Overnight Video: Congi - Somnium
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1 | Kragar Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:47:45pm |
All I know is I dreamed I was being chased by some huge growling monster last night that sounded exactly like my wife's snoring which woke me up.
2 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Apr 8, 2012 10:59:16pm |
re: #1 Kragar
When the garbage men came through the alley earlier this week, snatching up the dumpsters with their hydraulic claws, I dreamt I was on a the deck of a ship, loading and stacking giant, metal freight containers.
3 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:03:06pm |
Speaking of whacked out dreams and unusual music videos...
4 | ReamWorks SKG Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:05:51pm |
Mad Men was in fine form tonight! I'm so glad this show's back.
And if you want backstory, read about Richard Speck
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
5 | Mocking Jay Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:23:04pm |
re: #4 ReamWorks
Mad Men was in fine form tonight! I'm so glad this show's back.
And if you want backstory, read about Richard Speck
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
I was happy to see Joanie's reaction.
6 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:29:41pm |
Okay, confession time...
I've been seeing this gal for a while now. She's funny (in a dorky way), intelligent, and quite good looking. Way better looking than me, anyway. We have just enough in common to spark interest, but not so much that we bore each other with a "sameness".
At any rate, things started getting serious between us, in that way, and we decided to do that thing adults like to do when they're, you know, naked.
Then things got real awkward. She tried to reassure me by saying "Honey, a small penis should not be a problem in a loving relationship."
Still, I wish she didn't have one./
7 | Shvaughn Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:41:03pm |
re: #6 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
Downding for transphobic joke.
8 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:43:23pm |
re: #7 Shvaughn
Downding for your complete disregard for hermaphrodites.
9 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:45:36pm |
At any rate, I did not intend to be an asshole, and I offer my apologies.
10 | Shvaughn Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:46:55pm |
re: #9 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
Ok, accepted and thank you for the apology.
11 | ProGunLiberal Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:56:00pm |
I have had an Islam related question that has been nagging me since before I converted.
How will Space-Faring Brothers and Sisters pray towards Mecca, especially if we colonize other planets?
12 | Shvaughn Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:56:04pm |
Emanuel Cleaver says there's no GOP war on women:
Later on the same show, Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-MO), the chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus and an influential African-American voice, strongly pushed back on his own party’s line of attack.
When Clever, a United Methodist pastor, lit into the GOP’s claim that President Obama is anti-religion, social conservative Ralph Reed retorted, “Congressman, is it similarly wrong, then, for Democrats to say that the Republican Party is engaged in a war on women? Is that wrong?”
“Yes, that is wrong. And I’ve never said it, not one time,” Cleaver responded. “I condemn it. If it’s a Democrat, if it’s my cousin, it’s wrong.”
“We have got to quit exaggerating our political differences,” he said.
Easy for him, a man, to say that.
13 | Shvaughn Sun, Apr 8, 2012 11:57:32pm |
re: #11 ProGunLiberal
I have had an Islam related question that has been nagging me since before I converted.
How will Space-Faring Brothers and Sisters pray towards Mecca, especially if we colonize other planets?
I imagine that by such time, computerized instruments would have been created to tell you in which direction Earth lies at any given time and date.
14 | Lidane Mon, Apr 9, 2012 12:17:06am |
re: #12 Shvaughn
Emanuel Cleaver says there's no GOP war on women:
Easy for him, a man, to say that.
Funny how three Republican women disagree with him:
Murkowski Becomes Third Republican Senator To Criticize GOP’s War On Women
The men in the Republican Party may not think they’re fighting a “war on women,” but its female senators certainly do. Yesterday, Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) joined Sens. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) and Kay Bailey Hutchison in criticizing the GOP’s push for legislation to restrict access to contraception and other basic health care services.
16 | Kragar Mon, Apr 9, 2012 12:22:33am |
re: #11 ProGunLiberal
I have had an Islam related question that has been nagging me since before I converted.
How will Space-Faring Brothers and Sisters pray towards Mecca, especially if we colonize other planets?
You mean original Mecca or New Mecca?
17 | ProGunLiberal Mon, Apr 9, 2012 12:31:46am |
re: #16 Kragar
Funny. Mecca in the Hijaz of course.
18 | Kragar Mon, Apr 9, 2012 12:37:31am |
re: #17 ProGunLiberal
Funny. Mecca in the Hijaz of course.
Probably just aim for Sol then, once you're out of the solar system.
19 | freetoken Mon, Apr 9, 2012 1:14:22am |
Working through the recently released 1940 Census data, tracked down a possible candidate for the mysterious grandfather, who had not moved out of the town in which the 1930 Census placed him. The Censuses (Censi ?) says a daughter was born in California, but I've not been able to locate any other data for her. I suspect the patriarchal system of women changing surnames has something to do with it.
Definitely fits the idea of a "needle in a haystack".
21 | researchok Mon, Apr 9, 2012 1:26:15am |
23 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 3:04:51am |
24 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 3:13:09am |
re: #11 ProGunLiberal
I have had an Islam related question that has been nagging me since before I converted.
How will Space-Faring Brothers and Sisters pray towards Mecca, especially if we colonize other planets?
There will be an i-phone app for that. Plus at interplanetary distances I assume just pointing oneself towards Earth will be sufficient. And at interstellar distances you probably just need to be oriented towards Sol.
Of course, if humanity and Islam last long enough I presume Mecca will get a spindizzy and be mobile before Sol goes red giant and eats the inner planets. At that point it might be more problematic.
25 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 3:15:59am |
26 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 3:18:58am |
Good morning Lizards. Cup of tea and some toast before heading to work.
Contemplating things for an upcoming RPG campaign. Running the Arthurian stuff myself this time. Current thought process is how to take the fun and games of the Stuart line* and cram it in as local politics of the earldom for a section of England in a time that never really existed.
* - Roughly looking at the English crown succession from Charles II through the Hanovers coming in. You get a bunch of players, and practically all of them held the title for at least a short period of time.
27 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 3:19:47am |
re: #25 Obdicut
This is one of my cats:
For a derp deposit area I thought it would have some sand or litter for the cat's convenience.
;)
28 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 3:30:02am |
re: #27 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
For a derp deposit area I thought it would have some sand or litter for the cat's convenience.
;)
That's why he looks puzzled.
29 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 3:33:14am |
re: #28 Johnny Derp
That's why he looks puzzled.
That's his normal expression, one of belligerent stupidity. He's one of the more inventively stupid cats I've ever known. He loves the smell of bleach and will roll around in it. He gets into states where, for months at a time, he'll only clean a one-inch square of his fur on his left shoulder.
30 | freetoken Mon, Apr 9, 2012 3:36:00am |
re: #11 ProGunLiberal
How will Space-Faring Brothers and Sisters pray towards Mecca, especially if we colonize other planets?
re: #24 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
There will be an i-phone app for that. Plus at interplanetary distances I assume just pointing oneself towards Earth will be sufficient. And at interstellar distances you probably just need to be oriented towards Sol.
With few exceptions, popular SciFi movies/tv shows do not try to tackle the problem of interstellar and especially intergalactic navigation. Star Trek over the years had a couple of episodes, in TNG, that played with it, but even they usually ignored it.
The reason is because, well, it's hard.
You see, there is no there there, wherever "there" is.
First, there are no absolute directions in universe. Secondly, everything is moving, relative to everything else. Thirdly, the speed of light is finite, and even if one could travel FTL, any image one collected for mapping would be formed from light, which travels of course only at the speed of light.
So, even if you could pop on over to the other side of the galaxy instantly, if you looked "back" and tried to figure out where our solar system "was" by taking a picture you'd be looking at the state of this side of the galaxy that was tens of thousands of years old.
And, almost all scifi shows, and even many science "documentaries", portray galaxies incorrectly. E.g., they show a spiral galaxy spinning, with the arms dragging around like one would see some batter in a bowl being stirred by a spoon. Well, guess what, it doesn't work like that. The arms of spiral galaxies arise more like traffic jams. Each star is moving in its own direction, and over many thousands of years the cumulative effect of the masses of stars around it changes it course.
Like I said, it's all very complicated and solving the N-body problem is hard enough with just a handful of celestial bodies.
So, unless our intrepid space traveller stays real close to our solar system, say within a few tens of light years, close enough so looking "back" at our Sun one would see a background field of stars so arranged so that our recognized "constellations" can still sort of be made out (for at least the more distant background stars), then that space traveller would truly be Lost In Space.
31 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 3:40:04am |
re: #29 Obdicut
He looks pretty clean and sparkly ;)
32 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 3:42:02am |
re: #31 Johnny Derp
He looks pretty clean and sparkly ;)
We bathe him. Which is hilarious, and usually non-lethal.
33 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 3:55:57am |
re: #30 freetoken
re: #24 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
With few exceptions, popular SciFi movies/tv shows do not try to tackle the problem of interstellar and especially intergalactic navigation. Star Trek over the years had a couple of episodes, in TNG, that played with it, but even they usually ignored it.
The reason is because, well, it's hard.
You see, there is no there there, wherever "there" is.
First, there are no absolute directions in universe. Secondly, everything is moving, relative to everything else. Thirdly, the speed of light is finite, and even if one could travel FTL, any image one collected for mapping would be formed from light, which travels of course only at the speed of light.
So, even if you could pop on over to the other side of the galaxy instantly, if you looked "back" and tried to figure out where our solar system "was" by taking a picture you'd be looking at the state of this side of the galaxy that was tens of thousands of years old.
And, almost all scifi shows, and even many science "documentaries", portray galaxies incorrectly. E.g., they show a spiral galaxy spinning, with the arms dragging around like one would see some batter in a bowl being stirred by a spoon. Well, guess what, it doesn't work like that. The arms of spiral galaxies arise more like traffic jams. Each star is moving in its own direction, and over many thousands of years the cumulative effect of the masses of stars around it changes it course.
Like I said, it's all very complicated and solving the N-body problem is hard enough with just a handful of celestial bodies.
So, unless our intrepid space traveller stays real close to our solar system, say within a few tens of light years, close enough so looking "back" at our Sun one would see a background field of stars so arranged so that our recognized "constellations" can still sort of be made out (for at least the more distant background stars), then that space traveller would truly be Lost In Space.
Once you bring FTL travel in and intragalactic distances in everything changes. Though I note that some SF stories have made the navigation issues part of the plots. Destroying star charts to prevent someone back-tracing their origin point, the use or creation of beacons that can act as waypoints, etc.
34 | freetoken Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:02:20am |
re: #33 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Once you bring FTL travel in and intragalactic distances in everything changes. Though I note that some SF stories have made the navigation issues part of the plots.
I've not seen any movies that tackle this. Are you talking about printed (short stories or novels) material?
35 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:05:52am |
re: #34 freetoken
I've not seen any movies that tackle this. Are you talking about printed (short stories or novels) material?
Yes.
The general quality of SF movies in comparison to the written form is quite poor.
36 | freetoken Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:12:23am |
re: #35 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
The general quality of SF movies in comparison to the written form is quite poor.
Sadly true. I suspect the emphasis on the visual action keeps any time spent (on screen) in contemplation mode to a minimum. It's a general weakness of cinema, and when films are intentionally made to break that (say My Dinner With Andre) they get automatically confined to being "art films".
Even great SciFi films that are morality tales, say Soylent Green, get loaded with action sequences. 2001 is considered boring by modern standards.
37 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:12:52am |
re: #24 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
There will be an i-phone app for that. Plus at interplanetary distances I assume just pointing oneself towards Earth will be sufficient. And at interstellar distances you probably just need to be oriented towards Sol.
Of course, if humanity and Islam last long enough I presume Mecca will get a spindizzy and be mobile before Sol goes red giant and eats the inner planets. At that point it might be more problematic.
Upding for Blish's sake.
38 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:18:15am |
re: #36 freetoken
Sadly true. I suspect the emphasis on the visual action keeps any time spent (on screen) in contemplation mode to a minimum. It's a general weakness of cinema, and when films are intentionally made to break that (say My Dinner With Andre) they get automatically confined to being "art films".
Even great SciFi films that are morality tales, say Soylent Green, get loaded with action sequences. 2001 is considered boring by modern standards.
90 minute movie length roughly lets you do a screen implementation of a short story of short novella. So unless the navigation issue is a central plot point of the story the odds are it won't be brought up. Unless it's something of a McGuffin to get a plot going. (Case in point is a Harry Harrison short story where the character is on a planet to repair a beacon - which evolved natives have unintentionally damaged. The beacon is there to provide the interaction point. Why it exists is simply covered in passing in a few sentences.)
39 | freetoken Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:22:09am |
re: #38 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Some of the B5 episodes used the plot device of not correct or missing navigation/beacons in the special dimension of their hyperspace travel. But it was only a plot device, not an attempt to solve a science problem.
40 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:26:12am |
re: #39 freetoken
I think part of your conundrum is artificial; the limit of the speed of light as information in a society where some sort of FTL travel is possible ignores the possibility that that FTL travel medium can also carry information. I mean, obviously FTL on its own is fiction, but once you've established that, why restrict yourself to light as a carrier of information?
In the Culture novels by Ian M. Banks, for example, ships scan through the 'hyper' and 'ultra' spaces in order to get information, for which the gobbledegook explanation is that they have no real physical dimensions anyway.
41 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:26:58am |
re: #39 freetoken
Some of the B5 episodes used the plot device of not correct or missing navigation/beacons in the special dimension of their hyperspace travel. But it was only a plot device, not an attempt to solve a science problem.
Which is one of the SF solutions to the problem. Have beacons/known navigation points that exist in the hyperspace/transport dimension the FTL works with.
Other FTL systems in SF works involve "jump points" which are fairly fixed points that jump to other fixed points. And an often off-stage part of the set-up is that there are services/explorers/expeditions out attempting to find and map new points on the network. And I remember at least one instance where it was mentioned that a major challenge was figuring out where the far point of a jump actually was located.
43 | freetoken Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:30:50am |
re: #41 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Other FTL systems in SF works involve "jump points" which are fairly fixed points that jump to other fixed points.
That's one of the problems - there are not "fixed" points in space! That's why it's not a solution, even assuming the existence of something called "hyperspace".
45 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:34:48am |
re: #40 Obdicut
I think part of your conundrum is artificial; the limit of the speed of light as information in a society where some sort of FTL travel is possible ignores the possibility that that FTL travel medium can also carry information. I mean, obviously FTL on its own is fiction, but once you've established that, why restrict yourself to light as a carrier of information?
In the Culture novels by Ian M. Banks, for example, ships scan through the 'hyper' and 'ultra' spaces in order to get information, for which the gobbledegook explanation is that they have no real physical dimensions anyway.
I've played mentally with "neo-retro' plot gimmicks in which FTL ships become the fastest available means of communication, as in the days of sailing ships. A second example would be the need to re-streamline ships against interstellar dust and gas, as the ships become really fast.
46 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:38:53am |
re: #45 Decatur Deb
The Dan Simmons Hyperion novels are actually highly concerned with all this, but it devolves into metaphysics by the end of it.
But there is an interesting look at the universe changing from a place where instantaneous teleportation is possible to, after a technological crash, a place where 'just' FTL travel, with the accordant downsides, is available, but immortality is also present.
47 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:39:39am |
re: #46 Obdicut
The Dan Simmons Hyperion novels are actually highly concerned with all this, but it devolves into metaphysics by the end of it.
But there is an interesting look at the universe changing from a place where instantaneous teleportation is possible to, after a technological crash, a place where 'just' FTL travel, with the accordant downsides, is available, but immortality is also present.
New author to me--will look him up.
48 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:40:08am |
re: #47 Decatur Deb
New author to me--will look him up.
Very good, quite flawed, but very good. Have you read Ian M. Banks?
49 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:43:27am |
re: #47 Decatur Deb
And if you you like horror-- all of Dan Simmons books are somewhat horror, even if they're sci-fi-- but his book Carrion Comfort is the best horror novel I've ever read. It's unforgiving.
50 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:44:17am |
Joe the Plumber Blows a Gasket on CNN
False person from A to Z.
51 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:44:32am |
re: #48 Obdicut
Very good, quite flawed, but very good. Have you read Ian M. Banks?
Nope--these guys sound too modern for me. My tastes were laid down in the '50s space operas. One of my favorite neo-retro stories involved colonization of an Earth-like planet in serious need of taming. When the immigrant ship dropped its ramp, a string of Amish horse-drawn agricultural vehicles rolled off.
52 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:49:59am |
re: #50 Johnny Derp
Joe the Plumber Blows a Gasket on CNN
False person from A to Z.
I've always thought that the encounter between Candidate Obama and JtP was too good to be anything but a Rovian set-up. Can't for the life of me explain how it could be pulled off without some very paranoid skullduggery.
53 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:50:15am |
re: #51 Decatur Deb
Ian M. Banks is both grandiose and subtle as a motherfucker. He normally concerns himself with a few interesting characters against a backdrop of holy-crap insane galactic blammo. I'd give him a shot-- his writing skills alone are awesome. Start out with Consider Phlebas, it'll give you a good idea of what sort of novelist Banks is: the hero of that novel is the enemy of the civilization that is the 'hero' of the series.
And Bank's starships have AIs running them, and so of course they name themselves things like It's Character Forming and Death and Gravity.
54 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:51:20am |
re: #52 Decatur Deb
I think it's just a factor of iteration; memetically program enough assholes to gibber the same crap, and you'll eventually get that meetup. It's important to remember Joe was lying during that encounter about most of the facts of his situation.
55 | freetoken Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:51:20am |
BTW, that 1960 paper is legit. The USAF ION had many interesting presentations at their conferences in that year:
[Link: www.ion.org...]
56 | freetoken Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:52:32am |
And to think, here we are 52 years later without a manned space program.
How the mighty are cut down.
I wonder what those nav folk back in 1960 would think of us now.
57 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:54:56am |
re: #53 Obdicut
Ian M. Banks is both grandiose and subtle as a motherfucker. He normally concerns himself with a few interesting characters against a backdrop of holy-crap insane galactic blammo. I'd give him a shot-- his writing skills alone are awesome. Start out with Consider Phlebas, it'll give you a good idea of what sort of novelist Banks is: the hero of that novel is the enemy of the civilization that is the 'hero' of the series.
And Bank's starships have AIs running them, and so of course they name themselves things like It's Character Forming and Death and Gravity.
Will check him out. For a very early example of an AI 'running' a doomed ship, find Harry Martinson's poem Aniara.
Cordwainer Smith's Lady Who Sailed the 'Soul' still might be the finest SF story. Both men had very atypical non-writing lives.
59 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 4:59:32am |
re: #56 freetoken
And to think, here we are 52 years later without a manned space program.
How the mighty are cut down.
I wonder what those nav folk back in 1960 would think of us now.
Not sure being temporarily earth-bound is that big a set-back. The Mars crawlers and asteroid missions might show we are getting smarter than packing Spam-in-a-can.
60 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 5:01:00am |
re: #57 Decatur Deb
Will check him out. For a very early example of an AI 'running' a doomed ship, find Harry Martinson's poem Aniara.
Cordwainer Smith's Lady Who Sailed the 'Soul' still might be the finest SF story. Both men had very atypical non-writing lives.
"Retro" where travel can go FTL but communications is still SOL is not that uncommon. It's often a way to bring in old pre-radio/telegraph concepts like courier ships, mail packets, etc. and apply them to a SF setting. An example of this (in combination with limited FTL travel distance in a single "jump") is the old (70s) Traveler RPG setting.
Set this against the development of an "ansible" - FTL communication in a STL transportation network. I believe Orson Scott Card's Ender series has this sort of set-up going for the most part.
And I recommend Banks as well. Very interesting backgrounds, characters that grow on you, and he delivers sense of wonder IMO as well.
61 | Renaissance_Man Mon, Apr 9, 2012 5:01:13am |
re: #50 Johnny Derp
Joe the Plumber Blows a Gasket on CNN
False person from A to Z.
This act of getting angry at the liberal media when they ask you about your own statements is getting very tiresome. Especially when the only 'real problem' that you want to rant about is that there's a Democrat in the White House.
62 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 5:04:31am |
re: #57 Decatur Deb
Will check him out. For a very early example of an AI 'running' a doomed ship, find Harry Martinson's poem Aniara.
Cordwainer Smith's Lady Who Sailed the 'Soul' still might be the finest SF story. Both men had very atypical non-writing lives.
Oh yes--Aniara is hard to find now, old English-language copies go for big bucks on Amazon. There are large chunks scattered around the 'net. It was done as a literal 'space opera' with electronic music in the '50s. The Stockholm State Theatre mounted it as a 'space rock opera' last year.
Lady is novella-sized, in a lot of collections and on the 'net IIRC. It carries more emotional impact than any SF I've read. (And the heroine chooses a philosophical-based abortion, in the 1950s.)
63 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 5:13:56am |
re: #60 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
"Retro" where travel can go FTL but communications is still SOL is not that uncommon. It's often a way to bring in old pre-radio/telegraph concepts like courier ships, mail packets, etc. and apply them to a SF setting. An example of this (in combination with limited FTL travel distance in a single "jump") is the old (70s) Traveler RPG setting.
Set this against the development of an "ansible" - FTL communication in a STL transportation network. I believe Orson Scott Card's Ender series has this sort of set-up going for the most part.
And I recommend Banks as well. Very interesting backgrounds, characters that grow on you, and he delivers sense of wonder IMO as well.
The morning is turning into a library disaster--more reading assignments than I started with.
64 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 5:14:11am |
re: #61 Renaissance_Man
At least governor Sarah Palin was governor Sarah Palin. Joe the Plumber is neither Joe, nor a plumber.
65 | freetoken Mon, Apr 9, 2012 5:15:21am |
re: #64 Johnny Derp
At least governor Sarah Palin was governor Sara Palin. Joe the Plumber is neither Joe, nor a plumber.
Did he make the "the" qualification?
66 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 5:19:58am |
Sun is up, and my illiterate dog has his own agenda. BBL.
67 | kirkspencer Mon, Apr 9, 2012 5:22:07am |
Since FTL is universe-breaking magic, quibbling about navigation becomes arguing about the icing.
though at least it's not STvSW.
68 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 5:26:34am |
re: #67 kirkspencer
Since FTL is universe-breaking magic, quibbling about navigation becomes arguing about the icing.
though at least it's not STvSW.
A small portion of our star-faring descendants will refuse to believe they could ever have evolved from anything as primitive as us.
69 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 5:28:21am |
70 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 5:33:24am |
re: #67 kirkspencer
Since FTL is universe-breaking magic, quibbling about navigation becomes arguing about the icing.
though at least it's not STvSW.
That's like arguing whether Wagon Train was better than 30s western movie seriels...
;)
71 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 5:35:43am |
72 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 5:43:04am |
re: #62 Decatur Deb
Oh yes--Aniara is hard to find now, old English-language copies go for big bucks on Amazon. There are large chunks scattered around the 'net. It was done as a literal 'space opera' with electronic music in the '50s. The Stockholm State Theatre mounted it as a 'space rock opera' last year.
Lady is novella-sized, in a lot of collections and on the 'net IIRC. It carries more emotional impact than any SF I've read. (And the heroine chooses a philosophical-based abortion, in the 1950s.)
Cordwainer Smith is like getting a shot of absinthe after reading other SF stuff. Mindbending in its own subtle and non-subtle ways.
73 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 5:48:24am |
re: #71 Decatur Deb
We'll be lucky if the civilization survives the coming lack of resources.
74 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 5:54:47am |
re: #51 Decatur Deb
Nope--these guys sound too modern for me. My tastes were laid down in the '50s space operas. One of my favorite neo-retro stories involved colonization of an Earth-like planet in serious need of taming. When the immigrant ship dropped its ramp, a string of Amish horse-drawn agricultural vehicles rolled off.
Of course. Fodder-powered engines that self-reproduce and can be used as food in an emergency situation.
Ever read Poul Anderson's _The High Crusade_? The "primitives" found on a planet are not simpletons*.
* - And they also have a potential solution on how to control an interstellar empire with STL communications and limited interaction.
75 | Romantic Heretic Mon, Apr 9, 2012 6:04:01am |
I stopped dreaming sometime ago. They were always nightmares.
76 | Romantic Heretic Mon, Apr 9, 2012 6:06:27am |
re: #53 Obdicut
And Bank's starships have AIs running them, and so of course they name themselves things like It's Character Forming and Death and Gravity.
I remember one SF story where one of the spaceships was named Necessary Evil But Still Terribly Cool. Unfortunately that was the high point of the book.
77 | Romantic Heretic Mon, Apr 9, 2012 6:10:37am |
re: #33 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Once you bring FTL travel in and intragalactic distances in everything changes. Though I note that some SF stories have made the navigation issues part of the plots. Destroying star charts to prevent someone back-tracing their origin point, the use or creation of beacons that can act as waypoints, etc.
Like the rutters ships and pilots of sailing vessels used to keep. Lose those and good luck finding your way back. And if an enemy got ahold of it…
78 | Lidane Mon, Apr 9, 2012 6:12:03am |
Morning, Lizards!
Just for laughs, I went over to NRO to see if there's still ongoing fallout from Derbyshire getting canned, and sho'nuff, they deliver. Since NRO turned off comments on Rich Lowry's statements, readers at NRO have taken to other stories to express their outrage. For example:
[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]
Scanning the NRO comments, it turns out that John Hinderaker over at Powerline has torn into Derbyshire as well, calling his firing a case of better late than never:
[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]
The comments for the Powerline article are about what you'd expect.
79 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 6:20:55am |
re: #74 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Of course. Fodder-powered engines that self-reproduce and can be used as food in an emergency situation.
Ever read Poul Anderson's _The High Crusade_? The "primitives" found on a planet are not simpletons*.
* - And they also have a potential solution on how to control an interstellar empire with STL communications and limited interaction.
Loved the High Crusade. Pre-figures Lucas' stormtrooper-slaying furballs. Three Hearts and Three Lions is same era, same feel.
80 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 6:23:00am |
re: #73 Johnny Derp
We'll be lucky if the civilization survives the coming lack of resources.
We'll experience several near-extinctions in the next few hundred thousand years. The trick is to keep the libraries alive.
81 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 6:25:10am |
re: #80 Decatur Deb
We'll experience several near-extinctions in the next few hundred thousand years. The trick is to keep the libraries alive.
Zardoz!
;)
82 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 6:25:32am |
re: #80 Decatur Deb
Which reminds me: Also devolving into metaphysics but a good read, on that premise, is Anathem.
83 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 6:26:57am |
re: #82 Obdicut
Which reminds me: Also devolving into metaphysics but a good read, on that premise, is Anathem.
I was reading that while on vacation in Malaysia last summer. Jibed sympathetically with seeing temples and stuff there that included monks.
84 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 6:28:35am |
re: #82 Obdicut
Which reminds me: Also devolving into metaphysics but a good read, on that premise, is Anathem.
Typo or neologism? Hard to tell in the SF world.
85 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 6:29:28am |
86 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 6:29:39am |
And along these lines in past European history...
:)
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
I find Thomas Cahill a fun and informative read.
87 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 6:30:37am |
88 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 6:31:18am |
89 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 6:32:45am |
re: #85 Decatur Deb
A Canticle for Liebowitz.
A novel I both love and hate.
"You stupid bastards! You're going to just blow everything up again!"
(I also initially missed for years the meaning implied in the monk knocking the dust off his sandals as well.)
90 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 6:33:29am |
re: #89 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
A novel I both love and hate.
"You stupid bastards! You're going to just blow everything up again!"
(I also initially missed for years the meaning implied in the monk knocking the dust off his sandals as well.)
"It had hams as big as my thumb."
91 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Apr 9, 2012 6:48:47am |
So, my lap top says it's 8:48PM. The clock says it's 3:45am.
Where am I?
How is everyone where they are?
92 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Apr 9, 2012 6:49:53am |
re: #86 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
And along these lines in past European history...
:)[Link: www.amazon.com...]
I find Thomas Cahill a fun and informative read.
Yes, his book about the Jews was enjoyable as well. Think I"ve read/listened to 3 of his.
93 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Apr 9, 2012 6:52:41am |
ne·ol·o·gism noun nē-ˈä-lə-ˌji-zəm
D
efinition of NEOLOGISM
1
: a new word, usage, or expression
2
: a meaningless word coined by a psychotic
— ne·ol·o·gis·tic adjective
94 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 6:53:33am |
re: #91 ggt
So, my lap top says it's 8:48PM. The clock says it's 3:45am.
Where am I?
How is everyone where they are?
Aloha.
95 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 6:53:56am |
re: #91 ggt
So, my lap top says it's 8:48PM. The clock says it's 3:45am.
Where am I?
How is everyone where they are?
My phone says it's 9:52am. My laptop says it's 3:52pm. And my body internal clock is somewhere in-between.
The joys of being physically in the Eastern US and trying to operate on CET time. O_o
96 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Apr 9, 2012 6:56:32am |
re: #34 freetoken
I've not seen any movies that tackle this. Are you talking about printed (short stories or novels) material?
I thought it was talked about in the one Riddick movie?
97 | ReamWorks SKG Mon, Apr 9, 2012 6:58:20am |
re: #11 ProGunLiberal
[Link: www.wired.com...]
98 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:03:29am |
re: #95 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
My phone says it's 9:52am. My laptop says it's 3:52pm. And my body internal clock is somewhere in-between.
The joys of being physically in the Eastern US and trying to operate on CET time. O_o
yes, my days and nights are still a bit askew.
Probably will be for a week after I get home.
Maui for few days, then Honolulu. I quit trying to spell and pronounce the words here. You should hear how the GPS mangles them!
102 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:05:11am |
So they kid announced yesterday that it was "Zombie Jesus Day"
I immediately though to of Varek.
LOL
103 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:05:17am |
104 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:07:05am |
106 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:07:44am |
108 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:08:51am |
Awe. Poor wittle Mr. Goad...
“These days, “racist” is the favorite smear word for the ideologically intolerant.” -Jim Goad
109 | lawhawk Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:09:35am |
re: #34 freetoken
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy incorporates navigation problems with the infinite improbability drive as a means to get anywhere in the galaxy and circumventing the problems with FTL travel - all with introducing a new set of problems.
Now, get me to Magrathea.
110 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:09:52am |
111 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:10:01am |
First, they came for my n-word.
Then, they came for my slut word.
Soon after, all the racists were persecuted...
//
112 | Achilles Tang Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:10:36am |
re: #30 freetoken
re: #24 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
With few exceptions, popular SciFi movies/tv shows do not try to tackle the problem of interstellar and especially intergalactic navigation. Star Trek over the years had a couple of episodes, in TNG, that played with it, but even they usually ignored it.
The reason is because, well, it's hard.
You see, there is no there there, wherever "there" is.
First, there are no absolute directions in universe. Secondly, everything is moving, relative to everything else. Thirdly, the speed of light is finite, and even if one could travel FTL, any image one collected for mapping would be formed from light, which travels of course only at the speed of light.
So, even if you could pop on over to the other side of the galaxy instantly, if you looked "back" and tried to figure out where our solar system "was" by taking a picture you'd be looking at the state of this side of the galaxy that was tens of thousands of years old.
And, almost all scifi shows, and even many science "documentaries", portray galaxies incorrectly. E.g., they show a spiral galaxy spinning, with the arms dragging around like one would see some batter in a bowl being stirred by a spoon. Well, guess what, it doesn't work like that. The arms of spiral galaxies arise more like traffic jams. Each star is moving in its own direction, and over many thousands of years the cumulative effect of the masses of stars around it changes it course.
Like I said, it's all very complicated and solving the N-body problem is hard enough with just a handful of celestial bodies.
So, unless our intrepid space traveller stays real close to our solar system, say within a few tens of light years, close enough so looking "back" at our Sun one would see a background field of stars so arranged so that our recognized "constellations" can still sort of be made out (for at least the more distant background stars), then that space traveller would truly be Lost In Space.
I don't recall a story where that issue was explicitly discussed, but it seems to me that if one really had FTL, as in more or less instantaneous, then it would be a simple matter to send out mapping probes at increasing distances to map a galaxy in real time (returning the coordinates via FTL). One could probably easily handle 1000 light year jumps at a time without getting lost, and probably increasing jumps as the picture and star movements are built up. It shouldn't take long to do a galaxy, it seems to me.
113 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:13:03am |
114 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:13:08am |
There's a weird thing going on in San Francisco (shocker) with people grafting fruit-bearing limbs onto non-fruit-bearing trees. The city tries to keep the trees non-producing because falling fruit can create a walking hazard. The grafting bandits say that it's good to be able to eat the fruit of the tree.
[Link: www.npr.org...]
115 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:13:46am |
Ready?
These days, “racist” is the favorite smear word for the ideologically intolerant. When people ask me if I’m a “racist” I always ask them for their personal definition of that eternally shape-shifting and ever-expanding social construct. I then explain either why I am or am not a racist based solely on their definition. I also explain that I think the term itself is silly and ultimately meaningless, but it’s not a word that scares me like it appears to cause testicles to leap out of nutsacks and hit the floor running nationwide. But my interrogators—or, just as often, my accusers—hardly ever seem to be looking for explanations. They don’t even seem to know the difference between scientific inquiry and the Spanish Inquisition. Rather, they seem hell-bent on using a rusty knife to pry open my cold heart like a stubborn oyster shell to discover the boundlessly irrational primal HATE they are certain throbs inside. True believers that they are, they take it as an article of faith that evil lurks within the hearts of those who don’t think like they do, and goddamnit, they’re going to find it whether it’s there or not.
116 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:15:27am |
Wait! There's more!
With all this in mind, I have coined two new handy neologisms:
EGALITOTALITARIAN -n 1. One who believes the false concept of equality must be vigilantly enforced by rule of law, whether federal or that of posse comitatus.
EGALIANITY -n. 1. A strict religious system based on the myth that all people are born with equal cognitive and physical qualities.
EGALITOTALITARIAN!!!!! That's right up there with Totalitarian Progressive.
117 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:16:21am |
re: #115 Gus
I can tell I'm reading something well-reasoned when the nutsack analogies start dropping in.
118 | lawhawk Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:17:59am |
I've got to say that with having just returned from Israel, the Easter/Passover story hits home in a new and different way - particularly the Easter part. I'd been to Israel before, but this time we toured areas that had more significance to Christians, including the Basilica of the Assumption and Church of the Holy Sepulcher as well as the place on the Jordan River where Jesus was baptized.
To think that you were walking along the same basic places where the events and people who make up the Canon of Christianity is mind boggling when you really think about it. It's no wonder that some people get spellbound and bound up in the religious fervor of their trip to the Holy Land - where each step puts you in direct contact with the ground where everyone from the Jewish kings of Israel/Judea lived, the prophets made their pronouncements, and Jesus lived. There's such a level of spirituality that it's hard for people to understand if they've never been there themselves, but at the same time is a draw for so many to come and make pilgrimages.
I was particularly impressed with the Holy Sepulcher and the way that each divergent stream of Christianity has taken to occupy a space of the Church - to the point that repairs of key portions are not done because paying for the repair means one can claim ownership - occupation and power. Each group controls a different portion, and even the steps outside are a bone of contention - the final step is just an inch or two above the rest of the courtyard, but one group claims that final step is the courtyard itself, while the other claims it to be part of the steps.
That's just one church - and one religion (though different sects abound within). Now multiply that by the three religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) that claim Jerusalem as their own holy cities - and you begin to get an idea of how convoluted the entire notion of a peace process is.
119 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:18:41am |
re: #114 Obdicut
There's a weird thing going on in San Francisco (shocker) with people grafting fruit-bearing limbs onto non-fruit-bearing trees. The city tries to keep the trees non-producing because falling fruit can create a walking hazard. The grafting bandits say that it's good to be able to eat the fruit of the tree.
[Link: www.npr.org...]
US Army Pacific Command, headquartered in Hawaii, long maintained a "Cocoanut Accident prevention Program". They took occasional fatalities in their area of operation.
120 | Achilles Tang Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:21:22am |
re: #118 lawhawk
and you begin to get an idea of how convoluted the entire notion
of a peace processis.
Summarized...
121 | kirkspencer Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:21:32am |
re: #91 ggt
So, my lap top says it's 8:48PM. The clock says it's 3:45am.
Where am I?
How is everyone where they are?
In the state of Confusion, obviously. Or perhaps you're in a relative state.
(meh. Hoping it's a better day than last week.)
122 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:22:19am |
re: #118 lawhawk
I've got to say that with having just returned from Israel, the Easter/Passover story hits home in a new and different way - particularly the Easter part. I'd been to Israel before, but this time we toured areas that had more significance to Christians, including the Basilica of the Assumption and Church of the Holy Sepulcher as well as the place on the Jordan River where Jesus was baptized.
To think that you were walking along the same basic places where the events and people who make up the Canon of Christianity is mind boggling when you really think about it. It's no wonder that some people get spellbound and bound up in the religious fervor of their trip to the Holy Land - where each step puts you in direct contact with the ground where everyone from the Jewish kings of Israel/Judea lived, the prophets made their pronouncements, and Jesus lived. There's such a level of spirituality that it's hard for people to understand if they've never been there themselves, but at the same time is a draw for so many to come and make pilgrimages.
I was particularly impressed with the Holy Sepulcher and the way that each divergent stream of Christianity has taken to occupy a space of the Church - to the point that repairs of key portions are not done because paying for the repair means one can claim ownership - occupation and power. Each group controls a different portion, and even the steps outside are a bone of contention - the final step is just an inch or two above the rest of the courtyard, but one group claims that final step is the courtyard itself, while the other claims it to be part of the steps.
That's just one church - and one religion (though different sects abound within). Now multiply that by the three religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) that claim Jerusalem as their own holy cities - and you begin to get an idea of how convoluted the entire notion of a peace process is.
We have photos of our daughter who was visiting us there. She is dangling from a steel pipe that crosses the Jordan in the Dan region, capturing river water to take back to her pastor. A couple Israelis are kayaking by in the background.
123 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:22:54am |
re: #119 Decatur Deb
US Army Pacific Command, headquartered in Hawaii, long maintained a "Cocoanut Accident prevention Program". They took occasional fatalities in their area of operation.
Southeast Asia and Pacifica seems to be full of large objects falling out of trees on people: Cocoanuts, Durians, Jackfruit.
In Oxford, you only had to worry about Darwin descending suddenly on you out of a tree.*
* - _To Say Nothing of the Dog_ reference. And it's not *that* Darwin, though I think the RWNJs fear it in that sense.
124 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:24:15am |
re: #116 Gus
Wait! There's more!
EGALITOTALITARIAN!!! That's right up there with Totalitarian Progressive.
What is person who believes in equality under the law?
126 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:25:44am |
127 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:25:57am |
re: #121 kirkspencer
In the state of Confusion, obviously. Or perhaps you're in a relative state.
(meh. Hoping it's a better day than last week.)
LOL, Thanks! So far, so good.
128 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:26:04am |
re: #125 Gus
NEOLOGISM 2: a meaningless word coined by a psychotic
Is that like a Palinism, but with more thought behind it?
//
129 | lawhawk Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:26:08am |
re: #122 Decatur Deb
Our tour guide said that many people are under the impression that the Jordan River is some huge waterway. The US has the Mississippi. Israel has the Minipeepee....
It's not much bigger than a creek or stream (the further north you are, the more like a stream it is - but by the time you get to the Dead Sea, it's nearly all gone).
But it's got the history.... and that counts for so much more.
130 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:26:10am |
132 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:26:51am |
133 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:27:41am |
re: #132 ggt
I posted that above.
>:0
That's where I got that. Thanks. :) See, mah brainz still werks!
134 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:27:57am |
re: #129 lawhawk
Our tour guide said that many people are under the impression that the Jordan River is some huge waterway. The US has the Mississippi. Israel has the Minipeepee...
It's not much bigger than a creek or stream (the further north you are, the more like a stream it is - but by the time you get to the Dead Sea, it's nearly all gone).
But it's got the history... and that counts for so much more.
There are places where the Rio Grande looks like a drainage ditch. Easy to see why the border between Mexico and the US is easily overlooked by some.
:0
135 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:28:18am |
136 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:28:25am |
re: #129 lawhawk
Our tour guide said that many people are under the impression that the Jordan River is some huge waterway. The US has the Mississippi. Israel has the Minipeepee...
It's not much bigger than a creek or stream (the further north you are, the more like a stream it is - but by the time you get to the Dead Sea, it's nearly all gone).
But it's got the history... and that counts for so much more.
Yes, it was narrow and fast-flowing that Spring north of the Kinneret. Not quite white-water.
138 | jaunte Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:29:24am |
re: #115 Gus
Jim Goad, hell-bent on writing about testicles leaping out of nutsacks, goddamnit. What is it with these conservative writers and their obsession with the hanging parts?
139 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:29:54am |
re: #138 jaunte
Jim Goad, hell-bent on writing about testicles leaping out of nutsacks, goddamnit. What is it with these conservative writers and their obsession with the hanging parts?
That is a question I was pondering over the weekend.
140 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:30:14am |
re: #123 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Southeast Asia and Pacifica seems to be full of large objects falling out of trees on people: Cocoanuts, Durians, Jackfruit.
In Oxford, you only had to worry about Darwin descending suddenly on you out of a tree.*
* - _To Say Nothing of the Dog_ reference. And it's not *that* Darwin, though I think the RWNJs fear it in that sense.
In Connie Willis's version you only had to worry about Cyril nudging you out of bed. . . .
142 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:30:56am |
re: #137 Gus
Envirototalitarian!
See! It's teh EZ!
Homototalitariam.
Feminototalitarian.
Totaliberal.
144 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:31:55am |
145 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:32:20am |
re: #142 Johnny Derp
How about Egalitognostic: Pretending all sources of knowledge are equal, from a guy who thinks that god created the earth 6000 years ago to a professor who's worked his entire life to study and understand a problem.
149 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:33:35am |
re: #145 Obdicut
How about Egalitognostic: Pretending all sources of knowledge are equal, from a guy who thinks that god created the earth 6000 years ago to a professor who's worked his entire life to study and understand a problem.
Equignostic then.
150 | Interesting Times Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:33:44am |
re: #139 Gus
That is a question I was pondering over the weekend.
Homophobia: the fear that gay men will treat you the way you treat women.— Coyote Too (@coyotetoo) December 6, 2011
153 | Achilles Tang Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:36:41am |
re: #145 Obdicut
How about Egalitognostic: Pretending all sources of knowledge are equal, from a guy who thinks that god created the earth 6000 years ago to a professor who's worked his entire life to study and understand a problem.
"New Age"?
154 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:37:07am |
155 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:37:37am |
Shariatheists.
158 | Achilles Tang Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:39:09am |
re: #145 Obdicut
How about Egalitognostic: Pretending all sources of knowledge are equal, from a guy who thinks that god created the earth 6000 years ago to a professor who's worked his entire life to study and understand a problem.
On second thought, shouldn't that be Egalitagnostic?
159 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:40:31am |
162 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:47:22am |
Remember when Glenn Beck started a rumor about his own impending death due to a yet unknown illness?
163 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:47:27am |
Sweet potatoes aren't planting themselves. BBL
164 | Renaissance_Man Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:48:27am |
re: #160 Gus
Glenn Beck To Begin Broadcasting Weekly Speeches From Fake Oval Office
And so it begins. It's quite possible that by November, the media bubble will be so impervious that Conservativists could be convinced that Glenn Beck was actually elected President, and with his weekly speeches they will be kept blissfully happy in their fictitious world. Their world barely intersects with the real one now, I see no reason why it can't be used to keep them happy instead of making them angry.
165 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:48:41am |
re: #163 Decatur Deb
Sweet potatoes aren't planting themselves. BBL
One of those days you will be surprised.
166 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:49:02am |
167 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:49:36am |
168 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:50:21am |
169 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:50:26am |
re: #140 ggt
In Connie Willis's version you only had to worry about Cyril nudging you out of bed. . . .
Same book. :)
170 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:50:34am |
173 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:51:47am |
Devilwhippersnappers.
174 | Lidane Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:52:03am |
re: #113 Gus
Intolerance of intolerance it the new intolerance.
You know you're in for a special kind of fail when a rant starts with this:
As I type this from my heavily black neighborhood, I hark back to my wigger days and recall something that Chuck D from black-nationalist rap group Public Enemy said to me wearily when I interviewed him back in 1990...
That sounds like a poor man's unfunny imitation of Steve Martin in The Jerk. What the fuck.
175 | Interesting Times Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:52:13am |
Corporophillia: Sexuoeroticism linked to allowing corporations to get away with all kinds of shit.
176 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:52:25am |
re: #169 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Same book. :)
I'm all out of sorts.
You are, of course, correct.
Perhaps I need to back to bed. Although I seem to have been sleeping alot this trip. On one plane (aircraft and existence), off another.
177 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:52:38am |
178 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:52:44am |
179 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:53:07am |
re: #164 Renaissance_Man
And so it begins. It's quite possible that by November, the media bubble will be so impervious that Conservativists could be convinced that Glenn Beck was actually elected President, and with his weekly speeches they will be kept blissfully happy in their fictitious world. Their world barely intersects with the real one now, I see no reason why it can't be used to keep them happy instead of making them angry.
Glenn will convince them that the Obama Administration is actually a very cleverly done new version of "The West Wing" that ABC, NBC, and CBS are broadcasting cooperatively in a vain attempt to catch up with FOX in the ratings.
/ (not really)
180 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:53:15am |
Coprophet.
181 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:53:25am |
re: #164 Renaissance_Man
And so it begins. It's quite possible that by November, the media bubble will be so impervious that Conservativists could be convinced that Glenn Beck was actually elected President, and with his weekly speeches they will be kept blissfully happy in their fictitious world. Their world barely intersects with the real one now, I see no reason why it can't be used to keep them happy instead of making them angry.
Reminds me of Galaxy Quest in which the not so smart aliens thought the TV show was reality.
182 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:54:08am |
183 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:54:11am |
Coprocephalia (condition)
184 | Lidane Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:54:38am |
re: #162 Gus
Remember when Glenn Beck started a rumor about his own impending death due to a yet unknown illness?
He was a rank amateur compared to Oral Roberts famously claiming that God would call him home if he didn't raise $8 million.
185 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:54:54am |
186 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:55:02am |
re: #174 Lidane
You know you're in for a special kind of fail when a rant starts with this:
That sounds like a poor man's unfunny imitation of Steve Martin in The Jerk. What the fuck.
I interviewed him! Yet another unknown author, poser and general all around wannabe. You ever notice that there's a lot of these guys? They seem to have failed in Hollywood or garnering a large reading audience. They had visions of grandeur and fame. Much like Breitbart had. They invariably morph into these enraged right-wing bigots.
187 | Interesting Times Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:55:29am |
re: #183 Johnny Derp
No. See edit. Based on...
188 | SidewaysQuark Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:56:00am |
In case anyone's wondering, the latest meme among conservatives about Derbyshire's repugnant "article" is that it was "just satire".
189 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:56:31am |
re: #187 Interesting Times
No. See edit. Based on...
Yeah, well, I was thinking along those terms . . .
190 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:56:52am |
re: #188 SidewaysQuark
In case anyone's wondering, the latest meme among conservatives about Derbyshire's repugnant "article" is that it was "just satire".
Like Limbaugh. . . .
191 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:57:14am |
re: #188 SidewaysQuark
In case anyone's wondering, the latest meme among conservatives about Derbyshire's repugnant "article" is that it was "just satire".
Just like old Johnny Rebel records.
192 | jaunte Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:57:21am |
re: #188 SidewaysQuark
The ALEC program to disenfranchise poorer voters is just "performance art."
193 | Lidane Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:57:21am |
re: #188 SidewaysQuark
In case anyone's wondering, the latest meme among conservatives about Derbyshire's repugnant "article" is that it was "just satire".
They're going with satire now? Last I saw, people were calling Derbyshire fearless and honest for saying what people really think and that NRO are a bunch of cowards for caving in to the politically correct racialists or some shit.
Guess the talking points are in.
194 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:58:08am |
I am going back to bed. Will probably miss the glorious sunrise -again.
Have a great morning all!
195 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:58:39am |
re: #192 jaunte
The ALEC program to disenfranchise poorer voters is just "performance art."
Help wanted: Mime
Must have experience. Apply at Republican Party HQ.
196 | SidewaysQuark Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:59:14am |
re: #193 Lidane
They're going with satire now? Last I saw, people were calling Derbyshire fearless and honest for saying what people really think and that NRO are a bunch of cowards for caving in to the politically correct racialists or some shit.
Guess the talking points are in.
Oh, they'll use which ever one is most convenient at the time. When the National Review is defending itself from conservative attacks, you know something's wrong with the picture.
197 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 7:59:45am |
re: #192 jaunte
The ALEC program to disenfranchise poorer voters is just "performance art."
That's one of the default fallback lines from some of the ID creationists when they get shredded for some extremely stupid blathering as well. They *meant to* do that as a way to simply stir the rabble.
Only Feline Overlords get away with that behavior.
199 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:01:55am |
re: #138 jaunte
Jim Goad, hell-bent on writing about testicles leaping out of nutsacks, goddamnit. What is it with these conservative writers and their obsession with the hanging parts?
*shrugs* Repubicans.
201 | Interesting Times Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:02:47am |
Canada is discontinuing the penny because it is a "nuisance." Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have a similar plan for America's middle class.— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) April 9, 2012
204 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:05:44am |
Viagrarian Party.
205 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:06:12am |
re: #203 Gus
Last Tuesday, 400 Republicans were in Morristown to listen to Jerome Corsi — author of “Where’s the Birth Certificate?” — revisit his race-baiting, made-for-the-internet theory that Barack Obama is ineligible for the presidency because he isn’t a natural-born U.S. citizen.
206 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:06:38am |
207 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:07:32am |
re: #204 Johnny Derp
Viagrarian Party.
Is that those who want chemicals that make plants grow straight and upright?
208 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:07:52am |
209 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:09:08am |
210 | lawhawk Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:09:37am |
re: #205 Gus
It's not an embarrassment if none of the GOPers are embarrassed by their participation, association, or spreading of the birtherism nonsense.
211 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:10:56am |
212 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:13:56am |
re: #205 Gus
Last Tuesday, 400 Republicans were in Morristown to listen to Jerome Corsi — author of “Where’s the Birth Certificate?” — revisit his race-baiting, made-for-the-internet theory that Barack Obama is ineligible for the presidency because he isn’t a natural-born U.S. citizen.
Heck, just read the comments to that article. The defenders come out in force, talking points in hand. And note the umbrage at the article calling it a "tinfoil hat" crowd. The article is pointing and laughing (in tears) because a major party's local representatives are treating this stuff as if it was serious.
213 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:17:57am |
re: #212 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Heck, just read the comments to that article. The defenders come out in force, talking points in hand. And note the umbrage at the article calling it a "tinfoil hat" crowd. The article is pointing and laughing (in tears) because a major party's local representatives are treating this stuff as if it was serious.
I took something differnt from it
The partys local reps are treating 400 prospective voters as serious
"Morris Republican chairman John Sette was asked, too: “I personally have a philosophy of staying close to the tea party people. ... There’s lots of people who might have outlandish views in every spectrum in politics. We’re open to everybody and we believe in freedom of speech."
Doesn't sound as if he buys into the theory, but doesn't want to alienate potential voters
214 | Decatur Deb Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:19:06am |
re: #212 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Heck, just read the comments to that article. The defenders come out in force, talking points in hand. And note the umbrage at the article calling it a "tinfoil hat" crowd. The article is pointing and laughing (in tears) because a major party's local representatives are treating this stuff as if it was serious.
The greatest trick the President ever pulled was convincing the wingnuts he wasn't a citizen. And like that, poof. He's re-elected.
215 | Lidane Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:20:15am |
re: #213 sattv4u2
The partys local reps are treating 400 ignorant, unserious prospective voters as serious
FTFY
Anyone who's dumb enough to be a birther shouldn't be courted by a major political party. It's like going after the 9/11 troofer vote. Why bother? Save the time and effort for serious people with legitimate concerns.
216 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:20:27am |
re: #213 sattv4u2
I took something differnt from it
The partys local reps are treating 400 prospective voters as serious
"Morris Republican chairman John Sette was asked, too: “I personally have a philosophy of staying close to the tea party people. ... There’s lots of people who might have outlandish views in every spectrum in politics. We’re open to everybody and we believe in freedom of speech."
Doesn't sound as if he buys into the theory, but doesn't want to alienate potential voters
"...We’re open to everybody and we believe in freedom of speech."
That's hilarious. It's the old "they might be crazy but they're our crazies" argument.
217 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:21:50am |
What's next...
"They might be racists but they're our racists."
No wait. They're already doing that too.
218 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:22:16am |
221 | Lidane Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:24:42am |
re: #219 sattv4u2
Because a serious political party should go out of their way spending time and money to court the craziest, most ignorant bastards on their side. Really.
I know it's an election year and all, but come on. The GOP needs to have some kind of standards despite the fact that all their candidates suck.
222 | Killgore Trout Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:24:56am |
Meanwhile in Portland
'Boobs Out' for Hanford
Image: occupya15-8b3f8b735dcf07c0.jpg
The hairy pits and gas mask is a nice touch
223 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:25:14am |
re: #219 sattv4u2
Except the Democrats aren't courting 9/11 truthers, and the GOP has actual elected officials-- lots of them-- who are outright endorsing birtherism.
But you knew that.
224 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:25:24am |
re: #222 Killgore Trout
Meanwhile in Portland
'Boobs Out' for HanfordImage: occupya15-8b3f8b735dcf07c0.jpg
The hairy pits and gas mask is a nice touch
Zombietime again!
225 | iossarian Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:31:24am |
re: #223 Obdicut
Except the Democrats aren't courting 9/11 truthers, and the GOP has actual elected officials-- lots of them-- who are outright endorsing birtherism.
But you knew that.
"I'm just asking questions here."
226 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:32:17am |
re: #224 Gus
If you go to Dolores Park today, you'll probably see more naked people and more interesting outfits.
I miss Dolores Park.
227 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:35:36am |
re: #226 Obdicut
If you go to Dolores Park today, you'll probably see more naked people and more interesting outfits.
I miss Dolores Park.
Hey! I know that place. They're doing nude-sun bathing their now? Hope they're enforcing the towel rule. :O
Otherwise I was just thinking...
BREAKING NEWS: Crazy guy spotted on street corner in Metropolis! Film at 11.
Stuff reminds me of Zombietime. It's like this perverse ideological voyeurism. Nyuk, nyuk. "It's them liberals again in those liberal cities."
228 | jaunte Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:36:23am |
Mike Bloomberg:
Op-Ed: Washington Needs to Stop Cowering Before The Gun Lobby
"...Across the country, more than 80% of gun owners support simple fixes to the background check system that would help stop the flow of guns to criminals. The ideologues who run the gun lobby don’t want us to know that, but it’s true."
229 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:36:37am |
re: #227 Gus
They've been doing it since I was a kid. They keep a towel nearby and flip it over if a cop is wandering around, and mostly they keep it to the upper end of the hill on the left, away from the playground-- but the whole park just got refurbished so maybe things have moved around.
230 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:37:56am |
Amy Davidson at @tnycloseread examines the curious career of the comprehensively racist John Derbyshire: newyorker.com/online/blogs/c...— Jeffrey Goldberg (@Goldberg3000) April 9, 2012
Have Creationists abandoned Intelligent Design as a tactic? bit.ly/IA8jWY— Roger Ebert (@ebertchicago) April 9, 2012
231 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:40:39am |
Good morning lizards!
I hope everyone had a good weekend. I got lots of yard work done and had turkey for dinner last night.
:)
233 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:44:47am |
It's only revenge if they specifically targeted individuals involved in England's father's death. Otherwise, if it was random and against blacks it was a racially motivated hate crime.
234 | lawhawk Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:45:45am |
re: #230 Gus
Ah, the joys of "critical thinking" as compared to critical thinking. The former is used as a wedge to bring in creationism and junk science into the classroom, while the latter would exclude them because critical thinking would show how neither is supported by the scientific method.
235 | jaunte Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:50:43am |
John Fund compares James O'Keefe to Mike Wallace. You can't make this stuff up bit.ly/Ie2oIN
— Ari Berman (@AriBerman) April 9, 2012
236 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:51:32am |
re: #233 Gus
Obviously its tragic to have your dad murdered, and I might feel sympathy for someone who sought out and killed the guy who shot his father.
But some asshole who just shoots random people who are of the same race?
Yeah, that's a hate crime.
237 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:52:35am |
re: #236 Obdicut
Obviously its tragic to have your dad murdered, and I might feel sympathy for someone who sought out and killed the guy who shot his father.
But some asshole who just shoots random people who are of the same race?
Yeah, that's a hate crime.
Exactly. They're all at random as far as I know which makes it a hate crime.
238 | Renaissance_Man Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:58:34am |
re: #236 Obdicut
Obviously its tragic to have your dad murdered, and I might feel sympathy for someone who sought out and killed the guy who shot his father.
I'd feel more sympathy if he trained in secret for years before putting on a mask and cape to dispense justice.
Or if the man who murdered his father had six fingers.
239 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 8:59:05am |
re: #237 Gus
The likelihood that five people all connected to the crime would be just walking around on the same day is pretty remote, I think.
240 | lawhawk Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:01:16am |
re: #235 jaunte
Well, they are white guys who have produced videos... / that turn out to be newsworthy - but for completely different reasons and purposes.
241 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:11:12am |
In case you haven't heard already:
Special prosecutor in Trayvon Martin shooting has decided against sending the case to a grand jury, her office says.
243 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:12:55am |
re: #242 Obdicut
Oh my, the shit's going to hit the fucking fan.
It could. But that news could mean anything. If they have enough evidence to to take this to trial they wouldn't need a grand jury?
244 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:14:15am |
NOTE: Martin family attorneys have been OPPOSED to using a grand jury. It's a secretive process. They want prosecutor to charge directly.— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) April 9, 2012
245 | ThomasLite Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:14:31am |
re: #243 Gus
then again, how likely is that given what we know of the available evidence?
246 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:14:53am |
re: #243 Gus
Thanks, Gus, you're right.
[Link: content.usatoday.com...]
The Florida special prosecutor investigating the Trayvon Martin shooting has decided not to use a grand jury, but says that should not be considered a factor in her final determination of the case.
...
"We want to believe that this would be a positive sign that the prosecutor has enough information to arrest Trayvon Martin's killer," said Benjamin Crump, an attorney for the Martin family, moments after Corey released the news. "The family is really trying hard to be patient and have faith in the system."
247 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:15:03am |
re: #245 ThomasLite
then again, how likely is that given what we know of the available evidence?
I have no idea. All we can do is wait.
248 | Kronocide Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:18:00am |
400 GOP attending a Jerome Corsi talk? Nothing to see here.
What if it was David Duke?
What if 400 Dems attended a talk with Bill Ayers?
We believe in freedom of speech
Logic al Absurdum
249 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:18:29am |
re: #188 SidewaysQuark
In case anyone's wondering, the latest meme among conservatives about Derbyshire's repugnant "article" is that it was "just satire".
You mean, like Colbert? He was satirizing the attitudes of people who say such things to their children? He was pointedly mocking the pathetic fools who think that insisting that their bigotry is objectively true will somehow make the rest of us not notice that they're hateful and idiotic?
No, he wasn't.
Also, if it had been satire, it was not very good satire. You have to go over the top in satire, not merely say things your fans believe to be literally true. See Swift for details.
250 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:19:00am |
re: #249 SanFranciscoZionist
And Derbyshire is a completely unapologetic racist, and there's no reason to think it's satire at all.
251 | lawhawk Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:19:37am |
FL grand jury rules - when necessary:
The grand jury's primary role is to determine whether sufficient evidence exists to justify indicting an accused individual.1 To make such determinations, a grand jury also serves as an investigating body with subpoena powers.2 In Florida, a grand jury indictment is required only to try a person for a capital offense; i.e., one where the death penalty may be given.3 Otherwise, the state attorney has concurrent authority to file a formal accusation of the commission of a crime (an "information").4 The information is used routinely to charge individuals in Florida. In addition to capital cases, grand juries often are utilized for controversial cases such as those involving alleged wrongdoing by public officials.
Since we're not talking a capital offense here (likely charges are manslaughter or negligent homicide or the FL equivalents), a grand jury isn't formally required. The state attorney could bring the information directly without a grand jury, though he or she may choose to do so in a highly charged situation.
It's possible that the evidence gathered is sufficient to bring charges even without a grand jury.
However, if the state attorney is not going to bring charges at all, that raises all kinds of questions and is likely to set off a whole new round of protests.
252 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:21:01am |
Explain in 5 words: what are grand juries for and why are they optional?
253 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:21:37am |
re: #251 lawhawk
Oh, I see this answers my question.
254 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:22:14am |
PETA Leaves Hidden Message for Miami Marlins
The Miami Marlins have been punked. The PETA folks did it. They are not happy with the team's in-stadium aquarium, so they pulled a fast one with their message on a commemorative brick. Len Berman suggests a brick of his own.
255 | Kronocide Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:22:27am |
re: #252 Johnny Derp
Explain in 5 words: what are grand juries for and why are they optional?
validate if enough evidence for trial
that's 6, but I tried
256 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:24:58am |
re: #255 Kronocide
validate if enough evidence for trial
that's 6, but I tried
You could say it with one word in German.
Überprüfenobgenügendbeweisevorgericht
//
257 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:25:00am |
re: #252 Johnny Derp
Explain in 5 words: what are grand juries for and why are they optional?
Hmm.
Can command indictment, if needed.
(Sorry, that's the best I can do in five words.)
258 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:26:50am |
re: #256 Gus
You could say it with one word in German.
Überprüfenobgenügendbeweisevorgericht
//
Oh, I can explain it in one word in Hjorhwiehiese too: iohreigorboeugbuibriegboegbobeogoihgw.
/
259 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:26:50am |
How about "stop unsupported cases getting tried"?
260 | lawhawk Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:26:50am |
re: #252 Johnny Derp
Sometimes optional indictment process. /4 words
261 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:26:50am |
re: #257 SanFranciscoZionist
Hmm.
Can command indictment, if needed.
(Sorry, that's the best I can do in five words.)
It's an old-fashioned English legal practice which, IIUC, is only still in use in the United States.
262 | CuriousLurker Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:27:07am |
Drive-by post:
Mike Wallace, 1967, The Homosexuals. I would've been in kindergarten then. In-freaking-credible, the attitudes. Man, was that ever an eye-opener.
I don't remember the '70s being that bad, but then I guess I wouldn't. Maybe things were slightly better by then...? Ugh.
263 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:27:45am |
re: #257 SanFranciscoZionist
Hmm.
Can command indictment, if needed.
(Sorry, that's the best I can do in five words.)
Maybe 'Can ISSUE indictment, if needed.'
264 | PhillyPretzel Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:28:52am |
re: #263 SanFranciscoZionist
Can order indictment, if needed.
265 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:29:25am |
re: #263 SanFranciscoZionist
Maybe 'Can ISSUE indictment, if needed.'
Saving prosecutors embarrassment, taxpayers money.
266 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:29:33am |
Also can make pancakes, if necessary.
267 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:30:04am |
re: #264 PhillyPretzel
Can order indictment, if needed.
Thanks, I knew there was a verb I was trying to get to.
270 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:31:02am |
"5 words" was of course a figure of speech, but Lizards rose to the challenge ;)
271 | PhillyPretzel Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:31:04am |
re: #267 SanFranciscoZionist
No problem. That is what English majors are here for. :)
272 | Gus Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:31:52am |
Let's be real. There has been no Presidential pet better than Socks the Cat. twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew…
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) April 9, 2012
273 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:37:13am |
274 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:38:51am |
re: #271 PhillyPretzel
No problem. That is what English majors are here for. :)
I am resisting the urge to attempt to frame it as a haiku.
275 | Kronocide Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:38:58am |
Andrew McCarthy from NRO's The Derp Corner:
Long before I had anything to do with National Review, I was envious of Derb’s talent as a writer and thinker. Over the last few years, I’ve gotten to know him a bit. He is charming, fiercely witty company. All that said, racialism is noxious regardless of who practices it. It is wrong that what is a day at the office for the Left’s racialists becomes a hanging offense in Derb’s case. But that is a summons to disgust over the former, not a defense of the latter.
Call the But They Do It Too Whaaambulance. At least he called it racialism. The kinder and gentler racism.
276 | lawhawk Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:39:13am |
re: #265 Obdicut
Saving prosecutors embarrassment, taxpayers money.
Ham sandwiches, others, indicted sometimes.
279 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:42:38am |
re: #275 Kronocide
Andrew McCarthy from NRO's The Derp Corner:
Call the But They Do It Too Whaaambulance. At least he called it racialism. The kinder and gentler racism.
Do realize that the Magical Balance Fairy defense has no moral standing whatsoever in cases like this? That's the kind of justification you see for torturing prisoners and bombing civilians.
280 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:44:26am |
re: #274 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
I am resisting the urge to attempt to frame it as a haiku.
Grand jury sits.
A stream outside, a net
scooping, frog caught.
282 | kirkspencer Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:52:35am |
re: #252 Johnny Derp
Explain in 5 words: what are grand juries for and why are they optional?
Validates indictments reducing prosecutor misconduct.
Not required in all states.
Oh, wait, you wanted five words for the whole thing?
283 | kirkspencer Mon, Apr 9, 2012 9:59:42am |
re: #275 Kronocide
Andrew McCarthy from NRO's The Derp Corner:
Call the But They Do It Too Whaaambulance. At least he called it racialism. The kinder and gentler racism.
I think I'd be interested to see if the "day at the office for the Left’s racialists" statement can be backed with anything resembling fact.
284 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Mon, Apr 9, 2012 10:06:32am |
Kinda conflicted here, I could use some advice...
I found a stunningly stupid and facile White Supremacist video, a longish cartoon of how whites took over America (from the Native Americans) that in a childish manner "attempts" to parody and satirize the arguments used by non-racists against them.
I'm sure they think that they did a great job of utterly refuting those arguments. But someone from outside their circle will immediately notice how the characters in it only use reversed anti-racist/anti-white supremacist/anti-national socialist arguments to cynically and purposefully declare anyone opposing them racist and then immediately proceed to summarily execute them solely for being a "racist."
It is truly projection on a grand scale, if anything it affirms that they surely would love to execute people simply for disagreeing with their ideology or for the crime of committing "genocide" against the White Race by...err, well...not being White.
So do I make a page about it and thereby gain their stupid racist video more views in the hopes of exposing it to widespread ridicule and condemnation, or just let it die a quiet death on it's little "almost no traffic" web site?
285 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 9, 2012 10:15:33am |
re: #284 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
If it's in some obscure corner, I'd let it be. There are far more visible and powerful messages of racism out there worth taking a whack at.
Just my opinion, of course.
286 | b_sharp Mon, Apr 9, 2012 11:17:35am |
re: #249 SanFranciscoZionist
You mean, like Colbert? He was satirizing the attitudes of people who say such things to their children? He was pointedly mocking the pathetic fools who think that insisting that their bigotry is objectively true will somehow make the rest of us not notice that they're hateful and idiotic?
No, he wasn't.
Also, if it had been satire, it was not very good satire. You have to go over the top in satire, not merely say things your fans believe to be literally true. See Swift for details.
When doing satire you do not link to 'scientific' evidence that validates the point you made.