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Breitbart Blogger Dan Riehl Defends John Derbyshire’s Racist Article

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Here’s wingnut blogger Dan Riehl again, with an incoherent post attacking me and defending John Derbyshire’s twisted racist article, while recounting a sad tale from his youth fighting in the streets against gangs of black kids: Riehl World View: The Left’s Misguided Attack on John Derbyshire.

However, I do remember standing next to Ray, who was one of my best friends in sixth grade. Ray was black and we were in the playground watching a fight start between a white kid and a black kid. We both knew both of them.

Ray looked over at me and, to paraphrase after all these years, said, Dan, you know if this gets bigger and we end up getting pulled in, I have to be with my people, right? I didn’t like it. I felt confused and even a bit hurt - but I didn’t question it, either. I think I kind of shrugged my shoulders and said something like, Yeah, I understand. Truthfully, I didn’t understand it. I just knew it was the reality in that situation and as true for me as it was for Ray.

What he was saying was, we’re still going to be friends, afterward, right? And I thought, well, sure. Why not? We all would be when we played black versus white football, or soccer, that weekend, depending on the season - unless another fight broke out, which rarely happened. We just had to do what we had to do here and both instinctively knew it, somehow. It wasn’t about us. In any event, it never came to that and Ray and I always remained friends until, when older, we both moved away and lost touch.

See? Dan has black friends! Even if he would have had to administer a beatdown to “Ray,” he knew somehow that it would all turn out fine.

Riehl then explains, with his inimitable total lack of style, that “the left” should really be thanking John Derbyshire instead of trying to “silence him,” and yes, they should also stop falsely accusing the right of racism:

My larger point is, the left is always screaming racism, often even when it hasn’t been proven to exist - as in the recent case of Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman. Even the media falsely screamed it. So, along comes Derbyshire and, I don’t know, confesses it, on his part? And all the left can do is scream, get him! Silence him! He must be fired!! What does that solve? It’s as if the left wants it to appear as though America doesn’t still struggle with racial issues … except when seizing upon an incident, or issue they think they can exploit for political gain. Frankly, they’re even trying to do that here, as with Johnson attacking me over it for no reason and with no clue.

I end up as, not hurt, but a bit confused, just as I was back in the schoolyard that day with Ray. The left should be thanking Derbyshire for being honest - for confirming so much of what they themselves always seem to be saying. Yes, America still has racial issues with which to struggle.

Meanwhile, on Twitter, good old tough guy Dan is engaging in that witty repartee for which he’s well-known:

Related:
Dan Riehl’s Imaginary Black Kid Beatdown

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143 comments

1 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:34:56pm

Riehl, like most conservatives defending racism, totally misses the target. Most of the outrage is not against Zimmerman, but rather the failures of the authorities in the area. That's where the racism lies.

Zimmerman's just another paranoid vigilante, maybe he's racist, maybe he's not -- but that's not the point.

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:35:50pm

Presumably, he is an adult, right? I need to ask because I can't tell from his scribblings.

//

3 samuraishake  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:35:57pm

Because if there's one thing Riehl does really well, it's developing a world view from 6th graders.

4 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:37:00pm

re: #1 Randall Gross

It's far from being settled whether racism was a factor in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, of course. But the right is already pretending there was absolutely no racism involved, anywhere.

5 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:37:15pm

The poddy talk really speaks to Dan's journalistic integrity and professionalism, but only in the Breitbart school.

6 bluecheese  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:37:50pm

pretty nasty shooting in tulsa last night.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

video is worth watching.

I think this is an important story.

7 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:38:55pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Indeed. I've got to lean towards why didn't the authorities do more? In the list of potential why's is institutionalized, but unrecognized, racism.

8 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:41:45pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

It's far from being settled whether racism was a factor in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, of course. But the right is already pretending there was absolutely no racism involved, anywhere.

Pretending it wasn't involved while at the same time trying to argue that it's "justified."

9 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:42:38pm

re: #7 Randall Gross


Trevor Dooley, a black man, was arrested after 2 days. GZ still walks.

10 erik_t  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:43:26pm

All middle schoolers think first and foremost about RACEWAR!!!!1 on the playground.

Does this clown expect anyone to take him seriously?

11 elizajane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:44:35pm

Of course Dan Riehl once had a black friend! Even as a young child he followed point 13 in Derbyshire's commandments:

(13) In that pool of forty million, there are nonetheless many intelligent and well-socialized blacks. (I’ll use IWSB as an ad hoc abbreviation.) You should consciously seek opportunities to make friends with IWSBs. In addition to the ordinary pleasures of friendship, you will gain an amulet against potentially career-destroying accusations of prejudice.

If you have a strong stomach, read onward to Derb's points 14 & 15:

(14) Be aware, however, that there is an issue of supply and demand here. Demand comes from organizations and businesses keen to display racial propriety by employing IWSBs, especially in positions at the interface with the general public—corporate sales reps, TV news presenters, press officers for government agencies, etc.—with corresponding depletion in less visible positions. There is also strong private demand from middle- and upper-class whites for personal bonds with IWSBs, for reasons given in the previous paragraph and also (next paragraph) as status markers.

(15) Unfortunately the demand is greater than the supply, so IWSBs are something of a luxury good, like antique furniture or corporate jets: boasted of by upper-class whites and wealthy organizations, coveted by the less prosperous. To be an IWSB in present-day US society is a height of felicity rarely before attained by any group of human beings in history. Try to curb your envy: it will be taken as prejudice (see paragraph 13).

Now you may want to go take a shower.

12 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:44:49pm

re: #1 Randall Gross

Riehl, like most conservatives defending racism, totally misses the target. Most of the outrage is not against Zimmerman, but rather the failures of the authorities in the area. That's where the racism lies.

Zimmerman's just another paranoid vigilante, maybe he's racist, maybe he's not -- but that's not the point.

They're also ignoring that the racism upsets have inflated with each successive case of someone blaming Trayvon for his own death or painting the young man as a "thug"--both of the latter involving lots of invoking stereotypes about young black men.

And now there's the second-order reaction to people saying: "those ungrateful black folks are race-baiters who shouldn't be angry about what happened"...such as the remarks by the current head of the Southern Baptist Convention

It was never just about Zimmerman. It was about the way a giant chunk of society...from the Sanford cops on up...too-easily accepted a lazy narrative of "suspicious black man gets shot, white guy was allowed to stalk, confront, then shoot him."

13 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:47:17pm

re: #11 elizajane

I'm willing to believe that young Dan's friendship was sincere. But boy, did he grow up to be an asshat!

14 erik_t  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:50:40pm

re: #13 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

I'm willing to believe that young Dan's friendship was sincere. But boy, did he grow up to be an asshat!

I'm not. On what planet is two twelve-year-olds fighting some kind of flashpoint for a black-v-white playground free-for-all? Presumably it's the one where all pickup games are blacks vs. whites?

I don't claim my smell test is infallible, but if Riehl were attempting to play to his audience, I don't see how he could invent a better storyline from scratch.

15 Obdicut  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:50:48pm

It's really funny watching those on the 'right' who are criticizing Derbyshire get virulently attacked in their comments sections.

This is the beast you made, boys. You fed it racism, day in and day out, don't be surprised that it grew up fat and sleek and full of race-hatred.

16 jaunte  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:53:13pm
while recounting a sad tale from his youth fighting in the streets against gangs of black kids

When the position one is defending is the right to remain fearful, it's important to do it with a lot of tough-sounding stories and appeals to hard-eyed pragmatism.

17 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:53:35pm

Little Danny has black friends, but does that mean he lets them use his bathroom?

Danny may have black friends, but I will bet there were many times those black friends couldn't understand why Riehl failed to see the bigotry in something he said or observed.

From what I've seen of his tweets, he's very immature, shallow and dramatically hard of understanding.

18 Obdicut  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:54:16pm

re: #14 erik_t

It's amazingly convenient bullshit.

Edit: I like that he lost touch with him now, so nobody can check the story.

Maybe he moved to Canada.

19 elizajane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:54:31pm

re: #17 No Monkey Man (Born With a Banana in my Hand)

Little Danny has black friends, but does that mean he lets them use his bathroom?

Danny may have black friends, but I will bet there were many times those black friends couldn't understand why Riehl failed to see the bigotry in something he said or observed.

From what I've seen of his tweets, he's very immature, shallow and dramatically hard of understanding.

Give the guy credit. He was probably more mature when he was in sixth grade.

20 erik_t  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:56:36pm

re: #18 Obdicut

It's amazingly convenient bullshit.

Edit: I like that he lost touch with him now, so nobody can check the story.

Maybe he moved to Canada.

Worse... Wisconsin.

21 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:57:18pm

re: #15 Obdicut

It's really funny watching those on the 'right' who are criticizing Derbyshire get virulently attacked in their comments sections.

This is the beast you made, boys. You fed it racism, day in and day out, don't be surprised that it grew up fat and sleek and full of race-hatred.

They've spent years feeding the crocodiles, only to find out that they won't be eaten last after all.

22 Stanghazi  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:57:30pm

Reihl went to bat for sister Sarah Palin. He's an idiot.

23 TedStriker  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:57:54pm

re: #19 elizajane

Give the guy credit. He was probably more mature when he was in sixth grade.

Riehl, Derbyshire, and their compatriots may have "book learning" to one degree or another, but they're all intellectually stunted and have souls as black as coal.

24 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:58:21pm

re: #13 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

I'm willing to believe that young Dan's friendship was sincere. But boy, did he grow up to be an asshat!

Black versus White pickup games on the playground that lead to black-white fights that people can get "pulled into"? Kids self-aware of that level of race-as-tribe? That doesn't smell right to me combined with this narrative of "we're were all okay together."

Either the entire setup is a fiction, his "one of his best friends" is fictitious, or we're being robbed of a lot of context about the racial politics in the description.

25 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:58:32pm

re: #1 Randall Gross

Riehl, like most conservatives defending racism, totally misses the target. Most of the outrage is not against Zimmerman, but rather the failures of the authorities in the area. That's where the racism lies.

Zimmerman's just another paranoid vigilante, maybe he's racist, maybe he's not -- but that's not the point.

Zimmerman's use of racial profiling tells us he may be an unintentional racist (somebody picking up and acting on the general feelings in the community) or too naive to realize how poor that type of profiling actually works.

I agree that the authority's brushing off of the seriousness of the situation shows racial bias.

26 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:59:22pm

[Link: voxday.blogspot.com...]

And yet, John Derbyshire's article that has inspired such rabid ritual denunciation is little more than a calm and perfectly reasonable collection of observable realities of race in America

27 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:59:25pm

re: #2 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

Presumably, he is an adult, right? I need to ask because I can't tell from his scribblings.

//

In body only. Both he and his bud from CNN, what's her name, really do act like children.

28 TedStriker  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 12:59:44pm

re: #24 The Ghost of a Flea

Black versus White pickup games on the playground that lead to black-white fights that people can get "pulled into"? Kids self-aware of that level of race-as-tribe? That doesn't smell right to me combined with this narrative of "we're were all okay together."

Either the entire setup is a fiction, his "one of his best friends" is fictitious, or we're being robbed of a lot of context about the racial politics in the description.

I just think he's full of shit...

29 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:01:12pm

re: #28 talon_262

I just think he's full of shit...

I'm just indexing the possible ways he's full of shit.

30 jaunte  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:02:28pm

re: #26 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

"A calm and perfectly reasonable collection of excuses for passing along unreasoning fear to your children."

31 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:02:59pm

re: #15 Obdicut

It's really funny watching those on the 'right' who are criticizing Derbyshire get virulently attacked in their comments sections.

This is the beast you made, boys. You fed it racism, day in and day out, don't be surprised that it grew up fat and sleek and full of race-hatred.

Let them attack. This isn't about the revenue next quarter, this is about the entire character of the movement. Derbyshire has to go, and if he takes 1,000 NR subscribers with him then that cost must simply be accepted. Shit like that will, if allowed to stand, turn conservatives into a tiny minority unable to govern or do anything but admire themselves in 'righteous isolation'.

32 wrenchwench  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:04:23pm
Chuckles, u wound me. U hurt me deeply. Keep it up and I may start calling you Cuddles and claim u as my bitch out here, dumbass

The guy has a twisted mess where his heart should be. And somehow it's Charles's fault.

33 erik_t  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:04:45pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Shit like that will, if allowed to stand, turn conservatives into a tiny minority unable to govern or do anything but admire themselves in 'righteous isolation'.

Well, they've got half of that accomplished already.

No /

34 wrenchwench  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:07:26pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Let them attack. This isn't about the revenue next quarter, this is about the entire character of the movement. Derbyshire has to go, and if he takes 1,000 NR subscribers with him then that cost must simply be accepted. Shit like that will, if allowed to stand, turn conservatives into a tiny minority unable to govern or do anything but admire themselves in 'righteous isolation'.

You haven't described the future, you've described the present. This has been standing for at least a decade.

35 Obdicut  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:09:37pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

It's going to be allowed to stand. The GOP race-baits to various degrees, but race-baiting is central to what the GOP is about these days. They have stopped trying to appeal to non-whites.

36 wrenchwench  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:11:16pm

re: #29 The Ghost of a Flea

I'm just indexing the possible ways he's full of shit.

That'll keep you busy.

37 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:16:11pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Let them attack. This isn't about the revenue next quarter, this is about the entire character of the movement. Derbyshire has to go, and if he takes 1,000 NR subscribers with him then that cost must simply be accepted. Shit like that will, if allowed to stand, turn conservatives into a tiny minority unable to govern or do anything but admire themselves in 'righteous isolation'.

This statement, if made thirty years ago, would have been amazingly prophetic. As it is, it's simply how it is now. The Conservative cult is a tiny minority unable to govern. It is given unwarranted power in the US only because of a regressive, binary political system and because of an all-powerful and complicit media that allows this cult to redefine words and dictate the narrative.

38 teresa  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:17:17pm

Oh, but I do thank him for writing this, I do. I quite enjoy watching the Conservative ideology self destruct publicly like this. It is pretty awesome actually.

39 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:17:35pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Let them attack. This isn't about the revenue next quarter, this is about the entire character of the movement. Derbyshire has to go, and if he takes 1,000 NR subscribers with him then that cost must simply be accepted. Shit like that will, if allowed to stand, turn conservatives into a tiny minority unable to govern or do anything but admire themselves in 'righteous isolation'.

"Righteous isolation" is pretty much the platform right now, dude.

A big chunk of American conservatism has been dabbling in postmodernism and chosen narrative truth over objective truth as a way to sell their ideological points on stuff like economic theory, abortion, freedom of religion, and foreign relations. The demagogues and pundits set themselves up to cater to true believers and people for whom tribalism trumps rationality...some for cynical reasons, others seeking converts.

It's now biting them in the ass because they've lost control of the narrative...and more strident, less subtle ideogogues are getting more attention and support. The news isn't that Derbyshire wrote something racist...that's old hat. The telling thing is who is defending him, who is trying to make this go away without confronting it, and how.

40 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:20:38pm
The left should be thanking Derbyshire for being honest -

Well Dan, since I'm not on "The Left", does that mean I'm allowed to call out Derbyshire's tripe for the offensive, racist nonsense that it is?

41 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:24:04pm

re: #40 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Well Dan, since I'm not on "The Left", does that mean I'm allowed to call out Derbyshire's tripe for the offensive, racist nonsense that it is?

You surely are, and you have done so.

42 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:24:44pm

re: #40 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

The left should be thanking Derbyshire for being honest -

Well Dan, since I'm not on "The Left", does that mean I'm allowed to call out Derbyshire's tripe for the offensive, racist nonsense that it is?

Go for it big guy.

I like the way Riehl colours Derbyshire as racist and dishonest.

43 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:26:43pm

re: #35 Obdicut

It's going to be allowed to stand. The GOP race-baits to various degrees, but race-baiting is central to what the GOP is about these days. They have stopped trying to appeal to non-whites.

No, it won't. Derbyshire is going down for this, I assure you. It's going to go hard on Rich Lowery no matter what he does at this point (as it should), but I firmly believe he'll do the right thing and hand Derpy Derby Doo his walking papers.

44 erik_t  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:27:38pm

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

No, it won't. Derbyshire is going down for this, I assure you. It's going to go hard on Rich Lowery no matter what he does at this point (as it should), but I firmly believe he'll do the right thing and hand Derpy Derby Doo his walking papers.

I'll bet you one internet cookie that he's still writing for his current gigs in three months.

45 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:28:53pm
The left should be thanking Derbyshire for being honest

Oh, I am, Dan. But not for the reasons that you think.

I'm glad that Derbyshire was open and honest about his cowardly, pathetic racism and white supremacist views. I'm also glad that he's known to be with the National Review, and that every article about this has led with the fact that he writes and podcasts for NR, which is a mainstream conservative publication.

Why am I glad about this? Because Derbyshire's race fail has forced conservatives to FINALLY talk about their attitudes on race. There are those who are rightly offended by what Derbyshire wrote and said, and who want nothing to do with him. And there are idiots and cowards like you who are defending him or what he said. It's nice to see which side folks on the right are falling on.

46 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:29:14pm

Hey, guys. From the horse's mouth. Derpyshire in 2003:

The reason I hang out with paleocons is that on a lot of topics they speak more honestly than “respectable” conservatives can, and I find that very refreshing. Don’t get me wrong: there are good reasons for the self-imposed restraints that “respectable” conservative journalists like me accept–mainly, that we would be crucified byt the liberal media establishment if we broached those limits, and have to give up opinionating and go find some boring office job somewhere. (This is probably going to happen to me sooner or later, actually. I am not very careful about what I say, having grown up in the era before Political Correctness, and never having internalized the necessary restraints. I am a homophobe, though a mild and tolerant one, and a racist, though an even more mild and tolerant one, and those things are going to be illegal pretty soon, the way we are going. Of course, people will still be that way in their hearts, but they will be afraid to admit it, and will be punished if they do admit it. It is already illegal in Britain to express public disapproval of homosexuality–there have been several prosecutions. It will be the same here in 5-10 years, and I shall be out of a job. Fortunately I have marketable skills.) It’s nice to know that there are people braver than we are, though. Kind of like watching the U.S. Marines in action.

47 erik_t  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:30:21pm
I am a homophobe, though a mild and tolerant one, and a racist, though an even more mild and tolerant one, and those things are going to be illegal pretty soon, the way we are going.

(scratches head)
((repeats))

I think I'll go for a walk.

48 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:32:00pm

The constant effort to assert your "side" is always right, about everything, all the time, and to reflexively defend every single thing that draws criticism, even the indefensible, is immature to the Nth degree.

This is not how intelligent, reasonable, grown adults conduct themselves.

49 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:32:16pm

re: #44 erik_t

I'll bet you one internet cookie that he's still writing for his current gigs in three months.

Sorry, can't do it. I don't like ordering cookies on the internet. But if you're ever in Chicago I'll happily meet you at a Mrs. Fields and buy you a cookie there.

/having some fun with the lingo.

50 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:35:40pm

You gotta give him that though - he predicted the time when he will be "out of job" pretty accurately. /

51 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:41:09pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, can't do it. I don't like ordering cookies on the internet. But if you're ever in Chicago I'll happily meet you at a Mrs. Fields and buy you a cookie there.

/having some fun with the lingo.

D_F you don't always have to explain your bits of humour, most of us are pretty bright cookies and we get it.

52 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:45:04pm

re: #51 No Monkey Man (Born With a Banana in my Hand)

D_F you don't always have to explain your bits of humour, most of us are pretty bright cookies and we get it.

What do you mean ?

53 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:45:32pm

re: #52 sattv4u2

What do you mean ?

Что?

54 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:46:38pm

re: #52 sattv4u2

What do you mean ?

Sorry Satt, I forgot all about you.

55 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:46:50pm

Leon Wolf over at RedState has blogged about Derbyshire's fail:

Derbyshire in 2003: 'I am a racist'

Derbyshire likes to pepper his racist rants with “facts” that generally consist of social studies that are subject to numerous interpretational biases. To me, the question as to whether these studies are accurate or correct is uninteresting and irrelevant – a central tenet of decency demands that every human being is entitled to be evaluated on his or her own merits regardless of what social science may say about any group (racial, cultural, religious or otherwise) to which he or she might belong. It is this very basis which Derbyshire rejects, and that is what makes him (and has always made him) a racist. He is not, as his defenders at the execrable Taki mag say, confronting the world with uncomfortable truths, he is proudly declaring himself to be a racist and arguing that it is correct to be racist. This, I submit, is something that all decent people should reject.

The comments are littered with people asking where Derbyshire was wrong.

56 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:52:15pm

I'm pretty sure now Derpyshire knew what he was in for and dropped the bomb deliberately, to go out with a bang.

57 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:54:05pm

"Radio Derb" is still on the NRO frontpage, in the masthead.

[Link: radio.nationalreview.com...]

58 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:58:44pm

re: #55 Lidane

Leon Wolf over at RedState has blogged about Derbyshire's fail:

Just another ungrateful liberal writing for a leftist blog.
/

59 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 1:59:36pm

re: #57 Johnny Derp

"Radio Derb" is still on the NRO frontpage, in the masthead.

[Link: radio.nationalreview.com...]

And it's going to stay there unless Lowry decides to fire Derbyshire.

I'm not expecting him to do that. It would just open NR up to wingnut criticism of caving in to "the Left" and to multiculturalism and political correctness.

60 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:02:11pm

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

No, it won't. Derbyshire is going down for this, I assure you. It's going to go hard on Rich Lowery no matter what he does at this point (as it should), but I firmly believe he'll do the right thing and hand Derpy Derby Doo his walking papers.

I hope you're right, but I suspect that Derby being on chemo is about to be dropped as an excuse for the article and/or a reason for him to depart without censure.

My larger issue is that Derby exploits a pseudo-intellectual style that needs to be refuted just as strongly as his racism, but it's not going to happen. Look at the lazy scholarship and pomo "redefinition" that Jonah Goldberg exploited to make "Liberal Fascism" work. As long as that kind of thinking is acceptable practice, then ditching Derby is just tamping down the problem....someone else will just sprout in his place. More depressing is that once you validate rigor-less rhetoric as equal to structured argument you've provided an "in" for successive more fringe ideation that, because of the lowered--and partisan--standard of proof, is now valid and circulating.

61 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:02:51pm

The Right has circled the wagons and is convincing themselves that if they don't stick and hang together they will all hang separately anyways. And the group is self-enforcing that meme by attacking anyone who starts to make a break for it.

62 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:03:55pm

Creepy old man?

[Link: old.nationalreview.com...]

Jennifer's bristols. Did I buy, or browse, a copy of the November 17 GQ, in order to get a look at Jennifer Aniston's bristols?** No, I didn't. While I have no doubt that Ms. Aniston is a paragon of charm, wit, and intelligence, she is also 36 years old. Even with the strenuous body-hardening exercise routines now compulsory for movie stars, at age 36 the forces of nature have won out over the view-worthiness of the unsupported female bust.

It is, in fact, a sad truth about human life that beyond our salad days, very few of us are interesting to look at in the buff. Added to that sadness is the very unfair truth that a woman's salad days are shorter than a man's — really, in this precise context, only from about 15 to 20. The Nautilus and the treadmill can add a half decade or so, but by 36 the bloom is definitely off the rose. Very few of us, however, can face up to this fact honestly, and I am sure this diary item will generate more angry e-mails of protest than everything else I have written this month.

63 Ace-o-aces  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:05:07pm

American Thinker has piece up saying Derb went too far. American. F**cking. Thinker. Let that clank aound in your brain for a bit. If you're too racist for American Thinker, then you are REALLY racist.

64 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:05:29pm

Anyone have any suggestions on a good (and easy for a beginner to use) graphics editing program? Preferably cheap shareware or freeware. I need to do some fairly basic editing of some jpegs. Stuff like converting to black/white, sharpening lines, etc. Beyond Paint, but less than Photoshop. :)

65 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:06:14pm

More Freeper fail on Derbyshire, this time about the article itself:

Everybody seems to be upset about Derbyshire's multi-part point 10). I think perhaps he does go off the track a bit into near-racism in points 11) to 15), but he's in the most trouble for 10) because he put into print important truths that should best remain a "white oral tradition". :)
I live in a city where black crime is near zero. So is the black population. The most common violent crime here seems to be bank or home robbery - nearly always committed by white male transients. A gathering such as Derbyshire mentions in 10) almost never happens, so it's easy to avoid. Black people I've met here almost always fall into his "IWSB" category - and I guarantee you they are giving their own kids a variation of the point 10) talk before sending them off to social gatherings in the neighboring large city.

10) isn't just for white kids - it's good advice for any citizen of any race who wants to survive the effects of the Left's war on American culture.
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It seems that almost everyone (especially the afraid-of-their-own-shadow PC morons that make up the current editorial staff of NRO) is missing the point of Derbyshire's piece -- he is commenting ironically on "The Talk" that black parents allegedly have with their sons about the nature of being a black man in America. One is reminded of the furor Jonathan Swift endured after he published A Modest Proposal.

[snip]
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It wasn’t satire. Though Derb may have to say it was as he struggles to get hired somewhere in the neutered, suicidally PC West.
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The most honest article about race in American that I've ever read.
I'm sure Derbyshire will be punished for daring to utter the truth.

I note that he has thoughtfully provided links illustrating his major points, which will make it doubly infuriating to the liberals and the PC Rino contingents.
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In general his rules will lower you chance of being a crime victim, but if you are serious about not being a crime victim
have a loaded gun, you know how and are prepared to use,in your possession at all times (whether it is legal to do so or not).

I would say the exception being if you live in an area similar to where I live, with a population of 75k+ and averaging less than one stranger on stranger murder per year. In that case I think the danger of accidentally killing yourself or a family member tilts the scale in the direction of not carrying.
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I’ve got an 11 year old daughter. In view of the rapidly increasing levels of violence and criminality seen among the black community, I’ve known I’ll need to have a discussion with her for her safety.

Derbyshire’s piece looks to be just what I need.
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This is a well reasoned and delineated piece. The sources for figures are quite vague and would be trashed by Harvard scholars. SJ Gould would exhibit his greatest weakness by declaring the piece to be racist drivel.

Although I do not have many daily very close encounters, the piece reflects my overall life experience.

It merely hints at the problem of Afrocentric mentality that puffs up heritage beyond that which is stone age and savage. It does not explore the excellence of hybridization
recognizable in a host of splendid individuals.

But that is not the intention. It is a rational framework for lessons to one’s own children
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Wow.

There’s nothing in the Derbyshire piece that is not factual and backed by proof or evidence.

Shame on Lowry et al. I would say “I’ll never go to NRO”, but the truth is, I’ve been going there less and less anyway due to their Romney-pimping.

Phony conservatives, Manhattan style. A pox on them.

66 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:07:38pm

re: #54 No Monkey Man (Born With a Banana in my Hand)

Sorry Satt, I forgot all about you.

Smart move!

67 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:08:15pm

re: #63 Ace-o-aces

American Thinker has piece up saying Derb went too far. American. F**cking. Thinker. Let that clank aound in your brain for a bit. If you're too racist for American Thinker, then you are REALLY racist.

Another liberal blog. It has to be. Only liberals point out racism in others. Only liberals.
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68 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:09:16pm

re: #64 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Anyone have any suggestions on a good (and easy for a beginner to use) graphics editing program? Preferably cheap shareware or freeware. I need to do some fairly basic editing of some jpegs. Stuff like converting to black/white, sharpening lines, etc. Beyond Paint, but less than Photoshop. :)

An Etch-A-Sketch!!

69 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:10:42pm

re: #68 sattv4u2

An Etch-A-Sketch!!

The Romneybot 6000 has cornered the market on those in order to put economic pressure on Ohio in the upcoming election.

70 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:11:18pm

re: #66 sattv4u2

Smart move!

Smart ass.

71 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:15:14pm

re: #70 No Monkey Man (Born With a Banana in my Hand)

Smart ass.

At least there's a part of me that is

72 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:16:28pm

re: #63 Ace-o-aces

American Thinker has piece up saying Derb went too far. American. F**cking. Thinker. Let that clank aound in your brain for a bit. If you're too racist for American Thinker, then you are REALLY racist.

The comments for that article (Google Cache link, BTW) are instructive:

A black is 64 times more likely to assault a white than vice versa. A black is more than 15 times more likely to kill a white than vice versa. Black on white rapes number in the tens of thousands every year. White on black rapes number in the hundreds.
The problem is not white racism. The problem is black lawlessness and violence. The time for sensitivity is over.
I've long admired Derbyshire's writing and, like George Orwell, his willingness to speak bluntly about unpleasant realities. If NR fires him, they will be surrendering yet again to yet another liberal witch hunt for racists. It is long past time for whites to stop surrendering immediately when accused of racism.
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I think that Derbyshire's advice should be mandatory reading for all European Americans and their children on how to handle and view blacks. It may save your child's life! Everything that Derbyshire stated in his column is TRUE! WHY SHOULD HE BE FIRED!!!
If he is fired there has to be price paid by National Review. PUT THEM OUT OF BUSINESS. I stopped reading them when William F Buckley jr fell in love with Barry Soetoro 5 years ago and ENDORSED HIM. Now we have the cowardly neocons like Bill Bennett, Charles Krauthammer, Michael Medved, Bill Kristol and the like who thwart ALL of our efforts to stop the left because we don't want offend anybody. It must stop.National Review is simply a slighty center leaning liberal publication.
BOYCOTT websites like NATIONAL REVIEW!!! It is the only way to stop these people.
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Derbyshire is spot on. Take a walk in any urban black inner city looking prosperous and white. Then come back and report on your experience, that's if you are still alive to do so.
BHO has fomented racial hatred like no president in the last century. Would be tyrants usually pick a minority population as victims to blame problems on (Jews are always a popular target), but Obama is trying to blame the white majority.
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Did Derbyshire tell a lie somewhere in his article? For that matter, did George Wallace tell a lie. Before you answer, walk thru a black neighborhood and get your baptism of fire, then come back and tell me all about your experience.

It goes on and on, in the same vein.

73 wrenchwench  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:16:32pm

re: #63 Ace-o-aces

American Thinker has piece up saying Derb went too far. American. F**cking. Thinker. Let that clank aound in your brain for a bit. If you're too racist for American Thinker, then you are REALLY racist.

Went too far like he's wrong? or went too far like he should have kept it in the closet?

74 Plantsmantx  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:16:59pm

re: #64 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Try PhotoScape.

[Link: www.photoscape.org...]

75 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:17:45pm

re: #71 sattv4u2

I think I may have spotted you the other day.

76 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:18:13pm

re: #73 wrenchwench

Went too far like he's wrong? or went too far like he should have kept it in the closet?

From the article:

Derbyshire goes too far. His qualified, common sense advice on staying safe notwithstanding, there is an ugly undertone to his writing that is, if not racist, then certainly ignorant and shallow. Don't play good Samaritan if a black is "in distress" on the highway? What if the unfortunate needs assistance that would save his life? What kind of lessons is he teaching his children? And while only the most rabid racialist would say something negative about Derbyshire's warning to his kids to avoid heavily black neighborhoods, what is his problem with attending events where there are a lot of blacks, or his advice not to live in a municipality run by black politicians? This is utter nonsense and shows an ignorance profoundly disturbing to the sensibilities of fair minded people.

The author is getting ripped apart for saying this, BTW. The readers disagree with him, as the comments above show.

77 abolitionist  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:23:05pm

re: #64 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Irfanview might be worth a look; can do color and contrast adj, conv to b/w, resize, sharpen, etc. And there are plugins available for some extra fns. Freeware.

78 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:25:58pm

re: #76 Lidane

From the article:

With attitudes like we've read among these whites, what black community would not view whites very suspiciously and with anger?

I walk into aboriginal communities all the time where I'm the only non-aboriginal and I get glances from people who don't know me. All I do is smile and say hi, then ask for someone I know, or explain why I'm there. Five minutes later everybody is going through the 'get to know you' phase.

79 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:26:35pm

re: #77 abolitionist

Irfanview might be worth a look; can do color and contrast adj, conv to b/w, resize, sharpen, etc. And there are plugins available for some extra fns. Freeware.

Gimp works well but has a steep learning curve.

80 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:29:26pm

re: #55 Lidane

The very 1st comment there:

In the past few week, I have seen Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson numerous times on television engaging in very open and very obvious racist rants. The feelings they have stirred up have caused people to be attacked. Have you written about them?

Oh. Of course.

81 Ace-o-aces  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:31:18pm

re: #73 wrenchwench

They seem to say he should have kept it quiet.

82 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:32:09pm

And, another sweep of the bottom comments!
alinuxguru is a winner!

83 wrenchwench  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:32:15pm

re: #76 Lidane

From the article:

The author is getting ripped apart for saying this, BTW. The readers disagree with him, as the comments above show.

Looks like Moran was OK with it up to a point. 'Race realism' is OK, but don't be ugly about it.

I guess 'he went too far' is better than 'he didn't go far enough'. It's nice to see them struggle with that 'point of balance'. And to write about it for everyone to see.

84 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:32:15pm

re: #63 Ace-o-aces

American Thinker has piece up saying Derb went too far. American. F**cking. Thinker. Let that clank aound in your brain for a bit. If you're too racist for American Thinker, then you are REALLY racist.

They can disagree, but I think this is one of those cases where the opinion elites are going to ignore their base and do what they think is politically wise. By letting the wingnuts rage at articles making clear that Derbyshire is both wrong and a racist ass they set up a situation where he can be let go "more in sorrow than in anger", to use the Four Mandarins* favored term-of-art.

*: Two updings to everyone who gets this reference.

85 TedStriker  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:37:51pm

re: #63 Ace-o-aces

American Thinker has piece up saying Derb went too far. American. F**cking. Thinker. Let that clank aound in your brain for a bit. If you're too racist for American Thinker, then you are REALLY racist.

Trust me, American Thinker doesn't think The Derb went too far in his beliefs, because many in their readership subscribe to those same beliefs; what they are castigating him for is that he put it all out in the open, unvarnished, and make them (and modern "conservatism") look bad in the eyes of mainstream America.

86 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:38:33pm

re: #83 wrenchwench

Looks like Moran was OK with it up to a point. 'Race realism' is OK, but don't be ugly about it.

I guess 'he went too far' is better than 'he didn't go far enough'. It's nice to see them struggle with that 'point of balance'. And to write about it for everyone to see.

I'd give him a bit more credit than that. What he is saying is that Derbyshire's racial separatism is an avenue to permanent racial hostility (which has baleful consequences). Moran knows that such separatism is a sure way to inflame racial tensions still further, and moreover it is entirely contrary to the American spirit of Fair Play.

I'd agree with that sentiment, and go one further: Anyone who agrees with John Derbyshire's racist essay should never afterward be considered a "Real American", unless they sincerely repent of those beliefs. Because if you stand with Derb, you stand against America.

87 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:39:42pm

I will give RedState props even tho I hate them. They did denounce this in no uncertain terms.

88 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:40:50pm

Lets! Get! Ready! To RUMBLE!

89 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:41:22pm

re: #88 Gus

Lets! Get! Ready! To RUMBLE!

Whahappnd?

90 Obdicut  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:42:38pm

re: #87 Johnny Derp

That's literally the least anyone could do. What I'm hoping is that some places will see this as a wake-up call. Just as Schiavo brought John Cole around, as well as quite a few people I know personally, I think that incidents like this where the confederate elements really sit up and hiss does help a the scales fall from a few eyes.

91 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:42:43pm

re: #89 Johnny Derp

Whahappnd?

Look at the Spy.

92 Obdicut  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:43:22pm

This loaf of bread I'm baking smells goddamn amazing

93 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:43:24pm

Fire in the hole!

94 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:43:31pm

re: #91 Gus

AAAAA!

95 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:43:47pm
96 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:44:42pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

It's out!

97 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:45:52pm

re: #96 Gus

Did you save a copy in case deleted?

98 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:46:17pm

re: #97 Johnny Derp

Did you save a copy in case deleted?

Yep. Taken care of.

99 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:47:04pm

re: #98 Gus

*admiringly* How the f did you find it?

100 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:48:36pm

re: #99 Johnny Derp

*admiringly* How the f did you find it?

Well. I saw that they were all trolling the heck out of Charles on Twitter so I got a little steamed and went looking for something. I ran into the video by accident.

101 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:51:15pm

re: #100 Gus

Well. I saw that they were all trolling the heck out of Charles on Twitter so I got a little steamed and went looking for something. I ran into the video by accident.

Why you devious little Peronist Progressive you... Well done Gus! That's giving Rodan AKA Daedalus AKA Dorkus the smackdown he deserves. Let's see if we can knock down two haters for the price of one!

102 Obdicut  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:52:25pm

I get my haters for wholesale at Barney's Internet Flame-o-rama.

103 dragonfire1981  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:53:51pm

Image: danriehl.jpg

Dang Charles, you've REALLY pissed Dan off today. I seriously think the man has what is now an unhealthy obsession with you.

He actually tried to blame YOU and LGF for what Breivik did.

You also have to love how he calls all of us sycophants.

104 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:53:57pm

re: #100 Gus

Well. I saw that they were all trolling the heck out of Charles on Twitter so I got a little steamed and went looking for something. I ran into the video by accident.

I think you should emphasize the n-word usage. Not everybody will sit through the whole recording. I know it's a bit pathetic to emphasize this among his reminiscences (or fantasies) of cutting people up, but that's how this stuff works.

105 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:54:10pm

re: #102 Obdicut

I get my haters for wholesale at Barney's Internet Flame-o-rama.

was this guy your salesperson?

106 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:56:53pm

No surprise here -- readers over at The Blaze (Google Cache link) are defending Derbyshire:

With the Federal Government shilling for minorities to buy votes the same way they have since 1968 , it’s good advice.
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Political correctness is destroying our country. Looks like this guy decided not to be politically correct. Its about time, I would like to see more of this in the mainstream media LOL
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The author is correct and offers good advice. It is as simple as that. Blacks do NOT want equal rights, they want the white man to pay for every thing that has been done to them since the birth of time. It is that simple.

This does not only apply to black neighborhoods. If Zimmerman were not half hispanic, things would be worse.

The guy is dead on correct in what he says and the double standard that whites cant feel the same as blacks is evident in the link within the article. It sucks to say, buthe author is likely going to save lives if people listen to him.
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This administration has declared a war on the Constitution, a war on oil, a war on coal, a war on cars, etc. etc.

Sorry, let’s just cut to the core and call it what it really is, its a war on Whitey.

Basically, Obama has said so in very many different ways.
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Commom sense.
Time to tell the true again in the news, articles, let’s expose the situation on the light of the true.
Lord Jesus be with you.
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Yes, we must cow tow to packs of wild animals who suffer little to no consequences for criminal behavior. They are bigger, badder, meaner & more violent so we must fear them and give them their space for our own self preservation. It makes perfect sense in a ‘Lord of the Flies’ kind of way. I feel we are very close to that kind of scenario.
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“‘Stay Out of Heavily Black Neighborhoods’: National Review Writer Under Fire for Racial Column...So now wisdom is under fire in America…Niiiice…Obamanation is for losers…
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It’s a shame, that political correctness has so warped the sense of reality in this country, that common sense cannot be spoken by whites, without them immediately being labeled as racists or hate mongers. The truth is, blacks do commit much more crime than whites do, and they are much more likely to target whites when they do.

Also, we have Muslims who we cannot speak ill about, because it might damage this contrived fantasy that they are all a peace loving people who do nothing to deserve all the “discrimination” that is heaped upon them. The fact is, they are people who are arrogant in their superiority and mostly do not assimilate into a community where they relocate to, and they are members of a religion that commands them to destroy rather than tolerate others that are not like them.

I don’t fancy myself to be a “racist”, but the fact is, that you are encouraged to be proud of your ethnicity if you are any other color than white. We have clubs, organizations, government programs, hiring preferences, scholarships, tv programs, etc., etc., all specifically for non-whites, yet if there is ever even the suggestion that any of those things should be created for whites, then that person is immediately vilified as a “racist”. Folks, enough with the white guilt, be proud of who you are and stop letting others rule your life and your self-respect as a person, simply because of the color of your skin…..*hint*….despite what the world will tell you, that is
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I just had to have this talk with my 17 year old son. Shame on black people in America! Shame on you! This is your tarnished spot in the annals of history.
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107 dragonfire1981  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:58:21pm

I'm sorry to go back to this point, but I've been going over Riehl's "schoolyard fight" story in my head and I just can't find any logic behind whatsoever.

I remember playground fights in grade school. We didn't give a crap about race, it was just "oh, this big kid is going to fight this little kid at recess, who do you think is going to win?"

Sometimes, a friend would jump in to help someone, but it had nothing to do with race.

I also love how he leaves out the natural conclusion to most schoolyard fights: A trip to the principal's office and/or a stern talking to from your parents. Translation: Fights, whether racially driven or not SHOULD and most often DO have consequences.

Apparently, the only thing that matters to Dan Riehl is what side you're on.

I don't even use Twitter and I'm considering signing up just to fire back at Dan a little bit. This is nuts.

108 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:58:41pm

re: #96 Gus

It's out!

He sounds like such a nice kid.
/

109 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:58:57pm

re: #104 Johnny Derp

I think you should emphasize the n-word usage. Not everybody will sit through the whole recording. I know it's a bit pathetic to emphasize this among his reminiscences (or fantasies) of cutting people up, but that's how this stuff works.

OK. Added something. So. What do you think? Pretty bad huh? Damn stuff is out there.

110 bratwurst  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:59:18pm

Off topic...but I just learned the hard way that attempting to access one's Hotmail account from Ukraine can lead to blocking of same. :( I am having a lovely time here aside from that though.

111 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 2:59:18pm

re: #107 dragonfire1981

I'm sorry to go back to this point, but I've been going over Riehl's "schoolyard fight" story in my head and I just can't find any logic behind whatsoever.

I remember playground fights in grade school. We didn't give a crap about race, it was just "oh, this big kid is going to fight this little kid at recess, who do you think is going to win?"

Sometimes, a friend would jump in to help someone, but it had nothing to do with race.

I also love how he leaves out the natural conclusion to most schoolyard fights: A trip to the principal's office and/or a stern talking to from your parents. Translation: Fights, whether racially driven or not SHOULD and most often DO have consequences.

Apparently, the only thing that matters to Dan Riehl is what side you're on.

I don't even use Twitter and I'm considering signing up just to fire back at Dan a little bit. This is nuts.

It's a fabrication.

112 Cankles McCellulite  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:01:39pm

re: #14 erik_t

i don't buy his story either! I call totally-super-bullshit.

113 Obdicut  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:01:45pm

re: #106 Lidane

I love this guy.

I don’t fancy myself to be a “racist”, but the fact is, that you are encouraged to be proud of your ethnicity if you are any other color than white. We have clubs, organizations, government programs, hiring preferences, scholarships, tv programs, etc., etc., all specifically for non-whites

It's like he's never heard of stuff like the Irish-American Police Officer's Association. Every group that at one point was part of the underclass-- Swedes, Irish, Hispanic, Jewish-- has organizations and clubs. The ones for the white folk tend to have less gettin' ahead to do, but they still serve an important place in their member's lives. I've got nothing against a cop with an Irish-American heritage joining that association, as long as they'll admit anyone with Irish ancestry in the police to it.

So there, an easy example of an organization-- one that funds scholarships, no less-- for people who are 'white'.

114 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:02:16pm

Uh. Please don't derail that page into something about Reagan. Thanks.

115 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:04:02pm

re: #114 Gus

Uh. Please don't derail that page into something about Reagan. Thanks.

Wilco.

116 dragonfire1981  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:05:05pm

re: #106 Lidane

No surprise here -- readers over at The Blaze (Google Cache link) are defending Derbyshire:

Oh good lord. FUCK THESE PEOPLE!

Let me tell you something, morons.

HATE does NOT discriminate. It cuts across ALL skin colors, ALL religions, ALL ethnic groups and ALL nations.

There are black people I do not like. There are black people I would take a bullet for.

There are Hispanic people I do not like. There are Hispanic people I would take a bullet before.

There are white people I do not like. There are white people I would take a bullet for.

I DO NOT JUDGE. You can determine so little, so VERY little from the color of one's skin. I refuse to profile people or make assumptions based simply on their ethnicity.

It's wrong. It breaks my heart to no end thinking of the millions who have suffered and died throughout history and continue to suffer and die today because of skin color.

Why not take a look under the skin for a change? Guess what you'll find? RED BLOOD...Inside EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US.

We're really not that different after all.

The kind of rhetoric these people are spouting has NO PLACE in The United States of America 2012.

117 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:05:29pm

re: #113 Obdicut

This one says a lot in a few words:

Commom sense.
Time to tell the true again in the news, articles, let’s expose the situation on the light of the true.
Lord Jesus be with you.

So he agrees with Derbyshire's racist tripe, then throws out a religious blessing? WTF.

118 dragonfire1981  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:06:11pm

re: #111 No Monkey Man (Born With a Banana in my Hand)

It's a fabrication.

I realize that but...and I guess the fact that I'm a fiction writer comes in to play here...I think that even a fabrication should have some logical flow to it. It should at least be plausible. Riehl's story doesn't even come close.

119 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:06:27pm

re: #109 Gus

I think you've forged a fine weapon.

120 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:06:44pm

Only a pussy would think joining a street gang makes them tough. What a freakin' loser.

Nice find, BTW. Go Gus!!!

121 Stanghazi  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:07:20pm

re: #116 dragonfire1981

Kudos for saying it so freaking clearly.

122 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:07:32pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

It's far from being settled whether racism was a factor in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, of course. But the right is already pretending there was absolutely no racism involved, anywhere.

No, no, various wingnuts are insisting that there was tons of racism involved, just against THEM.

123 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:09:37pm

re: #117 Lidane

This one says a lot in a few words:

So he agrees with Derbyshire's racist tripe, then throws out a religious blessing? WTF.

Jesus was white wasn't he?

124 Cankles McCellulite  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:09:53pm

re: #122 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes and they felt especially victimized when the media tried to claim that a Hispanic man was white!

125 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:11:26pm

re: #118 dragonfire1981

I realize that but...and I guess the fact that I'm a fiction writer comes in to play here...I think that even a fabrication should have some logical flow to it. It should at least be plausible. Riehl's story doesn't even come close.

As soon as I read it I knew it was fiction. Riehl isn't logical in anything he does.

126 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:11:36pm

re: #10 erik_t

All middle schoolers think first and foremost about RACEWAR!!!1 on the playground.

Does this clown expect anyone to take him seriously?

There are racial issues, and middle schoolers have to deal with them. I don't find the story improbable.

It's the leap that takes you to 'the best way to handle this is to teach your children to be snobby little racist assholes' that I object to.

Friend of mine was once pistol-whipped in a robbery by a man who addressed her as 'you n***** bitch'. She's white, he was black. There's a wealth of issues here, and a lot of fear that she had to get over.

You know what she hasn't done? She hasn't told her kids that black people are inherently scary and dangerous. Although she's very clear that people with unregistered guns in their hands who walk into your place of employment just before closing are pretty much inherently scary and dangerous.

127 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:11:44pm

re: #123 No Monkey Man (Born With a Banana in my Hand)

Jesus was white wasn't he?

And Republican. And an advocate of Supply Side Economics.

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128 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:12:17pm

re: #119 Johnny Derp

I think you've forged a fine weapon.

Indeed. A true Simiril Jewel of a Page, catching the light of truth and with the power to burn any evil it touches.

Note: This is a LotR reference and does not represent a desire for harm to come to any person.

129 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:13:25pm

re: #14 erik_t

I'm not. On what planet is two twelve-year-olds fighting some kind of flashpoint for a black-v-white playground free-for-all? Presumably it's the one where all pickup games are blacks vs. whites?

I don't claim my smell test is infallible, but if Riehl were attempting to play to his audience, I don't see how he could invent a better storyline from scratch.

My cousins dealt with some pretty complicated racial politics in school, and that was in San Diego in the eighties and early nineties. How old is Riehl, and where did he grow up?

130 Obdicut  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:14:49pm

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

I think memory tends to fail, conflate, and invent a lot. That he'd somehow have this very clear memory of a brief encounter back when he was in sixth grade-- with a guy he's lost touch with, so isn't reminded of often; I can't think of any memories from that time period I could say with certainty what someone said or that my interpretation of it at the time was correct.

131 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:16:51pm

re: #63 Ace-o-aces

American Thinker has piece up saying Derb went too far. American. F**cking. Thinker. Let that clank aound in your brain for a bit. If you're too racist for American Thinker, then you are REALLY racist.

American Thinker, Forbes...I'm seeing a pattern forming here.

132 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:19:25pm

Gus, you have made my day. I hate fascists, and I hate gang bangers. The only way this could be better is if he were a zombie on top of all that. Fuck that wimpy douche bag.

133 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:21:05pm

re: #132 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Gus, you have made my day. I hate fascists, and I hate gang bangers. The only way this could be better is if he were a zombie on top of all that. Fuck that wimpy douche bag.

YW. I couldn't believe my ears when I heard his crap. How could anyone even be that stupid to reveal such things in an internet audio chat? Seriously? The content of that rhetoric is of course the worst since he at one point admits to a hate crime against a mosque if I heard correctly.

134 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:23:06pm

re: #130 Obdicut

I think memory tends to fail, conflate, and invent a lot. That he'd somehow have this very clear memory of a brief encounter back when he was in sixth grade-- with a guy he's lost touch with, so isn't reminded of often; I can't think of any memories from that time period I could say with certainty what someone said or that my interpretation of it at the time was correct.

Because you (and I) know that even if we think we remember, it doesn't necessarily mean we do remember and not just imagine/conflate/falsely conjure (although I am sure I remember a couple of moments from kindergarten... ;). Riehl is too dumb for such introspection.

135 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:25:16pm

BTW, now this may be a good time to try to contact whoever uploaded this and see if there is more...

136 Obdicut  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:25:27pm

re: #134 Johnny Derp

My two brothers and I have endless arguments about how stuff really went down in our childhood. Who got more lasagna in 1989 is still a pretty important topic.

137 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:27:00pm

re: #72 Lidane

The comments for that article (Google Cache link, BTW) are instructive:

It goes on and on, in the same vein.

Black on white rapes number in the tens of thousands every year. White on black rapes number in the hundreds.

This, BTW, is bullshit. Something similar was being touted on Taki's shithole, so I looked up the stats.

It's pretty straightforward.

There are about 90,000 reported rapes in the U.S. annually. RAINN estimates about 208,000 sexual assaults committed as opposed to reported.

3.3% are black-on-white. 3.4% are white-on-black (which means, BTW, a much MUCH higher percentage of black victims of interracial rape proportionately.)

Rape is overwhelmingly an in-race, in-community crime.

But these guys are shameless, and they know how useful the the 'black men rape white women' bullshit has always been to American racists.

138 kirkspencer  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:27:18pm

re: #106 Lidane

[from quoted passage] I don’t fancy myself to be a “racist”, but the fact is, that you are encouraged to be proud of your ethnicity if you are any other color than white.

OK, this one gets on my nerves every time I hear it. It was especially bad to hear it on St. Patrick's day (kiss me I'm Irish, anyone?). But the Irish aren't alone. There's Oktoberfest. There are a crapload of Celtic festivals that emphasize the Scots over the Irish. Oh, let's not forget the tons of Scandinavian celebrations through Wisconsin and Minnesota (and some communities in Iowa and North Dakota). Polish fests (the big one is in Milwaukee, but they're all through the midwest).

These racists will whine that they aren't allowed ethnic pride. What utterly galls me is that they BELIEVE it, and will boggle when confronted with a list of counterpoints - usually followed by "But that's not the same."

Sorry, had to vent.

139 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:31:00pm

re: #130 Obdicut

I think memory tends to fail, conflate, and invent a lot. That he'd somehow have this very clear memory of a brief encounter back when he was in sixth grade-- with a guy he's lost touch with, so isn't reminded of often; I can't think of any memories from that time period I could say with certainty what someone said or that my interpretation of it at the time was correct.

Perhaps, and quite probably.

I don't find the story improbable. What he's doing with it as an adult...that's another matter.

140 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:35:14pm

re: #138 kirkspencer

OK, this one gets on my nerves every time I hear it. It was especially bad to hear it on St. Patrick's day (kiss me I'm Irish, anyone?). But the Irish aren't alone. There's Oktoberfest. There are a crapload of Celtic festivals that emphasize the Scots over the Irish. Oh, let's not forget the tons of Scandinavian celebrations through Wisconsin and Minnesota (and some communities in Iowa and North Dakota). Polish fests (the big one is in Milwaukee, but they're all through the midwest).

These racists will whine that they aren't allowed ethnic pride. What utterly galls me is that they BELIEVE it, and will boggle when confronted with a list of counterpoints - usually followed by "But that's not the same."

Sorry, had to vent.

My family goes to Scottish and Irish festivals all the time. It's fantastic. Also--not everyone celebrating their Scottish and Irish heritage is white! And not everyone at the Juneteenth celebration is black! And not everyone in the Chinese New Year Parade is Asian!

Jeez, people. What they mean is, they want to subscribe to this pan-European identity crap, and go around saying they're WHITE and proud, without having to deal with the racist implications there, and sorry, dudes, I can't help you there, because that shit is tainted to the core, and there's no help for it, and also, that's the only reason you want it, so STFU.

141 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 3:52:48pm

So not only is Derbyshire an admitted racist an homophobe, he's also a sexist:

In 2009, Derbyshire Argued Women Shouldn’t Vote: ‘Women Voting Is Bad For Conservatism’

The 2009 article TP references is here:

National Review’s John Derbyshire: Women Should Not Have The Right To Vote

And people on the right are suddenly shocked/saddened/disappointed/etc. that the same man who could say this shit turns out to be an inveterate racist and white supremacist?

142 Patricia Kayden  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 5:43:18pm

I'm sure that Derby will be picked up by some other rightwing website, such as Breitbart.com. Not sure why the rightwing is so alarmed by his article. I'm pretty sure that his article captures what they think about Black people and say about Black people behind closed doors.

143 Flavia  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:23:44am

re: #141 Lidane

And people on the right are suddenly shocked/saddened/disappointed/etc. that the same man who could say this [sexist & gay-bashing] shit turns out to be an inveterate racist and white supremacist?

As I have always said: Bigots NEVER hate just one innocent group. Racists are also sexist, homophobes, antisemites - you name it.

But among all the "doesn't ring true" bits of that story, the one that struck me the hardest was the dialogue: "I'll have to be with my people." What, an 11 year old 6th grader is suddenly Frederick Douglass?


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