Jaw-Dropper: Fox Affiliate in Orlando Calls Neo-Nazis a ‘Civil Rights Group’

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What the hell is going on at Fox 35, the Fox News affiliate in Orlando, Florida?

Do you mean to tell me that nobody in the editorial chain for this story realized that they were not covering a “civil rights group” … but the National Socialist Movement, a neo-Nazi organization that uses a swastika for their logo?

Really? Civil Rights Group Patrolling Sanford.

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In this video of their broadcast, you can see this isn’t just a fluke headline — the anchor refers to the Nazis as a “civil rights group” by name.

“There’s another civil rights group in town: the National Socialist Movement.”

And you can also see that they went to the Nazis’ website, and must have looked directly at its swastika logo. In the whole clip there isn’t even a hint of the National Socialist Movement’s true nature, except when they interview one of the Nazis and he denies that they’re a hate group — an assertion that goes completely unchallenged.

Youtube Video

Again: what the hell is happening at this news channel, that they can’t distinguish between a “civil rights group” and an armed gang of white supremacists and neo-Nazis? Un-freaking-believable.

(h/t: Gus.)

UPDATE at 4/8/12 4:28:36 pm

Fox 35 Orlando has now deleted the page from their site, but the URL still shows the title, and the article is still showing up in their ‘Featured’ list with the “Civil Rights Group” headline.

UPDATE at 4/8/12 4:43:43 pm

Here’s the new version: White Rights Group Patrolling Sanford.

A “white rights group?” Is that supposed to be an improvement? These assholes are not speaking for my rights.

UPDATE at 4/8/12 5:23:59 pm

Yet another headline at Fox 35 finally gets it right: Neo-Nazi Group Patrolling Sanford.

UPDATE at 4/8/12 5:27:09 pm
UPDATE at 4/8/12 6:05:00 pm

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422 comments

1 researchok  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 2:53:31pm

No editors on staff today. Idiots published what amounts to a National Socialist Movement press release.

Morons.

2 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 2:53:35pm

Gus was the first to find and post it in the overnight thread. I just started spreading it around. I've sent it off to the NAACP, the ADL, Ta-Nehisi Coates.

3 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 2:55:00pm

Neo-Nazis as a "civil rights group"? They believe in "rights" alright, but certainly are not "civil" about it.

4 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 2:56:55pm

re: #3 Targetpractice


These aren't like, hidden Nazis, either. They proudly proclaim that they're the biggest Nazi organization in the US. They don't make any attempt to hide it whatsoever.

5 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 2:57:10pm

What in the fuck? You have to be fucking blind to not notice the rank racism/white supremacy that the group holds in high regards.

Either skull-fucking idiocy, or willful malice, on Fox 35's part to call neo-Nazis a "civil rights" group.

6 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 2:58:17pm

re: #2 Obdicut

Gus was the first to find and post it in the overnight thread. I just started spreading it around. I've sent it off to the NAACP, the ADL, Ta-Nehisi Coates.

Might be good to send it to the SPLC and Media Matters, too.

7 BishopX  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 2:59:12pm

It gets better, check out the end of the bio for the author:

Jennifer Bisram holds a bachelor’s degree in Media Studies and Journalism & Communications and is a member of the National Association of Black Journalists, the South Asian Journalists Association, the International Radio and Television Society Foundation, Inc. and the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists.

I'm kind of speechless.

EDIT: upon further consideration I'm not so sure she wrote the title. Within the blurb (didn't watch the video), she calls the neo-nazi's a "white rights organization" and refers to the groups leader as the "commander". which seems to be saying she had some idea of what was going on.

8 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:00:32pm

First time I heard the video. Seriously? Freaking reporting this like they're some kind of lovely "civil rights organization?" W.T.F.

9 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:00:51pm

Pull their license. They have a right to advocate National Socialism if they like, but they don't have a right to willfully deceive the public about it on the public airwaves.

10 Artist  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:01:23pm

They do know their audience...

11 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:01:37pm

re: #7 BishopX

It gets better, check out the end of the bio for the author:

I'm kind of speechless.

Not evil then, just stupid.

12 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:01:50pm

I still can't fathom the stupidity of that Fox affiliate.

13 BishopX  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:03:03pm

re: #7 BishopX

It gets better, check out the end of the bio for the author:

I'm kind of speechless.

EDIT: upon further consideration I'm not so sure she wrote the title. Within the blurb (didn't watch the video), she calls the neo-nazi's a "white rights organization" and refers to the groups leader as the "commander". which seems to be saying she had some idea of what was going on.

quoting to point out my edit....

does the video use the same language?

14 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:03:11pm

re: #12 Varek Raith

If this really is just that the Nazis put this shit together, did like a press packet and the Fox affiliate fell for it-- how bad do you have to be at your job as a journalist that you miss a goddamn swastika?

15 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:04:47pm

re: #7 BishopX

It gets better, check out the end of the bio for the author:

I'm kind of speechless.

She's real pretty.

There's a contact form on her web site, maybe we should ask her what's up with the story?

16 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:07:08pm

And then, on top of that, there's some "John Doe" dipshit in the comments section of the article, whose comments raise derpitude to a new level:

John Doe
So let me get this straight, New Black Panthers issues dead or alive statements, as well as a bounty. That's a ok. But Neo-Nazis go and patrol, not issuing any threatening statements and it's evil. God, no wonder there is racial tension.

John Doe
Same as New Black Panthers being a civil rights group, at least the Neo-Nazis aren't putting out dead or alive posters.

But he seems to be the exception, as most of the comments are from folks having their own "WTF?!" moment.

17 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:07:21pm

That video was posted at YouTube by a neo-Nazi, by the way.

18 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:08:00pm

re: #13 BishopX

quoting to point out my edit...

does the video use the same language?

In the video, it's the spokesman for that group who keeps calling themselves a "civil rights group" and I believe the reporter said something along the lines of "they call themselves a civil rights group." Sorry, didn't want to have to watch the stupidity again to get a correct quote.

edited to add: See below. I got it wrong.

19 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:10:01pm

re: #18 Sionainn

In the video, it's the spokesman for that group who keeps calling themselves a "civil rights group" and I believe the reporter said something along the lines of "they call themselves a civil rights group." Sorry, didn't want to have to watch the stupidity again to get a correct quote.

Nope - the exact quote is:

"There's another civil rights group in town: the National Socialist Movement."

20 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:10:08pm

re: #13 BishopX

quoting to point out my edit...

does the video use the same language?

The video (which features Bisram) does call them a "civil rights" organization and doesn't question their claim of not being racists.

I.e., they don't mention that they're called out by the ADL and the SPLC as a neo-Nazi hate group.

21 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:10:38pm

Florida is fucked up

22 BishopX  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:11:11pm

re: #18 Sionainn


Her facebook fan page contains a tweet from her referring to them as a white rights movement:

A white rights group now patrolling sanford ... story at 10p #fox35 #trayvonmartin

23 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:11:26pm

re: #21 windupbird is in the gravity well

Florida is fucked up

Some sections of this country really haven't moved out of an Ante Bellum mentality.

24 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:12:17pm

Bugs Bunny already solved this problem back in the 1940s.

25 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:14:00pm

Stupid balance bullshit in the news. All because the 'news' got so scared from the GOP whiners about liberal media. RIP Mike Wallace.

26 aagcobb  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:14:13pm

Well, you know, we must be "fair and balanced."/

27 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:15:01pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Nope - the exact quote is:

Crap. I just went back and listened to it. You are correct.

28 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:15:02pm

re: #25 Hoodies for Justice. T

It takes a real special kind of idiot to think that the truth normally lies somewhere in the middle, or that two sides are going to be balanced.

It takes amazing amounts of work to balance two things. Yet somehow people fool themselves into thinking with any two sides, there's some sort of balance.

29 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:16:38pm

re: #28 Obdicut

It takes a real special kind of idiot to think that the truth normally lies somewhere in the middle, or that two sides are going to be balanced.

It takes amazing amounts of work to balance two things. Yet somehow people fool themselves into thinking with any two sides, there's some sort of balance.

Especially when "one side" consists, literally, of Nazis.

30 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:17:31pm

re: #28 Obdicut

It takes a real special kind of idiot to think that the truth normally lies somewhere in the middle, or that two sides are going to be balanced.

It takes amazing amounts of work to balance two things. Yet somehow people fool themselves into thinking with any two sides, there's some sort of balance.

Oh, it's not that deep for those involved, for us analyzing yes, but they just want their profit/paycheck. And they will do whatever.

31 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:18:39pm

Here's their Tweets:

32 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:19:19pm

Meanwhile - the cretins from the stalker blog are just running wild on Twitter, harassing everyone I communicate with, all day and all night.

It's an orchestrated campaign of character assassination, and I'm not being paranoid, unfortunately - it's an observable fact. But they're so offensive and stupid, what's actually happening is that they're assassinating their own characters.

I'm trying to contact the people they harass whenever I see a reply to one of the stalker accounts, and let them know what's going on.

33 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:19:50pm

re: #28 Obdicut

It takes a real special kind of idiot to think that the truth normally lies somewhere in the middle, or that two sides are going to be balanced.

It takes amazing amounts of work to balance two things. Yet somehow people fool themselves into thinking with any two sides, there's some sort of balance.

It's also a fallacy of the American media/sales culture that there are 'two sides'. It's a natural extension of the strange, binary political system that exists here, but all the rubbish about 'both sides' in the past decade or so has been entirely a media creation.

It's pretty obvious that on virtually all issues, there's way more than two sides or points of view. Yet in the interest of selling a more easily controlled narrative, it's made out to be about 'two sides'. And people swallow it. Even here, on the most reality-based forum on the internet, people still sometimes refer to 'both sides', 'moonbats vs wingnuts' and other fallacies.

34 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:20:19pm

re: #31 Gus

What's so hard about calling Nazis Nazis?

I mean, shit, there's plenty of asshole white supremacists out there who, while scumbags, aren't as bad as Nazis.

35 Mocking Jay  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:21:15pm

I can't figure out how to Godwin this one.

:(

36 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:22:41pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile - the cretins from the stalker blog are just running wild on Twitter, harassing everyone I communicate with, all day and all night.

Because you're that irrelevant!

37 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:23:50pm

re: #31 Gus

Here's their Tweets:

"White rights group" is a little closer to the truth, but still so far off the mark that it's not even in the same zip code. The Neo-Nazis, as with their predecessors, are every bit a group that believes only whites and then only certain whites are even human, much less that they are entitled to any rights. And feel that those rights are actually endangered by those they consider "subhuman" existing in civilized society.

38 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:24:10pm

re: #34 Obdicut

What's so hard about calling Nazis Nazis?

I mean, shit, there's plenty of asshole white supremacists out there who, while scumbags, aren't as bad as Nazis.

My first inclination is to suspect high incompetence and laziness.

39 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:25:27pm

re: #36 Shvaughn

Because you're that irrelevant!

Amplifying the signal. That's the funny thing about this sort of internet goonery, it doesn't lessen the signal, it increases it. Stalker-as-amplifier, lol

Being on the internet is sadly not the same as understanding how it works

40 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:25:54pm

re: #38 Gus

My first inclination is to suspect high incompetence and laziness.

Considering the day and how short the story is, I'm guessing this was something simply slapped together last night, if not on Friday.

41 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:26:02pm

re: #35 Altar Boy of Darwinism

I can't figure out how to Godwin this one.

:(

Godwin's law has been repealed and replaced by Goddamn's Law. This is derived from the eponymous words being repeated in the same tone normally sued for for WTF!!?

42 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:26:25pm

"White people don't have many spokespeople."

Uh huh.

43 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:27:08pm

re: #40 Targetpractice

Considering the day and how short the story is, I'm guessing this was something simply slapped together last night, if not on Friday.

Office worker effect? "Ink don't think."

44 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:27:43pm
45 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:27:47pm
46 Mocking Jay  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:28:10pm

re: #42 jaunte

"White people don't have many spokespeople."

Uh huh.

I can haz a voice jus' fer me?

47 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:28:57pm

But of course they had their website up. Is that freaking swastika not obvious to them? Do they know what the damn thing represents here?

48 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:29:09pm

re: #42 jaunte

"White people don't have many spokespeople."

Uh huh.

Yeah, that's one of those statements that causes any instant BSOD in the heads of anybody but the truly deranged and hateful. There's a reason whites in this nation don't have "spokespeople," and it's because this nation only got its shit together after a very bloody civil war and then another century of legalized apartheid.

49 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:29:34pm

And some of my co-workers wonder why I watch PBS. Watching America's Test Kitchen is far better than what passes for news/information today.

50 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:29:48pm

re: #47 Gus

They got confused because they heard that Northern Indians are Aryan and that the Hindus use the swastika as a decoration.

/

51 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:29:52pm

re: #45 windupbird is in the gravity well

Soviet republicans eliminate democracy in Michigan

happy easter, fight the pigs

But it's from Rachel Maddow. And we've been sagely told what she does is not real journalism, but irrelevant tribalism. Ignore. /

52 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:29:52pm

re: #47 Gus

But of course they had their website up. Is that freaking swastika not obvious to them? Do they know what the damn thing represents here?

Of course...it's a Tibetan good luck symbol.

///

53 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:30:44pm

re: #47 Gus

But of course they had their website up. Is that freaking swastika not obvious to them? Do they know what the damn thing represents here?

treat modern television news as just another pollutant, toxic waste for dumb americans

54 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:31:12pm

By the way, I noticed a few days when I posted the first report of these Nazis going to Florida, several right wing blogs immediately posted mocking denials, saying it was a made-up story by that insane traitor Chuckles Johnson, who sees Nazis under his bed.

55 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:31:17pm

re: #51 Johnny Derp

But it's from Rachel Maddow. And we've been sagely told what she does is not real journalism, but irrelevant tribalism. Ignore. /

Well, she is a lesbian, and we can't trust those


not in God Jesus's 9/11 salutingAmericatroopsmompie!

56 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:31:20pm
57 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:33:30pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

By the way, I noticed a few days when I posted the first report of these Nazis going to Florida, several right wing blogs immediately posted mocking denials, saying it was a made-up story by that insane traitor Chuckles Johnson, who sees Nazis under his bed.

Oh yeah, that was wide. Deniers.

58 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:33:41pm

re: #42 jaunte

"White people don't have many spokespeople."

Uh huh.

I nominate Edgar Winter.

59 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:35:01pm
60 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:35:42pm
61 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:35:45pm

re: #59 Gus

Heh. Well, it actually is Sniper Scouts, but boy, was that a dumb tradition.

62 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:36:19pm

re: #60 jaunte

Good thinking.

63 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:37:06pm

Hey, jaunte - Charles Blow just retweeted you on this article! Thanks.

64 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:37:07pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

I nominate Edgar Winter.

I'd nominate Dick Winters, a man who knew a thing or two about fighting Nazis, but he's gone now.

65 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:37:48pm
66 Lidane  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:37:55pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

Who knew that proving a blog's irrelevance required so much effort?

Heh.

67 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:38:52pm

re: #66 Lidane

Who knew that proving a blog's irrelevance required so much effort?

Heh.

blogwarrrrzzzzzzzz

68 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:40:11pm

I think this is an interesting window in modern journalistic ethics. Most news outlets had the common sense to report them as neo-NAzis but the segment producer (I'm not sure if the newsreader is doing her own reporting here, I think she was just reading the script) just repeated the talking points he was given from the group. It's common in reporting to avoid angering their viewers. Republican spokesman says "x" while Democrats say "y". Avoiding critical fact checking means both dems and Reps will be equally happy (or unhappy) with the coverage and avoids the appearance of bias from the reporter.
This just took the stupid and lazy "fair reporting" ethic to an absurd level.

69 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:42:38pm

re: #68 Killgore Trout

Seeking the false middle-- engaging with the idiotic belief that the truth lies somewhere in the middle-- isn't about not angering people, I don't think. Plenty of people are still angry at that sort of blank, non-critical reporting. So that's an insufficient explanation.

70 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:42:44pm

re: #68 Killgore Trout

The case is notable exactly because it's so absurd. Unlike with more mainstream folks, nobody cares about the neo-Nazi hurt feelings. So it is what you say, but it's also more. Like, some sort of an unfathomable ignorance. (I won't ascribe any evil motives since there's no evidence of such at this moment.)

71 funky chicken  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:45:08pm

re: #68 Killgore Trout

It would be really funny if it was The Onion. It's a different kind of funny since it's not.

72 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:47:43pm
73 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:47:47pm

re: #70 Johnny Derp

The case is notable exactly because it's so absurd. Unlike with more mainstream folks, nobody cares about the neo-Nazi hurt feelings. So it is what you say, but it's also more. Like, some sort of an unfathomable ignorance. (I won't ascribe any evil motives since there's no evidence of such at this moment.)

It is interesting to see such an extreme example. Whoever put this story together just blindly followed the formula and shut off all critical thinking in the process. Maybe the regular staff is off for the holiday weekend and these are second stringers. But even then you'd think somebody in the news room would have said something. Every other outlet has been reporting them as Nazis all week so the Fox affiliate surely knew but made a conscious choice to not report it. Amazing.

74 Bob Dillon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:47:51pm

re: #1 researchok

No editors on staff today. Idiots published what amounts to a National Socialist Movement press release.

Morons.

Ah. Its just political correctness. Kind of like "man made disaster".

/

75 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:54:21pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Mystery wrapped in enigma. Well, the official response will soon arrive.

76 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:54:21pm

There is a lot of soft reporting on nativist groups in general, especially at Fox. Outright white power places often get the focus on their 'border control' aspects rather than their racist ideologies.

This is an extreme example, but in general, the media slants reporting on groups like this to soften it. I don't think it's about not angering people, I think it's just about the fallacy of objectivity that gets pushed, that the media should have some 'objective' way of reporting on Nazis, on racists, on people who want women who were raped to give birth even if the pregnancy threatens their lives.

77 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:55:19pm

re: #76 Obdicut

There is a lot of soft reporting on nativist groups in general, especially at Fox. Outright white power places often get the focus on their 'border control' aspects rather than their racist ideologies.

This is an extreme example, but in general, the media slants reporting on groups like this to soften it. I don't think it's about not angering people, I think it's just about the fallacy of objectivity that gets pushed, that the media should have some 'objective' way of reporting on Nazis, on racists, on people who want women who were raped to give birth even if the pregnancy threatens their lives.

But super-objective way of reporting this would be "however groups like SPLC and ADL say...". Wiki-like "reliable sources".

78 Lidane  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:56:07pm

re: #72 Shvaughn

Fish in a barrel time: the Fox News comments on the arrest of the Tulsa shooters are what you'd expect

More fish in barrels: Free Republic thread on Derbyshire's article

I love how posters there are saying that FR doesn't support racism while also heaping praise on The Bell Curve and pulling out all the same tired, old, white supremacist talking points.

79 Mich-again  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:56:25pm

So Sanford, Florida just allows armed paramilitary groups to patrol the streets looking for trouble, and when they find it, they can shoot to kill and hide behind Stand Your Ground laws. I don't know, for some reason, that just seems like its inviting trouble. With all the armed neighborhood watchmen and Neo-Nazis, what could go wrong?

As for their ties to Detroit, I have never heard of them operating around here. They must keep it real low key in these parts.

80 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:56:37pm

re: #77 Johnny Derp

But super-objective way of reporting this would be "however groups like SPLC and ADL say...". Wiki-like "reliable sources".

Good point. This isn't even about being objective, or presenting 'two sides'.

81 dragonfire1981  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:56:37pm

re: #72 Shvaughn

Fish in a barrel time: the Fox News comments on the arrest of the Tulsa shooters are what you'd expect

I'm not sure if anyone linked to it here earlier, but I am reasonably certain that this is the Facebook page of one of the shooters. His name matches, he's from Oklahoma, and his profile picture looks an awful lot like the mugshot I saw earlier.

Check out his wall posts. They are...interesting.

82 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:57:43pm

re: #75 Johnny Derp

Mystery wrapped in enigma. Well, the official response will soon arrive.

I predict they'll fire the producer and the reporter will give an on air apology to make the bad publicity go away. Then they'll just go back to the same vapid reporting like nothing ever happened.

83 dragonfire1981  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:57:46pm

So let me get this straight:

Pam Geller is a "human rights activist"
The National Socialist Movement is a "civil rights organization"
Fox News is "Fair and Balanced"

Orwell would be proud.

84 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:58:03pm

re: #81 dragonfire1981

Yes, pages of both shooters were linked at the overnight thread.

85 dragonfire1981  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:58:13pm

re: #82 Killgore Trout

Not necessarily, this IS a Fox Station we are talking about here.

86 funky chicken  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:58:47pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Nope - the exact quote is:

"There's another civil rights group in town: the National Socialist Movement."

I couldn't have said that without snickering, at the very least. Is it possible the anchorette is really so stupid she doesn't know what the National Socialists are? Maybe she pissed off some poor copy editor or something one too many times.

87 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 3:59:15pm

re: #70 Johnny Derp

Like, some sort of an unfathomable ignorance.

"Unfathomable ignorance" is a good way to put it. I'm not getting the feeling that they deliberately white-washed neo-Nazis here.

But damn. There's no facepalm massive enough for this one.

88 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:01:14pm

BTW, I found this post with a transcript of the video for those of you who can't see it.

The blank looks from Jennifer at the end are amusing except I know they're just accidental.

89 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:01:48pm

And by the way, I've been waiting for more info on the shootings in Tulsa before jumping into it, but today it really is starting to look like a hate crime targeted at African Americans: Tulsa Shootings Possibly Connected to Murder of Suspect's Father.

Police are examining whether the shootings might be a hate crime, as England, 19, had posted racially charged comments on his Facebook page about the two-year anniversary of his father's death, the Tulsa World reported.

England wrote: "Today is two years that my dad has been gone shot by a f------ n----- it's hard not to go off between that and sheran I'm gone in the head."

Sheran Hart Wilde, his girlfriend, died earlier this year.

90 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:02:04pm

re: #86 funky chicken

I couldn't have said that without snickering, at the very least. Is it possible the anchorette is really so stupid she doesn't know what the National Socialists are? Maybe she pissed off some poor copy editor or something one too many times.

Go out on the street and ask the first 10 people you run into who the "National Socialist German Workers' Party" were. Most will likely give you a blank look.

91 Mich-again  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:02:45pm

So the right wingers finally found some socialists they can agree with.

92 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:02:57pm

re: #90 Targetpractice

But show them a website with a swastika, they'll probably clue in.

93 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:03:04pm

re: #88 Shvaughn

BTW, I found this post with a transcript of the video for those of you who can't see it.

The blank looks from Jennifer at the end are amusing except I know they're just accidental.

She's like "I can't believe nobody said they're Nazis. Maybe I should?" //

94 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:03:06pm

re: #80 Obdicut

They could have said something like: "although the National Socialists driving around Sanford complain of white people not having enough spokespeople, the proportion of those who characterize their race as “white” in the Congress is actually greater than in the country."

95 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:03:53pm

re: #81 dragonfire1981

Check out his wall posts. They are...interesting.

Yeah, he got unengaged last year and he's not a big Obama fan...

96 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:04:09pm

I suspect these folks really did not notice the swastika. And really thought that this was a Socialist Movement that happens to be National.

97 elizajane  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:04:58pm

Well, that was quick. The page seems to have disappeared and now a very brief article states that a "White Rights Group" is patrolling the neighborhood.

[Link: www.myfoxorlando.com...]

I really hope that somebody is going to be fired just for sheer stupidity on this one. On the other hand, if they fired people at Fox for stupidity the newsroom would be empty.

98 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:05:21pm

This clip could be a part of the movie Idiocracy.

99 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:05:57pm

Save the video.

100 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:06:12pm

re: #97 elizajane

Someone woke up-- but just a little. They're Nazis. They say they're Nazis. They're proud of being Nazis. Call them fucking Nazis.

101 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:06:18pm

re: #97 elizajane

It was as brief before. So they basically changed "civil" to "white".

102 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:06:18pm

re: #92 Obdicut

But show them a website with a swastika, they'll probably clue in.

Exactly. In America, you're pretty much trained since birth to recognize the swastika and automatically associate it with the Nazis. But few kids these days hear about the origins of the Nazi Party, because their history books mostly focus on the American side of the Great Depression, right up until Pearl Harbor.

103 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:06:18pm

re: #97 elizajane

Well, that was quick. The page seems to have disappeared and now a very brief article states that a "White Rights Group" is patrolling the neighborhood.

[Link: www.myfoxorlando.com...]

I really hope that somebody is going to be fired just for sheer stupidity on this one. On the other hand, if they fired people at Fox for stupidity...

Charles M. Blow from the New York Times retweeted it. You can bet that got their attention.

104 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:06:58pm

An excellent Masters. Excellent

105 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:07:04pm

re: #97 elizajane

On the other hand, if they fired people at Fox for stupidity...there would be no Fox Network.

106 Mocking Jay  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:07:17pm

re: #96 Johnny Derp

I suspect these folks really did not notice the swastika. And really thought that this was a Socialist Movement that happens to be National.

Faith in humanity...dwindling...

107 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:08:47pm

re: #97 elizajane

Well, that was quick. The page seems to have disappeared and now a very brief article states that a "White Rights Group" is patrolling the neighborhood.

[Link: www.myfoxorlando.com...]

I really hope that somebody is going to be fired just for sheer stupidity on this one. On the other hand, if they fired people at Fox for stupidity...

And like I said above, characterizing the Neo-Nazis as a "white rights group" is like characterizing the Klan as a "white social club."

108 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:08:51pm

re: #104 Hoodies for Justice. T

Who won the green jacket?

109 Irving  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:09:18pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

And by the way, I've been waiting for more info on the shootings in Tulsa before jumping into it, but today it really is starting to look like a hate crime targeted at African Americans: Tulsa Shootings Possibly Connected to Murder of Suspect's Father.

I really want to hear about the older shooter. England sounds like a young man in a whole lot of pain; someone channeled that pain in a really nasty direction.

110 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:10:24pm

re: #81 dragonfire1981

I'm not sure if anyone linked to it here earlier, but I am reasonably certain that this is the Facebook page of one of the shooters. His name matches, he's from Oklahoma, and his profile picture looks an awful lot like the mugshot I saw earlier.

Check out his wall posts. They are...interesting.

It is his FB page. Someone pulled Jake England's FB earlier today. They were "friends" on FB.

111 Digital Display  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:10:38pm

re: #108 PhillyPretzel

Who won the green jacket?

It's in overtime!

112 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:11:06pm

re: #106 Altar Boy of Darwinism

Faith in humanity...dwindling...

113 Michael McBacon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:11:07pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

"Unfathomable ignorance" is a good way to put it. I'm not getting the feeling that they deliberately white-washed neo-Nazis here.

But damn. There's no facepalm masive enough for this one.

Die Volkspalmenslappen.

114 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:11:15pm

re: #108 PhillyPretzel

Who won the green jacket?

Tied. 3 hole playoff. Bubba vs Louis - who made a double eagle today. Really, this is a good one.

115 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:11:59pm

re: #109 Irving

I really want to hear about the older shooter. England sounds like a young man in a whole lot of pain; someone channeled that pain in a really nasty direction.

The older guy wrote on the younger one's fb that they were together each day studying the bible and stuff.

116 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:12:02pm

re: #111 HoosierHoops

re: #114 Hoodies for Justice. T

Thanks.

117 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:15:13pm

re: #97 elizajane

Well, that was quick. The page seems to have disappeared and now a very brief article states that a "White Rights Group" is patrolling the neighborhood.

[Link: www.myfoxorlando.com...]

I really hope that somebody is going to be fired just for sheer stupidity on this one. On the other hand, if they fired people at Fox for stupidity the newsroom would be empty.

To the right, where it says "Hot on the Web Today," there's still the story "Civil rights group patrolling Sanford." However, clicking on that link shows that they removed the story itself. Too dumb to remove the headline it appears.

118 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:15:21pm

Or "massive" enough, either.

119 Mocking Jay  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:17:35pm

re: #115 Johnny Derp

The older guy wrote on the younger one's fb that they were together each day studying the bible and stuff.

I guessed they skimmed over that "no killing" part. People miss it all the time...

120 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:18:11pm

re: #115 Johnny Derp

The older guy wrote on the younger one's fb that they were together each day studying the bible and stuff.

Must have been the Pulp Fiction version.

121 abolitionist  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:19:32pm

Someone ought to ask Jennifer Bisram if she knows when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

I suspect she's clueless.

122 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:20:36pm

Still in google cache (for a while):

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

123 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:20:59pm

re: #121 abolitionist

Someone ought to ask Jennifer Bisram if she knows when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

I suspect she's clueless.

"Germans?"

124 Mocking Jay  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:21:42pm

re: #121 abolitionist

Someone ought to ask Jennifer Bisram if she knows when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

I suspect she's clueless.

9/11. Duh.

125 A Mom Anon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:22:51pm

It looks like I picked a wonderful time to be mostly offline and put in a new garden. I've lost most of my faith in humanity at this point. All the veggies I just planted have a collective intelligence level higher than the average neo-Nazi or Fox reporter, apparently. It would be really freaking nice if the morons who want to break everything loved their country more than they hated everyone else.

126 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:23:33pm

re: #124 Altar Boy of Darwinism

9/11. Duh.

Islamics bombed Pirl Harber? I knew.//

127 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:24:32pm

re: #126 Johnny Derp

Islamics bombed Pirl Harber? I knew.//

Pirl should'na been there. it's her own dam fault.

128 Ming  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:25:42pm

Today, I saw part of a Ron Paul speech excerpted on CNN, and some on-air discussion about it, without a hint about Dr. Paul's inexcusable associations with white supremacists.

This, and the "white civil rights organization" Fox News story, is what happens when we don't have universal condemnation of Ron Paul's links to white supremacists, Pat Buchanan's racist rhetoric, Louis Farrakhan's anti-Semitic ravings, etc. It's essential that large majorities in both parties come out and say it, as often as necessary: explicit haters, especially Nazis and white supremacists, are beyond the pale, third-rail, radioactive. If these haters aren't strongly rejected by large majorities in both parties, there will be people (like that Fox News "journalist") who see them as "just the other side of the controversy".

129 Mocking Jay  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:25:42pm

re: #126 Johnny Derp

Islamics bombed Pirl Harber? I knew.//

Would never have happened if Pres. Carter hadn't let his guard down...

131 aagcobb  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:26:17pm

re: #123 Targetpractice

"Germans?"

"Forget it, he's rolling"

132 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:27:04pm

re: #128 Ming

Plus Limbaugh.

133 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:28:07pm

Fox Orlando might have changed the headline, but their 'news report' is still just a pr piece for the National Socialists.

Florida members of the Detroit-based National Socialist Movement tells FOX35 they are patrolling the streets of Sanford.

The white rights organization says several Sanford citizens have called on them* fearing their safety.

*Not verified by anyone other than the neo-nazis.

134 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:29:59pm

"Sanford citizens have called on them"

What is this, a fairy tale? Shining white knights in shining white armors?

135 Lidane  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:30:00pm

re: #91 Mich-again

So the right wingers finally found some socialists they can agree with.

Which is hilarious, considering their love for the Doughy Pantload and his idiot meme that Nazis and Fascists are liberals.

136 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:30:43pm

re: #134 Johnny Derp

Yeah, they wanted to stay away, but you know, popular demand.

137 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:31:07pm

"Oh come, the noble Knights of the Round Clan and save us from the dark menace!"

138 Mocking Jay  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:31:15pm

re: #133 jaunte

Fox Orlando might have changed the headline, but their 'news report' is still just a pr piece for the National Socialists.

*Not verified by anyone other than the neo-nazis.

I'm picturing the terrified citizens of Sanford flipping the switch on a Bat-signal that projects a swastika on the clouds.

139 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:33:00pm

re: #137 Johnny Derp

As previously performed in D. W. Griffith's "Birth of a Nation."

140 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:33:13pm

re: #138 Altar Boy of Darwinism

I'm picturing the terrified citizens of Sanford flipping the switch on a Bat-signal that projects a swastika on the clouds.

"Damn Cartman!"

141 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:33:38pm

A Republican state rep from Wasilla, Alaska is bashing the Girl Scouts because he read on the internet that they're tied to Planned Parenthood. He held up a vote honoring them and claimed he's "just asking questions."

142 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:34:32pm

Image: shaef.jpg

I prefer this to be flashed as the "bat-signal." It has a certain panache. /

143 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:35:09pm

re: #142 PhillyPretzel

Image: shaef.jpg

I prefer this to be flashed as the "bat-signal." It has a certain panache. /

"Give up, bad guys, or this will go up yer asses."

144 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:35:34pm

Bubba from Georgia. Beeautiful!

145 aagcobb  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:36:57pm

re: #141 Shvaughn

A Republican state rep from Wasilla, Alaska is bashing the Girl Scouts because he read on the internet that they're tied to Planned Parenthood. He held up a vote honoring them and claimed he's "just asking questions."

Yea, all the money from girl scout cookie sales is used to pay for abortions, cause that's just how they roll./

146 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:38:04pm

via DailyKos:

"1959: Mike Wallace exposes Ayn Rand as out to destroy American way of life"

147 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:38:34pm

re: #146 Johnny Derp

via DailyKos:

[Embedded content] "1959: Mike Wallace exposes Ayn Rand as out to destroy American way of life"

Hey. Can she be excommunicated? ;)

148 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:38:49pm

Whoa, the twitter counter is raging on this.

149 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:39:32pm

Twitter stats page: [Link: bitly.com...]

150 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:39:55pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

Whoa, the twitter counter is raging on this.

Wow. Just saw 1,839.

151 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:44:12pm

re: #134 Johnny Derp

Sanford has a flamboyantly racist history.

152 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:46:38pm

The Charles Blow link probably got a lot of attention.

153 Mich-again  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:49:53pm

The headline at the local Fox website was just updated to call them Neo-Nazis.

154 freetoken  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:50:01pm

re: #150 Gus

Twitter twitter little star...


re: #152 Charles Johnson

Probably, but it looks like the peak retweets came some time after his.

155 funky chicken  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:50:05pm

re: #96 Johnny Derp

I suspect these folks really did not notice the swastika. And really thought that this was a Socialist Movement that happens to be National.

I agree. It's why I can't stop laughing about it, even though it makes me feel really guilty for some reason.

156 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:51:09pm

re: #153 Mich-again

The headline at the local Fox website was just updated to call them Neo-Nazis.

Until they redo that dumb story they're just papering it over.

157 Mich-again  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:51:41pm

re: #156 jaunte

The video clip is still there for now..

158 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:51:50pm

Mississippi is on its way to becoming an abortion-free state.

There's only one abortion provider in the state, and the Republicans are passing laws to drive them out of business.

159 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:55:36pm

re: #120 jaunte

Must have been the Pulp Fiction version.

The Christian Identity Bible is actually a possibility.

160 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:56:18pm

Any military wonks here? Someone on SA made a point about the F-35, and don't know if he has a correct point:

AAAAAUGH! I forgot how terrible those F-35s are and here you go reminding me! America tends to need those twin engine planes as well since all of our fighting goes on overseas. Literally, over oceans. On account of we're primarily a maritime power because of our isolation and friendly neighbors. And yet the Navy is supposed to use this single-engine piece of crap!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAUGH!

161 freetoken  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:56:21pm

re: #158 Shvaughn

Which brings me to a topic that is somewhat off-topic, but it looks like the GOP higher ups have told all operatives to do a counter-strike against the two memes of (1) Republican War on Women, and (2) Republican War on Science.

Your news from MS is an example of why the first effort will probably not work and the GOP officials will fail to hide the obvious.

Regarding the second effort, there seems to be a little progress. Example - the latest Blogginheads episode with Matt Lewis, in which he claims such a war on science doesn't exist:
[Link: bloggingheads.tv...]

Matt is usually one of the more reasonable or at least amenable "conservatives" blogging, but he's doing some fancy footwork here to avoid the obvious. And, Bill Scher didn't seem to interested in bringing in much evidence to counter Matt.

162 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 4:57:59pm

Also, very good Political Cartoon:

Image: 15RfL.jpg

163 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:00:25pm

re: #160 ProGunLiberal

Any military wonks here? Someone on SA made a point about the F-35, and don't know if he has a correct point:

Well, he's correct that it's partially due to the F-35 being single-engine that the Navy hasn't been so hot on it. But the bigger factor has been that the F-35's chief selling point has been stealth, which the Navy feels is of less importance for an aircraft that's supposed to be replacing older model Hornets as bomb trucks.

164 ThomasLite  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:00:42pm

re: #160 ProGunLiberal

well, single-engine or twin engine does not make for a fundamental difference in fighting capabilities of military jets, afaik, so I'd say that's not much of a point.
also, many critics of the F-35 tout the F-16 as the prime example of a good multi-role military jet - as I recall that one's sorely lacking in the second-engine-department as well.
edit and I guess #165 invalidates my point.
oh well, something new to learn: what would make a dual-engine plane so much better for the navy?

165 Mocking Jay  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:01:12pm

re: #160 ProGunLiberal

Any military wonks here? Someone on SA made a point about the F-35, and don't know if he has a correct point:

That's why the Navy picked the Hornet over the Falcon. Two engines. I guess they forgot about all that...

166 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:03:49pm

re: #164 ThomasLite

well, single-engine or twin engine does not make for a fundamental difference in fighting capabilities of military jets, afaik, so I'd say that's not much of a point.
also, many critics of the F-35 tout the F-16 as the prime example of a good multi-role military jet - as I recall that one's sorely lacking in the second-engine-department as well.

It's not about performance, it's about reliability. If that single F-135 fails, the pilot's ending up in one of two places: Bobbing in the sea until a rescue bird can haul him out or in enemy hands if he bails out over land.

167 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:03:56pm

OK. They finally put the new title up: Neo-Nazi group patrolling Sanford

168 Lidane  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:06:42pm

re: #167 Gus

OK. They finally put the new title up: Neo-Nazi group patrolling Sanford

Gee. Where have I seen a headline mentioning that these guys are Neo-Nazi assholes? Oh, right. It was mentioned days ago. Way to stay current, Fox.

169 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:06:58pm

re: #167 Gus

OK. They finally put the new title up: Neo-Nazi group patrolling Sanford

How one can look directly at a Swastika and not know what it means is beyond me. It's like looking at a hammer & sickle and calling it a union symbol.

170 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:08:25pm

re: #167 Gus

Florida members of the Detroit-based National Socialist Movement tell FOX35 they are patrolling the streets of Sanford.

The National Socialist Movement says several Sanford citizens have called on them fearing their safety.

[We at Fox have done nothing to confirm the truth of their statement, but pass it on to you in the guise of "news"]

The group's commander talked with FOX35 Saturday about their presence in the now racially divided Florida town where Trayvon Martin was shot and killed by George Zimmerman.

171 freetoken  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:08:59pm

BTW, Townhall is still prominently pushing Doug Giles latest column Blacks Can Murder Whites, and It Won’t Make National News. It's up to 1400+ comments now, with many of them delving into usual internet idiocy.

Salem Communications is really working the white-victimization angle. Gone are the days, I guess, when they would bury Pat Buchanan's columns (which they always carried but rarely used to put on the front page.)

172 ThomasLite  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:09:05pm

re: #166 Targetpractice

hmm, how often does an aircraft get sufficiently damaged to take out an engine, but leave it controllable enough to safely touch down on a carrier? I get the point, though.

173 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:09:26pm

re: #165 Altar Boy of Darwinism

Just cancel that boondoggle and start talking to Sweden for the Gripen NG for ground based aircraft, and France for the Rafale.

We can buy the rights to build them in the US. F-35 is becoming so bloated and useless.

174 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:12:31pm

Something Awful just taught me something. Scalia said this:

Jack Bauer saved Los Angeles... He saved hundreds of thousands of lives. Are you going to convict Jack Bauer?

How is this dipshit on the Supreme Court bench?

175 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:13:07pm

re: #165 Altar Boy of Darwinism

That's why the Navy picked the Hornet over the Falcon. Two engines. I guess they forgot about all that...

The Falcon was never part of the VFX contest, and came on line four years after the F 14.

176 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:13:13pm

re: #172 ThomasLite

hmm, how often does an aircraft get sufficiently damaged to take out an engine, but leave it controllable enough to safely touch down on a carrier? I get the point, though.

If much of anything gets into the compressor blades, the turbines tear themselves up.

177 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:13:26pm

re: #174 ProGunLiberal

Something Awful just taught me something. Scalia said this:

How is this dipshit on the Supreme Court bench?

Look at it this way: At least he's actually talking during hearings. You could have replaced Thomas with a wax dummy during the ACA hearing and nobody would have noticed until he started melting.

178 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:15:12pm

re: #177 Targetpractice

And Thomas' wife is related to the Tea Party, and is employed by them, and connected to these lawsuits.

Thomas really should be impeached for stunning amounts of Corruption. Not sure what to do with Scalia.

179 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:17:18pm

re: #169 Mostly sane, most of the time.

How one can look directly at a Swastika and not know what it means is beyond me. It's like looking at a hammer & sickle and calling it a union symbol.

"Man, I thought those were just 4 L's in a circle..."

180 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:17:29pm

re: #175 goddamnedfrank

The Falcon was never part of the VFX contest, and came on line four years after the F 14.

But it was part of the ACF contest, of which the Navy was ordered after it finished to adopt one of the two prototypes as a new light fighter to compliment the F-14. The Navy didn't trust the YF-16's single-engine and narrow undercarriage design to be easily adapted to naval operations, so they went with the YF-17.

181 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:19:32pm

re: #180 Targetpractice

Also, the F-16 has an under-intake design. Similar to the X-32, which had a certain nickname, if anyone was around then.

182 ThomasLite  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:19:37pm

re: #176 Decatur Deb

If much of anything gets into the compressor blades, the turbines tear themselves up.

I know, but does that realistically ever happen in flight?
did some googleing on single/dual engines for navy planes, and (emergency) landings with them, and found this: [Link: tailspinstales.blogspot.com...] well written, thought I'd share.

183 dragonfire1981  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:22:23pm

re: #171 freetoken

BTW, Townhall is still prominently pushing Doug Giles latest column Blacks Can Murder Whites, and It Won’t Make National News. It's up to 1400+ comments now, with many of them delving into usual internet idiocy.

Salem Communications is really working the white-victimization angle. Gone are the days, I guess, when they would bury Pat Buchanan's columns (which they always carried but rarely used to put on the front page.)

Hell, Trayvon Martin's death wouldn't have made national news had it not been for the CIRCUMSTANCES of his death. Contrary to what the right wants us to believe, the Martin case is NOT about skin color, it's about the legality of the actions of one man that led to the death of a teenager.

If Zimmerman had been black, but everything else about the case stayed the same, there would still be something seriously fishy about it.

A senseless death is senseless period.

184 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:22:57pm

re: #182 ThomasLite

I know, but does that realistically ever happen in flight?
did some googleing on single/dual engines for navy planes, and (emergency) landings with them, and found this: [Link: tailspinstales.blogspot.com...] well written, thought I'd share.

Bird strikes are a very real training problem, but in combat, missile and flak frags as well as direct fire will do it.

185 Mocking Jay  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:24:23pm

re: #175 goddamnedfrank

The Falcon was never part of the VFX contest, and came on line four years after the F 14.

Confusing Hornets and Tomcats now?

186 dragonfire1981  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:24:25pm

I wonder what Dan Riehl has to say about this...

187 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:24:27pm

re: #180 Targetpractice

But it was part of the ACF contest, of which the Navy was ordered after it finished to adopt one of the two prototypes as a new light fighter to compliment the F-14. The Navy didn't trust the YF-16's single-engine and narrow undercarriage design to be easily adapted to naval operations, so they went with the YF-17.

Which became the F/A-18...

188 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:25:04pm

re: #185 Altar Boy of Darwinism

Confusing Hornets and Tomcats now?

Rhinos.
;)

189 dragonfire1981  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:26:32pm

Damn Charles, this XCitizen10 guy is really going at you hard on Twitter. Is it one of the stalkers or perhaps a Breitbrat?

190 dragonfire1981  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:28:08pm

Also, OT but a friend of mine mentioned this movie "God Bless America" the other day so I went to check out the trailer. It's certainly...interesting:

191 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:28:57pm

re: #189 dragonfire1981

Damn Charles, this XCitizen10 guy is really going at you hard on Twitter. Is it one of the stalkers or perhaps a Breitbrat?

Dude's a psycho.

192 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:29:21pm

re: #187 talon_262

Bingo!

We really need stop trying to build the "Jack of All Trades" aircraft. When we consciously try to make aircraft like that, they do not work.

193 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:30:51pm

re: #189 dragonfire1981

I don't see any of it. All those people are in TweetDeck's global filter, which completely eliminates them from all my timelines.

194 ThomasLite  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:32:36pm

re: #184 Decatur Deb

thanks.

more on-topic: I just took a screenshot of their "hot on the web today" frame. this story seems to be sizzlin'
[Link: tinypic.com...]

195 dragonfire1981  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:36:39pm

re: #193 Charles Johnson

I don't see any of it. All those people are in TweetDeck's global filter, which completely eliminates them from all my timelines.

Ahhhh, very smart move. I was wondering how you handled the endless avalanche of stupidity.

Now I know.

196 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:38:59pm

re: #195 dragonfire1981

It's one of the main reasons I use TweetDeck as my Twitter client on my desktop machine. There are some iPhone/iPad apps that have similar features.

197 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:39:39pm

Think Progress has picked up the story:
Fox Orlando Affiliate Calls Neo-Nazis ‘A Civil Rights Group’
Watch it (via Little Green Footballs):

198 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:40:57pm
"NSM says only heterosexual “pure-blood whites” should be allowed U.S. citizenship and that all nonwhites should be deported, regardless of legal status. As Schoep put it: “The Constitution was written by white men alone. Therefore, it was intended for whites alone.”

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

199 wrenchwench  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:41:04pm

re: #191 Gus

Dude's a psycho.

Its followers and followees would have no identity at all if it weren't for their LGF hate.

200 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:42:13pm

re: #197 jaunte

Think Progress has picked up the story:
Fox Orlando Affiliate Calls Neo-Nazis ‘A Civil Rights Group’
Watch it (via Little Green Footballs):

See, further proof of the irrelevancy of LGF!

///

201 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:42:48pm
202 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:46:15pm

re: #160 ProGunLiberal

Any military wonks here? Someone on SA made a point about the F-35, and don't know if he has a correct point:

USN and USMC generally have preferred two-engine aircraft and helicopters for that reason. Redundant power system for overwater flight.

203 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:46:57pm

re: #194 ThomasLite

thanks.

more on-topic: I just took a screenshot of their "hot on the web today" frame. this story seems to be sizzlin'
[Link: tinypic.com...]

Can't imagine Fox HQ can do much but ignore their local station's idiocy.

204 dragonfire1981  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:48:47pm

"NSM says only heterosexual “pure-blood whites” should be allowed U.S. citizenship and that all nonwhites should be deported, regardless of legal status. As Schoep put it: “The Constitution was written by white men alone. Therefore, it was intended for whites alone.”

Stupid fucking idiots.

205 Kragar  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:50:38pm

re: #204 dragonfire1981

"NSM says only heterosexual “pure-blood whites” should be allowed U.S. citizenship and that all nonwhites should be deported, regardless of legal status. As Schoep put it: “The Constitution was written by white men alone. Therefore, it was intended for whites alone.”

Stupid fucking idiots.

Have fun defining "pure blood whites", you fucking idiots.

206 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:50:57pm

re: #204 dragonfire1981

They just want to deport all non-whites in a civil-rights-groupish way.

207 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:51:04pm

re: #204 dragonfire1981

"NSM says only heterosexual “pure-blood whites” should be allowed U.S. citizenship and that all nonwhites should be deported, regardless of legal status. As Schoep put it: “The Constitution was written by white men alone. Therefore, it was intended for whites alone.”

Stupid fucking idiots.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Derpy racists are derpy.

208 dragonfire1981  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:52:18pm

Yeah and what these morons apparently don't give a shit about is that there were people here BEFORE the white man ever came so it's not really a white nation even by their twisted logic.

209 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:52:58pm

re: #205 Kragar

Have fun defining "pure blood whites", you fucking idiots.

I don't have pure blood.

Mine's currently about 30% jelly bean, and another 25% M'n'M.

210 ThomasLite  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:53:44pm

re: #203 Decatur Deb

oh, the video is still up - still calling them a civil rights organization.
and I can't imagine the parent company here *wants* to do much about the idiocy.

211 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:53:54pm

re: #204 dragonfire1981

"NSM says only heterosexual “pure-blood whites” should be allowed U.S. citizenship and that all nonwhites should be deported, regardless of legal status. As Schoep put it: “The Constitution was written by white men alone. Therefore, it was intended for whites alone.”

Stupid fucking idiots.

Looks somebody took some SCOTUS judges' legal theories to heart. //

212 prairiefire  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:54:03pm

re: #209 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I don't have pure blood.

Mine's currently about 30% jelly bean, and another 25% M'n'M.

Jelly Bellies!

213 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:54:29pm

re: #189 dragonfire1981

Damn Charles, this XCitizen10 guy is really going at you hard on Twitter. Is it one of the stalkers or perhaps a Breitbrat?

must be unemployed, hah

214 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:57:50pm

re: #212 prairiefire

I think mine is 25% Egg Matzah. Blech.

215 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:59:20pm

re: #205 Kragar

"Pure White" I think means the cletuses in the South who screw their sisters.

216 Lidane  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:59:53pm

re: #174 ProGunLiberal

How is this dipshit on the Supreme Court bench?

Because when he doesn't have his head firmly lodged up his ass, Scalia can actually write some decent, compelling legal arguments.

Thomas, OTOH, is a waste of a Justice. He really has no place on the bench anywhere.

217 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 5:59:59pm

Checked out the new iPad today. I was able to resist the first two versions, but I may have to part with the ducats for version 3. That screen is freaking awesome.

218 Kragar  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:01:56pm

re: #215 ProGunLiberal

"Pure White" I think means the cletuses in the South who screw their sisters.

Because there is no recorded history of migration, cross breeding, rape or mixed bloodlines in over 2000 years of European history, thats for sure.

219 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:02:40pm

re: #218 Kragar

rofl

220 Tigger2005  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:03:06pm

When encountering Nazis the proper response is, "Join your pudgy, flatulent drug addict hero Adolf in Hell."

221 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:04:35pm

re: #218 Kragar

Because there is no recorded history of migration, cross breeding, rape or mixed bloodlines in over 2000 years of European history, thats for sure.

Don't get me started on Sicilians.
/True Romance

222 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:05:58pm

Also, "white" is a misnomer. When we're healthy, we're pink. When not, we're green or blue. //

223 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:06:25pm

re: #220 Tigger2005

Followed by some sort of punch. If you had a relative fight in the war, you get an extra punch. And if a relative died, you get follow that with a kick to your preferred target.

It's cumulative too. Have more than one relative, hoo boy.

224 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:12:33pm

re: #222 Johnny Derp

Also, "white" is a misnomer. When we're healthy, we're pink. When not, we're green or blue. //

Whatever these cavemen think is "white," I am not that.

225 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:13:27pm

Meanwhile, apparently Icelanders have an interesting genetic history:

Vikings possibly carried Native American to Europe.

DNA analysis reveals that four families in Iceland possess genes typically found in Native Americans or East Asians.

226 prairiefire  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:13:52pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

Checked out the new iPad today. I was able to resist the first two versions, but I may have to part with the ducats for version 3. That screen is freaking awesome.

My mom's going to give me her old no. 1 version and get the new for herself.

227 Tigger2005  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:15:34pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

Whatever these cavemen think is "white," I am not that.

Please don't insult the Geico cavemen. They get enough disrespect as it is.

228 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:17:08pm

What really bugs me is the "White culture."

That's the biggest bunch of hooey I ever heard of.

I believe in cultures--vibrant, fun, full of traditions and music and dancing--okay, when I think of cultures, I think of parties. Who doesn't?

Europe was a culturally diverse place with different music and dance and food. Different traditions. Different holidays. Different mythology and bogeymen and bedtime stories. Different taboos.

I think they mean "American culture," which is silly, because so much of our culture comes from countries not traditionally thought of as "white."

229 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:20:39pm

re: #218 Kragar

It took me a little while to find it. The Hapsburg Dynasty. [Link: encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com...]

230 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:26:19pm

Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

231 Lidane  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:27:35pm

re: #228 Mostly sane, most of the time.

What really bugs me is the "White culture."

That's the biggest bunch of hooey I ever heard of.

Seriously. Which "white culture" are they talking about -- German, Irish, Scottish, English, Swedish, Belgian, Greek, Spanish, etc.? Europe has always been far more than just a monolithic "white" part of the world. There were cultural influences and inspirations from all over the world over there, just like there are here.

Things like the spice and silk trades, the slave trade, and all of the religious and cultural mixing (i.e., the Moors in Spain, etc.) have had an impact on Europe. You can't just call all of it "white". And here in the States there are all sorts of African and Latin influences (especially here in the South), loads of Asian influence out West, and lots of different cultural pockets all over the place. It's stupid as all hell to just talk about "white culture".

232 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:27:58pm

re: #228 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Yeah. Try telling a French guy that his culture is the same as a German dude is the same as a Danish dude.

233 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:28:27pm

re: #228 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I got more:

Guess the Ethnicity/Nation of origin of these three:

Number 1

Number 2

Number 3

In addition, I found more!

Roman Britain was more interesting than believed:

Archaeologists have discovered that wealthy black Africans lived in Roman Britain in one of the country's earliest examples of multiculturalism. "Analysis... contradicts assumptions about the make-up of Roman-British populations as well as the view that African immigrants were of low status... The link between slavery and Africans is an early modern one. In the Roman world this simply was not the case. Slaves in Roman times could come from any area." ... African men had immigrated to Britain, invariably with the Roman Army, and had brought their wives and children. "We're looking at a population mix which is much closer to contemporary Britain than previous historians had suspected. In the case of York, the Roman population may have had more diverse origins than the city has now."

The so-called "Minorities" were in Britain before the English even existed

Alexander Pushkin's father was a Black Russian. Alexandre Dumas' father was half Haitian. And the Saami Ethnic Group of Northern Scandinavia (Which the Norwegian Progress Party wants to force into integration (They have a good deal of Autonomy) are more closely related to Asian Ethnic Groups.

"Whiteness" or colorism are bullshit.

234 Lidane  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:28:41pm

re: #232 Obdicut

Yeah. Try telling a French guy that his culture is the same as a German dude is the same as a Danish dude.

You can tell him that, but be prepared to hear an hours long rant about how much of an uncouth, uncultured idiot you are.

235 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:30:23pm

re: #231 Lidane

Seriously. Which "white culture" are they talking about -- German, Irish, Scottish, English, Swedish, Belgian, Greek, Spanish, etc.? Europe has always been far more than just a monolithic "white" part of the world. There were cultural influences and inspirations from all over the world over there, just like there are here.

Things like the spice and silk trades, the slave trade, and all of the religious and cultural mixing (i.e., the Moors in Spain, etc.) have had an impact on Europe. You can't just call all of it "white". And here in the States there are all sorts of African and Latin influences (especially here in the South), loads of Asian influence out West, and lots of different cultural pockets all over the place. It's stupid as all hell to just talk about "white culture".

You're expecting them to make sense. Ain't going to happen.
It's their story and they're going to stick to it.

236 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:32:35pm

Pushkin's daughter.

Wasn't she beautiful?

And, culturally, Russian.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

237 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:33:29pm

re: #236 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I just pointed that out. A bit different.

238 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:33:55pm

re: #231 Lidane

Their simplistic thinking is that since one can talk about black culture, one should also be able to talk about "white culture".

The problem is, globally there is no "black culture". There is one, in the US context, but for one simple reason. When blacks were brought to the US as slaves they were involuntarily deracinated. They were cut off from their ethnicities (which constituted different cultures). So their culture was something that grew anew on the US soil. In a sense then "blacks" is not only a race in the US, it has also become sort of an ethnic group. Which has its culture. This is not true for whites, which have numerous ethnic groups with different cultural peculiarities.

239 Tigger2005  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:34:54pm

What they think of as "White culture" is "Leave It to Beaver," except where Beaver is a Hitler Youth and Wally is an SS Stormtrooper.

re: #228 Mostly sane, most of the time.

What really bugs me is the "White culture."

That's the biggest bunch of hooey I ever heard of.

240 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:35:51pm

re: #237 ProGunLiberal

I just pointed that out. A bit different.

Sorry, I should have linked to you as I mentioned it because you mentioned it.

241 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:37:00pm

Sure enough. That moron at Weasel Zippers ends up Tweeting me to the effect of "how do I know you, or Silvio didn't plant those" and, wait for it, the same old tired excuse of "Killgore's fault!" I swear it's like these conservatives all share the same brain.

242 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:38:16pm

re: #233 ProGunLiberal

Alexander Pushkin's father was a Black Russian.

His great-grandfather was black, so grandfather was half-black, and father quarter-black (which doesn't make his father or him blacks in the Russian context).

243 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:38:41pm

re: #241 Gus

Sure enough. That moron at Weasel Zippers ends up Tweeting me to the effect of "how do I know you, or Silvio didn't plant those" and, wait for it, the same old tired excuse of "Killgore's fault!" I swear it's like these conservatives all share the same brain.

It absolves them of having to think.

244 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:38:54pm

re: #242 Johnny Derp

Still get's the point (sort of). Whiteness is a myth.

245 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:39:13pm

re: #238 Johnny Derp

Many humans have a very deep need to demonstrate superiority. When there's nothing else to use, the racist mind falls back on its last resort: the genes they were born with, a completely unearned accomplishment.

246 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:40:07pm

re: #244 ProGunLiberal

Still get's the point (sort of). Whiteness is a myth.

They would certainly fall under "one drop rule" if they lived in the US.

247 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:41:10pm

re: #21 windupbird is in the gravity well

Florida is fucked up

Yes, and with a sizable Jewish and Latino population as well.

248 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:46:49pm

re: #242 Johnny Derp

(Mother, actually.)

249 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:50:18pm

For crying out loud! Humanity went through a bottleneck 70,000 years ago, leaving us with a reduced diversity that is much smaller than the vast majority of mammals. There simply hasn't been time for humans to develop the differences these idiots need to assuage their inferiority complexes.

250 Tigger2005  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:51:32pm

I have some idiot friends on Facebook. They repost such stupid shit.

The latest, a picture of somebody who took the time to put a big patch on his jacket that says "I will not be forced to learn a foreign language to accommodate illegals in my country."

Another person posted this the other day:

"How do I feel about gun control? Break into my house some night and find out!"

I replied to that one, "There's gun control now, but you apparently have a gun to fend off intruders, so what's the problem? Gun not big enough? Can't get hollowpoints?"

251 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:52:11pm

If you look at the hate groups on the SPLC map, Florida wins. 55 groups. More than any other in the nation. Most of that concentration is outside of JAX in the north, to the west between Tampa/Sarasota and also in central, in and near Orlando.

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

The SPLC is reporting on these guys, too. I wonder if they know Fox news considers them a civil rights organization?

And here is Jeff Schoep's bio, the guy in the video.

Jeff Schoep has been a neo-Nazi true believer since age 10 who has managed, largely by luck, to end up heading one of the largest explicitly Hitlerite groups in America. Schoep's group is known for the crudeness of its propaganda, the violence it works hard to provoke, and the faux SS outfits that have caused many other neo-Nazis to deride NSM members as "Hollywood Nazis."

It goes on. He's also a friend of Bill White.

I hardly know what to say about Fox. It's a low I never dreamed that they would even go to.

252 Tigger2005  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:58:57pm

re: #251 Madge

I hardly know what to say about Fox. It's a low I never dreamed that they would even go to.

"Just got off the phone with Murdoch. Change the headline. We got ahead of schedule. The network's not ready to go full Nazi yet."

253 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 6:58:59pm

re: #251 Madge

If you look at the hate groups on the SPLC map, Florida wins. 55 groups. More than any other in the nation. Most of that concentration is outside of JAX in the north, to the west between Tampa/Sarasota and also in central, in and near Orlando.

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

The SPLC is reporting on these guys, too. I wonder if they know Fox news considers them a civil rights organization?

And here is Jeff Schoep's bio, the guy in the video.

It goes on. He's also a friend of Bill White.

I hardly know what to say about Fox. It's a low I never dreamed that they would even go to.

Hey MM, how you doing?

254 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:00:41pm

re: #251 Madge

From Schoep's bio:

Schoep is also known for focusing on recruiting children — specifically, 14- to 17-year-olds who Schoep says are taught military skills and how to become a "more effective warrior" in NSM's Viking Youth Corps. Parents might want to proceed cautiously, however. In 2004, Indiana authorities posted a photograph of that state's NSM leader, John Edward Snyder. Snyder had been recently released from prison for rape and other sex charges and banned from having any contact with children.

Just a little more information not provided to Fox Orlando viewers.

255 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:02:31pm

re: #249 No Monkey Man (Born With a Banana in my Hand)

For crying out loud! Humanity went through a bottleneck 70,000 years ago, leaving us with a reduced diversity that is much smaller than the vast majority of mammals. There simply hasn't been time for humans to develop the differences these idiots need to assuage their inferiority complexes.

Actually, the "bottleneck" (if one can call it that) is primarily out of Africa.

There is more genetic diversity within Africans in Africa than there is in others who left Africa 70 thousand years ago or so, presumably because that started with a much smaller genetic sampling.

256 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:02:36pm

re: #254 jaunte

From Schoep's bio:

Just a little more information not provided to Fox Orlando viewers.

That's an insult to Vikings, who were, sure, bloodthirsty warriors, but who wasn't, back in the 3rd century AD?

Modern Vikings aren't stupid.

257 Mich-again  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:04:00pm

Ironic that so many of the same people who take solace believing their God made them in his own image and gave them dominion over the animals on Earth cling to racism which is very similar to the animal instinct to herd with other like creatures and team up to chase others off your territory.

258 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:05:53pm

re: #257 Mich-again

Good thing you didn't use the word "tribe", if Obdi is listening. :=)

259 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:06:45pm

re: #255 Flame Fin Tomini Tang

Actually, the "bottleneck" (if one can call it that) is primarily out of Africa.

There is more genetic diversity within Africans in Africa than there is in others who left Africa 70 thousand years ago or so, presumably because that started with a much smaller genetic sampling.

"The Toba catastrophe theory suggests that a bottleneck of the human population occurred c. 70,000 years ago, proposing that the human population was reduced to perhaps 15,000 individuals[3] when the Toba supervolcano in Indonesia erupted and triggered a major environmental change. The theory is based on geological evidences of sudden climate change and on coalescence evidences of some genes (including mitochondrial DNA, Y-chromosome and some nuclear genes)[4] and the relatively low level of genetic variation with humans.[3]"

260 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:06:48pm

Bubba Watson's 155 yd wedge out of the trees, with a 40 yard hook, was unfreakingbelievable. Loved seeing the big lug bawling with mom after the win, epic.

261 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:09:43pm
262 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:09:47pm

re: #259 No Monkey Man (Born With a Banana in my Hand)

That should be the human population out of Africa, if true, or the genetic diversity that is now seen in Africa would have been eliminated; but it has not. Needless to say, there need not have been a migration only once back then.

263 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:10:24pm

re: #253 No Monkey Man (Born With a Banana in my Hand)

Real good, and you? Been on vacation. Back to work tomorrow *sad face*

264 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:10:28pm

re: #251 Madge

If you look at the hate groups on the SPLC map, Florida wins. 55 groups. More than any other in the nation. Most of that concentration is outside of JAX in the north, to the west between Tampa/Sarasota and also in central, in and near Orlando.

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

The SPLC is reporting on these guys, too. I wonder if they know Fox news considers them a civil rights organization?

And here is Jeff Schoep's bio, the guy in the video.

It goes on. He's also a friend of Bill White.

I hardly know what to say about Fox. It's a low I never dreamed that they would even go to.

Another connection to Robert Stacy McCain's neo-Nazi pal.

265 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:11:08pm

re: #254 jaunte

From Schoep's bio:

Just a little more information not provided to Fox Orlando viewers.

Yea, there was a lot of shit in there. He's also a convicted felon. Real sweetheart of a guy.

266 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:12:22pm

re: #264 Charles Johnson

Another connection to Robert Stacy McCain's neo-Nazi pal.

Just horrifying. Wasn't Riehl defending these guys to you, too?

267 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:13:43pm

re: #259 No Monkey Man (Born With a Banana in my Hand)

I read your link. I see that this theory was developed in 1993 and further in 1998.

My readings on the subject, although I am no expert, just interested, are based on later DNA testing advances.

268 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:15:52pm

re: #263 Madge

Real good, and you? Been on vacation. Back to work tomorrow *sad face*

Taking a day off tomorrow so I can recover from the huge meal I just ate.

269 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:17:02pm

re: #267 Flame Fin Tomini Tang

I read your link. I see that this theory was developed in 1993 and further in 1998.

My readings on the subject, although I am no expert, just interested, are based on later DNA testing advances.

Do you have any links?

270 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:20:48pm

re: #260 Kronocide

Bubba Watson's 155 yd wedge out of the trees, with a 40 yard hook, was unfreakingbelievable. Loved seeing the big lug bawling with mom after the win, epic.

Epic. Now to look up his fantastic interviews on Rome. Even more epic.

271 Kragar  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:23:44pm

Michigan Republicans Illegally Passed Over 96% of Bills Under 'Immediate Effect'

Last night, Rachel Maddow broke a huge story that has been happening since Republicans took over in Michigan in 2011 and has gone completely under the radar. Since January 2011, 566 bills have been signed into law. Of those, 546 of them, 96.5% were passed under “immediate effect”. Here’s the video from last night’s show that will blow your mind. Pay particular attention to around 12:30 where they show it in action. It’s astonishing. [...]

As Rachel Maddow points out, if Public Act 4 had not been passed in this way, it would only have gone into effect in the past few weeks, 90 days after the last legislative session. Think about that for minute. Think about how much has been done to, using Maddow’s phrase, “rout democracy” in our state under that law in the year that it has been on the books. Think about how it could have been different if they hadn’t used immediate effect.

Maddow then went on to show just how illegal this is. It’s something that I pointed out in my piece yesterday titled “Michigan GOP appeals ruling preventing them from violating the state constitution”. It’s the fact that immediate effect can only happen if 2/3 of the members of the House vote for it. But Republicans do not HAVE 2/3 of the House. The entire reason that they have been avoiding using roll call votes is because they did not have the votes to make the laws immediate effect. In other words, over 96% of the laws passed by the Republicans since January 2011 have been illegal in their implementation. Read on...Michigan Republicans have ILLEGALLY passed over 96% (546) of their bills under “immediate effect”

272 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:25:58pm

re: #269 No Monkey Man (Born With a Banana in my Hand)

Do you have any links?

You could start here

273 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:27:16pm

re: #268 No Monkey Man (Born With a Banana in my Hand)

hehe good deal!

I hate to post and run, but I have to get. Keep fighting the good fight, ya'll!

274 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:29:18pm
275 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:30:43pm

re: #256 Mostly sane, most of the time.

That's an insult to Vikings, who were, sure, bloodthirsty warriors, but who wasn't, back in the 3rd century AD?

Modern Vikings aren't stupid.

but they sure ain't making it to the playoffs either

276 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:30:46pm

re: #272 Flame Fin Tomini Tang

You could start here

Thanks.

From 2002 to 2007 I was an evolution nut. Since then I've been a AGW nut and I've let the evo-devo research slide.

277 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:33:03pm

re: #271 Kragar

Yes I commented on that when I saw the show a couple of days ago. What I don't understand is how they can get away with it.

The other point of interest is that it was Romney senior who formulated the current, ignored, law requiring 2/3 votes for immediate effect.

278 Mich-again  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:35:11pm

re: #271 Kragar

The Tea Party GOP is out of control here, knowing their time is short. Its like one of those old game shows where a couple gets a 60 second shopping spree in a supermarket.

And the Attorney General Bill Schuette clearly doesn't give a crap about the law, evidenced by his total disregard for the medical marijuana laws MI voters passed in 2008. He doesn't care one bit what the law says, he has been illegally raiding homes and confiscating people's plants and equipment even though the people have fulfilled every legal requirement. He is a rogue AG so its no surprise the GOP lawmakers think they are above the law.

This is all part of the GOP war on women. They have been on the warpath against teachers unions, however they have let the public janitors, police and fire fighter unions off the hook.

279 John Vreeland  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:40:37pm

National Socialists.

Bwahahaha!

There is no "neo-" about it. They are, quite literally, Nazis.

280 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:43:16pm

re: #279 John Vreeland

National Socialists.

Bwahahaha!

There is no "neo-" about it. They are, quite literally, Nazis.

No, they're not members of NSDAP, so they're neo-Nazis.

281 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:45:08pm

re: #278 Mich-again

The Tea Party GOP is out of control here, knowing their time is short. Its like one of those old game shows where a couple gets a 60 second shopping spree in a supermarket.

And the Attorney General Bill Schuette clearly doesn't give a crap about the law, evidenced by his total disregard for the medical marijuana laws MI voters passed in 2008. He doesn't care one bit what the law says, he has been illegally raiding homes and confiscating people's plants and equipment even though the people have fulfilled every legal requirement. He is a rogue AG so its no surprise the GOP lawmakers think they are above the law.

This is all part of the GOP war on women. They have been on the warpath against teachers unions, however they have let the public janitors, police and fire fighter unions off the hook.

They let the police and firefighter unions off because most folks can't go along with the narrative that their unions are "greedy" or "overpaid." But teachers and janitors? We seem to believe that any monkey could do their job, so feel that they should be happy that they're still employed.

282 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:57:51pm

Tomorrow Never Knows

283 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:57:56pm

Oh for fuck's sake. I thought this was just a tiny, one-off web article. I didn't know there was a televised news segment including a telephone interview with the Nazi fucks. Jebus! Fucking stupid.

"The blacks have Al Sharpton, you know, the whites have the National Socialist Movement..."

No, dude.

Fuck. You.

I ain't down with the bullshit you're repping, and there ain't a gawt-damned thing about you fucking Nazis that represents me, my color, or my beliefs.
FUCK OFF!!!

284 Kragar  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:59:02pm

re: #281 Targetpractice

They let the police and firefighter unions off because most folks can't go along with the narrative that their unions are "greedy" or "overpaid." But teachers and janitors? We seem to believe that any monkey could do their job, so feel that they should be happy that they're still employed.

Its not like treating people like slaves who should be grateful for what scraps they're fed has ever turned out bad in the long run.
/

285 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:02:01pm

I'm so glad I don't live in Sanford, FL. I feel terrible for the decent people who do. Jet fuel on a wild fire.

286 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:04:20pm

Hilarious. Getting another derpity do saying "Killgore did it!" Apparently, this time we were sneaky enough to plant said comment linking to New Nation News and waiting for the right time to reveal it! Derpity do! Killgore is one busy man. But now apparently this right-wing conspiracy is expanding to include a whole network of super-stealthy liberal plants from Little Green Footballs!

Whew.

287 Lidane  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:04:27pm

re: #283 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

"The blacks have Al Sharpton, you know, the whites have the National Socialist Movement..."

There are an awful lot of fucking morons and trolls all over the internet making that exact argument.

Look at the comments at ThinkProgress and other sites -- you'll see some white idiot trying to equate the New Black Panthers or Al Sharpton as some sort of analogous figures to the Nazis and playing some ridiculous MBF attempt where the Nazis are just the white versions of Sharpton or the NBP.

It's hard to believe that there are people who are that fucking stupid in this country, then I remember that Faux News and the RWNJ howler monkeys on talk radio and in the blogosphere have trained an entire segment of the United States to think that way.

288 Kragar  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:08:10pm

In what fucking world does the NBP = Nazis?

Thats like comparing a loose change cup to Fort Knox.

289 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:08:22pm

re: #287 Lidane

I don't have a very high opinion of Sharpton, but I certainly don't see him as equivalent to neo-nazis. The NBP, maybe.

290 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:11:41pm

re: #288 Kragar

They have their own ideas about racial superiority and separatism, but certainly not close to the scale of any Nazi movement. I guess the average black person is smarter than the average white person when it comes to falling for that kind of shit.

291 Lidane  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:11:59pm

re: #289 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I don't have a very high opinion of Sharpton, but I certainly don't see him as equivalent to neo-nazis. The NBP, maybe.

I'm not a fan of either Sharpton or the NBP, but neither of them are analogous to the neo-Nazis. The National Socialist Movement assholes would forcibly deport everyone in this country who aren't "pure white", and violently oppress anyone who refuses to leave. And that's just one of their platform points.

It's ludicrous to try and compare them. It's like saying that a Hot Wheels car is in the same league as a Bugatti.

292 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:25:59pm

I hope everyone had a nice Easter. I was invited to a BBQ by some friends. Out of roughly forty or more people, I only knew five. Out of roughly forty or more people, I was the only white dude there, and I didn't feel the least bit uncomfortable.

I wouldn't feel even remotely comfortable in the company of just a single Nazi.

I hope there are enough good people in Sanford to [safely, legally, and non-violently] boot those out of state Nazis from their neighborhood.

293 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:28:05pm

Heh. I got a sunburn.

294 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:29:23pm

re: #292 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I hope everyone had a nice Easter. I was invited to a BBQ by some friends. Out of roughly forty or more people, I only knew five. Out of roughly forty or more people, I was the only white dude there, and I didn't feel the least bit uncomfortable.

I wouldn't feel even remotely comfortable in the company of just a single Nazi.

I hope there are enough good people in Sanford to [safely, legally, and non-violently] boot those out of state Nazis from their neighborhood.

what's a better term, carpetnazi or nazibagger

295 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:31:18pm

re: #294 windupbird is in the gravity well

Nazibagger, definitely. Carpetnazi sounds way too much like a derogatory term for a lesbian. Sorry to go there, but that was the first thing that jumped out at me.

296 Lidane  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:34:53pm

re: #294 windupbird is in the gravity well

what's a better term, carpetnazi or nazibagger

Nazi Assholes works just fine, IMO, since that's what they are.

These are their 25 Points. There's no way in hell that the NBP or Al Sharpton have ever said anything remotely fail-tastic like this:

25 POINTS OF AMERICAN NATIONAL SOCIALISM (Google Cache link)

297 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:36:40pm

re: #295 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Nazibagger, definitely. Carpetnazi sounds way too much like a derogatory term for a lesbian. Sorry to go there, but that was the first thing that jumped out at me.

You ever notice how places like Stormfront are filled with guys that like Rick Santorum but they stop short of a full embrace because of Israel/Jews? Which means that Santorum has more in common with them then not.

298 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:37:40pm

The goons at Something Awful are reading this article.

Hi Goons!

299 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:39:12pm

re: #296 Lidane

Fuckin' dead enders, the lot of them.

300 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:41:34pm

re: #297 Gus

That and the catholic thing. Neo-nazis sure hate their papists.

301 Kragar  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:43:14pm

Cracks emerge in Santorum's evangelical support

Rick Santorum, who rose in the polls thanks to enthusiastic support from Christian conservatives, faced pressure Sunday from a key Republican evangelical to end his increasingly long-shot White House bid.

Richard Land, a top official with the powerful Southern Baptist Convention, urged Santorum to abandon the race and throw his support to frontrunner Mitt Romney to increase Republicans' chances of defeating Barack Obama in November.

"Rick's a good friend. I like Rick a lot," Land told CBS "Face the Nation" program on Sunday.

But he said, "as his friend I would say to him, 'you know, you ought to seriously consider leaving the race now'," the prominent Baptist clergyman said.

302 freetoken  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:45:05pm

re: #301 Kragar

He's dead, Jim.

303 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:45:48pm

re: #300 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

That and the catholic thing. Neo-nazis sure hate their papists.

Oh yeah. So they'll "lean" towards Gingrich. What they really like is the heated anti-welfare reasons for the old school reasons.

304 freetoken  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:46:05pm

It's going to be so entertaining to watch the religious right do hand stands and back flips to show that Mormonism, which they once equated to Satan, isn't so bad.

305 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:46:11pm

re: #301 Kragar

Five years ago, I never thought I'd see a non-white elected to POTUS in my lifetime.

Now, I can't see how a non-white could fail to get re-elected.

306 Kragar  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:46:55pm

re: #302 freetoken

He's dead, Jim.

I just wonder how many plastic forks Richard Land went thru stabbing himself in the leg as he said they needed to back Romney.

307 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:49:41pm

I need to find me a copy "Return to Castle Wolfenstein". I have an urge to relieve a very specific anger.

308 Kragar  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:52:25pm

re: #307 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I need to find me a copy "Return to Castle Wolfenstein". I have an urge to relieve a very specific anger.

Its on Steam for $10.

310 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:53:41pm

re: #308 Kragar

I was thinking a used copy for the old Xbox. I'm regretting the fact that I traded it in years ago.

311 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:53:49pm

re: #305 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Five years ago, I never thought I'd see a non-white elected to POTUS in my lifetime.

Now, I can't see how a non-white could fail to get re-elected.

I do know that if Romney would happen to win I would never, ever, freak out about him like they're doing with Obama. That's just the way I am.

312 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:56:08pm

It’s Okay — Call Republicans Social Darwinists

Paul Krugman: "...the real defining characteristic of social Darwinism is the notion that harsh inequality is both necessary and right. And that’s absolutely what today’s right believes — which is the point all the faux outrage about the Darwinist label is meant to obscure."

313 freetoken  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:56:23pm

re: #311 Gus

Just wait until Mitt makes you put on special underwear. Then you'll change your tune, I bet.

314 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:57:07pm

re: #311 Gus

I gave up freaking out about that kind of thing nearly two decades ago. Only Hitler is exactly like Hitler. The rest of these guys are just duly elected representatives of the people, no matter how big of an asshole they turn out to be.

315 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:57:20pm

Gay jokes are constant on Twitter is seems. The right-wing is really big on hurling those almost all the time. Not all. Maybe half. But invariably whenever there's a swarm someone will belt one out. The proverbial "you fag" argument.

317 Mocking Jay  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 8:58:57pm

re: #312 jaunte

It’s Okay — Call Republicans Social Darwinists

I really can't figure out why they're trying to distance themselves from that term. They should own it.

Oh shit. I just realized the problem. It's the comparison to Darwin that really has them clutching their pearls!

318 Kragar  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:01:23pm

re: #317 Altar Boy of Darwinism

I really can't figure out why they're trying to distance themselves from that term. They should own it.

Oh shit. I just realized the problem. It's the comparison to Darwin that really has them clutching their pearls!

"I AINT COME FROM NO MONKEY!"

319 Mocking Jay  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:03:10pm

re: #318 Kragar

"I AINT COME FROM NO MONKEY!"

Social Darwinism means we came from Marxist Monkeys, right?

320 freetoken  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:03:15pm

re: #317 Altar Boy of Darwinism

Yup, the problem is the ... words. Remember, words are magical.

Anyway, "social" is clearly evil because "socialism" is evil.

"Darwin" is evil because we all know Darwin calls God a liar.

Therefore, a "social Darwinist" is an evil evil person, and since Republicans are God's chosen to implement His Law they can't be evil, and thus it follows from logic that Republicans can't be Social Darwinists.

It' so clear, how could anyone miss it?

321 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:04:20pm

re: #320 freetoken

Yup, the problem is the ... words. Remember, words are magical.

Anyway, "social" is clearly evil because "socialism" is evil.

"Darwin" is evil because we all know Darwin calls God a liar.

Therefore, a "social Darwinist" is an evil evil person, and since Republicans are God's chosen to implement His Law they can't be evil, and thus it follows from logic that Republicans can't be Social Darwinists.

It' so clear, how could anyone miss it?

Boo thinks you're just ducky.

322 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:07:14pm

re: #317 Altar Boy of Darwinism

Geoffrey Norman at the Weekly Standard thinks President Obama is a big unfair-fighting meanie. (McCarthyite, thug, Chicago, etc.). He actually dared to comment on the Supreme Court.
[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

323 freetoken  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:07:17pm

re: #321 Varek Raith

Boo thinks you're just ducky.

Is Boo a Social Darwinist?

324 Mocking Jay  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:08:04pm

re: #320 freetoken

Yup, the problem is the ... words. Remember, words are magical.

Anyway, "social" is clearly evil because "socialism" is evil.

"Darwin" is evil because we all know Darwin calls God a liar.

Therefore, a "social Darwinist" is an evil evil person, and since Republicans are God's chosen to implement His Law they can't be evil, and thus it follows from logic that Republicans can't be Social Darwinists.

It' so clear, how could anyone miss it?

I doubt they'd be so disagreeable if people would just call Republican economic policy "survival of the fittest." Hell, that would probably get a resounding "damn straight!"

You know, just like how Jesus wanted it to be...

325 freetoken  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:09:06pm

re: #324 Altar Boy of Darwinism

Survival of the Righteous.

326 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:09:14pm

re: #323 freetoken

Is Boo a Social Darwinist?

My hamster does not like your tone. Away with ye.

327 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:09:16pm

re: #314 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I gave up freaking out about that kind of thing nearly two decades ago. Only Hitler is exactly like Hitler. The rest of these guys are just duly elected representatives of the people, no matter how big of an asshole they turn out to be.

Sometimes life just sucks. I've grown used to that. The only thing I freak out about is my personal debt, neck pain, and the hernia. There's the public life and the personal life. I grew up as a futurist and felt severely let down a long time ago. There are no designs in my plans for society.

328 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:10:16pm

re: #321 Varek Raith

Boo thinks you're just ducky.

We had a neighborhood kid named Boo once. Way back.

329 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:10:19pm

re: #313 freetoken

And airbrush out ladies bellybuttons!

330 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:10:34pm

re: #317 Altar Boy of Darwinism

I really can't figure out why they're trying to distance themselves from that term. They should own it.

Oh shit. I just realized the problem. It's the comparison to Darwin that really has them clutching their pearls!

The religious right has spent enormous time and effort to make social darwinism/eugenics and liberalism/evolution synonymous in the American mind.

They have no choice but to try to distance themselves from that label, no matter how accurate.

331 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:11:03pm

re: #312 jaunte

It’s Okay — Call Republicans Social Darwinists

More partisan attacks from one of the league leaders. When it comes to party differences, Paul Krugman no longer has credibility. On some other things, like the euro-zone, he still has value.

332 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:12:07pm

re: #331 Dark_Falcon

Paul Ryan's budget proposal:

...the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities estimates that 62 percent of the cuts come from programs for low-income Americans and 37 percent of the tax benefits go to the few Americans earning more than $1 million.[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

333 Mocking Jay  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:12:26pm

re: #322 jaunte

Geoffrey Norman at the Weekly Standard thinks President Obama is a big unfair-fighting meanie. (McCarthyite, thug, Chicago, etc.). He actually dared to comment on the Supreme Court.
[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

Well, the President certainly has given quite a few people the vapors over that comment.

334 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:13:38pm

re: #331 Dark_Falcon

Why is it so bad for us to retaliate in kind?

I'm still not sure why Democrats don't fight using religion to. Helping your fellow man is a Religious Duty universally. Why don't we do fire with fire here?

335 Mocking Jay  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:14:12pm

re: #332 jaunte

Paul Ryan's budget:

And then they start trickling jobs all over us?

336 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:14:56pm

re: #335 Altar Boy of Darwinism

And then they start trickling jobs all over us?

Stimulate the rich until they ejaculate jobs.

Hard to believe just how cowardly the Ryan plan is.

337 Kragar  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:15:03pm

re: #335 Altar Boy of Darwinism

And then they start trickling jobs all over us?

Its a Golden Spray of Prosperity!

338 Mocking Jay  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:15:28pm

re: #334 ProGunLiberal

Why is it so bad for us to retaliate in kind?

I'm still not sure why Democrats don't fight using religion to. Helping your fellow man is a Religious Duty universally. Why don't we do fire with fire here?

I really can't get behind any thought that suggests even more politicians bring God to the table. Count me out.

339 Lidane  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:16:09pm

re: #322 jaunte

Geoffrey Norman at the Weekly Standard thinks President Obama is a big unfair-fighting meanie. (McCarthyite, thug, Chicago, etc.). He actually dared to comment on the Supreme Court.
[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

By contrast, EJ Dionne suddenly remembered where he put his spine, at least temporarily:

The United States, FDR insisted, could not afford “to sacrifice each generation in turn while the law catches up with life.” He spoke with a sense of urgency in the midst of the Great Depression. “The millions who are in want,” he said, “will not stand by silently forever while the things to satisfy their needs are within easy reach.”

FDR lost the court-packing fight but won the larger battle over the right of the democratic branches of government to legislate on behalf of the common good.

Progressives would be wildly irresponsible if they sat by quietly while a conservative Supreme Court majority undid 80 years of jurisprudence. Roosevelt wasn’t a wimp, and Obama has decided that he won’t be one, either. Conservatives are unhappy because they prefer passive, intimidated liberals to the fighting kind.

I give it a week before he goes back to being the insufferable "centrist" squish he's been for the last few years, but whatever. At least he got a decent article up for a change.

340 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:16:26pm

re: #208 dragonfire1981

Yeah and what these morons apparently don't give a shit about is that there were people here BEFORE the white man ever came so it's not really a white nation even by their twisted logic.

Any place white people move to in sufficient quantities becomes a 'white nation', and asking them to share with other people is just oppressing the poor whites.

341 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:17:24pm

re: #325 freetoken

I will have to see if I still have the list of restrictions, from when my company purchased a Mormon company. We were all pretty freaked out & laughing about it. The mens shorts had to be 2 inches longer than what was made nationally, to accomodate their underwear...

342 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:18:28pm

re: #322 jaunte

Geoffrey Norman at the Weekly Standard thinks President Obama is a big unfair-fighting meanie. (McCarthyite, thug, Chicago, etc.). He actually dared to comment on the Supreme Court.
[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

He's also "quoted" Jimi Hendrix. Seems like Obama makes a lot of these asshole drop their monocles. However, the right wing has been COMMENTING on almost every court ever since Genesis and God created man. Activist judges and high and rampant disrespect for not only the 9th but SCOTUS. Thurgood Marshall anyone? The constant complaining about Roe v. Wade or Brown v. Board of Ed?

343 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:18:30pm

re: #225 ProGunLiberal

Meanwhile, apparently Icelanders have an interesting genetic history:

Vikings possibly carried Native American to Europe.

Makes sense. Now, that would make for one HELL of a Johanna Lindsey novel.

344 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:20:52pm

re: #233 ProGunLiberal

I got more:

Guess the Ethnicity/Nation of origin of these three:

Number 1

Number 2

Number 3

In addition, I found more!

Roman Britain was more interesting than believed:

The so-called "Minorities" were in Britain before the English even existed

Alexander Pushkin's father was a Black Russian. Alexandre Dumas' father was half Haitian. And the Saami Ethnic Group of Northern Scandinavia (Which the Norwegian Progress Party wants to force into integration (They have a good deal of Autonomy) are more closely related to Asian Ethnic Groups.

"Whiteness" or colorism are bullshit.

Hmmm. No. 1 I have no idea.

No. 2, I'm going to guess somewhere in East or North Africa from those tattoos, but no idea, really.

No. 3--Mongol?

345 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:21:03pm

re: #342 Gus

Yes, I see a lot of people spreading around the idea that Obama's comments were somehow an unprecedented threat to the independence of the judiciary. I'm not seeing it.

346 freetoken  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:21:38pm

re: #343 SanFranciscoZionist

The problem with that story is that it overlooked another, obvious, answer - that arctic people, who have lived in Greenland for sometime, could have visited Iceland, given how close the latter is to the former.

347 Lidane  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:22:02pm

This is hilarious. And awesome:

Dear white people, I love you.

348 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:22:26pm

re: #342 Gus

However, the right wing has been COMMENTING on almost every court ever since Genesis and God created man.

I didn't come from no P. Gabriel!!!

349 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:22:33pm

CNN has a story up this weekend about the origins of the name of Beyonce and Jay-Z baby, a name of 'blue Ivy'. My older-model phone has to scroll up through the comments to get to the main article and some of them were pretty hideous:

Welfare Queen

They should have named her WhiteWhitney after the type of crack.
April 6, 2012 at 1:02 pm | Report abuse |

This next schulb posts a violent fantasy about Sarah Palin:

palintwit

An Afternoon With Sarah Palin...
Step 1: Put Palins in a large sack. Burlap or canvas. Your choice.
Step 2: Hang the aforementioned sack from a large, sturdy tree.
Step 3: Hit the sack with a ball bat or 2×4. Your choice.
Step 4: Take a break and have a cold soda or beer. Your choice.
Step 5: Repeat steps 3 and 4.
For extra fun try adding a Kardashian or Snooki to the sack. Your choice.
April 6, 2012 at 11:42 am | Report abuse | Reply

Some utter lunacy and someone calling it that:

Jason S

Blue Ivy means devils daughter in Latin. Well we knew CNN was going to cover up this illuminati name.
April 6, 2012 at 11:53 am | Report abuse | Reply

JOE

Jason your absolutly right. They are totally Iluuminati. Devil Worshippers, leave it to the sheeple to believe that BLUE IVY is the name of a tree. Blue ivy is the Devil's daugher.
April 6, 2012 at 12:08 pm | Report abuse |
I.T

Just look at how long it too them to make up this explanation.

May be I would name mine Green Mary J (after the marijuana plant).
April 7, 2012 at 6:13 pm | Report abuse |
peridot2

A lie or an error, either way you're wrong.

Blue = caeruleus

Ivy = hedera

Neither word translates to devil or daughter.

One suspects bigotry is responsible for your remarks rather than ignorance of Latin.
April 8, 2012 at 1:13 pm | Report abuse |

Someone smacks down the Alex Jones followers and in reply more racism is spewed:

Rick

To the "Illumniati" crowd, I hear that Safeway's got a great sale on Reynolds Wrap, you might want to stock up!!
April 6, 2012 at 1:05 pm | Report abuse | Reply

Leroy J

Reynolds Wrap is also a popular name for black babies.
April 6, 2012 at 1:08 pm | Report abuse |

Yeesh, where did all this hate come from?

350 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:22:38pm

re: #236 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Pushkin's daughter.

Wasn't she beautiful?

And, culturally, Russian.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Lovely.

I used to know a gentleman in the SCA who said he wanted to do Italian Renaissance, but felt it looked stupid, since he was black. Then he saw portraits of some of the sixteenth century Medici bastards, and figured, if they could wear doublets, he could damn well wear a doublet.

351 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:22:42pm

re: #342 Gus

"This is a fight without rules"
For that, Norman should see what the Republicans have been doing in the Michigan statehouse.

352 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:23:53pm

re: #345 jaunte

Yes, I see a lot of people spreading around the idea that Obama's comments were somehow an unprecedented threat to the independence of the judiciary. I'm not seeing it.

I'm pretty sure even Scalia said no big deal.

353 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:23:59pm

re: #345 jaunte

Yes, I see a lot of people spreading around the idea that Obama's comments were somehow an unprecedented threat to the independence of the judiciary. I'm not seeing it.

JOHN ROBERTS has said worse, back before he was on SCOTUS

354 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:24:51pm

re: #256 Mostly sane, most of the time.

That's an insult to Vikings, who were, sure, bloodthirsty warriors, but who wasn't, back in the 3rd century AD?

Modern Vikings aren't stupid.

Vikings were warriors, and some were raiders. The medieval Norse had an amazing culture, which was not based on being white, merely practiced by people who were white.

355 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:25:46pm
356 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:25:57pm

re: #344 SanFranciscoZionist

Correct with the last one.

Number one is Iranian, Number 2 is Pakistani.

Again, massive hole in the whole race thing. You will find people as pale as your stereotypical Norwegian in much of the Middle East and South Asia.

357 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:26:19pm

re: #349 Dark_Falcon

Sounds like another insane asylum.

358 freetoken  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:26:52pm

re: #354 SanFranciscoZionist

The sure got around during those few centuries - from founding lines of rulers in the east (the real Czars) to taking over Normandy and from there Britain (which they invaded at least three different ways over the centuries - back in Roman times, then directly in the dark ages, then the Normans.)

359 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:27:23pm

re: #339 Lidane

By contrast, EJ Dionne suddenly remembered where he put his spine, at least temporarily:

I give it a week before he goes back to being the insufferable "centrist" squish he's been for the last few years, but whatever. At least he got a decent article up for a change.

I'd love it if Obama tried a stunt like that in an election year, only he's not that stupid. For him to try a direct attack on the Supreme Court would be so blatantly refusing to concede error and such a naked power-grab that Romney would win by 8%!

360 Mocking Jay  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:28:02pm

re: #351 jaunte

"This is a fight without rules"
For that, Norman should see what the Republicans have been doing in the Michigan statehouse.

That is some epic nonsense going on in that state.

361 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:28:45pm

re: #357 Gus

Sounds like another insane asylum.

Yes, but its CNN, not Fox News. Even a decent news site picks up that kind of filth now.

362 Lidane  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:28:49pm

re: #349 Dark_Falcon

Yeesh, where did all this hate come from?

From the fact that Jay-Z is worth about $450 million on his own and is projected to become a billionaire, and Beyonce is worth over $300 million.

The idea that a black couple could be worth almost a billion dollars pisses these people off so much that they lash out.

363 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:28:52pm

re: #345 jaunte

Yes, I see a lot of people spreading around the idea that Obama's comments were somehow an unprecedented threat to the independence of the judiciary. I'm not seeing it.

But Newt's idea that a President can just tell the Supreme Court 'nope, can't touch that law' is apparently perfectly natural and good, Conservative practice.

364 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:29:04pm

re: #346 freetoken

The problem with that story is that it overlooked another, obvious, answer - that arctic people, who have lived in Greenland for sometime, could have visited Iceland, given how close the latter is to the former.

That would also make sense, and the Greenlanders, like the Norse, could get anywhere by water. However, IIRC, we know that Icelanders went to Greenland and returned--could have gone back with an Inuit wife/husband/concubine/whatever, or returned home with children by said person.

The Norse Greenland colony ended in utter tragedy, but they had a short, decent run.

365 Lidane  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:29:21pm

re: #359 Dark_Falcon

Romney would have to win over the GOP base first, and that hasn't happened yet.

366 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:29:33pm

re: #347 Lidane

This is hilarious. And awesome:

Dear white people, I love you.

Heh. Fucking funny, but she clearly doesn't know many white people.

Or maybe I don't know many white people like that.

367 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:29:37pm

re: #355 windupbird is in the gravity well

Saint Ronald Reagan versus the judiciary

Did you know he single handily took down the Soviet Union? Forget Lech Walesa, Perestroika, Poland, Mikhail Gorbachev, Pope John Paul II, Afghanistan, going broke, and then some. It was all Ronald Reagan's work.

368 jaunte  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:30:16pm

re: #363 Renaissance_Man

This seems like a perfectly reasonable statement to make:

“I’d just remind conservative commentators that for years what we’ve heard is, the biggest problem on the bench was judicial activism or a lack of judicial restraint — that an unelected group of people would somehow overturn a duly constituted and passed law,” Obama said during a Rose Garden news conference. “Well, this is a good example. And I’m pretty confident that this court will recognize that and not take that step.”

369 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:31:05pm

re: #363 Renaissance_Man

But Newt's idea that a President can just tell the Supreme Court 'nope, can't touch that law' is apparently perfectly natural and good, Conservative practice.

I pointed out why that was horseshit, too. So did National Review.

Newt's idea seems to revolve around the idea that Obama has no such power, even if Newt would have it, since as a black man Obama cannot be a legitimate president.

370 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:33:49pm

re: #365 Lidane

Romney would have to win over the GOP base first, and that hasn't happened yet.

If Obama tried something that outrageous, even half of the further out wingnuts would swallow their objections. But it's academic, not the least because the court hasn't ruled yet and won't for about two months.

371 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:34:15pm

re: #356 ProGunLiberal

Correct with the last one.

Number one is Iranian, Number 2 is Pakistani.

Again, massive hole in the whole race thing. You will find people as pale as your stereotypical Norwegian in much of the Middle East and South Asia.

One out of three ain't bad!

Didn't know they tattooed like that in Pakistan.

My friend Basya always says, she can pass for a local anywhere from England to North Africa, if she keeps her mouth shut. I say I can manage from, say, the South of France to Yemen.

372 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:35:56pm

re: #358 freetoken

The sure got around during those few centuries - from founding lines of rulers in the east (the real Czars) to taking over Normandy and from there Britain (which they invaded at least three different ways over the centuries - back in Roman times, then directly in the dark ages, then the Normans.)

They got down into Africa as well, and of course, out to North America, although they didn't do a ton with that.

They got around.

373 Lidane  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:36:49pm

re: #370 Dark_Falcon

Obama's not going to try to make an FDR-style power grab and expand SCOTUS or anything like that. But he's also made it clear he's not going to roll over and be the usual spineless wimp that the right wants in their Democrats. It's an election year and he's going to name names and he's going to fight.

That's the point. And it's a good thing.

374 freetoken  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:38:55pm

re: #372 SanFranciscoZionist

They got around.

Well, it was cold at home.

375 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:38:59pm

re: #361 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but its CNN, not Fox News. Even a decent news site picks up that kind of filth now.

I don't know what to do. I brought up Weasel Zipper's crap before. If he won't take that shit down it's still not a reflection of me. I though maybe he would say, "thanks, damn that shit is fucked up I'll delete it and even though I still hate your guts thanks again." People aren't even like that anymore.

I'm not naive enough to think I'm going to change the internet either. I've complained to anonymous and OWS about an anti-Semitic AIPAC protest cartoon and Tweeted it to SPLC and the ADL. And directly to them several times. They all ignored me.

So with Weasel Zippers he eventually blows me off and claims that either I or Kilgore planted those comments. Then he says something about me having a crush on Charles. A couple of other right-wingers get on my case. So. I gave up. But I still made my case.

376 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:40:31pm

re: #372 SanFranciscoZionist

They got down into Africa as well, and of course, out to North America, although they didn't do a ton with that.

They got around.

They called black Africans, when they encountered them 'blue men', 'blue' in this case meaning 'dark'.

377 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:42:17pm

re: #372 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a reason why some people think the Maliki School of Sharia Law influenced English Common Law. The Normans yanked away Muslim Sicily (yes, it was part of a Caliphate at one point in time). This was before their seizure of England. Not to mention that, given Geography, England had anomalously strong relationships the the Muslim Caliphates. I'm not entirely sure why.

Fun fact. Only the Arab Caliphates were able to have a consistent record of throwing back the Vikings. Iran even had issues

378 freetoken  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:42:26pm

Speaking of ancient ancestors, this coming Thursday National Geographic Channel is going to show their new documentary
"Sex in the Stone Age":

Is it possible early modern man interbred with other types of humans, creating an entirely new hybrid person? Sex in the Stone Age delves into an evolutionary mystery that could revolutionize our understanding of who our ancestors really were. Ancient human fragments are found in Siberia, and DNA testing shows that they are neither a Neanderthal nor a modern human, but another human group previously unknown to science.

John Hawks, who has a bit part in the show, captured the promo-image (see here.)

Yeah, no sensationalism there, huh?

Anyway, besides the sensationalism I have some other objections to that image. Anyone want to guess?

379 Amory Blaine  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:42:53pm

I have to say I'm not really surprised at the equating of Nazis with a civil rights group. Teachers are thugs don'tcha know.

380 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:43:17pm

re: #378 freetoken

Speaking of ancient ancestors, this coming Thursday National Geographic Channel is going to show their new documentary
"Sex in the Stone Age":

John Hawks, who has a bit part in the show, captured the promo-image (see here.)

Yeah, no sensationalism there, huh?

Anyway, besides the sensationalism I have some other objections to that image. Anyone want to guess?

Mongo disapprove.

381 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:43:36pm

re: #373 Lidane

Obama's not going to try to make an FDR-style power grab and expand SCOTUS or anything like that. But he's also made it clear he's not going to roll over and be the usual spineless wimp that the right wants in their Democrats. It's an election year and he's going to name names and he's going to fight.

That's the point. And it's a good thing.

That I have no problem with. Let him bring his arguments. We shall bring ours as well. And then it will be seen which side can convince the greater number of the voting public.

382 Mocking Jay  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:45:12pm

re: #377 ProGunLiberal

There's a reason why some people think the Maliki School of Sharia Law influenced English Common Law. The Normans yanked away Muslim Sicily (yes, it was part of a Caliphate at one point in time). This was before their seizure of England. Not to mention that, given Geography, England had anomalously strong relationships the the Muslim Caliphates. I'm not entirely sure why.

Fun fact. Only the Arab Caliphates were able to have a consistent record of throwing back the Vikings. Iran even had issues

Anyone who's seen True Romance knows that Sicily was once Muslim. :)

(Awesome scene, by the way.)

383 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:45:18pm

re: #380 Varek Raith

Mongo disapprove.

Mongo just pawn in sick evolutionist plot to destroy Real America.

384 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:46:17pm

re: #382 Altar Boy of Darwinism

Anyone who's seen True Romance knows that Sicily was once Muslim. :)

(Awesome scene, by the way.)

Sicily was everything for at least forty-five minutes.

385 Mocking Jay  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:46:37pm

re: #381 Dark_Falcon

That I have no problem with. Let him bring his arguments. We shall bring ours as well. And then it will be seen which side can convince the greater number of the voting public.

What's your argument, again?

386 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:49:34pm

re: #375 Gus

Then he says something about me having a crush on Charles.

Hurr, ur ghey!

387 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:51:33pm

re: #386 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Hurr, ur ghey!

NO U

388 Mocking Jay  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:53:10pm

re: #387 Varek Raith

NO U

u mad, bro?

389 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:55:57pm

re: #386 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Hurr, ur ghey!

Derp! True story.

390 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:56:42pm

re: #377 ProGunLiberal

I should add an addendum to the Caliphate thing:

The Caliphate initially got jumped from behind, so to speak. In the 840's several attacks began. Quadalqavir fell to the Vikings, and advanced inland, raiding Lisbon, and attack Seville before the Muslim Armies got their footing and thumped them. The next decade, a small Moroccan State named Nekor was raided, and the king there was forced to give a ransom to get his harem back. But within a few decades, a competent navy was formed and the problems stopped.

The Christian regions of Iberia at the time didn't fair as well. They ended up having chronic attempts long after the Arabs and Moors pushed back against my ancestors, and the Vikings actually ended up settling a town in Northern Portugal.

As an addendum, the other portion of dad's side is Frisian. Their power was broken by my other ancestors. My ancestry, my mom's and dad's combined. Have been on both sides of most European Wars for about the 1,000 years.

391 Kragar  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:56:42pm

re: #389 Gus

Derp! True story.

You don't say!

392 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:56:49pm

re: #388 Oblivious Troll

u mad, bro?

Image: 4f35923e34365_bitch-please.png

393 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:57:16pm

re: #382 Oblivious Troll

Anyone who's seen True Romance knows that Sicily was once Muslim. :)

That, or Clifford Worley can become spectacularly gifted at concealing pantomime under great pressure.
/

394 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 9:57:50pm

re: #391 Kragar

You don't say!

[Flips Kragar the finger.]

//

395 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:00:03pm

re: #394 Gus

That only increases his appetite for more fingers. Try flipping him some shit.

396 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:02:37pm

I'm out.

397 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:02:45pm

re: #395 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

That only increases his appetite for more fingers. Try flipping him some shit.

Rocks? No! Wait! Gravel.

398 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:03:05pm

re: #397 Gus

Rocks? No! Wait! Gravel.

Praise be to Gravel!

//

399 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:03:41pm

re: #396 Varek Raith

I'm out.

Dude, we all knew already. NTTAWWT!

400 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:03:48pm

re: #398 Targetpractice

Praise be to Gravel!

//

Damn those penguins.

401 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:04:36pm

re: #397 Gus

THOU SHALT NOT TOSS GRAVEL BEFORE BLOODY SWINE!!!
///

402 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:05:32pm

re: #401 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

THOU SHALT NOT TOSS GRAVEL BEFORE BLOODY SWINE!!!
///

I've been very respectful of Easter and I won't start now! //

403 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:10:37pm

re: #402 Gus

I've been very respectful of Easter and I won't start now! //

The fuck does Easter have to do with The Great Gravelly One?

I'm afraid I must contact our local Pebble Pastor and urge him to investigate you for crimes of heresy.

404 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:14:47pm

re: #403 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

The fuck does Easter have to do with The Great Gravelly One?

I'm afraid I must contact our local Pebble Pastor and urge him to investigate you for crimes of heresy.

I don't know. Just sitting around thinking and complaining about Jesus. Nothing I can do so I just sit back and watch. Most people just go on drinking their beer and shopping at Best Buy.

405 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:20:27pm

re: #404 Gus

Oh please, you're tithing and you know it.

406 Lidane  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:20:30pm

re: #388 Oblivious Troll

u mad, bro?

Image: umadbrah.jpg

407 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:21:52pm

re: #405 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Oh please, you're tithing and you know it.

[Embedded content]

It's true. I'm ovulating and listening to Neil Young.

408 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:22:57pm

Goodnight, all.

409 freetoken  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:23:55pm

Over at The Dispersal of Darwin they noticed that the American version of the trailer for Pirates! Band of Misfits:

Doesn't mention the name of one of the characters, though he is shown briefly. However, the UK version of the trailer is a musical version that introduces that character:

The name of the character? Oh, it's Charles Darwin. And it's not just a throw away character either, as the voice is provided by one David Tennant.

Looking at the written description that the releasing studio (Sony) has on Youtube, here is the one for the American version:

Hugh Grant, starring in his first animated role, is the luxuriantly bearded Pirate Captain -- a boundlessly enthusiastic, if somewhat less-than-successful, terror of the High Seas. With a rag-tag crew at his side (Martin Freeman, Brendan Gleeson, Russell Tovey, and Ashley Jensen), and seemingly blind to the impossible odds stacked against him, the Captain has one dream: to beat his bitter rivals Black Bellamy (Jeremy Piven) and Cutlass Liz (Salma Hayek) to the much coveted Pirate Of The Year Award. It's a quest that takes our heroes from the shores of exotic Blood Island to the foggy streets of Victorian London. Along the way they battle a diabolical queen (Imelda Staunton) and team up with a haplessly smitten young scientist (David Tennant), but never lose sight of what a pirate loves best: adventure! The Pirates! Band of Misfits trailer 2012 official movie trailer, courtesy Columbia Pictures.

And here is the UK version description:

In The Pirates! In an Adventure with Scientists, Hugh Grant stars in his first animated role as the luxuriantly bearded Pirate Captain -- a boundlessly enthusiastic, if somewhat less-than-successful, terror of the High Seas. With a rag-tag crew at his side (Martin Freeman, Brendan Gleeson, Russell Tovey, and Ashley Jensen), and seemingly blind to the impossible odds stacked against him, the Captain has one dream: to beat his bitter rivals Black Bellamy (Jeremy Piven) and Cutlass Liz (Salma Hayek) to the much coveted Pirate Of The Year Award. It's a quest that takes our heroes from the shores of exotic Blood Island to the foggy streets of Victorian London. Along the way they do battle with the pirate-hating Queen Victoria (Imelda Staunton) and team up with a young Charles Darwin (David Tennant), but never lose sight of what a pirate loves best: adventure!

Notice the difference?

This is America, and Sony Pictures knows it.

410 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:26:43pm

re: #407 Gus

Damn, that must burn something fierce.

411 freetoken  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:27:42pm

In fact, Sony even changed the name of the movie.

In the UK the movie is titled: The Pirates! In an Adventure with Scientists

But in the US Sony titles it: The Pirates! Band of Misfits

This is America, and Sony Pictures knows it.

412 Gus  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:27:55pm

re: #410 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Damn, that must burn something fierce.

It's a Canadian thing. Might as well be French.

//

413 Kragar  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:36:41pm

re: #411 freetoken

In fact, Sony even changed the name of the movie.

In the UK the movie is titled: The Pirates! In an Adventure with Scientists

But in the US Sony titles it: The Pirates! Band of Misfits

This is America, and Sony Pictures knows it.

The movie Pirate Radio, in the UK was billed for the great ensemble cast it had put together.

The US trailers made it sound like the movie was just about Philip Seymour Hoffman's character coming to save the day.

Notice a slight difference?

414 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:44:05pm

re: #412 Gus

I tell you what, those hot links I had this afternoon are starting to burn something fierce. Damn, but it's hard to say no to good food.

415 freetoken  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:52:07pm

re: #413 Kragar

Oh yes, the US version trailer emphasizes it was an American, acting in a revolutionary way against the Brits, sort of a play on the idea of revolutionary war.

Media companies always tailor their products to attract their target audiences, if they want to maximize their sales.

416 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:07:43pm

re: #415 freetoken

Media companies always tailor their products to attract their target audiences, if they want to maximize their sales.

Bullshit.
/

417 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Apr 9, 2012 2:50:42am

re: #286 Gus

Hilarious. Getting another derpity do saying "Killgore did it!" Apparently, this time we were sneaky enough to plant said comment linking to New Nation News and waiting for the right time to reveal it! Derpity do! Killgore is one busy man. But now apparently this right-wing conspiracy is expanding to include a whole network of super-stealthy liberal plants from Little Green Footballs!

Whew.

He's the LGF Kilroy. He's been everywhere!

418 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Apr 9, 2012 3:03:38am

re: #358 freetoken

The sure got around during those few centuries - from founding lines of rulers in the east (the real Czars) to taking over Normandy and from there Britain (which they invaded at least three different ways over the centuries - back in Roman times, then directly in the dark ages, then the Normans.)

I commented once to a docent at the Jorvik Viking Museum in York that the Harrying of the North was essentially one group of Viking descendants trampling on another set of Viking descendants. And got a stupendous glare from her - but she also didn't deny it.

419 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:29:41am

I don't think this could have been a mistake or just 'lazy journalism'. I think we'll see more of this sort of thing on Fox in future.

If the liberals can call the Black Panthers 'social activists' and such like then we can do this. We're just applying what seems to be the accepted standard.

420 Mattand  Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:19:49am

Apologies if it's been covered already but it looks like Fox 35 shit canned the comments on their updated story/Nazi promo piece. When I was there last night, about 20 people (including myself) had commented.

I managed to work in a link to this post in my comment. Mostly, it was people who got that Fox 35 screwed up. There was one link to a Breitbart post saying something along the lines of "No Nazis actually patrolling", and one nimrod complaining about the "danger" of the New Black Panthers.

421 jamesfirecat  Mon, Apr 9, 2012 3:40:35pm

re: #385 Oblivious Troll

What's your argument, again?

The thing we've been putting forward as a healthcare plan for over ten years now is really unconstitutional and we never got around to noticing it till now, our bad....

422 CriticalDragon1177  Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:36:03pm

Charles Johnson,

I agree, these guys will be violating people's civil rights, not protecting them. Does Fox News not know what National Socialist means?


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