Wingnut Conspiracy Theory of the Day: Trayvon Photo Was Lightened to Make Him Look ‘Innocent’

Mini-Breits fail again, shining a bright light on their own racist assumptions in the process
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DERPToday’s loony wingnut conspiracy theory comes from breitbart.com blogger Dan Riehl, who has yet another BOMBSHELL REVELATION to report: As Media Reports Conflict, Why Was Trayvon Martin Photo Altered?

Yes, Riehl has uncovered another media plot to drum up sympathy for Trayvon Martin — the photo of Trayvon being shown in the mainstream media has been ALTERED! BOMBSHELL!

As Media Reports Conflict, Why Was Trayvon Martin Photo Altered?

Among a few interesting items uncovered in trying to examine the facts behind the shooting of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin without drawing any conclusions, was that a widely viewed photograph of Martin appears to have been altered, somewhat.

Here is what appears to be the original via the Miami Herald.

The one below has been observed in the media and at forums such as Democracy Now. Clearly, it has been lightened, or softened, somehow. Along with other possible alterations, he looks far more, perhaps innocent is the right word, in the altered image.

How interesting that Dan Riehl equates “innocence” with light skin.

But in fact, this BOMBSHELL is yet another foot shot for the intellectually challenged Dan Riehl, because if you actually follow his own link to the article at the Miami Herald, and read the caption underneath the photo he claims is “the original,” you discover that it’s a photograph of a low resolution copy of the picture on a sign at a protest — not “the original” at all.

A photo of Trayvon Martin wearing a hoodie was used on banners and signs carried by protesters in New York City on March 21, 2012. MARIO TAMA / GETTY IMAGES

These people are unbelievable. Yet another BOMBSHELL conspiracy theory that blows up in Riehl’s face, and his own link disproves it. It doesn’t get much dumber than this. As you can see at Getty Images, photographer Mario Tama took a lot of pictures of the signs at this rally.

Riehl isn’t the only Breitbrat pushing this idiotic non-story; CNN contributor Dana Loesch is also raving about it on her radio show, in addition to making all kinds of other weird, racist claims.

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Riehl responds to my post on Twitter:

UPDATE at 3/24/12 2:57:55 pm

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400 comments
1 Kragar  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:07:02pm

I seem to have missed the part where he was guilty of anything in the first place.

2 dragonath  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:07:40pm

Skin color seems to mean SO much to them. As if being a darker color makes you less human or something.

3 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:07:50pm

Conservatives once again proving to themselves that darker people are scarier people.

4 Kragar  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:09:43pm

You know what really makes him look innocent?

Being innocent.

5 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:09:58pm

re: #1 Kragar

I seem to have missed the part where he was guilty of anything in the first place.

According to the wingnuts, he's guilty of being black, which their mind means he was a criminal from birth. That he hadn't been arrested yet just means to them that he's good at not getting caught.

6 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:11:03pm

re: #1 Kragar

I seem to have missed the part where he was guilty of anything in the first place.

He was walking through a gated community while black. Also, he was suspended from school for being late to class too many times.

Clearly, that was reason enough for him to be a threat. =P

7 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:11:15pm

Remember the "they darken and lighten Obama photos" controversy?

These people are dumb. They'll posture as experts when they don't know anything about photography or image replication.

They're also racist as fuck. Light skin equals innocent? How about "walking down the street with a snack not doing anything wrong equals innocent."

Fuck them all.

8 gummitch  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:12:08pm

The comments are no better. They're twisting themselves in knots trying to "prove" that Zimmerman was completely innocent of wrongdoing. The black kid, though, clearly a thug.

9 Gus  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:12:13pm

Bigot.

10 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:13:06pm

re: #8 gummitch

The comments are no better. They're twisting themselves in knots trying to "prove" that Zimmerman was completely innocent of wrongdoing. The black kid, though, clearly a thug.

And those same people would be screaming for Trayvon Martin's blood if the circumstances in this story were reversed.

11 Mocking Jay  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:15:21pm

THE PEOPLE DESERVE TO KNOW JUST HOW BLACK TRAYVON MARTIN REALLY WAS!!!

derp

12 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:16:03pm

re: #8 gummitch

The comments are no better. They're twisting themselves in knots trying to "prove" that Zimmerman was completely innocent of wrongdoing. The black kid, though, clearly a thug.

White victimhood on full display. Their initial response to this story, when it came out days ago, was "Who cares? Just another dead black kid, why's that news?" Now that they see it's not going away, they're trying to play the "victim" by whining that "race is being injected" when they're not trying to make Trayvon out as another Mumia in training.

13 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:17:56pm

This isn't going to end well.
New Black Panthers offer $10,000 bounty for capture of shooter George Zimmerman

Members of the New Black Panther Party are offering a $10,000 reward for the "capture" of George Zimmerman, leader Mikhail Muhammad announced during a protest in Sanford today.

When asked whether he was inciting violence, Muhammad replied defiantly saying: "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."
...
Muhammad said the group's national chairman, Dr. Malik Zulu Shabaz of Washington, D.C. is receiving donations from black entertainers and athletes. They hope to collect $1 million by next week, Muhammad said.

The party said they would not release the names of donors nor would they provide documentation to support the existence of donations.

14 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:18:07pm

Pictures of pictures of pictures can alter color.

My two middle boys made steam-punk themed clocks. When I went to take a picture, the digital pictures looked...kinda pinkish. The originals were actually brownish.

The kind of light you are working with actually matters, too.

This is why sewing/craft stores actually sell lights that simulate daylight, so you can see true color of things you are working with.

HOWEVER...Trayvon Martin could actually be grayish-purple, and this would be an irrelevant fact.

15 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:18:18pm

Oh... fuck these guys. Mini Breits are a stain on the internet.

16 Mocking Jay  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:20:51pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

This isn't going to end well.
New Black Panthers offer $10,000 bounty for capture of shooter George Zimmerman

Is it legal to post a bounty for an unwanted man? I seriously doubt it. This needs to be stopped now.

17 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:21:06pm
18 Cap'n Magic  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:21:26pm

As The Master (in the Doctor Who series "Trial of a Time Lord") once said: "For a lie to work, it must be shrouded in truth."

Seems to me its time to start calling people liars when they really lie.

19 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:21:31pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

I'm opposed to vigilante justice.

20 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:22:32pm

re: #16 Altar Boy of Darwinism

Is it legal to post a bounty for an unwanted man? I seriously doubt it. This needs to be stopped now.

I'm pretty sure it's way illegal even if they don't have the money and are just doing this as a publicity stunt. I had to read the article twice looking for the sentence about them being arrested. No mention.

21 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:22:59pm

Good catch, Charles. Mario Tama is given as the source of this photo, so even from this Riehl should have understood that she obviously did not take the photo of Trayvon while he had been alive.

22 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:26:05pm

re: #16 Altar Boy of Darwinism

Is it legal to post a bounty for an unwanted man? I seriously doubt it. This needs to be stopped now.

Did I step into a time portal and end up in the fucking wild west or something?!

23 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:26:45pm

Isn't Riehl the whiny dipshit that had the imaginary fantasy of beating up blacks on the D.C Metro because he perceived they wanted to do the same to him because he's a Tea Party supporter. Riehl's got big issues. And I'll echo what was already said but he wasn't guilty of anything in the first place. Stupid right wing assholes.

24 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:27:02pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

This isn't going to end well.
New Black Panthers offer $10,000 bounty for capture of shooter George Zimmerman

This is only going to get worse before it gets better.

25 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:27:07pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

This isn't going to end well.
New Black Panthers offer $10,000 bounty for capture of shooter George Zimmerman

That's conspiracy to commit murder. "An eye for an eye"

26 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:27:13pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

This isn't going to end well.
New Black Panthers offer $10,000 bounty for capture of shooter George Zimmerman

What a load of self-serving BS...the NBPs just need to STFU and STFD, because this reads like an incitement to violence, something that's illegal in most places and something that's not going to help the Martin family.

27 Mocking Jay  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:27:34pm

re: #22 +1 Adidas Hoodie of Justice

Did I step into a time portal and end up in the fucking wild west or something?!

And what do they plan to do once they've captured him? Not sure they've really thought this one through...

28 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:28:12pm

Leadership.

BuzzFeed has requested comment from the campaigns of Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, and Ron Paul — but none have responded, nor have the commented on the case to other media outlets. Romney ignored a reporter who asked Tuesday, "Would your Justice Department get involved in the Trayvon Martin case?"
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

29 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:28:26pm

The Black Panthers are to Black People what the KKK is to White People

30 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:28:49pm

re: #27 Altar Boy of Darwinism

The guy said eye for an eye. They plan to murder him. It's not an unclear threat, it's direct. It's a call to kill a man.

31 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:29:11pm

Self appointed vigilante bounty hunters and self appointed vigilante neighborhood watch guys.
This is stupid. Incredibly stupid.

32 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:29:24pm

re: #26 talon_262

What a load of self-serving BS...the NBPs just need to STFU and STFD, because this reads like an incitement to violence, something that's illegal in most places and something that's not going to help the Martin family.

EXACTLY. The NBP need to STFU, STFD and go away. The Martins don't need them or their "help".

33 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:29:32pm

re: #28 jaunte

Leadership.

Imagine my surprise. None of them wants to go ahead and sign away what little bit of the black vote they might get at election time by repeating the GOP party line of "State's Rights!"

34 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:29:53pm

re: #27 Altar Boy of Darwinism

And what do they plan to do once they've captured him? Not sure they've really thought this one through...

Oh, I think they've thought it through and it stinks as much as what Zimmerman did to Martin. Sounds to me like they plan on playing judge, jury, and executioner here...

35 Mocking Jay  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:30:22pm

re: #30 Daniel Ballard

The guy said eye for an eye. They plan to murder him. It's not an unclear threat, it's direct. It's a call to kill a man.

I should say I don't think they've thought through the consequences. For themselves and for all involved.

36 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:30:34pm

re: #33 Targetpractice

The NRA is a powerful lobby.

37 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:31:20pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

This isn't going to end well.
New Black Panthers offer $10,000 bounty for capture of shooter George Zimmerman

My worst-case scenario come true...

this could escalate out of hand in a hurry.

38 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:31:59pm

re: #28 jaunte

Leadership.

Of course not. The NRA would tell them not to.

39 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:32:34pm

re: #5 Targetpractice

According to the wingnuts, he's guilty of being black, which their mind means he was a criminal from birth. That he hadn't been arrested yet just means to them that he's good at not getting caught.

Maybe a bit drily academic, but--

Critical Race Theory and Post-Colonialism both talk about the moving goal posts that white people set for brown people. One of Us* and There's No Difference between US* always come with footnotes. Step out of line--have a wrong opinion, call out their privilege, being "too brown" by loving one's culture and kind--and suddenly those indulgent whitefolk will snap back to talking about your ingratitude. No matter how perfectly a brown person assimilates, they're an imperfect copy...either mocked for their mimicry and called inauthentic; or deemed suspicious, insincere, and inauthentic.

And at the same tiny, the brown/white distinction is always there in interpretation and attribution. Even in a clear-cut case, the former have to prove they're not a little bit guilty rather than being presumed innocent.

NB: none of the above is exclusive to ethnic or racial dynamics. Gender discrimination plays out in a very similar way...and with equal ferocity. Class distinctions deploys the same reasoning along economic lines.

The Treyvon Martin case is really pulling that element in the "critics" who are trying to laying down cover for Zimmerman and SYG. It's really important to them that Treyvon Martin--an all-American teenager--have exploitable flaws...so they're fabricating them. Inflating a suspension into suspicion of something more sinister, et cetera.

Addendum: another level of wagons-circling is the gun-fetishist culture (as opposed to the larger body of gun owners: I am a gun owner, not a gun fetishist) in this country. There's this desperate attempt to make excuses for the guy doing the concealed carry and mouthing the "catechism" of self-defense, taking back the streets, and standing his ground.

40 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:32:54pm

re: #36 jaunte

The NRA is a powerful lobby.

That too. It's a choice between the NRA and black voters, and they're going with the NRA. They just don't want to say it out loud.

41 abolitionist  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:33:27pm
42 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:33:44pm

These laws won't be changed either.
Fucked up system indeed.

43 Mocking Jay  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:33:47pm

re: #38 +1 Adidas Hoodie of Justice

Of course not. The NRA would tell them not to.

It's even harder for Romney, because he has to figure out how to get on both sides of the issue...

44 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:34:05pm

Great. A bunch of George Zimmermans going after George Zimmerman. That'll turn out well.

45 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:34:09pm

re: #28 jaunte

Leadership.

Of course Romney ignored the question. Romney has no leadership whatsoever in him. He's a panderer who panders to whatever side he thinks will get him support.

46 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:34:14pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure it's way illegal even if they don't have the money and are just doing this as a publicity stunt. I had to read the article twice looking for the sentence about them being arrested. No mention.

That has got to be prosecutable. Man they're nuts.

47 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:34:41pm

Oh look, Mario Tama took a photo of a protest sign in shadow, with a photo of Trayvon Martin printed on it:
[Link: www.gettyimages.com...]

48 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:35:02pm

Oh look, Mario Tama took a photo of a protest sign in shadow, with a photo of Trayvon Martin printed on it:
[Link: www.gettyimages.com...]

49 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:36:02pm

re: #37 Second Amendment Renegation

My worst-case scenario come true...

this could escalate out of hand in a hurry.

This situation has the potential to make the Rodney King riots look a picnic in the park; the Watts riots were before my time, but I've read about how bad that (and related riots) was.

We don't want or need that at all and neither does the Martin family, I'm sure.

50 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:36:02pm
51 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:36:57pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

This isn't going to end well.
New Black Panthers offer $10,000 bounty for capture of shooter George Zimmerman

Well, there goes the NBP retirement fund.

52 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:37:57pm

A look into the Wingnutgentsia:

When Andrew died, I took the day off from work, social networking, etc., because even though Andrew and I weren’t close, I, like many others, realized that we had lost our most effective warrior in actively taking the battle to the enemy (vs. “our side” always being reactionary). Late that evening, I decided that I was all in for the fight. I concluded that many of us are needed to fill Andrew’s shoes, and I happen to be in a place in life where I have the ability, experience, network, and resources to meet this challenge. A couple days later, I told some of my friends in town for Andrew’s funeral about my personal epiphany and my commitment to the cause. I’ve been iterating on the battle plans since.

I don’t know exactly how Andrew envisioned the war unfolding, but I’ve been using the definition in this context: A state of hostility, conflict, or antagonism. A struggle between opposing forces for a particular end. Ayn Rand looked at it like this: “A political battle is merely a skirmish fought with muskets; a philosophical battle is a nuclear war.” I encourage you to develop your own teams and strategies, but consider these fundamental ideas of philosophical war as you move forward. My model is inspired and energized by Sherman, Patton, and Sun-Tzu; read them, and you’ll get the idea. I’m sure as hell not going to post my strategy online, but you saw a very thin slice of one aspect in the Sandra Fluke piece (there are a couple updates posted).

Nothing could be more clear. The Wingularity is near.

53 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:38:16pm

This seems to be another one of those oh so common cases of wingnut projection.

54 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:39:37pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure it's way illegal even if they don't have the money and are just doing this as a publicity stunt. I had to read the article twice looking for the sentence about them being arrested. No mention.

Nothing illegal about it--NBP is just helping out Law Enforcement. You know, like a neighborhood watch.

55 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:39:49pm

re: #52 Kronocide

It's a double-secret offline strategy.

56 abolitionist  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:41:32pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

This isn't going to end well.
New Black Panthers offer $10,000 bounty for capture of shooter George Zimmerman

Malik Zulu Shabazz has repeatedly talked as if he wants a race war, much like his predecessor. He's lower than snake shit.

57 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:42:27pm
My model is inspired and energized by Sherman, Patton, and Sun-Tzu; read them, and you’ll get the idea. I’m sure as hell not going to post my strategy online, but you saw a very thin slice of one aspect in the Sandra Fluke piece (there are a couple updates posted).

Sherman, Patton, Sun-Tzu?

More like,

My ass; deeper in my ass; and that bit where Sun Tzu talks about deception in warfare which I totally misread as an ethical mandate to constantly lie.

58 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:42:34pm

re: #37 Second Amendment Renegation

My worst-case scenario come true...

this could escalate out of hand in a hurry.

Possibly. That's why I get really uncomfortable with situations like this. There has to be enormous pressure on authorities to charge Zimmerman with anything in order to maintain peace. Very bad situation.

59 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:43:14pm

Dan Unriehl shows off detective skills:

Yeah, um:

College

MYERS MIDDLE SCHOOL
High School

Myers Middle School

60 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:43:42pm

The wingnuts keep antagonizing with the 'Acted Stupidly' comments.

61 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:44:45pm

Repost-
I wish we could compare how the Los Angeles DA and LAPD would have handled an identical situation with that law on the books. I really think we would have had a very different result. Racism may have made all the difference.

Has justifiable homicide jumped in all, some, or most of the states this exists? Maybe my next point of study on this.

62 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:44:48pm

re: #55 jaunte

It's a double-secret offline strategy.

I'm not going to share my secret strategy of total political war online on my blog, but it's a sekret.

63 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:45:20pm

re: #52 Kronocide

Something tells me this strategy will include lots of Cheeto's and twitter rants.

64 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:45:59pm
65 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:46:38pm

re: #64 Liberal Entity

Wow, he actually is an idiotblogger.

66 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:47:00pm

re: #64 Liberal Entity

And the far right and the wingnuts would want to deport most Latinos anyway, so what's the difference?

Fuck Dan Riehl. He's a tool.

67 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:47:03pm

re: #64 Liberal Entity

I'm amazed he doesn't know proper sentence structure.

68 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:48:09pm

re: #64 Liberal Entity

[Embedded content]

Lynch? Is that what wanting a trial is called these days? Go fuck a rope Riehl you piece of horseshit.

69 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:48:30pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

Possibly. That's why I get really uncomfortable with situations like this. There has to be enormous pressure on authorities to charge Zimmerman with anything in order to maintain peace. Very bad situation.

Yeah, it sucks when shittily-constructed laws allow killers to walk around and other excuses have to be made to arrest them so they won't get killed by vigilantes. It's almost like this situation could have been avoided if SYG laws weren't in place and the Sanford PD had even slightly done their job.

But hey, who could have predicted a guy with a string of violence complaints to his name would mis-use the firearm he was licensed to carried concealed at all times?

70 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:48:37pm

Why does Dan Riehl always looks in the photos as if he has just taken off his KKK robe? //

71 Gus  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:48:57pm

re: #59 Liberal Entity

Dan Unriehl shows off detective skills:

[Embedded content]Yeah, um:

Oh God. Talk about a case of "they all look the same" syndrome. WTF.

72 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:49:00pm

re: #62 Kronocide

I'm not going to share my secret strategy of total political war online on my blog, but it's a sekret.

I shit bigger'n you!

73 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:49:22pm

re: #63 The Round Heeled Savage Cannibal Ghoul

Something tells me this strategy will include lots of Cheeto's and twitter rants.

.... and lots of homosexually charged comments.

Notice Bayne's art: a 'eunuchorn' with multicolored (multicultural) bane, missing it's penis and testicles.

Welcome to AMERICAFUCKYEAHISTAN.

74 Gus  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:49:50pm

re: #70 Liberal Entity

Why does Dan Riehl always looks in the photos as if he has just taken off his KKK robe? //

The touch the feel of cotton. Or in this case I suppose technically it's white linen?

75 dragonfire1981  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:50:10pm

I don't know about the rest of you, but to me both pictures seem to clearly show a young black man.

76 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:50:26pm

re: #74 Gus

The touch the feel of cotton. Or in this case I suppose technically it's white linen?

♫The fabric of our lives.♫

77 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:50:30pm

OK, we should not judge people on their looks. Bad damn.

Image: Dan_R_reasonably_small.jpg

This screams "dumb".

78 dragonfire1981  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:51:16pm

Really amazed the left and obama are so anxious to lynch an Hispanic man before an election. Bound to hurt in swing states.

As opposed to the right who has already lynched the deceased Trayvon Martin?

79 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:51:21pm

re: #75 dragonfire1981

I don't know about the rest of you, but to me both pictures seem to clearly show a young black man.

It's got to really frustrate the nutjobs that they don't have a police mugshot of Martin to show.

80 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:51:38pm

re: #75 dragonfire1981

I don't know about the rest of you, but to me both pictures seem to clearly show a young black man.

Thank the FSM you see the same as me. I thought for sure I was seeing things. Or not seeing things, actually.

81 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:52:52pm

re: #75 dragonfire1981

I don't know about the rest of you, but to me both pictures seem to clearly show a young black man.

Well, yes, but in one he is clearly darker-toned than in another, and as we all know, the amount of melanin in one's skin is a direct indication of the level of guilt one carries.

Which means that octopi are carrying around guilt in a liquid form to be squirted out.

If this makes no sense, well, it shouldn't.

82 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:53:02pm

Reihl is getting pissy: calling Charles 'Chuckie,' making comments about relevance.

83 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:53:10pm

re: #80 I Don't Remember

Thank the FSM you see the same as me. I thought for sure I was seeing things. Or not seeing things, actually.

Wear this.
Image: wingnut-2.jpg

84 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:53:50pm

re: #75 dragonfire1981

I don't know about the rest of you, but to me both pictures seem to clearly show a young black man.

It is about a bigot who understands neither race nor how print media image reproduction works...

85 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:54:00pm

re: #77 Liberal Entity

OK, we should not judge people on their looks. Bad damn.

Image: Dan_R_reasonably_small.jpg

This screams "dumb".

Amazing what you can tell about a person through his facial expression.

86 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:54:24pm

re: #82 Kronocide

Reihl is getting pissy: calling Charles 'Chuckie,' making comments about relevance.

Kind of pot calling the kettle black there on Danny's part.

87 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:54:41pm

re: #85 I Don't Remember

Amazing what you can tell about a person through his facial expression.

Can you make it go?

88 Kragar  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:55:16pm

re: #77 Liberal Entity

OK, we should not judge people on their looks. Bad damn.

Image: Dan_R_reasonably_small.jpg

This screams "dumb".

"I LOVE LAMP!"

89 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:55:30pm

re: #83 +1 Adidas Hoodie of Justice

Wear this.
Image: wingnut-2.jpg

Can't. My threads are stripped.

90 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:55:41pm

Charles M. Blow spent this morning interviewing Trayvon's mother and grandmother.

91 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:56:16pm

re: #82 Kronocide

Reihl is getting pissy: calling Charles 'Chuckie,' making comments about relevance.

To: Dan Riehl

Many blogs would kill to be this "irrelevant", Dan.

Go take a long walk off a short pier, you ignorant ass.

FOAD,
Me

92 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:56:30pm

re: #84 Second Amendment Renegation

Note that the picture as it goes around the forums and blogs has been retouched in some program indeed (this is obvious to the naked eye), but there's no indication that it has been specifically lightened.

93 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:56:47pm

re: #87 +1 Adidas Hoodie of Justice

Can you make it go?

No, piss on it.

94 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:57:18pm
95 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:57:26pm

re: #79 Decatur Deb

It's got to really frustrate the nutjobs that they don't have a police mugshot of Martin to show.

No mugshot. Just school photos of him in a hoodie, or smiling, or in his football uniform. No legal problems. A school suspension because he was late to class too many times. A's and B's on his transcripts.

It really must fuck with the wingnuts to realize they're having to justify the murder of a black kid that was doing everything they say they want black kids to do. He was doing well in school. He was staying out of trouble with the law. He was friendly and popular. He was, by all accounts, a good kid, even if he got to class late too many times.

96 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:57:29pm

re: #85 I Don't Remember

Amazing what you can tell about a person through his facial expression.

And those empty, vacant eyes...there's nothing in there.

97 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:57:40pm
98 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:57:56pm

re: #88 Kragar

"I LOVE LAMP!"

Linux, Apache, MySql, PHP?

99 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:58:11pm

re: #90 wrenchwench

BUT BUT BUT A HOODIE!

100 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:59:36pm

re: #99 Liberal Entity

My husband is the only person in this house that doesn't own one.

Wait.

We don't currently have one to fit the 11 year old.

101 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:59:37pm

re: #92 Liberal Entity

Note that the picture as it goes around the forums and blogs has been retouched in some program indeed (this is obvious to the naked eye), but there's no indication that it has been specifically lightened.

It has probably been run through the autocorrect cycle of a photo editor.

102 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 12:59:39pm

There are no 'come shoot me' clothes. There is no 'come shoot me' color.

103 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:00:22pm

I see Unriehl doubles down on the claim that no Hispanics are white.

104 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:01:05pm

re: #102 jaunte

There are no 'come shoot me' clothes. There is no 'come shoot me' color.

Two words.
Disco. Fashion.
///

105 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:01:22pm

re: #103 Liberal Entity

I see Unriehl doubles down on the claim that no Hispanics are white.

Only albinos, technically, are white.

106 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:01:27pm

re: #103 Liberal Entity

I see Unriehl doubles down on the claim that no Hispanics are white.

The photo of Zimmerman was lightened.

/

107 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:01:27pm

re: #97 +1 Adidas Hoodie of Justice

D'oh!

I say, make'em move.

108 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:02:12pm

I think I get it now. Riehl looks like Kent Hovind:

Image: KentHovind.jpg

109 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:02:33pm

re: #105 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Only albinos, technically, are white.

And even then...

110 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:02:59pm

re: #103 Liberal Entity

I see Unriehl doubles down on the claim that no Hispanics are white.

Hernan Cortez would beg to differ.

111 Gus  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:04:29pm

re: #108 Liberal Entity

I think I get it now. Riehl looks like Kent Hovind:

Image: KentHovind.jpg

Mongo think all look the same.

//

112 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:05:58pm

re: #100 Mostly sane, most of the time.

My husband is the only person in this house that doesn't own one.

Wait.

We don't currently have one to fit the 11 year old.

I have two hoodies, an insulated one and an uninsulated one and a leather jacket with a cloth hoodie style hood built in.

My wife has two hoodies, my daughter has a hoodie and my grandson has two hoodies.

We're all going to right wing hell.

113 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:07:05pm

re: #112 I Don't Remember

I have two hoodies, an insulated one and an uninsulated one and a leather jacket with a cloth hoodie style hood built in.

My wife has two hoodies, my daughter has a hoodie and my grandson has two hoodies.

We're all going to right wing hell.

Yes, but when I apply the melanin-o-meter, how do things factor?

114 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:07:14pm

re: #61 Daniel Ballard

Repost-
I wish we could compare how the Los Angeles DA and LAPD would have handled an identical situation with that law on the books. I really think we would have had a very different result. Racism may have made all the difference.

Has justifiable homicide jumped in all, some, or most of the states this exists? Maybe my next point of study on this.

Not an expert--stat I know a little about, criminal law a tiny sliver--but:

Constructing the rough shape of a statistical analysis in my head, my guess is that there's significant variables other than SYG laws that impact the justifiable homicide rate.

For example, what's the breakdown of justifiable homicide cases by weapon? Subcomponent to that, what portion were committed via firearms held with a permit (or otherwise legal, like unregistered long barrels in some states). I personally think there would be an interesting intersectional effect between Yes/No presence of a SYG law and by-state prevalence of concealed carry permits. Actually, it would neat to create a model that differentiated weapons used in a justifiable homicide that were open versus concealed carry.

You'd have to distinguish cases that fall under Castle Doctrine terms from those that don't...and perhaps there'd be documents enough to create a specific dataset of grand jury cases in which SYG was specifically invoked.

There's also the ephemeral--and I don't know how to track in units, let alone analyze--of the permissiveness of a region. The label of "justified homicide" might not represent the factors of the crime, but the regional justice system and/or jury pool that are called upon to make the call.

And there's an entirely separate issue that needs to be considered: what the rate of shooting that use SYG as part of the justification of the killing, regardless of the success failure to obtain the label "justified homicide." Are there trends in who succeeds in making the assertion versus failing?

115 Mich-again  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:07:57pm

No doubt Reihl's made-up conspiracy theory is wingnut stupidity on proud display, but the website VeteransToday has taken it way deeper into the muck, posting an an anti-Semitic rant by Kevin Barrett hating on George Zimmerman for being a cold blooded murderous terrorist Jew (never mind that he is a Catholic.) After all, with a name like Zimmerman he must be a Jew, right? Zimmerman does NOT represent all Jews!

In the wake of the horrific murder of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin by Jewish terrorist George Zimmerman, it is critically important that we all recognize that not every Jew is a cold-blooded murderous terrorist like Zimmerman.

116 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:08:12pm

re: #110 Decatur Deb

Hernan Cortez would beg to differ.

Well, he wasn't Hispanic.

117 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:08:42pm

re: #112 I Don't Remember

I have two hoodies, an insulated one and an uninsulated one and a leather jacket with a cloth hoodie style hood built in.

My wife has two hoodies, my daughter has a hoodie and my grandson has two hoodies.

We're all going to right wing hell.

I have a cross-cultural hoodie--surplus Gore-Tex BDU. I'm not joking when I say it sometimes makes me feel I blend in better here in Lower Alabama.

118 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:08:45pm

re: #108 Liberal Entity

I think I get it now. Riehl looks like Kent Hovind:

Image: KentHovind.jpg

Boom! The ultimate insult.

119 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:09:01pm

re: #103 Liberal Entity

I see Unriehl doubles down on the claim that no Hispanics are white.

The whole thing makes me laugh and shake my head.

Before this case, the wingnuts were passing all sorts of legislation aimed at profiling and deporting anyone who even remotely "looked Latino", whatever the hell that means. Now they're falling all over themselves to say that Zimmerman couldn't be racist because he's Latino and not white.

What the fuck? It's like these assholes have never seen the Caribbean, or Central and South America. Argentina is about as white as it gets, given the strong presence of the British. One of Chile's national heroes is a man named Bernardo O'Higgins, who was Irish. There are plenty of black people that are Latinos, given the slave trade and centuries of intermarriage that have taken place. Being Latino is an ethnic and cultural identifier, NOT a race. You can be any race and be Latino.

120 Gus  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:09:26pm

re: #115 Mich-again

No doubt Reihl's made-up conspiracy theory is wingnut stupidity on proud display, but the website VeteransToday has taken it way deeper into the muck, posting an an anti-Semitic rant by Kevin Barrett hating on George Zimmerman for being a cold blooded murderous terrorist Jew (never mind that he is a Catholic.) After all, with a name like Zimmerman he must be a Jew, right? Zimmerman does NOT represent all Jews!

WTF is that?

121 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:11:16pm

re: #113 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Yes, but when I apply the melanin-o-meter, how do things factor?

My melanin is just about zero, but the wife's is pretty high, with the kids about half way between.

122 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:11:44pm

re: #120 Gus

WTF is that?

Looks like Faux Jewish support which is actually veiled antisemitism.

Whatever it is, seems like more nuts in that bar than a Snickers.

123 Gus  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:11:58pm

re: #119 Lidane

The whole thing makes me laugh and shake my head.

Before this case, the wingnuts were passing all sorts of legislation aimed at profiling and deporting anyone who even remotely "looked Latino", whatever the hell that means. Now they're falling all over themselves to say that Zimmerman couldn't be racist because he's Latino and not white.

What the fuck? It's like these assholes have never seen the Caribbean, or Central and South America. Argentina is about as white as it gets, given the strong presence of the British. One of Chile's national heroes is a man named Bernardo O'Higgins, who was Irish. There are plenty of black people that are Latinos, given the slave trade and centuries of intermarriage that have taken place. Being Latino is an ethnic and cultural identifier, NOT a race. You can be any race and be Latino.

Black in Latin America

Black in Latin America, a new four-part series on the influence of African descent on Latin America, is the 11th and latest production from renowned Harvard scholar Henry Louis Gates, Jr., writer and presenter of the acclaimed PBS series African American Lives 1 (2006), Oprah’s Roots (2007), African American Lives 2 (2008), Looking for Lincoln (2009) and most recently Faces of America (2010). Black in Latin America is the third of a trilogy that began in 1999 with the broadcast of Professor Gates first series for public television, Wonders of the African World, an exploration of the relationship between Africa and the New World, a story he continued in 2004 with America Beyond the Color Line, a report on the lives of modern-day African Americans. Black In Latin America, premiering nationally Tuesdays April 19, 26 and May 3, 10, 2011 at 8 p.m. (ET) on PBS (check local listings), examines how Africa and Europe came together to create the rich cultures of Latin America and the Caribbean.

124 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:12:09pm

re: #121 I Don't Remember

My melanin is just about zero, but the wife's is pretty high, with the kids about half way between.

So at least one of you can wear a hoodie.

125 Mich-again  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:12:16pm

re: #120 Gus

VeteransToday is a site that alleges to be pro-Veteran, but its just another version of Stormfront. Its sickening to read through the crap they post right along side links for VA loans and other services..

126 Mich-again  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:13:20pm

Do they still distinguish hoodies from zippies? Are zippies still OK to wear?

127 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:13:21pm

re: #121 I Don't Remember

My melanin is just about zero, but the wife's is pretty high, with the kids about half way between.

I see. So, you're good, but your wife, wearing a hoodie, shouldn't leave the house without a signed certificate of good behavior from the local police chief.

The kids--just keep an eye on them and don't let them go near convenience stores.

128 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:13:42pm

re: #126 Mich-again

Do they still distinguish hoodies from zippies? Are zippies still OK to wear?

I think so but I'm white.

129 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:13:59pm
Editor’s note:

This just in: It turns out that Zimmerman isn’t Jewish, he’s Catholic.

But since the corporate media keeps referring to the alleged 9/11 hijackers as “Muslims,” even though those operating under the 19 stolen identities prior to 9/11 were obviously not Muslims, we might as well follow their example and continue to deceive the public.

More nutty than a gallon jug of peanut butter.

130 Mich-again  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:14:13pm

re: #127 Mostly sane, most of the time.

The kids--just keep an eye on them and don't let them go near convenience stores.

And don't let them eat Skittles either.

131 Mocking Jay  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:14:34pm

re: #115 Mich-again

No doubt Reihl's made-up conspiracy theory is wingnut stupidity on proud display, but the website VeteransToday has taken it way deeper into the muck, posting an an anti-Semitic rant by Kevin Barrett hating on George Zimmerman for being a cold blooded murderous terrorist Jew (never mind that he is a Catholic.) After all, with a name like Zimmerman he must be a Jew, right? Zimmerman does NOT represent all Jews!

Image: 1290277609_1285433369338.jpg

132 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:14:48pm

re: #117 Decatur Deb

I have a cross-cultural hoodie--surplus Gore-Tex BDU. I'm not joking when I say it sometimes makes me feel I blend in better here in Lower Alabama.

I have two pair of Gore-Tex lined boots I can wear on my head.

133 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:15:06pm

re: #126 Mich-again

Do they still distinguish hoodies from zippies? Are zippies still OK to wear?

NBP formal dance--yes. Convenience store--no.

134 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:15:23pm

re: #119 Lidane

The whole thing makes me laugh and shake my head.

Before this case, the wingnuts were passing all sorts of legislation aimed at profiling and deporting anyone who even remotely "looked Latino", whatever the hell that means. Now they're falling all over themselves to say that Zimmerman couldn't be racist because he's Latino and not white.

What the fuck? It's like these assholes have never seen the Caribbean, or Central and South America. Argentina is about as white as it gets, given the strong presence of the British. One of Chile's national heroes is a man named Bernardo O'Higgins, who was Irish. There are plenty of black people that are Latinos, given the slave trade and centuries of intermarriage that have taken place. Being Latino is an ethnic and cultural identifier, NOT a race. You can be any race and be Latino.

My brother who lives in Bogota described the racism against the black people who live on the Pacific coast of Colombia. A guy at a party told him it's their own fault that they're poor because they don't work hard and they aren't as smart. My brother told him, "There are people in the US who feel that way about your whole country--your whole continent, in fact."

135 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:15:29pm

re: #116 Liberal Entity

Well, he wasn't Hispanic.

Heh, I assumed this pertained only to Spanish cultures specifically from Central and South America, but I see that some also use it to include the people of Spain proper (as well as Portugal). Honestly confused as to which usage is more correct, inclusive or exclusive.

136 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:15:33pm
137 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:16:30pm

The first sign is frequent typos, Dan.

138 Mich-again  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:16:38pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

Over the target you are.

139 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:16:49pm

I took a class on modern Latin American history a couple springs back. It was very fascinating to me.

140 Mocking Jay  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:16:56pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

As the wingnuts refer to it, "discourse."

141 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:17:03pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

RT @EricStrobel: @DanRiehl @larsoneric50 The only thing that explains how @Lizardoid has lost his mind so rapidly is untreated syphilus.

— DanRiehl (@DanRiehl) March 24, 2012

And how does he explain his spelling ability?

142 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:17:21pm

You're so much quicker...

143 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:17:26pm

re: #122 Kronocide

VeteransToday is a well-known antisemitic and conspiracy site.

144 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:17:42pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

RT @EricStrobel: @DanRiehl @larsoneric50 The only thing that explains how @Lizardoid has lost his mind so rapidly is untreated syphilus.

— DanRiehl (@DanRiehl) March 24, 2012

DURR HURR HURR

145 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:17:56pm

re: #124 Decatur Deb

So at least one of you can wear a hoodie.

My son can't unless he wants to be arrested for walking while aboriginal.

146 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:18:38pm

Wow, now he's saying you have syphilous? Didn't he just tweet something about 'needing something to hate to live?'

147 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:19:33pm

re: #135 Liberal Entity

Heh, I assumed this pertained only to Spanish cultures specifically from Central and South America, but I see that some also use it to include the people of Spain proper (as well as Portugal). Honestly confused as to which usage is more correct, inclusive or exclusive.

It's very confusing, especially when you throw in the Swiss.

Image: Hispano_Suiza_K6_Brandone_1935_J2-1_EPB0016_PB_2008.jpg

148 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:20:42pm

re: #143 Liberal Entity

VeteransToday is a well-known antisemitic and conspiracy site.

Never heard till know. Was my intuition correct, that it was somewhat of a pro Jewish caricature that was actually antisemitic? That's what is seemed like.

149 funky chicken  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:21:06pm

re: #17 jaunte

Especially since that same section of white america is also bending over backwards to say that zimmerman wasn't white if he's hispanic, or whatever.

150 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:21:53pm

re: #147 Decatur Deb

Yeah, I also see that some govt programs define it in exclusive sense (America) while other in inclusive (+ Spain and Portugal), which makes for a heck of a mess.

151 Sionainn  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:22:39pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

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What an idiot. He can't even spell.

152 Sionainn  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:24:20pm

re: #141 wrenchwench

And how does he explain his spelling ability?

Gubmint schools1!11

153 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:24:39pm

re: #149 funky chicken

Their pitch seems to be that if Zimmerman is Hispanic, he can't be motivated by racist feelings, which is untrue.

154 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:25:24pm

We'll have to concoct some measure of psychological projection to properly understand the phenomenon. Call it RiehLumens.

Dan Riehl is projecting about 10k RL's today since he got caught being such a dumbass blogger.

155 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:25:32pm

re: #153 jaunte

Their pitch seems to be that if Zimmerman is Hispanic, he can't be motivated by racist feelings, which is untrue.

Not "he can't be motivated by racist feelings" but "it's a minority on minority crime, get off our shiny white backs".

156 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:27:05pm

Brooke Alvarez.

157 funky chicken  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:27:33pm

re: #103 Liberal Entity

I see Unriehl doubles down on the claim that no Hispanics are white.

Fella might wanna flip on Univision or Telemundo for an hour or so.

158 Gus  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:27:46pm

The bigots are the leftwingers who falsely play the race card!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Real Tweet!

How pathetically typical.

159 Kragar  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:27:47pm

Wasn't Syphilus a creature from Greek mythology or did he just fuck up what he meant to say?

160 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:28:06pm

re: #153 jaunte

Their pitch seems to be that if Zimmerman is Hispanic, he can't be motivated by racist feelings, which is untrue.

Across South America, a bunch of black folks are like, "WTF?"

So much shit slides its way into US discourse because people are just completely ignorant about the rest of the world and its history.

161 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:28:20pm

re: #135 Liberal Entity

Heh, I assumed this pertained only to Spanish cultures specifically from Central and South America, but I see that some also use it to include the people of Spain proper (as well as Portugal). Honestly confused as to which usage is more correct, inclusive or exclusive.

Personally, I think it's easier to say where someone is from. If they're Dominican, say so. If they're from Argentina, likewise.

Both Hispanic and Latino are broad brush terms, but in general, I think Latino is used more, just because it's not that far removed from Latinoamérica, which is the Spanish term for Latin America. I've heard the term "Hispanic" used derisively among my friends because it sounds like someone trying to act like they're from Spain when they're Mexican, or Chilean or whatever.

162 funky chicken  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:29:04pm

re: #153 jaunte

Their pitch seems to be that if Zimmerman is Hispanic, he can't be motivated by racist feelings, which is untrue.

Yeah, might wanna ask somebody in the LAPD about that.

163 Achilles Tang  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:29:09pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

Sisyphus comes to mind. They seem to have the same curse.

164 Gus  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:29:17pm

Bigots! How dare you point out my non-existent racism in my racist rhetoric. You're the real racists for always playing the race card!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

165 aagcobb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:29:17pm

re: #119 Lidane

The whole thing makes me laugh and shake my head.

Before this case, the wingnuts were passing all sorts of legislation aimed at profiling and deporting anyone who even remotely "looked Latino", whatever the hell that means. Now they're falling all over themselves to say that Zimmerman couldn't be racist because he's Latino and not white.

What the fuck? It's like these assholes have never seen the Caribbean, or Central and South America. Argentina is about as white as it gets, given the strong presence of the British. One of Chile's national heroes is a man named Bernardo O'Higgins, who was Irish. There are plenty of black people that are Latinos, given the slave trade and centuries of intermarriage that have taken place. Being Latino is an ethnic and cultural identifier, NOT a race. You can be any race and be Latino.

Not to mention that many latinos are primarily native American.

166 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:29:56pm

re: #159 Kragar

Wasn't Syphilus a creature from Greek mythology or did he just fuck up what he meant to say?

Syphilus was a guy with a huge sack whose punishment in Tartarus was to drag it to the top of a big hill, only to have it fall painfully back down.

167 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:30:50pm

re: #157 funky chicken

Fella might wanna flip on Univision or Telemundo for an hour or so.

Yeah, that's so ignorant.

168 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:30:54pm

re: #159 Kragar

Wasn't Syphilus a creature from Greek mythology or did he just fuck up what he meant to say?

SISSYphus. SISSYphus!

169 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:31:52pm

re: #166 Decatur Deb

Ouch.

170 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:33:12pm

Whoooouuuuuuuaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh.... .BOING OING OING OING.

171 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:33:58pm

re: #166 Decatur Deb

Syphilus was a guy with a huge sack whose punishment in Tartarus was to drag it to the top of a big hill, only to have it fall painfully back down.

He needs to get acquainted with the guy who invented the wheel. Pirelli or Firestone was his name I think.

172 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:34:14pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

They have to use insults. It's not like they can explain the trend of dissent with reasonable, logical statements.

The words that would be really apt are "false consciousness," "kulak," and "wrecker"--because they're dabbling in the same authoritarianism as dogmatic Stalinism: ideology that can only be failed or betrayed.

173 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:35:07pm

re: #166 Decatur Deb

Syphilus was a guy with a huge sack whose punishment in Tartarus was to drag it to the top of a big hill, only to have it fall painfully back down.

I thought he was rolling Hugh Balzack up the hill.

174 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:35:59pm

Just got here. Fuck these blatant racists and GO GATORS!

175 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:36:05pm

Just figured out my latest band name:

Syphilus Daisy Deathcamp.

176 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:37:03pm

re: #171 I Don't Remember

He needs to get acquainted with the guy who invented the wheel. Pirelli or Firestone was his name I think.

His name was Wheel.

177 parkinson1963  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:37:25pm

Mean while the GOP is offering "HOODIES OF DEATH" for sale.

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178 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:38:40pm

re: #177 parkinson1963

Mean while the GOP is offering "HOODIES OF DEATH" for sale.

[Link: www.gopstore.com...]

Killed that page in a hurry.

179 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:38:51pm

A bit more on the confusion between Latino and Hispanic:

[Link: www.thefreedictionary.com...]

Though often used interchangeably in American English, Hispanic and Latino are not identical terms, and in certain contexts the choice between them can be significant. Hispanic, from the Latin word for "Spain," has the broader reference, potentially encompassing all Spanish-speaking peoples in both hemispheres and emphasizing the common denominator of language among communities that sometimes have little else in common. Latino which in Spanish means "Latin" but which as an English word is probably a shortening of the Spanish word latinoamericano refers more exclusively to persons or communities of Latin American origin. Of the two, only Hispanic can be used in referring to Spain and its history and culture; a native of Spain residing in the United States is a Hispanic, not a Latino, and one cannot substitute Latino in the phrase the Hispanic influence on native Mexican cultures without garbling the meaning. In practice, however, this distinction is of little significance when referring to residents of the United States, most of whom are of Latin American origin and can theoretically be called by either word.

A more important distinction concerns the sociopolitical rift that has opened between Latino and Hispanic in American usage. For a certain segment of the Spanish-speaking population, Latino is a term of ethnic pride and Hispanic a label that borders on the offensive. According to this view, Hispanic lacks the authenticity and cultural resonance of Latino, with its Spanish sound and its ability to show the feminine form Latina when used of women.

Furthermore, Hispanic the term used by the U.S. Census Bureau and other government agencies is said to bear the stamp of an Anglo establishment far removed from the concerns of the Spanish-speaking community. While these views are strongly held by some, they are by no means universal, and the division in usage seems as related to geography as it is to politics, with Latino widely preferred in California and Hispanic the more usual term in Florida and Texas. Even in these regions, however, usage is often mixed, and it is not uncommon to find both terms used by the same writer or speaker.

180 parkinson1963  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:39:12pm

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181 Kragar  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:39:55pm

re: #168 Kronocide

SISSYphus. SISSYphus!

I guess PUSSYphus was too over the top.

182 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:40:56pm

re: #179 Lidane

This seems to clear things up, thanks. So it would also be proper to call GZ a Latino?

183 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:42:53pm

re: #179 Lidane

A bit more on the confusion between Latino and Hispanic:

[Link: www.thefreedictionary.com...]

This is getting pedantic. Let's talk about whether those Scottish Presbyterian bastards are really Irish-American.

184 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:43:54pm

re: #182 Liberal Entity

This seems to clear things up, thanks. So it would also be proper to call GZ a Latino?

Yes.

185 funky chicken  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:45:32pm

So, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears to me that the protestors reproduced a picture for their signs, and the reproduction made this victim's skin tone look darker. Thus they darkened him while proclaiming his innocence, which is exactly the opposite of Riehl's claim.

How dumb do you have to be to publish something like this anyway? Dan Riehl just proclaimed to the world that he thinks darker skinned blacks are more likely to be guilty of a crime than lighter skinned ones.

186 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:46:39pm

re: #185 funky chicken

Yes, the darkening was most likely a result of poor reproduction.

187 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:46:52pm

re: #185 funky chicken

How dumb do you have to be to publish something like this anyway?

It's Dan Riehl. Is anyone surprised?

188 abolitionist  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:46:55pm

Zimmerman may have simply mistaken Trayvon with another dude with a bad rep --the Grim Reaper.
/

189 Gus  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:47:46pm

Damn. This attracted some crazy dude.

190 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:48:08pm

re: #183 Decatur Deb

This is getting pedantic. Let's talk about whether those Scottish Presbyterian bastards are really Irish-American.

Right.

It doesn't fucking matter except to those bigots trying to deflect blame from themselves to anybody on the left.

They really are shit flinging chimps even when the shit is all in their heads.

191 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:48:43pm

Nice little earthquake...

192 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:49:41pm

re: #185 funky chicken

So, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears to me that the protestors reproduced a picture for their signs, and the reproduction made this victim's skin tone look darker. Thus they darkened him while proclaiming his innocence, which is exactly the opposite of Riehl's claim.

How dumb do you have to be to publish something like this anyway? Dan Riehl just proclaimed to the world that he thinks darker skinned blacks are more likely to be guilty of a crime than lighter skinned ones.

Didn't he though?

I doubt he can smell the shit he stepped in because of the preexisting shit coming out of his mouth.

193 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:52:14pm

Given Dan Riehl's fantasies of beating up black boys, I can picture him in GZ's place. Probably so can he, which is why he spews.

194 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:52:40pm

re: #182 Liberal Entity

This seems to clear things up, thanks. So it would also be proper to call GZ a Latino?

AND white.

195 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:53:30pm

re: #193 Liberal Entity

Given Dan Riehl's fantasies of beating up black boys, I can picture him in GZ's place. Probably so can he, which is why he spews.

It wasn't because he's racist. The Metro riders triggered his hoodiephobia.

196 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:54:26pm
197 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:56:33pm

re: #194 wrenchwench

AND white.

That too. Latino is a cultural and ethnic identifier. It's not a race.

Racially, I'm white. I've had people ask me over the years if I'm Italian or Greek, just based on my looks. They're often shocked to find out I'm Mexican-American, and that I identify as Latina. They've got a picture in mind of what a Mexican looks like, and it's not me.

198 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:58:01pm

re: #197 Lidane

That too. Latino is a cultural and ethnic identifier. It's not a race.

Racially, I'm white. I've had people ask me over the years if I'm Italian or Greek, just based on my looks. They're often shocked to find out I'm Mexican-American, and that I identify as Latina. They've got a picture in mind of what a Mexican looks like, and it's not me.

Ricardo Montalban?
Anthony Quinn?
Cheech Marin?

199 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:58:07pm

re: #197 Lidane

That too. Latino is a cultural and ethnic identifier. It's not a race.

Racially, I'm white. I've had people ask me over the years if I'm Italian or Greek, just based on my looks. They're often shocked to find out I'm Mexican-American, and that I identify as Latina. They've got a picture in mind of what a Mexican looks like, and it's not me.

All Mexican woman are hot.

200 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:58:23pm

re: #197 Lidane

BUT BUT BUT
YOUR NO ARIAN!!!1

201 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:58:29pm

Now Zimmerman has Newt Gingrich, Alan West, Jeb Bush and the author of the SYG law telling him that it does not apply in his case...

Pretty scary when those guys start occupying the moral high ground.

202 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:58:40pm

Hilariously stupid:

203 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:59:01pm

The 2nd Reflection meme: Trayvon Martin outrage is opportunity for race hustlers to incite race tension.

204 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:59:13pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

Riehl is just another JAQ-off.

205 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:00:02pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

Hilariously stupid:

It's amazing how unhinged the left gets if you dare to ask reasonable questions that might change their preferred narrative.

Ha! Implying he's ever actually done that.

206 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:00:18pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

Ricardo Montalban?
Anthony Quinn?
Cheech Marin?

Nope. The day laborers they see hanging out in front of Home Depot.

207 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:00:35pm

re: #196 Kronocide

Can't wait for @DanRiehl's explosive post proving Trayvon Martin's photos airbrushed to hide striking resemblance to Ol' Dirty Bastard
— Gen JC Christian (@JC_Christian) March 24, 2012

The ODB couldn't possibly have committed all those crimes...Coolio did some of that shit! - Chris Rock, "No Sex in the Champagne Room"

///

208 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:00:35pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

Hilariously stupid:

Console yourself, knowing your blog has taught Riehl how to spell "syphilis".

209 Kragar  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:01:45pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

210 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:01:51pm

re: #206 Lidane

Nope. The day laborers they see hanging out in front of Home Depot.

Funny, but the greatest Mexican stereotype has to be Eli Wallach.

211 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:02:01pm

There you are.

212 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:02:28pm

Darker = more thuggish.

213 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:02:36pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

Hilariously stupid:

Ah finishing off projection/projection/allegations of syphilus/projection with a blatantly false narrative.

Consistent, I'll give him that.

214 erik_t  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:03:26pm

Back from a seven-odd mile run at HH:59 for a HH+1:00 game broadcast start. Excellent timing: I haz it.

215 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:03:33pm

re: #200 Liberal Entity

Aryan comes from the original speakers of Indo-Aryan languages which includes Indians, who aren't known for being melanin challenged.

216 Gus  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:04:47pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

Hilariously stupid:

Unhinged? Right, unhinged. Sort of like that MattX guy? I'm not unhinged. This is practically a hobby of mine.

217 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:05:07pm

re: #212 Liberal Entity

Darker = more thuggish.

Ya, unfortunately this asshole racism exists. Michael Jackson bleached his own body because of it. So sad.

218 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:05:19pm

re: #212 Liberal Entity

Darker = more thuggish.

Darker = more likely to wear a hoodie with the hood up.

219 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:05:52pm

re: #215 I Don't Remember

Aryan comes from the original speakers of Indo-Aryan languages which includes Indians, who aren't known for being melanin challenged.

NO ARIAN IS BLUEYED BLONDE
STUF RASE TRAITER!!!1

220 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:07:50pm
221 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:08:04pm

UNLIEK U DAN REIHEIL IS TRU ARIAN!

222 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:08:28pm

re: #220 Kronocide

What a fuck head.

223 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:09:24pm

Riehl just doesn't know when to stop digging:

224 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:10:11pm

Hey, Riehl?
DC METRO IS UNDER YOUR BED!

225 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:11:18pm
226 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:11:28pm

re: #223 Charles Johnson

Riehl just doesn't know when to stop digging:

The function of media is manipulation--nothing of Breitbart there.

227 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:12:30pm

re: #223 Charles Johnson

"I want to know if the media manipulated it Bcuz 1 version makes him look more thuggish"

If Trayvon Martin is his standard for "thuggishness", then he has truly just indicted the entire race.

Well, I guess he had already done that ages ago...

228 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:14:09pm

I think Jim Hoft has a personal tragedy today. For today he's become a mere 2nd dumbest right-wing blogger in the world.

229 Kragar  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:14:54pm

re: #220 Kronocide

So there were no catholic priests at the rally, so what?

231 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:18:23pm

I think I'm gonna have a sadz: Riehl blocked me on Twitter. I cant get direct Derp again.

232 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:19:25pm

"It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of derp in the minds of men."
Teaparty Samuel Adams

233 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:21:49pm
I thought my son would be much older before I had to tell him about the Black Male Code. He's only 12, still sleeping with stuffed animals, still afraid of the dark. But after the Trayvon Martin tragedy, I needed to explain to my child that soon people might be afraid of him.

[...]

234 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:23:03pm

re: #233 wrenchwench

I thought my son would be much older before I had to tell him about the Black Male Code. He's only 12, still sleeping with stuffed animals, still afraid of the dark. But after the Trayvon Martin tragedy, I needed to explain to my child that soon people might be afraid of him.

Bloody hell.

235 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:24:57pm

Putting on my camo hoodie--out to walk the dog. BBL.

236 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:25:40pm

Lots of inferences from wingnuts that Trayvon was beating Zimmerman's ass.

Legal under the Stand Your Ground law.

237 bubba zanetti  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:27:20pm

re: #196 Kronocide

KILLA BEES ON DA SWARM!

Sorry, had to get my Wu on.

238 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:27:48pm

re: #235 Decatur Deb

Putting on my camo hoodie--out to walk the dog. BBL.

And on that note, may I present the first famous criminal known for wearing a hoodie. The only "dark" thing about his appearance is the glasses.

239 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:28:34pm

re: #233 wrenchwench

cries.

240 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:28:42pm

re: #236 Kronocide

Lots of inferences from wingnuts that Trayvon was beating Zimmerman's ass.

Legal under the Stand Your Ground law.

If I want to legally kill somebody in FL, I'd just let her beat the crap out of me for a minute or two.

241 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:30:12pm

re: #233 wrenchwench

Image: x2_b992af0.jpg

242 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:30:34pm

re: #236 Kronocide

Lots of inferences from wingnuts that Trayvon was beating Zimmerman's ass.

Legal under the Stand Your Ground law.

If true, GZ was a wimp despite his size. With a gun and delusions of grandeur. A deadly combination.

243 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:31:54pm

re: #242 Liberal Entity

If true, GZ was a wimp despite his size. With a gun and delusions of grandeur. A deadly combination.

just the sort of person SYG was desinged for...

244 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:36:50pm

re: #236 Kronocide

Lots of inferences from wingnuts that Trayvon was beating Zimmerman's ass.

Legal under the Stand Your Ground law.

We will NEVER know. That is the shame. Sanford PD had zero respect/thought/fucking consideration for the dead kid.

245 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:37:33pm

The first thuggish hoodie wearing evil person? A white anti government nutbar.

246 Gus  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:39:28pm

Get a load of this douche.

Read the Tweet and then look at his profile image. He just uploaded it. Now he's going on some strange Stormfront "blacks are in prison because..." rant.

247 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:39:40pm

[tweet

248 Gus  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:42:55pm

re: #247 Kronocide

[tweet

[Embedded content]

What in the world does that mean? I should probably not even bother trying to understand.

249 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:44:03pm

re: #248 Gus

What in the world does that mean?

It means "No, U!"

250 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:44:25pm

re: #241 jaunte

Image: x2_b992af0.jpg

He could be next:

16 Lidane3/23/2012 11:23:15 am PDT

Did Trayvon Shooter Abuse 911?

But starting in 2011, Zimmerman’s calls increasingly focused on what he considered “suspicious” characters walking around the neighborhood—almost all of whom were young black males.

On April 22, 2011, Zimmerman called to report a black male about “7-9” years old, four feet tall, with a “skinny build” and short black hair. There is no indication in the police report of the reason for Zimmerman’s suspicion of the boy.

251 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:44:54pm

Wow.

252 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:45:18pm

re: #250 wrenchwench

"Four-footer, coming in low. Be on your guard!"

253 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:46:29pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

Wow.

Caution: Big Dig Ahead.

254 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:46:58pm

re: #246 Gus

Get a load of this douche.

Read the Tweet and then look at his profile image. He just uploaded it. Now he's going on some strange Stormfront "blacks are in prison because..." rant.

He was born a poor black child...

255 Gus  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:48:10pm

re: #254 Decatur Deb

He was born a poor black child...

I'm not big on the eye thing but damn. Those eyes sure convey something sinister.

256 gummitch  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:50:08pm

re: #52 Kronocide

I do like the part about "our side" always being reactionary. 'Zactly what we called them back in the 60s.

257 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:50:10pm

re: #246 Gus

Get a load of this douche.

Read the Tweet and then look at his profile image. He just uploaded it. Now he's going on some strange Stormfront "blacks are in prison because..." rant.

He had his photo lightened.

//

258 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:50:11pm

re: #246 Gus

Get a load of this douche.

Read the Tweet and then look at his profile image. He just uploaded it. Now he's going on some strange Stormfront "black are in prison because" rant.

He has the complete pathology:

259 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:50:18pm

Had a good on-topic walk. A half-dozen black and white teenagers were having a conflict on a lawn around the corner. Those water balloons hurt, but one of the girls was standing her ground.

260 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:51:19pm

re: #259 Decatur Deb

Had a good on-topic walk. A half-dozen black and white teenagers were having a conflict on a lawn around the corner. Those water balloons hurt, but one of the girls was standing her ground.

*Drops atomic water balloon on Decatur's house*

261 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:51:23pm

re: #259 Decatur Deb

Had a good on-topic walk. A half-dozen black and white teenagers were having a conflict on a lawn around the corner. Those water balloons hurt, but one of the girls was standing her ground.

were any of them wearing hoodies?

262 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:53:00pm

re: #261 Second Amendment Renegation

were any of them wearing hoodies?

Wet jeans, mostly.

(I was the only idiot in a jacket, hiding my house-painting shirt.)

263 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:53:24pm

re: #255 Gus

I'm not big on the eye thing but damn. Those eyes sure convey something sinister.

He has flatfish eyes just like Scott Walker, one slightly above the other. His grandfather was probably a flounder.

264 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:54:03pm

I just had a nice walk up in Harlem.

Even though I was the only white guy around a few times, nobody followed me around and then shot me.

It was pretty rad.

265 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:54:07pm

Miami Heat Protest Trayvon Martin Case, Beat Detroit Pistons 88-73

LeBron James had 17 points and 10 assists to lead the Miami Heat to their fourth straight victory, 88-73 over the Detroit Pistons on Friday night.

Dwyane Wade added 24 points for the Heat, who posed for a photo earlier in the day wearing team-logo hoodies. Players were speaking out following the death of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black teenager wearing a hooded sweatshirt who was shot by a neighborhood crime-watch volunteer last month in a suburb of Orlando, Fla.

Several Heat players, including Wade and James, took the floor with messages such as "RIP Trayvon Martin" and "We want justice" scrawled on their sneakers.

266 allegro  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:54:22pm

There was a whole 'nother angle on the current discussions of this case, at least to me, that I saw on Digby's blog. Haven't heard anyone mention it here either:

What's missing from the Trayvon Martin tragedy?

Think about it. Every other situation in which an innocent person gets gunned down there is a cacophony of gun nuts screeching that if only this person had been armed he could have defended himself. It's been the basis of every concealed and open carry argument for the last couple of decades.

And yet, in this case, nothing. No impassioned appeals for loosening the gun laws so that ordinary Americans could go to the store in the evening to buy some candy and an iced tea without getting stalked and shot by some unhinged vigilante. No solemn op-eds about the dangers for average Americans when venturing unarmed into the streets of their own neighborhoods. No fiery speeches from Wayne LaPierre insisting that if only everyone in the neighborhood had been armed with submachine guns they could have run outside and started firing immediately upon hearing the screams for help. Nada. Why do you suppose that is?

267 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:55:01pm

And now, of course, Riehl is having fantasies of violence:

268 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:55:21pm

Not enough idiot vigilantism. Want more!

Indiana Governor Signs Bill Allowing Citizens To Use Deadly Force Against Police Officers Into Law

As the state Supreme Court said, sometimes police officers have to enter homes to prevent the destruction of evidence or to prevent someone from grabbing a weapon in their home to use against police or someone else. Sometimes police must pursue suspects in their homes. But this bill reverses that ruling and gives those suspects the legal authority to slay police officers. It’s the equivalent of Florida’s ‘Stand Your Ground’ law that led to the killing of Trayvon Martin.

269 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:56:13pm

re: #266 allegro

There was a whole 'nother angle on the current discussions of this case, at least to me, that I saw on Digby's blog. Haven't heard anyone mention it here either:

Well yeah. It's just another reason why all of this situation stinks.

270 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:56:26pm

Dan Riehl declares war on hair.

271 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:57:41pm

re: #268 jaunte

Not enough idiot vigilantism. Want more!

Indiana Governor Signs Bill Allowing Citizens To Use Deadly Force Against Police Officers Into Law

What could possibly go wrong?

272 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:58:26pm

I've been trying to understand the absurd meme:

Those who cry racism are the real racists

Which is odd. The left supports affirmative action, multiculturalism, minority status improvement, etc.

Yet the left is still supposedly racist.

I'm assuming that at it's core, it's a defensive projection mechanism. Irrational, emotional, and hypersensitive.

273 Mocking Jay  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:58:29pm

re: #268 jaunte

Not enough idiot vigilantism. Want more!

Indiana Governor Signs Bill Allowing Citizens To Use Deadly Force Against Police Officers Into Law

Wait what why is this even I don't

274 Gus  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:58:36pm

re: #270 jaunte

Dan Riehl declares war on hair.

What is this 1966?

275 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:59:18pm

re: #271 Lidane

When you go to the cui bono question, it looks like another win for the gun makers.

276 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:59:44pm

re: #268 jaunte

Not enough idiot vigilantism. Want more!

Indiana Governor Signs Bill Allowing Citizens To Use Deadly Force Against Police Officers Into Law

Alright.
That's it.
American's have proven their immaturity and should no longer have guns.
Jesus H. Christ.

277 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:03:51pm

re: #272 Kronocide

I've been trying to understand the absurd meme:

Those who cry racism are the real racists

Which is odd. The left supports affirmative action, multiculturalism, minority status improvement, etc.

Because affirmative action is "reverse racism", multiculturalsism is about "destroying white culture" and minority status improvement is about "creating disadvantages for white people".

You need to get your dogwhistle re-pitched.

/

278 Mocking Jay  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:04:06pm

I need Dark_Falcon to log on and tell us again why police unions have nothing to fear from GOP governors...

279 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:04:47pm

re: #276 +1 Adidas Hoodie of Justice

Alright.
That's it.
American's have proven their immaturity and should no longer have guns.
Jesus H. Christ.

That's somewhat hyperbolic, but damn!
I'm mad.

280 Mocking Jay  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:05:54pm

re: #279 +1 Adidas Hoodie of Justice

That's somewhat hyperbolic, but damn!
I'm mad.

I'm starting to have this sneaking suspicion that the firearms manufacturers don't have our best interests in mind...

281 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:06:00pm

re: #276 +1 Adidas Hoodie of Justice

See, I think people should be allowed to use deadly force against police officers that are attempting to use deadly force on them-- if they're innocent, of course. And I also think that the law should allow that, when people bust down your door screaming, you may think that someone is coming to kill you and fire in perceived self-defense. However, I also think that you have a duty to retreat, just like I do for any other aggressor, and if the police are identifying themselves as such you don't have the right to resist.

However, there are places where if a cop used a no-knock warrant, doesn't identify themselves, and kicks down your door, and you have nowhere to flee and shoot them, you are liable for murder. I do think that's fucked up. This law, however, appears to go far beyond allowing people to defend themselves against that sort of thing.

282 Gus  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:06:27pm
283 Amory Blaine  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:07:03pm

Focused like a fucking laser on job creation.

284 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:07:28pm

Welcome to Pre-Post-Apocoplytic America!

285 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:08:51pm

re: #267 Charles Johnson

And now, of course, Riehl is having fantasies of violence:

Fact is, if @Lizardoid walked down the street I grew up on w his ponytail. The white kids and blacks kidz would've kicked his ass 2gether

— DanRiehl (@DanRiehl) March 24, 2012

Ponytails: more dangerous than hoodies.

286 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:09:12pm
287 Gus  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:10:34pm

re: #285 wrenchwench

Ponytails: more dangerous than hoodies.

That's funny. I could have sworn that Republican and redneck favorite Ted Nugent has a ponytail. Most of the founding fathers had ponytails.

288 Mocking Jay  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:10:46pm

I get it now. Law enforcement is just one more big government concept that they want to get rid of. Make every man the law unto himself. That's where this leads.

289 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:11:10pm


translation: I laugh at you losers because I kicked your ass.

290 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:11:19pm

re: #288 Altar Boy of Darwinism

I get it now. Law enforcement is just one more big government concept that they want to get rid of. Make every man the law unto himself. That's where this leads.

You gonna be a Raider or a Slaver???
/

291 Mocking Jay  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:11:34pm

re: #287 Gus

Ponytails: more dangerous than hoodies.

That's funny. I could have sworn that Republican and redneck favorite Ted Nugent has a ponytail. Most of the founding fathers had ponytails.

Their ponytails were for Jesus or something or other.

292 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:12:32pm
293 Mocking Jay  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:12:37pm

re: #290 +1 Adidas Hoodie of Justice

You gonna be a Raider or a Slaver???
/

Is the Brotherhood taking applications? They get the cool stuff...

294 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:13:16pm

re: #293 Altar Boy of Darwinism

Is the Brotherhood taking applications? They get the cool stuff...

Huh, I just shoot them and take the cool stuff.
XD

295 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:13:37pm

re: #291 Altar Boy of Darwinism

Their ponytails were for Jesus or something or other.

Jesus would have had a ponytail, but they didn't have rubber bands back then.

296 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:13:59pm

re: #287 Gus

That's funny. I could have sworn that Republican and redneck favorite Ted Nugent has a ponytail. Most of the founding fathers had ponytails.

Ah, but Charles disagrees with Dan Riehl. That means he suddenly has the wrong kind of hair.

297 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:15:02pm

Omg peeps, need a gator prayer about now. Hands held, "GO GATORS!"

Gracias in advance.

298 ReamWorks SKG  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:15:24pm

Wow! One difference between FL and CA. Check out this report that just came over a neighborhood mailing list for Los Altos Hills, CA. The homeowner showed amazing restraint--not killing a robber who was in his house.

Burglary on Nicole Lane . The victim in the above incident arrived home yesterday at 4pm and heard his dog barking strangely. He dropped his groceries off in the kitchen (which is in the upper level of the house) and proceeded to his master bedroom to retrieve his 9mm handgun. He then went to the stairs and saw the suspect holding two bags of property in his downstairs living room. He asked the suspect what he was taking, but the suspect didn't answer, nor did he flee. Being in fear, he then fired a warning shot next to the suspect. The suspect dropped both bags and fled out to the backyard. The suspect had forced entry into the house through the bathroom window. The suspect was wearing gloves when the victim saw him, but deputies still processed the window area and lifted numerous fingerprints from the window and screen. If the suspect was wearing gloves when he entered, the prints will most likely belong to the victim. The suspect had approximately $975 worth of the victim's property in the two bags, including 5 camcorders, 11 watches, a flashlight, nicorette gum, two checks belonging to the victim, and some small miscellaneous items. All of the victim's property was left on scene. The suspect's face was covered with a bandana, and he was wearing sunglasses and a hat.
He was described as a heavy set hispanic male adult, approximately 45-50 years old, 5'7" tall and wearing a dark gray shirt and blue jeans.
As you know, deputies searched the immediate area and also used the Sheriff's helicopter, Star 1, to canvass the area. The victim waited until 6pm to report the incident to deputies, which gave the suspect ample time to flee the area, before deputies responded.
The victim purposefully fired a warning shot in hopes the suspect would flee, because he didn't want to kill the suspect.
Captain Ken Binder #1682
West Valley Patrol Division
Office of the Sheriff, Santa Clara County

299 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:15:24pm

re: #297 Hoodies for Justice. T

Omg peeps, need a gator prayer about now. Hands held, "GO GATORS!"

Gracias in advance.

Golf???

300 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:15:37pm

re: #296 Lidane

Ah, but Charles disagrees with Dan Riehl. That means he suddenly has the wrong kind of hair.

[Embedded content]

"So I put my hair up under my hoodie... oops, oh shit..."

301 Mocking Jay  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:15:48pm

re: #295 wrenchwench

Jesus would have had a ponytail, but they didn't have rubber bands back then.

A man who can turn water into wine can't make rubber out of twine?

302 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:16:48pm

re: #297 Hoodies for Justice. T

Omg peeps, need a gator prayer about now. Hands held, "GO GATORS!"

Gracias in advance.

Would never in a million years consider pulling for a team from Florida...EXCEPT for the fact I dig you. Go Gators!

303 Kragar  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:17:05pm

re: #300 wrenchwench

"So I put my hair up under my hoodie... oops, oh shit..."

Nazi.

304 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:20:55pm

Joe the Plumber interview. It's a howler.

He'll cry lamestream media victimhood in 5...4...3..

305 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:24:28pm

I appears David Frum is listening to Sergey, who I first heard make the point several hours ago:

Trayvon Martin was legal to beat Zimmerman's ass under Stand Your Ground law.

306 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:25:44pm
307 blueraven  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:30:39pm

One thing is for sure. The Sanford police department acted stupidly. There is just no getting around that fact.

This may be a result of an institutional racial bias, or maybe a result of all the state government cuts on education, police & fire departments etc...

When you cut these departments, proper training is probably the first casualty.

308 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:31:21pm

re: #304 Kronocide

Joe the Plumber interview. It's a howler.

He'll cry lamestream media victimhood in 5...4...3..

this is the modern GOP naarative: Who needs qualifications? It's about espousing and personifying conservative values. How else can you explain a party that took Michelle Bachmann or Herman Caine seriously as candidates?

309 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:31:52pm

re: #305 Kronocide

I appears David Frum is listening to Sergey, who I first heard make the point several hours ago:

Trayvon Martin was legal to beat Zimmerman's ass under Stand Your Ground law.

Sergey reads me:

229 wrenchwench 3/22/2012 4:07:14 pm PDT

I was thinkin' while I was fixing that last bike. If anybody had a "stand your ground" right that night in Sanford, it was Trayvon. It just doesn't work when you're unarmed. The law seems intended for gun toters only.

310 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:31:55pm

re: #308 Second Amendment Renegation

this is the modern GOP naarative: Who needs qualifications? It's about espousing and personifying conservative values. How else can you explain a party that took Michelle Bachmann or Herman Caine seriously as candidates?

Or Sarah Palin.

311 ReamWorks SKG  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:32:13pm

BTW, now "mainstream" anti-Semitic groups are saying (falsely) that Zimmerman was Jewish, for example:

[Link: www.veteranstoday.com...]

All based on the "fact" that there are a few Jews that share the common German/Lutheran name of "Zimmerman"

(When I first started looking at this a few days ago, only radical African American bloggers were saying this. Now white anti-Semites have picked it up, too. Can't they find actual Jews to use as examples?)

312 Mocking Jay  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:33:18pm

re: #311 ReamWorks

BTW, now "mainstream" anti-Semitic groups are saying (falsely) that Zimmerman was Jewish, for example:

[Link: www.veteranstoday.com...]

All based on the "fact" that there are a few Jews that share the common German/Lutheran name of "Zimmerman"

Yeah, when someone posted that earlier I honestly thought it was sarc for a hot second.

313 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:33:32pm

re: #306 Lidane

why isn't it Trayvon Martin who gets the benefit of the "stand yr ground" statute?

— davidfrum (@davidfrum) March 24, 2012

Why didn't Trayvon Martin under FL law have a valid legal right to attack his deadly stalker?

— davidfrum (@davidfrum) March 24, 2012

Because he's dead. The justification structure of SYG means that the survivor (aka, the killer) gets first dibs on creating the narrative.

Also because it's likely that the precise Zimmerman narrative will emphasize that his conduct wasn't technically illegal: he was being a nutjob bully dickhead, but as long as it can't be proved that he used violence first, then SYG doesn't apply. On the other hand Zimmerman's lawyer will point to his injury and suggest that Martin hit out first, and that Zimmerman could thus be considered defending himself.

314 blueraven  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:34:24pm

re: #311 ReamWorks

BTW, now "mainstream" anti-Semitic groups are saying (falsely) that Zimmerman was Jewish, for example:

[Link: www.veteranstoday.com...]

All based on the "fact" that there are a few Jews that share the common German/Lutheran name of "Zimmerman"

This case is pulling out all the loons, racists and troublemakers from all sides.

315 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:35:03pm

re: #313 The Ghost of a Flea

Because he's dead. The justification structure of SYG means that the survivor (aka, the killer) gets first dibs on creating the narrative.

Also because it's likely that the precise Zimmerman narrative will emphasize that his conduct wasn't technically illegal: he was being a nutjob bully dickhead, but as long as it can't be proved that he used violence first, then SYG doesn't apply. On the other hand Zimmerman's lawyer will point to his injury and suggest that Martin hit out first, and that Zimmerman could thus be considered defending himself.

it is the sort of law that encourages you not to leave any living witnesses...

316 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:36:51pm

I wouldn't be surprised to see a posse of crazies ride into town on horseback hooting and hollering and firing randomly into the air before exiting town.

317 Kragar  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:38:37pm

re: #316 +1 Adidas Hoodie of Justice

I wouldn't be surprised to see a posse of crazies ride into town on horseback hooting and hollering and firing randomly into the air before exiting town.

Oh, you mean a number 7.

318 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:39:13pm

David Frum: Trayvon Martin, and the backlash against the backlash

Like nothing else since 2009, the Trayvon Martin case has jolted black America. Tens of thousands of people have signed digital petitions demanding a federal investigation. Demonstrations have begun to take place in Florida and elsewhere. A community that has had much reason since 2009 to ask, “Why bother with politics?” suddenly has found an answer.

Martin’s killer, George Zimmerman, could plead self-defence because of Florida’s peculiar gun laws. Under the old law inherited by the English-speaking world, an armed man has a “duty to retreat.” Not in Florida. In 2005, Florida adopted what’s called a “stand your ground” law. These laws — increasingly common in southern states — permit an armed man to shoot in self-defence even if he could have avoided the fight without shooting.

“Stand your ground” laws become especially lethal when combined with other new laws that grant people in the majority of U.S. states the right to carry weapons in public, and even concealed weapons.

U.S. gun laws have become more permissive even as U.S. crime rates have sharply declined. Why?

319 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:41:14pm

re: #317 Kragar

Oh, you mean a number 7.

No, a Number 6:

Taggart: I got it, I got it!
Hedley Lamarr: You do?
Taggart: We'll work up a "Number 6" on 'em!
Hedley Lamarr: "Number 6"? I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that one...
Taggart: Well, that's where we go a-ridin' into town, a whampin' and whompin' every livin' thing that moves within an inch of its life. Except the women folks, of course.
Hedley Lamarr: You spare the women?
Taggart: Naw--We rape the shit out of them at the Number 6 Dance later on!
Hedley Lamarr: Marvelous!

/thanks, Mel Brooks

320 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:41:45pm

*sob* I miss Hoops right now, but dude is on the DATE of the century. It helps.

321 Kragar  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:43:01pm

re: #319 talon_262

No, a Number 6:

/thanks, Mel Brooks

No, a number 7, a number 6 is where you beat everyone in town, a number 7 is just hootin, hollerin, and firing your guns.

322 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:43:35pm

re: #306 Lidane

The thing is, they BOTH probably had SYG priveldge under the law. So would two guys who were both armed who perceived each other as a threat, as long as they could make some case for it being reasonable. Say one guy hears a scream from an alley, and goes down into it with his gun drawn. Another guy sees him running around with a gun and thinks he's about to shoot someone-- commit a violent felony-- and so he pulls his gun and tell the first guy to drop his. With a gun trained on him, the first guy can make a reasonable case that he's in fear for his life, and shoot the second guy-- and the second guy can shoot the first guy, because this law exists, so he knows the first guy has the legal right to shoot him.

Wee!

323 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:44:56pm

re: #322 Obdicut

and even better if they are both wearing hoodies...

324 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:46:15pm

re: #313 The Ghost of a Flea

Because he's dead. The justification structure of SYG means that the survivor (aka, the killer) gets first dibs on creating the narrative.

Also because it's likely that the precise Zimmerman narrative will emphasize that his conduct wasn't technically illegal: he was being a nutjob bully dickhead, but as long as it can't be proved that he used violence first, then SYG doesn't apply. On the other hand Zimmerman's lawyer will point to his injury and suggest that Martin hit out first, and that Zimmerman could thus be considered defending himself.

re: #313 The Ghost of a Flea

Because he's dead. The justification structure of SYG means that the survivor (aka, the killer) gets first dibs on creating the narrative.

Also because it's likely that the precise Zimmerman narrative will emphasize that his conduct wasn't technically illegal: he was being a nutjob bully dickhead, but as long as it can't be proved that he used violence first, then SYG doesn't apply. On the other hand Zimmerman's lawyer will point to his injury and suggest that Martin hit out first, and that Zimmerman could thus be considered defending himself.

It is so fucked up. And claim to the FU is the Sanford police. They bore it and it's not going to go away.

325 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:51:09pm

The freaking autocorrect of my iPad makes my posts terribly non worthy. Of something.

326 ReamWorks SKG  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:51:21pm

Ok! Now here's an outrageous outrage!

The WASHINGTON POST is reporting that Zimmerman "was once a Catholic altar boy — with a surname that could have been Jewish."

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

This is a vicious slander against Jews. The Jews have NOTHING to do with Zimmerman.

327 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:52:57pm

Or something. Give up.

328 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:54:14pm

re: #326 ReamWorks

Ok! Now here's an outrageous outrage!

The WASHINGTON POST is reporting that Zimmerman "was once a Catholic altar boy — with a surname that could have been Jewish."

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

This is a vicious slander against Jews. The Jews have NOTHING to do with Zimmerman.

You are the only link I've seen to Jews. Let it go.

329 ReamWorks SKG  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:59:10pm

I didn't realize it's behing a paywall. Here's the WASHINGTON POST article

The shooter was once a Catholic altar boy — with a surname that could have been Jewish.

His father is white, neighbors say. His mother is Latina. And his family is eager to point out that some of his relatives are black.

After declaring victories in getting federal and state officials to investigate the case of an unarmed black teenager shot to death by a neighborhood watch captain, civil rights leaders continued to pressure authorities to make an arrest.
There may be no box to check for George Zimmerman, no tidy way to categorize, define and sort the 28-year-old man whose pull of a trigger on a darkened Florida street is forcing America to once again confront its fraught relationship with race and identity. The victim, we know, was named Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager in a hoodie. The rest becomes a matter for interpretation.

330 blueraven  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:59:36pm

re: #326 ReamWorks

Ok! How here's an outrageous outrage!

The WASHINGTON POST is reporting that Zimmerman "was once a Catholic altar boy — with a surname that could have been Jewish."

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

This is a vicious slander against Jews. The Jews have NOTHING to do with Zimmerman.

Oh come on!

The shooter was once a Catholic altar boy — with a surname that could have been Jewish.

His father is white, neighbors say. His mother is Latina. And his family is eager to point out that some of his relatives are black.

There may be no box to check for George Zimmerman, no tidy way to categorize, define and sort the 28-year-old man whose pull of a trigger on a darkened Florida street is forcing America to once again confront its fraught relationship with race and identity. The victim, we know, was named Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager in a hoodie. The rest becomes a matter for interpretation.

They are not trying to tie this in any way to Jews. What they are saying is there is no box to check. If you want to be outraged, then nothing can stop you.

331 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:02:26pm

re: #318 Lidane

David Frum: Trayvon Martin, and the backlash against the backlash

Frum's conclusion:

As is so often the case, Rush Limbaugh gave these new racial fears their most explicit voice. In September 2009, after Drudge publicized an assault on an Illinois school bus, Limbaugh had this to say: “It’s Obama’s America, is it not? Obama’s America — white kids getting beat up on school buses now.”

You can read the answer on the past four years’ worth of front pages on the hugely popular website, the Drudge Report. Month in, month out, Drudge spotlights gruesome black-on-white crimes. In a country of 300 million people, there are always examples. These same stories circulate in e-mail chains — and often become the focus of local right-wing talk-radio shows.

The U.S. journalist Mickey Kaus calls it “under-news”: news that never quite emerges into the national media, but that shapes the consciousness of millions of people. And what is being shaped is a conviction among many white people — especially fearful elderly whites in the South — that the Obama presidency has licensed a rampage of black-on-white violence. That’s not what the statistics say. But as Stephen Colbert would say: statistics are elitist.

This mood of “backlash” has dominated U.S. politics since 2009 — until now. Now the “backlash” has created an apparent martyr in Trayvon Martin. And it is in Martin’s name that the backlash against the backlash will be launched and be heard.

You think the 2012 election will be about economics? Think again.

Nail on the damn head.

332 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:05:28pm

re: #325 Hoodies for Justice. T

The freaking autocorrect of my iPad makes my posts terribly non worthy. Of something.

You can turn it off in the Settings app. I hate autocorrect myself, and always turn it off.

333 Gus  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:08:22pm

Wouldn't you know it. Stormfront was spreading those fake pics of a "Trayvon Martin" 3 days ago. Second link here.

Wouldn't surprise me if that's were those creeps at Jawa Report picked the one up there.

334 ReamWorks SKG  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:09:44pm

According to the Wikipedia, Martin can be a Jewish name

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Martin exits in Spain, but the more comon form of the name is "Marti." (The names “Marty” and “Marti” are forms of the name “Martin.”) Jewish families in medieval Spain (Sephardic) Jews who remained in Spain and agreed to accept Christianity were asked to change their surnames. One of the names taken up by these Jewish conversos (originally kown in Spain as Marranos, but preferred term is 'anusim' which is Hebrew for "forced") was “Marti”. [5]

I know plenty of Jewish "Martins". If the Washington Post wanted to engage in a hypothetical exercise to illustrate a point about race, why didn't they speculate that Trayvon Martin was Jewish? I disagree that the Washington Post's comment was "harmless." At best, it was idiotic.

335 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:11:15pm

re: #334 ReamWorks

Seems like a clumsy attempt to write about race being a problematic subject, which then backfired because it turns out writing about race being a problematic subject is itself a problematic subject.

336 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:12:28pm

Massive radical Tea Party gathering in DC today
[Link: news.daylife.com...]

337 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:13:37pm

re: #333 Gus

Wouldn't you know it. Stormfront was spreading those fake pics of a "Trayvon Martin" 3 days ago. Second link here.

Obliquely related to that, I was thinking that the New Black Panther "bounty" story would turn out to be a Breitbart / O'Keefe-style hoax. Seems right up their alley. I guess not.

338 Gus  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:13:43pm

re: #336 Killgore Trout

Massive radical Tea Party gathering in DC today
[Link: news.daylife.com...]

That's funny. Because you know those two are definitely on Medicare.

339 ReamWorks SKG  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:14:22pm

re: #338 Gus

The Wife looks like she really doesn't want to be there.

340 Gus  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:14:43pm

re: #337 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

Obliquely related to that, I was thinking that the New Black Panther "bounty" story would turn out to be a Breitbart / O'Keefe-style hoax. Seems right up their alley. I guess not.

Well they're riding with that NBP story. The usual. Blaming everything on Obama. Deranged.

341 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:15:43pm

The best right wing blogger minds the internet has to offer

they seem a little amateur, jerking off on twitter to dead black kids

342 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:15:52pm

re: #338 Gus

That's funny. Because you know those two are definitely on Medicare.

Keep yer gubmint hands off mah Medicare and Social Security!

343 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:16:31pm

re: #338 Gus

That's funny. Because you know those two are definitely on Medicare.

Social security too.

344 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:18:15pm

re: #343 Killgore Trout

Hoodie sighting:
[Link: news.daylife.com...]

345 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:18:57pm
346 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:19:46pm

re: #331 The Ghost of a Flea

Frum's conclusion:

Nail on the damn head.

There are a few gobsmacking examples of unbridled white separatist / supremacist comments at that thread. Wowie zowie.

347 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:21:05pm

re: #344 jaunte

Hoodie sighting:
[Link: news.daylife.com...]

He's ready to pull that flag over his face and attack that hippie who has the backpack on.

348 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:21:39pm

re: #344 jaunte

Hoodie sighting:
[Link: news.daylife.com...]

Looks like the "hey obama" sign is Mickey giving the middle finger. Classy.

349 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:22:10pm

re: #348 Killgore Trout

No one looks too happy to be there.

350 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:22:32pm

re: #346 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

There are a few gobsmacking examples of unbridled white separatist / supremacist comments at that thread. Wowie zowie.

"Frum column" is invariably synonymous with "especial craziness in the comments because he's a RINO."

351 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:23:05pm

re: #336 Killgore Trout

Massive radical Tea Party gathering in DC today
[Link: news.daylife.com...]

[David Attenborough voice] - Here we see a wild pair of North American Sourasses in their native habitat. These nobel creatures will stare disapprovingly into the distance for hours at a time, occasionally muttering grunts and murmurs of malcontent.

352 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:23:15pm

re: #349 jaunte

No one looks too happy to be there.

Yeah, pretty glum crowd.

353 engineer cat  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:24:41pm

Lightened to Make Him Look

yeah yeah yeah i know, you're not a racist -

"but"

354 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:27:43pm

re: #336 Killgore Trout

Massive radical Tea Party gathering in DC today
[Link: news.daylife.com...]

Needs moar Button Gwinnett.

Image: 842927914_ZjTg3-L.jpg

355 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:28:39pm

re: #354 Decatur Deb

I always find it hard to believe that people who can afford such fancy costumes are really feeling the hand of the taxman that heavily.

356 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:28:57pm

re: #345 wrenchwench

Aide says Cheney had heart transplant

One was freed-up in Florida.

357 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:30:45pm

re: #354 Decatur Deb

Needs moar Button Gwinnett.

Image: 842927914_ZjTg3-L.jpg

I didn't see him but the Captain America guy was there.

358 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:30:52pm

re: #356 Decatur Deb

One was freed-up in Florida.

Ouch.

359 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:31:02pm

re: #345 wrenchwench

Aide says Cheney had heart transplant

Er, isn't he like 77 or something? I wouldn't think transplants would be that normal for people that age.

360 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:31:05pm

re: #349 jaunte

No one looks too happy to be there.

We're old!
It's raining!
Damn kids!
Get off my lawn!
I'm tired!

361 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:31:53pm

re: #359 Obdicut

Er, isn't he like 77 or something? I wouldn't think transplants would be that normal for people that age.

71.

362 jaunte  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:31:57pm

re: #360 +1 Adidas Hoodie of Justice

It's a compressed lips contest!

363 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:32:45pm

That rally was in my neck of the woods. Been a rainy, dreary day.
I like rainy, dreary days.

364 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:33:08pm

re: #361 wrenchwench

Still. That's pretty darn old. Oh well. I hope his recovery goes well.

365 Decider  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:33:45pm

Ultimately the US is not a racist country. So what we see now from the Right Wing is starting to make me believe that we will see a epic win by Obama in November. Not only that, but any intelligent Republican will leave the GOP.

If you are a Republican don't you question how you can belong to such a racist organization?

366 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:34:22pm

re: #364 Obdicut

Still. That's pretty darn old. Oh well. I hope his recover goes well.

Mr. w is 73, so it seems pretty young to me...

Funny hows one's perception of what different ages mean change over time.

367 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:34:41pm

re: #364 Obdicut

Still. That's pretty darn old. Oh well. I hope his recover goes well.

Young for a Skeksis.

Image: Skeksis.jpg

368 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:34:56pm

re: #365 Decider

Ultimately the US is not a racist country. So what we see now from the Right Wing is starting to make me believe that we will see a epic win by Obama in November. Not only that, but any intelligent Republican will leave the GOP.

If you are a Republican don't you question how you can belong to such a racist organization?

You'd think!

Nah, Obama will win, easily, and there will probably be right-wing domestic terrorism as a result

369 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:37:18pm

re: #356 Decatur Deb

One was freed-up in Florida.

No need. The Emperor had one fabricated for him on Coruscant.

370 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:37:42pm

re: #369 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

No need. The Emperor had one fabricated for him on Coruscant.

That's news to me...

371 Shvaughn  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:38:18pm

re: #311 ReamWorks

(When I first started looking at this a few days ago, only radical African American bloggers were saying this. Now white anti-Semites have picked it up, too. Can't they find actual Jews to use as examples?)

Actually, when you mentioned it before, you provided links to white anti-Semites and falsely claimed that it was "radical African American bloggers."

372 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:38:49pm

re: #370 +1 Adidas Hoodie of Justice

That's news to me...

Gray-market. Some asshole smuggler in a Falcon-class.

373 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:42:57pm

re: #372 Decatur Deb

Gray-market. Some asshole smuggler in a Falcon-class.

"Sorry about the mess..."

374 engineer cat  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:45:19pm

re: #365 Decider

Ultimately the US is not a racist country. So what we see now from the Right Wing is starting to make me believe that we will see a epic win by Obama in November. Not only that, but any intelligent Republican will leave the GOP.

If you are a Republican don't you question how you can belong to such a racist organization?

nobody wants to believe they are a bad person, and practically nobody in this country thinks that racism is acceptable

so you get all these people in the GOP who will tell you "i'm not a racist, but..."

limbaugh and gingrich and their ilk are the ones who have taught these people the rationalizations that come after the "but". they are generally nice people who really don't want to believe they are prejudiced - "but"

375 Kragar  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:50:54pm

Louisiana primary voters hardly enthusiastic about GOP options

Nine Republicans were listed on the presidential primary ballot, including Charles "Buddy" Roemer, a former Louisiana governor who has instead opted to run as a third-party candidate, but for voters interviewed on their way out, only the last two mattered: Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum. And Santorum mattered to many more than Romney, whose supporters sounded tepid.

But few voters seemed thrilled about their choice in the GOP presidential primary, with some settling on a candidate at the very last minute. And several said they liked Newt Gingrich, but didn't vote for him in the end because they believed he can't win the nomination.

Louis and Norma Pelletteri voted for Santorum, settling on him because he is a family man with Christian values. Louis, 55, a captain with the New Orleans Fire Department, picked the former Pennsylvania senator through the process of elimination. "Each one of them, there's something I don't like about them," he said. "He's the lesser of the evils."

Louis said he thought Romney was too much like President Obama. And Norma, 56, an accounting clerk, said she believed that Gingrich represented "old politics."

David Kopelman, 47, who works in procurement at a shipyard, said he saw Santorum on the television news firing a semiautomatic handgun at a shooting range in northern Louisiana and that caught his attention. He owns about 30 guns.

"Guns is one thing. The right to bear arms," he said. "He's going to be my man."

376 Sionainn  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:52:23pm

re: #336 Killgore Trout

Massive radical Tea Party gathering in DC today
[Link: news.daylife.com...]

LOLZ at the guy with the government health care.

377 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:53:44pm

re: #374 engineer cat

limbaugh and gingrich and their ilk are the ones who have taught these people the rationalizations that come after the "but". they are generally nice people who really don't want to believe they are prejudiced - "but"

To the rationalizations, add the paranoid delusional conspiracy ideology. Weird-ass organizational relationship charts connecting Ayers! ACORN! Black Panthers! Labor unions! Soros! The Liberal Media! etc! And of course they're all being puppeteered by Dark Lord Hussein Obama, who is some mysterious foreign-born necromancer. Nobody knows anything about him ("who IS Barack Obama?") except that he's history's greatest monster who wants to enslave all of humanity and force white Christians to get gay-married to Muslims and have mandatory abortions prescribed by death panels.

378 Sionainn  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:54:25pm

re: #344 jaunte

Hoodie sighting:
[Link: news.daylife.com...]

Another wingnut who disregards the Flag Code.

379 abolitionist  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:55:31pm

re: #337 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

Obliquely related to that, I was thinking that the New Black Panther "bounty" story would turn out to be a Breitbart / O'Keefe-style hoax. Seems right up their alley. I guess not.

Solicit a million or so, promise 10 thousand... but of course there's a lot of overhead. /

380 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:55:51pm

re: #375 Kragar

Just wait until the Texas primary comes around. Rasmussen has Romney up by 2, but all the other polls show Santorum winning.

381 engineer cat  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:58:33pm

re: #377 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

To the rationalizations, add the paranoid delusional conspiracy ideology. Weird-ass organizational relationship charts connecting Ayers! ACORN! Black Panthers! Labor unions! Soros! The Liberal Media! etc! And of course they're all being puppeteered by Dark Lord Hussein Obama, who is some mysterious foreign-born necromancer. Nobody knows anything about him ("who IS Barack Obama?") except that he's history's greatest monster who wants to enslave all of humanity and force white Christians to get gay-married to Muslims and have mandatory abortions prescribed by death panels.

it's not the president's fault that he was brought up in the jungle by mau-maus

i don't blame him for that

382 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:59:22pm

This is pretty funny
[Link: news.daylife.com...]
But the rest of the rally was the usual crap.

383 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 4:59:50pm

re: #379 abolitionist

Solicit a million or so, promise 10 thousand... but of course there's a lot of overhead. /

If the Sanford crap is allowed to stand, the NBP has a rationale to use the overage to arm and train young Blacks so they can go to the store. Perhaps they can get a supporting grant from the NRA.

384 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 5:03:02pm
385 Kragar  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 5:04:08pm

re: #384 Lidane

THE STREETS ARE RUNNING WITH SANTORUM!

386 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 5:05:46pm
387 Kragar  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 5:06:38pm

re: #386 Lidane

Man, its getting so bad you can't even buy an election any more.

388 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 5:12:36pm

Jeremiah Wright should be more pure than JC Watts according to the skin shade standards of those who give a shit about such things. Just saying ...

389 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 5:12:54pm
390 Kragar  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 5:14:41pm

re: #389 Lidane

Checking... nope, still mad at douchebag for being a douchebag.

391 Kragar  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 5:15:54pm

3 words you'll never hear from a wingnut: "I was wrong."

392 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 5:17:29pm

re: #391 Kragar

They do not understand "To err is to be human, to forgive divine."

393 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 5:18:45pm

War criminal's clock is still stopped:

Rep. Allen West: Zimmerman Had ‘No Authorization’ To Shoot Trayvon Martin

George Zimmerman, in his role as neighborhood watch of a gated suburban community in Florida, had “no authorization” to take action against 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, Rep. Allen West (R-FL) told TPM Friday. “This is a self-made head of a community neighborhood watch. That’s where my concern is.”

Zimmerman claims he shot Martin — who was only carrying a bag of Skittles and a can of iced tea — in self defense. The shooting has renewed debate over Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law, which allows the use of deadly force if a person feels threatened.

West said the Florida law “does not apply whatsoever” to the Martin case, because Zimmerman was not being pursued by Martin. Anti-gun lobbyists shouldn’t use the legislation to score political points, West added, without commenting on the law further.

394 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 5:21:06pm

re: #382 Killgore Trout

This is pretty funny
[Link: news.daylife.com...]
But the rest of the rally was the usual crap.

He's not dressed up, his bike is dressed up!

395 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 5:22:08pm

re: #382 Killgore Trout

Is the screaming part of the disguise?

396 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 5:23:01pm

What does this even mean?

397 Lidane  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 5:23:38pm

re: #396 Kronocide

What does this even mean?

It means that Dan Riehl is still a douche.

398 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 5:35:50pm

re: #396 Kronocide

What does this even mean?

[Embedded content]

He's just parroting the ridiculous RW claim that Media Matters is "antisemitic." This is how these people operate - they know it's an ugly, false smear, but they just keep repeating it in a dumb attempt to poison the well.

I know this tactic, because they've been using it against me for years now.

399 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 5:53:43pm

re: #398 Charles Johnson

He's just parroting the ridiculous RW claim that Media Matters is "antisemitic." This is how these people operate - they know it's an ugly, false smear, but they just keep repeating it in a dumb attempt to poison the well.

I know this tactic, because they've been using it against me for years now.

But... Media Matters is funded by Soros... who's Jewish.... and a banker....

NOT COMPUTE.

400 compound_Idaho  Sat, Mar 24, 2012 6:38:16pm

re: #214 erik_t

Back from a seven-odd mile run at HH:59 for a HH+1:00 game broadcast start. Excellent timing: I haz it.

Not to mention that is about an 8:00/mi clip. Nice run.


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