1 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:40:39pm

Think this little thing falls into the category of "So ugly, it's cute."

2 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:44:40pm

Awwww!

3 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:45:20pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

Think this little thing falls into the category of "So ugly, it's cute."

Image: 00498622.jpg

4 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:45:59pm

Wow, dat buggah es beeg!

5 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:46:23pm

Because there is no "Baby Aardvark Walk" song!

6 jaunte  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:49:20pm

I suppose if you could take all the plates off a large armadillo it would look like that.

7 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:49:44pm

I don't find him or her cute. What's wrong with me? Doctor, will I live? :(

8 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:50:29pm

re: #7 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

I don't find him or her cute. What's wrong with me? Doctor, will I live? :(

Negative.
/

9 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:51:06pm

Not pretty, but a nice little guy. AArdvarks don't bother people at all, and they make themselves useful eating ants and termites.

10 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:52:05pm

You all can't see cute when it's right in front of you!
:)

11 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:52:36pm

re: #10 Varek Raith

You all can't see cute when it's right in front of you!
:)

AWWW!

12 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:52:57pm

re: #11 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

AWWW!

*ZZZAAAPPP*

13 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:53:16pm

re: #12 Varek Raith

*ZZZAAAPPP*

:P

14 Gus  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:53:19pm

re: #6 jaunte

I suppose if you could take all the plates off a large armadillo it would look like that.

Those are strange creatures. Part mammal and part dinosaur. Sometimes looking like bugs.

Image: armadillo.jpg

Image: pichi.jpg

15 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:53:53pm

re: #14 Gus

Those are strange creatures. Part mammal and part dinosaur. Sometimes looking like bugs.

Image: armadillo.jpg

Image: pichi.jpg

Pokemon!

16 Gus  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:55:33pm

Graphic Warning: the following presentation may include charts and graphs.

17 Gus  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:56:25pm

Oh look another update for Aurora.

18 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:57:35pm

I should mention something with the case of Trayvon Martin:


Not only that, but I get news from the horse's mouth. I was originally born in Florida. I lived in Apopka from Age 0-3, and in Debary until I was 7. Debary is roughly across the river (St. Johns River) from Sanford. My Grandparents live in Deltona, which is directly across the river from Sanford (Specifically, the part of the river known as Lake Monroe). My Uncle and his kids are still in the area too. So I remember this area from being a little one. It use to be more nature-y and more tree-y than today. I don't think I could go back there. It's all very bland cookie-cutter stuff now.

Also, I learned from Mother Jones that Sanford has a massive history of racism.

19 jaunte  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:58:45pm
20 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:00:09pm

re: #19 jaunte

Round of applause for that one.

21 freetoken  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:00:31pm

More face-palm moments from our creationist friends in Indiana:

Web letter by Christopher Geischen: Evolution denies God’s existence, mocks Christians as fools

As a member of the Concordia Lutheran High School science faculty, I wish to thank Rex Joyner for his kind words about the school’s effect on his life. That said, I must respond to some ideas he wrote in “Pastor mistaken on creationism,” which appeared March 18. Concordia’s science instruction holds to creation being true and evolution relegated only to doing small changes on living things within a very narrow range.

First, one cannot mix creationism with evolution. To do an apples-to-apples evaluation demands a creationism-to-evolution comparison or match creation alongside evolution. The former are ways of thinking and the latter are processes.

Point is, this is from a science teacher at the Lutheran H.S. ...

Second, the facts of nature are the same for both sides. The difference is the interpretation one puts on the facts. It is the worldview or philosophy of the interpreter which causes the facts to be seen as supporting creation or evolution being true. Creation interpretation will not hinder one doing any valuable-to-society science in the least. One of my former biology students, taught that creation is the better interpretation, is now an oncologist for a hospital. She stated that in her degree program evolution was not even mentioned at all. The truth is that evolution belief is only needed to become an evolutionary science teacher as it is useless to any other operational science field.

Wow, so this supposed former student of which he writes says that evolution "was not even mentioned at all" in her entire degree program? I find that hard to believe. And if she works in the oncology department of a hospital does she have a graduate degree?

Sadly, the evolution-based view says that God does not exist, the Bible is not the true word of God, and people do not rise from the dead as Jesus did that first Easter morning. Ultimately evolution says that there is no Judgment Day as the universe will end in either the big crunch or heat death, therefore a Christian’s faith is unnecessary and he is a fool for believing otherwise.

And there you have it, the whole point of being anti-evolution is that it is a direct threat to their religious beliefs. Now there are those self-declared Christians who maintain that evolution is compatible with Christianity (e.g., the Biologos crowd) but as my latest Page points out that position is a minority within the evangelical/conservative Christian community in America.

22 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:01:37pm

A very curious looking creature indeed.

23 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:03:23pm

Jesus was a zombie? Get the fook out!

24 jaunte  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:05:59pm

re: #21 freetoken

Being mocked as fools by nonbelievers shouldn't matter if they're secure in the possession of their truth.

25 Gus  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:06:28pm

re: #21 freetoken

More face-palm moments from our creationist friends in Indiana:

Web letter by Christopher Geischen: Evolution denies God’s existence, mocks Christians as fools

Point is, this is from a science teacher at the Lutheran H.S. ...

Wow, so this supposed former student of which he writes says that evolution "was not even mentioned at all" in her entire degree program? I find that hard to believe. And if she works in the oncology department of a hospital does she have a graduate degree?

And there you have it, the whole point of being anti-evolution is that it is a direct threat to their religious beliefs. Now there are those self-declared Christians who maintain that evolution is compatible with Christianity (e.g., the Biologos crowd) but as my latest Page points out that position is a minority within the evangelical/conservative Christian community in America.

The obvious. The study of evolution does not include anything about religion, Christianity, negating a belief in God, etc. I uh. Well, this is kind of like responding to some kind of neurosis.

26 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:08:54pm

re: #24 jaunte

Being mocked as fools by nonbelievers shouldn't matter if they're secure in the possession of their truth.

Still isn't prudent or polite for the nonbelievers to do.

27 Gus  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:09:13pm

There but for the grace of God dumb fucking luck go I.

//

28 jaunte  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:09:58pm

AIG on the Tennessee Creationism Bill

You all know that the Tennessee Creationism Bill Passed in the Legislature and is awaiting the Governor’s signature.

Now let’s see what they think of it at Answers in Genesis (AIG), one of the major sources of young-earth creationist wisdom. AIG is the online creationist ministry of Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo), the Australian entrepreneur who has become the ayatollah of Appalachia.

29 jaunte  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:10:39pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

He may be imagining the mockery, or reading too much PZ Myers.

30 b_Snark  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:12:39pm

re: #21 freetoken

More face-palm moments from our creationist friends in Indiana:

Web letter by Christopher Geischen: Evolution denies God’s existence, mocks Christians as fools

Point is, this is from a science teacher at the Lutheran H.S. ...

Wow, so this supposed former student of which he writes says that evolution "was not even mentioned at all" in her entire degree program? I find that hard to believe. And if she works in the oncology department of a hospital does she have a graduate degree?

And there you have it, the whole point of being anti-evolution is that it is a direct threat to their religious beliefs. Now there are those self-declared Christians who maintain that evolution is compatible with Christianity (e.g., the Biologos crowd) but as my latest Page points out that position is a minority within the evangelical/conservative Christian community in America.

While MDs can be scientists most aren't so the study of evolution is not necessarily studied. In day to day treatment of cancer, evolution is irrelevant. However, in cancer research, as in bacteria/virus/retrovirus research, the study of evolution is a must because in order to develop treatments the processes within the cell/DNA/RNA have to be understood.

31 Gus  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:12:53pm

re: #28 jaunte

AIG on the Tennessee Creationism Bill

"Oh the pain." -- Dr. Smith

32 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:13:50pm

re: #28 jaunte

re: #28 jaunte

AIG is the online creationist ministry of Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo), the Australian entrepreneur who has become the ayatollah of Appalachia.

Hahaha that is brilliant.

33 b_Snark  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:17:15pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

Still isn't prudent or polite for the nonbelievers to do.

Mocking the believers isn't called for unless the believers are in position of authority (Fahlwell, Buchanan, Iranian Imams), but the inconsistencies and the foolish aspects of the belief itself are open to ridicule.

34 jaunte  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:18:29pm

re: #33 Bee#

It tends to happen when the believers are trying to achieve some additional temporal power over the nonbelievers.

35 Gus  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:19:24pm

re: #33 Bee#

Mocking the believers isn't called for unless the believers are in position of authority (Fahlwell, Buchanan, Iranian Imams), but the inconsistencies and the foolish aspects of the belief itself are open to ridicule.

"See. That's why I chose atheism Bob. It's real easy."

//

36 jaunte  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:22:28pm

re: #35 Gus

"See. That's why I chose atheism Bob. It's real easy."
//

NPR did a story a few days ago on the rise of Evangelical churches in Mexico; one of the points the people interviewed made about why they switched was that being Catholic was relatively so much more expensive.

37 b_Snark  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:23:04pm

re: #35 Gus

"See. That's why I chose atheism Bob. It's real easy."

//

As someone who has been terrified of death for most of my life, the easiest and the most comforting thing for me would be to become a believer.

38 jaunte  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:23:32pm
39 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:24:24pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

Still isn't prudent or polite for the nonbelievers to do.

Likewise, it's not prudent to cast judgement or 'save' atheists.

40 Gus  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:26:49pm

re: #37 Bee#

As someone who has been terrified of death for most of my life, the easiest and the most comforting thing for me would be to become a believer.

I know. When it all goes off for eternity. I just hope I'm not seeing it fade away when the time comes. It's a terrifying final task to be cogent of.

41 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:29:10pm

Good News: If things were going to go horrifically, I think the window has passed. She hasn't deleted me on FB.

Bad News: Someone I was talking to elsewise had their profile disappear for a minute. Then came back. I think FB is about to have a Total Eclipse of Derp.

42 Gus  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:30:51pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

Still isn't prudent or polite for the nonbelievers to do.

Earlier I was thinking that I never took it upon myself to talk someone into non-belief. Then I thought that as well that no one has really done the same for God. We must always assume that people will be polite regardless. The internet of course is an altogether different story on all counts. And always remember that dominant groups maintain dominant discord -- and accord.

43 jaunte  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:33:29pm

re: #42 Gus

“It's not about your job. It's about some phony ideal, some phony theology,” Santorum said. "Oh, not a theology based on the Bible, a different theology. But no less a theology.”

44 Gus  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:33:34pm

Please stand by for April Fools Day.

45 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:35:12pm

re: #44 Gus

Looking at Twitter, apparently Toonami came back on Cartoon Network. Hopefully it isn't a April Fools Joke. I would it to be back. It would have to have my nostalgia bombs of Rurouni Kenshin and Yu Yu Hakusho in the Lineup though.

46 Gus  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:35:56pm

re: #43 jaunte

“It's not about your job. It's about some phony ideal, some phony theology,” Santorum said. "Oh, not a theology based on the Bible, a different theology. But no less a theology.”

Well to Santorum I would say no. There are plenty of Christian, scientists. People that believe in God and also study Darwin and evolution. I know too much about deism; even as an atheist can formulate a reasoning for believing in both.

47 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:36:57pm

re: #44 Gus

Please stand by for April Fools Day.

We should have a contest for the biggest fool!

48 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:39:06pm

re: #47 Floral Giraffe

We should have a contest for the biggest fool!

*sigh* But Kragar wins every year!!!

///

49 Gus  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:39:31pm

re: #47 Floral Giraffe

We should have a contest for the biggest fool!

I better behave myself then. //

50 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:40:49pm

re: #48 Targetpractice

*sigh* But Kragar wins every year!!!

///

Not this year. This year Buck can claim the prize.

51 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:41:23pm

re: #45 ProGunLiberal

Looking at Twitter, apparently Toonami came back on Cartoon Network. Hopefully it isn't a April Fools Joke. I would it to be back. It would have to have my nostalgia bombs of Rurouni Kenshin and Yu Yu Hakusho in the Lineup though.

Unfortunately, according to Wiki, it looks to be a one-time thing for April Fool's Day.

52 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:44:54pm

re: #48 Targetpractice

*sigh* But Kragar wins every year!!!

///

OMFG.
He does NOT!

53 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:44:59pm

re: #51 Targetpractice

Those cock-suckers at Cartoon Network.

54 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:45:23pm

Good night, all.

55 Gus  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:45:37pm

I'm glad RUSH sent that letter to Limbaugh.

02 - Red Barchetta - Rush - Moving Pictures

56 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:45:43pm

re: #53 ProGunLiberal

Those cock-suckers at Cartoon Network.

Yeah, I know, the network I remember as a kid is gone. But, then again, I'm still old enough to remember when MTV showed music videos.

57 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:48:38pm

re: #56 Targetpractice

I never watched MTV has a kid. So I have no idea what that was like.

58 Gus  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:49:45pm

re: #57 ProGunLiberal

I never watched MTV has a kid. So I have no idea what that was like.

59 jaunte  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:50:00pm

re: #56 Targetpractice

A Flock of Seagulls... Dexy's Midnight Runners... Magic times.

60 Gus  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:50:15pm

Back when we used to be the shit.

61 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:50:54pm

re: #57 ProGunLiberal

I never watched MTV has a kid. So I have no idea what that was like.

It was good, for a time. Then the network execs apparently decided that the non-video segments were more popular than the videos, as well as jumping on the early days of the "reality TV" bandwagon. Ugh.

62 Gus  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:55:06pm
63 jaunte  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:57:17pm

re: #62 Gus

"Ready to reveal a side you haven't seen before!"
How many sides can a one-dimensional person have?

64 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:57:18pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

It was good, for a time. Then the network execs apparently decided that the non-video segments were more popular than the videos, as well as jumping on the early days of the "reality TV" bandwagon. Ugh.

Remote Control, as good as it was, marked the beginning of the end (what happened to Marisol Massey anyway?) By the time I was an undergrad and the first Real World started airing you could see the trajectory clearly.

65 Gus  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:58:17pm

re: #63 jaunte

"Ready to reveal a side you haven't seen before!"
How many sides can a one-dimensional person have?

Tammany would have loved Sarah.

66 boredtechindenver  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:59:12pm

re: #53 ProGunLiberal

Those cock-suckers at Cartoon Network.

I was more pissed at Cartoon Network/Adult swim for the prank of playing "The Room", two years in a row.

67 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:01:00pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

I hate reality TV. I heard someone say that the Hunger Games plotline is basically showing the extreme end of Reality TV gone rampant, or something like that.

Any way, on the Trayvon Martin case, had anyone seen this before:

At an emergency homeowner’s association meeting on March 1, “one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home,” the resident wrote in an email to HuffPost. “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch captain role.

From HuffPo.

Also, this:

She and her friend say they heard the sounds from a few steps away, where they were inside beside an open window.

Seconds later, they dashed out to find a boy face down on the ground and a man standing over him, a foot on each side of the body on the ground, with his hands pinning the shooting victim down.

“I asked him, ‘What’s happening here? What’s going on?’" said Cutcher’s friend, Selma Mora Lamilla. “The third time, I was indignant, and he said, ‘just call the police.’ Then I saw him with his hands over his head in the universal sign of: ‘Oh man, I messed up.’"

The women, who were the first on the scene, said they saw Zimmerman pacing back and forth.

68 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:01:40pm

re: #66 boredtechindenver

I saw a Nostalgia Critic review of that. It was so damn painful to watch. The clips of the movie that is.

69 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:05:25pm

re: #68 ProGunLiberal

The only other time I had to take a break during a watching of a review from that site was during Nostalgia Chick's review of Milo and Otis. And that was for completely different reasons.

Mostly the horror of what was done to film it. I had to walk out of the room and walk around 3-4 times during that less than 15 minute video. I also felt said the rest of the day.

[Link: blip.tv...]

70 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:17:59pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

By the time I was an undergrad and the first Real World started airing you could see the trajectory clearly.

I believe that was the first "Reality Show" to air.

I watched a few episodes before deciding it was total crap. That was the beginning and the end of my interest in "Reality" tv.

71 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:19:22pm

re: #70 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I believe that was the first "Reality Show" to air.

I watched a few episodes before deciding it was total crap. That was the beginning and the end of my interest in "Reality" tv.

"Reality TV" is such a crock. If you honestly believe that those shows don't work off a script, then I got some beachfront property in Arizona I'm selling cheap.

72 Gus  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:19:40pm
73 palomino  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:20:52pm

It looks like a giant shaved scrotum with eyes, ears and claws. Run for your lives!

Actually a killer aardvark might make a good movie monster.

74 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:25:08pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

I did try to give the "Reality" (pffft!) genre another chance with the very first episode of "Survivor". My interest lasted less than fifteen minutes.

75 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:34:16pm

In 2007 after a Stand Your Ground law was enacted in Texas a man called 911 to report two men breaking into and burglarizing his neighbor's home. Here is the 911 call, listen as he directly contradicts and argues with the operator who tells him that property isn't worth killing or dying over. The man says that "the laws have been changed in this country," insists on going out to confront the burglars with his shotgun and then kills them. Skip to 5 minutes and 10 seconds:

P.S. Charles, FYI Youtube seems to have changed their start code to &t=XmYs, the old &Start= code format isn't working for this video here and neither is the new code provided by Youtube.

76 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:37:26pm

So I've been playing the fan-made Wing Commander game that dropped last week, and had an unnecessarily frustrating time with the final mission in the prologue portion.

True to old-school WC form, many of the missions are multi-stage missions which force you to start over from the beginning of the mission if you fail at any stage, rather than picking up from the last completed stage.

Anyway, the final mission in the prologue has many stages, some challenging, and here is my list of epic fail before finally finishing it. Like anyone cares.

1. Failed to prevent torpedoes from reaching the carrier I was escorting. Four times.

2. Death by an epically lucky ("good" for the bogies, "bad" for me) spam of enemy missiles all reaching me simultaneously. One time.

3. Death by flying too close to an enemy cruiser just as it was blown up by allies. Two times.

4. Death by Mother Nature. Two times. It's been raining in my area today, and twice as I was nearing the end of the mission, the power went out.

77 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:45:50pm

Speaking of gaming, and getting back to a topic from this morning, seems Bioware got the hint:

BioWare to finally change the Mass Effect 3 ending in April

I'd heard that fans actually started up a charity to show their seriousness for wanting a change to the ending, donating the money to Child's Play Charity. Last count was something over $80K had been donated before they shut it down.

78 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:46:56pm

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

If you're watching a YouTube video, pause at the time you want to start at, then right click on the little circle on the video timer at the bottom of the vid. You will get an option to "Copy URL at current time".


It only works here when done as a link like this, but not when simply pasted into a comment like this...

79 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:48:58pm

re: #78 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

It used to work here no problem, now it's not for some reason.

80 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:56:10pm

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

Follow up:

A Harris County grand jury on Monday ended the rancorous seven-month debate over Pasadena resident Joe Horn's decision to gun down two illegal immigrant burglars in his front yard, concluding the act was a justifiable use of deadly force and not murder.

The grand jury heard two weeks of testimony from witnesses, including Horn. They likely also heard his breathless 911 call, during which the increasingly frustrated retiree ignored a dispatcher's pleas to stay inside and out of harm's way. The Nov. 14 call ended with the sound of Horn racking a shell into his 12-gauge shotgun's chamber followed by three gunshots that killed Colombians Diego Ortiz, 30, and Hernando Riascos Torres, 38.

Each man was shot in the back. They had taken about $2,000 in the burglary.

81 Four More Beers  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:00:58pm

Well, this is pretty cute, considering it was not a 200# doe that ran in front of me last night while I was going 55 mph (speed limit) after shooting a baseball game, and destroyed my Tacoma. Kid A is fine; the doe, not so much. Scary as hell, trust me.

82 freetoken  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:06:52pm

re: #80 goddamnedfrank

We're back to the gunslinging days.

83 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:09:07pm

re: #82 freetoken

I'm really paranoid what happens when (I honestly think that, given conditions, Obama will win the election) Obama wins in November. I think, at least for the time being, other Liberals need to give up on Gun Control.

84 freetoken  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:12:14pm

Working on the genealogy stuff... given a name, a supposed area of residence, and supposed area of origin, of a supposed grandparent.

Amazing what one can find online, but even more what one can't find. Extremely variable from state to state, from community to community.

Very disappointed in Orange County - seems to want lots of money for little info. And there are holes in the historical society/communities - I'm not sure they really care about recording the past. Same with Los Angeles County, save that the older localities in that area do have historical societies who care.

As for Oklahoma - one would think I was looking into Indian Territory or something. Oh... I am. Anyway, the early years of that state are a wasteland as far as records are concerned. Which is fitting, given that it was also a physical wasteland in that dust-bowl era.

85 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:13:23pm

re: #83 ProGunLiberal

I'm really paranoid what happens when (I honestly think that, given conditions, Obama will win the election) Obama wins in November. I think, at least for the time being, other Liberals need to give up on Gun Control.

If I thought the NRA would stop banging their drum, I might agree. But they're out there, telling all their membership and anybody who will listen that Obama's waiting til he's reelected to come for everybody's guns. So why keep quiet about something they're gonna scream regardless?

86 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:13:24pm

re: #77 Targetpractice

Dear BioWhere fansboys,

I watched every single fucking episode of LOST, including that shit pile of an ending. So suck it up Nancy, and move on.

On this...

So that's that then, we'll probably be getting some sort of complete ending, probably as a DLC, and bets are on that it's gonna be paid. Already there's conspiracy theories brewing across the internets that Bioware and EA have been slicing off actual content from the game to sell off as DLCs, which is plausible.

Since the dawn of video gaming, developers have had to cut content in order to meet their publisher's deadlines and budget restraints. Sometimes because said content was not fully finished, sometimes because the bugs weren't fully squashed.

Since the advent of paid DLC, publishers and developers have found a way to profit on the tidbits left on the cutting room floor that did not first meet the deadline or the budget.

To me, it's seems an awful lot like paying for a software patch, which is why I do not nor ever have participated in the paid DLC scam.

Of course, I exempt paid DLC expansion packs that add tons of more content and many more hours of gameplay. Although I don't pay for those separately either. I just wait for GOTY editions with all that shit bundled.

87 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:15:52pm

re: #81 Lord of Republicandoucheistan

Friend of mine had that happen. Deer ruined his front end and he nearly went off a cliff.

88 freetoken  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:15:59pm

re: #83 ProGunLiberal

I am very disappointed with President Obama. Not that I expected much - I didn't vote for him. Yet I hope (in vain, it appears) that he would be more aggressive in using the bully pulpit to talk about our fetishes for guns and violence.

President Obama is not delivering the goods; blame the Republicans if you want - and they certainly deserve criticism and even condemnation - but it is the President's job to rally the country.

It's not written in the Constitution, but it has been in practice since Lincoln one of the most important roles for the office of the President - shaping the national dialogue of what the nation ought to be and ought to do.

89 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:16:43pm

re: #82 freetoken

We're back to the gunslinging days.

Shot.them.in.the.back!

Yeah, they came into his front yard, walking backwards. That happens.

I'm just like ... fucking Wow! And wondering how this is the first time I've heard of it.

The Grand Jury just flat out let this guy off on a double murder. I'm sure the fact that the two dead men were illegal aliens didn't unduly sway the deliberations at all.

90 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:17:02pm

re: #85 Targetpractice

At this point, I would just start buying guns too. Fortunately, If all goes to plan, I will be in the fairly Liberal North Denver-Fort Collins area by Election Time.

I honestly think there could be violence if Obama wins, with the way the Conservative movement seems to be losing grip of sanity.

91 freetoken  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:18:33pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

When the shooting happened I recall it got a bit of attention here - but something like this gets taken off the top of the topic list by the next atrocity, which are many.

92 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:19:14pm

re: #86 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Dear BioWhere fansboys,

I watched every single fucking episode of LOST, including that shit pile of an ending. So suck it up Nancy, and move on.

If LOST were interactive, with every choice you'd made for 100+ hours being sold as relevant to the ending, I'd sympathize. But it wasn't, it was a scripted brain fart that ran longer than it should that most fans had figured out the ending in the first season.

On this...

Since the dawn of video gaming, developers have had to cut content in order to meet their publisher's deadlines and budget restraints. Sometimes because said content was not fully finished, sometimes because the bugs weren't fully squashed.

Since the advent of paid DLC, publishers and developers have found a way to profit on the tidbits left on the cutting room floor that did not first meet the deadline or the budget.

To me, it's seems an awful lot like paying for a software patch, which is why I do not nor ever have participated in the paid DLC scam.

Of course, I exempt paid DLC expansion packs that add tons of more content and many more hours of gameplay. Although I don't pay for those separately either. I just wait for GOTY editions with all that shit bundled.

Bioware doesn't release GOTY editions, at least not ones with the DLCs as part of the deal. You want the DLCs for their games, prepare to be bled dry.

93 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:21:58pm

re: #92 Targetpractice

Bioware doesn't release GOTY editions, at least not ones with the DLCs as part of the deal. You want the DLCs for their games, prepare to be bled dry.

Which is why I don't buy BioWhore games. Well, one of the reasons I don't, anyway.

94 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:23:31pm

re: #93 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Which is why I don't buy BioWhore games. Well, one of the reasons I don't, anyway.

To be fair, I'm not sure the decision not to sell GOTY versions with the DLCs included is solely Bioware's, considering who owns their asses these days.

95 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:23:49pm

re: #86 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Final Fantasy VII is the epitome of this.

It's a fantastic game, but it's has glitches all over the place, and a good many things were cut.

There is even stuff you can find through the Debug Room suggesting that, until very, very late in Development, that Aerith was supposed die at Northern Crater, not the City of the Ancients. It has even been fully translated.

Also, there is stuff in the game that goes unexplained. In contrast, only one thing in Final Fantasy VIII wan't fully explained. What exactly was at the bottom the Deep Sea Research Facility. Most everything else was fleshed out, but that was left hanging.

96 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:26:15pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

To be fair, I'm not sure the decision not to sell GOTY versions with the DLCs included is solely Bioware's, considering who owns their asses these days.

Oh, I'm sure you're right. In the gaming industry, publishers rule.

But, as I believe I've mentioned before, I've been an anti-fan of BioWhat since the late 90's.

97 engineer cat  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:26:50pm

underday time again overnight

98 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:27:30pm

re: #96 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Oh, I'm sure you're right. In the gaming industry, publishers rule.

But, as I believe I've mentioned before, I've been an anti-fan of BioWhat since the late 90's.

Back when they were still owned by Interplay?

99 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:28:11pm

re: #95 ProGunLiberal

Everyone have their rotten tomatoes and heads of lettuce ready?

I don't like JRPGs. In fact, I nearly despise them.

:ducks:

100 engineer cat  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:29:08pm

re: #90 ProGunLiberal

At this point, I would just start buying guns too. Fortunately, If all goes to plan, I will be in the fairly Liberal North Denver-Fort Collins area by Election Time.

I honestly think there could be violence if Obama wins, with the way the Conservative movement seems to be losing grip of sanity.

i would have thought so a few years ago but these days i think i sense that wingnuttia is resigned to defeat

mittens is to be the last sacrificial rino before the party splits fatally in two

101 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:29:36pm

re: #99 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Everyone have their rotten tomatoes and heads of lettuce ready?

I don't like JRPGs. In fact, I nearly despise them.

:ducks:

Yahtzee, is that you?

//

102 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:29:43pm

re: #98 Targetpractice

Yes. BioWhen was the dirty slut that IPLY cheated on Black Isle with, which eventually led to IPLY killing BI.

/glittering gem

103 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:30:39pm

re: #99 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

:Chucks Brick instead:

I like playing through a story. Fallout's great and all, but sometimes I just want to follow a story.

Still, taking a closer look at what I mentioned before, it seems that the Northern Crater was, up until very late supposed to be where Aerith died. And you would have gotten there at the end of Disc 1, not the middle of Disc 2.

Trying to figure out the original scenario is a bit difficult.

104 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:31:16pm

re: #102 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Yes. BioWhen was the dirty slut that IPLY cheated on Black Isle with, which eventually led to IPLY killing BI.

/glittering gem

Ah, I see where you're coming from.

105 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:31:23pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

Interested in seeing the site? It's a bit hold, but everything still holds up.

106 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:31:56pm

re: #105 ProGunLiberal

Interested in seeing the site? It's a bit hold, but everything still holds up.

Sure.

107 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:32:12pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

Yahtzee, is that you?

//

That dude is hilarious, but he's got a hard on for the used game trade.

My opinion is, if he wants me to buy games brand new, he can fucking pay for 'em. Until then, I'll buy what ever the fuck I can afford.

108 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:33:52pm

re: #103 ProGunLiberal

I like playing through a story. Fallout's great and all, but sometimes I just want to follow a story.

You better be talking about shit from Fallout:Tactics and after, or I'll show you exactly what a "glittering gem of hatred" is!
///

109 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:36:13pm

re: #106 Targetpractice

It's in three parts, plus a conclusion, and note about a goof in visuals.

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Conclusion

Sephiroth's Magical Gloves. Interest in question in Error #2

Also, another interesting point. If you hacked in Aerith into your party after her death, and she is present at the point the cutscene at Northern Crater starts, the game will hang and crash.

110 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:39:01pm

re: #109 ProGunLiberal

Also, not only that, looking at other errors in the game, apparently, Aerith's position during the kill scene shifts alot, seen as Error #7.

Indicating it was a last minute slap-on.

111 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:41:58pm

re: #103 ProGunLiberal

I like playing through a story.

Speaking of which, have you ever played this?

112 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:42:59pm

re: #109 ProGunLiberal

It's in three parts, plus a conclusion, and note about a goof in visuals.

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Conclusion

Sephiroth's Magical Gloves. Interest in question in Error #2

Also, another interesting point. If you hacked in Aerith into your party after her death, and she is present at the point the cutscene at Northern Crater starts, the game will hang and crash.

Yeah, that's something you see in games a lot, characters who were scripted for earlier/later scenarios who disappear before those scenarios happen. Mass Effect 2 had two examples, one a character who had dialogue scripted before they decided to make his appearance a late-game affair. Another just cut out altogether until the DLC for her was eventually released. Thing was, they'd even gone ahead and recorded dialogue for her, and there was a placeholder model in the game for her.

Fallout 3 had an entire quest excised before it was released, along with various weapons and items that were put in the game's code but not implemented.

113 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:43:32pm

re: #111 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

No, but it looks familiar. I think I once watched a friend play a game like that on his computer.

114 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:47:11pm

re: #112 Targetpractice

I think saw about a few of those of the FalloutWiki. I remember the Cryolater.

Of course, sometimes management will cut things from the game because they batshit insane and have no business there. For example, originally, Wild Wasteland perk in Fallout: New Vegas was supposed to have one more encounter:

Gojira. No I'm not kinding. 8000 HP, and a flame attack that did way over 1000hp per second.

115 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:48:36pm

re: #114 ProGunLiberal

I think saw about a few of those of the FalloutWiki. I remember the Cryolater.

Of course, sometimes management will cut things from the game because they batshit insane and have no business there. For example, originally, Wild Wasteland perk in Fallout: New Vegas was supposed to have one more encounter:

Gojira. No I'm not kinding. 8000 HP, and a flame attack that did way over 1000hp per second.

Yeah, I know. But apparently there was a quest between "The American Dream" and "Take It Back!" in FO3, that required you to hunt down a power source for Liberty Prime. It was supposed to at least partly take place in Rivet City, but what it involved and how it was supposed to go have been lost to the ages.

116 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:51:00pm

re: #113 ProGunLiberal

No

You lose three Internets, and are hereby banned from discussing or referencing the "story" of any CRPG for a period of no less than one year and thirteen days. Further, you will be progressively fined any time you discuss or reference JRPGS for the above mentioned time period.
/

117 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:52:02pm

re: #115 Targetpractice

I still wonder how anybody thought that the Gojira thing was a good idea. Even the best, most heavily built character would find it near impossible to defeat.

Unless you were given Nukes. But there were only 10-15 nukes in the Non-DLC vanilla version.

118 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:57:16pm

re: #117 ProGunLiberal

I still wonder how anybody thought that the Gojira thing was a good idea. Even the best, most heavily built character would find it near impossible to defeat.

Unless you were given Nukes. But there were only 10-15 nukes in the Non-DLC vanilla version.

I never really got into the use of the Fatman. After one too many times getting blown to bits because I'd misjudged the distance/angle of my shot, I tossed it in the locker and forgot about it.

119 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:04:40am

re: #118 Targetpractice

In Fallout 3, on the recent playthough, I only used it 4-6 times.

3 of those where me vs. Behemoth. In fact in, the Capital Building, I used against Talon Company to prevent Charon from being nuked by their Fat Man, then turned it on a Behemoth.

The other time, I just had it in inventory, and a Super Mutant Overlord was on a Pain-in-the-Ass ledge. I stopped his behavior very quickly. I might have used it a few other times, but the Fat Man is generally my "Santorum Hits the Fan" weapon when stuff gets truly over the top.

120 freetoken  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:05:31am

In doing this genealogy stuff I'm impressed with the idea of how contingent our existence is... and why time travel would be so dangerous.

My ancestors all made decisions that in the very slightest of changes would have totally changed the course of their lives, and thus leading to me not being.

Even the most slightest, incidental, apparently unimportant changes can lead to the non-existence of what otherwise would happen - if one were able to travel back in time.

Many stories explore this idea. Yet working on one's own ancestors' stories makes it all seem so... real.

121 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:06:55am

re: #119 ProGunLiberal

In Fallout 3, on the recent playthough, I only used it 4-6 times.

3 of those where me vs. Behemoth. In fact in, the Capital Building, I used against Talon Company to prevent Charon from being nuked by their Fat Man, then turned it on a Behemoth.

The other time, I just had it in inventory, and a Super Mutant Overlord was on a Pain-in-the-Ass ledge. I stopped his behavior very quickly. I might have used it a few other times, but the Fat Man is generally my "Santorum Hits the Fan" weapon when stuff gets truly over the top.

Yeah, I only ever used it against Behemoths. Everything else, I either used a sniper rifle or several grenades. Hell, didn't even really use grenades except for bartering and for sneak kills.

122 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:07:05am

re: #118 Targetpractice

I never really got into the use of the Fatman.

A travesty of a concept, that nuclear wrist rocket.

123 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:07:33am

Yu Yu Hakusho appeared on Toonami tonight. If Rurouni Kenshin appears, my Nostalgia Bomb becomes a Nostalgia Nuke.

124 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:08:36am

re: #122 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

And the US actually had this an idea.

The Davy Crokkett

125 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:09:25am

re: #124 ProGunLiberal

And the US actually had this an idea.

The Davy Crokkett

Yeah, those they were at least smart enough to use a recoilless rifle, rather than a catapult. But they also had to deal with that little thing called radiation.

126 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:09:33am

re: #123 ProGunLiberal

Apparently, Rurouni Kenshin did appear. :D

127 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:10:16am

re: #121 Targetpractice

Yeah, I only ever used it against Behemoths.

I will punch you in the soul until you pee from your armpits!
/

128 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:10:42am

re: #125 Targetpractice

Also, that entire concept is insane. Again, who thought this was a viable plan?

129 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:11:58am

re: #128 ProGunLiberal

Also, that entire concept is insane. Again, who thought this was a viable plan?

The same guys who built nuclear artillery shells for both land and naval use, nuclear air-to-air missiles, and nuclear depth charges. The military suffered a serious nuclear fetish before they stopped and realized that the radiation wasn't short-lived or harmless.

130 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:13:48am

re: #128 ProGunLiberal

Also, that entire concept is insane. Again, who thought this was a viable plan?

Apparently the Bethesda developers worked for the Pentagon back in the 50's.

131 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:14:31am

re: #129 Targetpractice

Doing some research, apparently three nations still use Nuclear Artillery:

Pakistan, India, and China.

I see nothing that could go wrong here.

////

132 freetoken  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:15:14am

If one really wanted to screw around with Western civilization one could travel back in time and make sure Carthage won its wars with Rome.

Carthage would have remained in control of the Mediterranean sea, and the inhabitants of central Italy would never have become rich enough to unify most of Europe south of the norther forests.

There also likely would not have been a Roman Christian church and all that it wrought, but rather a Carthage dominated religious system. Israel would not have fallen under the rule of a Roman empire but a Carthaginian one, remotely at best and perhaps the Ptolemies/Herods/Seleucids descendants would have fought it out for control of the areas of the eastern part of the Mediterranean lands.

The empires of Europe would not have been as they were, and thus "we" wouldn't be here in North America.

A complex alternate history, but one which would see today as being much different.

133 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:17:15am

re: #132 freetoken

I think Ancestry dot com was what my sister sucessfully used...

134 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:19:27am

re: #132 freetoken

One of my favorite science fiction subgenres is alternative history. It's amazing sometimes to think that some of the greatest changes in history owe themselves to simple decisions, happenstances, or quarks of fate.

135 freetoken  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:24:37am

re: #133 Floral Giraffe

I think Ancestry dot com was what my sister sucessfully used...

To time travel back to Carthage?

Oh, you mean my genealogy - yes, we started with Ancestry.com (via the free trial) which recovered a handful of records. From there though I've had to go by online death certificates or grave records. The most important bits of data would come from the end of the line (the death of the unknown grandfather) in Orange county, but there are no online records but I will have to go up to Orange county to look at the death certificate(s) of possible leads. It is quite possible that the grandfather left no other descendants (the data indicates another daughter, but she disappears, thanks I suspect to our patriarchal system of women losing their last names at marriage.)

So stepping one generation back and looking at my great-uncle or great-aunt possibilities, for possible 3rd or 4th cousins, and now we get back to MO which fortunately kept better records and I've found some leads to a possible great-grandfather and family.

The only way to close the loop though will be by genetic testing, as my mother's birth cert. doesn't list the father's name.

136 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:28:13am

re: #134 Targetpractice

One of my favorite science fiction subgenres is alternative history. It's amazing sometimes to think that some of the greatest changes in history owe themselves to simple decisions war, happenstances war, or quarks of fate war.

:P

137 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:30:02am

re: #132 freetoken

Ever considered writing that kind of fiction? I think you'd be good at it.

/The Behemoth says, having no idea what Freetoken's actual occupation is.

138 abolitionist  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:30:34am

re: #134 Targetpractice

One of my favorite science fiction subgenres is alternative history. It's amazing sometimes to think that some of the greatest changes in history owe themselves to simple decisions, happenstances, or quarks of fate.

That's one of the things I enjoy about Fringe.

139 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:31:06am

re: #136 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

:P

Hell, even in war, it was small things that turned the tide. Just a change in the weather could help or doom military campaigns.

140 freetoken  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:37:39am

re: #134 Targetpractice

Simple changes to the timeline any time-traveler could do with minimal effort:

(1) travel back to 1831 to Coles county Illinois and offer the young Abe Lincoln, so wanting to leave his family and travel the world, a free (ship) ticket to somewhere in the world (say, Europe.) Abe, wanting to leave (as he did) would have gone, and America would be different.

(2) Travel back to 9th century China, when they were already experimenting with gun powder and various weaponry, and show them how to make a rifle. They had made various crude weaponry with gun powder, but never perfected the projectile weapon. I suspect they were just missing the metal working instructions for making a barrel for the rifle.

(3) Show up in 3rd century BC Greece with a telescope, a microscope, and some eyeglasses. They would have figured out the rest. You might have instructed them to use lime to make better glass - that would have been quickest.

Simple stuff - you just need to make a time machine.


(3)

141 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:37:55am

re: #139 Targetpractice

Hell, even in war, it was small things that turned the tide. Just a change in the weather could help or doom military campaigns.

And an otherwise trivial gesture, common and complementary in your culture, but seen as deliberately offensive in an alien one, could be the spark that starts said war.

142 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:38:55am

To the audience. I found something on Wikiepedia and Blood Alcohol Content:

In 1995, a man in Wrocław, Poland, had a car accident. At the hospital, his BAC was determined to be 1.48%. Concerned that their equipment was malfunctioning, doctors also performed five separate lab tests, all of which confirmed the man's blood alcohol content. He died a few days later from wounds from the car accident. Police were baffled as to how an individual could attain such a high blood alcohol. Later, police discussions with his brother in-law revealed that he had "beer bonged" pure grain alcohol allegedly stolen from his place of work, a chemical plant.

In December 2004, a man was admitted to the hospital in Plovdiv, Bulgaria, after being struck by a car. After detecting a strong alcohol odor, doctors at a hospital conducted a breath test which displayed the man's blood alcohol content at 0.914. The man was treated for serious injuries sustained in the crash and survived.

In February 2005, French gendarmes from Bourg-en-Bresse, France, conducted a breath test on a man who had lost control of his car. He had an alcohol content of 0.976. He was not injured in the accident but was charged with a €150 fine and his driving license was canceled.

There have been reported cases of blood alcohol content higher than 1.00. In March 2009, a 45-year-old man was admitted to the hospital in Skierniewice, Poland, after being struck by a car. The blood test showed blood alcohol content at 1.23. The man survived but did not remember either the accident or the circumstances of his alcohol consumption. One such case was reported by O'Neil, and others in 1984. They report on a 30-year-old man who survived a blood alcohol concentration of 1,500 mg/100 ml blood after vigorous medical intervention.

In 1982, a 24-year-old woman was admitted to the UCLA emergency room with a serum alcohol concentration of 1.5 (1510 mg/dL). She was alert and oriented to person and place (reported in The Lancet, Dec 18, 1982, p. 1394). Serum Alcohol Concentration is not equal to nor calculated in the same way as Blood Alcohol Content. (By conversion using BAC=SAC/1.14, this would correspond to a BAC of 1.33)

In South Africa, a man driving a Mercedes-Benz Vito van containing 15 sheep, allegedly stolen from nearby farms was arrested on December 22, 2010, near Queenstown in Eastern Cape. His blood had an alcohol content of 1.6 g/100 ml. Also in the vehicle were five boys and a woman who were also arrested.

In Poland, a homeless man was found sleeping half-naked on January 28, 2011, in Cieszyn. His blood had an alcohol level of 1.024%. Despite the temperature of −10 °C and extremely high blood alcohol content the man survived.

I have questions. Namely about their livers.

143 freetoken  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:41:08am

re: #137 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

At various times I've dabbled in creative writing. I've written stuff before, nonfiction - tiny circulation newspaper, etc.

Writing is a job that doesn't pay well, and with the collapse of the written media (newspapers, magazines) it now pays even less.

I've tried writing short stories before - I prefer them to longer works. Science fiction usually. I'd rather work on stories for film/tv though, but not fluffy stuff that occupies 99% of the industry. That industry is hard enough to break into, but being picky about what I would write would make it impossible. I don't write schlock.

144 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:42:45am

re: #142 ProGunLiberal

I have questions. Namely about their livers.


Answer...

145 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:48:47am

re: #143 freetoken

You strike me as a very intelligent and creative individual. I would not be surprised to hear of you selling a screenplay someday.

146 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:49:03am

re: #144 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

1% Alcohol Level seems...stunning to me.

I mean, blowing 1.6! Holy crap, that's 20 times over the US legal limit. And 32 times over the limit in South Africa, where it happened. In general, Europe has lower BAC level to get in trouble, for the record.

And how can you drink that much and not die. That South African who blew a 1.6 must be the Drunkest Driver in History.

147 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:54:16am

re: #7 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

I don't find him or her cute. What's wrong with me? Doctor, will I live? :(

You have no heart.

Actually, that thing, as I remarked before, looks like it should be playing at the Mos Eisley cantina.

But cute, in a hideous-baby-animal way.

148 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:57:25am

re: #73 palomino

It looks like a giant shaved scrotum with eyes, ears and claws. Run for your lives!

Actually a killer aardvark might make a good movie monster.

Dude...scrotum?

That I do not see.

149 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:58:32am

re: #82 freetoken

We're back to the gunslinging days.

Thing is, back in the actual gunslinging days, people were trying to impose law and order.

Now, it's like we don't want it any more.

150 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:59:12am

re: #85 Targetpractice

If I thought the NRA would stop banging their drum, I might agree. But they're out there, telling all their membership and anybody who will listen that Obama's waiting til he's reelected to come for everybody's guns. So why keep quiet about something they're gonna scream regardless?

You'd think that they'd notice he didn't come for their guns last time, despite many assurances that he would.

151 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:02:19am

re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist

Dude...scrotum?

That I do not see.

Your husband is still young-ish. You'll "see" it in about 20 or 30 years.

152 Four More Tears  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:02:44am

re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist

Dude...scrotum?

That I do not see.

Just tilt your head to the left, squint your eyes, oh and turn down the lights. Then you'll see it. Right on the snout between the eyes...

153 Four More Tears  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:04:09am

re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist

You'd think that they'd notice he didn't come for their guns last time, despite many assurances that he would.

Doesn't matter. The gun industry needs sales, dammit.

154 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:04:21am

re: #87 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Friend of mine had that happen. Deer ruined his front end and he nearly went off a cliff.

There was the time my husband's uncle hit a deer, somewhere out on White Ark Road. (Deep in the heart of northeastern Lousiana.) Didn't kill it. He had some idea that they could salvage the meat, so he loaded the injured deer into the back of his car (not the back of his truck, please note, the back seat of a sedan). And drove like hell. The deer, presumably unclear on what the hell had just happened, met its maker somewhere on the back roads along the bayou.

My GMIL had to call it in, since it was out of hunting season. "No, no, I said it was HIT at White Ark up by the train tracks. It's not there now. It's in my front yard, in the back seat of Bobby's Corolla. Yes, I said my FRONT YARD...look, write me a ticket or something. I can't do anything about it now."

155 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:07:11am

re: #151 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Your husband is still young-ish. You'll "see" it in about 20 or 30 years.

Thanks for the warning...

156 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:09:10am

Comment from Zooborns: I am a baby aardvark and I am fearfully and wonderfully made.

157 freetoken  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:21:06am

re: #145 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Thank you, but I'm afraid at this stage of my life I have no more energy to undertake yet another career adventure. Sad but true, at a certain age one becomes unwilling to wildly venture forth anymore. I've tried my hand at several careers, sort of succeeded in one of them for a while, failed to certain degrees in the rest.

Here is the truth for you younger folk: make the most of your days. Don't hold back but go for whatever you desire, try to become whatever you can dream. The day will come soon enough when you will just sit back and watch the rest of the world go by - make each day count till then.

158 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:24:29am

re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist

Comment from Zooborns: I am a baby aardvark and I am fearfully and wonderfully made.

I thought only humans had scary sex, particularly when involving one night stands, prostitutes, and/or uniquely specific fetishes.

159 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:24:57am

New update: Hernandez can be an astronaut on the ballot.

[Link: blogs.sacbee.com...]

The suit notes that Hernandez reported to the clerk of the House of Representatives that he received $150,000 last year for serving as the "executive director for strategic operations" with MEI Technologies.

Connelly said the fact that Hernandez worked for NASA only two weeks in 2011 does not mean that he cannot be called an astronaut that year, which also included service at MEI technologies that drew upon his scientific and engineering background.

A key question is whether the ballot designation of "astronaut/scientist/engineer" is misleading as to the cumulative work performed by Hernandez during the 12-month period, according to Connelly.

"Given the scope of the work performed in 2011, the court does not believe it is (misleading)," Connelly said.

160 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:26:18am

re: #158 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I thought only humans had scary sex, particularly when involving one night stands, prostitutes, and/or uniquely specific fetishes.

Ha! Reminds me of a bit at the hilarious blog STFUParents, where a woman comments that her toddler has been crying, grabbing her breasts, and hitting her with a wooden spoon all afternoon--and it reminds her of the night he was conceived.

161 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:29:00am

re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist

New update: Hernandez can be an astronaut on the ballot.

[Link: blogs.sacbee.com...]

The suit notes that Hernandez reported to the clerk of the House of Representatives that he received $150,000 last year for serving as the "executive director for strategic operations" with MEI Technologies.

Connelly said the fact that Hernandez worked for NASA only two weeks in 2011 does not mean that he cannot be called an astronaut that year, which also included service at MEI technologies that drew upon his scientific and engineering background.

A key question is whether the ballot designation of "astronaut/scientist/engineer" is misleading as to the cumulative work performed by Hernandez during the 12-month period, according to Connelly.

"Given the scope of the work performed in 2011, the court does not believe it is (misleading)," Connelly said.

Then I can be a cowboy. I was ranch-sitting on six acres in Sedona, Arizona in 1981. The neighbor had some cattle grazing on the property. Sometimes they would jump the fence. I would phone the neighbor and tell hiim to come put the cows back.

But what does a coboy do? He watches over cattle. Therefore I can put "cowboy" on my job resume or ballot listing.

PS, I have never ever in my life, actively or passively, watched over sheep of any kind...

162 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:29:47am

re: #139 Targetpractice

Hell, even in war, it was small things that turned the tide. Just a change in the weather could help or doom military campaigns.

But you'll still need Alien Space Bats to get Operation Sealion to work out.

163 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:35:27am

re: #157 freetoken

I bet you still have something in you that could nail it down.

Here is the truth for you younger folk: make the most of your days. Don't hold back but go for whatever you desire, try to become whatever you can dream.

Do not fear broken bones or broken hearts.
Do not cower before hard stares or hard times.
Do not entertain YeahButs.
Do not be superstitious.
Do not say "No" when deep down inside you want to say "Yes".

164 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:37:54am

re: #161 Expand Your Ground

Then I can be a cowboy. I was ranch-sitting on six acres in Sedona, Arizona in 1981. The neighbor had some cattle grazing on the property. Sometimes they would jump the fence. I would phone the neighbor and tell hiim to come put the cows back.

But what does a coboy do? He watches over cattle. Therefore I can put "cowboy" on my job resume or ballot listing.

PS, I have never ever in my life, actively or passively, watched over sheep of any kind...

This dude was actually up on the Discovery...just saying.

I can understand his opponent's concern, though. It's very hard to beat 'astronaut' for pure cool points.

165 freetoken  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:38:41am

Getting back to the genealogy - from the known portion of my maternal line (which would be the maternal maternal line), among the things which I have forgotten or overlooked:

It turns out I am a son of the Civil War, with one great grandparent definitely riding in the Union calvary - we've got his unit number and dates. (It is possible that the unknown maternal line was involved in the Confederacy, and that both lines fought each other directly.)

It also turns out I am a son of the Revolutionary War, with at least on ancestor involved, who was captured by the British and held prisoner.

Further back, one of by ancestors were colonials in the 1600's, part of the earliest communities in ME and western MA.

I guess all of that makes me about as American as apple pie. So next time someone accuses me of being an anti-American elitist I'll just whip out my pedigree and say I've inherited the right to judge my own ancestors.

166 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:40:10am

Good morning Lizards from "it's always sunny in Philadelphia Koln".

A pleasant Sunday morning that finds me watching over computer programs at a chemical plant. O_o

A interesting place for discussing/reading alt history ideas is out on Usenet. soc.history.what-if

167 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:41:14am

re: #164 SanFranciscoZionist

This dude was actually up on the Discovery...just saying.

I can understand his opponent's concern, though. It's very hard to beat 'astronaut' for pure cool points.

Well, I lived on a ranch. More than one, even. Just braggin'.

168 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 2:01:22am

Start of today's political rhetoric.

Scott Walker is the "anti-Barack Obama".

[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

O_o The Obama ads will write themselves once the general election starts.

169 EdDantes  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 2:12:49am

re: #120 freetoken

If my ancestor in 1765 England had not stolen pigeons and mutton I would not be here.

170 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 2:52:33am

re: #169 EdDantes

If my ancestor in 1765 England had not stolen pigeons and mutton I would not be here.

I didn't understand eating "squab" until I got over to Europe and realized that the pigeons are about 50% larger than the US versions.

171 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 3:05:04am

re: #169 EdDantes

If my ancestor in 1765 England had not stolen pigeons and mutton I would not be here.

Thus showing that petty larceny is a grand thing.
XD

172 EdDantes  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 3:13:52am

re: #170 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I didn't understand eating "squab" until I got over to Europe and realized that the pigeons are about 50% larger than the US versions.

I'd always considered Pigeons flying rats. But in 18th century England it was another source of protein.

173 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 3:51:13am

re: #172 EdDantes

I'd always considered Pigeons flying rats. But in 18th century England it was another source of protein.

And even farther back. Dovecotes and all that. I have a picture somewhere of an old stone dovecote from Avebury in Wiltshire.

Plus it's a potential construction for manor improvement in the one RPG I play in. Makes sense. Free range birds that you can then harvest for meat and eggs. Sort of like building artificial mounds with the intent that the rabbits will come and settle there.

174 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 4:14:27am

Good Morning.

175 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 4:31:56am

This wasn't easy for me to decide, but, I'm voting for Romney.

176 freetoken  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 4:32:28am

re: #175 Varek Raith

This wasn't easy for me to decide, but, I'm voting for Romney.

Nice try.

177 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 4:32:47am

Son of a...

178 freetoken  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 4:34:59am

re: #177 Varek Raith

Son of a...

Son of a ... amphisbaenian?

179 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 4:36:09am

re: #178 freetoken

Son of a ... amphisbaenian?

Image: chestburster.jpg

Spooky.
/

180 dell*nix  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 4:38:57am

re: #165 freetoken

On the paternal side I have two direct ancestors who were Union infantry. On the maternal side I have a Confederate cavalry/medical service ancestor. One confirmed Rev War vet on the maternal side. Plus one supposedly served with the Swamp Fox, but no proof. Non-direct relatives in the War of 1812 and one with Fannin with the Georgia troops. Plus one or two with the Brits in Rev War. Not looking too close at one or two well known feuds here in Texas.

181 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 4:41:26am

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

Shot.them.in.the.back!

Yeah, they came into his front yard, walking backwards. That happens.

I'm just like ... fucking Wow! And wondering how this is the first time I've heard of it.

The Grand Jury just flat out let this guy off on a double murder. I'm sure the fact that the two dead men were illegal aliens didn't unduly sway the deliberations at all.

Don't worry. It's all OK. The system worked. Trust the authorities and your fellow citizens.//

182 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 4:46:32am

re: #158 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I thought only humans had scary sex, particularly when involving one night stands, prostitutes, and/or uniquely specific fetishes.

Hedgehog sex is very scary.

183 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 4:50:48am

Buck is a one-man shitbrick factory.

184 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:00:21am

Well, I'm off to North Carolina for a week.
Later gators.
:)

185 sagehen  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:00:23am

re: #175 Varek Raith

This wasn't easy for me to decide, but, I'm voting for Romney.

My state won't primary for awhile yet, but I'm hoping Huntsman is on the ballot. If it's just between Romney and and Santorum, maybe I'll vote for a write-in.

186 Dire Straits  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:07:11am

Don't they eat ant hills?

187 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:07:50am

re: #186 Dire Straits

Probably more they eat the ants, than the hills.

189 Dire Straits  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:09:30am

re: #187 Obdicut

They have a dinosaur type of look to them.

190 Dire Straits  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:10:58am

re: #180 dell*nix

On the paternal side I have two direct ancestors who were Union infantry. On the maternal side I have a Confederate cavalry/medical service ancestor. One confirmed Rev War vet on the maternal side. Plus one supposedly served with the Swamp Fox, but no proof. Non-direct relatives in the War of 1812 and one with Fannin with the Georgia troops. Plus one or two with the Brits in Rev War. Not looking too close at one or two well known feuds here in Texas.

IF they were with Fanin they were I am assuming massacred at the Goliad Massacre a few weeks after the Fall of the Alamo.

191 dell*nix  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:19:26am

re: #190 Dire Straits

The relative with Fannin was in medical quarantine and not with the main force. He missed getting captured with the main troop. Several men managed to not get caught or managed to escape. A couple of Fannin's troops were saved by actions of Mexican Army troops who did not like the execution orders.

192 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:22:20am

re: #191 dell*nix

Really a battle of the assholes. Texans fighting to preserve slavery vs. Mexicans executing POWs.

193 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:34:39am

re: #192 Obdicut

Really a battle of the assholes. Texans fighting to preserve slavery vs. Mexicans executing POWs.

Though to the Mexican Army they were executing rebels trying to overthrow the legitimate government of the province.

194 Flounder  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:36:41am

That aardvark is uglier than a hairless cat, bt what the hell do I know. Good morning!

195 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:37:06am

re: #193 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Sure, still, executing people is bad. Miss Manners is agin' it.

196 RogueOne  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:38:20am

Anyone remember this case out of MO?

Missouri Property Searched After Claims of Horrific Sex Abuse, Murder
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

and another link with more details:

Missouri Sex Abuse Case Gets Even More Grotesque
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

I've been waiting for the trial for 2 years but a couple weeks ago they finally got around to dropping the charges:

Missouri prosecutor drops all charges in Mohler family sex case:

[Link: www.columbiamissourian.com...]

KANSAS CITY — A Missouri prosecutor said Wednesday she was dropping all charges against five men accused of sexually molesting young relatives on a western Missouri farm more than 20 years ago, saying she doubted she could convince a jury that the bizarre claims were true.

"Whether or not I believe the allegations is an independent question from whether or not I believe I can prove each and every element of the case beyond a reasonable doubt at trial," prosecutor Kellie Wingate Campbell said after notifying courts in three counties of her action.

197 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:50:23am

re: #194 Tommy's cone of shame

That aardvark is uglier than a hairless cat, bt what the hell do I know.

Like me, you also have no heart. Fellow monstrous freak!

198 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:52:29am

re: #196 RogueOne

Oh, seems like another fake memory/satanic panic incident.

199 Flounder  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:57:32am

re: #197 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

I resemble that remark!
Currently my kids favorite channel is Animal Planet. A show called "Too Cute" documents puppies and kittens from birf to +/- 8 weeks. I'm currently watching a kitten getting sucked out of a drainpipe by a shop vac, hilarious! (especially since I have no heart)

200 RogueOne  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:58:24am

re: #198 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Yeah, sounded straight out of the 80's. The story popped up right around the time of the Scott Brown/Martha Coakley race which is probably why my BS meter got pegged right away. Well, that and they never did find anything close to "evidence".

In case you don't know about the Coakley connection:
A very brief history...
[Link: www.politico.com...]

201 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:01:39am

re: #199 Tommy's cone of shame

Puppies and kittens are cute especially when they investigate something new.

202 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:01:40am

re: #199 Tommy's cone of shame

But kittens and puppies are fluffy! Unlike the monster above! /

203 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:03:50am
204 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:04:39am

re: #203 Obdicut

Yeah, I know. But this is what inspired Giger:

[Link: www.zooborns.com...]

205 Flounder  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:07:50am

I have to head out, I hope everyone has a great day. Update on my hound dog Amedeus, my wife removed the cone of shame and he is very happy. The cone screwed with his vision, so he was kinda whacked out with it on. Now we just put him in my sons old toddler t-shirts to keep him from licking his wound. (He got bit by neighbor dog, twenty staples or so) My username pic will have to change.

206 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:22:57am

re: #193 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Though to the Mexican Army they were executing rebels trying to overthrow the legitimate government of the province.

Any dictator who deos not allow slavery deserves to be overthrown...

207 Tigger2005  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:24:12am

re: #67 ProGunLiberal

I hate reality TV. I heard someone say that the Hunger Games plotline is basically showing the extreme end of Reality TV gone rampant, or something like that.

That's part of it, but it's not a new idea in science fiction; the idea of a death match as reality TV that is. It's been done before in Battle Royale, The Running Man, etc. The Hunger Games has another major element related to today's world that adds to its appeal, the growing gap between the rich and poor. The Capitol takes all the fruits of the 12 districts' labor and gives very little back. In the poorer districts the people are constantly battling starvation while the people of the Capitol indulge in excess.

***SPOILER ALERT***

It's also interesting how, when The Hunger Games moves outside the Arena to depict the rebellion against the Capitol, televised propaganda remains central to the plot. The rebels are aware of its power and use it even more effectively than the Capitol. The war itself, especially as it moves into the streets of the Capitol itself, makes you think of a video game, with the revel soldiers facing horrors conjured up by the same Gamemakers who prepare the Arenas for the tributes.

208 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:38:49am

Teh digital mob is keeping the man down!

//

209 darthstar  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:38:56am

Cute aardvark...does it sound like Jackie Mason when it talks? "Hello ant. I'm going to eat you. Please don't run!"

210 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:39:16am
211 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:40:26am

re: #65 Gus

Tammany would have loved Sarah.

Not really. Tammany Hall ward bosses were expected to know what was going on in their wards. That required being observant and being able to learn, neither of which are qualities Sarah Palin possesses.

212 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:50:15am

re: #193 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Though to the Mexican Army they were executing rebels trying to overthrow the legitimate government of the province.

And they acted in the name of a General who fancied himself a battle-winner of Napoleon's caliber (the Mexican lancers Santa Ana deployed at the Alamo were formed in direct imitation of the Polish Lancers who had fought as part of la Grande Armee), but proceeded to make deployment mistakes at San Jancino that Napoleon would never have made even on his worst day.

213 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:01:38am

Interesting.

Militia Member Drugs and Kills Afghan Colleagues
By FAROOQ JAN MANGAL and MATTHEW ROSENBERG
Published: March 30, 2012

KHOST, Afghanistan — A member of a militia promoted by the American military to protect rural villages drugged his Afghan colleagues and killed at least nine of them as they slept on Friday, a police official said, in the third deadly episode involving the irregular guard force in March.

214 SteelGHAZI  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:03:35am

re: #209 darthstar

Cute aardvark...does it sound like Jackie Mason when it talks? "Hello ant. I'm going to eat you. Please don't run!"

:D

215 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:12:50am

re: #213 Gus

Interesting.

Militia Member Drugs and Kills Afghan Colleagues
By FAROOQ JAN MANGAL and MATTHEW ROSENBERG
Published: March 30, 2012

That sounds more like the Taliban at work. I've been thinking about these incidents, and I think that in cases where Afghans perpetrate this sort of betrayal the Afghan government should execute them summarily. No trial should be held if the killer is caught red-handed. Instead the scumbag should be lead in chains before what remains of his unit, chained to a post, and then executed by shotgun fire; the idea of the last being to produce a mangled corpse as a warning without inflict torture on the terrorist while he is still living.

216 darthstar  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:15:16am

re: #214 Sonic the Hedgehog

Always loved that cartoon.

217 RogueOne  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:16:37am

re: #213 Gus

Interesting.

Militia Member Drugs and Kills Afghan Colleagues
By FAROOQ JAN MANGAL and MATTHEW ROSENBERG
Published: March 30, 2012

Copycat.

218 darthstar  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:18:44am

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

That sounds more like the Taliban at work.

Except that it was someone we promoted ('we' being the good guys, America, fuck yeah!)
A member of a militia promoted by the American military to protect rural villages
That first line is tricky and easy to miss.

219 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:20:49am

“What else has she done? Female, wounded veteran … ehhh,” he continued. “She is nothing more than a handpicked Washington bureaucrat. David Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel just picked her up and dropped her into this district.” -- Rep. Joe Walsh (R-IL)

From Rep. Joe Walsh Is A Big Time A-Hole.

220 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:20:52am

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

Advocating war crimes is always stupid.

221 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:22:28am

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

That sounds more like the Taliban at work. I've been thinking about these incidents, and I think that in cases where Afghans perpetrate this sort of betrayal the Afghan government should execute them summarily. No trial should be held if the killer is caught red-handed. Instead the scumbag should be lead in chains before what remains of his unit, chained to a post, and then executed by shotgun fire; the idea of the last being to produce a mangled corpse as a warning without inflict torture on the terrorist while he is still living.

As long as you agree this should be done to American soldiers in similar circumstances. / not

222 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:23:30am

re: #219 Gus

I really hope he gets his ass kicked in November. He has got to be the most colossal prick in American Politics since Preston Brooks.

223 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:25:44am

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

Not to make a federal case out of this but that's a little over the top don't you think so DF?

224 darthstar  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:28:18am

re: #223 Gus

Not to make a federal case out of this but that's a little over the top don't you think so DF?

Life is just a fantasy.

225 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:33:35am

BRB Going to make a page for Duckworth.

226 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:44:30am

re: #222 ProGunLiberal

I really hope he gets his ass kicked in November. He has got to be the most colossal prick in American Politics since Preston Brooks.

you ain't kidding. I gave money to Peter Roskam when he ran against Duckworth, but that was a pro-Roskam action (Roskam does his job well). Walsh is a disgrace and the only Republican in Illinois I've specifically told my father not to give money to. I don't say this often, but 8th District is one of a very few cases in my life where I hope a Republican gets his ass kicked up between his shoulder blades.

227 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:50:47am

re: #220 Obdicut

Advocating war crimes is always stupid.

If there is any doubt about guilt, then by all means I support a trial. And in sober point of fact I wouldn't advocate doing what I suggested more than once. But I feel that some kind of example has to be made of one of these dirtbags who kill their comrades, and the best sort of example in a case like this is to kill one of them publicly and brutally.

228 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:51:12am

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

There is always doubt about guilt.

229 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:51:30am

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

If there is any doubt about guilt, then by all means I support a trial. And in sober point of fact I wouldn't advocate doing what I suggested more than once. But I feel that some kind of example has to be made of one of these dirtbags who kill their comrades, and the best sort of example in a case like this is to kill one of them publicly and brutally.

So you support doing that to Bales, right?

230 sagehen  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:52:38am

re: #225 Gus

BRB Going to make a page for Duckworth.

she is pretty damn impressive....

231 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:52:47am

re: #229 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

So you support doing that to Bales, right?

Yes, absolutely. If he's convicted, then execute him by firing squad with shotguns. I'm fine with that idea.

232 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:53:21am

re: #231 Dark_Falcon

Yes, absolutely. If he's convicted, then execute him by firing squad with shotguns. I'm fine with that idea.

Without trial, of course.

233 darthstar  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:54:09am

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

And in sober point of fact I wouldn't advocate doing what I suggested more than once.

Chaining a guy to a post in front of his comrades and shooting him with a shotgun a second time would be cruel.

234 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:54:34am

Done

Rep. Joe Walsh (R-IL) Insults Service and Wounds of Double Amputee Iraq War Veteran

I'm sure someone already posted something but I add some color to the report.

235 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:55:18am

re: #230 sagehen

she is pretty damn impressive...

...

Duckworth lost the lower part of both legs from injuries sustained on November 12, 2004, when the UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter she was co-piloting was hit by a rocket propelled grenade fired by Iraqi insurgents. The explosion “almost completely destroyed her right arm, breaking it in three places and tearing tissue from the back side of it.” Duckworth received a Purple Heart on December 3 and was promoted to Major on December 21 at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center, where she was presented with an Air Medal and Army Commendation Medal.

236 darthstar  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:57:31am

re: #231 Dark_Falcon

Yes, absolutely. If he's convicted, then execute him by firing squad with shotguns. I'm fine with that idea.

Again with the shotguns? You do realize that firing squads have traditionally used rifles, don't you? Maybe we should execute people with RPGs...that'll REALLY teach 'em a lesson.

237 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:59:36am

re: #232 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Without trial, of course.

No, that last was to be reserved for one killer caught in the act. And it was not a good idea. The shotgun part still stands, though.

238 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:00:15am

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

No, that last was to be reserved for one killer caught in the act. And it was not a good idea. The shotgun part still stands, though.

OK, at least you acknowledge it was not a good idea.

239 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:01:26am

re: #238 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

OK, at least you acknowledge it was not a good idea.

Like PLL, sometimes I get very pissed off and my anger gets the better of me.

240 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:02:42am

BBL I need to get going.

241 darthstar  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:04:44am

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

No, that last was to be reserved for one killer caught in the act. And it was not a good idea. The shotgun part still stands, though.

How close? Ten feet? That would pretty much guarantee pieces of skull flying off the guy's head. Or maybe 25 yards with bird shot...though that would be like hunting with Dick Cheney though and it would take several shots to bring the guy down. I'm guessing your fantasy is the big red splash of blood and guts...

242 RogueOne  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:07:12am

Speaking of bad ideas:

A Crime to Use “Any Electronic or Digital Device” “And Use Any Obscene, Lewd or Profane Language” “With Intent to … Offend”?
[Link: volokh.com...]

That’s what Arizona HB 2549, which was just passed by both houses (though not yet signed by the Governor) provides, in relevant part:


It is unlawful for any person, with intent to terrify, intimidate, threaten, harass, annoy or offend, to use a telephone ANY ELECTRONIC OR DIGITAL DEVICE and use any obscene, lewd or profane language or suggest any lewd or lascivious act, or threaten to inflict physical harm to the person or property of any person.

........
So, under the statute, posting a comment to a newspaper article — or a blog — saying that the article or post author is “fucking out of line” would be a crime: It’s said with intent to offend, it uses an electronic or digital device, and it uses what likely will be seen as profane language (see, e.g., City of Columbia Falls v. Bennett (Mont. 1991)). Likewise if a blog poster were to post the same in response to a commenter’s comment. Likewise if someone posts something in response to an e-mail on an e-mail-based discussion list, or in a chatroom, or wherever else. (Note that if “profane” is read to mean not vulgarly insulting, but instead religiously offensive, see City of Bellevue v. Lorang (Wash. 2000), then the statute would be unconstitutional as well.)

You folks in AZ better watch your fucking mouths, I'm easily offended.

243 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:08:44am

re: #242 RogueOne

Conservatives strike again, huh.

244 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:10:06am

re: #243 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Conservatives strike again, huh.

Patriots.

245 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:10:51am

re: #244 Gus

*cue the Ds voted for it too excuse*

246 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:11:16am

re: #242 RogueOne

Arizona plan for success:

1. Pass hyperconservative law. This can either be in glibertarian or socon format, your choice.

2. Law is struck down with prejudice in court after you waste a lot of money dealing with it.

3. Blather about how the federal government is not allowing you/forcing you to do something you do/don't want.

4. Get campaign contributes, sell books, get speakers fees.

5. Profit!

It's a full underpants-gnome.

247 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:11:23am

re: #245 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

*cue the Ds voted for it too excuse*

Roll out Tipper Gore man!

248 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:11:52am

re: #247 Gus

She's the Sharpton-Jackson of old!

249 RogueOne  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:12:22am

re: #243 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Conservatives strike again, huh.

It passed 58-1 and 30-0.......That annoys me. If they voted electronically I think I'm now entitled to sue.

250 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:12:49am

re: #248 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

She's the Sharpton-Jackson of old!

Handy like Robert Byrd!

251 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:13:21am

re: #249 RogueOne

It passed 58-1 and 30-0...That annoys me. If they voted electronically I think I'm now entitled to sue.

Yeah, I said conservatives, not Republicans.

252 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:15:16am

One of the friends who is advising me on the girl is herself engaged (got so back in October).

Her Wedding Date is December 21st, 2012. I am very happy she found her match in life. Also making me happy is the fact she is thumbing her nose at the Mayan Prophecy jagoffs.

253 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:15:37am

Worst Album Covers of All Time

(few pics of boobs)

(hell, they're all boobs)

254 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:16:21am

re: #251 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Yeah, I said conservatives, not Republicans.

Just another reason not to relocate to Arizona?

255 darthstar  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:17:40am

re: #252 ProGunLiberal

One of the friends who is advising me on the girl is herself engaged (got so back in October).

Her Wedding Date is December 21st, 2012. I am very happy she found her match in life. Also making me happy is the fact she is thumbing her nose at the Mayan Prophecy jagoffs.

Please suggest this to her as a first dance song.

256 darthstar  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:18:40am

re: #253 Kronocide

Worst Album Covers of All Time

(few pics of boobs)

(hell, they're all boobs)

Saw that the other day...pretty funny stuff, some of it.

257 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:19:22am

re: #255 darthstar

I might just do that. I was curious what you song you had linked to, and this one properly amuses me.

258 darthstar  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:22:16am

re: #257 ProGunLiberal

I might just do that. I was curious what you song you had linked to, and this one properly amuses me.

Maybe not for the first dance, but definitely in the first few. My wife and I danced to Tupelo Honey followed by Ring of Fire.

259 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:27:16am
260 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:29:17am

re: #259 Gus

So they basically forged a recording. What a swell bunch of guys.

261 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:30:45am

re: #260 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Mass media in the US is such a damn joke. You can count the number of good journalists with any sort of national recognition on one hand.

262 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:33:58am

re: #260 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

So they basically forged a recording. What a swell bunch of guys.

I never heard the Today version. Only heard the correct version all along.

263 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:40:48am

dingalanche

264 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:41:15am

re: #263 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

dingalanche

Who that? I don't have spy open.

265 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:41:43am

re: #264 Gus

Nah, nothing special.

266 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:42:21am

re: #260 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

So they basically forged a recording. What a swell bunch of guys.

Pretty stupid. Not the journalistic crime Hannity thinks it is.

267 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:42:38am

re: #265 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Nah, nothing special.

OK. In other news! Hope this thing goes to trial soon before it gets even more out of hand.

268 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:45:01am

re: #266 Kronocide

Pretty stupid. Not the journalistic crime Hannity thinks it is.

...

This's state run media. Was this edit ordered from the #obama admin? NBC to investigate Zimmerman story on ‘Today’ show

True Tweet.

269 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:47:10am

re: #266 Kronocide

Oh, it absolutely is bad. Of course, Hannity et al. will instrumentalize it.

270 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:47:47am

Hannity is shocked by selective editing?

Only because it concerns race. Their bread and butter, race incitement.

271 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:48:03am

re: #269 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Oh, it absolutely is bad. Of course, Hannity et al. will instrumentalize it.

Yep. It was bad. But now I'll have to be on an NBC Today Show "apology tour."

//

272 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:49:54am

re: #268 Gus

...

True Tweet.

Ugh. I'm mad at NBC for providing fodder to the Usual Lamestream Media Hounds just as much for the questionable editing.

I didn't see the Today Show segment until the last few hours. But saying 'he looks black' is not evidence of racial profiling.

273 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:52:36am

re: #272 Kronocide

Ugh. I'm mad at NBC for providing fodder to the Usual Lamestream Media Hounds just as much for the questionable editing.

I didn't see the Today Show segment until the last few hours. But saying 'he looks black' is not evidence of racial profiling.

In the context it was pronounced, it isn't. In NBC's forgery it is:

This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.

274 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:53:30am

re: #269 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Oh, it absolutely is bad. Of course, Hannity et al. will instrumentalize it.

I think it's bad, but not in the way Hannity is making it out to be. If NBC was attempting to create pretense of racial profiling to the level Hannity made it out to be, they failed at it.

So any way you look at it, NBC failed.

275 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:54:50am

re: #273 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

In the context it was pronounced, it isn't. In NBC's forgery it is:

Today Show version:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.

Actual version:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.

276 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:55:29am

re: #275 Gus

Today Show version:

Actual version:

Hispanic!

277 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:55:47am

re: #273 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

In the context it was pronounced, it isn't. In NBC's forgery it is:

Yah, I'm watching it again.

278 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:57:05am

My Today Show edit invalidates your argument!

//

279 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:57:10am

Of course, NBC's foibles don't mean anything in regard to the actual case.

280 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:57:15am

re: #275 Gus

That's bad. Ugh.

281 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:58:22am

Thank you, NBC, for improving the discourse. //

282 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:01:40am

re: #281 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Thank you, NBC, for improving the discourse. //

Oh. This is just hitting the blogs this morning. It'll blow over without any notice from the usual suspects.

//

283 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:02:57am

Thank you NBC for becoming 'The Mainstream Media' and giving Hannity/Bozell a crapton of fodder to evangelize against the Mainstream Media.

(Even though they're the real Blamestream Media)

(Which makes Palin right, NBC is the Lamestream Media)

Oh snap.

284 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:04:30am

re: #283 Kronocide

Thank you NBC for becoming 'The Mainstream Media' and giving Hannity/Bozell a crapton of fodder to evangelize against the Mainstream Media.

(Even though they're the real Blamestream Media)

(Which makes Palin right, NBC is the Lamestream Media)

Oh snap.

Yeah but she's going to guest host the Today Show on Tuesday.

285 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:09:34am

re: #284 Gus

Yeah but she's going to guest host the Today Show on Tuesday.

GET.THE.FUCK.OUT.

I was just reading about that.... weird.

Palin hosts The Lamestream Today Show

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin will be the guest hosting on NBC's "Today" show this Tuesday.

"I see this as a good opportunity to bring an independent, common-sense conservative perspective to NBC. We’re 'going rogue' and infiltrating some turf for a day,” Palin told Breitbart News.

Meanwhile this week, Katie Couric will be filling in for Robin Roberts on ABC's "Good Morning America." Palin and Couric squared off in that controversial interview on the 2008 campaign trail.

Palin had a brief response to Breitbart News's request for comment about the fact that she will be competing with Couric: "Game on."

286 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:09:57am

re: #283 Kronocide

Thank you NBC for becoming 'The Mainstream Media' and giving Hannity/Bozell a crapton of fodder to evangelize against the Mainstream Media.

(Even though they're the real Blamestream Media)

(Which makes Palin right, NBC is the Lamestream Media)

Oh snap.

Is the Today show NBC? Cause Sister Sarah is a guest host on Today on Tuesday. Perfect!

287 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:10:39am

re: #284 Gus

re: #285 Kronocide

SO LOL

288 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:10:50am

re: #286 Hoodies for Justice. T

Is the Today show NBC? Cause Sister Sarah is a guest host on Today on Tuesday. Perfect!

I guess that make the Today Show "fair and balanced." There's a joke in here somewhere.

289 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:11:00am

Lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta what have yous

290 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:12:06am

Of course when conservatives say they're common sense, they're being elitist.

291 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:12:27am

On another note, one of my housemates is pretty much a fucking comedian. I'm listening to him call all of his peeps (he started with A) with some outrageous April fools jokes now.

292 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:15:49am

Some of the calls: "I need some advice from you, and you are such a good friend that I appreciate what you say" then onto some crazy ass situation. The other person is freaking out. He goes on and on with some crazy story, says April fools and hangs up. They call back yelling. Funny as shit.

293 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:16:03am
294 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:17:18am

Word Salad Elitist

295 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:18:13am

re: #293 Gus

"Half-white biologically! Yet, he's all BLACK mentally."

Man oh man there are some seriously derpy people out there.

296 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:19:01am

re: #295 Gus

"Half-white biologically! Yet, he's all BLACK mentally."

Man oh man there are some seriously derpy people out there.

what racism?

297 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:20:38am

re: #296 Hoodies for Justice. T

what racism?

Right. That's some serious white supremacy shit going on there. They need to be themselves and start using the n-word because you know that's what they're thinking.

298 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:20:58am

re: #295 Gus

"Half-white biologically! Yet, he's all BLACK mentally."

Man oh man there are some seriously derpy people out there.

Look who she follows! She has no clue

[Link: twitter.com...]

299 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:23:05am

re: #298 Hoodies for Justice. T

Look who she follows! She has no clue

[Link: twitter.com...]

Funny. Most everything else is some right-wing Christian outfit. Right, Christian. Uh huh. "Half white biologically" is a Christian teaching.

300 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:24:10am

Wow. Soledad O'Brien really touched the rw media's butthole, didn't she? They willl never let her forget it.

302 Lidane  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:28:28am

re: #295 Gus

"Half-white biologically! Yet, he's all BLACK mentally."

WTF does that even mean?

I seriously don't understand this kind of racist derp. And she claims to be a Christian. The hell?

303 Lidane  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:29:33am

re: #300 Kronocide

Wow. Soledad O'Brien really touched the rw media's butthole, didn't she? They willl never let her forget it.

I hope she keeps doing it. Anything that pisses off the RWNJs is a good thing.

304 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:30:08am

re: #301 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

yaooza

Image: tumblr___50_.jpg

the little avatar so stood out, I knew something was WRONG.

305 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:30:44am

re: #302 Lidane

WTF does that even mean?

I seriously don't understand this kind of racist derp. And she claims to be a Christian. The hell?

Just another member of the Kloseted Khristian Klan. Funny how Breitbart.com seems to attract a lot of those.

306 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:31:09am

re: #303 Lidane

I hope she keeps doing it. Anything that pisses off the RWNJs is a good thing.

Ironic in that she was doing her job and asking the questions... and now NBC does this stupid crap.

307 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:31:56am
308 Lidane  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:32:47am

re: #306 Kronocide

Ironic in that she was doing her job and asking the questions... and now NBC does this stupid crap.

She was asking the wrong questions, apparently.

It's a bumper sticker cliche, but it's true -- the media in this country is only as liberal as the conservative corporations that own them.

309 Lidane  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:37:02am

Quick! Someone remind Geraldo Rivera that this is an April Fool's prank before he hyperventilates:

Technomancer Digital Wizard Hoodie

Heh.

310 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:38:52am

OK, where are all the April 1st pranks?

311 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:39:14am

re: #309 Lidane

Quick! Someone remind Geraldo Rivera that this is an April Fool's prank before he hyperventilates:

Technomancer Digital Wizard Hoodie

Heh.

George Zimmerman wore a hoodie that night.

312 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:40:37am

Anti-capitalist battles injure 15 police in Frankfurt

At least 15 German police officers were injured, one seriously, during rioting that lasted into Sunday morning, following an anti-capitalist protest in Frankfurt, police said.

Demonstrators threw paint bombs at the European Central Bank and attacked emergency vehicles on Saturday in violence which escalated after police tried to arrest several protesters in the heart of Germany's financial capital.

Battles stretched through the night and one officer was taken to intensive care after being singled out by a handful of demonstrators. Officers who went to his aid were met with massive violence, police said.

313 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:42:20am

re: #310 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

OK, where are all the April 1st pranks?

My housemate is destroying all his friends. It's quite hilarious.

314 Lidane  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:42:50am

Also, for the Skyrim nerds around here:

Skyrim Electronic Dragon Shout Hoodie

315 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:45:59am

re: #313 Hoodies for Justice. T

My housemate is destroying all his friends. It's quite hilarious.

Gotta share. This dude is white bread. He told one guy that he got involved with these dudes with a truck and tried to yank an ATM machine from a gas station. They got caught. Come to jail & get me out please. The person freaked out.

I'm having a very very humorous morn.

316 Interesting Times  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:47:26am
317 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:49:23am
318 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:49:51am

re: #317 Kronocide

Actually, this may be worth the watch.

319 Interesting Times  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:50:56am

re: #317 Kronocide

"Apologize"? Or yet another heap of bullshit "sorry if you were offended by my lifesaving commentary" crap?

At any rate, the entire Faux News network owes the Martin family an apology.

320 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:51:18am
321 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:52:12am
322 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:00:17am
323 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:02:41am

re: #322 Kronocide

Suddenly people care what Brooks Bayne thinks. I know, I got in that mess too from the Sandra Fluke thing. He's such a wanker-shredder-too old to be a hipster dufus.

324 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:02:53am

re: #319 Interesting Times

"Apologize"? Or yet another heap of bullshit "sorry if you were offended by my lifesaving commentary" crap?

At any rate, the entire Faux News network owes the Martin family an apology.

And that I hope happens. And that the Fox trolls see the face of the parents.

325 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:03:33am

re: #322 Kronocide

Are there people who are so clueless they don't believe white privilege exists?

326 Lidane  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:07:53am

re: #325 Obdicut

Are there people who are so clueless they don't believe white privilege exists?

Yes. They're the ones who claim that minorities are the real racists for pointing out that white privilege exists.

327 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:08:24am

re: #325 Obdicut

Are there people who are so clueless they don't believe white privilege exists?

I don't think they're clueless, they're in denial or full of it. I think the first sign is offense at the Great Black Privilege of being able to say the N-Word.

The first rule of White Clue: there is no White Club.

The second rule of White Club: there is no White Club

The third rule of White Club: black people say the N-Word, whaaaahhh.

328 jaunte  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:08:48am

re: #325 Obdicut

Jim Webb: [Link: www.outsidethebeltway.com...]

329 Amory Blaine  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:10:31am

re: #319 Interesting Times

"Apologize"? Or yet another heap of bullshit "sorry if you were offended by my lifesaving commentary" crap?

At any rate, the entire Faux News network owes the Martin family an apology.

Fuck the apology. They push for ratings among their troglodyte audience by smearing the boy then they push for ratings by issuing an apology. There is no apology acceptable FOX could make.

Watch, Geraldo will offer a half assed apology, then at the top of the hour, the network will have more race baiting bashing.

330 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:10:49am

re: #327 Kronocide

Yeah, that's what I figure, mostly. It takes some serious delusion to look around at this nation and somehow conclude that white people are at disadvantage.

331 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:11:50am

Buck is an Energizer bunny. Still going.

332 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:12:25am

re: #330 Obdicut

Yeah, that's what I figure, mostly. It takes some serious delusion to look around at this nation and somehow conclude that white people are at disadvantage.

The newest 'I have a black friend' defense: we have a black president.

333 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:12:36am

re: #331 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Buck is an Energizer bunny. Still going.

He's like one of those USENET guys that wakes up in the morning thinking about his latest internet feud.

334 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:13:45am

Damn you all!

[shakes fist]

//

335 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:14:04am

re: #331 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

I think he's trying for the internet's pathetic moment. When he revealed that the reason he believed in the historicity of the bible because of disproved claims by an extremely-out-of-date explicitly evangelical professor and a couple of actual creationists, I thought he was close to it.

336 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:14:10am

re: #334 Gus

Damn you all!

[shakes fist]

//

Alzheimer's? /

337 Amory Blaine  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:14:15am

re: #289 Kronocide

Lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta what have yous

He he. Watched that this weekend.

338 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:14:32am

Or was it Parkinson's? I forget. /

339 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:17:21am

re: #338 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Or was it Parkinson's? I forget. /

Fundie.

//

340 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:17:59am

Birth of a Right Wing Meme:

WeazelZippers:

NAACP-Led Protesters Compare Death Of Trayvon Martin To Jesus Dying On The Cross…

....links to Newser:
Sanford March Compares Trayvon to Jesus Christ

(Newser) – Leaders from the NAACP and other groups led a massive crowd through the streets of Sanford, Florida, today to demand the arrest of George Zimmerman—and deny reports of an economic boycott, the Orlando Sentinel reports. "We want an arrest, shot in the chest," chanted the crowd, which MSNBC estimated in the thousands. They stopped outside police headquarters for speeches and a benediction comparing Trayvon Martin's death to that of Jesus Christ.

I've watched the MSNBC video twice, an interview with Ben Jealous. Nothing about Jesus Christ.

Who's inciting racial tensions again?

341 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:20:59am

re: #340 Kronocide

Birth of a Right Wing Meme:

WeazelZippers:

NAACP-Led Protesters Compare Death Of Trayvon Martin To Jesus Dying On The Cross…

...links to Newser:
Sanford March Compares Trayvon to Jesus Christ

I've watched the MSNBC video twice, an interview with Ben Jealous. Nothing about Jesus Christ.

Who's inciting racial tensions again?

The scared racists. I bet we can find many parallels in the civil rights movement. Same shit from the same racists, trying so hard to cover their asses.

342 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:22:49am

Karma: -10,029

*popping champagne*

343 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:24:11am

re: #342 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Karma: -10,029

*popping champagne*

That's a lot of work.

344 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:24:25am

re: #342 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Karma: -10,029

*popping champagne*

A Chateau Fundie Brut I hope.

//

345 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:26:39am

re: #341 Hoodies for Justice. T

The scared racists. I bet we can find many parallels in the civil rights movement. Same shit from the same racists, trying so hard to cover their asses.

They're scared of black people getting pissed. They sure are now, and how can you blame them? The incident is loaded with racial tension. Black people talking about racial tension is not causing racial tension, it's dealing with it. Many of them get really charged and may say some crazy or impractical crap, but give them a couple of hundred years of slack. It's their right and totally understandable.

Denying the black worldview is today's unspoken Jim Crow meme.

346 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:26:48am

re: #343 Shvaughn

That's a lot of work.

Yes. I want to congratulate everybody for the hard toil. We did it!

347 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:28:29am

OK, NSFW:

Image: t_16247.jpg

348 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:30:31am

CSM on the journalistic ethics of Rev. Al
Trayvon Martin: With call for sanctions, is Al Sharpton crossing a line?

“Punishing me and the rest of downtown for something? No,” wine merchant Ken Martin told Fox. “We don't do that to you, why do that to us?”
....especially in the case of Sharpton, the much-documented ideological polarization of the media has blurred the lines between reporting on those protests and leading them. Business owners in Sanford say they're already dealing with empty shopping aisles and restaurant tables amid the fallout from the Trayvon Martin case and the media spotlight focused on their town.

"People in Sanford are afraid," insurance company owner Steven Lucas told the Orlando Sentinel. "It feels like something is about to happen, and they're holding onto their money."

To some observers, like the Poynter Institute's Kelly McBride, Sharpton's role and MSNBC's support is in part defensible, since few people, given Sharpton's long history in the public spotlight, view him as a professional journalist. Others have said Sharpton's role in the protest has not made his show controversial, but simply predictable.

Yet the image of a major cable news host possibly instigating a boycott for racial justice that could have broad economic repercussions is likely to further fuel the debate over the media's role in social unrest.

“Sharpton's dual role would have been unthinkable on television 20 years ago and still wouldn't be allowed at many news organizations,” writes David Bauer of the Associated Press.

349 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:30:45am

Even if somebody invoked 'Trayvon = Jesus' rhetoric, it doesn't change much at all. This is a very charged situation and emotions are running high. Sometimes you just understand and cut people some slack.

Denying them that accommodation is being ignorant of their situation, or worse, denying them their voice by ridiculing or mocking them over a real grievance.

350 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:32:32am

re: #348 Killgore Trout

Given that the TM story went big without any input from Sharpton, he should STFU. He plays a role of a stumbling block, nothing else.

351 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:32:47am

re: #348 Killgore Trout

CSM on the journalistic ethics of Rev. Al
Trayvon Martin: With call for sanctions, is Al Sharpton crossing a line?

One gets the feeling that Sharpton's critics have never seen Fox News before.

(And in any case, Sharpton wasn't hired as a journalist anyway, I'm pretty sure!)

352 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:37:57am

New RW Meme: Piers Morgan 'destroys' Toure.

Suddenly Piers Morgan is BFF with Piers. Funny.

353 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:41:18am

Oh this is hilarious. I've been Tweeting this:

Look at what I just came across:

April Fools? I doubt it. I'm sure he's caught some heat for that first Tweet.

354 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:41:35am

Trolling is a art.

Image: uxO8Y.jpg

Happy April 1st.

355 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:42:16am

re: #350 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Given that the TM story went big without any input from Sharpton, he should STFU. He plays a role of a stumbling block, nothing else.

Pretty much. I think he's a dope and probably counterproductive even without the journalistic ethics debate. It is an interesting question about how much journalists should be involved in the stories the cover but I think it's a trend that's here to stay. Fox promoted the Tea Party, some news outlets were careful about their reporters assisting and covering OWS but others weren't.
I don;t think activist journalism is a very good idea but it's a trend that's here to stay for a while.

356 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:43:07am

re: #351 Shvaughn

One gets the feeling that Sharpton's critics have never seen Fox News before.

(And in any case, Sharpton wasn't hired as a journalist anyway, I'm pretty sure!)

The article does discuss Fox as part of the trend.

357 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:43:21am

re: #352 Kronocide

New RW Meme: Piers Morgan 'destroys' Toure.

Suddenly Piers Morgan is BFF with Piers. Funny.

When a right winger has a confrontation with a left winger, it simply doesn't matter how humiliatingly bad the right winger behaves, or who actually "wins" the debate -- the wingnut audience will invariably start hooting and gibbering that the left winger was "destroyed," "crushed," "smacked down," etc. etc.

358 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:44:08am

re: #351 Shvaughn

One gets the feeling that Sharpton's critics have never seen Fox News before.

(And in any case, Sharpton wasn't hired as a journalist anyway, I'm pretty sure!)

Seriously:

some are concerned that the new phenomenon of personality-driven news activism is inappropriate and could affect innocent bystanders.

New phenomenon?

Who, exactly, be those "some?" Hannity, Huckabee, and Palin, perchance? How about Joe the Plumber?

359 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:45:49am

re: #358 Talking Point Detective

Seriously:

New phenomenon?

Who, exactly, be those "some?" Hannity, Huckabee, and Palin, perchance? How about Joe the Plumber

Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs...

But yeah. Suddenly Al Sharpton is "unheard of" and "would have been unheard of 20 years ago!" What?

360 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:47:27am

re: #359 Gus

Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs...

But yeah. Suddenly Al Sharpton is "unheard of" and "would have been unheard of 20 years ago!" What?

When an outspoken black man does it, it's awful! It's racial! It's inflaming racial tensions!

361 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:47:41am

re: #355 Killgore Trout

I don;t think activist journalism is a very good idea but it's a trend that's here to stay for a while.

Do you think all journalists/loudmouths/median figures should be "silenced," or just Sharpton? How about Limbaugh? What makes Sharpton a "journalist" more than Limbaugh?

362 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:48:41am

re: #361 Talking Point Detective

Do you think all journalists/loudmouths/median figures should be "silenced," or just Sharpton? How about Limbaugh? What makes Sharpton a "journalist" more than Limbaugh?

Maybe Killgore will start a campaign to get Sharpton's sponsors to drop him.

//

363 jaunte  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:49:15am

re: #325 Obdicut

Are there people who are so clueless they don't believe white privilege exists?

Piers Morgan gave a good representation of the mindset when he had
Toure´on.

364 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:50:30am

re: #355 Killgore Trout

Pretty much. I think he's a dope and probably counterproductive even without the journalistic ethics debate. It is an interesting question about how much journalists should be involved in the stories the cover but I think it's a trend that's here to stay. Fox promoted the Tea Party, some news outlets were careful about their reporters assisting and covering OWS but others weren't.
I don;t think activist journalism is a very good idea but it's a trend that's here to stay for a while.

If you don't like to hear what Al Sharpton has to say then change the channel. Right?

365 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:51:03am

re: #359 Gus

Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs...

But yeah. Suddenly Al Sharpton is "unheard of" and "would have been unheard of 20 years ago!" What?

I like the clip of Hannity speaking about people deciding on the case before the facts are in - because it amounts to race-baiting and stoking the fires of racial animosity.

Can't remember if that was before or after he detailed the unverified claims of Zimmerman's father about the events, and played Zimmerman's "concern" about Obama's "hatred."

366 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:52:20am

re: #364 Gus

If you don't like to hear what Al Sharpton has to say then change the channel. Right?

Right. I don't think it's a helpful trend in journalism so I tend to avoid it.

367 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:53:33am

re: #363 jaunte

Piers Morgan gave a good representation of the mindset when he had
Toure´on.

Piers Morgan is a complete asshole.

368 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:54:00am

re: #366 Killgore Trout

Right. I don't think it's a helpful trend in journalism so I tend to avoid it.

Everyone turns to alarmism these day. It's a trend but compared to days gone by it's rather civilized. Just take a quick look back to William Randolph Hearst.

369 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:54:03am

re: #365 Talking Point Detective

I like the clip of Hannity speaking about people deciding on the case before the facts are in - because it amounts to race-baiting and stoking the fires of racial animosity.

Can't remember if that was before or after he detailed the unverified claims of Zimmerman's father about the events, and played Zimmerman's "concern" about Obama's "hatred."

Oh, and lest I forget, this was the same segment where they talked about the librul press and Congresspeople race-baiting, and then played a tape of someone from the NBPP - as if that were a member of the librul media and/or Congress speaking.

370 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:54:20am

Me: Sharpton needs to STFU.

Killgore: pretty much.

Question to Killgore: does Limbaugh need to STFU?

371 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:54:34am

re: #362 Shvaughn

Maybe Killgore will start a campaign to get Sharpton's sponsors to drop him.

//

I'll only boycott if Fox and the Heritage foundation start a viral internet campaign under the false pretext that it's a grass roots effort.
/

372 jaunte  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:54:40am

re: #367 Obdicut


No kidding. So Touré was right, it was a softball interview.

373 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:54:52am

re: #370 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Me: Sharpton needs to STFU.

Killgore: pretty much.

Question to Killgore: does Limbaugh need to STFU?

You! STFU

//

374 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:55:03am

re: #366 Killgore Trout

Right. I don't think it's a helpful trend in journalism so I tend to avoid it.

You tend to avoid it? How do you avoid something by focusing a lot of attention on it?

375 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:55:54am

re: #370 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Question to Killgore: does Limbaugh need to STFU?

I don't really care either way.

376 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:57:19am

re: #370 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Me: Sharpton needs to STFU.

Killgore: pretty much.

Question to Killgore: does Limbaugh need to STFU?

Why does Sharpton need to STFU, and in particular, as differentiated by Limbaugh?

Is there something to be gained by Sharpton SingTFU? Would something be different if he did? Less racial animosity, perhaps?

377 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:57:41am

re: #374 Talking Point Detective

You tend to avoid it? How do you avoid something by focusing a lot of attention on it?

Because I find it an interesting trend in journalism. I avoid it by not watching his show or taking him seriously as a source for news and information.

378 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:58:13am

re: #376 Talking Point Detective

Why does Sharpton need to STFU, and in particular, as differentiated by Limbaugh?

Is there something to be gained by Sharpton SingTFU? Would something be different if he did? Less racial animosity, perhaps?

That's my question to KT.

379 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:59:32am

re: #375 Killgore Trout

I don't really care either way.

So you don't care about Limbaugh, but "pretty much" agree that Sharpton needs to STFU. Why?

380 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:59:35am

re: #376 Talking Point Detective

Why does Sharpton need to STFU, and in particular, as differentiated by Limbaugh?

Is there something to be gained by Sharpton SingTFU? Would something be different if he did? Less racial animosity, perhaps?

I don't care if he shuts up either nor am I surprised that he's using his show to promote his causes. That's part of the reason MSNBC hired him so I'm not surprised by it at all.

381 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:00:52am

Since this is a live thread: does anybody here beside Buck think that "fundie" is a bigoted word?

382 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:01:54am

re: #377 Killgore Trout

Because I find it an interesting trend in journalism. I avoid it by not watching his show or taking him seriously as a source for news and information.

I'm trying to square this with focusing a lot of attention on the how "the media" stokes racial animosity. You did say something to that effect, did you not? And you do focus a lot of attention on it, don't you?

I'm not defending anything specific that Sharpton has said or done. I'm asking why you're in bed with the frightwing on this whole "the media/Shartpon is race-baiting" meme.

383 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:02:08am

re: #379 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

So you don't care about Limbaugh, but "pretty much" agree that Sharpton needs to STFU. Why?

I don't think Sharpton should be silenced. I thinks he's unhelpful, as is Rush, but I'm not surprised to see either use their platforms to advocate for their causes.

384 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:03:07am

Well:

Well, we are still friends, but she doesn't feel the same way.

:/

385 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:03:27am

re: #381 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Since this is a live thread: does anybody here beside Buck think that "fundie" is a bigoted word?

Not here. If someone's called a fundie it's because they have warm and fuzzy feelings over the person. Hence, Bryan Fischer is a fundie. It also crosses religions and sects.

386 jaunte  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:03:37am

re: #381 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Is it a lefty fundie or a righty fundie?

387 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:04:20am

re: #384 ProGunLiberal

Is more often the result than not. Take it in stride. A limited amount of listening to maudlin songs from the '80s is allowed.

388 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:04:54am

re: #386 jaunte

Is it a lefty fundie or a righty fundie?

1. Just fundie, of any political or (non)-religious persuasion.

2. A Christian Right Biblical fundamentalist.

389 Digital Display  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:05:10am

I want what every American wants.. preferential treatment
/Homer Simpson

390 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:05:36am

re: #381 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Since this is a live thread: does anybody here beside Buck think that "fundie" is a bigoted word?

It's used as a basically undifferentiated derogatory characterization. Is someone like Jim Wallis, or other liberal evangelicals a fundie?

391 jaunte  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:05:44am

re: #388 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Sounds like a stretch for the victim's mantle.

392 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:05:49am

re: #381 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Since this is a live thread: does anybody here beside Buck think that "fundie" is a bigoted word?

Nope.

393 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:06:52am

re: #381 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Since this is a live thread: does anybody here beside Buck think that "fundie" is a bigoted word?

That's an interesting question with no solid answer. I've used it here plenty of times myself along with moonbat, wingnut, etc. I've stopped using it as much as the atmosphere here has changed because I'm a little uncomfortable with the tone of how others have used it which does on occasion go a little too far for my taste.

394 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:07:03am

re: #390 Talking Point Detective

It's used as a basically undifferentiated derogatory characterization. Is someone like Jim Wallis, or other liberal evangelicals a fundie?

Don't really know him. But I would guess anything religiously "liberal" is not "fundie".

395 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:08:05am

re: #393 Killgore Trout

The tone, or the choice of subjects? (I.e., wrong use.)

396 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:08:11am

re: #383 Killgore Trout

I don't think Sharpton should be silenced. I thinks he's unhelpful, as is Rush, but I'm not surprised to see either use their platforms to advocate for their causes.

So, you're making a distinction between him SingTFU and him being silenced - I guess the distinction relating to the passive/active aspect of the verb choice?

Is boycotting Limbaugh, or lobbying to get him off the air, really "silencing" him? Would you expect that Limbaugh would stop speaking should such efforts be successful (which we all know they won't be)?

397 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:08:44am

Is 'liberal' a pejorative? 'Right Winger?'

Buck is grasping.

398 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:09:22am

re: #393 Killgore Trout

That's an interesting question with no solid answer. I've used it here plenty of times myself along with moonbat, wingnut, etc. I've stopped using it as much as the atmosphere here has changed because I'm a little uncomfortable with the tone of how others have used it which does on occasion go a little too far for my taste.

Funny.

399 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:09:50am

Moonbat and wingnut are pejorative, but not bigoted.

400 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:10:45am

re: #387 Obdicut

And this is where my hearing of anecdotal stories about Autism and my love for Statistics produces a problem.

I know Autistics, because we are awkward, are often... eliminated in terms of being seen as relationship material. Also, a poll came out 3-4 years ago showing that only 36% of Americans would approve their child marrying a Muslim.

In my mind, this creates an unhealthy storm. My behavior patterns of usually staying away from gatherings of more than 20ish people exacerbates the issue. Because I'm Hyper-Sensitive, I get Sensory overload real easy. And I will never use the Internet for something like relationships.

401 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:10:59am

Yeah. The atmosphere has changed. We're no longer "peeing on Korans" nor are we calling Islam the "ROP" amongst other things. Boo hoo it's so mean in here now. Not.

402 Mich-again  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:12:37am

A real "fundie" would not get offended or angry over being called names. It is made clear in the Bible both OT and NT that the faithful will be scorned and ridiculed and that the road will not be easy for them.

403 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:13:12am

Islamic fundies.
Christian fundies.

Yes, there are atheist fundies too (Madalyn Murray O'Hair).

Not bigoted, as far as I'm concerned.

404 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:13:26am

re: #400 ProGunLiberal

Think of it this way: most people without autism have difficulty finding the right person. They may find a person, but, after living with them, they find out they're just not suited for each other. So over and over, people have relationships that go deep, and then end. Sometimes it's entirely pleasant, more often it's at least somewhat painful.

With you, since you'll have to find a woman who will understand and accept the way autism will affect your socialization, you're half-way there. You might find it harder to find a woman, but you might find her easier to keep, if she's willing to take the plunge and go out with you in the first place.

405 blueraven  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:13:52am

re: #348 Killgore Trout

CSM on the journalistic ethics of Rev. Al
Trayvon Martin: With call for sanctions, is Al Sharpton crossing a line?

I am not happy about activists as news show host. Even as an opinion show. But then there is Fox promoting the tea party and basically acting as hosts for rallies.
It is much wider than Al Sharpton.

406 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:13:55am

re: #395 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

The tone, or the choice of subjects? (I.e., wrong use.)

I think it's more a matter of tone and general focus. In a "free for all" atmosphere, where Muslims and christians, left and right, all get their turn at being bashed I'm pretty comfortable with it. But when the standards are applied unevenly it takes on a more biased tone to me and starts to appear hateful to me.

407 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:14:27am

re: #394 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Don't really know him. But I would guess anything religiously "liberal" is not "fundie".

Generally, I'd say that is true. The third dictionary definition of fundamentalism (note, I'm a descriptivist, not a proscriptivist) is:

3. strict adherence to the fundamental principles of any set of beliefs

In that sense, using it selectively in a derogatory manner, I think would imply bigotry - singling some people out negatively among the entire set of people who fit the categorization.

But given the common usage - that's a huge stretch?

408 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:14:44am

re: #406 Killgore Trout

So you weren't using it when it was an anti-Muslim blog?

409 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:14:59am

re: #408 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

So you weren't using it when it was an anti-Muslim blog?

:O

410 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:15:13am

re: #408 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

So you weren't using it when it was an anti-Muslim blog?

He used to say ROP all the time.

411 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:16:22am

re: #384 ProGunLiberal

Well:

Well, we are still friends, but she doesn't feel the same way.

:/

Probably the first girl I felt seriously about rejected me in much the same way. If a girl decides you are a 'friend' initially, it is very difficult to change her mind without changing the circumstances significantly.

In my case, I hooked up with a couple of her friends in the next month or so and took them home. That got her interested, and we were together about a year.

412 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:16:38am

re: #406 Killgore Trout

Wouldn't the relative merits of those groups matter at all? That way, your standards can remain consistent, but the groups that contain more extreme views will naturally come under fire more.

In fact, if all groups came in for an equal amount of crap, it'd be an obvious sign that standards weren't being applied, other than the obviously-farcical standard of standing in the exact middle of any argument.

413 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:17:19am

re: #401 Gus

Yeah. The atmosphere has changed. We're no longer "peeing on Korans" nor are we calling Islam the "ROP" amongst other things. Boo hoo it's so mean in here now. Not.

Even back in the day I have always been supportive of blasphemy, desecrating Qurans, peeing on crosses and burning flags. I even told the story of helping a friend in college with her theater project in which a baby Jesus doll was crucified with a staple gun. Watching people leave the theater was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

414 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:18:44am

re: #413 Killgore Trout

Even back in the day I have always been supportive of blasphemy, desecrating Qurans, peeing on crosses and burning flags. I even told the story of helping a friend in college with her theater project in which a baby Jesus doll was crucified with a staple gun. Watching people leave the theater was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

Yeah. I know. You're wording all of this to make yourself look superior to everyone else here. So you were OK using "fundie" back when this place was crawling with wingnuts but now that the "atmosphere has changed" at LGF you're not OK with using it. I'm a little confused by this assessment.

415 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:19:03am

re: #404 Obdicut

And logically, I know that. It's just the emotional perception seem so, so much harder, especially because I'm a small group sort of personality, which also cuts into the number of people I will meet over time.

As well as the fact that I will know damn near no one in the area of North Denver/FOCO when I go back. Yes, I know many at OU, but I won't stay here. I fear what will happen to a Liberal in Blood-Red Oklahoma if Obama wins the election.

What you are saying logically makes sense, but emotionally, it seems very much harder.

416 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:19:21am

re: #410 Gus

He used to say ROP all the time.

I wish I still could. It's would make me feel more comfortable using Fundie.

417 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:19:43am

re: #370 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Me: Sharpton needs to STFU.

Killgore: pretty much.

Question to Killgore: does Limbaugh need to STFU?

I think you're wrong about Sharpton needing to STFU.

418 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:19:46am

re: #407 Talking Point Detective

In that sense, using it selectively in a derogatory manner, I think would imply bigotry - singling some people out negatively among the entire set of people who fit the categorization.

I ... don't get the meaning of this sentence. Can you illustrate with an example?

419 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:20:11am

re: #416 Killgore Trout

I wish I still could. It's would make me feel more comfortable using Fundie.

Fundie is not a blanket condemnation of a religion. ROP is a blanket condemnation of Islam.

420 Interesting Times  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:20:27am

re: #412 Obdicut

In fact, if all groups came in for an equal amount of crap, it'd be an obvious sign that standards weren't being applied, other than the obviously-farcical standard of standing in the exact middle of any argument.

Some say the Holocaust never happen, some say it did. Obviously, the truth lies in the middle.

421 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:20:35am

re: #417 Shvaughn

I think you're wrong about Sharpton needing to STFU.

I think I'm not. Agree to disagree? ;)

422 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:20:55am

re: #412 Obdicut

I should say, the groups that contain more extreme views and are actually relevant to the group. I.e. I don't really expect people living in Lithuania to care deeply about what fundamentalist Orthodox Jews are doing in Israel, and , in fact, if they are super-interested in it, it'd make me think they might have other reasons for it.

423 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:21:44am

re: #416 Killgore Trout

Fundie is not really religion-specific. Yes, by default in the US it's the extreme Christian Right. But add a modifier, and you get an Islamic fundie and whatnot.

424 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:23:31am

re: #423 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Fundie is not really religion-specific. Yes, by default in the US it's the extreme Christian Right. But add a modifier, and you get an Islamic fundie and whatnot.

Agreed, it could easily be adapted to apply to all sorts of fundamentalists but in general usage it's applied to Christian, not Muslims.

425 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:24:40am

I'm new. What's ROP?

426 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:25:07am

re: #424 Killgore Trout

Agreed, it could easily be adapted to apply to all sorts of fundamentalists but in general usage it's applied to Christian, not Muslims.

Yes, and if you're too lazy to type a modifier, there's always "Islamist". Again, I don't see why you long for the return of "RoP", since it's so general.

427 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:25:19am

re: #424 Killgore Trout

That's probably because we live in a country where Christian fundamentalists wield a lot of power and form a large part of our society, and fundamentalists from other religions have barely any influence?

428 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:25:22am

re: #425 Shvaughn

I'm new. What's ROP?

Religion of Peace.

429 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:25:33am

re: #425 Shvaughn

I'm new. What's ROP?

Religion of peace. Sometimes used as "religion of pieces." Used to describe Islam during the heyday of the BUSH GWOT.

430 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:25:47am

re: #421 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

I think I'm not. Agree to disagree? ;)

Every talking head on every channel is talking about Trayvon. Does Sharpton need to shut up because he's black?

431 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:25:54am

re: #425 Shvaughn

I'm new. What's ROP?

Satirical acronym for Religion of Peace used to describe Islamic terrorists.

432 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:26:18am

So if a terrorist act took place somewhere around the world someone would announce it by saying: "Looks like the ROP has struck again!"

433 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:26:26am

re: #430 Shvaughn

Every talking head on every channel is talking about Trayvon. Does Sharpton need to shut up because he's black?

End of discussion, sorry.

434 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:26:36am

re: #429 Gus

Religion of peace. Sometimes used as "religion of pieces." Used to describe Islam during the heyday of the BUSH GWOT.

You guys used to do that? Oh right, this used to be a real creepy right-wing asshole blog, wasn't it?

435 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:26:50am

re: #431 Killgore Trout

Satirical acronym for Religion of Peace used to describe Islamic terrorists.

Satirical!

436 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:27:16am

re: #435 Gus

Satirical!

I think he means "sarcastic."

437 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:28:00am

re: #431 Killgore Trout

From the old LGF FAQ:

ROP - The Religion of Peace -- a reference to George W. Bush's famous post-9/11 declaration that Islam is a "religion of peace." ROP is generally used as a substitute for the word "Islam," though it can also refer to Muslims in general. ROP can also be used as an adjective, though this usage is less common. In all cases, use of the term ROP indicates either distaste for Islamic beliefs and practices, or derisive mockery of the PC attitudes (as embodied by Bush) that spawned the phrase "religion of peace"; or both simultaneously (e.g. "The ROP claims another victim").

I see you're not a reliable source for this kind of thing.

438 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:28:54am

re: #427 Obdicut

That's probably because we live in a country where Christian fundamentalists wield a lot of power and form a large part of our society, and fundamentalists from other religions have barely any influence?

Agreed. If creationism finds its way into school cirriculums it's going to come from the religious right, not the Islamists. However in the UK resistance to teaching evolution in schools comes from the Muslim students more than the Christian ones (See Dawkins about this). I see no reason to avoid criticism of either group.

439 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:29:13am

re: #418 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

I ... don't get the meaning of this sentence. Can you illustrate with an example?

If someone uses the word, selectively, to negatively characterize one group even when the word actually applies to lots of groups, I think it is, in effect, a term of bigotry.

Someone who uses fundamentalist, negatively, to characterize Muslims but calls other people devout Christians. Or someone uses it negatively to describe some Christians as rigid and autocratic in their beliefs but not to describe Jews who might fit the same description.

I think that in general usage, it refers specifically to Christians (the first definition), and so it is a descriptive term, not inherently singling out one subset of a larger set with a negative connotation for that groups specifically.

But in Buck's view, I would guess, "fundamentalist" isn't being used descriptively, but to selectively (by libs) denigrate a particular subset.

440 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:29:25am

re: #434 Shvaughn

You guys used to do that? Oh right, this used to be a real creepy right-wing asshole blog, wasn't it?

I'd have to look back at my old comments. I got here in late 2008 and by then the clean-up had already begun. It wasn't that bad compared to other blogs.

441 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:29:34am

re: #436 Shvaughn

I think he means "sarcastic."

Yes, thank you.

442 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:32:14am

"Fundie" is a slightly derogatory word for fundamentalists but doesn't strike me as inherently bigoted.

443 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:32:29am

re: #438 Killgore Trout

But nobody's talking about avoiding criticism of either group, are they? We're pointing out that a rational standard of being worried about fundamentalists actually have an effect on things here in the US naturally leads us to talk about Christian fundamentalism, since other forms of fundamentalism aren't very powerful here.

So it makes no sense, at all, to judge the use of the word 'fundie' as being somehow tainted by misuse.

444 blueraven  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:32:57am

re: #430 Shvaughn

Every talking head on every channel is talking about Trayvon. Does Sharpton need to shut up because he's black?

That's a really unfair assumption.

Also, yes everyone is talking about the case, but Al Sharpton is marching, leading ralllies and is an active participant. He is the news.

He can do one or the other; be an activist, or be a newsman. Do both and you are fair game for criticism.

445 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:33:01am

re: #439 Talking Point Detective

Oh, OK. I disagree that bigotry stems only from the selective use of *one* term. One may have different equal negative terms for different groups - then it's should not be bigoted.

446 abolitionist  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:33:07am

re: #381 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Since this is a live thread: does anybody here beside Buck think that "fundie" is a bigoted word?

It's a 2-syllable contraction for a 5-syllable word, and perjorative, perhaps, but not necessarily bigoted, IMO.

447 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:34:15am

re: #446 abolitionist

Oh, it is certainly pejorative. Like "moonbat" or "wingnut".

448 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:35:18am

"Fundamentalism" used to refer to highly conservative, super strict Muslims (or Buddhists or other people) is a drifted use of the term fundamentalism, an analogy to Christian fundamentalists. Because originally, "fundamentalist" meant specific adherence to a Christian ideology that identified specific "fundamentals" of the faith as being absolute, uncompromisable beliefs.

449 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:35:33am
450 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:35:59am

re: #434 Shvaughn

You guys used to do that? Oh right, this used to be a real creepy right-wing asshole blog, wasn't it?

No, but there were some creepy asshole members.

451 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:37:32am

re: #447 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Oh, it is certainly pejorative. Like "moonbat" or "wingnut".

It's better than being called an asshole.

//

452 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:38:32am

re: #451 Gus

It's better than being called an asshole.

//

What's bad about 'asshole'? It's just a hole in a donkey, right? /

453 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:38:49am

re: #445 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Oh, OK. I disagree that bigotry stems only from the selective use of *one* term. One may have different equal negative terms for different groups - then it's should not be bigoted.

Sure - but again, I'm a descriptivist. As such, I think in a sense Buck may have a point. If someone calls someone else a fundamentalist, with a clearly negative connotation applied (rigid, autocratic) - without specifying (Christian fundamentalist, Islamic fundamentalist), someone on the other end would perceive it as bigoted.

I think that terms like "bigoted" or "racist" have a large subjective component. People like to hide behind that subjectivity to miss the point. For that reason, I think it's better to err on the side of being very specific with language than argue with people about a proscriptive evaluation of what is "correct."

454 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:39:58am

re: #438 Killgore Trout

Agreed. If creationism finds its way into school cirriculums it's going to come from the religious right, not the Islamists. However in the UK resistance to teaching evolution in schools comes from the Muslim students more than the Christian ones (See Dawkins about this). I see no reason to avoid criticism of either group.

Creationism comes from whoever has the clout. In Turkey it comes from Muslims (not just Islamists). If they were the majority in the USA you can be sure it would come from them also.

455 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:40:25am

re: #446 abolitionist

It's a 2-syllable contraction for a 5-syllable word, and perjorative, perhaps, but not necessarily bigoted, IMO.

I agree that it isn't necessarily bigoted. I'm questioning whether it might not legitimately be considered such with some usage.

456 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:40:31am

re: #453 Talking Point Detective

Not everything insulting or pejorative is bigoted, though. At all. Which is the assumption you're operating on. As long as what the person means by fundie isn't bigoted, it's just a potentially insulting bit of shorthand.

457 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:40:47am

re: #453 Talking Point Detective

Wait, how does specifying help? (In fact, Buck's initial outrage was because I was very specific about "Christian" apologetics.)

458 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:41:38am

re: #457 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Wait, how does specifying help? (In fact, Buck's initial outrage was because I was very specific about "Christian" apologetics.)

Who are about as fundie as you can get.

459 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:42:02am

re: #456 Obdicut

Which is the assumption you're operating on.

Not really. Maybe I haven't explained clearly.

As long as what the person means by fundie isn't bigoted, it's just a potentially insulting bit of shorthand.

That's what I've been suggesting.

460 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:45:02am

re: #459 Talking Point Detective

Yeah, I didn't get that from what you said at all.

461 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:46:15am

re: #457 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Wait, how does specifying help? (In fact, Buck's initial outrage was because I was very specific about "Christian" apologetics.)

Yeah - it's interesting how you and I were tracking in opposite directions from the single point that it can be used for different groups.

I think that the term "Christian fundamentalist" is a descriptive term. To view that as bigoted, I would say, is more from Buck's biased perception. However, if someone uses the term "fundie," in a derogatory manner to characterize a group of people, without specifying what distinguishes that group from other groups that share the defining characteristics of fundamentalism (in the third definition), then it could be construed as a bigoted term. Still - that's a stretch, because of general usage.

462 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:47:03am

re: #460 Obdicut

Yeah, I didn't get that from what you said at all.

Understandable.

463 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:51:39am

re: #451 Gus

It's better than being called an asshole.

//

This is what has me scratching my head about KT. I think of him as, bascially, Mr. Moonbat/Mr. Wingnut.

Maybe that's because he started calling me a moonbat a while back based on a complete misunderstanding of my argument (and a lack of diligence in figuring out what I was saying).

So for him to then be "outraged" about over-the-top political rhetoric seems odd to me - particularly when it seems, sometimes, to be applied selectively.

464 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:58:13am

re: #463 Talking Point Detective

This is what has me scratching my head about KT. I think of him as, bascially, Mr. Moonbat/Mr. Wingnut.

Maybe that's because he started calling me a moonbat a while back based on a complete misunderstanding of my argument (and a lack of diligence in figuring out what I was saying).

So for him to then be "outraged" about over-the-top political rhetoric seems odd to me - particularly when it seems, sometimes, to be applied selectively.

I'm not outraged and I'm not telling anybody else what words they should or shouldn't use. I'm just talking about my personal comfort level regarding the term "fundie" here. I've dropped it from my vocabulary (more or less) but I'm not suggesting that other people should.

465 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:58:21am

re: #463 Talking Point Detective

So for him to then be "outraged" about over-the-top political rhetoric seems odd to me - particularly when it seems, sometimes, to be applied selectively.

Outrageous outrage strikes again!

466 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:04:57pm

re: #464 Killgore Trout

I'm not outraged and I'm not telling anybody else what words they should or shouldn't use. I'm just talking about my personal comfort level regarding the term "fundie" here. I've dropped it from my vocabulary (more or less) but I'm not suggesting that other people should.

I can get behind that. I think that "moonbat" and "wingnut" would just as well be left out, also. Also "denier." Not to say that I am pretending that I'll ever actually get to the point of being that careful across the board in a fully uniform manner. I applaud moving away from those terms - I'm noting that you seem to apply similar terms rather liberally at times - in fact, you seem intent on deliberately seeking out phenomena that you can characterize with those terms sometimes, and in my view, conflating distinct phenomena in doing so.

467 Interesting Times  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:14:58pm

re: #466 Talking Point Detective

I can get behind that. I think that "moonbat" and "wingnut" would just as well be left out, also. Also "denier."

Does that mean you also object to the term "holocaust denier"?

468 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:15:16pm

re: #466 Talking Point Detective

I can get behind that. I think that "moonbat" and "wingnut" would just as well be left out, also. Also "denier." Not to say that I am pretending that I'll ever actually get to the point of being that careful across the board in a fully uniform manner. I applaud moving away from those terms - I'm noting that you seem to apply similar terms rather liberally at times - in fact, you seem intent on deliberately seeking out phenomena that you can characterize with those terms sometimes, and in my view, conflating distinct phenomena in doing so.

Ah, I think I spotted our difference here. I'm for including all of them, RoP, Fundie, Moonbat, Wingnut, etc. However I can see you point about moving away from those terms in general could be helpful but I still prefer keeping them and using them all liberally (no pun intended) as long as they don't become a source for hate and bigotry. I think it's better if everybody can take a bashing and accept their own side is open to insults, and possibly even deserves them.

469 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:25:54pm

re: #432 Gus

So if a terrorist act took place somewhere around the world someone would announce it by saying: "Looks like the ROP has struck again!"

Never used it, never liked it. I do understand where the usage came from, though. Immediately post-911, there were a lot of people being asked to explain Islam in a big hurry in the media, and a lot of them seemed to settle on explaining that Islam was 'a religion of peace'.

It was, perhaps, not the best soundbite to use on a mostly non-Muslim nation that had just been hit hard by a group of terrorists who had not gotten that memo. Some people reacted satirically and bitterly.

470 Interesting Times  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:26:33pm

It's scary to think some people are incapable of distinguishing genuine hate-speech from the rightful calling out of specific bad behaviors and destructive policies.

Global warming deniers are putting billions of lives in jeopardy - FACT. GOP misogynists are taking rights away from women - FACT. And the malevolent wingnut Prime Minister that Canadians are currently cursed with is trying to ram through an austerity budget that guts environmental research, raises the retirement age, and makes it easier for oil companies to bypass environmental review.

No way am I going to let them get away with covering this up by hiding behind false equivalence and convenient propriety.

471 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:35:23pm

re: #468 Killgore Trout

Ah, I think I spotted our difference here. I'm for including all of them, RoP, Fundie, Moonbat, Wingnut, etc. However I can see you point about moving away from those terms in general could be helpful but I still prefer keeping them and using them all liberally (no pun intended) as long as they don't become a source for hate and bigotry. I think it's better if everybody can take a bashing and accept their own side is open to insults, and possibly even deserves them.

More often than not, those terms imply facile thinking. Using them is generally a rationalization for self-serving partisanship (or an agenda). I don't find them "outrageous," or something to be banned.

I don't take them to heart when they're applied to me because in my view, their usage against me reveals shallowness on the part of the user. I don't feel insulted when someone calls me a "moonbat," or a "warmist," or a "socialist," or even more amusingly, characterize me personally based on such a facile generalization - in particular by someone on the Internet who has never met me, talked to me in person about anything, etc. I don't see how you can see them as distinct from advancing hatred and bigotry.

I have no power to change the reality of whether they will be kept. I do have power over whether I use them, and over expressing my views on their usage.

Should other people not take their usage personally? Sure. It's hard to take outrage seriously from someone who characterizes other people with the same facile thinking. In my view, it misses the larger realities about how we all reason in the face of controversy.

I'm still going to go back to you, however, to point to the inconsistencies in what I see in how you deal with these issues. I always welcome similar scrutiny, and will say up front that I won't always be open to it initially but work hard at coming around long term.

472 CuriousLurker  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:36:19pm

re: #381 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Since this is a live thread: does anybody here beside Buck think that "fundie" is a bigoted word?

I'm late to the party, but I don't think it is. It's a descriptor that I use it for all fundamentalists, including Muslims.

473 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:40:50pm

re: #469 SanFranciscoZionist

Some people reacted satirically and bitterly.

That's generous - and I don't doubt applies in some cases. And such a satiric comment on an unsophisticated view of some Islamic fundamentalism is appropriate.

On the other hand,at other times RoP, and in particular how it was used here for years, was an expression of bigotry. I don't think that you were suggesting otherwise - just noting that for me the aspect of bigotry is important to point to explicitly.

474 CuriousLurker  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:43:52pm

re: #472 CuriousLurker

I'm late to the party, but I don't think it is. It's a descriptor that I use it for all fundamentalists, including Muslims.

Addendum: IMO, a term only becomes bigoted/insulting when it's used in a way that singles out a particular group: RoP, Bible thumper, etc. I don't like them and I don't use them.

Also , no one seems to be mentioning the second part that was usually included with RoP, which was RoPMA (religion of peace my ass), which makes it considerably more snarky, especially when used by people known to be hostile to Islam.

475 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:13:47pm

re: #473 Talking Point Detective

That's generous - and I don't doubt applies in some cases. And such a satiric comment on an unsophisticated view of some Islamic fundamentalism is appropriate.

On the other hand,at other times RoP, and in particular how it was used here for years, was an expression of bigotry. I don't think that you were suggesting otherwise - just noting that for me the aspect of bigotry is important to point to explicitly.

No, it was bigoted, and self-congratulatory, and deeply obnoxious, as it came to be used. And using it was based on believing, not that the talking heads were being ineffective as they tried to communicate, (using, I think, a script that they had been using before 9/11, and that worked better then) but that the talking heads were lying, and that what had happened was a complete reflection of normative Islam.

But even I recall thinking, in those early days, "You know, if one more of these guys says 'religion of peace', and then explains helpfully that the root word of Islam MEANS peace, I'm going to put my foot through the screen." I was also fond of commenting that Jainism is a religion of peace, as is whatever the noun form of being Amish is, and I don't know as a lot of other people qualify.

476 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:22:57pm

re: #475 SanFranciscoZionist

As far as I'm concerned, no religion is a religion of peace. Or of war. It's just simplistic to call them such.

But if KT thinks this term is not bigoted, he's welcome to use it. If he can defend the use, that is.

477 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 2:07:06pm

re: #476 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

As far as I'm concerned, no religion is a religion of peace. Or of war. It's just simplistic to call them such.

But if KT thinks this term is not bigoted, he's welcome to use it. If he can defend the use, that is.

I don't even know what you guys are fighting about now, but have at it. Something about Westboro Baptists, and pearls?


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