Wingnut Dan Riehl Triples Down on Racism

“Blacks are being led into the cotton field of ignorance”
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Yesterday, when I posted the article about Dan Riehl’s ludicrous racist fail, he immediately sent this to me on Twitter:

But it looks like Dan is suddenly pretty concerned about my relevance after all, because today he’s posted yet another blatantly racist rant, titled: Charles Johnson’s Ignorance Over Trayvon Photo Flap Tops Memeorandum.

Don’t all irrelevant losers end up at the top of Memeorandum?

MEGA-DERPlgf blogger Charles Johnson has finally made it fully into the arms of the left with his post attacking me, which gives him enough links and attention to result in this. What’s sad is how willing Johnson has been to throw away everything he seemed to once understand about the media and turn on so many once friends to do it. Worse is the race-based ignorance of so many blacks I’m seeing in attacking me, when they should be criticizing the media, instead.

In this post of mine, along with this one on the AP, I pointed out that some media outlets appear to prefer using an image of Trayvon Martin that has been altered in a manner that makes him appear to be much lighter in skin color than he actually was. Said image has been enhanced to make him look so much lighter, even his facial features appear altered at that point.

I love how Riehl states this as a fact, when he’s provided absolutely no evidence for it. But that’s exactly how these people roll — facts, evidence, proof, all irrelevant.

No where have I said a darker image of Martin would suggest he was somehow guilty of something, or that it might justify his being shot in any manner.

Actually, Dan did write that the lighter image made him look more “innocent.” Which is logically the same thing. But logic is irrelevant, of course.

Among a few interesting items uncovered in trying to examine the facts behind the shooting of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin without drawing any conclusions, was that a widely viewed photograph of Martin appears to have been altered, somewhat

He keeps repeating this like a mantra, hoping that if he says it enough it will magically become true. It won’t.

Then Dan tells “the blacks” how they’re supposed to feel about his strange fantasies: they should get upset at the media for non-existent image manipulation.

Johnson, the many progressives and now many blacks who have been attacking me over it are being played and they don’t even know it. If anything, blacks especially should feel insulted and upset at the media, including the AP - not me. My whole point questions their judgement and worldview, not Trayvon Martin’s, or Zimmerman’s.

By seeming to prefer using a lighter image of Martin to further fuel the story line that he was a total innocent in the encounter and Zimmerman is guilty before all the facts are clear, my concern is that they feel that making Martin look less black in the eyes of the their [sic] readers, somehow makes him look less guilty of something.

I had to stop here to laugh. OK, let’s continue.

But rather than see the potential for racism in the media’s judgment (lighter = better, darker = worse)…

That would be your judgment, Dan. It’s weirdly fascinating how Riehl seems totally unable to stop repeating his racist assumptions in front of the whole world. “Projection” doesn’t even begin to describe this level of deranged disconnection from reality. But in Riehl’s world, reality is irrelevant.

…for a now unhinged blogger like Johnson, progressives and many blacks, it seems easier to focus their anger and hate on a white conservative with a blog. Worse, my link to the late Andrew Bretbart makes it a trifecta for them. It’s especially sad in Johnson’s case, as he once understood what blogging was all about, along with the various games played by the mainstream media.

Can’t you just feel Riehl’s concern? It leaps off the page at you, snarling.

As for the many blacks attacking me, when it’s actually the media, including the AP, who appears to be saying to them, lighter is better, while darker is bad, and they aren’t even able to see that, the pre-judgment and ignorance on display is just sad.

Boo hoo. Dan is so sad about “the blacks” and their ignorance, you just have to feel for him.

Said leaders, I use the term loosely, seem only interested in fueling outrage and a mob mentality for political gain. It’s sad to see so many black Americans still falling for it after so many decades. Their minds haven’t been freed, all that’s changed is the owners of the plantation. Too many would be black leaders are too happy to lead them down a path through a cotton field of ignorance and hate ending at the ballot box, before just going on and on with no real end in sight.

Yes, he really did just write that the “owners of the plantation” are leading blacks “through a cotton field of ignorance,” in a post declaring that he’s definitely no racist.

Meanwhile, to further illustrate my “irrelevance,” Riehl has been spewing insults at me on Twitter today like a lame-brained fire hose, including calling me a child molester again:

By the time I finish writing this, he’ll probably have added another six or seven insults to the list. Man, I’d hate to see what Dan Riehl would say about me if I were actually relevant.

Also see
Breitbrat Dan Riehl on #TrayvonMartin: Blacks Are Being ‘Lead Down a Path Through a Cotton Field of Ignorance’ | Angry Black Lady Chronicles

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125 comments
1 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 12:29:15pm

ABL has been hilariously all over this.


[Link: angryblacklady.com...]

Image: YO-DAWG-DAN-RIEHL-IS-RACIST.jpg

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 12:29:18pm

He also tweeted that the supposed "original" photo looks "more thuggish" (i.e. darker = more thuggish).

3 austin_blue  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 12:29:31pm

Brutal commentary in 'toon form:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

4 jaunte  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 12:31:55pm
5 Four More Beers  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 12:41:49pm

Charles, if you keep this up, you'll end up being relevant again.
//

6 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 12:42:03pm

I hope Trayvon's parents are just ignoring most of the media right now.

7 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 12:43:15pm

Lizzle-roid!

Haha, what an irrelevant insult. Riehl must be a left wing plant to make the right wing look insanely moronic. He can't be for real.

8 HAL2010  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 12:43:49pm

"Cotton field of ignorance..."


Dan Riehl you racist, insensitive little prick. Go hide under the rock from whence you came you scum.

9 Stanghazi  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 12:44:41pm

Dan Reihl has sister Sarah Palin's # on speed dial. They've enjoyed many attacks together. That's how I first heard of this pos.

10 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 12:46:34pm

re: #8 HAL2010

"Cotton field of ignorance..."

Dan Riehl you racist, insensitive little prick. Go hide under the rock from whence you came you scum.

"White Man's Burden"

Mm. That's old-fashioned home-made paternal racism.

11 Four More Beers  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 12:46:42pm

A voice of reason in this douchebag's comments section:

Look pal, playing the LGF is crazy card isn't cutting it in this case. You found a picture which didn't show anything wrong but which you felt could go a long way towards demonizing the murdered young man. And that's really the issue. Trayvon was murdered. Wearing a hoodie is not a crime, walking about is not a crime, Zimmerman had no authority to confront Martin. Martin had no obligation to answer anything Zimmerman said to him.

Zimmerman murdered Martin, yet all you could do was find photos of the dead young man to post as evidence his murder was his fault.

It was sick. It was shameless and you got caught.

12 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 12:48:22pm

re: #11 Lord of Republicandoucheistan

The gist of it is that Riehl was searching for dirt on the dead black boy. Disgusting.

13 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 12:50:30pm

re: #12 Stаn

The gist of it is that Riehl was searching for dirt on the dead black boy. Disgusting.

The important thing is that we understand the guy with the gun was right, and find proof accordingly.

14 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 12:50:33pm

Quadruple Down!

15 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 12:51:31pm

Riehl is just mad that he's getting skewered by the "Big Johnson".

16 Four More Beers  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 12:52:26pm

Dan puts the "D" in douche.

17 jaunte  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 12:52:33pm
18 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 12:53:11pm

re: #11 Lord of Republicandoucheistan

A voice of reason in this douchebag's comments section:

And that comment will either disappear like a fart in the wind or gets beat down, twisted, misquoted, and abused six ways to Sunday by Riehl's 101st Chairborne defenders.

19 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 12:55:58pm

re: #12 Stаn

The gist of it is that Riehl was searching for dirt on the dead black boy. Disgusting.

Exactly...and it's not just Riehl, as we've come to know by now. Most of the RWNJ-o-sphere is looking for something, anything, about Martin that allows them to justify Zimmerman's heinous actions to anyone and everyone.

The good news is that most rational people aren't buying what they're selling, which torques off the RWNJs even more.

20 allegro  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 12:58:56pm

re: #19 talon_262

Exactly...and it's not just Riehl, as we've come to know by now. Most of the RWNJ-o-sphere is looking for something, anything, about Martin that allows them to justify Zimmerman's heinous actions to anyone and everyone.

The good news is that most rational people aren't buying what they're selling, which torques off the RWNJs even more.

What I still haven't figured out is why. Why has this become a partisan issue? Is it the racism? A gun thing? Why this defense of Zimmerman? What is he to them?

21 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:03:57pm

re: #20 allegro

It's because it involves race, and, sadly, the right-wing in the US right now has a violent reaction whenever race is brought up.

22 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:05:21pm

re: #20 allegro

What I still haven't figured out is why. Why has this become a partisan issue? Is it the racism? A gun thing? Why this defense of Zimmerman? What is he to them?

I'll wager to say that a good many RWNJs fantasize about doing exactly what Zimmerman did, only they aren't crazy enough or have the balls to actually do it.

Call it the "Death Wish hypothesis"...

23 Stanghazi  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:06:58pm

re: #20 allegro

What I still haven't figured out is why. Why has this become a partisan issue? Is it the racism? A gun thing? Why this defense of Zimmerman? What is he to them?

When people recognize racism in themselves, they try hard, mightily to fight it and deny it.

24 Lidane  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:07:40pm

re: #20 allegro

What I still haven't figured out is why. Why has this become a partisan issue? Is it the racism? A gun thing? Why this defense of Zimmerman? What is he to them?

He's a dead black kid that can't easily be painted as a thug or gangbanger, which fucks with their perceptions.

Trayvon Martin was a good kid doing all the things that the RWNJs claim they want black kids to do. He didn't have any problems with the law. He got A's and B's in school. He was a student athlete. He was friendly and popular. The worst trouble that we know he got into was getting suspended from school because he was late to class too many times. Also, he actually lived in the neighborhood he was murdered in, which just hacks off the racists.

Assholes like Riehl want to desperately make Martin into a ruthless gangbanger and thug instead of the good kid he clearly was. They need something to hang on to in order to justify the fact that he got murdered in cold blood by a Dirty Harry wannabe with a gun fetish.

25 Stanghazi  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:09:16pm
Assholes like Riehl want to desperately make Martin into a ruthless gang-banger and thug instead of the good kid he clearly was. They need something to hang on to in order to justify the fact that he got murdered in cold blood by a Dirty Harry wannabe with a gun fetish.

And this is their racism that they deny.

26 allegro  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:09:18pm

re: #24 Lidane

The worst trouble that we know he got into was getting suspended from school because he was late to class too many times.

Well you know how it is: tardy today, terrorist tomorrow.

27 ReamWorks SKG  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:09:52pm

Do you folks remember the OJ Simpson Magazine Cover Controversy?

Here's the first blog I found about it

[Link: blogcritics.org...]

28 JamesWI  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:10:52pm

I can't remember, was this the guy who fantasized about beating up black kids in the subway in D.C. during the Tea Party rally, or was that someone else?

Can't tell these people apart.....oops, that sounded racist!

29 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:11:48pm

re: #21 Obdicut

It's because it involves race, and, sadly, the right-wing in the US right now has a violent reaction whenever race is brought up.

It's a race thing, but it's also a gun thing.

Any questioning of the competence of one gun owner is seen as an attack on anyone owning or carrying one.

It's therefore very important to justify Zimmerman's use of lethal force.

30 ReamWorks SKG  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:12:20pm

I don't think it even matters is Matrin jumped on top of Zimmerman and started beating the crap out of him. It's simply WRONG to have a law that lets you provoke someone with words and then shoot him if he gets angry and threatening.

31 Lidane  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:12:50pm

re: #28 JamesWI

I can't remember, was this the guy who fantasized about beating up black kids in the subway in D.C. during the Tea Party rally, or was that someone else?

That was Dan Riehl, IIRC.

32 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:12:51pm

re: #29 The Ghost of a Flea

To be fair, all of the guns-rights advocates here on LGF have not defended him.

33 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:14:24pm

re: #28 JamesWI

I can't remember, was this the guy who fantasized about beating up black kids in the subway in D.C. during the Tea Party rally, or was that someone else?

Can't tell these people apart...oops, that sounded racist!

re: #31 Lidane

That was Dan Riehl, IIRC.

It was indeed Riehl.

34 Stanghazi  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:15:09pm

re: #32 Obdicut

To be fair, all of the guns-rights advocates here on LGF have not defended him.

Cause they are sane. Thank dog.

35 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:15:44pm

re: #32 Obdicut

To be fair, all of the guns-rights advocates here on LGF have not defended him.

...because they're not gun fetishists.

36 JamesWI  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:15:50pm

re: #31 Lidane

That was Dan Riehl, IIRC.

Well, that certainly brings some clarity to this current issue. And explains why he thinks the "lighter" picture makes Trayvon look more "innocent." When he sees the darker picture, he probably gets scared and dreams about beating him up.

37 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:16:14pm

OK, I will give Santorum credit for saying this:

Santorum: Zimmerman ‘has a very sick mind,’ motive ‘a malicious one’

“Well, you know, obviously, I’m not privy to what’s going on in someone’s mind,” Santorum said. “Obviously, in my opinion, someone … has a very sick mind who would pursue someone like this. This is clearly a heinous act. You know, there are a lot of people who have a lot of distorted views of reality. It’s a tragic, tragic case. And my heart goes out to the parents, too. I can’t imagine what they’re suffering, losing their son in such a horrific way. All I would say is that, whatever the motive is, it was a malicious one, and a very, very tragic one.”

38 Gus  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:18:50pm
39 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:19:09pm

re: #28 JamesWI

I can't remember, was this the guy who fantasized about beating up black kids in the subway in D.C. during the Tea Party rally, or was that someone else?

Can't tell these people apart...oops, that sounded racist!

That was him: Dan Riehl's Imaginary Black Kid Beatdown.

40 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:19:14pm

re: #32 Obdicut

To be fair, all of the guns-rights advocates here on LGF have not defended him.

Thank you. There is a continuum of gun owners in this country although it seems you only hear about the Zimmermans. Personally, as a gun owner and self defense advocate, I have nothing but contempt for him and his actions.

41 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:20:42pm

re: #35 The Ghost of a Flea

...because they're not gun fetishists.

Lord knows what Iron Fist and his crew would be saying if they were still here.

Times like this makes me glad they got the ol' heave-ho.

42 Lidane  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:21:35pm

re: #37 Kragar

OK, I will give Santorum credit for saying this:

Santorum: Zimmerman ‘has a very sick mind,’ motive ‘a malicious one’

Just like Allen West, Santorum gets a case of Stopped Clock Syndrome.

And the Freeper idiots have reacted as expected:

Santorum is DONE....
---

Santorum would do well to just keep his mouth shut. The guy is turning out to be a bigger gaff machine than Joe Biden.
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So glad he knows all the facts already.
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I’m beginning to think Santorum may have mental issues.
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Isn’t this idiot a lawyer?
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trevon martin pic was photoshopped!...
[Note: insert Dan Riehl link here]
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OK, now I’m officially supporting ABO. No more defending Santorum here. That I promise.

And that's just the first few comments. There are over 250 so far and counting.

43 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:22:12pm

re: #29 The Ghost of a Flea

It's a race thing, but it's also a gun thing.

Any questioning of the competence of one gun owner is seen as an attack on anyone owning or carrying one.

It's therefore very important to justify Zimmerman's use of lethal force.

They're doing the same thing with Bales.

Any condemnation of a man who gunned down women and children becomes "HOW DARE YOU ATTACK THE TROOPS?"

As if all veterans should be given a free pass when they commit heinous crimes.

44 engineer cat  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:22:42pm

I get confused, Chuckie. How many years has it been since you've been

i'm sorry, sir, it appears that a 7th grader is using the twitter account registered under the name of 'Dan Riehl'

45 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:23:45pm

re: #38 Gus

That.Was.Awesome.

Or it would be, if it wasn't in response to something so heinous and senseless.

46 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:23:48pm

They keep using that word irrelevant. I do not think it means what they think it means.

/and check out the new avatar

47 jaunte  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:25:14pm

re: #37 Kragar
Unfortunately he sort of loses the sympathetic note when he finishes by claiming this killing isn't a sign of a broader problem.

Santorum suggested the politics weren’t as important as the need to “be supportive” and be there for the family in the wake of the tragedy.

“All I can say is that, again, there are a lot of people who have very perverted views of reality and obviously have, as we see, people who do horrible things for seemingly senseless reasons,” Santorum said. “I think it’s hard to generalize from one heinous act something that is, you know, try to make a bigger point out of it. I think that’s probably what Newt was getting at. I would just say to the president and to everybody that, you know, we need to focus on being there to be supportive and, for the family that is going through this tragedy.”

48 engineer cat  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:25:47pm

re: #42 Lidane

Just like Allen West, Santorum gets a case of Stopped Clock Syndrome.

And the Freeper idiots have reacted as expected:

And that's just the first few comments. There are over 250 so far and counting.

freepers and teahadis are doing an excellent job of rejecting and discrediting the republican party

i wonder whether any of this will be manifest at the convention in tampa, or if it will all be tamped down

49 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:25:59pm

re: #46 Kragar

They keep using that word irrelevant. I do not think it means what they think it means.

/and check out the new avatar

Love it!

50 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:26:51pm

re: #29 The Ghost of a Flea

It's a race thing, but it's also a gun thing.

Any questioning of the competence of one gun owner is seen as an attack on anyone owning or carrying one.

It's therefore very important to justify Zimmerman's use of lethal force.

That's one thing I've noticed a great deal, the shrugging off of Zimmerman's actions as "perfectly lawful" and thus of no real consequence. That it doesn't matter who started the fight, the moment Zimmerman thought he was in danger, it was lawful to haul out his gun and start shooting.

And if you point out that that's the problem, the "Stand Your Ground" law allows people to gun down others on the flimsiest of excuses and needs to be revised or repealed, they blow a gasket and start screaming that you're wanting women to get raped and men to get beat to death in the streets instead of defending themselves with guns.

51 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:27:15pm

re: #42 Lidane

Just like Allen West, Santorum gets a case of Stopped Clock Syndrome.

And the Freeper idiots have reacted as expected:

And that's just the first few comments. There are over 250 so far and counting.

Wow.

52 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:28:28pm

re: #47 jaunte

Unfortunately he sort of loses the sympathetic note when he finishes by claiming this killing isn't a sign of a broader problem.

Well, you have to expect a certain amount of shameless grovelling to the base anytime a Republican speaks.

53 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:28:36pm

re: #42 Lidane

KEYWORDS: blackkk; elections; florida; fung; georgezimmerman; kenyanborn[bigoted word]; mittromney; newtgingrich; obama; ricksantorum; ricky; santo; santorum; trayvonmartin

55 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:29:05pm

re: #40 William Barnett-Lewis

Thank you. There is a continuum of gun owners in this country although it seems you only hear about the Zimmermans. Personally, as a gun owner and self defense advocate, I have nothing but contempt for him and his actions.

I should add that my original post was not intended to label all gun owners (a group which includes myself).

There's a subset--I refer to them as fetishists--who seem to have a worldview cobbled together from autonomy fantasies and anti-government conspiracies. They have a voice in the NRA, but are even louder in GOA.

Addendum:

There's also the wingnuts who see "gun ownership" as a right wing tribal marker and will defend it solely on that affiliation.

56 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:29:49pm

re: #53 Stаn

blackkk

57 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:34:53pm

re: #54 Lidane

ABL is on a roll today:

Zimmerman’s Black Friend: He said ‘goons’ not ‘coons’ — it’s a term of endearment!

Zimmerman: not a racist because he didn't say the no-no word.

Probably a racist because of the giant string of assumptions he made that prompted him to follow and confront a black teenager with no justification. And that time he called the cops to report a 7-9 year old black kid.

58 Lidane  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:36:20pm

re: #40 William Barnett-Lewis

Thank you. There is a continuum of gun owners in this country although it seems you only hear about the Zimmermans. Personally, as a gun owner and self defense advocate, I have nothing but contempt for him and his actions.

Well, yeah. Because Zimmerman did it wrong.

Gun ownership for self-defense doesn't involve stalking, chasing, attacking, and shooting an unarmed kid that you think might be suspicious, especially after the 911 dispatcher has told you that they don't need you to intervene.

59 engineer cat  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:36:56pm

what might happen at the gop convention this year:

occupy protest outside perimeter makes news?

audience at convention audibly shouts out hateful remarks?

boos heard when romney nominated or mentioned?

walkout staged by "true conservatives"?

60 Lidane  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:40:51pm

re: #59 engineer cat

I don't know what will happen, but imma stock up on the booze and popcorn for the occasion.

I'll have to end up watching most of it with the sound muted so I don't break shit in my house, but it will be worth it for the entertainment.

61 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:42:58pm

re: #60 Lidane

I don't know what will happen, but imma stock up on the booze and popcorn for the occasion.

I'll have to end up watching most of it with the sound muted so I don't break shit in my house, but it will be worth it for the entertainment.

Just play some Ray Stevens while you watch it

"Oh, you're never going to Tampa with me..."

62 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:43:25pm

It really seems like the wingnuts are of two minds about this whole tragedy, though both ultimately agree that Zimmerman deserves a medal and perhaps a statue if somebody was taking private donations.

One mind's totally incensed about the initial coverage ("Zimmerman's a Hispanic, not White!") when they just didn't give a damn ("Black kid dead, so what?"), then they tried to make him out as a troublemaker ("Suspension might have been for assault!"), before settling on griping about the outrage amongst the black community ("Sharptoon! Jackass!") while still trying to insist that Trayvon was dangerous ("He was a football player! And the 'real' dark picture makes him look like a thug!")

The other mind seems totally bent towards trying to prove Zimmerman was the "victim" ("He was injured!") in all this because they also harbor Dirty Harry fantasies ("I carry a .44 Magnum all the time!"). They take his version of events as the gospel truth ("Martin got him from behind!"), because the cops accepted it and we know they never make mistakes. And even if mistakes were made, it shouldn't matter, because the law's necessary ("If I get punched, I should be able to defend myself!"), with the incidents like this tragedy coming to light "unintended consequences."

63 blueraven  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:46:36pm

re: #62 Targetpractice

It really seems like the Right's of two minds about this whole tragedy, though both ultimately agree that Zimmerman deserves a medal and perhaps a statue if somebody was taking private donations.

One mind's totally incensed about the initial coverage ("Zimmerman's a Hispanic, not White!") when they just didn't give a damn ("Black kid dead, so what?"), then they tried to make him out as a troublemaker ("Suspension might have been for assault!"), before settling on griping about the outrage amongst the black community ("Sharptoon! Jackass!") while still trying to insist that Trayvon was dangerous ("He was a football player! And the 'real' dark picture makes him look like a thug!")

The other mind seems totally bent towards trying to prove Zimmerman was the "victim" ("He was injured!") in all this because they also harbor Dirty Harry fantasies ("I carry a .44 Magnum all the time!"). They take his version of events as the gospel truth ("Martin got him from behind!"), because the cops accepted it and we know they never make mistakes. And even if mistakes were made, it shouldn't matter, because the law's necessary ("If I get punched, I should be able to defend myself!"), with the incidents like this tragedy coming to light "unintended consequences."

I think that is a pretty broad brush you are using to paint "The Right".
I have heard quite a few republicans and conservatives condemn many aspects of this case and give no praise to Zimmerman.

Maybe narrow that down a bit to the far right fringe.

64 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:49:33pm

re: #63 blueraven

I think that is a pretty broad brush you are using to paint "The Right"
I have heard quite a few republican and conservatives condemn many aspects of this case and give no praise to Zimmerman.

Maybe narrow that down a bit to the far right fringe.

Revision made, but like a lot of incidents in recent months, it's getting harder and harder to hear the few sane voices on the Right versus the ranks and ranks of wingnuts who spew bullshit 24/7. I ceased counting myself amongst the Right over shit like that.

65 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:49:39pm

re: #63 blueraven

I don't think it's just the fringe, but there certainly are high-profile guys condemning it-- however, they're often then being attacked for it.

66 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:50:41pm

You might be amused to know that over the course of @DanRiehl's 160 most recent tweets, the word @Lizardoid appears 30 times (i.e., almost 20% of Riehl's tweets, on average). You can verify this yourself by parsing through

http://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline/ACCOUNT.xml?count=NUMBER

where ACCOUNT is the username and NUMBER is the number of tweets you want to retrieve from their timeline. This will get you an xml file that you can grep to your heart's content.

67 efuseakay  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:52:00pm

What I don't get about Twitter is.... don't they have some sort of EULA concerning behavior/threats to other members? It just seems like it's a free-for-all for anyone to post anything.

Freedom of speech... right... right... I get it... Too bad there's no freedom of maturity too.

Then again, it's sites like Twitter that really let us see these cretins for who they really are.

68 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:56:03pm

re: #67 efuseakay

What I don't get about Twitter is... don't they have some sort of EULA concerning behavior/threats to other members? It just seems like it's a free-for-all for anyone to post anything.

Freedom of speech... right... right... I get it... Too bad there's no freedom of maturity too.

Then again, it's sites like Twitter that really let us see these cretins for who they really are.

Twitter's format would make real time moderation almost impossible. You would probably need to report the comments to get anything done.

69 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:57:10pm

re: #65 Obdicut

I don't think it's just the fringe, but there certainly are high-profile guys condemning it-- however, they're often then being attacked for it.

It's really hard to discern the fringe from the rest these days because the latter will cite and rely upon the former periodically, yet stand separate from them when the former goes too far.

70 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:58:17pm
It’s sad to see so many black Americans still falling for it after so many decades

He believes that he sees something so obvious, but that "so many black Americans" can't see, but claims that such a viewpoint isn't inherently racist.

It is exactly this kind of mentality that ensures that the Republican Party will never get a significant % of the black vote. They think that telling black people that their are too stupid to know what's in their own interest is a viable political strategy.

71 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:00:40pm

re: #70 Talking Point Detective

He believes that he sees something so obvious, but that "so many black Americans" can't see, but claims that such a viewpoint isn't inherently racist.

It is exactly this kind of mentality that ensures that the Republican Party will never get a significant % of the black vote. They think that telling black people that their are too stupid to know what's in their own interest is a viable political strategy.

Paternalistic racism: the variety that imagines that they objectively know better, and therefore can't be discriminating.

72 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:01:26pm

re: #63 blueraven

I think that is a pretty broad brush you are using to paint "The Right".
I have heard quite a few republicans and conservatives condemn many aspects of this case and give no praise to Zimmerman.

Maybe narrow that down a bit to the far right fringe.

Yeah - it is really hard to define what line distinguished the "fringe," but I have yet to see one "conservative" blog commenter who has done anything other than talk about Sharpton or Farrakhan or "race-baiters" or "black on black violence" etc., in reaction to this issue. They say that Zimmerman should be held accountable even as they defend the Stand Your Ground defense.

You can have a view on this issue that is rooted in extremism even without defending Zimmerman.

73 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:04:38pm

re: #65 Obdicut

I don't think it's just the fringe, but there certainly are high-profile guys condemning it-- however, they're often then being attacked for it.

What are they condemning? From what I've seen, they're speaking out of both sides of their mouths: saying that this issue is being overblown, that it's being used by "race-baiters" to pursue an agenda, that SYG isn't the problem here, etc., even as they say "Zimmerman should have been arrested."

Who have you seen that hasn't been equivocal in that manner?

74 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:05:42pm

re: #73 Talking Point Detective

Yes, Lindsey Graham.

75 Stanghazi  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:06:17pm

re: #71 The Ghost of a Flea

Paternalistic racism: the variety that imagines that they objectively know better, and therefore can't be discriminating.

ie: abortion is killing your people.

76 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:07:28pm

re: #73 Talking Point Detective

What are they condemning? From what I've seen, they're speaking out of both sides of their mouths: saying that this issue is being overblown, that it's being used by "race-baiters" to pursue an agenda, that SYG isn't the problem here, etc., even as they say "Zimmerman should have been arrested."

Who have you seen that hasn't been equivocal in that manner?

Hell, they're not even saying that in every case. Some are pulling the MBF bit, saying that Zimmerman was wrong to shoot, but Martin shouldn't have been walking around in a hoodie. And others are just shrugging their shoulders about how Zimmerman's actions were "perfectly legal."

77 blueraven  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:07:43pm

re: #65 Obdicut

I don't think it's just the fringe, but there certainly are high-profile guys condemning it-- however, they're often then being attacked for it.

That's true. My concern is for the average citizen who consider themselves to be to the right of center, politically.
The people I know that describe themselves as such, think this is a rotten deal through and through.

Some on the right like David Frum and even Santorum and Allen West! seem to "get it". Of course they are being savaged in the far right blogosphere as you say.

78 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:10:30pm

re: #77 blueraven

Well, Santorum was still a shithead about Obama's statement, and West was a hypocritical asshole about Sharpton's involvement.

79 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:11:58pm

re: #78 Obdicut

Well, Santorum was still a shithead about Obama's statement, and West was a hypocritical asshole about Sharpton's involvement.

And they're still better than the vast majority of the GOP on this particular subject.

80 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:12:24pm

re: #77 blueraven

That's true. My concern is for the average citizen who consider themselves to be to the right of center, politically.
The people I know that describe themselves as such, think this is a rotten deal through and through.

Some on the right like David Frum and even Santorum and Allen West! seem to "get it". Of course they are being savaged in the far right blogosphere as you say.

Frum's fast becoming the "Only Sane Man," Santorum tried to invoke the MBF towards the end of his statement, and West playing a stopped clock on this issue doesn't automatically revoke him of his Wingnut card.

81 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:13:19pm

Charles is getting more and more company by the day:

82 blueraven  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:13:40pm

re: #78 Obdicut

Well, Santorum was still a shithead about Obama's statement, and West was a hypocritical asshole about Sharpton's involvement.

O fer sure...politics. Never miss a chance to knock your opponents. Sad!

83 Stanghazi  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:14:45pm

re: #77 blueraven

That's true. My concern is for the average citizen who consider themselves to be to the right of center, politically.
The people I know that describe themselves as such, think this is a rotten deal through and through.

Some on the right like David Frum and even Santorum and Allen West! seem to "get it". Of course they are being savaged in the far right blogosphere as you say.

I dwell with conservative folks, and all of them agree this is race based. Trayvon was profiled, then killed. Unjustly. It's pretty clear, but the peeps who usually think that way are covering their asses.

84 blueraven  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:16:35pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

Frum's fast becoming the "Only Sane Man," Santorum tried to invoke the MBF towards the end of his statement, and West playing a stopped clock on this issue doesn't automatically revoke him of his Wingnut card.

I am wondering when Frum will just give up on the republican party. He does not belong to what it has become. But that goes for a lot of average republicans too.

85 b_Snark  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:20:43pm

re: #2 Stаn

He also tweeted that the supposed "original" photo looks "more thuggish" (i.e. darker = more thuggish).

He doesn't realize his own thoughts are giving him away as racist.
Only a bigot would have thought making him look lighter in a photo would make him look less thuggish, in context a racist word in itself.

86 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:21:03pm

re: #84 blueraven

I am wondering when Frum will just give up on the republican party. He does not belong to what it has become. But that goes for a lot of average republicans too.

Like I've said before about Frum, he seems to be like a Titanic passenger who swears that the ship can't be sinking because he can still hear the band playing.

87 Stanghazi  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:21:06pm

re: #84 blueraven

I am wondering when Frum will just give up on the republican party. He does not belong to what it has become. But that goes for a lot of average republicans too.

You know, it's kinda weird that Boehner, who would regularly be called the voice of the GOP is so mute. Either he has no power, or he's just keeping quiet to hopefully keep the party intact.

88 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:22:10pm

re: #87 Hoodies for Justice. T

You know, it's kinda weird that Boehner, who would regularly be called the voice of the GOP is so mute. Either he has no power, or he's just keeping quiet to hopefully keep the party intact.

If rumor's to be believed, Boehner's keeping quiet because he fears arousing the anger of the TPers in the House ranks, knowing that Cantor's just waiting for an excuse to stage a coup.

89 Stanghazi  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:24:42pm

re: #88 Targetpractice

If rumor's to be believed, Boehner's keeping quiet because he fears arousing the anger of the TPers in the House ranks, knowing that Cantor's just waiting for an excuse to stage a coup.

How's weak are they. I'm sorry Cantor always appears whiny. Not a leader. The GOP needs to get their shit together.

90 b_Snark  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:26:42pm

re: #21 Obdicut

It's because it involves race, and, sadly, the right-wing in the US right now has a violent reaction whenever race is brought up.

Because we Blue Meanies are calling them racists.

They don't know what that means, but it sounds bad.

91 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:28:40pm

re: #74 Obdicut

Yes, Lindsey Graham.

Thanks - I'll Google it.

92 docproto48  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:29:21pm

Re:
@MCHblazer @brooksbayne Frankly, never been able 2 picture @Lizardoid riding a bike w/o training wheels, helmet and bell on the handlebars

I certainly hope you wear a helmet on your bicycle and that you warn people rather than unceremoniously crushing them

funny how insults attempted aren't
so my grandmother wears army boots...she'll kick your ass with them too

As for Tennessee I'm moving my mixed race family out of here to a race neutral state, took my kids out of an exclusive private school over a racial issue. I regret that in a few years I will have to teach my boy his skin color makes him a guilty target to some ignorant people. Right now he remains blissfully unaware of any difference between his white father and black mother other than mom is the cleaner better looking one!
To quote my father: "its scary when you consider half the population has below average intelligence"
"there is only one race, the human race"
DOC

93 blueraven  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:29:26pm

re: #87 Hoodies for Justice. T

You know, it's kinda weird that Boehner, who would regularly be called the voice of the GOP is so mute. Either he has no power, or he's just keeping quiet to hopefully keep the party intact.

He is running scared and quite impotent at this point.

94 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:29:48pm

re: #89 Hoodies for Justice. T

How's weak are they. I'm sorry Cantor always appears whiny. Not a leader. The GOP needs to get their shit together.

Looking back at the last year alone, Cantor's been doing his best to undermine Boehner at every opportunity. Every time that Boehner seems ready to make a deal with Obama, in order to maintain a functioning government, Cantor steps forward to declare the deal "no good" because the GOP's only getting 98% of what it wants. Which is why rumor has it that he desires the speakership and is subtly trying to steer Boehner into making a massive mistake.

95 b_Snark  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:31:11pm

re: #23 Hoodies for Justice. T

When people recognize racism in themselves, they try hard, mightily to fight it and deny it.

I have to disagree. When people recognize racism in themselves most do what they can to counter it. When people fear racism in themselves they deny, deny, deny. When people don't understand what racism is, and they justifiably get called racist they become indignant and play the 'I know you are, but what am I" game.

96 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:32:24pm

re: #91 Talking Point Detective

Thanks - I'll Google it.


Lindsey Graham: ‘We All Know There’s A Racial Component’ To Trayvon Martin’s Death

He goes as far as to say that the President's comments weren't adding/enflaming anything.

97 docproto48  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:33:10pm

re: #95 Ollie

I have to disagree. When people recognize racism in themselves most do what they can to counter it. When people fear racism in themselves they deny, deny, deny. When people don't understand what racism is, and they justifiably get called racist they become indignant and play the 'I know you are, but what am I" game.

I agree whole-heartedly
DOC

98 b_Snark  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:34:02pm

re: #38 Gus

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They aren't armed the same way. They're missing the deadly Iced Tea bottle.

99 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:34:09pm

Oh, this is hilarious. Dan Riehl is too dense to realize that he's being mocked:

100 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:35:30pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

Oh, this is hilarious. Dan Riehl is too dense to realize that he's being mocked:

[Embedded content]

That "woosh" sound just heard was the joke going right over Danny's head.

101 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:35:49pm

re: #95 Ollie

I have to disagree. When people recognize racism in themselves most do what they can to counter it. When people fear racism in themselves they deny, deny, deny. When people don't understand what racism is, and they justifiably get called racist they become indignant and play the 'I know you are, but what am I" game.

Very well said. Very powerful.

We all have elements of bigotry - at some levels it's fairly instinctive. What's important is how your better self recognizes and deals with an inherent tendency towards bigotry.

102 pinkbunny  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:36:13pm

re: #67 efuseakay

I am for free speech, unfortunately people for get with freedom comes great responsibility. And twitter doesn't discriminate against the idiots, as I can attest:

103 pinkbunny  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:38:09pm

re: #96 The Ghost of a Flea

Wow, I'm pleasantly surprised...just waiting to see if he walks it back...

104 Lidane  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:39:59pm

re: #100 Targetpractice

That "woosh" sound just heard was the joke going right over Danny's head.

That's okay. Reality goes over Dan's head all the time.

105 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:40:32pm

re: #104 Lidane

That's okay. Reality goes over Dan's head all the time.

It has that habit when one is suffering from cranial-rectal inversion.

106 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:40:51pm

re: #96 The Ghost of a Flea

Lindsey Graham: ‘We All Know There’s A Racial Component’ To Trayvon Martin’s Death

He goes as far as to say that the President's comments weren't adding/enflaming anything.

Yeah, but Lindsey Graham is well-known on the right as a RINO traitor turncoat loser already.

107 Shvaughn  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:41:06pm

OMG.

'Go back to your country': Iraqi-American mother in San Diego beaten to death

A 32-year-old Iraqi victim of a brutal beating in her San Diego, California, home died yesterday when, with doctors’ expectations that she would not survive, her family removed her from life support. Shaima Alawadi’s family thinks the beating constitutes a hate crime, and police acknowledge the possibility.

Alawadi, a mother of five children aged 8 to 17, immigrated to the U.S. from Iraq in 1993. On Wednesday, her eldest daughter, Fatima al-Himidi, found Alwadi “drowning in her own blood.” Al-Himidi said her mother was beaten with a tire iron. The daughter told San Diego’s KUSI television news that a note near her mother read, “Go back to your country, you terrorist.”

108 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:42:02pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

Oh, this is hilarious. Dan Riehl is too dense to realize that he's being mocked:

Comedy ensues.

109 Girth  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:42:22pm

re: #104 Lidane

That's okay. Reality goes over Dan's head all the time.

For good or ill, Life has no sign that reads, "You Must Be This Tall To Ride."

110 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:43:27pm

re: #107 Shvaughn

OMG.

'Go back to your country': Iraqi-American mother in San Diego beaten to death

In El Cajon, right next to "Klantee"

111 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:43:35pm

re: #107 Shvaughn

OMG.

'Go back to your country': Iraqi-American mother in San Diego beaten to death

For the purposes of staying within LGF rules on not advocating violence, I shall refrain from stating what I'd like to see done to the racist asshole responsible.

112 Stanghazi  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:46:17pm

re: #95 Ollie

I have to disagree. When people recognize racism in themselves most do what they can to counter it. When people fear racism in themselves they deny, deny, deny. When people don't understand what racism is, and they justifiably get called racist they become indignant and play the 'I know you are, but what am I" game.

Yep, you are correct. Recognize v fear of.

113 Stanghazi  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:49:11pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Yeah, but Lindsey Graham is well-known on the right as a RINO traitor turncoat loser already.

And a warmonger towards Iran. An enigma.

115 b_Snark  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:52:01pm

re: #102 pinkbunny

You have a degree in Stats? Terrific!

Many of the rwnjs are completely innumerate, and it brings me great joy to point that out to them. You should have lots of fun.

116 Shvaughn  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:52:36pm

re: #102 pinkbunny

Wow, that guy's a horrible human being.

117 Shvaughn  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:53:27pm

re: #114 Lidane

Michele Bachmann Defends Newt Gingrich's Trayvon Martin Comments

Insane bigots stick together.

118 b_Snark  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:55:06pm

re: #114 Lidane

Michele Bachmann Defends Newt Gingrich's Trayvon Martin Comments

Is that Newt's campaign's death rattle we hear?

119 Four More Beers  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:04:55pm

re: #102 pinkbunny

I am for free speech, unfortunately people for get with freedom comes great responsibility. And twitter doesn't discriminate against the idiots, as I can attest:

[Embedded content]

What right-wing racism??!!

120 Bunky Bunk  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:14:58pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Don't forget, a likely ho-mo-sectual.

What offends me the most is that people completely ignore the fact that Martin was under-age, unarmed, and out-sized by Zimmerman. Zimmerman, the adult, should have known better than to approach an individual he felt was suspicious enough to involve LE. He felt emboldened by his gun, a natural byproduct of gun-fetishism, and knew he'd have his side arm should Martin get froggy on him. It's just a damn shame a kid had his life snuffed out because fat boy knew he held the trump card in his gun and wanted to be Wyatt Eearp.

121 pinkbunny  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:16:59pm

re: #115 Bondo

Absolutely! I do enjoy pointing out when they're wrong!

122 Hal_10000  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:01:01pm

Riel is dancing around a semi-legitimate point. I believe there was an incident in the 90's when an OJ Simpson mugshot on the cover of Time or Newsweek *was* altered to make him look more dark-skinned. There was a bit of a furor over it.

The difference, of course, is that it could be shown that the magazine had actually done this. You know, proof. From what I can tell, he's presented no evidence whatsoever that this has occurred here (or really indicated a purpose behind such a manipulation). He's presented two pictures and proclaimed one to be altered to further a media conspiracy of ... something ... I dunno. I don't get those memos.

123 Mich-again  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:55:45pm

The tribalism instinct is so strong on the right these days that they will defend and rationalize anything one of their comrades says or writes no matter how outlandish. Its harder and harder for wingnuts to even get noticed unless they talk some really crazy shit, and when they do, the rest of the tribe instinctively lines up to say "Yeah..what HE said!"

There is no fixing the GOP in this election cycle. The more they circle the wagons to defend the tribe's own whack jobs the more they abandon the middle. This will be a landslide for Obama.

124 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 7:48:44pm

re: #20 allegro

What I still haven't figured out is why. Why has this become a partisan issue? Is it the racism? A gun thing? Why this defense of Zimmerman? What is he to them?

A big chunk of it is plain racism. Another, smaller, chunk, has to do with the gun issue. People are calling for the law in Florida to be clarified or struck down. I'm dealing with people elsewhere on the Internet trying to explain to me how awful it would be if someday I were ever to shoot someone in good faith, and go to jail over it. Wouldn't that be awful? Is that what I want? What if I were defending my little child, or, GASP, myself from being raped, but I went to jail for accidentally, not my fault, shooting someone who was unarmed? How AWFUL that would be. Why do liberals want to stop people from defending themselves like that?

I keep telling them that the 'what if' already happened: What if you sent your son to the 7-11 for an iced tea, and he was murdered by a stranger who walked because he said it was self-defense?

Apparently that awful possibility is reasonable collateral damage for these assholes.

125 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 7:49:41pm

re: #32 Obdicut

To be fair, all of the guns-rights advocates here on LGF have not defended him.

That's because they're sane.

This isn't about gun rights. This is about the law as it relates to self-defense.


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