John Derbyshire Is Just a Little Too Openly Racist for NRO

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Notice that in this post announcing the firing of John Derbyshire from National Review, Rich Lowry doesn’t use the word “racist” once: Parting Ways - by Rich Lowry - the Corner - National Review Online.

Anyone who has read Derb in our pages knows he’s a deeply literate, funny, and incisive writer. I direct anyone who doubts his talents to his delightful first novel, “Seeing Calvin Coolidge in a Dream,” or any one of his “Straggler” columns in the books section of NR. Derb is also maddening, outrageous, cranky, and provocative. His latest provocation, in a webzine, lurches from the politically incorrect to the nasty and indefensible. We never would have published it, but the main reason that people noticed it is that it is by a National Review writer. Derb is effectively using our name to get more oxygen for views with which we’d never associate ourselves otherwise. So there has to be a parting of the ways. Derb has long danced around the line on these issues, but this column is so outlandish it constitutes a kind of letter of resignation. It’s a free country, and Derb can write whatever he wants, wherever he wants. Just not in the pages of NR or NRO, or as someone associated with NR any longer.

For the record, I wish NRO hadn’t fired him. Now they can use that as cover for the constant race-baiting and masked racism that continues daily at the site.

But as Ta-Nehisi Coates points out, Derbyshire himself admitted he was a racist years ago. What took so long?

Rich Lowry and National Review were very embarrassed by Derbyshire’s disgusting racist article, and they had no choice but to fire him. But it’s obvious that Lowry’s trying to do it in a way that won’t piss off their readers, who’ve been following Derbyshire for decades and agreeing with every word he’s written.

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1 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 6:44:15pm

Maybe one of the possible answers is that he is just not that far from the rest of them?

2 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 6:49:28pm

THEY JUST NOTICED THIS

THE NRO HAD NO IDEA, THEY ARE JUST SHOCKED AND APPALLED


pull the other one, NRO

3 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 6:49:34pm

Dan Riehl's having a major meltdown on Twitter, by the way. It's pretty amusing.

4 jaunte  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 6:49:51pm

Justifying irrational fear is so provocative!

5 jaunte  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 6:50:40pm


No comment needed.

6 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 6:50:50pm

The first rule of white club is you DO NOT talk about white club.

7 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 6:51:37pm

You're wrong, Charles. National Review is a clean publication in the main. You won't find the kind of rampant racism you describe there. Cut them some slack.

8 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 6:51:42pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

I wouldn't want to meet this individual in a dark alley, that's for sure. And if an event swells with Dan Riehls, one better get out.

9 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 6:52:52pm

re: #2 windupbird is in the gravity well

THEY JUST NOTICED THIS

THE NRO HAD NO IDEA, THEY ARE JUST SHOCKED AND APPALLED

pull the other one, NRO

Well, it solves their 'mystery writer' on the men's room stalls.

10 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 6:53:17pm
11 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 6:54:14pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

You're wrong, Charles. National Review is a clean publication in the main. You won't find the kind of rampant racism you describe there. Cut them some slack.

12 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 6:54:15pm

re: #8 Johnny Derp

I wouldn't want to meet this individual in a dark alley, that's for sure. And if an event swells with Dan Riehls, one better get out.

I'd be fine meeting Riehl in a dark alley, it's Riehl who'd be in trouble.

/I have no desire to hurt him, though. In real life, I'd put my back to the alley wall and let Riehl pass if he was willing to do so.

13 elizajane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 6:54:51pm

Over at Red State, they're banning people like mad. And the people they are banning are the ones who comment in support of Derbyshire. Leon Wolf writes:

"He is not, as his defenders at the execrable Taki mag say, confronting the world with uncomfortable truths, he is proudly declaring himself to be a racist and arguing that it is correct to be racist. This, I submit, is something that all decent people should reject."

Derbyshire showed where the line is that decent conservatives do not cross. Remarkable, though, how many indecent ones there appear to be.

[Link: www.redstate.com...]

14 dragonath  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 6:55:10pm

Translation: "He hurt our brand. It's someone else's problem now."

Somehow I don't think NRO is really going to fight against the racism on the right.

15 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 6:56:08pm

Derbyshire is not the only racist writing for NRO. And don't even get me started on their support for creationists and their denial of climate change.

Sorry, DF -- you're in deep denial of who you're supporting. I hope you'll wake up before you really regret it.

16 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 6:56:42pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

You're wrong, Charles. National Review is a clean publication in the main. You won't find the kind of rampant racism you describe there. Cut them some slack.

What do you think about this piece by Robert Spencer?

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

Duss claims that we are part of “an organized campaign to spread misinformation about the religious faith of millions of Americans” — while denying that he is “peddling ‘conspiracy theories’” about us. He makes much of the fact that the reliably Leftist Anti-Defamation League has smeared us also, asking rhetorically, “Should the Anti-Defamation League also be lumped among the ‘jihadist apologists’?” Why not? Why should it be surprising that an organization that consistently follows a far-Left political line would follow it in this also?

17 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 6:57:21pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

You're wrong, Charles. National Review is a clean publication in the main. You won't find the kind of rampant racism you describe there. Cut them some slack.

gimme a break!


Seriously, give me

a fucking

break.

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

18 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 6:58:34pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

You're wrong, Charles. National Review is a clean publication in the main. You won't find the kind of rampant racism you describe there. Cut them some slack.

this is your National Review:

To summarize: What Obama has made available is a Hawaiian “certification of live birth” (emphasis added), not a birth certificate (or what the state calls a “certificate of live birth”). The certification form provides a short, very general attestation of a few facts about the person’s birth: name and sex of the newborn; date and time of birth; city or town of birth, along with the name of the Hawaiian island and the county; the mother’s maiden name and race; the father’s name and race; and the date the certification was filed. This certification is not the same thing as the certificate, which is what I believe we were referring to in the editorial as “the state records that are used to generate birth certificates [sic] when they are requested.”

Sounds like a birther racist pigfucker to me

19 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:01:18pm

Dark, what about this?

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

MARCH 15, 2011 4:00 A.M.
Obama: The Man Who Would Be King
It’s time to face reality and declare Barry the Emperor Hussein.

[...]

Rather, I’m talking about the movement afoot to make our beloved bonze, Barry, a.k.a. His Serene Majesty the Emperor Barack Hussein Obama II, Lord of the Flies, Keeper of the Hoops, Master of the Greens, and Protector of the Holy Cities of Honolulu and Chicago, into a, you know, honest-to-Gaia emperor.

[...]

You perhaps may have noticed that the former Mr. Barry Soetoro already has lots of different names and titles, so why not make it official and add the one toward which he has striven all his charmed, magical life? You’d think that Barry, Barry Obama, Barry Soetoro, the Punahou Kid, Barack Obama Jr., Barack Hussein Obama, Barack Hussein Obama II, State Senator Barack Obama, Senator Barack Hussein Obama, President Barack Hussein Obama, Nobel Peace Prize winner Barack Hussein Obama, and the First Black President would be enough for anybody, but the one thing we men of the Left love about Mr. Multiple Handles is his unceasing, restless, relentless quest for his next résumé topper.

[...]

Still, Michelle would have a real shot of slipping into Queen Kapiolani’s muumuu collection and making it her own, especially after a few more meals of short ribs in Vail, the calorie count of which is only slightly offset by her incessant finger-wagging at the rest of us.

20 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:01:26pm

you gotta love these pigs

The editorial desire to put to rest the “Obama was born in Kenya” canard is justifiable. The overwhelming evidence is that Obama was born an American citizen on Aug. 4, 1961, which almost certainly makes him constitutionally eligible to hold his office. I say “almost certainly” because Obama, as we shall see, presents complex dual-citizenship issues. For now, let’s just stick with what’s indisputable: He was also born a Kenyan citizen. In theory, that could raise a question about whether he qualifies as a “natural born” American — an uncharted constitutional concept.

a black guy in power raises questions?

say it ain't so, Jim Crow

21 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:02:44pm

re: #19 Johnny Derp

Dark, what about this?

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

Is that from World Net Daily? Wait...

22 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:03:33pm

I'm just here to hear Bird say pigfucker.

23 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:03:37pm

re: #19 Johnny Derp

scumbags are always scum

My first thought was that we should offer Barry the vacant throne of his native Hawaiian Islands. Sure, he’d have to put on three or four hundred pounds to fit the royal robes of King Kamehameha, but even Barry might blanch at the thought of adding King Kam’s full moniker to his roster of names: Kalani Pai’ea Wohi o Kaleikini Keali’ikui Kamehameha o ’Iolani i Kaiwikapu kaui Ka Liholiho Kūnuiākea, the Second. Still, Michelle would have a real shot of slipping into Queen Kapiolani’s muumuu collection and making it her own, especially after a few more meals of short ribs in Vail, the calorie count of which is only slightly offset by her incessant finger-wagging at the rest of us.

they're always racist pigs, always

24 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:04:18pm

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

I'm just here to hear Bird say pigfucker.

ideally, I say it through teeth clenching an unlit cigarette

don't let the swine give you any guff!

25 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:04:35pm

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Asian-Americans are in an uproar over the cover of a leading conservative weekly that depicts President Clinton and the First Lady bucktoothed, with narrow-slit eyes, wearing stereotypical Chinese clothing. "We find the cover extremely offensive and racist," said Daphne Kwok, executive director of the Organization of Chinese Americans, one of many groups that have flooded the National Review's New York office with protest letters since the magazine hit newsstands last week. "It's reminiscent of the caricature made of the Chinese in the 1800s. The derogatory cartoons then were exactly the same," Kwok said of the magazine's cover illustration, which also has Vice President Gore wearing reddish Buddist robes money popping out of a donation tin. Gore's getup is a reference to his fund-raising appearance at a questionable Buddhist temple in Los Angeles. "The artist had President Clinton serving tea, a not-so-subtle image of Asians as servants in America," said Aki Soga, who monitors media coverage for the Asian American Journalists Association. Critics also charged that the title of the cover story, "The Manchurian Candidates," is offensive. "It obviously refers to brainwashing by the Chinese Communists. But based on the facts, it's clearly an exaggeration," said Margaret Fung of the Asian American Legal Defense and Education Fund. "It is even more extreme than the story inside.

26 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:04:57pm

re: #14 Beware the Green Dragon!

Translation: "He hurt our brand. It's someone else's problem now."

Somehow I don't think NRO is really going to fight against the racism on the right.

the real tragedy is that we couldn't keep him on as a writer, because he's telling people how we at the NRO feel

27 jvic  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:05:06pm

But as Ta-Nehisi Coates points out, Derbyshire himself admitted he was a racist years ago. What took so long?

Maybe they recognize that imperfect human beings can and do engage in both good and evil.

(Full disclosure: the foregoing is cribbed from one of my favorite Democrats.)

28 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:07:06pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

You're wrong, Charles. National Review is a clean publication in the main. You won't find the kind of rampant racism you describe there. Cut them some slack.

I'm downdinging you because they're not clean, and just in the last thread someone posted an entire run of NR authors dogwhistling.

They're not clean, nor honest, and they don't merit your defense.

29 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:07:52pm

re: #16 Johnny Derp

What do you think about this piece by Robert Spencer?

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

Crap, and it wouldn't have been published if that hadn't given a Spencer an earlier guest spot (the piece is a reply to a letter critical of Spencer's article). Thankfully, Spencer isn't a regular, with that short series of three posts being his first NRO appearance in 2 1/2 years.

Much more visible were the recent defenses of civil rights legislation and Kevin D. Williamson takedown of the Paulians by evicerating Murray Rothbard, a paleo-con from whom much of Ron Paul's thinking derives.

30 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:08:09pm
[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]


It’s Not About Africa, It’s About America
By Bill Bennett
April 7, 2010 4:18 P.M.
I never bought into the notion that the Obamas were these highly intellectual people or that they would usher in a new kind of bipartisanship or restore American credibility (which I also didn’t think needed restoration). But on the intellectual front, one thing I did take note of was Michelle Obama’s problems with America. She spoke of it as a mean country. She said it wasn’t until 2008 that she was proud of it. And now we have audio from 2008 that just surfaced where she states, “When we took our trip to Africa and visited [Barack's] home country in Kenya, we took a public HIV test.”

There could be a lot of meanings to that, but you know when Bill Clinton was found having an affair in the White House, one of the myriad questions was, with all the questions already surrounding his ethical behavior, why would he do that too? With all the questions surrounding the Obamas, why would she say this, too? And notice how easily it trips off her tongue. I don’t know that she or he — especially in light of Pastor Jeremiah Wright’s sermons — really thinks of this country first, or as exceptional. I really don’t. I think they think of it as part of a community of nations, no greater than any other. When you hear Obama talk of American exceptionalism and say it’s no different than how the British or Greeks think of their country, you truly get that sense. And that’s deeply regrettable.

31 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:10:32pm

re: #19 Johnny Derp

Dark, what about this?

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

Kahane (a pseudonym, BTW) is always over-the-top like that. And while he makes fun of Obama's name, I don't consider that piece racist.

32 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:11:06pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

Crap, and it wouldn't have been published if that hadn't given a Spencer an earlier guest spot (the piece is a reply to a letter critical of Spencer's article). Thankfully, Spencer isn't a regular, with that short series of three posts being his first NRO appearance in 2 1/2 years.

Much more visible were the recent defenses of civil rights legislation and Kevin D. Williamson takedown of the Paulians by evicerating Murray Rothbard, a paleo-con from whom much of Ron Paul's thinking derives.

it's very easy for an establishment device like the NRO to attack the anti-establishment candidate Ron Paul, because he's a threat to them


it doesn't make them the good guys, and it says zeeeero about their racism, since repealing civil rights legislation is 100% outside the mainstream (whereas voter caging and denying the vote to black people is 2012 standard GOP practice)

I'm not fooled by these people, they are untrustworthy in the extreme

33 dragonath  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:12:11pm

re: #17 windupbird is in the gravity well

Okay, using this guy's logic I hereby certify everybody with the surname "McCarthy" as a far right ideologue. Because the name is more important than the person, amirite?

34 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:12:14pm

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

While the White House must beware not to inform our enemies what to expect if captured, today’s clueless anti-waterboarding rhetoric merits this tactic’s vigorous defense. Waterboarding is something of which every American should be proud.

35 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:12:17pm

re: #30 Johnny Derp

That one is just fine with me. Bill Bennett is targeting the words and actions of the Obamas, not their race. It's a piece entirely within bounds, and I defend in against any charge of racism.

36 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:14:16pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Kahane (a pseudonym, BTW) is always over-the-top like that. And while he makes fun of Obama's name, I don't consider that piece racist.

read it again in the shoes of someone who is of Hawaiian/polynesian descent, who is now hearing themselves described as a morbidly obese punchline


it's basically the whole black people like watermelon isn't that funny schtick, just aimed at polynesians

othering! it's what's for dinner!

37 Obdicut  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:14:48pm

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

And the bit about Michelle slipping into some mumus after eating some more short ribs?

38 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:14:49pm

It’s obvious that Rich Lowry’s trying to fire Derbyshire in a way that won’t piss off their readers, who’ve been following him for decades and agreeing with every word he’s written.

39 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:15:23pm

re: #37 Obdicut

And the bit about Michelle slipping into some mumus after eating some more short ribs?

Oh yeah. That.

40 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:15:46pm

re: #37 Obdicut

And the bit about Michelle slipping into some mumus after eating some more short ribs?

it's funny!


I love republican humor, oh ho a kneeslapper ho ho

I wonder why people of color don't trust guys who constantly make them into caricatures

41 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:16:19pm

re: #37 Obdicut

And the bit about Michelle slipping into some mumus after eating some more short ribs?

Insulting, but its a 'fat' insult. Not based on race.

42 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:16:36pm

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

That one is just fine with me. Bill Bennett is targeting the words and actions of the Obamas, not their race. It's a piece entirely within bounds, and I defend in against any charge of racism.

I'm not highlighting only racist pieces. That piece is making vague insinuations against Michelle Obama based on nothing. I don't care if it's racist, it's still dumb and inflammatory.

43 Obdicut  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:19:00pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

Insulting, but its a 'fat' insult. Not based on race.

It's based on the idea that Polynesians are fat, right?

44 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:20:04pm

re: #43 Obdicut

It's based on the idea that Polynesians are fat, right?

Not as far as I know. But I have not heard of that stereotype before, either.

45 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:20:39pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

Insulting, but its a 'fat' insult. Not based on race.

please explain to me how you would convince an American of polynesian descent that they should trust people who write such things

I'm trying to be nice here, think this through


why would anyone of color be motivated to support a conservative world view that is filled with this sort of rhetoric?

46 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:20:48pm

I will grant that NR is not as racist as it used to be. It's still plenty dumb.

47 Obdicut  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:22:06pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

Not as far as I know. But I have not heard of that stereotype before, either.

Well, yes, Dark, that is what it's based on-- that's why Obama and Michelle would have to gain weight to fit the ceremonial robes. It's based on the idea that polynesians are fat.

48 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:23:09pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

It’s obvious that Rich Lowry’s trying to fire Derbyshire in a way that won’t piss off their readers, who’ve been following him for decades and agreeing with every word he’s written.

Too bad it's not working. All you have to do is read through the comments for the other stories on The Corner to find NRO readers outraged about Derbyshire being fired:

Since Lowry appears to not only have banned John Derbyshire, but any comments regarding the sacking of John Derbyshire on *his* posts, I will post my farewells here.
If Derb occasionally stepped over the line he was otherwise far and away the only honest man at NRO with regards to issues of race, multiculturalism and immigration. He was the only man or woman here with the courage to tackle the PC fascists that NRO purports to oppose but silently cowers to. You cannot tackle the problems of this country without addressing the topics which the Left has deliberately banned from discussion.
I am happy to be done with NRO. If ever in the future I long for the stunningly insightful commentary of the neocon/neofeudalist/open borders/dirt cheap labor/invade-the-world-at-any cost-and-to-heck-with-the middle-class commentary in which NRO specializes, I promise to return.
---

Amen.
National Review shows itself to be cowards by summarily dismissing Derbyshire.
We Conservatives have had the charge of racism rammed our throats whenever we oppose the very obvious racism of those who pretend to lead us.
Yet, when we speak the obvious, illuminate the statistics, tell the truth, we are turned off much like Mr. Derbyshire here.
Shame on you.
You should be rising in support of him, pleading that he has the right to express his views and to confront the evils that he perceives.
Because it is just that - evil.
---

I guess my handle is going to be kind of awkward around here now, so goodbye.
To you nice married betaboys Lowry and Goldberg, if you think sacrificing Derb to the thought police will save your bacon in the long haul, you're very much mistaken.
Apparently we should have been more vocal when you purged Coulter.
---

Why isn't Rich letting people comment on his attack on Derbyshire? Is he afraid of what we might say?

And so on.

49 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:26:27pm

re: #43 Obdicut

It's based on the idea that Polynesians are fat, right?

You remember Antwan Rockamora? Half-Black, half-Samoan, used to call him "Tony Rocky Horror"?

50 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:28:08pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

All of the anti-Obama shit they've posted feeds at the same dog-whistling trough as the more explicitly racist online posters. An article about Barack Obama as a grass-skirt wearing tribal potentate? Michelle as a nagging fat glutton? I'm supposed to be impressed that the NRO subcontracts the actual N-bombing to affiliates?

51 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:28:46pm

re: #49 Satanic Ritual Kazoo

You remember Antwan Rockamora? Half-Black, half-Samoan, used to call him "Tony Rocky Horror"?

Nice way to work in a Pulp Fiction reference...

52 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:29:06pm

re: #48 Lidane

Why isn't Rich letting people comment on his attack on Derbyshire? Is he afraid of what we might say?

He's not "afraid" of it, he knows what they'll say.

53 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:29:50pm

This is a pretty good rundown of NRO shit-canning Derbyshire and the wingnuts defending him:

No Defense Of The Indefensible: Derbyshire Fired From NRO

54 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:33:27pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

He's not "afraid" of it, he knows what they'll say.

No point in letting people comment when most of it is going to be flames. But it was still the right call booting Derbyshire, and I think National Review is better for having done it.

55 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:36:03pm

re: #50 The Ghost of a Flea

I'm supposed to be impressed that the NRO subcontracts the actual N-bombing to affiliates?

Yes, this.

After Buckley figured out that the overt racism that National Review specialized in was no longer considered de rigueur, he and the rest of the RW media took Lee Atwater's strategy to heart, deliberately couching all their previously overt racism in talk of welfare queens, urban crime, The Bell Curve, and gangs/thugs/rappers. They let the loonies keep going on their merry way dropping racial slurs and N-words everywhere while they tried to be respectable.

Sorry, but just because you dress it up and make it look less offensive doesn't mean that the underlying racism doesn't exist, or that it isn't being exploited by the RW to win elections and gain a bunch of useful idiots to argue their agenda for them.

56 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:36:50pm

re: #48 Lidane

Too bad it's not working. All you have to do is read through the comments for the other stories on The Corner to find NRO readers outraged about Derbyshire being fired:

NRO has a bunch of writers that posture as bold truth-tellers as they compose flaw-riddled, lazily researched rhetoric--not to beat a dead horse, but their editor crapped out Liberal Fascism and thought it genius to redefine history with what amounted to a minor feat of semantic legerdemain. Their audience is made up of people that accepts that narrative.

Now that they're trying to marginalize a long-time contributor (and "out" racist since 2003)--surprise!! Derbyshire is lionized as a bold truth-teller and they're being labelled as laboring under false consciousness.

Live by bullshit, die by bullshit.

57 allegro  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:38:55pm

re: #53 Lidane

This is a pretty good rundown of NRO shit-canning Derbyshire and the wingnuts defending him:

No Defense Of The Indefensible: Derbyshire Fired From NRO

Line that wins the internets:

If your conversation has to be framed in terms that I am genetically, intellectually, socially or emotionally inferior to you because I’m not white, then no, we’re not having a “conversation on race”, we’re having a conversation on why you’re a racist.

58 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:40:16pm

re: #53 Lidane

This is a pretty good rundown of NRO shit-canning Derbyshire and the wingnuts defending him:

No Defense Of The Indefensible: Derbyshire Fired From NRO

Funny thing is, my opinion is that Derbyshire is clearly a racist, as are the people defending him, and the honest truth is that there are plenty of folks who don’t want to talk about race because they can only start from the position that pretty much everything in America went wrong once the South lost the Civil War. If your conversation has to be framed in terms that I am genetically, intellectually, socially or emotionally inferior to you because I’m not white, then no, we’re not having a “conversation on race”, we’re having a conversation on why you’re a racist.

Amen, ABL, amen...

59 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:41:21pm

re: #55 Lidane

Not it at all. Race was never a core National Review issue. William F. Buckley had some wrong view in his younger days, many white people of his generation did. Further, many early conservatives found the civil rights movement problematic due it's increase in government controls.

Of the first, Buckley later repented. Of the second, National Review has come to understand why those controls were needed: Because racism was so deeply ingrained in the South and African-Americans there were so disenfranchised that nothing short of Federal intervention could fix the situation.

60 allegro  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:45:35pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Further, many early conservatives found the civil rights movement problematic due it's increase in government controls.

They found it problematic certainly. Increased government controls were hardly the primary problem, only the enforcement of it.

Of the second, National Review has come to understand why those controls were needed:

Nonsense. You do understand what the cries of "smaller government" are about, don't you?

Wait, no, clearly you don't. Or you don't want to.

61 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:47:50pm

Ta-Nehisi sums it up nicely:

I guess it's admirable that Rich Lowry is taking time away from pondering why people think he's a bigot, to denounce Derbyshire. But 'Derb' told you what he was in 2003. And National Review continued to employ him. That's who they are.

What else is there?

62 dragonath  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:48:24pm

But... Buckley used words like "rodomontade" and "nugatory". Surely that made him an erudite conservative intellectual?

63 freetoken  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:49:19pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

He's not "afraid" of it, he knows what they'll say.

No kidding.

NR/NRO has hosted Derbyshire's crap for some time, all knowingly.

It served its purpose of getting more readership, and I'm sure Lowry et. al. were glad for the extra web hits or video views or sales.

I wonder what it was about this particular essay that finally led NR to do what they did? All one has to do is listen to any of Derbyshire's podcasts hosted at NRO to find tons of ugly and fringe stuff. Sort of like the audio I linked yesterday, where Derbyshire equated the state of Israel to the "ethno" (Derb's words) political parties of Europe, political parties we consider far-right or neo-Nazi. And that is just the tip of it.

64 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:49:55pm

re: #57 allegro

Line that wins the internets:

GMTA!

65 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:50:32pm

re: #60 allegro

They found it problematic certainly. Increased government controls were hardly the primary problem, only the enforcement of it.

Nonsense. You do understand what the cries of "smaller government" are about, don't you?

Wait, no, clearly you don't. Or you don't want to.

And you do know that both Ramesh Ponneru and yes, Jonah Goldberg, have both written articles in NR detailing why the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 were needed, right? And they both made the point that both laws can be accepted by conservatives as they were the only way to get closer to the ideals held by conservatives. Freedom and opportunity could not be achieved in the South without Federal action.

66 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:51:25pm

re: #63 freetoken

Probably the part about the "Good Samaritan" (not being one) was the breaking point. The rest is just racism, this one is pure evil.

67 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:54:30pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Not it at all. Race was never a core National Review issue. William F. Buckley had some wrong view in his younger days, many white people of his generation did.

And he was the editor and founder of National Review, making his "wrong views" the central editorial stance of NR when it started. That's the point you're refusing to admit.

Further, many early conservatives found the civil rights movement problematic due it's increase in government controls.

No, they found it "problematic" because it was minorities demanding equal treatment under the law, which would have upset the order of things, which was whites in control and everyone else relegated to the back of the bus.

Of the first, Buckley later repented. Of the second, National Review has come to understand why those controls were needed: Because racism was so deeply ingrained in the South and African-Americans there were so disenfranchised that nothing short of Federal intervention could fix the situation.

Racism is STILL deeply ingrained in this country. We've seen it in stark detail since President Obama was elected. We've seen it in the anti-immigrant, anti-Latino sentiments from the RWNJs and all the batshit crazy in states like Arizona.

If you think it doesn't exist on an institutional level in this country, you haven't been paying attention. That's why those controls -- which RW publications like National Review STILL rail against, BTW -- are still needed.

68 allegro  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:54:34pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

And you do know that both Ramesh Ponneru and yes, Jonah Goldberg, have both written articles in NR detailing why the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 were needed, right? And they both made the point that both laws can be accepted by conservatives as they were the only way to get closer to the ideals held by conservatives. Freedom and opportunity could not be achieved in the South without Federal action.

Which begs the question, why would they HAVE to write such justifications for these Acts that have been accepted by most Americans as the right things to do for decades?

69 freetoken  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:55:09pm

re: #66 Johnny Derp

Is it possible that the ugliness of the reactionary right is finally turning off the (usually inattentive) masses and the more savvy "conservative" media business types are sensing that they need to start being more cautious, before some blowback really takes them off their feet?

70 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:55:58pm

I can see this one coming, so here's an OFFICIAL STATEMENT:

Yes, I did link to John Derbyshire's articles at LGF several times, back in the day. But I did not know at the time that he was a racist piece of shit, connected to people like Peter Brimelow and Steve Sailer. I regret linking to those articles, but it didn't happen because I agreed with his racist views - it happened because I was not aware of those views. If I'd been aware of crap like that at the time, I might have awakened to the right's agenda much sooner.

But I am awake now ... wide awake. And I'm not going to be fooled again.

71 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:57:45pm

re: #5 jaunte

DanRiehl @DanRiehl

@Tarkloon +don't Tweet late Andrew Breitbart to me, again. Or B blocked. Ur not fit 2 hold his dick. @Lizardoid @Liberty_Chick @rsmccain

Should we assume that this is something Dan is quite knowledgeable about? Just who did get to hold it then, uhh Dan, any comment?

///sorry, couldn't hold in the snark...

72 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:57:49pm

re: #68 allegro

Which begs the question, why would they HAVE to write such justifications for these Acts that have been accepted by most Americans as the right things to do for decades?

Seriously. WTF. Who needs to write a retroactive justification for civil rights and voting rights?

73 Interesting Times  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:57:53pm

re: #68 allegro

Which begs the question, why would they HAVE to write such justifications for these Acts that have been accepted by most Americans as the right things to do for decades?

Not only that, but sleazebag rightwing corporatist org ALEC is busily trying to undo everything those Acts sought to accomplish:

A wave of voter suppression legislation is emerging from newly elected GOP governors and Republican legislators that would make it much more difficult for traditional Democratic constituencies to vote -- just in time for the 2012 election. About a dozen states are are actively considering legislation that would make voting much more difficult for college students, minorities, the elderly and the disabled.

74 freetoken  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:57:56pm

BTW, Derbyshire's views on races and ethnic groups are shared, at least in part, by an uncomfortably large-ish share of the population.

Now, I don't know what percentage of Americans (or other people in other nations) view other races and groups as inherently (genetically and probably culturally) inferior to themselves, but I bet it is large.

75 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:59:04pm

re: #73 Interesting Times

Not only that, but sleazebag rightwing corporatist org ALEC is busily trying to undo everything those Acts sought to accomplish:

Of course they are. And they're going to spin fantasies of widespread voter fraud in order to justify eroding voting rights, just like they always do.

76 Amory Blaine  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:00:20pm

The rich are different; they get richer

Occupy Wall Street is not known for the precision of its economic analysis, but new research on income distribution in the United States shows that the group’s sloganeering provides a stunningly accurate picture of the economy. In 2010, according to a study published this month by University of California economist Emmanuel Saez, 93 percent of income growth went to the wealthiest 1 percent of American households, while everyone else divvied up the 7 percent that was left over. Put another way: The most fundamental characteristic of the U.S. economy today is the divide between the 1 percent and the 99 percent.

77 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:00:51pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

I can see this one coming, so here's an OFFICIAL STATEMENT:

Yes, I did link to John Derbyshire's articles at LGF several times, back in the day. But I did not know at the time that he was a racist piece of shit, connected to people like Peter Brimelow and Steve Sailer. I regret linking to those articles, but it didn't happen because I agreed with his racist views - it happened because I was not aware of those views. If I'd been aware of crap like that at the time, I might have awakened to the right's agenda much sooner.

But I am awake now ... wide awake. And I'm not going to be fooled again.

The twitterverse has already pointed out your connection to Derbyshire going as far back as 2002.

78 Shvaughn  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:01:06pm

The Red State post by Leon H Wolf condemning Derbyshire's racism had me encouraged about the Right doing the right thing, until I read the comments and saw all the people disagreeing and defending Derbyshire.

79 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:01:15pm
80 jaunte  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:01:21pm
81 dragonath  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:02:02pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

But that "federal action" was what the magazine originally stood against! And Buckley and Kilpatrick were "states' rights" until the end. I'm dubious about Goldberg's position on the Voting Rights Act because he's the same person who said:

Instead of making it easier to vote, maybe we should be making it harder. Why not test people about the basic functions of government? Immigrants have to pass a test to vote; why not all citizens?

If they really repented, it was too late. The National Review deserves a special kind of scorn for turning what was a party of conservation and civil rights into what it is now.

82 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:02:21pm
83 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:02:44pm

re: #68 allegro

Which begs the question, why would they HAVE to write such justifications for these Acts that have been accepted by most Americans as the right things to do for decades?

Because anti-government sentiments among some Republican constituencies have gone or threaten to go over the top and denounce those laws as evil simply because of their being an expansion of government. What Ponnuru showed was especially valuable, as he made clear that the 14th and 15th Amendments justified the laws.

Those were articles that needed to be written, as setting a defense against concerns about government that had gone too far. They were needed to provide a conservative defense of Civil Rights legislation.

84 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:02:48pm

re: #78 Shvaughn

The Red State post by Leon H Wolf condemning Derbyshire's racism had me encouraged about the Right doing the right thing, until I read the comments and saw all the people disagreeing and defending Derbyshire.

Well yeah. Even if the authors are against what Derbyshire said, there are still plenty of people who read those blogs who agree with everything he said in his racist rant and they think that NRO was wrong to fire him.

85 jaunte  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:03:35pm

re: #79 Lidane

I guess Grassley is unaware of George W. Bush criticizing the Supreme Court in much more aggressive fashion. Or maybe he just thinks his constituents are dumb.

86 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:04:48pm

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

They were needed to provide a conservative defense of Civil Rights legislation.

That's just it -- why does there need to be a conservative defense of civil rights or voting rights legislation? Shouldn't equal treatment under the law be a basic concept?

87 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:04:50pm

re: #85 jaunte

I guess Grassley is unaware of George W. Bush criticizing the Supreme Court in much more aggressive fashion. Or maybe he just thinks his constituents are dumb.

grandstanding bullshit by the usual republican bullshitters

They cannot take the idea of a black man in power, it infuriates them, it seems to wound their masculinity, heh

88 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:05:53pm

re: #86 Lidane

That's just it -- why does there need to be a conservative defense of civil rights or voting rights legislation? Shouldn't equal treatment under the law be a basic concept?

they have to be told that men are equal in that crazy constitution


because they don't think it's true.

conservatism!

89 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:07:08pm

conservative constitution: all white men are equal under the law, and there is no establishment clause, this is a christian-first nation


It's backwards america! Who gets to be pope of America?

90 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:08:28pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

But I am awake now ... wide awake. And I'm not going to be fooled again.

Sure you will. You, like all the rest of us, are eventually going to be fooled again. When that happens, the important thing is how we react to being fooled. When the evidence plainly shows you have been fooled, responding with "Well, I was fooled, egg on my face and so on, but I have learned something from it and have changed my mind" is far preferable to doubling down and performing all sorts of ridiculous gymnastics in service of a foolish consistency, which of course is the hobgoblin of small minds.

91 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:09:01pm

re: #89 windupbird is in the gravity well

conservative constitution: all white men are equal under the law, and there is no establishment clause, this is a christian-first nation

It's backwards america! Who gets to be pope of America?

What Pope? The WASP country needs no Catholics, Freemasons and the rest!

92 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:09:56pm

So those most invested in showing Charles linked to Derbyshire some time ago... is that an acknowledgment that Derbyshire is a fucking racist?

93 jaunte  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:10:30pm

re: #92 Kronocide

Wait... is that a trick?

94 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:10:54pm

re: #92 Kronocide

So those most invested in showing Charles linked to Derbyshire some time ago... is that an acknowledgment that Derbyshire is a fucking racist?

Can't demonize if there are no demons.

95 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:11:10pm
96 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:11:28pm

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

Because anti-government sentiments among some Republican constituencies have gone or threaten to go over the top and denounce those laws as evil simply because of their being an expansion of government. What Ponnuru showed was especially valuable, as he made clear that the 14th and 15th Amendments justified the laws.

Those were articles that needed to be written, as setting a defense against concerns about government that had gone too far. They were needed to provide a conservative defense of Civil Rights legislation.

Which begs the question of why conservatives would take issue with the interpretation of 14th and 15th amendments handed down by the Warren Court and/or the Legislature of the Civil Rights Era. There's bloody reams of material about the constitutionality of the CRLs by some extremely fine legal minds.

If you need a "conservative" to explain the logic of the CR legislation to you in partisan terms so it's digestable, you might be a partisan ass.

97 freetoken  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:11:31pm

re: #78 Shvaughn

This goes with my thesis that the more savvy of the "conservative" media types know that the blowback against the ugliness of the ultra-right will not be finely targeted.

However, the atavistic crowd wants their tribalism, and they want it now!

98 Amory Blaine  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:11:49pm

re: #82 windupbird is in the gravity well

I wonder what the racist wingnut Obama is Kenyan brigade will call the Bush twins

Who's George Bush?

99 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:12:09pm

re: #93 jaunte

Wait... is that a trick?

SQUIRREL! --->

100 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:12:57pm

re: #99 Kronocide

SQUIRREL! --->

HEY! He has my nuts...
Get 'em!

101 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:13:08pm

re: #99 Kronocide

SQUIRREL! --->

VOT EBAUT MUUZ?

102 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:13:26pm

re: #89 windupbird is in the gravity well

conservative constitution: all white men are equal under the law, and there is no establishment clause, this is a christian-first nation

It's backwards america! Who gets to be pope of America?

This is Real America; we have no pope, just Coach Jesus's Quarterback.

103 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:14:23pm

re: #101 Johnny Derp

VOT EBAUT MUUZ?

MUUZ: Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat.

104 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:14:25pm

re: #86 Lidane

That's just it -- why does there need to be a conservative defense of civil rights or voting rights legislation? Shouldn't equal treatment under the law be a basic concept?

It IS! But some people today (most people, in fact) don't really understand what things were like in southern states back then. So many conservatives think that the situation there could be remedied by the private solutions that often work today against bigots. From that, their suspicion of government leads them to suspicion of Civil Rights legislation, especially in light of things like affirmative action that came later. What Ponnuru and Goldberg were doing was to remind their readers of the way things really were at the time those laws were passed and show why they really were the only way to solve the problem of racism.

105 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:14:27pm

re: #102 The Ghost of a Flea

This is Real America; we have no pope, just Coach Jesus's Quarterback.

And he's giving a sermon tomorrow!

Tebow's Easter Sermon to Draw Tens of Thousands in Texas

Heh.

106 jvic  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:15:15pm

re: #91 Johnny Derp

What Pope? The WASP country needs no Catholics, Freemasons and the rest!

Yes, that was William F. Buckley's opinion. /

107 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:15:55pm

re: #106 jvic

Yes, that was William F. Buckley's opinion. /

He would come around!

108 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:16:40pm

re: #105 Lidane

And he's giving a sermon tomorrow!

Tebow's Easter Sermon to Draw Tens of Thousands in Texas

Heh.

I am future psychic.

109 allegro  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:16:49pm

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

Because anti-government sentiments among some Republican constituencies have gone or threaten to go over the top and denounce those laws as evil simply because of their being an expansion of government

Bullshit. "expansion of government" is purely a dog whistle. Seriously. Tell me what that means, especially coming from a contingent that is also so exercised over women and LGBT having any rights of self determination.

What Ponnuru showed was especially valuable, as he made clear that the 14th and 15th Amendments justified the laws.

As has been asked, what justification could possibly be needed? It certainly isn't for most Americans, at least those who aren't racists assholes who fear for their lily white male rights to discriminate and hate being diminished.

Those were articles that needed to be written, as setting a defense against concerns about government that had gone too far. They were needed to provide a conservative defense of Civil Rights legislation.

Do you even begin to understand what you're saying? The implications of it?

110 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:18:26pm

re: #96 The Ghost of a Flea

Which begs the question of why conservatives would take issue with the interpretation of 14th and 15th amendments handed down by the Warren Court and/or the Legislature of the Civil Rights Era. There's bloody reams of material about the constitutionality of the CRLs by some extremely fine legal minds.

If you need a "conservative" to explain the logic of the CR legislation to you in partisan terms so it's digestable, you might be a partisan ass.

Lots of people on both sides of the aisle have an auto-reject mechanism that makes them hostile to arguments advanced by the political opposition. Goddamnfrank has used the Newspeak conventions of George Orwell's 1984 to call such mechanisms Teamthink, and it is strong force in society. People who are strongly political get attached to their faction and don't want to weaken it. Also at work is the powerful human need to belong.

111 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:19:14pm

re: #107 Johnny Derp

He would come around!

He was actually Catholic, and was always hostile to Catholic-bashing.

112 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:19:56pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

He was actually Catholic, and was always hostile to Catholic-bashing.

That's the gist of the joke.

113 Ming  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:24:45pm

One interesting detail about John Derbyshire: his wife is Asian. In my experience, when you're part of an interracial couple, you acquire a heightened sensitivity to how other people view you (and your partner) from a racial angle. The point here is that Derbyshire, of all people, should have known how insanely inappropriate his article was. So why did he go ahead and write it anyway? I couldn't begin to guess. Obviously it does not reflect well on his character. Kudos to National Review for firing him.

114 allegro  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:26:34pm

re: #113 Ming

One interesting detail about John Derbyshire: his wife is Asian. In my experience, when you're part of an interracial couple, you acquire a heightened sensitivity to how other people view you (and your partner) from a racial angle. The point here is that Derbyshire, of all people, should have known how insanely inappropriate his article was. So why did he go ahead and write it anyway? I couldn't begin to guess. Obviously it does not reflect well on his character. Kudos to National Review for firing him.

I am very possibly seriously off-base here but every time I hear that his wife is Asian I think MRA.

115 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:27:20pm

re: #105 Lidane

And he's giving a sermon tomorrow!

Tebow's Easter Sermon to Draw Tens of Thousands in Texas

Heh.

People outside Texas have no idea how seriously a sermon by a football player will be taken in Texas.

Pep rally in the Holy Temple
And you're forced to go
Masturbate en masse
To the favored religious cult
Cheerleaders yell "Ra Ra Team"
From the locker room
Parades the prime beef
When archaeologists dig this up
They'll either laugh or cry

-- "Jock O Rama", by Dead Kennedys, who were not kidding.

edited because what is this I don't even

116 jvic  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:28:56pm

re: #112 Johnny Derp

That's the gist of the joke.

It's not a bad joke.

It would have been even better had you gracefully acknowledged that your stereotyping ("The WASP country needs no Catholics, Freemasons and the rest!") is flawed.

117 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:29:01pm

re: #114 allegro

I am very possibly seriously off-base here but every time I hear that his wife is Asian I think MRA.

MRA?

118 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:30:02pm

re: #113 Ming

One interesting detail about John Derbyshire: his wife is Asian. In my experience, when you're part of an interracial couple, you acquire a heightened sensitivity to how other people view you (and your partner) from a racial angle. The point here is that Derbyshire, of all people, should have known how insanely inappropriate his article was. So why did he go ahead and write it anyway? I couldn't begin to guess. Obviously it does not reflect well on his character. Kudos to National Review for firing him.

I don't think he cares


some people just don't care! They have an audience, they have people that like them for what they write (racist shite) and so they play to the audience!

simple as that. The ego wants adorers

119 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:30:30pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

MRA?

Magnetic Resonance Angiogram. Duh.

A magnetic resonance angiogram (MRA) is a type of magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) scan that uses a magnetic field and pulses of radio wave energy to provide pictures of blood vessels inside the body.

120 allegro  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:30:54pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

MRA?

Men's Rights Activists. Many of these guys despise American/Western women due to our insistence that we be treated as, yanno, human beings with full agency.

121 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:31:06pm

re: #115 Satanic Ritual Kazoo

I believe it


football is a religion in much of the south

122 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:31:16pm

re: #113 Ming

One interesting detail about John Derbyshire: his wife is Asian. In my experience, when you're part of an interracial couple, you acquire a heightened sensitivity to how other people view you (and your partner) from a racial angle. The point here is that Derbyshire, of all people, should have known how insanely inappropriate his article was. So why did he go ahead and write it anyway? I couldn't begin to guess. Obviously it does not reflect well on his character. Kudos to National Review for firing him.

Derbyshire follows the Bell Curve philosophy which puts Asians atop the pile and Blacks as second lowest. Being married to an Asian fits in with his racism.

123 freetoken  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:32:04pm

re: #113 Ming

Once again, I repeat myself here, Derbyshire has been writing for many, many years and has a very long history of questionable to down-right ugly articles/statements.

That he is married to an Asian women is hardly surprising, since according to Derbyshire's own worldview "Asians" (by which is meant East Asians) are superior according to IQ tests and thus Derbyshire was in a sense marrying "up" genetically speaking, though culturally his Anglo-Western culture is no doubt superior.

124 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:32:12pm

re: #120 allegro

Men's Rights Activists. Many of these guys despise American/Western women due to our insistence that we be treated as, yanno, human beings with full agency.

lol, those guys


what a bunch of limp dicks! WAAAH I DON'T HAVE ABSOLUTE POWER WEHH

125 freetoken  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:33:45pm

BTW, it's incredibly easy to find the wave of Derbyshire defenders coming out - they're all over the internet.

126 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:35:16pm

re: #120 allegro

Men's Rights Activists. Many of these guys despise American/Western women due to our insistence that we be treated as, yanno, human beings with full agency.

I see. I don't see him as really focused on that, though he's taken his fair share of shots at feminism over the years. But he's had more than one column about an action his family had taken that's made it clear it was his wife's decision. So I don't think he's the 'power over the wife' type. I think Freetoken has him correct on that point.

127 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:37:29pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

I see. I don't see him as really focused on that, though he's taken his fair share of shots at feminism over the years. But he's had more than one column about an action his family had taken that's made it clear it was his wife's decision. So I don't think he's the 'power over the wife' type. I think Freetoken has him correct on that point.

I kinda actually don't trust anything the guy writes in his column as anything other than conservative propaganda, bullshit, lies and hatred

I think it's pretty obvious his shit is toxic

if you want to continue to believe Derbyshire's narrative, that's between you and him!

I mean why would he make anything up? He seems totally trustworthy! lol.

128 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:39:14pm

re: #86 Lidane

That's just it -- why does there need to be a conservative defense of civil rights or voting rights legislation? Shouldn't equal treatment under the law be a basic concept?

If it were a basic concept, we would never have needed the law. (Our school system is thankfully still under federal court surveillance.)

129 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:39:22pm

ROFL, Daedalus is now convinced that CuriousLurker is going to sick the Jihadis on him and wants everyone to know that he's armed to the teeth, has guns stashed all over his house and as an ex Latin King he's ready to rumble. Also, there are cameras all around his compound and his perimeter is secured, believe it - DJ rapper man who cuts faces is in serious business mode. We're talking full on paranoid delusion, he's got an Israeli made Baby Eagle, and has been given the advice to dip the bullets in lard, also someone has vowed to call their old friend in the FBI. Yep, old favors are being cashed in 'cuz people over there are connected.

Achievement Unlocked: Epic Level Insanity

130 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:41:58pm

re: #120 allegro

Men's Rights Activists. Many of these guys despise American/Western women due to our insistence that we be treated as, yanno, human beings with full agency.

That would explain why he had an entire chapter in his last book arguing that women having the right to vote was bad for conservatism.

He also called for the repeal of the Civil Rights Act, too.

131 Interesting Times  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:42:43pm
132 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:43:43pm

Charles,
Is embiggen still working in Pages?

133 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:43:58pm

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

ROFL, Daedalus is now convinced that CuriousLurker is going to sick the Jihadis on him and wants everyone to know that he's armed to the teeth, has guns stashed all over his house and as an ex Latin King he's ready to rumble. Also, there are cameras all around his compound and his perimeter is secured, believe it - DJ rapper man who cuts faces is in serious business mode. We're talking full on paranoid delusion, he's got an Israeli made Baby Eagle, and has been given the advice to dip the bullets in lard, also someone has vowed to call their old friend in the FBI. Yep, old favors are being cashed in 'cuz people over there are connected.

Achievement Unlocked: Epic Level Insanity

Nothing worse than a paranoid whiner.

134 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:44:34pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

Lots of people on both sides of the aisle have an auto-reject mechanism that makes them hostile to arguments advanced by the political opposition. Goddamnfrank has used the Newspeak conventions of George Orwell's 1984 to call such mechanisms Teamthink, and it is strong force in society. People who are strongly political get attached to their faction and don't want to weaken it. Also at work is the powerful human need to belong.

A modern commentator who writes a defense of the CRLs but does so while avoiding liason with the "liberal" thinking of the 50s is being spineless and partisan, and creating easily-digestable intellectual pap that will perpetuate TeamThink by furthering epistemic closure.

A modern audience who requires a defense of the CRLs that avoids referencing the "liberal" thinking of the 50s might be brain damaged, but are more likely have a butthurt-shaped beam of white privilege in their eye.

There is no fucking nuance to the elements of the CRL relative to constitutionality: discriminatory laws completely ignored Equal Protection and "separate but equal" was a thong-size piece of camoflauge for discrimination.

If you have an audience that can conceive of free market fixes for Jim Crow, you have an audience that have never cracked a history book and are perfectly comfortable making judgement in a void of knowledge.

When you encounter that kind of non-thought, you don't feed it by pre-chewing ideas for them and convincing them to consume it because Mommy made it for them the NR approves . You tell them to fuck off and get edjumacated.

This isn't about team versus team. It's about affiliation being substituted for truth.

135 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:44:44pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

I see. I don't see him as really focused on that, though he's taken his fair share of shots at feminism over the years.

Dark, he took more than just shots at feminism. He argued that women should not vote. That's a whole other level of misogyny.

136 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:44:55pm

re: #127 windupbird is in the gravity well

I kinda actually don't trust anything the guy writes in his column as anything other than conservative propaganda, bullshit, lies and hatred

I think it's pretty obvious his shit is toxic

if you want to continue to believe Derbyshire's narrative, that's between you and him!

I mean why would he make anything up? He seems totally trustworthy! lol.

I'm just going by what I know, WUB. I tend not to attribute specific faults to a person unless I've got some good evidence they possess that fault. John Derbyshire a racist shithead, of that I am certain. But his being a sexist shithead is much less clear.

137 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:45:12pm

I'm jumping in late to this discussion, but I think it makes sense to use the firing of Derbyshire as a wedge to make the people in the GOP pick a side, either for or against the move. Divide and conquer.

Give some credit to Lowry even though it was a tepid response, and then wait and watch how the right responds. Some will agree with Lowry, some won't. That's how it starts. To just blow off the firing and point out that it was too little, too late surrenders that opportunity.

To split the opponent, reach out to one side and repel the other and let the individuals figure out which side they want to be on.

138 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:47:00pm
139 allegro  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:47:08pm

re: #130 Lidane

That would explain why he had an entire chapter in his last book arguing that women having the right to vote was bad for conservatism.

I actually agree - I could write that chapter as well. Of course, I think that's a good thing. Heh.

140 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:47:58pm

re: #137 Mich-again

I'm jumping in late to this discussion, but I think it makes sense to use the firing of Derbyshire as a wedge to make the people in the GOP pick a side, either for or against the move. Divide and conquer.

Give some credit to Lowry even though it was a tepid response, and then wait and watch how the right responds. Some will agree with Lowry, some won't. That's how it starts. To just blow off the firing and point out that it was too little, too late surrenders that opportunity.

To split the opponent, reach out to one side and repel the other and let the individuals figure out which side they want to be on.

Freep is unhappy. Of course, the Atlantic discussion cited them as a place overt racism is welcome.

141 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:48:26pm

Shorter John Derbyshire:

Enslave blacks and women, but you know, slowly, so they don't notice.

142 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:49:46pm

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

ROFL, Daedalus is now convinced that CuriousLurker is going to sick the Jihadis on him and wants everyone to know that he's armed to the teeth, has guns stashed all over his house and as an ex Latin King he's ready to rumble. Also, there are cameras all around his compound and his perimeter is secured, believe it - DJ rapper man who cuts faces is in serious business mode. We're talking full on paranoid delusion, he's got an Israeli made Baby Eagle, and has been given the advice to dip the bullets in lard, also someone has vowed to call their old friend in the FBI. Yep, old favors are being cashed in 'cuz people over there are connected.

Achievement Unlocked: Epic Level Insanity

A reminder to Dorkus: Stand Your Ground applies to Muslims in Florida too. So if you leave your bunker for beer, remember not to attack someone just because they are wearing a skullcap. They might exercise their 2nd Amendment rights when you pull your knife.

/This is mostly kidding, but I do seriously worry about this guy just having Sudden Crusade Syndrome* and attacking someone just for being seen as Muslim.

Sudden Crusade Syndrome being the Wingnut companion to Sudden Jihad Syndrome.

143 freetoken  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:50:24pm

It will come as no surprise to people here that VDARE has rushed to Derbyshire's defense, with two entries on their blog. The entry by the less than stellar Patrick Cleburne goes thusly:

John Derbyshire’s eminently reasonable and realistic article at TakiMag: The Talk: Nonblack version April 05, 2012 has made him the target of the new iteration of the MSM Trayvon Martin lynch mob – shamefully egged on by his more contemptible NR colleagues. In 21st Century America, that is the reward for addressing racial issues accurately.

"Eminently reasonable"??

Talk about an alternate universe.

Cleburne then goes on:

So far it looks as if holding a remunerative position in “Conservative” journalism mandates denouncing Derbyshire. His defenders muster in the blogosphere. Here I salute those who appear to be currently the most forceful:
• Nicholas Stix - [...]

So, what possibly could Stix have wrote that is so worthy of saluting? Why, it's this:

As if it’s not bad enough that racial socialism demands the collective glorification of people who have an average IQ of somewhere between 78 and 85, a stratospheric crime quotient, and an even higher hate quotient, it also demands that people with triple-digit IQs talk and write as if they were in the 78-85 range, and that they spread the hate against anyone who dares to state the obvious about race.

John Derbyshire is a national treasure.

Yup, it's the old blacks-are-inferior-because-of-IQ system of racism that the folks at VDARE, like Derbyshire, love so much.

This was all known about Derbyshire for years.

Yet NR continued to have him promote his views via their outlets.

144 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:50:28pm

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

I'm just going by what I know, WUB. I tend not to attribute specific faults to a person unless I've got some good evidence they possess that fault. John Derbyshire a racist shithead, of that I am certain. But his being a sexist shithead is much less clear.

Are you reading his columns? Are you reading what he writes?


He's literally against women's suffrage!

he's literally against women's suffrage but he's not sexist?

How can you think this? Help me understand how you reconcile these positions

145 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:52:42pm

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

, and has been given the advice to dip the bullets in lard,

Man, he's kickin' it with the old school racists.

Gonna show those sepoys who's the burrah sahib.

146 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:53:28pm

re: #144 windupbird is in the gravity well

Are you reading his columns? Are you reading what he writes?

He's literally against women's suffrage!

he's literally against women's suffrage but he's not sexist?

How can you think this? Help me understand how you reconcile these positions

No, I haven't been reading his columns except for the relatively benign Straggler column in the paper magazine. i don't spend as much time on NR as I used to. I spend more time here, and I've tried to branch out a bit. but National Review is still a lodestone for me.

147 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:55:56pm

re: #145 The Ghost of a Flea

Man, he's kickin' it with the old school racists.

Gonna show those sepoys who's the burrah sahib.

The King of the Khyber Rifles shtick has been updated:

[Link: answers.yahoo.com...]

[Link: therevealer.org...]

148 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:59:21pm

man thats a great idea, dipping bullets in lard

while my illusionist distracts the Greater Werepigs we encounter in the Dungeons Of Crazy, I pull out my enchanted desert eagle and take them out


I also have bullets dipped in barbecue sauce to do double damage against the deadly Weresandwich

149 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:01:51pm

re: #145 The Ghost of a Flea

Man, he's kickin' it with the old school racists.

Gonna show those sepoys who's the burrah sahib.

Can I get a GLASS PARKING LOT?

I know when I'm searching for a totally legit blog to hang around on I look first for an owner/administrator who brags about a history of cutting people in the face, their extensive weapons collection and past gang affiliations. I also award bonus points for religiously intolerant Pinochet humpers who deny the Serbian genocide. *Swoon*

150 freetoken  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:04:31pm

Cleburne links to one of his own articles from five years ago, which itself links form a Derbyshire piece from that year (2007) at Jewcy, in which Derbyshire is quite blunt about complaining about National Review for being too politically correct.

Be Nice, or We’ll Crush You

[...]

So if National Review were to print unqualified praise (or even praise not severely qualified) of a guy who argues that Jews have a “group evolutionary strategy” that involves the transformation—I think in The Culture of Critique MacDonald actually says “destruction”—of Gentile society, they would have done what that nanny did: dumped several status points down the toilet.

A conservative magazine simply can’t afford to do that. Its hold on the attention of the U.S. public is too precarious. A conservative magazine can’t afford to let a writer say anything nice about MacDonald without putting it under some such title as “The Marx of the Antisemites.”

There isn’t any kind of chicanery or dishonesty there. That’s just how the world is, how America is, under what Bill Buckley calls “the prevailing structure of taboos,” and the prevailing system of status perception, both of individual human beings and of easily anthropomorphizable entities like opinion magazines.

National Review wants to get certain ideas out to the U.S. public—ideas about economics, politics, law, religion, science, history, the arts, and more. To do that, the magazine needs standing in our broad cultural milieu. It needs status. That’s hard at the best of times for a conservative publication. To lose status points—to lose standing—just in order to draw readers’ attention to some rather abstruse socio-historical theories cooked up by a cranky small-college faculty member, would be dumb. Ergo, as I said, NR would reject a piece of the kind you suggested, and they would be correct to do so. I would do so if I were editor of NR.

[...]

Most of that piece is Derbyshire's attempt to rationalize the way he looks at people (though he is dishonest in avoiding some aspects of his positions over the years, that don't fit so nicely with his arguments in that Jewcy piece.)


But the above out-take shows clearly that Derbyshire is aware that National Review would not be the best outlet for some of his views. In the following 5 years though Derbyshire has included many of his obnoxious opinions in his podcasts hosted at NRO, podcasts to which, evidently, Lowry did not listen.

151 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:04:48pm

re: #149 goddamnedfrank

Can I get a GLASS PARKING LOT?

I know when I'm searching for a totally legit blog to hang around on I look first for an owner/administrator who brags about a history of cutting people in the face, their extensive weapons collection and past gang affiliations. I also award bonus points for religiously intolerant Pinochet humpers who deny the Serbian genocide. *Swoon*

Throw in a few references to British Indians and an interest in Chelsea football club and he'd be the Messiah of the National Front.

152 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:04:52pm

re: #148 windupbird is in the gravity well

man thats a great idea, dipping bullets in lard

while my illusionist distracts the Greater Werepigs we encounter in the Dungeons Of Crazy, I pull out my enchanted desert eagle and take them out

I also have bullets dipped in barbecue sauce to do double damage against the deadly Weresandwich

Do you just mock crazed gamers or do you play role-playing-games yourself? if its the latter, remind me if you ever get to Chicago. Because we've got some great game stores here.

153 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:05:03pm

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

ROFL, Daedalus is now convinced that CuriousLurker is going to sick the Jihadis on him and wants everyone to know that he's armed to the teeth, has guns stashed all over his house and as an ex Latin King he's ready to rumble. Also, there are cameras all around his compound and his perimeter is secured, believe it - DJ rapper man who cuts faces is in serious business mode.

Well I sure hope his trip to Easter morning Church Services is uneventful..

154 Interesting Times  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:05:38pm

Speaking of conservative cognitive dissonance, here's your goldy-or-bronzy-but-made-of-iron alert for the day:

The Right Flames the Volt

What is the connection between President Obama and the Volt? There is none. The car was the brainchild of Bob Lutz, a legendary auto executive who is about as liberal as the Koch brothers. The tax credit — which is part of the reason conservatives hate the car — became law during the Bush administration.
...
In his regular blog at Forbes, Lutz has tried to counter what he has called the “rabid, sadly misinformed right.” But he has largely given up. The last straw came when his conservative intellectual hero, Charles Krauthammer, described the Volt as “flammable.” Krauthammer, Lutz felt, had to know better. Although he remains deeply conservative, Lutz told me that he has become disenchanted with the right’s willingness to spread lies to aid the cause.

And this from an AGW denier who parrots Heartland lies all the freaking time.

155 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:07:44pm

I confess: watching website vs. website breakdance battles aren't really the main reason I use the Internet.

156 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:08:04pm

re: #145 The Ghost of a Flea

Man, he's kickin' it with the old school racists.

Gonna show those sepoys who's the burrah sahib.

That didn't work too well for Col. Carmichael-Smith.

Two updings to whoever gets the reference first.

157 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:08:53pm

She's apoplectic.

158 Shvaughn  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:09:48pm

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

Do you just mock crazed gamers or do you play role-playing-games yourself? if its the latter, remind me if you ever get to Chicago. Because we've got some great game stores here.

I'm not who you asked, but I play roleplaying games! Who else does?

159 Shvaughn  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:10:19pm

re: #157 Kronocide

She's apoplectic.

Shots fired, what?

Craaaaazy.

160 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:10:58pm

re: #155 Satanic Ritual Kazoo

I confess: watching website vs. website breakdance battles aren't really the main reason I use the Internet.

This isn't much of a dance-off, though: Goddamnfrank is getting his dance on at Patrick Swayze levels, while Rodan keeps drunkenly tripping over his own feet. It's just a smackdown of a poser.

161 Interesting Times  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:11:21pm

re: #157 Kronocide

She's apoplectic.

What on Earth has she got her knickers ("Durr hurr, I can say knickers! Derp") in a twist about now? o_O

162 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:12:11pm

re: #157 Kronocide

She's apoplectic.

Where in the hell is it Apr 8th?

163 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:12:36pm

re: #154 Interesting Times
I saw one RW article about the Volt where a Professor wrote a scathing review based on the cost to charge the battery to get the 35-40 miles of range. And he based all his calculations on electricity costing $1.20 per kW-Hr. The problem with his analysis is that electricity only costs about $0.10 per kW-Hr, so his entire article was BS. Of course that didn't stop the idiots from piling on and spreading the dumbness.

164 Sophia77  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:13:14pm

Good, maybe this kerfuffle will force some self-examination on the Right, which seems to have been seized by crazies, or oligarchs using crazies to advance their agenda. What's going on lately is scaring me. People really do need to stand up to it, I don't care if you're Left, Right or in the Middle, there are some things that are just indecent.

That article was one of them.

165 JamesWI  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:14:50pm

re: #164 Sophia77

Good, maybe this kerfuffle will force some self-examination on the Right

Yeah.......I don't think that's going to happen.

166 Shvaughn  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:14:51pm

re: #157 Kronocide

Whenever they start tagging tweets with "#War" it always makes me think of Tom Metzger's racist group.

167 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:15:53pm

re: #157 Kronocide

She's apoplectic.

@Dark_Falcon7

@Liberty_Chick @Lizardoid Truth hurts, doesn't it? Maybe if you stop siding with racists Charles won't have to PWN you as much.
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168 jaunte  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:15:57pm

re: #157 Kronocide

She needs to work on her Mr. Furious impression.

169 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:16:41pm

re: #164 Sophia77

Good, maybe this kerfuffle will force some self-examination on the Right,

It doesn't have to split them down the middle to be effective. Even if just a few peel off it's a good thing.

170 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:19:23pm

re: #166 Shvaughn

Whenever they start tagging tweets with "#War" it always makes me think of Tom Metzger's racist group.

Makes me think of Edwin Starr.

171 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:21:26pm

Maybe Derbyshire will team up with Fjordman to save Western civilization.

172 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:23:57pm

re: #171 Mich-again

lol I think we should put them in a room with the Florida Nazis and Black Panthers. Would make an interesting cage match.

173 freetoken  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:24:36pm

Townhall, an online site of Salem Communications, digs in with white-victimization, not by highlighting a Pat Buchanan column (which they do on occasion), but by highlighting a new entry by Doug Giles:

Blacks Can Murder Whites, and It Won’t Make National News

It's new, only has 2 comments so far... but just wait for them.

174 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:25:00pm

HAHAHAHA @ Shots Fired!

Lock and load, safeties off, pull the pin, fire in the hole, danger close, damn the torpedoes, we're going in hot! This is my rifle this is my gun, this is the kind of rhetoric I use when I want to be taken seriously. Grrrr!

175 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:26:47pm

Bob Marley: War

176 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:26:50pm

Come at me bro! Come at me!

Form.Of. Ralph. Machio.

177 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:27:04pm

re: #174 goddamnedfrank

HAHAHAHA @ Shots Fired!

Lock and load, safeties off, pull the pin, fire in the hole, danger close, damn the torpedoes, we're going in hot! This is my rifle this is my gun, this is the kind of rhetoric I use when I want to be taken seriously. Grrr!

I wonder if she even considers how stupid what she says sounds?

178 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:28:33pm

re: #177 Dark_Falcon

I wonder if she even considers how stupid what she says sounds?

Twitter needs a breathalyzer interlock.

179 Achilles Tang  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:29:15pm

Heading to bed, but I thought I would mention that I have been watching the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy again.

It's amazing how relevant and even prescient it seems these days.

Goodnight.

180 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:29:19pm

Speaking of inveterate racists, RS McCain is whining about Charles again:

Profiles in Narcissism: Charles Johnson Blinded by His Own Self-Righteousness

Google Cache link, BTW.

181 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:30:18pm

re: #180 Lidane

Speaking of inveterate racists, RS McCain is whining about Charles again:

Profiles in Narcissism: Charles Johnson Blinded by His Own Self-Righteousness

Google Cache link, BTW.

Seething rage! You can almost taste it.

182 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:31:21pm

How about this tweet from Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley. A senator tweeting that the President is stupid. Stay classy Chuck.

183 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:31:38pm

Charles is insignificant as is his blog Little Green Footballs!!!11ty

Right.

184 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:31:52pm

re: #174 goddamnedfrank

HAHAHAHA @ Shots Fired!

Lock and load, safeties off, pull the pin, fire in the hole, danger close, damn the torpedoes, we're going in hot! This is my rifle this is my gun, this is the kind of rhetoric I use when I want to be taken seriously. Grrr!

You can only get hoisted on your own petard so many times before your dignity bleeds out.

Anyway, they like the idea of arguing with corpses. Corpses can't point and laugh at their fallacies.

185 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:32:06pm

re: #178 goddamnedfrank

Twitter needs a breathalyzer interlock.

If that were installed, Pam Geller and Rodan would never tweet again. That would cleanse Twitter of much slime, but it would also deprive us of much unintentional comedy.

186 freetoken  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:32:38pm

re: #180 Lidane

Hehe...

187 jaunte  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:33:20pm

re: #180 Lidane

Speaking of inveterate racists, RS McCain is whining about Charles again:

Profiles in Narcissism: Charles Johnson Blinded by His Own Self-Righteousness

The j'accuse effect falls flat when everyone can see him standing there in his League of the South ball gown.

188 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:33:53pm

re: #181 Gus

Seething rage! You can almost taste it.

You can almost smell the bourbon.

189 austin_blue  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:34:42pm

Sweet Baby Jeebuz! Can we all, as a community, take a chill pilll? Let's not eat our own.

I like this site because it includes disparate voices. Let's not fuck the dog.

190 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:35:00pm

re: #157 Kronocide

[Embedded content] She's apoplectic.

"If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. If you have the law on your side, pound the law. If you have neither on your side, pound the table."

Right now, she's probably pounded a hole through that table and halfway to China.

191 Shvaughn  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:36:09pm

re: #180 Lidane

Speaking of inveterate racists, RS McCain is whining about Charles again:

Profiles in Narcissism: Charles Johnson Blinded by His Own Self-Righteousness

Google Cache link, BTW.

I want those brain cells back. The ones that died cuz I read that link.

192 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:36:36pm

re: #184 The Ghost of a Flea

You can only get hoisted on your own petard so many times before your dignity bleeds out.

Anyway, they like the idea of arguing with corpses. Corpses can't point and laugh at their fallacies.

And they can drop trou and pee on them...what's for them not to like?

///

193 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:37:56pm

re: #191 Shvaughn

I want those brain cells back. The ones that died cuz I read that link.

RSM can go sit on a snake...

194 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:38:45pm

re: #191 Shvaughn

I want those brain cells back. The ones that died cuz I read that link.

Just perform that "Restore Brain Cells" spell you learned last month. :D

195 jaunte  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:39:15pm
196 allegro  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:39:28pm

re: #190 talon_262

"If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. If you have the law on your side, pound the law. If you have neither on your side, pound the table."

Right now, she's probably pounded a hole through that table and halfway to China.

She certainly loses feminist points by whining about being picked on cuz she's a girl when coming up short in a debate.

197 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:40:17pm

re: #189 austin_blue

Sweet Baby Jeebuz! Can we all, as a community, take a chill pilll? Let's not eat our own.

I like this site because it includes disparate voices. Let's not fuck the dog.

Did I miss something here?

198 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:42:14pm

And now, Robert Stacy McCain's 325th attempt to prove how irrrrreeeelevant I am:

Profiles in Narcissism: Charles Johnson Blinded by His Own Self-Righteousness : The Other McCain

199 Shvaughn  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:42:31pm

re: #189 austin_blue

Sweet Baby Jeebuz! Can we all, as a community, take a chill pilll? Let's not eat our own.

I like this site because it includes disparate voices. Let's not fuck the dog.

What are you talking about?

200 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:43:15pm

re: #199 Shvaughn

What are you talking about?

Man-dog sex. It's a Santorum thing.

201 Digital Display  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:43:45pm

re: #148 windupbird is in the gravity well

man thats a great idea, dipping bullets in lard

while my illusionist distracts the Greater Werepigs we encounter in the Dungeons Of Crazy, I pull out my enchanted desert eagle and take them out

I also have bullets dipped in barbecue sauce to do double damage against the deadly Weresandwitch

I went over and read the post about C_L. at Stalker Central..He sure got fired up over really nothing at all. I didn't feel a threat was issued by C_L.
Threats on the Internet are real and serious. Charles has been threatened many times and there is no place for it. No one should have threats directed at them.

202 austin_blue  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:44:00pm

re: #197 talon_262

Did I miss something here?

DF got hammered tonight. Let's all be nice.

203 freetoken  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:45:35pm

re: #198 Charles Johnson

I'm just lovin' how all these neo-confederate types are falling all over themselves to defend what most of society considers defenseless. I think it will work towards the goal of, finally, starting to isolate the throwbacks.

204 freetoken  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:46:57pm

re: #203 freetoken

pimf "indefensible"

205 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:48:13pm

Time stamp!

206 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:49:02pm

From what I've read, everyone has been (mostly) civil, unless there's something I missed. However, that doesn't mean that faulty positions shouldn't be challenged; personally, I think that some of D_F's assertions at the top of the thread were, indeed, faulty or misinformed.

That doesn't mean I wish him ill or anything; things would be so much better if people thought more about what's good for everyone, not just their "team" or "tribe".

207 jaunte  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:50:05pm

re: #206 talon_262

To say nothing of the dog.

208 freetoken  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:52:13pm

re: #207 jaunte

To say nothing of the dog.

... or the cat:

[Link: www.jokeroo.com...]

209 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:52:17pm

Has Romney commented on Derpyshire yet? Lemme guess..

"Those aren't the words that I would have used.."

210 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:53:23pm

re: #201 HoosierHoops

I went over and read the post about C_L. at Stalker Central..He sure got fired up over really nothing at all. I didn't feel a threat was issued by C_L.
Threats on the Internet are real and serious. Charles has been threatened many times and there is no place for it. No one should have threats directed at them.

of course it wasn't a real threat, dude just wants traffic on his blog


that's the internet, that's how it works

211 CuriousLurker  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 9:53:44pm

re: #196 allegro

She certainly loses feminist points by whining about being picked on cuz she's a girl when coming up short in a debate.

I think she also may be kinda cranky because a fellow wingnut used a rather nasty term for Arabs earlier in the day and it pissed her off (don't wanna embed the tweet because of the epithet).

Her objections to the guy were met with (to paraphrase), "I don't care about being PC. Stop stop being a whiny & negative—you're starting to sound like a liberal."

Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas...

212 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:02:02pm

This made me laugh.

213 Interesting Times  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:02:17pm

re: #209 Mich-again

Has Romney commented on Derpyshire yet? Lemme guess..

"Those aren't the words that I would have used.."

;)

214 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:03:09pm

"I thought his race was American." Get it? Race? American?

The punch line? He probably didn't realize he said something, well, funny yet stupid.

215 jvic  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:03:51pm

re: #202 austin_blue

DF got hammered tonight. Let's all be nice.

He did? Outnumbered, yes. On the merits? Mind you I'm not a regular these days, but it seems to me he's not even breathing hard.

216 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:04:03pm

My response:

217 CuriousLurker  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:06:54pm

re: #201 HoosierHoops

I went over and read the post about C_L. at Stalker Central..He sure got fired up over really nothing at all. I didn't feel a threat was issued by C_L.
Threats on the Internet are real and serious. Charles has been threatened many times and there is no place for it. No one should have threats directed at them.

I haven't wasted any part of my weekend going over there and don't intend to. I'm not sure what they construed as a threat, and I don't really care. I tweeted the article directly to @NewYorkFBI and @NYPDnews, both of whom are more than welcome to come read the thread with my comments. In fact, I hope they do.

I've actually spoken to the FBI directly in person before, shortly after 9/11, due to some concerns I had about a "situation" I'd encountered, so they already have my name on file. I'll gladly speak to them again regarding the threats made in the audio posted and anything I've said here in response.

218 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:13:53pm

re: #217 CuriousLurker

I wish for you to do what you need to do, to be safe.
Worrying about the stalkers, or not.
Be well.

219 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:16:16pm

re: #210 windupbird is in the gravity well

of course it wasn't a real threat, dude just wants traffic on his blog

that's the internet, that's how it works

The threat wasn't real but the dude is genuinely paranoid. I mean he's on tape ranting away about his history (bullshit though it be) of stabbing muslims and cutting their faces. Now he's being confronted with the prospect of that rant falling into the hands of local real life muslims so that they might be aware of the physical threat he could pose to their community. We're talking about someone so Islamophobic that he was talking about nuking Mecca before he got on anyone's radar. What does something like this do to the brain of a wannabe gangster, whose fantasies can't even cope with the idea of being alone and involved in a conflict, who even in delusion wants/seeks/needs the protection of belonging to some group?

Personally I feel sorry for the guy, textbook coward.

220 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:17:32pm

Well, that was one heck of a glowing dismissal from Lowry, wasn't it?

221 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:22:42pm

re: #220 Altar Boy of Darwinism

Well, that was one heck of a glowing dismissal from Lowry, wasn't it?

It's like they flushed him down the toilet.

222 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:23:27pm

re: #203 freetoken

I'm just lovin' how all these neo-confederate types are falling all over themselves to defend what most of society considers defenseless. I think it will work towards the goal of, finally, starting to isolate the throwbacks.

It's certainly pissed off the women.

223 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:23:35pm

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

The threat wasn't real but the dude is genuinely paranoid. I mean he's on tape ranting away about his history (bullshit though it be) of stabbing muslims and cutting their faces. Now he's being confronted with the prospect of that rant falling into the hands of local real life muslims so that they might be aware of the physical threat he could pose to their community. We're talking about someone so Islamophobic that he was talking about nuking Mecca before he got on anyone's radar. What does something like this do to the brain of a wannabe gangster, whose fantasies can't even cope with the idea of being alone and involved in a conflict, who even in delusion wants/seeks/needs the protection of belonging to some group?

Personally I feel sorry for the guy, textbook coward.

Rodan: Supreme Commander of the 101st Chairborne.

/I'm laughing at his superior intellect...

224 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:25:54pm

re: #223 talon_262

OK, this is AWESOME!

Rodan: Supreme Commander of the 101st Chairborne.

225 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:27:34pm

I think I bitch slapped someone tonight. Felt good. That guy psycho-blogs about me almost every week. Thanks for the updings on my page folks.

226 Amory Blaine  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:28:48pm

re: #182 Mich-again

How about this tweet from Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley. A senator tweeting that the President is stupid. Stay classy Chuck.

What's next? Doo-doo head?

227 elizajane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:29:20pm

So to balance out Derbyshire, or justify him, a CBS affiliate turns up a tape from a few weeks ago allegedly showing a white guy being slugged by a black thief, after which the crowd laughs at him instead of helping him.

[Link: baltimore.cbslocal.com...]

The comment section is actually the worst I've ever seen, so bad that I cannot quote it and couldn't even read past the first couple dozen (there are a thousand).

228 Digital Display  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:29:27pm

re: #225 Gus

I think I bitch slapped someone tonight. Felt good. That guy psycho-blogs about me almost every week. Thanks for the updings on my page folks.

Is there a link to Rodan's audio? Youtube blocked it

229 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:30:11pm

re: #228 HoosierHoops

Is there a link to Rodan's audio? Youtube blocked it

It's on the LGF server now. Good to go again for some time now. ;)

230 CuriousLurker  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:30:49pm

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

The threat wasn't real but the dude is genuinely paranoid. I mean he's on tape ranting away about his history (bullshit though it be) of stabbing muslims and cutting their faces. Now he's being confronted with the prospect of that rant falling into the hands of local real life muslims so that they might be aware of the physical threat he could pose to their community.

THIS. I'm guessing his assumption is that Muslims are inherently violent—unlike him //—and would automatically run out looking for him to seek vigilante justice rather than just being aware of his existence and notifying the authorities should someone encounter him. IOW, he imagines Muslims would do to him what, in fact, he would like to do to them. It's quite telling.

And with that I'm done giving him the attention he craves. Moving on...

231 Digital Display  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:31:43pm

re: #229 Gus

It's on the LGF server now. Good to go again for some time now. ;)

mmm. So how do we listen to it?

232 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:31:53pm

re: #228 HoosierHoops

Is there a link to Rodan's audio? Youtube blocked it

Refresh the thread; Charles posted a LGF-hosted copy after Rodan's goon squad reported it to YT for "hate speech" violations and before LiveLeak could cave as well.

233 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:32:29pm

re: #231 HoosierHoops

mmm. So how do we listen to it?

With headphones or speakers. Click the big arrow? :)

234 freetoken  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:33:22pm

re: #227 elizajane

News sites like that one just want as many hits as possible, and they know this will be a hot story.

Yeah, those comments - if anything, we can finally conclude that the pretense is over.

235 Digital Display  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:33:51pm

re: #233 Gus

With headphones or speakers. Click the big arrow? :)

LOL.. I checked the link again..My bad.. This I gotta hear..

236 freetoken  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:36:41pm

Ok, here is one stream of comments at that Maryland story article:

wes

The attackers are black. What a surprise.
April 7, 2012 at 11:02 am | Reply | Report comment
oldcodger

Yup kind of looked like Obama’s sons
April 7, 2012 at 12:50 pm | Reply | Report comment
Jack

Where’s Shartpton & Jackson & Obummber????
April 7, 2012 at 1:22 pm | Reply | Report comment
Black anarchy

They say a movement needs only 10% of a population to bring about change. I can tell you that 10% of whites are thinking about segregation. I bet if I took a 15 year snooze and woke up, segregation would be back.Because the way it is now is not tenable.
April 7, 2012 at 2:27 pm | Reply | Report comment

Black anarchy

And it would be not just in the south, but wherever blacks live in large numbers.
April 7, 2012 at 2:29 pm

Jones

Point of order: best not to call them “Blacks”.
They are Africans.
They are Africans, doing African things, within the borders of our civilisation.
April 7, 2012 at 3:17 pm | Reply | Report comment

k

No, it would be an insult to Arab North Africans (morroco, libya, egypt, etc) and White Africans (South African Boers, white rhodesians) to call these vile animals Africans.
No…
They are N l G G E R S
and don’t you ever forget it

April 7, 2012 at 4:12 pm

Yup, this is America.

237 freetoken  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:37:32pm

Waiting for the Breitbart crowd to claim those were all "liberal plant" comments.

238 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:37:41pm

re: #236 freetoken

Ok, here is one stream of comments at that Maryland story article:

Yup, this is America.

Worse than ever and getting worse.

239 elizajane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:38:47pm

re: #236 freetoken

Yes, that was about when I stopped reading and went off to wash my hands because I felt contaminated just from having that stuff enter my brain.

240 freetoken  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:38:56pm

re: #238 Gus

April 7, 2012 at 4:12 pm

Worse than ever and getting worse.

I've been contending for some time that this was going to get worse. The underlying failure of many people in their own families/homes - lost jobs, lost houses, broken marriages, etc - is a well from which all sorts of pathologies can draw.

241 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:41:40pm

re: #240 freetoken

And, pathologies is the right term for what most of them have...

242 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:48:14pm

re: #240 freetoken

I've been contending for some time that this was going to get worse. The underlying failure of many people in their own families/homes - lost jobs, lost houses, broken marriages, etc - is a well from which all sorts of pathologies can draw.

We see a lot of pathologies on the internet. Some really "driven" people if were to be kind. People hiding behind anonymous names. Lashing out at our leaders or those they share the internet with. Many of them have significant mental health issues that remain unresolved. Many, as I've said before, are suffering from significant PTSD from 9/11. The re-kindling of racism against blacks having been born from not only the election of our first black president but as an outgrowth, a branch if you will or an evolution, from the anti-Arab sentiment because of 9/11. So after almost 10 years of rampant Arab hatred this almost became routine for them. That sentiment and hatred conditioned people to become the monsters many of them are today.

243 freetoken  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:55:18pm

re: #242 Gus

Furthermore, many have now been enabled to practice expressing their hatred and ugliness. That's one of my main complaints against Murdoch and his well crafted "news" outlets - he's been creating a customer base which hungers for an us-versus-them rhetoric pretending to be a serious dialectic.

Now there is an entire well-practied army of internet-savvy and computer enabled race warriors, just waiting to jump on any story and turn it into a clash of races or religions or ethnic groups.

244 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:55:25pm

re: #242 Gus

The internet lets a lot of people lash out, in ways they would never behave in person.

245 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:00:58pm

re: #243 freetoken

Furthermore, many have now been enabled to practice expressing their hatred and ugliness. That's one of my main complaints against Murdoch and his well crafted "news" outlets - he's been creating a customer base which hungers for an us-versus-them rhetoric pretending to be a serious dialectic.

Now there is an entire well-practied army of internet-savvy and computer enabled race warriors, just waiting to jump on any story and turn it into a clash of races or religions or ethnic groups.

That's part of it. It's become an industry or a profit making scheme. Feed them the red meat and they devour it. Must like with Glenn Beck and his gold buying schemes. It's like the Wingnut-Industrial-Complex. At the same time the right still plays a lot of offense while really, the left typically play defense. That big empathy bone in liberals brains always leaves some doubt when we are combating the right wing.

246 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:02:48pm

This is just so hilarious.

I know I shouldn't be laughing but still.

247 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:06:42pm

re: #242 Gus

...That sentiment and hatred conditioned people to become the monsters many of them are today.

Never underestimate the pleasurable aspect of indulging in hatred. It's a seedy side alley of Foucalt's proposition about the interplay of power and sex. It sounds weird, but there's an eroticism to racial bigotry: the bigot's physical self becomes something elevated (regardless of its lumpen depreciated reality) and aesthetic; the bodies of the inferior are, by nature of their inferiority, part of the entitlement of their superiors...to be judged, rejected, or used.

248 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:12:43pm

NB:

I didn't make the leap before, but the Lowry who wrote on Derby's firing is the same guy who wrote this screed which whines about how people don't care about black on black crime and that Trayvon's Martins death is being cynically used by uncaring race-baiters.

For the sake of comparison here's TN Coates responding to a similar gambit by Juan Williams: Lowry and Williams just haven't paid attention to the responses of black communities.

Addendum: and here's John Cole pointing out the element to the Martin case that Lowry didn't address:

That’s one reason why the Trayvon Martin case is different. We know precisely who killed him, yet he walks free and clear. That is why the outrage is so loud.

249 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:14:58pm

re: #247 The Ghost of a Flea

Never underestimate the pleasurable aspect of indulging in hatred. It's a seedy side alley of Foucalt's proposition about the interplay of power and sex. It sounds weird, but there's an eroticism to racial bigotry: the bigot's physical self becomes something elevated (regardless of its lumpen depreciated reality) and aesthetic; the bodies of the inferior are, by nature of their inferiority, part of the entitlement of their superiors...to be judged, rejected, or used.

Which is a vestige of the evolutionary component of racism from a primitive human species in an underdeveloped mind and for reasons of survival. Conflict was rampant as was violence within tribes and inter-tribally. The "others" were much feared. Now with simple minds still in existence it just becomes an ego-boost more or less. For instance now I was just observing a white supremacist and noting there was nothing even remotely "supreme" in his words. Yet there's no doubt that he still feel "superior" even in his ignorance.

250 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:24:11pm

Holy shit...

Be Very Afraid
Clinton’s legacy.

Mr. Derbyshire is also an NR contributing editor
February 15, 2001 10:10 a.m.

Excerpt:

Chelsea is a Clinton. She bears the taint; and though not prosecutable in law, in custom and nature the taint cannot be ignored. All the great despotisms of the past — I'm not arguing for despotism as a principle, but they sure knew how to deal with potential trouble — recognized that the families of objectionable citizens were a continuing threat. In Stalin's penal code it was a crime to be the wife or child of an "enemy of the people". The Nazis used the same principle, which they called Sippenhaft, "clan liability". In Imperial China, enemies of the state were punished "to the ninth degree": that is, everyone in the offender's own generation would be killed, and everyone related via four generations up, to the great-great-grandparents, and four generations down, to the great-great-grandchildren, would also be killed. (This sounds complicated, but in practice what usually happened was that a battalion of soldiers was sent to the offender's home town, where they killed everyone they could find, on the principle neca eos omnes, deus suos agnoscet — "let God sort 'em out".)

251 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:24:46pm

re: #230 CuriousLurker

Don't spend even one microsecond worrying about any bogus idiocy they make up. They're terrified about Gus's post, and desperately lashing out - because they're morons, and that's what morons do. Same shit, different day.

252 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:25:52pm

I Spy the Spy. Intruder. Someone's angry.

253 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:26:11pm

re: #250 Gus

Holy shit...

Be Very Afraid
Clinton’s legacy.

Mr. Derbyshire is also an NR contributing editor
February 15, 2001 10:10 a.m.

And he was still employed by National Review for another 11+ years after writing that.

Says a lot about their editorial standards, and makes Lowry's statement in firing Derbyshire today that much more transparent.

254 CuriousLurker  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:26:55pm

re: #252 Gus

I Spy the Spy. Intruder. Someone's angry.

Sock on fire!

255 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:27:04pm

re: #253 Lidane

And he was still employed by National Review for another 11+ years after writing that.

Says a lot about their editorial standards, and makes Lowry's statement in firing Derbyshire today that much more transparent.

For sure. That's some sick shit right there. And it's still on an NRO server.

256 Lidane  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:27:59pm

re: #255 Gus

For sure. That's some sick shit right there. And it's still on an NRO server.

Of course. It's only an attack on a Democrat. It's not like he wrote anything offensive.

/Lowry

257 CuriousLurker  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:29:14pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

Don't spend even one microsecond worrying about any bogus idiocy they make up. They're terrified about Gus's post, and desperately lashing out - because they're morons, and that's what morons do. Same shit, different day.

Thanks. I wont worry, and that's a promise.

258 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:29:25pm

re: #256 Lidane

/Lowry

They always have an excuse.

"I was only joking."

"I really meant the reverse of what I said and you fell for it!"

"You're the real racist here."

"I was drunk."

259 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:30:57pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

And you have seen them, trying to do their finest!
Rock on, Charles.

260 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:30:58pm

Hello Marcus. Join us please.

261 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:32:43pm

This one is good too:

262 CuriousLurker  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:34:27pm

I have some coding to do, so I'm out for now. G'nite, lizards.

263 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:37:20pm

re: #4 jaunte

Justifying irrational fear is so provocative!

It's daring! It's tasty! It's edgy!

Also, isn't Dan Riehl in a state of constant meltdown?

264 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:42:49pm

re: #249 Gus

Which is a vestige of the evolutionary component of racism from a primitive human species in an underdeveloped mind and for reasons of survival. Conflict was rampant as was violence within tribes and inter-tribally. The "others" were much feared. Now with simple minds still in existence it just becomes an ego-boost more or less. For instance now I was just observing a white supremacist and noting there was nothing even remotely "supreme" in his words. Yet there's no doubt that he still feel "superior" even in his ignorance.

I would actually argue the opposite: that humans hate because of the development of the abstract thought process. Our sense of threat recognition is no longer paired with keen senses and a straightforward body language of aggression/submission, and our imagination and abstraction capacity means that we generate reasons to fear that don't have causation in real life.

Whether one looks at social primate or forager-subsistence humans, group vs. group behavior is very complicated in the interweaving of cooperative, interactive behaviors and defensive, "fear of others" behaviors. Generally it's far more productive to be pro-social than violent: strangers can equal opportunity as often as threat (in primates, group migration is part of growing up and joining the mating hierarchy: changing groups means a chance to alter your status). Animal (and human) wariness of strangers is a thing apart from fear of "others."

Indeed, much of the encoding of the "other" as cultural construct incorporates assumptions based upon a sedentary lifestyle and control of land, such as our-place versus not-their-place.

265 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:45:02pm

re: #264 The Ghost of a Flea

I would actually argue the opposite: that humans hate because of the development of the abstract thought process. Our sense of threat recognition is no longer paired with keen senses and a straightforward body language of aggression/submission, and our imagination and abstraction capacity means that we generate reasons to fear that don't have causation in real life.

Whether one looks at social primate or forager-subsistence humans, group vs. group behavior is very complicated in the interweaving of cooperative, interactive behaviors and defensive, "fear of others" behaviors. Generally it's far more productive to be pro-social than violent: strangers can equal opportunity as often as threat (in primates, group migration is part of growing up and joining the mating hierarchy: changing groups means a chance to alter your status). Animal (and human) wariness of strangers is a thing apart from fear of "others."

Indeed, much of the encoding of the "other" as cultural construct incorporates assumptions based upon a sedentary lifestyle and control of land, such as our-place versus not-their-place.

Right. As it should be.

266 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:53:33pm

re: #113 Ming

One interesting detail about John Derbyshire: his wife is Asian. In my experience, when you're part of an interracial couple, you acquire a heightened sensitivity to how other people view you (and your partner) from a racial angle. The point here is that Derbyshire, of all people, should have known how insanely inappropriate his article was. So why did he go ahead and write it anyway? I couldn't begin to guess. Obviously it does not reflect well on his character. Kudos to National Review for firing him.

He's very clear that he sees whites and Asians as being in a category together, blacks in entirely another.

And he seems just arrogant enough to assume that a. anyone who makes a comment about his wife and marriage is just being jolly funny, or b. is ignorant about how race REALLY is, and he'll enlighten 'em.

267 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:54:57pm

re: #250 Gus

Holy shit...

Be Very Afraid
Clinton’s legacy.

Mr. Derbyshire is also an NR contributing editor
February 15, 2001 10:10 a.m.

Excerpt:

What.The.Fuck?!?

While this article is over a decade old, you best be careful wishing for punishing "sins of the father", Mr. Derbyshire, because I doubt you want people punishing your kin because you're a fucking bigoted, racist idiot.

268 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:55:02pm

re: #122 No Monkey Man (Born With a Banana in my Hand)

Derbyshire follows the Bell Curve philosophy which puts Asians atop the pile and Blacks as second lowest. Being married to an Asian fits in with his racism.

Who's at bottom?

269 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:56:04pm

re: #268 SanFranciscoZionist

Who's at bottom?

Poor people.

270 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:56:36pm

re: #130 Lidane

That would explain why he had an entire chapter in his last book arguing that women having the right to vote was bad for conservatism.

He also called for the repeal of the Civil Rights Act, too.

He's the sort to fantasize that really intelligent women will understand that their losing the vote is actually positive, because it will help conservatism, and in no way reflects poorly on them as smart individuals, just on their dumb gender.

271 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:58:24pm

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

ROFL, Daedalus is now convinced that CuriousLurker is going to sick the Jihadis on him and wants everyone to know that he's armed to the teeth, has guns stashed all over his house and as an ex Latin King he's ready to rumble. Also, there are cameras all around his compound and his perimeter is secured, believe it - DJ rapper man who cuts faces is in serious business mode. We're talking full on paranoid delusion, he's got an Israeli made Baby Eagle, and has been given the advice to dip the bullets in lard, also someone has vowed to call their old friend in the FBI. Yep, old favors are being cashed in 'cuz people over there are connected.

Achievement Unlocked: Epic Level Insanity

I know a gal who used to work for Mossad. I should call her.

Snicker.

And what the fuck is this obsession they all have with dipping their bullets in chazer?

272 Gus  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:59:58pm

Sensors detect an RS McCain awake at 3 AM and throwing a fit.

[Dobro slide.]

273 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:09:05am

re: #271 SanFranciscoZionist

I know a gal who used to work for Mossad. I should call her.

Snicker.

And what the fuck is this obsession they all have with dipping their bullets in chazer?

Likely a dumb reference because "Muslims shouldn't eat pork." More of that intelligence superiority no doubt.

274 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:15:40am

Aloha Lizards!

Finally figured out how to get on the internet from the hotel. I am so damn old.

Happy Easter!

How has it been the last few days?

275 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:16:36am

This is how I felt trying to use the Wi-Fi Hotspot.

276 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:16:43am

re: #273 Gus

Likely a dumb reference because "Muslims shouldn't eat pork." More of that intelligence superiority no doubt.

It seems to be a recurrent thing. I can't entirely figure out what they think happens if you shoot a Muslim with a bacon-flavored bullet. I think it's a vague adaptation of that story about the Sepoy Rebellion.

The obsession with chazer is sometimes hilarious. I remember fondly the gentleman who was going to celebrate Bin Laden's death with a beer and a 'Hebrew National pork hot dog'. That was a rather extremely stupid example, but the fetishization of alcohol and pork--as though these somehow exemplified Christian values of some kind, rather than not just being forbidden--is occasionally really bizarre.

277 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:19:33am

re: #274 ggt

I want you to eat a BIG chocolate Easter bunny tomorrow, and enjoy every bite!

278 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:22:45am

re: #277 Dancing along the light of day

I want you to eat a BIG chocolate Easter bunny tomorrow, and enjoy every bite!

You are an awesome person!

279 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:25:48am

re: #276 SanFranciscoZionist

It seems to be a recurrent thing. I can't entirely figure out what they think happens if you shoot a Muslim with a bacon-flavored bullet. I think it's a vague adaptation of that story about the Sepoy Rebellion.

The obsession with chazer is sometimes hilarious. I remember fondly the gentleman who was going to celebrate Bin Laden's death with a beer and a 'Hebrew National pork hot dog'. That was a rather extremely stupid example, but the fetishization of alcohol and pork--as though these somehow exemplified Christian values of some kind, rather than not just being forbidden--is occasionally really bizarre.

Amazing in how those that literally demand religious respect can turn around and chide others for their religious beliefs. I never understood that.

280 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:26:36am

I have no idea what time it is in Hawaii. My computer says it is 2:24am in Chicago, the posts say it's sometime around 12:30 where Charles is. Oh wait, there is a clock in the room (duh). It is 9:25 here.

Volcanos are cool. The landscape on the big Island is so different from one end to the other. People are very cool.

Not sure I could live here tho. People are a bit laid back.

281 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:28:13am

re: #279 Gus

Amazing in how those that literally demand religious respect can turn around and chide others for their religious beliefs. I never understood that.

Some animals (meaning first person) are more equal than others (2nd and 3rd person). Some are really undead and can be killed with silver bullets. Others can be damned to eternal hell with other forms of magic bullets. Depends on the myth and the degree of prejudice.

282 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:28:24am

re: #278 ggt

You can eat any part of it first, that will please you!
Or, get you the most chocolate in one bite!

283 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:29:47am

re: #280 ggt

And, it's fricking expensive! Everything has to boat or fly in!
Still, very beautiful.

284 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:30:17am

re: #282 Dancing along the light of day

You can eat any part of it first, that will please you!
Or, get you the most chocolate in one bite!

I'm afraid to even loo at the cost of chocolate bunnies. Everything is so much more expensive here!!!

I might have to wait until I get home and go to Walgreen's for the 1/2 off leftovers sale.

LOL

285 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:31:46am

re: #283 Dancing along the light of day

And, it's fricking expensive! Everything has to boat or fly in!
Still, very beautiful.

I have to be the only person on the planet who doesn't like Kona coffee. I have been driving to Starbucks everyday.

I have totally enjoyed the National Parks and local art and history. The Beach? eh--I'm not a beach person.

286 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:31:48am

re: #284 ggt

They will be half off on Monday...
And you DO have a freezer...
Just saying!

287 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:34:57am

It is also strange that everyone says Aloha. Many people here look latino and I expect to hear Hola. It's wierd how you get used to certain accents and have a hard time understanding others.

When we lived in southern Ohio, I had a hard time getting used to the redneck accent. I am so used to Pakinstani's at the gas station and convenience mart, the southern drawl was almost undecipherable to me.

288 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:36:36am

re: #275 ggt

This is how I felt trying to use the Wi-Fi Hotspot.

Nevermind, I don't think that link worked so well.

289 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:43:42am
290 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:46:19am

re: #289 Gus

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The book was better!

:0

291 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:48:20am

re: #290 ggt

The book was better!

:0

Take that!

292 freetoken  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:48:44am

re: #280 ggt

I've been to Honolulu a couple of times, years ago, for work. Each time I had enough down hours to go and do a little sight-seeing.

Don't think I could live on a small island like that though - it'd drive me crazy. Honshu in Japan is about as much as I can handle without feeling constrained.

293 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:48:52am

Fine! I finally get on-line after 3 days and there is hardly anyone on line.

Sigh!

And I am beat by the healthy air and laid-back environment here.

Have a wonderful evening all!

294 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:52:52am

re: #292 freetoken

I've been to Honolulu a couple of times, years ago, for work. Each time I had enough down hours to go and do a little sight-seeing.

Don't think I could live on a small island like that though - it'd drive me crazy. Honshu in Japan is about as much as I can handle without feeling constrained.

Yeah, I know!

And it's not that easy for the locals to go from Island to Island. Air fare is expensive and there aren't really any ferry services. The channels make it hard for regular boaters to make the trip. They are really kind trapped on their islands.

I don't think I'd like that. Not that there is really any reason to leave the Island. Once one is here, there is everything you need--and it seems that people's perceived needs are greatly reduced by just being here. I have very little desire to watch TV or really do anything except enjoy the environment. Well, if I still drank and smoked weed . . . . I could definitely see a reason to stay.

LOL

NIght again all!

295 freetoken  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:58:52am

To me this piece captures the subject of this thread and the dark nature of contemporary American online society - Amidnightscapes:


296 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 1:01:16am

re: #295 freetoken

To me this piece captures the subject of this thread and the dark nature of contemporary American online society - Amidnightscapes:

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297 researchok  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 1:19:45am

Morning, all

298 researchok  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 1:23:46am

re: #295 freetoken

To me this piece captures the subject of this thread and the dark nature of contemporary American online society - Amidnightscapes:

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299 researchok  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 1:28:10am

re: #296 Gus

Another America that is lost.

300 freetoken  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 2:14:49am
301 freetoken  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:06:13am
302 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:29:30am

Morning Lizards. Still running on pseudo-Germany time. :)

Sun coming up here in Philly while I drink tea, eat buttered English muffins and read comments while the cat snoozes.

And a Happy Easter to those being observant.

(And Lufthansa gave everyone a chocolate bunny with the in-flight meal on Friday. Tasty.)

303 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:43:44am

A little retro rock for the morning as well.

304 freetoken  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:22:26am
306 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:17:59am



307 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:30:04am

[Link: www.carolineglick.com...]

American Jew hatred on the march

April 8, 2012, 3:04 AM

The following is from Lee Whitnum, a Jew hating Democrat candidate for Joe Lieberman's Senate seat.
We should remember that in the Democrat primary in 2006, Lieberman's rival Ned Lamont heavily employed anti-Jewish innuendos, blaming neoconservatives, (that is, Jews), for the war in Iraq. His backers were unabashed in their use of anti-Jewish slurs against Lieberman and his family.
And Lamont WON the primary. And the Democrat Party refused to back Lieberman in the primary.
Obviously, Lee Whitnum the Jew hater featured below decided it makes sense to use her Jew hatred as a campaign asset.

Wonder whether President Obama who heads the Democrat Party will expel this bigot from the party. Wonder if the Jewish community will demand that he do so.
Oh, never mind.

Of course, the deranged racist Caroline Glick doesn't inform her public that the guy this kook called an "AIPAC whore" is actually the Democratic frontrunner in the primary.

308 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:38:24am

Looks like they arrested two for the Tulsa shootings, both white men.

309 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:56:28am

re: #302 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Good morning to you too.

310 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:57:13am

re: #308 Obdicut

Looks like they arrested two for the Tulsa shootings, both white men.

I hope they are both executed. Scum like that shouldn't be breathing.

311 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:04:29am

re: #307 Johnny Derp

[Link: www.carolineglick.com...]

Of course, the deranged racist Caroline Glick doesn't inform her public that the guy this kook called an "AIPAC whore" is actually the Democratic frontrunner in the primary.

The Democratic leadership can't keep haters off the ballot, no more than Republicans can. What they can do is refuse to give any help or respect to haters such as Whitnum, and that is what I understand they are doing. Whitnum is a DERPy ass, but unless he gets close to winning he's not a big problem.

312 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:10:42am

I am going to be on LGF quite a bit this up coming week. I fell and hit my left side. My elbow and thigh took the brunt of the fall.

313 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:14:07am

re: #311 Dark_Falcon

It's a she too. ;)

314 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:15:04am

re: #312 PhillyPretzel

I am going to be on LGF quite a bit this up coming week. I fell and hit my left side. My elbow and thigh took the brunt of the fall.

Oh. Hope you're better now.

((((PhillyPretzel))))

315 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:16:47am

re: #314 Johnny Derp

I have a few stitches in my elbow and my thigh has a good sized bruise. At least I have the internet and PBS to keep me amused.

316 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:18:29am

re: #313 Johnny Derp

It's a she too. ;)

Oops. Eh, well: He, she, it. It matters little with haters. Their hate makes them ugly hearted losers, females as well as males.

317 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:20:16am

re: #315 PhillyPretzel

I have a few stitches in my elbow and my thigh has a good sized bruise. At least I have the internet and PBS to keep me amused.

What do you do that requires you to take a week off? Even when I worked retail, I'd have been back after a day at most. (Of course, I was on base+commission so lost work meant lost money.)

318 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:22:28am

re: #317 Dark_Falcon

I do not want to say. It is a job that I really do not like and although it pays well it is a physically demanding.

319 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:24:44am

re: #317 Dark_Falcon

What do you do that requires you to take a week off? Even when I worked retail, I'd have been back after a day at most. (Of course, I was on base+commission so lost work meant lost money.)

Dear Sir,

I am writing in response to your request for additional information in Block 3 of the accident report form. I put "poor planning" as the cause of my accident. You asked for a fuller explanation and I trust the following details will be sufficient.

I am a bricklayer by trade. On the day of the accident, I was working alone on the roof of a new six-story building. When I completed my work, I found that I had some bricks left over which, when weighed later were found to be slightly in excess of 500lbs. Rather than carry the bricks down by hand, I decided to lower them in a barrel by using a pulley, which was attached to the side of the building on the sixth floor.

Securing the rope at ground level, I went up to the roof, swung the barrel out and loaded the bricks into it. Then I went down and untied the rope, holding it tightly to ensure a slow descent of the bricks. You will note in Block 11 of the accident report form that I weigh 135lbs.

Due to my surprise at being jerked off the ground so suddenly, I lost my presence of mind and forgot to let go of the rope. Needless to say, I proceeded at a rapid rate up the side of the building.

In the vicinity of the third floor, I met the barrel, which was now proceeding downward at an equally impressive speed.

This explained the fractured skull, minor abrasions and the broken collar bone, as listed in section 3 of the accident report form.

Slowed only slightly, I continued my rapid ascent, not stopping until the fingers of my right hand were two knuckles deep into the pulley.

Fortunately by this time I had regained my presence of mind and was able to hold tightly to the rope, in spite of beginning to experience pain. At approximately the same time, however, the barrel of bricks hit the ground and the bottom fell out of the barrel.

Now devoid of the weight of the bricks, that barrel weighed approximately 50 lbs. I refer you again to my weight. As you can imagine, I began a rapid descent, down the side of the building.

In the vicinity of the third floor, I met the barrel coming up.

This accounts for the two fractured ankles, broken tooth and several
lacerations of my legs and lower body.

Here my luck began to change slightly. The encounter with the barrel seemed to slow me enough to lessen my injuries when I fell into the pile of bricks and fortunately only three vertebrae were cracked. I am sorry to report, however, as I lay there on the pile of bricks, in pain, unable to move, I again lost my composure and presence of mind and let go of the rope and I lay there watching the empty barrel begin its journey back down onto me.

This explains the two broken legs.

I hope this answers your inquiry.

(A classic. Snopes indicates versions back into the 1890s.)

320 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:26:14am

re: #318 PhillyPretzel

I do not want to say. It is a job that I really do not like and although it pays well it is a physically demanding.

That of course is your right. If you need to take time off to recover, then by all means do so. I hope you recover quickly and fully.

321 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:26:59am

re: #319 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

That is a good one. You made me laugh. Thanks. :)

322 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:27:36am

re: #321 PhillyPretzel

That is a good one. You made me laugh. Thanks. :)

It's all in the timing. :)

Hope you feel better soon.

323 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:28:16am

re: #319 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Great stuff!

324 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:29:37am

re: #312 PhillyPretzel

I am going to be on LGF quite a bit this up coming week. I fell and hit my left side. My elbow and thigh took the brunt of the fall.

Ouch! Hope you heal really quickly!

325 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:31:06am

re: #324 Sionainn

Me too. My thigh is starting to feel a bit better. A heating pad is a big help.

326 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:31:52am
327 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:34:18am

re: #307 Johnny Derp

Here's the kind of stuff Glick is responsible for:

328 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:38:56am

re: #325 PhillyPretzel

Me too. My thigh is starting to feel a bit better. A heating pad is a big help.

Those can be a help, just be careful if you are staff to a Cat Overlord. They will take possession of your heating pad if you leave it in place on a chair and will not want to move when you return. This will, of course, force you to relocate your work until such time as the Cat Overlord has finished using the pad and this may not happen for 2-3 hours.

329 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:39:44am

re: #328 Dark_Falcon

I do not have a cat.

330 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:40:34am

An interesting diary from Dkos: Why I Stopped Watching MSNBC And Listening to Most Progressive Radio Shows

This is all about tribalism, about teams, about us vs. them, but focusing on sensationalism, on prurient stuff. What is the end result of it all? The weakened, trembling, and demoralized remnants of progressives are manipulated into focusing on utter bullshit reporting of mostly sensational, scandalous, or unimportant stuff about the right wing nut-jobs.

It feels good; it makes you feel intellectually superior to the neanderthal-like right-wingers. And even though the programming is different than the utterly fascistic propaganda crap that emanates from FoxNoise, since, after all, progressives are indeed smarter than the average conservative, the effect is very similar: The corporatist-led manipulation of the progressive audience.

331 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:46:02am

re: #330 Killgore Trout

An interesting diary from Dkos: Why I Stopped Watching MSNBC And Listening to Most Progressive Radio Shows

This is one reason I also watch local news as well as CNN, and sometimes FOX when they are about news events unrelated to US politics.

However, I see nothing wrong with feeling good about being smarter than the average Republican. Hell, I'm smarter than the average Democrat too.

332 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:47:22am

re: #330 Killgore Trout

I think it's just some moonbat railing against "corporatism". You? Did you start watching Bill Moyers like him?

333 Mich-again  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:50:30am

re: #330 Killgore Trout

Tribalist crap from one side just ends up as bulletin board material for the other tribe. It doesn't sway the ones in the middle either way.

334 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:51:30am

re: #326 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

This one is my favorite Jethro Tull song:

335 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:54:03am

re: #332 Johnny Derp

I think it's just some moonbat railing against "corporatism". You? Did you start watching Bill Moyers like him?

Nah, Killgore just finds it amusing occasionally to listen to a moonbat bark.

336 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:55:57am

re: #333 Mich-again

Tribalist crap from one side just ends up as bulletin board material for the other tribe. It doesn't sway the ones in the middle either way.

And both tribes are happy to see it since it reinforces their prejudices.

337 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:56:31am

re: #332 Johnny Derp

I think it's just some moonbat railing against "corporatism". You? Did you start watching Bill Moyers like him?

I don't think he's totally off mark with the corporatism thing. He's probably a bit reflexively opposed to capitalist entities but there are some legitimate concerns. TV, radio stations, and news papers are all owned by the same handful of mega corporations. Locally owned independent media outlets are almost unheard of. Also the reason why advertiser boycotts can potentially be effective is the same company that buys ad time for soap, also manufactures cars, lighbulbs and snack chips. I don't like them having so much control over what goes over the public airwaves. Even blog content is largely dominated by a small handful of partisan lobbyists and think tanks.
His larger point about exploiting tribalistic instincts to generate passion and outrage over issues of little importance is pretty spot on.

338 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:57:02am

re: #334 Dark_Falcon

This one is my favorite Jethro Tull song:

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My current iTunes preferred playlist has that, Locomotive Breath, and Thick As A Brick (part 1) on it as the Jethro Tull contribution.

339 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:57:11am

re: #333 Mich-again

Tribalist crap from one side just ends up as bulletin board material for the other tribe. It doesn't sway the ones in the middle either way.

The thing is that while the middle is where the critical votes to turn an election come from, the energy of most elections comes from the political bases of either side. "Moderation!" is not a cry that fills the town square, but "Beat back government tyranny!" or "Make the 1% pay their fair share!" will at times be able to fill the square.

340 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:57:50am

Nothing says I'm above it all like saying I'm above it all.

341 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:58:51am

re: #328 Dark_Falcon

Those can be a help, just be careful if you are staff to a Cat Overlord. They will take possession of your heating pad if you leave it in place on a chair and will not want to move when you return. This will, of course, force you to relocate your work until such time as the Cat Overlord has finished using the pad and this may not happen for 2-3 hours.

My cats took mine over. Sat on the office car on "Low" with a couple of towels over it to diffuse the heat.

I eventually replaced it recently with a pet-specific pad that is lower temp and weight sensitive for turning on. And guess where the cat is right now...

342 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:01:21am

re: #337 Killgore Trout

What would be your examples of non-tribal, non-corporatist media outlets and personages? CSM?

343 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:07:08am

re: #341 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

My cats took mine over. Sat on the office car on "Low" with a couple of towels over it to diffuse the heat.

I eventually replaced it recently with a pet-specific pad that is lower temp and weight sensitive for turning on. And guess where the cat is right now...

That's what my mother did as well. She got a catbed and put the heating pad under it. Though we had two cats at the time, it was mostly the shorthair who used it (her longhair littermate passed away in January). The pad saw little use this winter, due to how warm it was.

344 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:07:36am

re: #340 Kronocide

Nothing says I'm above it all like saying I'm above it all.

I would respond to your comment but I can't be bothered.
/

345 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:09:18am

So, we have a representative of the tribe of non-tribalists, I see. /

346 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:12:44am

re: #343 Dark_Falcon

That's what my mother did as well. She got a catbed and put the heating pad under it. Though we had two cats at the time, it was mostly the shorthair who used it (her longhair littermate passed away in January). The pad saw little use this winter, due to how warm it was.

Old cat here basically rotates between the pad on the couch (next to which I sit) and the bedroom. The latter is the morning/early afternoon sun room if I have the blinds up so it's preferred for afternoon naps. And if the blinds are down he goes behind them and lies on a towel to bake in the heat for a while before shifting to the bed to sleep for a few hours.

347 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:12:48am

re: #342 Johnny Derp

What would be your examples of non-tribal, non-corporatist media outlets and personages? CSM?

I think CSM is a good example of what journalism should be. NPR is loaded with liberals but they are also trying to attempt serious journalism and do a decent job of it. On the corporate side I think Murdoch is a good example. Is he really a conservative ideologue? I'm sure he has some conservative leanings but he's just a business man selling people what they want to hear. If Glenn Beck gets people excited enough to sit through commercials for snack foods and detergent then he's going to put it on the air. It doesn't have to be good for conservatism, it just has to sell advertising space and generate ratings. The content isn't important beyond that.

348 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:15:11am

re: #346 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Old cat here basically rotates between the pad on the couch (next to which I sit) and the bedroom. The latter is the morning/early afternoon sun room if I have the blinds up so it's preferred for afternoon naps. And if the blinds are down he goes behind them and lies on a towel to bake in the heat for a while before shifting to the bed to sleep for a few hours.

My cats are still wary of the greenhouse but they love it. As soon as I go out there they follow. When I go inside they retreat to the doorway and hang out there most of the day. The first thing they do when I wake up is go to the greenhouse door and wait for it to be opened.

349 Wayne A. Schneider  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:18:33am

I guess NR(O) will have to un-invite Derbyshire from their post-election cruise.

[Link: www.nrcruise.com...]

350 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:19:27am

re: #349 Wayne A. Schneider

Heh.

351 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:19:45am

re: #337 Killgore Trout

I don't think he's totally off mark with the corporatism thing. He's probably a bit reflexively opposed to capitalist entities but there are some legitimate concerns. TV, radio stations, and news papers are all owned by the same handful of mega corporations. Locally owned independent media outlets are almost unheard of. Also the reason why advertiser boycotts can potentially be effective is the same company that buys ad time for soap, also manufactures cars, lighbulbs and snack chips. I don't like them having so much control over what goes over the public airwaves. Even blog content is largely dominated by a small handful of partisan lobbyists and think tanks.
His larger point about exploiting tribalistic instincts to generate passion and outrage over issues of little importance is pretty spot on.

I might quibble to some extent about whether it is about generating passion and outrage or simply exploiting for profit the passion and outrage that already exists (tribal antipathy is pretty endemic to the species), but I agree. There's also the problem that most people don't have interest in deeper investigative reporting. Maybe it's just more of a chicken/egg kind of situation.

352 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:22:08am

re: #349 Wayne A. Schneider

I guess NR(O) will have to un-invite Derbyshire from their post-election cruise.

[Link: www.nrcruise.com...]

Damn. Look at all those white old guys.

353 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:22:57am

Lots of PNACers.

354 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:25:54am

re: #352 Gus

Damn. Look at all those white old guys.

Hope they chose a safe cruise line after the last few accidents.

355 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:26:00am

re: #352 Gus

Yes. There is no one there whom I would really want to hear speak. Darn. I guess I am not a Conservative. /

356 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:26:31am

re: #351 Talking Point Detective

I might quibble to some extent about whether it is about generating passion and outrage or simply exploiting for profit the passion and outrage that already exists (tribal antipathy is pretty endemic to the species), but I agree. There's also the problem that most people don't have interest in deeper investigative reporting. Maybe it's just more of a chicken/egg kind of situation.

So you think Rachel Maddow (among others) is pretty useless? Because that's one of the points. (Of course, KT probably had yet another point here, as pertains to LGF, but let's leave it aside for a moment.)

357 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:27:33am

re: #347 Killgore Trout

Murdoch's goals are political as well as monetary. Hell, the two aren't even separable.

358 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:28:01am

re: #347 Killgore Trout

I think CSM is a good example of what journalism should be. NPR is loaded with liberals but they are also trying to attempt serious journalism and do a decent job of it. On the corporate side I think Murdoch is a good example. Is he really a conservative ideologue? I'm sure he has some conservative leanings but he's just a business man selling people what they want to hear. If Glenn Beck gets people excited enough to sit through commercials for snack foods and detergent then he's going to put it on the air. It doesn't have to be good for conservatism, it just has to sell advertising space and generate ratings. The content isn't important beyond that.

You've gotta be kidding. You seem to be implying that a multimedia empire that as a matter of policy broadcasts demonstrably false information to a multinational audience, demonizes differing points of view ("the lamestream media, herpa derp"), and actively works to shape public opinion on legislative policy issues in the context of that demonstrably false information is a "good example of what journalism should be."

359 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:28:32am

re: #354 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Hope they chose a safe cruise line after the last few accidents.

Or not.

//

360 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:29:12am

re: #358 Satanic Ritual Kazoo

No, he didn't give Fox as a "good" example.

361 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:29:41am

re: #360 Johnny Derp

No, he didn't give Fox as a "good" example.

"On the corporate side I think Murdoch is a good example."

362 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:29:52am

Hey, it's just entertainment.

363 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:30:01am

re: #361 Satanic Ritual Kazoo

"On the corporate side I think Murdoch is a good example."

Yes.

364 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:30:20am

re: #361 Satanic Ritual Kazoo

"On the corporate side I think Murdoch is a good example."

Read in context of the discussion.

365 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:31:25am

re: #358 Satanic Ritual Kazoo

No, he was saying the Christian Science Monitor is a good example. I think it's one of the best examples of what we've got, but still pretty piss-poor, myself. They fall into the stupidity of 'the truth is somewhere in the middle' far too often.

But yeah, Murdoch-- and the officers as News Corp-- have explicitly political goals. Those goals are political; whether they're political due to deep ideological fervor or just in terms of allying with the party that's the most corporatist, the most protective of the power of money, etc., who knows.

But one way or another, one of Murdoch's main goals, and achievements, has been the acquisition of political power.

366 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:32:10am

re: #355 PhillyPretzel

Yes. There is no one there whom I would really want to hear speak. Darn. I guess I am not a Conservative. /

Only people with money to burn would go on a "cruise" like that. Then again NRO was a creation of blue blood, old Northeast conservative money. Buckley used to rub elbows with the NE elitist where they shared many a clenched jaw conversation on his sail boat. That's an ironic point of course.

367 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:34:23am

Mike Wallace (CBS) has died.

368 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:34:51am

re: #352 Gus

Damn. Look at all those white old guys.

One of the few non-white ones is freaking John Yoo, who should be in a jail instead.

369 HappyWarrior  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:35:43am

re: #367 Gus

Mike Wallace (CBS) has died.

Damn, him and Andy Rooney within twelve months of each other. He was a legend.

370 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:36:38am

re: #367 Gus

Where did you read this?

371 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:37:17am

re: #370 PhillyPretzel

It's being widely reported now.

[Link: mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com...]

372 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:37:23am

re: #368 Johnny Derp

One of the few non-white ones is freaking John Yoo, who should be in a jail instead.

Myself I don't know about jail but it would be nice not to see that creeps face ever again. He's another one with huge wingnut tendencies beyond his history in the PNAC/Texas Rangers/Derp White House.

373 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:37:47am

re: #370 PhillyPretzel

Where did you read this?

374 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:38:29am

Basically, for anyone tempted to say simplistically about Murdoch, or Fox News owners/operators in general 'they just want to make money', even if that were true, even if there were no ideological component to it, they still obviously are going to seek political power so that they can make more money, by using that political power to deregulate, to keep taxes on the wealthy low, etc.

375 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:39:59am

re: #371 Obdicut

re: #373 Gus

Thanks. I have not seen it yet on yahoo or WSJ. I guess that will come later.

376 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:41:24am

re: #368 Johnny Derp

One of the few non-white ones is freaking John Yoo, who should be in a jail instead.

No, he shouldn't. You don't want to start jailing lawyers for giving legal advice, even if that advice got people hurt, unless he was directly counseling someone to break the law (which Yoo did not do). Yoo may well have counseled the Bush administration to break a UN treaty, but that is not a crime as the treaty is not self-enforcing. In any case, the need for lawyers to be able to properly advise their clients greatly outweighs any interest in punishing Yoo.

377 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:41:57am

Really glad they caught those shooters in Tulsa so quickly. Disturbing that it looks like there's two of them, though.

378 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:43:33am

Speaking of Fox, that will likely mean no Fox News Sunday this week, unless they've got a hurry-up fill-in for Mike Wallace's son, Chris.

379 Interesting Times  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:44:05am

Heh:

380 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:45:15am

re: #377 Obdicut

Really glad they caught those shooters in Tulsa so quickly. Disturbing that it looks like there's two of them, though.

"Random" shootings on CNN. One guy's named England, and the other Watts. All the victims were black. They look like your typical inbred white supremacists. Random. Cough, cough, cough, cough.

381 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:45:19am
382 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:45:28am

re: #373 Gus

What level of reporter is that to get a title of "Legendary"?

(/RPG mode)

383 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:46:02am

re: #380 Gus

"Random" shootings on CNN. One guy's named England, and the other Watts. All the victims were black. They look like your typical inbred white supremacists. Random. Cough, cough, cough, cough.

RACIST!

For implying there might be racism!

384 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:46:47am

re: #379 Interesting Times

lol

385 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:46:55am

re: #381 Kronocide

Photoshop or real?

Photoshop. Real sharks have lasers mounted on their heads. And Obama doesn't have a hoodie on.

386 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:47:15am

re: #380 Gus

Well, they could be a couple of crazy apocalyptic assholes, but given that they targeted blacks, it probably was a race thing. I'm wondering who dropped the dime on them, too. They might have been bragging about it-- one of my cop friends says that most of his breaks in homicides comes from people bragging about what they did, the fuckers.

387 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:47:23am

re: #381 Kronocide

That is photoshop.

388 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:47:32am

re: #381 Kronocide

Photoshop or real?

REALZ!

//

389 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:47:41am

re: #347 Killgore Trout

On the corporate side I think Murdoch is a good example. Is he really a conservative ideologue? I'm sure he has some conservative leanings but he's just a business man selling people what they want to hear.

A couple of days ago NPR had a quoted speech from Murdoch in Australia from 5 years ago when he basically said it would be utterly irresponsible to ignore the implications of AGW, and that he was a "green" supporter.

Now he just says what his people want to hear. I suppose he thought they wanted to hear something different 5 years ago.//

390 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:47:57am

re: #383 Kronocide

RACIST!

For implying there might be racism!

I see two ducks.

391 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:48:19am

re: #387 PhillyPretzel

That is awesome photoshop fu.

FIFY

392 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:49:45am

re: #380 Gus

"Random" shootings on CNN. One guy's named England, and the other Watts. All the victims were black. They look like your typical inbred white supremacists. Random. Cough, cough, cough, cough.

Really?
Looks like the dude on the left would get his ass kicked if he showed up to a white supremacist picnic.

393 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:50:36am

re: #386 Obdicut

Well, they could be a couple of crazy apocalyptic assholes, but given that they targeted blacks, it probably was a race thing. I'm wondering who dropped the dime on them, too. They might have been bragging about it-- one of my cop friends says that most of his breaks in homicides comes from people bragging about what they did, the fuckers.

Here's the two.

Image: 610x.jpg

Now wait there mister that guy on them there left looks like he's some kind of Samoan or something. If he's a furiner there ain't no possible way this can be them there racialized cause.

394 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:51:05am

re: #392 Killgore Trout

Really?
Looks like the dude on the left would get his ass kicked if he showed up to a white supremacist picnic.

Ha! There you go. Thanks for making my point.

395 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:52:16am

North Tulsa Shooting Suspect Arrested Two Years After Father's Murder

England's Facebook page contains the following message next to a picture of Carl England:

R.i.p dad, I cant believe next month will be 2 years I hate it. I miss you so much. I wish yo were here to see all the changes, but nothing would of changed everything happens for a reason! I love & Miss you dad very much your not forgotten. I think about you everyday & Your all around me♥

396 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:53:15am

re: #392 Killgore Trout

Really?
Looks like the dude on the left would get his ass kicked if he showed up to a white supremacist picnic.

I told a story about a Russian-Azeri skinhead and Hitler-love here once. Everything is possible.

397 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:53:52am
England's page adds support to the theory that the victims were targeted because of their race. It contains racial slurs, and at 3:40 p.m. Thursday, the following post:

"Today is two years that my dad has been gone shot by a [expletive deleted]. it's hard not to go off. between that and sheran I'm gone in the head."

On Friday at 10:15 p.m. the following post appears:

"I do believer it just mite be the time to call it quits I I hate to say it like that but I'm done if something does happen tonite be ready for another funeral later."

398 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:54:17am

re: #395 Killgore Trout

North Tulsa Shooting Suspect Arrested Two Years After Father's Murder

Here's the guy suspected of killing his father.

Image: 17359290_BG3.jpg

399 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:56:27am

re: #396 Johnny Derp

I told a story about a Russian-Azeri skinhead and Hitler-love here once. Everything is possible.

England's page adds support to the theory that the victims were targeted because of their race. It contains racial slurs, and at 3:40 p.m. Thursday, the following post:

"Today is two years that my dad has been gone shot by a [expletive deleted]. it's hard not to go off. between that and sheran I'm gone in the head."

400 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:56:59am

re: #398 Gus

Here's the guy suspected of killing his father.

Image: 17359290_BG3.jpg

Yeah, it appears he was racially motivated but he's probably not a wingnut Fox news viewer or white supremacist.

401 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:57:51am

re: #400 Killgore Trout

Yeah, it appears he was racially motivated but he's probably not a wingnut Fox news viewer or white supremacist.

Whatever. I didn't say he was a Fox News viewer.

402 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:58:43am

re: #400 Killgore Trout

Yeah, it appears he was racially motivated but he's probably not a wingnut Fox news viewer or white supremacist.

You don't know that.

403 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:00:12am

re: #400 Killgore Trout

Yeah, it appears he was racially motivated but he's probably not a wingnut Fox news viewer or white supremacist.

Where's your sarc tag?/

404 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:00:23am

He's probably never listened to Beck or Limbaugh either.

(wry smirk)

405 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:01:08am

I bet he loooooves Obama. Youth of today and all.

(eye roll, snort)

406 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:01:15am
407 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:03:32am

re: #406 Killgore Trout

Here's Alvin Watts facebook page

Ah yes. 4 out of 5 of his "favorite athletes" are black and he like Lil Wayne. This surely can't be about race.

//

408 Interesting Times  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:08:05am

What about the John Derbyshire school of racism, i.e. not so much white supremacy but black inferiority? I just remembered a particularly grotesque example, described by austin_blue last year:

"We are not a white supremacist site here at Chimpout. We welcome all races, creeds, and colors...just no n*****s."

I. Am. In. Awe. Of. Teh. Evil.

(On a lighter note, will they take the Irish?)

409 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:09:31am

re: #376 Dark_Falcon

No, he shouldn't. You don't want to start jailing lawyers for giving legal advice, even if that advice got people hurt, unless he was directly counseling someone to break the law (which Yoo did not do). Yoo may well have counseled the Bush administration to break a UN treaty, but that is not a crime as the treaty is not self-enforcing. In any case, the need for lawyers to be able to properly advise their clients greatly outweighs any interest in punishing Yoo.

John Yoo "counseled" the executive branch that it was perfectly okay to perform actions that the US government executed Japanese military officers for performing during WWII.

410 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:09:36am

re: #400 Killgore Trout

Yeah, it appears he was racially motivated but he's probably not a wingnut Fox news viewer or white supremacist.

What I'd say is that he likely developed a hate for black people after a black man murdered his father, a hate possibly nurtured by Watts. It would be so very Derbyshire of him to do so: Develop a close non-white friend so that people are less likely to see what a racist you are.

411 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:11:52am

re: #408 Interesting Times

What about the John Derbyshire school of racism, i.e. not so much white supremacy but black inferiority? I just remembered a particularly grotesque example, described by austin_blue last year:

I. Am. In. Awe. Of. Teh. Evil.

(On a lighter note, will they take the Irish?)

Yeah, but if the guy who wrote that is Asian or Hispanic then he can't possibly be a true Scotsman white supremacist.

//

412 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:23:25am

re: #411 Gus

Yeah, but if the guy who wrote that is Asian or Hispanic then he can't possibly be a true Scotsman white supremacist.

//

Oh. So an Asian making a crack about "monkeys wearing wristwatches" wasn't really talking about monkeys?!?
//
(Was actually as Asian of one ethnic sub-group talking about another sub-group. Tribalism and all that you know.)

413 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:26:00am

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

Jake England
Today is two years that my dad has been gone shot by a fucking n***** it's hard not to go off between that and sheran I'm gone in the head.
RIP
. Dad and sheran I
. Love and miss u
I think about both of u every second of the day
Share · Friday at 12:04am via mobile ·
6 people like this.
16 shares
Billy Lawson that n***** will get his bro keep your head up
Friday at 12:05am
Marissa Nichole Starkey My condolences Jake
Friday at 12:09am
Jodi Crosby Flatt Your dad was a GREAT guy, and he left us too soon. He's watching you raise the baby and remembering how he did it all, too, when you kids were growing up. He loved his kids so much, even enough to pay the ultimate price for protecting them. As you would too. ♥
Friday at 12:24am
Alvin Watts I kno i miss them 2. My last meomeries were great ones of them. Its nt goodbye its c u later.
Friday at 1:24am · 1

Seems like a normal, non-ideological everyday white supremacism to me.

414 Mich-again  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:26:16am

re: #339 Dark_Falcon

The thing is that while the middle is where the critical votes to turn an election come from, the energy of most elections comes from the political bases of either side.

The most effective way to get someone to change their mind is to just plant a seed of doubt and give it time. Shouting insults won't change anyone's mind. There really isn't much point trying to convert the radicals from the other side, and the harder you try, the more emboldened they get. Best to ignore them and make a reasonable pitch to the undecided or ones who aren't totally passionate one way or the other.

415 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:26:31am

quickly noted by RW blogosphere: Killer's father murdered two years ago.

OK it's racism but his dad was murdered by a black.

416 Mich-again  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:27:25am

re: #415 Kronocide

quickly noted by RW blogosphere: Killer's father murdered two years ago.

OK it's racism but his dad was murdered by a black.

How long till we hear a mutated version of Stand Your Ground as a defense.

417 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:28:09am

re: #410 Dark_Falcon

What I'd say is that he likely developed a hate for black people after a black man murdered his father, a hate possibly nurtured by Watts. It would be so very Derbyshire of him to do so: Develop a close non-white friend so that people are less likely to see what a racist you are.

Do you think it's possible that there was already racism before his father was murdered?

418 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:28:53am

re: #416 Mich-again

How long till we hear a mutated version of Stand Your Ground Race as a defense.

Derbyshire already did that.

419 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:32:17am

Looks like there was some other tragedy with someone named Sheran Wilde:

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

Alvin Watts I told him that 2 jodi. Its been 2 yrs since his dad passed. He's a strong minded man.he knows it aint good bye dad its c u later.we read da bible everynite 2gether he luvs it. It helps him alot peeple.
Thursday at 9:10pm

420 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:35:17am

re: #356 Johnny Derp

So you think Rachel Maddow (among others) is pretty useless? Because that's one of the points. (Of course, KT probably had yet another point here, as pertains to LGF, but let's leave it aside for a moment.)

I don't see Maddow, PBS, NPR as being anywhere near as exploitative as Fox News, Hannity, O'Reilly, CNN, the network news, etc. Obviously, that opinion could be influenced by my ideology - but I think I could make a pretty strong case that the first group I mentioned does a much better quality of investigative reporting. And the left of the ilk such as Maddow don't have nearly as much to gain from exploiting tribalism - because the audience on the left for vapid reporting just isn't as vast.

Having an orientation in your reporting and exploiting tribalism are not necessarily the same thing.

421 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:35:20am

re: #419 Johnny Derp

Looks like there was some other tragedy with someone named Sheran Wilde:

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

I read that she was his fiancee and she killed herself.

422 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:35:26am

Cardinal Dolan: Gov't contraception policy a "radical intrusion"

"Our problem is the government is intruding into the life of faith in the church that they shouldn't be doing."

There would be no problem if the church stuck to it faith based business, running churches, and didn't mess in the secular marketplace because of the advantageous tax deductions it can claim./

423 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:37:57am

re: #421 Sionainn

I read that she was his fiancee and she killed herself.

She was also the mother of his son.

424 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:39:42am

Racism row over gypsy gunman story

An Austrian journalist has filed a legal complaint against a newspaper in Switzerland that showed a front-page of the gypsy child pointing a gun at the cameramen with the warning "The Roma are coming - robberies in Switzerland"...

425 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:41:34am

re: #420 Talking Point Detective

I don't see Maddow, PBS, NPR as being anywhere near as exploitative as Fox News, Hannity, O'Reilly, CNN, the network news, etc.

426 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:41:40am

re: #420 Talking Point Detective

I don't see Maddow, PBS, NPR as being anywhere near as exploitative as Fox News, Hannity, O'Reilly, CNN, the network news, etc. Obviously, that opinion could be influenced by my ideology - but I think I could make a pretty strong case that the first group I mentioned does a much better quality of investigative reporting. And the left of the ilk such as Maddow don't have nearly as much to gain from exploiting tribalism - because the audience on the left for vapid reporting just isn't as vast.

Having an orientation in your reporting and exploiting tribalism are not necessarily the same thing.

I agree with these points. However the original DK poster's point was that watching Maddow et al. is just as destructive and tribalistic, and helps evul korporashuns. And apparently KT agrees with this point (and wants to make a point about LGF's reporting).

427 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:41:59am

Die Weltwoche

Die Weltwoche ("The World Week") is a Swiss weekly magazine based in Zürich. It is privately owned by Roger Köppel. The magazine's regular columnists of note include the former president of the Social Democratic Party of Switzerland, Peter Bodenmann, as well as Christoph Mörgeli MP, a leading figure of the right wing of the nationalist Swiss People's Party, and cultural and social commentator Alexander, Count von Schönburg-Glauchau.

The magazine's editorial stance today is considered to range between economic liberalism and neo-conservatism - regularly along the lines of the Swiss People's Party as critics allege

[Link: www.weltwoche.ch...]

428 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:49:24am

NBC - Never Forget

429 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:49:51am

re: #426 Johnny Derp

I agree with these points. However the original DK poster's point was that watching Maddow et al. is just as destructive and tribalistic, and helps evul korporashuns. And apparently KT agrees with this point (and wants to make a point about LGF's reporting).

Yeah - I agree with some of KT's stuff but not all of it, for sure.

Sometimes on the left I see tribalism that I think is mostly counterproductve - in the sense of hyping partisan aligned finger-pointing, like when a Republican gets caught doing something corrupt. I can't think of when I saw Maddow doing that - although I wouldn't doubt that she might on occasion. Sometimes I wish the left would leave the vapid partisanship to conservatives, it's a losing game because conservatives are just much better at it.

KT's got Moonbat Derangement Syndrome - so he sees moonbats sometimes where they don't exist, but there is a valid point beneath the garbage that he throws on top.

430 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:52:29am

re: #429 Talking Point Detective

Sometimes on the left I see tribalism that I think is mostly counterproductve - in the sense of hyping partisan aligned finger-pointing, like when a Republican gets caught doing something corrupt. I can't think of when I saw Maddow doing that - although I wouldn't doubt that she might on occasion. Sometimes I wish the left would leave the vapid partisanship to conservatives, it's a losing game because conservatives are just much better at it.

I completely agree with that and that's why I found the Dkos diary interesting.

431 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:52:58am

re: #429 Talking Point Detective

I also think people have really fallen in love with the word 'tribalism' and I have no clue what people actually mean when they say it.

432 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:53:45am

re: #431 Obdicut

Vague platitudes in vogue? Never happens! //

433 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:54:26am

Next up: Tribalism derangement syndrome.

434 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:55:19am

re: #433 jaunte

Next up: Tribalism derangement syndrome.

Damn Sioux!

//

435 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:56:10am

re: #433 jaunte

I think people are just using it to mean 'partisan' but they got sick of saying partisan. Or something.

Tribes, in actual anthropological terms, are very small and very close-knit. It's a totally inappropriate word to use for any broad, diverse group.

436 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:58:38am

re: #432 Johnny Derp

Vague platitudes in vogue? Never happens! //

The anti-tribalist tribe can be just as annoying as agnostics.

//

437 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:59:37am

re: #431 Obdicut

I also think people have really fallen in love with the word 'tribalism' and I have no clue what people actually mean when they say it.

When I use it, I mean it to refer to a tendency towards acting out of a group identification, castigation of the "other," - members of another tribe.

438 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:59:55am

re: #436 Gus

The anti-tribalist tribe can be just as annoying as agnostics.

//

The Chief of the Tribe of Agnostics has just declared the war on you.

439 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:00:57am

re: #435 Obdicut

"Identity politics" maybe, but that's pretty cumbersome and ill-defined too.

440 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:01:59am
441 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:02:12am

re: #437 Talking Point Detective

When I use it, I mean it to refer to a tendency towards acting out of a group identification, castigation of the "other," - members of another tribe.

The first part makes a little bit of sense, if you're saying people have this false idea of group identity they're subscribing to. The latter doesn't make much sense-- there's nothing inherent in a tribe that castigates the 'other'. Sure, human history is full of wars between groups, but it's also full of groups living peacefully with each other.

442 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:03:57am

re: #439 jaunte

I think that people mean an artificial attempt to create tribalism, to get people to adhere to a group identity that doesn't actually exist, a shared 'heritage' that's baloney, a shared history that's fabricated. To me, tribalism is a natural outgrowth of kinship and association, but what's being called tribalism by most people is the result of propaganda, not actual relationships or dependencies.

It's important to distinguish, especially since this new, false tribalism demonstrates the power of propaganda.

443 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:04:58am

re: #417 Kronocide

Do you think it's possible that there was already racism before his father was murdered?

Sure, but the murder was likely the trigger event that turned the racism violent.

444 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:06:14am

re: #437 Talking Point Detective

When I use it, I mean it to refer to a tendency towards acting out of a group identification, castigation of the "other," - members of another tribe.

I use it in a way that is very similar to partisanship - but maybe it's more generic in a sense; partisanship can mean loyalty to any kind of group or even to a fixed ideology, but I think of it usually in political discussions as referring to party-orientation and if I'm referring to a more generic tendency, I tend to use tribalism.

It's also used a lot in climate change debates, and I was hanging out in the climate change blogosphere for a while - so it became more a part of my working vocabulary. It is also, I believe, a term that is used by social psychologists who study the phenomenon of how group identification affects reasoning.

445 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:06:35am

re: #440 Kronocide

Charles?

446 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:06:44am

re: #431 Obdicut

I also think people have really fallen in love with the word 'tribalism' and I have no clue what people actually mean when they say it.

I think you do have a clue, but are long winded about the word being overused.

447 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:07:05am

Yes that's a bass.

448 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:08:45am

re: #446 Flame Fin Tomini Tang

I think you do have a clue, but are long winded about the word being overused.

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. Could you restate?

449 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:09:28am

re: #442 Obdicut

To me, tribalism is a natural outgrowth of kinship and association, but what's being called tribalism by most people is the result of propaganda, not actual relationships or dependencies.

It's important to distinguish, especially since this new, false tribalism demonstrates the power of propaganda.

So, when the witch doctor tells everyone that foreigners that come by air are evil and intend to kill their tribe's members, that is not propaganda?

450 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:09:58am

re: #441 Obdicut

The first part makes a little bit of sense, if you're saying people have this false idea of group identity they're subscribing to. The latter doesn't make much sense-- there's nothing inherent in a tribe that castigates the 'other'. Sure, human history is full of wars between groups, but it's also full of groups living peacefully with each other.

Sure - strong loyalty to one's own group doesn't necessarily imply antagonism towards other groups, but the two do often go hand in hand, and very often loyalty to one's own group lies at the root of antagonism towards members of other groups. Partisanship does have more of an inherent connotation of antagonism towards others.

451 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:10:32am

re: #449 Flame Fin Tomini Tang

So, when the witch doctor tells everyone that foreigners that come by air are evil and intend to kill their tribe's members, that is not propaganda?

The term 'witch doctor' is rather problematic, not sure if you should use it.

BBL

452 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:11:25am

re: #449 Flame Fin Tomini Tang

So, when the witch doctor tells everyone that foreigners that come by air are evil and intend to kill their tribe's members, that is not propaganda?

Um, sure, that'd be propaganda. But in general, a tribe is an anthropological unit, usually defined as a small, close-knit group, usually bound by kinship, sharing a strong cultural identity and physical proximity.

What I'm pointing out is the current usage of it for politics is wildly different, and doesn't appear to be based on real associations, but purely ideological ones. There is no real dependency. An actual tribe depends on each other, there's actual relationships there.

453 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:11:36am

re: #442 Obdicut

I think that people mean an artificial attempt to create tribalism, to get people to adhere to a group identity that doesn't actually exist, a shared 'heritage' that's baloney, a shared history that's fabricated.

I don't recall seeing people use it in that way. Mostly when I've seen people use the term it references group identity that does exist.

454 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:12:36am

"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds"

:)

455 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:12:52am

re: #453 Talking Point Detective

I don't recall seeing people use it in that way. Mostly when I've seen people use the term it references group identity that does exist.

No, I think we disagree on whether that group identity really exists or not.

456 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:13:35am

re: #454 Varek Raith

"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds"

:)

Nah.

457 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:13:39am

re: #454 Varek Raith

"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds"

:)

Image: enhanced-buzz-30980-1333729274-58.jpg

458 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:13:58am

re: #448 Obdicut

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. Could you restate?

Again, your definition of tribal identity is either vague, or too specific. There are many factors that define a strong group identity (tribalism, is one word for it), not only genetics or culture. One category is difference from others, and perceived threat from others.

These views are just as real if resulting from "propaganda" as from direct experience.

459 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:14:20am

re: #457 Gus

lol

460 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:15:00am

re: #451 Dark_Falcon

The term 'witch doctor' is rather problematic, not sure if you should use it.

BBL

I was trying to be as simple and primitive as I could. Are you suggesting it is not politically correct?

461 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:17:00am

re: #458 Flame Fin Tomini Tang

Again, your definition of tribal identity is either vague, or too specific.

How so?

There are many factors that define a strong group identity (tribalism, is one word for it), not only genetics.

I didn't say it was only genetics.

One category is difference from others, and perceived threat from others.

I'm sorry, I'm just really not getting you. Are you just saying that any group that's different from another is automatically a tribe? So, grad students are a tribe?

These views are just as real if resulting from "propaganda" as from direct experience.

No, you're missing my point. People in a tribe actually depend on each other, their actions have immediate consequences. If some dude in your tribe pisses in the water supply, it has an immediate effect on you. If some dude in your tribe kills a member of another tribe, it has an immediate effect for you. If a guy in your tribe figures out a better way to irrigate, it has an effect for you.

People are now using the word 'tribe' to describe people with no real relationships besides that which they also share with people who wouldn't be considered part of the 'tribe'. That's the difference I'm pointing out; the lack of actual relationships between the people being called part of a 'tribe'.

Does that help you understand?

462 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:17:49am

re: #455 Obdicut

No, I think we disagree on whether that group identity really exists or not.

If you limit the definition of tribe in the way that you do, then it is being used to describe tribes that don't exist. But I think that tribe is often used as a more general term - to refer to groups that identify by interests, or ideology, or leadership, etc. I think that the term is useful for making a point - although, sure, it can be overused, and the assumption implied that all groups are inherently antagonistic towards other groups is counterproductive.

463 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:18:28am

re: #452 Obdicut

An actual tribe depends on each other, there's actual relationships there.

I know what you are saying and I will agree that the word is sometimes overused, but I still maintain that I would be sociologically correct in referring to, say, the Tea Party, as a tribal grouping.

464 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:19:02am

re: #454 Varek Raith

"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds"

:)

How was Tahiti?

//

465 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:19:57am

re: #462 Talking Point Detective

. But I think that tribe is often used as a more general term - to refer to groups that identify by interests, or ideology, or leadership, etc.

And I think that's a bad misuse of the term, because people bound by an ideology don't actually depend on each other. That's my chief complaint; tribe, to me, implies a real association, not just an ideological one, a real interdependence. Tribalism is more defensible than being an ideologue, because there's an actual reason to be tribal.

466 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:23:53am

re: #463 Flame Fin Tomini Tang

I know what you are saying and I will agree that the word is sometimes overused, but I still maintain that I would be sociologically correct in referring to, say, the Tea Party, as a tribal grouping.

Well, I think you're quite wrong, because I don't think those people really share anything, or have any real relationships with each other. A Tea Party dude in Massachusetts and a Tea Party guy in Texas may have no shared values, no dependencies on each other, no things in common, and yet for some reason they're getting treated as though they're part of the same group just 'cuz they use the same name. It's like saying all Christians are part of the same tribe, or all Catholics, or all Communists. What's the point?

If by 'sociological', you mean the anthropological term, then you're definitely incorrect.

467 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:23:58am

re: #461 Obdicut

People are now using the word 'tribe' to describe people with no real relationships besides that which they also share with people who wouldn't be considered part of the 'tribe'. That's the difference I'm pointing out; the lack of actual relationships between the people being called part of a 'tribe'.

Does that help you understand?

There are many circumstances, particularly in politics, when people act in concert according to shared views, to the extent that one can call it "groupthink".

True, they may not act that way in all everyday matters, but when describing their actions in a particular context, it can be correct to call the grouping tribal in nature.

A full fledged "tribe" according to your definition would act the same way in the same context as the broader group above.

468 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:25:05am

I am being called elsewhere (get off the damn computer, please).

469 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:25:09am

re: #464 Gus

How was Tahiti?

//

Nice.
Then windy.

470 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:25:27am

re: #465 Obdicut

And I think that's a bad misuse of the term, because people bound by an ideology don't actually depend on each other. That's my chief complaint; tribe, to me, implies a real association, not just an ideological one, a real interdependence. Tribalism is more defensible than being an ideologue, because there's an actual reason to be tribal.

I'm more a descriptivist than a prescriptivist.

I think that often people use the term in a way that I think conveys a useful and important concept. That doesn't mean that there shouldn't be discussion about the limitations of the concept - quite the contrary. If "mis-using" the term generates discussion about counterproductive misconceptions, so much the better.

For me one useful aspect of the term is that it connotes a "primitive" attribute - which in terms of how people engage in political or other debates, correlates with how identity affects reasoning at a very "primitive" level in a cognitive sense.

471 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:26:29am
472 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:27:02am

Lots of concern about black victims of crime. Especially in Chicago. Especially from the right wing.

Concern. That's what it is.

473 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:27:29am

re: #467 Flame Fin Tomini Tang

There are many circumstances, particularly in politics, when people act in concert according to shared views, to the extent that one can call it "groupthink".

What are you talking about as an act here, like, voting, or campaigning, or something?

True, they may not act that way in all everyday matters, but when describing their actions in a particular context, it can be correct to call the grouping tribal in nature.

Well, obviously, I disagree. Seems an awkward word shoehorned in for no good reason, that adds nothing and simply confuses shit.

A full fledged "tribe" according to your definition would act the same way in the same context as the broader group above.

I don't understand what you mean by this. Act in what same way?

I'm sorry, but it's simply not true that small, close-knit groups of people who actually depend on each other for physical needs-- what has traditionally been called tribes-- act the same as a broad, disparate group connected by ideology. The two things are very, very separate.

474 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:29:50am

re: #466 Obdicut

...and yet for some reason they're getting treated as though they're part of the same group just 'cuz they use the same name

But it isn't only a matter of how they are treated by others. Even though the differences you describe may exist, they are likely very linked in how they approach certain political issues. For example, they are highly likely to have similar attitudes towards Obama, towards taxation, etc. I would say that much of the underlying mechanisms of the reasoning for their views is strongly tied to their group identification and their identification of Obama, or "tax and spend libruls" as "the other."

475 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:31:10am

re: #470 Talking Point Detective

I'm more a descriptivist than a prescriptivist.

I think that often people use the term in a way that I think conveys a useful and important concept.

What concept is that? People behaving ideologically?

That doesn't mean that there shouldn't be discussion about the limitations of the concept - quite the contrary. If "mis-using" the term generates discussion about counterproductive misconceptions, so much the better.

Why is it better? Or, to put it another way, butter your fuck-nut?

For me one useful aspect of the term is that it connotes a "primitive" attribute - which in terms of how people engage in political or other debates, correlates with how identity affects reasoning at a very "primitive" level in a cognitive sense.

Yeah, well, that'd be exactly where I think it's a stupid term to use, for exactly why I've said: real members of a tribe actually depend on each other. You can show, evolutionary, practically, and in every other way why they have group identity and cohesion.

What do you mean by 'a very primitive level in a cognitive sense'?

476 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:33:47am

re: #475 Obdicut

What concept is that? People behaving ideologically?

Why is it better? Or, to put it another way, butter your fuck-nut?

Yeah, well, that'd be exactly where I think it's a stupid term to use, for exactly why I've said: real members of a tribe actually depend on each other. You can show, evolutionary, practically, and in every other way why they have group identity and cohesion.

What do you mean by 'a very primitive level in a cognitive sense'?

I think we've reached a point where further discussion won't be of any value to me. Your point about the danger implied by an assumption of antagonism between tribes, I think, is a good one. I'll leave it at that.

477 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:34:16am

Butter your fucknut added to my repartee' repository.

478 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:34:24am

re: #474 Talking Point Detective

But it isn't only a matter of how they are treated by others.

I'm not saying it is.

Even though the differences you describe may exist, they are likely very linked in how they approach certain political issues.

Maybe. So, are blacks members of a 'tribe' too, by this rationale? How many tribes can someone belong to? Tribes should be exclusionary if they're to have any actual meaning.

For example, they are highly likely to have similar attitudes towards Obama, towards taxation, etc.

So why does that make the similarity of their attitudes 'tribal'?

I would say that much of the underlying mechanisms of the reasoning for their views is strongly tied to their group identification and their identification of Obama, or "tax and spend libruls" as "the other."

Kind of. I think that their identification with the group is based on that fear and hate, not that the fear and hate come from membership in the group, though. I'm pointing out that that group identification is based on nothing real except the antagonism. There is no actual tribe. They don't actually depend on each other, know each other, understand each other.

479 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:36:59am

It kind of reminds me of when 'meme' started floating around. People started using the word 'meme' to describe any idea that could be spread, instead of ideas that actually replicate.

480 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:38:45am

re: #479 Obdicut

It kind of reminds me of when 'meme' started floating around. People started using the word 'meme' to describe any idea that could be spread, instead of ideas that actually replicate.

Meme meme.

//

481 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:39:31am

Pseudo-tribalism.

482 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:40:17am

re: #481 jaunte

Pseudo-tribalism.

You crypto-tribalist!

483 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:40:19am

re: #480 Gus

Meme meme.

//

Nyuk nyuk nyuk.

484 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:40:42am

Instead of "witch doctor" how about shaman. [Link: www.thefreedictionary.com...]

485 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:42:28am

re: #482 Gus

"Gentlemen, let's not call names!"

486 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:42:43am

re: #481 jaunte

Yeah, that's really the point I'm trying to make; it's politicians and propagandists trying to create a false sense of unity and group identity where there isn't one, and denying the real interdependence.

You see a lot of this from the GOP aisle, the 'real America' bits, the talk about the 'job creators', trying to create this idea where only some of the people in this country are actually interdependent and the others are just parasites. The truth, is, of course, that some dude out in Montana is dependent on me in New York, and vice versa. We're all part of the same society, we all have the same nation, we all need each other.

But that's 'collectivist'. It's funny that the people promoting this stupid pseudo-tribalism are also the most aggressively anti-collectivist.

487 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:43:17am

re: #485 jaunte

"Gentlemen, let's not call names!"

488 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:43:30am

re: #485 jaunte

"Gentlemen, let's not call names!"

...

Now listen, you queer, you stop calling me a crypto-Tribalist or I'll sock you in the goddamn face and you'll stay plastered.

489 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:44:06am

re: #488 Gus

rofl

490 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:44:17am

re: #485 jaunte

491 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:44:37am

re: #486 Obdicut

It's tough, trying to herd all the rugged individualists into a coherent group identity.

492 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:50:37am
493 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:53:56am
494 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:54:37am

re: #487 Johnny Derp

This thing is fucking crazy.

495 RadicalModerate  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:56:38am

You know, I would have thought that the commenters over at FoxNews would have exhibited at least a little decorum regarding Mike Wallace's death, being that his son Chris is part of the Fox team.

No, they are as classless as always.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

pantherhunter 2 minutes ago
93 years is an awfully long time for a Socialist to live in the United States ... a lot of the damage he helped cause to this country will probably never be able to be righted.
2 people liked this.

axmax83 1 minute ago in reply to pantherhunter
It wil be righted, it will just entail a lot of bloodshed. Look at the bright side, someday there will be target practice and the libs will be the targets.

ralpherus 4 minutes ago in reply to ratrap
Actually instead of rest in peace, I hope he is already where marxist pigs go. (where they came from before they were given human disguises..back to the demon pit)

colyercr 20 minutes ago
one less liberal, many more to go
2 people liked this.

bamajdk 28 minutes ago
well, one liberal media personality silenced.
1 person liked this.

dielibs2 30 minutes ago in reply to mads.toft
all liberals should be terminated.
2 people liked this

americasroots 37 minutes ago
One less liberal on the planet
4 people liked this

496 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:58:41am

re: #495 RadicalModerate

They do not know the meaning of decorum.

497 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:02:04am
498 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:06:02am

re: #497 Gus

So Derpyshire is a mild, tolerant ... gay? ////

499 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:08:08am

re: #498 Johnny Derp

So Derpyshire is a mild, tolerant ... gay? ///

500 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:09:28am

re: #497 Gus

You try to go one day without a Dan Riehl reference, but they keep dragging you back in...

501 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:10:45am

re: #500 jaunte

You try to go one day without a Dan Riehl reference, but they keep dragging you back in...

Ugh. I hate seeing that little pin-head profile pic in my Twitter feed. ;)

502 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:18:37am
503 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:19:22am

Derbyshire Defense: it's ok to judge blacks because they're racist, therefore, you're protecting yourself by being racist. AKA: Stand Your Race.

504 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:22:23am

Oh yes, it's all about responsible journalism now.

505 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:25:39am

re: #504 Kronocide

Oh yes, it's all about responsible journalism now.

AGITATORS!!!

//

506 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:25:49am

re: #500 jaunte

You try to go one day without a Dan Riehl reference, but they keep dragging you back in...

I think Dan was the yahoo driving that pickup with the confederate flag up and down the beach at Nags Head.
/

507 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:27:25am

re: #319 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Dear Sir,

I am writing in response to your request for additional information in Block 3 of the accident report form. I put "poor planning" as the cause of my accident. You asked for a fuller explanation and I trust the following details will be sufficient.

I am a bricklayer by trade. On the day of the accident, I was working alone on the roof of a new six-story building. When I completed my work, I found that I had some bricks left over which, when weighed later were found to be slightly in excess of 500lbs. Rather than carry the bricks down by hand, I decided to lower them in a barrel by using a pulley, which was attached to the side of the building on the sixth floor.

Securing the rope at ground level, I went up to the roof, swung the barrel out and loaded the bricks into it. Then I went down and untied the rope, holding it tightly to ensure a slow descent of the bricks. You will note in Block 11 of the accident report form that I weigh 135lbs.

Due to my surprise at being jerked off the ground so suddenly, I lost my presence of mind and forgot to let go of the rope. Needless to say, I proceeded at a rapid rate up the side of the building.

In the vicinity of the third floor, I met the barrel, which was now proceeding downward at an equally impressive speed.

This explained the fractured skull, minor abrasions and the broken collar bone, as listed in section 3 of the accident report form.

Slowed only slightly, I continued my rapid ascent, not stopping until the fingers of my right hand were two knuckles deep into the pulley.

Fortunately by this time I had regained my presence of mind and was able to hold tightly to the rope, in spite of beginning to experience pain. At approximately the same time, however, the barrel of bricks hit the ground and the bottom fell out of the barrel.

Now devoid of the weight of the bricks, that barrel weighed approximately 50 lbs. I refer you again to my weight. As you can imagine, I began a rapid descent, down the side of the building.

In the vicinity of the third floor, I met the barrel coming up.

This accounts for the two fractured ankles, broken tooth and several
lacerations of my legs and lower body.

Here my luck began to change slightly. The encounter with the barrel seemed to slow me enough to lessen my injuries when I fell into the pile of bricks and fortunately only three vertebrae were cracked. I am sorry to report, however, as I lay there on the pile of bricks, in pain, unable to move, I again lost my composure and presence of mind and let go of the rope and I lay there watching the empty barrel begin its journey back down onto me.

This explains the two broken legs.

I hope this answers your inquiry.

(A classic. Snopes indicates versions back into the 1890s.)

One of the Mythbusters' first myths to test; they confirmed it could happen. ;-P

508 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:28:09am

Why the hell was I Following Tebow on Twitter? I have no idea.

509 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:31:25am

Tulsa, OK shooting suspects - inmate details:

Name: ENGLAND, JACOB CARL
Gender: M Race: W
D.O.B.: 8/9/1992 Height: 5' 8" Weight: 170
DLM: 1196396 Hair: BRO Eyes: BRO

Name: WATTS, ALVIN LEE
Gender: M Race: W
D.O.B.: 4/9/1979 Height: 5' 05" Weight: 130
DLM: 9900577 Hair: BRO Eyes: GRN

510 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:33:09am

re: #504 Kronocide

[Embedded content] Oh yes, it's all about responsible journalism now.

Yeah, that is one thing that's driven me up the wall, it's the excuse-making about how it's the media, or the "race-baiters," or the politicians, or the lawyers who "injected race" into this case.

511 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:33:22am

Wind up the Breitbart toys! According to the Tulsa County Inmate Information Center, Mr. England is listed as white!

Dun, dun, dun, dun.

512 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:34:50am

re: #511 Gus

Heh. I googled for something else yesterday, but the first result was this: [Link: offender.fdle.state.fl.us...]

513 Digital Display  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:35:08am

re: #505 Gus

AGITATORS!!!

//

I listened to the audio of Rodan last night..That is some crazy raciest spewing..The Headline says it all. Rodan exposed.
It used to bother me that he lied about me spreading raciest comments on Blogs. He had proof. Really?
I could care less about anything he ever says about me again.

514 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:36:55am

re: #510 Targetpractice

Yeah, that is one thing that's driven me up the wall, it's the excuse-making about how it's the media, or the "race-baiters," or the politicians, or the lawyers who "injected race" into this case.

I personally love the "what about black on black crime?" gambit...thrown out by people who've never showed any interest in that subject e'er before...or have addressed by prescribing that black folks need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

515 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:38:57am

re: #513 HoosierHoops

I listened to the audio of Rodan last night..That is some crazy raciest spewing..The Headline says it all. Rodan exposed.
It used to bother me that he lied about me spreading raciest comments on Blogs. He had proof. Really?
I could care less about anything he ever says about me again.

I sure as hell don't care what he has to say. As you know I never even encountered him here. He developed an attraction to me one night when I said something about Chetniks. He's been thinking about me since or for about 4 years now. 4 years! That's some dweebish pathetic shit right there.

516 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:39:01am

re: #513 HoosierHoops

Actually, I feel sorry for him. He's got some serious issues.

517 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:40:05am

re: #511 Gus

You can do a search for Latino names and it's everywhere. E.g.:

[Link: offender.fdle.state.fl.us...]
[Link: offender.fdle.state.fl.us...]
[Link: offender.fdle.state.fl.us...]

Damn press, they force the police to call Hispanics "white"! But I'm onto their tricks thanks to KT.

518 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:40:32am

re: #514 The Ghost of a Flea

I personally love the "what about black on black crime?" gambit...thrown out by people who've never showed any interest in that subject e'er before...or have addressed by prescribing that black folks need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

David Bruge (Iowahawk) has an obsession on crime in Chicago now, especially black on black or black victims.

519 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:40:49am

re: #517 Johnny Derp

You can do a search for Latino names and it's everywhere. E.g.:

[Link: offender.fdle.state.fl.us...]
[Link: offender.fdle.state.fl.us...]
[Link: offender.fdle.state.fl.us...]

Damn press, they force the police to call Hispanics "white"! But I'm onto their tricks thanks to KT.

AGITATORS!

Wait... the police?!?!?

//

520 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:41:10am

re: #513 HoosierHoops

Was it based on any real story?

521 Digital Display  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:49:16am

re: #520 Johnny Derp

Was it based on any real story?

Pure lies and smears..I haven't blogged anywhere else for years except LGF so the idea that he has proof that I go from Blog to blog dropping raciest comments is laughable.. But now that I've heard him I now know where he is coming from.

522 engineer cat  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:55:10am

Devotees Of Ghoulish Religion Celebrate Eerie Ceremony Of Dying God

women in sanctuary weeping for tammuz

523 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:57:24am

re: #521 HoosierHoops

Raciest comments wouldn't be that bad.

How you doin'?

524 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:59:33am

Wow. Caroline Glick still sends "tips" to Gates of Vienna.

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

525 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:00:59am

re: #524 Johnny Derp

Wow. Caroline Glick still sends "tips" to Gates of Vienna.

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

You know what they say about crap.

526 Digital Display  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:01:36am

re: #523 Obdicut

Raciest comments wouldn't be that bad.

How you doin'?

I'm doing great..Happy Easter to you and the Lizards.

527 Lidane  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:01:51am
528 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:04:15am

re: #525 Gus

You know what they say about crap.

Yes, all 5 volumes of sayings, but which one in particular? Birds of a feather crap together? /

529 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:05:17am

re: #528 Johnny Derp

Yes, all 5 volumes of sayings, but which one in particular? Birds of a feather crap together? /

I don't know. Let's see. Crap, it just gets harder. Crap, it's still shit. Sort of like Caroline Glick. ;)

//

530 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:08:09am

re: #527 Lidane

Missouri GOP Rep: ‘I have doubts’ about Obama’s birth certificate

I really am looking forward to a second Obama term, if only to watch the birthers silenced into irrelevance or at least consigned to the same broom closet that the "smoked, not inhaled" dipshits are occupying these days.

531 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:08:17am

Scott Walker and the Wisconsin GOP repealed a law that made it easier for people who suffered wage discrimination to seek justice. Usually, this is used by women and minorities.

[Link: themoderatevoice.com...]

532 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:09:08am

re: #531 Obdicut

Scott Walker and the Wisconsin GOP repealed a law that made it easier for people who suffered wage discrimination to seek justice. Usually, this is used by women and minorities.

[Link: themoderatevoice.com...]

June can't come fast enough.

533 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:10:45am

re: #532 Targetpractice

Semi-ironically, what it did was remove the state's obligation to try these cases in state court, forcing them to go federal. So, the state shirking its responsibility to help its citizens, laying it all on the feds, while simultaneously shit-talking them.

That's today's GOP for ya.

534 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:12:10am

O_o

Civil rights group patrolling Sanford

Florida members of the Detroit-based National Socialist Movement tells FOX35 they are patrolling the streets of Sanford.

The white rights organization says several Sanford citizens have called on them fearing their safety.

The group's commander talked with FOX35 Saturday about their presence in the now racially divided Florida town where Trayvon Martin was shot and killed by George Zimmerman.

535 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:12:16am

re: #533 Obdicut

Semi-ironically, what it did was remove the state's obligation to try these cases in state court, forcing them to go federal. So, the state shirking its responsibility to help its citizens, laying it all on the feds, while simultaneously shit-talking them.

That's today's GOP for ya.

Yeah, it's what we've come to expect, playing up "states rights" but at the same time looking for any way to throw the responsibility of those states onto the feds.

536 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:13:10am

re: #534 Gus

O_o

Civil rights group patrolling Sanford

*sound of jaw dropping, shattering*

537 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:14:08am

re: #536 Johnny Derp

*sound of jaw dropping, shattering*

All I can do is laugh sometimes.

538 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:14:23am

re: #534 Gus

O_o

Civil rights group patrolling Sanford

Been kinda wondering how long it would be before the Neo-Nazis mobilized. Can the KKK be far behind?

539 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:14:40am

re: #534 Gus

Holy shit. Fox is calling Nazis a civil rights group. Maybe they were being ironic?

I mean, what the fuck.

540 Lidane  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:15:15am

re: #534 Gus

O_o

Civil rights group patrolling Sanford

Right. That's all the Nazis are -- a civil rights group.

*sigh*

541 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:15:30am

re: #539 Obdicut

I used to think that the local Fox affiliates are saner.

542 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:15:32am

re: #539 Obdicut

Holy shit. Fox is calling Nazis a civil rights group. Maybe they were being ironic?

I mean, what the fuck.

Yep. Found it through this Tweet:

543 Big Joe  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:18:47am

re: #539 Obdicut

Holy shit. Fox is calling Nazis a civil rights group. Maybe they were being ironic?

I mean, what the fuck.

National Socialists are socialists, aka liberals, after all.
//

544 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:19:25am

National Socialist Movement? Must be another bunch of them damned liburals! No doubt down here to protect the black folks!!

545 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:19:31am

re: #541 Johnny Derp

This is totally just anecdotal evidence, but a journalist friend of mine has claimed that Fox often just farms out pre-written stories to 'reporters' to but under their byline, without the reporters being actually involved in the investigation of the story.

546 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:20:13am

re: #543 Ghost of Tom Joad

National Socialists are socialists, aka liberals, after all.
//

Jonah Goldberg headline:

LIBERAL group patrolling Sanford

547 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:21:31am

I just watched the actual news item. I hoped that the article was just an aberration, that the video exposes the neo-Nazis for what they are. But it's straight neutral reporting, without any mention of what NS means and what they actually have on their site (while the clip shows the site it never mentions the actual content).

I don't know, I have no words.

548 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:23:21am

re: #547 Johnny Derp

Oh, don't be afraid. It's just words and ideas.
/

Seriously, I hope this shit blows up. I hope Tanehisi pays attention to it, he can probably get this enough attention to make a stink.

Gah.

549 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:24:30am

re: #547 Johnny Derp

I just watched the actual news item. I hoped that the article was just an aberration, that the video exposes the neo-Nazis for what they are. But it's straight neutral reporting, without any mention of what NS means and what they actually have on their site (while the clip shows the site it never mentions the actual content).

I don't know, I have no words.

I have three letters: NBC.

550 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:25:09am

Does he look like a baron to you?

Image: baronbodissey.jpg

551 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:25:45am

re: #550 Johnny Derp

His mustache is oddly off-center.

552 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:27:30am

I just wrote to the ADL about this shit.

553 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:27:31am

re: #534 Gus

O_o

Civil rights group patrolling Sanford

Wait.
What?
The?
Fuck?

554 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:30:09am

Yes. A (white) civil rights group. Because whites need their rights protected.

555 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:31:04am

re: #554 Kronocide

Yes. A (white) civil rights group. Because whites need their rights protected.

And only certain "whites" at that.

556 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:33:33am

re: #534 Gus

O_o

Civil rights group patrolling Sanford

Why in god's name would they use the headline "civil rights group" for a neo-Nazi organization?

557 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:34:33am

re: #556 Shvaughn

My only explanation that's 'innocent' is that they're so fucking incompetent that they accepted a press release from Nazis, and then didn't bother to do a single item of research on them.

But it's probably something worse.

558 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:37:07am
So the Nazis are a civil rights group now? Really? Stay classy, Fox.

Seriously..

HOW ARE NEO-NAZIS A CIVIL RIGHTS GROUP!?!

Indeed.

It's the white version of the new black panthers. WHat's the big deal?

DERPITY DER DERP.

559 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:38:37am

re: #557 Obdicut

My only explanation that's 'innocent' is that they're so fucking incompetent that they accepted a press release from Nazis, and then didn't bother to do a single item of research on them.

But it's probably something worse.

They actually visited their site, read their 25 points.

560 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:39:52am

re: #559 Johnny Derp

They actually visited their side, read their 25 points.

Gah. What fucking fuckers.

The reporter who's byline this is under is non-white, too. Just makes no sense. What nihilism on the part of Fox.

561 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:40:28am
562 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:42:13am

re: #554 Kronocide

Yes. A (white) civil rights group. Because whites need their rights protected.

Well, everyone needs their rights protected. It's just that us white dudes aren't having any of our rights threatened at present.

And even if they were, I sure as shit would not cast my lot with any gawt-damned Nazi fuckwits. No sir.

563 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:42:40am

re: #545 Obdicut

This is totally just anecdotal evidence, but a journalist friend of mine has claimed that Fox often just farms out pre-written stories to 'reporters' to but under their byline, without the reporters being actually involved in the investigation of the story.

I was listenting to NPR a few days ago and computer programs are being studied to aggregate information and create news stories.

Brave new world.

564 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:45:42am

re: #558 Varek Raith

Hey, I found this and thought of you:

Jesus WAS NOT a Zombie!

565 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:51:46am

re: #564 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Wait. Is Varek... no, can't be...

566 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:59:00am

Hos watching the Masters? WHAT A SHOT!

567 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:06:42pm
568 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:19:58pm

When the Nazis march, they're met by counterprotesters and their hatred and evil isn't allowed to go unchallenged.

On Fox, they're given kid-gloves treatment and treated like reasonable people.

Fucking nuts. I wouldn't have believed it if someone told me four years ago this would happen.

569 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:22:31pm

re: #568 Obdicut

Present trends indicate that we're in for another four years of this wingnut bullshit, winding ever crazier.

570 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:28:31pm

re: #565 Johnny Derp

Only if you let him into your heart.

Usually by way of vivisection.

571 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 12:29:23pm

re: #564 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Hey, I found this and thought of you:

Jesus WAS NOT a Zombie!

So, Jesus was...

(whips sunglasses off)

a Lich King!

/YEEEEAAAAAHHHH

572 jhrhv  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 1:32:07pm

I can't read anymore. I made it to about comment 65 and read some of the linked pages. There is something very wrong on the right. I suspected they were more racist than many have let on. Now I'm just disgusted and have to walk away from the computer and spend some time with family.

I know it's better to know this than to be ignorant but I'm definitely remembering the saying ignorance is bliss right now.

573 bronxboy47  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 1:54:13pm

Just for the record, Mr. Derbyshire, before you start handing out 1st place awards to blacks as the most criminal and vicious race on the planet, you need to take a long, hard second look at your own race. We blacks have a lot of catching up to do. You folks have set the bar pretty damn high.

574 wrenchwench  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 2:40:32pm

re: #573 bronxboy47

Just for the record, Mr. Derbyshire, before you start handing out 1st place awards to blacks as the most criminal and vicious race on the planet, you need to take a long, hard second look at your own race. We blacks have a lot of catching up to do. You folks have set the bar pretty damn high.

Belated welcome, hatchling. (I missed your actual hatching comment.)


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