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Prosecutor: George Zimmerman Will Be Charged

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Citing a “law enforcement official close to the investigation,” the Washington Post reports that the special prosecutor in the Trayvon Martin shooting case is going to charge George Zimmerman with a crime.

They’re not saying exactly which charges will be filed, yet. A news conference is scheduled at 6 pm ET.

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213 comments

1 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:38:27pm

My bet is on what was originally sought, namely manslaughter or negligent homicide.

2 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:38:57pm

Good.

3 allegro  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:40:22pm

Charging him is one thing. Finding him is a whole 'nother. I have suspected for weeks that he's long gone out of the country. No one has reportedly seen him since this whole thing went down. Even his lawyers had never met him face to face, if I recall correctly. Only talked to him on the phone. If we ever see an actual trial, I will be surprised.

4 Shvaughn  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:40:39pm

So if Zimmerman turns himself in and is arrested, who gets the $10K from the NBPs?

5 erik_t  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:43:05pm

I am regularly thankful that I live in a country in which there are so many checks and balances on the power and operation of governmental (and private) organizations. Very very many things need to go wrong at once in order for a situation to be irrevocably screwed up. Even in this impressively botched grabasstic clown-show, the killer of Trayvon Martin looks (eventually) likely to be tried in a court of law for his actions.

Gives me hope, sometimes.

6 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:43:54pm

re: #3 allegro

Charging him is one thing. Finding him is a whole 'nother. I have suspected for weeks that he's long gone out of the country. No one has reportedly seen him since this whole thing went down. Even his lawyers had never met him face to face, if I recall correctly. Only talked to him on the phone. If we ever see an actual trial, I will be surprised.

Oh, I'm fairly certain that his family knows where he's hiding. The question is, are they willing to go to jail on "obstruction of justice" charges?

7 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:44:38pm

Hopefully a public trial will satisfy all involved.

Everyone deserves their day in court --even the victim and the public.

8 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:45:27pm

It clearly can't be murder 1, because that would have required a grand jury to be empaneled.

That leaves murder 2, 3, or manslaughter. My bet is on manslaughter, though it could be murder 2 and murder 3 depending on the evidence the prosecutor was able to review.

9 Political Atheist  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:45:49pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

And we might get to see SYG fail as a defense. SYG never was about pursuit and stalking. It's a ridiculous stretch to say it does. Especially by a judge. There is SCOTUS precedent otherwise.

10 Political Atheist  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:46:26pm

re: #8 lawhawk

Zimmermans injuries or lack therof will be key I suspect.

11 KingKenrod  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:46:53pm

It's going to be a tough prosecution with the local cops botching their job early on. Also some key witnesses have made public statements and shown bias, which makes them easier to challenge on the stand.

I doubt if many will be happy with a plea bargain that doesn't include significant jail time.

12 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:47:48pm

His lawyers also intimated that Zimmerman was no longer in Florida, which raises issues of a manhunt/extradition. That conference yesterday was also a lesson of how not to dismiss your client. Could be seen as highly prejudicial against the client's interest (saying that he's not listening to advice, wont listen, and is doing his own thing).

13 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:48:09pm

I have to pack-up for the next island hop.

Chat wit' you all later.

14 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:48:25pm

re: #9 Daniel Ballard

And we might get to see SYG fail as an inappropriate defense. SYG never was about pursuit and stalking. It's a ridiculous stretch to say it does. Especially by a judge. There is SCOTUS precedent otherwise.

Unless it can be shown that Zimmerman was breaking the law up until the critical point, it's hard to see how the SYG would not apply. It doesn't actually matter what the law was intended to accomplish. As long as it is badly written, it may still fuck things up.

15 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:49:45pm

re: #12 lawhawk

I don't think he will be hiding from the law. The only real stumbling block would be if he was incapacitated - by himself or others. There is a possibility that he will be hiding, but that would be dumber than anything before this, taken together. I expect him to show up.

16 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:51:38pm

re: #12 lawhawk

His lawyers also intimated that Zimmerman was no longer in Florida, which raises issues of a manhunt/extradition. That conference yesterday was also a lesson of how not to dismiss your client. Could be seen as highly prejudicial against the client's interest (saying that he's not listening to advice, wont listen, and is doing his own thing).

Considering that there was talk their media campaign of stating speculation about the case as "fact" was straddling, if not over the ethical line, nothing about the way they acted yesterday surprises me.

17 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:52:01pm

re: #15 Johnny Derp

I think his attempt to contact the prosecutor bolsters that belief, but considering that his lawyers may (or should) have told him not to directly contact the prosecutor without their presence suggests otherwise.

18 leftynyc  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:52:31pm

If there was ever a time for someone to waive a jury trial, I imagine this is it. So many saying he cannot get a fair trial. If he waives, that problem goes away.

19 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:54:54pm

re: #18 leftynyc

He probably can get a fair trial, just not in Sanford. Elsewhere in Florida? Probably.

First he'll have to surrender to authorities, obtain new counsel, and once we know what the charges are, we might get an idea of whether a plea deal could be worked out or whether this goes on through to trial.

20 Political Atheist  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:55:49pm

If GZ is acquitted, should we expect riots?
Might be a good Page poll.
I for one do not think we will see Rodney King style riots.

21 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:56:13pm

An update from GZ's site:

Update as of 1:30pm EST on Tuesday, April 10th
I am attempting to respond to each and everyone of my supporters personally. The support has been overwhelming in volume and strength. I thank you all and ask that you permit me the time to respond to each one of you personally. Once again thank you.
Sincerely,
George Zimmerman

22 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:56:22pm

re: #20 Daniel Ballard

If GZ is acquitted, should we expect riots?
Might be a good Page poll.
I for one do not think we will see Rodney King style riots.

Let's not go there please. No poll either.

23 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:57:11pm

He also deleted the cultural center photo, but left the Terry Jones one in place.

24 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:57:26pm

I've got $1 that says George Zimmerman and Joe Arpaio will have a show on Fox News Channel by Inauguration Day (regardless of the outcome of the election). It's a non-zero probability.

25 Lidane  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:57:45pm

Severe apologies for the early OT, but if this is true, the shit is going to hit the fan in Guatemala:

Two of Latin America's deadliest gangs join forces

Hardened in the streets and prisons of California and deported in the 1990s to the Central American countries where they were born, the members of the Mara Salvatrucha street gang swiftly grew into a force of heavily tattooed young men carrying out kidnappings, murder and extortion.

Now, Guatemalan authorities say, they have begun to see new and disturbing evidence of an alliance between the Maras and another of the most feared criminal organizations in Latin America - a deal with the potential to further undermine that U.S.-backed effort to fight violent crime and narcotics trafficking in the region.

Secret jailhouse recordings and a turncoat kidnapper have described a pact between leaders of the Maras and the Zetas, the brutal Mexican paramilitary drug cartel that has seized control of large parts of rural northern Guatemala in its campaign for mastery of drug-trafficking routes from South America to the United States.

In recent months, authorities say, they have begun to see the first signs that the Zetas are providing paramilitary training and equipment to the Maras in exchange for intelligence and crimes meant to divert law-enforcement resources and attention.

26 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:58:14pm

re: #20 Daniel Ballard

If GZ is acquitted, should we expect riots?

I think it would partially depend on how the trial goes and what evidence is presented.

27 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:58:25pm

Yeesh. This picture of that American Renaissance meeting is nightmarish. Like Todd Browning's "Freaks."

Image: ZZ30A3C21E.jpg

28 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 12:59:51pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Yeesh. This picture of that American Renaissance meeting is nightmarish. Like Todd Browning's "Freaks."

Image: ZZ30A3C21E.jpg

You know nothing. It's the White Elite.

29 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:00:08pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

Oh, I'm fairly certain that his family knows where he's hiding. The question is, are they willing to go to jail on "obstruction of justice" charges?

Lawhawk can fact check me on this, but I don't believe they can be charged with obstruction if they refuse to answer the question (where is he?) and tell the cops to talk to their Lawyer. They could only be charge if they answer the question with a lie (we don't know) that was later proven after the act.

30 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:01:22pm

Nice Hitler hairdo in the back row.

31 Lidane  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:01:47pm

re: #17 lawhawk

I think his attempt to contact the prosecutor bolsters that belief, but considering that his lawyers may (or should) have told him not to directly contact the prosecutor without their presence suggests otherwise.

I knew he contacted Hannity without his lawyers knowing about it, and I think his website went up without their knowledge too, but he also tried to contact the prosecutor? Wow. I didn't know that.

I would think that any one of those things would be grounds for a lawyer to fire their client, but all three? No wonder they quit in such a fail-tastic way.

32 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:01:58pm

re: #28 Johnny Derp

You know nothing. It's the White Elite.

Does James Edwards's head come to a point?

33 dragonfire1981  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:02:28pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Yeesh. This picture of that American Renaissance meeting is nightmarish. Like Todd Browning's "Freaks."

Image: ZZ30A3C21E.jpg

Damn, that dude on the left is CREEPY.

34 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:02:51pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Nice Hitler hairdo in the back row.

Guess who that is? Alex Kurtagic from "Alternative Right."

Link here. Scroll down a bit.

35 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:03:52pm

re: #31 Lidane

I knew he contacted Hannity without his lawyers knowing about it, and I think his website went up without their knowledge too, but he also tried to contact the prosecutor? Wow. I didn't know that.

I would think that any one of those things would be grounds for a lawyer to fire their client, but all three? No wonder they quit in such a fail-tastic way.

Apparently they got word from the special prosecutor's office that he'd tried to contact them without counsel present, referring to them as his "legal advisers." The office responded back that they couldn't talk to him without legal representation present.

I'm not sure whether to consider the man arrogant or cracked.

36 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:03:57pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

Does James Edwards's head come to a point?

Egghead.

37 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:04:36pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

From Left to Right: Sam Dickson, Donald Templer, Robert Weissberg, James Edwards, Jared Taylor, David Yeagley, Richard Lynn, Alex Kurtagic, and Guillaume Faye.

38 allegro  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:05:11pm

re: #34 Gus

Guess who that is? Alex Kurtagic from "Alternative Right."

Link here. Scroll down a bit.

Holy moly, he's paler than I am and I'm damn near translucent. Give that guy a spray tan.

39 General Nimrod Bodfish  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:05:25pm

re: #20 Daniel Ballard

If GZ is acquitted, should we expect riots?
Might be a good Page poll.
I for one do not think we will see Rodney King style riots.

I don't foresee riots if he's acquitted, though the NBP will probably try to fan the flames, but seeing as they don't have a big following outside of the white nationalists, very little will happen. Maybe protests, but no violence.

If Zimmerman is found guilty, yeah, I do see shit hitting the fan, thanks to the neo-Nazis and other racists try to instigate a race war, but I hope that I'm very, very wrong on this.

Either way, regardless of the trial, someone will be very pissed at the outcome.

40 JRCMYP  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:05:42pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Yeesh. This picture of that American Renaissance meeting is nightmarish. Like Todd Browning's "Freaks."

Image: ZZ30A3C21E.jpg

Yeesh is right.

Looks more like a Benny Hill skit to me.

41 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:05:47pm

re: #37 lawhawk

From Left to Right: Sam Dickson, Donald Templer, Robert Weissberg, James Edwards, Jared Taylor, David Yeagley, Richard Lynn, Alex Kurtagic, and Guillaume Faye.

Only one I really know is Taylor. His group is HQed near where I grew up I believe.

43 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:07:03pm

re: #42 Johnny Derp

It's basically this:

Image: 3640a8f41b5571755952533f4171627f.jpg

or this:

Image: 7d8a210f7dfe69382a7df72102d56f79.jpg

Number 2 is a favorite of mine. If you please, what is the translation on the Russian one.

44 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:08:38pm

re: #43 HappyWarrior

Number 2 is a favorite of mine. If you please, what is the translation on the Russian one.

"The ideal Aryan should be

TALL
SLIM
BLONDE

(The lecturer is a learned raceologist Julius Streicher, also a 100% Aryan.)"

45 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:09:37pm

bbiaw

46 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:09:48pm

re: #44 Johnny Derp

"The ideal Aryan should be

TALL
SLIM
BLONDE

(The lecturer is a learned raceologist Julius Streicher, also a 100% Aryan.)"

Ah Streicher, didn't recognize him.

47 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:10:45pm

re: #34 Gus

Guess who that is? Alex Kurtagic from "Alternative Right."

Link here. Scroll down a bit.

You can read what he spoke about at the link. Here's an excerpt:

Mr. Kurtagic described our struggle as primarily a cultural war, one that is waged not only with words but with all the cultural tools at our disposal. He urged all racially conscious whites to throw themselves into our culture, to create living alternatives to the false consciousness that is destroying us. “Culture defines politics and not the other way around; We must win the culture before we can win elections.”

Mr. Kurtagic noted that the left is strong because it presents itself as a moral crusade and that it is the nature of the white man to believe that his plans and projects are moral. He concluded by pointing out that our enterprise should be seen for what it is: a heroic struggle for glory.

That last bit might sound familiar to most of you. Knights Templar anyone? Anders Breivik?

48 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:11:21pm

re: #43 HappyWarrior

Number 2 is a favorite of mine. If you please, what is the translation on the Russian one.

For a chuckle.

49 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:12:02pm

re: #9 Daniel Ballard

And we might get to see SYG fail as a defense. SYG never was about pursuit and stalking. It's a ridiculous stretch to say it does. Especially by a judge. There is SCOTUS precedent otherwise.

SYG has already been used as a successful defense for exactly that:

A judge has dismissed a murder charge against a man who chased and fatally stabbed a suspected thief, citing the same self-defense law at the center of the Trayvon Martin case.

The "stand your ground" law gives a lot of leeway to use deadly force instead of retreating during a confrontation.

Miami-Dade Circuit Judge Beth Bloom ruled Tuesday that a bag of stolen car radios Pedro Roteta swung at Greyston Garcia amounted to a lethal threat. Bloom said Garcia "was well within his rights to pursue the victim and demand the return of his property."

Garcia went home instead of calling 911 after the confrontation in January and later hid the knife and sold two of the radios.

50 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:12:11pm

James Edwards repeats his white supremacist beliefs:

When it comes to changing how America thinks, “we are fighting an uphill battle on slippery ground,” and although we have organs of communication of our own, “the occasional Viking raid into the mainstream media” is very valuable. Mr. Edwards concluded that the main message of our people—“You cannot have a First-World nation with a Third-World population”—is so compelling that it cannot help but break through.

51 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:12:49pm

These white supremacist loons are such assholes.

52 TedStriker  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:12:57pm

re: #10 Daniel Ballard

Zimmermans injuries or lack therof will be key I suspect.

Not to mention his conduct and statements before and after the fact.

53 Lidane  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:13:58pm

re: #44 Johnny Derp

Ever notice how none of these imbeciles ever fits the Aryan ideal? None of the Nazi leadership fit the ideal either. What a shock. =P

54 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:15:27pm

re: #53 Lidane

Ever notice how none of these imbeciles ever fits the Aryan ideal? None of the Nazi leadership fit the ideal either. What a shock. =P

I guess David Duke comes close, but when he was in Russia, some of our racists were not impressed - "He looks like a cartoon from Jehovah's Witnesses brochure".

55 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:16:05pm

Robert Weissberg proposed re-packaging or goind stealth with white supremacy/nationalism:

The first speaker Saturday morning was the always stimulating Robert Weissberg, Emeritus professor of University of Illinois at Champagne, who proposed “A Politically Viable Alternative to White Nationalism.” He argued that any movement that is explicitly based on white racial identity is “dead on arrival,” and must be repackaged in order to win successful recognition.

He then compares the coming out with "white pride" as that with the gay movement:

He did note, however, that because racial consciousness is so natural, it could return with surprising rapidity. He pointed out that ten years ago it would have been impossible to imagine homosexual marriage becoming a fashionable cause. Just as “homosexuals went from in the closet to being proud,” thinking about race could change dramatically.

56 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:16:13pm

re: #53 Lidane

Ever notice how none of these imbeciles ever fits the Aryan ideal? None of the Nazi leadership fit the ideal either. What a shock. =P

The only Nazi I can think of who really looked the part was Heydrich and he's rumored to have Jewish ancestry. The whole thing is flawed anyhow since we invent race and we're all originally African anyhow.

57 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:17:39pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

The only Nazi I can think of who really looked the part was Heydrich and he's rumored to have Jewish ancestry. The whole thing is flawed anyhow since we invent race and we're all originally African anyhow.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

58 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:19:43pm

re: #57 Johnny Derp

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Funny you link to him because I recently saw a documentary on the military channel about Jews who fought for Hitler. Dumbfounded me.

59 Lidane  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:20:55pm

It's a derp-a-palooza at Fox Nation:

Washington Post Reports Zimmerman to Be Charged in Trayvon Martin Shooting

Sweet zombie Jeebus there's a bunch of dumb motherfuckers at that site. Wow.

60 Sionainn  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:21:06pm

I'm in the middle of reading Destined to Witness: Growing up Black in Nazi Germany. I've been struck by a couple of things. One is the lack of Aryan characteristics in the leaders. Two is that the author quotes from Mein Kampf and it sounds exactly like these white supremacist assholes. Scary stuff.

61 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:22:17pm

re: #34 Gus

Guess who that is? Alex Kurtagic from "Alternative Right."

Link here. Scroll down a bit.

OK, they've breached the Derpularity. From the description of Weissberg's "White Enclave" speech:

"Prof. Weissberg argued that an “80 percent solution” would be one that enforced the “First-World” standards of excellence and hard work that attract and reward whites. He pointed out that there are still many “Whitopias” in America and that there are many ways to keep them white, such as zoning that requires large houses, and a cultural ambiance or classical music and refined demeanor that repels undesirables. This approach to maintaining whiteness has the advantage that people can make a living catering to whites in their enclaves."


Man the Bach projectors, the barbarians are in the wire.

62 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:22:22pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

I'll give the lawyer's response - it depends.

It depends on what the lawyers ask of Hannity and what Hannity was told by Zimmerman. Hannity may have to provide copies of the conversation, phone numbers, etc.

63 Bulworth  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:23:04pm

re: #59 Lidane

It's a derp-a-palooza at Fox Nation:

Washington Post Reports Zimmerman to Be Charged in Trayvon Martin Shooting

Sweet zombie Jeebus there's a bunch of dumb motherfuckers at that site. Wow.

I imagine the Fox groupies are going nuts.

64 sean6886politik  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:23:31pm

I have a couple of questions that I hope any of you can answer.

Does anyone know for sure if the New Black Panther Party actually put a bounty on GZ's head with wanted dead or alive posters? I've look and all I find are rightwing blogs and I don't trust them.

Also, does anyone know if the ABC video where they magnified GZ's head to show "scars" on the top of his had-has that video been discredited? Again, cannot find much and no one is talking about that clip.

Any links would be appreciated as well.

Thanks

65 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:23:44pm

re: #12 lawhawk

His lawyers also intimated that Zimmerman was no longer in Florida, which raises issues of a manhunt/extradition. That conference yesterday was also a lesson of how not to dismiss your client. Could be seen as highly prejudicial against the client's interest (saying that he's not listening to advice, wont listen, and is doing his own thing).

It's all very strange to me. I've never seen a lawyer act like that in a high profile case such as this. Have you?

What would possess them to come out TODAY, coincidentally the very day they are going to allegedly charge him, and say, very specifically, we haven't seen nor heard from him since Sunday.

These are the lawyers who said they have been in close contact with him and know where he's been ever since the story got really hot. Wasn't it the same lawyers (or was it his friends) who said he's shocked and amazed that all this hubbub is swirling around him and he had no idea about it, like a week after it hit the papers. When you couldn't turn on the TV or look at a paper without seeing Zimmerman's face all over, and he knew nothing about it? Bullshit.

Something about this smells real bad to me. Unless it's purely coincidental.

66 Lidane  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:24:24pm

re: #54 Johnny Derp

I guess David Duke comes close, but when he was in Russia, some of our racists were not impressed - "He looks like a cartoon from Jehovah's Witnesses brochure".

Haha. I remember David Duke's campaign for governor in Louisiana. People there were so determined to keep him the hell out of office they voted for a man they KNEW was a thoroughly corrupt crook instead.

67 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:24:40pm

re: #59 Lidane

It's a derp-a-palooza at Fox Nation:

Washington Post Reports Zimmerman to Be Charged in Trayvon Martin Shooting

Sweet zombie Jeebus there's a bunch of dumb motherfuckers at that site. Wow.

Hence why I shook my head downstairs at the notion that filing charges when there's little chance that they'll stick would be a good call on the part of the special prosecutor. Just the act of bringing charges is stirring things up, as would the act of closing the case with no charges.

No, I foresee this thing ending up like a lot of cases in the last 20+ years have, leading to a trial and verdict that leaves one side or the other angry.

68 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:24:59pm

re: #49 goddamnedfrank

That case isn't precedent that a trial judge has to follow. If it was decided upon by the FL supreme court, that's a different story, but the court could deem that it doesn't apply to those who create the situation (which in this case is Zimmerman who followed Martin preceding the shooting).

69 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:25:08pm

re: #66 Lidane

Haha. I remember David Duke's campaign for governor in Louisiana. People there were so determined to keep him the hell out of office they voted for a man they KNEW was a thoroughly corrupt crook instead.

It's not even that - I believe "Vote for the crook, it's important" appeared in real ads.

70 CuriousLurker  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:26:59pm

re: #44 Johnny Derp

"The ideal Aryan should be

TALL
SLIM
BLONDE

(The lecturer is a learned raceologist Julius Streicher, also a 100% Aryan.)"

In my head they always look Nordic. Kinda like Dolph Lundgren.

71 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:27:15pm

So, Romney claimed today that 92% of the jobs lost in the past few years have been by women. This is how Mitt works for the women's vote by making facts out of his ass like that? [Link: www.politico.com...]

72 Lidane  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:27:31pm

re: #69 Johnny Derp

It's not even that - I believe "Vote for the crook, it's important" appeared in real ads.

Oh, it did. There were bumper stickers saying it and everything. Another set of bumper stickers said "Vote For the Lizard, Not the Wizard".

When faced with the stark choice of a Klansman or a crook, voters took the crook.

73 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:28:08pm

re: #72 Lidane

Oh, it did. There were bumper stickers saying it and everything. Another set of bumper stickers said "Vote For the Lizard, Not the Wizard".

What a great slogan... in other circumstances ;)

74 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:28:41pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

So, Romney claimed today that 92% of the jobs lost in the past few years have been by women. This is how Mitt works for the women's vote by making facts out of his ass like that?

What's his proposal to fix this statistic? Offer them secretarial jobs in his campaign?

/

75 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:29:37pm

re: #74 Targetpractice

What's his proposal to fix this statistic? Offer them secretarial jobs in his campaign?

/

Probably vague promises and more pandering.

76 Lidane  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:31:19pm

re: #74 Targetpractice

What's his proposal to fix this statistic? Offer them secretarial jobs in his campaign?

/

Give tax cuts to his rich buddies by raising taxes on those middle class women. This way, women would rely on their husbands to be the breadwinners for the family.

///

77 Bulworth  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:31:38pm

re: #74 Targetpractice

What's his proposal to fix this statistic? Offer them secretarial jobs in his campaign?

/

More tax cuts! Cut the deficit! /

78 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:31:47pm

This fellow is always so clever:

79 Political Atheist  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:32:21pm

re: #14 Johnny Derp

Precedent matters. Nothing in the laws text includes pursuit. The implication of the terms used is that you need not flee. I do not read that as an OK for pursuit or stalking someone down.

80 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:32:21pm

re: #74 Targetpractice

What, you mean they all can't be Joan Harris? ///

81 engineer cat  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:32:21pm

Zimmerman Will Be Charged

somebody was shot to death and there is a legal action

this innovation is obviously the work of pernicious liberal pressure groups with racist agendas

82 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:35:07pm

Zimmerman is just off enjoying the last spring break he expects to be seeing for a few years...

83 Lidane  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:36:32pm

Cue the RWNJ bleating:

84 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:37:47pm

re: #79 Daniel Ballard

Precedent matters. Nothing in the laws text includes pursuit. The implication of the terms used is that you need not flee. I do not read that as an OK for pursuit or stalking someone down.

First of all, precedent works against you. There has already been a case where a guy followed a thief and shot him in altercation. Acquitted.

Second, I don't see how it is relevant that the law's text doesn't include pursuit. It doesn't forbid it, so it allows it.

85 Lidane  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:38:17pm

re: #81 engineer cat

somebody was shot to death and there is a legal action

this innovation is obviously the work of pernicious liberal pressure groups with racist agendas

According to the Freeper morons, yes.

86 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:39:13pm

re: #83 Lidane

Cue the RWNJ bleating:

[Embedded content]

Terrorist high five.

87 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:39:22pm

re: #68 lawhawk

That case isn't precedent that a trial judge has to follow. If it was decided upon by the FL supreme court, that's a different story, but the court could deem that it doesn't apply to those who create the situation (which in this case is Zimmerman who followed Martin preceding the shooting).

This judge did however rationally believe that Garcia's bad behavior after the fact was immaterial to the defense, that even though hiding the knife was an obvious indication of guilt it should be ignored. Garcia didn't call 911 and only confessed when police showed him surveillance video of the altercation.

re: #79 Daniel Ballard

Precedent matters. Nothing in the laws text includes pursuit. The implication of the terms used is that you need not flee. I do not read that as an OK for pursuit or stalking someone down.

It doesn't say it's not OK either. Only clearly illegal actions prior to the confrontation are defined as obviating the defense. The law covers anyone who otherwise has a legal right to be where they are, and that's Zimmerman. The fact that it doesn't affirmatively deny the defense in cases of legal pursuit is an inherent flaw in the law, not in the reasoning of the judges and prosecutors who so far have comprehend its clear and unambiguous language.

88 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:39:30pm

re: #61 Decatur Deb

OK, they've breached the Derpularity. From the description of Weissberg's "White Enclave" speech:

"Prof. Weissberg argued that an “80 percent solution” would be one that enforced the “First-World” standards of excellence and hard work that attract and reward whites. He pointed out that there are still many “Whitopias” in America and that there are many ways to keep them white, such as zoning that requires large houses, and a cultural ambiance or classical music and refined demeanor that repels undesirables. This approach to maintaining whiteness has the advantage that people can make a living catering to whites in their enclaves."

Heh. That's not the class of people I've found with the most resistance to classical music in. Alaska Kim would always bail, for example, when we started talking Bach.

89 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:41:50pm

re: #88 William Barnett-Lewis

Heh. That's not the class of people I've found with the most resistance to classical music in. Alaska Kim would always bail, for example, when we started talking Bach.

I think he must mean "classic rock" or "classic country". That is just the sort of thing that tends to keep non-white minorities at bay...

90 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:42:04pm

re: #88 William Barnett-Lewis

Heh. That's not the class of people I've found with the most resistance to classical music in. Alaska Kim would always bail, for example, when we started talking Bach.

Gotta get me a "Gated Community Blaster" and blow Palestrina all over the 'hood.

91 Bulworth  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:42:49pm

re: #85 Lidane

According to the Freeper morons, yes.

You mean they don't care about law and order? /

92 iossarian  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:43:37pm

re: #90 Decatur Deb

Gotta get me a "Gated Community Blaster" and blow Palestrina all over the 'hood.

Don't forget the bit about dressing in a tweed jacket with a natty bow tie, either.

93 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:43:46pm

re: #91 Bulworth

You mean they don't care about law and order? /

SYG is law and order: police, judge and jury all rolled into one.

94 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:44:37pm

re: #93 Expand Your Ground

SYG is law and order: police, judge and jury all rolled into one.

Apparently, the people of Florida have decided that cops weren't good enough, so they made "street judge" a viable career choice. Don't even need a badge!

//

95 sean6886politik  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:44:43pm

re: #24 Satanic Ritual Kazoo

Or he can call himself George the Killer (like Joe the Plummer) and run for goverment.

(I know, poor taste, but I couldn't help myself)

96 TedStriker  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:45:51pm

re: #78 Madge

This fellow is always so clever:

[Embedded content]

STAY ON TARGET!!!

97 TedStriker  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:47:39pm

re: #92 iossarian

Don't forget the bit about dressing in a tweed jacket with a natty bow tie, either.

Tucker Carlson's old "uniform", right?

98 Four More Tears  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:47:43pm

re: #83 Lidane

Cue the RWNJ bleating:

Next thing you know they'll be hugging.

99 Kragar  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:48:02pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

Apparently, the people of Florida have decided that cops weren't good enough, so they made "street judge" a viable career choice. Don't even need a badge!

//

When do they start cloning Zimmerman?

100 garhighway  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:48:21pm

Hi, all.

OT but interesting, a bit of news from Somalia:

[Link: borowitzreport.com...]

101 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:49:03pm

re: #88 William Barnett-Lewis

Alaska Kim would always bail, for example, when we started talking Bach.

I think she was worried we'd Mahler, so she went into Haydn.

102 Four More Tears  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:49:32pm

re: #101 Obdicut

I think she was worried we'd Mahler, so she went into Haydn.

No! Bad Obdi! Bad!

103 sean6886politik  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:49:50pm

re: #29 Bubblehead II

Yeah, remember that preppy kid from CT, I think it was. It was back in the late 80's or early 90's and he was accused of raping several women. His Parents gave him money and they eventually tracked him in Switzerland I believe. The cops were all over his parents but they lawyered up and wouldn't talk. I think the cops got a lead when they either intercepted an incoming call or a letter. Either way, it was quite a few years, the cops finally brought him in, the Parents knew all along and he was put in prison where he belonged.

Ah-ah-looked it up:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

104 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:50:34pm

re: #101 Obdicut

C'mon, it was 2 weeks ago or so! ;)

105 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:50:57pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

Apparently, the people of Florida have decided that cops weren't good enough, so they made "street judge" a viable career choice. Don't even need a badge!

//

Homeland security just sent a notice at my work that they're having a training session next Monday down the street and need 100 volunteers to do a crisis simulation.

Some muscle-bound fireman whisks me over his shoulder from a faux burning building?? HELLO!! WHERE DO I SIGN UP?

106 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:51:00pm

re: #79 Daniel Ballard

Precedent matters. Nothing in the laws text includes pursuit. The implication of the terms used is that you need not flee. I do not read that as an OK for pursuit or stalking someone down.

I really don't get why you're sticking to this. As GDF discusses in his reply, ([Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] there is an obvious counterargument. It seems like you're just deliberately avoiding the way that SYG could clearly be used to let Zimmerman go.

In fact, the police chief said, explicitly, that SYG was the reason Zimmerman want' charged. Whether that will stand up in a trial remains to be seen, but clearly the reality is that the law is, in the real world, conceived in such a way as to allow for pursuit on the part of the person claiming "self-defense." You have agreed that the law should be re-written, have you not? Isn't that because you agree that there is an inherent ambiguity?

107 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:51:45pm

Heh, I love how I get a "Breaking News" alert in my mail from the LA Times, breathlessly informing me that Charlie Manson's been denied parole for the 12th time. Maybe it's just me, but how is that "breaking news"?

108 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:52:26pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

Heh, I love how I get a "Breaking News" alert in my mail from the LA Times, breathlessly informing me that Charlie Manson's been denied parole for the 12th time. Maybe it's just me, but how is that "breaking news"?

Yeah it's not like it's shocking. Now if he won parole..........

109 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:52:54pm

re: #101 Obdicut

I think she was worried we'd Mahler, so she went into Haydn.

I always make sure I have a supply of lemon Shubert whenever I go into hiding.

110 iossarian  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:53:20pm

re: #109 Talking Point Detective

I always make sure I have a supply of lemon Shubert whenever I go into hiding.

Yup, that's always near the top of my Chopin Liszt.

111 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:54:49pm

{Pops head up}

Oh, just get a Handel on yourself!

112 justaminute  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:54:53pm

I wanted to give a "thanks" to Gus and his friends and especially to Charles for staying on top of the racists in our midst. You all have been really awesome.

Zimmerman is so in over his head. I really believe he is being watched by the FBI. Maybe there is a detail of Federal Marshall attached to the Special Prosecutor. I know that when I worked at the courts in OKC they had them. Unfortunately there are quite a number of Zimmerman's out there. I bet his crazy Dad is advising him. That's why he is not more linked up with his lawyers. Big mistake.

113 TedStriker  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:55:11pm

re: #110 iossarian

Yup, that's always near the top of my Chopin Liszt.

If these composer puns get any worse, I'm going to have to put some hip boots on...

///

114 iossarian  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:56:03pm

Word to your ma'ams
I came to drop Brahms

115 Kragar  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:56:38pm

Barton: America is Like England in the 1500s Except Christians Aren't Being Burned at the Stake ... Yet

This is a really important thing, to be able to have the presence of religion there but now we're seeing a hostility that we've not [seen before.] This is like England back in the fifteen and sixteen hundreds, quite frankly. Now, we're not burning people at the stake yet, but we are imprisoning people for their faith and to say that in America, that's unbelievable.

116 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:56:45pm

Lousy puns make me crabby. Can't bear them.

117 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:57:29pm

re: #113 talon_262

If these composer puns get any worse, I'm going to have to put some hip boots on...

///

So a musicologist finds out that Beethoven was buried with several unfinished manuscripts. He sneaks into the family crypt to recover them. He sees a flickering light and a hears a scratching sound as he enters.

He finds Beethoven sitting up, erasing his manuscripts.

"What are you doing there?" he asks Beethoven.

"Decomposing!" replies the conductor...

118 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:57:44pm

Will no one rid me of these mendelssohn punsters?

119 Four More Tears  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:58:59pm
120 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 1:59:59pm

Lidane, you have a stalker named @fluffytowels1 following you on The Twitter.

121 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:00:10pm

re: #118 Decatur Deb

Will no one rid me of these mendelssohn punsters?

Geese, way to pigeonhole those doggone cool cats. Something's fishy about them.

122 Lidane  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:00:42pm

re: #120 Madge

Thanks! I'l take care of it.

123 erik_t  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:01:18pm

re: #119 Oblivious Troll

Wait wait, who's been imprisoned for their faith?

Something something bishop condom HEYLOOKOVERTHERE

124 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:01:25pm

re: #119 Oblivious Troll

Wait wait, who's been imprisoned for their faith?

It's also like Egypt in the 4th Dynasty, except no one is building pyramids.

125 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:01:44pm

re: #115 Kragar

Barton: America is Like England in the 1500s Except Christians Aren't Being Burned at the Stake ... Yet

And when do the burnings begin? I want to have plenty of marshmallows ready.

///

126 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:01:48pm

re: #115 Kragar

Barton: America is Like England in the 1500s Except Christians Aren't Being Burned at the Stake ... Yet

Remember one of the great Founding Myths of America: that the pilgrims came here to escape religious perwsection.

They were fleeing because Europe, even back in the 1600's, was already too liberal and progressive to tolerate their fundamentalism. They came over so they could persecute non-believers and nobody would bother them about doing so...

127 Bulworth  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:01:58pm

re: #119 Oblivious Troll

Wait wait, who's been imprisoned for their faith?

I have a list....

//

128 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:02:27pm

re: #119 Oblivious Troll

Wait wait, who's been imprisoned for their faith?

You just have to say it, it doesn't have to be true. If he were talking about muslims I could agree with him, and I would bet my last dollar he would be at the front of any coalition to suppress their free religious expression.

129 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:03:48pm

re: #103 sean6886politik

Wiki article said they served a warrant at the Parents home and found pictures of them with the kid in Switzerland from the previous year, thus proving that they were lying when they told the Cops they didn't know where he was. Hence the obstruction charge.

130 Kragar  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:04:06pm

re: #119 Oblivious Troll

Wait wait, who's been imprisoned for their faith?

Well, those people who keep getting thrown in jail for killing or bombing abortionists for one!

131 Bulworth  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:04:32pm

re: #119 Oblivious Troll

Wait wait, who's been imprisoned for their faith?

Your mere questioning of my imprisonment claim constitutes religious persecution.

132 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:06:41pm

re: #61 Decatur Deb

and a cultural ambiance or classical music and refined demeanor that repels undesirables.

Why are there so many Jewish and Asian classical musicians?

133 Four More Tears  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:07:14pm

re: #130 Kragar

Well, those people who keep getting thrown in jail for killing or bombing abortionists for one!

Oh, riiight. And if someone bombed an abortion clinic in the name of Allah, he'd be humming the same tune. Amirite?

134 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:09:34pm

re: #132 Learned Mother of Zion

Why are there so many Jewish and Asian classical musicians?

Practice, practice, practice.

(Saw an article in the last week about the relatively recent [100-200yrs] rise of Jewish musicians from the starving orchestra to the front ranks.)

135 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:10:01pm

Check it out Charles. Another one.

136 iossarian  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:10:07pm

re: #132 Learned Mother of Zion

Why are there so many Jewish and Asian classical musicians?

Those non-white people are sometimes acceptable, sometimes not, depending on whether the day's magical number divides by 17.

137 Political Atheist  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:11:39pm

re: #22 Gus

Okay. No poll.

138 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:13:53pm

re: #135 Gus

Check it out Charles. Another one.

I have a suspicion someone at Twitter is sympathetic...

139 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:14:03pm

re: #135 Gus

Check it out Charles. Another one.

Hah. Odd how after going wild and harassing me, you, and everyone else they can find for weeks, suddenly today they're all silent.

140 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:14:15pm

FluffyTowels1 is no longer Fluffy or a Towel.

141 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:16:00pm

I'm not about to "count any chickens" yet. I think I'll wait until the actual announcement.

Besides it is pretty much a pointless exercise, even if based on community outrage they do manage to get a jury to convict on some lesser charge it will be overturned on appeal later based on the actual letter of the current Florida laws.

I'm sorry, but I just do not believe that Zimmerman can be convicted of anything given the current laws in Florida. As long as he sticks to his original story and it also cannot be positively disproved by new evidence there is no chance of successful prosecution that will survive appeals.

If the prosecution has nothing beyond what we already know for definitive evidence then attempting to prosecute him will be nothing more than a political exercise in appeasement, one that will be ultimately futile.

142 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:16:00pm

re: #135 Gus

Check it out Charles. Another one.

I got suspicious when I saw it this morning and then it had a bunch of tweets dissing Charles which is.. you know... a pretty good clue.

143 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:16:10pm

I would be lying if I said I wasn't loving this.

144 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:16:25pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

Hah. Odd how after going wild and harassing me, you, and everyone else they can find for weeks, suddenly today they're all silent.

They've got serious mental and socialization problems.

145 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:16:38pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

I would be lying if I said I wasn't loving this.

lol me too!!

146 TedStriker  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:16:43pm

re: #140 Madge

FluffyTowels1 is no longer Fluffy or a Towel.

They still may be a 1, because 1 is the loneliest number.
Image: forever_alone.jpg

147 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:17:08pm

A sign that the Santorum withdrawl has started the 'real' 2012 campaign:
The top two positions on the Intrade page have been given over to Obama/Romney betting lines.

148 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:18:15pm

re: #141 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

I'm not about to "count any chickens" yet. I think I'll wait until the actual announcement.

Besides it is pretty much a pointless exercise, even if based on community outrage they do manage to get a jury to convict on some lesser charge it will be overturned on appeal later based on the actual letter of the current Florida laws.

I'm sorry, but I just do not believe that Zimmerman can be convicted of anything given the current laws in Florida. As long as he sticks to his original story and it also cannot be positively disproved by new evidence there is no chance of successful prosecution that will survive appeals.

If the prosecution has nothing beyond what we already know for definitive evidence then attempting to prosecute him will be nothing more than a political exercise in appeasement, one that will be ultimately futile.

If it makes one wannabe cop type think twice about stalking people while carrying a gun it's worth just the announcement that Zimmerman will be charged with something.

149 Lidane  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:18:24pm
150 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:18:42pm

re: #141 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

I'm sorry, but I just do not believe that Zimmerman can be convicted of anything given the current laws in Florida. As long as he sticks to his original story and it also cannot be positively disproved by new evidence there is no chance of successful prosecution that will survive appeals.

I am sorry that I have to agree with you, but I do. The law is on his side.

Had this case simply been brought to court right after it happened (as the arresting officers intended), then Zimmerman might have been acquitted without causing more than a minor outrage, but now this a national story.

151 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:19:02pm

You see, Charles and us minions are now in control of The Twitter.

We decide who stays.

We decide who goes.

We decide who's irrelevant.

Mmwwwhhhaaaa!!!

152 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:19:52pm

re: #149 Lidane

Is Herman trying out for a spot in the next Saw movie?

153 darthstar  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:20:53pm

re: #149 Lidane

Herman Cain is one sick motherfucker.

154 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:21:04pm

re: #25 Lidane

Severe apologies for the early OT, but if this is true, the shit is going to hit the fan in Guatemala:

Two of Latin America's deadliest gangs join forces

Well, fuck.

I had a terrible little boy in my class once who petitioned to name his reading group 'Salvatrucha', swearing that it was the name of the El Salvador national soccer team.

I'd never heard of MS13 at that point, but some good angel made me say, 'Well, that wouldn't be fair to the kids in your group who aren't Salvadoran, now would it?"

THEN I looked it up.

This pointless anecdote brought to you by my lunch break.

155 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:21:05pm

re: #149 Lidane

I'm a wimp. I can't watch it. I passed on the exploding bunny.

156 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:21:26pm

re: #149 Lidane

creepy, to say the least.

157 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:21:35pm

re: #151 Madge

You see, Charles and us minions are now in control of The Twitter.

We decide who stays.

We decide who goes.

We decides who's irrelevant.

Mmwwwhhhaaa!!!

We control the horizontal...and the vertical.

We can deluge you with a thousand channels or expand one single image to crystal clarity...and beyond.

We can shape your vision to anything our imagination can conceive.

For the next hour we will control all that you see and hear. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the deepest inner mind to the outer limits.

/(too geeky?)

158 TedStriker  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:22:14pm

re: #149 Lidane

WTF is Cain and Creepy Smoking Man smoking?

Seriously?

159 darthstar  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:22:24pm

re: #152 Targetpractice

Is Herman trying out for a spot in the next Saw movie?

I'll bet that little girl actor is getting contacted by people like John Carpenter and Wes Craven for after school specials they're filming.

160 Four More Tears  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:24:08pm

re: #149 Lidane

Holy shit that was FUCKING AWESOME.

MORE! I WANT MORE!

BRAVO!

161 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:24:43pm

re: #157 Targetpractice

We control the horizontal...and the vertical.

We can deluge you with a thousand channels or expand one single image to crystal clarity...and beyond.

We can shape your vision to anything our imagination can conceive.

For the next hour we will control all that you see and hear. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the deepest inner mind to the outer limits.

/(too geeky?)

Your memory (or Googling skillz) far exceed my own.

162 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:25:17pm

re: #38 allegro

Holy moly, he's paler than I am and I'm damn near translucent. Give that guy a spray tan.

Looks like he's been kept under a rock, yes. My husband's not that pale, and he's what a Finnish-American friend of mine likes to call "one of the blue people".

163 makeitstop  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:26:00pm

re: #149 Lidane

I really don't understand what the point of these ads is.

I mean, is there one?

164 erik_t  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:26:32pm

re: #149 Lidane

Sharron Angle is involved, I assume.

165 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:26:35pm

re: #158 talon_262

He's mad and wants to torture defenseless little animals.

Can you imagine being married to this pig?

166 Kragar  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:26:38pm

re: #149 Lidane

Beware... THE PECKENING!

167 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:26:43pm

re: #161 Madge

Your memory (or Googling skillz) far exceed my own.

My memory got most of it, but I have to admit I had to Google just to check my memory.

The new series used to be one of my favorites to watch growing up. One of the few series I know where the bad guy could very likely win at the end.

168 Sionainn  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:26:48pm

re: #163 makeitstop

I really don't understand what the point of these ads is.

I mean, is there one?

Yes, 64% of the American people are idiots. At least, that's what I got out of it.

169 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:27:41pm

re: #162 SanFranciscoZionist

Looks like he's been kept under a rock, yes. My husband's not that pale, and he's what a Finnish-American friend of mine likes to call "one of the blue people".

Which one !?!?!

Image: blue1.jpg

170 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:28:04pm

re: #167 Targetpractice

My memory got most of it, but I have to admit I had to Google just to check my memory.

The new series used to be one of my favorites to watch growing up. One of the few series I know where the bad guy could very likely win at the end.

I know! I was a little young for Twilight Zone. It was a bit beyond me. I never missed the Outer Limits. It was also cheesier and more cheaply done. I didn't appreciate that "camp value" until I got much older.

Gotta split... be back in a bit :)

171 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:28:31pm

Are black chickens ordinary for the US? I ask because I've no idea whether there might be a subtext here.

172 darthstar  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:28:31pm

Fox News has a mole...and apparently it concerns them enough to brag about finding him/her...only they didn't.

So Fox's PR team has been telling people that they have "found" me and are presently "exploring legal options." If Fox has smoked me out, it's news to me. I'm still here. Back to work.

173 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:29:03pm

re: #163 makeitstop

I really don't understand what the point of these ads is.

I mean, is there one?

...

Big government kills as if it were a death by 100 chicken pecks! Be afraid! Very afraid! The Democrats and Obama are killing Americans with 1 million chicken pecks 24/7!!!!!!!!

174 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:29:34pm

Cain's just trolling now. The first two ads were actually creepy - no comedy elements. This one is played for stupid laughs. I think I prefer the genuinely creepy ones.

175 erik_t  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:29:38pm

re: #171 Johnny Derp

Are black chickens ordinary for the US? I ask because I've no idea whether there might be a subtext here.

They're not uncommon enough to be noteworthy.

176 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:30:13pm

re: #50 Gus

James Edwards repeats his white supremacist beliefs:

“the occasional Viking raid into the mainstream media”

Once again, I must defend my Norse ancestors from the suggestion that they thought like these unpleasant people.

177 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:30:21pm

re: #175 erik_t

They're not uncommon enough to be noteworthy.

Thanks, just had to check.

178 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:31:02pm

re: #171 Johnny Derp

A black chickens normal for the US? I ask because I've no idea whether there might be a subtext here.

Common enough, in family barnyards, but this guy looks like he's priming for a blood sacrifice video.

179 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:31:24pm

re: #171 Johnny Derp

A black chickens normal for the US? I ask because I've no idea whether there might be a subtext here.

growing up, my grandmother had a full array of colors in the coop! (umm,, chickens, that is!!!)

180 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:31:32pm

re: #53 Lidane

Ever notice how none of these imbeciles ever fits the Aryan ideal? None of the Nazi leadership fit the ideal either. What a shock. =P

If you're six-three, blonde and blue eyed, with a craggy chin and chiseled features, fit et al, you can make a living in TV advertising, and don't need to talk about your pure Aryan blood to make yourself feel better.

I'm just saying!

181 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:31:37pm

re: #178 Decatur Deb

Common enough, in family barnyards, but this guy looks like he's priming for a blood sacrifice video.

Hitchcock he is not.

182 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:33:14pm

re: #172 darthstar

Fox News has a mole...and apparently it concerns them enough to brag about finding him/her...only they didn't.

I'm gonna have to go with Mediaite on this one, just because they haven't tarred and feathered him/her yet doesn't mean they haven't figured out who it is.

183 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:33:38pm

re: #181 Johnny Derp

Hitchcock he is not.

Next up--the Cat-a-pult vid.

184 Lidane  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:34:44pm

re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist

If you're six-three, blonde and blue eyed, with a craggy chin and chiseled features, fit et al, you can make a living in TV advertising, and don't need to talk about your pure Aryan blood to make yourself feel better.

I'm just saying!

Or you're living in a Brad Paisley song:

Haha.

185 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:35:32pm

Zimmerman's in custody and he's going to be charged with 2nd degree murder.

186 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:36:20pm

re: #89 Expand Your Ground

I think he must mean "classic rock" or "classic country". That is just the sort of thing that tends to keep non-white minorities at bay...

Problem is, after a few generations in the country, they're still non-white, but are starting to like classic rock and country...

187 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:36:33pm

Flight risk?

188 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:36:54pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

Zimmerman's in custody and he's going to be charged with 2nd degree murder.

Good. Seems like they have quite good evidence, otherwise manslaughter it would have been.

189 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:37:21pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

Zimmerman's in custody and he's going to be charged with 2nd degree murder.

That's more severe than I thought.

190 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:37:33pm

re: #120 Madge

Lidane, you have a stalker named @fluffytowels1 following you on The Twitter.

That would sound more ominous if the stalker were not called fluffytowels1.

191 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:37:38pm

They must have some serious evidence to go for 2nd degree murder. I expected manslaughter.

192 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:38:38pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

They must have some serious evidence to go for 2nd degree murder. I expected manslaughter.

GET OUTTA MY MIND!//

193 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:38:43pm

re: #188 Johnny Derp

Good. Seems like they have quite good evidence, otherwise manslaughter it would have been.

Yeah, it seems an indicator that they feel they have a strong case.

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:40:09pm

re: #171 Johnny Derp

Are black chickens ordinary for the US? I ask because I've no idea whether there might be a subtext here.

Most of the common breeds are white or brown or some combination, although there are black ones.

195 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:40:54pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

Zimmerman's in custody and he's going to be charged with 2nd degree murder.

Or, they're anticipating a plea deal where he ends up pleading guilty to a lesser charge. He gets off with probation, and it creates the illusion that investigators actually did something. Problem "solved".

196 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:41:30pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

Zimmerman's in custody and he's going to be charged with 2nd degree murder.

Shit. They must think they've got something if they're not going for manslaughter. Or do they think he's going to bargain down?

197 TedStriker  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:41:39pm

re: #181 Johnny Derp

Hitchcock he is not.

A cock, he is.

198 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:41:42pm

re: #194 SanFranciscoZionist

Most of the common breeds are white or brown or some combination, although there are black ones.

Just about the only kind of chicken whose personality I can stand is the Black Austalorp.

They're pretty chill.

199 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:42:27pm

re: #190 SanFranciscoZionist

That would sound more ominous if the stalker were not called fluffytowels1.

Towelie got busted.

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:43:00pm

re: #198 Obdicut

Just about the only kind of chicken whose personality I can stand is the Black Austalorp.

They're pretty chill.

There was a Lizard here once--may still be here, I can't recall who it was--who told tales of a rooster they had who had twice survived eagle attacks through sheer rooster badassery.

201 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:43:03pm

re: #195 Satanic Ritual Kazoo

Or, they're anticipating a plea deal where he ends up pleading guilty to a lesser charge. He gets off with probation, and it creates the illusion that investigators actually did something. Problem "solved".

Florida has a very strict set of mandatory sentences for crimes involving guns. Ironically, they were passed as anti-gangbanger 'get tough' legislation.

202 Kragar  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:43:13pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

They must have some serious evidence to go for 2nd degree murder. I expected manslaughter.

I thought 2nd degree murder was classified as manslaughter.

1st degree - Pre-planned deliberate killing
2nd degree (voluntary manslaughter) - taking action which you knew would lead to the death
3rd degree (involuntary manslaughter) - accidental death due to something the person did

203 Lidane  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:43:17pm

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist

Shit. They must think they've got something if they're not going for manslaughter. Or do they think he's going to bargain down?

I'd guess going for Murder 2 allows them to bargain down to manslaughter or negligent homicide or some other lesser charge.

Of course, I'm not a lawyer. I have no idea.

204 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:44:07pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

That's good to hear. Must have some compelling evidence to go after a murder 2 charge. The presser in 15 min ought to be interesting.

205 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:47:15pm

re: #202 Kragar

I thought 2nd degree murder was classified as manslaughter.

1st degree - Pre-planned deliberate killing
2nd degree (voluntary manslaughter) - taking action which you knew would lead to the death
3rd degree (involuntary manslaughter) - accidental death due to something the person did

No, manslaughter is not murder.

206 TedStriker  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:49:18pm

re: #188 Johnny Derp

Good. Seems like they have quite good evidence, otherwise manslaughter it would have been.

My Law & Order experience tells me that either the special prosecutor has enough evidence to go straight for 2nd degree murder without going for a plea bargain (seems kind of risky, not knowing what they know) or they're going for the max charge they can put in front of a jury and hope that they can either drag enough evidence/witnesses out to support the charge or to get Zimmerman to cop to murder 3 or manslaughter (much more likely).

207 TedStriker  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:51:08pm

re: #199 Learned Mother of Zion

Towelie got busted.

Towelie needs to go to rehab

/channeling South Park

208 Tigger2005  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:51:35pm

re: #176 SanFranciscoZionist

“the occasional Viking raid into the mainstream media”

Once again, I must defend my Norse ancestors from the suggestion that they thought like these unpleasant people.

The Vikings thought they were superior, not because of their sheer Nordic blonde good looks (although there is that) but because they simply kicked ass everywhere they went.

209 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:52:11pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

They must have some serious evidence to go for 2nd degree murder. I expected manslaughter.

That, a plea bargain strategy or, not sure about Florida law, perhaps a jury can find him guilty of a lesser offense if charged higher to begin with?

210 Kragar  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:52:45pm

re: #205 Johnny Derp

No, manslaughter is not murder.

OK

211 Tigger2005  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:53:49pm

re: #208 Tigger2005

The Vikings thought they were superior, not because of their sheer Nordic blonde good looks (although there is that) but because they simply kicked ass everywhere they went.

Plus their gods just totally rocked. One is even in The Avengers.

212 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:54:12pm

re: #208 Tigger2005

The Vikings thought they were superior, not because of their sheer Nordic blonde good looks (although there is that) but because they simply kicked ass everywhere they went.

Meanwhile, white supremacists, unable to kick ass, fall back on the idea that having some of the same genes as the Vikings makes them just as superior and cool.

It doesn't. As any Viking would tell you, happily.

213 Tigger2005  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 2:58:05pm

re: #208 Tigger2005

The Vikings thought they were superior, not because of their sheer Nordic blonde good looks (although there is that) but because they simply kicked ass everywhere they went.

And lets not forget they could drink any Saxon under the table and still raid all day. And if they got killed some sexy ladies on winged horses carted them off to Valhalla to drink and fight until Ragnarok.


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