Fox News Commenters Spew Yet Another Deluge of Ugly Racist Hatred at Trayvon Martin

Bad craziness getting worse
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Yes, they’re at it again. The denizens of the comment forums on Fox News are spewing almost unbelievable amounts of racist hatred and sick violent fantasies in yet another thread: House Democrats Call Trayvon Martin Death ‘Murder,’ Racial Profiling | Fox News.

There are more than 6,000 comments for this article, and again, many of the worst ones receive numerous “likes” from other readers. Outright racial slurs like the N word appear frequently, with “creative” misspellings to sneak them past the automatic word filters. These are just a small selection.

And appearing right alongside these openly racist comments are many complaints that conservatives are unjustly accused of racism.

always suspect for criminal activity = knee grows in general…. and especially knee grows or beaners wearing hoodies

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more knee grow hysteria flames by sharpton and our dear race baiter leader obungler

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Al Sharpton : ” The race card thing is getting old, no one believes it anymore “

Mrs.Martin: “Don’t worry, we’ll help you revive it.”

LOL

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they have a better shot at reviving tray-chimp

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e……..very time I see a beaner or a knee grow in a hoodie or not I see them through crosshairs

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America, beware of n i 6 6 e r babble

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It appears this is a cover up by the media to protect the victim! The question is what motive does the media have for reporting the lies and misconstrue the facts….Well, it_helps_the_niggers_in_the white house and DOJ to disarm the white people……

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Thank you Mr.Zimmerman for taking another thug off the street

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and another thug bites the dust - My hats off to Mr Zimmerman - You can’t shine Chit - like the blks are doing with the angel known as Trayvon - HA HA HA HA HA HA

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This is really hard to believe,The NlGGERS R APE and MURDER whites every
day and none of their parents got a tax payer paid trip to
Washington…..

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JUST FILLED MY TANK WITH GAS…..$75 BUCKS…

WHO GIVESAFUCK ABOUT LIL TREEVON..
HEY, YOU, NIGGERBOYOBAMA…..GO DRILL A HOLE…THEN JUMP IN

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The BLK kid was a known trouble maker - He met his match - kudos to Mr Zimmerman

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GOTTA GO…TIME TO WIPEMYASS WITH A KORAN

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This is just another example of why negr0s are way back on the evolutionary curve and who don’t understand the concept of “Innocent until proven guilty”.

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LIL TREE-VON IS A GOOD KID……NOW

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The better part of the kid ran down the inside of his Mama’s leg.

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to anyone who may not have noticed yet: Democrats, criminally insane enemies of the USA, are trying to stir up the african community into a Race War against the USA.

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A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Good thing Zimmerman survived.

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82 YEAR OLD CUBAN WAS SHOT BY A SPADE IN QUEENS THIS WEEKEND……

WHERE IS THE RACE INVESTIGATION THERE????????

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knigggers only care about their own pooor silverback selves, they care nothing for anyother human being.. especially the king silver back zerObama…causin of odinga…the kinyan thug….

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HAHAHA..I SEE THAT IDIOT GRAYSON IS A NIGGERLOVER TOO

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THE DRUDGE REPORT.

You won’t see this story on the foxfag forum because they suck bIacks and gay 0bama all the way to the crack…

NlGGERS doing what they do best looting and stealing….

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Boy, the dems couldnt wait to tarnish and disrespect the memory of Trayvon Martin by turning this isssue into a r acial N igger issue before the investigation is complete. I guess all the N igs see a chance to make some money.

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Trayvon was a bottom feeder, good riddance.

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They “chimp out” whenever things don’t go their way, apparently…

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You America voted in a Kenyan, that put every loser Afro or Mexican in power, America and you lost and
have started a cival war you will lose MIGGer

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Rise up America and get rid of these Niggrrrs, once and for all.

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199 comments
1 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:11:21pm

But, of course, Obama was the one who "injected" racism into this whole tragedy.

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2 Lidane  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:12:02pm

I can't imagine why the GOP has problems with minorities.

What right wing racism?

3 SpaceJesus  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:15:55pm

Its like all the wingers who were banned from freep have found a home

4 Kragar  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:16:06pm

Good God Fearing American patriots there.
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5 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:20:59pm

In other words, there are seven days in a week and the sky is blue. There was a time where I was honestly surprised to see this but now it's so routine. Hell if you had a story on Fox News commentators calling out racism, that would be more shocking.

6 dragonfire1981  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:22:20pm

It's very telling to me that the commenters use the same workarounds for the N word every SINGLE TIME and the people who run the Fox News website seem to not care in the slightest.

I'm not a programming expert but I know it's very easy to add words to a word filter. Once again they use the SAME THINGS OVER AND OVER. This is not hard to pick up on.

By apparently not giving a crap, Fox News is condoning racism of the worst kind.

7 dragonfire1981  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:23:07pm

If you say something and a Fox News commenter says "dude, that's REALLY fucked up!" you know you've gone WAAAAAAY too far.

8 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:24:19pm

re: #6 dragonfire1981

It's very telling to me that the commenters use the same workarounds for the N word every SINGLE TIME and the people who run the Fox News website seem to not care in the slightest.

I'm not a programming expert but I know it's very easy to add words to a word filter. Once again they use the SAME THINGS OVER AND OVER. This is not hard to pick up on.

By apparently not giving a crap, Fox News is condoning racism of the worst kind.

The word filter is their token effort, along with occasionally banning one that outright calls for violence against elected officials or just closing the threads altogether.

Stormfront's better moderated than Fox News' comment sections are, but at least Stormfront admits out front that they're racists.

9 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:25:35pm

Any new outrageous outrages about OWS lately?

10 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:26:31pm

re: #8 Targetpractice

The word filter is their token effort, along with occasionally banning one that outright calls for violence against elected officials or just closing the threads altogether.

Stormfront's better moderated than Fox News' comment sections are, but at least Stormfront admits out front that they're racists.

What's really telling is Stormfront and FoxNews comments sections are indistinguishable from each other. I guess the only real difference is the cute attempts that some of the Fox commenters make to bypass the censor filter.

11 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:27:38pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Actually, Stormfront posts tend to be better-written.

12 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:29:11pm

This is a dead 17 year old boy.

Dead. Teenager.

How low can you sink? I could see spitting vitriol if he had say, opened fire on a room full of innocent people, but he hit a guy who was stalking him on the way home from buying a snack.

13 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:30:11pm

re: #11 Obdicut

Actually, Stormfront posts tend to be better-written.

Ouch.

14 TedStriker  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:30:21pm

re: #3 SpaceJesus

Its like all the wingers who were banned from freep have found a home

Freepers get banned for being RWNJs? I thought they only got banned for talking sense...

15 Lidane  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:30:54pm

re: #12 Mostly sane, most of the time.

This is a dead 17 year old boy.

Dead. Teenager.

They don't care. In fact, I'm starting to see a meme emerge that Zimmerman did everyone a favor, since we all supposedly know that Trayvon Martin would have ended up robbing convenience stores and being a gang thug anyway.

It's utterly vile, but the racists don't care.

16 Lidane  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:31:47pm

re: #14 talon_262

Freepers get banned for being RWNJs? I thought they only got banned for talking sense...

Yeah, this. I thought the only people who get banned from FR are the ones who get flashes of insight and reason, or who defend "RINO" types.

17 darthstar  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:32:05pm

Gotta love movie extras...have the Rob Lowe movie "Navy Seals" on right now while I work...'Iraqi guard' in a hazmat suit standing over a machine gun on a boat deck is wearing leather Oxford shoes.

Oh, and as I was on a conference call for the last hour, I had the volume off...boy, without sound this movie plays like a PG-13 rated gay porn movie...lots of face to face manly man embracing (but no kissing, of course)

18 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:33:50pm

Seems to me that Zimmerman not Martin was the thug. I have no idea how I'd react if I were stalked like that. The attacks on Martin because he had some problems in school and thus somehow deserved to be killed are disgusting.

19 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:33:53pm

re: #9 Shvaughn

Any new outrageous outrages about OWS lately?

Stabbing at the OWS camp in San Fran for the second day in a row. Something about an argument over a camera.

20 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:34:42pm

re: #15 Lidane

They don't care. In fact, I'm starting to see a meme emerge that Zimmerman did everyone a favor, since we all supposedly know that Trayvon Martin would have ended up robbing convenience stores and being a gang thug anyway.

It's utterly vile, but the racists don't care.

That's been their mission since Obama weighed in, trying to make Trayvon out as practically begging to be shot. If asked, they'd probably give Zimmerman a medal for shooting this "thug."

21 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:36:33pm

re: #20 Targetpractice

That's been their mission since Obama weighed in, trying to make Trayvon out as practically begging to be shot. If asked, they'd probably give Zimmerman a medal for shooting this "thug."

Gingrich's response was the most telling- attacking Obama over saying that if he had a son, he'd look like Trevyon. Of course, Newt's been whining about Robert DeNiro's joke while at the same time having his PAC buy adspace on Limbaugh's show. He's a big fat hypocritical jerk.

22 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:37:49pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

But, of course, Obama was the one who "injected" racism into this whole tragedy.

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Not just Obama. Sharpton, Farrakhan, "the media," etc. also.

Race is a non-issue in this county until liberals, "race-baiters," and "the media" bring it up.

23 jamesfirecat  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:37:50pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Stabbing at the OWS camp in San Fran for the second day in a row. Something about an argument over a camera.

I'm sure you'll wait till all the facts are in to cast guilt in any particular direction.

24 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:38:40pm

re: #23 jamesfirecat

I'm sure you'll wait till all the facts are in to cast guilt in any particular direction.

No suspects arrested in either case.

25 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:38:42pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Stabbing at the OWS camp in San Fran for the second day in a row. Something about an argument over a camera.

Well - I can support that. Any rapes?

26 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:39:59pm

re: #25 Talking Point Detective

Well - I can support that. Any rapes?

I think OWS has been rape free for a couple weeks now. Good going!

27 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:40:08pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Stabbing at the OWS camp in San Fran for the second day in a row. Something about an argument over a camera.

Two separate events really. The camera was the first thing.

The second thing was:

A 27-year-old Occupy protester was stabbed Monday night outside the Federal Reserve Bank in San Francisco, one day after another activist was stabbed in the same spot, police and demonstrators said Tuesday.

The latest victim was stabbed once in the neck around 11:40 p.m. after a confrontation with a man who was unaffiliated with the Occupy camp, protesters said.

The stabber approached campers and began screaming about a conspiracy theory involving the World Trade Center, said Nick Shaw, 32, an Occupy protester.

Read more: [Link: www.sfgate.com...]

Crazy truther with a knife who wasn't with the group.

28 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:41:18pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

I think OWS has been rape free for a couple weeks now.

Well then, I may have to withdraw my support. I can only support them if there are rapes and stabbings.

29 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:41:36pm

At the Miami Herald they set a record for deleted comments on an article about Trayvon. Fox could too, if they were into making deletions.

30 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:42:52pm

re: #28 Talking Point Detective

Well then, I may have to withdraw my support. I can only support them if there are rapes and stabbings.

I'm sure they're be one along shortly.

31 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:44:04pm

re: #27 Shvaughn

Assault isn't uncommon in the financial district, especially at night. It borders the TL, one of the worst neighborhoods in SF proper.

32 nines09  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:44:38pm

Fox News has no class, why should the viewers/readers/ commentators?

33 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:44:57pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

I'm sure they're be one along shortly.

Now that we know Zimmerman is a Democrat, we can assume he's a part of OWS. That's at least something. /

34 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:45:01pm

re: #31 Obdicut

Assault isn't uncommon in the financial district, especially at night. It borders the TL, one of the worst neighborhoods in SF proper.

I just hope there's no graffiti.

35 freetoken  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:45:51pm

re: #29 wrenchwench

It's still all part of the bigger sweep of nutter emotions on why Zimmerman was right to kill Trayvon. Anything and everything that Trayvon ever did will be justification for Zimmerman.

36 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:47:42pm

re: #35 freetoken

It's still all part of the bigger sweep of nutter emotions on why Zimmerman was right to kill Trayvon. Anything and everything that Trayvon ever did will be justification for Zimmerman.

That Facebook picture that they've incorrectly identified as Trayvon is getting primetime coverage, now that the narrative of him is as a drugged-out, violent thug. They're putting it next to a picture of a grinning, cleaned-up Zimmerman and claiming it proof of "media misdirection."

37 Lidane  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:48:12pm

re: #35 freetoken

It's still all part of the bigger sweep of nutter emotions on why Zimmerman was right to kill Trayvon. Anything and everything that Trayvon ever did will be justification for Zimmerman.

It's insane how far people are going to try and find some sort of justification for what happened. At the time that he shot Trayvon Martin, Zimmerman didn't know anything about the kid except that he was black and walking along, minding his own business.

38 blueraven  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:49:01pm

re: #9 Shvaughn

Any new outrageous outrages about OWS lately?

Gee, thanks for bringing this up. //

39 Lidane  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:49:04pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

That Facebook picture that they've incorrectly identified as Trayvon is getting primetime coverage, now that the narrative of him is as a drugged-out, violent thug. They're putting it next to a picture of a grinning, cleaned-up Zimmerman and claiming it proof of "media misdirection."

I've seen that floating around, as if it somehow justifies the kid getting shot and killed.

What. The. FUCK.

40 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:49:26pm

re: #33 'M AFFN FUN

Now that we know Zimmerman is a Democrat, we can assume he's a part of OWS. That's at least something. /

It really bums me out what the case has turned into. Geraldo's stupid hoodie remark was bad enough but the protesters are embracing the hoodie which is just as silly. There are many things this case isn't about and clothing is near the top of the list. Too many people advancing their premeditated agendas instead of looking into what really happened and what could be done to improve the situation. The press sucked and the blogs were just as bad. Meh.

41 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:50:20pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

It really bums me out what the case has turned into. Geraldo's stupid hoodie remark was bad enough but the protesters are embracing the hoodie which is just as silly. There are many things this case isn't about and clothing is near the top of the list. Too many people advancing their premeditated agendas instead of looking into what really happened and what could be done to improve the situation. The press sucked and the blogs were just as bad. Meh.

Yes, Judge.

42 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:51:49pm

And, please tell me once again why Blacks should vote for the GOP?

YAY, I finally got to register. Absolutely love LGF!

43 Lidane  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:52:01pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Right. It's all the media's fault that this case is a clusterfuck.

It couldn't possibly be due to a shitty law and police incompetence. Nope. Not at all.

44 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:52:37pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

It really bums me out what the case has turned into. Geraldo's stupid hoodie remark was bad enough but the protesters are embracing the hoodie which is just as silly.

First, why would you characterize Geraldo's remark as "silly?"

Second, why would it be "silly" to object to the racist implications of the hoody remarks?

This false balance obsession you have causes you to overlook significant issues.

45 kirkspencer  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:52:41pm

Paraphrasing what I mentioned a few threads ago, I wonder when the fact the whole fight and shooting happened in someone's back yard will filter into awareness.

Kinda hard to believe Zimmerman was in the middle of a block, on the sidewalk running between backyards, when all he was supposedly doing was looking for a street sign.

46 jamesfirecat  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:53:08pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

It really bums me out what the case has turned into. Geraldo's stupid hoodie remark was bad enough but the protesters are embracing the hoodie which is just as silly. There are many things this case isn't about and clothing is near the top of the list. Too many people advancing their premeditated agendas instead of looking into what really happened and what could be done to improve the situation. The press sucked and the blogs were just as bad. Meh.

Many people are "embracing the hoodie" to show how out of line and silly Geraldo's comments were.

How would you like us to be making a statement on this effect other than wearing the garment in question?

47 jamesfirecat  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:53:43pm

re: #42 Patricia Kayden

And, please tell me once again why Blacks should vote for the GOP?

YAY, I finally got to register. Absolutely love LGF!

///Well if you're self hating I've got all kinds of reasons!

\\ (Non sarcasm) Welcome hatchling.

48 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:53:56pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Too many people advancing their premeditated agendas instead of looking into what really happened and what could be done to improve the situation. .

Mediate on that for a while.

49 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:54:28pm

re: #46 jamesfirecat

Many people are "embracing the hoodie" to show how out of line and silly Geraldo's comments were.

How would you like us to be making a statement on this effect other than wearing the garment in question?

I know! A boycott!

50 Lidane  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:54:35pm

re: #46 jamesfirecat

How would you like us to be making a statement on this effect other than wearing the garment in question?

How else? By having an opinion, but not doing anything with it. =P

51 blueraven  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:54:59pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

It really bums me out what the case has turned into. Geraldo's stupid hoodie remark was bad enough but the protesters are embracing the hoodie which is just as silly. There are many things this case isn't about and clothing is near the top of the list. Too many people advancing their premeditated agendas instead of looking into what really happened and what could be done to improve the situation. The press sucked and the blogs were just as bad. Meh.

People are pissed off and hurt KT. The hoodie was a symbol. Mentioned by Zimmerman in the 911 call.

I think the legal aspects of this case has been debated quite well, on this blog anyway.

52 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:55:44pm

re: #50 Lidane

How else? By having an opinion, but not doing anything with it. =P

Seems to be KT's plan for his life. I think he's opposed to OWS because they have opinions and they're willing to change the way they live (like, camping at stupid place or whatever) because of them.

Anyone activist is suspect.

53 jaunte  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:56:05pm

This afternoon's reminder from Fox of who the real victims are:
Image: Screen_shot_2012-03-27_at_5.55.11_PM.png

54 freetoken  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:56:05pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Heh, a Roman torture device became the icon of a major world religion.

One never knows how these things turn.

55 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:56:30pm

re: #42 Patricia Kayden

And, please tell me once again why Blacks should vote for the GOP?

If they were only as smart as Republicans, they'd realize that by voting for Democrats, they're voting against their own interests.

If only "the blacks" would listen to Republicans when they explain it.

56 freetoken  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:57:21pm

re: #53 jaunte

Oh yes, Treyvon is the vector for Atheistic Islamic Socialism. We all should have seen that one coming.

57 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:57:59pm

re: #53 jaunte

This afternoon's reminder from Fox of who the real victims are:
Image: Screen_shot_2012-03-27_at_5.55.11_PM.png

And the "gun-grabber" train pulls into the station, right on time as always.

58 jamesfirecat  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 3:59:20pm

re: #54 freetoken

Heh, a Roman torture device became the icon of a major world religion.

One never knows how these things turn.

And if you tilt the arms of this innocent Buddhist good luck charm the other way....

59 blueraven  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:00:10pm

re: #53 jaunte

This afternoon's reminder from Fox of who the real victims are:
Image: Screen_shot_2012-03-27_at_5.55.11_PM.png

Hannity has no soul. He is like a freaking shark with black eyes, trolling the social waters to find a dead body to use in his feeding frenzy against Obama.

spit

60 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:03:59pm

re: #39 Lidane

I've seen that floating around, as if it somehow justifies the kid getting shot and killed.

What. The. FUCK.

There's a PhD thesis here somewhere.

61 allegro  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:06:17pm

Oh Jesse... cutting through the bullshit...

A Translation Exercise

I do, however, want to give conservatives a brief lesson in translation, however. There is a set of terms commonly used to describe the response to Martin's killing and other issues involve the intersection of race and your Google News reader. When put together into roughly literate sentences, it goes something like this:...

62 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:07:06pm

By the way, as predicted, Pam Geller is calling Shaima Alawadi's death a honor killing.

Just in case you thought she wouldn't go there.

There is much more to this story. Let's make sure law enforcement fully investigates this murder. If it were LA, I would be less hopeful, as the LAPD has been completely co-opted by the Muslim Brotherhood.

Yeah okay.

And the daughter isn't sad enough about her mom's death; she's supposed to CRY MORE.

The daughter's interview is strange. No tears. Lots of theater. The girl does not seem at all upset by the death of her mom.

63 Lidane  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:11:38pm

re: #62 Shvaughn

Pam should spend more time bleating about the French gunman and less time trying to pretend she gives a shit about Shaima Alawadi's death.

64 Gus  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:14:25pm

Fox News has essentially become a hate network and network as in the sense of a hate network.

The internet as we all know can provide access to a whole slew of "good things."

The other side of this is that never before in human history has so much access to hate been available to such wide swaths of the human population.

65 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:14:31pm

Speaking of doctored pictures:

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

66 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:14:34pm

re: #62 Shvaughn

By the way, as predicted, Pam Geller is calling Shaima Alawadi's death a honor killing.

Just in case you thought she wouldn't go there.

Yeah okay.

And the daughter isn't sad enough about her mom's death; she's supposed to CRY MORE.

Is there a single shred of evidence so far that this is an honor killing?

Look, if they do start digging up evidence--odd stories, witnesses putting family members in the home at the time of the killing, etc.--I will condemn it as such. But we haven't heard anything such so far.

67 Lidane  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:16:35pm

re: #66 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Is there a single shred of evidence so far that this is an honor killing?

A Muslim woman died. What more do you need to know?

/Geller

68 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:17:27pm

re: #66 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Is there a single shred of evidence so far that this is an honor killing?

Look, if they do start digging up evidence--odd stories, witnesses putting family members in the home at the time of the killing, etc.--I will condemn it as such. But we haven't heard anything such so far.

Pam doesn't like to get bogged down with things like "evidence" and "witnesses." She knows in her bones that only one thing kills Muslim women, and that's Muslim men. Anything to the contrary is the "liberal media" at work.

69 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:17:53pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

Now I always confuse you with Lawhawk.

70 Lidane  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:19:11pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

Pam doesn't like to get bogged down with things like "evidence" and "witnesses." She knows in her bones that only one thing kills Muslim women, and that's Muslim men. Anything to the contrary is the "liberal media" at work.

Also, I think it's hilarious that she says that the LAPD has been co-opted by the Muslim Brotherhood. Where does that conspiracy theory come from?

71 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:19:46pm

re: #70 Lidane

Also, I think it's hilarious that she says that the LAPD has been co-opted by the Muslim Brotherhood. Where does that conspiracy theory come from?

The fifth glass of Chardonnay?

/

72 freetoken  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:23:11pm

re: #64 Gus

Fox network is exactly what Rupert Murdoch created it to be. He intentionally created products to cater to what he saw as an under served market in the US. He knew enough about the US to know that there were millions of people who absolutely despised the "liberal" media and would thus be open to another source of information (or disinformation - it doesn't matter if it sells advertisements.)

73 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:23:17pm
you lost and
have started a cival war

nothing but the brightest conservatives in this thread!

74 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:23:34pm

Hacker group LulzSec strikes again, exposes 171,000 military accounts
When are these dummies going to learn? I wouldn't be surprised that if in a few months we learn the whole operation was closely monitored by the Feds with the aid of another Anon who is bargaining to plea bargain his way out of jail time.

75 kirkspencer  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:24:27pm

re: #70 Lidane

Also, I think it's hilarious that she says that the LAPD has been co-opted by the Muslim Brotherhood. Where does that conspiracy theory come from?

It's from... I want to say June or so of last year. The Chief of the LAPD was testifying in one of Rep King (R-Crazy)'s anti-Islam 'hearings' and said that the Muslim Brotherhood wasn't a universal organization and the US group wasn't the same organization as founded by al-Bana.

Which automatically made him a traitor and an MB sympathizer/agent.

76 Gus  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:25:43pm

re: #72 freetoken

Fox network is exactly what Rupert Murdoch created it to be. He intentionally created products to cater to what he saw as an under served market in the US. He knew enough about the US to know that there were millions of people who absolutely despised the "liberal" media and would thus be open to another source of information (or disinformation - it doesn't matter if it sells advertisements.)

A recruitment tool. Educating a voter base.

77 Decatur Deb  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:26:31pm

Ripped from Memorandum:

Compare and contrast:

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

78 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:26:41pm

re: #59 blueraven

Hannity has no soul. He is like a freaking shark with black eyes, trolling the social waters to find a dead body to use in his feeding frenzy against Obama.

spit

He's VERY American

Manipulate everyone you can, grab as much money as you can


All thinking people in America should be aware that they are living in a country hostile to intelligence and critical thought, and act accordingly

79 JAFO  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:26:55pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Stabbing at the OWS camp in San Fran for the second day in a row. Something about an argument over a camera.

uh huh,

...after a confrontation with a man who was unaffiliated with the Occupy camp, protesters said.

The stabber approached campers and began screaming about a conspiracy theory involving the World Trade Center.

80 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:26:56pm

re: #76 Gus

A recruitment tool. Educating a voter base.

A particularly successful tool so far. Between them and Rush, the wingnuts of America haven't had to think for themselves in a long while.

81 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:28:01pm

re: #72 freetoken

There's a really hilarious and sad Stephen and Fry bit, where it's a "It's A Wonderful Life" skit with Rupert Murdoch, only they show him how much better the world would be without his influence. It's really funny-- everywhere they take him, his response is just that he wants to start up again, he's actually happy at the idea of getting to sink to the depths all over again.

82 Kragar  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:28:22pm

re: #73 windupbird is in the gravity well

nothing but the brightest conservatives in this thread!

I've got the music ready for the next Civil War...

Youtube Video
83 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:28:46pm

re: #77 Decatur Deb

Ripped from Memorandum:

Compare and contrast:

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

Cue the whines of "If he hadn't used that gun, he'd be dead! You can't arrest him for defending himself!"

84 freetoken  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:29:05pm

Not completely off-topic... and dragging up some topics I mentioned downstairs:

Ever wonder how a previously unknown (to the public) aging nuclear physicist, whose primary job these past couple of decades has been churning out graduate students, can suddenly have opinion pieces of his featured in the world's supposedly leading business paper, about a field which is not his speciality?

Well?

The answer to that is the same one to this:

Ever wonder how it came to be that in 2012 a leading news outlet would give a platform for thousands of ugly and racist comments, something which the leading newspapers and televisions networks would shun previously?

The answer is this: Because it makes Rupert Murdoch lots of money.

85 Gus  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:30:22pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

A particularly successful tool so far. Between them and Rush, the wingnuts of America haven't had to think for themselves in a long while.

We're maintaining a war-like culture. They're maintaining.

86 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:30:27pm

re: #84 freetoken

Heh. Found the skit:

Youtube Video
87 Decatur Deb  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:31:18pm

re: #83 Targetpractice

Cue the whines of "If he hadn't used that gun, he'd be dead! You can't arrest him for defending himself!"

Lot of moving parts in that one, questions with no good answers.

88 blueraven  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:32:13pm

re: #78 windupbird is in the gravity well

He's VERY American

Manipulate everyone you can, grab as much money as you can

All thinking people in America should be aware that they are living in a country hostile to intelligence and critical thought, and act accordingly

I don't believe that. I know there are a lot of people like that, but I dont think it is typical American behavior.

89 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:36:01pm

re: #86 Obdicut

Please note: In this satire, Fry and Laurie push Rupert Murdoch off a bridge. It is satire, and in no way a wish to actually kill Rubert Murdoch by Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie.

Or for myself, for that matter.

I never wish someone hadn't been born, just that they'd made different decisions along the road. I'm a bit hippy that way.

90 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:36:06pm

re: #86 Obdicut

Are you familiar with this case? Or other self defense cases that the Supreme court has taken?

U.S. Supreme Court
Brown v. United States, 256 U.S. 335 (1921)
Brown v. United States
No. 103
Argued November 19, 1920
Decided May 16, 1921
256 U.S. 335

91 Kragar  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:36:59pm

High school expels student for tweeting f-word

An Indiana high school expels a student for a silly, profane tweet, even though it seems to have been sent at 2:30 a.m. The school suggests that it may track all of its students' tweets, regardless of what time or where they were sent.

92 freetoken  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:38:26pm

re: #91 Kragar

As long as the school makes sure their students don't wear hoodies, then the kids will be ok.

93 Decatur Deb  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:39:21pm

re: #91 Kragar

High school expels student for tweeting f-word

Hah. Kid just won the "My Schoolboard is Jacked" college scholarship.

94 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:39:26pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Hacker group LulzSec strikes again, exposes 171,000 military accounts
When are these dummies going to learn? I wouldn't be surprised that if in a few months we learn the whole operation was closely monitored by the Feds with the aid of another Anon who is bargaining to plea bargain his way out of jail time.

I think it's irresponsible to speculate until we have all the facts. Don't you?

95 Gus  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:40:07pm

re: #91 Kragar

High school expels student for tweeting f-word

Too much.

96 erik_t  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:40:44pm

re: #91 Kragar

High school expels student for tweeting f-word

Zero tolerance for measured and sensible reactions.

97 Kragar  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:45:44pm

I'm guessing the school administration wouldn't mind someone perusing all their twitters, seeing if anything disagreeable was ever said. Some of them might need to be suspended.

98 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:46:04pm

re: #90 Daniel Ballard

I'm not going to be able to discussion constitutional precedent. I'm nowhere near that level of knowledge.

99 Decatur Deb  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:46:19pm

re: #96 erik_t

Zero tolerance for measured and sensible reactions.

Kudos to the school system. Kid seems to have spelled the entire tweet correctly.

100 Kragar  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:47:21pm

re: #99 Decatur Deb

Kudos to the school system. Kid seems to have spelled the entire tweet correctly.

Now he'll never get a job at Breitbart.com.
/

101 Gus  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:48:10pm

re: #100 Kragar

Now he'll never get a job at Breitbart.com.
/

How dare you slam their good name? Have you no shame? No decency!!!!!

//

102 Kragar  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:49:04pm

re: #101 Gus

How dare you slam their good name? Have you no shame? No decency!!!

//

Checking... nope, I left it in my other pants.

HAHA! I DON'T EVEN WEAR PANTS!

103 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:49:15pm

This column (linked from the CNet article) seems to indicate that last year he got a suspension for tweeting "obscenities" and was told "that he should use the school-issued laptop strictly for homework assignments."

I'm betting they don't actually enforce that rule on most students, just the ones they don't like.

104 Gus  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:49:37pm

re: #102 Kragar

Checking... nope, I left it in my other pants.

HAHA! I DON'T EVEN WEAR PANTS!

Just Speedos? Yeah. I'm like that myself.

//

105 blueraven  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:50:53pm

Oh brother, Rand Paul letter via National Review in my inbox...sign the petition to bypass Roe v. Wade!

Dear Friend,

For 39 years, nine unelected men and women on the Supreme Court have played God with innocent human life.

They have invented laws that condemned to painful deaths without trial more than 56 million babies for the crime of being "inconvenient."

In 1973, the U.S. Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade ruling forced abortion-on-demand down our nation's throat.

In the past, many in the pro-life movement have felt limited to protecting a life here and there -- passing some limited law to slightly control abortion in the more outrageous cases.

But some pro-lifers always seem to tiptoe around the Supreme Court, hoping they won't be offended.

Now the time to grovel before the Supreme Court is over.

Working from what the Supreme Court ruled in Roe v. Wade, pro-life lawmakers can pass a Life at Conception Act and end abortion using the Constitution instead of amending it.

That is why it's so urgent you sign the petition to your Senators and Congressman that I will link to in a moment.

You see, while the national media has talked a lot about the impact of economic issues on this past election, the untold story is just how well pro-life candidates did.

So it is vital every Member of Congress be put on record.

And your petition will help do just that.

Signing the Life at Conception Act petition will help break through the opposition clinging to abortion-on-demand and get a vote on this life-saving bill to overturn Roe v. Wade.

A Life at Conception Act declares unborn children "persons" as defined by the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, entitled to legal protection.

This is the one thing the Supreme Court admitted in Roe v. Wade that would cause the case for legal abortion to "collapse."

When the Supreme Court handed down its now-infamous Roe v. Wade decision, it did so based on a new, previously undefined "right of privacy" which it "discovered" in so-called "emanations" of "penumbrae" of the Constitution.

Of course, as constitutional law it was a disaster.

But never once did the Supreme Court declare abortion itself to be a constitutional right.

Instead the Supreme Court said:

"We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins . . . the judiciary at this point in the development of man's knowledge is not in a position to speculate as to the answer."

Then the High Court made a key admission:

"If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant's case [i.e., "Roe" who sought an abortion], of course, collapses, for the fetus' right to life is then guaranteed specifically by the [14th] Amendment."
The fact is, the 14th Amendment couldn't be clearer:

". . . nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law, nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the law."

Furthermore, the 14th Amendment says:

"Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."

That's exactly what a Life at Conception Act would do.

Focused like a laser on jobs. //

106 Decatur Deb  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:51:33pm

re: #103 Shvaughn

This column (linked from the CNet article) seems to indicate that last year he got a suspension for tweeting "obscenities" and was told "that he should use the school-issued laptop strictly for homework assignments."

I'm betting they don't actually enforce that rule on most students, just the ones they don't like.

Reflects the Pennsylvania? case of a year or so ago, when a school-issued laptop 'accidentally' peeped on the girl's bedroom.

107 Gus  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:52:06pm

Military Blocks Atheist Efforts to Feed Homeless

FORT BRAGG, NC – Commanders at the military base have decided not to allow atheists to collect food for local homeless veterans. The organizers of the upcoming ‘Rock Beyond Belief’ atheist festival expressed their desires to Fort Bragg, but lawyers cited regulations in their denial. Months of appeals and discussion ultimately went nowhere, but organizers believe they have a work-around solution...

Oh yeah. I'm sure the Confederates will be crying out "NANNY STATE!" over this. Mayor Bloomberg and all that. Derp!

108 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:54:48pm

re: #105 blueraven

Oh brother, Rand Paul letter via National Review in my inbox...sign the petition to bypass Roe v. Wade!

Focused like a laser on jobs. //

You'd see a flotilla of legal challenges lodged against that within a week. If you wanted a better example of why a separation of church and state is needed, that would be it.

109 b_sharp  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:55:02pm

re: #3 SpaceJesus

Its like all the wingers who were banned from freep have found a home

The ones banned from FR were the sane ones.

110 Gus  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:55:08pm

America. Relegating some of its citizens to 3rd class status since 1776.

111 jaunte  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:55:08pm

re: #105 blueraven

Now the time to grovel before the Supreme Court is over.

(?!)

112 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:55:52pm

re: #107 Gus

Military Blocks Atheist Efforts to Feed Homeless

Oh yeah. I'm sure the Confederates will be crying out "NANNY STATE!" over this. Mayor Bloomberg and all that. Derp!

I'm not sure I understand what's going on in that press release. They don't really explain the issue with the military's regulations, or how a "membership drive" (huh?) relates to collecting food for the homeless.

113 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:56:58pm

re: #98 Obdicut

I'll share this resource with you. It's something I am looking over for my own study, after a chat with yet another attorney. My past study was state law based, not SCOTUS.

I pasted a couple highlights just to whet the appetite. Of course the cases each have their own implications, not all have relevance in the Trayvor Martin death. But they do show some of the implicit principles that underpin self defense laws. Principles not specifically mentioned in the text of state laws, but in fact a framework in which they operate in important ways.

[Link: www.davekopel.com...]

D. Beard v. United States: There is No Duty to Retreat Before Using Deadly Force

C. Do the Self-Defense Cases Have Any Modern Application?

Today, "federal common law is an important part of our tradition of case-by- case adjudication, allowing the judiciary to resolve unforeseen issues fairly; federal common law shows no sign of diminishing in importance." [FN345] Thus, The Self-Defense Cases, like any other Supreme Court interpretations of the common law, remain available as persuasive, if not necessarily binding, precedents for any court which must consider common law self-defense issues.

114 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:57:20pm

re: #94 Shvaughn

I think it's irresponsible to speculate until we have all the facts. Don't you?

I like this one. I say we keep her.

115 Decatur Deb  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:57:46pm

re: #112 Shvaughn

I'm not sure I understand what's going on in that press release. They don't really explain the issue with the military's regulations, or how a "membership drive" (huh?) relates to collecting food for the homeless.

Way too little info. DoD is very shy about any activities that might involve the family housing areas.

116 blueraven  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:57:52pm

re: #108 Targetpractice

You'd see a flotilla of legal challenges lodged against that within a week. If you wanted a better example of why a separation of church and state is needed, that would be it.

The person-hood bill couldn't even pass in Mississippi!

117 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:58:09pm

This is really funny in an abstract sort of way:

@sheboyganscan is a tireless effort to transcribe to Twitter the things that come over the Sheboygan, Wisconsin police scanner. Thanks to the brave soul handling this project day in and day out, and an especially big thanks to the residents of Sheboygan, who appear to live in an almost cartoonish alternate reality.

118 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:59:29pm

re: #113 Daniel Ballard

I'm sorry, I don't know what you're trying to prove with these. Is it that the Supreme Court have ruled that there's no duty to retreat or use proportional force?

119 erik_t  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:59:41pm

re: #117 Obdicut

an especially big thanks to the residents of Sheboygan, who appear to live in an almost cartoonish alternate reality.

Say 'Sheboygan' out loud and wonder why that might be.

/:P

120 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:59:57pm

re: #116 blueraven

The person-hood bill couldn't even pass in Mississippi!

The petition's pointless, as all but the diehard "pro-lifers" in Congress would be willing to throw away their careers on proposing such a joke. Aqua Buddha's in no danger, he's got the "R" after his name in Kentucky. But anybody outside the Confederacy would be committing political suicide by signing onto such a bill.

121 Gus  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:01:47pm

re: #112 Shvaughn

I'm not sure I understand what's going on in that press release. They don't really explain the issue with the military's regulations, or how a "membership drive" (huh?) relates to collecting food for the homeless.

Guess they're just trying to make a stink out of some stupid regulation.

122 Interesting Times  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:02:11pm

Speaking of regulations...

123 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:02:16pm

re: #108 Targetpractice

You said earlier I need to prove some of the principles I have been alluding to in the SYG legal factors. Looks like I have to start at SCOTUS, I shared one link above. So anyway I'm gathering that info as I can. Some of what I was alluding to or asserting can be found in SCOTUS self defense rulings from quite some time ago. 1895, 1921.

I hope to have more hard data after more research.

124 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:02:38pm

re: #121 Gus

Guess they're just trying to make a stink out of some stupid regulation.

Yeah, but I just wish they had explained what the regulation was.

125 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:03:14pm

re: #123 Daniel Ballard

You said earlier I need to prove some of the principles I have been alluding to in the SYG legal factors. Looks like I have to start at SCOTUS, I shared one link above. So anyway I'm gathering that info as I can. Some of what I was alluding to or asserting can be found in SCOTUS self defense rulings from quite some time ago. 1895, 1921.

I hope to have more hard data after more research.

*coughs* You responded to the wrong guy.

126 Lidane  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:03:18pm

re: #105 blueraven

On that note, the GOP war on women's rights continues:

Anti-Abortion Lawmakers Advance Poorly Conceived ‘Arrest Grandma’ Bill

A bill that advanced past the House Judiciary Committee today aims to make it illegal for anyone who is not a pregnant teen's parent to transport her across state lines for the purposes of obtaining an abortion with no exceptions for rape, incest, or threats to a girl's health. Opponents of the measure are calling it the "Arrest Grandma" Act, but it could just as easily be called "Arrest The Terrified But Supportive Boy Who Knocked You Up" Act. No matter how you swing it, it sucks.

The bill, sponsored by Florida Republican Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, is officially known as the Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act, and, in the words of Rep. Ros-Lehtinen, it aims to enshrine the rights of parents to be "involved in their children's lives." Even if that statement weren't a blatant lie, it'd would be laughably impractical. In almost every circumstance, a teen who is pregnant became that way during a moment that her parents were not involved in her life. And teens estranged enough from their parents that they fear to seek their help in obtaining an abortion cannot have their damaged parent-child relationship restored with legislation.

127 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:04:07pm

re: #119 erik_t

Check this one out.

Image: 10.png

Or this one, probably the best of the lot:

Image: 18.png

128 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:05:09pm

re: #126 Lidane

On that note, the GOP war on women's rights continues:

Anti-Abortion Lawmakers Advance Poorly Conceived ‘Arrest Grandma’ Bill

These are horrible people.

129 erik_t  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:05:20pm

re: #127 Obdicut

Having spent some time in Sheboygan, all I can do is shake my head.

130 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:05:32pm

re: #123 Daniel Ballard

Listen, figuring out constitutional precedent by hand seems tricky. If there were an absolutely binding supreme court decision over state laws, then all state laws would follow one patter, I'd think, right? But instead, we have a mix, which seems to indicate there'd be constitutional coverage for that variety.

131 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:05:43pm

re: #126 Lidane

On that note, the GOP war on women's rights continues:

Anti-Abortion Lawmakers Advance Poorly Conceived ‘Arrest Grandma’ Bill

They'd be better off honestly saying the reason they don't want to exclude parents is because it might make the rich folks taking their knocked up daughters to states that haven't outlawed abortions yet get angry.

132 Gus  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:06:41pm

re: #124 Shvaughn

Yeah, but I just wish they had explained what the regulation was.

I dunno.

133 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:06:44pm

Gus (and others), I haven't heard back yet from the second email address at NYC's Department of Education, so I am assuming my answer (if any) about R0911 will come tomorrow. They might not let me have the RFP at all, since I'm not a vendor, just a curious blogger type (and identified myself as such in the email).

134 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:07:22pm

re: #113 Daniel Ballard

Dave Kopel isn't a resource, he's a pro-gun advocate.

"Simply put, if not for gun control, Hitler would not have been able to murder 21 million people.[5]"

135 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:07:42pm

Fact checking some of the rumors that are circulating....
Trayvon rumors abound, but here are facts

The Trayvon Martin case has generated thousands of news stories and scores of speeches and public proclamations. Sometimes the facts get confused. Here are a few examples:

136 Decatur Deb  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:07:56pm

re: #133 Shvaughn

Gus (and others), I haven't heard back yet from the second email address at NYC's Department of Education, so I am assuming my answer (if any) about R0911 will come tomorrow. They might not let me have the RFP at all, since I'm not a vendor, just a curious blogger type (and identified myself as such in the email).

Could probably use a state variant of the Freedom of Information act, if it's worth the angst.

137 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:08:15pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

Fact checking some of the rumors that are circulating...
Trayvon rumors abound, but here are facts

I'm still waiting until we get all the facts.

138 Gus  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:08:22pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

Fact checking some of the rumors that are circulating...
Trayvon rumors abound, but here are facts

I won't know the facts unless there's a trial.

139 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:09:07pm

Things are getting memetic.

140 Gus  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:09:54pm

re: #139 Obdicut

Things are getting memetic.

Tick, tock. Tick, tock.

141 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:10:08pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

*coughs* You responded to the wrong guy.

Whoops sorry that should have been to Talking Point Detective. Long day, late nights reading up.

142 Gus  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:11:31pm

Maybe we're all a bunch of dolls in trash can on a sidewalk off some New York City street during a snow storm in 1963.

143 b_sharp  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:12:04pm

re: #139 Obdicut

Things are getting memetic.

My doctor tells me there's a pill for that.

144 Gus  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:12:47pm

re: #143 Bee#

My doctor tells me there's a pill for that.

Memetol™

145 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:13:45pm

Closer to home for me, the Pasadena (Calif.) police department is asking for an independent review of the shooting of Kendrec McDade, an unarmed black teenager, by police.

146 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:16:12pm
147 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:17:04pm

re: #138 Gus

I won't know the facts unless there's a trial.

Ok, but I've seen many of those false rumors circulating around here. most appear to be easily debunked. No interest in having an informed opinion about the case?

148 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:17:08pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

Fact checking some of the rumors that are circulating...
Trayvon rumors abound, but here are facts

A fact not on the list is that Zimmerman's the son of a retired judge with three arrests that were closed without charges, one a felony charge of assaulting a police officer that should have landed him behind bars.

149 Decatur Deb  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:17:27pm

re: #146 Victor Messina

Newbie here from Atlanta. The Trayvon Martin tragedy shows the fallacy of the NRA writing our gun laws. A young man is dead because of them.

Welcome. You've joined at the start of an interesting year.

150 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:17:37pm

I remember that episode.

151 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:17:56pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

Of course

privilege! It lets you murder people and get away with it

152 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:18:36pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

A fact not on the list is that Zimmerman's the son of a retired judge with three arrests that were closed without charges, one a felony charge of assaulting a police officer that should have landed him behind bars.

Huh. I did not know that.

153 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:20:48pm

re: #130 Obdicut

Yes, by hand is a tough way to go. But it may be all I have available to me. Next i may just get a lexis of Florida case law as per SYG and justified homicides, and cases if any where the law did not uphold a self defense claim.

BTW here is the link to what Lawhawk had to say about my Page.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Good men come to differing conclusions, which is fine. But I do not yet find my points made in the Page to be out of line from what research I have done so far.

154 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:21:33pm

re: #147 Killgore Trout

Ok, but I've seen many of those false rumors circulating around here. most appear to be easily debunked. No interest in having an informed opinion about the case?

Which of those rumors have you seen on LGF?

155 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:21:41pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

A fact not on the list is that Zimmerman's the son of a retired judge with that were closed without charges, one a felony charge of assaulting a police officer that should have landed him behind bars.

I'm not sure if those cases were "mysteriously closed". I was something about the assault on the police officer. Something about a bar fight, I think with an undercover cop. Charges were dropped. I think if you search around a bit you could find out.

156 Lidane  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:21:50pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

A fact not on the list is that Zimmerman's the son of a retired judge with three arrests that were closed without charges, one a felony charge of assaulting a police officer that should have landed him behind bars.

And his shooting of Trayvon Martin will be case #4 where he walks away without facing any consequences at all.

But of course, he's the real victim in all this, not the kid he stalked and shot.

157 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:22:12pm

My subway train calls me. See you all later!

158 Gus  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:22:28pm

re: #147 Killgore Trout

Ok, but I've seen many of those false rumors circulating around here. most appear to be easily debunked. No interest in having an informed opinion about the case?

I was already aware of half of that. Most of it I rarely touch on. Doesn't change that fact that Zimmerman went in pursuit of Martin. Nothing will change that including whatever altercation took place. A confrontation could have been avoided if Zimmerman simply stayed put until police arrived to check things out.

Minimum three years on manslaughter. Solitary confinement and away from the general population for his own safety.

Next case.

159 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:22:31pm

re: #155 Killgore Trout

I'm not sure if those cases were "mysteriously closed". I was something about the assault on the police officer. Something about a bar fight, I think with an undercover cop. Charges were dropped. I think if you search around a bit you could find out.

Newsmax probably has something about this!

//

160 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:22:48pm

re: #154 Shvaughn

Which of those rumors have you seen on LGF?

The one about the body not being released to the family. Also the quick explanation as to why Zimmerman wasn't arrested.

161 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:24:50pm

re: #159 Shvaughn

Newsmax probably has something about this!

//

That police believe that witnesses accounts support Zimmerman's story? I see that mentioned a couple times in all sorts of news articles. It pretty common knowledge.

162 Lidane  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:25:05pm

re: #159 Shvaughn

Newsmax probably has something about this!

//

Or the Daily Fail. They're reliable. =P

Hey, I know! Let's call Zimmerman an OWS member. Maybe then we'd have something resembling actual outrage out of KT about this case instead of the usual passive-aggressive bullshit.

163 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:26:43pm

re: #162 Lidane

Or the Daily Fail. They're reliable. =P

Hey, I know! Let's call Zimmerman an OWS member. Maybe then we'd have something resembling actual outrage out of KT about this case instead of the usual passive-aggressive bullshit.

I don't think KT has any actual outrage against OWS. He just uses them as a club to beat up the folks here who "support rape." When he talks about fake "outrageous outrage" he's talking about himself.

164 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:27:11pm

re: #155 Killgore Trout

I'm not sure if those cases were "mysteriously closed". I was something about the assault on the police officer. Something about a bar fight, I think with an undercover cop. Charges were dropped. I think if you search around a bit you could find out.

Seems that you're right:

In 2005, Zimmerman was accused twice of criminal misconduct and violence. Arrested at a bar near the University of Central Florida after an altercation with police, he was later charged with resisting arrest. He was not convicted but entered a pretrial diversion program, common for first-time offenders. Later that year, records show that a woman filed a petition for an injunction against Zimmerman, alleging domestic violence. He filed his own petition against the woman the next day. Injunctions were later issued against both.

165 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:27:14pm

definitely needs a caption

166 Gus  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:27:28pm

re: #163 Shvaughn

I don't think KT has any actual outrage against OWS. He just uses them as a club to beat up the folks here who "support rape." When he talks about fake "outrageous outrage" he's talking about himself.

I knew it! Sports.

//

167 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:28:22pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

The one about the body not being released to the family. Also the quick explanation as to why Zimmerman wasn't arrested.

That's a very interestingly parsed rumor they have there. The main contention -- the rumor that's been here at LGF -- is that Martin was a "John Doe" for 3 days, and that's not directly addressed by their debunking one way or another.

168 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:28:48pm

re: #165 ggt

definitely needs a caption

That...is one big cat.

169 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:29:41pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

A fact not on the list is that Zimmerman's the son of a retired judge with that were closed without charges, one a felony charge of assaulting a police officer that should have landed him behind bars.

A quick search reveals the "mystery" of the assault on the police officer...

Who is George Zimmerman, and why did he shoot Trayvon Martin?

In 2005, when he was 21, he was charged with assault on a police officer during an altercation over the arrest of one of his friends for underage drinking in a bar, but he chose a common route for first-time offenders: A pre-trial diversion that allowed him to escape a felony conviction. Such a conviction could have precluded him from having the permit that allowed him to carry the 9 mm gun used to shoot Trayvon.

Nothing mysterious and no mention that his judge father had any influence on closing the case.

170 Gus  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:30:36pm

Authoritarians always comply with the authority. Some people convinced themselves to accept particular laws like the Patriot Act lock stock and barrel (oh noz weapons talk in that context?) and think the TSA should be able to shove their hand up who knows where when you get to the airport. It's always about authority. Police, laws, military, judicial to a limited extent.

171 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:31:16pm

kitteh!

172 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:31:29pm

re: #164 Targetpractice

Seems that you're right:

Yeah, That's why I think it's important to be careful with all the rumors floating around out there.

173 Decatur Deb  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:31:41pm

Until a credibly-selected jury makes its statement, everything I've heard and read about this case remains rumor. I'll wait for the foreman's book.

174 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:32:55pm

re: #172 Killgore Trout

Yeah, That's why I think it's important to be careful with all the rumors floating around out there.

It's hard to tell what's rumor and what's truth with this case, as with most tried in the court of public opinion.

175 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:35:08pm

re: #174 Targetpractice

It's hard to tell what's rumor and what's truth with this case, as with most tried in the court of public opinion.

It really hard to tell these days. The press seems mostly interested in generating hype. A lot of the rumors come from lazy reporting but a lot of it comes from agenda driven pricks spreading lies. It's hard to tell who's who.

176 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:35:18pm

re: #165 ggt

definitely needs a caption

Don't ever get him wet!

177 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:36:21pm

re: #176 Altar Boy of Darwinism

Don't ever get him wet!

And don't feed after midnight.

/

178 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:37:19pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

It really hard to tell these days. The press seems mostly interested in generating hype. A lot of the rumors come from lazy reporting but a lot of it comes from agenda driven pricks spreading lies. It's hard to tell who's who.

Yeah, like those reports of rape at OWS locations.

179 Kragar  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:37:34pm

re: #165 ggt

definitely needs a caption

"Try new super absorbent Cat, now with bleaching action."

180 Lidane  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:38:41pm

re: #173 Decatur Deb

Until a credibly-selected jury makes its statement, everything I've heard and read about this case remains rumor. I'll wait for the foreman's book.

Unfortunately, with all the police incompetence and the shitty SYG law, there most likely won't be a trial at all. Zimmerman will end up walking away from shooting and killing a kid and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.

181 freetoken  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:39:54pm

Continuing on with my thoughts about Happer (see above and downstairs): aging scientists craving recognition ought to be doubly scrutinized.

Yet another example is Fred Hoyle. Scientific American has a new online article that covers a bit of mischief from a few decades ago:

Alien viruses from outer space and the great Archaeopteryx forgery

Worth the read for the lessons it illustrates.

182 Decatur Deb  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:40:13pm

re: #180 Lidane

Unfortunately, with all the police incompetence and the shitty SYG law, there most likely won't be a trial at all. Zimmerman will end up walking away from shooting and killing a kid and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.

Then it remains rumor, until it becomes legend. Did you hear there's a bunch of good-hearted thieves in Sherwood Forest?

183 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:40:23pm

re: #179 Kragar

"Try new super absorbent Cat, now with bleaching action."

So far, I think you're the winner.

LOL

184 Gus  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:44:47pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

It really hard to tell these days. The press seems mostly interested in generating hype. A lot of the rumors come from lazy reporting but a lot of it comes from agenda driven pricks spreading lies. It's hard to tell who's who.

However. It was because a lot of what many people would call "agenda driven pricks" that got the state to review this case and soon after the administration. It was because of the activism and the activists. If everyone stood around praying to God and country and saluting the flag waiting for "the authority" to come around they would have been waiting a very long time.

There is a natural state of volatility in this case due to the racial nature of the incident given that the victim is an oft forgot and societally vilified young black male. It is also in the deep South and a city with history during the Jim Crow era. In the end. If people didn't "act like pricks" or as some call "uppity" nothing would have happened.

185 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:45:30pm
186 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:46:40pm

I have to go thru piles of papers and look for medical records. Maybe some file drawers will have to be opened.

Pray for me, Lizards.

187 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:48:07pm

Any insights into the SCOTUS activity today?

188 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:49:24pm

re: #187 ggt

Any insights into the SCOTUS activity today?

It's still 50-50, with Roberts and Kennedy looked to be the deciding votes.

189 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:51:15pm

re: #185 Victor Messina

True, except I haven't seen the party itself take a position, or even comment on the issue. Do you means individuals who are Republicans?

190 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 5:54:45pm

re: #188 Targetpractice

It's still 50-50, with Roberts and Kennedy looked to be the deciding votes.

Yeah, I read this and got the same impression.

I've finally got past my previous belief that health care is a product like other products, yet I can't see using the insurance model as it inherently means "risk costs more", in my mind anyway.

I'll watch and wait.

191 TedStriker  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 6:12:34pm

re: #178 Shvaughn

Yeah, like those reports of rape at OWS locations.

And stabbings.

192 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 6:17:09pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

The one about the body not being released to the family. Also the quick explanation as to why Zimmerman wasn't arrested.

It was not about the release. It was about the police not informing the family for 3 days because they tagged him as John Doe without bothering to check the phone.

Immediately following the shooting, Trayvon Martin's body was transported to the morgue and was tagged as a John Doe.[59] It was identified as Trayvon after 3 days. Trayvon's family criticized the police department for not identifying their son more quickly, and for not asking neighbors if they recognized Trayvon, who had been staying with his father in the gated community.[60] David Horsey also criticized police for failing to check his cell phone to find someone he knew.[61]

And we knew all along why Zimmerman was not arrested.

So your fact-checking link brought nothing new.

193 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 6:34:27pm

re: #118 Obdicut

I'm sorry, I don't know what you're trying to prove with these. Is it that the Supreme Court have ruled that there's no duty to retreat or use proportional force?

Not proving anything, yet. I am showing you the Federal court decisions that play into self defense. It's a learning point we can indulge together if you wish. You said you could not address SCOTUS on this as you are not familiar. Well, I'm sharing a resource so we can both have a better understanding of Federal precedent.

194 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 6:35:59pm

re: #193 Daniel Ballard

Okay, well, I'm not expecting either you or I will be able to sort through Supreme Court precedence on our own. If there was some form of overriding decision, I'd really expect all states to be very close in their law.

195 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 6:56:59pm

re: #194 Obdicut

The beauty of the decisions & their public nature is that in fact we can. We can search out the decision that support our logic. Or that don't. If we choose to learn enough to do so. The lay persons view is worthwhile if not precedent setting. The lay persons view can be thought provoking. Especially on a strong blog like this one.

196 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 6:58:55pm

re: #195 Daniel Ballard

No, I'm fairly sure that you and I are not going to be able to be constitutional scholars overnight. The likelihood we'll miss very significant cases is gigantic.

197 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 7:03:53pm

re: #196 Obdicut

No, I'm fairly sure that you and I are not going to be able to be constitutional scholars overnight. The likelihood we'll miss very significant cases is gigantic.

Don't set the standard for review by ordinary people like us so high. We don't have to scholars. The law we have to live by is not so beyond our reach. We are after a specific set of decisions.

Look you were the guy saying look at case law. That's what SCOTUS is. Why flinch now? Next is Florida case law which I'm prepared to get from lexis. I have friends that are subscribers and attorneys that will indulge the effort from me. Let's see if my read was so crazy about pursuit and self defense.

198 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 7:12:34pm

re: #62 Shvaughn

By the way, as predicted, Pam Geller is calling Shaima Alawadi's death a honor killing.

Just in case you thought she wouldn't go there.

Yeah okay.

And the daughter isn't sad enough about her mom's death; she's supposed to CRY MORE.

I myself am holding an open mind on who may ultimately turn out to have killed Mrs. Alawadi. I'm not totally sold on it as a hate crime.

Pam, however, only sings one note, and will lose interest in the case tomorrow if they arrest some psycho winger.

199 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 7:16:36pm

re: #70 Lidane

Also, I think it's hilarious that she says that the LAPD has been co-opted by the Muslim Brotherhood. Where does that conspiracy theory come from?

Everyone who disagrees with Pam has been coopted by the Muslim Brotherhood. It's pretty simply to keep track of.


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