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Breitbart.com Conspiracy Theory Watch: Liberty Chick’s ‘Planted Comments’ Investigation

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When Andrew Breitbart was alive, and I’d post one of those long lists of quotes from his sites full of raving racist insanity, he knew how to respond — by accusing me of planting all of them myself. He’d repeat this claim over and over on Twitter, apparently hoping that his dim-witted followers would accept it at face value without thinking too much about it. And of course, most of them did.

In a way, it’s flattering that Breitbart seemed to think I was such an evil genius that I could do all these things at once: run LGF and post articles and comments there, write the code for the site, eat and sleep and do other human-type things, and yet still find time to post thousands and thousands of racist comments at breitbart.com and other sites every day, all with different account names and different writing styles. And then, since many of these comments also received numerous “likes,” I was presumably also clicking the “like” buttons with still more stealth accounts.

Last January, this conspiracy theory took a new turn, when breitbart.com “Investigative Writer/Researcher” Mandy Nagy (aka @Liberty_Chick on Twitter) informed me that she was preparing to rip the lid off the plot, with a devastating exposé showing exactly who was planting all these comments and why.

Here are some of @Liberty_Chick’s tweets, promising to soon reveal the results of her investigation:

When I offered to send Ms Nagy my IP address, so she could either rule me out or definitively prove my nefarious evilness, and asked her to let me know when she released her report, she responded:

Uh, OK.

But notice the date on these tweets: January 21, 2012. That’s more than two months ago. I know a lot has been happening since then, but I have to wonder … when is this devastating exposé going to appear? I was really looking forward to this BOMBSHELL EXCLUSIVE.

I mean … @Liberty_Chick couldn’t have been lying about investigating and discovering all those planted comments, could she?

It kind of makes her final tweet to me (before blocking me) rather ironic, don’t you think?

Meanwhile, all of the sickening racist comments I pointed out yesterday in this article are still visible at breitbart.com.

At least Andrew Breitbart had the sense to go ahead and delete comments like that, even as he pretended they were all planted. The heirs to his throne seem to have no problem with them at all.

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181 comments

1 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 1:55:51pm

I'll admit. I have been doing it. After work, from home, where I have had no internet access for almost a year. Man I am good.

2 darthstar  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 1:57:11pm

That Mandy has no manners.

3 samuraishake  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 1:57:21pm

You've obviously planted Liberty Chick. She's not real, just a twitter account you made to make people think there's an investigation going on. That way the real people won't bother to investigate.

4 thatthatisis  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 1:57:42pm

Maybe her investigators are still in Hawaii with Sheriff Joe's and Trump's investigators looking into the Obama birth certificate cover up. But any day now, the amazing information is coming out. Any... day..... now...... zzzzzzzzzzzz

5 Kragar  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 1:57:44pm

Aw, she never even got around to making vague accusations of pedophilia. What the hell?

6 AK-47%  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 1:57:48pm

I just hold the mouse to my forehead and think evil thoughts...

7 Iwouldprefernotto  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 1:58:54pm

Even if 100% are planted why do they allow them and keep them up?

8 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 1:58:57pm

In 95% of cases "FreedomSomethings" and "LibertyNobodies" are stupid wingnuts.

9 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 1:59:06pm

re: #3 samuraishake

You've obviously planted Liberty Chick. She's not real, just a twitter account you made to make people think there's an investigation going on. That way the real people won't bother to investigate.

My god, how deep does this go?

10 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 1:59:34pm

What, no magical ponytail insults?
These people now running his sites are boring!

11 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:00:34pm

re: #9 Obdicut

My god, how deep does this go?

It's wingnuts all the way down...

12 erik_t  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:00:54pm

re: #9 Obdicut

My god, how derp does this go?

FTFY.

13 Kragar  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:01:03pm

re: #10 Varek Raith

What, no magical ponytail insults?
These people now running his sites are boring!

I feel let down.

14 samuraishake  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:01:45pm

re: #9 Obdicut

My god, how deep does this go?

I strongly suspect that Charles infiltrated Breitbart's network of web sites long ago. He's just using them to gather names of right wingers so he can imprison them later. AS SOON AS I HAVE PROOF OF THIS I'LL SEND IT TO PAM GELLAR!

15 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:02:42pm

Looks like Betty Bowers, America's best Christian, is stumping for the GOP.

16 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:03:57pm

Come on Charles, be honest, you split personality is Tyler Durden, right?

//

17 Kragar  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:04:36pm

Actually, Andrew Breitbart is alive and well. Charles is a sock puppet for Andrew, so he can plant comments as his own site to show how liberals will try to attack him. I discovered all this by examining the artifacts in JPEGs of Breitbart after his death.

And he almost got away with it too.
/

18 Kragar  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:05:56pm

re: #16 Targetpractice

Come on Charles, be honest, you split personality is Tyler Durden, right?

//

Now, what was Edward Norton's character named?

19 dragonfire1981  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:06:00pm

EXCLUSIVE BOMBSHELL! - Charles Johnson of LGF masters the art of Human cloning, dispatches ponytailed army to attack right wing sites!

20 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:07:19pm

re: #18 Kragar

Now, what was Edward Norton's character named?

Believe it or not, he didn't have one. Even in the credits, he's just listed as "The Narrator."

21 Kragar  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:08:01pm

re: #20 Targetpractice

Believe it or not, he didn't have one. Even in the credits, he's just listed as "The Narrator."

Well done, sir. Most people will say it was Jack.

22 erik_t  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:08:17pm

re: #17 Kragar

Actually, Andrew Breitbart is alive and well. Charles is a sock puppet for Andrew, so he can plant comments as his own site to show how liberals will try to attack him. I discovered all this by examining the artifacts in JPEGs of Breitbart after his death.

And he almost got away with it too.
/

I can tell from the pixels Fourier aliasing.

23 samuraishake  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:09:40pm

re: #14 samuraishake

I must revise my earlier theory. After scouring the internet, I discovered that there are no pictures of Charles and Megatron together at the same time. Obviously, I'm not insinuating anything, but if you want to draw your own conclusions from that research, you're welcome to.

24 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:10:30pm

re: #23 samuraishake

The internet is a fake.

25 Kragar  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:11:10pm

re: #23 samuraishake

I must revise my earlier theory. After scouring the internet, I discovered that there are no pictures of Charles and Megatron together at the same time. Obviously, I'm not insinuating anything, but if you want to draw your own conclusions from that research, you're welcome to.

The lack of evidence is all the evidence we need!

26 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:11:13pm

re: #17 Kragar

I'm pretty sure that most of the active blogosphere is Alouette's 23453 children and grandchildren typing away in one big Zionist conspiracy!

27 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:15:28pm
28 Kragar  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:17:12pm

Scalia surprised anyone expected him to read the Bill: 'You Really Want Us To Go Through These 2,700 Pages?’


JUSTICE SCALIA: Mr. Kneedler, what happened to the Eighth Amendment? You really want us to go through these 2,700 pages? (Laughter.) And do you really expect the Court to do that? Or do you expect us to — to give this function to our law clerks? Is this not totally unrealistic? That we are going to go through this enormous bill item by item and decide each one?

Maybe Scalia should have read the bill before he brought up the Cornhusker kickback during the hearing. As Dave Weigel notes, the plan Scalia brought up — to have indefinite Medicaid coverage for Nebraska — was not in the final version of the Affordable Care Act that Congress passed.

30 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:21:14pm
31 Lidane  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:23:39pm

Drugs are bad, mmmkay?

Megabirth: Dave Mustaine Knows Obama Wasn’t Born In America

Megadeth guitarist Dave Mustaine said in an interview with a Canadian television show “The Hour” that he “has a lot of questions about him [President Obama], but certainly not where he was born. I know he was born somewhere else than America.”

32 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:24:56pm

re: #31 Lidane

Megaderp.

33 Kragar  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:25:46pm

re: #32 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Megaderp.

Derp sells, but who's buying?

Oh, the Tea Party, thats right, My bad.

34 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:25:53pm

re: #31 Lidane

Drugs are bad, mmmkay?

Megabirth: Dave Mustaine Knows Obama Wasn’t Born In America

*facepalm*

35 gummitch  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:27:22pm

Cue LibertyChick tweets: CJ is so irrelevant I never read his "blog" but did you see what he wrote about me? He's soooo immature.

36 Batman  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:29:45pm

re: #35 gummitch

Cue LibertyChick tweets: CJ is so irrelevant I never read his "blog" but did you see what he wrote about me? He's sooo immature.

I would totally prove he's behind a massive conspiracy, but who cares about that guy -- he's totes irrelevs.

37 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:32:05pm

The other day I explained to a bunch of middle schoolers that by the technical definition, I was the only one in the room who wasn't immature, because I was the only one over 18. (Yes, they had been calling each other immature.)

They were definitely not amused.

38 Kragar  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:33:31pm

re: #35 gummitch

Cue LibertyChick tweets: CJ is so irrelevant I never read his "blog" but did you see what he wrote about me? He's sooo immature.

"YOU MEAN NOTHING AND I NEVER READ YOU WHICH IS WHY MOMENTS AFTER YOU MENTION ME I FEEL THE NEED TO TELL EVERYONE YOU MEAN NOTHING AND I NEVER READ YOU!"

I question the timing.

39 EdDantes  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:38:19pm

I love a good expose': Bombshells like the one about Obama's law school years.
/devastating

40 Locker  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:38:50pm

Since she blocked you on twitter I felt it was my duty to take a swing from my currently "unblocked" twitter account. So many of these whackos seem like Lucy trying anything the can to get into Ricky's show.

41 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:42:06pm

re: #28 Kragar

Scalia surprised anyone expected him to read the Bill: 'You Really Want Us To Go Through These 2,700 Pages?’

Let's be honest, nobody really has any illusions that Scalia's anything but in the "Against" column already. The man was even pushing the damned "Broccoli" bit yesterday during arguments.

42 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:44:15pm

re: #35 gummitch

Princess: I was chasing you for three days. Only during the storm did I lose your trail, met a hunter and became his apprentice.
Bear: You were chasing me for three days?
Princess: Yes! To tell you that I don't care. Know that you are to me like ... like a grandmother, and not even my own! And I'm not going to kiss you! And I did not even think of falling in love with you. Farewell! (Goes away. Returns.) You hurt me so much that I'll have my revenge anyway! I'll prove to you that I'm totally indifferent to you! I'll die, but prove it! (Leaves.)

~ Evgeny Shvarts, "The Ordinary Miracle".

43 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:45:17pm

Here's a little clue to reality as far as comments on the internet are concerned:

Yes, the Chinese government, and some companies, seem to be paying people to comment at websites. How extensively is really not known. No, you can't 'tell' that someone is one of these people just because they disagree with you.

No, Mossad is not paying me, and Hamas is not paying Zoe Lawson (for example) to post our respective opinions about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict online. Both of us are doing so for free, in our copious spare time.

The racist comments at conservative websites were left there by real racists, not liberals trying to make Fox News look bad.

The people you don't like on progressive websites, similarly, are not being paid by the Koch Brothers to say that. No, I don't want to see that article from two years ago again.

People lie on the Internet about all kinds of shit, but oddly enough, their political opinions are not usually among the things they lie about. Sometimes they will lie about personal information to try to give their political opinion more weight, like people who claim to be black so that their conservative beliefs will carry more weight.

I'm sure there are some exceptions to some of the above, but overwhelmingly, this is how the Internet WORKS.

Also, there are many racists in America. You can deal with them by pretending they belong to a political party you don't belong to, or you can just ban their asses.

That is all.

44 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:47:50pm

"liberty chick"

what a name, lol

45 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:47:52pm

re: #43 SanFranciscoZionist

Sometimes they will lie about personal information to try to give their political opinion more weight, like people who claim to be black so that their conservative beliefs will carry more weight.

There are liberal versions of this as well, of course. I have this particular variation on my mind because there were one or two examples recently at ABL.

46 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:49:04pm

re: #44 windupbird is in the gravity well

"liberty chick"

what a name, lol

WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST IT, BIRD?!

47 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:49:32pm

re: #31 Lidane

IIRC, mustaine blew half the record label's advance on Peace Sells on cocaine

48 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:50:17pm

re: #43 SanFranciscoZionist

No, Mossad is not paying me, and Hamas is not paying Zoe Lawson (for example) to post our respective opinions about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict online. Both of us are doing so for free, in our copious spare time.

Both Mossad and Hamas are paying me to jerk around like an asshole on the internet. Not as much as I'd like, but it's something.

Also, you should really drink Pepsi. Pepsi is grand. Pepsi Pepsi Pepsi.

49 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:51:06pm

re: #46 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Why nothing, I was just about to change my name to Constitution Dude (wearing shades)

50 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:51:36pm

re: #49 windupbird is in the gravity well

Why nothing, I was just about to change my name to Constitution Dude (wearing shades)

Why do I see mustache on you?

51 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:53:29pm

re: #50 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Why do I see mustache on you?

MAKE WAY for constitution dude and his loyal sidekick, preamble chap

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:54:14pm

re: #44 windupbird is in the gravity well

"liberty chick"

what a name, lol

I wonder if she knows that one of Colbert's phrases from the opening screen is "Lad Liberty".

53 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:54:16pm

re: #51 windupbird is in the gravity well

MAKE WAY for constitution dude and his loyal sidekick, preamble chap

Sorry, you have to have monies to enter.

54 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:54:28pm

re: #51 windupbird is in the gravity well

MAKE WAY for constitution dude and his loyal sidekick, preamble chap

Where does Declaration Honco fit in?

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:54:53pm

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

There are liberal versions of this as well, of course. I have this particular variation on my mind because there were one or two examples recently at ABL.

Let's just say we're pretty sure his name isn't really Jamal.

56 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:55:21pm

re: #51 windupbird is in the gravity well

MAKE WAY for constitution dude and his loyal sidekick, preamble chap

Image: am-i-a-chap-.jpg

57 Tigger2005  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:55:53pm

I don't know if Charles' maturity level is "astounding," but it's so far above these people's, it certainly seems astounding by comparison.

58 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 3:15:40pm

US confirms it has suspended North Korea food aid plans

It must be so frustrating dealing with that regime.

59 SpaceJesus  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 3:19:16pm

How could most of them be falling for the "planted comment" defense when its them who are making those comments?

60 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 3:19:51pm

re: #59 SpaceJesus

How could most of them be falling for the "planted comment" defense when its them who are making those comments?

"I'm real, but all the others..."

61 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 3:29:19pm

re: #58 Obdicut

US confirms it has suspended North Korea food aid plans

It must be so frustrating dealing with that regime.

I don't think anyone takes them seriously. We just go through the motions and don;t really expect any progress. Kinda like the nuclear negotiations with Iran. It just about leaving the door open, nobody expects them to come in.

62 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 3:29:45pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

And Iran remains one year from a bomb, as it has for the past decade.

63 EdDantes  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 3:30:03pm

re: #58 Obdicut

US confirms it has suspended North Korea food aid plans

It must be so frustrating dealing with that regime.

Finally. The "agreed framework", in part, led to a nuclear N.K. They need to know that we are serious about containing their ambitions.

64 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 3:34:43pm

re: #63 EdDantes

They'd be a joke if they weren't causing such misery to their own people.

65 Gus  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 3:37:09pm

Right. We planted the other thousands of comments connected to most of these people as well. Uh huh.

66 EdDantes  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 3:40:07pm

re: #64 Obdicut

They'd be a joke if they weren't causing such misery to their own people.

That is the crux of the problem. We don not want Koreans to starve but if we send aid to N.K, it supports the regime. I have no idea about the likelihood of a revolution or if hungry people can influence this regime but we should not support that regime even indirectly.

67 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 3:43:56pm

re: #58 Obdicut

US confirms it has suspended North Korea food aid plans

It must be so frustrating dealing with that regime.

They have no choice now but to demand "tributes" from the outlying provinces to fight to the death for the entertainment of the elites in Pyongyang.

68 blueraven  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 3:45:54pm

All or nothing.

That has been the dominant Republican approach to Obamacare from the start, and it is the dominant Republican approach today.

...

Make no mistake: If Republicans lose in the Supreme Court, they'll need an answer. "Repeal" may excite a Republican primary electorate that doesn't need to worry about health insurance because it's overwhelmingly over 65 and happily enjoying its government-mandated and taxpayer-subsidized single-payer Medicare system. But the general-election electorate doesn't have the benefit of government medicine. It relies on the collapsing system of employer-directed care. It's frightened, and it wants answers.

"Unconstitutional" was an answer of a kind. But if the ACA is not rejected as "unconstitutional," the question will resurface: if you guys don't want this, want do you want instead?

Republicans will need a Plan B. Unfortunately, they wasted the past three years that might have developed one. If the Supreme Court doesn't rescue them from themselves, they'll be heading into this election season arguing, in effect, Our plan is to take away the government-mandated insurance of millions of people under age 65, and replace it with nothing. And we're doing this so as to better protect the government-mandated insurance of people over 65—until we begin to phase out that insurance, too, for everybody now under 55," - David Frum.

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

69 Kragar  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 3:49:38pm

Romney Laughingly Recalls Father's Layoffs

The GOP frontrunner recalled a "humorous" anecdote to Wisconsin voters in a conference call about how his father, George Romney, closed an auto factory in Michigan during his businessman years only to go to great lengths to hide this fact from voters when he ran from governor in the same state. Not only that, he suggested this gave him a closer relationship to Wisconsin, the state where George Romney shipped his factory, in his own current campaign.

Way to connect with the average voter, Richie Rich.

70 jaunte  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 3:50:06pm

re: #68 blueraven

ROMNEY: People with pre-existing conditions, as long as they have been insured before, they are going to be able to continue to have insurance.

LENO: Suppose they haven’t been insured before?

ROMNEY: Well, if they are 45 years old and they show up and say I want insurance because I have heart disease, it’s like, ‘Hey guys. We can’t play the game like that. You’ve got to get insurance when you are well and then if you get ill, you are going to be covered.

If not, you're s.o.l.

71 Kragar  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 3:51:42pm

re: #70 jaunte

If not, you're s.o.l.

Life is a pre-exisiting condition.

72 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 3:54:44pm

re: #71 Kragar

Life is a pre-exisiting condition.

One that is invariably fatal.

73 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 3:55:34pm

Damn. Planted a dozen lousy peppers, and I'm three conspiracy theories behind.

74 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 3:56:08pm

re: #72 Bubblehead II

One that is invariably fatal.

Hey, are you a doctor?!? You can't give me a diagnosis like that!!!

75 blueraven  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 3:56:27pm

re: #70 jaunte

If not, you're s.o.l.

They have really boxed themselves in on health-care.
They have railed against the "conservative" market based plan that is Obamacare/Romneycare

What are they left with? Worse - what are we left with?

76 Gus  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 3:56:53pm

Holy shit. Looking at the police surveillance tape from the night of Trayvon's murder. Zimmerman doesn't even have a scratch.

77 EdDantes  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 3:57:01pm

re: #71 Kragar

Life is a pre-exisiting condition.

Life is a horrible thing.

78 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 3:57:13pm

re: #73 Decatur Deb

Damn. Planted a dozen lousy peppers, and I'm three conspiracy theories behind.

All the same kind?

79 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 3:57:40pm

re: #69 Kragar

Romney Laughingly Recalls Father's Layoffs

Way to connect with the average voter, Richie Rich.

Derp.

80 Gus  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 3:57:55pm

Watch here.

George Zimmerman on Police Surveillance
Tapes show neighborhood watchman on night of Trayvon Martin killing.

81 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 3:58:36pm

re: #74 wrenchwench

Hey, are you a doctor?!? You can't give me a diagnosis like that!!!

Sure I can. That will $50.00 please

82 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:00:35pm

re: #78 wrenchwench

All the same kind?

The peppers are all the same kind. Conspiracy theories are harder to categorize.

83 Kragar  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:00:45pm

Breaking News:

Newt Gingrich presidential campaign set to have guest appearance on "The Walking Dead."

84 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:01:00pm

re: #80 Freedom Patriot Dude Blog Warrior Chicken Farmer

Well, if that is him the night of the murder, yeah, I don't see any cuts on the back of his head that are at all severe. Is it possible that's from his previous run-in with the cops, though?

85 EdDantes  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:01:50pm

re: #83 Kragar

Dead Man Walking

86 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:01:52pm

re: #80 Freedom Patriot Dude Blog Warrior Chicken Farmer

WTF? If he wasn't arrested, why the hell is he cuffed?

*edited for spelling (pimf)

87 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:02:56pm

re: #86 Bubblehead II

He was detained for a few hours. Technically, under this law I don't think they had the right to.

88 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:03:14pm

re: #86 Bubblehead II

WTF. I he wasn't arrested, why the hell is he cuffed?

Officer safety. Bear in mind that the dude had just killed somebody.

89 blueraven  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:05:21pm

re: #80 Freedom Patriot Dude Blog Warrior Chicken Farmer

Watch here.

George Zimmerman on Police Surveillance
Tapes show neighborhood watchman on night of Trayvon Martin killing.

He sure doesn't appear injured so badly that he had to shoot the other fella.

90 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:05:46pm

re: #87 Obdicut

He was detained for a few hours. Technically, under this law I don't think they had the right to.

I watch Cops. Some juridictions cuff even at a traffic stop, while telling the driver they are not under arrest. Can I charge $50 legal advice?

91 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:06:07pm

re: #87 Obdicut

He was detained for a few hours. Technically, under this law I don't think they had the right to.

It's a tricky thing, technically yes, you're arrested when your freedom of movement has been taken away. That's the etymological root of the word arrest, to stop. However in practice it's often up to the person to determine that they've been constructively arrested by asserting their rights, especially to remain silent. Police use this wiggle room whenever it suits their purposes.

92 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:07:06pm

re: #91 goddamnedfrank

The law makes it clear they're not even allowed to detain the guy. Heh. Be funny if Zimmerman sued them for doing that.

93 blueraven  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:07:10pm

re: #87 Obdicut

He was detained for a few hours. Technically, under this law I don't think they had the right to.

They did if there was probable cause. The lead cop seemed to think there was cause, but the states attorney said no.

94 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:07:19pm

re: #87 Obdicut

re: #88 goddamnedfrank


Understand that. Maybe it's just faulty memory, but I was under the impression that he hadn't been placed under arrest.

96 Gus  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:07:42pm

re: #89 blueraven

He sure doesn't appear injured so badly that he had to shoot the other fella.

Extremely ambulatory. No blood visible. No limping. Nothing. Looks normal. Doesn't look like someone that just walked away from a "life or death struggle" at all. You show that video to a jury and damn...

97 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:08:49pm

re: #96 Freedom Patriot Dude Blog Warrior Chicken Farmer

I should look that good at the end of the day. /

98 Lidane  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:09:06pm

re: #96 Freedom Patriot Dude Blog Warrior Chicken Farmer

Extremely ambulatory. No blood visible. No limping. Nothing. Looks normal. Doesn't look like someone that just walked away from a "life or death struggle" at all.

My thoughts exactly.

I've seen people getting cuffed after a bar fight that looked worse than that. WTF.

99 Gus  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:10:17pm

re: #97 Georgia Tech Aunt

I should look that good at the end of the day. /

Someone's pants are on fire. If he even had a broken nose. Looking more and more like the cops were cutting this guy a great deal of slack.

100 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:10:29pm

re: #95 Lidane

*sigh*

Fox Doctor Keith Ablow: Obama's Son 'Wouldn't Look Anything Like Trayvon Martin' (VIDEO)

There's such a thing as getting too literal.

That said, such a boy would have looked like Sasha or Malia. (And, since he would have followed those two, I can safely use the word boy, because he'd be about five.)

101 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:10:55pm

re: #98 Lidane

I'm not sure the news got it right. Either the booking photo we've seen all the time is wrong, or this video is, because he doesn't have hair in the video, and he does in the booking photo.

102 jaunte  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:10:56pm

re: #95 Lidane

*sigh*

Fox Doctor Keith Ablow: Obama's Son 'Wouldn't Look Anything Like Trayvon Martin' (VIDEO)

I'm sorry Doctor, this Doctor is an incurable idiot.

103 Kragar  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:11:13pm

re: #95 Lidane

*sigh*

Fox Doctor Keith Ablow: Obama's Son 'Wouldn't Look Anything Like Trayvon Martin' (VIDEO)

Thats the same magic ass goblin who claimed Newt should be irresistible to female voters because he had been married 3 times.

104 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:11:52pm

Ah, it's that the photo we keep seeing is from 2005

So the video seems more likely to be valid.

105 EdDantes  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:12:44pm

re: #102 jaunte

I'm familiar with Dr. Ablow. He does allow his personal beliefs to take precedence over his professional responsibilities.

106 blueraven  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:12:46pm

re: #101 Obdicut

I'm not sure the news got it right. Either the booking photo we've seen all the time is wrong, or this video is, because he doesn't have hair in the video, and he does in the booking photo.

I think that mug shot is from 2006

107 jaunte  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:12:49pm

re: #104 Obdicut

He looks more like the older photo (seen on some news broadcasts) in that video.

108 jaunte  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:13:14pm

re: #105 EdDantes

He seems to have found a niche.

109 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:13:44pm

re: #103 Kragar

Thats the same magic ass goblin who claimed Newt should be irresistible to female voters because he had been married 3 times.

The truly hot property among the looking-to-marry-again crowd?

Widowers.

They were married before and were usually good husbands.

(As opposed to certain presidential candidates.)

110 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:13:51pm

re: #96 Freedom Patriot Dude Blog Warrior Chicken Farmer

Extremely ambulatory. No blood visible. No limping. Nothing. Looks normal. Doesn't look like someone that just walked away from a "life or death struggle" at all. You show that video to a jury and damn...

Just finished watching that Vid again in full screen mode. Wasn't his nose supposed to bloodied/broken? Doesn't look like it to me. I also didn't see any signs of grass stains on his jacket.

111 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:13:58pm

re: #99 Gus

Someone's pants are on fire. If he even had a broken nose. Looking more and more like the cops were cutting this guy a great deal of slack.

EMTs would have decent records, they're pretty hip to courts and liability.

112 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:15:33pm

re: #92 Obdicut

The law makes it clear they're not even allowed to detain the guy. Heh. Be funny if Zimmerman sued them for doing that.

It all comes down to his voluntary cooperation. If they phrased it as a request and he agreed to it they're likely covered, even under the SYG law.

113 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:16:39pm

re: #111 Decatur Deb

A friend of mine's wife gave birth on the sidewalk the other day, and the EMTs were really freaked out-- it was their first. They didn't really know how to fill out the paperwork. They asked if they could take pictures to document stuff. Including of the placenta. It was all rather surreal, apparently.

114 jaunte  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:16:56pm

The difference between health insurance prices for women and men pre- and post-ACA:
Chart of the Day: The Affordable Care Act and Women

115 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:17:23pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

It all comes down to his voluntary cooperation. If they phrased it as a request and he agreed to it they're likely covered, even under the SYG law.

True. "Will you accompany me to the station" is one of the more useful things a cop can learn to say.

116 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:17:40pm

re: #76 Freedom Patriot Dude Blog Warrior Chicken Farmer

Holy shit. Looking at the police surveillance tape from the night of Trayvon's murder. Zimmerman doesn't even have a scratch.

I have a small request.
Change 'Chicken Farmer' to "Nerf Herder".
:)

117 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:18:30pm

re: #80 Gus

Watch here.

George Zimmerman on Police Surveillance
Tapes show neighborhood watchman on night of Trayvon Martin killing.

Son of a bitch....

118 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:19:20pm

re: #113 Obdicut

A friend of mine's wife gave birth on the sidewalk the other day, and the EMTs were really freaked out-- it was their first. They didn't really know how to fill out the paperwork. They asked if they could take pictures to document stuff. Including of the placenta. It was all rather surreal, apparently.

Gaaakkk. More than one EMT, and neither was experienced?

(Adds combat tourniquet to his toolbelt.)

119 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:20:15pm

re: #117 Varek Raith

Son of a bitch...

Perhaps we have not been provided the entire account...

120 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:20:22pm

re: #118 Decatur Deb

Yep. Luckily, one of the cops was. And another cop got really annoyed at people who were trying to crowd around, shouting, "This is obviously a private family moment folks so get your eyes outta here."

121 Gus  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:20:52pm

re: #116 Varek Raith

I have a small request.
Change 'Chicken Farmer' to "Nerf Herder".
:)

Changed it back to normal. :P

122 EdDantes  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:21:57pm

re: #113 Obdicut

A friend of mine's wife gave birth on the sidewalk the other day, and the EMTs were really freaked out-- it was their first. They didn't really know how to fill out the paperwork. They asked if they could take pictures to document stuff. Including of the placenta. It was all rather surreal, apparently.

I was present at the birth of all three of my children. Without complications it's rather natural. Women seem to know what to do

123 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:22:14pm

re: #80 Gus

Watch here.

George Zimmerman on Police Surveillance
Tapes show neighborhood watchman on night of Trayvon Martin killing.

How does that get released?

124 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:22:23pm

re: #122 EdDantes

I was present at the birth of all three of my children. Without complications it's rather natural. Women seem to know what to do

Yes, we do.

Scream like a banshee.

125 Lidane  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:22:29pm

Re-post from downstairs:

Trayvon Martin: George Zimmerman's story may not hold up to scrutiny

After seeing that video, I'd say so. For a guy who was supposedly getting his head slammed into the concrete and who supposedly had his nose broken and was in fear for his life, Zimmerman looks awfully healthy to me.

126 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:23:09pm

re: #118 Decatur Deb

Gaaakkk. More than one EMT, and neither was experienced?

(Adds combat tourniquet to his toolbelt.)

I had a Batman toolbelt too, when I was 10.

127 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:23:43pm

re: #123 Talking Point Detective

How does that get released?

He certainly doesn't appear seriously injured. One policeman does check out the back of his head but no sign of a wound or bandages from that tape.

128 Gus  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:23:58pm

re: #123 Talking Point Detective

How does that get released?

Cops would have released it. BTW, there's a capias out for GZ to be arrested from the state AG of Florida. That's still breaking or developing.

129 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:24:08pm

re: #113 Obdicut

A friend of mine's wife gave birth on the sidewalk the other day, and the EMTs were really freaked out-- it was their first. They didn't really know how to fill out the paperwork. They asked if they could take pictures to document stuff. Including of the placenta. It was all rather surreal, apparently.

Birth is a scary, alien thing to many of us.
XD.

130 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:24:29pm

re: #122 EdDantes

I was present at the birth of all three of my children. Without complications it's rather natural. Women seem to know what to do

Cool.

My wife was at the birth of both of our children.

She knew exactly what to do.

131 EdDantes  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:25:03pm

re: #124 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Yes, we do.

Scream like a banshee.

That might explain why, when I was trying to help (per child birth classes) my wife told me, " Get the fuck away from me!"

132 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:26:22pm

re: #128 Gus

Cops would have released it..

Why? That doesn't seem legit to me. Similar to how Martin's school records were leaked, and even Zimmerman's prior arrest history. People really seem to be playing games with this incident.

133 Gus  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:26:59pm

On two machines here...

From NBC News: "Per FL state attorney's office: Sanford PD have filed a capias (request to arrest) George Zimmerman on charges related to Trayvon Martin.

134 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:27:28pm

The world as we know it has been PhotoShopped.

135 Gus  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:27:49pm

re: #132 Talking Point Detective

Why? That doesn't seem legit to me. Similar to how Martin's school records were leaked, and even Zimmerman's prior arrest history. People really seem to be playing games with this incident.

I have no idea. There's the video. Watch it or don't watch it.

136 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:28:42pm

re: #132 Talking Point Detective

Why? That doesn't seem legit to me. Similar to how Martin's school records were leaked, and even Zimmerman's prior arrest history. People really seem to be playing games with this incident.

Because the Sanford PD is a clusterfuck of a mess.

137 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:29:02pm

re: #134 Bee#

The world as we know it has been PhotoShopped.

Then where is the tool that I can use to remove a few pounds from my tush?

138 abolitionist  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:30:03pm

Curiouser and curiouser.

139 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:30:13pm

re: #137 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Then where is the tool that I can use to remove a few pounds from my tush?

I'm using it. Wait your turn.

140 Kragar  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:30:14pm

re: #137 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Then where is the tool that I can use to remove a few pounds from my tush?

Belt sander?

141 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:30:20pm

re: #136 Varek Raith

It might even be the cops who wanted to arrested him 'leaking' it on purpose.

Technically, I don't think there's anything wrong with the cops releasing things like this. I'm not sure about it, but I know in some cases you can just make a request to the police and they have to fulfill it unless it actually violates someones rights in some way. They release police cam footage all the time, for example.

142 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:30:34pm

re: #137 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Since Photoshop was created by men it is carefully hidden. //

143 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:30:57pm

re: #135 Gus

I have no idea. There's the video. Watch it or don't watch it.

Bad day?

144 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:31:00pm

re: #138 abolitionist

Curiouser and curiouser.

Can I be Curiouser?

145 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:31:03pm

re: #141 Obdicut

It might even be the cops who wanted to arrested him 'leaking' it on purpose.

Technically, I don't think there's anything wrong with the cops releasing things like this. I'm not sure about it, but I know in some cases you can just make a request to the police and they have to fulfill it unless it actually violates someones rights in some way. They release police cam footage all the time, for example.

Good point.

146 abolitionist  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:31:56pm

re: #144 Bee#

Can I be Curiouser?

What's your pref --yellow or blue?

147 Gus  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:32:21pm

re: #143 Talking Point Detective

Bad day?

No. Just thought your comment was obnoxious.

148 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:32:30pm

re: #146 abolitionist

What's your pref --yellow or blue?

Green.

149 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:33:04pm

re: #146 abolitionist

What's your pref --yellow or blue?

Wingnut food: Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. had a speaking part in that film cycle.

150 jamesfirecat  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:33:36pm

re: #95 Lidane

*sigh*

Fox Doctor Keith Ablow: Obama's Son 'Wouldn't Look Anything Like Trayvon Martin' (VIDEO)

Wow, I haven't seen point missing like this since the last Republican Debate!

151 abolitionist  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:34:37pm

re: #149 Decatur Deb

Wingnut food: Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. had a speaking part in that film cycle.

Somehow, I doubt he received any pay for it.

152 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:35:29pm
153 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:35:39pm

Also no blood on the front of his shirt. I think it's pretty unlikely his nose was broken.

154 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:35:59pm

re: #132 Talking Point Detective

Why? That doesn't seem legit to me. Similar to how Martin's school records were leaked, and even Zimmerman's prior arrest history. People really seem to be playing games with this incident.

Public records vs. non-public records. School transcripts are private, arrest histories and police building surveillance cams aren't.

155 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:36:15pm

re: #151 abolitionist

Somehow, I doubt he received any pay for it.

He and Harry Belafonte thought they were being interviewed by a serious Swedish sociologist. James O'Keeffe should be jealous.

156 jamesfirecat  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:36:30pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

It all comes down to his voluntary cooperation. If they phrased it as a request and he agreed to it they're likely covered, even under the SYG law.

Would you kindly?

157 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:37:03pm

re: #152 Varek Raith

Bank Of America CEO Gets $7.5 Million Pay Package After The Bank Lost More Than Half Its Stock Value

Free Market Jesus to the Rescue!!!...
Huh???

WTF? Why didn't they FIRE HIS INCOMPETENT ASS?

158 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:37:16pm

re: #156 jamesfirecat

Would you kindly?

KEEP THAT GOLF CLUB AWAY FROM ME!!!

159 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:37:53pm

re: #154 goddamnedfrank

Public records vs. non-public records. School transcripts are private, arrest histories and police building surveillance cams aren't.

Yeah, I mean, refusing to release videos isn't something that would be good.

There's a common misconception that cops aren't allowed to release information before a trial so as not to prejudice it. It's untrue. They're not allowed to make personal comments, like saying that the guy they're charging is an asshole, but they can certainly say they feel they have a strong case, point to the evidence, etc.

The judge will instruct the jury to ignore pre-trial publicity, and the lawyers can eject jurors if they show bias.

160 Lidane  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:38:41pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

No blood on his face or the front of his shirt.
No blood or abrasions on the back of his head, at least that we can see.
He's upright and balanced on his feet, walking normally.
No dirt, grass stains, or ripped clothing, which would imply a struggle.
No obvious cuts or scratches on his arms or face.

But he was somehow in an epic fight for his life with an unarmed kid.

161 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:39:22pm

re: #147 Gus

No. Just thought your comment was obnoxious.

Heh.

Why? Did you assume some specific meaning to my question - maybe that I was saying you shouldn't have linked it or something?

162 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:39:31pm

It's an epidemic:

EXCLUSIVE: Passenger Attacks US Airways Flight Crew

....the woman complained of being scared of flying shortly before she became violent.

With all the crazy people on airplanes lately, she's right to be scared.

163 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:41:28pm

re: #162 Shiplord Kirel

It's an epidemic:

EXCLUSIVE: Passenger Attacks US Airways Flight Crew

With all the crazy people on airplanes lately, she's right to be scared.

Pump nitrous oxide in the passenger cabin before takeoff.
Problem solved.

164 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:41:47pm

re: #160 Lidane

No blood on his face or the front of his shirt.
No blood or abrasions on the back of his head, at least that we can see.
He's upright and balanced on his feet, walking normally.
No dirt, grass stains, or ripped clothing, which would imply a struggle.
No obvious cuts or scratches on his arms or face.

But he was somehow in an epic fight for his life with an unarmed kid.

I'm trying to think of possible explanations but most of them seem to be a stretch. Since he lived in the complex I suppose his wife could have brought him a change of clothes or something. I don;t know if the cops would allow that even if she did. Other than that I can't come up with anything.

165 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:42:05pm

re: #159 Obdicut

Yeah, I mean, refusing to release videos isn't something that would be good.

There's a common misconception that cops aren't allowed to release information before a trial so as not to prejudice it. It's untrue. They're not allowed to make personal comments, like saying that the guy they're charging is an asshole, but they can certainly say they feel they have a strong case, point to the evidence, etc.

The judge will instruct the jury to ignore pre-trial publicity, and the lawyers can eject jurors if they show bias.

But then sometimes they say that they can't refer to evidence that's part of an on-going investigation, which presumably would be the case w/r/t this video?

166 Kragar  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:42:17pm

re: #160 Lidane

Is it just me or are the cops not treating him like a possible murderer?

167 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:42:42pm

re: #123 Talking Point Detective

How does that get released?

Cops are leaking.

168 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:43:08pm

re: #166 Kragar

Is it just me or are the cops not treating him like a possible murderer?

Note the cops walk on one side of the parked bike, while he takes the long way around, alone.

169 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:43:09pm

re: #165 Talking Point Detective

But then sometimes they say that they can't refer to evidence that's part of an on-going investigation, which presumably would be the case w/r/t this video?

No, I really don't often hear the cops say that. They say that when it's about an internal investigation sometimes, but in general they keep the public informed about other investigations. They won't refer to it if they're still trying to catch someone, obviously.

170 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:43:36pm

re: #165 Talking Point Detective

But then sometimes they say that they can't refer to evidence that's part of an on-going investigation, which presumably would be the case w/r/t this video?

It does seem strange but it might be another leak. It's a big story and people are willing to pay big money for leaked info.

171 Lidane  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:43:40pm

re: #164 Killgore Trout

Other than that I can't come up with anything.

I can. He's obviously lying about what happened.

And no, the cops wouldn't allow you to change your clothing before taking you in. That's destroying evidence.

172 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:46:00pm

re: #165 Talking Point Detective

But then sometimes they say that they can't refer to evidence that's part of an on-going investigation, which presumably would be the case w/r/t this video?

They do that when there's a suspect still at large. Elements of a crime scene, especially murders, deliberately not released to help weed out false confessions. There's no investigatory reason in this case not to release the video.

173 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:47:14pm

re: #172 goddamnedfrank

They do that when there's a suspect still at large. Elements of a crime scene, especially murders, deliberately not released to help weed out false confessions. There's no investigatory reason in this case not to release the video.

It could taint the local jury pool. Most people in the area would likely have seen the video.

174 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:48:59pm

re: #169 Obdicut

No, I really don't often hear the cops say that. They say that when it's about an internal investigation sometimes, but in general they keep the public informed about other investigations. They won't refer to it if they're still trying to catch someone, obviously.

Yeah - OK, I guess that would explain the most frequent reason for that kind of statement.

Maybe it is totally normal - but somehow it strikes me as odd, particularly given the ridiculously high profile of this case.

175 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:49:44pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

It could taint the local jury pool. Most people in the area would likely have seen the video.

I think that cat's already out of the bag. Also, the real worry in tainting a jury pool is in them seeing stuff that's not likely to be admitted at trial.

176 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:50:25pm

Bbiab. Basic human greed has won out. I will blow $10.00 for a chance to win $500,000,000.00 in next Fridays Megamillions drawing (176,000,000 to 1 odds though).

177 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:52:49pm

re: #176 Bubblehead II

Bbiab. Basic human greed has won out. I will blow $10.00 for a chance to win $500,000,000.00 in next Fridays Megamillions drawing (176,000,000 to 1 odds though).

If you don't get a chance to get to the store, you could just burn a $10 dollar bill. More or less the same thing as buying a ticket. Good luck, though.

178 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:53:23pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

It could taint the local jury pool. Most people in the area would likely have seen the video.

Again, that's a common misconception. You can't taint the jury pool by releasing facts about the case. You can taint it in other ways, but not by saying what the cops believed happened. Otherwise there'd be no information released by the cops up until a trial. Think about it.

179 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:58:05pm

re: #178 Obdicut

Again, that's a common misconception. You can't taint the jury pool by releasing facts about the case. You can taint it in other ways, but not by saying what the cops believed happened. Otherwise there'd be no information released by the cops up until a trial. Think about it.

As I understand it, potential jurors could be eliminated for having preconceptions about guilt/innocence - even if it based on evidence that would be a part of the trial. Isn't that the case? Would they only eliminate jurors for prejudice based on inadmissible evidence?

180 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 5:00:58pm

re: #179 Talking Point Detective

As I understand it, potential jurors could be eliminated for having preconceptions about guilt/innocence - even if it based on evidence that would be a part of the trial. Isn't that the case?

Well, yes. But cops obviously don't wait before trials to release evidence. They do it all the time. They say that they found the gun and it was registered to whoever and they've arrested him. I don't get where this idea they don't release information before trials even comes from, we've all seen them doing it.

The judge instructs jurors to ignore media reports, and if they feel they can't do that they get excused, and if the prosecutor or defense attorney feels they're being deceptive they can challenge and stuff.

181 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 8:07:55am
But notice the date on these tweets: January 21, 2012. That’s more than two months ago. I know a lot has been happening since then, but I have to wonder … when is this devastating exposé going to appear? I was really looking forward to this BOMBSHELL EXCLUSIVE.

Well, there were other vital INVESTIGATION BOMBSHELL EXCLUSIVES, such as the Black professor dude who said something and Obama in 1991 or something. //


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I agree. Bans are not an option. Jurisdictions like DC will just have to deal with the fact that regulation is the path. Bans don't work. Bans are illegal and unwise. It's simple. we as a society have chosen to ...

4 days, 21 hours ago
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Romantic Heretic
Preventing Poverty Not Allowed As A Goal for Charity
The Canada Revenue Agency (Canada's equivalent of the IRS) has told OXFAM Canada that it cannot list 'preventing poverty' as a goal, only 'alleviating' it. The reason is "Relieving poverty is charitable, but preventing it is not." This is just ...

6 days, 22 hours ago
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FemNaziBitch
Safer Era Tests Wisdom of ‘Broken Windows’ Focus on Minor Crime
While the apparent chokehold fueled much of the initial public outcry, community leaders have begun asking whether focusing police officers so intently on such petty offenses makes sense in a city that is far different and far safer than ...

1 week ago
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Mentis Fugit
Frisson
Over at the quirky Riddled blog, I encountered this music video link. I have the album, but I had last listened long ago, and I had forgotten the lyrics. The lengthy, moody intro slowly drew me back thirty five years, ...

1 week, 2 days ago
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BadExampleMan
The painful futility of war
This makes me furious. These men pledged their loyalty to their country and their country betrayed them. It treated them as disposable, throwing their lives away in a war that was premised on lies, that was chosen gleefully, and that ...

1 week, 4 days ago
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 Frank says:

The Future is scary! (Yes, it sure is!)