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Breaking: Santorum Holding News Conference (To Bail Out?)

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Rick Santorum is holding a news conference in a few minutes (2 pm ET), and the chatter from the chattering classes is that he’s about to announce the “suspension” of his presidential campaign.

Santorum’s daughter is reported to be very sick again, and was taken to the hospital again last weekend; that may be the reason.

UPDATE at 4/10/12 11:01:56 am

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288 comments

1 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:00:56am

I feel bad for his daughter even if I can't stand him.

2 Lidanghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:01:48am

re: #1 HappyWarrior

I feel bad for his daughter even if I can't stand him.

Agreed. His politics are repellent, but I hope his daughter gets better.

3 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:02:56am

Bella is out of the hospital. [Link: news.yahoo.com...]

4 erik_t  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:03:46am

This 'suspension' bullshit is irritating. When did we need to start using weasel words for such simple and straightforward concepts? Was it about the time that we started announcing that we were going to announce that we were going to seek the presidency?

5 makeitstop  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:06:28am

re: #4 erik_t

This 'suspension' bullshit is irritating. When did we need to start using weasel words for such simple and straightforward concepts? Was it about the time that we started announcing that we were going to announce that we were going to seek the presidency?

I think one of the GOP candidates (I'm thinking Newt, but could be wrong) actually did call a press conference to announce that he was going to make an announcement to run. Or maybe it was Mittens, I don't remember.

6 Gus  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:06:42am

That leaves two more to bail out and victory is ours!

Ron Paul!

//

7 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:06:44am

Does "suspending" the campaign, rather than officially "dropping out", have something to do with the ability to keep the delegates one has gained, and to perhaps remain on the ballot?

8 erik_t  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:07:05am

re: #7 Bulworth

Does "suspending" the campaign, rather than officially "dropping out", have something to do with the ability to keep the delegates one has gained, and to perhaps remain on the ballot?

I think it has to do with the money your campaign raised, actually.

9 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:07:15am

re: #4 erik_t

This 'suspension' bullshit is irritating. When did we need to start using weasel words for such simple and straightforward concepts? Was it about the time that we started announcing that we were going to announce that we were going to seek the presidency?

He can't continue to seek funds if he ends his campaign, I believe.

Suspending it allows him to continue to fundraise.

10 RadicalModerate  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:07:22am

I understand the reasoning for it - both for fundraising purposes (if a candidate says they are ending vs suspending campaign, different election rules kick in) as well as for the fact that it doesn't remove the candidate from state ballots, in case something happens with the current front-runner. So, I don't fault Santorum for this.

11 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:07:30am

re: #4 erik_t

If they suspend the campaign they can still collect money to pay their debt. Or pay off something else. //

12 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:08:22am

Oh boy, the wingnuts are not gonna like this one bit.

13 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:08:24am

"Suspending the campaign" is a technical term. It means "abandoning the sinking ship."

14 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:08:31am

My prediction. He sets up a PAC and lobbies hard to be Romney's number 2 or to at least influence number 2.

15 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:09:22am

Hope his daughter will be alright.

16 Shvaughn  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:10:01am

re: #15 Johnny Derp

Hope his daughter will be alright.

She probably won't be, based on the nature of her illness.

17 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:10:16am

re: #15 Johnny Derp

Me too. She has already beaten the odds by living as long as she has.

18 erik_t  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:10:35am

re: #14 HappyWarrior

My prediction. He sets up a PAC and lobbies hard to be Romney's number 2 or to at least influence number 2.

No way. At this point, he runs as far and as fast from Romney as his little legs will carry him (without actually saying anything poisonous). It's the obvious setup to 2016.

19 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:10:41am

re: #16 Shvaughn

She probably won't be, based on the nature of her illness.

What does she have?

20 SpaceJesus  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:10:52am

Romneybot activate..initiating happiness sequence

21 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:11:20am

re: #20 SpaceJesus

Romneybot activate..initiating happiness sequence

Smile activated.

22 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:11:47am

re: #16 Shvaughn

I don't know much about her condition, but there are relative degrees of "alright". Obviously, being in hospital is not one of them.

23 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:12:48am

re: #21 HappyWarrior

Smile activated.

Hair shield activated. Operating at 99.9% efficiency.

24 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:13:04am

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Trisomy 18 is what Bella Santorum has.

25 shutdown  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:13:10am

She has been hospitalized repeatedly over the last while. I pray for her and wish her well.

26 Lidanghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:13:12am

re: #19 HappyWarrior

What does she have?

Trisomy 18

27 Kragarghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:13:24am

re: #20 SpaceJesus

Romneybot activate..initiating happiness sequence

"The average vertical measurement of the GOP candidates is approaching optimum values."

28 Shvaughn  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:14:07am

re: #19 HappyWarrior

What does she have?

She has Trisomy 18.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

29 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:15:56am

Thanks guys. Terrible. Maybe her Dad will be able to spend more time with her this way.

30 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:16:08am

The worst thing about these breaking news events - the TV anchors endlessly yapping about everything that pops into their heads, filling up every single second of air time with pointless chatter, saying the same things over and over.

31 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:16:56am

re: #29 HappyWarrior

That would be nice. Let's hope it does happen.

32 Shvaughn  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:16:57am

re: #30 Charles Johnson

The worst thing about these breaking news events - the TV anchors endlessly yapping about everything that pops into their heads, filling up every single second of air time with pointless chatter, saying the same things over and over.

So, like most of our comment threads here.

:)

33 SpaceJesus  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:17:53am

re: #21 HappyWarrior

"Santorum eliminated. Running new task: findjohnconnor.exe"

34 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:18:31am
35 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:19:05am

Family has to come first, and he's got to deal with the heartbreaking situation of his daughter's ongoing illness. The Santorum family is going to be facing some real tough days ahead with his daughter's situation.

Suspending the campaign allows for ongoing fundraising; quitting means that they can't. There's also the semantics of using suspending versus quitting. Suspending means that someone could potentially rejoin the race, though that really doesn't happen.

36 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:19:13am

re: #33 SpaceJesus

"Santorum eliminated. Running new task: findjohnconnor.exe"

I'm a cyber organism from the future designed to run your country.

37 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:19:21am

This is good news for Noot Gingrich.

38 Lidanghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:25:13am

What happens to the delegates that Santorum has won? Do they automatically go to Romney or does he release them to whoever he wants or do they just become independent?

39 ghazidor  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:25:46am

re: #7 Bulworth

Does "suspending" the campaign, rather than officially "dropping out", have something to do with the ability to keep the delegates one has gained, and to perhaps remain on the ballot?

As has previously been said "suspending" the campaign will still allow them to continue to receive/process campaign contributions. Also it will allow campaign funds to be spent to pay off any accrued debts while allowing any leftover balance to be spent however the candidate might wish.

The delegates he has won so far are still technically pledged to Santorum since he has not "quit" the race, however if he does indeed "Concede" to Romney then his delegates are free to support whomever they wish, if he were to "endorse" Romney however then supposedly his delegates are bound to support Romney.

40 erik_t  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:26:03am

re: #35 lawhawk

Family has to come first, and he's got to deal with the heartbreaking situation of his daughter's ongoing illness. The Santorum family is going to be facing some real tough days ahead with his daughter's situation.

This is something that Santorum's daughter has been and will be dealing with for the rest of her life (may it be a long and not-unpleasant one). It's not some sort of unforeseen circumstance that throws things up in a tizzy. I think concentration on Santorum's dropping out of the race should not be conflated with concentration on his daughter's health problems; I think any link is likely to be a straw-breaking-camel's-back situation, at most.

41 Alexzander  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:26:07am

re: #38 Lidane

What happens to the delegates that Santorum has won? Do they automatically go to Romney or does he release them to whoever he wants or do they just become independent?

I believe they become independent. He can ask them to do something but I believe it is their individual prerogative. I could be wrong though.

42 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:26:07am

re: #38 Lidane

If no one else is using the, can I have them? I need help painting a boat.

43 makeitstop  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:26:07am

re: #38 Lidane

What happens to the delegates that Santorum has won? Do they automatically go to Romney or does he release them to whoever he wants or do they just become independent?

I think he holds on to them until the convention, when he gets to trade them in for nifty prizes!

44 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:28:18am

When Santorum decided to run, what was he thinking as far as his sick daughter is concerned? I guess he really never expected to get this far. I know it was a surprise to me.

45 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:28:55am

Apparently Santorum already called Romney to concede. So his delegates will most likely be going to Romney.

Been saying from the very beginning that Romney would be the candidate; he's next in the GOP line of succession, end of story. All of this other stuff was just theater -- the religious right seeing how far they could push the envelope to the extreme right.

46 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:29:48am

So does Romney choose someone like Santorum as a running mate? He's in a tough place like McCain was if not more so.

47 steve_davis  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:29:49am

re: #7 Bulworth

Does "suspending" the campaign, rather than officially "dropping out", have something to do with the ability to keep the delegates one has gained, and to perhaps remain on the ballot?

You can continue to raise money if you suspend, but not if you end the campaign.

48 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:30:29am

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Being next in line is a strong but not the final factor. Clinton was next in line too, after all.

49 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:30:32am

re: #40 erik_t

This is something that Santorum's daughter has been and will be dealing with for the rest of her life (may it be a long and not-unpleasant one). It's not some sort of unforeseen circumstance that throws things up in a tizzy. I think concentration on Santorum's dropping out of the race should not be conflated with concentration on his daughter's health problems; I think any link is likely to be a straw-breaking-camel's-back situation, at most.

Unfortunately, my initial thoughts are that if he's stopping his campaign now, shortly after news that she's leaving the hospital, then it may very well indicate that her condition has taken a turn for the worse. I hope I'm wrong about this.

50 Kragarghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:30:36am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

So does Romney choose someone like Santorum as a running mate? He's in a tough place like McCain was if not more so.

I predict Jan Brewer

51 kirghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:30:47am

Mostly it's the money. Secondarily it's the image. Tertiary is that if the black swan flies you're still there to grab a feather.

52 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:30:50am

Santorum will now attempt to barter his delegates for a position in the Romney cabinet as Secretary of the Inquisition.

53 bluecheese  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:31:20am

I was wondering if Santorum was going to come out of the closet.

guess not today. (shrugs)

54 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:32:25am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

So does Romney choose someone like Santorum as a running mate? He's in a tough place like McCain was if not more so.

There's as many potential VPs out there as there were Pres candidates. My money's still on Bob McDonnell.

55 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:32:33am

BTW, whatever happened to Gingrich, besides being bankrupt and all? Will he spin this as his chance? Or too late?

56 Alexzander  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:32:41am

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Apparently Santorum already called Romney to concede. So his delegates will most likely be going to Romney.

Been saying from the very beginning that Romney would be the candidate; he's next in the GOP line of succession, end of story. All of this other stuff was just theater -- the religious right seeing how far they could push the envelope to the extreme right.

Perry was also a genuine establishment candidate but he couldn't get through those debates. It was only ever going to be Romney or Perry (or Haley Barbour or Mitch Daniels).

57 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:32:50am

re: #48 Johnny Derp

Being next in line is a strong but not the final factor. Clinton was next in line too, after all.

The Democratic Party doesn't have the same rigid adherence to the succession concept. This is the way it's been in the GOP for many years.

58 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:32:54am

re: #53 bluecheese

What rumors do you know about? Or what incriminating evidence do you have? //

59 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:32:57am

re: #50 Kragar

I predict Jan Brewer

The Wagging Finger of the Tarmac!

60 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:33:57am

re: #55 Johnny Derp

BTW, whatever happened to Gingrich, besides being bankrupt and all? Will he spin this as his chance? Or too late?

Too late not in the practical sense (it is, of course, too late), but in the "even Gingrich gets it" sense.

61 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:34:09am

re: #54 Targetpractice

There's as many potential VPs out there as there were Pres candidates. My money's still on Bob McDonnell.

Mine too. You know as well as I do that the GOP wants VA back in the column badly.

62 Robert O.  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:34:21am

Santorum's campaign did, unfortunately, succeed in getting the spreadingsantorum blog pushed down in Google's search results. It is still at the top of Bing, however. I am not sure if this is because Google changed its algorithm or other reasons.

63 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:34:26am
64 ghazidor  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:34:56am

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

Santorum will now attempt to barter his delegates for a position in the Romney cabinet as Secretary of the Inquisition.

If he really did concede to Romney then his delegates are now free to back whoever they want to. He no longer has any delegates to barter with.

65 erik_t  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:35:01am

re: #49 Simply Sarah

Unfortunately, my initial thoughts are that if he's stopping his campaign now, shortly after news that she's leaving the hospital, then it may very well indicate that her condition has taken a turn for the worse. I hope I'm wrong about this.

Wikipedia tells me that about 8% of live-born trisomy 18 children make it to age one, and about 1% make it to age 10. So this is unpleasant and unfortunate but far from unexpected. It might be a good reason to quit a fruitless campaign, but I don't believe he'd stop if he and Romney were reversed. I'd hope he wouldn't, because that would frankly either be a sign that he didn't take the presidency at all seriously, or that he doesn't understand how statistics work.

66 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:35:05am

re: #60 Johnny Derp

Too late not in the practical sense (it is, of course, too late), but in the "even Gingrich gets it" sense.

I think his biggest donor said 'no more'. Right before the bankruptcy, hmmm...

67 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:35:08am

re: #57 Charles Johnson

The Democratic Party doesn't have the same rigid adherence to the succession concept. This is the way it's been in the GOP for many years.

I think Romney's luck was the rest of the candidates. Someone like Christie or Pawlenty had a realistic chance.

68 bluecheese  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:35:17am

re: #58 PhillyPretzel

What rumors do you know about? Or what incriminating evidence do you have? //

he gives himself away.

that's all he thinks about.

listen to the dude sometime.

gay.

69 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:35:45am
70 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:35:51am

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Mine too. You know as well as I do that the GOP wants VA back in the column badly.

Problem is that McDonnell signed away VA when he signed the wanding bill. Bringing him on the ticket would turn the GOP's loss into a rout.

71 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:36:08am

re: #68 bluecheese

Hmm. We will see what happens.

72 Alexzander  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:36:29am

re: #67 Johnny Derp

I think Romney's luck was the rest of the candidates. Someone like Christie or Pawlenty had a realistic chance.

IF Pawlenty had stayed in longer he would have got a bump and potentially had the anti-romney crowd rally around him. He caved waaaaaay too soon.

73 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:36:49am

Gonna dive in the freeper cesspool for a few minutes.

74 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:36:53am

re: #67 Johnny Derp

I think Romney's luck was the rest of the candidates. Someone like Christie or Pawlenty had a realistic chance.

Christie? I think he would have struggled with evangelical and rural voters even more than Mitt. Think Rudy Giuliani without the "America's mayor" thing going. Pawlenty is probably kicking himself, yes.

75 erik_t  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:37:29am

re: #67 Johnny Derp

I think Romney's luck was the rest of the candidates. Someone like Christie or Pawlenty had a realistic chance.

If there were a year that the Line o' GOP Succession were broken, this would have been it. There was just nobody to break it.

76 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:37:56am

re: #2 Lidane

Agreed. His politics are repellent, but I hope his daughter gets better.

I thought his daughter had trisomy 18. If so, she's never getting better, and her life expectancy is under a year. Most kids born with Edward's never make it out of the hospital.

77 Lidanghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:38:01am

re: #73 Johnny Derp

Gonna dive in the freeper cesspool for a few minutes.

Ha! Good luck with that. They've got about a dozen threads going so far.

78 RadicalModerate  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:38:32am

re: #50 Kragar

I predict Jan Brewer

Brewer's got way too much baggage going on at the state level to seriously consider running for any national office. A LOT of her strong political allies have been either recalled (Randall Pearce), disbarred (Andrew Thomas) or are looking at significant jail time (Arpaio, Thomas).

79 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:38:39am

Wolf Blitzer just called Santorum's speech "eloquent." Please, Wolf. Just stop.

80 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:38:48am

re: #77 Lidane

Ha! Good luck with that. They've got about a dozen threads going so far.

I checked when they first started sprouting up and most of the posts I could see were well-wishing for Santorum's daughter. I think we might have to wait a bit for the shock to pass.

81 SpaceJesus  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:40:02am
To: E. Pluribus Unum

Finally! Now we can all get behind the Republican nominee(can you say Mitt Romney?)and kick that black/white devil out of our house!

62 posted on 04/10/2012 11:33:05 AM PDT by physcitech (God only knows)

freep.

82 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:40:46am

re: #70 Targetpractice

Problem is that McDonnell signed away VA when he signed the wanding bill. Bringing him on the ticket would turn the GOP's loss into a rout.

Yeah true. Virginia's looking good for the Dems this year. Last I saw both Obama and Kaine were winning. Kaine will benefit from Obama more than Allen will from Romney.

83 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:40:54am

I have an old sock for Wolf Blitzer with directions on how to use it. //

84 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:41:53am

Did you hear about the girl they discovered that was raised by Wolf Blitzer. Incredible story. ONN should have won a Pulitzer for that story.

85 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:41:59am

Rick Santorum's last campaign ad predicted the end of the world if he wasn't elected.

Clearly, now we are all doomed.

86 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:42:03am

Some are getting the message - in their perverse way, but still:

Oh wow. Then Newt can kiss my ***. We’re doomed - latest polls have Bathhouse Barry leading Milf Romney (Obama Lite) by a significant margin.

William F. Buckley said the best way to ensure the repeal of a bad law is to insist on its enforcement. Maybe another four years of Zero the Marxist destroying this country finally will wake up Americans to the fact we need a real conservative as POTUS.

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87 Kragarghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:42:38am

re: #85 Charles Johnson

Rick Santorum's last campaign ad predicted the end of the world if he wasn't elected.

Clearly, now we are all doomed.

Maybe we can form a barrier out of Lou Engle followers to protect us!

88 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:42:58am

re: #85 Charles Johnson

Rick Santorum's last campaign ad predicted the end of the world if he wasn't elected.

Clearly, now we are all doomed.

I'll build the ark, you gather the animals.

//

89 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:43:32am

re: #88 Targetpractice

I got 2 cats.//

90 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:43:38am

It will be absolutely fun to watch Santorum and Gingrich campaign for Romney after sliming him in all different ways.

91 Lidanghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:43:40am

This is a particularly hilarious Freeper comment:

First his daughter should be number 1 and that illness severe. Second, Rick could win PA but if he lost he would have no political future, by stepping out now he is saving his political career.

Newt on Fox News Sunday pretty much conceded to Romney. I know there are many angry FReepers today, trust me I got yelled at by the Admin Moderator when Rick lost IL and I felt like my vote didn't count.

But I will state for the thousandth time. I've met Obama I looked into the eyes of an evil megalomaniac.

I don't need to list how bad he is. I knew that when he threatened HOF NFL Player and Super Bowl Coach Mike Ditka to withdraw from the 2004 IL Senate Race, then he went after GOP Front Runner Jack Ryan releasing sex documents from his divorce from celebrity actress Jeri Ryan. It was "kinky" sex between him and his wife, yet it caused him to withdraw and bring in Alan Keyes the carpetbagger to pander... Lost by 70% of the vote!!!

Now, black panther death threats, GSA gone wild, more green energy scams...

This election is going to determine whether we live in a dictatorship. I'm not going to start cheerleading for Romney. I'm going to scream from the rafters how awful Obama is. And we must do everything we can to stop this man from a second term. We helped GWB in 2000, we threw out Gary Condit, we caught Dan Rather lying and threw him out of his anchor chair, we threw out Gray Davis, the list goes on...

This is the most important race of our lives. Vote that thug out, vote out all of the Rats, every single one. Take back the Senate big time. Then we need to go back to work fixing everything this dictator has destroyed. Starting with the military. The fact that our Navy is at its lowest number since World War 1 should frighten every American. Our enemies are building ships as fast as they can.

History continues to repeat itself, don't think China, Iran, Russia, Syria, Muslim Brotherhood, Al-Qaeda, North Korea, and every other despot in the world will not lay down arms and sign kumbaya because Obama bows down to them.

Finally pray for our nation, pray that we destroy the Democrats in the Fall. Not only Nationally but in every State race. I hope now that it seems this race is over we can all send our donations, support and prayers to Governor Scott Walker who MUST win. Otherwise you will see a domino effect which will target Governor Kasich of Ohio.

Paranoia writ large. Wow.

92 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:44:33am

re: #86 Johnny Derp

Some are getting the message - in their perverse way, but still:

There's that phrase again- "real conservative." Right up there with the "tooth fairy" if you ask me.

93 drool  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:45:17am

This may sound callous but when The Santorums chose to have unprotected sex at that age a resulting pregnancy has a 1 in 10 chance of a genetic defect (like Bella has). This did not have to be with a little common sense and birth control. Actions have consequences. I fell terribly for Bella as she is tormented by her body. The Santorums of course will not think of it as that. I do.

94 Kragarghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:46:17am

re: #91 Lidane

This is a particularly hilarious Freeper comment:

Paranoia writ large. Wow.

What do you expect when this man is treated like an actual scholar?

Barton: The Constitution Quotes the Bible 'Verbatim'

95 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:46:38am

re: #93 drool

OK, that's their private life and there is no point in discussing it.

96 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:46:39am

re: #82 HappyWarrior

Yeah true. Virginia's looking good for the Dems this year. Last I saw both Obama and Kaine were winning. Kaine will benefit from Obama more than Allen will from Romney.

As I've said before, there's no VP candidate who I can think of who doesn't scare the shit out of independent voters.

97 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:47:31am
98 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:47:37am

re: #94 Kragar

What do you expect when this man is treated like an actual scholar?

Barton: The Constitution Quotes the Bible 'Verbatim'

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What constitution is Mullah Barton reading? Hell without looking, I don't even think the constitution mentions God.

99 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:50:01am
100 Gus  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:50:09am

So long Rick. Your unintelligible pablum will not be missed.

101 Alouenghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:50:19am

re: #93 drool

Yes, it does sound callous.

102 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:50:36am

re: #98 HappyWarrior

What constitution is Mullah Barton reading? Hell without looking, I don't even think the constitution mentions God.

Nope, no mention of "God," "Creator," or anything along similar lines. You couldn't really much more secular than our Constitution, but that hasn't stopped the yahoos from swearing up and down that the Founding Fathers intended ours to be a "Christian nation."

103 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:50:42am

re: #95 Johnny Derp

OK, that's their private life and there is no point in discussing it.

Except maybe in connection with the hypocrisy of the policies he proposes for other people's private lives.

104 ghazidor  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:50:44am

re: #85 Charles Johnson

Rick Santorum's last campaign ad predicted the end of the world if he wasn't elected.

Clearly, now we are all doomed.

Who knew that the ancient Mayans could have predicted Santorums defeat?

Nobody for 2012, since we will all be dead!

///

105 Kragarghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:50:50am

re: #98 HappyWarrior

What constitution is Mullah Barton reading? Hell without looking, I don't even think the constitution mentions God.

They claim that since the phrase "Year of our Lord" was used in the last paragraph, it obviously must be a Christian document.

So remember, referring to anything as A.D. means its Christian.

106 erik_t  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:51:49am

re: #95 Johnny Derp

OK, that's their private life and there is no point in discussing it.

Santorum made the choice, long ago, that consensual sex and politics should be intertwined. I think it's stupid and backwards and downright medieval, but here we are.

107 Kragarghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:52:03am

re: #104 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Who knew that the ancient Mayans could have predicted Santorums defeat?

Nobody for 2012, since we will all be dead!

///

THE STARS ARE RIGHT!

108 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:53:29am

re: #103 wrenchwench

Except maybe in connection with the hypocrisy of the policies he proposes for other people's private lives.

There is no point in bringing his child into it though. The point about contraception - including that its lack leads to unwanted pregnancies - is stark enough as it is. For all we know, it was not an unwanted pregnancy, and since we don't know, it doesn't prove anything one way or another

109 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:54:30am

Morning all!

Well, I is morning where I am. I don't know about the rest of you.

Truth for the Day

I am sorry to hear about Santorum's daughter. Hope she recovers speedily.

How is everyone?

110 Gus  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:54:38am

Time is RIPE for a RON PAUL SURGE!!! He's the REAL Conservative!! #ronpaul #gop #santorum #tcot #tlot #thekingdude #TeaParty #surge RT/Fave

Real Tweet.

111 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:54:45am

re: #106 erik_t

Santorum made the choice, long ago, that consensual sex and politics should be intertwined. I think it's stupid and backwards and downright medieval, but here we are.

If Santorum was secretly banging rentboys, by all means expose this, since it is directly related to his politics as well as shows him to be a hypocrite. This case doesn't fall into fair game category, IMHO.

112 ghazidor  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:56:23am

re: #110 Gus

Real Tweet.

Paul Bots;
Making up farfetched new realities one day at a time.

113 Neutral President  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:56:37am

re: #110 Gus

I know of few people like that. I want to pat them on the head and say "oh aren't you adorable."

114 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:57:02am

re: #101 Learned Mother of Zion

Yes, it does sound callous.

Don't care if it sounds callous. Rick S and his wife made the choice of having the baby. They want to take the choice away from the rest of us. I respect their decision, but they don't respect mine.

115 leftynyc  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:57:08am

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Mine too. You know as well as I do that the GOP wants VA back in the column badly.

I think that ultrasound bill sunk McConnel's chances. I think it's going to be the Gov of New Mexico - think her name is Susana Martinez.

116 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:57:14am

re: #26 Lidane

Trisomy 18

That is horrible.

117 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:58:25am
So he drops out now, after he’s screwed Newt’s chances of beating Romney. What a jerk.

2 posted on 10 апреля 2012 г. 22:13:17 by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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118 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:59:15am

re: #108 Johnny Derp

There is no point in bringing his child into it though. The point about contraception - including that its lack leads to unwanted pregnancies - is stark enough as it is. For all we know, it was not an unwanted pregnancy, and since we don't know, it doesn't prove anything one way or another

He doesn't believe in contraception. His religion requires him to accept the children God sends him. The pregnancy was not unexpected, unless they thought his wife was in menopause. The religion sucks. The daughter suffers. IIRC, Mrs. Santorum's father is a genetic counselor or something, so the situation before and after the pregnancy was discovered were not surprises, unless some very educated heads were immersed in sand. Their religion requires them to do things differently than most of us would choose to do. And he wants to inflict the stringencies of his religion on everybody.

119 kirghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:00:04pm

OK, pulled up the interactive map at 270towin. I gave Romney all states McCain won, I gave Obama all the states Kerry won, and checked the numbers. Obama is short, at that point, by 24 electoral votes. Florida by itself pushes him over. Ohio and anything-but-New Mexico pushes him over (that combo leaves him one short). Any three of the remaining states is sufficient.

The states left open, that Bush won in 2004 and Obama took in 2008, are:
Colorado, New Mexico, Iowa, Indiana, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida. Right now I think a lot of those look like Obama repeats.

120 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:01:37pm

re: #115 leftynyc

I think that ultrasound bill sunk McConnel's chances. I think it's going to be the Gov of New Mexico - think her name is Susana Martinez.

I don't think so. And even if it is, it won't help get votes from women and Hispanics, unless they choose not to learn about her.

121 Alouenghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:03:20pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

He doesn't believe in contraception. His religion requires him to accept the children God sends him. The pregnancy was not unexpected, unless they thought his wife was in menopause. The religion sucks. The daughter suffers. IIRC, Mrs. Santorum's father is a genetic counselor or something, so the situation before and after the pregnancy was discovered were not surprises, unless some very educated heads were immersed in sand. Their religion requires them to do things differently than most of us would choose to do. And he wants to inflict the stringencies of his religion on everybody.

In the case of having a child with a disability, they are consistent with their beliefs. However Mrs. Santorum did have a pregnancy termination (HER LIFE DEPENDED ON IT!) that he would deny to others.

122 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:04:19pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

He doesn't believe in contraception. His religion requires him to accept the children God sends him. The pregnancy was not unexpected, unless they thought his wife was in menopause. The religion sucks. The daughter suffers. IIRC, Mrs. Santorum's father is a genetic counselor or something, so the situation before and after the pregnancy was discovered were not surprises, unless some very educated heads were immersed in sand. Their religion requires them to do things differently than most of us would choose to do. And he wants to inflict the stringencies of his religion on everybody.

Actually, RC church does believe in contraception--just not by artificial means. Don't ask me what the frickin' logic is. But there is a grave responsibility in creating a child that is A BIG part of the religion. They suggest the "taking your temperature so you know when you ovulate" method.

Obviously not something that works real well for everyone.

123 Lidanghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:04:27pm

re: #116 ggt

That is horrible.

Most kids born with it die within the first year. The few that make it to adulthood (almost always girls) are rarely, if ever, able to care for themselves independently. It's not an easy life, to say the least.

I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

124 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:04:59pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

When you put it like this, I can see some rationale. I don't believe the initial comment was in this vein, it was more like "well, don't complain now" (and Santorum doesn't).

125 leftynyc  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:05:17pm

re: #120 wrenchwench

I don't think so. And even if it is, it won't help get votes from women and Hispanics, unless they choose not to learn about her.

Pubs never learn and they know they have a gender gap problem. I'm convinced he picks a woman and she's the only one I can think of that the base will like (as he also needs to shore up his base who hates him).

126 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:05:23pm

re: #121 Learned Mother of Zion

In the case of having a child with a disability, they are consistent with their beliefs. However Mrs. Santorum did have a pregnancy termination (HER LIFE DEPENDED ON IT!) that he would deny to others.

There is some controversy about that too. I'm not sure it was technically an abortion -- I've read it was a miscarriage.

127 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:06:05pm

How old is the Santorum daughter that has this disorder?

128 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:06:28pm

re: #127 ggt

3. I think so.

129 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:07:26pm

re: #128 PhillyPretzel

3

oh geez. Well as long as they can care for her.

I don't understand such things. But I don't have to.

130 Alouenghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:07:51pm

re: #126 ggt

There is some controversy about that too. I'm not sure it was technically an abortion -- I've read it was a miscarriage.

That was when they brought the baby home to kiss and cuddle. You don't do that with a miscarriage.

131 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:07:59pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

(Obligatory: oh noez! You anti-Christian bigot!) /

132 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:07:59pm

re: #122 ggt

Actually, RC church does believe in contraception--just not by artificial means. Don't ask me what the frickin' logic is. But there is a grave responsibility in creating a child that is A BIG part of the religion. They suggest the "taking your temperature so you know when you ovulate" method.

Obviously not something that works real well for everyone.

OK, they don't believe in effective contraception.

There is real value in the 'taking your temperature' method, in knowing more about your cycle, what part of it you are in, it's very educational. But as contraception, it requires a backup method, ie. abortion. There's a learning curve.

133 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:08:32pm

re: #130 Learned Mother of Zion

That was when they brought the baby home to kiss and cuddle. You don't do that with a miscarriage.

Yeah, some people do. I saw it on Oprah.

134 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:08:43pm

Eventually Newt will bail as he has essentially admitted. That leaves Luap Nor as the only remaining fratricidal actor against Romney. I'm sure President Obama hopes Paul stays in until the bitter end.

135 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:09:10pm

re: #114 Iwouldprefernotto

Don't care if it sounds callous. Rick S and his wife made the choice of having the baby. They want to take the choice away from the rest of us. I respect their decision, but they don't respect mine.

Wait, what? I know schadenfreude is a popular concept these days, but this isn't merely person x suffering, it involves someone else who didn't ask for it. Just because you think person x is an asshole doesn't mean person y should suffer a serious birth defect to make person x suffer for being an asshole.

That vitriol and venom isn't justified here.

136 jaunte  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:10:31pm

re: #91 Lidane

"I'm not going to start cheerleading for Romney. I'm going to scream from the rafters how awful Obama is."

He manages to encapsulate the whole GOP strategy there. "We don't love Mitt, but we hate Barack."

137 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:10:38pm

re: #132 wrenchwench

OK, they don't believe in effective contraception.

There is real value in the 'taking your temperature' method, in knowing more about your cycle, what part of it you are in, it's very educational. But as contraception, it requires a backup method, ie. abortion. There's a learning curve.

I have one friend for whom the taking your temperature method worked very well. She is just one of those healthy farm-type girls who was regular as clockwork and hardy as hell. She wasn't RC, one of those wholesome "I don't want chemicals in my body" type people.

She is the only person for whom I know the method worked consistently.

138 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:10:49pm

re: #94 Kragar

What do you expect when this man is treated like an actual scholar?

Barton: The Constitution Quotes the Bible 'Verbatim'

[Embedded content]

And the bible quotes (or totally rips off stories) of the Epic of Gilgamesh (ancient Sumerian story(s)). What should I take from that Mr. Barton?

139 Gus  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:11:36pm

So Republicans are going to have to keep the buzz alive all the way until the end of August with Romney -- already the de facto nominee -- with none other than Newt Gingrich and Ron Paul. Essentially we're looking at one Mitt Romney 2012.13 V.13™ alongside two bottles of vinegar.

140 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:11:50pm

re: #135 bloodstar

Wait, what? I know schadenfreude is a popular concept these days, but this isn't merely person x suffering, it involves someone else who didn't ask for it. Just because you think person x is an asshole doesn't mean person y should suffer a serious birth defect to make person x suffer for being an asshole.

That vitriol and venom isn't justified here.

Yeah, I'm not really into the idea of bringing a child into the world to do nothing but suffer and die. I don't understand how that can be part of "God's Plan" for them.

Just my personal belief system.

141 kirghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:12:03pm

re: #125 leftynyc

Pubs never learn and they know they have a gender gap problem. I'm convinced he picks a woman and she's the only one I can think of that the base will like (as he also needs to shore up his base who hates him).

Liked by the base? Hispanic. Woman. Signed a bill that continued sanctuary status for illegal immigrants who are victims and witnesses to criminal acts. (It removed that status for criminals.) Has stated a desire to repeal the law that prohibits children of illegal immigrants access to lottery funded scholarships for college. (though she does want to repeal the bill that lets illegal immigrants get drivers' licenses.)

Never mind the parenthetical clauses I wrote, she's obviously an

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT SYMPATHIZER.

And the middle is going to be a bit concerned at her "balanced budget and decreased taxes" plus her rabid anti-choice positions, for which there are plenty of youtubes in existence.

142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:12:54pm

He's a nut!
-Barney Fife

143 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:13:10pm

re: #138 RayFerd

And the bible quotes (or totally rips off stories) of the Epic of Gilgamesh (ancient Sumerian story(s)). What should I take from that Mr. Barton?

Hammurabi should also sue for copyright infringement.

144 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:13:15pm

re: #135 bloodstar

Wait, what? I know schadenfreude is a popular concept these days, but this isn't merely person x suffering, it involves someone else who didn't ask for it. Just because you think person x is an asshole doesn't mean person y should suffer a serious birth defect to make person x suffer for being an asshole.

That vitriol and venom isn't justified here.

The Venom is against Rick, not his daughter. It is unlikely that his daughter has any idea how I feel about her father. The Fact is that if Rick S were elected he would do everything in his power to take away power from my duaghter. He has already spread tons of hate against women and gays. Enough.

145 Alouenghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:13:33pm

re: #142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He's a nut!
-Barney Fife

Missed ya, Veggie.

146 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:13:37pm
147 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:14:39pm

re: #142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He's a nut!
-Barney Fife

How's CV?

148 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:14:56pm

re: #142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He's a nut!
-Barney Fife

Hey there. We were wondering about you lately!

149 Gus  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:15:25pm

Cake is a lie. In fact. Most cake is like Communism.

150 Lidanghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:15:31pm

re: #122 ggt

Actually, RC church does believe in contraception--just not by artificial means. Don't ask me what the frickin' logic is.

Vatican logic: "Artificial" contraception (condoms, The Pill, IUDs, etc.) are artificial barriers to having children that interfere with God's will.

The claim is that natural family planning is just as effective as the pill when done correctly. Problem is, most people don't do it correctly, since they may not read tests correctly, or miss symptoms, or they decide to hell with all of the record keeping and constant stress and have sex even when they think a woman might be in her fertile days, so they end up with a much higher risk of an unintended pregnancy. It's why even most Catholic couples don't bother with natural family planning and just use some sort of artificial birth control.

151 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:16:26pm

Don't think Romney's gonna work too hard at addressing the party's deficits amongst women and minorities, except to "unzip" himself in the Fall. I think he's gonna focus on gas prices and jobs, two major issues, and pick somebody he thinks can help he emphasize those while also having a charisma that rates higher than that of a plank of wood.

152 dragonfire1981  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:17:54pm

Caught this new RNC ad on Fox News this morning (it was on the TV at my gym).

153 William of Orange  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:19:40pm

So much for brokering.

I've got a mental picture in my head of Newt Gingrich doing the funky chicken!!!

Hahaha!!!!


154 Lidanghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:20:02pm

Gov. Martinez in New Mexico isn't an option for Mitt:

Susana Martinez: I will not be vice president

New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez (R) has issued a firm denial of any interest in being vice president. Unlike some politicians we won’t name, she sounds like she actually means it. Martinez is the guardian of a developmentally disabled sister and says it would be “devastating” to separate her the rest of their family: “I just couldn’t do it.”

155 dragonfire1981  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:20:29pm

re: #151 Targetpractice

Don't think Romney's gonna work too hard at addressing the party's deficits amongst women and minorities, except to "unzip" himself in the Fall. I think he's gonna focus on gas prices and jobs, two major issueIs, and pick somebody he thinks can help he emphasize those while also having a charisma that rates higher than that of a plank of wood.

Romney/Nugent 2012!

156 ghazidor  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:20:30pm

Damn and here I was hoping a "real conservative" like Santorum or Newt would win the nomination so that when they lost by a landslide on election day these delusional Far Right "Christians" would finally realize that they really do not represent the majority in this country with their "Back to the mythical fifties" platform.

Now if/when Romney loses all we will hear for another four years is the same old, "We only lost because our candidate wasn't 'conservative' enough." Even if Romney gets hammered in the general election and loses by a large margin it isn't going to do anything to help bring sanity back to what used to be my party. The true believers will just rightfully claim that Romney was never their choice and didn't represent them anyway (pretty much like they have disowned George W). Therefore his loss would be because he never really had the support of the "Base."

Santorum 2016!!!!

/Sigh...stupid fuckers...

157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:21:10pm

re: #145 Learned Mother of Zion
re: #147 ggt
re: #148 Johnny Derp

I've spent a month at trying to be a better husband, a more responsible homeowner (fixing shit), and to get better at my job.

All three have worked remarkably well. Even learned to do some (GASP!) manual labor thingies.

158 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:22:09pm

re: #157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #147 ggt
re: #148 Johnny Derp

I've spent a month at trying to be a better husband, a more responsible homeowner (fixing shit), and to get better at my job.

All three have worked remarkably well. Even learned to do some (GASP!) manual labor thingies.

So you're on parole?

159 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:22:16pm

re: #153 William of Orange

So much for brokering.

I've got a mental picture in my head of Newt Gingrich doing the funky chicken!!!

Hahaha!!!

Seek Help!

160 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:22:34pm

re: #157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Congrats, man.

And you were missed and everyone talked about how devilishly charming you were while you were gone.

161 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:22:39pm

re: #154 Lidane

Gov. Martinez in New Mexico isn't an option for Mitt:

Susana Martinez: I will not be vice president

And Brewer's a combative nut, while Haley's watching her approval ratings tunnel to China. No, if there's a woman VP in Romney's future, it's gonna be from the shadows of the party, because none of the visible prospects do more than weigh him down further.

162 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:22:47pm

re: #150 Lidane

Vatican logic: "Artificial" contraception (condoms, The Pill, IUDs, etc.) are artificial barriers to having children that interfere with God's will.

The claim is that natural family planning is just as effective as the pill when done correctly. Problem is, most people don't do it correctly, since they may not read tests correctly, or miss symptoms, or they decide to hell with all of the record keeping and constant stress and have sex even when they think a woman might be in her fertile days, so they end up with a much higher risk of an unintended pregnancy. It's why even most Catholic couples don't bother with natural family planning and just use some sort of artificial birth control.

There is always biology to contend with. A very strong orgasm can produce ovulation out of sync with the cycle. Violent rape can also produce ovulation as it can cause a violent organsm. Something to do with evolutionary biology.

So the "take your temperature" method can backfire if the woman really enjoys spending time with her husband.

I still don't get why God doesn't like for science to be involved. I would think he would want each child to be wanted and planned for. I think it is the men in the church heirarchy who need worker bees to tithe.

163 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:23:00pm
164 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:23:43pm

re: #157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #147 ggt
re: #148 Johnny Derp

I've spent a month at trying to be a better husband, a more responsible homeowner (fixing shit), and to get better at my job.

All three have worked remarkably well. Even learned to do some (GASP!) manual labor thingies.

I am so proud of you!

165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:24:06pm

re: #158 Decatur Deb

So you're on parole?

Nah... not at home, killing a little time.

I've missed y'all... but I've got another month of this.

Wasn't for Lent or anything. Was just starting to not like me.

Not gonna flounce, ain't been banned,
Still the fattest veggie in the land.

166 Gus  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:24:32pm

re: #161 Targetpractice

And Brewer's a combative nut, while Haley's watching her approval ratings tunnel to China. No, if there's a woman VP in Romney's future, it's gonna be from the shadows of the party, because none of the visible prospects do more than weigh him down further.

The problem for Mitt is that any prime Republican will be reluctant to be a VP candidate with him if they perceive or if it looks like he might lose. Today's polling doesn't help him. I see that because running as a VP kills your chances to run for president at a later date.

167 Lidanghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:24:38pm

re: #162 ggt

I still don't get why God doesn't like for science to be involved.

Because of reasons, that's why. It's what the Vatican wants, after all. =P

168 William of Orange  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:24:38pm

re: #159 Iwouldprefernotto

Seek Help!

I did!! Quick! Gimme another picture. Romney voting Dem by accident!!

Pfew! That helps!

169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:25:35pm

re: #160 Obdicut

Congrats, man.

And you were missed and everyone talked about how devilishly charming you were while you were gone.

Heh.

170 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:25:46pm

re: #144 Iwouldprefernotto

The Venom is against Rick, not his daughter. It is unlikely that his daughter has any idea how I feel about her father. The Fact is that if Rick S were elected he would do everything in his power to take away power from them. He has already spread tons of hate against women and gays. Enough.

Then just call him an asshole for his views. Keep the message unconfused and undiluted. :)

171 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:26:30pm

re: #166 Gus

The problem for Mitt is that any prime Republican will be reluctant to be a VP candidate with him if they perceive or if it looks like he might lose. Today's polling doesn't help him. I see that because running as a VP kills your chances to run for president at a later date.

Yep, which is why we can go ahead and write off any of the '16 hopefuls from contention.

172 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:26:30pm

re: #167 Lidane

Because of reasons, that's why. It's what the Vatican wants, after all. =P

Naw, if the serfs (lay people) have control over such things, the Men in the church hierarchy wouldn't have the authority they think is their due.

173 leftynyc  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:26:31pm

re: #141 kirkspencer

Liked by the base? Hispanic. Woman. Signed a bill that continued sanctuary status for illegal immigrants who are victims and witnesses to criminal acts. (It removed that status for criminals.) Has stated a desire to repeal the law that prohibits children of illegal immigrants access to lottery funded scholarships for college. (though she does want to repeal the bill that lets illegal immigrants get drivers' licenses.)

Never mind the parenthetical clauses I wrote, she's obviously an


And the middle is going to be a bit concerned at her "balanced budget and decreased taxes" plus her rabid anti-choice positions, for which there are plenty of youtubes in existence.

I don't think she's a good pick but I still think she's going to be the pick. It's practically the same scenario as Palin - top of the ticket is viewed suspiciously by the base and they need an anti-abortion candidate. That she also presumably has a uterus is all they think they need to close the gender gap.

174 William of Orange  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:26:56pm

I think his application for a spot at Fixnews is already on it's way...

175 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:26:57pm

Santorum who?

176 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:27:09pm
177 kirghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:27:24pm

re: #168 William of Orange

I did!! Quick! Gimme another picture. Romney voting Dem by accident!!

Pfew! That helps!

Or intentionally.

Years and years ago, when I was in high school, I ran for an office. By the time of the election I decided the other person was better qualified than me and cast my secret ballot that direction.

I lost by one vote.

Worth noting I've never done that since.

178 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:27:52pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Apparently Santorum already called Romney to concede. So his delegates will most likely be going to Romney.

Been saying from the very beginning that Romney would be the candidate; he's next in the GOP line of succession, end of story. All of this other stuff was just theater -- the religious right seeing how far they could push the envelope to the extreme right.

Which they have pushed to the limits of incredulity.

179 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:27:58pm

re: #176 Interesting Times

Not strange at all. Social conservatism.

180 Lidanghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:28:06pm

re: #161 Targetpractice

And Brewer's a combative nut, while Haley's watching her approval ratings tunnel to China. No, if there's a woman VP in Romney's future, it's gonna be from the shadows of the party, because none of the visible prospects do more than weigh him down further.

I'd say that Mitt should do us all a favor and take Caribou Barbie down with him, but bringing her on board might get the wingnuts to the polls, so no.

181 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:28:27pm

re: #173 leftynyc

I don't think she's a good pick but I still think she's going to be the pick. It's practically the same scenario as Palin - top of the ticket is viewed suspiciously by the base and they need an anti-abortion candidate. That she also presumably has a uterus is all they think they need to close the gender gap.

I think they're gonna write off the gender gap as being a product of the "war on women" they're convinced is fictional and limit their focus to the things they think they can win on, which are jobs and gas prices.

182 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:29:01pm

I am the worse traveller ever.

I'm in freakin' Hawaii and it's beautiful and all, but well, I can say I've been here.

It's not worth the money and the travel time, IMHO.

The volcano was cool. I can say I've been on a volcano.

183 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:29:11pm

Obama's giving a barn-burner speech in Florida. He's killin' it.

I think he's actually getting better as a speaker.

184 leftynyc  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:29:16pm

re: #154 Lidane

Gov. Martinez in New Mexico isn't an option for Mitt:

Susana Martinez: I will not be vice president

Now that I did not know. I know they're going to try for a woman - I'm going to have to do some research on who it can be (I thought at one time Nicky Haley but I think they're going to try for someone from a blue or purple state).

185 William of Orange  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:29:23pm

re: #169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heh.

You gave me a kudo right away!

Thanks man!! Missed you.

186 Gus  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:29:42pm

re: #171 Targetpractice

Yep, which is why we can go ahead and write off any of the '16 hopefuls from contention.

It's a gamble.

187 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:29:46pm

re: #176 Interesting Times

I've been noticing that myself.

Only I see the similarity with the mullahs in Iran.

188 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:30:07pm

re: #183 Charles Johnson

Obama's giving a barn-burner speech in Florida. He's killin' it.

I think he's actually getting better as a speaker.

What happened, did they finally drag '08 Obama back out of the cage they had him locked in?

189 Lidanghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:30:16pm

re: #173 leftynyc

I don't think she's a good pick but I still think she's going to be the pick. It's practically the same scenario as Palin - top of the ticket is viewed suspiciously by the base and they need an anti-abortion candidate. That she also presumably has a uterus is all they think they need to close the gender gap.

Except that she doesn't want the job and has a damn good reason to say no. Never mind her political goals, Martinez is also the guardian for her developmentally disabled sister, and a political campaign and VP slot would mean separating her sister from her father and the rest of the family. The father has Alzheimer's disease. She's been saying no all along and I'm pretty sure she's going to stick with it.

190 William of Orange  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:30:16pm

re: #183 Charles Johnson

Obama's giving a barn-burner speech in Florida. He's killin' it.

I think he's actually getting better as a speaker.

Will be online later? I'm on the east side of the Atlantic.

191 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:30:32pm

re: #183 Charles Johnson

Obama's giving a barn-burner speech in Florida. He's killin' it.

I think he's actually getting better as a speaker.

ITS JUS A NEW TELIPOMPTER MODULE!!1 HERP DERP DERP

192 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:31:04pm

re: #182 ggt

I am the worse traveller ever.

I'm in freakin' Hawaii and it's beautiful and all, but well, I can say I've been here.

It's not worth the money and the travel time, IMHO.

Why?

193 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:31:09pm

re: #181 Targetpractice

I think they're gonna write off the gender gap as being a product of the "war on women" they're convinced is fictional and limit their focus to the things they think they can win on, which are jobs and gas prices and caterpillars.

FTFY.

194 leftynyc  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:31:21pm

re: #181 Targetpractice

I think they're gonna write off the gender gap as being a product of the "war on women" they're convinced is fictional and limit their focus to the things they think they can win on, which are jobs and gas prices.

I hope they do think it's fictional. It'll make the win that much sweeter.

195 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:31:34pm

re: #191 Johnny Derp

lol

196 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:32:29pm

re: #143 Johnny Derp

Hammurabi should also sue for copyright infringement.

Or at least a cut of the huge amount of cash that has been brought in over the centuries for the church using these stories to inspire/scare the faithful.

197 William of Orange  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:33:59pm

Herman Cain was waiting for this moment to kick-start his campaign all over again. LOL.

198 Lidanghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:34:14pm

re: #184 leftynyc

Now that I did not know. I know they're going to try for a woman - I'm going to have to do some research on who it can be (I thought at one time Nicky Haley but I think they're going to try for someone from a blue or purple state).

They'll try for a woman, but it won't be Haley, who is political poison, and it won't be Martinez, who has valid reasons to say no.

My guess is that Mitt and the rest of the GOP will continue to delude themselves into believing that the war on women is a liberal fiction, so he'll end up with a male VP. He needs a wingnut by his side to shore up the base, so I'm thinking it will be someone like Allen West.

199 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:34:59pm

re: #197 William of Orange

Herman Cain was waiting for this moment to kick-start himself all over again. LOL.

As well he should. We should not be made to suffer through months of Romney solo.

200 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:35:50pm

re: #192 Johnny Derp

Why?

The time lag takes a lot out of me. I think if I were to come back, I'd have to spend a month. My sleep cycle is still way off. Not sleeping makes the old body hurt more, the mind work less well and limits the activities one can engage in.

11 hours on a airplane didn't do the back any good either. Been wearing a brace and doing my exercizes so all is relatively ok, but it would take a week or so for me to be ready to do some hiking--which is what I would really like to do here. The geology is very cool. Lots of very interesting historical stuff on the islands too. Takes time to investigate and digest. A week long vacation isn't enough.

I'm not a hang-on-the-beach person. For beaches, partying, shopping touristy type stuff--I feel like I might as well be in Florida. Florida would be cheaper.

FYI--gas as been between $4.90 and $5/gal here. Luckily the island isn't so big that you burn lots of gas getting places.

201 Gus  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:35:59pm

re: #191 Johnny Derp

Lies! Can't you people hear?!? He just said, "I AM A COMMUNIST AND AFTER MY REELECTION I WILL IMPRISON ALL REPUBLICANS IN FEMA CAMPS TO BEGIN THEIR REEDUCATION. THEREAFTER I WILL SEND MY MOOZLAMIC RAYGUN MESSAGES WITH MY EYES TO ALL THE MOOZLAMIC TERROR CELLS AND ESTABLISH A SECULAR-MOOZLAMIC STATE WHICH WILL BURN THE US CONSTITOOSHUN!!!!!

202 kirghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:36:07pm

re: #184 leftynyc

Now that I did not know. I know they're going to try for a woman - I'm going to have to do some research on who it can be (I thought at one time Nicky Haley but I think they're going to try for someone from a blue or purple state).

I don't "know" they're going to try for a woman. I do, however, see your reasoning. They're losing white women at an ugly level. They're also losing hispanics, but the fight there hasn't had the politicians doing the 'no we're not' dance.

If you're going that way, the only governor that might hold a candle is Fallin of Oklahoma. However, I think you're missing the boat when you insist on only governors. Senators are good; Olympia Snowe comes to my mind as a possibility, with Kay Bailey Hutchison coming a distant second. Yes, they'd get some "RINO" cries, but I don't think either would really drive away the base.

203 erik_t  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:36:14pm

re: #198 Lidane

He needs a wingnut by his side to shore up the base, so I'm thinking it will be someone like Allen West.

The nearly-unbeatable Robot-War Criminal ticket. This cunning plan cannot fail.

204 William of Orange  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:36:29pm

re: #152 dragonfire1981

Caught this new RNC ad on Fox News this morning (it was on the TV at my gym).

[Embedded content]

"Hope to Hypocracy"?

Is that a new album by Kid Rock?

205 carlaschluge  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:37:02pm

re: #203 erik_t

My bet is on Gov. McDonnell of Virginia.

206 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:37:16pm

re: #200 ggt

Yeah, a week is too short.

207 Lidanghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:37:33pm

re: #203 erik_t

The nearly-unbeatable Robot-War Criminal ticket. This cunning plan cannot fail.

Heh.

Mitt could also bring in Michele Bachmann, which would make for a hilarious VP debate with Biden.

208 William of Orange  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:37:49pm

re: #199 Johnny Derp

As well he should. We should not be made to suffer through months of Romney solo.

Newt will campaign himself to the poor house...

209 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:37:56pm

re: #203 erik_t

The nearly-unbeatable Robot-War Criminal ticket. This cunning plan cannot fail.

Allen West would be a disaster.

Actually, I can't think of anyone who wouldn't be a disaster.

Sane people have pretty much left the party or are burying themselves in their work of choice (like Condi)

210 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:38:35pm

re: #205 carlaschluge

My bet is on Gov. McDonnell of Virginia.

That's reasonable, but he needs a Westerner/Southerner, preferably crazy.

211 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:38:45pm

re: #208 William of Orange

Newt will campaign himself to the poor house...

Nah, Newt has all but deflated. Maybe he now looks towards some post from Romney.

212 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:39:28pm

re: #206 Johnny Derp

Yeah, a week is too short.

Yeah, I can see why people come and stay. If I was here a month I might not go back. People are very cool here. Well, once you get away from the "Resort Disney-Land Atmosphere".

213 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:40:01pm

I've actually heard Paul Ryan put up as a potential VP candidate...stop laughing, I'm serious!

214 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:40:12pm

re: #135 bloodstar

Just because you think person x is an asshole doesn't mean person y should suffer a serious birth defect to make person x suffer for being an asshole.

The Santorum's knew that their daughter would be consigned to a lifetime of pain and suffering and chose to bring her into this world anyway.

That vitriol and venom isn't justified here.

The Santorum's wear their daughter and dead son like magical fetishes to augment their power in the debate over abortion. I find the public nature of their exposition, publishing books of letters to the son, talking about bringing him home and using both children as buttresses to a political argument morbid and creepy at the very least. I'm sure they also feel genuine love for both, but in arrogating themselves to the position of deciding what choices should be available to all prospective parents they're second guessing the love of those who would not choose a lifetime of pain and torment for their own unborn. That's what I find indefensible.

215 Gus  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:40:39pm

Derp.

216 Lidanghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:41:43pm

re: #213 Targetpractice

I've actually heard Paul Ryan put up as a potential VP candidate...stop laughing, I'm serious!

Now that would be fun. I still think that a Biden/Bachmann debate would be incredibly hilarious, though. I'd actually watch the VP debate if that happened.

217 jaunte  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:41:52pm

re: #215 Gus

Job 1: Don't Talk About Our Candidate Romney!

218 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:41:54pm

re: #215 Gus

Ugh. I didn't know Pimpaugh tweets too.

219 Lidanghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:42:39pm

re: #218 Johnny Derp

Ugh. I didn't know Pimpaugh had interns to tweet for him too.

FTFY ;)

I doubt Limbaugh even understands Twitter.

220 Gus  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:42:51pm

re: #218 Johnny Derp

Ugh. I didn't know Pimpaugh tweets too.

Not sure if it's him. But yeah. This is a relatively new Twitter account which opened up soon after he took that 2 week leave.

221 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:43:10pm

re: #219 Lidane

FTFY ;)

I doubt Limbaugh even understands Twitter.

Yeah, I think he's too old-style for that.

222 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:43:34pm

bbl

223 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:43:35pm

re: #216 Lidane

Now that would be fun. I still think that a Biden/Bachmann debate would be incredibly hilarious, though. I'd actually watch the VP debate if that happened.

Wouldn't really be a "debate" then, it would be Michele running off at the mouth while the moderator and Biden sat and watched with wide-eyed astonishment.

224 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:43:44pm

re: #216 Lidane

Now that would be fun. I still think that a Biden/Bachmann debate would be incredibly hilarious, though. I'd actually watch the VP debate if that happened.

Biden might actually show her up. He is a smart capable guy, even his habit of misspeaking would show him to be the psychologically sound candidate next to Bachmann.

225 erik_t  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:44:23pm

re: #223 Targetpractice

Wouldn't really be a "debate" then, it would be Michele running off at the mouth while the moderator and Biden sat and watched with wide-eyed astonishment.

So the GOP Clowncar replaces one sort of froth with another.

I can get behind this.

226 carlaschluge  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:44:57pm

re: #221 Johnny Derp

[Link: twitter.com...]

227 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:45:49pm

On the terrace and battery is running low.

Have a great afternoon (or whatever) all!

228 erik_t  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:47:09pm

re: #224 ggt

Biden might actually show her up. He is a smart capable guy, even his habit of misspeaking would show him to be the psychologically sound candidate next to Bachmann.

Might? In the 'sun-might-rise-tomorrow' sort of context?

229 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:47:33pm

re: #213 Targetpractice

I've actually heard Paul Ryan put up as a potential VP candidate...stop laughing, I'm serious!

I'd love that. Then the 1st Congressional would get someone else while he get's unemployed. Most Excellent, Dude!

230 kirghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:48:52pm

re: #210 Decatur Deb

That's reasonable, but he needs a Westerner/Southerner, preferably crazy.

Nope. Regions don't matter so much as Romney's weaknesses are in the deep red states, which are going to stay red regardless. He needs to inspire turnout in close states in some fashion.

That means pulling states like Pennsylvania and maybe Wisconsin. The two routes are to appeal to the disgruntled crazy-base and excite them so they overwhelm the blue in those states, or bring back the women who are leaving in droves and overwhelm the blue that way.

The problem with the crazies is that's who is driving away the women. The women, on the other hand, annoy but do not drive away the crazies. The math works.

Note this doesn't mean it is what Romney will do, it just shows the avenue.

(And yes, the reasoning is such that Bachmann makes a great possibility. All you have to do is ignore reality.)

231 Kragarghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:49:35pm
232 William of Orange  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:50:12pm

Santorum is a douche of course.

Still, I'm only human and not blind for his suffering. A daughter with such a rare disease is not something to take lightly. Seeing that Romney was so far ahead, I think taking family priority over the Presidential race is a sensible decision. I hope things will turn out for the best for her and hope Santorum has the time to enjoy her stay on this earth much longer than the three years she has behind her. Already she's beating the odds. Keep fighting for her.

Peace,
W.

233 kirghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:50:34pm

re: #224 ggt

Biden might actually show her up. He is a smart capable guy, even his habit of misspeaking would show him to be the psychologically sound candidate next to Bachmann.

I sort of got the impression Biden wishes he'd done differently with Palin. He let a lot of softballs fly past in an attempt to seem, well, professional. I don't think he'd play it the same way this time.

234 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:51:18pm

re: #231 Kragar

Santorum may be gone but his "legacy" continues. //

235 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:51:39pm

re: #231 Kragar

Arizona Legislature Approves 20-Week Abortion Ban

What war on women!?

///

236 leftynyc  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:51:51pm

re: #198 Lidane

They'll try for a woman, but it won't be Haley, who is political poison, and it won't be Martinez, who has valid reasons to say no.

My guess is that Mitt and the rest of the GOP will continue to delude themselves into believing that the war on women is a liberal fiction, so he'll end up with a male VP. He needs a wingnut by his side to shore up the base, so I'm thinking it will be someone like Allen West.

Well, that would be bold considering he has shown no evidence he can win outside of one congressional district. And didnt' he get thrown out of the military? Something about threatening to shoot someone (I'm very vague on the details but I do remember him being called a war criminal). But from a purple state so there's that.

237 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:53:45pm

Now I think I'm going to officially join the Hitchens fan club:

The cure for poverty has a name...

238 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:54:53pm

re: #236 leftynyc

Well, that would be bold considering he has shown no evidence he can win outside of one congressional district. And didnt' he get thrown out of the military? Something about threatening to shoot someone (I'm very vague on the details but I do remember him being called a war criminal). But from a purple state so there's that.

He had an Iraqi cop dragged in on suspicion of supporting the insurgents, allowed soldiers under his command to beat the shit out of the cop, then discharged his firearm next to the cop's head to scare him into believing that West was willing to kill him to get the information he wanted. The cop proceeded to blather out of a bunch of shit that turned out to be useless, which should come as no surprise to folks who understand that tortured suspects will say anything if they think it will make the torture stop.

239 leftynyc  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:55:14pm

re: #202 kirkspencer

I don't "know" they're going to try for a woman. I do, however, see your reasoning. They're losing white women at an ugly level. They're also losing hispanics, but the fight there hasn't had the politicians doing the 'no we're not' dance.

If you're going that way, the only governor that might hold a candle is Fallin of Oklahoma. However, I think you're missing the boat when you insist on only governors. Senators are good; Olympia Snowe comes to my mind as a possibility, with Kay Bailey Hutchison coming a distant second. Yes, they'd get some "RINO" cries, but I don't think either would really drive away the base.

I don't insist on governors - senator would be good also but they're too old and most considered RINO's (by the lunatic base). Snowe would work but Hutchinson is from TX and I really think they're going to try and snatch a state that Pres Obama won last time.

240 leftynyc  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:56:13pm

re: #209 ggt

Allen West would be a disaster.

Actually, I can't think of anyone who wouldn't be a disaster.

Sane people have pretty much left the party or are burying themselves in their work of choice (like Condi)

Condi would be a great choice but I'm not sure she would accept.

241 Lidanghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:56:51pm

Haha. Free Republic has given Mittens the middle finger:

Notice: FR is and will remain a pro-life, small government conservative site.

To hell with the GOP-e. Barring a miracle, they got their big government, unconstitutional mandate loving, socialist abortionist Obama-lite RINO on the ballot, they can now get him elected.

We are the resistance!!

Shove him down our throats today, we shove him up your donkeys in November!!

I can see November from my house!!

242 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:57:21pm

re: #209 ggt

Actually, I can't think of anyone who wouldn't be a disaster

gop 2012 campaign in a nutshell

243 Lidanghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:57:55pm

re: #240 leftynyc

Condi would be a great choice but I'm not sure she would accept.

I think Condi would rather eat glass than get back into politics.

244 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:57:58pm

re: #241 Lidane

Haha. Free Republic has given Mittens the middle finger:

Notice: FR is and will remain a pro-life, small government conservative site.

I knew it wouldn't be long before the wingnuts blew a collective gasket.

245 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:58:43pm

re: #230 kirkspencer

Nope. Regions don't matter so much as Romney's weaknesses are in the deep red states, which are going to stay red regardless. He needs to inspire turnout in close states in some fashion.

That means pulling states like Pennsylvania and maybe Wisconsin. The two routes are to appeal to the disgruntled crazy-base and excite them so they overwhelm the blue in those states, or bring back the women who are leaving in droves and overwhelm the blue that way.

The problem with the crazies is that's who is driving away the women. The women, on the other hand, annoy but do not drive away the crazies. The math works.

Note this doesn't mean it is what Romney will do, it just shows the avenue.

(And yes, the reasoning is such that Bachmann makes a great possibility. All you have to do is ignore reality.)

You're right that the Confederacy will vote against Obama in all cases, but there is a lot of shoring up to do in evangelical, oyster-free 'Real America". How about Romney/Huckabee? You know, for the 'human' touch.

246 Gus  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:59:22pm

re: #241 Lidane

Haha. Free Republic has given Mittens the middle finger:

Notice: FR is and will remain a pro-life, small government conservative site.

Awesome sauce. Just Tweeted with your lead.

247 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:00:13pm

re: #245 Decatur Deb

You're right that the Confederacy will vote against Obama in all cases, but there is a lot of shoring up to do in evangelical, oyster-free 'Real America". How about Romney/Huckabee? You know, for the 'human' touch.

Think Huck's got his eyes on '16.

248 Gus  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:01:08pm

Yikes. I mentioned stogie in one of my Tweets and almost instantly got two cigar type follows.

249 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:01:10pm

re: #183 Charles Johnson

Obama's giving a barn-burner speech in Florida. He's killin' it.

I think he's actually getting better as a speaker.

Practice makes perfect...

250 erik_t  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:01:24pm

re: #241 Lidane

Haha. Free Republic has given Mittens the middle finger:

Notice: FR is and will remain a pro-life, small government conservative site.

Might I humbly suggest y'all start a third party? This would absolutely help get America back on the right track.

(possibly not in the way you are thinking)

251 Gus  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:01:24pm

3

252 Ben Jhazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:02:06pm

Wow. CNN is reporting that Zim will be speaking within the hour.

253 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:02:42pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

Rick Santorum's last campaign ad predicted the end of the world if he wasn't elected.

Clearly, now we are all doomed.

Yes, but not for the reasons he thinks.
/evilgrin

254 Gus  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:03:03pm

re: #252 Oblivious Troll

Wow. CNN is reporting that Zim will be speaking within the hour.

Alas! Now we'll get the troof!

//

255 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:03:17pm

re: #250 erik_t

Might I humbly suggest y'all start a third party? This would absolutely help get America back on the right track.

(possibly not in the way you are thinking)

Freep needs to start a Palin/Cain write-in campaign, just to preserve principled conservatism.

256 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:03:56pm

re: #248 Gus

Yikes. I mentioned stogie in one of my Tweets and almost instantly got two cigar type follows.

It's a way of life.
- My dad

257 Ben Jhazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:05:07pm

re: #254 Gus

Alas! Now we'll get the troof!

//

My gut tells me this is a bad idea.

258 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:05:29pm

re: #255 Decatur Deb

Freep needs to start a Palin/Cain write-in campaign, just to preserve principled conservatism.

Image: 5055032357_69d1d1be72_z.jpg

259 Gus  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:05:39pm

re: #257 Oblivious Troll

My gut tells me this is a bad idea.

Sideshow. No doubt he'll get payed for this.

260 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:05:48pm

Supreme Court Says No Need For More Vote Counting, Calls It For Republican Candidate

hey it worked in 2000 why wait for november this time?

261 Lidanghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:07:12pm

re: #257 Oblivious Troll

My gut tells me this is a bad idea.

His lawyers should be telling him it's a bad idea. Anything he says to the press will be used against him if he ends up getting charged with a crime.

262 Gus  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:07:19pm

Hang on. Updated. Not GZ...

263 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:07:23pm

re: #252 Oblivious Troll

Wow. CNN is reporting that Zim will be speaking within the hour.

He either is going for an "incompetent council" appeal afterwards or his attorneys are in need of their brown pants about now...

264 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:07:46pm

ADL: Domestic Extremists Seek To Exploit Trayvon Martin Shooting By Spreading Racism and Hatred

Extremists competing for attention in the aftermath of the shooting range from the anti-Semitic New Black Panther Party, which has organized protests in Sanford since the shooting and whose members have offered a $10,000 reward for the "capture" of Zimmerman, to the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement, which says it is planning to carry out armed patrols in Sanford to protect local white citizens from alleged "racial violence" taking place there.

Among the more outlandish conspiracy theories surrounding the shooting, some extremists have even suggested that Zimmerman is in fact Jewish.

"It is deeply troubling that haters of all stripes are seeking to capitalize on the publicity surrounding the Trayvon Martin case in an effort to promote racism, bigotry and even anti-Semitism," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director. "The shooting of Trayvon Martin is a troubling case, but to add an element of racism and hate to the pressure-cooker environment surrounding this shooting is deplorable. As local and federal law enforcement continue to pursue their investigation, it is important for cooler heads to prevail and for Americans not to buy into the messages of hate and misinformation being promoted by domestic extremist groups."

265 Ben Jhazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:08:17pm

re: #260 engineer cat

Supreme Court Says No Need For More Vote Counting, Calls It For Republican Candidate

hey it worked in 2000 why wait for november this time?

Hey, if disregarding the vote is good enough for Michigan ...

266 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:10:01pm

re: #265 Oblivious Troll

Hey, if disregarding the vote is good enough for Michigan ...

1, 2, skip a few, 73!

267 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:10:29pm

re: #16 Shvaughn

She probably won't be, based on the nature of her illness.

Kid's on a roll. She's already ahead of predictions. Maybe she'll keep it going.

I can't imagine how hard this must be for the family.

268 Ben Jhazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:10:37pm

re: #263 William Barnett-Lewis

He either is going for an "incompetent council" appeal afterwards or his attorneys are in need of their brown pants about now...

I'm beginning to suspect that Zim has retained the services of Lionel Hutz for his counsel.

269 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:12:47pm

re: #40 erik_t

This is something that Santorum's daughter has been and will be dealing with for the rest of her life (may it be a long and not-unpleasant one). It's not some sort of unforeseen circumstance that throws things up in a tizzy. I think concentration on Santorum's dropping out of the race should not be conflated with concentration on his daughter's health problems; I think any link is likely to be a straw-breaking-camel's-back situation, at most.

This is true, but frankly, aside from my deep political and spiritual loathing for the man, his youngest child is most likely facing a very short life. I would like him to be doing something that enables him to spend time with her, rather than fruitlessly seeking a presidency he can't win.

270 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:12:59pm

re: #268 Oblivious Troll

I'm beginning to suspect that Zim has retained the services of Lionel Hutz for his counsel.

Cambridge firm--Dewey, Cheatum & Howe.

272 RadicalModerate  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:13:46pm

re: #231 Kragar

Arizona Legislature Approves 20-Week Abortion Ban

Is this the bill that had the amendment that used the time of a woman's last period as the date she became pregnant - which means she could have become pregnant two weeks before having sex?

273 Lidanghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:15:14pm

re: #244 Targetpractice

I knew it wouldn't be long before the wingnuts blew a collective gasket.

The owner of Free Republic is spitting nails right now. More posts from him in the same thread:

Eff the GOP-e. There’s no way in hell that I will vote for their abortionist, homo rights pushing, gun-grabbing, big government mandate loving socialist healthcare pushing constitution trampler. They’ve gone a RINO too far.
---

Well, you can place the blame squarely on the GOP RINO-e, Karl Rove, Fox News and Mitt Romney himself for using their money, media and connections to utterly destroy the TEA Party and all of our conservative candidates. Eff ‘em. They deserve to go down as a failed party.
---

Romney is a draft dodger. Cowardly rich boy with connections refused to serve his country. None of his sons ever served either. It’s a family tradition. Romney loathed Reagan-Bush and conservatism. Ran and governed to the left of Ted Kennedy on gay rights, abortion, gun control, socialist healthcare, appoint liberal judges, etc. He’s nothing but a lying two-bit leftist political whore who will screw you in the end. No way in hell will I support him.
---

No way in hell will I support or vote for that abortionist/socialist bastard or reward the backstabbing elitist RINO GOP for foisting the leftist RINO on us!! Screw the GOP!!

I wonder when he'll tell us how he really feels. Heh.

274 Lidanghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:17:00pm

re: #272 RadicalModerate

Is this the bill that had the amendment that used the time of a woman's last period as the date she became pregnant - which means she could have become pregnant two weeks before having sex?

Image: Xzibit.jpg

275 William of Orange  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:18:36pm

God! I love my country, the Netherlands! Archeologists have uncovered a grave site during excavations in preparation for a new rail connection. In it was found.... wait for it.... 4200-year old canabis!
Even then they were smoking pot!


Yo Romans! Peace man!

This is ten days past April fools day, so this is very real!

276 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:20:10pm

re: #273 Lidane

The owner of Free Republic is spitting nails right now. More posts from him in the same thread:

I wonder when he'll tell us how he really feels. Heh.

"If we've lost Free Republic, we've lost Coeur 'd Alene."

277 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:22:12pm

re: #106 erik_t

Santorum made the choice, long ago, that consensual sex and politics should be intertwined. I think it's stupid and backwards and downright medieval, but here we are.

I don't consider that to have jack to do with whether I get to go around criticizing him having a child.

I'll happily criticize him for sticking his nose in other people's business, and for any hypocrisy that surfaces about his not doing as he tells others to do. But how and why Karen Santorum got pregnant at forty-eight, and what she chose to do then, is none of my goddamn business.

278 kirghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:22:15pm

re: #245 Decatur Deb

You're right that the Confederacy will vote against Obama in all cases, but there is a lot of shoring up to do in evangelical, oyster-free 'Real America". How about Romney/Huckabee? You know, for the 'human' touch.

It's not just the confederacy, it's flyover - or at least the Great American Desert.

The two oddballs are Colorado and New Mexico, which have (relatively) small numbers of electoral votes and are on nobody's radar as bellwethers or leaders.

As I said earlier, Romney needs to take most of Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Ohio, Indiana, Iowa, and of course CO and NM from Obama to win. He can't pull from just one of those regions, he needs them all -- those, plus possibly Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, are the weak states.

Look at them on a map (or if you've got good spatial sense, in your head). Mark them by region, and ask who would come from one and sway others.

There is no strong region, no single region that by itself wins for Romney. So he's got to split the math on other variables.

279 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:22:25pm

re: #275 William of Orange

God! I love my country, the Netherlands! Archeologists have uncovered a grave site during excavations in preparation for a new rail connection. In it was found... wait for it... 4200-year old canabis!
Even then they were smoking pot!

Yo Romans! Peace man!

This is ten days past April fools day, so this is very real!

Hey--he had a scrip, man. It was for his scrofula.

280 Lidanghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:23:09pm

Still waiting for the Free Republic owner's real feelings:

If Wallace was here, he’d shoot lighting bolts from his eyes and fire balls from his arse. All I can do is refuse to vote for the socialist bastard that brought us ObamaCare (either one of them). RomneyCare begat ObamaCare and Romney already has a national healthcare task force lined up to bring similar RomneyCare programs to all 57 states. No thank you. He’s just more of the same.

Haha, wow. I don't think I've seen someone completely flip out like this in a while. I can only imagine his reaction if Barack Obama wins a second term.

281 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:25:14pm

re: #280 Lidane

Still waiting for the Free Republic owner's real feelings:

Haha, wow. I don't think I've seen someone completely flip out like this in a while. I can only imagine his reaction if Barack Obama wins a second term.

Personally, I dread Election Day +1, because I know that win or lose, the far-right is gonna flip the fuck out.

282 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:27:52pm

re: #268 Oblivious Troll

I'm beginning to suspect that Zim has retained the services of Lionel Hutz for his counsel.

Sounds like he also needs the services of Dr. Hibbert and Dr. Nick...

283 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:35:55pm

re: #282 talon_262

And Dr. Marvin Monroe...

284 makeitstop  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:37:50pm

re: #273 Lidane

The owner of Free Republic is spitting nails right now. More posts from him in the same thread:

I wonder when he'll tell us how he really feels. Heh.

What's with the 'GOP-e?'

285 Lidanghazi  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 1:39:17pm

re: #284 makeitstop

What's with the 'GOP-e?'

From what I can tell, it's Freeper lingo for "GOP establishment".

286 Tigger2005  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 3:16:33pm

Drat. I wanted a big fight at the convention. Brawling on the floor. Chaos in the demonstration area. I wanted the GOP to bury itself 6 feet under. As it is they're just in a shallow grave with a few spadefuls of dirt tossed on top. This party needs to die so something better can grow.

287 thecommodore  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 4:31:57pm

Wow, 286 comments and no one mentioned how Santorum pulled out just as he was surging from behind.

288 labman57  Tue, Apr 10, 2012 9:21:32pm

Curious. A number of social conservative politicians have publicly declared that their political aspirations are the result of "speaking with God", some even going so far as to insist that their election campaigns were "God's will".

Santorum, Bachmann, Cain, Perry, Gingrich, Palin -- all have cited divine intervention as a primary motivator in their quest for higher office, including the current battle for the presidency.
And yet each has had his/her campaign for the 2012 GOP nominee either never materialize, quickly crash and burn, or in the case of Santorum and Gingrich, gradually founder.

So what insights can we glean from this turn of events? Perhaps God is an Ashton Kutcher fan, as He appears to have punk'd each of these POTUS wannabes.


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