecat  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:04:54pm

re: #102 Altar Boy of Darwinism

So, I learned today that employers have been asking prospective employees for their Facebook passwords as a condition for employment.

Coming soon to an employer near you: Prima Noctis...

What I don't get is, what are they going to say if you say "Sorry, I don't use facebook?" Are they going to make you get an account?

125 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:05:22pm

Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, Geraldo Rivera, the nation's most senior Muslim cleric Fox News correspondent, compared immodestly-dressed women who do not wear the Islamic headdress Black kids who wear hoodies with meat that is left uncovered in the street and is then eaten by cats.

126 sizzzzlerz  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:05:55pm

The following words echo down the 58 years since they were first spoken but they are as powerful today as they were then

You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

Have you, Newt?

127 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:06:03pm

re: #124 jamesfirecat

What I don't get is, what are they going to say if you say "Sorry, I don't use facebook?" Are they going to make you get an account?

Probably. Or not hire you, because you're weird and don't have a Facebook account.

128 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:06:10pm

re: #116 jaunte

I love Elon James. He's pretty groovy.

129 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:06:17pm

re: #124 jamesfirecat

What I don't get is, what are they going to say if you say "Sorry, I don't use facebook?" Are they going to make you get an account?

they just won't hire you :)

130 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:07:16pm

re: #124 jamesfirecat

What I don't get is, what are they going to say if you say "Sorry, I don't use facebook?" Are they going to make you get an account?

see how this works?


You're compelled to be controlled. If some poor 20 something who hates facebook keeps getting doors slammed in their face, guess what? They get the facebook account! so they can be tracked and controlled and become a dutiful obedient "team member"


"Smash the control machine" -WSB

131 Stanghazi  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:07:37pm

re: #110 Kragar

I don't have a FB account, so does that mean I wouldn't be eligible for some jobs?

Load of horseshit.

lol, they search me and find a volleyball coach in Arkansas. (not moi) no FB, and track my twitter and LGF name, good lucky unless you have access to ip.

132 Interesting Times  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:08:16pm

re: #124 jamesfirecat

What I don't get is, what are they going to say if you say "Sorry, I don't use facebook?" Are they going to make you get an account?

I'm guessing job applicants were either required to provide links to their account on a written application beforehand, or employers verified the existence of their account before the interview (if, like the a typical facebook user, it showed your real name and photo).

But then you have to wonder what would happen if spoof/impersonation accounts were set up - you could always make one as a decoy, I suppose...

133 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:08:35pm

You could tell the interviewer, Which account do you want the password for? I have a lot of facebook accounts and so do I.

134 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:08:41pm

re: #126 sizzzzlerz

The following words echo down the 58 years since they were first spoken but they are as powerful today as they were then

Have you, Newt?

Lets ask wives 1 and 2.

135 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:08:41pm

re: #119 Altar Boy of Darwinism

I'd write down my password on a piece of paper.

"suckmyc**kyouunethicalAhole"

By the way, that's case sensitive...

LOL So tempting, but I've been working steady in this town for 30 years because I've never burned a bridge.

136 Four More Tears  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:09:23pm

re: #126 sizzzzlerz

The following words echo down the 58 years since they were first spoken but they are as powerful today as they were then

Have you, Newt?

When did Newt ever have a sense of decency?

137 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:09:43pm

re: #94 JRCMYP

A local Boston Globe reporter and neighbor of mine wrote a beautiful article today pulling together candidate-Obama's 2008 Philadelphia speech on race and Obama's 2 minute comment today on Trayvon Martin's murder.

It's worthy.
A More Perfect Union

Wow. Just go read this column, right now.

138 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:09:50pm

I can see the social scientists using basic stats from fb to determine if you would fit well into a corporation. How many friends you have, are you going to play high-school mind games, are you a loner, do you play well with others --etc.

But I also think there are some pretty good hiring tests that can be given that determine the same thing without the liability that goes with breaking privacy laws.

I can just see the law suits. "I was fired because . . . .. I have proof because I posted it on my fb and they have my password etc . . . . "

Yeah, I'd just love to be the attorney arguing for the corporation on that one.

139 Tigger2005  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:10:29pm

Sigh. From my brother, who told me on Facebook that he's "tired" of hearing about Trayvon Martin:

There IS a reason why a black kid in a hoodie walking through a neighborhood at night is regarded with suspicion. like i said I'm not defending Zimmerman's reaction or actions but the fact is that black people are regarded that way for a reason. One of my x coworkers comes over to my house sometimes and I don't hear him knocking on my door. I tell him to come around to the back and knock on my window.. do you know what he says???? He says I don't think it would be a good idea for a black man to be walking around to the back of your house knocking on windows.

140 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:11:12pm

re: #133 Mich-again

You could tell the interviewer, Which account do you want the password for? I have a lot of facebook accounts and so do I.

WEll, that would be what people would do. Set-up a special fb for employers, grandparents etc to see.

Kind of defeats the purpose.

141 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:11:17pm

re: #121 Madge

No, I believe I heard it on TV the week of the event, maybe a day or two after the shooting. It added to the outrage, but if they accepted G.Z.'s explanation of self-defense, than it wouldn't be an odd thing for the cops to let him have it.

It's not true:

There is a great deal of misinformation surrounding the Trayvon Martin shooting. Here are some of the most prominent misunderstandings:

Cops returned the gun to shooter George Zimmerman.

Untrue, according to police. Sanford Officer Tim Smith handcuffed Zimmerman, and then pulled from a holster in Zimmerman's waistband the black Kel Tec 9 mm PF9, a semiautomatic. The gun is now in the possession of authorities, officially part of the evidence in the case.

Zimmerman, though, still has a valid concealed-weapons permit.

142 Four More Tears  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:12:17pm

re: #135 Madge

LOL So tempting, but I've been working steady in this town for 30 years because I've never burned a bridge.

I get that, but I find it far too insulting to be so civil. Any employer indecent enough to ask that of me will be no employer of mine.

143 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:12:24pm

re: #140 ggt

WEll, that would be what people would do. Set-up a special fb for employers, grandparents etc to see.

Kind of defeats the purpose.

and then they'll shitcan you when they find out you've been holding out on them with your "real" account

America!

144 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:12:30pm

re: #139 Tigger2005

Sigh. From my brother, who told me on Facebook that he's "tired" of hearing about Trayvon Martin:

Your brother is an asshole.

145 Shvaughn  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:13:05pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

Wow. Just go read this column, right now.

Just don't, as usual, read the comments.

146 Shvaughn  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:13:55pm

re: #139 Tigger2005

Sigh. From my brother, who told me on Facebook that he's "tired" of hearing about Trayvon Martin:

Your brother's black friend is a lot smarter than your brother.

147 SpaceJesus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:13:57pm

The GOP knows Newt hasn't got a chance, so they use him as a bomb thrower instead.

148 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:14:54pm

re: #147 SpaceJesus

The GOP knows Newt hasn't got a chance, so they use him as a bomb thrower instead.

Whenever a republican of any stature says something in public, i assume the party is behind it


When Republicans say horrible things, it's best to believe that yep the party agrees

149 Tigger2005  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:15:25pm

re: #144 Kragar

Tell me something I don't know. I reminded him how I was robbed by my roommate, a clean-cut church-going white kid, who was arrested about two weeks later with his equally lily-white friend after a night of burglarizing houses.

150 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:15:59pm

GOP and FNBD™ spend a lot of time singing to the choir. I have friends who are CONVINCED there is no way Obama can win November.

I just shake my head.

151 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:16:28pm

re: #148 windupbird is in the gravity well

Whenever a republican of any stature says something in public, i assume the party is behind it

When Republicans say horrible things, it's best to believe that yep the party agrees

I disagree. I think Newt is a loose cannon.

152 Iwouldprefernotto  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:16:38pm

re: #67 Kragar

Daily Caller: How balanced journalists should cover the election

If it was supposed to be parody, it would have been brilliant. Alas, it was not to be.

Or How to get Mitt elected

153 Stanghazi  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:16:55pm

re: #126 sizzzzlerz

The following words echo down the 58 years since they were first spoken but they are as powerful today as they were then

Have you, Newt?

Just tweeted to the newtster, er his Adelson paid for lackeys.

154 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:17:35pm

Insider Traders wear business suits, so everyone who wears a business suit must therefore be guilty of insider trading.

Its so convenient when we can just ID criminals based on their uniforms.
/

155 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:17:39pm

re: #149 Tigger2005

Tell me something I don't know. I reminded him how I was robbed by my roommate, a clean-cut church-going white kid, who was arrested about two weeks later with his equally lily-white friend after a night of burglarizing houses.

When I worked in the department store, a long time ago, security always told us to watch out for the black/white scam. The black person would take the attention of the clerk because they would be suspicious of them and then the white person (who they wouldn't be paying attention to) would to the stealing.

Early lesson in subtle prejudice.

156 bubba zanetti  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:17:46pm

This is how the internet works: [Link: geraldoinahoodie.tumblr.com...]

157 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:17:49pm

re: #122 windupbird is in the gravity well

tribalism

"They're not our kind of team member, they're gay/a drinker/a democrat/someone who goes to the wrong clubs/a muslim/etc"

Or in some cases, simple stupid inane dribble or how about this, "If you know someone who died of cancer and are really, really REALLY UPSET and want everyone TO CRY, then post this to your timeline FOR ONE HOUR. If you REALLY FEEL BAD FOR SICK PEOPLE, YOU'LL DO IT!!11111!!!!!!11

Ok, so it has it's good points.

158 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:18:07pm

re: #141 goddamnedfrank

The police simply never, ever return a gun that's just been used to kill someone, not even when that gun belongs to a cop involved in the cleanest of clean shootings. The reasons go beyond the idea of an ongoing investigation, it CYA. If the same weapon gets released and immediately ends up involved in another shooting/homicide the legal liability could end up bankrupting the community. People have to petition to get their guns back, even when they're stolen, and the process takes time by design.

159 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:18:45pm

re: #156 bubba zanetti

This is how the internet works: [Link: geraldoinahoodie.tumblr.com...]

Playgirl 1988

ROTFLAMO

160 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:20:10pm

re: #141 goddamnedfrank

It's not true:

Well that's good! I'm happy to be wrong about it.

161 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:20:25pm

hoodies are like jeans and gym shoes.

basic apparel in the new millenium.

economical and practical. easy to care for. totally cool.

162 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:20:41pm

re: #154 Kragar

Insider Trades wear business suits, so everyone who wears a business suit must therefore be guilty of insider trading.

Its so convenient when we can just ID criminals based on their uniforms.
/

Child abusers are most frequently parents.

Therefore all parents must be abusers.

(I have a son who oddly considers hugs and kisses horrible. I keep him in line by threatening to hug and kiss him. Not making this up.)

163 jaunte  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:21:37pm

re: #145 Shvaughn

Just don't, as usual, read the comments.

Oops, I went ahead and did it.

UncleDreamAct wrote:
Listen to the audio, the violent black thug was beating the "tar" out of the little Mexican guy. And somehow Obama finds fault with radio talk shows and white people?

And the press shown only photo's of Tyrell when he was 22 years old during Christmas or dressed for church, and they don't show his criminal police mug-shots or gang group pictures.

The liberal democrats have tried to turn this into something it isn't. And they have failed once again.

Talk about a low-information comment.

164 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:22:06pm

I'm thinking of Emmett Till here.

He really didn't die in vain.

165 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:22:29pm

re: #162 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Child abusers are most frequently parents.

Therefore all parents must be abusers.

(I have a son who oddly considers hugs and kisses horrible. I keep him in line by threatening to hug and kiss him. Not making this up.)

I do that too, but my kid is now 18.

Every once in a while, he'll give me a hug, when he is feeling charitable.

I can lay my head on his chest.

I feel sooooo old.

This is why I have dogs. I can hug and cuddle all I want and they love it.

166 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:22:57pm

re: #163 jaunte

Oops, I went ahead and did it.

Talk about a low-information comment.

Who is this Tyrell who is older than 22? What does he have to do with this case?

167 b_Snark  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:24:25pm

re: #101 Madge

You're just a narcissistic flatulent a-hole.

You wish!

168 jaunte  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:24:51pm

re: #166 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I think the commenter was making deliberate mis-statements, entertaining himself by trolling.

169 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:25:26pm

re: #168 jaunte

I think the commenter was making deliberate mis-statements, entertaining himself by trolling.

Ah. Bait for those who can't resist pointing out errors.

170 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:26:45pm

‘Borat’ national anthem accidentally played for Kazakh athlete

A gold-medal winning athlete from Kazakhstan was forced to stand through a national anthem that insulted other countries and boasted of her nation's "clean prostitutes" when organizers at a shooting competition accidentally played a fake anthem from the comedy film "Borat."

Gold medalist Maria Dmitrienko never lets on that there's a problem and graciously poses for photos with the other medalists following the ceremony.

171 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:27:43pm

I for one, don't wear hoodies.

They mess-up my spine alignment when they are in the "down" position and I have to sit back in a seat or drive.

Messes up my neck big time. I don't get how people can drive with a downed hoodie.

172 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:29:16pm

So I just walked home from the store with Skittles and a drink, wearing a hoodie. Saw lots of folks on my way home. Not once did anyone look at me funny, chase me down, or try to attack me.

Guess that's the advantage of being a white Latina woman. I'm not automatically considered "suspicious". =P

173 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:29:35pm

re: #149 Tigger2005

Tell me something I don't know. I reminded him how I was robbed by my roommate, a clean-cut church-going white kid, who was arrested about two weeks later with his equally lily-white friend after a night of burglarizing houses.

As my momma always told me, you can't pick your family.

In the article here posted above, there is this that grabbed me (all of it was wonderful):

Distant memories, indeed, those days when Obama would stand before a microphone and confront the raw complexities of race head on. In 2008, having stitched his loving, bigoted white grandmother and his loving, bigoted black pastor together in a single American tapestry, he was outlining the reflexes – spasms, really – that often result when matters of race explode onto the national scene. And he was offering another option.

The anger that the Right has for him over those two people is so displaced. First, he's neither of those people, yet they were/are both near and dear to him. None of us, not one of us, buys the political or socio beliefs of our family members hook, line and sinker! In fact, oftentimes the very things we abhor in our loved ones are political or socio differences. We often (not always) end up having to learn to love them despite what they say. Much harder when it's a parent, because you only have one of each.

174 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:29:50pm

re: #171 ggt

I for one, don't wear hoodies.

They mess-up my spine alignment when they are in the "down" position and I have to sit back in a seat or drive.

Messes up my neck big time. I don't get how people can drive with a downed hoodie.

mine just sits in the gap between the seat and the headrest, but I also drive a small car and sit more upright than most

175 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:31:00pm

re: #174 windupbird is in the gravity well

mine just sits in the gap between the seat and the headrest, but I also drive a small car and sit more upright than most

I prefer to stand up with half my body through the sun roof and steer the car using some rope.

//

176 BongCrodny  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:33:02pm

re: #94 JRCMYP

A local Boston Globe reporter and neighbor of mine wrote a beautiful article today pulling together candidate-Obama's 2008 Philadelphia speech on race and Obama's 2 minute comment today on Trayvon Martin's murder.

It's worthy.
A More Perfect Union

Nice story.

Many of the comments, though are from the usual cesspool of idiots with nothing better to do than whine incessantly about reverse racism.

Do yourself a favor: read the story, and don't make the mistake I did of reading the comments.

They're not as bad as the typical Fox comments page, but I suspect that's because the Globe won't let the racist horseshit get through.

177 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:33:08pm

Cars? You have cars?

I have to drive a farm cart from 1854 with one horse with bad eyesight and another with a bad case of gout.

Luckies.

178 jaunte  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:34:27pm

re: #177 Mostly sane, most of the time.

A farm cart with wheels? Swank. We have to make forward progress by heaving our log end-over-end.

179 EdDantes  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:34:57pm

President Obama should not have commented on the case and certainly should have not brought race into it.
The accused should have a fair trial and then be executed.

180 allegro  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:35:03pm

re: #172 Lidane

So I just walked home from the store with Skittles and a drink, wearing a hoodie. Saw lots of folks on my way home. Not once did anyone look at me funny, chase me down, or try to attack me.

Guess that's the advantage of being a white Latina woman. I'm not automatically considered "suspicious". =P

You would be looked at funny in Houston doing that today. It was over 90 degrees.

181 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:35:35pm

re: #178 jaunte

A farm cart with wheels? Swank. We have to make forward progress by heaving our log end-over-end.

Oh yeah! Well when I was growing up my family lived in a little shoe box in the middle of the Garden State Parkway!

182 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:35:38pm

re: #180 allegro

You would be looked at funny in Houston doing that today. It was over 90 degrees.

We had a snow day yesterday.

183 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:36:19pm

re: #179 EdDantes

President Obama should not have commented on the case and certainly should have not brought race into it.

How did he bring race into it?

The accused should have a fair trial and then be executed.

Ghoulish and fatuous, nice combo.

184 Shvaughn  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:36:51pm

re: #179 EdDantes

President Obama should not have commented on the case and certainly should have not brought race into it.
The accused should have a fair trial and then be executed.

Well, you are wrong on 3 out of 4 things, but at least you agree Zimmerman should be tried.

185 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:38:05pm

re: #174 windupbird is in the gravity well

mine just sits in the gap between the seat and the headrest, but I also drive a small car and sit more upright than most

I have long hair and also can't drive if it is arranged in a "clippy" I have to have it down.

Sucks to be me.
:0

186 Shvaughn  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:38:19pm

re: #183 Obdicut

Don't you know? Nobody had even mentioned race in discussing this story until that awful Barack Obama started stirring up trouble.

//

187 Interesting Times  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:38:36pm

Oh how lovely. So how soon until Fox pundits/GOP presidential candidates follow suit? 9_9

Oklahoma Christian Radio Station General Manager Calls Obama ‘Dumb Ni**er’ (IMAGE)

A Facebook user named Floyd Martin was caught in an unwitting firestorm when he suggested that the President visit a steakhouse. One of his Facebook friends, local Christian radio station General Manager, Teddy Oyler, responded with these words, "Obama isnt that smart he is a dumb ni**er."

188 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:38:52pm

re: #181 Gus

Oh yeah! Well when I was growing up my family lived in a little shoe box in the middle of the Garden State Parkway!

You had to walk uphill both ways to school?

189 Four More Tears  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:38:53pm

re: #183 Obdicut

How did he bring race into it?

Ghoulish and fatuous, nice combo.

I think he was being sarcastic. Poorly. The "fair trial and be executed" line kinda gives it away.

190 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:39:02pm

re: #179 EdDantes

He also, carefully, didn't comment on the case as a case.

191 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:39:14pm

re: #180 allegro

You would be looked at funny in Houston doing that today. It was over 90 degrees.

It's in the 60's outside in Austin right now. Perfect hoodie weather.

192 jaunte  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:39:52pm

re: #179 EdDantes

Gingrich: “It’s not a question of who that young man looked like."

This is an absurd statement, since the very attribute that got Trayvon Martin pursued and shot was what he looked like.

193 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:39:56pm

re: #187 Interesting Times

Oh how lovely. So how soon until Fox pundits/GOP presidential candidates follow suit? 9_9

Oklahoma Christian Radio Station General Manager Calls Obama ‘Dumb Ni**er’ (IMAGE)

Yeah, what was that caption to the Jesus Picture?

"Did I fucking stutter?"

194 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:40:06pm

This is pathetic even for Newt and that's saying something. Newt, I know your base wants Obama criticized for everything but for once in your pathetic life show some decency.

195 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:40:08pm

re: #186 Shvaughn

Don't you know? Nobody had even mentioned race in discussing this story until that awful Barack Obama started stirring up trouble.

//

Move along! Nothing to see here!

Isn't that what the Sanford police said, basically?

196 Shvaughn  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:40:40pm

re: #189 Altar Boy of Darwinism

I think he was being sarcastic. Poorly. The "fair trial and be executed" line kinda gives it away.

It's a shame there's not some kind of, I don't know, indicator we could put on our posts to indicate when we're being sarcastic.

//

197 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:40:42pm

Oh God. There's some idiot on TV complaining about the Clean Water Act and "da government." It's like a disease.

198 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:41:45pm

re: #197 Gus

Oh God. There's some idiot on TV complaining about the Clean Water Act and "da government." It's like a disease.

"In my day, we drank pond scum... and we liked it!"

199 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:41:58pm

re: #197 Gus

Oh God. There's some idiot on TV complaining about the Clean Water Act and "da government." It's like a disease.

Is it Ron Paul? Seriously it would be nice if we could ala It's a Wonderful Life show people who bitch about the government what it would be like if government had little role in things like regulating water.

200 EdDantes  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:42:03pm

re: #183 Obdicut

How did he bring race into it?

Ghoulish and fatuous, nice combo.

President Obama said the that if he had a son he would look like Trayvan. I think that is racial. What is the ghoulish and fatuous part?

201 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:42:10pm

re: #197 Gus

Oh God. There's some idiot on TV complaining about the Clean Water Act and "da government." It's like a disease.

If Nixon was still alive he'd laugh at all these Republicans trying to call him a liberal and socialist for the Clean Air and Clean Water acts.

202 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:42:29pm

re: #198 Kragar

"In my day, we drank pond scum... and we liked it!"

Damn government making me breath clean air. I like chemicals, thank you!

203 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:42:33pm

re: #197 Gus

If you were a true patriot, you'd be happy to drink contaminated water. Stupid commie.
/

204 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:43:13pm

re: #199 HappyWarrior

Is it Ron Paul? Seriously it would be nice if we could ala It's a Wonderful Life show people who bitch about the government what it would be like if government had little role in things like regulating water.

I don't know the name of the wingnut guess. But it's on this show.

Devil's Advocate with Jon Caldara
Friday, March 23 at 8:30 pm on Channel 12.1

Devil's Advocate with Jon Caldara is a current events show not to be missed. Each week it features lively - and sometimes heated - debates between elected officials, journalists, activists, concerned citizens, subject-matter experts, and hard-pressing host Jon Caldara, president of the Independence Institute. Jon is not afraid to express his "free-market" views, and his guests are not afraid to take on those opinions. It all makes for an informative, lively public affairs program.

Yes, that is a public television station. Hilarious.

205 Shvaughn  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:43:40pm

re: #189 Altar Boy of Darwinism

I think he was being sarcastic. Poorly. The "fair trial and be executed" line kinda gives it away.

... doesn't look like he's being sarcastic after all.

206 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:43:48pm

re: #197 Gus

My take is that climate denial and bitching about the EPA is how greedy people can avoid openly admitting that they really don't give a f* what kind of world they leave behind for their kids.

207 EdDantes  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:43:53pm

re: #189 Altar Boy of Darwinism

I think he was being sarcastic. Poorly. The "fair trial and be executed" line kinda gives it away.

Thank you.

208 Interesting Times  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:44:01pm

re: #197 Gus

Oh God. There's some idiot on TV complaining about the Clean Water Act

Somebody fetch him a nice tall glass of this.

209 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:44:35pm

re: #208 Interesting Times

Somebody fetch him a nice tall glass of this.

mmmmm that looks refreshing and freedom tasting.

210 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:44:42pm

re: #206 Mich-again

My take is that climate denial and bitching about the EPA is how greedy people can avoid openly admitting that they really don't give a f* what kind of world they leave behind for their kids.

Leave behind for their kids? How about live in right now?

211 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:45:08pm

re: #208 Interesting Times

Somebody fetch him a nice tall glass of this.

Maybe a nice frosty mug of shut the fuck up, with some bitch sprinkled on top

212 Shvaughn  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:45:35pm

re: #200 EdDantes

President Obama said the that if he had a son he would look like Trayvan. I think that is racial. What is the ghoulish and fatuous part?

re: #207 EdDantes

Thank you.

Wait, which is it? Are you being sarcastic or do you really think that Obama injected race into the matter? Do you really think Zimmerman should be executed?

213 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:46:15pm

Ed, just repost it with a sarc tag at the end.

214 jaunte  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:46:36pm

This is a racial issue. Obama didn't inject anything that wasn't already there.

215 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:47:07pm

re: #210 ggt

Leave behind for their kids? How about live in right now?

True, but it hits them harder when you point out the part about their kids.

216 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:47:51pm

re: #203 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

If you were a true patriot, you'd be happy to drink contaminated water. Stupid commie.
/

Someday in the far off future it will be OK to call yourself a patriot again. Not in our lifetimes though.

//

217 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:47:56pm

re: #214 jaunte

This is a racial issue. Obama didn't inject anything that wasn't already there.

Exactly, I am sorry but let's not sugarcoat this crap. It's very unlikely this kid is shot if he's a white kid. We read much more often about unarmed young black men being shot unprovoked than young white men. It's a fact. And if some are uncomfortable with that, they need to get over that.

218 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:48:59pm

re: #215 Mich-again

Well, I don't have any kids and I don't plan too either. I guess that means I could fuck up the planet with a clear conscience then.
/

219 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:49:37pm

re: #200 EdDantes

President Obama said the that if he had a son he would look like Trayvan. I think that is racial. What is the ghoulish and fatuous part?

It is. So what? What difference does it make? That he can relate to the situation? I mean.... DUH. Is it supposed to mean that he hates white people because he can embrace his own people? Because if that's what you think, that's pretty fucked up.

220 EdDantes  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:50:13pm

President Obama should not have commented on the case and certainly should have not brought race into it.

///The accused should have a fair trial and then be executed.

221 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:50:14pm

re: #215 Mich-again

True, but it hits them harder when you point out the part about their kids.

Yeah, but it's also a much used and easily yawned-away tool for debate.

People tune out the "overused" arguments.

222 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:50:23pm

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Exactly, I am sorry but let's not sugarcoat this crap. It's very unlikely this kid is shot if he's a white kid.

Let's also not bullshit ourselves here -- if the situation had been entirely reversed, with a black vigilante wannabe stalking, chasing, and shooting an unarmed white kid in the same exact circumstances that Zimmerman shot Martin, that black vigilante would be sitting in jail right now awaiting trial for murder.

223 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:50:40pm

If anything, I'm always moved by the man's compassion.

224 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:52:07pm

I'm sensing the presence of butthurt.

225 SpaceJesus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:52:45pm

re: #220 EdDantes

does the slash mean the entire post is sarcasm or....

226 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:53:29pm

re: #225 SpaceJesus

does the slash mean the entire post is sarcasm or...

arghhhhhhh!

227 EdDantes  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:54:21pm

re: #212 Shvaughn

re: #207 EdDantes

Wait, which is it? Are you being sarcastic or do you really think that Obama injected race into the matter? Do you really think Zimmerman should be executed?

I think Obama injected race into this. Zimmerman should be given a fair trial.
Further, the Florida "stand you ground law" was not intended to be a "007" law.

228 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:54:49pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

Okay, I admit it. I had an overly spicy lunch and now I'm paying for it.

229 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:55:25pm

I just blocked townhall.com in Adsense, after seeing a "Defund Planned Parenthood" ad on my site. Fuck those people. I'll go homeless before I accept their money.

230 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:56:08pm

re: #229 Charles Johnson

I just blocked townhall.com in Adsense, after seeing a "Defund Planned Parenthood" ad on my site. Fuck those people. I'll go homeless before I accept their money.

THANK YOU!

I was wondering . . .

231 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:56:12pm

Every time the clown car stops it backfires a couple times..

232 freetoken  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:56:30pm

re: #197 Gus

It's like a disease.

Also known as WND: Wingnut Neurotic Disorder.

233 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:57:26pm

re: #227 EdDantes

I think Obama injected race into this. Zimmerman should be given a fair trial.
Further, the Florida "stand you ground law" was not intended to be a "007" law.

The Dems in Florida fought against this law. Since 2005 when it was enacted, "justifiable homicides" have increased 3 fold. It's very much 007.

[Link: miami.cbslocal.com...]

[Link: www.palmbeachpost.com...]

[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

234 dragonfire1981  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:58:18pm

I wonder how GWB would have reacted to this if he were still in office?

235 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:59:56pm

re: #229 Charles Johnson

Fuckin' A!

236 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:00:08pm

re: #233 Madge

The Dems in Florida fought against this law. Since 2005 when it was enacted, "justifiable homicides" have increased 3 fold. It's very much 007.

[Link: miami.cbslocal.com...]

[Link: www.palmbeachpost.com...]

[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

So, if it was truly meant as a deterrent, it isn't working is it?

hmmmmm

237 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:00:20pm

re: #232 freetoken

Also known as WND: Wingnut Neurotic Disorder.

Wingnut = y = ex

238 jaunte  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:01:10pm

re: #236 ggt

It's designed to increase gun sales.

239 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:01:49pm

re: #236 ggt

So, if it was truly meant as a deterrent, it isn't working is it?

hmmm

Was it meant as a deterrent? I don't think so. The gun lobby is huge here in FL.

240 Ben G. Hazi  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:01:55pm

re: #227 EdDantes

I think Obama injected race into this. Zimmerman should be given a fair trial.
Further, the Florida "stand you ground law" was not intended to be a "007" law.

That's bullshit and you (should) know it; everything from Zimmerman's choice of who to pursue, accost, and shoot dead to the Sanford PD's response and actions from the moment of the shooting onward stinks to high heaven. Race was there from the beginning, as sad, angry, and frustrated as it makes me and should make you; if one can't see that reality, I can't do anything for them.

President Obama was making a personal comment, seeing as he IS black and all, and I thought it was spot on. As much as I'd like Zimmerman to go to trial and get life in the pen, the fucked-up SYG law and the actions of the Sanford PD may get him off, so I hope the Martin family takes everything he's got and will ever have in a civil trial, because it may be the only semblance of justice they'll ever get for the senseless loss of their son.

241 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:02:18pm

re: #238 jaunte

It's designed to increase gun sales.

Pretty much the exact opposite.

242 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:03:28pm

Peak wingnut is the point in time when the maximum rate of domestic wingnut extremism is reached, after which the rate of wingnut extremism enters terminal decline.

243 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:05:39pm

re: #242 Gus

Peak wingnut is the point in time when the maximum rate of domestic wingnut extremism is reached, after which the rate of wingnut extremism enters terminal decline.

I think we're already past the inflection point. It may still be increasing but at a decreasing rate.

244 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:06:42pm

re: #242 Gus

Peak wingnut is the point in time when the maximum rate of domestic wingnut extremism is reached, after which the rate of wingnut extremism enters terminal decline.

Flawed hypothesis. There is no top-end maximum for wingnut extremism. Quit trying to trick us.

245 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:09:10pm

Geez, talk about being irrelevant...

246 EdDantes  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:09:25pm

re: #240 talon_262

That's bullshit and you (should) know it; everything from Zimmerman's choice of who to pursue, accost, and shoot dead to the Sanford PD response from the moment of the shooting stinks to high heaven. Race was there from the beginning, sad, angry, and frustrated as it makes me and should make you; if one can't see that reality, I can't do anything for them.

President Obama was making a personal comment, seeing as he IS black and all, and I thought it was spot on. As much as I'd like Zimmerman to go to trial, the fucked-up SYG law and the actions of the Sanford PD may get him off, so I hope the Martin family also takes everything he's got and will have in a civil trial.

Obama injected race into this. A president should not be commenting on pending prosecutions. From what I understand, Zimmerman stalked and killed that young man regardless of his motivation.

247 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:09:59pm

re: #243 Mich-again

I think we're already past the inflection point. It may still be increasing but at a decreasing rate.

It's still rising at y = ex. Others such as Slumbering Behemoth Stinks [244] suggest that there is no high end maximum but is infinite in its growth potential. One could say that they are constantly "drilling here and drilling now" providing more energy to maintain a continually upward trajectory.

//

248 SpaceJesus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:10:11pm

re: #246 EdDantes

pending prosecution?

249 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:12:08pm

re: #246 EdDantes

No charges have been filed..

250 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:13:34pm

re: #227 EdDantes

I think Obama injected race into this. Zimmerman should be given a fair trial.
Further, the Florida "stand you ground law" was not intended to be a "007" law.

"None so blind as those that will not see"

251 Interesting Times  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:13:46pm

re: #246 EdDantes

Obama injected race into this.

Do you agree with Newt's comments, then?

252 SpaceJesus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:13:58pm

obviously zimmerman said "fucking kuhs" referring of course to the german word for cow as he chased down a black kid then shot him

253 EdDantes  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:14:42pm

Space and Mich, I am assuming there will be a prosecution. I was wrong for stating that there is a prosecution as fact.

254 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:15:00pm

re: #246 EdDantes

Obama injected race into this. A president should not be commenting on pending prosecutions. From what I understand, Zimmerman stalked and killed that young man regardless of his motivation.

255 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:15:12pm

re: #246 EdDantes

Obama injected race into this.

You keep making this statement. Please explain what about Obama's statement constitutes an "injection of race" in specific terms.

256 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:16:00pm

Apparently Condi Rice "injected race into this." Would anyone be saying GWB injected race into anything if he said the victim of a crime or war "would be just like my son?" I don't think so.

257 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:16:12pm

Obama didn't inject anything.

He stated the obvious.

Race was the motivator for the crime and I think everyone knows that by now.

258 freetoken  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:16:20pm

re: #252 SpaceJesus

Close, but it was really "fucking Kuhn", obviously distressed at reading some of Thomas Kuhn's work in philosophy.

259 SpaceJesus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:16:45pm

re: #252 SpaceJesus

or perhaps he was referring to the cows of fucking, austria. zimmerman is a german name after all.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]


boom. hire me, zimmerman, we're getting you acquitted

260 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:17:42pm

re: #254 Gus

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I think Condi is an awesome communicator.

261 EdDantes  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:17:48pm

re: #251 Interesting Times

Do you agree with Newt's comments, then?

No, but I agree that President Obama should not have commented on the case.

262 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:17:57pm

re: #258 freetoken

Close, but it was really "fucking Kuhn", obviously distressed at reading some of Thomas Kuhn's work in philosophy.

Or "Fucking De Kooning," because his abstractic expressionism is just way pretentious.

263 bubba zanetti  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:18:01pm

re: #258 freetoken

It was "fucking Coos", the weather that night reminded him of coastal Oregon.

264 BongCrodny  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:18:12pm

re: #247 Gus

It's still rising at y = ex. Others such as Slumbering Behemoth Stinks [244] suggest that there is no high end maximum but is infinite in its growth potential. One could say that they are constantly "drilling here and drilling now" providing more energy to maintain a continually upward trajectory.

//

If the whole "we need fewer kids going to college" concept comes to pass, we're looking at wingnut reserves the size of Alaska.

265 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:18:17pm

re: #83 ggt

Why do we love giraffe behavior they way we do?

[Link: www.zooborns.com...]

Because giraffes are kind of silly looking, and because we all love Floral.

266 Ben G. Hazi  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:18:23pm

re: #246 EdDantes

Obama injected race into this. A president should not be commenting on pending prosecutions. From what I understand, Zimmerman stalked and killed that young man regardless of his motivation.

Whatever, Ed...if you want to believe that race wasn't a part of this whole affair before President Obama made a (relatively innocuous) personal remark about the poor kid, then I can't reason with you.

As far as Zimmerman's motivation to pursue and shoot Trayvon Martin dead in the street, I think those "they always get away" and "fucking coons" remarks of his on that 911 tape are as clear as Waterford crystal. Because of those comments, the DoJ will hopefully have his ass in the dock on federal charges, because as it stands now, the locals aren't doing jack shit.

267 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:18:32pm

Katrina anyone?

268 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:18:47pm

re: #246 EdDantes

Obama injected race into this. A president should not be commenting on pending prosecutions. From what I understand, Zimmerman stalked and killed that young man regardless of his motivation.

When an unarmed black minor is stalked and killed, left unidentified for three days in the morgue, when no effort is taken to canvas the community he was killed in to find out who he was, and the police go out of their way to correct a witness to feed her the shooter's version of events, it's automatically injected with race. You seem to be pretending that this society's historical valuation of blacks is immaterial, that it's somehow inappropriate to mention the elephant in the room, to acknowledge the painfully obvious thing that's on everyone's minds, whether they have the honesty to admit it or not.

269 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:19:35pm

Hitchens - free speech


Fire! Fire! Fire!
270 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:19:47pm

re: #261 EdDantes

No, but I agree that President Obama should not have commented on the case.

But how specifically has he injected race into this case?

271 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:20:05pm

Bush I and II were dissed because they didn't show compassion during the Rodney King/LA Riots incident and Hurricane Katrina respectively.

Regardless of what decorum or policy we THINK a POTUS should obey, citizens want and need to see him respond to what we think of as important.

272 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:21:15pm

re: #269 Killgore Trout

Hitchens - free speech

[Embedded content]
Fire! Fire! Fire!

Silly liberals
/

273 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:21:48pm

Silly KT.
:P

274 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:21:53pm

re: #253 EdDantes

Space and Mich, I am assuming there will be a prosecution. I was wrong for stating that there is a prosecution as fact.

Well there sure won't be a prosecution if no charges are brought.

275 Ben G. Hazi  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:22:47pm

re: #271 ggt

Bush I and II were dissed because they didn't show compassion during the Rodney King/LA Riots incident and Hurricane Katrina respectively.

Regardless of what decorum or policy we THINK a POTUS should obey, citizens want and need to see him respond to what we think of as important.

Whatever Ed seems to think, President Obama was and is "damned if he did, damned if he didn't" comment on this.

276 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:23:38pm

Rodney King/LA Riots and Hurricane Katrina were both infused with racial issues. I am glad we finally have a POTUS who can communicate this. I hope he has set a precedence that will allow non-dark-skinned politicians to address the issue without being maligned.

There so much fear surrounding racial issues, Politicians see talking openly about reality in this country as a total no-no.

And, it has to stop.

We are American's, we have to get over it and accept that we are what we are.

277 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:24:10pm

re: #268 goddamnedfrank

When an unarmed black minor is stalked and killed, left unidentified for three days in the morgue, when no effort is taken to canvas the community he was killed in to find out who he was, and the police go out of their way to correct a witness to feed her the shooter's version of events, it's automatically injected with race. You seem to be pretending that this society's historical valuation of blacks is immaterial, that it's somehow inappropriate to mention the elephant in the room, to acknowledge the painfully obvious thing that's on everyone's minds, whether they have the honesty to admit it or not.

Must Concur. This case purely stinks. The Sanford police didn't simply throw up their hands in resignation when Zimmerman claimed self defense, they went out of their way to protect him. There were things they could have done to determine if they could find probable cause to arrest Zimmerman, but they did none of them.

278 Ben G. Hazi  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:24:10pm

Whoops...

279 EdDantes  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:25:12pm

re: #268 goddamnedfrank

When an unarmed black minor is stalked and killed, left unidentified for three days in the morgue, when no effort is taken to canvas the community he was killed in to find out who he was, and the police go out of their way to correct a witness to feed her the shooter's version of events, it's automatically injected with race. You seem to be pretending that this society's historical valuation of blacks is immaterial, that it's somehow inappropriate to mention the elephant in the room, to acknowledge the painfully obvious thing that's on everyone's minds, whether they have the honesty to admit it or not.

I'm not defending the police. You know what I think about the shooting. I was writing a bout the killers motivation (which I don't know) and President Obama's comments.

280 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:25:57pm

re: #276 ggt

Rodney King/LA Riots and Hurricane Katrina were both infused with racial issues. I am glad we finally have a POTUS who can communicate this. I hope he has set a precedence that will allow non-dark-skinned politicians to address the issue without being maligned.

There so much fear surrounding racial issues, Politicians see talking openly about reality in this country as a total no-no.

And, it has to stop.

We are American's, we have to get over it and accept that we are what we are.

Which, I might add, is what Condi does so well.

Yeah, I'm a Condi fan.

281 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:26:24pm

re: #261 EdDantes

No, but I agree that President Obama should not have commented on the case.

I don't agree. This is a very emotionally charged issue that has the potential to become a dangerous powder keg. I think what Obama did with his comment was to assure the American people that the POTUS understands and shares their concerns about such issues.

282 b_Snark  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:27:02pm

There was a post up above that linked to a strange screed listing what should be included in a 'fair and balanced' MSM articles about the Obama reign.

In the screed was a comment and a link to another article about the revised costs of Obamacare and the comparison of the 2010 and 2012 CBO estimates. The main claim was that the new 10 year estimate of 1.76 trillion is almost double the previous estimate of 940 billion, a difference of 87%. This is a humdinger of a lie.

The first misrepresentation is the change from billions to trillions.
940 billion looks a lot smaller than 1.76 trillion because of the emotional jump from billion to trillion. Change it to 1760 billion and that emotional jump isn't there.

Here's the lie.
The 2010 estimate covers the 10 years from 2010 to 2019.
The 2012 estimate covers the 11 years from 2012 to 2022.

If the comparison is ten years, the 2012 estimate = 1495 billion a difference of 59%.

However if we compare what should be compared, the years where both estimate contain values, the story is completely different.
The 2010 8 year estimate = 933 billion
The 2012 8 year estimate = 1011 billion
That is an 8% difference.

The last problem with the RWNJ analysis is they use the gross figures not the net figures.
The 2010 8 year estimate = 784 billion
The 2012 8 year estimate = 772 billion
That is an -2% difference.

Spreadsheet Figures

283 EdDantes  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:27:05pm

re: #274 Mich-again

Well there sure won't be a prosecution if no charges are brought.

Ya know, that's really true.

284 Ben G. Hazi  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:27:08pm

re: #279 EdDantes

I'm not defending the police. You know what I think about the shooting. I was writing a bout the killers motivation (which I don't know) and President Obama's comments.

Just keep tapdancing around the facts as we know them in regards to Zimmerman's possible motivations, the Sanford PD's actions from the outset, and about what President Obama was expected to say about the matter.

285 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:29:37pm

re: #275 talon_262

Whatever Ed seems to think, President Obama was and is "damned if he did, damned if he didn't" comment on this.

Well of course he was going to catch heat from Newt's ilk on this matter; Barack Obama is guilty of "Being President While Black".

286 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:29:54pm

re: #279 EdDantes

Obama comforted a grieving family.

Are you really so scared about discussing the institutionalized racism in the legal and justice system that you're going to attack him for that?

Beggars belief.

287 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:30:47pm

Oy. One of my friends in high school was interviewed by CNN about Zimmerman. He defended him.
:/

288 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:31:02pm

Plus. Trayvon was a minor. Hello!

289 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:31:23pm

re: #285 Dark_Falcon

Well of course he was going to catch heat from Newt's ilk on this matter; Barack Obama is guilty of "Being President While Black".

"Being POTUS while black, muslim and a non-citizen AND ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN THINK OF TO DISQUALIFY HIM FROM THE OFFICE."

AHHHHHHH!

290 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:31:27pm

re: #279 EdDantes

I'm not defending the police. You know what I think about the shooting. I was writing a bout the killers motivation (which I don't know) and President Obama's comments.

And where did the "injection of race" occur in Obama's statement?

291 freetoken  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:31:36pm

re: #282 Narcissistic Flatulent A-hole

Numbers iz hard.

292 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:32:25pm

re: #291 freetoken

Numbers iz hard.

There should be no math on FNDT.

293 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:32:31pm

re: #279 EdDantes

I'm not defending the police. You know what I think about the shooting. I was writing a bout the killers motivation (which I don't know) and President Obama's comments.

You weren't talking about the killer's motivation though, you were talking about Obama's message to Martin's parents. Maybe you conflated the two because you have a lazy intellect and the obvious difference escapes you, but Obama never once mentioned Zimmerman or what drove him. Obama simply sought a way to identify with the victim's parents.

Anyway, regardless the police response itself was about race. The undeniable fact is that they simply didn't see Trayvon as a person who's death really mattered, who deserved their professional best. They didn't devalue him because he was young, or because he was wearing a hoodie, they didn't give a shit because he was black. You can deny this, ignore it or spread it on toast, I don't care. It's as obvious to me as the rising sun.

294 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:33:34pm

re: #286 Obdicut

Obama comforted a grieving family.

Are you really so scared about discussing the institutionalized racism in the legal and justice system that you're going to attack him for that?

Beggars belief.

It's stunning, really. President Obama says "It could have been my son," and right wingers attack him for "injecting race into the discussion."

And they don't even seem to realize that by doing so, they're shining a big bright light on THEIR OWN RACIST ASSUMPTIONS.

It's almost funny, in a not-funny way.

295 palomino  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:33:35pm

re: #246 EdDantes

Obama injected race into this. A president should not be commenting on pending prosecutions. From what I understand, Zimmerman stalked and killed that young man regardless of his motivation.

Race was already part of this. Obama didn't inject anything that wasn't already there. If you can't see that, you're either ignorant of US history or live on another planet. Saying, "My son would look like him," is a pretty tepid observation on his part, hardly anything pernicious, just a reality.

Why would you want to disregard Zimmerman's motivation? Isn't it through trying to understand tragedies like this that maybe future ones can be averted?

Where do you get this idea that a president should never comment on pending prosecutions? If he were to say, "the guy's guilty, fry him," that would be one thing. But a president has an obligation to at least address controversial topics that have the nation (and much of the world) transfixed, particularly when his DOJ is investigating. He can't just pretend like it doesn't exist. (BTW, Clinton commented on the OJ trial, the most controversial of his admin....was that wrong of him to acknowledge an issue that so deeply divided the nation?)

296 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:33:40pm

re: #291 freetoken

Numbers iz hard.

Well, yes.

Next question?

297 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:34:44pm

1 + 1 = 3

I think it's in a song.

:0

298 EdDantes  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:34:49pm

re: #284 talon_262

Just keep tapdancing around the facts as we know them in regards to Zimmerman's possible motivations and about what President Obama was expected to say about the matter.

I don't tap dance. Do you read? I don't know Zimmerman's motivation. Obama did not need to comment.

299 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:35:02pm

re: #279 EdDantes

I'm not defending the police. You know what I think about the shooting. I was writing a bout the killers motivation (which I don't know) and President Obama's comments.

Comments that were not out of line, really. It's true Obama drew inferences, but they were inferences that were reasonable to draw. Nothing wrong with that at all. It's only when dishonest inferences are made that inferences become a problem. Inferences like Newt's deliberate misreading of Barack Obama and Mitt Romney's support for the basic idea of a social safety net as those men thinking it was "OK for people to be on food stamps".

300 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:35:15pm

re: #290 The Ghost of a Flea

And where did the "injection of race" occur in Obama's statement?

When he stated that if he had a son, his son would look like Trayvon, which in my mind is not an injection of race, but an injection of sympathy and understanding.

301 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:35:28pm

re: #285 Dark_Falcon

Well of course he was going to catch heat from Newt's ilk on this matter; Barack Obama is guilty of "Being President While Black".

DF, you've been rather amazing of late. Honorable, still conservative, but decent. I am reminded, and this is a complement, of former Governor Dreyfus up here in Wisconsin. Given my state's troubles, I can only wish that there were more like you in your party.

302 b_Snark  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:35:31pm

re: #297 ggt

1 + 1 = 3

I think it's in a song.

:0

Pie = 3.14159 inches.

303 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:35:32pm

re: #273 +1 Adidas Hoodie of Justice

Silly KT.
:P

I'll be in hell with the finest of company. Silly bastards all.

304 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:36:07pm

re: #300 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

When he stated that if he had a son, his son would look like Trayvon, which in my mind is not an injection of race, but an injection of sympathy and understanding.

Well, there you go. Sympathy and understanding aren't exactly wingnut strong points

305 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:36:10pm

re: #297 ggt

1 + 1 = 3

I think it's in a song.

:0

That's not math.

That's biology.

306 b_Snark  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:37:17pm

re: #305 Mostly sane, most of the time.

That's not math.

That's biology.

You anti-gay nimrod.

307 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:37:22pm

re: #301 William Barnett-Lewis

DF, you've been rather amazing of late. Honorable, still conservative, but decent. I am reminded, and this is a complement, of former Governor Dreyfus up here in Wisconsin. Given my state's troubles, I can only wish that there were more like you in your party.

That was a very nice thing to say. DF is always a gentleman.

I just wish more like him realized the party as left the gentlemen behind.

308 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:37:48pm

re: #294 Charles Johnson

It's stunning, really. President Obama says "It could have been my son," and right wingers attack him for "injecting race into the discussion."

And they don't even seem to realize that by doing so, they're shining a big bright light on THEIR OWN RACIST ASSUMPTIONS.

It's almost funny, in a not-funny way.

Projecting. I don't know but I was just thinking. Is this response to Obama's statement fall into some aspect of Critical Race Theory? They're obviously injecting race into it themselves which display a constant state of racialism. We know many of these people are downright white nationalists or anglocentrics. No empathy obviously. They can't even connect with his statement on a paternal level.

309 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:39:00pm

re: #302 Narcissistic Flatulent A-hole

Pie = 3.14159 inches.

Pi has no dimension..

310 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:39:19pm

re: #302 Narcissistic Flatulent A-hole

Pie = 3.14159 inches.

Yep. That's about as far as I ever got. East string to remember. Otherwise I just hit the pi button on my calculator.

311 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:39:43pm

I completely grossed out a bunch of middle school aged boys when I explained the difference between viviparous and oviviparous births to them last Tuesday.

I think it was repeated use of the word placenta.

Pretty sure it wasn't the explanation that if one baby shark emerges from a oviviparous birth, it wasn't because he/she was the only egg fertilized. The shark's nickname is "Winner."

Actually, it might have been the young man who decided to comment that some animals eat their placentas.

Either way, they were eager to go back to gills and scales.

312 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:39:53pm

re: #307 ggt

That was a very nice thing to say. DF is always a gentleman.

I just wish more like him realized the party as left the gentlemen behind.

Hell, I'm not even a gentleman, and the party has left me behind.

313 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:40:17pm

Oh noes, I injected race into STO!
Image: screenshot_2012-03-23-21-30-46.jpg
/

314 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:41:24pm

re: #313 +1 Adidas Hoodie of Justice

Oh noes, I injected race into STO!
Image: screenshot_2012-03-23-21-30-46.jpg
/

I like the low-poly saucer. ;)

315 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:41:26pm

re: #313 +1 Adidas Hoodie of Justice

If there are any wingnut Klingons out there, you are so screwed.

316 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:41:52pm

re: #298 EdDantes

I don't tap dance. Do you read? I don't know Zimmerman's motivation. Obama did not need to comment.

Yes, he did. The story has attracted national media attention and his Attorney General has announced an investigation. He'd look weird if he did not comment.

317 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:42:02pm

re: #315 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

If there are any wingnut Klingons out there, you are so screwed.

Hmm. Is that possible? I mean. Are they even social conservatives?

318 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:42:27pm

re: #314 Gus

I like the low-poly saucer. ;)

Yep. They haven't updated the model since release. Looks bad compared to other ships. But, it's a classic.

319 freetoken  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:42:38pm

re: #294 Charles Johnson

I would be stunned, but I don't think I can be stunned by this kind of stuff anymore.

That someone would think this issue, which is overflowing with racial aspects from the very beginning and which has snowballed into a big national public brouhaha full of nasty racial stuff being flung hither and thither, can somehow be made "racial" by having the President comment on it after all the above has already happen - well, that's just daffy.

320 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:42:45pm

re: #308 Gus

Projecting. I don't know but I was just thinking. Is this response to Obama's statement fall into some aspect of Critical Race Theory? They're obviously injecting race into it themselves which display a constant state of racialism. We know many of these people are downright white nationalists or anglocentrics. No empathy obviously. They can't even connect with his statement on a paternal level.

EXACTLY! I look at that picture of Trayvon and think, what an adorable boy. Can you imagine what he looked like when he was 3? OMG! all my motherly instincts go on full charge.

(I seem to be doing this alot lately, as my own son is turning 18 --all the under 30's to me seem like children --I think it started when my neighbor's kid joined the Marines)

He could be my kid, my nephew, my cousin, my neighbor's kid who I got to babysit when he was little. . . .

Like I said before do these people live under a rock?

321 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:44:01pm

re: #317 Gus

Hmm. Is that possible? I mean. Are they even social conservatives?

Well, they are incredibly reactionary...

322 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:44:42pm

re: #301 William Barnett-Lewis

DF, you've been rather amazing of late. Honorable, still conservative, but decent. I am reminded, and this is a complement, of former Governor Dreyfus up here in Wisconsin. Given my state's troubles, I can only wish that there were more like you in your party.

Thank you for that, even if it came from a low down Aaron Rogers loving Cheesehead.

/If football is getting as much attention as it is right now, Cook County law requires that I taunt any Packers fan I encounter at least once.

323 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:44:44pm

re: #294 Charles Johnson

It's stunning, really. President Obama says "It could have been my son," and right wingers attack him for "injecting race into the discussion."

And they don't even seem to realize that by doing so, they're shining a big bright light on THEIR OWN RACIST ASSUMPTIONS.

It's almost funny, in a not-funny way.

I'm 32 going on thirty three and white as that asparagus they grow in caves. I have no kids, but I have nieces and nephews...and making the empathetic leap of what worries and pain I've experienced--combined with an understanding of how much worse it must be for that other family.

When a teenager dies these days, I think, "by the numbers, that person could almost be my child." It's human, a cognitive easing, to empathize by imagining a comparable situation.

324 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:44:49pm

re: #298 EdDantes

I don't tap dance. Do you read? I don't know Zimmerman's motivation. Obama did not need to comment.

Obama did not comment on Zimmerman's motivations. How many times is this going to have to be stated before you begin to comprehend it?

325 Shvaughn  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:45:43pm

re: #315 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

If there are any wingnut Klingons out there, you are so screwed.

The IKV Rick Santorum.

326 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:45:56pm

I see a kid in a hoodie in my town and my first thought is "do I know him?"

ITS A KID!

and after working retail in my community I find that all kids (young people) will react pretty much the same if you act like a mom to them.

They get all shy and say "maam".

It's really kind of cute.

327 EdDantes  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:46:35pm

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

Yes, he did. The story has attracted national media attention and his Attorney General has announced an investigation. He'd look weird if he did not comment.

Wrong DF. The president should not be commenting on cases other than saying it has been referred to the AG's office.

328 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:46:41pm

re: #315 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

If there are any wingnut Klingons out there, you are so screwed.

I'll warp into a PVE/PVP war zone and see if I get jumped.
Lol.

329 palomino  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:46:44pm

re: #298 EdDantes

I don't tap dance. Do you read? I don't know Zimmerman's motivation. Obama did not need to comment.

So Obama just shouldn't acknowledge the biggest national news story of the last week? A story drawing attention around the world, and he shouldn't comment at all?

Furthermore, the idea that he shouldn't address racial matters is absurd. All our modern presidents have spoken about race, some more eloquently than others, but it's an issue that can't be ignored by the president of a country with a history like ours.

330 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:46:52pm

re: #324 goddamnedfrank

Obama did not comment on Zimmerman's motivations. How many times is this going to have to be stated before you begin to comprehend it?

As many times as he posts. He's being deliberately obtuse.

331 Shvaughn  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:46:52pm

re: #324 goddamnedfrank

Obama did not comment on Zimmerman's motivations. How many times is this going to have to be stated before you begin to comprehend it?

Maybe he's looking at what Gingrich said about what Obama said, and didn't actually look at what Obama really said?

332 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:47:23pm

re: #321 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Well, they are incredibly reactionary...

Libertarian nationalists. Was seeing that a couple of months ago. I think they have political parties like that in Poland. The Tea Party is of course another form of libertarian nationalism.

333 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:48:34pm

re: #332 Gus

Libertarian nationalists. Was seeing that a couple of months ago. I think they have political parties like that in Poland. The Tea Party is of course another form of libertarian nationalism.

Us vs Them mindset.

Doesn't seem to have the best outcome if history is any indication.

334 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:49:22pm

re: #327 EdDantes

Wrong DF. The president should not be commenting on cases other than saying it has been referred to the AG's office.

Please explain your repeated assertion that Obama "injected race" into this case.

335 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:49:46pm

re: #327 EdDantes

Wrong DF. The president should not be commenting on cases other than saying it has been referred to the AG's office.

Baloney! Jimmy Carter didn't limit himself to that, neither did Ronald Reagan, nor Bill Clinton, nor either President Bush. I think I'll comment on your DERP with a Star Wars quote:

"I don't know where you get your delusions, laser-brain."

336 prairiefire  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:49:57pm

re: #319 freetoken

It is certainly selective and reflexive.

337 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:50:06pm

re: #331 Shvaughn

Maybe he's looking at what Gingrich said about what Obama said, and didn't actually look at what Obama really said?

It's the derp version of the telephone game. Obama says something innocuous like "Good morning America" and after several iterations down the line it comes out at the other end as "MY PENIS HURTS!!!"

338 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:50:20pm

Turns out Newt said even more dumb things today Louisiana.. Gingrich: It's Obama's fault people think he's Muslim

I think it is very bizarre that he is desperately concerned to apologize to Muslim religious fanatics while they are killing young Americans, while at the same time going to war against the Catholic Church and against every right-to-life Protestant organization in the country. I just think it's a very strange value system," Gingrich added.

Then, asked whether it concerned him that many people continue to believe Obama is Muslim, Gingrich replied, "It should bother the president. Why does the president behave the way that people would think that? You have to ask, why would they believe that? It's not because they're stupid.

True, its more a mix of racist and stupid.

339 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:51:01pm

re: #326 ggt

I see a kid in a hoodie in my town and my first thought is "do I know him?"

ITS A KID!

and after working retail in my community I find that all kids (young people) will react pretty much the same if you act like a mom to them.

They get all shy and say "maam".

It's really kind of cute.

If is dark out I am ready to yell at them for walking around alone after dark. Even white kids are pretty much invisible with their hoodies up and could get easily hit by a car. AND you know they aren't paying attention to traffic!

I actually told a mom in the neighborhood to make sure her kids wear something that can be seen after dark. Her kids were crossing the main street and I almost didn't see them.

Scared the shit out of me.

340 jaunte  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:51:04pm

re: #338 Mich-again

Why does the president behave the way that people would think that?

Amazing.

341 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:51:10pm

re: #325 Shvaughn

The IKV Rick Santorum.

Naming a space craft after a person who denies the validity of science must be a violation of some law, some where.

342 EdDantes  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:51:20pm

re: #324 goddamnedfrank

Obama did not comment on Zimmerman's motivations. How many times is this going to have to be stated before you begin to comprehend it?

I did not say that Obama commented on Zimmerman's motivation! Please read what I wrote. And please don't question my comprehension; it seems to be better than yours.

343 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:52:41pm

re: #325 Shvaughn

The IKV Rick Santorum.

Forgive my inner nerd...
It's IKS.

344 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:53:04pm

I'm off,

Have a great evening and don't try anymore math tonite.

345 jaunte  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:53:05pm

Hitchens and Milton want us to stop censoring ourselves.

346 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:53:54pm

re: #341 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Naming a space craft after a person who denies the validity of science must be a violation of some law, some where.

Its a garbage scow.

347 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:54:06pm

re: #345 jaunte

Hitchens and Milton want us to stop censoring ourselves.

Boxers = off!

348 Interesting Times  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:54:17pm

re: #342 EdDantes

I did not say that Obama commented on Zimmerman's motivation! Please read what I wrote. And please don't question my comprehension; it seems to be better than yours.

Really? Then why can't you "comprehend" - and answer - The Ghost of a Flea's question?

Please explain your repeated assertion that Obama "injected race" into this case.

349 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:54:23pm

re: #341 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Naming a space craft after a person who denies the validity of science must be a violation of some law, some where.

Temporal inversions are no laughing matter!

350 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:55:06pm

re: #343 +1 Adidas Hoodie of Justice

re: #346 Kragar

I've never been happier to be ignorant of a certain subject. You Trekkies creep me out.
/

351 jaunte  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:55:10pm

re: #346 Kragar

Nostromo-Santorum?

352 b_Snark  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:55:16pm

re: #310 Gus

Yep. That's about as far as I ever got. East string to remember. Otherwise I just hit the pi button on my calculator.

That's the width of the smallest piece of blueberry pie I'll cut.

353 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:55:30pm

re: #327 EdDantes

Wrong DF. The president should not be commenting on cases other than saying it has been referred to the AG's office.

Where does it say that the US Constitution? What are we going to do, impeach him? Disbar him if he broke the Illinois Code of Ethics? Sometimes presidents break the "rules". In fact, most Americans love a leader that breaks the "rules" from time to time. It shows gumption, spontaneity, initiative, drive, endurance. You know GWB used to break the "rules" all the time and I constantly looked the other way. Obama would have to break a heck of a lot more "rules" to catch up with Georgie.

354 Kragar  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:55:47pm

re: #350 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

re: #346 Kragar

I've never been happier to be ignorant of a certain subject. You Trekkies creep me out.
/

Trekkie? I KEEL YOU!

355 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:56:06pm

re: #350 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

re: #346 Kragar

I've never been happier to be ignorant of a certain subject. You Trekkies creep me out.
/

Blame my mom.

356 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:56:26pm

re: #345 jaunte

Hitchens and Milton want us to stop censoring ourselves.

Oh. You mean I should start talking about my La Cosa Nostra fantasies?

357 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:56:33pm

re: #347 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Boxers = off!

Pants are oppression, shoes are slavery.

358 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:56:46pm

re: #354 Kragar

Geez, you Trekkies sure are sensitive.
:P

359 palomino  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:56:53pm

re: #338 Mich-again

Turns out Newt said even more dumb things today Louisiana.. Gingrich: It's Obama's fault people think he's Muslim

True, its more a mix of racist and stupid.

How the once mighty have fallen. 20 years ago Gingrich was the leader of the GOP Revolution. Now he's a bloated shell of his former self, pandering to the lowest common denominator in a truly pointless campaign. He's won only two states (his home and a state next door) largely by race and religion baiting. The rest of the time he's battling Ron Paul for last place. Only an ego that matches his girth keeps him in the race. He's so desperate for relevance he pushes his comments to 11 every day now.

360 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:56:54pm

re: #337 goddamnedfrank

It's the derp version of the telephone game. Obama says something innocuous like "Good morning America" and after several iterations down the line it comes out at the other end as "MY PENIS HURTS!!!"

Favorited. That's an excellent definition of deliberate misinterpretation right there, coupled with a solid reference to the definition of butthurt.

361 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:57:08pm

re: #356 Gus

Oh. You mean I should start talking about my La Cosa Nostra fantasies?

That a certain kind of offer?

362 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:57:40pm

re: #361 +1 Adidas Hoodie of Justice

That a certain kind of offer?

Might be who knows, who's asking?

//

363 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:57:47pm

re: #356 Gus

Oh. You mean I should start talking about my La Cosa Nostra fantasies?

I have only one...

No more La Cosa Nostra.

364 freetoken  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:58:02pm

re: #359 palomino

Newtie's ego is so desperate to get the spotlight back on him that it looks like it will drive Newtie to say just about anything.

365 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:58:30pm

re: #363 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I have only one...

No more La Cosa Nostra.

Nah. Freedom of association. Says so in the US Constitution.

//

366 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:58:31pm

Actually, we should be grateful for Newt. If he had left the race when it was apparent he couldn't win, like a normal human being, we might be facing the possibility of a Santorum candidacy.

High Farce is only funny as an art form, not in politics.

367 Shvaughn  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:59:12pm

re: #343 +1 Adidas Hoodie of Justice

Forgive my inner nerd...
It's IKS.

Oh, right, IKV looked wrong but I didn't look it up.

368 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 8:59:43pm

re: #359 palomino

That was awfully tough on "Poppin Fresh" Gingrich.

369 jaunte  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:00:02pm

Tonight in orbit:

In a series of Twitter updates on Friday night, NASA said a hunk of junk from a Russian satellite was expected to fly past the space station at a distance of 23 kilometers (14.3 miles) at around 2:38 a.m. ET Saturday.
[Link: cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com...]

370 prairiefire  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:00:56pm

re: #357 Killgore Trout

Pants are oppression, shoes are slavery.

Don't get me started on bras.

371 SpaceJesus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:01:01pm

off to play the thirsty games

372 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:04:02pm

re: #353 Gus

You know GWB used to break the "rules" all the time and I constantly looked the other way. Obama would have to break a heck of a lot more "rules" to catch up with Georgie.

Terri Schiavo, that's all I'm gonna say.

373 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:04:19pm

re: #365 Gus

Nah. Freedom of association. Says so in the US Constitution.

//

Heh. Filthy liberal Senator Dianne Feinstein worked with a local, filthy conservative mayor to draft anti-gang legislation for California, a part of which included and injunction against validated gang members hanging out with each other.

374 b_Snark  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:04:23pm

re: #350 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

re: #346 Kragar

I've never been happier to be ignorant of a certain subject. You Trekkies creep me out.
/

pe' 'oH pa'

375 jaunte  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:04:43pm

re: #359 palomino

How the once mighty have fallen. 20 years ago Gingrich was the leader of the GOP Revolution.

"My name is Gingrichias, Speaker of House:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level Adelson stretches far away.

376 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:05:00pm

re: #374 Narcissistic Flatulent A-hole

pe' 'oH pa'

Damn Klink.

377 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:05:44pm

re: #375 jaunte

"My name is Gingrichias, Speaker of House:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level Adelson stretches far away.

Ozymandias haz a sad.

378 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:06:02pm

re: #370 prairiefire

Don't get me started on bras.

Save your energy, I'll get started on your bra.
/

379 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:07:03pm

OK, who's going to wash the dishes? Someone get all the empty beer bottles together and into the recyc;iong/.re: #372 goddamnedfrank

Terri Schiavo, that's all I'm gonna say.

It's a little, I don't know what's the word just yet. But they're complaining that Obama is politicizing this with these comments? I'm a little confused because it was no doubt Obama that instructed the DOJ, FBI and whomever else to begin investigating the events in Sanford, FL. It's already politicized.

380 b_Snark  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:07:41pm

re: #370 prairiefire

Don't get me started on bras.

I thought bras were invented to frustrate men.

381 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:08:03pm

re: #265 Dark_Falcon

Because giraffes are kind of silly looking, and because we all love Floral.

*smooch*

382 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:08:23pm

re: #380 Narcissistic Flatulent A-hole

I thought bras were invented to frustrate men.

Trekkies, yes. Men, not so much.

383 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:08:31pm

re: #380 Narcissistic Flatulent A-hole

I thought bras were invented to frustrate men.

I don't know and have no opinion.

384 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:08:54pm

re: #281 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I don't agree. This is a very emotionally charged issue that has the potential to become a dangerous powder keg. I think what Obama did with his comment was to assure the American people that the POTUS understands and shares their concerns about such issues.

Rodney King time, anyone?

385 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:08:56pm

re: #382 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Trekkies, yes. Men, not so much.

Wrong!
:P

386 prairiefire  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:09:35pm

re: #378 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Snoozie! My goodness, I hate the constraints of society!/

387 BongCrodny  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:10:10pm

re: #327 EdDantes

Wrong DF. The president should not be commenting on cases other than saying it has been referred to the AG's office.

Irresistable force meets immovable derp.

388 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:11:46pm

re: #384 Floral Giraffe

Rodney King time, anyone?

Reginald Denny says "Dear God, I hope not".

389 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:14:39pm

re: #388 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Reginald Denny says "Dear God, I hope not".

I'm not comfortable with the idea of assuming there might be riots.

390 prairiefire  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:15:34pm

I think President Obama stated his opinion and it was an emotional one. Based on his experience as a black man in America. Perhaps the perception of the President's own life experiences makes others uncomfortable.

Gee, didn't that sound more adult than "Suck it haters!"?

391 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:15:40pm

re: #178 jaunte

A farm cart with wheels? Swank. We have to make forward progress by heaving our log end-over-end.

A log? You have your own log? Well la-di-dah! I have to use a broken stick, and we share it with all the families in the neighborhood.

392 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:16:15pm

re: #389 Gus

Nor am I. I'd like to think we've gotten that sort of thing behind us.

And as I've said, this is an emotionally charged issue, and I've tried my best to keep most of mine out of the discussion.

393 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:16:30pm

re: #179 EdDantes

President Obama should not have commented on the case and certainly should have not brought race into it.
The accused should have a fair trial and then be executed.

Step one for a fair trial: actually having the dude accused of something by the law.

394 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:17:17pm

re: #386 prairiefire

Snoozie! My goodness, I hate the constraints of society!/

Heh. I'd say you could help me with my boxers, but those were discarded several comments ago.

395 prairiefire  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:18:18pm

re: #394 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Heh. I'd say you could help me with my boxers, but those were discarded several comments ago.

Such a charmer, always pantless.

396 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:18:38pm

re: #394 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Heh. I'd say you could help me with my boxers, but those were discarded several comments ago.

Image: internet-memes-untitled12.jpg

397 jaunte  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:19:30pm

re: #391 SanFranciscoZionist

A log? You have your own log? Well la-di-dah! I have to use a broken stick, and we share it with all the families in the neighborhood.

A sports car, eh?

398 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:20:43pm

re: #227 EdDantes

I think Obama injected race into this. Zimmerman should be given a fair trial.
Further, the Florida "stand you ground law" was not intended to be a "007" law.

I disagree about Obama injecting race, however I am tempted to upding you for your repeated game efforts to rephrase what you mean in an orderly fashion.

;)

399 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:21:04pm

re: #390 prairiefire

I think President Obama stated his opinion and it was an emotional one. Based on his experience as a black man in America. Perhaps the perception of the President's own life experiences makes others uncomfortable.

Gee, didn't that sound more adult than "Suck it haters!"?

Not only must they suck it but their complaining just doesn't make any sense. They were already complaining about Obama's tact.

They just added another level. Gingrich already, always, thinks Obama's a disgrace. The ideal is to simply hate everything Obama does. I've never seen it like this even compared to Watergate and the subsequent impeachment.

I think the right wing has been overrun by a lot of really weird internet hermits that hate everybody and blog about someone or something they hate every single day. Primary hatred of course is directed to number 1.

400 Lidane  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:22:09pm

re: #327 EdDantes

Wrong DF. The president should not be commenting on cases other than saying it has been referred to the AG's office.

So in other words, he can have an opinion, he just can't express it to anyone or do anything about it.

Gee. Where have I heard that before?

401 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:22:16pm

re: #234 dragonfire1981

I wonder how GWB would have reacted to this if he were still in office?

I don't know. He wasn't as clueless as, say, Reagan could be. He would have been constrained about the damn law, by necessity, but I like to think he would have had something decent to say.

402 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:22:33pm

All I know is that I'll be glad when I don't have to hear or read this disgusting man's words anymore. I don't even like the sound of his voice.

403 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:24:47pm

re: #261 EdDantes

No, but I agree that President Obama should not have commented on the case.

Why not? It's an atrocious and scandalous case, and the nation is following it closely.

404 allegro  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:28:25pm

re: #403 SanFranciscoZionist

Why not? It's an atrocious and scandalous case, and the nation is following it closely.

And I believe he was directly asked to comment on it. What was he supposed to say? No comment?

405 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:29:02pm

re: #290 The Ghost of a Flea

And where did the "injection of race" occur in Obama's statement?

"He could have been my son," is a race-neutral statement from a white politician, and a race-specific one from a black politician.

This is sarcastic, also true.

406 BongCrodny  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:31:19pm

re: #404 allegro

And I believe he was directly asked to comment on it. What was he supposed to say? No comment?

If he had said no comment, they'd be calling him a coward for ducking the issue.

407 allegro  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:32:17pm

re: #406 BongCrodny

If he had said no comment, they'd be calling him a coward for ducking the issue.

Totally. And worse.

408 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:33:13pm

re: #401 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know. He wasn't as clueless as, say, Reagan could be. He would have been constrained about the damn law, by necessity, but I like to think he would have had something decent to say.

Reagan was suffering from Alzheimer's much earlier than people want to believe and one of the first symptoms is extremely inappropriate behavior. Given that, much as it galls me, he gets a pass. No human deserves Alzheimers.

GHWBush could be reasonable. He'd have said something similar to what Obama said. This was also someone who walked away from the safety of the Ivy League to become the youngest naval aviator of his time and nearly died for his patriotism.

Slick Willie would have probably done the best of the bunch. He'd have spun a yarn and we'd all be sucked right on in for the sax break and the underwear joke.

GWBush would have wanted to say something like his father but would have probably mangled it unless you caught him off guard with the question. He seemed to do worse with these kinds of things the longer they sat and boiled on the stove. Katrina is the worst of all worlds for him.

Obama, well, he's damed if he does, damned if he doesn't. But in the end he always seems to realize that it's better to be a dead lion than a live lamb - and it's often even easier to be a live lion because the lion hunters will run away at the first roar...

For what my thoughts are worth.

409 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:36:41pm

re: #324 goddamnedfrank

Obama did not comment on Zimmerman's motivations. How many times is this going to have to be stated before you begin to comprehend it?

If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon. I think [Trayvon's parents] are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves, and we are going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.

It's a very hard statement to argue with.

410 prairiefire  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:40:19pm

My super cool cousin posted a photo on her Facebook avatar of herself in a hoodie about 2 and 1/2 weeks ago. I was like, whuut? It just shows you how cool she is.

411 Gus  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 9:40:29pm

This is a tragic loss of life. These are tough times, for everyone involved. I've spoken with some spiritual leaders in the community of Sanford to see if we could come up with a plan to bring back that community back together again. I'm sending a member from are justice team to speak with the local police chief there. Aint' that's right John? Well, that about all I can say. Thank you all, and God bless America. -- Not George W. Bush

412 Flavia  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:44:04pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

And this is why I didn't want this to be a discussion about race, because we've totally moved off the subject that really matters: The shitty law that made this all possible. Without that law, it wouldn't matter Martin's race, Zimmerman would be sitting in a jail cell right now.

But it IS a discussion about race - we wouldn't have to be worrying about the misapplication of the law (that's what it is - the law as written does NOT support Zimmerman's murderous actions) if Zimmerman wasn't a racist slimebag. With or without that law, he would ave done the same thing he did - & lying to the police about "oh, it was self-defense" would have resulted in the same situation has, now.

413 Tigger2005  Fri, Mar 23, 2012 11:10:33pm

Someone mentioned the O.J. Simpson case. As much as I still believe that case was a blatant, horrific miscarriage of justice, in which cynical lawyers played the race card shamelessly, seeing what the police did with Trayvon Martin's killing I can almost understand now how...as wrong and misguided as they were..the jurors were persuaded that even if guilty Simpson somehow deserved a break, that he was a victim of racist cops planting evidence. It doesn't excuse their failure, of course--Simpson DID viciously murder two people with a knife, and he would have done it whether they were white or black. Two innocent people did not get the justice they deserved. But unfortunately, a long history of failing to treat people equally under the law helped lead to that travesty of a trial and that travesty of a verdict.

414 labman57  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 8:08:30am

Just another steaming pile of rhetoric from a desperate Republican politician.

415 Decider  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 11:06:03am

At this point Newt knows his political career is over. So what does he do? He is establishing his "Hate Obama" creds with the Sean Hannity audience so he can get paid when he does leave the GOP race.

These guys are very easy to figure out.

He will be Hannity's "Why Obama hates White people" correspondent.


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