Horrifying: CA Muslim Mom Beaten to Death, With Note Saying ‘Go Back to Your Country’

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A truly horrifying story from California: California Muslim Mother Beaten to Death, Left With Note Saying ‘Go Back to Your Country’.

I’m sure some will disagree with me, but I have no doubt that the climate of deranged xenophobia and anti-Muslim hatred built and fed by people like Newt Gingrich, Pamela Geller, and Robert Spencer played a large part in this brutal crime.

Fatima al-Himidi (in brown headscarf), 17, embraces an unknown person
In the wake of the senseless killing of Trayvon Martin in Florida, another possible hate crime in California underscored the chasm between American values of equality and non-discrimination and incidents of intolerance.

A 32-year-old Iraqi victim of a brutal beating in her San Diego, California, home died yesterday when, with doctors’ expectations that she would not survive, her family removed her from life support. Shaima Alawadi’s family thinks the beating constitutes a hate crime, and police acknowledge the possibility.

Alawadi, a mother of five children aged 8 to 17, immigrated to the U.S. from Iraq in 1993. On Wednesday, her eldest daughter, Fatima al-Himidi, found Alwadi “drowning in her own blood.” Al-Himidi said her mother was beaten with a tire iron. The daughter told San Diego’s KUSI television news that a note near her mother read, “Go back to your country, you terrorist.” (Another report said the note read, “Go back to your own country. You’re a terrorist.”)

“We’re not the terrorists,” al-Himidi said, speaking to the news camera, her voice shaky with emotion. “You are, whoever did it.”

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235 comments

1 Shvaughn  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:55:42pm
I’m sure some will disagree with me, but I have no doubt that the climate of deranged xenophobia and anti-Muslim hatred built and fed by people like Newt Gingrich, Pamela Geller, and Robert Spencer played a large part in this brutal crime.

I agree with you.

These types of crimes only happen when there is open bigotry against groups of people -- the type of open bigotry routinely espoused by those on the Right who you name.

2 freetoken  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:57:06pm

Yesterday I wrote that there must be more to this story, and I still believe that. Not that the anti-muslim element isn't there, but the planned break-in (through the rear) implies something pre-mediated, along of course with the note which shows that the perp had most likely written ahead of time. Makes me all believe there is some sort of stalking going on here.

3 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:57:28pm

How does anyone process this?

4 Shvaughn  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:57:45pm

re: #2 freetoken

Yesterday I wrote that there must be more to this story, and I still believe that. Not that the anti-muslim element isn't there, but the planned break-in (through the rear) implies something pre-mediated, along of course with the note which shows that the perp had most likely written ahead of time. Makes me all believe there is some sort of stalking going on here.

What kind of "more" do you think there is?

5 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:59:44pm

Unless/until evidence to the contrary comes up, I do agree. The note does it.

It's very disturbing we don't have mainstream prime time coverage. That omission sends a very bad message about what we care about, with all due respect to Think Progress.

6 SpaceJesus  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:59:46pm

sick

7 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:00:35pm

re: #4 Shvaughn

What kind of "more" do you think there is?

I can't think of any new information that would temper this in the slightest.

8 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:01:36pm

re: #4 Shvaughn

What kind of "more" do you think there is?

Well I live here and don't want to believe it.

9 freetoken  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:02:13pm

re: #4 Shvaughn

What kind of "more" do you think there is?

I'm wondering if the victim isn't just some random (to the attacker) Iraqi woman, but that this particular women was targeted by someone being driven by additional factors: romance (real or imagined by a stalker) or money.

10 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:02:16pm

Sorry, its just horrifying.

11 Shvaughn  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:02:16pm
12 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:02:45pm

re: #7 Bondo

I can't think of any new information that would temper this in the slightest.

I can. There is the possibility-- not, in any way, a probability, but a possibility-- that someone who wished her harm is using the 'you're a terrorist' note in order to distract police.

13 Shvaughn  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:02:48pm
14 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:05:05pm

I'm waiting on the deluge of idiotic comments from the right

A woman was killed for no reason other than someone hated where she came from, full stop.

I expect to hear some truly evil shit next few days on this

15 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:05:52pm

Quick, someone ask Dan Riehl if her photos were lightened.

16 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:06:11pm

re: #14 Kragar

I think the possibility I offered above will be accepted as the probability, for example.

17 Shvaughn  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:06:17pm

re: #14 Kragar

I'm waiting on the deluge of idiotic comments from the right

A woman was killed for no reason other than someone hated where she came from, full stop.

I expect to hear some truly evil shit next few days on this

The comments are going to come because they feel defensive -- as they should, since their own hateful rhetoric against all Muslims implicates them as supporters of this crime.

18 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:07:22pm

Yah know what's weird is I saw this story in twitter before SD news. Although I'm more global than local. I just hope to shit this isn't a hate crime. Not much hope with the SDPD though, several of their officers just busted - sex payment, no ticket.

19 Shvaughn  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:07:24pm

re: #16 Obdicut

I think the possibility I offered above will be accepted as the probability, for example.

They'll also start looking for ways to blame her for this, and question whether she's really a mother.

20 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:07:35pm

re: #12 Obdicut

I can. There is the possibility-- not, in any way, a probability, but a possibility-- that someone who wished her harm is using the 'you're a terrorist' note in order to distract police.

I had that thought as well. The killing is brutal and horrid regardless, but as I said yesterday, if it's based on bigotry & nothing else, it's all the more horrifying.

21 Shvaughn  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:08:09pm

re: #18 Hoodies for Justice. T

Yah know what's weird is I saw this story in twitter before SD news. Although I'm more global than local. I just hope to shit this isn't a hate crime. Not much hope with the SDPD though, several of their officers just busted - sex payment, no ticket.

I heard about this in church today. It took all my self-control to not take out my phone and start googling it until after the service.

22 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:08:47pm

re: #16 Obdicut

I think the possibility I offered above will be accepted as the probability, for example.

Ugh, you know Pam's brood are going to say it was a sekrit honor killing.

23 Lidane  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:10:38pm

re: #22 Kragar

Ugh, you know Pam's brood are going to say it was a sekrit honor killing.

If Pam can tear herself away from bleating about the French killer and Syria looking to rebuild the caliphate, she might get to it.

24 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:11:38pm

re: #22 Kragar

Ugh, you know Pam's brood are going to say it was a sekrit honor killing.

Oh, you're totally right.

25 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:13:26pm

So, when are these badasses going to start taking on someone other than defenseless women and children? Cowards.
This is sick. And as for all those RW pundits who think my black ass is being manipulated : WRONG!!! This anger is visceral and the sadness is profound.

26 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:13:32pm

re: #12 Obdicut

I can. There is the possibility-- not, in any way, a probability, but a possibility-- that someone who wished her harm is using the 'you're a terrorist' note in order to distract police.

The death would still be senseless, frighteningly violent and evil.

27 justaminute  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:13:39pm

That why I have to take breaks from the Internet sometimes. I have to go out in the world and check with my husband and see if he is facing more discrimination that usual. They don't know that he is not a practicing Muslim, it's just that he looks like it and has an accent. Which the accent invariably leads to THE question, where are you from? When he says Iran now, it's always leads to the conversation about how they feel about Iran. Even if they know that he has been here for a long, long time.

And don't even mention that you son is in the military, then they get an even more deranged look in the eyes.

Or maybe it's just that we live in Oklahoma. But I don't think so. We just returned from a cruise. The friendliest people are not from the US now.

28 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:16:03pm
29 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:16:46pm

re: #5 Daniel Ballard

Unless/until evidence to the contrary comes up, I do agree. The note does it.

It's very disturbing we don't have mainstream prime time coverage. That omission sends a very bad message about what we care about, with all due respect to Think Progress.

The problem is that she was killed on a Saturday. The people at CNN (for example) who would move this story into prime-time aren't working today, so it'll sit till Monday.

I also think that Shaima Alawadi's life has been sadly punctuated by American fuck-ups. She had to flee Iraq because George H.W. Bush told Iraq's Shiites to rise up against Saddam Hussein, then turned right around at let Saddam use his Mi-24 Hinds to butcher them. And having fled the Butcher of Baghdad, she has now been murdered in the kind of brutal way favored by Saddam and his sadistic sons by some nutcase likely egged on by American propagandists who call themselves 'conservative', but are really fascist. So she fled Baathist fascism, only to be murdered by wingnut fascism.

30 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:18:31pm
“We’re not the terrorists,” al-Himidi said, speaking to the news camera, her voice shaky with emotion. “You are, whoever did it.”

Slam dunk.

31 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:19:18pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Dan Riehl identifies the real victim: Riehl World View: Did the AP Tag Alleged Iraqi Hate Crime to Dick Cheney?

That only works in the sense that Cheney was SecDef during Desert Storm, and thus held a chair of power when Alawadi and other Iraqi Shiites got hosed in 1991. But it doesn't work even then, since it wasn't Cheney who made that decision.

32 Lidane  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:20:17pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Dan Riehl identifies the real victim: Riehl World View: Did the AP Tag Alleged Iraqi Hate Crime to Dick Cheney?

How does Dan Riehl get through the day without a crash helmet?

There's some serious competition between Danny and Dim Hoft for dumbest man on the internet.

33 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:20:22pm

re: #22 Kragar

Ugh, you know Pam's brood are going to say it was a sekrit honor killing.

The age difference between the mother and oldest daughter will be a talking point.

34 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:20:22pm
35 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:21:45pm

re: #32 Lidane

How does Dan Riehl get through the day without a crash helmet?

There's some serious competition between Danny and Dim Hoft for dumbest man on the internet.

Dim by a nose.

36 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:22:50pm

re: #12 Obdicut

I can. There is the possibility-- not, in any way, a probability, but a possibility-- that someone who wished her harm is using the 'you're a terrorist' note in order to distract police.

Yes, since the article says her husband worked with the U.S. Army, there's the possibility that it was related to that. As Kragar & others have said though, people will spin it in all sorts of ways: honor killing, she (or someone in the family) had terrorist connections, etc.—i.e. it'll either be "What do you expect from those savage Muslims," or "She deserved it," or "We lost 3,000 on 9/11, so who cares about one dead Muslim? Good riddance."

37 allegro  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:24:02pm

re: #27 justaminute

Which the accent invariably leads to THE question, where are you from? When he says Iran now, it's always leads to the conversation about how they feel about Iran. Even if they know that he has been here for a long, long time.

I have a friend whose family came here from Iran many years ago as well. When she is asked about where she's from she answers that she is Persian. Winger idiots are too ignorant to know what that even means.

38 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:24:16pm

re: #27 justaminute

That why I have to take breaks from the Internet sometimes. I have to go out in the world and check with my husband and see if he is facing more discrimination that usual. They don't know that he is not a practicing Muslim, it's just that he looks like it and has an accent. Which the accent invariably leads to THE question, where are you from? When he says Iran now, it's always leads to the conversation about how they feel about Iran. Even if they know that he has been here for a long, long time.

And don't even mention that you son is in the military, then they get an even more deranged look in the eyes.

Or maybe it's just that we live in Oklahoma. But I don't think so.

We just returned from a cruise. The friendliest people are not from the US now

.

Really? Wow. Tell . Sucks & I'm sorry.

39 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:25:00pm

The best things that could happen next is an arrest and a major outreach from the neighborhood.

40 Shvaughn  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:25:29pm

As usual, don't read the comments at Fox News.

Unless you're Charles, who can get posts out of these things. :)

41 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:28:10pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Dan Riehl identifies the real victim: Riehl World View: Did the AP Tag Alleged Iraqi Hate Crime to Dick Cheney?

Someone want to explain to Dan how news topic groups are often assigned via automated key word recognition?

42 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:29:38pm

It's a shame and it's horrendous. America was made great because we embrace those who come from abroad and want to be one of us.

43 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:30:14pm

re: #40 Shvaughn

From the mouths of cretins:

She had it coming because she was "too westernized"....
When you move to "the West' from your mud hut that is heated with camel dung and see what the "westernized" life consists of it is very easy to want to become a part of it. If you do, your husband/father/brother beats you to death......I guess a divorce would be out of the question....is it too "western" CAIR?

44 Lidane  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:30:56pm

Freepers weigh in:

My cynicism seems to have no bounds these days. This sounds phony to me. I suspect it's either her husband or brothers who are the perps...
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Is her husband trying to cover up his muslim approved wife beating?
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Sounds like they are trying to cover-up one of their sick honor killings.

What did she do wrong, smile at someone of the opposite sex, wear lipstick, have a foot showing?

Muslim men are cowardly degenerate scum.
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What jumps out at me on this story is the CAIR connection. Plus [bigoted word]s seem to enjoy beating women and children to death. Americans just shoot folks dead in their tracks!
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That’s what I thought. Or CAIR is out killing women as a sick publicity stunt.
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If 0bama had a mother, “she’d look just like Shaima Alawadi” The ‘go back to your country’ note was a clever diversion placed there by a family member, no doubt.
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Taaquiya, Lying in the cause of islame is always acceptable.
Had to honor kill a stubborn woman. Blame it on the infidel!
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Since:
I don't trust the Associated Press
I don't trust CAIR
I don't trust any Muslim
I don't trust much that comes out of California
Muslim “honor” killings have become fairly common in this country over the past 10 years or so.
I am taking this story with a grain of salt. It just sounds too pat. The note left at the scene of the crime sure sounds a little stilted to me. Like it was written by someone to whom English is a second language maybe.
I think I will with hold further comment on this for a while. At least until there is more information and/or CAIR starts trying to whip up the mobs ala Sharpton, Jackson, Obama et al

45 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:31:53pm

re: #40 Shvaughn

As usual, don't read the comments at Fox News.

Unless you're Charles, who can get posts out of these things. :)

Actually, the comments on Shaima Alawadi herself aren't as bad as I feared. but the comments have now veered off into Obama-hate that's utter Birther filth as usual. A sample:

fred37ify 12 minutes ago in reply to tigerstripes

And the Florida shooter has a witness ! And it turns out the kid could be Barracks ! He has the same total disreguard for the law as Barrack ! And the police in that town know him well !
1 person liked this.

tigerstripes 11 minutes ago in reply to fred37ify

Barack is from Sanford ??

who knew ??

fred37ify 8 minutes ago in reply to tigerstripes

NOBODY KNOWS WHERE BARRACKS FROM !

tigerstripes 7 minutes ago in reply to fred37ify

I know.....not even Barack knows where he is from
1 person liked this.

fred37ify 0 minutes ago in reply to tigerstripes

Barrack knows ! He just don't want us to know !------> [Link: www.AnsweringMusIims.com...] !

tigerstripes 0 minutes ago in reply to fred37ify

I went to that site....very good info

thanks

46 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:33:37pm

re: #44 Lidane

Freepers weigh in:

They come up with every justification under the sun when Bales killed Afghanis, but when the suspect is unknown, its got to be a Muslim and they can't conceive someone followed thru on their rhetoric.

Fucking assholes.

47 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:34:33pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

How about this douche?

New movie out this summer called "Planet of the Apes: New Generation" It is about an Ape/Human hybrid that runs for president of the US and gets elected.

48 jaunte  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:36:29pm

re: #40 Shvaughn

It's a false flag attack!

ClinkinKY 39 minutes ago
The liberal trolls posting here as "conservatives" are proof that George Soros has A LOT of money and is willing to spend it for frivolous projects.

49 Shvaughn  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:37:09pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

Actually, the comments on Shaima Alawadi herself aren't as bad as I feared. but the comments have now veered off into Obama-hate that's utter Birther filth as usual. A sample:

I gave up when I saw someone say, of Shaima, something like "one less potential suicide bomber" and someone else saying that all members of CAIR should be killed like Shaima.

50 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:37:16pm

re: #48 jaunte

It's like an inversion of Poe's Law-- conservatives being convinced that any comment they personally find over the line in terms of racism must be a liberal troll.

51 efuseakay  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:37:36pm

Cue the "It was another Muslim that did it to make us look bad!" excuses from the wingers in 3... 2... 1...

Oh wait. I'm late to that party.

52 justaminute  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:37:54pm

re: #38 Hoodies for Justice. T

.

Really? Wow. Tell . Sucks & I'm sorry.

Don't be sorry. Generally people contain themselves. It's not quite like the days of the Iranian hostage crisis. That was worse. Now people seem to be so consumed with anger anymore, they seem to be exhausted. They don't even want to discuss the election anymore. Not even Obamacare. The old man coffee clatches aren't even talking about the price of gas. Honestly, people seem more depressed about our situation now. I think they are slowly coming to the realization that maybe, just maybe, they were wrong before listening to the Republicans. I like in hope.

53 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:38:39pm

re: #48 jaunte

It's a false flag attack!

Hey, the Soros money is just another paycheck. I thought they loved a free market?

54 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:38:49pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

Actually, the comments on Shaima Alawadi herself aren't as bad as I feared. but the comments have now veered off into Obama-hate that's utter Birther filth as usual. A sample:

Next thing you know it'll be "Obama's behind it!!11! It was a false flag operation to generate sympathy for his fellow Muslims!" /only half

55 jaunte  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:39:14pm

re: #53 Kragar

I thought they loved not knowing who was paying for political speech!

56 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:39:54pm

re: #47 Lord of Republicandoucheistan

How about this douche?

He's a racist shitbird, of course.

57 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:42:23pm

re: #54 CuriousLurker

Next thing you know it'll be "Obama's behind it!!11! It was a false flag operation to generate sympathy for his fellow Muslims!" /only half

Its obvious he did this in an election year to make conservatives look bad.
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58 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:43:06pm

More from Enraged ALL-CAPS With Lots of Explanation Points Guy:

"An IRAQI mother". Notice it did NOT say , "An AMERICAN mother"!! Her, and the ENTIRE FAMILY, have been in the USA since the "Mid 90's". Which means .....OVER 10 YEARS!!! And they STILL are NOT U.S. citizens!!!!
Do I CARE ABOUT her, and the ENTIRE ....".IRAQI " family? ABSOLUTELY.....NOT!!!!
SIGNED: DANIEL L. BUSHEY
5 people liked this.

59 jaunte  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:43:38pm

OT, but I like the quote:

"Does Imbecile have a Mt. Everest? Consider it climbed."
Conservative race-blogger Dan Riehl unraveling before your eyes

60 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:47:05pm

re: #59 jaunte

Dan, being brilliant as well as race-blind, called Charles stupid, lame, irrelevant, and tweeted that if Charles ever came by the neighborhood, he’d get beaten up. This came in between Dan raining the internet with half-eaten grubs, beating his sagging chest and pissing on the trees in front of his apartment.

Thats some industrial grade win.

61 Atlas Fails  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:50:39pm

Well, I suppose it's possible that the note was left to throw the cops off, but if I were a betting man, I'd say this looks like a hate crime. What a terrible shame for this woman and her family. I wish I had it in me to be outraged, but I'm just sad. I'm sad that such crimes still exist in America, and that so many figures with such influence choose to stoke the feelings that lead to them (yes, I'm looking at you, Newt.)

62 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:52:14pm

re: #60 Kragar

Thats some industrial grade win.

In the Charlie Sheen sense of 'winning', though Dan Riehl doesn't have Sheen's sense of humor nor even half the amount of charm Sheen can muster when he wants to. Charlie Sheen can make going nuts look horrifying yet spectacular. Dan Riehl just make it look sad and lame.

63 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:54:40pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

In the Charlie Sheen sense of 'winning', though Dan Riehl doesn't have Sheen's sense of humor nor even half the amount of charm Sheen can muster when he wants to. Charlie Sheen can make going nuts look horrifying yet spectacular. Dan Riehl just make it look sad and lame.

I meant the comment about Riehl was winning. Riehl is a disgusting sack of shit.

64 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:54:49pm

re: #52 justaminute

Really? Wow. Tell . Sucks & I'm sorry.

Don't be sorry. Generally people contain themselves. It's not quite like the days of the Iranian hostage crisis. That was worse. Now people seem to be so consumed with anger anymore, they seem to be exhausted. They don't even want to discuss the election anymore. Not even Obamacare. The old man coffee clatches aren't even talking about the price of gas. Honestly, people seem more depressed about our situation now. I think they are slowly coming to the realization that maybe, just maybe, they were wrong before listening to the Republicans. I like in hope.

Thanks for the answer.

65 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:55:10pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

In the Charlie Sheen sense of 'winning', though Dan Riehl doesn't have Sheen's sense of humor nor even half the amount of charm Sheen can muster when he wants to. Charlie Sheen can make going nuts look horrifying yet spectacular. Dan Riehl just make it look sad and lame.

66 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 3:56:56pm

re: #59 jaunte

OT, but I like the quote:

"Does Imbecile have a Mt. Everest? Consider it climbed."
Conservative race-blogger Dan Riehl unraveling before your eyes

And I like the one comment:

The problem is that the more a winger embarrasses himself in public and then keeps digging, the more he or she is held up as some kind of victim, or hero if you will. Danny boy is in the Jim Hoft and Andrew Breitbart class of idiots. Flaunt your racism and ignorance until you are caught, then blame everyone else for the errors of your ways. It’s pathetic. But it is very funny.

67 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:01:49pm

re: #64 Hoodies for Justice. T

Thanks for the answer.

I just honestly don't have words. We've got it so easy, until they find out I'm from that enemy tribe, Liberal Americans.

68 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:01:55pm

re: #65 Lord of Republicandoucheistan

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Heh. The really funny part is he likely made more from the couple hours it took to film those sequences than I'll make even if I have a stellar sales month.

I'm laughing on the inside.

69 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:05:31pm

The 5 people killed in San Francisco, who included someone I knew casually (or, at least, appears to have included her-- I can't find an actual list of the dead) appear to have been killed by Vietnamese gang members over gambling debts.

Two have been detained in relation to it. Realistically, these are going to be just the street level thugs, and they will not flip on the guys who ordered the killing.

SF's police department has not been able to contain the growing Asian gang violence.

70 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:05:49pm

re: #68 Dark_Falcon

Heh. The really funny part is he likely made more from the couple hours it took to film those sequences than I'll make even if I have a stellar sales month.

I'm laughing on the inside.

I never get tired of watching that commercial. Whoever came up with this campaign idea deserves a fat raise.

71 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:06:01pm

re: #63 Kragar

I meant the comment about Riehl was winning. Riehl is a disgusting sack of shit.

I know. I just wanted to point out how pathetic Riehl is. He can't even do a public meltdown right.

72 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:06:30pm

What. The. Fuck?

73 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:07:02pm

re: #72 Lord of Republicandoucheistan

That just sounds like someone cut themselves cutting up a watermelon.

74 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:07:06pm

re: #69 Obdicut

The 5 people killed in San Francisco, who included someone I knew casually (or, at least, appears to have included her-- I can't find an actual list of the dead) appear to have been killed by Vietnamese gang members over gambling debts.

Two have been detained in relation to it. Realistically, these are going to be just the street level thugs, and they will not flip on the guys who ordered the killing.

SF's police department has not been able to contain the growing Asian gang violence.

All Vietnamese, or are the triads making moves in the US again?

75 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:07:55pm

Rock chalk Jayhawk

76 Shvaughn  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:07:57pm

Yikes, 7.2 quake off the coast of Chile. Hope they're okay down there.

77 freetoken  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:10:16pm

OT: Cameron has supposedly reached the bottom of the trench, where he will buzz around for a few hours before returning to the surface.

78 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:11:19pm

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

All Vietnamese, or are the triads making moves in the US again?

There are Cambodian, Chinese, Vietnamese, Filipino gangs. That's part of the problem.

Some people think that the triads are behind almost all of it, in the end. I don't know, I'm not an expert.

79 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:12:03pm

re: #75 Hoodies for Justice. T

Rock chalk Jayhawk

Not to pee in your cereal, but UNC not having Kendall really hurt the Heels. That and overtime to Ohio Friday night. Good luck against the Eyes on Saturday.

80 blueraven  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:13:21pm

OMG...one of George Zimmerman's neighbors/defenders just said this about him on Dateline NBC

He was a cross between Barney Fife and Andy of Mayberry

81 justaminute  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:13:44pm

re: #67 Hoodies for Justice. T

I just honestly don't have words. We've got it so easy, until they find out I'm from that enemy tribe, Liberal Americans.

IMHO people can only live in a state of outrageous outrage for so long. When you get in an conversation with a person who holds a far right opinion, it honestly takes hardly any effort to shoot in down now. I frankly don't even think to many people in Oklahoma are going to come out and vote. Except for the fundies. It's definitely not like four years ago.

82 darthstar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:13:58pm

re: #80 blueraven

OMG...one of George Zimmerman's neighbors/defenders just said this about him on Dateline NBC

And that was probably mean as a compliment.

83 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:14:23pm

re: #79 Lord of Republicandoucheistan

Not to pee in your cereal, but UNC not having Kendall really hurt the Heels. That and overtime to Ohio Friday night. Good luck against the Eyes on Saturday.

Dude, I'm still gonna watch, dont really care a whole lot, but I'm the bitter Gator. Oh and embarrassed too.

84 blueraven  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:14:30pm

re: #82 darthstar

And that was probably mean as a compliment.

Indeed.

85 freetoken  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:14:36pm

re: #80 blueraven

86 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:14:53pm

re: #82 darthstar

Remember that episode when Andy became suspicious of the black kid, trailed him, and then shot him?

87 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:15:19pm

re: #75 Hoodies for Justice. T

Rock chalk Jayhawk

Also, Greg Anthony showed why he is one of the best analysts in the business this tournament. I never get tired of watching him or reading his tweets. Very smart man this Mr. Anthony is.

88 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:16:19pm

i'm at a loss for words. all i feel now is sadness for her family, especially her children.

and i hope the police don't fuck the investigation up, and take it very very seriously.

89 darthstar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:16:31pm

re: #86 Obdicut

Remember that episode when Andy became suspicious of the black kid, trailed him, and then shot him?

There's a song about it...

90 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:16:33pm

re: #83 Hoodies for Justice. T

Dude, I'm still gonna watch, dont really care a whole lot, but I'm the bitter Gator. Oh and embarrassed too.

Yeah, that was an unbelievable turn of events for the Gators.

91 Majacita  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:21:42pm

How can there be so much hate in people? Was it always here? Does it show? I live in a red state and I wonder who it is that posts these awful things. Are they my neighbors?

92 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:22:42pm

re: #86 Obdicut

Remember that episode when Andy became suspicious of the black kid, trailed him, and then shot him?

No, but I remember the one where he ran some black people off because Mayberry was afraid that their being seen in town would lower property values.

/not entirely kidding

93 Shvaughn  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:22:50pm
94 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:22:55pm
95 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:23:22pm

More doucheness from "Little Dick" Dan:

96 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:24:57pm

re: #95 Lord of Republicandoucheistan

More doucheness from "Little Dick" Dan:

If he means by that that his IQ is lower than the IQ of the Wonderbread, then he'll have a point.

97 blueraven  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:26:22pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

No, but I remember the one where he ran some black people off because Mayberry was afraid that their being seen in town would lower property values.

/not entirely kidding

A Raisin in the Sun

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

98 Lidane  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:27:56pm

re: #95 Lord of Republicandoucheistan

I'll help Dan out in making a statement about himself:

99 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:28:01pm

OT, but...

The Italian socialist that stole taxpayer money to pay off the unions at Chrysler is on 60 Minutes spreading Obama propaganda!!!

100 justaminute  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:31:58pm

re: #91 Majacita

How can there be so much hate in people? Was it always here? Does it show? I live in a red state and I wonder who it is that posts these awful things. Are they my neighbors?

Being anonymous really loosens their tongues. Sometime I wonder if they are on facebook and carry it to there also? When my son was trying to get his security clearance for the Navy, they asked for the names of the sites he posted on and what name did he use and for his Facebook info. They asked me too when they interviewed me for the clearance. Surprisingly they haven't interviewed my husband yet, that means it is not over yet.

101 dragonfire1981  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:36:55pm

re: #100 justaminute

But then there are bunch of them, like Dan Riehl, who apparently have no problem expressing such views while enjoying no anonymity at all.

102 abolitionist  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:37:13pm

re: #94 Kragar

Witness: Zimmerman 'never ... tried to help' Trayvon Martin

Zimmerman's attorney has not yet seen him in person? Incredible!

103 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:37:32pm

My youngest just told me for her 9th birthday, she wants a Dr. Who sonic screwdriver.

I win!

104 freetoken  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:38:18pm

re: #103 Kragar

Yeah, you win... till you find out how expensive they are.

105 Majacita  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:39:46pm

Zimmerman's mother is from Peru. He may have left the country.

106 compound_Idaho  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:41:12pm

re: #100 justaminute

Being anonymous really loosens their tongues. Sometime I wonder if they are on facebook and carry it to there also? When my son was trying to get his security clearance for the Navy, they asked for the names of the sites he posted on and what name did he use and for his Facebook info. They asked me too when they interviewed me for the clearance. Surprisingly they haven't interviewed my husband yet, that means it is not over yet.

I was interviewed by the FBI for my brother-in-law's security clearance. Apparently the FBI did not know he was married to my sister. When asked if I knew his wife, I told him that we had lived together for 17 years. I didn't even get a smile from him.

107 Majacita  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:41:44pm

re: #103 Kragar

My son took his to school for show and tell, dressed like the Doctor (David Tennant) No one knew what he was talking about. He was shocked. He thought everyone loved the Doctor.

108 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:42:18pm

re: #100 justaminute

Being anonymous really loosens their tongues. Sometime I wonder if they are on facebook and carry it to there also? When my son was trying to get his security clearance for the Navy, they asked for the names of the sites he posted on and what name did he use and for his Facebook info. They asked me too when they interviewed me for the clearance. Surprisingly they haven't interviewed my husband yet, that means it is not over yet.

I just had a security questionnaire for a government clearance and they didn't ask anything about what sites I visited.

109 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:42:28pm

re: #104 freetoken

Yeah, you win... till you find out how expensive they are.


$30 bucks for the build your own kit

110 freetoken  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:43:36pm

re: #109 Kragar

Oh, I thought you wanted a real one.

111 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:44:43pm

re: #110 freetoken

Oh, I thought you wanted a real one.

I'm still working on my chainsword. One project at a time.

112 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:48:08pm

re: #103 Kragar

My youngest just told me for her 9th birthday, she wants a Dr. Who sonic screwdriver.

I win!

That was my big Christmas hit two years ago. This year is was plush Angry Birds.

113 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:48:14pm

re: #108 Learned Mother of Zion

I just had a security questionnaire for a government clearance and they didn't ask anything about what sites I visited.

It's far more strict with the military, and I'd wager they also want to make sure the person being vetted doesn't have a history of posting wacko things. A questionable, but defensible use-of-force situation can become an indefensible one if it turns out the officer (or any other accused person) had a history of making crazy or racist comments about the people he is accused of using force on.

114 justaminute  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:48:52pm

re: #106 compound_Idaho

I was interviewed by the FBI for my brother-in-law's security clearance. Apparently the FBI did not know he was married to my sister. When asked if I knew his wife, I told him that we had lived together for 17 years. I didn't even get a smile from him.

I also wonder why they don't work faster. My son is with his squadron now and in May is being deployed for six months. And after their return they are hoping for the arrival of their new plane the P-8 that has quite a bit of super secret new stuff. He just returned from SERE school. He can't talk about it but just to mention he had bruises on his entire body. Maybe they beat it out of him. Don't really think so, everybody returned saying it was the worst experience of their life.

115 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:49:46pm

Oh, and on topic, may they find this creep and find him fast.

I do not wish for such a person to enjoy liberty in the United States of America.

116 Lidane  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:49:55pm

re: #101 dragonfire1981

But then there are bunch of them, like Dan Riehl, who apparently have no problem expressing such views while enjoying no anonymity at all.

That's because dipshits like Dan Riehl have perfectly tapped into the RWNJ vein of resentment. If you call them out on their obvious racism, ignorance, and bigotry, you're the racist. You're the one with a problem, not them.

117 freetoken  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:50:16pm

Physics experiments have often been lamented as having turned into only "Big Physics", those requiring big bucks.

But the dollars are now evaporating, along with Big Physics:


DOE Scraps Plans for Neutrino Experiment in Mine

The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) is putting the brakes on the development of a gigantic experiment seen as the flagship project for the next decade at the country's sole particle physics laboratory.

At a projected $1.5 billion, the Long-Baseline Neutrino Experiment (LBNE) at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory (Fermilab) in Batavia, Illinois, is not affordable, says William Brinkman, director of DOE's Office of Science. So this week he asked physicists to come up with a cheaper way to do the same science.

The current plan for LBNE is to build a gigantic particle detector in the abandoned Homestake gold mine in South Dakota. The detector would contain tens of thousands of tons of frigid liquid argon and would snare elusive subatomic particles called neutrinos fired through Earth from Fermilab 1300 kilometers away. The experiment would search for an asymmetry between neutrinos and antineutrinos, called CP violation, which could shed light on why the burgeoning universe developed so much matter and so little antimatter.

But the prospect of flat budgets for years to come puts its cost out of reach. "We do not see that we can afford a project as large as that proposed as LBNE," Brinkman tells ScienceInsider.

[...]

118 justaminute  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:51:09pm

re: #108 Learned Mother of Zion

I just had a security questionnaire for a government clearance and they didn't ask anything about what sites I visited.

Maybe because your not in the military. They even asked me if I knew what sites my son visited and what name he used. And then after I answered they had a slight smile like I had given them the right answer.

119 Lidane  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:51:21pm

re: #103 Kragar

My youngest just told me for her 9th birthday, she wants a Dr. Who sonic screwdriver.

I win!

Heh. The more I read his blogs, Tweets, and all around social media geekiness, the more I like Wil Wheaton:

The Force Will Be With Him

120 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:52:10pm

re: #114 justaminute

I also wonder why they don't work faster. My son is with his squadron now and in May is being deployed for six months. And after their return they are hoping for the arrival of their new plane the P-8 that has quite a bit of super secret new stuff. He just returned from SERE school. He can't talk about it but just to mention he had bruises on his entire body. Maybe they beat it out of him. Don't really think so, everybody returned saying it was the worst experience of their life.

SERE school is just about the most punishing training any service man can go thru. Its brutal, because it has to be.

121 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:52:43pm

re: #118 justaminute

Maybe because your not in the military. They even asked me if I knew what sites my son visited and what name he used. And then after I answered they had a slight smile like I had given them the right answer.

I would have to hang my head and reply "Iwastesomuchtime.com."

123 Shvaughn  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:54:44pm

Afghan gun massacre families paid compensation

U.S. authorities have given cash compensation to the families of Afghans killed in a shooting rampage allegedly carried out by an American soldier in Kandahar province, a family member and a tribal elder said on Sunday.

The families received around $50,000 for each person killed and about $10,000 for each wounded in the shootings in two villages in Panjwai district earlier this month. Afghan officials say 16 people, including nine children and women, were killed in the attacks.

124 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:55:50pm

re: #123 Shvaughn

Afghan gun massacre families paid compensation

Well, I suppose this is better than denying that it happened.

125 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:56:34pm

re: #122 Lidane

$20 at ThinkGeek, sound effects and all

Not customizable though.

126 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:56:45pm

re: #123 Shvaughn

Afghan gun massacre families paid compensation

$50,000? Is that what a human life is going for these days?

127 freetoken  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:57:13pm

And, getting some play in today's press:


Earth Warming Faster Than Expected

Before quoting some of the text, let me say right now that I don't like that headline. Onward:

By 2050, global average temperature could be between 1.4°C and 3°C warmer than it was just a couple of decades ago, according to a new study that seeks to address the largest sources of uncertainty in current climate models. That's substantially higher than estimates produced by other climate analyses, suggesting that Earth's climate could warm much more quickly than previously thought.

Many factors affect global and regional climate, including planet-warming "greenhouse" gases, solar activity, light-scattering atmospheric pollutants, and heat transfer among the land, sea, and air, to name just a few. There are so many influences to consider that it makes determining the effect of any one factor—despite years and sometimes decades of measurements—difficult.

[...]

The higher end of the team's range of likely warming scenarios is between 0.5°C and 0.75°C warmer than the scenarios published in the last report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Rowlands says. "These sorts of numbers haven't been seen in other complex climate models."

[...]

The actual paper:

Broad range of 2050 warming from an observationally constrained large climate model ensemble

One published comment:


Climate science: Constraints on the high end

The BBC's take:

Temperatures could rise by 3C by 2050, models suggest

Some thoughts:

This is the type of work that can be greatly misunderstood and misrepresented.

Even the title of the Science article entry (not the actual scientific paper) is misleading. The BBC article title puts a lot of onus upon the reader understanding the word "could".

The model results' midpoint for the temperature rise by 2050 isn't so different from previous estimates. It's just that the distribution (of thousands of runs changing small parameters) of projections ranges more on the high side than some of the previous.

128 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:58:17pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

$50,000? Is that what a human life is going for these days?

It's based on projected economic loss. Thus a life lost in Baghdad was compensated more than an Afghan villager, simply because the Iraqi had greater earning potential. It's a standard measurement.

129 Shvaughn  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:58:41pm

Unrelated to anything, but interesting:

Tsunami 'ghost ship' haunts Canada coast

As an eerie reminder of the tragedy that befell the Japanese people over 12 months ago, a 150-ft (46-meter) Japanese fishing boat has been spotted on the other side of the Pacific Ocean, floating aimlessly off the coast of the Haida Gwaii islands, British Columbia.

In the aftermath of the Japanese earthquake and tsunami that devastated Japan on March 11, 2011, up to eight million tons of wreckage was washed out to sea -- 2 million of which is thought to still be floating on the surface.

The "ghost ship" has been traced back to a Hokkaido squid fishing company, which confirmed that no one was thought to have been on board before the tsunami struck.

The ship was spotted by a patrol aircraft and the Canadian transport ministry is keeping close tabs on the vessel, ensuring it doesn't become an obstruction to shipping lanes and that it isn't leaking pollution.

130 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:00:15pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

It's based on projected economic loss. Thus a life lost in Baghdad was compensated more than an Afghan villager, simply because the Iraqi had greater earning potential. It's a standard measurement.

It's a slap in the face is what it is. A person is more than their earning potential.

131 Lidane  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:00:44pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

$50,000? Is that what a human life is going for these days?

That works out to just over $2.4 million in Afghan currency:

[Link: www.xe.com...]

132 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:04:20pm

Wow. Riehl's going even further into the gutter now:

The title of that blog post he's linking to: "Was Trayvon Martin a Drug Dealer?"

133 Lidane  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:04:33pm

re: #125 Kragar

Not customizable though.

True. It's just a replica of the one the 10th Doctor used.

OTOH, I just saw this and about died: Harry Dresden doll

134 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:04:57pm

re: #130 Targetpractice

It's a slap in the face is what it is. A person is more than their earning potential.

No, it isn't. Casualty compensation is intended to compensate survivors for the deceased person's earning potential, to help keep them from suffering economic dislocation. The human life value is a matter that will be handled by trying the shooter for the killings.

135 justaminute  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:06:37pm

re: #130 Targetpractice

It's a slap in the face is what it is. A person is more than their earning potential.

That is not unusual in the area. CL may know the answer to this, but it seems to be part of Muslim law to offer money to the family in place of prosecution. I also wondered at the almost relative calm after this on the part of the Afghan's. I expected much more, especially coming on top of the Koran burning. Even my husband was surprised. It's puzzling.

136 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:07:03pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

Wow. Riehl's going even further into the gutter now:

The title of that blog post he's linking to: "Was Trayvon Martin a Drug Dealer?"

Does Dan Riehl fondle goats? Its a question that needs to be considered.
///

137 Lidane  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:08:25pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

Forget the crash helmet. Dan Riehl obviously needs help dressing and feeding himself during the day. WTF?

138 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:09:04pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

Wow. Riehl's going even further into the gutter now:

The title of that blog post he's linking to: "Was Trayvon Martin a Drug Dealer?"

New Flash: Idiot Blogger Dan Riehl efforts to hit bottom have finally paid off as he emerged in central China today, having made the final breakthrough with yet another post slandering shooting victim Trayvon Martin. Riehl was arrested soon after by Chinese authorities, who plan to deport him back to the US. Outgoing Chinese President Hu Jintao publicly stated "This crazy wingnut is America's problem, and they can keep him!"

//

139 abolitionist  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:10:37pm

re: #138 Dark_Falcon

Some people just don't know when to stop digging.

140 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:10:53pm

re: #137 Lidane

Forget the crash helmet. Dan Riehl obviously needs help dressing and feeding himself during the day. WTF?

Instead of a crash helmet, can't his blog just crash for a few days? We could use a break from his stream of Napalm-grade Burning Stupid.

141 Lidane  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:11:04pm

re: #139 abolitionist

Some people just don't know when to stop digging.

See: Blogosphere, RWNJ.

142 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:11:27pm

Robert Spencer is getting set to blame the murder of Shaima Alawadi on a Muslim "honor killing:"

143 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:11:37pm

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

No, it isn't. Casualty compensation is intended to compensate survivors for the deceased person's earning potential, to help keep them from suffering economic dislocation. The human life value is a matter that will be handled by trying the shooter for the killings.

re: #135 justaminute

That is not unusual in the area. CL may know the answer to this, but it seems to be part of Muslim law to offer money to the family in place of prosecution. I also wondered at the almost relative calm after this on the part of the Iraqi's. I expected much more, especially coming on top of the Koran burning. Even my husband was surprised. It's puzzling.

Makes sense. It just rankles me something fierce, in light of information that's come out not only about the asshole responsible, but also the military's efforts to keep the war effort going by grinding our troops into the ground as far as possible. Justice at this point seems more and more like getting out of the country and staying out, rather than cutting a check.

144 Shvaughn  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:12:36pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

Robert Spencer is getting set to blame the murder of Shaima Alawadi on a Muslim "honor killing:"

Predictably despicable.

145 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:12:46pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

Robert Spencer is getting set to blame the murder of Shaima Alawadi on a Muslim "honor killing:"

I'm surprised Pam hasn't started her happy dance over this story. Perhaps she's waiting for the right anti-Muslim angle to it.

146 Lidane  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:13:03pm

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

Instead of a crash helmet, can't his blog just crash for a few days? We could use a break from his stream of Napalm-grade Burning Stupid.

Careful, Dark. It almost sounds like you'd support some Anon-style trolling of Dan Riehl's blog. Heh. ;)

Also, I eagerly await posts explaining how you're now against free speech and want the government to silence Dan Riehl.

148 Lidane  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:14:14pm

re: #145 Targetpractice

I'm surprised Pam hasn't started her happy dance over this story. Perhaps she's waiting for the right anti-Muslim angle to it.

She's too busy working herself into a snit over the French killer these days. Not a word about Trayvon Martin or Shaima Alawadi so far.

149 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:14:21pm

A message to the Right Wing:

It doesn't matter if he had tattoos.

It doesn't matter if he took a picture you don't like and posted it online.

It doesn't matter if you don't like the look of his friends online.

It doesn't matter why he got suspended.

What matters is what he was doing the night he got shot, which was walking down the street, minding his own business when he was stalked and killed by a private citizen with a history of disturbing behavior and the PDs incompetence in investigating the matter.

150 Lidane  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:15:30pm

re: #147 Charles Johnson

CALIFORNIA: Hate Crime? Or was it actually an honor killing? Bare Naked Islam

The Freepers are busy flogging the "It's an honor killing false flag!" meme.

Apparently, it's also a conspiracy by CAIR, who are now killing people. Or something.

151 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:16:53pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

Robert Spencer is getting set to blame the murder of Shaima Alawadi on a Muslim "honor killing:"

I'm guessing if one did a break down, one would find most killings were performed by people who share a racial or cultural origins.

More Americans are killed by Americans.
More Christians are killed by Christians.
So on and so on.

Its a nonsense response to the attack.

152 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:18:47pm

The Zimmerman apologists are extra vile.

153 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:18:52pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

Robert Spencer is getting set to blame the murder of Shaima Alawadi on a Muslim "honor killing:"

I'll also note that this is the same initial line of response I got from a lot of wingnuts when Trayvon Martin's murder became news, namely "Blacks kill blacks all the time, why is only news when a white man kills a black man?!"

154 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:19:15pm

re: #18 Hoodies for Justice. T

Yah know what's weird is I saw this story in twitter before SD news. Although I'm more global than local. I just hope to shit this isn't a hate crime. Not much hope with the SDPD though, several of their officers just busted - sex payment, no ticket.

This is all very sad, but so is the current glorification of "hoodies" (and I quote you for obvious reason) as a style as opposed to a convenience. Most of us, including myself, probably have an article of clothing with a "hood" to be used according to the weather.

However there is a reason that there is a negative connotation and it is a very real reason. This, along with pants below the ass, has become a signature dress for ex cons, punks, drug dealers and hoodlums, of any race.

That it should now become a signature dress for a tragic miscarriage of justice (if that is what it becomes) is in itself tragic.

155 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:19:28pm

Speaking of idiot bloggers, I just checking on those nuts at the Stalker Blog and found this ugly bit of filth on a thread of theirs attacking a post Charles aimed at me that went after the NRA. For the record, I disagreed and still disagree with Charles about what he posted, but nothing he said justified this pile of horseshit:

Minnow
March 23, 2012 at 11:15 pm | #21
Reply | Quote

this summer will be interesting. Race wars. Like Milwaukee/Detroit/Newark 1967.

National Guard.

Tanks rolling down streets.

Curfew.

So. What has changed? Oh – that’s right. Nothing.

Except that Whitey has been made to feel more guilty.

And what have Jesse and Al done (not to mention the Community) to improve themselves.

No fathers. Gubmint hand outs. Hoodies. Drugs. Guns. Hate Whitey.

Ha.
Minnow
March 23, 2012 at 11:22 pm | #22
Reply | Quote

let’s all just contemplate “Asians” as an example. Being the racist that I am.

Asians will all live together (many members of a family). They all get jobs. They all go to college. They all work their asses off. They work for the betterment of the family. They have a one-hundred year plan.

They are completely useless, immigrant minorities.

And they are so much better than we are.

I have complete respect.

Too bad the Black Community is being led by pimps like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

Ha

The part I bolded is the main take-away, since 'Minnow' clearly is a racist in posting that. The Stalkers now seem to fully embrace racists like that.

156 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:20:36pm

The building meme: 17 yr old kid had tattoos, smoked weed, may have been a drug dealer, was suspended from school, probably not a good kid.

So he deserved to get shot.

Vile.

157 justaminute  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:20:42pm

re: #143 Targetpractice

re: #135 justaminute

Makes sense. It just rankles me something fierce, in light of information that's come out not only about the asshole responsible, but also the militarys efforts to keep the war effort going by grinding our troops into the ground as far as possible. Justice at this point seems more and more like getting out of the country and staying out, rather than cutting a check.

I'm certainly ready to go but I have this memory keep popping up after the USSR and the US support of the insurgents we got Al Q and Bin Laden. And I don't think firing missiles with drones is going to take care of it either. There is no right answer in this situation because the right answer was getting in there and taking care of Bin Laden a long time ago. Like about eight years ago.

158 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:21:01pm

re: #146 Lidane

Careful, Dark. It almost sounds like you'd support some Anon-style trolling of Dan Riehl's blog. Heh. ;)

Also, I eagerly await posts explaining how you're now against free speech and want the government to silence Dan Riehl.

I was only saying that in exasperation. I don't want anyone to actually crash his blog.

159 Lidane  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:23:15pm

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

I was only saying that in exasperation. I don't want anyone to actually crash his blog.

I know. I was teasing. Hence the winky face.

160 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:23:52pm

re: #135 justaminute

That is not unusual in the area. CL may know the answer to this, but it seems to be part of Muslim law to offer money to the family in place of prosecution. I also wondered at the almost relative calm after this on the part of the Afghan's. I expected much more, especially coming on top of the Koran burning. Even my husband was surprised. It's puzzling.

They STILL need to hold a fair trial.

161 docproto48  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:23:59pm

What is going on in this country right now smacks of ethnic cleansing, the heck with hate crimes lets charge them with crimes against humanity.
countries get invaded by coalitions of other countries for that too

162 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:24:26pm

And from the formerly funny 'buzzsawmonkey' we have racist gem from today:

buzzsawmonkey
March 25, 2012 at 1:42 pm | #68
Reply | Quote

I’m tired of cakewalking minstrel men—Barack Obama, Eric Holder, Al Sharpton, Spike Lee, Ben “Envious” Jealous, the Black Pussies, etc.—trying to convince people that an individual ugly incident is in any way indicative of race relations in this country.

Unless dey’s kissin’ de ass ob Big White Massa Bill “Race War” Ayers, they should have more self-respect than to promote this nonsense.

Nothing racist here, no sireebob!

/dripping

163 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:25:12pm

The idea that people are justifying the killing of a random person walking down the street based on how they perceived he lived his life should be a chilling example of how fucked up our society is right now.

164 Shvaughn  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:25:13pm

re: #154 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

This is all very sad, but so is the current glorification of "hoodies" (and I quote you for obvious reason) as a style as opposed to a convenience. Most of us, including myself, probably have an article of clothing with a "hood" to be used according to the weather.

However there is a reason that there is a negative connotation and it is a very real reason. This, along with pants below the ass, has become a signature dress for ex cons, punks, drug dealers and hoodlums, of any race.

That it should now become a signature dress for a tragic miscarriage of justice (if that is what it becomes) is in itself tragic.

Is that you, Geraldo?

165 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:25:49pm

re: #163 Kragar

The idea that people are justifying the killing of a random person walking down the street based on how they perceived he lived his life should be a chilling idea of how fucked up our society is right now.

Do you know how many suburban mothers have tattoos?

(I'm surprised they haven't make it terminally uncool yet.)

166 Shvaughn  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:26:42pm

re: #162 Dark_Falcon

And from the formerly funny 'buzzsawmonkey' we have racist gem from today:

Nothing racist here, no sireebob!

/dripping

I'm just amazed they managed to fit Bill Ayers in that too.

167 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:26:48pm

James Cameron is right now, as we read, tooling around at 35,756 feet below sea level.

Just thought I would mention.

168 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:27:11pm

re: #165 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Do you know how many suburban mothers have tattoos?

(I'm surprised they haven't make it terminally uncool yet.)

Obviously a wanton harlot.

169 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:27:18pm

re: #164 Shvaughn

Is that you, Geraldo?

Don't be an ass.

170 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:27:37pm

re: #167 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

James Cameron is right now, as we read, tooling around at 35,756 feet below sea level.

Just thought I would mention.

Neat trick. But I don't consider it a success until he's back on the surface. Too much that could still go wrong.

171 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:27:40pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

$50,000? Is that what a human life is going for these days?

If yer not white and not Murrcan.

172 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:27:41pm

re: #164 Shvaughn

Is that you, Geraldo?

No, but it is a valid point, made the way Tang did. Lots of criminals wear hoodies to hide their faces. As such they are often eyed with suspicion. That doesn't justify Zimmerman, though, not at all.

BBL

173 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:28:13pm

Tattoos + free birth control - SUPER SLUTWHOREDOG.

(where's her web site?)

174 abolitionist  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:28:25pm

re: #167 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

James Cameron is right now, as we read, tooling around at 35,756 feet below sea level.

Just thought I would mention.

Hey, that's really deep, man.

175 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:29:57pm

re: #170 Targetpractice

Neat trick. But I don't consider it a success until he's back on the surface. Too much that could still go wrong.

I'd say it's more than a trick even if something goes wrong. But I'm wondering what he is seeing, as we speak.

176 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:30:07pm

re: #156 Kronocide

The building meme: 17 yr old kid had tattoos, smoked weed, may have been a drug dealer, was suspended from school, probably not a good kid.

So he deserved to get shot.

Vile.

Because Zimmerman had telepathic powers and divined these traits when he stalked Trayvon.

These people are more than dumb, they're moral cowards who will cling to post-hoc justification...they lack the imagination and empathy to imagine how contextually this shooting is wrong.

I keep saying it, but it's a different ontology than the rest of society. Truth emanates from authority and affiliation, and morality is always weighted by the same traits.

Justice, too, is weighted by tribal markers.

177 Shvaughn  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:31:25pm

re: #165 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Do you know how many suburban mothers have tattoos?

(I'm surprised they haven't make it terminally uncool yet.)

It's kind of amazing that the murder-apologists are trying to make a case against Trayvon because he has a tattoo of his mom's name. I mean really WTF.

178 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:33:13pm

re: #175 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

I'd say it's more than a trick even if something goes wrong. But I'm wondering what he is seeing, as we speak.

If the last trip down there is anything to go by, a lot of muck and some weird bottom-dwelling creatures.

If that's all he wanted to see, he could have just gone to Congress.

179 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:33:48pm

re: #177 Shvaughn

It's kind of amazing that the murder-apologists are trying to make a case against Trayvon because he has a tattoo of his mom's name. I mean really WTF.

Soooo-here's my question.

A neighbor down the street has tattoos (I can see them in the summer when she wears capris). She sometimes wears hoodies as well. I'm pretty sure she has candy in her house or possibly SUV.

Should I get my piece out and stalk her?

180 Shvaughn  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:34:56pm

re: #179 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Sooo-here's my question.

A neighbor down the street has tattoos (I can see them in the summer when she wears capris). She sometimes wears hoodies as well. I'm pretty sure she has candy in her house or possibly SUV.

Should I get my piece out and stalk her?

Is she black? If not, can you use photoshop to darken one of her pictures?

//

181 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:35:29pm

re: #180 Shvaughn

Is she black? If not, can you use photoshop to darken one of her pictures?

//

I think she gets tan. Is that good enough?

182 Kragar  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:35:43pm

re: #179 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Sooo-here's my question.

A neighbor down the street has tattoos (I can see them in the summer when she wears capris). She sometimes wears hoodies as well. I'm pretty sure she has candy in her house or possibly SUV.

Should I get my piece out and stalk her?

Yup, she is clearly asking for it and her parents hate her because she wears a hoodie.

Don't worry, the wingnut blogs will determine later she once asked a question about birth control and that made her a woman of ill repute.
///

183 Lidane  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:36:11pm

re: #165 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Do you know how many suburban mothers have tattoos?

(I'm surprised they haven't make it terminally uncool yet.)

It's hilarious that anyone considers tattoos as abnormal anymore given how many people have them. They're not that big of a deal anymore.

184 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:36:36pm

re: #182 Kragar

Yup, she is clearly asking for it and her parents hate her because she wears a hoodie.

Don't worry, the wingnut blogs will determine later she once asked a question about birth control and that made her a woman of ill repute.
///

She has four kids. Obviously she is not a virgin. Only four, so she also used birth control.

185 justaminute  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:36:44pm

re: #160 Mostly sane, most of the time.

They STILL need to hold a fair trial.

I hope so, but I don't get the feeling like THEY think it is really not going to happen. It's a topic between the Iranians I know that the quite many feel is also a sense of foreboding because the people of that area are known to carry grudges for quite a while. We may have spent trillions of dollars and lost many soldiers but the people that know the area don't feel we are leaving the region any better off then when we first went in.

186 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:37:09pm

re: #184 Mostly sane, most of the time.

She has four kids. Obviously she is not a virgin. Only four, so she also used birth control.

How do you know? Maybe she only had sex four times.

187 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:37:13pm

Riehl is implying he is 'studying' Trayvon to get to know him, so take that you racists stalking him.

188 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:37:38pm

re: #186 Learned Mother of Zion

How do you know? Maybe she only had sex four times.

I could ask, but she's kind of taller than me.

189 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:38:55pm

This is really bothering me. I find myself digging into my freezer for the Estonian vodka.

190 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:41:01pm

re: #187 Kronocide

Riehl is implying he is 'studying' Trayvon to get to know him, so take that you racists stalking him.

Coincidentally, everything he asspulls learns vaguely suggests sinister things but proves nothing. Coincidentally, his fevered imaginings sources don't echo the glowing reports of Trayvon's friends, family, and neighbors.

191 allegro  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:41:21pm

re: #184 Mostly sane, most of the time.

She has four kids. Obviously she is not a virgin. Only four, so she also used birth control.

How do you know? Do you know what her aspirin budget is?

192 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:42:20pm

re: #37 allegro

Quoted for truth!

193 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:44:38pm

re: #103 Kragar

My youngest just told me for her 9th birthday, she wants a Dr. Who sonic screwdriver.

I win!

LOL! We already knew you had her well trainded!

194 funky chicken  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:44:46pm

re: #2 freetoken

Yesterday I wrote that there must be more to this story, and I still believe that. Not that the anti-muslim element isn't there, but the planned break-in (through the rear) implies something pre-mediated, along of course with the note which shows that the perp had most likely written ahead of time. Makes me all believe there is some sort of stalking going on here.

Attractive young woman beaten to death in her own home--could well be a creepy stalker or family member. Unfortunately that's just the odds. It could be a hate crime too. Hopefully the cops figure it out.

195 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:45:49pm

re: #127 freetoken

I miss Ludwig.

196 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:47:46pm

re: #135 justaminute

That is not unusual in the area. CL may know the answer to this, but it seems to be part of Muslim law to offer money to the family in place of prosecution. I also wondered at the almost relative calm after this on the part of the Afghan's. I expected much more, especially coming on top of the Koran burning. Even my husband was surprised. It's puzzling.

It's also a custom elsewhere, called for in Army regs as a "solatium". We issued them in Korea after US/Host Nation accidents. The rules there were very cultural-specific--new bills in a white envelope, offered by gloved right hand. It was also made clear that it conveyed sympathy, and no admission of guilt.

197 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:49:02pm

re: #178 Targetpractice

The last part is funny.

198 funky chicken  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:49:05pm

re: #184 Mostly sane, most of the time.

She has four kids. Obviously she is not a virgin. Only four, so she also used birth control.

Um, or there was a health issue that prevented conception/completion of pregnancy.

Sorry, but I think that was an icky comment.

199 jaunte  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:51:36pm

Florida’s Disastrous Self-Defense Law

John F. Timoney is a former Miami police chief, Philadelphia police commissioner and deputy police commissioner in New York.
"...I pointed out at the time that even a police officer is held to account for every single bullet he or she discharges, so why should a private citizen be given more rights when it came to using deadly physical force? I also asked the bill’s sponsor, State Representative Dennis K. Baxley, to point to any case in Florida where a homeowner had been indicted or arrested as a result of “defending his castle.” He could not come up with a single one.

The only thing that is worse than a bad law is an unnecessary law. Clearly, this was the case here."

200 blueraven  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:54:58pm

re: #198 funky chicken

Um, or there was a health issue that prevented conception/completion of pregnancy.

Sorry, but I think that was an icky comment.

Get a grip. If you cant recognize the sarcasm here, you dont know this poster.

201 funky chicken  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:55:28pm

re: #154 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

This is all very sad, but so is the current glorification of "hoodies" (and I quote you for obvious reason) as a style as opposed to a convenience. Most of us, including myself, probably have an article of clothing with a "hood" to be used according to the weather.

However there is a reason that there is a negative connotation and it is a very real reason. This, along with pants below the ass, has become a signature dress for ex cons, punks, drug dealers and hoodlums, of any race.

That it should now become a signature dress for a tragic miscarriage of justice (if that is what it becomes) is in itself tragic.

Have you been to a college or high school campus lately? Everybody wears hoodies. Sorority girls, nerds, skater punks, international students, and middle age people like me who are grabbing a few pre-reqs. The "What Not to Wear" hosts may flinch in horror, but I see them everywhere, on all types of people.

202 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:55:38pm

re: #200 blueraven

Get a grip. If you cant recognize the sarcasm here, you dont know this poster.

Emmie is not a native speaker of Wingnut.

203 funky chicken  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:56:47pm

re: #200 blueraven

Get a grip. If you cant recognize the sarcasm here, you dont know this poster.

I understand the intention, I'm just uncomfortable with the content.

I'm a bit of a purist about privacy and pregnancy stuff.

204 jaunte  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 5:58:46pm

Gay Marriage Endorsement Nets Starbucks More Thanks Than Boycotts

When Starbucks announced its support for Washington state’s recently approved gay marriage law last month, the coffee giant must have known that some people would be happy and others would be angry. According to the results of competing petitions, it appears Starbucks’ announcement pleased far more people than it upset.
...
National Organization for Marriage boycott petition currently has 17,930 pledges.
...
In response to the NOM petition, Sumofus.org started a group thank you card, which currently has more than 180,000 signatures thanking the coffee giant for supporting gay marriage.

205 funky chicken  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 6:02:37pm

re: #27 justaminute

That why I have to take breaks from the Internet sometimes. I have to go out in the world and check with my husband and see if he is facing more discrimination that usual. They don't know that he is not a practicing Muslim, it's just that he looks like it and has an accent. Which the accent invariably leads to THE question, where are you from? When he says Iran now, it's always leads to the conversation about how they feel about Iran. Even if they know that he has been here for a long, long time.

And don't even mention that you son is in the military, then they get an even more deranged look in the eyes.

Or maybe it's just that we live in Oklahoma. But I don't think so. We just returned from a cruise. The friendliest people are not from the US now.

Hey, I'm in Oklahoma too. People are ... not worldly ... to be kind. But OKC has a pretty large population of Iranians. Are you in a metro area or in the country?

206 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 6:03:06pm

re: #201 funky chicken

Have you been to a college or high school campus lately? Everybody wears hoodies. Sorority girls, nerds, skater punks, international students, and middle age people like me who are grabbing a few pre-reqs. The "What Not to Wear" hosts may flinch in horror, but I see them everywhere, on all types of people.

I see them worn, here in Florida, when the temperature is in the 80's and only to fit in to a style that is not to be admired where I see it.

However it is possible that high body heat and covering unkempt hair or body odor will become an accepted style and the punk origins will dissipate into lost memory eventually, but not in my lifetime or based on my personal experience.

And please don't be crass enough to suggest that this opinion has anything at all to do with justification of the murder of a teenager.

207 kmg  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 6:13:54pm

I am curious to see who gets arrested for her murder. Maybe the murderer is a racist and maybe he's not. I look forward to reading about the arrest in full detail here at LGF.

208 Timmeh  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 6:17:03pm

re: #2 freetoken

Yesterday I wrote that there must be more to this story, and I still believe that. Not that the anti-muslim element isn't there, but the planned break-in (through the rear) implies something pre-mediated, along of course with the note which shows that the perp had most likely written ahead of time. Makes me all believe there is some sort of stalking going on here.

My thought too. I think we should be careful about jumping to conclusions until we know who the killer was. The note could indicate a hate crime, but could also be a red herring left by the killer to try and throw police off his scent.

209 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 6:22:26pm

re: #208 Timmeh

My thought too. I think we should be careful about jumping to conclusions until we know who the killer was. The note could indicate a hate crime, but could also be a red herring left by the killer to try and throw police off his scent.

Time will tell. I think it's most prudent to sit this one out quietly, for now, until more damning info comes out of the woodwork.

210 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 6:23:58pm

re: #198 funky chicken

Um, or there was a health issue that prevented conception/completion of pregnancy.

Sorry, but I think that was an icky comment.

You didn't think I was serious, though?

211 Mich-again  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 6:32:23pm

I am holding off any comments about who is to blame until the police work is done.

212 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 6:36:12pm

re: #204 jaunte

Sticking up for gays and gun owners. Heh, sometimes I wish I liked their coffee.

213 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 6:37:08pm

re: #207 kmg

I am curious to see who gets arrested for her murder. Maybe the murderer is a racist and maybe he's not. I look forward to reading about the arrest in full detail here at LGF.

Maybe he's not a "he". Just sayin'.

214 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 6:47:39pm

Bastards.

215 Mich-again  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 6:49:10pm

Will Geraldo blame it on the hijab?

216 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 6:52:48pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

Robert Spencer is getting set to blame the murder of Shaima Alawadi on a Muslim "honor killing:"

Robert Spencer @jihadwatchRS

@rezaaslan @Atlasshrugs Who kills more Muslim women than any other group on the planet? Muslim Men esp. terror supporters like Reza Aslan

Fixed that for him. What an idiot.

217 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 7:00:47pm

re: #196 Decatur Deb

It's also a custom elsewhere, called for in Army regs as a "solatium". We issued them in Korea after US/Host Nation accidents. The rules there were very cultural-specific--new bills in a white envelope, offered by gloved right hand. It was also made clear that it conveyed sympathy, and no admission of guilt.

"New bills in a white envelope, offered by gloved right hand." Where I come from that's not called a "solatium", we just call it "The Chicago Way".

/Not kidding, not at all. I wish was, though.

218 kmg  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 7:17:48pm

@213 Maybe, but odds are that it is a he.

219 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 7:44:21pm

Charles Johnson,

I first saw this story reported over at Loon Watch. I agree it is sad. Its very sad. Its downright depressing in fact. I hope the person who murdered Alawadi rots in jail for the rest of his life!

220 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 7:55:22pm

re: #147 Charles Johnson

CALIFORNIA: Hate Crime? Or was it actually an honor killing? Bare Naked Islam

Charles Johnson,

I'm not surprised really. Bare Naked Islam is one of the worst anti Muslim sites on the web. I" so glad I'm no longer a part of the "Counter Jihad" movement. I'm also really glad you saw the light and turned against them as well, before I did. Like me, I'm certain that you wish that you had never supported Spencer and Geller, and other "counter Jihadists."

By the way, you might want to put a disclaimer on many of the older stories here on Little Green Footballs. If you're going to leave the stories you posted back in the day when you where a "counter Jihadist." You don't want people to think you still think that way, if they happen to come across one of your old blog posts and they have never heard of you before.

I don't even use the same user name I use when I supported them when I leave comments on blogs now, to distance myself from my past, I'm so ashamed of some of the things I said and did.

221 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 7:59:12pm

re: #150 Lidane

The Freepers are busy flogging the "It's an honor killing false flag!" meme.

Apparently, it's also a conspiracy by CAIR, who are now killing people. Or something.

Lidane,

I'll bet they'll through CAIR into the mix as well, if they haven't already. That organization seems to be a favorite of the Sharia conspiracy theorists.

222 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 8:07:07pm

re: #16 Obdicut

I think the possibility I offered above will be accepted as the probability, for example.

The wingnuts will claim it was an honor killing, and that her husband did it and is trying to frame innocent wingnuts.

Betcha.

That's where they'll go.

It worries me that I'm starting to understand these people's thought processes.

223 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 8:10:57pm

re: #222 SanFranciscoZionist

It worries me that I'm starting to understand these people's thought processes.

Worry not, SFZ. Their thought processes are so simplistic that a child could understand them given adequate time. You're good.

224 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 8:12:41pm

re: #39 Daniel Ballard

The best things that could happen next is an arrest and a major outreach from the neighborhood.

San Diego's a good town. I hope there will be a lot of support for the family.

225 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 8:17:26pm

re: #80 blueraven

OMG...one of George Zimmerman's neighbors/defenders just said this about him on Dateline NBC

I haven't seen all the shows, but I don't believe that either Barney Fife nor Andy ever shot an unarmed teenager to death.

226 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 8:19:28pm

re: #225 SanFranciscoZionist

Heh, Barney didn't even carry a loaded gun, and kept only one bullet in his shirt pocket.

227 Majacita  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 8:20:59pm

re: #225 SanFranciscoZionist

Andy didn't carry a gun and Barney only had one bullet.

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 8:26:49pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

Robert Spencer is getting set to blame the murder of Shaima Alawadi on a Muslim "honor killing:"

[Embedded content]

Reza Aslan's a terror supporter?

I read one of his books. Didn't get that.

229 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 8:27:57pm

re: #163 Kragar

The idea that people are justifying the killing of a random person walking down the street based on how they perceived he lived his life should be a chilling example of how fucked up our society is right now.

On how they are DETERMINED to perceive he lived his life.

230 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 8:37:36pm

re: #228 SanFranciscoZionist

Reza Aslan's a terror supporter?

I read one of his books. Didn't get that.

SanFranciscoZionist,

Who here is claiming that Reza Aslan is a terrorist supporter? Charles Johnson didn't say that here. Did any one in any of the comments state that? I didn't see that?

231 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 8:41:51pm

Charles Johnson,

Thanks for linking to that Bare Naked Islam story, as disgusting and disturbing as it was, it was important. I showed it to the people behind the anti Islamophobia website Loon Watch. I told them you showed it to me, and I made sure to thank you. They maybe able to help get more people to understand just how bad anti Muslim bigotry has become.

232 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 10:53:31pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

Robert Spencer is getting set to blame the murder of Shaima Alawadi on a Muslim "honor killing:"

[Embedded content]

SanFranciscoZionist,

Is this what you were talking about? Robert Spencer is an anti Muslim bigot. He's not to be trusted.

233 Flavia  Sun, Mar 25, 2012 11:35:41pm

Hey, here's a great opportunity to bring down the debt: raffle off the chance to punish the murderer! (Yeah, I'm in a particularly bad mood tonight - still brooding about Treyvon Martin, & now this...!!)

234 budda10000  Mon, Mar 26, 2012 1:48:53pm

Take out the note and the fact that she is muslim and you may just have a domestic dispute(husband murderer) using a fake cover to try and deflect investigators away. The brutality of the attack and use of a hand held weapon suggests the two knew each other. Shit like this happens all the time in mainstream american crime. Im going with 50/50 hate crime vs spousal crime.

235 CriticalDragon1177  Mon, Mar 26, 2012 2:34:57pm

re: #234 budda10000

Take out the note and the fact that she is muslim and you may just have a domestic dispute(husband murderer) using a fake cover to try and deflect investigators away. The brutality of the attack and use of a hand held weapon suggests the two knew each other. Shit like this happens all the time in mainstream american crime. Im going with 50/50 hate crime vs spousal crime.

Budda10000,

Her two daughters don't seem to think the Husband was involved either. Most likely it was a hate crime. Even if we didn't find the note, I wouldn't assume the husband was involved based on what we know. I'm pretty certain this was a hate crime.


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Russia’s Putin Visits Syria Airbase and Orders Start of Pullout Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered the partial withdrawal of Russian troops from Syria, during an unannounced visit there on Monday. Mr Putin was met by Syrian President Bashar Assad as he arrived at the Russian Hmeimim air base, ...
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Orkestra Obsolete Play Blue Monday Using 1930s Instruments - BBC Arts More information: bbc.in New Order's Blue Monday was released on 7 March 1983, and its cutting-edge electronic groove changed pop music forever. But what would it have sounded like if it had been made 50 years earlier? In a ...
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Tune-Yards - ABC 123 (Official Video) 'ABC 123' by Tune-Yards. New album 'I can feel you creep into my private life' is released January 19th 2018: smarturl.it Director: Dear Mr QuistgaardProducer: Abi Atkinson, LS ProductionsCommissioner: Gabe Spierer, Beggars GroupExec Producer: Saskia Whinney, SomesuchDOP: Deepa KeshvalaEditor: ...
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Funding Restrictions Have Made Gun Violence Researchers Get Creative A study published Thursday concludes that a subsequent increase in gun exposure led to more accidental firearm deaths than otherwise would have occurred in the months after the school shooting. "It was the spike [in sales] itself that sort ...
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Recycling Chaos in U.S. As China Bans ‘Foreign Waste’ Like many Portland residents, Satish and Arlene Palshikar are serious recyclers. Their house is coated with recycled bluish-white paint. They recycle their rainwater, compost their food waste and carefully separate the paper and plastic they toss out. But recently, ...
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Trump Jerusalem Move: Tear Gas at Lebanon US Embassy Protest There have been violent clashes near the US embassy in Lebanon, in the latest protest against President Donald Trump's decision to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Security forces fired tear gas and water cannon to force back ...
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Trump Says He and Trudeau Disagree on Trade Deficit. U.S. Stats Seem to Be on the PM’s SideHair Furor just can't seem to catch a break these days....Despite Trump's insistence the U.S. has a trade deficit with Canada, statistics from the website of the office of the U.S. Trade Representative -- the office handling NAFTA negotiations -- ...
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Blondie - Doom or Destiny (Official Video)Blondie performing "Doom or Destiny" from the new album "Pollinator".Out Now: blondie.lnk.to Follow Blondiefacebook.cominstagram.com@BlondieOfficial vevo.ly
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Beth Hart & Joe Bonamassa - Black Coffee (Official Music Video) Official video for Black Coffee from the new Beth Hart & Joe Bonamassa album Black Coffee. Pre-order: smarturl.it BLACK COFFEE is available to pre-order on CD and vinyl. The limited CD box includes 2 coasters, a postcard and an ...
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Sparks - ‘This Town Ain’t Big Enough for Both of Us’ (Live at WFUV) wfuv.org • Follow @wfuv: ow.ly Sparks (allsparks.com) performs "This Town Ain't Big Enough For Both of Us" live in Studio A. Recorded 10.12.17. Host: Darren DeVivoAudio: Jim O'HaraCameras: Dan Tuozzoli, Kristal Ho, Monica Fafaul, Alexandra Brennan and Liz CarrEditor: ...
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